Toy Story 5

♪ Blank Check with Griffin and David. Blank Check with Griffin and David. Don't know what to say or to expect. All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check. ♪ I don't know, Jesse. I mean, toys are for play, but podcasts. podcasts are for everything. I have to say, I don't like that line, but it's the closest thing to a line in the trailer that you can read from. It feels like a trailer line, right? It's a real trailer line. It feels like a sort of mission statement line. It's a mission statement line. Now, here's what I want to say, and I felt like I had to open with a quote. He's saying tech is for everything, right? Yes, yes. Here's what I want to say to open the episode. Toy Story in five! Oh! We did it! Oh, the sigh emanating from Marie Barty Salinas! Toy Story in five! He's referencing the Knicks, Ben. I got it. The nine Knicks. Toy Story won the movie franchise championship in only five entries. Marie, why so sad? I just want to say that Woody wears cowboy boots. Yes. With spurs on them. Oh. So you're saying he's a San Antonio fan, secretly? Yes, he is. All I'm saying is that Toy Story won. That's all I'm saying. Not that Toy Story, the first movie. I'm saying that Toy Story won the championship. It didn't, just to be clear. It's interesting that you're saying that. Because you're saying there's a movie franchise championship. Ben and I have talked about this. And it's like, what would be the competitors? Is there a more consistent five movie run? I would argue Mission Impossible. I know people don't. But he's going to exclude it because it has more than five? No. Or it has to be five plus? What would you call the five run? One through five. Like, I love two. I'm sorry. I know people don't like two. And you're laughing off the McQuarrie's. What about four through eight, though? Like, you kind of go like the true. We're at eight now? Isn't it eight? Yeah, it was eight. Yeah, it was eight. Oh, Jesus. Okay, well then. You know, because you could do. Four through eight is kind of. I think to me. Obviously, Mission Impossible 3 is sort of a prologue. Right. But like, that's the. It's a wash. To me, that franchise is more impressive. Maintaining quality and. Or you could do three to seven and just be like, and then they had a weird cliffhanger. And they never made another one. Weird. I mean, we do have to live in a world where they botched the ending really badly. Yeah. Now, Griffin. What? Now, take it easy. Just because you want Toy Story to win doesn't mean you have to say that they botched it really badly. They didn't botch it really badly. I think that movie sucks. Who is that? I find that movie so frustrating. He's gonna. Anything we throw at him, he'll be like, actually, turns out it's bad. No, I want to say, I'm ready to be normal about this movie. This is not my favorite movie of the year. We need like a big live. Ready to be normal. Griffin, how many tote bags of merchandise did you bring today? One. I had one already here. We're gonna do some social videos on this. And then how many pieces of Toy Story apparel are you wearing right now? Currently, three. What's the third? You have a hat, a shirt. Oh, the shoes. I got the Adidas before they sold out. That was a multiple alarms drop, I'll have you know. Those are cool shoes. Thank you. You're welcome. Ben's just like, you know what? I'm gonna. I'm just. I'm on board. I'm just on board. I'm about to correct what you're about to ask. Well, no. I'm going to say, Griffin, you have now added a new case to your iPad. Well, I've joined the pond. I'm on the pond. I have a lily pad case. I have smarty pants and I have Snappy here on my desk. I noticed Snappy before. Yeah. This is the lily pad. It's just a case for that. It's just a case for an actual iPad. Right. That makes sense. Because there was a tweet going around that was semi-viral of like, why are they producing the evil toy? It was basically a version of, you know, the classic like, uh, at long last, we've created the torment nexus famous from the novel Do Not Create the Torment Nexus. At long last, we've created the, uh, the lily pad from the famous movie Do Not Create the Lily Pad. Well, because, right. It's like, obviously, you make toys of villains, but this is saying we made the device for real. The device that breaks Bonnie's brain. Yeah, the thing that the movie says is right. It's a flawed, uh, device. Now, I want to clarify, there are two main lily pad toys. There's this, which is just an iPad case that you put your own tablet into. Yeah. So, in that case, don't, don't hate the case, hate the tablet, right? If the tablet's causing psychological damage. Sure. Yeah. The other one is like, a super nerfed down, dumb, like, learn your ABCs, LED tablet. I assume it does not have social networking. They have held off from making anything that dangerous. No, of course not. Yes. Um, but we will, I will give these to you on social, Marie. The snappy I have, the camera character, Breakout, Breakout Star of the new film. Um, it is a functional camera. I have been taking stealth pics the last couple of weeks, including a snappy version of Stavi, of Tracy Letts. I have some very goofy pictures on this low quality digital camera. I can't wait. I can't wait to, how do we get them off? Uh, well, much like in this movie, you got hard wire. You got to plug it in. Wow. The AA gang, they all, they all need cables. Um, oh my God, what was I going to ask you? I had another Toy Story related question. I think we're both just so overwhelmed. Was it do the shoes light up? They don't. You saw a post that the shoes lit up and I want to make it clear those were the child versions and I bought the adult versions. They don't let the adult versions light up. I wonder why. No, thank God I am one size over being a child foot wise. What size? I think I'm seven and a half. It depends on how much flexibility I want wiggle room. I think I'm a men's five. Yeah. Um, what were you going to ask? I was going to ask, how old is Bonnie? Bonnie, she's eight and a half in this film. Okay. And Blaze is five. She's supposed to be about nine, nine and a half. They say she's nine. Yeah. You know, she's eight and a half in this film in Toy Story four. She's starting kindergarten. Someone assumes she's five. Okay. Okay. So three, three years and change. I think it should be illegal for legal. Illegal for eight and a half year olds to text. Well, yeah. Other people, you know, there's Britain's bringing in a band. It's, it's the future of the world. We all saw this film together. Basically like a smartphone band for any kid under 16. It seems to be the sort of future. At one point, David, you screamed, this is a movie. I didn't scream. I whispered it to you. But it was a loud whisper. It was, this movie's about bad parenting. I was, I was feeling a little judgmental about these parents. You were getting worked up. You would have done it differently. I was really upset by how all the kids just talking to strangers on the internet. Yeah. It's just, it's just one of those things where they're like, I don't know. We got out of this thing and I'm like, you know, read the manual before you maybe hand your child a smart tablet. It's like, it's like Club Penguin where you're like, this is a closed loop, safe space only for children. And then of course, there have been 15 years of like Club Penguin lawsuits. Of course. But also Club Penguin was in like the beginning days of this. And this is just, you know, Bonnie's parents. I just have a lot of questions about Bonnie. Love Bonnie. Yeah. Bonnie is a genius. She's an incredible kid. Look, here's the thing that's working against them. They live in a world of sentient toys who are plotting at all times to do all kinds of things. To do all kinds of shit that they don't know about. So that's true. I don't have to deal with that. I have to deal with a lot of stuff as a parent. The toys are not alive and working possibly against me. Yeah, you don't know. I actually do know because I'm a grown up. Yeah. With a rational brain. Yeah. This is a hubris that is going to bite you in the butt when the toys turn out to be alive. Yeah. Okay. It is, it is well established that Bonnie's dad is a dope and the toys love fucking with him in particular. In the fourth one, I feel like that's a big narrative. They find it fun. I mean, they get the cops called on. They almost killed that whole family. Yeah, they're like driving the car and all that in the fourth one. into a crowd of people. Right. I think it is the greatest bit this movie has as a sort of like large global bit across the film. There are four movies where the toys have to be so strategic about what they do to not break the rules of the world. And in this one, they're like, no one's paying attention. No one's paying attention and if they see something, that is their hack a little bit. They'll lie to themselves. Yeah. People are so addicted to computers. It seems like the rules are that they just kind of automatically shut down when they're seen. Well, it's always been true, but I would say they break it more and more. And by this point, they're kind of breaking it a lot. Like, you know, the toys are kind of animate unless they are truly in like the hands of a child. The film points a finger at a lingering question from the first movie, which is, why does Buzz shut down if he thinks he's not a toy? Like, it's a question people have always had in this movie as sort of acknowledge really cool people. Cool, smart people in this movie, some of our greatest minds. Even though Buzz, for some reason, is not blessed with the knowledge that he's a toy that most toys seem to be blessed with, he still has the subconscious need to go limp. And what's the internal logic there? And I don't think they gild the lily pad on that one. I think it's a pretty simple one-line solution. I think I'm going to go. Nope, you're staying. Oh, no. Wait a second. What are these bindings on my hand? This is the bed we made. It's not the bed we made. It is. You said that on a prior stand-in episode. On a prior stand-in episode. One person made the bed. There's one bed maker in the room right now. Although you don't strike me as a person that makes their bed. So rude. You know what? I do like constructing things. No, we mean, we don't mean making a bed out of, like, wood. We mean, like, making your bed, like, pulling the sheets out. The fact that he interpreted that way is all we need to know. Switch telling. Griffin, can I? It depends on the day. It's a big depends on the day. Can I ask you a question? Please. Because I don't think any of us have ever been to where you live. Uh-huh. Right. Do you have, like, novelty sheets no no no no no i have grown up bed sheets i gotta say i'm a little surprised yeah bed threads i can call out the company bed threads i was i was uh always a brooklinen guy and then uh i feel like they haven't sponsored the podcast in a while sorry come on back brooklyn please brooklinen i need to get new a new duvet let's not go there with a very good company called bed threads uh romley gifted me and then i've bought some additional stuff from them okay yeah it's a it's a mature uh brown and cream linen okay it feels still feel very woody coated to me maybe subtly maybe very subtly maybe you can add some like red and yellow throw pillows uh sure kind of like disney bound your bed yeah a bit um ben to answer your question the other toys choose to shut down so as not to be caught right and obviously in the first movie they willingly break the rule because woody reveals himself to be alive to sid in order to save the day right but it feels like it's a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more it feels like it's more like a moral code kind of thing and buzz always would just go into seemingly hyper sleep without it being acknowledged and in this one there is the moment where the human guard comes when they're by the dock the future buzz the tech buzzes the high tech buzzes and they go like why did we just shut down yeah right but they basically say that it's like a defensive protective maneuver in star command programming or whatever okay that they enter like a shutdown mode in self-defense and then they start to unpack what they're doing and they start to you know yeah i think i should buy some more next year i'm trying to remember what uh movie this episode is about oh toy story 5 so what's the podcast blank check with griffin and david i'm griffin i'm david it's a podcast about filmographies directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want and sometimes in one year they make the least existent film of 2026 going straight to hulu this is true no offense to it i mean you know i'm not sure if it's true or not i'm not sure if it's true or not maybe a smidge of offense to it but uh and then within mere months within the blink of an eye one might say yes uh have another movie open over like 150 million dollars domestic it sure seems like it might not hit 200 but it's gonna do a very solid 150 plus it did 17.5 thursday very good preview numbers for a movie that is i don't know if you know this yeah or children it's for children allegedly the only animated film that has beaten that as a thursday preview is incredibles 2 which made 182 open is the current record holder for animated film and it beat it by 1 million yes right that did inside out 2 didn't beat it no yeah inside out 2 was just this incredible moment hold well the hold wasn't but no no it was this moment where everything had been opening poorly and people were like for like three months the box office is dead people were back to like movies are over yes and then inside out 2 was coming out and everyone was like no one even cares about this the trailers have been kind of whatever and then inside out 2 was coming out and then it opened huge and everyone's like oh well all right you know like it was sort of the start of people being like well i guess some stuff does work and then more and more stuff started working and i mean this is kind of turned around yeah toy story 4 had a 12 million preview they were projecting last night that this was doing 13 14 and it came in it came in higher many millions above that so it feels like it's over performing in a year where the box office is doing great and not only that there is a robust variety of different types of movies i love the movie i love the movies we loved a movie there was people pocket watching disclosure day because they were like it feels like they're not even trying to advertise this to gen z and then it opened and in the opening weekend which was above estimates or above projections then they were like oh and look at the exit tracking it was 75 over 30 and i'm like what's the problem one every movie doesn't have to be for everyone right they successfully got 50 year olds to go to the movies agree i there was there's just a really funny post on the blankies right i wanted to find it but it's it's i don't know where it ended up but someone talking about the films of anterostan yes we have we have in the miniseries is of course called pod c pod c uh someone just said that the uh star wars uh the mandalorian and grogu standee had tipped over at their uh and someone just posted the mandaflorian and i just haven't really gotten it that's what it feels like the movies are back in on the like face down and everyone's like who cares there couldn't be a better failure amongst the successes and it's not even that i have spite for that movie but it just represents every bad habit of studio filmmaking for the last 15 20 years even you're not quite beloved but you're some you know masters of the universe which you sort of enjoyed i feel like i haven't seen it yet yeah but like that one too it's just kind of like nope this form this rule book is gonna get tossed like i don't think it's bad for that movie to flop i think it's probably you can't the movie culture yeah and in fact everything i dislike about that movie is the stuff is the formula stuff is the formula that is i think causing it to to fail and that i think we need to get wash out of the system i still think obviously you know it seems spider-man will do well some of these things are gonna well and we're today talking about the fifth film in a and we're talking about toy story 5 which is potentially gonna break records for the franchise is a movie that i think is successful and very enjoyable but you know i don't think it's going to be a good movie i don't think it's going to be a good movie obviously i'm happy you have it and i'm happy people have it easy i don't i don't think it really it does not quite justify its existence if if you you know if you point a gun at me sure i'm like i don't know that it really added enough new that we had to have it but at least it's good and at least it's doing well and it's well made and i'm like i'm kind of basically like it's all good but i wasn't like wow yeah they had a whole you know sort of room in the toy story world that they'd never explored i'm like i don't think it's going to be a good movie we're hitting a lot of the stuff we've thought about before in toy story but that's okay here's what i'll say i think i put the other four above it i rate four much higher than most people i do two you like three less i think i put this over three yeah i just don't like three i re-watched three and four after we saw five and four grew in my estimation i just love four is great but four is very controversial whatever the things on the reddit you would not believe i i would the toy story reddit yeah where people call bonnie a and i quote the normal zone what someone did the anthony i almost said this to ben before the record and then i said i'm when we were in the theater and i was like i'm gonna save this for the on mic response ben is stunned silent i don't think that's acceptable i think that person should apologize i also just want to say that to the cartoon character bonnie before you got here i was telling uh ben and david that i have spent some time on the toy story reddit recently it's been a while since you've been on the toy story reddit and deranged place it's a really it's a really sad place sad and scary i used to be on the bluey reddit because i just wanted to know like when new episodes were dropping and after a little while i was like i think i cannot see even just headlines from this thing anymore these people are out of their mind because three quarters of them are like childless adult here but i love bluey more than i love my own you know family and you're just like oh my god right it's a it's a you know it's a special interest or whatever but like my i wasn't getting like calling a child the c word vibes from the reddit i was getting more like i'm like you know a 30 year old man and i'm trying to decide what which of my toys to bring with me to the theater i would say that's half of the reddit okay i would say that's half and that's the sweet half that's the sweet that's the well intentioned that's the uh that's the emphasis i'd put on that that's the innocuous i'm