TOPT Call In Stream: Episode 28

Hi, it says we're live. So I hope we are. Oh guys, let me know if we're live. I mean, if you can hear my voice, if you can hear the sound of where we are, we are. All right. Hello, hello, and welcome everyone to another episode of the T O P T call and stream. My name is Sebastian, and I am here joined by a few of my mods and staffers in Twilight, Toby, and Reggie. It is officially Saunji season. So we will only be taking Saunji related question. I'm joking. I'm joking. But I am hyped that my boy finally got revealed to be a conquerors hockey user. Really happy about that. But yeah, it should be a good stream, everyone. I do kind of have a hard stop at like 830. So we'll try to keep this in a timely manner for everybody. Today, I have to fly out really early in the morning tomorrow. So I have to do some packing and get my apartment ready to host some people while I'm away. But yeah, it should be a lot of fun. For those of you that aren't familiar with the call and streams, we used to do calls directly on the live from Monday's episodes, but we just ran out of time, typically with the studio sessions that we have. We might be able to start going back to calls on the live streams on the actual podcast, but we decided to go on a separate direction and do Collins a specific stream for Collins dedicated to hearing you guys, getting your theories, getting your takes, getting your rants, whatever you guys want to talk about. But in order to be a caller in order to have a guaranteed slot in these calling streams, you'll have to be a tiered member on the discord. So a warlord tier or higher on our discord will grant you access to our T O P T voice channel that houses the call and only stream entrance and basically we'll drag you guys up from there and then we'll get time to kind of ask us any questions you want, feel any theories that you want. I do say please be mindful of other people's time. Again, I have a short shorter time window this week just because of travel tomorrow. But yeah, it's a lot of fun. If you guys haven't already, please like the stream. It does help with the YouTube algorithm. I see a bunch of people in chat already. So welcome and thank you. Oh, also for people who do want to join, but aren't members, aren't tiered members, you can join with a donation. Basically, if you super chat five dollars or more and let us know you want to be a caller, that can probably get you in as well as every, I think three gifted memberships will equal out to that so that you guys can be added in as well. So sometimes people donate on behalf of others to get more callers in. That's awesome. I love to see that. I really do appreciate that. If you guys do want to try to win a lottery or donate a stream or donate a call in session, join the call waiting room and you might be able to be dragged up as a result of somebody's generosity. So thank you guys for doing that. I see a bunch of people in here. I see Casey Griffin, Sunnets here, Fremos is here, Whale is here, Gentle 99964, David Eogs, T-Roll. Just so many all in here. We really appreciate it. Twilight was going on. Toby was going on. New Haven is here. Some malls, Jordan is here. Just so many. I mean, loose dog. We really appreciate you guys being here. Typically, these streams might only be me. A company by some staffers and mods. The twins typically don't join these and Larry may jump in. I haven't talked to him about him joining today. It's a maybe. I know he's a little depressed after he found out Sunnets was a conqueror. He won't listen to me now. Sounded for years. Some for years it was going to happen. He won't listen. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, man. A lot of people in here looking forward to talking to the guys. I might let Asanji fan in here for free. You know, I'm saying just so they can talk about about the gold, man. Oh, my boy, man. Twilight, you could take the day off they want, man. You know, I'm saying, it's going to be a lot of Sunji season today. See, it don't it don't bother me as much as I think it did Larry. I just I when it comes to Zoro and Sanji, it can go either way for me. You already know, the straw hat I care for is broke. Sunji season in the middle of Brook season. Crazy. Anyway, but yeah, I see a bunch of people here. Let's get some super chats as well before we get into some calls. And again, if you guys have anything you guys want to say, let me know by all means you guys get first dibs on these types of streams. So we got 13 months at Fremos from a Nakama status. It says, did you guys see the new rocks SBS info? I did. Lino sent it to us in our group chat. I think it confirmed rocks is age. I think he's confirmed to be five years older than Roger. Something about him not lacking Derry. So he's like like tocent tolerant. Maybe like Spacardi says he'd be 81 right now. So seven years older than white beer. And he was 43 at God Valley. So rock as far as the primes in one piece ago, I think people would say your prime is ages like 37 or so to like 45. I'd say maybe longer, depending on who you are as a character. But yeah, it seems as though rocks was smack dab in the middle of his prime when it all happened, when it all went down. Maybe he had some room to grow as well, but it's good to have those type of stats on him, like how old he was. We get a real gauge. I don't know that we ever got confirmation on how old Harold was in human years, but he was probably around the same age in terms of human years, probably like 45 or 40 something. Did you see that box? I don't know. Yeah, it was, it was, that SVS was something. It was a whole bunch of nothing from what I saw. Yeah, I think we also got confirmation about Marco. Yeah, Marco's dead. Yeah, Marco. To be honest, but like, you know, big guy first one was what was one of the first questions was what was Nami's special attack? Oda confirmed it was the boot press. I will say this. I will say this in regards to the Marco and his dad thing, I did like that the confirmation was there that this person became a partner for white beard probably his first like mate, you know what I mean? And I do agree. Yeah, I think that works. It's always kind of worked in the sense of like Marco had this seat seemingly even when he was younger and weaker than like Odin, like why do you have the first commander seat? And it's like it seems now that we have full, you know, rather than like we have the whole picture, it was in honor of his white beard's probably first mate, first real crewmate, probably first real friend in the pirating world that he considered a crewmate. So yeah, shout the polo gram, shout the Marco Polo. Yeah, but let's move on. We have five gifted memberships from David Yokes. So that will allow for I think two people to join the calling stream. So thank you, Davey. Appreciate that for the Nakama Fissup. Another two from Tiro, you got to put 30 second limit if the topic is Sanji. Nah, man. Nah, no limits on Sanji conversation. You got another five from Senate. It's five month, five months at Nakama status. It says Sanji season, let's go. Yes, sir, man, you already know, right? And another 10 from Tyrone Bigums, it says may I get a call in? Sure, man. Tyrone, what is your name on YouTube or on Discord? I don't know what it is exactly, but join the call waiting room and I'll drag you up. If it's Tyrone, Bigums, I'll be able to see you easily or paying like Twilight or Toby or Reggie, and they'll let me know exactly which one is you. And every time I hear that name, every time I hear that name. But all the fixes, all the fix. Oh, man. But I, yeah, ready? Now, I guess before we get started, y'all said, yeah, I might have something y'all wanted to talk about. Talk to me. I know you said you said something to my light. Reggie, Toby, what's going on? Oh, mine was more or less. What's up? What's Toby about to go on? I was actually going to go first. Yeah, no, I was just going to say I liked the, because it's not my theory or anything. It was just something that was even brought up yesterday that I actually think there is kind of a something that I could see towards it with Emu having Joyboy's body, like having taken over that, because I feel like there's an avenue where the shadow, it more or less stemmed from me thinking about how different the personalities are between what Joyboy or how Emu acts when he's in a shadow form compared to when we see him fully like uncovered more or less any what we see on Elbath basically and I feel like with how childish and like start to explain I just see that there's I could see that there's some credence to them being two different bodies and we know Joy Boy and Emu were at least close to some extent from that small little flashback we've seen of them laughing together so what do you think about it in that aspect yeah I think I mentioned before I don't know how to phrase this exactly but I always called Emu a little bitch like I always kind of got that vibe for him he's always felt more a roachy and spandom than a kaito I don't know exactly why I feel that from him but it's just things he's done he seems he acts like a child yeah yeah in his when he's shadowed out he acts like a complete child like every time Joey boys brought up it's it's like a trigger he instantly just starts screaming feeling on it if I'm not if I'm being honest borderline crying but yeah I just feel like but see the only reason I suppose it won't even be accurate to say it could be Joy Boy's body because I definitely hope Joy Boy wasn't acting like that is what I was initially saying was the the body that he's got to have has to have a 10 has to have 10 sees of the actual original person and that's why it's the two conflicting personalities like battling yeah for me my other and I know that the silhouette piece is what it is right like the silhouette that's never really mattered in one piece but I will say in terms of how I've always viewed it how do I say this with with Joy Boy and Emo if Joy Boy supposed to be this devil like figure and I think I mentioned this last night there is credence to him just having this jealousy of Joy Boy right like the devil was jealous of God you know what I mean like that's what it's supposed to if it's supposed to be emulative of that it's supposed to have some maybe tie into that in the actual lore in the actual story of what's happening here between these two people and being jealous of this stronger physical person is something that Arochie was jealous of without it you know what I mean so I I can see that being a thing I just don't know if he went as far as to take Joy Boy's specific body and I don't know if I would like that as a development of these two people's story as a whole also like I mentioned with the silhouette like he just doesn't seem to look like Emo in the silhouettes that we've seen of him and maybe that's not where I see it but I don't see it like getting to the long white hair wings I got I'm not seeing any of that and maybe it's a transformation that he has to go through to get to that but I'm just not seeing any of the Emo or he does is joy to the silhouettes of we've seen of Joy Boy don't seem like Emo to me and even the the stories we hear about Nika and obviously it's possible they're just two completely different people or whatever but like that doesn't seem like the Emo that we're seeing either right so I'm like I don't I don't know that he has his body I think it's possible it's somebody's body that's not his but I don't know what I'm gonna say was the whole Emo having Joy Boy's bodies what made me start thinking about that the two that very well could be two separate bodies and before I forget there was actually it's because that was relatively short there is one last thing that was initially my original point that I wanted to ask your thought on before I forget that's another little short thing you know how Zenisha and Emmett were both apologizing to Joy Boy like in memory of in Joy Boy's memory they were apologizing to him do you think it has something to do with what Emo said about the children on L bath 800 years ago or however I think it was yeah 800 you think it has something to do with that which is ultimately what led to Joy Boy's defeat is that Emo used the children against him and in some way maybe his maybe his crew had a hand in it unwilling like unknowingly like Emo tricked his crew into allowing the kids to be captured which ultimately led to Joy Boy's defeat because Joy Boy chose the children over winning the battle I could definitely see that and even the time with Emmett specifically is I think the the giant robot house that we see on L bath I don't know if he's directly involved but in general something happened where people felt the need to apologize to other people on multiple occasions and whether that's broken promises is Joy Boy alluded to or unfulfilled promises or like just not holding up your end of a bargain or doing something that you know betrayed your allies or comrades like the way Emo seems to be he'll try to win by any means I could definitely envision him having used children in this way especially now that he's saying it he's bringing it up now like that could be the focal point of why the apologizing is what's happening I didn't exactly put two and two together there when I first read it but I could definitely see it yeah I just I feel like he brought it up at an interesting point especially with Luffy coming so soon after I don't know it was just it was just a little side thought I'd definitely something I'd have to think about a lot more yeah I think on it I got to think on it that was it that's all from me Toby I don't got to do I let someone let's go okay ready I got a thought or take but I think it was talked about already though if that's cool yeah it's about the night of the hour Saunji you understand okay initially when Emo touched down and he already finished up with Zoro and them and went on to Saunji's area the initial kick that Saunji went in with that Emo blocked it with the little spacing and whatnot and the lightning effects for the conquer signalling is that only Emo and his conquerors that's being utilize at that moment or Saunji like also it was like showing a song for foreshadowing because he had a couple moments this one or what not of him like showing the potential but something holding him back before I had a question and ironically I'm saying it was to Larry but agreeably the German genes had nothing to do with his conquerors hockey didn't help back it was something else but at that time I couldn't you're saying people using the women thing would not but I think it was twilight or somebody said the last show or the twins maybe yesterday about the love for women and protecting your family would not which is a great point so he's not the only conqueror that did that like rocks he was crime by his family would not so yes up to the dead in my mind for a minute well I agree with your premise of the second part I don't think the the attack he did on Saunji like the like the the conquerors hockey that we're seeing I don't think Saunji's involved in that okay yeah I don't know what it's mostly because Saunji's defending there like then it's not like a clash of wills in my pain as much as it is like him just like he kicks it's blocked and then he's kicked right there's a one scene there like after the initial kick that you could maybe like I'm looking at it is chapter 11 yeah maybe that's conqueror's I wouldn't I still wouldn't I'd say I I'm at it yeah I don't think so now I'm not now loading I wish I'd been able to hashtag that but now loading you know me mm-hmm I appreciate that it was definitely loading man you have to be a king man you can you know what we're about to them God be a king sir all right I do see our glorious king Larry joined the show I don't know if you could hear me or not what's on Larry we can't hear what's going on guys I think you was gonna make it today I'm here I'm here in order Saunji I wish I'd have a good fight but yeah good bro bye you I mean, I'm sure if I've been out with the crew and live live to the end and get with the community, I want to find it here without you. Yeah, you don't want to trio guy. Reggie being capable for zero inside these simultaneous. Yeah. Greatness is great. This baby. All right. Let's get into it, man. Um, I do believe that will was the first person waiting. So let's get willing here. Will. Are you there? Hello, hello. How's it going, man? Yeah, not too bad. Thank you very much, Seb. How are you? Shilling, bro. It's it's sound you see in some hype. What's up? Of course. Well, I got some sauce for you then my friend. Talk to me. Oh, very, very quickly. I just wanted to say Larry back couple months ago. I was listening to some of the old pods and you gave a recommendation of a V for vendetta. And and me, me, my girlfriend watched it together, absolutely made it, especially being from England myself. It was so good. One of my favorite movies of all time, man. I could quote it like bar for bar. You can't. Yeah, it's impeccable and I was going to say to you seen as you like that. There was a movie that came out last year. I believe it's called like the anniversary. It's got Dylan O'Brien in it. Definitely check that out. It's good movie as well. Some of the lines. Have you have you started. Have you started just letting your words flow with V to start? I wish I wish you wish. Yeah, I'll get straight into it. I had this theory for a while like roughly like egghead time, but that on it for a bit. And then as things have been going in LBF, it's looking better and better to be honest, but I went my notes out. It's only a quick one anyway. What's the day calls? I guess you could just call it King of German. Okay. So it's like it's all very loose, but it just starts with I believe like during the final war with Luffy going on to become the king of the pirates and Zoro also King of hell. I believe that Sanji with his conquerors hackies is also going to need a title of King. I believe during the final war. Sanji will acquire his advanced conquerors hackie. However, this will only happen after a possible change of character with judge some sort of character development, whether it be him. Conceived into Sanji's