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You're the only person I know that loves the Yellow Starburst. Lemonade. This is Sweet 305. Here, oversharing is encouraged. Listen to Sweet 305 with Lille Ponds on the I-Hart Radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Why are we even here? Hey man, y'all be blessed, man. Not my best moment with Kellen Halle. Because that's crazy. Take off the knock. Okay. Ain't no knocks in the room. They've been massaged out. This is my best moment. This is not my best moment podcast. If you don't know Kellen Halle and he is an actor, writer, producer, singer, digital creator, I first found out of him, found out about him from his Mac running cheese video. We both covered that video. He then quickly went to the Ellen Show. He's been on Broadway. He's had his own shows. I did your show on Fox. You're just good at everything. Well, thanks. To me, musical projects include for Christmas sakes, 2020 Christmas mirrors, just 20 memories, excuse me, in 2024. Broadway debut in Elf the Musical 2024 as a store manager, host of Amazon's Pick Your Prize and Fox's Reality check. And you have also appeared in an American pickle with love, a Black Lady sketch show, and meet me next Christmas. And you are going back to Broadway this summer. Maybe. Maybe. You can follow Kellen. He's very funny on social media. But let's dig in. Right. But usually you're not my best moments of podcasts, things that happened in the past career-wise. Right. But you actually wanted to speak more about your life. Right. Now, we were on set for the NAACP Image Awards podcast a few months ago. And right around that time, you had talked about being a queer man in the public eye, in the media, and the struggles that come with that. That was so interesting to me, to interesting to me. And we talked a little bit about that. Do you mind rehashing that really quickly? And then we can talk about everything else that you wanted to talk about. Okay. So, what I always try to explain to people when I'm trying to offer them clarity on that perspective, is I always try to say that being a black queer person is almost like a losing game. Okay. Because, and I say this in that video, because a lot of black people don't like you because you're gay. And a lot of white people don't like you because you're black. Right. So, there is nowhere you exist. And this is where I say, you know, "Dorand has really blown up recently." Yeah. And I've known Durand for a long time. And as I've been watching it, it's also made me very protective of yourself, of him, of him. Okay. And I reached out to him and I told him, I said, "I know that this feels great right now, and you are doing it." Mm-hmm. The momentum is pushing you. But I also notice how black the audience also is. And I told him, I said, "You have to remember." That yes, this is your people and they are your family and they are your fans and they're right in for you. But you also have to always remember that if you do something a little bit too gay, it could change. Really? Absolutely. Has it something you experienced or you just already know? No. Sometimes I've experienced. Okay. I mean, even like growing up in the church, you know, like, and I've talked about this, I'm like, I had a letter sent to my house when I was in the seventh grade on church letterhead telling me that if my mother didn't do something about me because they found out that I was gay, that they would do something to me. Did you church would do something to you? I don't know who it was, but that was on church letterhead. And you got to realize I was very involved in church. I would direct the choir. I sang in every choir. I was on the praise dance team. I was president of the children's choir. I went to state convention. I did the project 66 or whatever it's called when you knew all the books of the Bible, you know, like I was there. Yeah. Doing it with a Freedom School. What's Freedom School? You're going with Freedom School, man! Yeah, like the church thing. Kind of, but it's during the whole entire summer, it's more like a camp. Okay. But it is usually at churches. And you do like chants and like there's like, no, that was a terrible descriptor. No, not like Tina Turner. No, not like that. No, we had like these songs and things that we knew. It was reading, it was all about academics and curriculum and stuff like that. Got it. So that's what it was, but it was always rooted in church. But like, to be a seventh grader. How do you in seventh grade? Like 11? Probably, hell knows. But like, being a seventh grader and being afraid. That somebody is going to kill you? Yeah. That's insanity. That's insane. On the church, the letterhead is crazy. Well, think of, even if we go back to Durran. Mm-hmm. Durran has been this, been this, his whole entire life. For sure. The only reason y'all showing up is because of the Grammy. It turned on. He's been this way. He's been this way. The Grammy line. He's been this excellent. Absolutely. Absolutely. And a lot of y'all are only on the train. Because you see it rising, you want to get on. For sure. You want to get on. You know what I mean? Yeah. And because I know I've experienced what that's like. 1000. Ellen show was like your Grammy. Oh, he was insane. For sure. I was jealous of you. Really? No. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. I did have a question. Because I did, because you brought up the Mac and cheese. And I wanted to, I was really interested to know if during that time. Because I always felt like people put us against each other. 1000%. But see, the thing for me, why was never like that to me is I just covered so many things. That was just my video for the day. And I, I'm a credit-workreddit to do. When I saw yours, it was after I posted mine and I said, oh, he did this way better than me. And people started sending me more food videos and I was like, hey, man, I'm not the food guy. Like, I don't want to, I never want to be one thing. But when you got to Ellen, it wasn't like, I was jealous. I was just like, yo, you can really, one thing can change your life. And you did like, but the thing that people don't understand. You also have to have that ability consistently. Right? Because you just get one viral video. Ellen, no talent. They ain't gonna give you that job because you did the one thing. And even if they did, you're not gonna be there for years. Right. So yo, yo talent opened the door for you, but your professionalism, your work ethic, plus your talent is what kept you there for four years. So for me, it was just like, that's super dope. For me, it's like the same thing with Druski getting the BT award. It's not a jealous bone in my body. That's like, oh, this door is open for all creators. That door was not open for people like me yet. At least at this stage. Yeah. So it was just dope to see. I love that. Like, cause you, and you, you also kept your own digital stuff going and you had your own style. Yeah. That's, there's room for us. There's plenty of food. And I got to do my little food network video. I got to go to food network. Yeah, you went there for me. Yeah, that was happy. But then I moved on with my life. I mean, you know what's so funny is that I think a big misconception about me. I am not chronically online. Really? I don't know. Nothing about nothing. So you really just happen to see that? Yeah. I really just like, I go in there. I'll put it in. post and I'm off it. 