not saying sweet i'm saying like that's the like oh that's sweet i understand that it's not at least a level but it's maybe a little uh you know the anthony bourdain meme about henry kissinger where it's like you read about what he did and you're gonna want to attack him with a hammer at a restaurant or whatever yes uh people someone recently posted that with bonnie where when you just it's once you've been to cambodia you'll never stop wanting to beat henry kissinger to death with your bare hands is the is the brain line and it was once you read the full you know what it was it wasn't even the full plot breakdown it was that the little golden book had shipped so people were breaking down the spoilers from the story from the children's book adaptation and it was replacement once you read the little golden book adaptation of toy story 5 you'll never stop wanting to beat bonnie to death with a hammer right what they don't why they don't like hate about they're like bonnie is disrespectful to the toys what she's a child who doesn't know they're alive okay all right i think we gotta i'm like we gotta we gotta pivot away from no i'm like actually really upset by all but we said bonnie's a genius they're maniacs on the internet and what they don't understand of course is that andy is a cuck loser and bonnie rocks andy is absolutely a cuck loser with every increasing film andy is found dead in a ditch bonnie is such a champion especially because like the plots of the you know like the first you know the andy movies you know the way he plays well basically pretty uninspired the way they portray bonnie play her imagination it's so fun now i mean i think they also realize oh right that's interesting we should have more and more fun with that you know like depicting the play or whatever but the first two you only see it from the outside there's a bad guy and then woody and buzz fucking kill him evil dr porkchop yeah one i bought one of the baddest guys of all time he's a terrible man well i mean once you read a terrible bank once you read about what evil dr porkchop did you'll never want to stop him to death with a hammer and if you beat him to death with a hammer you'll get a bunch of coins inside of him um Today we're talking Toy Story 5 directed by Andrew Stan, which is a fascinating case. of a fifth film in a franchise directed by someone who's directed none of the previous but has quietly kind of been the author of this whole franchise he's always had a hand yes there is the one he's the author in so many ways he was i mean he's certainly been the dominant trying to erase the participation of one hugging fella yeah here's my thing with lots of hugging lassiter you look at the movies he made where he didn't have everyone working with him and you're like huh where is the juice is that cars is that what we're talking about this car is not even count there but but also like the fucking uh sky dance animated films that he's now overseeing but he's not he's not even directing i think john lassiter was quite vital to the original toy stories i assume no question but stanton was always involved you're saying yes in threes and with three three's the one he's least involved the worst one you know what that was my take re-watching it it it it's so i mean i've i've ranted about it before like i just yeah i think it's a movie that's just like about grown-ups feeling guilty or whatever about growing up whatever and i'm like you need to take a pill and relax like calm down i also think the moment where they're all going to die in the furnace sucks and is ruined by a stupid deus ex machina that makes so bad it makes no sense the whole thing sucks that movie is stupid and now tarantino's out here being like that's the best movie ever made why'd they ever make more please come on our podcast quentin i respect a lot of the movies you've made but he's too busy hanging out in tel aviv yeah that's right maybe someday we'll tell you what movie he almost did on this podcast let's keep but we're not going to talk about it today um it is this weird thing though we're right there's a portion of people who also are just like that is the best ending the franchise will ever have and it is a disgusting david is putting a middle finger up to that person the straw man and then he successfully i'm like pivoted to a straw man here's the thing i like about this movie and this is sort of the the internal battle between the internal battle of what you're saying this is the first one to not even attempt to be an ending since totally right yes exactly four still had that responsibility it seemed where they were like well i guess we'll make it a goodbye to woody people are so upset at the idea that we're ruining the sanctity of the three ending that we need to have an ending that's similarly kind of emotional and built around closure and this one is like who are we fucking kidding you know i probably keep making these as long as they're right dana walden said it's a good idea to have an ending that this is the most streamed franchise on disney plus can confirm from my house right above any other disney pixar marvel star wars thing this is so infinitely valuable to them these characters are so beyond evergreen that this movie does feel in certain ways a little bit more like the toy story shorts and toy story of terror which i love where it's just like let's just have another adventure right yeah basically it's got it's got a defined angle it's a defined angle i think it's smart and it's cleaning up some nerd business it does some good clean up for you nerds yes out there i'm taking my daughter to it on sunday wait what screening are you going to when i think noon because we're going with the earl looks at 11 i thought you were leaving aren't that night red eye no i'm taking her sunday yeah we're going sunday okay well and no i won't be at that one i think it's noon is sorry but um i wonder what she will make of i'm constantly questioning what kids like get out of especially this big tech message of the kind of like kids should play like this not like this because it's like this is a little old for like you know like that i don't know that my daughter has thought too hard so far about like socializing right you know which is a big part of this movie coded in a lot of ways your daughter reminds me of bonnie that that that's totally fair i know what you mean about how she plays but you know this is heady for a five-year-old i'm not sure it'll translate and i'm almost certain and again she's five so like you know she's not the only viewer of this movie that she will not understand the jesse the big jesse plot i think that's going to go completely over her head to the point of confusion interesting but she's seen two yeah she's not going to get it she's not going to get the that like jesse named her daughter after like that's just not going to make sense i love that so much that's that's the one thing in this movie that i didn't like but but we could talk about it that emotionally devastated me and i thought in a way that was not overstated which i appreciate that they didn't make too much of a meal out of the moment and that it's not the ending point yeah yeah that it is a beat it's a beat are you going to name your potential future child after a toy i had always said i was going to name my kids brewster and after a movie brewster and ripley yeah after ellen ripley and brewster mcleod you know after ellen ripley or degenerate that's so true yeah i could i could name my child little or david's mom yeah sure an homage to a great woman if you so choose right i should name my child after david i'm not sure that ripley's i'm trying i'm trying when ripley's first name becomes is ripley's name in the first alien i forget ellen you mean yes i i like does cameron give her for you know what i mean like it's in the first movie like everyone's got like a last name and like you don't really know much about the readout you might i i don't remember yeah in my memory she's she's ellen from the beginning let's find out i'm ellen i mean i think it's definitely harder for young boys to have toys that have like names that you would give your child like bionicle you know like if you call your child bionicle like you get put on a little list for the government you know meanwhile my favorite toy was named samantha parkington which is a totally normal name for a girl bionicle is also not the name of a character okay what are the names of the characters please name a bionicle i'm looking it up uh but i wonder i wonder what she will make it i'm very interested to see i'm very like intrigued to know what what her what her take will be if she has one she also might just kind of be like you know uh that was great like jesse and forky and all my friends were in a movie and i think it's always been the magic of these movies though is that they move fast enough and they're bright enough and there is the sort of cheat code they have of oh you can like explore existence and you can explore existence and you can explore existence and you can explore themes because your movie stars a cowboy a spaceman and a dinosaur like visually you know but it's i do think it's why she she likes three the least because three is the the kind of the slowest and kind of the most about like the experience of grown-ups like so it's a little it's a little it's her least favorite she never asks it's my least favorite i i guess i would i think i do put this above three wow wow i'm like i'm working on it in real time i've certainly i've and it's been a mad rough to see it twice really griffin's seen this movie twice and it technically was released last night yes and i'm i'm only holding two more sets of tickets i also saw it twice i went with with griffin to both screenings yes you sure did you really you're saying this like you're admitting it to the police we walked out of the theater of the previous screening and you said is there a way to see that again before we record because i would like to you didn't say that screening because our screening was uh you know we're recording this a week ago i think we're right when the movie's coming out really enjoyed it and i really connected with the the message of talking about technology yeah yeah totally in our contemporary society what if they make a torture about how podcasts are bad then we're fucked the toy story six is like bonnie's listening to too much podcast toy story six should be the toys start doing a podcast and pretend they're humans right and then but they so they have to like hide their identities and hire actors and people are like trying to push them to pivot to video and they're like oh my god christian i love this yes because it's building off of what we established in toy story five which is now the toys can communicate they can mess i don't think you learn ellen's name until uh the camera one there's no readout there's no like moment where you like see a screen being like dallas ripley you know what i mean so like i think they came up with that later the other characters all have first names they have later given first names but like they're credited just as in the uncredited dallas ripley lambert brett kane hash parker you're looking at the end credits right now and like and like it kind of makes sense because of course famously ripley was sort of written without a gender yes you know and so maybe they you know didn't even think about it i think most of the characters were sort of that was yeah that was the idea no gender no race or whatever right and then like obviously in cameron's film he's like no she's a mother she's you know we're gonna get into all of this uh and she has a first name but even in the aliens i mean how many times does she say like i'm ellen like does she say that to newt like i think she says i'm ripley every time the dj drops a track and she does a little dance to welcome her next guest she goes i'm ellen okay before we lose this ellen centric series when you think about all the doors i wonder why yeah uh yes go ahead you're discussing how your daughter's gonna react i wonder yeah and i i'm wondering just like with her and kids overall how is the screen time of it all gonna connect questions like what is your daughter's relationship to tech uh she watches uh tv on an ipad and she knows that we often are like that's enough tv on the ipad i would say that is her only relationship she doesn't do anything else on the ipad no she doesn't even really know how to use the ipad like i know that that happens at a certain point that they kind of like start to be like oh i get that if i you know yeah scroll over to this and press this i can i can read political the most she can which she loves pro publica and i'm just like no like you know you can't read that stuff like daily wire that's where you're gonna get your news news max right no she doesn't even know she knows that if she she knows how to press a button to make the next episode play okay that's the most she's learned so far yeah you know when freaking peppa pig is you know been spooling up what is the the angle on peppa why is that stuck around i don't see the appeal i don't either yeah i'm not a fan i don't know she's she's peppa herself yeah she's all right she seems like a nice girl she's a bit naughty oh okay well now interesting she's a troublemaker she likes jumping in muddy puddles yeah so there you go i get it now i get it now it's just one of those things in peppa pig where she's like what do you like and i'm i'm like making eggs in the you know for everyone and i'm just like i like mopping in muddy puddles i'm like saying it to myself like it's all she fucking that she says it every time she does like her catchphrase it's like i'm peppa pig and i like jumping in muddy puddles yeah i just really respect that they're that the animation style for peppa pig is so crude yeah it sure is it's an interesting design style i love that it's got as we're getting more and more like uncanny valley shit like well yeah that right i don't i don't truck with the right the weirdly like low-stake cgi human people that sucks well my friend spike often refers to as a cartoon shows that look like shampoo bottles exactly exactly exactly just human slop whatever you want to like peppa pig yes i'm like this is artfully made in its way and it's got its bit and i find it a little grating but i'm not like this is evil like cocomelon or whatever i'm like it's fine yeah they're british from what what kind of region what's their accent sort of live in the countryside okay i also just find the dad kind of annoying i don't like that he's kind of a buffoon i don't like that he has the hair i don't like the hairs either it makes sense because he's a pig on his chinny chin chin exactly he's got the kind of like spiky hair yeah i don't like it yeah ben likes it i'm you know i'm so you know i'm a bluey loyalist and bluey is just so much better than peppa but peppa's fine you know she's fine i like peppa i like gabby like i mean i don't like gabby like i don't like gabby isn't like gabby's dollhouse yeah but i mean like my daughter likes gabby and i'm like fine she's all right yeah exactly it's a little like a little loud when you leave the room gabby's like listen they're out to get us the great replacement theory i guess that wouldn't make sense for gabby of color yeah right right ben as someone who's going to you know start a family in the future like screen time is really something that like terrifies me is like same i'm like do i become ted kaczynski the minute i have children why not just moderate why why must you be ted kaczynski all of a sudden i mean as a parent i really am interested it's not that hard it's not hard now because she can't read well she's getting there but yeah sure but what's gonna get harder when she's like you just don't let him have the tablets but it's the way that so upset by the group chat yes it's really it really though affected me yeah it made me feel like so much empathy especially for younger generations and that this is just from day one they're growing up with dealing with all of this i i i will say just to provide the more measured take as the only parent in the room i think that the worst of it kind of already happened when there were parents who had no experience of their own with i think you're right and we're kind of just letting kids because it's like oh your friends have a cell phone you can have one too and now there's a lot more awareness and like my parent generation is a lot more kind of like those things are like cigarettes like you know we're gonna keep them away as long as possible right awesome not addictive makes you badass anytime doctors recommend um no like there's just a lot more hyper awareness about that your kid you know obviously this movie depicts essentially like very low stakes but mean bullying right and like your kid will experience social stuff at school anyway that sucks but yeah obviously nobody should be socially networked i shouldn't be none of us should no one should barely be so you see how they behave if this movie had been made 10 years ago with this subject matter it would have been a nightmare i think this is the right point to make it because of what you're saying where we are in the cultural bell curve and it's sort of in this like we've all now kind of engaged with the worst of what this can be it's also not going anywhere i i always say this to like my friends who i made on twitter including this loser this is true the podcast wouldn't exist like i'm like i'm like in the future gonna say to my daughter like oh yeah you know i made all these friends on twitter and she'll be like the website that's illegal that elected donald trump that's like in history books is like you know a low point in society i'm like yeah but you know sometimes like there'd be good memes there's a lot of funny stuff on there was there yeah you don't even know about horse ebooks oh my god horse oh my god oh my god and she'll and it'll be like you know when our parents are like oh yeah back in the day you would just leave the house at the age of five with a gun right you know you just you just get on your horse and ride into the woods and the parents assumed they'd see you later you do a quick stand by me you learn something from it what was everyone's screen names uh i was a brother fallout i still am in a lot of things yeah brother fallout that's me but when i was really young my first my hotmail address was king dazza 2000 yeah there you go this is what i'm talking about that's uh they let a 13 year old pick his own email yeah right uh it came up in our recent patreon episode but after the release of a bug's life i was briefly flick lover 98 that's a little preview for free and the full discussion can be found on patreon.com please subscribe please subscribe um but then i very quickly pivoted to i am a fool are you one two oh yes what's that is that a song lyric or something it was a bit from a i think mad magazine had like a counterfeit money drawing and that was the serial number on it and i thought