mythology, methodology, sorry, and his ideologies and him abstaining from the throne and maybe passing it on to Sanji, making the German kingdom an ally in the final war. However, this is not within his character at all to accept something of this high status. And you know, I believe that he would want to stay with a crew and keep adventuring even after the story. So that lead me to believe that he would advocate it himself after the war in utilizing German resources and advocating it to raise you. Do I believe will almost reform the kingdom and use that technology worldwide and helping other countries rebuild in the new dawn and that's pretty much it. Of the idea of raise you becoming the king or queen of germa, I really like that. She's always seemed the most like competent of the German siblings, Sanji included. And I feel like she's everything that judge needs, but doesn't understand yet like like she still has some level of emotion, she still has her wherewithal she still understands both Sanji and her other siblings like she gets it all. And I don't know, I feel like he's been trying to make this all like my sons have to do this, my sons have to do that when he's had an elite kind of option for everything with radio the whole time, I think that'll be cool. Women do it. That's mine. Yeah, I mean, I like the idea of him advocating the throne that's a radio. I don't know that she would want it though. That's my question. Like what should that be something she wants. I'm not sure about that. Like I want her to have agency in here too. If this is something she's desiring, then cool. But if it's just like, Hey, take over this throne for me because I don't feel like doing it. I don't know if I like that per se. And in terms of Sanji's kingly effort that I don't know, I put a couple options in the chat, you put king of germa, I put a king of love, king of the heavens, maybe something else. Yeah, I don't know. What you think, Larry, about radio on the throne, running north blue. I wouldn't mind it. I think it would go towards like the carrot of Pokemon ductum type vibe. That would be pretty cool. Well, will appreciate the call, man. I saw you in there a little early, bro. Thank you. Because yeah, it's obviously time zones and now I wanted to get in quick so I can go bad. Yeah, what time is it over there for you? Just hit in 11, but I have to get up pretty early show and you might be asleep. Well, just just know I'm ruined for France and the world cup, but I have heard of it. I've heard all the chance about bringing the cup home finally bringing it all back home. Yeah, yeah, I like the second, you know, my second choice, but for my parlay, I need friends second the best second the best. Can you get you some sleep, man? Have a go. Yeah, nice one, gents. I did, I did say news, both you and Larry DM. If you ever get times, check it out. I'd love it. But either way, both of you and the rest of you guys in this call chat everyone take care of a lovely day. Love peace. Have a good one, bro. Yeah, thank you, buddy. Appreciate it. Well, man, respectful, man. Thanks. He said king of curves, kings of sims. King of cooking. King of cooking. Simp king is good. I like that. It's funny. Simp king, no. We got on the five from David Yokes. It says, what do y'all think Obama met by saying you possess a streak of massacistic instability? So again, some back from you, doc. So to me, it was a odd phrasing. To me, I took it to me that he burdens himself more than he should. He doesn't live freely enough. Whether that's insecurities about his upbringing, insecurities about his place in the world, his self worth, et cetera. That's kind of how I viewed it because those have been like focal points of soggy story in the past. I also viewed it in part him having reservations about going all out in a fight because of the fear that he might lose himself to his germagines. He had the one fight with queen that kind to confirm that he doesn't go all like he wouldn't lose himself, but is that truly confirmation? I don't know. I don't know if soggy can see that this one example had happened or didn't happen and I'll just accept that. So, I don't know. Somewhere along those lines, him not living freely enough. Larry. What do you think a bond meant by you possess a streak of massacistic instability? I remember I looked that up and I tried to see what that meant and it just kind of got brought up as like a pattern where somebody like. Unconsciously creates or remains like an unstable, painful conditions because that's what they're familiar with or they feel they deserve or. It's like they're trying to fulfill some emotional need. So they enter like unhealthy relationships and stuff like that. No one will be hurt. Feeling uncomfortable when like life is peaceful and then cycling between like emotional highs and lows. But they're still drawn to like this stress. So it's like. It basically explains what soggy is always going through. And, um, yeah, I think that's what your bond basically meant. How could he tell that from just meetings on you for the first time? I have no idea. Massacistic entity. I can feel a deep turmoil within you like what I guess based on what y'all just said like is that like stemming from the trauma of his childhood? I just hit my head yeah I just hit my head yeah what have to be like it yeah very easily could especially let's his upbringing and what how his childhood went mm-hmm because he had a hammer on his head he only had one eye out like that's the same thing all that he was traumatized yeah I cook it wait till before loop when I see that soon I'm sorry I said all right let's get the next caller in here I don't remember who was next I want to say it was either scrubs or sonnet I think those scrubs though I'll go scrubs king of scrubs you there hello hey how's it going man hey how's it going guys? shillin man talk to me what do you want to talk about today you got a theory question rants um it's it's you know I guess you can say it's a theory I'm gonna apologize to Larry ahead of time because I'm here to talk about Blackbeard today you have a name for the theory? Blackbeard the real final villain okay so let me pull this up I wrote a little something here all right at its core one piece is a sweeping exploration of freedom and the heavy price required to achieve it while he moves serves as the ultimate symbol of absolute oppression and systemic control the narrative's true thematic climax belongs to Blackbeard Luffy and Blackbeard are fundamentally two sides of the same coin both are driven by unyielding desire for total freedom but they're more compasses point in opposite directions while Luffy's freedom is rooted in joy camaraderie and liberation Blackbeard's freedom is dark selfish and built on trampling anyone who stands in his way as the ultimate homage to the real world history's most infamous pirate Blackbeard represents piracy in its purest most chaotic form making him the most fitting final antagonist for the pirate epic the real genius of positioning Blackbeard as the final obstacle lies in the philosophical trap Luffy will face after defeating the world government by taking down Emu and shattering the chains of absolute oppression Luffy will successfully grant total unrestricted freedom to the entire world however the tragic irony and the ultimate price of that victory is that this newly liberated world also frees someone as dangerous as evil as Blackbeard to unleash chaos without restraint the final conflict won't just be a battle of strength but a test of Luffy's ideals how does the ultimate liberator handle the dark side of the very freedom he fought so hard to unleash now I know at this point I feel like we're going to learn more about Emu than honestly then we do you know Blackbeard but I think Oda is saving Blackbeards kind of story and his motivations and his like true intentions towards the end of the story right even you know Blackbeard for me I think gives Luffy more than just like a real fight but just something like he's fighting for freedom they both are and I think Luffy is going to come to come around and like generally have to instead of just kicking this problem away which he easily can I think he has to put more thought into it and really like stand and think about like his stance on this on freedom so that's my two cents I don't know what you guys think about it Larry okay so I'm still in the Emu's the final villain but I can see a world that you like that eludes to what you're speaking on in terms of like oh we finally accomplished this but now it opens up the avenue for the actual chaos agent in the world Blackbeard who does have a narrative stance to be like a final villain like this so I feel like I like it in that respect I think I've mentioned it before a while ago and like it's been a consistent stance for me that I've always looked at Blackbeard as the last barrier for Luffy to become Pirate King and then once he becomes Pirate King he learned the truth at Raftell and then take his eyes or set his sights on the world government after learning the truth that's kind of the flow of the things how I've always looked at it like recent developments in the story have kind of gotten me more to a okay Blackbeard could potentially be the final villain because his sights are also the world and the relevancy has to the once I guess cuchingle the world with David Jones and rocks is you know revelations and kind of how how quickly we're seeing Emu move and get his skill set and powers like revealed and potential backstory revealed you know as I'm still torn personally as to like which I would prefer I think I'd still prefer the Emu one being the final villain but if I do think there's a world where you can write it well enough to make Blackbeard the final one I just I would really need to be in his bag though for that because he's he's like the ultimate quintessential pirate villain and like Emu has dominated the world for so long it feels a little jarring for him to be removed from that perch for this other person who's been cheating one can argue that's true piracy it is like that's the thing it can be well written it can still be jarring I like to I can't you I can't you I don't know I kind of I go back and forth on this one every time I still I still see Emu as the final villain until he ain't but maybe that's my masochistic instability regarding Blackbeard how about that listen I'm just here saying what I think is you know my an option I'm saying it's the only option that's fair so I think Blackbeard is the final villain I think Davies will and Blackbeard I guess you could say get back first father I feel like it matters more than enough for order to make that decision to make them overtake whatever Emu's running out there so that's probably as simple as well I can explain it without yeah for like three minutes I think Blackbeard somehow reaching that pedestal would have to depend on Davie himself and what Davie meant to the world in the past so I can see Emu overthrowing Davie and then Davie having a really really important role on the world maybe his family was in control of the first world and then in a second world he fell to Emu and then maybe that would determine that Blackbeard and his revenge on Emu or just trying to shape the world towards what he believes is freedom will dictate what freedom was before Emu came through I think that's probably the only way that I probably accept it wholeheartedly because then he becomes bigger than Emu you know like I've said before Emu has reigned supreme for the past 800 years he was the nemesis of Joy Boy who clearly has so much impact on the story and that doesn't really fall towards Blackbeard right now and if it is to fall towards Blackbeard then that means that Davie had to have a bigger role or an equal role to Emu and Joy Boy we just haven't been revealed to it yet which makes sense since Blackbeard's backstory besides God Valley and rocks we don't really know much about so I think it's going to be very interesting to see how Otto plays it out and if he does it right then I can see how Blackbeard could be the final villain yeah I definitely see that I think you know to rebuttal my own story like I think the only problem especially the way you put it is for me it would have a similar taste amount as to like the Naruto and Sasuke or Dio or it's like you know he's there the reincarnation so like I think that's the only reason I I hope it's a little bit different than that because then it's just coming down to oh a reincarnation and or a family member of Davie versus you know Joy Boy or I should say Nika you know I mean like that's my only problem against that because I do like Luffy hopefully being different from Joy Boy or Nika or something like that because then that's for me that's Luffy. Luffy's always been about himself, not about himself, but he's always done him, right? And I just hope that it doesn't go in that direction because, again, then it just turns into like the narrative situation and that was something I personally didn't like about the ending of narrative. But I get your point though. Now I agree. I think that's where one piece will differentiate. It's based on willpower. So even though there's a lot of nepotism in one piece, Oda has made it clear that even though it is important, that usually doesn't make the person important. Like if Whitebeard's son is really weevil, weevil is never going to be as important as Whitebeard, you know? If the dawn that was in the rocks pirates was the true father of beige, beige is never going to be as important as what he was, you know? So I get you, but Luffy could always just fail. How can I put this? So have you ever seen the matrix? Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, so Neo was supposed to be the one and then it turns out he really wasn't the one. He was just the one to sacrifice for the system to restart and make a brand new day. So at the end, he kind of failed, but he succeeded. I can probably see that happening with Luffy because how are you going to change the world for the better without having some temporary change? So he can still fail at bringing the dawn, even though the dawn does come. It's all really for like interpretation. It's probably a harder question to answer than the one piece will be to understand, in my opinion. You know what I mean? Like if you take out like a dictator, like who are you going to supplant him with? That's going to bring everlasting change. Or is the world just going to go back into dusk eventually? I mean, peace is not going to be eternal, right? That's kind of impossible to put on somebody's shoulders. But at the end of the day, it depends. Like, are we going to agree with Blackbeard's freedom? Does he have the right way of looking at freedom? Well, or will Luffy? Because Luffy has been challenged before on his view of freedom. He did it with Hannibal and Impeldown, where he was so selfishly wanting to save Ace that he freed all these other pirates that would bring great harm to villages or cities around them. And Luffy didn't care. And Hannibal was right at that instance. You are considered evil. You are going to be considered the person that led to a child's uncertainties, like within their future, just because you want to save Ace. So we don't really know, right? And I guess that's what I'm trying to get to is like this, it's going to be so much more complicated by the end of the story than it is right now, because we only see it from Luffy's perspective. Yeah, no, I definitely see that. I think that's why this idea of absolute freedom, I think it's interesting because it's not inherently good or bad, right? You're just giving people that choice. And then that also, like I said, gives Blackbeard the choice to do what he wants. So I think it'll be interesting. But I think that's where other characters like Dragon and whoever is in charge of the Marines at that point, whether it is a Kanye or something like that, I think that's where other characters are probably going to come in step in, because again, at one piece in general, as much as we love the crew and the straw hats, it's more than just them, it's more than just Luffy. So I think, yeah, I can't wait to see how this ends because I think it's going to blow all our minds. But you know, this might just send to why Blackbeard I think I could get the villain, but I could see why I could see why not. But thank you guys for hearing me out. Yeah, man. Of course. Have a good night. Good one, guys. Good to, bro. All right. We did get another couple super chats that came in while we were on with Scrub. It says 10 pounds or heroes. I don't know. I can never tell. From Will, who's just on. It says, appreciate the love, guys. Hard emoji. Let's get some more callers in. Hashtag football is coming. Oh, I don't know, man. I don't know. Hope not. Hope not. We got another two from Moonlight. It says, Sanjee's effort that is King of Hearts. Look on wiki trust. Did they actually change it? No, I'll think they did that. But I guess they could have. Another two from David Yokes. Who will join cross-gill? Wait, who will the cross-gill to run into first? Hashtag bang, bang, buggy gang. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like cross-gill's goal. Or their purpose in the story is to preoccupy the Marines, so they can't really be a focal point for Luffy and Blackbeard's ventures in the New World. That tells me that'd be running into the Marines first. Now, maybe that is in the free and people from Impel Down storyline that basically has been theorized by every single one of these YouTuber and fan at this point. I think it does make sense. I think I've alluded to them being in emulation of the Rock Spirits in some way. So other random, strong pirates in the world that are free agents could end up finding their way to cross-gill. People like, I don't know, maybe law. I don't know. I don't know that Boa would, unless she's convinced to do so by like Gloriosa. I've mentioned that the remnants of Big Moms crew could find value in linking up with cross-gill so that they can get putting back from Blackbeard. I still believe that Judge and Caesar have a natural home in cross-gill. So Neo Mads would be my choice for the first people to join, to kind of fulfill all the things that they were looking for in their Yakko counterparts during their actual storyline. So, I don't know, somewhere in that ilk, somewhere in that lane. Another Nakama join the ship in Uzumaki. Welcome and enjoy all the emojis that come with being a Nakama. And then Project Iceman do it in another five gifted membership should get some more people in here. But thank you ice, throw the Nakama, fix up, or use the new emojis that we have available in chat. All right, let's get the next caller in. I want to say it was either loose or sonnet that was next. I'm going to go with loose. Loose. Talk to me, ma'am. Hello, hello. How's it going, ma'am? Going good. What's up, what's up? Sure. You have a theory or a question? What's up? I got a question and I get right into it, I guess. All right, title card. Oda's worst moments. I'm coming for the king today. So, in light of recent streams, I thought, you know, you all are debating some Oda moments, what he's writing, what he's not writing. And I thought, what are some universal moments as a community that we don't, that we ask, you know, we don't like and makes us kind of go, Oda, what are you doing? This isn't it. And so I collected five and I thought we'd rank them. Okay. So first, I got Pelbeen revived. Okay. Second, I got Meehawk versus Vista. Okay. I got Sanji at Fishman Island. Okay. I got Sabo escaping the throne room. Okay. And I got the Foxy arc. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, saw being alive. No. I thought that was just more like we all, we all knew that wasn't going to go anywhere in a bit of a gag. And in terms of the most egregious revive, I thought, Pelbeen is by far the most egregious revive. I do agree with the Fishman Island, what was Sanji? I'll agree with that. You said rank them from worse to lease worst. Yeah. I think like what like number one being like with the most Oda, what are you doing? Modens and five being the number one's gotta be Pell. It's the one that I had I had alabaster as a 10 out of 10 arc and then Pell lived. Footed that way. It still hurts me this day. Number one spell for me. Number two, as much as I hate the nosebleed stuff, I liked the what we got from it. Like where we ended up as a result of like, oh blood transfusions and the deep emotional like situation there with Fishman Island and like the bigotry and everything. [BLANK_AUDIO] like that, I just thought getting there was stupid. Like we could have got there more organically better way. I don't think Sable was escaping the throne room is all that. I think that's pretty standard, one piece of stuff. So I might put that at five. No, Keenamon still, no, no, Keenamon again. - I have that as my, it's in my honorable mentions. My honorable, maybe you can swap some out here. My honorable mentions where I got Luffy versus Crocodile, Keenamon's death fake out. Shanks losing to a sea king. I know that's kind of getting retcon though. And then I put Sable, maybe. - Because Sable, Amnesia should have been there. - Sable's story has to finish. But if Sable doesn't like, I think do anything like super, super cool. I'm gonna think his character is pointless. But like the Amnesia thing is like, I think he gets one. He gets one Amnesia moment in this thousand chapter series. And so I didn't want to press him too much for that. - And you said the other one was Mehawk versus Vista. I don't think that should be here. - I said Mehawk Vista and the Foxy arc. - I don't think that should be here. I'm fine with the Foxy arc in general, 'cause I enjoyed it, but like, I'm fine with also it being here. I don't know, what's your ranking of these five, bro? What's she thinking? - Sanji, Fishman Island arc. - I legit quit the show, 'cause of it. - I'd have to agree with Seb. I think the Pell one is really bad, for sure. I think the next one would be the Foxy arc. Oh man, I hated the Foxy arc. - It had this moment, it had the. - Naive of them. - Hold on, hold on, you're telling me that Zoro's speech to chopper was hard. That wasn't he. - At this point we rock in there, come on now. - Let's see, bro. - Okay, look, come on, let's see, chopper. If the Foxy arc's like 20 chapters, if I were to tell you, we get no Foxy arc and we just get 20 more chapters now, are you really gonna tell me anything from the David Beck? Come on, one, one, I have a soft spot in my heart for the Foxy arc, because I sniped that rocks, got his crew, the David Beck. - And that one, the David Beck, I was gonna come up. - One that happened without the Foxy arc, okay? So sniped it. But we probably could have did without it, or at least had a better situation going on. Like it, I don't know. They could have just made G8 a bigger thing. - I think the G8 arc is great, I wish it was Canon. - I think we all just kind of imagined it to be Canon, you know? Yeah. - Okay. Wait, so what was your five letter? You said, Sanji won, Pell 2, Foxy 3. I don't think I stopped you there. - Yeah. - Sabo and the Thorn Room 4 and then Vista and Meehawk 5. - Cool. - That's how it looks. - Mnees just should have been on here, man. That's what I'm saying. - I thought about it, but I just-- - Incredible. - At least in Thorn Room, hand to hand. - Absolutely, terrible. - We, we, we, you know, he human, you know? He gonna make mistakes. I do think I'm giving him grace for the Vista, Meehawk 1, but I do think we would have solved a lot of problems with Meehawk and his story. If we just had him deal with Vista, the way the admirals were dealing with the other Yonkel commanders. So. - Hey. - It's because I ranked, it's funny. I ranked mine as Sabo escape into Thorn Room Bean, like the most egregious. 'Cause that was the one where it is like kind of one piece that like people escape. But like these are seemingly like the five most end game care, like our six most end game villains. - Yeah, he had, from King Cobra, like what would it help? I don't know. - I read that, I don't know. I read, when I read that, that was the most. I was like, Sabo better do something. 'Cause like, what's the point? If like, I don't know. I think it just downplays the villain so much. And like, I'm not like, it's not this anywhere near the same level to me. But like, Emu also like getting punched by Luffy's kind of, you know, that's a conversation that's been brought up. I just think that Oda is like, these little moments are just making Emu seem like less intimidating and I really don't like it. And so that's why I had Sabo's number one. But then I had Pell being revived. 'Cause that just set like such a worst tone for the series because like, just kill off these like characters that are coming back. - So I will, I will say this, I will say this. I will say this, probably the first time you'll ever see me, probably last time you'll ever see me. Defend Pell surviving on camera. If Pell dies, does Ace's death hit his heart? - Yes. - You think so? - I think. - 'Cause it's like-- - 'Cause to me, there was no chance Ace was dying. To me, it was no chance because Pell had survived. You hear what I'm saying? Like, okay, there was no chance Ace was gonna die because Pell had survived. - In my mind, it's just that like, there was enough time. Like, Marine Ford was like 400 chapters later. If you're watching in the anime, it's like hundreds of episodes later. It's like, we can have a story where people die and it still be like a surprise. Like the main character's brother, like I still think he would have hit. And it's like, and it's a nook, dude. You can never tell me that like the whole premise of the arc, he tanked a nook. It's like, he has to. He has to die. It's like, you can't not make him. It's like, so yeah. I think it sets such a different tone. It like makes one piece more of a children show having Pell being revived. It's like, you can't even do that. It's like, what are we doing? It says like, yeah, I don't know. I understand what you're saying, but I will not be swayed. - Okay, what's that? I tried. You're right. - Yeah. - And I know you don't even believe that. I know, I know deep in your heart, you don't even believe it. - Not that. (laughing) - All right. - Loose, appreciate the call, man. - Thank you. - Yeah, no problem. Peace to y'all. - Peace. - Peace. - All right. Let's get the next caller in here. I wanna say it was Sonnet. Sonnet, talk to me, man. - Yeah, baby. How's it going, man? - Killing y'all, watching some tennis. Are you a bim? - Good, good, you know? My boy got Conker Saki. It's a dope fourth of July weekend. - Yeah, it's time to tease him. Let's go. - Time to tease him, man. Talk to him. - I had my quick, low peace about perspective. And I think Larry is gonna like this one. - All right. - And it is about rocks. So, let me pick up my notes. I'll try the speed of the little piece. So, rocks, these are back. A man who aimed for the absolute highest position possible. Not the romanticized freedom of the pirate king, but the supreme totalitarian ruler of the world. And yet, what remains of him is not a legacy of defeat, nor a monument to his freedom. What remains is absence. We know mathematically he existed. We know he stood at the apex of an era, casting a shadow over figures who would go on to become gods of the sea. The knowledge of his existence survives only fractured whispers among veterans, not in the annals of history. And that distinction is not merely semantic. It is a defining tragedy and terror of his character. Most antagonists in one piece leave behind a tangible footprint that validates the existence. Even in defeat, they leave ruins, cautionary tales, ideological successes. What's caused on the world, both physically and political? For example, crocodile left the traumatized alabaster, though flamingo left the shadowed in the world. And even joyboy defeated 800 years ago left behind pony lives and inherited rope. The rocks leaves none of them, which suggests something deeply deliberate, orchestrated by the highest echelons of power. It suggests that rocks was not simply killed in battle. He was removed from the narrative continuum of reality. This shifts the fundamental questions surrounding his character. Rocks is not compelling because of the violence he enacted. He is compelling because of the epistemological violence enacted upon him after he fell. So the world government did not simply eliminate a military threat at God Valley. They executed the masterclass in narrative control. By erasing rocks, the celestial dragons and the gorus say, "Denages win a physical war." They defined reality retroactively. They demonstrated that history is not an objective recording of events. It is a curated gallery and they hold the only key. So your existence in this world, world is not only determined by the magnitude of your actions, but by whether the architects of the world permit you to be remembered. And Dr. Hulok famously stated that the man only truly dies when he is forgotten, if that is the universe of love of one piece, then the world government possesses a far more terrifying ancient weapon. The power of enforced absolute death, Iraq's challenge more than the authority, a challenge audition, or figures like Roger or Luffy Sieg to move freely within the margins of the world. Ignoring the rulers to chart their own cause, Iraq's aim to cease the pen itself. He did not want to dismantle the system, to liberate the oppressed. He wanted to overthrow the antitron so he could sit upon it. He did not seek freedom. He sought a monopoly or meaning. He sought control. And his crew was a direct reflection of his philosophy. The rocks pirates were not bound by romantic ideals of unity, found family or mutual loyalty. They were localized apocalypse, a concentration of violently dominant forces held together solely by the gravitational pull of Zbeck's tire-firing presence. It was a cruel governed by the law of the jungle, inherently unstable by design. And when multiple conquests are forced into segregation, structures are also taking time both. So when rocks finally fall at God Valley, the collapse of his empire is entirely expected, an alliance of pure power shadows to moment the singularity of owning it together is extinguished. What isn't expected is a surgical position of what follows. God Valley doesn't just become a ruin, the island itself itself is wiped from the maps. The stage where rocks made his final place literally unnamed, consequently there is no legacy, no cautionary tale, thought to the Marines, no ideological residue left for young pirates to inherit. The world government buried the truth so deep that even Marines, fathers like God refused to speak his name openly. That profound absence refused something fundamentally uncomfortable about the universe of the one piece. History is not a neutral record, it is a manufactured consensus. And this leads to the two chilling implications of rocks. It represents a power beyond Turkey, beyond the roads, beyond the conquests of the sea. There is a power that dictates what is will and hind signs. And most people prefer it because it ends the personal story. Rocks introduce a far more horrifying outcome. That your story can be fully written, your absolute pinnacle of power reached, and then the entire manuscript can be thrown into the fire. And this question is running, Rocks is no longer ready to lost the Roger and Gop. It is a question of existential dread, those losing even matter if the world can flourish it raised the fact that you have a plate. And Rock sees it back is more than a forgotten pirate. He is the ultimate limit case of existence in his world. He is the dark proof that to exist, to conquer and to dominate is never enough. In the end, you must also secure the permission to be remembered. My bad if I spoke too soon, it was a bit long. No, that was great. That's your boy Larry, I'll give you the floor. No, man, you made sense, you spoke well, you know what I'm saying? I think this definitely makes the conversation very interesting between who is more dangerous to the world government, Roger or Rocks. And I loved it, man, you did a really good job. Thank you for doing so much detailed research and putting together something as concise as that. I'm pretty sure it took you some time. Yeah, I did. Thank you. I mean, I listened to your comfort was more dangerous to the world. And my instinct went to Roger because we didn't know a lot about Rocks, but when I looked into a story, I can most definitely confirm that Rocks is the most dangerous to the world government because imagine being a race from history. You don't do that simply because you're the pilot king, just some just some little Rocks plays and it was your name, I'll allow it son, I'll allow it, I'll allow it, bro. I was like, I was gonna buck back, I'm not, I'm not in that mood today, I'll allow it. You're always in that mood. You might as well just do it. I ain't gonna do it, right? I ain't gonna do it. I ain't gonna do it. You put the ball in there. You're always in the mood, said. You're allowed to think that, you know, we all grow, but I didn't think the analysis was great. I did. Rocks is probably one of Oda's like best for in characters in the entire series, genuinely think that for a very reason, like a lot of reasons. One of them is how nuanced the character he is because Rocks knew that they'd probably are racing, but he didn't care about being remembered, he only cared in that moment once teach was born, once he was in dangerous about saving them. He knew what going there meant, he even said it to Harold and he still went. So that's why I love Rocks as a character, I do, I know people call me a rock's hater. I think he's one of the, I guess one of the best for in characters in the series. I still don't think he was more dangerous than Roger, but I don't think he needs to be that to be his own amazing character. So. Yeah. And that's why he's the goat. Yeah, you're trying to trigger me, you keep trying to trigger me, you keep trying to set me over the edge, but I got some rich bidding in me tonight, so that's what. But sonnet, sonnet, I do love when you do these perspectives, man, keep them coming. The last one on Dofi was great. This one on rocks was great. I'm curious where you go next with the sonnet, sonnet's perspective, I wonder, you could probably do this on like 50 different characters. Give me a character and I'll do it because it's going to hurt me to this side. So I'll add me. What's the in between rocks and Dofi Mingo me dragon, the answer is probably black weird, I'll go dragon, give me a dragon analysis, this Larry all dragon, I don't have one quick question, Larry, when are you going to continue streaming, be weak? I think if I don't have a lot to do this week, but if not next week, it's just been hectic. Okay, take care of yourself, man, you're working too hard. It's the twins, bro, Larry's been working to set the twins up so that we can stream from the house a little more smoothly, and it just he's been running to a lot of roadblocks. I know he doesn't typically go into the details of it, but the last three times I've seen Larry, he's been working on that, so yeah, take care of yourself, guys, you want to go down one life, one body, you too, bro, sonnet, have a good one, good one, guys, have a good night. Thank you, all right, who's next, I want to say it was diamond or 3D, 3D Beyond BS, bro, nine times out of 10, I'm going diamond, 3D don't be talking about nothing, bro. Diamond, you there, looking diamond, don't be talking about nothing either. Hey, hello, hello, can you have your name? I said Drake. Yeah, we can hear you there. Yeah, how are y'all doing today? Chill, man, I'm talking about this. Um, I don't have like a couple questions, I'll make a quick, um, I want to say a couple months ago, I called in about like the matchups for Elbe, and I got afternoon night because I said Zoro's going to fight Somers and Saunjaro's going to fight Cillingham, but the reasons were like different, but I just want to isolate myself for a little bit, go off, gang. And then, uh, my, one of my questions is going to be towards Larry, um, besides the Aladdin finish of potty yesterday, but you guys were really talking about Saunjee's potential for conquerors hockey and all that. I mean, first I want to say like, everyone that