'Cause you really went to school. What was it, you're a kid? - Yeah, I was still, that was my senior year. You were in school at that time. - Yes. - But I mean, after that, you recently just was like, I'm going to get another degree. - Yes, but also like I'm a CEO of my own company. - For sure. - Like I'm over here, I got hosting jobs. I'm on this plane, like I'm all like, it's a team of one over here. (laughs) You know what I mean? And even when it comes to my managers and my agents, or my public says anybody is so funny, I just had a man tell me this yesterday. He said, you know, I expected that somewhat you would be some sort of a boss. He said, but I didn't think that it just never turned off. - Yeah. - That you were just a boss. - You have to. - From the moment you wake up to the moment you go, I said, I have to be. - And our business, the benefit is you can work anywhere. The detriment is you have to work everywhere. - You have to. - You can't, I would love. People like you should turn off your vacation cab. I honestly would love to. - Yes. - But if this thing needs notes and there's a fire, they call me like, have I know I'm so sorry. - Right. - But they can't make that decision. - Right. - So I have to. - Right. - So I might be in Bali or my bedroom. - Well. - But I got to, I got to. 'Cause ain't nobody else gonna do it. - But see, that's the thing. - Yeah. - A lot of people wanna do this for the glory. - Right. - They just want the fame. - Yeah. - They just wanna go to the premiere. I hate the premiere. - Boy, when I tell you. - Now, early in the career, I love that shit. - Oh, I love that shit. - Oh, please, I felt like I was really doing something. - I'll never forget the first premiere I went to with Incredibles 2. And they put me in Disney style and you couldn't tell me that I wasn't hot shit. I went in a red trench, cinched waist. I gave it in a mold, black glass of little beret. Oh, I was eating it up. I was eating it up. I was so happy. - For sure. - Now, I thought, can you just send me the screener? - Hey, man. I don't want to go. And it happened quick for me. I was like getting images, new clothes. I'd be like, don't know, continue. - With grace. - I can't do it. - Right. - And I don't even, a lot of times, I don't, I used to only say no if I had something else to do. - Right. - Now, if I'm out, it's hard. - Well, people don't also understand, 'cause you, I don't know how you do it, you know? Because somebody, the other day, was just like, you haven't been relevant in a while. You're a dee-less celebrity. And I was like, yes. And I was like, I was like, well, that's fucking crazy anyway, 'cause bitch, I'm working, okay? I'm paid, okay? Let's be, now I'm gonna down. You think I give a shit if TMZ following me at the airport? What the hell? My house got five floors, but please, okay? And I'm 30 years old bitch. Oh, I ate this shit, okay? Let's be clear, I started, and when I was 21, I don't give a damn. But, you better let 'em know, okay? - Are you crazy? - I don't know. I would be bonkers to be sitting in my house where I can't believe I'm not an a-list celebrity. Oh, I can't believe that the proper ass isn't outside my door. Fuck that. Let me tell you, this is the same thing I told Beyonce. - I see that. - That's also crazy that you can even say that. - Mind you, he said, you should do me a week after that, so bitch, have you seen my pee and post? Have you seen my pee and post? Okay? Tell me what you told Beyonce. - I said to her, I said, her thing I said. First of all, she started the conversation. It wasn't me first. And she said to me, she was like, I really appreciate the things that you say and the things that you talk about when it comes to her artistry. Because I try to always be fair. - Right. - When it comes to her, like I'm not a kiss ass, like if I don't like something, or if I'm, or I question something, I always, I position it as that. It's just a wondering of why that choice was made, rather than like that was stupid or something like that. And she said, it really helps me feel seen. - Beyonce told you that. - Yes. Just out of nose, Carter. - I said, oh my God. - Who could tell you anything now? Who could even, I shouldn't even be looking in your eyes. I'm gonna go really. - I'm gonna go down to the left. - Because Beyonce started a conversation with you of a stuff you said and respected. And you may be, I say, feel seen. Not my best moment with Kellen Hall. - Because that's crazy. - Honey, take off the knot. (laughing) Okay, ain't no knots in the room. Welcome to my best moment. - No podcast with Kurt Bohnstay. - Get that knot off my screen. - Get it off. - My best moment, see you. - Get it out of here. - I'm talking about success. - Okay, that's crazy. - That's why when you asked me to do, I said, honey, I ain't got no knot in my best moment. (laughing) I don't regret shit. Everything that has happened in my career or in my life, half before, Reese. - Yeah. - That was a reason that there was something I needed to learn to get through to get me to the next spot. - I love that. - I wouldn't go back and change one damn thing. Even my low, even that ladder, I wouldn't change it. Tell me what the, how did, why wouldn't you change the letter? You know. - Did it prepare you, did it? - You know, people, when I really tell them the story and the nitty gritty of what it was like for me growing up, people are often shocked and I didn't really realize I was working on a project and I needed to like use some inspiration from my childhood and I would just go into this pouring out with the woman I was working with and I would just tell the story. And I remember one day I looked up and I saw the look on her face. - Yeah. - And I said to myself, I said, "Oh, this is a normal." - No, Caitlin, that is, and I've known a lot of crazy things to happen in church in my lifetime. And I'm talking about, would never repeat in public. I have never heard of that on church a letterhead. That is as official as it can be. That is a condemnation from that you don't, everybody don't have access to that. So whoever did that, they had the approval. That's a meeting. That's not a, somebody ran in there and stole a letterhead. We got to tell him, tell his mom about him. After they don't use your gifts, which is one of my big problems. The church, and I said this and I don't want to trend again, but if I got to, I got to. Somebody got mad at me and they said, "How dare you affirm their lifestyle?" - So the church affirms the lifestyle all the time. You use them gifts. How much more affirming can I be to let you on this pulpit? And seeing and right and arranged. You affirm the lifestyle. - All the time. - I mean, 'cause have y'all looked at your choir, direct? Come