it was really funny i am a fool spelled out and then letter r letter u number one number two which when i got older read as i'm a fool are you 12 um and then of course in high school i changed it to fly booster fly yeah right that's it and that's which was my original twit right twitter twit twit handle david's opening five at the loudest bag i need some can we get that papa john's order in yeah oh yeah so marie and i are going to record some social videos after this uh terrible what are they what are you cookie dough bite cookie dough bites no thank you uh papa john's has three promotional pizzas right now and i'm going to make a video about that in the next video i will read them space ranger roni an intergalactic pizza mission awaits this out of this world personal pizza that's what makes it intergalactic that's out of this world has double pepperoni cheese and pizza sauce and original crust served with rootin tootin ranch so the pizza itself sounds pretty normal other than of course that hyper special rootin to the rootin tootin ranch okay then we got reach for the pie this ain't just any not bad not bad at all this ain't just any personal pizza it's got italian sausage banana peppers cheese and pizza sauce served with you guessed it rootin tootin ranch only in u.s markets and then the third pie is sheriff's roundup this personal pizza's got grilled chicken onions cheese and barbecue sauce on original crust and interestingly enough it comes with a side of let me check my notes here rootin tootin ranch only in the u.s and canada it's replaced with special garlic you guessed it frank stallone can you guessed it rootin tootin ranch be my new you guessed it frank stallone with any cast list that's good i'll have the uh the one with the banana peppers please we're getting all three okay great now we're gonna get them all i'm just trying to figure out how how to order okay so sorry just to go back to this my my screen i had several screen names one of them was clothes lover 13 like clothes like one wears on one's body yeah because i was into fashion and then punky monkey oh no stuck around for a while that was that was like when i got into green and uh it was a combination of green day and uh god what was the name of the paul frank paul frank julius the monkey the monkey yeah wasn't his name julius yeah but i just was i had all of that fucking shit this makes sense this checks out yeah so it was a combination combining my two interests and ben hosley i had briefly cyber ben 85 that's that's great off of the net straight that's really good and we'll be covering the net one day when we do a john avnet series i think there's a way to do a fun cyber crime cyber cyber series okay sort of 90s cyber hackers hackers lawnmower man you know do we put antitrust in there you want never seen that virtuosity i'm starting our order you're oh yeah excuse me i'm doing the order because i i have a i have an account just tell me what you're getting though because how many are we getting here i'm getting guys right now i get four you get four yeah people in this okay so they're personal they're personal there's a toy story five create your own personal oh interesting yeah let's uh all right now can we get the root and tootin ranch though oh we can okay i think our listeners are gonna love i'm sorry i haven't i haven't had papa johnson god knows how long you can get alfredo sauce on the side of your pizza what kind of fucked up individual is like you know what this thing that has cheese in it really needs a little bit more of what kind of fucked up individual his name is popper john schlatter we know he's one of the most fucked up men alive he is a smidge pizzas a day no you know what griff just get get two of the space ranger ronies okay because that one's the most appealing to me anyway okay so maybe try and guide us back to talking about the movie and like the tech of it all like how did the message hit with you guys it's portraying like well let me let me zoom out for a second here if i may so toy story 4 is very successful very successful although i feel like not quite the barns born burner they wanted it we've talked about a lot of money it made basically the exact same amount of money as three yeah right but there had been this but it had been a long time since three obviously in between three and four finding dory comes out has a huge growth from finding emo incredibles 2 comes out has a huge growth it made a good 250 mil less than incredibles 2 and it was sort of like isn't toy story the number one franchise that was the thing it was like does toy story actually have a ceiling and three established it right and now it's sort of flat here but these characters endure uh they want to make another they make money i mean right andrew stan has said basically that he they went to him and said do you have any ideas for five wow and he said let me sit in a room and see if i can come up with something and if something actually excites me i might noodle with it and he was like i wasn't gunning to make a fifth toy story movie but i didn't like the idea of anyone else doing it right and he said i sat down and the two things i thought of immediately were how do they react to tech and what if there was an island of 50 buzz layers he had that idea immediately and this is the thing he's always said which is and this is why i'm saying like not that i'm taking away john lasser's credit as a director on the first two movies but that he has been the main screenwriter of all but three stan is the guy who writes the text of these characters and most of the big ideas tend to trace back to stan including forky our greatest friend right who marie has constructed and placed on her desk yeah so david's wife is sitting on my desk right now she is very very quietly and respectfully um and so he he built from there and then once he had written the script he was like this is what i find interesting if you guys want to make this i'd happily direct this if this is too weird for you totally understand he goes ahead and makes it he appoints uh kenna harris to be his co-director and he's like i'm going to do this i'm going to do this which we've talked about is kind of an apprentice position but really tried to elevate them on this film and they have a co-writing credit on correct um and said that he felt like i don't want to just be like a dude in his 50s or 60s like steam rolling this franchise i need to get like a younger voice in here i need someone who grew up with these movies and now works at pixar and sort of talked about it as a woody jesse uh dynamic and the two of them have said that when they started writing it they were much more kind of binding and they were much more kind of binding and they were much of well tech is bad and the movie is about them defeating tech and they said they kept getting to like the halfway point of the script and realizing lily pad's a really uninteresting character if all of what drives her is get rid of the fucking toys right and so they had the hook of well what is what drives lily pad she thinks that she's actually better for bonnie than the toys are she thinks they're outmoded but she's still serving the same function which is to help her connect it would be different if she was actively like i want to ruin a kid's life you would kind of be like this doesn't that kind of breaks the the sort of universe because like the toys are always ostensibly there to serve the child they know that that's their sort of deep purpose or whatever i think it was more that she's so against the toys that she doesn't even notice that she's harming bonnie was the kind of thing if if that ran throughout the entire movie they found it dramatically flat of course and i was i was as the movie was starting up i was kind of like oh boy it's just them fighting a thing because then it's just right that was my greatest concern from the trailers and i heard them say that in an interview and i felt a little relieved and i do think that's the smartest thing the movie does is like you're not beating tech it's here to stay yes there are there is good that can come from it right i would say as a parent i've already encountered people who are trying to like keep their kid from ever looking at a screen impossible and it's just sort of like well that's silly yes and in my opinion i'm not you know i know people are very very ted kaczynski yeah that's what i'm moving to a touchy about parenting but like every school has like a smart board my wife's a teacher she uses a smart board smart boards are screens um this is like a smart blackboard basically exactly it's like you know it's become the default in a school it's just like you know they can put lots of things on it they can put you know just stuff they've written on it but they could also show you a video once in a while or whatever and i'm like we all watched videos in class like this is not this is just a smoother wheeled in yeah this is a streamlined way of a thing and it's just like you know it's just like you know it's just a thing that's always existed but there are some parents who are so worried about screens that i you know they're just like well i really don't want my kid to really ever look at a screen and it's kind of like well that's ridiculous we live in a society right yes and i was happy this movie right did not just charge at this as like well tech's evil and kids should never like yeah you know like and like it's a right it's a war we're gonna fight there's absolutely balance but i as an adult will say that i not been participating in social media no you were good at it i i don't know when i hit that point as we often would say maybe the only person who knew how to do social media correct i would just check in from time to time but at this point i just yeah i'm really off it uh it just makes me feel bad it is really funny that your twitter uh profile picture is still a picture of your pierced ear that is see this is what we're saying good at it and i also feel like too with just like the texting of it all and how that's become so much more prevalent in our lives yeah i struggle with it i really do i do as well i find that it overwhelming and i find that lately i've been really struggling to even just keep up with it i like kind of just can't deal with this see i enjoy texting because it's social so it kind of like it feeds my extrovert energy of like i like to have social contact i enjoy texting just fine i mostly use it to bully eight-year-olds obviously so like yeah the movie resonated for me in that regard david's on the pond all the time he's playing what's it called frog rush or i can't say i remember turtle rush maybe yeah turtle so it was a tag or something turtle tag maybe yeah but i hear you i mean you know it's what they call like frictionlessness right like it is bad anything that's frictionless is increasingly just like this is a big thing in gambling right it's like it's different if you go to a place you gamble some money like that's not a big deal it's not a big deal it's not a big deal it's not a big deal it's not like we're not saying like that's that can be harmful and that can make people crazy but like if you can just kind of like bet a thousand dollars by going like boop like it's a little too easy there's no friction and then suddenly you can get yourself very hooked very quickly my uh colleague mckay coppins you know uh the atlantic who is mormon and thus banned from gambling wrote a whole article about how basically the atlantic were like what if we staked you 10 grand to see what happens if you start gambling on your phone like just to explore this new thing and he got fucking addicted like oh my god he's fine but like he writes about like yeah man like very quickly like i was like going to the bathroom to check my phone to like you know like look at the day because it's serotonin hit of course and it's too easy too easy and it doesn't feel real obviously right so especially with your kids you worry about uh you know exposing it yeah yeah i i think this movie has kind of the right balance of those things and i think a problem that the toy story franchise has is that it's not a problem it's not a problem it's not a problem is that two which i like as much as any movie ever made is reaches such a satisfying dramatic point which is woody and buzz have come to an understanding of their own inevitability yes it's why it's why three irritates me yeah two and five i think you will agree basically has the same ending as two it's jesse having the realization or whatever but it's the same thing where they're growing up it's about the journey you know that we all have to accept that and we're gonna have a great time while we're being played with and like that's what it's all about baby then of course three just makes the huge mistake of being like in my opinion the huge mistake of being like well so much time has passed we should explore what happens when andy is older and has to give away the toys i'm like i don't know or you could do what five does where it's just like i don't know bonnie's still a kid who cares well three i think the thing i bump on in three is that it feels like it's kind of taking subtext from the first movie the first two movies and making a text right and b it is um a lot of it's a double beat of of one and two it's stuff that the characters have like come to understand but now they're facing it right and it's less interesting because they've already expressed their understanding of what's coming for them and i know they've always said about three where it's like well but it's different to say you understand what's happening and then to actually live through it they say in three right that's like that's like the line right right i think what's different in this and what i liked about it and i thought was a good distinction is jesse's kind of crisis is does it even matter it's not like is it coming to an end because she has this thing of like i've been through two kids already i know that this ends what i'm questioning now is it's less about are we going to be thrown away and does that make me feel useless it's more about whatever they sort of serve as an idea and this gets into the sort of stretchiness of the toy story metaphor of like how are toys supposed to help a kid she's like are we oblivious and is this kid suffering and am I going to be forgotten and there's just like no impact. And I think to a certain degree, I was saying to Ben, I think, you know, the Toy Story movies change what they map onto. Like what I like about Toy Story is that they're always 50% literally just about what if you were a toy, like exploring the internal logic of that and the comedic and the dramatic possibilities. And then the other 50% and Jane Nicholson did a great video about this when Toy Story 4 came out is they don't all ascribe to the same kind of mapped metaphor. One is sort of about being a child. Two is sort of about being a parent. I think three is more about religion. Four is about retirement. I'm lost. But yeah, three is about religion? Well, I think it's about like the idea of reckoning with a god who has abandoned you, but it's also about reincarnation and new ownership. I thought it was. And Lotso is like a cult. Sure, okay. I mean, I thought it was like, wouldn't it be cool if we did like a prison escape movie with Toy Story 4? Yeah, that's the best stuff in the movie. My problem with Pixar, as I say in my review, it's not just Toy Story, it's Inside Out, it's. Inside Out and Toy Story are the biggest culprits. There's other ones that I'll. Is there like. Well, this inanimate thing is alive and you should feel guilty that you're killing them by ignoring them. And like, it's something I struggle with very much in the Toy Story movies and it's why I don't like the Jessie plot in 2 where she's like, I was abandoned by my owner. And I'm like, no, your owner, you grew up like a normal person and stopped using toys. And Jessie's like, I was killed. That can still hurt. I'm traumatized. She's not saying she's killed. There's a difference between saying I'm traumatized because that hurt me and saying I was killed. She's not killed. The movie presents it as a traumatic, horrible thing that happened to her when toys leave her, like, dresser and she has normal things teenage girls have. Clothes and makeup and things. And the movie just. I have always. I ranted about this on the Patreon. It irks me. It really drives me crazy. I think we're just hearing a lot of guilt you have. Yeah, exactly. Unprocessed guilt. This is what a guilty man would say. Obviously, the most audacious thing they ever did was Inside Out where they're like, when you forget about an imaginary friend you had when you were a kid, that's murder. He's dead. You're just like, I'm sorry. I didn't realize he had feelings. I have the exact opposite read of these things, which is I think they're about the sort of existential dread of being in a universe that doesn't consider that you have consciousness and so these things are not being done to you in a way that is hurtful. These things are being done to you out of, like, obliviousness. But this is not real. I think there's. All these aren't real. It's a dramatic conceit. There's a nice sentimentality to it. It's gentle. Well, it should be. Right. But then, like, Jesse's like, I can't do it. You know, like, when you're like, right, she's like a whole person. And that's why I like 4 because it's kind of about, like, should we reckon that these are conscious beings? Yeah. Like, but that's, I assume, also why fans got mad at it where it's like, well, now we're just sort of breaking the convention because it's like, what, now Woody can just kind of live where he wants? But that's the distinction to me. Like, is he even a toy? I feel like what you're describing falls a little more into Velveteen Rabbit territory, which is like. Sure, that's right. The ultimate original guilt trip. Right. Like, you're just teaching your child, like, right, when you stop loving your toy, like, it's sad. You literally killed him. He's thrown on the fire because you infected him with your human sickness. Right? Like, that's what that is. Oh, God, I'll never read my kid that fucking evil book. I'll tell you that much. What I've always loved about Toy Story is, right, that's the metaphorical element where you were sort of discussing, right, and how it relates to, like, the human condition. And then the other 50% of it is quietly this sort of bizarre sci-fi premise. Right, which I like. Why are they alive? Right, and what is it? What's the outer boundary? Are they immortal? Like, they don't need food or air. No. But, they can be destroyed. Yes. Like, and then they're dead? Right. I guess, if they are destroyed. I think it's just. And also, if you put them in a box, they're sort of like, they're not quite dead, but they seem to basically kind of go coma. There's also the Forky of it all, where. Well, then, Forky, the greatest character of all. You become a toy if you are played with. Yes. Like, he's made by a child and he is