Trade Deadline Reaction Part 1: Jordan Davis to Jags, Puka to IR, Aiyuk Reinstated, Why Teams Trade More Now, Week 10 Waivers, and Barbary Pirates

On today's episode of The Ringer Fantasy Football Show, there have been more first and second on picks traded during the season than any season in the past 40 years almost. And we were basically starting out this episode by being like, why is the NFL trade deadline so different or draft picks worth less or teams weren't desperate, like why is the NFL trade done that completely different than it was even 10 years ago. And while we were talking about that, the Eagles traded Jordan Davis to the Jaguars for a first and second round pick. So we talked about the Jordan Davis trade. And then while we were talking about that stuff, Michael Wilson for the Cardinals, the receivers on injury reserve out for the season and Pukanukuah is going to get put on injury reserve for the Rams. So we hit all that in this episode. And then in addition to that, we talk about which players you should add on waivers after the trade deadline because this is a really big week for fantasy for getting impact players for the rest of the season as teams reshape the roster. Also a lot on barbary pirates, like so much pirate talk, we dug deep on pirate. Also what happened at the end of this episode is that Brandon Ayuk was reinstated by the NFL, which means we don't know, but it is possible that he ends up playing for the 49ers. If Kyle Shanahan gets over, how much he hates Brandon Ayuk, which who knows. But he would probably be our number one at it receiver now. Just on the off chance of how valuable he would be for the 49ers if they actually decided that they need him more than they hate him. A lot happened all that more after the break. This episode is presented by Verizon. Let me tell you all about Verizon's new simplicity plan. You get one plan, one price, just $30 a line per month, even for a single line. So while everyone is running four trade analyzers before offering a backup tight end, Verizon said one plan, one price. The simplest move is the best one, like the simplicity plan. Head to Verizon.com today. For new customers who switched to Verizon, $30 per line includes auto pay and switch discount, additional taxes, fees and terms apply. Welcome to the ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Heiss. I'm joined in person in Los Angeles by Daniel and Craig Coralback. We are going over all the players you must add entering week 10 after week 9 in the NFL season. Also, we're here. We're doing the trade deadline this week, so we're going to have an episode tomorrow right after the trade deadline ends on Tuesday at four Eastern, but we're in Los Angeles. So it's one Pacific and we'll get that episode up shortly after. So we'll break down all the trades from the deadline. And if anything happens while we're recording right now, we'll probably mention it. I do have Shafter's Twitter up, big recent news that we haven't discussed yet. Oh, no. Beckham signing with the Vikings. Again? How many things have you done already this year? He took nine. He took the no one had to follow JG McCarthy number nine, got cut, went to the Giants, got no, I don't know. I thought I already did that. There will be like a new story about him in the pregame and then he won't play. How many pregame interviews versus catches will he have? What's the ratio? It's a one to zero ratio. Well, it's not a ratio of the zero. So yeah, it's a good point. There is no one. Anyway, we're going to go through. I want to talk about the trades before we get to waivers and I'm going to start with Jesse Bates. The safety from Atlanta has been traded to the Jaguar. So the Jaguar sent a second round pick this year, well, 2027. And a fifth rounder in 2028 to Atlanta for Jesse Bates and Jesse Bates, like a borderline safety for a long time. He's on the back nine. He's on the 14th. 29 years old. He's a three time second team all pro. Yeah. And if his contract 29 years old, second round pick, maybe seems like a lot, but this is like a Jags team that you're like, they're paying up for a guy that I think is going to help them when they're super bowl right now. He creates takeaways. That's kind of been his thing throughout his career. If you look at the numbers over the last five years, I saw this from NFL researcher. 20 takeaways, including 18 picks. He also had 12 force fumbles in that stretch over the last five seasons. So he's just, he's a ball hawk. So good teams do like in the NBA in January. It's like teams, I think they have a shot. You fill in the holes that you need to fill in before you get to the playoffs. So yeah. Eric Murray broke his out. He was the safety for Jacksonville, broke his elbow. He's an injured reserve. They also Devon Hamilton, who's the defensive tackle. Who ended up as their emergency long snapper in the London game? If you remember that, he's on injury. Yeah. Yeah. He got the game ball like he literally had a snap of field goals and points, but important defensive tackle on a great run defense. He's on defense, injured reserve. So then they traded for Devon Godshaws, the defense attack of New Orleans. I think that's just kind of one aspect of it. It's like the jaguars could win the Super Bowl. And that's interesting. And we'll get to that this week. But there's a larger thing I wanted to mention about the trade market overall. So again, zooming out, it's like you have a safety traded for a second rounder. And I went back and looked at the 29 year old safety. The 29 year old safety. So I went back and looked the last 15 years because that's really when the modern trade environment was created where draft picks became cost controlled. So it's like a way more valuable. So there had only been one safety ever traded in the last 15 years for more than a third round pick. Sorry. More than a fourth round pick. Yeah. Jamal Adams, which is a terrible trade. But at least he was 25 and let's six pick in the draft. Jesse bases 29 contract year at the contract is over at the end of the season traded for a second. But you also have, I went back and looked between the Quentin Elson trade, third rounder to Seattle from Indianapolis, and then you also have Cam jargons, the trade where the Eagle sent their center to the Ravens for a second and there. There have been more trades for an interior offensive lineman in exchange for a top 100 pick in the last month than the past 15 years combined. Really? Literally the question. Like interior, like I'm taking out tackles and I'm not including like if you were thrown in for like a trade up during the draft, where it's not about you. A trade that's about you is in center or guard. Literally more trades for a top 100 pick in the last month than the past 15 years. So between that and again, a safety is traded for more than a fourth for just the second time. And so my question, DK, is why are we seeing more trades? And also is it because our draft picks worth less now? I think there might be like the feeling among GM's and just decision makers in the NFL that the maybe not, yeah, I think like worth less is kind of just, it sounds bad. But I think that what we're seeing with the what's going on in college football is, you know, the NIL era guys are able to go back to college and get paid. There's less of an urgency to go to the NFL and get that money. And you just kind of have this thing where over the last five, four or five years, fewer and fewer underclassmen are declaring for the draft, which just makes the draft shallower. It's, it's those late second round picks aren't worth as much, I think, according to these teams, looking at the numbers, I was just looking back at the number of underclassmen who have declared for the draft, just going back. So the height of it was 2019, 135 underclassmen declared for the draft. So that's players that still had eligibility in college, okay, yeah. And this year, last year, it was 63, so like less than half. And so that I think it creates basically this, there, I think the top of the draft still certainly worth a lot. But I think teams are looking at, you know, late day two or mid day two as those are more fungible picks, we're not quite sure that those guys are going to turn into contributors or starters. And it's basically, there's just, it's more shallow. There's just fewer high level, high upside guys in the draft. This is why I'm confused. I feel like those are emptying out of the backgrounds of the draft. I feel like four, fifth, sixth, seventh round picks are worth less because of that. I feel like that would make me want a second round pick even more. I feel like it would be create like everything else. The middle hollows out and it becomes like, it's really halves and have knots even in the draft. And it's like, first and second, great. Third is borderline and then I'm like, fifth, sixth, all the same shit. I don't think the teams are looking at it like that. Sorry to interrupt, but like, just look at what happened this year, this last year in the draft where you have all these sort of not brand them, but unexpected second and third round picks. You got like five or six tight ends that no one was thinking was going to go on day two, went in the second and third rounds. I think teams are looking at these, these draft picks and not seeing automatic starters are looking at them and seeing role players. Yeah. Is there just like a narrative change around like basically a burden the hand is worth two in the bush and they're like getting a player we know is good now. The age of austerity in terms of NFL trading is maybe just going away. And all the other leagues, the trade deadlines are way more active. And do you think in the NFL there was just more of an emphasis on like draft picks are so important. That is how you build your team. You need a young, good, cheap talent. And now that's changing because if you make a good trade and we've seen teams like the Rams completely abandoned it that, I don't know, just the narrative is changing around the value of a draft pick. It's more palatable for ownership probably and I was talking to Austin about this like just the ability to explain to ownership or whoever's in charge of your franchise as a GM. Like here's what the numbers say. Here's what the teams have done in the past. This is a sort of a formula that we're following for what each pick is worth. That gives them something to sort of rely on and or like cover their ass if they're trying to explain like why they're going to do big trade. But I also think it's just a psychological thing. It's human nature. More people are doing trades. That makes people want to do trades more. It's less like you're in the spotlight and you know, it's just more acceptable now to do these big trades. Do you think on the on the other hand, like yes, good teams are more willing to go get players. Do you think on the other and bad teams are more willing to sell and admit like it's over? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It's it's absolutely that there's more of like because in the NFL it's like tanking is not really something that anybody really openly talks about in the NBA. It's like teams are openly tanking and now it feels like it's slightly changing. We're like Miami. Everyone kind of is like, this is a soft tank and there are teams where it's like at land is being like, all right. Look, yeah. It's open. Yeah. It's even deeper than that, though. I like 10 years ago when I started at the ringer and we'd have to like write stuff for the trade deadline. We would just hope trades would happen. Yeah. Like we was hoping to trade to talk about like Jimmy G was like a bananza being traded to the Niners. Like it was weird. Really hope for trades. - No, it's like, there are trades all the way, there are big names, famous people being traded. - 15 years ago, Jonathan Taylor would not be traded. - No, and so you're 27 year old star running back. - So there is a, I do think it's a really interesting answer and it's really simple. Front offices used to be run like teams and now front offices are run like businesses. And what I mean by that is there's an actual, like they know how to value assets. And so this sounds, it's as complicated as all the factors that go into it. It's actually not that deep. In the '60s, in the '70s, in the '80s, and even in the '90s, if you were gonna make a trade, and you're like, how do you make the trade? Well, we got a guard, we got a trade. What's it, what's calling it? What do you charge? I don't know, it's barter. It's like settlers of Catan. You have wheat and I got brick and it's like, what is that called? I don't know. And it's like, you have a backup safety and I got a backup guard, it's a swap. And it's, there is no economy. It's like, I have a bushel of apples. How do I charge, would give it to my doctor? Like, and so it was a barter based economy. It's like the arrested development. When it's like, buster's taking business classes and it's like, oh, 18th century agrarian business classes but the principal's apply. But now you have, everything is now in the language of money. Everything can be priced. They can price draft picks because all the draft picks, and again, this is important. I know I keep repeating it, but draft picks, there's no negotiation for the picks. You get picked 43rd, that makes a certain number. There's no negotiation in the money. So you can price the, what the pick is worth? You can put a price on the, and now there's so much data. You can, what's Quentin Nelson worth? X million dollars. Like, oh, well, that's so much a third-run pick is worth. We'll give you that. And so now, that's a market economy. It's not, it's a, they're getting better at managing the cap too, I think. Well, that's the other part. So you have a market economy developed where you can put anything in the context of dollars. And I know it sounds like revolution, but like that really is it. But now, they're also better at moving the dollars around in like the same way. They're getting better at accounting. Yes, it's accounting. It's like the same way you're like, it's like crazy. How are they doing these data centers? And you're like, well, we're funding data centers with the, you know, it's off-balance sheet, blah, blah, blah, blah. They cost them at a 30 billion dollars, but it does, it's not other, you're like, what? And it's like, it's all just financial vehicles, blah, blah, blah paperwork. And a couple of teams are better at the paperwork. So for example, let's say the, I call, you're the cults. And you're like, I'll give you a third round for Jonathan Taylor. And you're like, no, I want a second. Because the, what we see in the tweet from Shafter or our colleague here at Tom Policero is, oh, Jonathan Taylor for a second. What the team see is we are going to, we have to pay Jonathan Taylor $14 million and give up a second on a pick. That's what the team sees, the salary. So you're like, I'll give you a third. And you're like, how about this? Instead of you paying $14 million, how about we'll, we'll go split sees. Venmo me, we'll pay Jonathan Taylor $7 million. You pay Jonathan Taylor $7 million and instead of the third, now you give me a second. And so they figure out how to split the money. And they have all these vehicles now to split the money and you can price everything. And now all these gems are like, fuck it. Like, let's make deals. It's just easier to kind of financially assign numbers to draft picks and players now. So everything is more easily swappable. And crucially, because I'm not trying to get lost in economic, economic bullshit theory, whatever. It's this. You don't look stupid to your boss if it's priced correctly. This is the career. It's cover your ass. It's still worth. It's a job. It's work. In the 90s, if you traded a guard that you took in the second rap, Jesse Bates. You, or maybe I'd quite Nelson's a better example. He's gonna leave. What if he leaves these good blah, blah, blah. You look dumb if you give him away and he's really good. But if there's an accepted market for what these things cost and you get that price, you can, it's not in a fault. You don't look stupid if you can explain to ownership. And so that's the thing. You're like, hey, do you want a third round pick? If we spend six million, you can spend $6 million. You can get a third round pick, Mr. Owner. Will you do that? Sure. We'll take on the salary and we'll get a better pick. So that's really, I think that's why there's more trades. And yeah, I also just think teams are more willing, the cults who are clearly rebuilding and are starting over being like, we have a 29 year old guard who's pricey and really good. And wants. It's probably gonna want a big cause. He does not need to be a part of our rebuild. The timeline doesn't make sense. We are willing to sell it. I think teams were less willing to do that in the past and are just more willing now. It's like an understanding of windows. You're trying to sink everybody up into those windows. I still think personally, like I think all that does make a ton of sense. I think that the strongest thing is just the way that college football has changed. Well, the supply is less. The supply is less. Absolutely, 100%. And so I think that's overall why this is worth. But where's the dip? When does like, is the first round still great? Or is it like, you know, like when does the value start to get worse? Right, right. It depends on the fast. I think it's the fourth round. It depends on the year. Sure, but like roughly, is it like the top 100 picks are still as good as they were 10 years ago? Or is it like, man, as soon as you get past the top 15, things change. I don't think so. I think it's that. I think it's after you get past the blue chips, it's flat. But here's my question. Is that based on the scouting you've done last few years? Because I think that a weird thing to connect between the past players aren't as good in the top. But is that COVID? But here's my going forward. Is the past couple of years, is that like COVID eligibility transfer portal, the beginning of, I've never had to scout, how many play we've never in the first five years we did the show, had to scout a player, went to three or four colleges. Now it's like, there's a couple dozen all the time. And so that combined with, there are 25 from COVID. It's like again, Seth McAllen's a rookie running back for the Colts that will start next. And he's younger than, he's three years old and railing out. He's been in the league for three years. So once the COVID kids are done, so going forward, how much do you think the DIPA is N-I-L? Good kids stay versus the, we had all these 25 real tight ends this year in the age. How much of it's the COVID versus the money? I would also follow up with a question about, an underclassman coming out, who's like raw, talented, a little less developed. How do you value that compared to a guy who's gone to three colleges in four years? But it's like, yeah, he's a little older but he's more developed, he's more reps, you know what you're getting. Like, could you argue that like, the depth is better because now all these guys going in the fifth round are less like raw athletes and are more like proven, you know who's good, older guys. And I think you could argue that will end up being the case. I think my guess is like, what teams are seeing is we just don't know, we don't know as much information on these guys because the other thing that I think is interesting is with all the transferring that's happening, like guys will stay one year at one college, go somewhere else for another year. They're going all over the country. The way that teams have their scouting department set up is like you have regional scouts. And so instead of having one scout who's scouting the SEC, he's like in Georgia or wherever. And he gets to know a guy over three years and get like a really good sort of like profile right now. - Or the staff has a stronger opinion on the guy. I feel like sometimes he shows up at 18. - There's more conviction on some players and maybe the teams are just right now. They're like, we just don't know what we're getting from these players. - To that point because it's really important. The way it's worked forever until three years ago is if you have an SEC scout doing like Alabama, when and you're like, oh, the kids going in the first round for Alabama. The scout didn't start three months ago. The scout started when he was 18. - Totally, totally. - He was on a book them at 18, 1920, 21 and goes into three years of research. And so he's known the kid talking to the coaches about him for three years. And now it's like they've had three months because they're like, oh, he came from where, webster, what like the, and now everyone. So everyone's, it's vertical for scouts. And that's how, that's my pet theory on, why did the chiefs get the left tackle for Indiana undrafted and he's starting for them? Why is Kalen Black, one of the top running backs taken in the draft and he didn't get invited to the combine, which in theory is to invite every single player who's not committed like a violent, been accused of violence is invited to the combine that could even conceivably be drafted. And they didn't invite him. And I'm like, well, I think it's because he went to Indiana and they didn't, there's the Indiana Regional Scouts didn't know this guy. It's like even a undefeated national champion with everyone watching Fernando Mendoza. If you don't have the book on him, they kind of lost track of the guys. Well, it just all feels a little bit less linear to me where it used to be like, if you go somewhere, you kind of like slowly work your way up. There's like, oh, the systems are kind of out of whack right now. Maybe there's a relationship within the system, the scouts, the staff. And now it's like sometimes a guy will play a decent amount as a freshman and then he'll go somewhere else. And then he actually won't gel with that coaching staff as much as he thought. So now he's not playing as much. And then he goes to a different team the next year. And the systems change, that depends on, you know, that changes how well they operate on that team. You see them basketball all the time where guys like, I think I could be getting more money to go play somewhere else and they get more money to go play somewhere else. And then they end up playing 15 minutes a game. And you're like, well, can you getting paid more money? But now the tape on you is not there anymore 'cause you're not playing as much. So I just feel like the jumping around just changes your ability to scout somebody linearly. And who do you call? Who knows the kid? The coach. Well, he's four different coaches in four years. And that's the problem. Bella Check, there was this green beret who tried to set up like a psycho draft scouting thing. He helped consultancy. A psycho one. A psycho logic call. Yeah, that's a good, better, good call out. A psycho call out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I went with the middle ground. Psycho's the opposite of those things. But anyway, his question was like-- And a psycho, actually. That's true, Ben Johnson. But the green beret, his question to Bella Check was, what do you want to know? And he thought he'd have one kind of answer. Bella Check's like, I just want to know who cares. Who cares? Who really like, he's like, he'd be shocked. How much these people don't care. And the question, he used to just call the coach. He saw him grow from 18 to 21. Now, it's like, who knows this player? Yeah. Yeah, the bouncing around, I think, affects players for multiple different reasons. And it's really tricky. Everything's harder now. And there's-- so there's a circle back. And there's fewer people. Why there's more trades now is because I think teams are saying, we have more sure-- We think this is a more sure-- College is messier. Well, if you're good in the pros, you're good in the pros. You know it for it. It's easier to scout. a guy that's already been playing or whatever. So I think that's a big part of it. I think there's a lot of variables, but I, you know, just thinking about the draft and like what, call it the way that college football is like changing so dramatically. - Yeah, do some guy goes to Western Michigan then Arizona State, then he goes to an SEC school for a year, doesn't play that much. So he goes to a smaller school, plays more four different systems. - Plus they're older and I think, do you see that as like? - It's like you, yeah. - Yeah, who do you go to to ask about them? The tape on them is completely different everywhere. It's like sometimes he looks good, sometimes he does it different systems. - There's no control. - Yeah, it just feels impossible. - And so you take all that in, and I think the key is you take all that theory and shit, but you gotta remember, but it's about translating it to your boss's boss at work. And the answer is, hey, they won a 20, 28 fifth, you care? And they, in the, in the GM think about all that shit, we just said like, fuck it, just who cares about the fifth in 2020? - Maybe we'll get a conversation. - Who gives a shit. - Yeah, 2020. - Yeah, and so that's it is, I think teams are less attached to these later round picks. 