on, when you said it, I'm not saying it all day. I'm not saying ever single one. - No, but there's a few. Now you look the other way, you still affirm it. It's like if you take drug money, but you don't sell the drugs, you still approve of it if you use the money. - Correct. - It's to me, it's the same. So if you don't like it and you really don't like it, but that to me is incongruent. - Well, it's conditional, it's picky choosy. - It is. - It's picky choosy. And it's a lot easier for you to just throw stones at people. - It's picky to me. - Yes, absolutely. - I need to put somebody down. - Yes, I'm not gonna be better. The only way I can feel better is to lower somebody up. So I can stay the same, but now I feel better. - That's about control too. - Yeah, you could say that more. - Yeah, it's about controls, about letting you know your place. Church often feels like a government. - Yeah. - It feels like I'm here and I'ma tell you who to be. I'ma tell you how to live. - Yes. - Because you think that I have been told by this person that created you, you have to believe me. You have to trust me. You're going to lean on me. But a pastor is not a dictator. - Right. - A pastor is not your father. - Or your mother. - A pastor's a teacher and a leader. - An advisor and a advisor. - Wanna take a quick break from the show and hear from our sponsor. - Run a business and not thinking about podcasting? Think again. More Americans listen to podcasts than add supported streaming music from Spotify and Pandora. And as the number one podcaster, IHeart's twice as large as the next two combined. So whatever your customers listen to, they'll hear your message. Plus only IHeart can extend your message to audiences across broadcast radio. Think podcasting can help your business. 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This was during the housing, around the housing crisis time. Me and Melissa had to learn every loan, study these loans. We sold these loans. We went to training because we sold houses. We sold loans where we go to buy houses with. We go to our house. We know this loan process. There's an ACORN loan at the time, which was 0% down. You could do no down payment, no PMI. And it was a fixed interest rate. We were like, this is fantastic. This deal doesn't exist. You go out to teach me this because I didn't understand. Shit, you just see it. Usually if you buy a house, you got to put 20% down. If you don't have 20% down, you have to pay. It's called PMI. Basically property, I don't know the piece, it's mortgage insurance. So in case you default on my house, the 20% that you should have, you're paying for two loans. And at the same time, there was an adjustable rate mortgage time period at that time. So for five years, your interest rate might be 2%. But in the sixth year, it could balloon up to whatever. That was a big reason of the housing crisis. If your interest rate drops from 2% to 6%, your payment jumps. People can't afford their mortgage, go up $100. Much less from $1,000 to $6,000. Got it. So me and Melissa were like, oh, this is great. This is the only way we're going to get into our house. Do all the research, get the loan. And Melissa's mom was like, did you talk to Pastor about and get his approval? I was like, approval. He's not a banker. He's a very smart man. But this is my job. Like, I know what I'm, I don't need his, I didn't talk to my parents. Yeah. But she was like, well, you know you just got to get the man of God's blessing. Yeah, man with love. Yeah. If he's not giving me 20% down, right, I'm not running over to him. He can't approve me for this. I don't care what he says. In fact, I just had to pay him last week. I need to be going there, ask him, can I get that back so I can help pay for this house. If you want me to talk to him about that, we can conversate, right? Right. So anyway, I totally agree with you. But I wanted you to finish how you, you don't even regret that. What did that, that letter do for you? How did it prepare you to be who you are? How is it a part of who you are? So I realized that once I realized that it wasn't normal, I said, somebody else wouldn't have survived that. Oh, for sure. So then I had to think back to who I was as a kid. The greatest gift God could have given me was me being me. There are times when I think back to that child and I think about how lonely he was and how scared he was and how he felt so alone. But yet he didn't see that as pity. He saw it as motivation and he fought and he said, I'm getting out of here. And I'm never coming back and I'm going to do the unimaginable because you've threatened my ability to dream. You try to take all I understood that my light was my magic. I knew that what you were saying to me is wrong. You are dead wrong. In fact, you are jealous of the light that I have and the joy that I have and the way that I look at the world and the way that I look up at the sun and I let it beam on me. You don't like my laugh. My laugh reminds you of the joy that you didn't have. You're jealous of me and I understood that as a child. And I said within, I'm not going to build a community with you. And that was the first time that I learned that I couldn't trust people to love me unconditionally. Wow. That there was always going to be a condition. And has that proven to be true even after that? Absolutely. Absolutely. Through work or personal or I think a little bit of both. You know, like for instance, there's been so many times that and this happens to black queer people all the time, especially that are in the limelight. It doesn't matter how good you are. It doesn't matter what you've accomplished. There's always going to be somebody in the comments calling you gay, calling you a sissy tearing you down. They won't give you the credit. That's why I'm like, y'all not get y'all didn't give Durand a credit because he was queer. But now they has an award and the credit's been given in the credit's been given and everybody else is saying, yes, yes, yes. And do I believe there are some people that are like, yes, we love to write. Yeah, because I've seen you before the Grammy. I was there before the Grammy. I've seen you. But I also recognize, especially when you ain't have or had no other queer people on your shows, when you ain't had nobody else, especially black queer people, you talked about the NWACP image awards. I wasn't invited to anything or the show. What? Never. I've never been invited to the BET awards. None of that. But I've gone to the VMAs. I've entered the Billboard awards. And it's not a case of just being like, and that has nothing to do with wanting to be in an awards show. No. Yeah, I feel you. It has to do with, if black people supposed to be my people, why can't I be in the room too? Yeah. Am I, I didn't do enough? I didn't accomplish enough? I'm not good enough? That's what it feels like. And I think I had to realize, it just wasn't ever going to get the credit. How do you settle with that? I took some time to really face my own demons and to heal myself. And when I realized that I had built a lot