the child's plaything, so thus, he is cursed with consciousness. Right, right. Like, you know, and, you know, why I love Forky is he's like, mm, I reject consciousness. I wish to be trash. I'm trash. Right. Trash is warm. Trash is safe. I'm wearing a Forky t-shirt that says, love is trash, which is, of course, against the message of this movie, which is Forky is happily married, although, of course, there are struggles in a relationship. There are, although, to Forky, trash is good, so maybe love is trash is a positive message for him. You know what? You're right. That's a very positive read on my t-shirt. Right? Like, he likes trash. Yeah. He's pro-trash. He is trash. He is trash. He's made of trash. He's made of trash. He's pro-trash. His wife is trash. I have a question for you, Griffin, because before. Just wife's name again? Karen Beverly, duh. This is the great bit, is that Forky is, of course, a spork. Yes. They made him, they designed him, they showed him to the child of a Pixar employee, and they said, what would you name this character? And the child said, Forky. And they went, it's funnier that the kid gets the utensil wrong, right? Of course. And then they similarly designed Karen Beverly, and they went, this kid's gonna name her Knifey. And they said, what's her name? And the kid said, Karen Beverly. Pretty funny. And so that's why they were just like. That is the mind of a kid. Go with the logic of what an actual kid would do. Don't explain it. Absolutely. Forky, so you had like a list of topics you wanted to address on this episode, one of which was Forky's status as a gay icon within the Disney. Forky has become a queer icon. There's a lot of Forky pride stuff. Is that so? Which I've been fascinated by. Your shirt that says love is trash has a big rainbow on it. So he's got a rainbow on his foot. Oh, you're right. There's a rainbow sticker on his foot. That's why Forky's. This is what I'm trying to figure out because. LGBTQ Fork icon? There is so much Forky pride merch. And it's not just Forky with a rainbow on its foot. But why? It's like Forky holding a pride flag. Is it like it's just the Babadook where they were just kind of like, I don't know. We just decided. He's ours. We claim him. He's speaking to the culture in some way. And speaking of cultures and respectful relationships to cultures through the Toy Story franchise. Oh, yes. Marie, of course, on her trip to Japan got for me one of my grails. It's Samurai Woody the Cowboy. Which Ben has on his desk. You've been added to. And we're going to pull the string. Which I promise them is not offensive. Yeah. Okay. He said something in Japanese. He did. Do we know that is he saying like. Did you hear the samurai That had a samurai effect. I was. Is he. Sounds sort of out of breath on that one. That's very Tom Hanks. Is he saying the classic Woody phrases or is he saying something completely different? I guess that's my question. Reach for the sky, samurai sword. Right. I don't know. If anyone. If any of our listeners. Like, is he saying there's a snake in my boot? You know what? I should record these and send them to Weiger and get him to translate. Can Weiger speak Japanese? Yeah. We found this out recently. Wait, what? When Weiger went to Japan, he's like, of course, I'm bilingual. For him? Yeah. You're my favorite deputy. Hey, buddy. It's Weiger. Thanks to Griffin for the shout out. I don't want to overstate my proficiency with the Japanese language, but I have been learning and I. A big part of that has been my studies with my tutor. So because my tutor is also a professional translator, I figured we just throw her into the mix and see if she can help us puzzle these out. Konnichiwa, Tanaka-sensei. Konnichiwa. So are you familiar with the Toy Story franchise? Oh, yeah. I've seen it. Yes. Did you see Toy Story 5, the most recent entry? Not yet. You, of course, know Woody, the cowboy, the protagonist of this series. Yes. There is a samurai Woody toy and it has some lines of dialogue. And so I'm going to play these for you one at a time. Okay. And then if you can just talk them through what your translation might be. Okay. So here we go. Chotto mata oi yamero. He said, chotto mata oi yamero. Chotto is little. Mata, wait. Yamero, stop it. So he say, wait a little, stop. Got it. Yes. Would you have any idea with the content? Like, is that a common Japanese phrase you might say? Chotto mata yamero. I wouldn't say it because it's masculine. Yamero, when do I say that? Can you stop if somebody was, I don't know, pulling my hair or something? I don't know. Oh, so I wonder if what's happening is that's Woody the doll kind of being like, hey, stop pulling my string. Something. Do you think it's maybe? Okay. So that's a little bit of a fourth wall breaky there and directly addressing the person playing with the doll as if they are the toy. Maybe. Okay. All right. Next up. Let's listen to this one. And again, it's the samurai Woody. So we have that little sword clash at the end. Yes. He said, So this is, this is like bullseye run like the wind is like that's, that's like his, he's right like the wind. I guess his way is what they would do with say in English. Yes. So this is like the thing he would say to his horse. And this, this is a Woody catchphrase. You know, the horse bullseye, he's in, he's a, he appears in the second one when Woody has a bunch of, of um additional friends i see that's unnecessary context but there you go all right let's see uh let's see what this third one is okay what is being said there he said oh stop it stop it i'm telling you to stop it so again scolding the person pulling his string something yeah he's telling somebody to stop something whatever they're doing there again it's directly addressing the kid which you would not do unless you were trying to scare them uh yeah i mean if you're samurai i don't know yeah that sounds the point is it doesn't feel samurai specific right yeah it doesn't have a samurai spirit in it okay all right well we got one more he said you beat me uh dirty hand you use dirty hand so he you used a dirty hand wait does does this mean a literal dirty hand like the child is filthy no like uh you know when you compete you do it right and sometimes they cheat oh okay that was like whoever was doing something dirty was using like a cheating like a dirty trick yeah that's what we might might say in english got it yeah this is a kid's toy though this is a child's toy i mean perhaps the samurai theming is meant to age it up a little bit but i i don't know it it it seems it seems like only one of these is at all specific to woody as we know him which is his ride like the wind line wait toy story five was shot in japan no it's there's not really a japanese connection it just this is this toy just happens to exist oh got it well aiko thank you so much uh before we uh before we get to the before we go i i i did want to add this is a movie podcast um and you are in addition to being a translator and an excellent teacher you are an actor and a comedian and in fact you played one of the cowgirls at the starting line in the film the fast and the furious tokyo drift yes your line was seto is it yeah so uh we supposed to start the race yeah somebody else says my friend kyla says ready i says seto another person said go because as you know in japanese is set is seto we have to enunciate the vowel but people are complaining they're like she's saying set go she's saying it wrong i'm like i don't think universal studio would publish the movie with my you know right yeah but i lost the voice i don't think my voice was right i think they might have done uh adr got it because i lost the voice because so much fume and gas do you have any any any specific story you remember from your time uh because you have a you're you have a couple of scenes one of them is with vin diesel i'm not sure if he was actually there i was with um uh just uh rapper actor little bow wow yes yeah and he's my size but he was so popular like all these women were around him so i was really shocked by that like a short king he's a short king and he was just so popular so shocked like toy story a franchise that will be around for a long time uh aiko thank you so much uh thank you there you go not really very illuminating clips don't seem to be in character for woody and frankly don't make a lot of sense seem to mostly be scolding children for playing with a toy uh improperly um anyway my review of toy story 5 uh bonnie's mom thicker than a hand spun milkshake bye buddy there's a snake in my boot it's many mysteries to that man the greatest man there ever was yeah number one person tied with mike mitchell sure of course let's not forget he's gonna be mike mitch is gonna be so angry about it he's gonna be so angry about it he's gonna be so angry about it about the three seconds where we said weiger was number one luckily he never uh does mike does does mitch speak any other languages besides english uh boston boston boston yeah right uh yeah no i couldn't think of a better joke yeah okay so this movie the plot what is it it opens i love the opening of this film it opens with uh a desert island yeah that's right i forgot about that first person pov inside the buzz light your helmet a cargo uh right okay yes okay here he is you you scan the wreckage you hear the breathing it's similar to buzz's awakening in the first toy story right but then you see right like a cargo ship that's turned over the beach is littered with buzz light years and they all start to turn on and activate and these are the new high-tech buzzes right these are wi-fi enabled buzzes that look very much like the original buzz but have kind of a shiny job and they've got a device in their chest their symbol glows yeah they're a little screen they've like everything's got the internet kind of screened out and they're and they function as like i don't know they are lesion they are it's kind of like a hive mind they have a horrible situation and you just have this thing of all of them like waking up and waking each other up like very lost post-crash like are you okay they don't really have language yet no they don't speak it cuts to them at night like this is already a surprising cut to just be like where are we in this how much of this were you prepared for because i assume you've been you've been scanning the leaks and the rumors yeah yeah right because i had no i knew the movie had an ipad say also i believe they screened this opening at cinema con last year like they had this done sure and so a year ago there were some stories that were people like the opening of toy story 5 is really bizarre i'm curious to see what this movie is now because i was not expecting this um it's an mma fight and yeah not mma sorry wrestling it starts with an aw wrestler kicking yeah i want to say someone in the reddit because i may i'm just caught me he's just trying to make sure you're looking at him like he's a little person and i'm like yeah ben's glowing um sweetie look at that uh what was the thing i was gonna say oh uh people were calling out that i said aew instead of wwe in the disclosure day episode sure and they were kind of calling it out positively no just that i used a different specific that i didn't go for the most obvious wrestling uh league and they said like how funny would it be if griffin got really into wrestling and went to the ae w all or nothing i want people to know i fucking went you went with a singer right i went with matt singer brendan mcdonald friends of the show they took me to my first ever wrestling event it was really fun and i sat next to a blankie who bought me drinks and a t-shirt i just want people to know i had a great fucking time and i like orange cassidy is this gonna be your sport now i feel like you've always had a little closer to theater wrestling it is right and that's why it's sketch comedy let's let's call it what it is athletic sketch comedy it's very athletic they're impressive they do all kinds of crazy stunts and you know orange cassidy's bit is that he's a guy who's sort of like too cool to wrestle so he shows up wearing a canadian tuxedo and sunglasses his hands in his pockets and he does crazy moves refusing to take his hands out of his pockets because he doesn't want to show any effort right it's a pretty funny bit um buzz light years all make a campsite they make a fire then they look up at the night sky they see stars and they start remembering star command i think this is such a funny bit such a good bit that the movie finds a way to like exploit like seven different ways across the runtime i just feel like they could have shouted out light year more you know it's an important movie it's part of the canon but david these are the toys not the man that the toys are based on i'm just waiting light year two do you know do you know i have it on good authority that they had a trilogy planned of course they i mean that makes sense i'm sure they thought it was going to be a big deal and the second movie we add the aliens right oh like the like the clock are the aliens not in this one the first time i saw it i thought they were not in it at all and this time i looked they're in some of the group shots early but they're like even when they go to the garage it's enough they're not in the box yeah yeah yeah they've had their time it's cool how the buzzes are able to climb up the crane by like climbing i love seeing the action of of these new buzzes i like that yes they can they can sort of form like larger shapes in the i was a little like afraid of them i think they're too powerful yeah sure let's stop them yeah i think we need to stop them i think they can be weaponized they're drones well i think look the limitless like you can't hurt you can't you'll hurt yourself thinking about it these toys have access to the internet now they're sentient beings they seemingly can do all kinds of things online without us knowing wait are they on our reddit commenting well this is the thing i actually i actually discussed this with someone yeah and i was like it's something the movie doesn't want to deal with and that's fine but i was like if toys were talking to each other on the internet as they basically do in this that's actually creating a paper trail which i feel like kind of violates their we can't be seen being alive it's like at a certain point the government might kind of be like hey like it's gonna become an x file other beings talking on these apps like what is this but that's already started in three i mean tricks See, the Kristen Schaal character does have a texting relationship with other toys. Yeah. she's emailing at least yeah uh trixie i feel is the most marie like of all of the characters she doesn't really she has like a line in this maybe she's got a couple jokes she does like jeff garland's character is silenced unsurprisingly he is still silenced for speaking the truth on how he wanted to hug people as well or whatever it is he did uh he kept saying ow my vagina on set that was his joke um who do you relate to the most uh rex no no well in the early films it was jesse and then forky i i unsurprisingly relate very hard to my face when i learned jeff garland was not gonna voice anyone in this movie what is it that you're showing the uncanny valley they made like a cgi jeff garland for like the finale of the goldbergs because they'd already fired him but like they didn't want to like kill the dad off i think they did am i wrong in thinking they did one season post his death like post the character death i don't think but that was to finish off the season they already had shot i'm not even sure that he died though or did they just kind of like you know say like he's on vacation my memory is that i'm not in uh let me yes he died yeah off season right like yeah but he was used for a graduation episode in season nine right and they had fired there was a season 10 where wendy mclovin covey got like a big pay raise deservedly so funny because she became the only parent but now show us your impression you're about to go into it but yeah marie can you take a picture of this uh no he's not facing me you gotta face me um basically he uh was uh so annoying and would just make hypersexual jokes all the time to the cast and crew that for years they built what i'm getting it's funny for years they did a thing where they basically would shoot him out of every episode in one day isolated from most other actors and then finally it got like that's too extreme but they had a bunch of episodes that already had been written with the assumption they'd get the one day out of him for the end of that season so they finished it with weird cgi and i think they threw in some outtakes and some whatever you know like they they did what they they patched together he doesn't talk in this uh the potato heads have been recast they also only have a couple lines i think this is kind of smart and i heard stanton and harris talk about this where they were like the cast has gotten too big it's an embarrassment of riches sure anytime we cut to the bonnie's room yeah we're gonna cut to the bonnie's room and we're gonna cut to the we try to put them all in the same frame so you can at least see everyone yeah but like realistically everyone's getting three lines in this movie outside of our main cast totally who do you relate to or who do you feel like you are in this universe uh you are so pete you're so she's like i'm fucking survivor uh griff you're the toy story expert here is there a is there a david coded toy story character uh then i'm not saying i'm not thinking too hard about sometimes that potato head i was gonna say potato head i'm a married spud i'm a married spud he's too grumpy i actually like potato head in the early movies i'm kind of like can you fucking relax once in a while like he's always so down on he sure is he loves his wife he does he's got three children yes the monkeys the aliens oh the aliens the monkeys are in his butt right the monkeys are in his butt uh they're all important a little bit of ham i think sure i don't know at all him in those early movies is also kind of just like kind of an ombudsman type like he's always kind of in the mix and organizing and stuff i don't know ratzenberger was always of course the pixar good luck charm he was in every film and then since lassiter was ousted he stopped doing them and sure i did notice that his billing is very low on this movie does he have a line ham says something he says a couple things and i was like that's really similar to a joke from three or that's really similar to joke from force i am wondering if don rickles style they did just use outtakes for him on this one and pay him and he wouldn't come in um yeah it's pure speculation on my part but i noticed that the the billing order the end credits was not alphabetical and he was all the way down at the bottom yeah well he noticed he noticed something over here yes did you make a post on the toy story reddit about this no i refuse to engage with that place good for you it's a place for heathens and maniacs i'm