'Cause fuck it, man, this is hard anyway. - But just, again, in 2019, 135 underclassmen last year is 63. - There's only 256 picks or whatever anyway. And so there's 60, again, if you're declaring for the draft younger, it's 'cause you're better. - Right. - It's so like, it's-- - 'Cause you're ready to go pro. - Yeah, so it's interesting, but I, and-- - In a lot of cases. - So I think just keep that in mind for all this trade deadline stuff, 'cause it's interesting, 'cause like, this was not an event 10 years ago. It was kind of, it's giant things. All right. - Yeah, it's been fun. - With that said, you guys wanna do waivers? - Yeah. - Okay, so with the giant caveat for waivers, we'll go through the picks at each position that you need. We'll probably have a lot of the same picks. We'll do trivia tie breakers. Email us trivia questions, email us, stupid court, fantasy court, we want all your court cases. We'll litigate your group chat. We'll set all the thumb arguments you have with your friends, fantasy or not. - Yeah, so this is week 10 waivers. So-- - What's really about the deadline? Which is tough. - Yeah, the deadline will change a lot, so be aware of that. Before we start though, so we're heading into week 10. So I wanna get an update on the trivia box score, basically. I wanna see who's winning. - Hold on, before we do this-- - Austin, just texted us. The Eagles traded Jordan Davis to the Jaguars for first round in 2027. - Oh my. - And it's second in 2029. I think this makes sense to the Eagles. - Jags are going hard. - All right, so I'll explain this. - Whoa. - I think this makes sense. - You, 'cause we were talking recently about maybe Jalen Carter getting traded, right? - So this makes sense for a few reasons. Well, not a few reasons, but there's, the Jaguar, the Eagles have two spots at the defensive tackle open, and they have three guys. So they had Jalen Carter, who obviously was like, the most talented player in the draft a few years ago, but like I had a lot of offield issues, but he's really talented. And then you, Jordan Davis, they played together at Georgia and how he Rosen's like, give me that Georgia defense. So they had Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis at the defensive tackle. They also had this guy, Moro Ajomo. Still have Moro Ajomo, who's in a contract year. And Moro Ajomo is unbelievable. Like he's like, kind of quietly, maybe better than them at times. And everyone thought Moro Ajomo was a trade candidate, really, to Jacksonville, because, oh, well, he's in a trade, if they go as to free agency, they might want to pay Moro Ajomo. I think that Jordan Davis being traded to the Jaguars is perfect for the Jaguars who can get through in a second, but the Eagles, it makes sense because you can just pay a Jomeo now. And so you can just keep Moro Ajomo, pay Jordan Davis. And here's, to synthesize this all in real time, if you'll forgive me, the Eagles are using money to make a better team. This is about money, as much as it's about the players. And here's why. The Eagles are basically taking-- I'm going to go ahead and guess what's happening with the salary stuff. The Eagles are using money to create more draft capital. And what that means is, because they already gave Jordan Davis this extension, right? Let me pull up the contract. They paid Jordan Davis, and we'll come up to the Eagles' picks in a second. They paid Jordan Davis a giant contract for, oh, my God, they gave him $26 million a year. I will try to explain this, and if I can't land the plane, just say your board. Pull the port in the bus. A contract is like a house. There's a down payment. Let's say I want to put 20% down on a house, and then you get a mortgage, right? Let's say I don't want to put 20% down. So I want to put 10% down. What happens? The mortgage goes up, right? So how much money you put down initially? Cash affects how much you pay later. The Eagles give these giant bonuses. So the salaries are lower, which means when the Eagles want to trade someone, the trade value is higher, because the team doesn't have to pay that person as much money. So if you give a $0 signing bonus, and the salary is really high, when you're offered, hey, you guys, and your teams are looking, you're like, we have to pay this guy how much? But instead, when you offer the Jaguars, Jordan Davis, and you're like, I want to first and a second. Maybe the Jaguar's like, I don't want to give you first and second for Jordan Davis. And then they look and like, wait, we own the affordable now. Exactly. The Eagles paid the down payment. The mortgage is low, because the Eagles paid the bonus. So that's how, again, in a four-year window, the Eagles spent like $200 million more dollars on the roster. They're like, how does the question become, hey, yeah, look, you're going to have to give us a first and a second, but it's cheap to get Jordan Davis. And so that's why owners-- this is what it means. That in a salary cap league, you can still have owners spending money to create picks, even though there's a salary cap. The Rams, the Eagles, the owners that have cash, liquid, and spend money up front, create value later, because you're spending money now. So what this is about to me-- That's a good analogy, by the way. Yeah, I liked it. So I'm thrilled. I'd never hear that anymore. And so, by the way, James Gladstone, it comes from the Rams, who are famously fucked in picks. Exactly. So I feel like the Jags are a pretty good, young, talented roster, and I'm sure they're like, fuck it. Our roster is good enough over the next two or three years. We'll just load up with players, fuck the draft picks, and let's see what we can do. And so now, because you lost it on Hamilton, so you have Godshaw, a defensive to beat. You have Jordan Davis. And again, the Jaguar's already a great run defense. You have a-- They've got to be the Jags. No. They have Travon Walker. Now they traded for Devon Godshaw. That's two, number one picks. Travon Walker and Josh-- They have Eric Armstead. They have Josh Heinz Allen. And now they have Jordan Davis. And so don't forget, last year, the final four teams left in the playoffs were the four teams whose defense and tackles were the top two quarterback pressure defensive tackles. And it felt Broncos, Patriots, Ranzroll, top four, and defensive tackle pressure. I like that the Jags are like, just not fucking around. They're like, we're very good. And we're going to get even better. And we're going to make sure we're as good as we can possibly do. This is the old thing. Like Kevin Clark, you always talk about. There's only so many teams actually trying to win a Super Bowl. There's like, how many teams are really trying to win a Super Bowl this year? How, like, 10? How pissed would we be? How many are there, do you think? It's-- Honestly, it's like 8. Like, truthfully trying to win a Super Bowl. We were talking yesterday about how humiliating it was for us that Noah Eagles announcing Sunday at football and he's like, to your younger than us. How humiliating would be if James Gladstone is like, is he a RH? No, he's like 35. OK, thank God. Because if he won a Super Bowl as the GM, even though he blew the fucking Travis Hunter thing, who Travis Hunter's even playing right now, he wins a Super Bowl as the younger than us. He's 36. But Dika, how do you feel that James Gladstone might be like six years younger than you and win a Super Bowl this year? I mean, I'm kind of past that point. Oh yeah, like, Sean McVeigh was like 30. A lot of coaches were on. Yeah, you're-- All right, right. But anyway, I think this is a great trade for Jacksonville. Because again, they're already a great team. The Eagles, meanwhile, look at-- And this is again, I know I'm ranting a lot about money, but the point is, money buys picks if your owner will spend cash. And so what I mean-- It buys flexibility. It buys flexibility. And then you were creating an opportunity to trade players for later. And here's what that ends up looking like. And you're like, I'm just trying to answer the, how does how we keep doing this? Here's why. 2027, the Eagles now have their first rounder, first rounder from Jacksonville, and a second. And then 2028, they have a first rounder from the Patriots on the AG Brown deal, which again, he's worth more because they paid the bonus. They have their own first. They have a second from the Ravens, which they got for-- which again, no one had ever paid a second round pick. Which is the Jirgins. For the Cam Jirgins pick. No one had ever paid that for a center ever. And then a second rounder, so they have-- and then they also have two seconds. It sets a first and two seconds in 2029, two first and two seconds, 2028, and two first and a second next year's draft. And they get to rebuild this entire era of the Eagles, because they spent a lot of fucking money. That's really fascinating. How is a Wheeler and dealer? I like-- and Gladstone is too. And again, it makes sense to me, because now-- I don't think it's a huge loss for the Eagles' defense, because you still have Jalen Carter and Moro Jomo. Now they just give the money to a Jomo. And that's the thing at the pipeline. Yeah. Cool, man. All right, the Jags are going for it. I like this. I think-- I actually want the Jags to win the AFC. I think the Jag was the most interesting team. It's funny, because only in the NFL could you have a-- the funny thing called a small market. They're actually literally the biggest city in America. I think by land is Jacksonville. But I actually think the Jags were to be the most entertaining team to make the Super Bowl. They're really good. You look at the AFC, and I start to wonder how many teams do I actually think can get there, and you start to understand why Jacksonville's doing what they're doing. I think the Bills can win the Super Bowl in the AFC North, or the AFC East. Jack's Bills, AFC Championship game. Yes. But it's like the Patriots. I don't know if I feel that way about them. I don't think any team in the AFC North, as much as I love the Steelers, are real Super Bowl contenders. The AFC South, you have Jacksonville below that. Unless Texans do something crazy, I don't think there's anyone there. And then even the AFC West, it's like Denver and Kansas City are good teams. I don't know if they're great teams. And so you kind of get down to like, it's the Bills and the Jags. And so I get why the Jags are doing this. So 10 years ago, 2017, and that was a Blake Bordles, but the Jags are the best defense of the NFL. And they went and they acquired a bunch of people at the deadline. And Jacksonville is sixth by landmass in America. So what are the, so you're way off? What are the bigger, what cities are bigger than by landmass? Is LA bigger? LA is massive. Well, what is the definition of LA? What do you mean? Gladwell. Because Jacksonville's Jacksonville City, but LA is, you know, Colvers County, LA, LA City. Yeah, yeah, like exactly LA goes all the way down to Long Beach all the way up to Santa Clarita. Yeah, exactly like Russell Wilson's from Long Beach, but it's from LA because Long Beach is LA, but those are different cities. It depends, I don't know. What are the biggest cities? By the way, Jacksonville, I think it's-- Is it in Texas, Dallas or something? Aaron Schatz said Jacksonville moved up to number one in DVL. I have this week. AI over here, I can speak English. Google says Jacksonville is the largest city in Florida, and largest city in the continental US. I don't know. [BLANK_AUDIO] hashtag AG Fact Check, which is his own Fact Check service. So now we have got kind of a bit of a bad view. - You can double check that, but I think it's the largest city in America, unless you count like Alaska. - This is fun, okay. That was right before we were about to do waivers. - All right. - Maybe more will come. - Continental America, whatever. He's saying Alaska, all right, fine. There are cities in Alaska, but you're fine. - Kansas