of who I am, and my success had been built to prove other people wrong, and to win, I said I had to go back to before all that happened. Before the first thing happened to where my success was driven on vengeance. And I said, why did I want to do this in the first place? Would it entertainment mean to me as a kid? And I said it was always because it served the people. I said the reason why I survived all that was because of entertainment, because I was watching Hercules. And I was watching this little boy, and I always talk about Hercules, it's one of my favorites. I said, do you realize how stupid you have to be? Do you have this person who has infinite strength? And instead of looking at him as a real man? resource or to tell him how that's incredible. We just need to learn how to manage it. You bully him. You tear him apart. Not knowing that that was a dammy God. Not knowing that he was your connection to a higher place. Wow. To to a joy. To a light. You can see that. And I said, entertainment used to serve the people. It used to make people believe, be inspired. To get I think we've gotten to a place where everybody's gotten to a place where it's comfortable enough. That there's no drive anymore. Yeah. There's no fight. There's no reason like like with the word the world is is happening right now. Entertainment is supposed to be telling those stories. Yeah. It's supposed to be healing the world is supposed to be giving people hope. I mean, I even thought I'd say that when it comes to music. I'm like, we had Whitney Houston MRI, Kari singing, "When You Believe." There can be miracles when you believe. And now we got booty hole brand. They're gonna be mad at that one. But it's the truth. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, let me be clear. Let me be clear. I love a good little wretched. I love a glory. I love it. I love it. I like it. But my problem is I just feel like there's no balance. There's always gonna be booty hole brand. Yes. Just also got we need when you believe. Yes. booty hole brand gonna be there. Yes. When you believe where is it? Where is it? Where I'm doing that job. Right. And that's fine. We need booty hole brand. Yes. Every now and then. Where's when you believe. Exactly. When the trade come over, I turn on the booty hole brand. Because I know that's what they like to listen to. I know that's like I'm music. Listen, you need the whole gamut. Yes. To have it over here. Yeah. That's what we miss it. God, I want to be inspired again. Yeah. I want to feel again. Yeah. I want to watch movies and I want to listen to songs that you should make me cry. Yeah. Pipsy always make fun in my iPod. They used to be like, oh, you got a heartbreak. I like, oh, this songs are real. Yeah. They're yearning for something. You know, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. But there's no balance. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to run out of time. I want to talk about two things. Oh, I don't even know. Yeah. We've been talking. We ain't even do the intro good. But that's all right. I got two things I wanted for sure talking about. Okay. You said much of your life has become a performance. What does that mean and how have you addressed that? Okay. So being a queer kid, growing up, what I realized is that people left me alone if I could entertain them. Oh, if I could make them laugh, if I would, they would live because I saw how they saw that as almost like a court jester. Mm-hmm. But the queer kids that didn't have that or were a little softer and a little quieter, they treated them differently. Got it. I saw that. So your performance became like a defense mechanism? Absolutely. Absolutely. It was my armor. Oh, wow. Armor gets heavy. I mean, listen, you have a majority black audience, right? I have a majority white audience, right? It's still diverse, but majority white men is mainly because of daytime TV. For sure. And I think a little bit of why my success has struggled so much is because of that. And while I do appreciate the audience, there are big chunk of them, though, that only want me to entertain them. They're not concerned with you as you. Exactly. They just want me to make them laugh and when I'm not making them laugh, no value. There's no value. It's like a sad clown. Yeah. What do I do with a sad clown? Exactly. Yeah. And I think that's why I started to change the content. Mm-hmm. And I started to do more journalistic work, like going to Corp on CBS and stuff like that. That was before they was bought by the BB. Yeah. It was crazy. But anyway. But I started, like, I was going to the White House, right? Like doing stuff like that because I also remember that before I had ever, because the food videos were an accident. Ain't that something? It was an accident going back to God always tells me that was another time. Yeah. Something in my spirit, sit, make a video. And I just press record in very first one with viral. I remember thinking I hadn't seen this person before. Yeah, because it didn't exist. Because I'd be all in black creators. Nope. I didn't exist. Wow. Until that day. That's insane. Immediately. To the stop. Because that really always been who you were. Correct. You know. It was always who I was. You was just now for the world to see. For sure. But see, that version of me was different. I felt by the, I think when I got to Ellen, it started to change because of the rules and the regulations around it. Okay. You know, so you feel like that video was the purest you absolutely before it was a job. Right. Before people wanted it. That was just for fun. You just create out of your purest. I was just having fun. Yeah. But then once it became a job, it felt like, oh, it's got to be stood in. I got anxious about it. Because it felt like I had to write jokes. Right. Because sometimes I'd be like, this is not funny. I'm like, there's nothing to talk about here. But people, I got like, they wanted it so bad. You know. And I'm like, yeah, I get it. But like, also, I was a whole other person before this. And I was also like, I was a hardcore, serious actor. And that's why I sound wasn't chronically online. Like I was one of them people have been like, YouTube is stupid. That's insane. I was like, digital. That is stupid. That is not real art. That is silly. Really? That is who I was. I was a thespian. I was like, I'm going to Julia. I'm going to become an actor. I'm going to win an Oscar. That was what I thought my life was going to be. So funny. And you got your foot in the door off of some offhand video you made in your door. And it happened. And I said, all right. Well, let's figure it out. Right. And I think that's how the performance was made for sure. And you also got rewarded immediately, which would tell you, oh, this is rewarding. Oh my gosh. And there I can't. I can't watch old videos of massive. Even during that time, I couldn't watch it. Why? Because it felt like a character to me. Wow. It felt like a caricature. A caricature? Yeah. So like when people would be online or they'd be like, they'd be like, oh, he a cool. That's something