duke kaboom you are not you're not duke kaboom that's you're not duke kaboom why not because duke kaboom is like a failure wow with an inflated ego you know yeah but he's you know he's come low and he's come i guess i'm not really you're not duke we love him but you're not duke kaboom okay i'm um just trying to think of characters i'm the doll from four what's her name dolly yeah you are kind of gabby girl she's kind of like lost in her right like she's never been able to escape high school even away you know what i mean like she's one of those people who's just kind of watching the mets on her laptop yeah love the mets like when was last night beat the phillies david's wearing that i don't care about the phillies let's go mets um just to finish this uh uh loop timothy dalton not back as prickle pants who gets a couple good jokes i didn't notice that was he not in four either i feel like he had he not departed the role already he was in four and in toy story of terror he someone else voiced the character for forky asked a question and it's a different guy who's doing it for this right and i looked up this guy and i was like what do i know this guy from and the answer is he played jeffrey epstein in the netflix movie about the prince andrew interview which is when i watched that film it's a non-speaking role i was like this is the worst role you could ever have as an actor you are just physical double for jeffrey epstein in close-ups non-speaking walking through central park with prince andrew can i just read a great um great ben hosley tweet out please i've just been scrolling through his one of our finest this is from april 2021 vanity license plate that says fang god he's so he never misses we're so lucky to have him and he never misses ben can you talk about some of the things you liked about this movie because i feel like you you were surprised by how pro you were great jokes i thought this was really funny um the parents when bonnie and blaze are finally connecting towards the end and the parents are watching and when they start to come in they're like get out of here act normal this is ben's favorite moment he like he did the leo point at the screen last night when it happened like it's your favorite part well we should i know i know that feeling a little bit when you're like when i brought my daughter over to someone's house for a play date and you are kind of doing the like it's like we're introducing the fish to a new you know tank and we'll see if she can thrive or you know where you they kind of just like run off to their room and you're like good good good great great great great like they're doing it they're doing it as your daughter famously says i shy yeah your daughter does say i my daughter does say my daughter says that too yeah yeah our daughters have that in common when we go to bonnie's room uh we open with uh the the wedding being staged i feel like uh or very quickly get to that forky and karen beverly are getting betrothed bonnie's in a phase where she just wants to watch marriages all the time you're reading another ben tweet so good i ate too many pasta and my apt is small i don't know what that means that is march 13th 2020 so it's right before lockdown maybe you're just kind of like you know exploring like what it felt like to kind of be carb maxing and not being able to go out my apt is small apartment i assume yeah yeah yeah yeah okay feathers are bone hair right that's a you know that i mean that's just that's just what's bouncing around that knocking his all the time what a brain feathers are bone hair um bonnie's in the stage where she's really enjoying uh uh putting on fake weddings and so forky and karen beverly are getting married uh which is the thing the movie treats as if bonnie gives you a wedding then that counts it's legally binding but also uh prickle pants if he's officiating it's legally binding because there was one playtime where he was a haunted priest i think or haunted reverend he's ordained right yes uh yeah we're in the right in the the the sweet bonnie uh vision to the uh you know it's kind of chalk it's like kind of pastelly i was gonna say golden book style which is really cute i thought it was clever we've never gone into playtime vision in this kind of way no because in in two you see andy's is it two or three no it's three that begins with the train a recreation of of play from prior toy stories yes but it just looks like an epic movie it doesn't have like a style beyond the style we know and i would say that's that's what we've done like yeah if you go to play the buzz video game yes who is like you know it just looks like toy story i think this is like a really really cool visual choice um uh and i like that it's always a murder mystery that they imply that there's always a who poisoned blank to these weddings so accurate yes to my playtime as a child oh i thought you were gonna say to your wedding well no but no one died but i it was always like soap opera level like people were having affairs there were weddings there were secret children this is a big thing about bonnie there were murderer the problem with andy that gets exposed more and more as we're deeper into the bonnie verse is that andy is incredibly non-specific beyond just how creepy he looks as like an early cgi human it does look awful it is like the pixar people all had children who weren't yet at this age yeah i mean andy likes cowboy because he like woody so and then he likes because he like buzz so he wear a helmet i'm gonna read another ben tweet okay good november 2019 i hope the star wars universe reveals the chocolate planet incredible they're all good ben would just sit down and just spit out a thought like that and he would you know every few weeks like he would you know he would take his time yeah yeah just kind of check in from time to time right they always had the tone of imagining ben just sitting in a study stroking his chin and then going huh and then sharing this missive with the world you know that like gif of like a guy with like a quill yes and it like is on fire because what he's about to write is so fire that's like every one of ben's tweets all of ben's tweets feel like they were written in ink with a feather yeah a hundred percent or i'm sorry a bone hair right right yeah uh okay so um all right what's happening oh yeah forky is married forky you know god i love forky so much but you know relegated to minor character he gets good jokes gets a couple guys i i have no offense at this i'm not defensive about it i think he gets good stuff for he had a movie he had a movie exactly yeah and i think this movie very smartly is like let's really lock in on on four kind of main characters and then our double a gang which we'll get to uh the thing i was going to say is this is another thing that feels like a nice little corrective cleanup a thing i don't like in three is the subplot of buzz has spent 10 years trying to build up the courage to hold jesse's hand feels so infantilizing it is well they are toys and their romance no i don't have to imagine i agree with you i don't like this i don't like my buzz being a bitch no but buzz this is sort of addressed in both three and four right buzz's crush like what what are the other develops at the end of two and three yeah it it is he has spent 10 years in a toy box with her not saying anything just being awkward right and at the end he accidentally holds her hand and they look at each other right and four they're like kind of together but they don't get that much time four really doesn't know what to do with jesse yeah uh which is my biggest gripe with four yeah and then this one i like that it's like he's jealous that he hasn't gotten to do the wedding with her they are clearly in a relationship and they have a work relationship as well do you not just think like the the topic of romance in these movies between toys is just it's a naughty topic this is my other take that i shared with ben is i think this is kind of like the romance that movie because i think what jesse is working through in her like past owners and this fear of losing it is more of a breakup thing it's like can i commit i got something relevant can i yeah sure well i've been hurt so many times before it's that and it's also like if it ended badly then did it mean anything in the first place that's what she's looking for that's what the tree moment's about for me you know wow it's like can you have something that meant something that didn't last forever would you name your child after an ex no that's an insane that seems like a bad idea yeah i agree that's where the metaphor gets stretchy i also will get to the tree moment but there's some other angles i think you need to consider there for why i think i buy it um so buzz is now her like right hand deputy jesse is leading bonnie's room right she's got the sheriff yes right um which is something stanton said he wrote into four pointedly yeah it's four ends with that idea of jesse giving woody giving jesse this not thinking that he was going to do five but saying i think that is where the franchise should go i think we've put so much story on woody's shoulders the movies are ready to move over to someone else and jesse's probably overdue to be the center at one of these so uh very quickly bonnie's parents notice that she has no friends i mean she says it to them she does heartbreaking because she sees like neighborhood kids why does no one want to play with me and just doesn't want to play with me and just doesn't want to play with me know how to talk to them she's so shy twins next door and she's trying to build up the courage to play with them the movie does not address whatever is happening at school which you know it can't because it would be like that's just too much to deal with but i guess the idea is that bonnie is struggling to make friends she's shy you see that in four two you see that the other kids at school are not particularly nicer four that's why she makes four because she's right but four is set on the first or even like a preliminary day of kindergarten so you don't really know what it was exactly yes but she's shy she's shy she's struggling to whatever socialize or whatever and her parents you know who again are mediocre parents to deal with this by buying her a tablet computer called lily pad here's they like dump it on her fucking bed being like here you go this will help you make friends the implication is that this is like a very popular device being marketed is like help your kid connect to other kids that's connected to sort of a closed loop kids social network right the lily pad and that's the cell that has successfully worked on the public i did think watching it a second time do her parents oversights make a little more sense if they have a second kid if in between four and five i mean if they're just kind of like she's you know i i don't know we're like we're stretched thin it's true bonnie is an only child right i was like they they seem hyper focused on bonnie and also making some easy mistakes i i maybe i don't know i mean maybe one of them has a little bit of a problem with it i don't know i don't know the movie has to happen the movie has to happen yeah yeah maybe one of them but i guess like yeah it's good they're not they're not taking enough of an active role correct where they should have the parents should have made a like a play date right like what are they doing they're just like leaving her in a room waiting for her to kind of make it happen through like a group chat i guess again you're you're look i'm analyzing the behavior of cartoon parents in a cartoon movie that has to have or have an ipad to have the story happen obviously it's hard to make your kid make friends at this age i'm sure because you can't like go to school and be like hey you you know my kid wants to be your friend like you know that's not gonna work yeah that's not how kids make friends for sure uh so i mean obviously she goes to dance class as we know because that's who she's connected to via lily pad that's true so she's already going they have signed her up for classes but clearly she's struggling to make friends another lesson of this film is that dance is really clicky yeah and the girls are mean this is the thing i love and uh friends of the show uh adam volrich dom nero host of the eye of the duck podcast i was texting with them about the movie and they said a good thing this movie does in their opinion that i agree with is it definitively establishes some kids are just shitty lily gets redeemed yes somewhat it makes no effort to be like oh and those kids they didn't mean it it's just kind of like yeah no i guess some kids suck yeah people are just bullying to each other and it's just it's just the nature of the world because the sid argument you can always say like sid's creative he doesn't know he's hurting them he doesn't think they're alive like he's not an ill-intentioned person like his home life there's a lot of stuff going on there are a lot of kids with fucking negligent parents who are growing up shitty in the world of toy story 5 i guess so yes but also kids are mean to each other like again it's like you can only control so much in the world of course kids will be mean to each other it's how kids explore everything they don't you know they don't have fully developed senses of empathy or whatever they're not you know you it's it's you know i've it's happened in pre-k like you know like you know of course kids are mean jesse's very invested almost like a parent in how do i get her to connect and feels like she can help facilitate you know like woody is like that in three and four especially especially in four like the whole idea is he's like well i'll go to kindergarten yeah to help bonnie and it's like bro you know well being too extra this is the dramatic tension where they're being a bit of a fuck what's the ranch called rootin tootin you're being a little rootin tootin ranch a little ring about this you're a little too much rootin tootin ranch dress on but uh yes she tries to do it and then realizes that she accidentally embarrasses bonnie that other kids are growing out toys i remember when the trailer came out david yes you were like i reject this premise my daughter loves toys more than anything what is a memory of this what do you did you did text this the idea that it's like toys are outmoded no one cares anymore she's not gonna want to play with her toys because she'll only want to play with the ipad or whatever uh-huh right okay what is a sort of like studied thing is that kids are aging out of toys at an earlier age sure and tech is often thought of as the sort of like that's what's bridging the gap and jesse keeps saying throughout the film that technology is making kids grow up faster i know it's gonna end that is true i agree yes this is the fear right yes and that bonnie seems a little bit younger she seems i like how you said jesse says that like like it's like jesse who's a professor of toyology correct with a degree from the university of toy yep you know kids are growing up faster i'm like jesse you live in a closet like you know what the fuck you're not reading periodicals it's spacious it's a walk-in yeah where is she getting like where is she getting all of this like exposure to other she gets on the walkie-talkie and woody's like i live in a skunk robot yeah and i'm hearing a lot of things too you have to remember jesse and woody have been alive for like 60 years yeah they've been alive right like 60 to 70 years if they're like 50s or 60s toys right that's the idea yeah but the whole thing is that jesse wasn't played jesse was wasn't played with jesse was abandoned for 30 years the thing the movies won't touch is who was woody's owner before andy i thought it was his family but they won't say he won't talk about it he talks about andy like his first yes owner that's and he's not like of course i'm a fucking old toy and i was played with by andy senior before he went off to the war or whatever i really thought four was gonna do one line uh-huh and they didn't it's always just clearly kind of like it's too complicated who cares right and they also the short answer they won't explain like why is there a pope car in the car world are the cars catholic well because they need guidance what do you mean i'm just saying like toy story 3 is about religion some cars are catholic the vanessa redgrave car is catholic vanessa redgrave voices yeah franco nero they play uh luigi's italian uh aunt and uncle car sounds very not wait uh this isn't real this is real this is the movie that makes the other movie look like the other movie cars 2 is the most minted film ever made i re-watched it again recently to be like vanessa redgrave voices an italian car in a small role i would even say an insignificant role she maybe only speaks italian in the movie in the english dub uh yeah her and franco nero play italian relatives uh who they visit in a small cars town okay so bonnie gets the tablet well i know i was going to mention in jesse's failed attempt because this this predates it in jesse's failed attempt to try to set bonnie up to make friends she ends up behind the house with the toys who are all now traumatized by being abandoned by their own they're in a kiddie pool or whatever there's the kiddie pool it's some of our party source rex friends and all these toys are like doomsday like tech is coming you don't understand it's over there's like a the monkey with the symbol wind-up dolls that's pretty funny calling out funny moments he's just like he's like doing the homer simpson meme kind of sure davis just giving me a blank look yeah i mean i remember blank check look that's that's what he's giving me in the bank um so jesse's got this warning of be beware right they're all ipad tech is coming and then she sees the box arrive lily pad comes out and immediately she's got an attitude uh attitude she's also just like fucking addicted a zombie yes oh no but but she but ben uh griffin's saying that lily the character has an attitude lily has an attitude she's kind of like well i know what's best you know like she's got that vibe calls jesse jessica which i think is funny because i think that is kind of the vibe of tech of like well i've solved all the problems yeah i as technology and my voice by gretta lee uh-huh in the grand tradition of pixar being like i don't know who's like kind of been in some good grown-up movies recently yeah also i'm in there who was sort of cresting three years ago when we started developing this movie at one point it was announced that anna ferris was in this movie and it's unclear if gretta lee replaced or if she was supposed to play a different character it would make sense as like a kind of chirpy yeah tech you know anna's so good at that kind of like you know making fun of that but it's it's almost better to have a voice that's a little steelier how's anna ferris in a scary movie she doesn't look well is all i will say i i i would agree with that she is so good in scary movie six and it helps that