was hitting on Larry yesterday, like 99 percent of you guys wouldn't like handle half the hate that he received yesterday from all those super chats in the life chat, like, you know, because the shout out Larry, because I mean, I will say I was like collectively like the pods power skill takes are kind of crazy, but like, you guys cook with this. theories and the character analysis, like, um, Deb, like the bread backstory was really good. I was like a combination of all of them. I mean, Larry, like called his spot on about, um, Dunco or Sherry being the, the result of, uh, you know, shady stuff with, uh, Candel and, uh, Holy night. But, um, I guess my question is, we know that that was a poisonous fog that clouded the city and people got sick of it and then Candel ended up passing away. Uh, my question is, if it is related to that God's night, that happened to be Sherry's mother or Guncles, I mean, Sherry's, uh, father, do you guys think that he's a reason Brooke died in the first place? Because as we know, like celestial dragons, my nature are very petty individuals. Like, I think, um, uh, Carlos is, like, first appearance, he took someone's wife and then the guy kind of, like, instinctively, like, said no and then he kind of killed them right away. Probably didn't even wander, but he didn't like that, like, someone beneath and stood up to him. So, um, I started thinking that like, what if, um, it was gonna be another, like, uh, celestial dragon tournament around the time? And, um, they were gonna, so that's the reason why this, uh, God's night, we're on the lower world. And then, uh, despite chance, it happened to get a, a look of Brooke's, a Warner poster. And at first, he probably didn't recognize him because he had the shades and like, a new, like a tie, you know, like the suit, the suit and tie, but he recognized Brooke off of the scar that sure he gave him when she was like, dummy, reversed. And because a lot of the celestial dragons are sadistic by nature. Like, he probably thought it would have been a fun game to go after Brooke and his crew that maybe he could have been directly involved in the, like, passing of Brooke's captain, because we really don't know how he passed away. Just like he did and the Brooke was left to, um, take the leadership role. And then just two kind of, like, make Brooke's life even like, more hell, he found them again. Like, after Brooke was already kind of known as being the captain of the Rondar Pirates and had, like, um, I forget the guy's name, the thing is like Garou. Like, maybe his, like Holy night apprentices or like had Marines attack Brooke and then had him get finished off the same way that he finished off Candel and then possibly like other citizens of the kingdom. So I think that a future, um, like battle, once like the final war happens, this Brooke is going to get his get back against that Holy night. Well, I'm assuming is one of the higher ranked ones like the figurines. Like, maybe not, you know, like rivals to them, but he's still be up there. And then he's going to try to finish broke off the same way. And then knowing Brooke, he's going to, like, he's going to be acting like the poison is working. And then he's going to hit him with the just kidding. I don't have any lungs because he's all bones. And then it'll be like a, like theatrical um, finish where he uses maybe like Candel's own swordmanship against them. But like, what do you guys think about that? Um, so I like it for a few reasons. One, it does stick with the sadistic nature of and then did and then dictative nature of the celestial dragons as a whole. Um, and I could definitely see a situation like that, um, where like he notices, oh, that's that's Candel's squire. He's still alive. I don't think he would let Brooke live. Even if it wasn't in some sort of game or whatever, you know, I'd say that was my only part of it. I thought that was a little might be a little bit more convoluted, but you were just kind of giving a reason for him to be in the West blue or whatever. But in general or in the, the, the new, the grandminer, whatever. But in general, if, if Guro is, is Guro, right, Larry? I think it is. Yeah. Guro. Guro. If Guroers to, to uncover that Brooke was still alive, he'd probably go out of his way to kill him mostly because he saw them. Right. Like, even if it's Brooke clearly doesn't remember correctly, whatever, he would go out of his way to kill Brooke because on some level, Brooke saw Yimu. I'm saying or whatever Yimu was possessing at the time, he saw things and heard things that he wasn't supposed to hear or see. So if this is your job, taking Brooke out is probably going to go high up the priority list. So I could definitely envision him dealing with it. I did also like the thought process of Brooke getting his get back and fighting him in terms of how that would work. I don't know. Brooke isn't a conqueror. I don't think anybody's going that far with Brooke in terms of his story. Maybe people change that up. Now that Saad is a conqueror, but I don't think that personally. I would say it would be an interesting way to make Brooke have a final match up in the God's Knights that does have like a lore background with him. He wasn't able to get his shadow back versus Ryuma. But what if he does is able to get his get back versus Guru? In terms of the poison ability, I also do think that's interesting that it could be like a focal point as to why Brooke is undead or him being undead could play a role in that and it not working on him. I don't know. I think that'd be pretty cool though. I don't know that we need all the extras with the like the hunting competition and all that. But if this dude was to find out Brooke was alive, I do think he'd be high on the priority list to get Brooke up out of there. And I'm using a poison would be in line with him just being a terrible person that he seems to be in the first place. So I don't know. What else you got for that one, Larry? I think that's a dope one. It'd be interesting if either one of his subordinates or himself had Magellan's double fruit to cause that fog and smoke like he did the chlorine thing against Luffy. Yeah, I mean that was that's some time ago. Right? Like Magellan probably wasn't even born at that time when that happened. So I mean, you know, same Brooke doesn't have conquers. It's kind of crazy now. You know, oh my god. What? One day you'll get it, Larry. I'll do my soggy conquerors traits breakdown next week. You'll get it though. Hopefully. Hopefully. Anybody at this point, bruh. Hopefully. They got to have the traits, brother. I have the traits, you know, easily identifiable from other conquerors type traits. You see what I mean? We have already, we can go off of. But no, I think that's dope. And there could be like, like hockey knots, but like a more advanced, not advanced, the modernized version. No, because I genuinely think that the allies of the straw hats or whatever side's going to be fighting the world government. Considering like they might make, I've said this like years ago, but like Usopp using an impact dial, but with like Luffy's conquerors hockey, maybe something like that will be given to like, I don't want to, I guess the straw hats are like notable characters in the alliance. Like maybe, like, you know, jimbe would have one. I mean, I see Usopp have one for sure. But like, the matchup between brook and like guru, I don't think it's just going to be a one on one. I think it's going to be like, like maybe like a like a page row versus time ago type of thing. Where it's like, not going to be a main, like, not going to be the main fight, but there's like animosity between them. And then they're going to have their own like, special moment. But like brook will, yeah. My mind is also going into how brooks devil fruit actually would function against these like undead, revive and like people who are like technically seemingly feeding off of the soul of another person or the abilities of another person. Like, how would his soul abilities interact with the Holy Night truly? I know he interacted with gunko, but like, I don't think there was soul stuff involved in that, you know. Or maybe it's um, I'm pretty sure, I don't think you've seen, now I talk to this point, but Larry Polly has, like when Arochimaru took out the white zetzu and Sasuke, because he was able to like manipulate them with Arochimaru cells, that maybe brook could manipulate the small part in emu that's in all the seals. the covenants. Obviously he's not going to be a full representation of like Emu's strength, but it'll be like, you know, like a drop or something like that. Maybe we could manipulate him that way to kind of separate the the hosts from the covenant. And maybe chopper would be there too since he could like get people out of the dummy. I mean, it's like all ahead of Canyon and we really don't know what's going to like happen, but it's just like one of the ways I think could make sense without it being like too much plot armor. Yeah, no, I can see it, man. I can see it. All right, Diamond. Have a good night, man. Appreciate the call. I'm not you guys too. All right, let's get 3D in here. You know, he'd be on BS. So be careful. 3D. You there? Yeah, what's up? What's going on, man? Oh, you got something real for me today, bro. What do you mean real? I got like a burn man's car theory. Oh, you got piss Larry off, man. Look at me. Oh, man. No, I'm just joking. I'm just joking. I don't I don't mess with that. Okay, so I got a couple of notes here. Just some dots out. You know, I wrote down. Uh, I was wondering like y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all think, um, Emu has a form like Luffy, like, you know, when Luffy gets all dried up and I know, after he uses gear five too much. Yeah, I think Emu has a form like that after using, you know, the form he's in right now. Oh, my hope not. Actually, my immediate reaction was I hope not, but low key and it makes sense. It would be funny. Could that just technically be with the shadow form as that we see the silhouette? Well, I like, I'm twin. I was just about to say it. Yes, sir. And yeah, I also wanted to see like, like what's going to happen? Like, I'll go after she's released from the ice like is, is Emu just going to take over her mind again or if she's going to fight like all the straw hats that are in the area? I think, um, I think that musical, Brooks musical play a role in him breaking, her breaking free from Emu's control in some way. Maybe in conjunction with Luffy as well. So, but like if she, if she breaks the, or if Brooks somehow breaks the covenant, like, what's going to happen to, to conquer it? Because like, her power is going to be taken away. Like is the same thing that Saturn, like it, like it, is that going to happen? Where she just ends that in just, yeah. Is like, how is she, she's pretty old. I would, I would imagine. Or she would, she should be, or would be, she at least be what, what would Brooks say, 80s? Yeah, 70s, I think I was about to say, I think you'd say she might not, she might not die. 87, she instantly aged to, yeah, she might answer that. Would, um, could Bonnie and Vega punk play a role in allowing her to live her life as a, like, or whatever teenage years? No, I mean, like even just back to the teenage years. I don't know, maybe. Oh, you mean Bonnie like uses her devil fruit in conjunction with like, Vega punk technology in some way. I don't know, maybe they're all on the island. So the thing with that though is what that work though with Bonnie, because even, even though she could turn them back, wouldn't they still technically be that age or do we not really have confirmation on how Bonnie's devil fruit works in that aspect? Well, she wouldn't technically be that age, but that's why I say like, with some sort of Vega punk addition. Yeah, because like, Bonnie temporarily turns you into whatever, and then you'll eventually turn back. But if, if Vega punk can make that transformation permanent, I think we're going down a slippery slope, but Oda might be willing to go down that slope with characters that he likes just because, you know what I'm saying? I mean, we're already technically getting that well, it's not confirmed other than what he said at the start, but I mean, it was a good reference in that I think who was already supposed to be long gone, but Vega punks supposedly. I have a whole other question 3D. I'm sorry. I'm hijacking your thought process here. I can't go ahead, man. Question. Speaking of Vega punk, Vega punk technically died, right? Yeah. So does his devil fruit spawn somewhere? Oh, well, I don't, I don't think so because his brain is still alive, right? Well, like he, yes, he died. Right? That's the puts off part because it's not the brain that houses the devil fruit. You know what I'm saying? Like it's buddy, but see, I think the thing is he kept his brain alive, i.e. he himself didn't die because they're still a part of the living him, their original living him that's kept alive through their machinations. And that's kept with the other Vega punks that went to the sky island. Wouldn't it? I mean, sure. I don't know. You don't say it. I don't know. We don't have a lot of, we don't have a lot of people who circumvented death in this way. Look, all I know is that all the other Vega punks should have died. Like they should have just instantly, right? Like they should have died. Like don't forget to knock out and his bird case disappears, but Vega punks dies. And his other satellites are still out here doing the thing. That's BS. Yeah, that's all I agree. No, it wasn't Stella himself technically a clone, but no, it's his body that's on L bath right now. That's the clone. So Stella was the original body. Yes, unless, unless by some way that we just haven't seen yet, Stella did do away when he took his, when he detached his brain and set that up in its own thing. He did away with his original body. So the Stella that we knew was also just a homegrown body, basically. This would be way better than the pelvic situation. Do we have to pull up? Well, Vega punks say that it was a lot of questioning of like what the soul means. And that was like a big thing for him when he was talking to Kuma. But when Vega punks put his brain in that case and it just continued to grow larger and larger. When he cut his head off and replaced it with like that apple stem, he said it worked like Wi-Fi. So I would think that he was Wi-Fiing his consciousness from his brain into the body that was Stella. But it's also the reason why he was able to give all the other ones consciousness too, but like pieces of his consciousness. So I would say as long as the brain is alive, technically that means he's alive. Because if Vega punks who happened to already clone his body to his younger self that he sent to Ohara's destruction where he met Dragon, he says that that still exists. So if he comes back through that body, you're going to think that he just is back to life. But I don't think that's the consensus of it. I think he's just alive and he just threw his consciousness into this now. So can I ask you another thing then Larry? Because while I agree with your sentiment, on some level, Kuma's existence spits in the face of it. Because they shut his brain off completely. And his devil fruit still worked because his body still lived. Like he was still able to functionally use the Paul Paul fruit even without a functional brain. He still did the soul is still there inside the young, but that's what I mean. Like unless he's transferring his soul into the brain, which sure, like I don't know, but like Kuma's who you have an example of a person who's brain didn't work anymore. Their body still worked and the devil fruit still resided in that body and was functionable. And now we have this person again, it is the brain fruit. So maybe it's more focal point because of the type of fruit that it is, but like, I don't know, I'm like conflicted on that. I feel this is like I feel like Vega punk is a loophole and he shouldn't be. But maybe he should be. But I don't know. I think we shouldn't have these types of loopholes, man. Hmm, you all have time for a bit of nonsense. Just one more, man. Just one more. One more. Well, I heard of Rochie Marl being brought up last call. I just wanted to say like I'm not supporting him in what he did, but I just I just want to, you know, everybody hates Arochimaro for what he did to the village and I know he killed like a lot of people and prison, people with tested experiment, but, you know, I think that Atachi and Minato, everybody's favorite characters, they they killed a lot of people as well, you know, and I'm just here to say, you know, it's in the in the war, Minato and Atachi and Ankikashi, a lot of people killed kids, they killed maybe some innocent people, we never know, we don't really know for sure. But yeah, I think there was a time when it's okay to kill kids because Arochimaro was going to kill Yahiko, Nagato, and Konon, and if he did that, the series would be a lot different. I'll stop them, dude. 3d, I'm gonna let you go bro. I'm gonna let you go, dawg. I'm gonna let you, you, you, you have a good day, man. As borderline river did nothing wrong, hopefully you don't have any kids in your life, bro. You know what I'm saying, you know, you have a good night, bro. Arochimaro deserves better, man, come on. No, no, this is what we do on the locker, bro. Arochimaro might deserve better, but you're the Larry eyeball, bro. That was crazy, bro. He says sometimes. No, what did he say exactly? Sometimes it's okay to kill kids? Yeah, that was more barber, barber, dude. That's crazy. I hope we don't get any like strikes for that. Yo, so to go back to the Vega punk thing real quick, can we do that? Yeah. All right, so when Saturn requested that Vega punk take out Kuma's mind, his order of direction was don't leave him with any free will. Okay, okay. So Vega punk in his mind was like, well, that means I'm killing him because he doesn't have any free will anymore. Like there's nothing for him to like he can't choose. He can't do anything. He's not of choice, basically. And then later on as he's about to do it, he starts asking Kuma about his powers and how he could transfer memories with his powers. And he found it phenomenal. And then Vega punk tells Kuma a different definition of death. He says when the body is dead, there's a certain amount of weight that releases from it right after the body passes. And it's 21 grams. And he considers that the soul. So Vega punk's whole body is not complete. I would say that his soul exists within the head. And also he still contains free will because it wasn't taken away. For Kuma's thing though, I would say the reason why he also didn't lose his devil fruit is because his body never truly died. He still had his soul intact. And I would suggest that some of his will power wasn't completely erased either. It was just his free will, but not his will in total. That's why he was able to do hockey hardening against Saint Saturn. No, it's interesting. Like I said, I don't know that it's a loophole or if it's just I'm not thinking of it correctly, because like Kuma didn't technically die. Like you said, like he didn't. Did Vega punk confirm that that piece of him left him even? No, right? No, not from what it said. Like I don't think he ever they showed him weighing differently or whatever. Like I don't think he ever got we got we can get confirmation of that from Kuma. So now, but Vega punk said he was able to observe the soul. Which is honestly the most insane thing he could say in the series. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But we got a couple of super chats to read before we move on. We got two from Wyze Life. It says, how would Garu do in the one piece first? Hashtag, he liked that. I'm assuming this is Garu from one punch man. So Larry, I'll give you the floor. There's nobody could compete. Top one. He moved clip. It's easier. Didn't you read it? I got I got pretty deep. The evolving is crazy. Where he's at right now? I'd say he's still beatable by one piece characters I've seen. But the evolution that he gets he's getting to is kind of crazy. Did you did you see him against Saitama? No. Yeah. Well, the brief skirmishes that they've had, I haven't seen them actually fight Saitama for real yet. No. Tell me what you think after you fight Saitama. So I'm confident that he's going to be top one. But we're out back. Takes him else. Although he probably just they it's in the the layer. He's fine like the demon king. Yeah. Oh, he's fine the demon king. He he's like out of that fighting silver fang and and dude now. So I'm like like that version of him. I'm like, I can see him still taking losses. But he keeps evolving so rapidly. I'm like, even probably in a fight with a one piece character at the top. He'd probably evolve to defeat them in the fight. So maybe I'm already tripping. Yeah. If if we're going to say that Garu, hmm. I mean, that's it. That's just the Garu. I know. I don't that's not the Garu. Most people know. I think the demon king is like really good too though. He's like really strong. I think Saitama just made him look extremely weird. Yeah. Now he was doing was crazy. Yeah. I would think that the demon king probably is like, I want to go like admiral level. I'm gonna keep it a buck. I mean, you might disagree with me, but again, it's Saitama. Yeah. I don't I'm not looking at how Saitama dealt with you. Like if you push Saitama, then that's a whole other thing. Well, I'm not looking at that. I'm just looking at the stuff that he was doing. Some of those beams, the dogs. I was just trying to compare the scale from what he was doing a little bit because like that layer looked huge, but I'm like, this is technically like, like a building. Like you remember Lord Boros? Yeah. Like Boros was crazy. To me, Boros is stronger than him. Like significantly. Yeah. Yeah. Where do you got Lord Boros? He would beat everybody in one piece by like easy death, no, Dave, mid-diff. Probably low-diff, bro. No, definitely. Yeah. It's no. Yeah. So say he was in the moon, bro. Yeah. He was like, yeah, low-diff, low-diff. I'll go low-out respect. I'll go low-out respect for my guys. Yeah. I know I keep bringing it up, but it's such an interesting topic. So you remember Marcus Mars when he walked into Vega Punk's punk records? You remember what he said? You said when he was making a deal with Kuma? Yeah. No, no, no. That's St. Satter. I'm talking about Marcus Mars. Oh, Mars. Oh, man. I remember him walking up and trying to destroy stuff. I don't remember what he said. He goes, he sees like the casing of punk records. He sees Vega Punk's head and he goes, it lives on even after your death. Is this you, Vega Punk? And then we get the big shot. And then he goes, what is death exactly? Where do our ideas truly reside? And this is coming from a person who's immortal. So I mean, I just find it really interesting that even somebody like that is saying something like this, which makes me think like Vega Punk is still alive. Maybe, I mean, he definitely is still alive, you know what I'm saying? So maybe it's not a loophole. Maybe I'm overthinking the loophole part, which is a deal fruit. Trying to think of like what's similar? Trying to think of like a movie. I think there's a movie with Johnny Depp. They upload his consciousness because he's going to like pass away and then he becomes like this AI robot. That just like ends up trying to murk the world But then that it's not necessarily him anymore It's a Johnny Depp move. Yeah, I've never seen that Yeah, but he doesn't have any like will when he gets uploaded with his consciousness That deep conversation all right. I'm done. No, you're good All right Next up we got Five dollars from why's life again? It says do you think the heaven realm is just where giants believe they go after death Or will it hold something special for the one piece? Hashtag it's not looking good though. Oh Transcendence thank you Chris. Yes, that's the movie called transcendence up. Mm. It's actually a good movie pretty scary a little bit Why don't I feel like I have seen this movie? Okay, I had to see I'm like googling it. I can see the movie poster. I've seen his poster before Yeah, Paul Bettany's in it. I feel like I've seen this movie, bro It's a good movie Yeah, Morgan Freeman. I've seen this movie, bro. I've seen this movie. I Remember it, but I've seen it Okay, okay, heaven realm was the question. Do you believe that the hell do you think the heaven realm is just where giants believe they go after their die They die or will it hold something special for the one piece hashtag? It's not looking good in terms of it holding something special for the one piece I want to say no because like we haven't had any Roger Lbaph interactions for you But at the same time Do we need to have Roger Lbaph interactions for it to have something to do with the one piece Like maybe it adds to the one piece Because to me that that element already exists with the mural, you know, so it's like is there a second thing? Up there that's doing that What you want to know what it might be. Oh, you're you're you're you're set the the two piece rocks you're two piece You two-piece theory It's up there in the room It could be that who knows Could be or it could just be something left by Dozen. I think that would really work out well You know if if Dozen had the The devil fruit that Loki is Than it hog maybe he just like goes up to the heaven room because he's probably the only one that can do it and then There's like history from his point of view Maybe and then also there might be some It depends on what you want to believe There's a 3000 year old building on Lbaph Clearly futuristic doesn't fit with the culture of Lbaph at all It's made out of metal as well I would assume Based on the cover story would have now that Back in time there was a person who had vagapong's devil fruit maybe since they were stationed here on Lbaph Maybe there's something in the heaven room too to suggest like maybe Dozen's story is connected to that vagapong story And they did something up top together Oh I like the idea that So in my mind the heaven realm is supposed to represent Valhalla in Norther mythology so Will we actually even see Dead people up there You know what I mean? Like the warriors living in their like grand fashion up there. No, I don't think that I Know man, I don't know we can see Harold again You see Harold and Dozen Dozen's even a giant I assume out You see Lbaph up there I doubt that though that be that be going a little far That'd be the going a little too far Okay, we need another 10 from Christian Robeless I can't see the last name, but no super chat attached Christian. Thank you next time. Let's know your thoughts man I don't know if this was to get you donated in for a call or it was to get more callers on But thank you, appreciate it Number five from Jean Uchiha. It says yo love y'all hashtag Seb a narration horror question marks L.O.L. hashtag Larry has the best takes Lonnie Hey, man narration horror, bro. That means Another two, I think I don't think Sebastian's a narration You could say it like you know, I'm saying I just think that Sebastian reads the story and knows how it should go and if something doesn't make sense Narration will make up for the answer later Fair sure fair and accurate No, like what's up ready? I was about to say for mom. I forgot who said it earlier before 3D, but people that go at Larry that takes L.O.L. It's so me at this point is hilarious because the man like he puts in work, but he just don't take out these takes out of nowhere, bro If you wrong here, I made it later, but Most times it's coming from some facts details and even network But that's all I got said Appreciate it Thank you, man. Listen, it comes with a territory, bro Come to the territory. You know, I treat things like math. That's the issue that everybody has with me If I treat it like math and I don't leave anything up for Theory I I get cloned on hold on hold on hold on hold on now hold on now hold on now hold on now hold on now The what I would agree you do treat things like math, but you you leave out your personal bias from the equation More often than you think you do Okay, it's true. It's true. It's true. It's true Brother, if you told me who would win in a fight between Ace and Marco, I would definitely tell you the truth, bro If you were to tell me if rocks was to lose somebody like I really respect I would tell you the truth, bro The only person I'm never going to tell you the truth on is a no You gotta love it. Okay, another two from Mani D'Nica. It says get me on the call list at monkey D. Mani on discord. Oh appreciate that We can probably get you and I don't see you in the call waiting But future reference $2 in enough needs to be a five-hour super chat, but we got a bunch of other super chats that will be able to cover you So if we have time I do have a hard stop at 8 30 because I got a pack for this trip and do a bunch of stuff to prep my crib, but yeah, join the call waiting for that if I now wanted to you could take out all of our bathroom And there's an avenue for it. You don't even gotta you don't you gotta be there is Loki chain up This is Loki chain up Loki could be wherever you want, bro You you got it, bro. Yep. You got it. Well, does lightning affect Loki because doesn't Loki also like lightning aspect I don't think it matters though I don't think you're bad That can't be every year It'll be straight. He can't watch out. He can't watch out bro. Don't let Loki land on him man. No, let's say Loki got to find him first Loki Loki up here boxing with you move He was right in front of him, though. Listen, bro. Now could be where he want to be You get you get caught. You get clapped all right All right For that tree Another two from David Yokes it says chapter 1134 see what Lilith says All right, let's let's do some perus and just some research 11 30 bow Is this one she's talking to the crew? This is they're already on elba Lilith says Hey, Saul, it's me Who's you? How are you flying? I'm vagapunk Which you gotta go to the next page seven. Okay, okay, okay A vagapunk clone. Yeah, a perfect recreation not like we satellites This was the me who came here 20 years ago. Don't you think the government would have been suspicious if the Stella had left his lab for months at a time? Anyway, I snuck him out in a vet of bio fluid, but I don't have the facility to exactly, to safely extract him. That's why I tend to settle down here and build a new laboratory. Okay. So essentially, he's just why flying his car. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. In that bio fluid, they're going to recreate Veigelpuck. I forgot that this conversation even happened. Same here. Completely forgot. Thank you, David. Go completely forgot this happened. I just see it. I get it for good. Oh, my bad. Oh, no, you're good. That's all I was saying. Yeah, I didn't forget. I just didn't think it mattered. It matters to the conversation about the devil fruit piece that we were talking. Like whether he's dead and his dove fruit can be respond, like he's not dead. He has a whole bio fluid and consciousness in other places. Yeah. I'm telling you, bro, this topic is very interesting. So does that make him like somewhat gay? How do you mean? Yeah, they'll say where that come from. Cause like, he has female bodies that his consciousness is in. So does that mean like, if Lilith wants to get clapped, like, that's him too. No, I think it's, I think separated. You know, the green and everything else. I would say it can be separated though. I would, I would say vagabond has evolved as a sexual being. So I was going to say, I feel like he'd be a sexual over everything. I won't call him asexual. I just think he's at a point mentally where he's just like sex is sex. Like it's not a, like he doesn't desire it in that way. Like it's like a, but he has a satellite known for desire. Is that, is that female? Yeah. Her name is, uh, what was the trick? Is it Lilith? Lilith's not desire. No, no, no, no, not Lilith, the other chick that killed Stella. No, no, she's greed. York is greed. It's not desire. I guess I have put a degree. Is it again? York is probably getting clapped? Oh gosh. The question is, Hey, man, is she getting clapped by other vagapunks? Or is it other random stuff on the island? With that count as masturbating. I have to. If it's another vagapot, yeah, technically. So if you run an orgy, this is a set of poem question over again. Like what kind of, what kind of like freak off over talking about now? You think, you think vagapunk haven't did he level freak offs? I mean, oh, but with himself. I mean, he has the ability to test the limit of diddy. He could probably spawn a lot of oil, bro. Infinite oil. You think he makes it vibrate too? Oh, God. We have technology. The real, the real question is, do you think a regular woman could still satisfy vagapunk after he's experienced what he's experienced? No. That's realistically probably not. That's crazy, bro. So you are required, man, what's up? I'll do those two. It's a virgin, bro. To my understanding, he's not. My understanding. You told me I know. When did you get that off, bro? I don't think he's still here. You know, Twilight, time stamp this for me, please. So I can go back and share it with you. I got you, I got you. We got nothing from Lerp McFlurp. I think that's what it says. $2. It says, "Sange getting conquer socky is the exact same as cat." Come on. Laughing with lightning emoji. I don't even know which way you're going with that. Clowning the take. Are you saying this is the take? I think you believe that take. I don't even know. Right. Let's get Tyrone in here. I'm trying to get a wife. All the taxes. Tyrone, you there? I know you don't get your way in, bro. Talk to me. Yes, sir. Welcome. Welcome, man. How you guys doing? Chill, man. Good, man. Thank you, Robin. How you doing? See Larry's face. Oh, this is Larry's face. All right, so I got a theory. My man's uh, wrote this. What's it about? You have a name for the theory? Just Emo's devil fruit theory. That's all I got. I got you. So what if part of its ability is to be a dark phoenix? Essentially, you could do what Marco does, but only for people with the covenant. What if Marco was to awaken his fruit, and then he would have similar abilities to Omen, but in a positive way. If Emo is one of the first 20 devil fruit users, I'm assuming that his fruit has the ability to act as a logia, zoan, and paramicia on the one fruit. So all other devil fruits outside the first 20 are like a subcategory fruit that contains one ability. This kind of reminds me of the of the Greek and Roman mythology. How Mount Olympus and has 13 major gods with multiple abilities, but the gods that don't live there and are the kids of the 13 major gods share one or two abilities that their god parents making them demigods. For example, Zeus, Sky God, and Hercules. Zeus has multiple powers, but Hercules only has his strength and Aries and Achilles. Aries War God has multiple powers, but Achilles only has his fighting abilities slash IQ. Then this makes me think about Blackbeard. I think if he is looking for their devil fruit with the powers to combine acts like one of the first 20 devil fruits. So far, he has the darkness fruit and the quake fruit that both relate to destruction. There must be another fruit that if he gets it will merge with his other two powers that will turn them into a recarnated version of one of the first 20 devil fruits. That would also mean that Nika, Sun God, and Nidhag War God fruit should be considered one of the first 20 devil fruits. That's all he got. And expect Marco upscale. It's actually Marco downscale because he wasn't able to awaken to start doing this on the positive side. I mean, um, maybe something was holding him back mentally, bro. The massacres against the ability, you know, it gets us all. It's Barbara too. It's dad and two caring of a father. Maybe he can wrap it. Okay, so in regards to the dark phoenix, um, I think in regard to the theory that was laid out by your friend, bigams, um, I think I would have to do a little bit more research on Mount Olympus and what happens there. I kept thinking about crados and the phoenix that he ran into in God of War, where a dude kept getting in alive and then reviving every day, um, and then taking the phoenix powers for himself. So is the theory that every one of the ancient kingdoms original 20 had like some God level devil fruit representing each of the, the, the nations? Is that what it is? Because you alert to like Mount Olympus and like a collection of, like, uh, powers and people, are you saying that the original 20 kings all had basically like Godfruits? Is that what I'm understanding? Uh, it could be that, um, we talked about it more like on the phone and stuff. So, uh, I don't really remember the conversation too well, but, um, yeah, I can't really rebuttal anything on Be honest with you. No, it's dope though. Is your friend in the discord? Uh, I think he is. He watches every, uh, a week, uh, mainly on, on Apple podcast though. He don't got time to be on the phone, but, uh, yeah, I really have nothing to say. So I asked him if he had a theory. And, yeah, that's funny, man. That's funny. What I, um, are you new here or not? I haven't seen your name pop up before. - Yeah, I mean, I've been here for like three years. I just don't be in the chat or nothing. I've always wanted to call in, but been scary. But, what'd you call that? I did want to say, Larry, I do appreciate your motivational speeches, man, please don't stop them. They're amazing. You know, there are people going through it and the world then, you know, a simple push is all they need, man, and, you know, yeah, I love them, man. Just keep it up. - Of course, man, always. - Please stop the heat on Smoker, though. I appreciate it. - Smoker's so random. (laughing) - That's so random. - I don't have a Smoker, man, look at it. - Well, I'm Smoker, man. But yeah, that's all I had to say. - Appreciate your boys, love what you do. I watch every week. - All right. - You guys are amazing. - Tyrone, thank you. - Yes, sir. - And if you wanna guarantee spy on these Collins, man, become a tiered member on the discord, bro. - Yes, I'll hit up someone, yeah. I'll figure it out. - All right, bet. Love to hear more from you. - Yes, sir. - All right, next up, let's get. Miracle's been waiting a minute. Let's get a miracle in here. I know there's been enough super chats to get him in here. He's been here a while. Miracle, you there? - Yo. - What's going on, bro? - Bro, I'm so confused on how the discord works. I've spent a minute. - No, you good, you good, you good. Essentially, if you're a tiered member, you get access to the voice, the call-only channel. I mean, if you're not, you don't. But we got a bunch of donations and you were waiting for. I think you were the first person I saw waiting in the T-O-P-T call stream or the entrance of the den, all that. So we figured you'd get you in here, man. What's up? - Yes, that's my bad. Yo, so for Sanji getting like a poll towards conquerors hockey, terrible way how they did it. - You think so? - Terrible. Terrible. Because like if all Sanji needed to do was start beating women to get his conquerors hockey. - What's that? - No! - Bro, no. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - No, this is what I'm saying because like all the other draw hats, they don't, they haven't discriminated, not like once. So for Sanji to get his conquerors, all he needed to do was just start hitting women, which is crazy because he loves them, you know what I mean? But when he was on a Kumabaka kingdom, he was still whooping people, you know what I mean? And he should have locked it right there. And if we're going on those type of like conditions of being a king of just like acknowledging like your true self, Nami should have got it, Robin should have got it. I mean, Jimbe should have had it like years and years and years ago. But like, I really just don't like how they're kind of putting that on for him. I wanted it to be in a better way. - Okay, I hope the hitting women thing was a joke because that's not what was being examined here. If I could find, that is not what it was at all. - Well, he was saying he had like conflict in himself and like to be a king in his own right. And like the way the panel was set up, he was like, I have this confliction of just never hitting women, but I also never want to see a woman cry. And then he goes just for killing him. Like I kind of see how he like twists it. But it's really just not how I thought he would have gotten that thing. - Miracle, I'll allow the grace to explain this in more detail of the coming chapters, but that is not what good bottom was referring to. What did that, the not hitting women is the indomitable will part of Sanji, that is the conquerors element, right? That conquerors trait, he has other traits. But that's not what was, that's not the confliction. That's not the inner turmoil, the masochistic instability, that's not what it is. It's not his, whether he's willing to hit women or not, that's not what it is, that's. - I can confidently say that. - To be in service of Luffy, just how Zoro is. - It's not that. - He was lying in, like Zoro has undying loyalty to Luffy, right? - It's not that, bro. - I'm trying to see. - As soon as Sanji sees women, he's like, "No, you got it, I'm gonna get somebody to whoop you though. "I got somebody, hold up." And he runs and he calls Robin, you know what I mean? But like, on a different toll though, for like him being a king, I was thinking he would get it more so towards the end where we see his conquerors, 'cause I kind of thought that we might see the all blue. So he would be like king all blue, and I was thinking 'cause all, like the trios have like gold silver and gold silver and like copper, there was like aces and whatever. And, but I was thinking Luffy, 'cause he is the sun, right? He is pretty much like the heavens. I think Sanji would have been that middle ground for the all blue, like a Poseidon type deal and then Zorro kind of named himself with like the king of hell. And I thought that's how they were kind of going about it. But, hmm, I would say having the all blue in the name would be pretty cool for Sanji's kingly effektet. Pretty dope. Or just like king blue or, 'cause he can't be all you know, but then it's kind of getting to like all my and stuff like that. I don't know if I really like that. I don't think Sanji deserves it to be honest. He doesn't touch it. Yeah. I just don't see how we get like conquerors hockey from Sanji right now. And I think it's kind of being pushed to a different, different level. I wanted to get Larry's opinion 'cause I was seeing in the chat that there was, he didn't really like it either. So I didn't know if maybe I probably wasn't like the punching women, but I had to get his thoughts on it. Larry. I don't think the punching women aspect matters, bro. So, wow. Y'all didn't come to that conclusion at all. No, bro. He was like, y'all, you gotta put your pride up and just do what, you know what I mean? No, 'cause he didn't even hit his other either. He can't, then it's not in the message. No, no, but Reggie, he's saying that that's part of the conflict. That's part of what he's saying the inner turmoil is. I don't think that's what it is, man. It don't get me wrong. I guess the joke is a joke. I said before, it was the moment he's well-gamed. Like, I don't see Sanji getting conquerors until his hands are red and he for everyone, but. Oh my god. Dang. I don't know where I'm going. Sanji, I was a couple of while ago. Sanji more likely to use the death wink than he is the dad for real. You're just a bag. He should use it. Put it in the bag, though, 'cause it was just a peak move. I ain't gonna lie to you. It had damage, you know? Larry, where do you get thoughts on that, man? I don't think he should hit women to in order to get conquerors. So what way would you want him to get conquerors? Like, what is he need to do or who does he need to become to get conquerors hockey in your opinion? I don't think he could do anything. Basically, what I said yesterday was there's, there's sort of like a myriad criteria that you have to fit within in order to have conquerors. And there's been many similarities amongst conquerors even when they're children, which later dictates what they're like when they're adults, but just like 10 times more, potent. So I just don't think that Sanji had the qualities of those same people. And if he does, then he'd be the first of his kind because there's almost nobody that we know of, that was shown through childhood, that has shown what Sanji has shown during his. And then even leading up into adulthood, even if we haven't seen those conquerors in their younger years, we just know that it matches, ones when they were younger in their younger years. So it's kind of like, it's kind of like, just a bunch of things. And I'm not trying to get into it again, but it's just like a myriad of criteria he has to check off. And I just don't think he checks those off. So I don't think he should be one. Yeah, I get that. Some of them, some of them I think he's checked off, but not enough to get over that hump. I guess there's going to be characters that check off some of the criteria, but that doesn't automatically mean that they will have conquers. Anybody could be strong willed. Anybody could fight back. Anybody could do a lot of things. You know, like in the rev army, there's people that will fight back against the government, no matter what. There's people like Don Creek, who will definitely want to take charge of the East blue with his massive army. He's not going to have conquerors hockey. So it's kind of like, you can't say somebody has one thing or three things and they're conquer. It has to almost check off all the other boxes in order to put them into that category. And if not, then I think that's where it becomes sticky. Where now it's like, well, anybody that decides to just stick up for themselves and try to accomplish a goal should have conquerors hockey. And I just don't think that that's fair. I get that. But when you say it like that, and you might not like this one either, but like that criteria is I didn't think Ace was really a conqueror in his own right. Oh, probably not. But when you go by that, I don't think Ace kid should have ever been blessed with a conqueror gene. No, you can't say that either because Ace had unwavering will. If his unwavering will was basically saying, right? And this was one of the big reasons. It doesn't matter who you are. I'm never going to allow you to hurt the person that's behind me. Straight up. It's the same thing that Roger had. So his unwavering will was already shown. Plus the reckless behavior that he displayed, which almost every other conqueror displays. The ability to take charge, you know what I'm saying? When they did their, when they did Luffy and Sabo and Ace's like whole little pirate game, they, you know what I'm saying? Like the first letter was ASO. You know, so they were made it Luffy and that would have fought that, you know. Later on in his life, he becomes captain. So it's like even, it's always like leadership roles in wanting to dominate and be a king to some degree. And then he stepped back because why he also followed another conqueror, which is also on the checklist. So there's just so many other things that other characters have shown that are conquerors. So I wouldn't say Ace shouldn't have been one. He definitely should have been one. He just wasn't strong. That was his issue. Yeah, true, true. Well, Miracle kind of week on a big scale. Miracle, I got to get a couple more callers, man. But you have a good night. All right. I'm gonna see y'all later. But hey, Sab, start watching slime and shout out to my grocery own. She the worst cook. But man, does it taste good? Oh, yeah, she own is a baddie, bro. That's my favorite girl right now. She out and she out on the one. So sure. And definitely got to what slime said. Maybe one day. Is it on a crunchy roll? Yeah, yes. Maybe I'll download it in this gas. Maybe I'll download it from my flight back. And Hey, Larry, they got the movie out somewhere around there. But Gopta upscale. Not with like fighting ability, but with the huts. Shout out my boy Gopta. What? Yeah, Miracle. Have a go, man. See y'all. W Miracle. See, I kind of want to do my soggy conqueror's trade thing now, man. I kind of do because it was the topic of conversation. I think it's relevant to what was just said. Maybe a waste of time, bro. Maybe a waste of time. I just I find it interesting. The things that you highlighted specifically about Ace and his conqueror's traits, being an unwavering will, the ability to take charge and following only another conquer. But you can't see those things in soggy for whatever reason. I mean, it's just not those two things. It's more than I have more. I'm just saying, those were the three you use phrase. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Was Sange ever going to be a captain of anything? Or just a captain of the kitchen? Do you need to be a captain to be a conqueror? You need to want to be a leader. Yeah. Okay. Almost every conqueror is a born leader. Was Sange not a leader at brought yet? The leader of the kitchen, brother. It's still leadership, bro. The need to see. He's in charge of the manager. I do it my way. Okay. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it now, man. I'll do it now. I'll do it now. I'll do it now. And I'll just lay you up this one just because it, I feel like it's an easy lay. Because I'm not completely against it. I'm just, I just don't see it. If Gabon can see something in soggy the way he did, you're cutting out. I can't hear you. I still can't hear you. Are you out here, Larry? I was saying I was saying I'll give you a layup. If Gabon can tell if Sange is a conqueror's hockey or not, because he's a conqueror's hockey user, then that also might mean that Zep is a conqueror's hockey user. Because he was able to tell it. Yeah, with the true spirit. Yeah, but that's an easy lay. So if you want to have that, you can have that. All right. I'm going to, this is small. It's not, it's not crazy. It's not the 15 minute stuff that I'd be doing recently. This, this, you could probably even chop up Larry into a one minute or two minute short, if anything. Not that you probably will consider you be eight. We'll see. Sange having conqueror's hockey was a shock to some. And I truly can't understand why. This week's episode Larry diagnosed that Sange didn't show the traits of a conqueror. But when you look at the actual traits associated with kings in the story, Sange has been showing them since the very beginning of the series. I'm going to break down the five kingly traits Sange has shown throughout one piece. First, leadership. Sange is one of the straw hats who consistently takes command when Luffy and Zorro are not around, whether it is leading parts of the crew during chaotic situations, making quick decisions under pressure or stepping up as the emotional backbone of the group. Sange naturally fills that leadership role. Even before joining the crew, he was essentially one of the leaders at Baratier, protecting the restaurant, guiding the cooks, and standing as Jeff's strongest successor. Second, ambition. Sange's dream is not small. He wants to find the all blue. A legendary ocean that most people do not even believe exists. That is a conqueror level dream because it requires absolute faith in something the world treats like a myth. Just like Luffy believes in the one piece and Zorro believes he can become the world's strongest swordsman. Sange believes in an impossible ocean and that he will find it one day. Third, indomitable will. Sange's code is unbreakable. He will not use his hands to fight because his hands are sacred tools for cooking. He will not harm a woman, even if refusing puts his own life at risk, and he will feed anyone who is hungry, even an enemy. Those are not just personality quirks. Those are immovable convictions. The world can punish him for those beliefs, but it can not make him abandon them. That is kingly will. Fourth, whose Sange chooses to follow? This is important because most conquerors do not submit to just anyone. When they do follow someone, it is usually another conqueror whose will they truly respect. Sange would not bend the knee to a weak captain, a false king, or someone unworthy of his loyalty. The only person Sange would ever truly follow is Luffy. Sange is not following Luffy because he lacks kingly qualities of his own. He follows Luffy because Luffy's will is the one will Sange believes is worth betting everything on. That mirrors how powerful conquerors can still choose to stand behind another king when they believe that person in that person's dream. And fifth, the ability to turn enemies into allies. This is one of Sanji's most underrated traits. Gain was moved by Sanji's kindness. Duval went from enemy to ally. Mr. 2's connection with Sanji helped set the foundation for one of the most important friendships in the series. Keenamon, the G5 Marines, Viola, putting and even members of Jerma were all changed by Sanji in some way. Sanji does not conquer people by dominating them. He conquers them by forcing them to recognize his heart. That is what makes Sanji's version of conquerors hockey unique. It's not about ruling others. It's about having a spirit so firm, so compassionate, and so impossible to bend that even enemies are pulled towards him. Sanji has the leadership. He has the ambition. He has the unbreakable code. He has the judgment to follow only a true king. And he has the ability to change the hearts of people who should have been his enemies. Those are his conquerors hockey traits. Now, I saw you gyrating over there acting like what I said all was in facts, but it was you're talking about the most minuscule of things in order to make him a conqueror without actually seeing the similarities of the other conquerors and how they operate. You're trying to tell me your point. Your first point was the leadership aspect. Okay. Brother, if Sanji's not there and Luffy and Zoro's not there, then it's just going to fall to whoever's next, probably not me. And they will just do the same thing that Sanji does. Also, being in the kitchen, you have examples of your shift. Doesn't mean that like you have leadership qualities to the extent of a conqueror. It just means that you can leave. Do you have examples of that from the other crewmates? Because I don't. That's my point. Like your acting is just this. It doesn't exist. All right. Nami, most of the time pre-timeskip, it was dependent on Zoro or Nami in order to shift the crew in the right direction. To get where they needed to know. To get where they needed to go. Right. Sanji was usually one that was just cooking and wasn't adding much. Bro, Larry, you're saying these are minimal actions. Was Nami the one who told Usap to do what you can do and others will do what they can do? Was that Nami? Listen to me. I'm talking about leadership. Larry, you're talking about directing the shift to a spot. I'm talking about actual leadership, actual fundamentally leading other people. Yeah, those people usually have a captaincy. Those people usually are leaders of their organization. Those people are actually the headman of what they're trying to do. If not, they're recklessly going through life and doing whatever they want as they please. But we have examples of people that aren't leading as captains, that are conquerors. We have Gaban, Rayleigh, Katakuri, Zoro. Again, we have these people. So Gaban and Rayleigh, we still don't know anything about them specifically. We don't have their life story. We don't have anything. Right. We just know that they have the conquerors hockey and they fit a couple categories that other conquerors hockey users have. Okay. Then we have Zoro who clearly was on his own and leading the way he wanted to live his life without anybody telling him anything different, no matter who said it. And also, as a kid, which we've saw, he was able to push Kuhina to her limits. And also when he was losing, he always thought I'm going to beat you eventually one day. That's that's the kind of ambition and unwavering will we're talking about. When it comes to leadership, Zoro has even when Usop was going in doing whatever he did, he was the person to step up and tell Luffy that you're not supposed to do this. And if you do, I'm leaving the crew. Sanji was sitting in the corner on a table, then agrees with what Zoro said. Can I at one point or a quick? Go ahead. Most of us, you were saying his facts, but also just to help Sanji out for one point, when Luffy was about to say then get out of here to Usop, Sanji kicked him in the face and asked him what you're about to say, but that's us only point everything else. You were saying his facts. Well, that's because Sanji left Zep for him. That wasn't because of any type of leadership or conquerors. It was yo, I sacrificed being with Zep. He made me believe in you. I told you my dream. Therefore, you better not say that because then that means what you did for me doesn't matter. Why is that not to say that's the same with Zoro though. Zoro saying what Zoro is saying is yo, I am on this ship to find my dream. You not living up to my expectations of you or acting in a way that's disrespectful to my sacrifice here. I'm not tolerating that. That's the same. It's the same. It's fruit from the same tree is my point. You glorify it with Zoro because you like that version of it, but it's the same. It's fruit from the same tree. No, it's not. It's definitely not. Okay, you were going down. You were going on the list. Right. And then when you want to talk about his dream aspect, every conquerors on the list of conquerors that has a dream, they all pursue their dreams heavily. The only time that they'll put their dream on backseat is for somebody that they're supporting that's also a conquer. Now, you can mix it around and say that Sanji himself is doing that with Luffy. Okay, that's true, but you know what's missing is the fact that even when those people who have subsided their dreams for the person that they're following who's also a conquer, they are still actively pursuing their dream. They stayed it every so often. Okay, Zoro just doesn't randomly go. I'm going to just stop trying to be the strongest swordsman in the world. You know, Don Chenjiao never stopped looking for like whatever he needs to look for like A still wanted to make his father the pirate king like that was his dream at a certain point. Sanji never mentions the all blue ever so he never seen him trying to fight for the all blue ever like no one's he's he's actively every every arc that he's going further into the new world is actively getting closer to potentially finding the all blue yes or no does he have to verbalize it every second? How do we know that? No, I'm saying it's just it's just it's just a natural fact of the situation every arc every island they go further into the grandline he's getting closer to potentially finding the all blue it's just true whether Sanji verbalizes it or not it's it's just true we when does he actively search for it? Show me a panel when he's actually searching for so if he's actively going after so because right now all you're saying is he's on the ship hoping that he runs into the all blue at some point. So Larry can I can I ask you this? These other conquerors that you're alluding to Zorro Luffy we see them all the time they talk about their dreams all the time they verbalize it although even Zorro I would say doesn't verbalize it all that much. Ace was actively verbalizing his dream all the time his actual dream of figuring out whether he deserved to live or not he was verbalizing that all the time no white white beard white beard was verbalizing his need for children these things were outwardly just stated. No listen you're he's actively adopting people into the crew and he's actively chasing his dream by building the people that he built within the crew and Ace right tried to figure out what his life was worth and to figure out his daddy issues he figured out what his life was worth when he met white beard and once he met white beard his dream changed it became trying to make white beard the pirate king he was actively doing that even him chasing after black beard for the thing that the things that black bird did to that and to discredit white beard's reputation about his number one rule or his second rule that none of his sons are allowed to kill each other he made sure to put that in place because if he didn't then white beard wouldn't be looked as the pirate king because now there's a stain on his resume. All right mom's calling me. Oh my mom. All right you're going to the list. Continue. What was the fourth thing you said? We were we were on the third thing I think. Oh my eye. Yeah. Mom I'm streaming. I can't talk. Yeah. What's up? I'll go I'll go I'll go you would have finished up. Oh, I'm sorry. That's crazy. Mom just called me a few minutes ago too. I apologize. Yeah, I apologize. Back to back to back to back. The third one was the adoptable will. Damn, dominant will. Yeah. Also, for whatever reason, you sound sped up to me. Do I? Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. It sounds like he's talking in two-time speed. But it's not like so fast that I can't, whatever. Look, go on and dominant will. Oh, you left. Probably back to back. It's like Ames. How about now? Better? Better. Yeah. Manelian bro. The endowment will part it's it's the fact that like he doesn't fit the category because if he's pushed into unfavorable odds, he just doesn't push through it. That's what comes also with unwavering will is just crazy selfish recklessness and not caring for others during it either. Like we've seen this many times with like kid, we seen it with big mom, we seen it with Yamato, Zoro, Kaito, you know, even to a point with like, shanks and boah, Hancock, like they just do things that if you're going against them in any way, they don't really care much about the other people unless it's within the crew. And even then, like, they're still gonna push through you. They just have trust that you're gonna get out the way. Sanji doesn't really do that. He barely ever does that. He succumbs to pressure. Like he does that, especially with the big mom situation. He succumbs to pressure and I get you. You always say like, yo, Eden Philly is worthy enough to be saved and yada, yada, yada. But again, we disagree on that part because he went through what he went through with Robin and it's lobby and it's like, you know who Luffy is. That's just going to happen. But even then, it's like with Luffy at whole kick Island. Even when Sanji told him no and beat the hell out of him, Luffy made a commitment to saying, I'm never gonna eat again. And I'm gonna stay here until you come back and what did he do? He stayed there until they came back. Regardless of what was going to happen with the rest of the crew. Anything that a person wants as a conqueror, they're gonna pursue no matter what. That's unwavering will to it to its teeth. You see it in some stupid forms. You see it in some smart forms. But either way, that's what happens. Sanji doesn't give that, bro. I don't get how you can say he doesn't give that. There's no person in the series that can make Sanji hit a woman. There's no conqueror, there's no. But that's because you just you just highlighted. So it can't have a standard. Larry, Larry, listen to what you listen to what you're saying. You just say this spirit, this indomitable will can manifest in stupid ways, dope ways, strong ways, et cetera. This is the way it manifests in Sanji. He will not hit a woman no matter what. He will not. But that's his indomitable will though. Larry, you're not listening to that. That's not a will that's just Larry. Why is it not a will? There's no person in the standard. No, Larry, it's not Larry. This is his indomitable will. I will not hit a woman period. I will not allow people to starve in front of me. Period. I will not use my hands to fight period. There's no person entity being anything that can make him go against his code. He would rather die. The same way Zor would rather die than not go after his dream. Sanji would rather die than hit a woman. He would rather die than use his hands to fight. He would rather die than allow food to be wasted/allow somebody to starve. That is his indomitable will manifest it. So I don't get how you cannot see that for him. Because when it comes to unwavering will as a conqueror, that means you're going to assert your will over others. Sanji asserting his will over himself doesn't mean he's a conqueror. If anything, it just means he's conquering himself, which is the whole character of his being. He's always battling his inside. That doesn't mean, like, just because you have a standard for doing things, that doesn't mean necessarily that that makes you a conqueror. There's going back and forth with Zor has any any little any points from if I'm going to go back and forth. We're hosting Zor has Sanji now. I can just be two people don't like each other. That's like buggy and shank. That's the same boy. All right. Well, if we disagree on the indomitable will. The next one was who said he choose to follow. I think that's the one we do agree on. Listen, bro, you can help out a couple people and they think nicely of you after. That's fine and dandy. But when you have actually somebody that goes, yo, I see you and I'm going to follow you into battle. That's what makes it super different, super, super different. Okay. That usually doesn't happen with Sanji. You can name a couple girls, bro. Cool. You could be friend Jen because of your standard of feeding people. Hold on. These are just whole. No, no, they're not they're not favorite. They're not favors. Jen, Jen, uh, Jerma, uh, uh, who else? I'd list here, man. Putting viola, they all put their lives on the line. And over the people, they respected most in the world because of Sanji changing their, their perspective or people they feared most in the world. Viola, yeah, he's a nice guy. No, no, Larry, you can't lie. What did Ivankov say about dragon? What did, what was said about Luffy? You I'm saying this ability is one of the rarest in the world. It changes the people that around you from enemies to allies to turn people to your cause. These people didn't just go, oh, Sanji did me a favor. So I'm holding it down. Jen had no reason to protect Sanji other than what Sanji had done for him. Right. No, that was the point. But no, well, Larry, I'm talking about the stakes that he was in. Krieg said, yeah, I'll kill you if you don't do this. He said, I can't do it. I can't go bring myself to do this. You I've been your right hand man for years. And I can't go out. I can't bring myself to kill this man because of what he did for me. That is Sanji changing Jen's perspective. He did the same thing with Viola. It was a goofy for a gag, whatever. But she went, yo, I respect and care more about this person and his truth than I care about the fear that I have for Doflamingo with putting she put Sanji over her fear for big mom, a whole yonko. You know why he you know why she did that? Why? Because he complimented her third eye and nobody's ever done that. But this is Sanji. Oh, I don't explain this to you, bro. Oh, man, all you have to be complimented somebody. Larry, again, the point is he the point is he is the epitome of compassion, right? So when he sees putting in her third eye, he genuinely authentically sees her for who she truly is. A sad girl who's scared of the situation she's in. That's what he sees. He doesn't see this monster that she's been ridiculed as her entire life. He's conquering her heart. In this moment, it's played up for a joke. But in the moment, that's what's happening. She's having this realization. I can't bring myself to do anything to this man because he's he's seeing me in a way that I've never been seen before for anybody, my entire life. I've lived how her long putting was 16. I don't know how many years she was. This was the first time her life. And he was ever treated her in this way. Like, I'm sorry. You can't have this many examples of somebody turning enemies into allies and brush it off like, oh, they're just doing him a favor. Yeah. I laid out eight different examples. You're saying all every single one of those instances is an instance. It's a coincidence that it happened. Everyone, I just don't think that, you know, if you do somebody a favor or you do something very kind or somebody gravitates you because of your character overall, you know, people are going to like you and then people are going to hate you. And you're going to do something that you might like favor to somebody else while not favoring to the other person. That happens in everyday life. Like that happens in one piece to almost everybody in the show. What we're talking about is people that actually will follow you into battle and risk their lives for you based on you barely doing anything, except being yourself. You don't even have to have direct correlation with the person because they view you in such a light. That happened with Luffy during the war with Marine Fort. people that didn't even know him over all one it to follow him because of what he was inspiring within them. He never had contact with them. You get what I'm saying? So it just because you do something like, you know, once in a while, and you have a couple people that like cool, like listen, if you want to put that on a checklist, put it. That's fine. I just don't agree with the the standing of it. And the last one was him only being willing to follow Luffy. That was the last one. Yeah, I get that to him. He's following the conqueror. Conqueror is following all the conquerors. Don't push back there. Those are the traits that I see and that apparently, odyssees. But we had a couple superchets. I'll read those and then I got to do rapid fire because I had to get out of here by like 830. So we'll get to the rest of the colors in the den, but that'll be it. We got to from wise life, it says, Harold versus Roger. Who y'all got? And what if? Big Roger dog. I'm gonna go extreme Diff though. I'll go high Diff. Go high Diff. Larry. What was it? Harold versus Roger. Oh, and what and what did? I think it'd be high Diff. You have Roger though. Yeah. Okay. We got another 25 months from knock on my status from Missouri Avenue. It says knock him. Welcome. Hey, that's two whole years in a month. Crazy. Another five from Josie. It says, Larry, don't disrespect professions. Gordon Ramsey is a leader. Also, Sanji being willing to die slash not backing down to protect Zeph's dream is King Lee ambition. I would agree. That it is. But Ramsey also owns like 20 restaurants. Sanji what? 21 years old. That's 2022. It's time. He might own some restaurants one day. Another five from Jeteroo. Larry, I think the problem is that Sanji doesn't have an opponent. He could beat up outside of who the straw hats fight to find the all blue. I'll say it earlier, anybody you're racing or fighting to go to all blue. Yeah. To me, it's more about the believing in the dream that most people would tell you doesn't exist. At least most people in the world will tell you doesn't exist than it is about the all blue itself. But that's me. All right. Another two from water decrawl, but no super chat attached. Next time, let us know your thoughts water. It says, some of y'all in the chat would whack a chick like a whack a mole. Surprise on Larry, because you give me the vibes you would never hit a girl or respect anyone who would. I don't think those two are synonymous. Not thinking Sanji's a conqueror and not being down for people hitting women is not. That's not the same. That's not the same thing. Yeah, what's not pretend? What's all what what's all of the people today, man? Joey, that's not the same. Unless I've read what you said wrong. No, you're right. I don't even know how to respond to that. Maybe it was in reference to the the the Mario thing from earlier. I don't know. I don't know. Another 16 months at Yago status from Fatty G's, it says, you boys have no idea just how much listening to you guys and the twins have kept me locked in, kept me locked in being able to tune into the Collins and the Monday pod along with the DDT's and Larry streams appreciate you. Thank you Fatty G's and you also sent another 200 jewels. For those of you that are sending jewels, I know I don't get the call amount often because I don't really see them. There's no way to track them. But thank you for all the jewels that are sent. We really do appreciate it, everybody. But yeah, I'm glad we're able to help. In any way, Fatty, you know, 18 months, 60 months. Yago status is our highest tier membership on YouTube. Thank you, man. And then we got another two 21 months at Yago status from John D. Water. It says Larry, I respect your soggy con take by feel you saying a person can't grow past who they once was or what's holding them back. I wouldn't say that. I definitely do think that somebody can grow past who they once were. I just think that when we were told that you kind of have to be born a conquerors hockey user. From that point forward, it was your born, your born with this mentality, your environment doesn't shape you. Therefore, you shape your environment and every step forward past that is going to be your way and nobody else's. I think that's the problem I'm having right now with soggy having conquerors. Now, the two from Jeteroo, it says what if soggy starts showing more leadership? It wouldn't matter. It's kind of just like how how rooting is the captain of his own ship leadership there. Now, the 10 from Water Decrawl says double super chat, but y'all deserve it. Been listening since before someone super-chatted BBC and been ducking my Larry tags. Oh, wow. Just going to say this love conquerors all. I've been waiting for this hashtag BVC. That's crazy, I'm trying to remember when that super chat hit the BBC, the best book club one. I was like a year or two ago, two years ago. No, that's a while ago. It's longer than that. That was like two, three years ago. I'm sorry. All right, I got a rapid fire these calls. So I think soggy or polarized was next. I know young bull trend was in and out. So I don't know, I'll get training here first. Trent, you there? Yeah, I'm here. It's rapid fire time because I got to cut out by 830 and I got like four more calls. So talk to me, man, fit me. Well, I guess I'll just go back to the stuff that you said because I've been watching some of the old videos. And I watch all's dofee video or the, no, the kid video. This is why I put this in there. I would like to understand what makes you think kid could be dofy. His hacks. His hacks, huh? He's pretty durable. He's pretty durable in general. It takes a lot to put kid down. I've seen him survive. Yonko attacks. Granted, a lot of people argue that those Yonko attacks weren't infused with the highest tiers of hockey, but Dofu Mingo doesn't technically have access to those highest tiers of hockey either. So you still does you to utilize his conqueror. It may not be like, it's not, but like, but it's what's it called? I mean, he still utilizes it. That's something he utilizes. And you think, and I mean, we haven't seen him, like, I mean, Larry's been saying it. We haven't seen him get hit by anything. There's someone who utilizes it. So I mean, just saying, if he can't, like, I don't know where you, I don't know where we're seeing kid win this match up here. Again, to me is the hacks, bro. A sign could work on Dofu Mingo. He'd have to land it. Dofu Mingo can fight at range. I do think Dofu would be a difficult match up for kid. I wonder if how effective Parasite would be on kid? I don't think about that. Maybe just Parasite. I'm gonna be done with it. I don't, but a lot of people do or seem to think that. I don't think kid can break through the Birkage and Dofu Mingo's yet to show that he can operate outside of it. If he could prove that to me, I'd have Dofu winning. And I've argued that he can do that. So, in a DDT space, I might even argue that, but it's a DDT. But yeah, I think that his hacks is superior to Dofu Mingo's hacks, and they're both not like the top tier hockey user, so it does come down to Dofu Hacks to me. I don't know. I'm just saying that's a little bit of a high-tech saying that he was in that darkness. He was going to be all those people who stopped at me, which I get it. I mean, he wasn't going to be him, but like, come on now. Dofu's a Dofu, like, I get it. I get you like kid, but like, come on, let's get real here. I'll let him take your away, man. >> Yeah, it's matter, right? You're going to be able to do that for him? >> I think that was a good fan. >> I wouldn't even call myself a kid. Yeah, yeah, what? >> Yeah, you would. >> Yeah, you would, yeah, you would. >> Yes, you would. >> Yeah, yes, you would. >> It's one of those fandoms I've adopted because you could hate it on too much in my opinion. So. >> I understand. >> He needed a champion. A.O. wasn't doing his job. >> Just hit him up and tell him to wash the makeup and read the list and you know what I'm saying. >> All right, Trent, I do got to drop you because I have to get through all these calls and I got to dip at 830. So. >> No. >> My bad bro. >> No, I'll talk to you. All right, let's get polarizing here. Polarize you there? >> Hello, hello. >> What's going on, man? Wrap it fire. I got to drop in like eight minutes. So you got like three if that. >> I'll make it quick. A, I don't like Sanji getting conquers. I understand why he got it. And I honestly, like, it's not badly written to me. It's just I disagree with it. I much rather wanted him to get a devil fruit. I think it would have fit so much more thematically for Sanji to get some kind of power up through the devil fruit, especially with like the theme he's got going. I think it would have been really cool. Him just getting conquers sort of just feels like well, he's going to have to box at the top tears now. And in order to do that, you kind of need conquers. So I think it's some of that, but I would have much rather had him get something like some kind of like the inertia inertia fruit or the momentum, momentum fruit or just something to do with his speed and his all like his kit that he already has. I feel like the conquerors is sort of just it like it's going to add power. It's going to but is his fighting style going to really change too much other than maybe getting like advanced conquerors and getting the separation and that stuff. I don't know. It doesn't make the fighting more interesting to me. And that's always been Sanji's draw to me is how interesting his fights are in like how cool the choreography is. I don't know if conquerors adds to that. I know a devil fruit adds to that. So I would have much rather had him get a devil fruit instead. And I feel like that would have worked a little bit more thematically, at least in my opinion, a second part here that's completely a side tangent. Oda has delayed far too long for me to believe any power up Ousop is going to be getting in the near future, which I know he will be getting. I know that's the narrative. It's to me, it just doesn't sit right. We're at a point in the story where Larry was saying it before like people took years and years and years to get to the point that they're at. And the places that these people need to be, they need hard buffs. Like very, very fast, very sharp inclines of power. I'm not with that honestly. I would have much rather seen that happen over time. And we haven't seen much over time since pretty much dress Rosa. So that's that's a little bit too much for me. In a last note, I'm not going to get deep into it at all. I don't know how Larry thinks Cata Curry ever counters the yummy. That is insanity to me. I would love to get in the discussion about it, but we don't got the time. But I'm going to just leave it at that, um, Sanji with the devil fruit. I don't believe Ousop in a power up and then get a little side tangent there on the black beard versus Cata Curry. Hmm. I polarized. Appreciate it. I'll try to get you in here earlier next time, man. How about all good? All right, appreciate that. All right, next, Sanji. I wonder what he wants to talk about Sanji you there. Yeah. Yeah, I'm here. All right. Wrap it fire. I got like five minutes. Not even. All right. You got to already. Um, so I guess, uh, to some, some degree, I'm going to just bounce off of the last point that was made, um, I'm not a big, obviously, I like Sanji. That's very apparent. Um, obviously the new chapters got me a little excited for him. Um, as a realistic Sanji fan, I do want it to be written out a little more. I, I, I don't like the idea that it's a sudden thing for him. I do think it's fitting that there's a, um, a bit of character development, at least internally for him. It, it didn't make a whole ton of sense that he would have been just perfectly clear out of like any trauma that he had from, uh, like during Wano that he kind of broke a little bit through for a, for it, um, you know, I, I would like him to push past that even more. Y'all kind of push points at that, um, earlier with the statement that Gabon made, um, that he, you know, the, the idea that Gabon is pushing, um, kind of could lead him to fall back into the, the same mental state that he was in, um, obviously, I would want him to break out of that. I would strengthen really all of the lower in quirks that he has as a character, um, he does tend to kind of back out of stuff, although he is very intelligent and can fight, um, kind of pretty quick on his feet. There have been a lot of times, especially in modern arcs, um, even, you know, past Wano where there have been moments where he should have stepped up and he hesitated. Other people had to step in in front of him. Um, I think I hope that this is the moment that he's going to finally break out of that mold and can kind of finally be the solid at least third pedestal of the monster trio. I've never thought of them being any different, um, but solidify the idea and most people minds, um, that that's where he should be, um, and just the last little piece on that, that last bit from the guy who's in here a second ago, I think hockey is a way better fit for him than a devil fruit, strictly because of how he treated the germa, um, the, the black suit that he had in Wano, he directly threw it away and said he didn't want anything to do with it. Um, you know, I, I feel like a devil fruit would be somewhat closely similar to that, at least to him, um, as to how he would treat, you know, an outside power that he could take in, um, for himself. I think he'd rather it be a hockey based thing that he grew for himself rather than just a power he inherits. Um, like, like I said, I think it, it, it fly a little too close to the germa gene, at least for right now, for it to stick, um, but that's all I got. I know you got to go, so I appreciate the take, man, um, I agree, I agree with you. I'll already. Sorry. I'll go. All right. Mario. Are you there? No, it's early for Mario, I don't know if he's here for real. Hey, Mario, rapid fire, bro, you got like one minute came late. What? Yeah. Yeah. You know, yesterday Larry makes some good points about Saanji, like not fitting to be a conquer. But I know based off like the premise of the story, he should have it. But I mean, let me some good points, but I feel like he's kind of wrong in some ways, like yesterday, like what I said in the super chat, like, uh, Saanji is made to be different from his siblings. So like he, like, how does that this older made the portrayal that sweet is like, uh, he should be a bit different, like, uh, most of his siblings have like a strong, strong or like, uh, like overall, it's like they, they're like goofy in a way, you know, you get one said, but when they're kids like they, they, they would do stuff like they, they want, not not that want to, but like they can do stuff like that. How does this, uh, like, I don't know, say this, like they can just do more things that what Saanji is limited to because of how he was born in a way to make that, to be different because like, uh, his mom doesn't want his son to be like a killing machine or like a, uh, soulless robot that, uh, judge only wants to fight, like he wants a human. And I feel like Saanji is like the representation of that, of that will of like the, the will to live, like he never really gave up any way because he still tried his best, like even like doing training, like he still endured, like the beating of his siblings and the, uh, everything until radio, like, read him from like, kept to be. And he still like went out of his way, found Zep and like stayed with you, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, sure, Mario, I got to drop you because I got to get out of you, but next time, man, you have a good day. I know it's early for you where you have, bro. it. Last caller, OG Fuego. Fuego. You got like one minute, man. Rapid fire. Hit me. Fuego, you there? You just hung a candle and you did. Let's call her. OG Fuego. Fuego. You have like one minute, man. Rapid fire. Hit me. Okay. I can hear you. You hear me? Yeah, we can hear you, man. Talk to me. I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes. You hear me? Yes, sir. Can you go? Go anyway. At all. Oh, man. Fuego, you're killing me, bro. I don't know why I can't hear you. Talk Larry. Okay. Larry, you're muted. Yeah, they say we don't. Yeah, it's shit like no, but they say my Barry. But I'll just coming in. I'll just want to say what's up to the boys, man. Show love to the boys. How y'all doing, man? We good, bro. We, we, we, we good. Hey, hey, click. I know you got to go. Hey, Larry, I'm glad you called us dude out about that. Ain't no way you sitting here telling me that Jinx is better than Iceman. I said this man saying four or five songs off of Iceman and couldn't even name three songs of Jinx. You really doing that? Come on, bro. Don't do that, sir. You're wrong for that. Yo, it's, it's, it's recency. It's recency that Jinx dropped two years ago. I ain't going to watch it. I read it. I read it. I don't know if you can hear me. I read it. Oh, man. I can't. I can't call you. Yeah, let's say next weekend, bro. Call me out, bro. We can't say that. Oh, yeah, that's because I mean, Jinx. Beautiful. Yeah. I could live more. I couldn't tell you a single Iceman song. Let's be. I don't do that, bro. Listen, I don't like, I'll like Greg, though. I'm trying to catch you off the phone, but I just want to show much love. I've been sitting in the dead trying to get that job. You know, you don't mind getting gay to ride around your boy. That's cool. I guess I catch out. Are you doing a DDT? No, I got to, I got to fly out tomorrow. I don't know if you can hear me enough, but I got to fly out tomorrow. So I got to leave now. So I could pack. So I could dip because my flight's super early. I got some sleep. I don't know if you can hear me or not, but Fuego, we appreciate you, bro. We'll get you in here again one other time. We don't, we don't short it up. I can't hear me, bro. Hey, man, much love. Hey, Larry, much love, brother. Keep doing the great work, man. I appreciate you, man, for everything. All this here. Hey, Larry, I ain't even allowed to eat all this in you, my brother. Started getting on my, because of you, my brother. For real, like I got all my loose shut up. I'm trying to get into it. I'm saying, but you know, just like you, I used to do music. Now I got little babies and stuff. Come here, baby. Come on. Say hi. Say hi. Say hi. Hey, hello, hanging out with dad. So, what? Yeah, man, much love, man. Appreciate you. I guess I catch y'all next time, man, I'll be able to come in and talk a little trash. I got to figure out why I can't hear y'all, though, but I'll figure that out in the setting. I love, man, fellas, much love again. I really appreciate y'all, man, for everything y'all do. I jump in the one piece. I have nobody to talk to, call my homies, they in the streets and nobody really into like, you know, stuff like that. So, young boys, when I found y'all channel, I found y'all channel, I was just going through shorts and reels. I've been rocking with y'all for about two and a half years. I know I've been talking trash in the comments and stuff, so much love to y'all. I guess I catch y'all next time. Hey, sir, I do appreciate it, because I did hit you up and you broke back to me, you know what I'm saying, but much love, brother. But I have a good night. I'm gonna let y'all go. I catch y'all next time. Hey, slime, fire. Yes, sir. Fire, bro. I'm allowed to finish everything. I'm done with it. How far are you, Larry? One, 19. Okay, you're 19 or 19 or 19? 19? Okay. Yeah, I can't really hear y'all. No, I don't know why, but I figured that out. But yeah, it's fire, bro. Wait till you. I'm busy. All day, bro. But I got a good, much love. Let's see. I said, I agree with you. Shout out before you go, man. No, I've got a little girl on camera. That was cool, bro. All right. I'm going to wrap up these super chats and then we add it here. $2 from Jeterooode. It says, all I know is Larry been showing off his will today. Hey, man. It's, it's indomitable. For sure. Listen, listen. I'm a troll a little bit right now. Larry and Saiji got more in common than he think, man. They do. They do. That's why you, that's why you hate them so much. That's why you hate on them so much. He'd be so tall. I ain't gonna get into it. I ain't gonna get it to all that. But another. I got more in common with A, some more than something. Listen, A, A, Saiji got a lot of similarities too. He's a fire for a reason. Anyway. It says, I'm not talking about cockers hockey. I'm saying I thought Larry would have more respect for not hitting women. A lot of people do. It's crazy out here in the UK. Where did we get the notion that he don't? I'm so confused. I'm confused, bro. I'm confused. That's so narrative. Go back and listen to what happened and let and look at Larry's reaction. You tell me, bro. I don't know what I have here. I don't know as well as the crazy. But anyway, another five from Josie, fighting people for not believing in the all-blue is goofy to me. I'd rather Sanji be like, "Luffy when people doubt it's SkyP is existence." More kinglike. That I would wholeheartedly agree with. Yeah. That'd be cool. I gotta go. So, y'all like the stream if you haven't already. We will be back with another call and stream next week. And I believe either the DDT or survivor will finally make its appearance on a top stream for next week. I'll have to connect with Chris to figure that out. But, y'all, have a good night. I hope y'all enjoyed it. If you want to be a member, I want to be able to call in like this. Become a member on the server, a warlord or higher. Have a good one, everyone.