has a bigger city, interesting. - Okay. - Are you were gonna do a. - We're gonna bring in Nikhil to do a trivia update. - So come on in Nikhil. - This episode is brought to you by Brooks, whether it's for a moment, a mile or a marathon. Brooks knows that when we move together, we become something bigger than ourselves. That's the power of connection, and no matter where you are in the world, running can help you find your people. So let's lace up and start sharing more than the road. Let's share our stories, our motivations, and our passions, because connection doesn't just help push us forward. It could help lift us up. Let's run there. Learn more at BrooksRunning.com. - All right, we're here with Nikhil, our resident Chicago Bears fan. He's riding high after his shake. He went on Sunday night. - Yeah, we did a little cocky. - That's it. We're just one. - That's fun. I see a W, not an L. - I see yet. All that matters to me is the first quarter and the last drive of the game. - That was a classic, like, come down game after the big Seattle win. So just getting the W's great. Nikhil, you're here to give us, you've been tracking the trivia all season. Please be gentle with me, because I fear that I'm not in first place. So tell me how it's going. - Do you guys, first, do you have any predictions? - I think I have it. - I don't think I'm winning. - I think I have it too. - All right, first one. - Nikhil a week we swept. Should we do trivia on the trivia? - Yeah, that's good. Yeah, gong right now. - Yeah, my prediction is that I have it just in first. - Okay. So in first place is Danny Heifetz with nine trivia wins, but tied for second and third. - Wait, who? - Wow. - What are we at? - Nandika. - Both at eight. - Oh, let's close. - Wow. - All right, this is me. - I gotta make a tray for today. - Really, Davis or something. I gotta kind of bolster my squad. - I've done a great job rigging the parody in this trivia contest so far. - We also have odds on who's gonna win. This is coming from the Austin Gale Sports Book. - Okay, interesting. Can we bet on these on Fandall? - I think you can, yeah. - Okay, well we are. This is rest of season who's most likely to win the trivia showdown. - So who's the one that's adding and figuring out all the trivia questions? I wanna bet on that guy. - Yeah, right. (laughs) - Oh, I gotta, do you wanna do it? - No, no, I wanna bet on you. - I did have a friend who I was golfing with us. We get and he was like, I hate that Heifetz reads the trivia questions. He was like, why don't you guys have a producer do that? And I was like, we try to do that once. And it was like, it was harder and it's just easier to have Heifetz go through them. But he was like, it just, and then I said also, DK and I like that we always have the crutch of like, well, Heifetz looked up and blushed. - Yeah, that's the real thing. - It's really nice to have him. - Yeah, if you lose, I'm cheating. - Anyway. - You're smart. - We win it anyway, you know? - We win either way. - We play in both sides. - We always come out on top. - We win or learn. - We're doing the it's always something when it kills still here. - Yeah. (laughs) - Okay, what are the gambling odds here? - Okay, so Craig is at three to one. - Okay. - DK is at four to one. - Oh, what? - And Heifetz is minus 900. - Oh my God, what? - Jesus Christ. - Maybe I don't want to bet on Heifetz. - Those odds I don't. - That's, I mean. - Not at all. What, your minus 900, you have one more win than me? It's like, when the game is rigged, it doesn't fucking matter. - The only way to win, the only way not to lose is to not play. - I should know who's really pulling the strings in. - I mean, just think, yeah. - I don't know what they're basing it off of, but I'm just here to tell you. - Okay, wonderful. Thank you, Nikhil. - Thank you, thanks guys. - Okay, so we're gonna get into waivers. And again, the obvious, the trade deadline is Tuesday at four Eastern. - Yeah. - There's a lot of the opportunities from players. There's a handful of injuries that are actually useful for fantasy, but there's also a lot of opportunities for guys traded to places, guys that replace the guys who get traded away. So that's the main crux here. So keep, look at who gets traded and go from there. So we'll try to give you as much as we can for it now. We're recording this Monday. DK, here's your number one running back on waivers entering week 10. - I think, so it's gonna come down to what happens in this trade market. But I'm gonna put Seth McGowan, the running back for the Colts first, just based on the idea that, it looks like Jonathan Taylor has a good chance of being traded. And if he does get traded, then McGowan has a massive value rest of season. There's a handful of other guys that I think you could play in week nine and feel good about it. - Wait, are we already on a week 10? - Yeah. - Week 10 is what I meant. But I think the upside with McGowan is that he could be a starter for you the rest of the season if Jonathan Taylor gets traded. - I know 100% agree. And Jonathan Taylor literally did this whole goodbye. - He did. - I think Jonathan Taylor will get traded. - Very eloquent goodbye. I will say to the fans, to the city of Indianapolis, it was very thoughtful. - Yeah. - JT's a pros pro man. - He really is a real leader of that team. - Watching that, I was like, man, I'd like to have that guy on my team. - Yeah. - So yeah, I totally agree. Seth McGowan for the Colts. - I think that's right. - And we'll talk through the other guys in case, because you'll be able to put in your waiver, like ads after the trade deadlines over. And then we'll talk through the other guys. - Okay. - It's time for the Seth McGowan. - Showdown time, DK. - Oh, God. - That was a tricky build. - Here in person, John. - Studio Gong. - It's different. - It does. - Craig got up next time. - What's that line? - I want to rattle in my chair. - Mm-hmm. - I want it to be like 4DX, you know? - Oh, this one's from Matt. - Matt. - Mattie. - Long time listener, first time emailer. - Wow. - Breakfast was the C4 that I nuked in the freezer for 15 minutes. We'll change your life into the bar. - Maniac. C4 is an energy drink. - C4 is an energy drink. - Preworkout drink, basically. - He nuked it in the microwave. He nuked it. - Freezer, freezer. - No, do not, I don't think that's a good idea. - I think it would become a real nuke if you did that. - Right, right, right. - He just like flash froze it and then gulped it down. - Got it. - What do you think blind the ages of Matt, who puts the C4 in the freezer for 15 minutes? - I'm gonna say 22. - Yeah, I agree. - Yeah, something like that. - Well, how many milligrams, the trivia question should be, how many milligrams of caffeine are in a C4? - So wait, send those in next week. We'll do that next week. 'Cause we're gonna forget, but they'll remember. And so, yeah, email is that. - I wanna do a drink with the most, legally that is allowed to have the most amount of caffeine in it in America. - What drink has the most caffeine? - Well, there's that San Francisco place that has the $100 coffee, but like they should do that for energy drinks. - Like, I wanna know, can drink with the most caffeine in it that is not a black market beverage. - He knows that. - Okay, Matt writes. - Black market. - You buy it on the dark end. - Gray market. - Yeah. - Pause is this generation's, that's what she said. - Yeah. - Remember, there's no innovation, only iteration. So the trivia question is, how many times in the nine seasons of the office did Michael Scott say that? - Great question. - Oh. - Great question. - I was saying that's what she said in high school in the late 90s, early 2000s. So he's absolutely right about this. - Yeah. I feel like athletes say it a lot now in interviews. - Yeah. - I feel like it's kind of a way for them to get away with saying what would previously be known as a homophobic phrase. - Right. - A lot of guys do that now. - Man, Michael Scott. - Nine seasons. - Nine seasons. - Okay, I have a number in mind. - Yeah, okay. - Three, two, one. - 25. - I said 27. - I said 27. - Fuck, I guessed really high. The answer is 40. Well, the answer Matt says is 40, I didn't know. - What did you say? - 55. - I think I won. - Fuck. - You're closer on the other side. - 20s, I was 13 off. You were 18. - A lot of a bitch. - Let's go. - You get Seth McAllen. - Oh, no, you were 15 off. I was 13 off, yeah. - So close. - I don't even remember what you guys said, but I was like, - You said 27? - Yeah, and it's 40, which is 13. - Okay. - So you win. - Bang. - Seth McAllen. - Eat that Vegas, eat that AG sports book. And again, running back. Running back is the most important position this week. I think by a lot because there's actual started that could go. So Seth McAllen's first, Dika, who do you take a second? 'Cause I think the candidates are Audric Estimate for the Saints, who they caught Kendri Miller and now Estimate is there, and Cameras, you know, been old all season. - But it's him. - Cory Keiner, yeah, exactly. Travis Hagen could come back. Cory Keiner for the Patriots, Trivian Henderson, I don't know if he's gonna play the rest of the season. He has some neurological issues that there were neurological symptoms as the phrase that was used in the reports. And then Ramanju Stephenson might have an MCL injury. We don't have an update there. Caleb Johnson for the Packers might get a starter too, and Josh Jacobs is a hand thing. - We can also make a trade. - Yeah, and then also like, if Tony Pawd's traded, Taji Spears could be, we don't know if he'll be traded. So who would you take second after Seth McAllen? - Tony Pawd feels like a tighten. I mean, feels like a packer to me. - Do we know when is Hagen returning? We'll see. He's progressing well. - He's been a question of whether he's gonna be back. - He's very hurt for a while. - Very quiet. - I think I lean Estimate just by a hair. - Really? - Yeah. - 15 carries. 72 yards on the touchdown in this last game. 53 of those 72 yards came after contact. I thought he looked pretty good. That's yucky sauce. - Running downhill. - Didn't the Browns cut him and then the St. Signed him, and then he beat the Browns? - He's bounce around. - The other, well, I mean, the other options are Kale Johnson, who your team dropped. - I think we're doing all right at running back. - Okay, and then Corey Kiner for the Patriots, who it looks like Ramandre Stevenson might miss time. He has a knee injury. - Yes, Kiner. I mean, I guess, yeah. Kiner's another guy. The Bats could also make an acquisition at running back. - Yeah, I think Kiner, again, this is why you really, I would not set your waivers for finalize your waivers 'til the trade deadline goes through. 'Cause Tony Polo goes to the Patriots, that's a really big, but I think Corey Kiner, I like Corey Kiner, 'cause I actually think he's gonna play, and I think Vrable likes him and Josh McDonald's likes him, which is half the battle. I think he's fine, and the Patriots offense is good, and you kind of, they don't have a ton of receivers, and I don't know, at some point I kind of want a guy that the coaching staff trusts as a goalkeeper. I'll do the, I'll do the, I'll do Kiner because the Patriots play the Lions this week. That's the other thing. I think it's Kiner. Yeah, okay. I would also say number three, personally, after Kiner, I just still think it's Kaelin Black. I agree. I think McCaffrey, I mean, you just, you just never know and even with McCaffrey playing, Kaelin Black is getting like 10, 12 touches a game, which is like already maybe you could start. Like McCaffrey. Well, like it just feels, if McCaffrey makes it through the season on Skate, that would be like these. I agree. And I think if Kaelin Black is starting and McCaffrey started, he's like a top 10 running season. Caleb Johnson, I think, yeah, I mean, the Packers are the best Russian game of the reverse the Patriots, but the Packers play the Vikings next week, which is Yikes. That's a great run, dude. Then the Packers are on by. Then Josh Jacobs could come back for the Saints. So you're looking at two, one, maybe two starts, one of which is like Caleb Johnson versus the Vikings would be like the last ring starting running back we have. And then a buy and then like he might not even start. So like, I think Caleb Johnson's last. And then after that, it's like, use your brain based on the trades. Like, if Tony Paul gets traded, Tashy Spears was already hurt, so he could play. It's not as exciting, but I agree. So Seth MacGowan was saying, and then it's Corey Kiner, Audric Estimae, Teardrop, and Kaelin Black and then it's Teardrop. Yeah. Okay. And Caleb Johnson worth mentioning, because Josh Jacobs broke his finger and he's getting this a couple of games. Sounds like three at the most, according to one report I saw, but a lot of injuries in week nine. So which gets us to receiver? Yeah. So receiver, this, again, just happened. Rams are expected. This is from Ian Rappaport. Rams are expected to place Pukka Nakua on injured reserve with MCL and PCL sprains plus Turfto. Coach, just to go over that PCL sprains or what happened to Brock Bauer's and Drake London last year where they came back, but we're totally ineffective because it affects you, the stability of the knee. So you can't be like a great athlete, like your knee is not stable. And then he is Turfto. I was going to say beyond that, even if the knee is healthy, like Turfto is a year long thing. Like that will not recover until after the season, you just have to like stop running for months. Like it just doesn't go away. So even when he's back in, if he comes back in a week 14, he's still going to have Turfto. So we're jumping around here, but I actually think, well, first of all, there's all Rams implications here. I am hesitant. I don't think I'm going to sit here and recommend not a month field because the end of the winning team, the Rams, again, they played last week. They played half their stamps, basically, we're in three tight insets with one receiver on the field. But that means is they don't want the non-Pukka receivers on the field, which means they're going to have to either trade for someone. They're trading for somebody. They don't trust the receivers they have. So the ad off Pukka Nukuba to me is clearly Tyler Higby. Because Tyler Higby, when Pukka is out, is the guy that actually gets those routes. He can replace the play concepts where Pukka gets the ball near the line of scrimmage. Yes. I think Higby's the top tight end. I don't think those are some of the Rams I want. I would say Terrence Ferguson, who's probably going to come back this week. It looked like Terrence Ferguson or McVeigh said that it's probably going to be a few weeks. Oh, really? Yeah. He's got, he injured his hamstring at practice. Well, on the feet. Just the chest injury from the feet. Well, that's therapy. That's foot therapy. He can do a little bit more of that. Yeah. Also, he was having sex during that video or no. No. He was not having sex during that video. You think it's impossible? I suppose not. How big is this guy? Well. The angle didn't seem to work, right? Everything was big in that video. Another injury report. Michael Wilson is out for the season due to a neck injury. The Cardinals lap receiver. So. The season's been crazy. The Cardinals now. No Marvin Harrison, Trey McBride is going to catch 38 passes a game. I know. I was looking at the Cardinals, too. It's like the exact same deal with the Rams. I'm like, I don't know if I want to recommend any of these guys. The next highest snap rate guy on the Cardinals in this last game was Simi Fahoko. Like, are you going to want to plug Simi Fahoko into your starting lineup when Menshu? By the way, Menshu might be hurt, too. So. So we got Carson Beck coming up. Hold on. Let me figure out what's going on with Menshu, too. Because I saw a report that he is undergoing tests on his right arm. Catch your born's out for the year, right? Didn't he hurt his leg? I mean, it's yeah. So they have Simi Fahoko. They have Devin Duverne. I think the answer is Carson Beck at court. And Reggie Virgil, the guy who ran into the goal post. This is going to be a very bad team. And it's just the Trey McBride will probably be like a top five pass catcher for rest of the season. Not tight end. Like, Trey McBride is going to be up there with Chase and he's in four. He's just the Miles Garrett of tight ends. Trey McBride. Putting up a lead stats on irrelevant teams. Yes. And so I don't know if there's a, I don't think there's going to be a week to week. Like, oh, start this card. No, someone will be relevant. But my some weeks it's going to be Tegan Cortani, Quigand, I came and say his name. But like, I don't think there's going to be a card on you. Quintori on him. Tegan Cortani's name. Yeah. Tube Hubbard and Tegan Cortani. Do you think you could get a first for Trey McBride in real life? Yeah. Yeah, I would. I would do that. I don't, I think Sean, Sean Peyton in the Broncos. Somebody said, somebody said they were trying to call the, the Cardinals about them. They were like, I think he's worth the first. Oh, yeah. I was thinking about the title. Yeah. I think about the title and market. Like, you have, I mean, wait, hold on, what does, just think for a second what Mark Anjus gets paid. Mark Anjus, the Ravens, December. 15 million. 11 months ago. 12 million. 13 million here. They give him $40 million over three years. Like, that's Mark Anjus, who we kind of are sick of. So yeah, I mean, Trey McBride on a contract. He's making four years. Seven six. Like, yeah, no, he, they would, he would definitely get a first, I think. So. All right. So we're, we're talking receivers now. Yes. So with that, with all that being said, I don't know if I'd recommend any of the Rams receivers or any of the Cardinals receivers as like my top option. The Rams are going to make an acquisition. The Cardinals are probably aren't, but I wouldn't have any. Maybe go pick up Brian Thomas Jr. if he's out on waivers right now. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. The Rams are Cardinals acquire receiver in a trade. Then probably add that guy. Unless it's like for a seventh or six. I mean, hold on. I want to see how much. I think Brian Thomas now has to end up on what he's doing. Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas is rostered in 42% of, Thomas makes, yeah. Go pick up Brian Thomas. Because you know why the Jaguars again, I don't know what, what, what can you get for him? I think the Jaguars, if, because James Gladstone came from the Rams, I think the Rams, maybe they pay a third for him. I think I've had this point. They're better off keeping him. I would just wait. Trade him in the off season. Like, I, I almost seem like keep your wide receiver depth in case anybody gets hurt. You have a chance to win the Super Bowl. Why would you make the Rams better like that? Maybe the Rams give up a second and they're like, fuck it. Yeah. You have to rate that. But I'm kind of like get rid of them in the off season like, why, why make a team that's struggling that could win the Super Bowl like the Rams better? I wouldn't do that unless it's a really good offer. Yeah. I think it's more like the K-Shum booty thing that Patriots were like, we don't need Brian Thomas. But then like in three weeks. Exactly. They get hurt. If Parker Washington tweaks his ankle suddenly, you're like, ah, the Jags wide receivers. Who do you have? Jacobi Myers. Yeah. It's like every, and again, it's like every fantasy football trade. Can I ever run back? Yeah. Yeah. But then what do I have it running back? I don't think they should trade them. No. But I said trade offer. Again, if Brian Thomas gets traded, I would add them. Okay. So D.K. With all that said, who's you? Um, so the first guy I want to talk about is Jordan Tyson for the Saints who might be a little bit above our normal threshold, but he's, I think he's worth adding absolutely. If he's out there, he only played on a quarter of the snaps for the Saints. They eased him back in in this last game. He's still got five targets, four catches, 30 yards. It's like he's really got the juke. He's kind of like a Luther burden thing. He just has the juice. He just moves differently. Um, so past that though, I would say probably kind of sparse that receiver this week, I'd say Caleb Douglas for the Dolphins would be my top pick. Oh, it's not a great week for receivers. Yeah. It's not. I would. Caleb Douglas is good. I'm sick. Dolphin. My issue is just the predictability. They played the line. I mean, you couldn't hide the ball. Yeah. So it's like you're never going to be able to predict it. But none of these guys are probably starting, Jordan Tyson, yes. But Jordan Tyson's out there are definitely added. Like there's don't have a cult. I think tank del solely because there's something about having a player that everyone likes and is good that if tank del is one more good game, you could probably trade them. See, that's the thing is like tank del played 45% of the snaps in this last game. It's up from 20% in the first game they came back. So he could be training in the right direction. Yeah. But that's a mystery right now. We don't know if he's ever going to get locked on. I would add tank del because I bet I think you could trade tank del. Would you rather tank del or Ryan Flanoi on Dallas? I feel like those are the two that are in my head. If you had a gun to my head, I'd say Ryan Flanoi scores more fantasy points next week, but no one is going to give you anything for Ryan Flanoi. I think whoever had tank del and fantasy two years ago probably would fucking love it. If you get 200 yard games on Ryan, I guess, I don't know. I feel like being like you can trade tank del and week 11. Well, I'm saying you need a big, well, I'm, but these are all bad. I mean, it's that our Eft and Shism. I mean, one guy is good and like not famous, but famous like relative to Eft and Shism and pop Douglas. Yeah, yeah. I also just think pop Douglas. Tomorrow Douglas and Eft and Shism for the pages like tomorrow Douglas is the best you see for they have. Yeah, I agree. And a good offense. But EG Brown could come back. He's going to. What does that mean? He's traveling to Germany with the team. I know it's like, I don't even want to. Well, EG Brown is probably getting treatment in Germany. Pop Douglas is good for a big play every game. Yeah. He needs, he needs whatever German drugs are there. Okay. And then Antonio Williams every week. We're slight Antonio Williams now. Still waiting for the big game. Has it happened yet? Yes. So who are we picking? I'm going with the Caleb Douglas. Okay. Should we just say Brian Thomas? Because Brian Thomas asterisk, if he's traded. Yeah. And you'll know by Tuesday. Exactly. Okay. Okay. Just a note. We, after this episode ended, found out that Brandon IU has been reinstated by the NFL. And I think that he might be our number one ad. Not because he will play for the 49ers, but because he now literally can. And Kyle Shanahan still hates his guts. But I do think there's a chance Brandon IU can either play for the 49ers or gets traded to Washington. Right. Now that he actually is an agent and clearly can crawling back. So he's so good that even with the knee injury that maybe he didn't rehab and him being a little crazy and everyone hating him, I do think he's the number one ad at receiver solely because of how good he could be if he's at 100% in place for the Niners in Washington. Yep. So we all agree he's the number one ad probably. It could be the story of the end of the season is like Brandon IU, who's might be fully healthy, just looks fantastic. And again, could do literally nothing. Totally. not play or sign. - 100% right. - But also could change the year. So that is, you have to take that bet when, you know, so with that said, we'll get to, the rest of the receivers we've taken. - All right, that means it is time for the Brian Thomas Asterisk, if he's traded, showdown time. - Two Asterisk. We're going in, Brian Thomas. - Yeah, that's fine. - That's what, this is the week for that. - Yeah, all right, this is from Jerry. - Jerry, Jerry! - Hello, Jerry. Breakfast today, three pieces of turkey bacon, three scrambled eggs with egg whites, for extra protein, orange juice, side of, oh, misery, 'cause the Patriots blow. I, I like this breakfast. - Jerry writes, I've never written in, but I always wanted to. I figured veterans week would be a good time. A lifetime ago, 2007 to 2015, I was a marine. Veterans day this week. He says, the trivia question is, the Marine Corps is the second oldest branch behind the army. What date was it founded? - Oh, shoot me. - The Marine Corps? - DK, I feel like you're minus 1,000 to win this right now. - Yeah, I think I have an idea. - Can I give me a, can I give me a lean here? Which way? - It's the second oldest behind the army. - Yeah, which is the only context I have that helps me for my guests. I, all right. What am I, what am I, I'm not giving you a clue. - You're not gonna help me. - No. - Second oldest is the only thing. So, fuck it. - You ready? - Are we doing a year actual date? - He said eight. - He said eight. - Eight. - Okay. - I just give a year and then for tide. All right. Three, two, one. - 18, eight, eight. - 18, eight. - 17, 76. - 17, 76. - 17, 18, 80. - I said 18, 10. - 17, 76. - Well, I was like, I think it was somewhere in between 17, 76 and the war of 18, 12. He's probably gonna win. - 'Cause that's what I was thinking. It was like, did you say 18, what? - 18, 10, 'cause I was kind of thinking. He said second oldest. And I was like, wasn't the whole thing, there were pirates. It was like the Battle of Tripoli. - Like the Tripoli. Yeah, it's like the Marine Corps song is like something with Tripoli. I think it was like, they sent the Marines on ships over to take care of the Marines. - You know what I do now, but I was wondering, but it was probably like 1812. - 'Cause you assume that the order was probably army, Marines. And then what, what do you think? Space Force or Navy? - But I was kind of like, well, when did we get a Navy? - The Marines in California, the Navy. - That's kind of crazy. - Yeah, I know. - But they were on private, they went with like, private tears and stuff like that. - We weren't paying the French, we're in the French, just like, yeah, I hate those people. Fuck 'em and they gave us, I didn't really know. - So what is the answer? - The answer is you're almost dead, right, it's 1775. - Woo, goat. - All right. - I was worried because when did they do the barbaric pirates? - It was a thing. - I was like, right, near the war, right? - 'Cause we don't. - I was reading about that. - Now we're all tied, nine to pop. - So November 10th, 1775 in a tavern. In a tavern in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, which is now historical marker. It's a ton tavern in Philly. At least there's something good about Philly. Okay, so you get, I don't remember, you get asterisk Brian Thomas Jr., look at DK. - I liked it, 1776 in retrospect is the most like, - Jerry, Jerry's probably cringing because I got all those facts wrong, but it's something like that. - Wow, you got a year off, good for you. - Us saying not, 1776 is like, drafting a Maryampton in the second round, which is overthinking it. Okay, so you're, so the first Barbury War was 1801-1805. And that's where the line to the shores of Tripoli in that song, the Marine Corps hymn. - That's the song I'm gonna do later for the song. I'm just irrationally, it's the Tripoli. - He's not supporting the troops at all. - So you get who at Brian Thomas? - Do we count you're in Tyson? - No, I wanna just emphasize that I think he's gonna be really good. - I do as well. - That's fine, if he doesn't count. I would have tanked out, fuck it. It's a good story. A lot of these guys suck. He won't be as good as he was last week, but I actually like him and fuck it. - I'm gonna go with Pop Dogless. - That's a better pick, I forgot about him. I would do that. - Pop Dogless? - Pop Dogless is actually really good. - I agree. - I'm just trying to talk about it. - I'm cringing internally about how much I fucked up about like, the Marine Corps and everything. - You got, you got, you got, you got a year off. - No, I know, but I'm like, I don't wanna be like talking out of my ass about it. - That's fine. - What do you see upset about? You weren't around that much. - Sorry that I just, I'm not apologizing to you 'cause you're not a Marine. I'm apologizing to the Marines out there. - What are you apologizing for? You got it right up the facts. - No, I was talking about all the other stuff. - You know, whatever, sorry. Loser thought the Barbarian War was before 1801. What a nerd. - You were on track there, though. You didn't know about the Barbarian Pirates? - Yeah, they were just Pirates. I just think, there's pirates in the Carolina, like, all those pirates just float around. - I don't know anything about the Barbarian Wars. - I got no idea what that was. - I got no idea. - I just took the Pirates. - I wanna say they, they couldn't stop. - I wanna say they like, yeah, they took some ships. And this was not in the Carolina. It was Bart like, this was in the Mediterranean, the triple. - The Mediterranean? - Yeah. Tripoli is in modern day, is it Tunisia or Algeria? Where's Tripoli? - Libya. - There's so much, you just think so much stuff has happened. - Yeah, it is. - So much stuff has happened. One thing I've thought about, I'd like to be smarter about history, and I feel like you have to decide what your thing is gonna be because there's too much. - There's so much. - So you're like, am I world history guy? Am I 1900's guy? Am I world wars guy? Like, I have to decide what I want to know about because I could probably spend my whole life reading about two wars. - I was in a wedding. I went to this wedding in Tulsa last weekend. I can't remember, two weekends ago. And there's this great museum there. It's called, which I wanna get the name right. It's called Greenwood Rising. And it's basically about, you've ever seen the beginning of Watchmen where it's like, there's basically a tech, a pogrom really on this black wall street, this like town, successful road black businesses in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And it is pretty crazy. It was like, there were bombs and it was crazy. Like a lot of people to flee, it was an insane thing. And so we went to this museum, it was really good, really thoughtful, really well done museum. It was two hours, but what was cool about it is, we realized we were talking after with the people I went to and we were like, this is like a two hour museum. This is kind of about like a 10 year period around like the surrounding 20 square blocks. Like this two hour museum is just about this exact neighborhood of this city. - Totally. And I'm like, we just did two hours and I'm gonna think about this for months. - It's too much to chew out, it's too much to chew. You have to really pick. I might consult you on like, what should my niche be? (laughing) 'Cause I need something. - I gotta figure out your vibe. - That's good. - Like your history vibe. - Yeah, as I get older, it's like what, when I want to read a history book on vacation, what part of history would I be doing? - You know what, I recently read like three books about shipwrecks. People get a shipwrecked and fucking like, wherever in the age of sale. - Email us at ringerfinacyfootballgmail.com. If you have a pitch for whatever Craig's niche, niche of history. - What's Craig's history? - I've got an interesting like American political history. That kind of intrigues me. - Like what? - Do you want to read books or Wikipedia articles? 'Cause books. - Okay. - All right. - So, emails, pick the pitch. - Or war on it. - Yeah. - Okay. - With that said. - Like, open up my like, trend codes from the books. - Like modern wars. - Yeah. - Okay. Tidens. I think with the puket thing, I do think the number one Tiden personally is Tyler Higby because he's the only guy that could get 12 catches next week, and I wouldn't blink an eye. - I think Higby, number one, and then stash Ferguson until he's healthy. - Yeah. - So I, yeah. All right. So Tyler Higby showed on time. That was easy. - Yeah. Right. - That's the opposite. When Pukas out, he is the only person for what I've seen that McVeigh seems to trust to just run most of those pukas. And again, all the Tidens are going to pop. It's going to be Colby Parkinson's. - Yeah. - It's going to be David Salon. - It's going to be like David Salon. - David Salon, I know. Part of me is like, - But yeah. - He is the guy that if you look up just when Tyler Higby plays. - Where are you going to rank Tyler Higby this week? - I have to, I mean, roughly, is he going to be like eighth, or is he going to be like 14th? - Well, the rankings, to me it's not about the linear ranking. It's about-- - It's like, is he an automatic starter? - Yeah, probably. Will they're playing the Cardinals this week? Honestly, yeah, the Cardinals are like the worst team in the NFL at defending Tidens. So, like, he's an auto starter basically. If you don't have, if you don't have Trey McBrider-Brock-Barrows, it's like, you could put him in a flex. - You could, you could, if you have like George Kittle, you could have Tyler Higby in flex in this week. I'm going to sing it, put it this way. Tyler Higby, a bad game, is two catches for 20 yards. I'm like, that's every tight on on this list, and every tight on the NFL side of five. The upside is, he had, I think the difference to me is, it's possible that Bowers and McBrider are always going to be that top tier, and then Kittle is there too. And then it's like, to me, Tyler Higby now is the upside of Isaiah Likeley of Harold Fanon, of he can actually could get 10 catches for 90 yards in two touchdowns, and that's not weird. And that is what's more important to me than like, all right, I might rank him like 14th, but the upside to me is like, it's so hard to find a fucking tie down that you can say that about, and I'd rather try. - What? You agree, DK? All right, that means it's time for the Tyler Higby showdown time. - Oh, so yeah, I'm thinking about that week three game, man. Denver, 11 targets, eight catches, 62 yards of touchdown. I just think that's to me as what it is. Okay. - Puka being done sucks. - God. - Also, was very predictable. He just appeals himself off the crap every day. - No, it's like, yeah. - Last play of the game, if you were vague. Doing a jet sweep to seal the game. And like all they did was give Puka the ball. - Now it's like, they're looking at like late December, they're getting, they're getting Devonta. Adam's in Booga back. The reason they probably, the Rams probably have to make a trade is I feel like if they don't, the Rams will miss the playoffs because the defense is so much better now with miles Garrett. But I don't think the offense. They cannot move the ball. No. They're like going to turn into the box. They have to run it 40 times a year. Yeah. They just want to give up on the run. It's all yours. Okay. Trivia is from Grant. Grant. G-Bone. I've transcribed the number of times that the word fart or shart has been mentioned on the podcast in the month of October. I don't know. And he was pretty thorough about it. So the question is how many times was the word fart or shart mentioned on the shoulder? In the month of October, and I'll tell you now, I came distressingly close to this answer. Wait. So just October, not from October to the month. The month of October. Got it. For the phrase is fart or shart. Both. Come on. Yeah. Come on. I give the phrase. So if I just say no, no, no, no, no, no, the individual word fart plus the individual word shart. Okay. Right. Nah. Rushing and receiving. In October. Oh, man. Okay. Tell me one. Sure. All right. Three, two, one. Seven, six. You guys did not. Not high enough. I could. I was like, two hundred. I spend more time with this often. You guys, I can tell. No. I. I said 300. Uh huh. The answer is 260. Whoa. 268. Yeah. Whoo. Dude, because when we do those, cause here's why we do this when you have five hours to think about the question and then give your answers harder than five seconds. Let me tell you something. I type these things in more. This is in bad thinking about it for an hour for frequently take less time during the two. Yeah. It's different though. You know what I mean? We're on stage under the bright lights. We're in the batter's box. You're in, you know, you're in the cage. You're the man in there. You're taking hacks in the cage. I'm in need of you. You're in need of you. I'm in need of you. you down the pipe 101. What did you guys just say 36? 36 ridiculously. What the fuck you way off to? We did a fantasy court on shardy. Decay. Do we think it's up for me? I said 70. That's way closer to 300. That's just the whole like getting further and further. It's like it's just like 36. That's crazy. That's crazy. Greg. How could you guess that? You're an idiot. Yeah. 7.6. 