she's doing the jamie lee curtis i've been going crazy in my house waiting for my revenge i haven't seen the film i haven't seen it multiple times i've seen it twice i think i've seen it multiple times i've seen it twice i think it's very funny i think it also is like really good at the legacy sequel shit sure it's making the whole movie is the legacy sequel characters being so angry at the young characters who are like trying to be like we're the leads now and they're like fuck you guys so hard this sucks no one wants to see your movie and anna ferris plays the sort of shell-shocked ptsd trauma plot survivor character she's you see it did i see scary movie how many times did you see it marie's just marie's just looking at it and she's like oh my god i'm so scared i'm so scared i'm so scared i'm so scared she's looking at me she's going into the sunken people won't even say that whether you saw it they just look at you like this david's except i don't wait in the whale meme he's actually doing a different face in that yeah so i can't do a different face and in the whale meme he's thinking that people are amazing people are amazing no i didn't see i've never seen a single scary movie i'm not sure that i've ever seen one in full to be honest this one has a really good k-pop demon hunters parody that is fully animated i think you're the only person like i will say no on the generally negative about this film i'm like a little surprised i'm not like saying like five stars i'm go see it i was like i think this is funny and i re-watched all the previous ones recently and they're not better than this but are they worse several of them are right and i feel are they no i get sorry but are they good uh some of them are half of them are not four five in my memory they're kind of all bad five is one of the worst movies i've ever seen right that's the one anna ferris isn't even in correct that's one of the worst films like ever to get a wide release truly maybe you just couldn't handle the truth of all the satire five was written and shot directed by malcolm d lee yes to primarily be a black swan parody and then in january mama came out and opened pretty well and they panicked and went what if the movie's mama instead and they re-shot the movie to be 50 mama six weeks before it came out sounds good with david zuckerstein taking over yeah i was about to say that sounds right yeah it feels like that i read another ben tweet a movie made in a month december 2019 in the sopranos pilot christopher mentions his cousin went to my high school then shoot someone it's true that's the that's good tweet this is a high school bonnie gets on the pond she starts making friends she gets invited to a sleepover uh jesse and bullseye sneak into the uh the suitcase to accompany her and she is embarrassed by having toys yes so this is the thing uh right like bonnie is now being seen as a baby by other kids because she likes she wants to play with toys and do goofy voices and pretend and right and uh and lily pad really takes it as a like see i'm right i'm right she just needs to be networked she needs to be keeping up to date on all the games they play on my os every morning before school she has to be like you know checking in with the group chat even the way that they engage with each other is they're all just sitting next to each other but looking at a screen yes i just have to address this ben is basically acting like we just watched like a news hour i know can i have a pbs news hour documentary about how kids actually are it is a movie i'm not sure they're all actually in their rooms tapping away on tablets i don't know i see teens out well the teens and they're sitting teens it's bad they're sitting at the table you know at the whatever at the fast food place and they're all sitting at the table and they're all sitting at the table and they're all sitting at the table and they're all just staring at their phone they're not engaging with i'm kind of like that right we're all we've all been guilty of this i mean i know you have the same but i'm trying to get away from every episode staring at a screen well that's true i mean i mean how also would i tell you ben hosley on my birthday in 2019 tweeted i've decided my new bit is i'm serious which is funny no greater bit oh shit okay i was i was not sure if i was gonna do this we don't have to do it screen time challenge guys screens down so what do you oh to literally do the count to like look it up yeah it can't be good uh okay i just need to preface this by saying my job is phone yeah unfortunately i mean so we're all kind of in job is tech i mean territory it's that is the thing i wore i i deal with a little bit it's not so much job although i don't like that it's job wait are we doing daily average yeah whatever it says every week i got five hours three minutes oh i'm four hours seven minutes that's great but that's because my job is phone but also my job is computer and i was about to say i text people i think that perverts as do i yeah and i slack from yes yeah uh mine is five hours 12 minutes uh i seemingly either turned mine off or never turned it on so it has no report for me it it says look here 18 hours website activity turn on or not you know you broke it uh you broke it but i have the problem also of like because i'm always like i should get one of those brick things and i should break my phone more off yeah and then i'm like but like it's so irritating how so much of my life is on the phone yes my admin you know that kind of like the school shit the class app like the fucking shopping i do for this family or whatever school ones and i had to download an app for it that's really class dojo you had to get yeah i don't know and i'm like this is fucking nuts that is there to like you know pick up this child i i try to push away but it is like the nature of what we do and this being a thing that exists on the internet there's just like a constant amount of stuff that we need to respond to that happens through devices it's annoying in addition to obviously watching a lot of stuff and like researching a lot of stuff and then you know obviously there's a blitz event right now with lily pad and bonnie and i'm trying to unlock oh jesus oh boy uh i bet your disney emoji blitz time is probably bigger than that might be a scary i will say this i went to battery usage and it does say that 20 of my battery usage is emoji blitz which i think i got down a little bit what would happen if you stopped playing disney emoji blitz we can throw out any sort of wild hypotheticals in this episode what would happen if there was no planes in the sky took their place and flew uh all right so bonnie's uh is gets quickly hooked on the pad um and uh she's just a little zombie and she doesn't want to play with her toys she's getting bullied for playing with toys which is constantly what we do to griffin this is true of course griffin is not i laugh all the way to the bank okay here we should say because jesse and bullseye right they go off yes with bonnie and then end up getting sent over to bonnie's original yeah you're skipping a couple steps here because of course what happens first is she gets on the walkie-talkie with woody right this is my hottest take in the movie I think Tom Hanks remains great at playing this character. i think everything they do with woody is funny i do think this movie would kind of work better if woody was not in it what he lifts out of the movie for sure but i don't remember feeling like he was actually like actively a drag on the drag anything like but it is certainly the movie is basically like well you're here because you have to be but the joke will essentially be like we don't really yes you don't really have a purpose he's kind of bald now no i mean that's fine his poncho his poncho isn't cool but he is not just a poncho but his ponch he got a poncho which actually i've struggled with the physics the stuffing has come loose it's redistributed in his body it makes actually perfect but then why does he suck it back in because he's self-conscious much like his bald spot because he has air that he breathes no he's like pushing it back david stop okay it's a posture thing but i woody is firmly supporting and is a supporting character in the film a thing that i didn't like yes a walkie talkie why why you know like buzz doesn't know it exists yeah i'm not sure why that needs to happen except for the plot mechanics of buzz kind of accidentally thinks he needs to get involved i read it as yes a jesse insecurity thing of that i consult woody for help and also buzz's insecurity of right it's both of their fragile male egos i i buy this it doesn't feel like it undoes for you're like if woody's whole thing is that he goes around saving toys and we see him saving a little maddie matheson out of a tree with his gang you know i i didn't care i was he comes back it doesn't feel like it's undoing anything and then he's just funny it's just a lot of bits of him and buzz fighting and people joking about how old he looks but he is firmly supporting it i assume there are people on yon internet who are like they you know toy story four ends with an emotional goodbye how could they undo this they're ruining the emotion of that moment and i to them i say you know it'll be okay i also think the ending still stands like i'm a four lover right and it's like the ending is still like yeah well if he got a call that he needed so they needed help he would do that and then he'll leave again which he does sure yeah does it ever come up do you think bonnie's ever like hey whatever happened to that other fucking cowboy well you have to remember in four she doesn't really like woody so i know but she doesn't know he exists yeah oh we lost that somewhere right they just don't care that much about woody yeah but do you think andy ever who lives next door is like hey where's woody my fucking beloved toy david you sound like the reddit now they're like andy gave it to her with a speech explaining that he was the most important character and she didn't even know he doesn't live next door isn't that how he ends up giving her the box because the mom andy's mom yeah i get but it's like andy's moving andy's mom he's going to college yeah andy's mom donates him to the preschool bonnie's bonnie's mom runs the preschool yeah and then why is andy there because at the end because andy's mom is like i don't know maybe he's like i thought they lived next door no he drove he drives i just re-watched the movie who gave him a license he's going to college he's 18 years old no but what state where do they live tri-county area of course he got a tri-county license tri-county one of them fancy tri-county licenses once woody comes in they try to really go aggressive against uh lily pad and uh right they they go to war they unplug her right they're like and they when do they discover that if you say hey lily she snaps into siri mode because i thought that was later much later yes very funny i liked the running bit that every time a tech toy is running low on battery they're drunk they're drunk that was good oh well this is what kind of what i was trying to get into the house i just had to establish woody coming back first jesse gets knocked out of the house and then found by an elderly hippie burnout couple which is another thing i love that they're just specific people it's very california yes sounds like we're saying funny a lot who uh i thought it was funny i had a good time with this movie i was i was having a good time right watch i wasn't sitting there being like well well well just pay some respect to the ben hosley news hour also every time he's speaking in this way he is sitting at his desk he is well i'm trying to work on my you're gonna read a hosley treat right now did you guys talk about how we got new chairs in the office and that they're like i think we did they have better posture yeah this is from december 2018 hey country road's too curvy it's true um so uh who voices do you know is it the old couple i didn't notice anyone specific um but uh they notice of course that uh emily jesse's original owner wrote her name inside the trap right she oh and her and her address that's what's vital so they take her to this sort of i guess it's like in the boonies or whatever because it's kind of on farm right a horse girl named blaze uh is the now occupant of this home with her parents now griffin are you feeling worried i know that like i'm sure this was a big part of the rumor mill yes of like okay they're gonna they're gonna dig into the jesse owner thing yeah are you sitting there like i hope we meet jesse's original owner or are you worrying like this is my that was my guess that you're worrying like oh no jesse's owner will be a character some pictures something that'll be in the movie and a big way some pictures and stuff hinted at the original house and people were like that looks like the tire swing from totally right it was right people were kind of picking up on the and i was like her going back to the house is interesting i like her sort of reckoning with stuff i don't want her to see emily yeah i that was a big thing for me i obviously i'm less emotionally invested in this series than you but i too was just kind of like i think that'd be a mistake yes and i think again i'm thinking about it from my kid's perspective i'm like i think my kid wouldn't get it because she would be old yes and it would just be kind of confusing i mean emily is quite quite likely dead at this point either dead or an old woman because like one assumes she owned jesse in the 60s or whatever right correct so i didn't want them to do that and i was very relieved that it's like nope this is a new family there's a new family in the house it allows her to tackle new issues while also dealing with the echoes and the reminders of the past and when we get to this house i do wonder if my my kid will be like i don't get it like because it is weird that it's like wait so this is jesse's house but it's different people i don't we'll see we'll see i wonder we'll see again she might just be like i like the potty robot like you know who knows yeah um i like the internal logic whenever toy story gets into like the different types of toys and the different types of psychologies but we basically go to the pool house at this ranch the garden shed that has mostly kind of like pool toys and beach toys and things like that they haven't been played with in years this is like i don't think it's a pool house i think it's just like it's a garden it's a little playhouse it's my house it's not yeah it's a lot of like beach toys it's like summer toys i guess so but it's one of those little plastic houses you get a child yeah right whatever but combat carl's not an outdoor toy he's not but she's like drawn tattoos on him and put a tutu on him and a different combat carl from the combat carl of toy story this is voiced by ernie hudson because of course carl weathers was previously combat carl and has passed away i also love the little pizza guy played by bad bunny of course that really made me laugh pizza with sunglasses that's the kind of toy story joke that we're going to have to do in the next episode of toy story get a chuckle out of old simsy right here and then we meet smarty pants yes so they've all been sitting here waiting for blaze to return for a tea party it's been years but what killed them all what ended the tea party was tech the first device that ended everything for them and it was smarty pants which jesse reveals she was sitting on the mvp of the movie right obviously conan is killing is on fire in this fucking thing what i liked about what he's doing is he's giving a real performance like it doesn't really sound like conan no sort of like a real performance but it's definitely not like the conan we all listen to on the first and only podcast conan o'brien needs friends best and last um he's you know he's sort of thought up a character here like obviously when you see him in bonnie's pretend verse and he's got the conan hair that's a clever little nod to who's voicing him but my friend was like i didn't realize that was conan it almost feels like when conan voices the angry audience member on his show when he goes like what are you doing yeah right it's like it's sort of a kind of like voice in his repertoire but it's him turned all the way up and uh this is the other part where i was like oh i think i see what the movie's doing and it's smart there was this sort of bridge era of tech toys uh-huh that jesse is going to view as enemies they're just like lily pad right and they are obsolete themselves they're the same as her in a way they're limited tech toys who had an emotional relationship with her because they weren't just a tablet to the internet they had the same thing they had the same thing they had the specific purposes smarty pants as he likes to point out is not a chair he is a potty training tool he is meant to help you log your pp and your poop assumes i wonder if it's so funny every time that he gets really kind of like high and mighty about his position right right i mean i think all those gags are good always i ever like every little joke every little yes there it's like a you log one for p and two for poop and then what is it a fart it's a 1.5 yeah there's like a heavy fart or but he's doing this sort of like number one number two like a really putting i would say a lot of root and toot and ranch on his line and the bit of um you know he wait his batteries have right his batteries have died so he's kind of drunk it's like foster is good yeah yeah um but he gets really excited at the idea of jesse being able to reconnect him his batteries are low but she has a common purpose she needs to get back he has tech he can help her get back um so she lets him into the house he finds atlas and snappy a gps for kids and a like low tech digital camera who all three of them connect to each other with like uh outmoded usb plugs uh yes snappy voice by Shelby Rabarra? Yes. Not an actress I know. Some people thought. She's from Steven Universe. That Anna Faris was supposed to play Snappy at some point. It was never clear. And then Atlas is Craig Robinson. It's a reliable figure. Yes, yes. These three are basically able to, like, together, linked up, with new batteries installed, form a little, like, social media tech team. I like that they sort of have consciousness, but then they also have access to the outside world. Snappy can see things. Atlas can locate things. And Smarty Pants can do text. This is the Pixar thing. They're so smart how they decided to create these characters and how they'll be used throughout the movie. I said to Ben, I think this is a real Stanton thing, where he really likes the internal logic of what's a different type of toy, what would be the psychology of that toy we haven't explored before, and what's a specific way that character can play into the story and activate something that couldn't be done by any other character. Like, there's no character put on the board in this movie in a major role who doesn't serve significant story function in the third act, unlocking something. And we were talking about, I mean, you said it, Ben, the second the movie ended last night, you went, I cannot believe that is the same person who made In the Blink of an Eye. It's crazy. A movie that feels so kind of, like, misconceived on a basic level. That's a fair point. And this movie is so goddamn tight. It just feels like every story idea it has, has been worked down to its tightest possible point. This is not as funny, Ben, but this is a saga I forgot about from your life, October 2018. Yup, I'm locked in my apartment. I went from homeless to too much home. Help! Remember this saga? You couldn't, like, open your front door. I just moved into a new apartment after couch surfing for many months, and the doorknob just broke off in my hands. There was an episode we canceled because of this. And I believe you could not exit. I was truly trapped inside. Yeah. Yeah, we couldn't record. And your landlord said, like, the bottom lock wasn't his problem. And you were like, is he just a top lock guy? Like, was that the place I'm crossing the place? Yeah, okay. Yeah. One more. June 2018. Slanderman is Slenderman's lawyer. That's right. That's good. Fuck, that's really fucking sweet. I'm just saying. I think you need to publish a book. That's what it means to me. Yeah, maybe that. You need to be, like, one of those Urban Outfitters, like, wisdom of Winnie the Pooh. The Tao of Ben. We need these musings, but I don't think it has to be on social media. I mean, certainly, I'm, like, Instagram only these days. And I wish I spent even less time on Instagram that I do, but I mostly lurk and then repost things. And I certainly feel healthier for it, not being on any of the text-based apps. Yeah, I don't use Twitter anymore. I'll look at it sometimes for sports. I use Instagram, but, you know, I don't post much. I guess I'm on Blue Sky, but that's kind of like. It's kind of like I post once a week on Blue Sky. I lost the poster urge. Like, I quit myself of that. Same. I don't post. I used to have the thing when I had Twitter where I was, like, any thought, I'd be like, oh, that'd be fun. You know, like, and I just spent enough time. Twitter did, like, Twitter started behaving in a way after this one guy bought it that really started to distress me. Mr. Cool, you're talking about? Yeah. And I just was sort of like, I guess I'll stop. And then I stopped long enough that I was like, I lost the poster disease. I'm just imagining. I'm just imagining someone, like, replying to a Ben tweet being like, at Grok, what does this mean? Right. At Grok explains. I mean, that's the famous thing of, like, early AI being asked, would Ben Hosley like the movie Slumdog Millionaire? And the response was, it's impossible to say. Ben alternates between liking wet things and dry things. The movie has both. We don't know which one he likes more these days. And we were like, Ben has outsmarted AI. He can't track his bids. Yeah. Love it. Triple A gang is trying to figure out how to make a post through the pond to alert Bonnie that her toys are here. And then Jessie very quickly realizes, wait a second, is this an opportunity to also connect these two kids? Because she notices that Blaze, who has grown out of toys and grown out of these tech toys, is an animal kid. She's a little bit bigger, but she likes animals and she's still got a creative sensibility. She plays with the animals like they're toys, which I also thought was smart in terms of like any hand. I'm ringing panic about like, is tech the death of everything? You're like, well, like our toys getting us away from us existing with nature. Like that's also a technology, right? Yeah. And so the only toys she still has like on display are her horse shelf because she's a horse girl. Right. And that's just sort of for display. But otherwise, she has her pig, Jimmy Dean, and her horse, Daffodil. And Jimmy Dean, she talks to like it's a toy she does routines with. I love Jimmy Dean. Jimmy Dean fucking rules. You mean into the pet pig? Yes. Yeah. He's so cute. I just want him to slobber on. I like that he's also not like a cartoon pig, that he's like kind of a gross pig in a way that makes him cute. He's like Peppa Pig's dad. He has like chin hair or whatever, but I like it. It doesn't bother me. It's also the classic, you know, people are always like, I want a little pig, you know, piglet for a pet. And it's like, you know, it's going to turn into like a big pig. Turn to a Jimmy Dean. Even if it's like a miniature pig or whatever, like they turn into big old pigs. And that's what's happened. But she loves her pig. She loves Jimmy Dean. And Jesse recognizes it. Bonnie's not like other kids. She plays. She's creative. And Blaze has got this thing. Can we set the two of them up to hang out? Right. Woody and Buzz have followed after Jesse, are committed to trying to save her, and are sort of fighting about who's actually number two, who's the deputy. Because they get there because Bonnie has been realized that she's lost Jesse. Bonnie gets the message. Right. It goes to her, her iPad. Lily pads trying to block this. This is when Woody and Buzz are sort of triangulating. Like, what if we unplug her charger? She loses battery. She'll get kind of drunk. Then can we interrogate her? There's the lizard that they use to activate her. That was really, that was really funny. They've realized the voice activation thing. They're trying to figure out how to outsmart Lily pad. And she just keeps leveling up. They're like, can we, we just got this message from Jesse. Here's where she is. Here's the address. Here are the toys. Let's. It's printed out. So they find it. They say, but they, I think one of them says, send it to all or something. Send all. Yeah. Yeah. And so it prints out, but then like Lily pad activates the Roomba, which I like the idea that the Roomba also, because Bonnie has played with it, has also now sort of gained a little sentience. Oh, I didn't think about that. Later in the film. Right. Lily pad, of course, wants to fuck the Roomba. They don't fuck the toys. She wants to. Mine did. I would go like, boom, boom, boom. That's how they would have sex with each other. The smashy. The Barbies. Yeah. Perfectly healthy. There's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with this. I was literally thinking the exact same thing. I'm getting loopy. Should be here in 15 minutes. I ordered it. So one thing to credit this movie, and it felt this way about four as well. It just looks fantastic. It does. Yeah. It's that Pixar thing where they're just, they're so next level now with the environments and the, you know, the way they make the like lighting and the air and all that look. We talked about this. It's very impressive. After the screening, we went to where I was. Like a lot of the shots specifically in the like buzz hive mind segments are stunning. Yes. Like beautiful sunsets and like the fog in that, in that one moment. I'm like, this is, this is really pretty. He uses color like unbelievably well for mood and story. You know, it's one of those things where I know he, he said like, this is my last animated film. I really only want, and I'm just kind of like, you're good at this. Like, are you sure you want to stop? I mean, his. His thing is like, I'm not primarily a fan of animation. I'm a fan of movies. I fell into this thing. I've never wanted to limit myself to that, but I think what he does that is so unique is he's, and this is a lot of what Pixar did in general, but I think he was at the forefront of pushing them towards this is like marrying the visual language of the two things together. Like a thing we commented on afterwards that is so cool in this movie is it acts like it's sort of mostly done with handheld camera and it's very subtle, but beyond like Stanton's always been the stickler guy who's like, can we make the virtual camera operate by the real rules of a camera, like what lens would be on this? What is our lighting source? And in this, you see the camera struggling to keep the characters in frame. Like the camera sort of like moves quickly to readjust as if the performance isn't planned. And it's a very, very subtle thing, but it like it, it's psychologically has an effect on you. Uh, we should say the tech buzz is they've been activated. They go to this construction site. They use the crane. They're just in search of a star. Uh, they find a campsite for land. They're trying to find civilization. They're trying to find star command. And at this campsite, one of them is taken. They realize, oh, this is not scary. Maybe this is good to be played with. This one buzz seems happy. And then they look onto the kids devices and they see the Jesse message from Blaze's house. They look up the address and when they use Google maps or whatever, it plays. The address with a star. I just like, it's smart all the ways that they're just sort of like, she has a star on her chest. There's a star in the sky. There's a star on the map. We're just simple. We go wherever the fucking star is. When Bonnie goes to Blaze's house for the first time and then the group chat plays out where they send the crying baby images and then they all laugh. Yes. It was awful. So fucking mean, man. Fuck those girls. Yeah. Yeah. They're shitty kids. Shitty kids. I hope they get doxxed. think i might use that joke if someone sends me a stupid text crying baby yeah like whines about something i do think there's potential there uh maybe that'll be my first tweet december 2017 my nickname for dan lewis is the method man my boy incredible right so jesse the whole time is like you like you're saying like well i got abandoned before i this bonnie thing i'm half want to help her but i half am like what's the point i'm only going to get forgotten again and the thing she realizes is that no her owner didn't forget her because she named her daughter after her and there's how do you it's like you see a picture what's the buried lunchbox yeah right she made a little toy capsule well she sees carved into the tree jesse was here and she goes like what's that that doesn't make sense arrow pointing down time capsule and it's a kid with a bunch of like 80s 90s stuff yeah and she's like this stuff is too new what's going on here and then she realizes it's her daughter now here's why i buy this you have to remember that jesse was a character on a tv show sure i guess so right what he's round up right that this kid presumably watched a lot if you named your kid jesse after the doll you had but why did you put the doll on the side of the road that's why i'm saying it's the character it's the character i think it's like later in life she looked back yeah with nostalgia for that doll and like the name sure i think it makes sense it's like it's enough it's like if ben named his son spawn even though he had given a his spawn toys when he was a child but technically ben's son will be spawn he will be spawn of hosley yeah that's true but you could name him medieval spawn hosley future spawn yeah i'm sure my wife would love samurai spawn hosley now that i'm thinking about it we should just talk about like your hypothetical future child future spawn your daughter she spawns hosley future spawn future spawn future spawn because that's technically quite literally what they are this is true your future spawn you know it's an exciting thing i want to do it at some point in my life have family uh and i'll love the kid for whatever they are you'll love future spawn yeah then we'll be maybe don't call them spawn that's just my just my team spawn's the middle name is that better i guess abigail spawn hosley uh u.s world cup star out christian be so much yeah he will miss today's pivotal game that's tough news for them with a cav injury we're dating today's episode i know this has been a fear because he'd had the he came out of the last game well we're this will come out like six weeks after the movie comes out but we're recording it the day the movie is technically being released because i'm about to go to spain to do a shoot he's off to spain the rain in spain i say mainly on the griffin i've been feeling so suffocated by the amount of world cup stuff and then i'm like oh right i'm going to spain it is why are you feeling suffocated how is it sports guys keep fucking with me you know the way that ben says that everyone fucks with him all the time it's true this only happens to me with sports guys how are you being fucked with people are like fucking with me on the subway and like because you're wearing like a choice because i'm just like not an alpha male i swear to god this happens but it only happens soccer guys that are bullied both both because we want to talk about nicks fans being bullies i'm yes let's have that conversation i'm ready to talk about anyone their victories it just feels like there is a sort of sports bar culture that breaks containment when things like this happen that is all i'm saying i'm so sorry that people are harassing you it's annoying david after the screening yeah i left my credit card at a bar oh yeah that was somewhat nearby sure you go to the bar yeah i have a beer yeah why not i have to show my id to get the card back bartender looks at he goes this picture's terrible are you fucking kidding me so then i'm like dude what do you mean like it's it's an id picture whatever right it's just like you are so much more handsome okay maybe maybe i was trying to hit on you yeah maybe this was kind of like a negi kind of flirt i guess now actually that i'm reflecting on and then he did give you his phone number i'm hearing well no because then i was like let me see your id picture all right this also sounds like a flirt and then i said it looked like shit oh wait now i want to see your id picture all right this also sounds like a flirt then he started crying yeah no he didn't cry okay fair enough but it was there's some tension wow uh no one ever looks good in their id picture i would agree with that it's just like a rule you have to look you have to look like shit a handsome photo all right i'm gonna take a look at ben's id photo ben's gonna show us can i see it first please can we pass it around yeah i think you look exactly the same i think that is an incredibly rude comment that is a handsome picture of a man with a great i think this man was flirting with you but but it is true that people just say shit to ben it is a pretty good photo it is for a driver's license photo it's an accurate representation of our handsome friend yeah but people do be fucking they do i've witnessed this it's wild remember when we were in austin and you were like why are these guys outside a bar in austin just like being mean to me for no reason i'm just walking down my dad a lot too there are definitely people who unconsciously invite the vibe like kind of like you can talk to me it's okay you know what i mean like or like guys will just kind of yeah come up to you or like the sort of weird guy in the park will think you're ready for a conversation absolutely absolutely happens to me it feels like all the time i guess i just have one of those faces july 2015 2015 going back wow i've been to little italy it's small pretty good pretty good it's getting smaller and smaller um you like the toy story movies ben i actually have always kind of just been like this was my question is this the one that has for whatever reason maybe because you have this kind of future parent anxiety maybe because you remember being a kid or i think it's the future parent anxiety like that it just sort of like hit you a little harder because i do feel like i right i'm trying to remember your general toy story i kind of had no relationship you were 10 when the first movie came out i love sid but you like him in retrospect where you're like hey sid he's cool he's got a skull on this t-shirt he's creative i agree i don't think i saw toy story one in theaters i did but you were you're a little younger than me and that's where it's right i was six but i also was very like gendered sure at the time and i was like this is a boy movie so i just didn't bother with it i know i kind of like this movie because it was like about girl stuff i know i'm one again wondering if uh jesse is my daughter's favorite character if she'll be like that movie had more jesse like i like that so i appreciated all of the girl stuff and that's why i it really upset me when a griffin said that people on the toy story read it we're calling bonnie a c word because i think bonnie is an incredible young woman you know anyone who does that is obviously when it needs to touch grass when i was re-watching toy story 4 and watching her make forky yes i was texting you guys and i was like this is insane like she is so advanced she's pretty advanced for making this thing sure she makes forky she even the way that she writes her name on forky like her handwriting's really good she has to have like excellent fine motor skills to like craft this thing my daughter can write as well as bonnie does she can't uh she can't read but bonnie can't read i guess whatever that doesn't come up i was reading at bonnie i was reading you're right your daughter's show off very bonnie coded also i just want to communicate to everyone uh what just happened in the bathroom it's going great i pushed the number one button oh thank god he didn't like say number one really really upset if you press number two and i was like ew griffin uh uh griff are you annoyed with that toy it feels like you're a little let down by it a little bit it doesn't work as well as i want it to be you were hoping it would solve your bathroom problems yes buying it would be the final piece of the puzzle we've had we've had smarty pants in our studio bathroom for several can't say i've noticed weeks i've been seating him he's been a little easter egg in the bathroom when i saw the movie i was like oh that's the weird thing that griffin has in the bathroom the thing about you thought it was an actual potty training tool there's so many griffin toys in it you kind of get toy blindness and you kind of don't even notice them yeah but there aren't that many toys in it that's true but i i with all honesty had not noticed i don't think i realized that he was meant to be a roll of toilet paper yes which i love it's really smart design and the handle on top of him is sort of like the toilet paper holder in the wall um a couple of things just to discuss you know about the movie i really loved um that all of the horses yes got to participate yeah fun little yeah counter to the buzz army is after the tree yeah right and i love buzz gets to ride a horse that's like more of a unicorn he loves it his eyes yeah yeah what did you think of the buzz is turning into drones the sort of big third act they finally fly it's a good fucking 30 years later joke payoff the buzzes can finally fly i think because lily feels so guilty she don't oh yeah which i thought into like a box i was happy that she did that because she deserved it no