I'd be like, well, yeah. You didn't disagree. I didn't disagree. And I think it haunted me. Oh my god. I feel like this is silly. This feels silly. Yeah. And especially with what you really want to do. Yes. Like you really want to be an actor on Broadway. Yes. But spectrum wise, this is on the opposite end. But it's paying the bills. And that's where it gets tough. It's paying the bills. That's why I always caution people don't let go. Go ahead. Tell me. Tell me. Yeah, get there. Because the part that is you have to understand about this. That show gave me my freedom. In addition, everything else. It gave me my emancipation. From what? Well, me and my mother didn't have the best relationship either because of me being gay. I wanted to get out. I'd never done on me to ask how she thought about what she thought about the letter. I wanted to get out. I assume your mom was like, oh, we gone. No. She didn't do that with the letter. No. Oh, it's K-Land. No. No. And so that's why I say it was survival. So you may look at it and you may have your opinions about how I handled it or how I did it. But I needed to survive. For sure. It's like you can't get me out somebody still in bread when they have nothing to eat. That's why I was never about the thing. It was never about the popularity. It wouldn't even probably about the vengeance. It's survival. It was about getting to a point where I never needed to depend on anybody. Getting to a point where I could be who I wanted to be and not have to ask people for permission or to like me or to give me approval. It gave me my freedom. So of course, I'm going to do whatever I got to do to hang on to it because I said I can never go back there. This is heavy. It is. It's heavy. It is. This is the heaviest episode we've done. And it's interesting because you're right. Like you are. I've always seen you as a light and like when you when I heard you, your heels clicking down the hallway, I said, okay, right here. Could have been anybody walk. Yes, but you walk with a sense of confidence and purpose. Have to because I've heard you coming down the hallways when we've been on set before. Before you speak, I said, if I know you on the call, that came in the only way. Well, I had to. Yeah. Because I was the queer feminine boy. That's in his weakness. You're a Cicci. Your weak. So I have to always assert myself. I have to be strong. I have to let you know, don't fuck with me. Right. We can keep key. We can laugh. We can have joy. But no, if you try to play me, they're saying what you want. I did not notice about you. I just thought you walked in confidently. No. So that confidence was built. Absolutely. Oh, I was the nerdiest kid. Oh, I was annoying. God, this time I watch home videos. I'm going to shut up. Shut up. I was a whole different person. Yeah. This person, I was hoping like even this. You think I look like this at home? Do you think I look like this at home? I'd be in the house with a do-rag in a row. Basketball shorts tank top. Like playing PS5. Like I am so relaxed. Would do I play? Yeah. That's going to be embarrassing. It's called Disney Dream Light Valley. I know what that is. You do. I do. We just did it. We did it. It's like Sims. It's like Sims. But Disney characters. But you really just be doing they fucking chores. And that be pissing me off. I mean, I'm trying to do it y'all. Get your help. Damn goofy shit. I only learned about this because of say space season two. Oh, it's a Disney game. The guy plays it. He was explaining how it works. He's like, when you tell the garden and stuff, you got to do steam. He said the same thing about you. He's like, no, part of it is I feel like I'm just at work for these people. Like, I don't want to tell them. Y'all got to do your own stuff. That's why it's so funny. But you said that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But yeah, that's a confidence that I have to have especially around straight black men. That's what I wanted to get to. Hey guys, taking a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. 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This is his own thing. Yes, yes, yes, yes. heterosexual men and straight men. Correct. But I want to hear your. I want you to hear more about what you mean by that. There's a lot of straight men in the barbershop. I remember being a kid. Wow. I would go weeks without a haircut just because I didn't want to go. Because as a kid, I would listen to these grown men talk about me. Specifically about you. Yes. Oh, wow. This is thing. I've always been like this. You are walked into those hypermasculine spaces and they would call me a faggot. In the barbershop? Yes. Well, call me a sissy or see the way that I was walking when you were a child. When I was a child. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry you went through that, Caitlin. As a child. That is terrible. And I think because of that, men straight men just never felt safe for me. Because I'm like, you can talk like a child. In front of them? Yeah. God, what would you do to me as an adult? Right. Absolutely. What would you do? Like Jesus. You know? And I think that's also the hard part about being queer is like you always feel like there's a target on your back. I even get scared when pride happens. Pride? Like, yeah, because I'm always scared there's going to be some mass shooting. Oh snap. Or there's going to be some attack like the Orlando. Yes. Yes. Yes. It always is scary. You kind of just live in fear. And when you don't feel like you have somewhere that you can run to, like for instance, like my dad be daddy that I talked to with up to years. My two-have brother still got a relationship. Wow. I don't know. Whatever. They don't kill me for that. But anyway, like one of them, one of them really close with was like, yeah, um dad said this than the other about me being gay. I said, I'm like fucking nerve do you have? I ain't seeing you in umpteenth years. And you're one thing about me as me being gay. After I'm already who I am. But you was a dad be three times. Lord. Crazy to me. Crazy to me. Crazy to me. But that's my problem. Yeah. Even when I came out, one of my biggest critiques specifically to my mother when she, you know, she had things to say. I said I could have been a drug dealer, a murderer. I could be in prison like a lot of people that we know. Yeah. And a lot of people that's listening, I was a straight a student on a roll. I went to college on a full ride scholarship. You already know that I was president of my NAACP youth council. I had to be. I was a stellar child. Yeah. That felt like the biggest betrayal of my life. Really? I said I had done everything to be right. Everything to be proud of. To be this. Yeah. And this one thing about me is what's going to make you turn against me. And I saw that with everybody. Mm-hmm. Mm. Interesting. So I see a common theme I see with queer people is, even in the show polls, like, - Oh, love posts. - I'd never saw, like, if your family disowned you, right, kicks you out, it's human nature to still want to be around people, right, other humans. So queer people often have to find their own community and that often doesn't include their birth family. - No. - And they, you know, that family that they find becomes their actual family, becomes that safe space 'cause it seems like your parents, your church community, the people who are supposed to protect you didn't. So it only makes sense that you, I would have been the same way. I don't need any of you. I will prove to you that you made a mistake and when you need me, you will never hear from me again. - But that's an adult. - Yeah, yeah. - It doesn't age well. - Okay. - Save more. - And that was a lot of the healing that I had to do 'cause I realized that I felt so guarded, that I become so afraid of people and I had let the fight and the pain really take over my life to where I wasn't leaving the house. - Wow. - I wasn't living anymore. I had shut myself in and said, I don't need anybody ever. And I felt like I was pouring into people that only took for me. And I actually showing up for the people that were showing up for me. And we really changed in me for that was when I did Broadway. None of my family came to see me on Broadway. - What? - My mother came. My mother came. - Yeah. - And nobody else came. - I mean, I understand, but it's just like, Broadway is such a huge-- - Do you understand? - No, I understand that nobody came. - Yes. - That I understand. - Yes. - But it's hard to believe because it's such a huge accomplishment that so few people ever get to say that they've done. So it's like, I can imagine you want to be proud of me. When I guess hosted the Ellen DeGeneres Show, when I walked off the stage, the only person in my dressing room was me. - Lord. - So it's funny, 'cause some of the best years of my life were also some of the loneliest, to where I was on top of the world, doing the unthinkable things. We shot at episode of "Om Kalen, Australia." I hosted that field, Britney Spears, residency announcement in Vegas. Like I was doing incredible stuff. And every day I came home to me. - Wow. - How did you reconcile that? I think it felt like the price I had to pay. - To pay for what? - For the success. The loneliness was the price you had to pay. - Because it allowed you to be, your success was being who you were? - Yeah. It felt like if who I was wasn't enough for people to love me, and to care about me, but I like being me. - Yeah. - And you weren't gonna shut yourself down for approval. - Listen to me, one thing you ain't got to worry about me when it comes to somebody to love in themselves. - Right. - I love every piece of me. And I said, "But if I got at the cost of pay for that, I'll pay it." And the thing is, Canon, like, I'm not God, all-sing or knowing. But to me, you being who you are is what got you, everything you've got. Like Ellen is queer as well. She probably was like, that person is perfect. - Whew. - But can't have listened. - Go ahead. - This is the thing. And this is why the church was never able to make me believe that God didn't love me. Because when I look back of what I survived, there's no way God wasn't with me. There is just no way. Everything that I am, everything that I have built. There are times when I walk around my house and I look around and I say, "God, how do we do this?" That's the only person that has cared for me unconditionally. That is the only person that has held me when I needed to be held. The person that has told me when it was time for me to go, when it was time for me to leave, when it was time for me to move, to do something different to make it, because they're going back. The more the week I moved back to LA, the job started flooding in. And I realized I had to come back to LA because I had to answer questions about myself. I needed to face who I had become. I had lost myself. - Yeah. - And then, now we're here and God has said, you did the work. You can go back to where you felt alive, where you had community, where you had found people in old city that takes care of you. - Mm-hmm. - You've done enough fighting. You've done enough running. You've done enough surviving. You've done enough performing. It's time to live. - Wow. And I said, "Okay." And I said, "Let's go." That really hit me. Obviously, you know, I was getting dragged for saying, "Lie with love with the LGBT." And one thing you said was something I had told my wife. You said, "Kevin's getting this just for being an ally "being a support." I imagine if you actually had to live this. And I was telling, I was like, this is exactly what I was saying. I am merely associated. At most, I caught a straight. I have never caught a direct line of fire. You know what I'm saying? And what you just said, because you, the way people in the church often treat LGBT, and I'm talking about what I've seen, not in theory. I like to only speak from my experience. It has made a lot of queer people feel like God doesn't. How could God love me? How? If his people treat me this way and their reflection of him, and a lot of people have been driven away from God and the church community because of how they felt, how they've been treated. - Let me tell you how psychological it is. Like I told you, I sang in the choir, you know, growing up. But like, I can sing, but I can't sing. Like, I can't do the riffs and the runs and all that stuff like that. But because of the way that it had been conditioned into me, I believed that I lacked talent because I was gay and God was punishing me. - Wow. - That's the way I used to see it. That's the way I used to think about it. And not just accepting that everybody's talents are different. And their limitations to certain things, and just because you can sing, don't mean you should be a singer. - We're gonna be singing. - Like, yeah, I can sing, but do I really want to, like, yeah, I've done two Christmas albums, but that didn't do that because I wanted to be a music artist. I did that because I wanted to do Broadway, and I knew because of the food videos, they was always going to doubt me. So I didn't have something to be able to be like, "Well, I've done this," or to show it, you know what I mean? Like, it's always strategic. But it's like, that's tough. - For sure. - It's tough. - Yeah. - And you're always trying to, I guess, self-produce yourself. - Yeah, yeah. - In the moment. And it is hard because you're trying to figure out what parts of your doubts are real, or what parts of your doubts are because you're gay and you're being punished by God. - Wow. - Like, that's the way it becomes indoctrined into your mind. - And when you talk about God's love for you, it felt so palpable. And that's why I was moved to tears. It's like, I don't want to make this about me, but I can't be a person, I'm gonna make it a little bit about me. I can't be a person that is a wedge, like I can't do that. Because the life is hard enough. Like I don't even know how I would make it in this world if I didn't have faith in God. And if I didn't feel like God was orchestrating me or helping me, or if I didn't have God to pray for, or believe he was, like, I don't want to be a reason that people feel like, well, I can't have God either. 'Cause then what do you have? - 'Cause I can feel it in my bones, that God is with you. I can feel it, it will shaken me. - Yeah. - It will give me chills. And there's always like, there's always songs, like a specific gospel song that will appear. - Mm-hmm. - And it will play over and right now for me is the blessing of Abraham. - Donald Lawrence? - Yes. - Yeah, yeah. - That part when I get your inheritance. - Yeah, for sure. - God made you the head, not the head. - He keep you going. - Exactly. He will have a few of those. I'm like, do you hear this message and that's how I had to remember who I was and what I was capable of because also with the industry falling apart and all over the place. Oh God. All over the place. It is easy to be like, oh, I don't wanna do this. And you got a piece of the good. Woo! I was in it when it was thriving. You got a piece of the weeping chasing. Oh, it was thriving. Regular net, I mean, not net work. I still get residuals. It'd be $44, but hell is something. She, okay. I'd be, thank you very much. I'm gonna go buy me a little smoothie from Erwan, two of 'em. 'Cause it's $44. That's all you can get is to smoothie. Next time I got ya. Oh yes. Oh yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But you also like in that short 10 years, like look how much the industry's changed in that short time period. Any crazy. There's not a show of that magnitude on daytime TV. And I mean, like the behemoth that it was. Like that was the last of its kind, really. And podcasts didn't even really play a factor at that time. I mean, they were around, but it was like the archaic versions of it, you know what I mean? Well, that's why I think because we have gotten to a place of where popularity is the current. Yeah, yeah. That's why I'm like working for me here's no more. 'Cause I want me to work for me here and I'll say, well you can only play games. You can't ask any real questions or actually move the needle like that, what? Yeah. Yeah. What? I don't wanna do a thing in. Right. You know, like, and I think I've really aged out. Even being 30. Like we saw each other at an event. And I was like, what the hell are you doing here? What the fuck are you here? 'Cause I was looking around like, what the hell am I here? What is this? Which now I was like, where we were at the actual thing? Yeah. Love. Yeah. Think it's great. Yeah. When I looked around the room, I realized I was like, oh, I've gotten old. At 30? You weren't even 30 then. I said, this is different. Oh yeah. These are kids. These are children. I said, they probably don't even know who die and keepin' walls when she die. Right. There are times people come up to me and they be like, oh my gosh, I loved you in high school and I'm like, I look in the mirror and I'm like, (laughing) What is happening? I've got no, dude. (laughing) How long before AARP? How long before the nursing home? Oh my God. Oh my God, what do you mean? That high school. That's crazy. I have people who say, I watched you since I was in third grade, sixth grade. What were you even doing? I watched it. But like, the time that we've been doing this. Yeah. Because you talked about me, like, you was also in it. For sure. You were so in it. But in a different way, but yeah. Yes. But yes, this has changed. For sure, so much. When you were on Ellen Show, a podcast or even on video, there was some, but very, very few. Now, today Netflix just announced that the Breakfast Club will be airing live on Netflix. Live? Live. That's a dangerous show to make a live. Hey. Ooh. Live. And the funny thing is, 13 years ago when I moved here, Netflix wasn't even Netflix like it is now. It was orange as a new black, house of cards, and the catalog of old shows. Now, I don't believe that podcast are the new talk shows. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. I think they're just a new medium to be with them. It ain't nothing like a conversation. For sure. That's it. They're just more available in a world where we crave availability. Correct. Well, when I think of a talk show, a talk show is giving voice to the people. Like a Ricky Lake. I'm very close friends with Ricky Lake. Like, really? Yeah, we did podcasts together. Oh, Larry. They're called "Rays by Ricky." Full circle. We will rewatch, listen, that's also how I know I'm meant to be a talk show host. Because I've specifically, this is God. I've specifically been paired or been in close proximity to talk show host's iconic ones. Ricky Lake, iconic. Ricky, Oprah, Ellen. Like, come on. And you told me, and Jerry. She ain't talk show host though. No, I'm just saying that just counts. Yeah, true. But I will say, my work ethic is definitely designed off of hers. For sure. I know, buddy. That's why I don't like when they try to put the lumenati on her. Because it really discounts how hard you work. I think what you're saying is I'm lazy. Which is offensive. They never give a credit. For the work. You know how hard? I know how hard I work. I know how hard you work. You see how hard she works. Don't discredit my work ethic by saying I'm also-- I also want to say this about her. Say it, Kaelin. Probably the most human interaction I have probably had with any celebrity. What would Beyonce? The way she talked to me, the way she looked at me, I was like-- I was always a Beyonce fan, always a fanatic. Like, little in high school. That's how you know how gay I was. In high school. But also how much that bitch I was, too. In high school, I used to do a 13-minute mix of Beyonce with background dancers and everything. For a thing that I created. Call the poor, to be fair. OK? OK. It was already existed, but then I came in and became a new executive director, really. Like, we used to sell out. Yeah. OK? The theater was packed. Yes. And I had always dreamed of being able to meet her. But I always saw it as I can meet and greet. Yeah, yeah. It was just like, oh my gosh, so good to meet you. Take a picture, keep it pushing. I sat there and listened to that woman. I said, oh my god. She knows who I am. For sure. For 13. You can't say that if you don't. Exactly. And you can't say a lot of times, let's be like, OK, this is killing Alan. He's known for the-- Alan. Like the quick-- Oh my god, I like your video. But to be credit-- and I will say this, every year, I have always sent her a gift. What? How? I've sent her cowboy boots for a cowboy carter. But even you really move indifferent. But you say it so casually. But I need you to-- let's take a 20. What you're talking about, most people are-- that's not normal to be able to do that. And it be received. You can accept that. Yes. OK. Because you said it like, oh yeah, I'm about to go check it out. But I also think that was another-- and that's why I had the conversation with her when I was like, I know what you gave up to be this. Oh yeah, I never said that part. Yeah, after she said what she said to me, the first thing I said to her was, I know what you gave up to be this. Wow. And if at any point you want to rest, you can. Wow. And it kind of caught her off guard. For sure. It kind of caught her off guard. But I've always looked at the human in her. Yeah. She's just a person. She's just a person. We're all just guys. We're all just artists. Yeah. So we're sensitive and we're just trying to make good art. And sometimes I think about this business where people don't understand that not all celebrities necessarily want to be celebrities. Oh my god. You wouldn't believe this. I would leave that part out. Yes. I actually, I don't want to say this thing. Yes. Because I love the people that support me. Yes. But it has far more negative aspects than positive to me. And I think that I think for like, oh, like how we were talking about there was a point when we cared. For sure. I think there was a point when it did matter to her, that part of it. Yeah. But one thing that I noticed in talking to her is that she felt so motherly to me. She is mother. That's what they said. Because it felt caring. It felt human. I didn't feel like I was talking to a superstar. Right. I felt like I was talking to a friend. That's crazy. Like I was like, I would just go to lunch with it one day. Just sit down and just, how you doing? Yeah. How's your knee? Right. How do you do it? How do you do it? What's going on? Yeah. And why you keep going up in the damn sky? I read that's what I should have said. Listen here. She went up there again when the first thing broke. That's it. And next night she was another thing. Sweetheart. If you hurt your knee. Because she was up in the sky doing cartwheels. I think maybe you can be on the grain. You know. You know, I think it's still on a stool for the hour and a half and we'd be happy. I don't think she would never do it, but she could be satisfied. I'd be happy to look into me and look, three hundred five hundred. Look, Vegas, Razz. Well, I miss the intimate shows. Yeah. But yeah, I always saw her as just an artist. For sure. And I think also with the way that people treated her pregnancy and all that, I think she got to a place of being like, I don't want to do this shit no more at that level. You're not there for me. Right. And I don't blame you. Right. And also, I think, and I also had this on revelation about myself. And of course, I don't know what it is for her. But for me, I started to think about the dreams and aspirations. And I was like, why am I still chasing these? I already did it. You already did it. I already did it. You've done enough for most people's career. I was like, why am I still here chasing something? Prior to 30, by the way. I've already did it. And so I think maybe she found, or I hope that she found just a little bit more comfort in having not to give so much. I agree. I think that's why she doesn't do interviews. Because she doesn't have to. No. She doesn't have to. She's done enough. And now it is purely just the art. Just the art. She made pop up. Yeah. She may see her here. Yeah. But it's not for show. No. And I respect that. What she did was that she took her life back. Yeah. And said, I can't change what my life is or what I have or what I've built. But I've also earned this. Beyonce did it all the old school way. Singing and signing in malls. The TRL, the she did all that stuff. Who else has a career since 1996? And you still sitting at the edge of your seat. Nobody. But she gonna do next and even if you don't like it. Oh, you watch it. And you got her expected. And you got to respect it. I don't care. I just get better. Album. You don't even have to be that good anymore. And I still love you and still support it. I'm not even expecting artists with this length of career to supersede themself. It doesn't happen that much. And I'm okay with that. I don't expect that of myself. Like, most people, pinnacle music comedy very similar. You're first thing usually your best because it's the culmination of everything you had. Music artists, they get one, two, three. But very rare to do you. I can't think of anybody who just keeps. No. But see, that's one of my favorite things about the current Beyonce era. Yeah. Because she settled into it now. Oh, yeah. So it's regal. It's regal. Oh, it's regal. Big regal. One thing I've learned from you is everything in your life has prepared you for your life. And I think usually we associate that with the good parts of our lives. But even the bad part, and the pain, the abandonment, the betrayal, it's also necessary to become who you are. And I think it's the balance. It's the balance. Like, sometimes I feel like, obviously I want, like for me, I wanted my parents to come to my basketball games. And they, they didn't. Right. They gave them and all that stuff. They were working and sometimes they was just watching Jeopardy. And I said, oh, I'm going to be so big that you, that I'll be unavoidable. And had they actually been at every game, I don't think I'd have that internal fire. That's the same thing. And now that I'm here, that fire's still there. And they come now. But it's still like, I got to go. I got to. And I think sometimes you feel like we look at that the part of our lives. If you go back and take that out, you might not become who you are. So even the painful parts are necessary to become who you are. Absolutely. And I think that for anybody listening, it's our job to heal. Our job to do the work to take those bad parts away so that we can live now in the glory of making, I always tell people that now I have made it over the rainbow. Perfect. Yeah, because of the rainbow is gay. Right. Yeah. Even like if you think of rocket ship, that's going to space. Once it leaves earth, you gotta let that stuff off because it's too heavy. Ooh, that's it. That's good. That's it. You already made it this whole and you never reattach that. Let it go. God out of there. Let it go. You out of space. Now you got to go to your destination and plan for re-entry. You can't carry all that weight in your neck. And don't worry. And don't you worry because once that dead weight is gone. The danger is out of the way. Hey! And what you will do. Huh? His land. Who I'm sorry God like this. Who? Hallelujah. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, I could talk to K-Lin for three times. One of my favorite episodes of all time. Just for me, if it ain't for nobody else, just for me, I've been a huge fan of yours for a long time. Always a pleasure when we're in the same space. These tell people where they can find you. All the things you say at the end of podcast. Yes! Hello everyone. My name is K-Lin Allen. You can find me everywhere at the K-Lin Allen. There you go. This has been not my best moment. I mean, this has been my best moment. We're K-Lin Allen. See you guys next week. This has been a unanimous media original. My best mom was produced by I Heart Podcasts and unanimous media. It was hosted by me, Kevin Fredrick. Executive produced by Stefan Curry, Eric Hayden, and Charlotte Sumter-Vizgett. Cole Executive Producer, Kalena Maria Kutney. Executive producers at I Heart Podcasts are Sean Taitone and Jason English. 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