7.6 is also all right. So I'll get to hit me. What do you guys want? Decays up because he's way closer than me. You're taking Michael Sikki. Michael Sikki, Darren Waller or the Steelers titan. Friar move through Darnell. For someone else. Also, Chica Conquo. That's probably a good one. Probably going with Chig. That's kind of like me bride in the Cardinals, but like the desperate version of it. If there's so many receiver injuries, that at some point, just the titan does the guy. It's like, it doesn't feel good to plug guys like Chica Conquo or Greg Dolsitch into your lineup. And any givenly, it doesn't feel great. But they at least have a little bit of floor because they're playing a lot and they're getting a good amount of targets. I know. Mine's gross. Darren Waller, he was awesome. He was the number one titan this week, but he's been all over the place. I said two catches the last month until yesterday. I'll just go with Friar move. We can move on. All right. Okay. So Friar move overdone on Washington. Yeah. Most fun player in the NFL to watch. Please. I think. I think so. I love. I love Darnell. Okay. Friar move is also the, he's the, the push push guys. So he can sneak and get a touch. That is, that is always, that is the major one. Yeah. It is like at 36, not that far off. It's an out. Thanks. You know, you know, that was a good point. I'm back in on, on your guess. Reasonable. Two points for Craig. All right. You want me to run through the Cubis? Wait, the Jags tweeted out a photo of the back of Jimmy Gladstone. What does that mean? I don't know. I'm missing the reference there. I don't know. What does that mean? Somebody explain it to us. Austin. Do they not have any photos of the front? Maybe they don't want anyone to know how young he is. Austin says, I don't know what it means. Just the back of it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone show a photo like that. That doesn't we can we get any like context from the responses? That's really weird. How many teams have turned their GM into content? The Jags are the Jags are built this. Are the Eagles doing shit like this with Howie? How he is famous. I don't think the Jags are promoting their GM like the Jags needs some social media's cloud. You know, I don't know. Anyway, okay. So we don't have to add ends yet. Decade one of the run through quarterbacks. Just trying to look through these these responses to this and none of them indicate why they tweeted a picture of his back. He's turning his back on the league. I don't know. Anyway, um, quarterbacks for this week. Couple actually decent options. The ones I outlined here Aaron Rodgers against the Bengals. Last time they played E through three touchdowns. He is the QB 19 on the year. You could do a lot worse. I feel like he didn't have a great game last week, but they're coming off a buy. What do you how do you feel about that one? Again, Cincinnati. Yeah. Yeah. I like it a lot. The other ones here. Geno Smith is playing Buffalo Buffalo is giving up to eighth most points to opposing quarterbacks. Geno's actually been playing pretty well. He also made an incredible tackle. I know that doesn't matter, but did you that was crazy? Yeah, dude came flying in. Um, and then Drew Locke is getting another start. He is kind of dealing with a bleak injury, but doesn't sound like he's going to keep him out. But he's playing the Raiders who give up the third most points to quarterbacks. The Raiders have given up 30 straight points in it and like a record setting six straight games. Yeah. So I think Locke has some upside also pretty impressed with what he did in this last week. He's making some throws. Another team that might be interested in Wild Receiver is Seattle. I feel like yeah, for sure. Got to have some offense other than Jackson Smith and Jigba. Um, and then finally, Malik Willis did not have a great game this last week, but he's playing Indianapolis next week. The culture giving up the last most points. I don't mind that one. Yeah. I might put that one first. Got any other ones that you were interested in? No, I feel like Rogers is kind of the safe choice here. And then if you want to go for upside any of those other three, I think those are smart defenses. Uh, the packers defense is kind of playing well. They play the Vikings this week. We're recording this before Monday night football. So we don't have, but I think the bike, the packers defense versus the Vikings offense, I kind of am not afraid. And then all the secures playing really well. They're going to get micro Parsons at some point. So they go on a buy after the game, but you're going to get Vikings and then a buy and then micro Parsons added to the defense. That's tasty. The Ravens defense. I know the vibes are atrocious, but getting Jigba per set, I assume that deal will be completely like fully finalized to complete it at some point. And then as long as they get a real quarterback, they're playing the Chargers next week. And so the Ravens versus the Chargers, I mean, you could make the case that that should be like a top two defense next week. And the Ravens might be available. Uh, I would highly recommend that. Uh, then they play the Panthers. And I think there's a chance the Ravens are available. The Pittsburgh Steelers are on buy. So they might have been cut because they're also playing the Bengals. I don't know if I love the Steelers Bengals matchup, but. Yeah, the Bengals probably not. But it's a stash for the playoffs, the Steelers, you know, and they play other teams. I'm like, you know, they get to my turnovers. Like I just like being able to add them for the playoffs. I will say the Bengals defense versus Steelers. I don't hate that either. I think the Bengals do the ones playing really well. Mm-hmm. It's hard because I don't think this is a great week to stream defenses because the Broncos are on buy, the Bears are on buy, the Eagles are on buy, the Buccaneers are on buy. Those are kind of, you know, they're all kind of good defenses. The Niners are playing Dallas. I don't love that and going against Dallas, but I do like the Niners defense because especially Fred Warner for us who fumbles right now. Yeah, I like that one. And then the Bills playing the Jets, which I don't love any of those. I like the Ravens versus the Chargers. I like the ones that kind of pick your poison. I like Green Bay. Yeah. So Ravens and Green Bay are on their own tier and then everything else is a little harder. Do the last five, the last one, two, three, four, five weeks, the Packers have been like a top five defense. Would it turn around with them since the first three weeks or it's like night and day? Because persons will be back after the buy, I'm assuming, right? Yeah, we'll see you the next week or the week after. Yeah. But yeah, the turn around for Green Bay has been insane. Are you guys want to do a couple emails and get out of here? Yeah. All right. First of all, we have to address so that the Panthers Broncos, Sean Payton challenged the situation. We did not hit this on Sunday, but it was one of the larger stories. So we missed on this. So Brent writes in some Brent. Brent. Breakfast is a bacon breakfast burrito and half a kiwi to convince my kid to eat the other half. I love that. I'll do it with you. It's nice. Kiwi's a good view. Brent writes, I've been listening for as long as the Panthers have been irrelevant. I've accepted all the slander, disrespect, thrown our way. However, when my favorite show has a section of the show dedicated to baffling referee decisions and you don't even mention the insane sequence of events leading to an end zone turnover that flipped the game against the Broncos. I'm at a loss. He's right. We fucked that up. He says, am I taking crazy pills? Is that whole situation down? I think we have to explain it. Basically, there was this insane interception in the corner of the end zone. One of those like I've, like baseball has these all the time. Like I've never seen that happen, which was basically the receiver. Bob was kind of like the kind of game wall catch last year. Can you do you want to explain it? Because it's, it's, it's important. I guess it's that more than it was just kind of crazy. It was in the corner of the end zone in a defense. Who's the, who is the receiver? Do you remember? I don't remember his wall or timey treble. Basically, the guy tried to bobble it and he bopped it. Like it felt like six inches off the ground. Yeah. It hit the ball, hit his hand and the hand was like on the ground. So it almost looks like the ball hit the ground with a black glove. It ricocheted back off the ground into the hands of the guy. And he caught it like right off the ground. Like it just was the most improbable interception ever. So the, and what's happening at TV is the panthers line up and run a play and they run the whole play. And then it turns out the referee's like, well, Sean Payton challenged it. We're reviewing it. Uh, and they're like, what do you mean? Like he got the flag and, but they ran the whole play. And they're, and then they come back from commercial and they overturned it. And they're like, actually, you don't have the ball anymore. The Broncos intercepted that pass. So panthers fans were furious because they ended up losing the game and they very much could have won or had the chance to win. And so they're like, well, What do you mean? What actually happened is Mike Florian, pro football talk had this. I don't know if he had it first, but that's where I saw it, is that they use replay to determine if they should use replay, which I meant to say in the show last night, and I forgot because I was delirious. But they actually went to the expedited replay process and they're like, well, did he drop the challenge flag or did they run the play first? And he dropped the challenge flag. So like, all right, we'll review it. And they're reviewing, like, yeah, it was definitely a catch. It was improbable, but it was certainly an interception. - Yeah, what? - And my very unpopular take is that, I think that makes sense. Like I think that it was the television network's fault for not showing people the audience that Sean Payton dropped the flag first. - Well, it was the, what was the problem? Like did Panthers fan think, the Panthers fan didn't get the flag in time? - Yeah, that's right. - They didn't show it and the referee didn't notice. - But I think if you think about it, if you're throwing the, imagine if Sean Payton throws the flag or someone else less hateable, so it's more empathy. If you throw the flag and the referees don't notice, should you be able to use the camera? Like, you're allowed right now. You can review if there's 12 men on the field. You can review, well, like, that is an objective thing. - I got to be honest. I don't even think this is a controversial take. I completely agree. - I think that people are being-- - I'm watching, who's old by the clip? 'Cause the way it happens, how is it-- - Here's Sean Payton, here's Sean Payton. You can see him very clearly throw the flag. - Like he throws the flag. - It's like a full second before this-- - I, so part of me is like-- - Wait, what was he doing? - Watch, you can see the guy go on motion, but the snap doesn't come until, well, see, here's the flag. There you go. So, if you're a Panthers fan-- - And then a snap. - Like my neighbor Alan is Panthers fan, he's probably pissed about this, but like-- - This is similar to the whole, like, backwards past thing. - Yeah, thank you to Alan for watching my cap, by the way. So Alan's Panthers fan, I feel like you're furious about this. The order in which you were shown information was infuriating and unacceptable. But it's not like the referees fault that the TV station didn't show you the Sean Payton replay. - If this happened in the playoffs and it coached through a challenge flag before the ball was snapped, and the refs just didn't catch it and they moved on. It would be, it would like lead ESPN the next day. It's like the largest miss in the playoffs. - Totally agree. - And it just, but the way it happened, it makes it be like, oh, conspiratorial, what are they? - Yes. - But if you have the video, you should use it. - That angle, the DK just showed us, it's clear. I mean, it's very close, but it is clear. - Okay. Before we get to this next email, in Rappaport reports, Cardinals, yeah, Garderman Shoot needs Tommy, Johnny, suffered a tour and you still is throwing arm. So in the interview you had before half time played with getting more test, well, I don't know if he needs Tommy John, but the tour is UCLA, which is what happens when you get Tommy John. - Carson Beck. - Could be out for the season. - You can play through that, or at least pitchers can throw a partially torn and hope he doesn't, which he could, because Garderman Shoot might never get to start again. So actually, maybe he will keep playing with it, but later on. - So now it's Carson Beck throwing the trademark bride. - And that's it. - Yep. The Cardinals have collapsed. - How do you feel about training bride going for it? - No, no, you're playing it, but it's not great. - I know. - Carson Beck's gonna get in the ball. - Yeah. - Everything's going to trademark bride. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay. - Where is Carson Beck just rips it up? - He looks kinda good in preseason. - Well, you know what's ironic? Carson Beck was the first quarterback ever drafted who had Tommy John. - Oh, is that right? - I think so. - Yeah. - Like Brock Purdy kinda had it, but they're different kind, but like he wasn't like in the NFL. - Yeah, yeah. - Carson was like, that's kinda weird that there's like, a very small handful of quarterbacks that have had. - This is the elder. - And they're both in the Cardinals. - A very tough situation for Carson Beck. - Like, let's throw this guy out here when we have all of our receivers are now gone. - Yeah. - Look, DK, look. - Cool. - If they were smart, they would shut down Jeremiah Love as well. - DK. - He's on IR. - Yeah. - But like for the rest of the year, yeah. - He should come back. - Look, if Carson Beck has to play next week, I'm sure he's prepared. - What team could he possibly be playing? - Yeah. - That would, uh, Rams. Oh, Miles Garrett and Aaron Dullin. (laughs) - I mean, I legit feel bad for him. - Would you rather be Gargier Minshew, go out there versus the Rams knowing that if you have a partially torn and you tear it, your career's probably over, or would you rather be Carson Beck and play your first career game versus Aaron Donnell, Miles Garrett. - And then he plays Kansas City on the road. - And then Kansas City on the road. - Not great. His receivers are going to be Simee Fahoku, Reggie Virgil. - Devon DuVonet and Reggie Virgil. - And check my brain. - Just don't wait a minute for that. - I'll check my brain. - Yeah. - This one's from Logan. - Elbone. - Logan. - Really quick. We told him a teleporting time. We did Hawk Celtics NBA playoff game six. Hawk's one in Atlanta. We all woke up at the Kentucky Derby. (laughing) - How far away is it, man? - I have no Dean Kentucky. - I mean, far enough. - Pretty far. - Not. - Not. - They didn't walk. - This is like the basis of the hit movie, The Hangover. - Atlanta. - They didn't walk. - Yeah, that's really funny. - That is-- - Tell me how far is it? - It should be a trivia question. I looked it up. I wish I hadn't-- - How far is the drive? - I'm upset I looked it up. We should just happy. - Eight hour drive? I have no idea. - What is it? - Six and a half hours. - Okay. I mean, that's a long way to go. How'd they get there? Who drove? - I literally, I'm concerned. - Were they switching buses? I got blacked out. - Maybe the flu. - Did they fly? Did they ever figure it out? - I don't know. - That's wild. - That's pretty crazy. - You know what's fun about that? You know what's really fun about that? Oh wait, like you don't, the phones in our way, there's a chance that like there's a razor. - You got a razor. - It's not less for seats, you know? Like maybe you're checking your credit card statements, I guess. But like there's a chance they don't have like, - You're paid to get a razor. - No, I didn't know it was any idea. - Nobody took any photos. Like yeah, you know. - It's like in the hangovers they woke up, but it was a napa. - Dude, what the fuck? - I want to rewind even further. Like let me know in the 90s when there was truly no way to know like what the hell anybody was doing. I want to know times where you teleported like this in the 90s. - Free internet tell-- - Yeah. - Send us where it's like me and my friends still don't. I want me and my friends still don't know. - We'll never know. We'll never know. We have a couple of emails we should dig up, but there's a great one about this from that. Do you remember that email? - There's one that's ringing about like the guys-- - The guy who hooked up with the woman. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't remember. - Oh yeah, it was like-- - They were hooking up and it was like, yeah, they met and they were hooking up. And like with this like he was like, oh, he was like 22 and Wall Street. - Someone's mom, someone's daughter. - Yeah, so he was 22 and Wall Street. He was hooked up with this woman who was like, you know, 32, 30, you don't know. He's 22 and all people are. And eventually he's, she comes to him one day. He's like, how do you have this photo? He's like, what do you mean? How do you have this photo? - And it was his, oh, I forget if it was his like siblings or step siblings. And it turned out that it was-- - Steps siblings mom? - Yes. - It was his-- - Is it a step sister's mom? - Yeah. - Something like that. Yeah, the step sister's ex. - Oh, that's not all the time. - It was step father's ex or something like that. - Oh, step father's ex. - They both were apparently part of-- - Step father's ex's daughter or step father's ex? - No, like the mom, like one of them and they-- - It sounds like an Netflix movie. - One of them. - Step father's ex. - And so they were like-- - Sounds like another kind of movie that's not on Netflix. - And he said he had never told-- - And we should read this. - Antonio Brown's making one of the-- - Right. I'll pull up the email. - Is there a porn version of Netflix like a funny, like pun name? - Netflix? - Oh, probably. - That was, that took two seconds. See? - That's enough time. - Netflix. - Yeah. - With an ex though. - Thank you, DK, thank you, Craig. - You're welcome. - Nikhil, thank you all. I don't know why that threw me off, that was the thing. - That one's ever said that during the day. Thank you, Nikhil Cam. Thank you Austin for dropping all these trades and during the show. - And for making this burn book. - I know. - Oh my god, if you're watching. - Let's modify the video now. Austin, so you follow us on Instagram, ring your fancy football. - Austin's an artist. - We have these photos. And I want you to know, they're not graphics we're making. Austin has literally been making a burn book. - He's burning it. - It's, the burn book is real. It literally exists. And I cannot tell you the craftsmanship. I, we'll put this on Instagram. Look at this freaking book that Austin is making. I'm trying to open it for the camera, that breaking it. - You're turning the pages very carefully. Like it's the Dead Sea Scrolls or something. - I almost think it's a picture book. - Oh, what if it fell off? I think stop doing it, you show it to the world. - You'll get all the ash that you're selling out of your computer. - I don't have to keep the studio for tomorrow, I guess. - All right. Anyway, shout out to Austin in the burn book. It's unbelievable. - Thank you, Lord. - Lord. - Songs, you are rationally hate. DK just graced us with sexy back by Justin Timberlake last episode. Hi Fitz, you are up. - Okay, so can you say the name of the month again? - Irrationally hate, yeah. I don't need reasons. I don't need to feel good about it. I don't need to be proud. I'm not saying other people should just like it. - Yeah. - You're not yet getting anyone's yum. - I just, those are the pre-requisites for the category. And I don't like it and I was gonna go to my fucking grave with this information and put it out on the world. And because you're doing this month, I'm gonna say it. Jack and Diane by John Melon Camp. - Oh. - Hi Fitz is like, kill your darlings. - I was gonna tell you all the classic. - You hate all these classic 80s and 70s songs? - I just, like, don't, I like Jack and Diane. Two American kids, best they can, don't. Oh yeah, long goes, huh? That's a good song. - Yeah, I'm just, I think, I don't even know if it's a bad, I don't think it's a bad, I think I just hear it too much. - There is a point in which you just like, I don't need to hear it. - It's like life goes on. And I'm like, I'm sure like 1966 when that came out, that was fucking sick. - 1966, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. - He was on it. - I don't know, I'm sorry, I was not alive. I'm sorry, I don't know when John Melon Camp was put in Jack and Diane's in the 80s, I think. - It was 1982, great year. - Whatever. - The year I was born. Doesn't make sense 'cause he's like a wife. - He's like Americana. - I'm just like, I just- - Little did it. - Oh, Jack and Diane. - John, I don't know anyone named Diane. - No one, no one is named Diane anymore. - I know a Diane's in your life first. - I have an aunt's name Diane. - I guess maybe I know Diane's. I just, I don't know what it is man, but I'm just like, I just put it this way. - Why did he change his name to John Cougar, Melon Camp? - John Cougar. - Why wouldn't you? - You changed your name. - I'm just curious. - You wanna be Cougar Kelly? - Fuck, I kinda do. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's a Cougar, son! Can I pound a Colombian bam, bam? - I believe it's because his original name as an artist was Johnny Cougar. And then perhaps he got more fame as he changed it to Johnny Brown's camp. - Come on. - Do you guys, like when that song's on? - Cam, one of our producers is, his grandma is Diane. - There he goes, grandma's Diane. That's what I'm saying. - Okay. - That's actually, yeah, that's fair. - Yeah, man, yeah, I have a name. I just, I don't, I, I, when, if I end up on a playlist of throwbacks, I love almost all of them, but that one's I'm kinda skipped. I just like, I can't do this. - I respect it, I respect it. You're allowed to dislike certain things. - So you just kind of like, there's nothing really about it specifically. You're just like, I don't like it. - Do you like the little guitar part where it's like, ♪ Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh ♪ - Well, I'm just like, Banny, that, that's the better part. - That's the better part. - That part's great. I love that, it kinda saves it. Honestly, if you took that out, I could give it to you. - I like that, but I'm just, first of all, I was like, "Jack and Diane, I'm like, "Fuckin' care, what the fuck are we doing here?" - Okay. - He's like, "I don't wanna hear this fucking ditty about two people." - I don't wanna do it. - I don't wanna give a shit about Jack and Diane. - I'm just gonna try to say, "I don't wanna do it." - I don't give a shit. - Oh, what? - What are you saying, doesn't he say, "Diddy"? A little ditty. Yeah, a little ditty. - Why did you react that way? - Why did you say, "Diddy"? - D-I-D-D-Y. - Right, he was thinking of puff daddy. - No, I don't want that. - The whole thing's no ditty. - And now you're just like. - Little ditty. - No one, that's a word that has expired culturally. No one says like-- - Expired culturally is great. - Yeah. - Do you like any of his other songs? Like, "Hurt So Good" or "Pink Houses"? Those are classics. - Yeah, no, I like John Melanchamp. I just like that one. - Johnny Cougar. - Melanchamp I think was a popular guy in '80s. - Yeah, he was. I mean, it's very similar to Van Morrison thing. I like the guy, that song, I'm like-- - No, I think Cougar was a-- There's a really reason why he chose Cougar, if you know what I mean. - I think he was having sex with lots of women. - I think he was big with the mothers out there. Do you know what I mean? With women named Diane. I think he was having a good time in the '80s. - He's a mother lover. - Where's Guy? - This guy got busy. - Mothers love him. - Yeah. - I'm a mother lover, you're a mother lover. - What is a phrase come up with? - One of them. - Like each other's mom. (laughing) - Goodbye, everyone. (upbeat music) - 21+ in present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas, Darkest Sino or 18+ in present in DC or Wyoming. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-Gambleer or 1-800-MyReset. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut. Or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327. 5050 for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8 Hope-NY or text Hope-NY in New York for Louisiana. Call 1-877-770-7867.