no i was just kind of like it like it follows in the sort of like thread of these movies that the toy would be like well i do want the child to be happy and i know i've you know the child's unhappy so it's my fault i like that it's not like someone else teaches her to be good it speaks to like she actually thought she was doing the right thing she was robert that tracked for me best right yeah she's like oppenheimer it's a lot like oppenheimer until they build a bigger lily pad they should have safety you mean bowser jr my daughter's favorite character in all media ever like just i mean she she talks about bowser jr like putin or whatever she's like she's just like that's the scariest bad guy in the world that's really that's the most incredible bad guy she loves him so much and she thinks he's scary well scary but like she's like she's just like that's the baddest one she thinks pretty bad you know like and i think it's because his paintbrush is so powerful it's really she's just kind of like he owns bowser bowser doesn't even have a paintbrush and in the second movie he's small yeah he's little he's mostly comic relief yeah we're all like oh my god where is bowser jr's out here painting up a storm i guess some character arc on bowser in that second movie it's a little disjointed it starts off little but desperate to prove that he's a good kind of their friend sort of he's guilty that he maybe wasn't enough of a present father even though every night he did a bespoke puppet show for his son i do feel like he was yeah he was putting in some effort his son is causing so much terror that he's like i feel guilty then his son is like dad i did this for you and he's like never mind i think i've you rock only made decisions and then all his skin burns off and he's a skeleton and he says he's the lord of bones oh it does that happens in the movie yeah that happens in the movie interesting um buzz uh drones big extended final chase sequence where they have to save lily because lily's the only way they're going to be able to finally get these two kids together right for jesse the highest stakes or she wants the two of them to meet she thinks they could both use the frame i like those stakes the stakes is basically just the kind of like can we get them to hang out and not be shy with each other and kind of connect here's another thing i thought of those are some real parenting stakes those are the stakes that inside out 2 tries to establish that i think it does not execute well and i re-watched inside out 2 last night to be like was i too hard on this at the time and i think that movie's shitty and i think that movie makes it too much about like fucking hockey camp and shit i don't think it's shitty i think it has a really it's fine i think they representate like representation of what anxiety feels like i thought was really meaningful to me that character works um i wish it was gayer because i think way i think that that is kind of like sorry david just really it's they're they're they're pre-sexual characters in there it's a children's film no they already established that she has crushes yeah that what's her riley i feel like riley if if she's like a you know an adolescent yeah and it felt like she had a crush on like a girl on her hockey it really does and the girl is coded kind of yes so i was like okay like that's interesting i wish they actually like had the balls to do that i know well maybe they should have maybe that's what they should have done inside out too i also just don't like that the movie is once again oh no they get kicked out of the console and they have to make their way back yeah i think it's really unimaginative that it just runs the exact same that's my problem with the ins but i don't like the world of inside out for sure like the uh inner world i just it doesn't it's not very rich because it is right it is just always like all right here we are in the back and we're either like go down a road in the console or they're not yeah yeah i just never stuck my daughter ever also has never cared about them so i've only seen them like twice like total yeah yeah she doesn't like that one um maybe she will eventually uh just one more important thing that we need to address uh buzz and jesse kiss they do yeah yeah you didn't like that david i don't i just you're the king of kissing on camera you love kissing they're toys i just don't care let their little plastic faces smush i'm not stopping let them don't stand in the way their lives is in love with jesse because he's in love with woody but no you're forgetting the moment at the end of toy story 2 where jesse does the rescue yeah sure and it's he's impressed with her because she's high status that's another thing i liked that i think it does very subtly is jesse the character in the tv show of course her divining thing is that she talks to animals that she's a yodeling cowgirl critter she communicates with critters right in this they sort of imply that she has that power on real animals as well she thinks she does and yeah maybe she does to dig up the time capsule i'm not mad about it she gets jesse dean to to work for her yeah but woody does that with the with buster yeah in the other movies toys can talk to animals that jesse believes in it more because that's what her right right her source material is but then this whole like you get your kind of final extended chase of like how do they save lily pad how are they going to get back to the respective homes but like yeah it's just it doesn't fall into the trap of we need to be bigger no and which i feel like four also didn't i think it's the right kind of pixar trap of like oh my god how do we outdo our sort of final set piece scale or whatever two remains i feel like the craziest thing they ever did where they like stop a plane or whatever it is they do but i love that they're not trying to top that no um and it is just so funny for me it's my favorite gag in the movie of like you know they're using atlas's gps to try to get themselves to lily pad and they're sort of like well we're supposed to take a left here there's a house there it used to be a road the map's out of date what do we do and they just ride through the house and you get this tracking shot that feels like it's like a it's out of weapons where they go from room to room and everyone in the family is just on a different device and no one notices there are 50 buzz light years on horses riding through i think that's really funny yes i enjoyed that funny yeah i was laughing you were laughing yeah no we had we had a very nice time and then the film ends with what i would argue is taylor swift's best song in like five years let's acknowledge it ends with i don't think that's i knew it i knew you it ends with buzz and jesse finally getting married yeah it ends with buzz and jesse finally getting married and soon taylor swift will finally get married at madison square garden god i've been so stressed out i just don't get it i don't understand also the taylor swift fans keep harassing me on the subway and pizza parlors and so oppressed the omniculture but did you tell them i put hundreds of dollars in this woman's pocket because how many versions of the vinyl did you buy i i excuse me there were two versions i bought both i sent the receipt to the group and i was like i hate it that she's fucking got me sure that i'm like a fallen prey to this taylor swift shit with the countdown clock and the like it's gonna sell out and then a week later i saw an article that they're going for hundreds of dollars wow randy newman's quite old this is the first movie he didn't write a song for he did do the score yes there are some new themes in it i like but a lot of it is repurposed a lot of it's reusing uh previous uh and at the premiere they played together you see yeah randy's moving pretty slowly one of my favorite people of all time uh my father of course randy newman but it was a pretty fucking insane coup for them to get taylor swift to do this when was the last time did she write a song for any movie previously uh for hunger games right and i don't know if she's done anything besides that but i remember also liking that song too she didn't write a song for amsterdam rudely no she did not no that's her song about how a car ran her over insane that they were like if we put taylor swift in this the swifties will go see it you're like what's the movie about investigating taylor swift's murder maybe they don't want to see this she did of course do a song for 50 shades darker called i don't want to live forever okay and she did a song called carolina for a little movie in which you heard a crawdad oh my god she crawdadded it up i believe she also is a co-writer on beautiful ghosts the song that they did for cats you are right about that of course she appeared in that film as well as bumblebee do we have anything else to say about toy story 5 i like it a lot it made me really happy i'm glad it made you happy yes i but i but i also like i keep not making you sad with these which is good it's honestly the bigger thing i do feel like i've been brute force in therapy for a thousand different reasons and i'm not in a place where i was like if this movie is bad it's going to destroy me i was joking to ben before the movie like i'm chill it's only my psychology at stake but i don't actually feel that way however i'm not in a place where i'm like i'm not in a place where i'm like i'm every time one of these movies is good i feel a tremendous sense of relief now have you noticed and it's just coming out you know the movie just came so it's just beginning like more negativity about this movie online than say the other one it's weird because i've seen letterboxd i've seen tweets like it's always hard now to tell like what's kind of fake outrage and what's real i i think four was greeted more warmly and then had more negativity like amongst the hardcore later And then I think this one oddly is like people going like a a return to form or b they finally lost the juice it's one or the other just like and like my my friend was like all my friends hated it and i was like and she liked it but yeah i was like hated it like i was like how can you feel that strongly like it's so well made it's well done right exactly even if my note was basically it's like because jesse at the end is like it's about the journey not the destination like and i'm like right that's the lesson of two i do feel like we're out of ideas on that front so i was kind of like there's a ceiling on this movie from equality was but like yeah it's like it's just well done and like i had a good time watching it i can't really be too mad at it you know especially because these movies are just going to continue to happen these movies continue to struggle with how expansive two was thematically right that it just bit off so much successfully that there's not as much left for them to explore but i thought this movie had like many new ideas you had many new concepts yes it comes to an old idea but the tech stuff i was like i appreciate just running at an idea like that i thought that was good and so i said in my review which is on the atlantic you can read it if you want how would you rank the stanton yeah i was about to oh good call yeah because it's going to be our our last episode that is so true now he hasn't made that minute out can i pitch my idea for the next in the toy story franchise we need to hear now which which griffin do you think there will be a toy story six this the fact especially given that it's probably gonna make a ton of money the fact that they don't even attempt to make some sort of here's the end of the series finale to this i think it's all but guaranteed i i hope they continue to pace them out the way they have it's nice that these movies yeah sure okay it's more of a prequel the first toy story stick and hoop this is a well you like to go to i will say you like to go almost prehistoric yeah but i think it would be interesting keep going keep going what is like a rock it's a rock okay yep and like mud and it's like you know primitive people and it's like the blurring the the like what does it mean to be a toy like as the first toy but that sort of feels like forky territory if it's like i made a toy out of some stuff and now what is what is play right because like the first toy to gain consciousness childhood is a modern concept yes this is true that's why i think it's got to be like you know 20th century stick and hoop and it's a toy that's really nauseous all the time it's like i'm just fucking chased but you see like ancient roman you know dolls or right like we we unearth these things sometimes i guess i do do that a lot i love that you love that and it's not an accusation or no it's just one of our stanton has made six films correct i'm not missing that sounds correct yes so i have it ranked thusly from one to six okay finding nemo toy story five finding dory john carter in the blink of an eye i'm sorry john yeah the ambition of john carter is higher than the than the animated sequels sure i i can't get there with i think it's better than the animated sequels which are two movies where i'm like obviously these are no masterpieces but they're well done enough that i consider them better than john carter i think i'm sorry i think i have the same ranking but i have it over in the blink of an eye yeah i go uh uh wally then finding nemo then i go toy story five then finding dory of the same john carter and and unfortunately we're gonna end with a blank i think that's where one must yes one must murray do you prefer like nemo to wally do you have a hot take on these lists no i i love wally i i'm very curious to re-watch john carter uh i saw it opening weekend at the ziegfeld it was like the last movie i saw at the ziegfeld before it closed down and there were like five people in the entire theater and like one of them was rob malone you know some weeks in advance and i asked the question on the episode is there any chance i like the mandalorian and grogu more than john carter and i can definitively say no i think john carter is better than the last three theatrically released star wars movies sure definitely last two i remember i kind of have a soft spot for solo for parts of solo you want to fuck that troy no it's i like the what's the lady proxima lady proxima oh the original skimble shanks uh but i remember like defending john carter at the time and being like uh this movie's good actually it's got stuff in it there's i i it's fun to defend even if it doesn't completely work um but that's been our uh andrew stanton journey and now of course we're going on to martin scorchese that's so true it's actually right onto him we've recorded a good chunk of them yeah we've recorded eight martin scorchese episodes already you out of you dirt jerks 23 yeah we've done about a third is my estimation yeah i'm italian we're working on it um i think i think our pizza might be here hold on one second yeah i'm sure it was delivered long ago griffin just said hey this is griffin calling from the and i was like i wonder how he's ending that sentence okay thank you did i pull the sims did you it did deliver to your house yes but my house is very close see i could have fucking your house isn't that close whatever my house is very close i mean it's pretty close but you know yeah yeah but we're hungry so let's end the episode and i'll go get the pizza all right i'm just want to say it's a little disappointing they didn't do a bad bunny pizza oh i did see nighthawk they are i will be ordering it on sunday maybe i'll get that yeah yeah they have a flatbread pizza with sunglasses flatbread they got a new uh what's it called a paidina what's the italian flatbread sandwich oh yeah i saw that on the menu it's really good interesting i got i can't remember what movie it's got ham and mango it's that's the and plantain it's sort of like a fun like hawaiian pizza yeah yeah it's a better version of hawaiian right i love i i love a maybe i should get the pineapple on a pizza um but oh ben's taking a buzz lightyear this is the bucket we got yesterday when we saw the movie oh wow oh it's a bucket yeah it's pretty good oh it's the high-tech bucket in the package and you can take the buzz out to put the popcorn in yeah it's like these gosh these things get so elaborate now that you're like where does the popcorn go yeah yeah that's really nice it's very fancy yeah but we're gonna end this episode so i can get pizzas or final thing you want to say marie no i'm just wondering like this you know toy story 4 definitely felt like a woody and bo peep side adventure this is a jesse side adventure right where do they go next because i feel like do they go back to the buzz well or is there what is the next character to get their own well the nts of course is that the the high-tech buzzes have droned their way down to a playground to find themselves a bunch of kids and then high-tech zerg is revealed yes i was i couldn't wait to find out what the greatest villain voiced by no the greatest villain is bowser jr but correct andrew stanton understand yes i learned that from the finding emo was there a second post-credits thing yes we missed it bad bunny and forky rapping along with all the other toys it's pretty fucking great it's uh actually great i would call it a bump uh cool yeah that's great yeah but like what is your as someone who's very dialed into this what do you think just were you happy he was happy i know it's just like i feel like that's just it's just you're no i was happy with it we just want you to be happy yes and are you are you made your smile i've made your smile standing standing strong standing tall uh no i think the big thing is and and this is another thing i hold against three is like three is the movie i imagined would be the third movie and four and five and two all did things i never could have guessed and that's what i like about this series and i think that's what stanton's really smart at is he continues to kind of sit down and not go like a to b on the store of stories now this is a ben hosley tweet from november 2014 so this is before blank check wow he maybe knows us a little bit okay writing a prequel to the movie my girl about the bees this is what i'm saying he's incredible as well but yes he does want the first you love a prequel start i guess i want to i want to know where it started yeah i don't know in a beehive and where and where did this podcast start what is the prequel to blank check why of course it's the phantom menace that's so true it all comes back to prequel that was the beehive of our uh 10 year long allergic attack that has been this movie i'm gonna go get these pizzas he's so hungry thank you all for listening please remember to rate review and subscribe next week is who's that knocking at my door and boxcar bertha a special guest free uh scorsese intro marty doubleheader and over on patreon we just recently kicked off our resident evil commentary series so what are we up to right 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