Top Navy Admiral: "The Ocean is FULL OF UFOs!"

we've only explored about 10% 10% of the ocean, the large territory of the ocean that we know nothing about really points in the direction that that's probably where they are what would they be for you under Caelian basis Tim Gallaudet, he worked the Navy's chief oceanographer yes and I was a one-star admiral and I saw on the Navy's secret network the GoFast video that was the day everything changed for me there's this teardrop shape looking UAP 20 feet lengthwise or so it surfaces out of the water and there's no disturbance of the water and after a few moments it just went it looked like it was being lifted like gravity and reverse really that's basically disclosure right there I went out in the middle of the Baltic Sea kind of smack dab between Sweden and Finland and it looks like the Millennium Falcon we've located them but it's hard to actually extract them because it's like they have a life of their own Harold Moundgren talked about actually holding the pieces from this crash and that it came down I guess out of the plume of this nuclear blast in 1962 do you know about this blue-gill triple prime test I helped Jeff Krueckchenk okay yeah report on it oh wow did you think that something anomalous was recovered 100% on the deck I do it's like an accumulation of evidence yeah and then these divers claimed that they saw UFO occupants outside these two saucers and that they even took a video of it a recent development for me it's exciting we believe we found a region in the Atlantic with features that correspond to exactly how Plato described it but Lannis maybe we might be diving on that thing real soon all right I have an admiral here I have Tim Gallaudet is it fair to say you were basically the Navy's chief oceanographer that's right you were an administrator of NOAA as well the national oceanic and atmospheric administration direct I owe you an apology I don't know if you know about this or what I'm about to say oh no I don't when you testified before congress you're behind me I was sitting behind you yeah and like an idiot I was chewing gum and I I deserve to be you know slapped up the backside of my head or something for that because I you know just wasn't cool I didn't know I was being televised I know I was in the shot so I apologize you know that you were front row right I was front row I thought I was cut off yeah all the cameras are at an angle yeah so there's a lot of shots where you're right there well I apologize no publicly I'm shaming myself as far as I'm concerned it was a good look you have a very interesting family history and I want to talk about it who is Peter Wallace Gallaudet oh how about that yeah he is was a grandson of the original French Huguenot immigrant Pierre Gallaudet and Peter Wallace ended up serving in the Battle of Trenton and Revolutionary War and fighting in it under Washington and then Washington became president he was the personal secretary for Washington so yeah how about that that's amazing it's special yeah it's a pretty illustrious history not bad yeah close to a president the president a lot of people think about you know somebody with your credentials being you know a former rear admiral and they think about you a foes and they think that you a foes are not super serious and not maybe worthy of the attention of somebody of your sort of caliber what brought them on your radar initially yeah well two things first I was the superintendent of the naval observatory and I had a team of astrophysicists who I've learned from and I it gave me this appreciation for how big the universe is every galaxy our galaxy has a hundred billion stars which is really beyond human comprehension and and now we know the observable universe has maybe over a trillion galaxies so it's just and then because life's a property of the universe that we're here and it's very diverse why would it not be elsewhere and that's what that's what I work on the Galileo project for Avilob and he usually describes the situation like that where it would really be extraordinary if other life didn't exist other intelligent life that that's what would be really anomalous so I was just very open-minded to that fact that we could be visited and by off-world civilizations and then of course it kind of clenched to me when I was a one-star admiral and I saw on the Navy's secret network the go-fast video was passed by an email dealing with the exercise where it was filmed the exercise is going on off the U.S. East Coast Ryan Graves was one of the pilots flying off the USS Theodore Roosevelt and I received an email about about these UAP attached was the go-fast video and there was a real concern because this is a training exercise where all the pilots have to get certified to land on the aircraft carrier and that you can't deploy overseas unless those things are done along with other things and so this is very compressed high pressure and they were the email mentioned that they were considering shutting down the exercise after what happened is Ryan talks about this there was a section of F-18s flying doing some training mission and that's one of those weird cubanosphere UAP split the section there were two aircraft from my squadron VFA 11 and we flew they flew took off as a flight of two that means they're essentially flying in a formation like this and as they hit the area one of these objects went right between the aircraft if you're not a navigator it's hard to appreciate how dangerous that is you want nothing close to you if you're in you know two aircraft flying in formation very close and nothing should be within miles you know you you want to have anticipation of anything in the air and the airspace being you know miles away and then when all of a sudden the pop-up UFO splits a section everyone went crazy and that's why the two star sent that email to everybody and and of course I my new right there we don't test advanced tech and training ranges during a very compressed training exercise and and we have we have instrumented test ranges for that and I knew all of our adversary tech and threats because I had Tom secret SCI clearance and I knew that wasn't ours either just every now and then we'll have like Chinese trawlers with cigarette gear spying on our exercise that exercises there's there's nothing like foreign there so it was clearly not foreign and I knew right there that was that was the day everything changed for me and and it was just well something you'll just never forget when you're old paradigm just totally changes in one day wow and so you received an email and then the email was deleted so this is interesting and J Straton has since confirmed it because I believe he was somewhere in the Naval Intelligence Community and he and either the predecessor of or I forgot exactly when he stood up the UAP Task Force but what the story he told me what happened is when it was deleted they were still not sure whether it was adversary tech or or off-world anomalous so that that's why they deleted it from everybody's computer because adversary tech foreign military capabilities are always very high classified we don't want we keep that a TS or higher because we don't want them to know we know and we don't want them to know how we know what we know and now I've been involved with all many programs like that especially under C programs and and those will never see the lie today that that's just that's that relates to this whole UAP overclassification thing but yeah and and and so and I knew this too because I've seen there's a protocol what happens when you it's called spillage I believe where if you release information at a certain classification level and you release it at a lower classification level network you have to basically clean up this whole protocol to do the cleanup and I realized when the email was deleted that's what occurred and I thought oh this must be TS or higher and this this knowledge of these UAP and and that's why I just never said anything about it until I left the government wow fascinating so yeah I must have spooked you the fact that you got an email about a UFO and then the email was deleted yeah and then you kind of see find out later through Jay Stratton who's ran the UAP task force and is a belief former office of naval intelligence is that right yeah he he's worked in a number of intelligence capacities and and so he yeah he worked and we were working the same circles and knew the same senior and naval intelligence professionals and then the interesting thing about GoFAS is that's probably one of the more so there are three videos that came out kind of alongside the 2017 New York Times article with Leslie Cain and you have GoFAS Nimitz and gimbal and GoFAS is kind of one of the most controversial of of those three is that right because there are people in arrow that say it's just parallax which is essentially movement of the FLIR pod like of the tracking system like typical parallax would be put you know Finger in front of both your your eyes and then you close one eye you open the other eye it looks like the your fingers moving But it's staying in the same place is that Do you think that that's not the case? Then it's definitely not parallel. So it wasn't going very fast That that's true. They called the go. I don't know how I got the name go fast I don't dispute that you know because the yeah that that the the angle of where it's looking at the object and and so appears It go fast because the water underneath it but it's high above the water and that's why it looked like that I don't dispute that what I dispute is the fact that this was a spherical object that had no fly control services or meets Bullshin traveling in an intelligently controlled manner and And it was information by the way. There was I believe there's four so that that's the context. No one talks about that's why after my hearing John Kuzlowski made some statements about that during his hearing Confirming that it wasn't very anomalous because it wasn't going very fast the go fast looks like an object flying very fast over The water very close to the water a trick of the eye called parallax makes it look like the object is moving much faster He didn't cite the other instances the observations I just I just stated that that and by the way the context also was that Ryan was out there they were seeing dozens of these things Mm-hmm, and you can hear the pilots on the gimbal for example and the go fast. Yeah, so there's another thing. What why did? I don't want to spare John because I think there was moving in a new direction now, but But why didn't they acknowledge the fact that the pilots went crazy the audio of the go fast video you hear them They're trying to lock it in and they lock it in they go got it you know you've heard it. Yeah I mean they're in the airspace they know what's normal and they're clearly excited because this thing is not normal Well, that's always my question is like unless the guy's acting. It's like that feels irrational Reaction to something anomalous. Yes, and then and Ryan flew with these guys He he knows the guy whose voices it is. Yeah, you know that they flew together a squadron mates Yeah, yeah, and and clearly this was a buzz in the squadron They all knew these things were out there that had no explanation none of the intel officers on on the admin a carrier Yeah, carrier has a whole intel team. They didn't know what the heck these were Yep, so anybody you tries to dispute the go fast video is is is trying to skew the conversation it'd be great if that guy at some point came out Because with Nimitz, you have all this you have people and you also have clear. Yeah, just today as we record the Principal deputy director of the off in an of national intelligence, okay, Aaron Lucas just sound out of memo Per the president's directive saying that if anybody has information regarding UAP And they had to sign an NDA that the NDAs will be waived and they can come out and make reports to the pursue team in the department of war or Or era so that's that's significant and so these pilots they they pro I don't know if they had to sign NDAs But now the stat directive right there is every day is something is happening where the stigma is just being destroyed and And those pilots might want to come out the only reason they're doing it because they don't want it to Potentially harm their career, but those days are Nearly over seems like it. Yeah, if anything it seems like a career boost It's like all these opportunities to like get involved in kind of avant-garde research and you know academic institutions and you know I think those days are over hopefully well if you're a career navel aviator maybe not that's sure But again, it's starting to get acknowledged at the president's level and the and the secretary of defense with the pursue files So who knows that might change entirely? Yeah, and then it does feel like certain whistleblowers are not treated well people like David Grush and you know Dylan Borland and Matthew Brown some of these guys don't seem like they're treated well after the fact. Well, it this so there is a large Part of the I see that's entrenched, you know, and they're still either part of the legacy program or at least the fact it still exists that much of this information is remained classified and they don't want to see classified information Revealed which is fair Some of it might involve our own collection capabilities. We don't want that out there. Yeah, but it's it's it's it's it's wrong that any of those whistleblowers have to be Treat it or treat it poorly or or harmed even professionally. Yeah, I agree. I think Ontological truth is different than a trade secret that can confer a tactical advantage Well said all I try to do on the show is cover ontological truth and I think it's same with you know Anybody coming out saying like this fundamental thing that people should should know about because it deals with metaphysics and physics and things that should be taught in Academia like no one's nature of reality. It's a nature of reality. Yeah I'm with you. I'm glad you said that because that Yeah, and it's it's unfortunate how toxic some of this has become because there's Different individuals in this space have different agendas and it is created divisions and so many people question other people and And just for the record that that is the only reason I'm in this game. I don't make any money from this I don't get any advantage. I just want the truth. I've been given through my credentials a voice and I Know my voice is like yours. I just want to promote the truth. That's amazing. Yeah. No, it's it's a tough topic There's a lot of infighting a lot of interpersonal dynamics. You'd think that it should be us against the world and it's you know Often kind of us against us and human nature. Yeah. It's unfortunate. It's um, you know It's I think a rising tide raises all ships and you know just to go. I like unautical terminologies Yeah, exactly. No pun intended. It's true though. I totally agree. I wanted to take a step back and talk about almost the Intellectual firmament for even Thinking that there might be non-human intelligence in our waters and there's some great books You know, I've in Sanderson you know invisible residents and There's a whole history of experiences. You have obviously Richard Dolan has written a whole history of you know USOs great book yeah unidentified submersible a lot of ships in that book. There you go Reporting them. Yeah, can you set the scene for a person who just thinks about UFOs is coming from space and they have no idea about this kind of Waterborne history of of UFOs and uses right and so it's interesting because right now Today's episode is sponsored by in Cogni one thing that stuck with me from years of interviewing people inside Classified programs intelligence and very frontier science is that they are ruthless about their digital footprint not because they're hiding something But because they want to protect the extremely sensitive stuff they work on and the people around them They also know just how exposed the rest of us are your phone number home address Even your relatives names are sitting on sketchy data broker websites You've never even heard of available to anyone who looks or to the highest bidder If you're not being proactive about protecting your online information It can easily fall into the wrong hands. 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Yeah, so they think about we're four billion years in existence So what what if an advanced civilization evolved after a billion years? It's very possible So that's why that kind of lend credibility to the hype. hypothesis that possibly these UAP come from under the oceans. But what's more interesting is the data. So Richard Dolan anecdotally shares all these reports of USOs and UFOs coming out and going into the water. And it turns out I'm privy to a very interesting piece of communications. And I've say I've talked around this once on one show previously and this is the first time I'll really go into it. Mostly because I feel empowered by that new PD and I memo about UAP information. Okay. The whole intent is we don't want to withhold any of this information from the president. Okay, well let's talk about this this email. I have a friend who worked in the military and he was deployed to a joint task force overseas and so joint meaning there was different services in there and there was it was a intelligence officer from another service. So he was the J2 in the task force. And one night he pulled my friend into their building. And they have a skiff and he showed him two things. One was a video and it was attached to an email. And like me and the GoFAS the very similar situation. The video he saw was I think from an infrared sensor. It was fairly low and it was over the ocean. And he was observing this teardrop shape looking UAP that might have been 20 feet lengthwise or so. And it was traveling under the ocean water. And we could see it clearly under the water moving along waves over the top of the surface. And at one point it surfaces out of the water and there's no disturbance of the water. And surface is out keeps going. And then it stopped to hover. And it seems to behave like it knew it was being observed. And after a few moments it just went vertical all the way up beyond any site to basically have the sensor. Sensor couldn't even track it. And it looked like it was being lifted like gravity and reverse. You know, like an inverted fall. It moved so fast. And the intelligence guy looked at my friend and said, how does that think fly? My friend had an engineering degree and that's why the guy asked him this question the Intel Officer of the J2. And he said, I just don't know. Let me think about that. And he goes, yeah, well, think about that. Well, just about here at the terminal. I got to go pack because I'm leaving. He was redeploying after the next day. And so he let him look at the whole length of the email. And here's what this email said. It was from a commander, a female commander in naval intelligence. And it was to this long distro of a couple hundred people, a hundred people maybe, you know, nearly that many. And my friend was very perplexed at this because they normally in the US military, your email domains are, you know, my name, then at and for us.navy.mil or same with army or whatever. And then there's OSD is usually just at, I think it's like mail.mil. So I know all these domains. He looked at all these domains on these email addresses and he didn't recognize any of them. And they were not only they weren't just three like us.navy.mil. There were four. And they were, and they're all xed out, xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx. And he was, first he was just looking at that and thought, what the hell is this program? Because he was on some system that had a color background that he'd never seen before. And I don't know if you're probably not aware of this. But when you are on a network, you're on a workstation. You can sometimes transfer between classification levels. You just change the input to the screen. And so on class on class systems, you just have a big green banner, top secret, you know, secret is red, top secret is yellow. And this thing had some weird colors you never seen before. So he knew this must have been some compartment of program or whatever. I mean, that's, that's his only. And then these agencies, whatever they were, you know, we were these people were from. It just didn't. But so that struck him a strange. And the attachments that crazy UAP. And then this female commander goes and says basically, you know, she says refers to the attachment. And she makes the following statements. She says, we've been tracking these for some time. We still don't know their origin or intention. And we want to get you up to speed on this because right now, all the agencies that have access or have this information and always kind of keep it to themselves because they think it might be part of some, some SAP special access program. And they are afraid that sharing it might, might remove their ability to continue to have access of the information. So that, and that's happens in the garment all the time, the stove piping of people wanting to protect their own rice bowls. So she made this is a statement that we needed to do more collaboration on to find out what these are. Okay. And I'm sending this email to all you, our partners to encourage data data sharing and more discovery. And then, and then she said, these objects all, we see them in the ocean more than, more than elsewhere coming in and out of the ocean. And they seem to be occurring in five to seven areas of the world with more frequency than than others. Okay. And that's, that's, that's the, that's the gist of the information. So a while back, you might have heard Tim Birchett make this claim. Yeah. Someone came to me and there's five to seven alien bases, right? Undersea alien bases. We have a higher propensity of sightings around these five or six, I believe, the deep water areas. Now, when he said that, I thought, I've never heard this. I was the oceanographer of the Navy. This is, this is probably a stretch. And I, what I think happened is someone who'd seen that email is the one who talked to Birchett. Wow. So the woman did not say they were undersea alien bases. She just said, we see them coming in out of the water a lot. And they're usually in five to seven areas of the world, like with, with consistency. Yeah. So that, that's, that's knowledge right now that hasn't been put together in terms of two plus two with a lot of these Congress people, you know, they'll make these big claims. And it's just really hard to know what the source is and where it's coming from. So this is really, it's good to know that that might be the source. Yeah. And you can see that, that, that, that was a very privileged email. And that's why that source did probably didn't want to be named. But he felt, but he felt like so many people have done to me. He felt, well, okay, this congressman needs a champion for this. I'm going to at least tell him and let make sure he knows. So I think, you know, when you put those two together and then, then the third line of, okay, UAP is in the ocean that you asked me about. I've had several submarine officers come to me to, and one, I listed it, and they all reported to me these instances where they were all of a sudden encountering an object and under a water that was closing rapidly, more rapid than normal, other and adversary submarines, you know, had signatures of a torpedo closing rapidly, constant bearing, decreasing range, three people all had this and the subs did an emergency deep maneuver where they just all of a sudden, okay, we, this is what you train to do if an adversary torpedo is inbound. And then in each case, whatever the object was, this slowed, and it went behind them to kind of get out of there and it's called going into your baffles where your sonar can't see it. So they actually purposely evaded and then left the area. And torpedoes can't do that. No, they have a very strict profile and it's basically closes rapidly as you can to eliminate the target. So that's not, yeah, it's not, we don't have technology that does that. And so, and all three of those folks, and then I even had another guy tell me he had a similar account or he was an acoustic specialist, retired as a captain, was on one of the Navy's acoustic intelligence ships off Japan. And two cases, they also observed these anomalous objects and all of them called me, because they, after my testimony to say, Hey, I want you to know that there's, there's some there there. And these are very credible people. That's amazing. Yeah. I mean, you have Alexander Wiggins. We can talk about because he's sort of on record. He's an example of, well, I'm proud of that actually because he, he, he came out because, because of me, he saw that I testified. He, he looked me up and sent me a note and we got on the phone and talked and, and I encouraged him to engage the hill and now you see he testified. And what, what was his case exactly? Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure, forgive me if I screw this up, but I think he was on the bridge of the Omaha when that's, that one object, the spherical object goes into the water, off to the California in 2019. A self luminous tic tac shaped object emerged from the ocean before linking up with three other similar, similar objects. Before then disappeared simultaneously with the high synchronized near instantaneous acceleration. And then he shared with me a video of when he was on the US as Jackson, same region and, and they were seeing multiple erratic moving UAP at night. And, I mean, and he told me this. He said, we see these things so often out there that were desensitized to it. I believe that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they call it the silent service for a reason, you know. And so yeah, a lot of people see a lot of things and then they sort of keep keep quiet. Well, so that's just me. Alejandra wasn't, he was not a Summariner. Okay. Or Alex. Yeah. He, but he was on these surface ships. But they, yeah, the Summarine service is called the site. They call that the sense of it got it. That's right. But ultimately, so that, but I mean, I think it's a good thing to point out that Alex, you know, he testified eventually because he was encouraged by people like me. And this is good. So now he testifies and others say those are gonna come forward and you see this is a movement. It's it's not slowing down. Yeah, that's awesome Yeah, hopefully it kind of snowballs and we get some official statements made and you know, so it's occurring kind of cross the Rubicon Um, and in 2013, I believe in Ogwood, Dilla you have this in Puerto Rico. You have this, you know, three-minute video of a Transmedium object. Yeah, an object that seems to descend into the Atlantic Ocean and then come out as well. Yeah, and of course all the Dibunkers have tried to do just that on the video ultimately just like all the pursuit files. Yeah, we need more data. We need other sensors to corroborate that. But it appears to be another example of transmedium UAP counter and so yeah, and I think Well, that's what we want to do in the UAP Science Advisory Council that I'm on now that reports to the ODNI is we want to analyze these videos and data more to get a better grip on their their actual velocities and movements and trajectories and understand better how they do what they do, but what they are and then ultimately what their intention is. One of my favorite cases is Nova Scotia in 1960 because often with a lot of these, you know, unidentified submersible objects, it's just the object. In this case, it involves occupants. Yeah, possible pilots, maybe Don human intelligence sort of driving or steering and then I think repairing the object. That's right. That's right. Yeah, so this is a in a book by an author named Chris Diles who went and researched these Royal Canadian Navy divers and and it was all in the aftermath of an exercise, a mine sweeping exercise called sweep clear five and that's the title of the book. And he investigates all this and evidently there were sightings of UAP going into the water at night and then and then these divers claimed that they saw UFO occupants outside these two saucers on the on the seabed and and that they even took video of it. And so interesting. I'm going to make a couple plugs. There's this one researcher candidate who contacted me recently and he's he's investigating that he's doing foils or the equivalent in Canada to try to get that video basically his name is Brian Fitzpatrick. And I'm going to do a quick we can go down this this rabbit hole later, but the reason he he he first started investigating cattle mutilations. And let's talk about that later, but he has a book called the operator. Okay, and it's it's a astonishing book. It's the I think it's the biggest reveal about cattle mutilations out there. And so he's a real diligent researcher. He used to be he's a 20 year homicide cop. And so he knows the for he understands the forensics of these kind of things. But ultimately Brian is researching this whole topic of the Nova Scotia UAPs. And again, it's a you read the book and there seems to be evidence not hard evidence, but I witnessed testimony of these UAP in the water. And like you said, occupants, it's amazing. You think about a movie like the abyss. You know, and it's yeah, it's the best reality. Yeah, I wonder how much and I believe it was like they didn't use non human intelligence, but very similar. It was it was yeah, what was the name of it? Non terrestrial intelligence. And it was these kind of like luminous objects and the deep sea and they would sort of and you got a wonder, you know, with people like Spielberg and James Cameron, like, are they getting little, you know, whispers in their year from you know, sources. Right, right. And in fact, there's a reddit thread out there. And I don't know what to make of it. But let's just start everything starting to add up. And I think this guy's name is condor man. Okay. And he went to he made a big statement. And this is a reddit. Okay, I'm not I'm beyond of what I know actually sure, sure, sure, but as we start lining things ducks in a row. Okay, another duck in a row is this guy who's who's made statements that those five to seven places where the world's oceans where you we see UAP coming in and out of the water. That that they are locations where they reside and HIs and they're they manufacture their own UAPs every time they come out everyone's a new one. And he had some other wild statements. I'm not going to go into him here, but every now and then I'm finding more and more about the ocean connection. This was it. I believe a four-chain whistleblower. Oh, was it. Okay. Okay. To work on the program. That was it. That was it. He said that basically he implied that every time you mentioned Lazar, you get in trouble because he was this sort of, you know, leaker of, you know, real stuff from the program and that these objects are made in mobile construction units. Yeah, so you have things going around under the ocean and then they're made for purpose. So they're made to spec. Yeah, that's it in different shapes and forms in order to carry different payloads possibly. And that's just I mean, yeah, I know you for clarity. You're just relaying what you saw. I can't. I'm not endorsing it. But I think it's fascinating. It's so interesting. Well, yeah, and as I said, I only start going down this now because of that email I mentioned which I know my source is credible. And so I'll I'll definitely swear to that. But then as you rejects that forward. Yeah, who knows. Anyways, well, there have to be, you know, yeah, because I think the Berchette thing where he's walking around, he's getting interviewed by some TMZ person and he goes, yeah, there are five, you know, spots where these things seem to show up more than more than that. That gets translated on Twitter to like alien bases. So, but I do think they're hotspots. And you we mentioned, you know, off the coast of Japan, I just recently interviewed the defense minister there at former defense minister and Hamada. Yeah, I might have been at I know that I gave a virtual presentation to this UAP caucus in the parliament or diet. Yeah, you're two ago. And then just recently I was interviewed in a Japanese media outlet called Deliberty. Oh, cool. And you know, now the prime minister of offices setting up a UAP investigation unit. So that Japan's yeah, there's a lot of changes recently. Oh, yeah, they're very kind of forward looking at the whole topic and the South go. How'd that go? Oh, it was amazing. It was really cool. It was such an honor to be there in such a beautiful or you in Japan. I was in Japan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that country. It's a loser. Did you not much? I was on a ship that was at sea a lot, but we were stationed in Japan. Oh, wow, Okinawa. Where were your Coast Guard? Oh, your Coast Guard. Okay. Cool. Amazing. Love that love the people love that place. It's got an incredible history when it comes to UFOs. There's a a mountain called Mount Sengun Mori. And it's in the Fukushima prefecture. And Fukushima, of course, is famous for its 2011 nuclear disaster. But UFOs were reported to show up around the nuclear disaster. I know. I've seen the video. Yeah. And there's a there's a mountain with the at the top of the mountain. There's a museum dedicated to UFOs and in Sengun Mori. Yeah. No, did you go there? I went. Oh my gosh. That's great. Really? There's also a guy and I'll shut up about Japan at some point. But there's a guy talking of Jowson. He's a NASA historian. And he has met Edward Teller. He's met Jesse Marcel Jr. He's interacted with Herman Oberth. You know, the father of German rocket treat like all these amazing kind of gray beards. And he has these NASA you know rocket boosters and capsules on loan from NASA for 100 years. And he has a museum dedicated to American space history and UFOs. And he claims to have a he's in Japan. He claims to have a piece of the Roswell crash with them. Wow. And I don't know if you look at it. I did. It was in it. It was encased. And I just, you know, I was like, there's definitely a translation barrier. And I was asking about the, you know, the extent of the testing. And it, to me, it's, you know, similar to what you read on Reddit. I just can't endorse the thing. But it was amazing. That's really neat, Jesse. Wow. It was cool. But okay, speaking of, you know, alien bases or hotspots, if you had to, you know, just pinpoint hotspots around the world, one might be the South China Sea. Are there others that like would you, if you had to, if you had to pick like five to seven top candidates, what would, what would they be for you? Sure. I'm not super knowledgeable about this. But there's one in the Atlantic. I'm almost certain the Burmita triangle or what have you. And then, and then Southern California seems to be, the Catalonian channel seems to be a hotspot. Yeah. That's just from my, my own, I would say less than educated knowledge. I don't, I'm not a dedicated UAP researcher, but I'm starting to be one, if you will. What do you, what do you say? Well, yeah. I mean, Preston, Danette wrote a book called Under C U F O. I read it. I read it, I read it. So yeah, that's where, unfortunately, you get into total speculation. Not again, not, not to hammer him. It's an informative book, because all those I witness accounts are, are serious. These are people who saw things. But at the end of the book, I find some fault with what he did. He went, and there's this whole line of on social media somewhere about this feature off of Socal called Sikamor Nol. Yeah, point doom off the coast. That's right. And he puts it in his book. And ultimately, that, that, that area has been so thoroughly researched. There was even a peer reviewed marine geology publication on that. And, and it was surveyed extensively. And there's the geologists all come up with various theories about how it was formed. But that, that, that, where he, when he speculates that's the undersea base, he's totally off the mark. It's been so thoroughly surveyed. There's, it's, it's just not. I mean, it was sub also sub bottom profilers that go under the sea floor to look at the geologic structure. There was no alien base there. Yeah. because I occasionally surf at point doom and I, you know, I had some friends who I actually I believe a mutual friend, you know, Will O'Brien at Ulysses. Yeah, that's right. So I was like, well, we got to get your rover and, you know, put it down there and let's see. And we did a little bit of preliminary research and for the context for the audience, this is somebody with a startup who builds these amazing deep sea rovers. And we did the research and we're like, I don't think there's anything in it. It's not even worth the resources to like look. Yeah, it wouldn't have been. Unfortunately, but still holding out hope maybe for Catalina. Well, hey, look at this. I have right. And so this is how common this is becoming. So my, my, my middle daughter is at the Naval Academy. She's a mid shipment and very proud of her. Congrats. Thank you. And, and she's studying oceanography just like her parents. And, uh, and her, she swims on the swim team like her parents and, uh, and so it's fun to see. But her teammate, uh, her teammate has a father who was just retired as a F 18 pilot, formerly F 14 pilot. So maybe captain and they live in Pacific palisades and, and they've seen, they've seen UAP over the channel. Litted information several like white lights, clearly operating under intelligent control. Uh, I mean, and I was finding because when we first met, he'd known that I speak up about this and the family shared me. Oh, yeah, we see these things. Yeah, there are a lot of reports around Catalina. I'm, I'm a big fan of this sort of mid century, uh, inventor named Thomas Townsend Brown. And he had a UFO experience on Catalina Island. What happened? He was being approached. This is, but by the way, his daughter relaying this, um, he, he passed away in 1985. Um, but he was being approached by this orb. Yes, and I know he was actually approached him. And he said, he learned so much standing there with that ball of light. And he said he went to work immediately anywhere that was, that was the beginning of his life. And I guess he then sort of approached the orb and they had this like almost like communion moment with this sort of glowing orb. And according to his daughter, that was when he downloaded his life's work. And he had a lab in Pasadena at the time. And he, he went back to the lab. And he just, you know, really started working on this, he was actually became a Navy man after that. You know, this is interesting because now I'm on this UAP Science Advisory Council reporting to OD&I. And we're starting to dig into all these pursue files. And there's this one report that came out about these law enforcement agents that are at a national security site somewhere, uh, in the west. And they have all these interactions with orbs and ones even a mothership of orbs that launches other orbs from it. And this is, uh, and so this is something actually that, uh, Avilobar chair wrote about in one of his medium articles because this is these are legitimate witnesses. And then then John Kuzlowski for the record stating that a large percent of these orbs just have no explanation. There's nothing that we have that we that we could, it's not weather, it's not some technology, it's not some laser effect. They're seriously just not sure what these are. So that's he, so we're starting to look at ways to describe how do you produce these orbs? What are they? And then we're starting to research these because they're seen all everywhere all the time. And yeah, so that's that's a serious line of investigation. I'm going to go under this, as a member of this council to go meet with, uh, two engineers that, um, uh, off the coast, they've been researching off the coast of line. Jerry and John Tedesco. Oh yeah, Tedesco brother. Yeah, they have some serious data of orbs off shore. So I'm going into the water. And so now this is a legitimate line of research for us. So I'm, I'm going to go up there. We're actually I'm not going to go there. We're going to go to Maine and that's just the location we're going to meet. I'm going to review their data and hopefully, hopefully share that with the rest of the council and and start doing a little more, a little more. I mean, the council has a number of different types of the psychologists, engineers, physicists, oceanographers like me. So we're going to go all go after this and see, if we can get, uh, prove, I understand what these are actually. That's amazing. Well, they were a big part of tracking the Jersey drone flap, um, in 2024. Yeah. Trump made a really interesting, you know, as Trump tends to do kind of sheets from the hip. And after that Jersey drone flap, he was like, uh, we know where they're coming from. They're coming from a garage. Look, our military knows where they took off from. If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went. Something strange is going on for some reason. They don't want to tell the people. And it seemed to be implying that, you know, he thinks that they're coming from under water. And there were sightings, of course, around that time off the coast where it seemed like these UAPs were emerging from the water. So, yeah, I don't know. I actually, uh, that's a big question mark for me, the Jersey drones. I don't know their nature. I have a good friend named Greg Skiduto who now works with Ryan Graves at Americans for Safe Aerospace. And he wrote a terrific article. It got published in the Rolling Stone about the New Jersey drones. I encourage your listeners to check it out. And, uh, but still, it's just still a, uh, real unknown there in terms of multiple levels, local, state, even federal. 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I can't say a whole lot more, but I'm with a team of various deemed archaeologists and geologists that we believe we found the region in the Atlantic that is fits all the descriptions of Plato's dialogues where he talks about Atlantis at length with actual dimensions of the width of the canal and the system and other features of it that I won't go into because I don't want the location revealed, but we believe we found it a very an area. We have some proprietary bathymetry and we it's very high resolution and the region that he points to basically there are a lot of features there that correspond to exactly how Plato described it. So we were in the just today, I had the most amazing development. I can't say who, but a very very well-funded researcher with a very high-end ship and remotely operating vehicle is it wants to take our wants to take the brief. He wants to hear. Wow. Yeah. And this has happened today and I'm thrilled because this guy can make it make this expedition happen this summer. That is so exciting. I know. I know. I mean, I'm praying because he's got a ship and this ship does, he owns it. You can do whatever you want with it. And if he really feels the need, we might be diving on that thing real soon. That's amazing, man. Well, if you need a water boy. Yeah. Let me know. Right. Well anyway, - Yeah, more to follow. - Very, very cool. Can I speculate and you don't have to say anything as to where this thing might be? - Well, let me just, I think this whole thing, the topic of Atlantis is a lot like UAP where it's just sort of gotten very conflated with all these other theories and whatnot. And I think when you just walk it back to the time frame, he eludes to, it's not impossible at all. And then we come up with the geologic theory to explain rapid geological subsidence over a period of just a few years rather than millennia that could cause a whole city to submerge like an island, right? So there's all the physics and all the human history. We're not talking a million years ago or a billion. We're talking within the span of human civilization before Egypt, but yeah. We'll pre the '90s, if anyone were to say that the civilization was as old as Gebekli Teppi, said it was, they think it was crazy. And so the history of archeology is the history of things getting older. And it's like Moore's Law or something where you know, transistors on a cell, it's literally a lot. You could basically come up with because the things that are lower in the sediment layer are also generally older. And archeology itself as a field is only 200 years old with the discoveries of cities of Assyria and Babylonia, 200 years ago. - It's fascinating, huh? - It is fascinating. And so I think the idea, not necessarily Atlantis is a placeholder term that comes from so long relaying this myth to Plato, I think a lot of people discount that because it was told that this mythos festival of Tameyus and Krateus, when in fact, I think a lot of Plato's stuff was probably actually ontologically true and real. And a good example of something like this is Troy was supposedly fictional. And Heinrich von Schlimen, this kind of amateur German businessman found it. - Yeah. - And I like that because exactly, it's someone who's not mainstream and archeology who any find this. In fact, the person who is leading this research effort, again, not gonna name his name, but he's a career emergency room MD. - Whoa. - He's not, has nothing to do with archeology, but he is a good story. 'Cause it takes people who are outside the system to have a more practical view of, and this occurs in all fields. So he, 'cause he's an ER doc, stressful job. And so he would, on weekends, just look up things that were interesting and he kind of got down this, this Atlantis rabbit hole and started reading the original dialogues and doing, and just over 10 years of time, compounding a great deal of open source, geologic and archeological information, and then bring on advisors, he's bringing on. And so this is neat, I'm really glad. I'm a recent advisor. I came in just 'cause of my oceanography experience. And what I did, so I set him up, there's another researcher, and because we wanna keep this private, I'm not gonna name him. Who has been researching UAP and moon structures today. I won't name him now. So he comes to me. And we end up just sharing information and staying in touch. 'Cause I like his approach, he's this really interesting research. Anybody who is approaching these fields with a real objective and bright mind, he's a physicist, for example. And okay, I wanna be on my show. But, actually, after, when all this comes out, I don't know what he's gonna do. He's a neat guy. He's, yeah, he's just wanted researching moon and Mars structures. He's not, it's not Max Directionie. It is. Okay, I was good. Well then, and that's fine. I might have my name out there. Yeah, yeah, he's been on, so yeah. And he's a friend, he's amazing. He's so hard-headed. Gosh, I know, he's very deep, and I wouldn't want to debate him. Oh my gosh, no, I'm not in his league. But, yeah, so it is Max, and in fact, but so Max came up with this algorithm that is searching for, I guess, terrain. It looks at any kind of a 3D topographical dataset and the algorithm, and someone else developed it. So I don't wanna, and I don't know who that is, I forgot his name, but so just a bold disclosure there. But the algorithm can determine with I think a high probability what is natural and what is human-made or artificial. And so what I did is I said, this would be really good for our Atlantis region butthymetry. And so I connected Max in this researcher, and they got along, and that connection eventually leading us to potentially this very wealthy ocean researcher with a ship. Wow. So I find this, so this is like a very broad philosophical pitch here. I never say no to anyone who reaches out to me. I don't not answer emails. Every now and then I get some really strange things, I don't answer those. But if there is a very legitimate credible person who says I'm very interested, I wanna contribute, and sometimes I just gotta say thanks, I'll keep your name, and when I'm ready to, when there's something that comes that we could use you for. But it's just, to me, I don't like being rude, and I like, I know that opportunities arise when you build a network and maintain it. And that's exactly what happened, Max, okay? I'm busy with, and it was, every new person has more information, sometimes hard to keep track of. But I knew Max had that real intellect that, this is a guy worth knowing, and now he might make this whole Atlantis thing of victory. That's so exciting. Well, I really hope it happens, and yeah, he's the, exactly the right mind to kind of help with, you know, efforts like this, 'cause he's very hard headed, and yeah, really kind of lucid as a thinker. - Right, there's someone else in that category I wanna bring up quickly, and I'm not sure where this'll go, but I'm, I have been a, also not say no, and to a person who reached out to me, who was a writer, and his name is Richard Battelho, and he's got a book called The Full Extent, and he wrote a really thoughtful, long form article called Human to Humanoid, and you could look up his website, Richard Battelho, was interesting about him, besides just being a deep thinker on this topic, is, you know, you might know, we've gotten a lot of traction in the media, and so for example, I was on Brett Bear's show. Jake Tapper's show, Sean Ryan's show, yours now? - There you go. - And so, Rick is the one who got me the Brett Bear interview, and he's the one, he's my, been my private, kind of a confidant, and getting to Brett, which is big, having that is, I think is, is really helping our movement, and he remains interested. So, he not only did interview me, he interviewed, I think Carl Nell, me, - Dave Grush. - Dave Grush, Jason Stratton. But basically, once Rick came to me, then I ended up vectoring Brett to all those folks, and he got them all on. So that's been a big kick for us, of getting the credibility established and mainstreaming this. So I wanted to give Rick a shout out too, as one of these shout out, they're out there. - Yeah, I'll say this, and you should say nothing, but I think the Azores is interesting. The reason I say that is 'cause I'm friends with Randall Carlson. - Oh yeah. - And he is probably as deep as anybody I know when it comes to Plato, and the historical accuracy of where Atlantis would actually be located, and so he puts it in the Azores. It's a very broad region, so at least we could keep it vague. But yeah, I think something might be interesting. - Randall, and is it Graham? - Graham Hancock. - Hancock, yeah. - Yeah. - Exactly, I like these folks that are not, they're pushing the boundary of science and history, as it should be, in a legitimate way. - Yeah. - So yeah, we're learning more. And like you said, history, we're walking back history more and more. - The ultra terrestrial hypothesis is so interesting. This idea that there was maybe a cataclysm, I mean, maybe something caused the ice age, and that's what those two guys think, is that maybe there was a comet air burst in the Torrid meteor stream, which occurs twice a year every year, and this occurred literally, actually, if you look at when the legend of Atlantis was told, it was like 600 BC, and it was like 9,000 years earlier as when this occurred, and that maps to Meltwater Pulse 1B, which is a flood that probably got us out of the ice age. So like it flood caused the ice age, and a flood might have gotten us out of the ice age, and both might have, you know, involved sort of cataclysmic shifts in the earth. And of course, you'd end up with a lot of stuff really buried, and all this stuff, Graham, is uncovering of like, you know, footprints in North America, from 20,000 years ago and ancient archaeological structures that look, you know, really the same across disparate parts of the world. I think Atlantis is this, it's become this hoki, almost age of Aquarius hippie, like placeholder that we, you know, has a connotation, has baggage. - That's right. - But the ideas of, they're being possibly an antediluvian advanced civilization, I think we have to be open. - Absolutely. - Mine up to that, yeah. - Why not? - Why not? - In terms of our evolution of our intellect, there has to have been really rich civilizations and that those time-bring time. - Totally. Have you heard of the Baltic Sea anomaly? - I have. - Yes. - So I went out there. - We did. - Yeah. - Oh, that's right. I saw that tree. - Yes, I saw you on that tree. It was with Dennis and Asperger. He's a treasure hunter, I guess, historically. So there's like this mercenary, like trying to find, like, you know, often it was like liquor and wine and these like, you know, shipwrecks and stuff. And in the middle of the Baltic Sea, kind of smack dab between Sweden and Finland, he finds this thing that looks like the Millennium Falcon as far as the shape. And it, like, it seems like it's emitting all sorts of electromagnetic anomalies. - Yeah. - The most GPS? - Very close to the object. - So the object? - Oh my God. - Right above the spot, right above the Baltic Sea anomaly. - And they send rovers down there and the rovers go off and they do have GPS failures occur all the time. It's actually very similar to skin walker ranch in many ways. - Oh, let's talk about that, too. - Well, I want to talk about both because the subplot to me of the show, the secrets of skin walker ranch and basically the Baltic Sea anomaly is that we've located UFOs, or at least UFOs in that they're unidentified and they have bizarre properties. I'm not saying they're flying objects. I'm not saying they were formally flying. I'm just saying there's a lot of anomalies and they're sort of mere attributes to that. - Right. And you're talking about the one in the mesa? - The one in the mesa, exactly. And it's like we've located them, but it's hard to actually extract them because it's like they have a life of their own. - So I'd love to get more of a more robust oceanographic team out to the anomaly to research it. - Yeah. - Because it doesn't have infinite resources. It's hard to go to sea and do research like you did. And that's, so potentially like with Atlantis, if I can get one of these higher and well-funded oceanographic researchers to explore that I'd like to. So I'm looking for opportunities. But going back to the ranch, a recent development for me and it's exciting and interesting is that it was actually because Brandon Fugel, the owner, he and I had this common, I'll call it a difference of opinion with the former arrow director, Sean Kirkpatrick. And that sort of united us in a little in a way. But we started communicating and he said, and he invited my wife and I out to the ranch. By the way, I want to talk remote viewing 'cause my wife is complete of Paul Smith courses. - Wow. - And we should go there. - Yeah. - But so it was just really neat. And so we communicated and he invited us out. So we went out and we had this great day together. And it was really something that the show doesn't necessarily highlight purposefully, but it is so beautiful out there. I love the West and it's just a great location. We didn't have anything anomalous occur but we got the whole history and we learned their scientific method, which is terrific. - Yeah, I'm fascinated by it and I don't know a lot of people say, oh, it's like the modern Oak Island or whatever, Oak Island's very different. Okay, like they were looking for the Ark of the Covenant and the whole show is them not finding the Ark of the Covenant. So you could just get in the walker ranch. They're finding interesting stuff on every show. So it's like entirely different. It's not like there's this one binary event, you know, after all this buildup. It's like an accumulation of evidence. - Yeah, and we have to appreciate too the history here. Recall that DIA funded a two year or so effort to research the ranch. And this is the books that Jim Lekatsky and Column Keller wrote with George Napp then the follow on is the Jim wrote future visions and new insights I think they're called. But he documents fully the research done there, all the anomalies, many witnesses. This is a government funded, I mean, actually some people, he likes to say, or maybe it's him or somebody that that's basically disclosure right there, those books. - Yeah. - A funded effort and so, and it's transitioned now to the nature of the show right now on History Channel. But serious real research that Travis is leading. - Yeah, definitely. And a lot of those diards that came out of that period - Exactly. - Aw sap and you know what Bigelow was doing. It was a lot of really impressive scientists who were kind of doing the best research. - Yeah, these are serious people, yeah, absolutely. And it's interesting to me that academia is so kind of, you know, dismissive of a lot of these things. - Academia, actually, here's, so I'm a book, you know, out here and it's called Holding Fast and Heavy Seas. Go buy it, Amazon. - It's on Amazon. - There's a novel, my website, TimGaldit.com. And it's about my leadership in the Navy, and then at NOAA during Trump's first term. And, you know, ultimately, what is about is that Trump is a very challenging executive to work for. But, and even though we had, I dealt with that, we were able to achieve this agency I worked at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. NOAA, a lot of really significant environmental winds winds for the ocean, for ocean technology, for weather. And this, it's just the story of how to prevail when it can be difficult. And so, just like right now, okay, the, the, a lot of people have a hard time with many of what Trump, things that Trump is doing, the Rand War, what have you. But, but there are things he's also doing that are very good. And I, here's his science advisor, Michael Cracios. I work with him and they're in the first term. And, and I think he's taking a good approach, granted a lot of funding cuts everybody has a problem with, but there's plenty of private sector research occurring right now. And that's really what he's working to embrace, all the advances in the private sector. And, and, and so my point is this, that, that a lot of the American scientific enterprise, mainstream science, has become, and Avi writes about this all the time, basically gun shy. They're, they're just, they refuse to innovate and use frontier tech. They've sort of just gravitated towards the mean. And I think, I think Avi and, and Michael Cracios, I think they're right. And this is what this UAP thinking is about. This, embracing the potential for Atlantis to be and go search for it, it's just not, not being afraid, willing to think outside the box. And that just in terms of, in terms of the way you think. And, and so I think, and mainstream sciences are just, because they, they won't look into UAP seriously. And, and, and so that, those are the things I'm trying to change. That's what my books about is, is working to address things as, as you see them for the truth that they are. They agree. I think, I think the kind of over-tune window things just get very narrow at the end of a paradigm. And often things that are not taken seriously, end up, you know, becoming the mainstream in the future. And if you can't point to anything that isn't received knowledge that you're not, you know, somewhat into or interested in or think might become received knowledge or mainstream in the future, then you're definitely on the wrong side of history. Right. You have to be kind of inherently. If you just look at the history of science and human knowledge, there's a decay rate on present knowledge and there's always new knowledge coming in. So, I think, being totally close-minded to that is kind of dogmatic. And I agree with you. Good. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, I'm glad. Thank you. I appreciate you addressing that. The other thing I wonder is how much, kind of, you know, signatures, whether it be radar, you know, actually move the needle. Like, I feel like we need the threshold for evidence, because, you know, I just debated Michael Schirmer, who's a fellow UAP advisory council member on the show. And it's like the threshold for evidence for a lot of, you know, people to believe that there's even a there there is really high. Like, you need like, 'cause I brought up like this Japan Airlines case in 1986. I know that, yeah. Where it's like you have 45 minutes of publicly available radar data, physicists who reviewed it, like Kevin Knuth who's also on the review panel. And he's saying that, you know, I think these show, you know, UFOs present. And you have two objects and then you have a large, like almost aircraft carrier-sized walnut-shaped object following this thing. And then you have this, you know, what seems like a very above-board pilot who, I believe he was, you know, military before he became a commercial pilot for decades. And you know, Japan, Japanese culture, it's like they're not historic or attention-seeking at all. And so, you know, you have that, and you have, and then you have the Nimitz case where it's similar profile with David Fraver and you have Fleer alongside it. So like, say you get the radar for Nimitz. Like, at what point do we just admit that there's a there there? I mean, do you, then you get optical on top of that? Like, I'm not, I'm still guessing some subset of the population if we had optical radar and Fleer, you know, in a specific instance, with the high credibility witness, they would still be holding out. Yeah, that seems to be, well, remember, this whole stigmatization has been an 80-year campaign and it's been very effective and well-funded. It started after the Robertson panel and we all, so this is, that's why it's so hard to break. No one's, it's not open yet, but it's becoming open. And I think I really think, well, there's two things. The more the public has to be accepting and that's occurring. And then I think it's important for authoritative sources to acknowledge this reality. And that might be, it was occurring with our government right now. It's, again, it's still to work in progress with the pursuit files. Again, there's no metadata there, but there's a whole lot of UAP activity in those videos and reports. So I think that's what it's going to take. I think it's going to take our government 'cause we do show leadership in this. many areas still do. I mean, I'm doing with a science advisory council with OD&I. It's got to be the White House saying, "Okay, here's what we have." Well, speaking of people who are more open-minded and adventurous, I think I read somewhere that you might be working with Victor Viscova on the Atlantis front. He's a good friend of mine. Yeah. Okay, so I met him through my work at NOAA, and so we signed an agreement together. We were at a Capitol Hill event, and I introduced him, and that's how we started our relationship. And the agreement we had was he had built this submersible that could go to the full ocean depth, the deepest part of the ocean, the challenge or deep in the Mariana's trench. And he bought a ship, a former Navy ship that became a NOAA ship, and now it was his ship, called the pressure drop, and then his submersibles called the limiting factor. And he dived to five, in 2018 and '19, he dived to the five deepest trenches all around the world. No one had ever done it. And he called this the five deeps, and then he did the deepest one, challenge or deep, 14 times or so. And so what we did at NOAA is we put a scientist on his ship to help him accurately map all those trenches, because none of them had been mapped to modern standards and fully. So he could say this is the deepest part of that trench, and then go dive in it. Some of the trenches that he dived in, we weren't sure what was the deepest part. And so our scientists helped him with that. He shared his data with us, because we're the curator of that mathematic data for the U.S. EEZ. So we have this relationship now, and he got there, because as a member of the Explorers Club, like me, he had started out mountain climbing, and he climbed Kilimanjaro, and he failed the first time, and he that's sealed his resolve, and he succeeded the next time, and then he decided to climb all the highest peaks in the continents. So he climbed the five, and then he skied to the North Pole and the South Pole. So yes, and so that's called the Explorers Grand Slam. So he did all that, and then he's been to space. Yep. So that was, so there you go, then he did this, because that wasn't enough for him, he did all those five dives, and then then he went into space. Yeah. That's not. So he's the most vertical human on the planet. Sounds like it. It sounds like the real-life Doseki sky or something. The most interesting thing in the world. He is 100%. You know what? And what's cool is that, first of all, he's a very humble guy, was a Navy intelligence officer, and then retired as a commander. And so one of my favorite pictures in the book is at the first person to dive into the the Mariana's trench that challenged her deep part, deep seven, 35,000 feet, so seven miles deep. It was a guy named Don Walsh with a Swiss oceanographer named Jean Picard in 1960 with a US Navy bathescape, they called it, and can't believe they made it an unbelievable expedition. And no one did it after, except for James Cameron once, and his submersible almost didn't make it. And so Victor followed them, but Victor did everything right. He engineered it perfectly. He even pressure tested it in the only tank that can do a full ocean depth simulation in Russia. And so, anyways, so Victor goes and does that, breaks Don Walsh's record. And then in 2022, maybe there was a 90th birthday party for Don Walsh. And so Victor came and I came to celebrate him. And so we got this picture together. Don Walsh on one side, retired Navy captain, who would dive the deepest dive until then, the person who broke it, Victor Riscovo, retired Navy commander. And then me and the middle retired Navy admiral. And we're holding at the Explorers Club a Navy flag that Victor signed and took with him and to that deepest dive in the Mariana's trench. So he he actually flew it outside the pressure hall, so a guy little wet and has a little rust on it. But so I have this Navy flag. He gave it to me too. And he is hanging in my family room and it's a they know it's been to the deepest part of the ocean. That's special. Yeah, it is so cool. And then Victor and that picture of all of us together that of all Navy officers retired. Wow. That's incredible. I'm proud of that. Yeah. Here I am, these two giants. And I'm just happy to be there along for the room. You're a giant too. I don't know. I think you're being now. But Victor Victor is interested. We gave him the presentation on Atlantis and he said, all right, I'm in. Wow. Yeah. And that's a great guy to be working with. He's fantastic. So one of my favorite things about him too is the Navy name to ship after him. No way. Yep. The surveillance ships that that I mentioned acoustic intelligence specialist, potentially identifying an anomalous object in the ocean. Those ships, those ships, there's a class of them, a new class that do have active and passive sonar and find enemy submarines. The new class is named after Don Walsh. And the first ship is the Don Walsh and the second ship is the Victor Escobo. Wow. And we had a big ship naming ceremony with the secretary of the Navy at the Naval Academy last year. And Victor invited me. That's amazing. And I was even more proud the night before he had a small family get together at dinner and he invited Karen and I and my wife Karen being a Navy diver. We an oceanographer. It was a neat, it was a really special night. Wow. That's so cool. Do you ever look into the history of the Navy? Like, look at, I don't know all the time. Yeah. I've studied the Navy's history ever since I was a midshipman. I love naval history. I'm, you know, way more kind of fair-weather fan than you are obviously with your experience. But I look into certain people like, you know, Hyman Rickover and John Peenia Craven. Oh, yeah. I'm always wonder, you know, what they might have known about UFOs. Hyman Rickover is, you know, head of the nuclear Navy. That's right. And founder. Yeah. Do you think that, yeah, do you think those guys ever, you know, knew anything about UFOs at all? So probably. And here's something interesting. Just recently, and this builds off research that Sam Gerbis, UAP Gerb, have you had on your show? Yeah, he's been on the show. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so he, this is something he uncovered that I thought was remarkable. He found, I think it was him, found a video of former, I believe, director of national intelligence or naval intelligence, Bobby Ray Inman, Admiral. He mentioned during, this is well after retirement, at some event, he mentioned the national under underwater or under sea reconnaissance office, Neuro. And so he basically acknowledged it was a real thing. In all my years in the Navy, as the head oceanographer, and knowing, having access to undersea classified programs, I've never even heard of that organization. Really? No, I never, I didn't think it was real. Whoa. So obviously it is real. And it is so classified, I didn't even get a reading. Whoa. You would think the head oceanographer, yeah, that there'd be some, there's, there's no boundary, there's a boundary there. And I didn't cross it. Well, you, you look up. So, yeah, Neuro is national underwater reconnaissance office. Yeah. You look it up and at the Wikipedia is five lines long. And I mean, even the NRO, which they, I guess they call it the, the, the, the little brother to the NRO or the undersea brother. And the NRO was only, I think, made public in the 90s. So for, for 20, 30 years, I think it was totally off the bus. That's right. That's right. So that, that, and I know, I know why, because at least that, again, undersea technology is, that's, can't be compromised, because that's what will keep our shores safe, keep, keep, give us an edge in any fight. And so, and it's interesting. For example, there's a book out there called Blind Man's Blood. Great book. Oh, yeah. And that's a lot, a lot of the summary community is not happy about that book being published. Yeah, it's all their trade secrets. So, but ultimately, so that's how tight that kind of a technology capability is. And if, if, as in our earlier discussion, there are undersea UAP, those would be the assets that would have observed them. Interesting. And that, and so, ultimately, then that means, yeah, there, there aren't maybe folks who, and wasn't history, who, probably knew about this, but I don't know for sure. Because Bobby Ranman, I believe, set up Neuro. Yeah. According to Gerb. And she, then, I believe on a phone call with Bobby Oxler, this UFO researcher, says, yeah, maybe UFOs might come out at some point kind of implying, like he knows there's a, there's a there there. Do you anticipate that any of the recovered vehicles would ever be become available for technological research? I can't, I honestly don't know, there's a possibility. And so, yeah, who knows, but so here's something interesting too. I believe it's the abyss. There's a thread there somewhere in the movie about these divers using liquid oxygen or or or or derivative, basically immersing in the and having a fully not breathing air, but breathing the liquid, which sounds terrifying to me, because it basically got a drown first, right? And, and in the movie, they take a rat. And do you remember this part of it? they take a rat and they put it into the solution and it's of course reacts doesn't want to drown all of a sudden it inhales the water and it feels like it starts to breathe. You don't know about this, do you? No. So here you go. No man, she's gonna drown. Look, look, she's freaking out. She's going through a normal adjustment here. No, I must just look normal to you. She's gonna drown. She's taking the fluid into his lungs. Taking the fluid into his lungs. There he goes. There's a bit of anxiety here. Now he's starting to relax. He's breathing fine. See his chest moving? Getting plenty of oxygen. Damn man, it's breathing it shit. There is a special unit. I'm not gonna say exactly where I have navy divers that have experimented with that technology. And it gives them longer, bottom times and all this, but it's very dangerous. And so this is a very highly classified unit that I know about. And my wife didn't even know about this until I learned later. And so the experiment with that kind of technology. And if anybody does crash retrieval, by the way, Eric Davis has said there are more crash retrieval operations that occurred in the ocean than elsewhere. That's wild. And the units that do that is these guys. Well, so does Naderl know about that in the past today? Probably. And they don't say anything. I wonder about like Glomar Explorer to use corporation. Yeah, a lot of these kind of. So they were, they were the ones, that was the one to recover the Soviets up. The Soviets. The Soviets up. That was it. Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, I wonder if any of these things are dual use. Right. Yeah. That'd be why not. If you have some great capability, yeah, that's what you would use. And, and Bob Lazar, it's interesting. So he did this first kind of press run. And he talked about obviously element 115 reverse engineering a crafted S4 area 51. And he recently, there was a documentary that came out about him. And he just did some other interviews. And he goes, actually, I didn't mean archeological dig. I meant, this was a navy find on the seafloor from what Barry said. That was an archeological dig, which by the way, isn't in the desert. It's in the water. Yeah. That was happened upon by the navy. And that's, that's all I know. And so I found that to be very interesting data. I was like, yeah, what do you ask to say about that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not much more than that. That's kind of, you know, but you also have PAX River is very interesting. I just had on Missouri representative congressman Eric Burleson, who's a great guy. I like that guy. He's super kind of straight shooter on this. What does he know about PAX River? Well, he visited PAX River. And he said, you know, it's public that, you know, it's probably the most advanced, you know, aviation, naval aviation facility in the US. And he visited and he said, if we were to store a craft, it would be here. And I'll tell you, just being there and seeing it, if you were ever going to do a transfer, it would be logistically the perfect venue to do that. And he said, maybe there was even like, you know, that that Lockheed trying to exfiltrate their UFO so that Bigelow could have their eyes on it and look at it. Maybe that craft was held there. And so that was fascinating. Again, here goes by there. Yeah. Yeah. That's very fascinating. I was like, you know, yeah, same. And then, of course, you have, do you know about this bluegill triple prime test? Very, very much. My wife and I helped Jeff Krukchenk. Okay. I had to report on it. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So there's a whole section of, he wrote this report and there's a whole section where we examine deck logs of ships that we think were involved in some partial recovery of, you know, that object or something related to it. This is a main. So the context for this is Harold Maumgren, who is this kind of elder statesman. You know, you interviewed. I interviewed. That's a great interview. Thank you. I really Pippa is wonderful. I wish she's amazing. I wish I met him. It's an honor for you to have. It was a total honor. And I, you know, I felt in many ways unqualified, but just really, as I do here, but it was just a great, beautiful interaction kind of at the end of his life. He talked about actually holding the pieces from this crash and that it came down, I guess, out of the plume of this nuclear blast in 1962 and October. You had this bluegill triple prime test. He said, well, it reached for some stops in his desk. These are things that have come down. I'm looking at this in your desk. Round rocks, you know. So you're looking at like material, anomalous material. Yeah, debris. And there were these navy deck logs and I believe there might have even been an outage on one of the ships. Like there was some radioactive. Yeah. Yeah. Everything should down. Yeah, they lost power. And then there's this, soap, uh, uh, special officer present afloat to senior officer present afloat. There you go. You wouldn't know. Um, so in general, starboard, I believe was his name. Admiral Admiral starboard. You're helping me walk through this. And he, and he flew, I believe to the US, and seemingly this kind of like emergency fit at 4 a.m. that night. Yeah. So it seems like something dropped out. And then there was a guy who used the Freedom of Information Act to request all records of UAV, UAP, UFO, any acronym related to UFO from the Starfish Prime series. And they were like, yeah, we have responsive records, but we had to forward them to the special, uh, you know, to the subject matter expert who knows about this. Yeah. The NSA said this. Oh, yeah. So who was that? They requested them. It was an anonymous request. So, you know, maybe you have to put, you know, adjust your, your, you know, belief in that somewhat based on that. But I, you know, it seemed like a real request. And it seemed like he screen shot at the response. So, um, it seems like there's a tapestry of evidence that a UFO might have come out of this plume from Blue Guild Triple Prime. And it's, it's just amazing. I'm, I'm again, not 100%, but very highly likely. I'm convinced it did. Yeah. And so that's what happened is we, we went and looked at all the deck logs for Jeff, because he, great guy, by the way, really diligent researcher, nice person too. Uh, and, uh, because we know how, we could read a deck log and know exactly what's going on. And so, okay, the ship's doing this. This is what happened. And we were able to interpret for him what we think was going on. Did you think that something anomalous was recovered from the deck? I do. Wow. So this is fascinating. And I love that you're saying this because you have the authority to say it. And there are a bunch of other people who are weighing in and they're like, it's the instrumentation pod, or it's the booster or whatever. Oh, yeah. Well, there, there was, there was, there were, there were those, um, but then, but you have to line up. Uh, there's, there's other elements of that recovery operation that are very anomalous. And then, and then some things that aren't even in the deck log, uh, that, that you could tell that they should have been cited and weren't because we know the history. He went and researched the history. Why didn't they put that in the deck log? There's a personal transfer of divergent interest there. Yeah. This is fascinating. So I, I, let me, let me draw back. I can't say 100% because I didn't see the object. Sure. But that, there was some, there was a highly unusual operation that occurred and some of it was not recorded. I think so too. Yeah. Because there's, there's a section where there, um, when they do make this a first recovery attempt, they're doing all these engine orders and, and, um, uh, and if I recall, I have to go look at the report again. But, um, and they were laying out all this anchor line. Okay. That was, that was the, that was the, uh, now I remember they laid out all this anchor line where previously when they anchored, they only laid out a little bit because they were, they were going to pull up the hook as they call it very soon after. So there's no need to set out a lot, a lot, a lot of anchor line. Um, if you're going to move the next day, but there's a set, there was this portion where they laid out a ton of shot. That's the term that you say, uh, because they were going to do something that was going to be really heavy lifting. You know, spending time with Harold, I, that guy was in a while. Yeah. Well, there you go. No, no, he has nothing, he had nothing to get. Had nothing to gain. Nothing. Yeah. I'm glad. And it was not so sweet of, uh, pipa to be with him and have, you, those are great interview. Thank you. I, well, he was, he was amazing. And, uh, you know, he, he's just an incredible guy. Um, how do we get back to the future when it comes to our oceans? Because I think about the 50, 60, 70s and you had sea lab and you had, you know, and then you had this unfortunate death on sea lab, but you had this idea of aqua knots, you know, now, we think of just getting there. Are we getting there? First off, there's a cool thing about sea lab. Yeah. I happen, and this is in my book, too. I happen to be at Stennis Space Center. That's where my command was stationed. Uh, and, you know, that's the nature of NASA stations as you often have multi uses. So you have some navy units. Maybe you have, there was actually a navy seal unit there too. But, uh, and so we were there, and they had some special event one day that I went to, and it involved some of the mercury astronauts giving a small talk because they were on a roadshow to promote some, some NASA space related education initiative. And so a big auditorium full of the three astronauts. It was Wally Sharaw, Gordon Cooper, and Scott Carbender, and heroes here. And, uh, I had a chance to hear them speak. And then the audience, of course asked all the no more questions about space, a lot of high school kids there and so what's it like to be an astronaut and zero gravity and how do you go to the bathroom and all this things and little kids do that. I got up and I asked Scott Carpenter I said because he'd been to see that he was the only guy one of the few people who'd been an astronaut and an aquanaut and so I asked him how do you compare the two and he said he said oh going up in space is just glorious it's you're shot on the end of a rocket you get up there and everything's bright and beautiful and and you come back and you know after not very long and it's just the most amazing experience of your lifetime and and then he paused and he said well but when you go in the ocean things are really hard and they break and it's cold so he had nothing good about it so it was just a lot of challenges and I don't know when the death occurred but yeah and I know this from my wife being a diver the ocean is a very hard environment to operate in and and it's funny because I left that meeting going how funny or ironic that member Kennedy gave his big speech at Rice University we choose to go to the moon and disdicate and do the other things not because they are easy but because they are hard yeah and here is here Scott Carpenter telling me that operating space is a cakewalk but going in the oceans and other story which I know to be true from Victor's expedition because he actually got it all documented on the Discovery Channel series and things break and and comms you lose comms and all this so at any rate though technology is allowing us to move beyond that and I actually have advised a new company called deep that's just their name and they're building an ocean habitat it's already deployed in the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary which is like an underwater national park that no one manages and and so this is they just installed it and their chief scientists is a wonderful woman named Don Carnegie and she's alright I think she's already dive the habitat so I'm my goal is to go dive that habitat soon yeah so that that's there there's another one I gave a talk last year at Earth X an environmental conference and I did a fireside chat like we're doing here with NASA former NASA astronaut called names named Dr. Scott Farazinski is an MD and he was the head spacewalker for NASA for a while and he now is an advisor for a new company and the name escapes me I think it's proteus and it's one of the Castos sons founded it and they're building ocean habitats too so when you think about those and the fact that new technologies like autonomy robots robotics are advancing so rapidly and look at look at what Victor did and I we're gonna see more and more this I'm so excited because we're we've mapped more of the moon and Mars than we have our own planet isn't that right and that's another thread take us down about under CUAP that that yes we know not only more of the seabed or apart me that we've mapped the moon the surfaces of moon and Mars to a higher resolution than our seabed we've only mapped 27% of the seafloor to modern standards that's so much territory and then and it's 70% of the planet and so and then we've only explored with with drifter's floats and drones about 10 percent of the and ROVs 10 percent of the ocean volume so this could be an answer to the Fermi paradox yeah where is everybody exactly they're in the ocean where they are exactly and and we know the the UAP whenever is controlling it they're they're elusive they they are not just showing up and announcing themselves and so the the that fact and the the large territory of the ocean that we know nothing about really points in the direction that that's that's probably where they are yeah but fellow UAP White House advisor Kevin Knuth yeah he is a great theory about quick russian yeah go for we're not we're not reporting the White House okay we we report to the ODNI okay got it of course the White House as the White House does you know the Department of War reports to the NSC and so and then they they're both NSC's or White House body ODNI supports the White House reports to the White House so we have that layer there got it okay yeah good good correction he talks about water worlds and basically planets that have water as being like the perfect kind of Goldilocks zone because obviously a phase transitions you have you know solid liquid gas plasma and so if you can have a liquid form of water it's like an indication that you're in some sort of Goldilocks zone oh yeah and so you have Mars is way too cold you have Venus is way too hot yeah as an example so we're the you know this perfect sort of third planet distance away from the from the Sun and so if you have other water worlds maybe that's where you'd have this Kardashev for scale civilization that is really advanced and so maybe you know if there is kind of an interstellar highway the the kind of connective threat as to where they camp out on different planets as they would camp out in water worlds interesting yeah there's a of course they're not not so habitable but the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and solace and Europa there I think I hypothesized to have ocean interiors with ice ice exteriors yes and so NASA's been working to build capabilities that actually funded some of our work to what the goal was to basically land on the surface and then punch a hole and send in a remotely operating vehicle so some of our NOAA ROV work we have an exploration ship called the Okianis Explorer we I think NASA supported to advance that technology that they could eventually apply for missions to those moons that would be amazing that's so cool it's cool about about that is I kind of related is that NASA astronauts all train in Houston in the one of the largest pools in the world it's called the neutral buoyancy lab okay have you heard of it now it's so cool so yeah and so basically they're all where their space gear in this pool to simulate neutral buoyancy gravity free and and so what's needed about that is now in my my whole past government work I've been working for companies in the the prime contractor for that come that that facility the neutral buoyancy that is a is a company called Rothee and they they're going public and they want me to come on their board and so I got to go down there and check out that that whole awesome setup and they have a whole team of divers that support the astronauts so sooner or later they're going to have a VIP diving day and my wife and I are going to go down and get on a scuba and go dive that tank with astronauts wow that's amazing anyways that all kind of related stuff there speaking of you know maybe geothermal pockets that are habitable within ice do you think that anything might be residing in Antarctica that we're not aware of yeah there's isn't there's a lot about that possibility and I think who was someone thought that Admiral Bird had someone counter when he was down there yeah exactly there's I know nothing of that I have friends who worked in Antarctica I have friends Noah friends who previously had been ice diapers down there and then I have another colleague who's a very accomplished underwater photographer named Becky shot and she is does expeditions down there all the time and is a very accomplished diver ice diver so nobody I know who's been down there and there are many have have seen anything I've heard the reports but yeah right now I don't have any data or just legends for now yeah but your your wife is a remote viewer is that right so this is a good line of inquiry because like mainstream science as we alluded to before I don't know how it has been but but in mainstream science consciousness has not been treated as it should be right and the idea of all these aspects of consciousness like out of body experiences near death experiences and and the the survival of human consciousness after death right after death so and the and and other related characteristics phenomena like telepathy and so just like UAP stigmatized that nothing there there it's not real it's not scientific well what we're seeing now is whether it be the scientific study or like with the division of perceptual studies at University of Virginia do you know that yeah yeah okay those people those fine people those scientists or Diane Hennessy Powell and her work without autistic patients how about that did you have a runner oh yeah I've had a runner she talks about the conversations these autistic kids have together yeah they come on on a hill yeah right almost like meeting station but in like you know some like mental aetheric form or something it's amazing right yes so they're that is all real right there's documented this is a real phenomena and I was taking it to the apply level in this case of remote viewing first off how put off is a good friend and colleague of mine and he's shared extensively about his experience with that the Stargate program and then one of the Stargate programs I believe founders was Paul Smith or at least he was the the army guy. And now he's taking that further, he's written a manual on remote viewing. And it's all about, have you ever remote you? No, I'm never remote. You learn, you learn a protocol like, like so many, I guess, just experiences or methods, there's a way to basically like tap into that, that, that knowledge, which is out there. All knowledge is somehow interconnected. And so Karen has taken one basic course. And then she just finished the advanced course. She actually went to his place in and see your city, Utah. And and she's really good, by the way. And so what happens is they'll give you a, the facilitator gives you a target, basically a set of pictures with a grid coordinate of somewhere, a facility, a natural formation, whatever. And then so he's got this target in mind. And then I guess what all he does is reveal to the viewer, the coordinates of it. And this is a protocol that started out at Stargate. And they did it, kind of worked it over time with really talented remote viewers like Engoswan. Yeah. And yeah, and Joe McMonigal, one of your guests. Yeah, I love him. Yeah, he's brilliant. And so Karen took it all and she, and it works. It's really remarkable because she'll, okay, she'll, and you go through a set of things where you sort of basically clear your mind. And then, then sometimes now your, your mind is always when you're getting a perception, this is perception of something, your, your mind will automatically want to make sense of it. Okay. If you're, if you're seeing, for example, like a wooden tone or something, you're going to go, okay, it's, you're going to build a table right there on your mind. You do that. You make a mental model. And they, in the protocol, you, you learn to recognize when your mind is doing that and you shut it off. Okay. And they call it analytical overlay. You know about it. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. There you go. Yeah. And so Karen's, she's, I won't say she's mastered this, but she's taken, done this for two years now. And she's really good. Wow. And he's, he's nailed these targets. He's gotten to her where she'll start drawing it out. She'll start naming all the, all the kind of associations she's getting, whether the shape, the color of the, the texture. So she'll start with words. And then she'll start drawing the aspects of it. And I even participated in experiment. And there are instances where I got the target spot on. And so I, I even toyed with it. I was part of their little experiment in the group. And so she, and she's gotten them right on the money. And these aren't things you can make up. It'd be one of her targets was this really cool geological formation in a national park. And she drew, she drew them just to a tee. Wow. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't Disneyland. You know, it wasn't the space station. It was that. And she drew exactly that. That's incredible. She's got multiple times. Yeah. Wow. So that, and this is the whole thing, consciousness studies. I, I, I, I hope, as UAP may be becoming that more of our, and especially this, because more of our society that accepts this nature of humanity, this, this true, the truth, the real nature of humanity, there's so much we can do with that. Human potential is so held back by our not accepting the full possibilities of our consciousness and, and, and human connection. Yeah. Like all the UFO infighting. Yeah. If you want, why don't you really get to understand the nature of your mind and other, and connecting with other minds. Maybe all that'll stop. Yeah. Totally. And I mean, that's on the line, right? It's like the nature of consciousness and the nature of reality and, and, and truth about metaphysics and stuff. And why is it a great book? What's a great book? Have you read Dan Brown's secret of secrets? You know, Brandon Fugel just, he was just on the show and he just brought that up. It's, if you care about this topic, he has mastered the story. It's a great storyline too, by the way. But, uh, he goes into all of this. You will be, if you're on the fence about this, this, this nature of consciousness, you, I would think you will be a firm, not, you won't believe, you will know when you finish reading this book. I can't wait to read it. Gosh, it's good. That's amazing. He said, I would love to interview him. I think he lives in New Hampshire or somewhere really. North East. Yeah. Just an amazing, I mean, I've read Angels and Demons and the DaVinci Code and stuff. He's amazing. Yeah. He's really incredible. Do you ever use remote viewing like daily life for like decision making or anything? Well, no, uh, because again, I, you have to be disciplined about the protocol. It's just a, there's an aspect of how your mind works. It's very hard to filter out. Uh, and so, uh, and I, I've, I've just not practiced it enough. And, however, though, intuition. So we're very related. Okay. When you, and you, and you also, you also at the beginning, we all talked about intention. Yeah. You did. And I, I, I, I think that's a really important part of this conversation that when your intention is good and positive, I think then, uh, then I think your mind for some reason is, it's more accessible. Your consciousness is expanded in a way when you have good intention. I think so too. I, I think that's the secret of all of this, this whole topic is it unlocks for you when you have really pure intentions. And when you're seeking truth, and you don't have ulterior motives, you know, I think good things happen. They do. And my life is, is, is an example of that where, and I actually, again, my book, there's a lot of stories I have in this about it's better to be lucky than good. Oh, I love that. And, and, but it's really about having pure positive intention. Whenever I've had that good things happen, great things happen. It was about my going to the Naval Academy really quickly. So there's a whole story in there. I shouldn't have gone in, but I wanted to study the ocean and I wanted to serve my country. And what happened, you like story. So your story teller. Yeah. So I, uh, so I was, I wanted to do this from early age and, and, um, and I, and I kind of misguided, but I also wanted to get a PhD from scripts. And I, I learned that the Naval Academy had one scholarship to scripts. And I thought, okay, I want to study the ocean. It's got a pathway to scripts, scripts, institution of oceanography in La Jolla, California, where the woods hold the top two oceanographic schools in the country, the world. So I wanted that. And, uh, I, I go to the academy. I show up on the very first day. And, uh, they take all the physical tests you took before to get in. And so I retake them and I get to this color vision test. Have you ever taken a color vision test? I don't think I have. So in the Navy, you get tested for everything. And so color vision test, it's called the Ishihara test, uh, named after a certain, uh, science, I guess, doctor and a physician. And he, this test consists of, uh, a circular grouping of, uh, uh, basically dots, colored dots. And the dots are in different colors. And they all make out a number 10, 12, 7, 8. But you can always see the orange eight, uh, in the green reds background, right? Okay. So this is, this is, this is, this is to test you for a very common genetic, uh, uh, trade of color defectiveness in men. And some women, but mostly men have it. And there are a lot of people in the population have it. I don't know the number, but it's not small. And so, but unfortunately that disqualifies you from naval service because in naval service, you need to be able to see green and red very clearly because those are the right lights, navigation lights on ships. So when you go on, or, or aircraft. And so if you can't understand the lights on a ship, you're not going to know the configuration and you could potentially have problems navigating. It's really a strict requirement. I go take that test on the day. My first day at the Academy July 2nd, 1985. And I failed that test. And the corpsman administering it said, and we're all getting back to pure intention. Okay. He said, Whoa, how'd you even get accepted here? Go to the side. We're going to report you. You're going to, you're going to be gone. And oh my gosh. So I go to my, I tell my dad and, and, and the swim coach who recruited me. Oh no. And they run around and go off. And ultimately, I take a wait. And what happens behind the scenes is, the, I, I was the fastest 500 freestyler in the country and probably for prep schools in that year. Wow. So I was recruited heavily. And the coach found out and he reported it to the athletic director. And they decided to give me something they'd never done before. A waiver letter that I signed acknowledging that I couldn't go to the traditional line office officer specialties surface aircraft pilot submarine that I could only, when I graduate, do restricted work that involved either intelligence, medical or oceanography. So it's what I wanted. And it was actually given to me, even though I shouldn't even gotten it. Wow. And they accept me. I go in and here I am. I should never even gone. And I did, and I followed the exact path I wanted to follow. So, and I was, and it was, and there's, this is not even the only time in my book where I talk about this where I had good intention. And I should never have gotten it. Yeah. But some, and somehow I think that was it. As I wanted a good path. And, and the universe opened it up for me. Well, that's a beautiful thing. What's the most precarious situation you've ever been in and, and the Navy? Okay. Good. So there's the Navy. No doubt. And I tell the story too. I was, I was on an aircraft carrier and I was, my job was the officer of the deck. So I was in charge of the ship's oceanographer, but I had a division of aerographers mates that predicted weather. And I didn't really need to step in that. much. So I became a deck watch officer. So I was in charge of the ship for two, four hour stretches a day, directing all movements right, left, head, slow down, launch aircraft, recovery aircraft. Don't, don't, don't launch aircraft. Don't recover aircraft. Giving all the orders for this aircraft care in two combat operations. And during freedom when we first flew strikes in Afghanistan, I came at the tail end of that. And then we did all the strikes into Iraq in 2003 during Iraqi freedom. So big high stress job. And at one point, we were going to their Persian Gulf for Iraqi freedom. We're going through the straight of Malaka. And when you do that, you're, I'm driving the aircraft carrier. You're a hundred feet off the water line. You're, you're way up there. And we narrow water way. Because the USS Cole had been bombed a few years before, we were really wary of any terrorist attacks. So we launched our helicopters. That was the protocol with 50 cowl machine guns. And they were basically patrolling for any small boats that we try to attack us. And, and so the, we're driving. I have a destroyer who's about a thousand yards on my port bow had me to the port to the port. And she was the USS Curves Wilber. And, and so we, and we have a strike group commander embark and he gives all the orders to the strike group. So I'm driving the ship, the aircraft carrier, the Kitty Hawk. And, and they, they give the order for the Curtis Wilber. So we launched the helicopters to watch out for terrorists. And because we launched helicopters, when there's anything, any aircraft in the air, we need to have what they call a plane guard. A ship to go behind us in case someone crashes and they can recover the pilot. So they give the order, Curtis Wilber, go take plane guard off the Kitty Hawk's stern, you know, at such in such a distance. And what normally should have happened is, I'm driving, she's ahead of me and she should have just peeled off the port. It would have been an easy day and she would just slow down and take station behind me. She ended up turning the starboard. And, and she was so close and it happened so quickly that as she turned the starboard, the, the flight deck ahead of me, there's basically an 800 foot shadow zone of seawater that I can't see. Oh, and her bow basically disappeared, right? In that shadow zone, that's how close she was. I'm going 12 knots or so. And, and I, and immediately, of course, I do everything I'm supposed to do. I yell out right hard rudder, all engines head flank to just make me do that. Sound the collision alarm and announce brace for shock. And, and then, and then, you know, this happens when people get in these situations, time just totally slowed down for me. And I remember having all these thoughts. I thought, oh my God, we are going to cut that ship in half. And I just, nothing I can do about it. And that would have been, that would have, it would likely would have sunk. We would have had at least 200 people killed, probably more. All sailors dying very horrible deaths. I mean, fires, sinking. It was just the worst image I've ever seen in my life and mentally. And then I thought, oh my God, we're going to get hit. And, and we're going to probably end up having some, some water come in and damage control necessary, where we call general quarters and I'd call general quarters. And then fires would break out. My sailors might be fighting those fires, actually, and some of our sailors might get killed. All these things flooded my mind before, you know, that one second. And thank God, the ship to the right thing at the right time and shifted a rudder. And she just barely avoided us. Of course, the captain's on the phone with the admiral and every, you know, every big swirl of activity there afterwards. But that, that was, that was the most precarious thing. And there was really nothing I could do. It was just because we were in that close quarters maneuvering in a straight. Yeah. But yeah. Also, I'll, I can tell you is I, I have been blessed in this book. I talk about these times where challenging situations, again, working for Trump. And it worked out. We achieved good. Thankfully, the, the alternative didn't occur. And I just feel like I've had this very gifted life. And that's why I wanted to tell my story. That's beautiful. Well, don't ask questions. Keep, keep riding the way. Well, actually, you're right about that because as we talked about, there, there's some exciting possibilities ahead for us for humanity. And I'm excited to contribute to that. Yeah. Well, I think you are contributing to it. And everybody go by the book holding fast in the heavy seas. And I'm just really honored. Oh, by the way, Victor wrote an endorsement. Oh, Daddy. Oh, cool. I got to tell you, I'm blessed. I have some rad endorsements. Victor wrote one. One of my favorite ocean authors. So as we talk about the oceans in UAP, if anybody, any listeners, viewers like the ocean, they should read any of the books by the, the, the top line endorseors Susan Casey sees this really brilliant writer, New York Times best seller multiple times has a latest book about undersea exploration called the Underworld. She's written a book about, about waves called the wave. She goes and rides a, a jet ski with Laird Hamilton into the lineup at, at payahi, you know, Jaws. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's some good. That's a great book. And, and she has a book about dolphins called Voices in the Ocean. And, and another really cool book. I talked about Noah having national marine sanctuaries or national underwater national parks. She wrote a book about the sanctuary in the Farallon Islands off of San Francisco. And all their history about the great white, sharp population that lives there. Wow. It's called, it's amazing. It's called Devil's Teeth. Devil's Teeth. And she always goes in the field for all of her work. So you know what? Oh, by the way. So her book about the, about exploration of the ocean called the Underworld. And she goes and dives the Mariones trench with Victor. Whoa. Yeah. So shout out to Susan Casey. Susan Casey is, yeah, legend. She is. She's, she's brilliant. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Getting that endorsement was, it's just such an honor for me. That's amazing. Yeah. Can I ask you a, a final question? Yeah. Um, if you were an alien civilization, where would you hide out under the ocean? What principle? Hey, I don't, I don't have to be an alien to want to be in the ocean. I told you that. That was my whole career. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're already into it. Well, in fact, in fact, in fact, that's it. I'm so lucky. Now I, me and my wife dived the world because I'm not in the government anymore. And we have time. Wow. So we just finished diving the blue hole in Belize. Oh, cool. Which is this really cool feature we did it with our, our daughters. And, uh, and we also did, uh, um, iron bottom sound off Guadalcanal. Have you ever heard that? No. Naval history. Okay. Okay. So in 1942, this was a real precarious use that word again, time in World War II when, um, it was the first time after midway, the battle of midway that we went on the offensive and we decided to take a Japanese airfield in the Solomon Islands. And it was on this island called Guadalcanal. It was just obscure area, but it was that kind of that point where we basically we in Japan met halfway. They were advancing. We were going on the offensive and it was the place to take hold of an airfield. And then from there, we launched the island helping campaign that assures victory. So in 1942, there was this place where there was almost a year of continuous naval action ships, sinking ships. And this, there's so many shipwrecks in this little area, uh, off of Guadalcanal. They call it iron bottom sound. Wow. Yeah. And so my wife and I went and dive there. Oh wow. On some of the wrecks there. That was phenomenal. That's incredible. I'm not sure what's next. Oh, I knew we're going to Bermuda. So Bermuda triangle. We're going to dive the Bermuda triangle. Do you think there's something to the Bermuda triangle legends of electromagnetic anomalies and flights going missing? And that's sort of thing. There seem there's there's data. There's evidence of anomalies. Yeah. So let's tie this all together now. