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So he had bought a haunted house in Michigan. Okay. Excuse me. He rented the haunted house in Michigan. Didn't know, but as soon as he walked in, he had this really weird feeling and his girlfriend at the time also got this really weird feeling. And it was interesting because as he described it in the book and in the interview on the Grave Talks, he felt like really connected in this really strong, draw to live in the house, which I thought was interesting. I know exactly what he's talking about. It's weird, but I felt that way when I was living in Burlington and the old building that the longer I lived there, the more like I felt like something was kind of having a hold of me. And that's the one and I was. Yeah. And so I get it. And he got like the day they walked in, and then he like rented the house was super excited that he got the house, went back and he has two girls and their names are Ray and Sherry. And there are little girls at the time like I'm thinking five, seven range in there somewhere. And so the when they first went back there and he didn't have that feeling and he thought he would feel it again. So he goes outside and the girls are kind of exploring around the house and they come running out and they're like, Dad, somebody was walking in the house and then they slam the door. So he goes in and he's trying to debunk it. And while he's in there with them, the door like boom, downstairs. Oh wow. So so he started having these weird experiences, but he ended up living there for five years. And he's like they kind of knew and his girlfriend became his wife. And she definitely believed immediately that the house was haunted, but he was esceptic the whole time. And even though he knew things had happened in the house, he was kind of like, yeah, whatever, not that bad. And he said they could go months without any activity. So it wasn't like this constant barrage. And those are the kind of ghost stories that I like the most. Actually, the ones that aren't over the top. Well, and I think those are the way it really happens most of the time that something will happen. And then it could be a month or two or six before something else happens. And then you might have several things happen. And then not again. And I always say, well, just think about it. Why would you know, as a spirit, time wouldn't pass the same way we pass. Like for them, they might do something today. And then what seemed like six, what six months to us might be the next thing for them. And I think too, it depends on where you live. You might live in a place that's very active. I talk to those people all the time, maybe they have several spirits. Right. And so some are, you know, there are different times different, you know. And I think, you know, trust me, we get tons of stories into the website that I honest to God, don't believe. You know, they're just too over the top and too dramatic and too, you know, so I kind of read everything and have to go, did that really happen? Are they just writing some fiction for me? We try really hard to do. We always get it right now. Right. But, you know, we're reading the stories that are submitted. There are thousands of them. But stories like this one, like his story, is very believable to me. So at one point in the interview, I asked him, when did you become, when did you go from skeptic to a believer? So here is that. Okay. When we saw the little boy, the girls were outside playing. It was a nice, beautiful, it was during the middle of the day, weekend, Saturday or Sunday. The girls were outside playing and with buckweed and they were running around the house. Maureen was doing the dishes. And I walked into the dining room and I heard somebody running across, running across my bedroom. So I went into the living room to listen and I could hear him running, you know, from my bedroom and then through the, when you get to the upstairs, it was about an eight foot by 10 foot landing area that we used to have the kids toys in. And so my bedroom was on the left and raised bedroom was on the right when he went upstairs. So it was running for my bedroom through the landing into raise room. So I thought, what the heck? So I went back in the dining room and I saw the girls running by the front windows. They were running on the house. Well, then, boom, boom, boom, whenever that noise was, was following them because the same windows were kind of upstairs. So it was following them. So I called Maureen and we looked upstairs at the same time and she saw it better than me. She looked first. She saw it better than me, but I saw this little kid, saw its leg with this little black shoe run by from our room to raise room. Of course, you know, we both went flying up stairs. I thought, well, how did a stupid kid get in the house and what's he doing here? So we both, you know, ran as quick as we could upstairs. And the noises stopped. We couldn't see anything. So I was looking all over thinking there was a little kid up there. And Maureen said, I'm going to go from raise room through the closet to see if, you know, I can scare it off. Well, then I started thinking, my gosh, if this is a ghost, I'm really, I'm not too sure. I want to encounter it, you know. So I'm standing just outside my bedroom door right by the stairs. I'm waiting for this kid or apparition, whatever it was to come running all the closet if Maureen scared it. And it didn't happen. And I'm standing there and pretty soon, Maureen came up behind me and touched me on the shoulder and said, I didn't see it. And it scared me. So I almost fell down the stairs. Oh, I bet. I was waiting for the thing to come up. So then we started having some serious discussion. And I said, you know what? This changes everything. Footsteps were one thing, you know, little things happening here and there are one thing, but, you know, actually seeing something, that's a whole new ball game. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Hey, did the girls ever say they saw anything? I've got another story from yeah. Okay. So I thought that was really interesting. So by this point, he had lived in the house for several years. And then he saw the little one. Well, and I thought it was interesting that the child is maybe trying to play with the girls like his wire running and he's trying to do what they're doing and keep up with them and watch them. I know. And it makes makes it kinda sad. at the same time, it's like, is he trapped? And they said that there was always a weird thing. There was the closet that went between the two bedrooms. So I guess each bedroom shared the same closet. So you could walk from bedroom to bedroom and there was a lot of activity in that closet. - A closet's just portals or something. - I don't like that. - Oh my closet, yeah. - So then, so all of the footsteps and the other things he had heard didn't make him want to leave. And then he saw this little boy and then it's like, you know, he's raising little girls in this house. Is this healthy for him to be raising his daughters in this house. So then something else happened. And so here is the next thing. - One day after Ray got home from school, there was a little rubber ball and a little toy fire truck on her pillow. And if he brought him down, we were reading dinner and I thought she brought him from grandma grandma's house. She goes, no, it was just on the pillow. I actually still have the fire truck. It's right behind me. Little toy fire truck. So she had that. And that was found on her pillow like somebody had left it there. It's Sherry didn't do it. I didn't do it. Maureen didn't do it. So I'm not to sure how her got there. Well, I am now. I'm sure how I got there. But I wasn't then, you know, but. - Little Jonathan. - Little Jonathan. And then one night Ray was upstairs in bed and Sherry was in bed. And Maureen and I were watching TV. And Ray started screaming just like somebody was stabbing her screaming. It was horrific. We went flying up there. And she was cowering under bed covered up with the blanket. The closet door was open. And she's cowering up there just crying hysterical. So we finally got her calmed down. Well, she told us that she heard a noise and she looked over. And the closet door opened. And this boy stuck his head on said, do you want to play with me? - Ow, ow. - Still. I grabbed her and took her downstairs and said, okay, so that's when we made up our, we're moving now. So now it is something is happening to the girls. You know, so now we've got to go because this isn't funny. Poor Ray was just scared of death. - Isn't that interesting? - Oh my gosh. - So that I think it was Ray who one day referred to the ghost as Jonathan and they said, why did you call him Jonathan? She goes, I just, I don't know. I feel like his name is Jonathan. So they referred to him as Jonathan. And then it ended up, that was before they had even seen anything. But isn't that interesting? - Yes. Interesting. Oh my gosh, imagine the closet door opening. Do you want to play? - I know. - Well, then you come home from school and there's toys on your pillow. It's kind of this sort of spooky yet it breaks my heart thing at the same time. Like, that's what I don't get. Is this like a actual child that their spirit can't leave? And so they're wanting interaction and they're kids so they want to play and it's like, hey, like a little boy would do. I like you, so here's a toy. - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. I don't know. Did they say that the other daughter, was it just the one daughter? - It was primarily the one, but that daughter had the bedroom off of the closet. - Oh, okay. So that was probably the hub of the activity. And so she was. - Did they ever know any history of the house? - I think we did talk about that. I'm trying to remember now, 'cause I've had several interviews since. But there might have been the story of someone, okay. Who might have passed there? But there was no actual definitive yes. If I remember correctly, there was some, I think room, it was a little town. I think there was some rumors that it was a haunted house, but you know, he hadn't really heard anything about it before. - But it was, but he felt very compelled to live there from the day, the first day. Though I would say that I felt that way too about that building. I really wanted that building. - I remember that, 'cause I was like, what the hell are you talking about, Kathy? It was a funeral home at one time. Your daughter can't even watch a scary movie. Like she was staying at my house and we watched a Poltergeist movie. That kid couldn't sleep alone for how long after that. And then I'm like, she's 14 now. You got a different to a funeral home. What are you doing? - Well, she did amazingly well. I must say, but she did have a few experiences too while we were there. And. - Kent's book, Kent J. Wolf is his name. And so his book is called Ghost Theories in. - Wolf with an E or yes. - Yes, St. W O L F E. And the book is Ghost Theories. And you can buy it on Amazon or wherever you listen. - Go do it. - I really enjoyed the book. I thought it was very interesting. At one point, in this story, he talked about Buck Wheat. That was their cat. - Oh, okay. - Buck Wheat was the cat. - I thought maybe it was the dog. But okay, so. - So I thought it was really interesting. I love hearing those stories. He was very skeptical and didn't believe it. And so when I'm like, when did you switch from skeptic to believers? I go, when I saw the little boy, I'm like, "Whoa, let's go with that." - Right. 'Cause I did see a little girl one time, but it was in the library, the basement of the librarian, Elma Nebraska, where I was doing some work there and stuff. And it is very. Like, he's right. Like, if you weren't a believer before, you're gonna be after that. 'Cause I turned around and she was standing in the doorway. And she had red hair, in braids, and she had on a plaid dress. And then she was very, very pale. I wouldn't say that. And I wouldn't say like she was transparent. But she looked real, but then she just turned around and walked off and then just kind of was dissolving as she walked off. Like just. - Woo! - Yeah. So, I'm gonna tell ya, I was 12 when that happened. - And I feel bad for a little 12 year old Kathy because you had to leave the haunted library to go home to the haunted house. - Like that just. - And I probably walked past 12 haunted buildings a long way. - It just like. - So nobody could even save me going home. - Should've just gone to Mrs. Kurt's house to get a piano lesson. - I know, I loved her. - Here's another story. And it says, "I have two stories about shadow people. I'd like to share with you and your listeners. Although 24 years have passed since I saw this, I still remember this first experience vividly. One morning when I was five years old, I was playing at the top of the stairs in my parents' house. I was an early riser and I was waiting for my brother whose room was right at the bottom of the stairs to wake up. These stairs led straight down into a hallway which led into our family room. While I was waiting for my brother and kids will be like that. Like your kids always like that when I would spend the night. They would be as Carol Wake. She would. Or they would just stand there and stare at me. - I was gonna say they'd just be standing beside your bed. - Did she move? I think she moved. - Wait for you. - Are her eyes opening? I remember I'd lay there and listen to him. And one more lesson. (imitating music) While I was waiting for my brother, I looked from the top of the stairs into the family room and I saw the figure of a full grown man that seemed to walk from one end of the room to the other. I watched him until he walked out of sight. I thought that my brother had somehow woken up and gone to the family room without me seeing. I went down the stairs and into the family room and nobody was there. I opened the door to my brother's room and he was still asleep. My dad was the only other person awake in our house and he was upstairs reading the newspaper. I remember that I didn't feel afraid but I was very confused. Because he did, like has a little five year old kid, the only explanation for it is I guess somebody snuck into the house. - Right, he snuck back up. - My other experience with a shadow person took place very recently. This last December I was out for a walk late. It was dark, I was walking down a quieter road. As I passed a parking lot for a church, I casually glanced over and saw that there was a figure of a person standing about 30 feet away from me. The second I saw it, I got a foreboding feeling to look away and to act like I didn't see it. I followed my gut and kept moving until I got to what I felt was a safe distance away. I then looked back and the parking lot was empty again. Now I first thought that this figure originally could have been a person but I would have seen them before I was approaching the parking lot. It was well lit and empty. There was no place for anyone to hide. I do have more stories. Sorry if these two were a little anticlimactic but thanks all the same for letting me share them. - Oh, never apologize for anticlimactic. When it comes to ghost stories because there is no big bow that you're gonna put on that story and finish it off. We don't know. - Here in this story, what I thought was interesting about it was that as a little kid, you could see something thing like that and have no point of reference to what it is. And as an adult, do we see those sorts of things? And you're in a crowd of people and you have that weird feeling like you make weird eye contact with somebody and then you're like, that was weird. Was that a real person? Like you know what I mean? Yeah. So like, you see this person and it says, I got a foreboding feeling to look away and act like I didn't see it. Why would you get a weird feeling? I'm so glad they did that though because listen to that inner voice. Oh my God. Instinct. We just don't do that and we need to. But I just think that's so interesting. So then maybe it was a person who somehow got away and it was like, because that's happened to me. In fact, pretty recently, I had to, like there was some, I saw a person like on a street corner sent me and doing something weird. I was like, that was weird. And then I looked ahead and I looked back over because that person was being weird and the person wasn't there. So I'm assuming they moved away quickly. I didn't see that part because I had turned my head or was the person over there. You know what I mean? Or were they over there? Yeah. Right. So that's kind of what both those stories made me think of. It's like, do we see things more often and just go, okay, they walked away real quick. Uh huh. Isn't really a person. Right. Do you actually see, okay, Carol? Now I'm totally going to be like going to Target and flipping out and double check in. Like is that saying, okay, they're still there. Okay. So they're real. 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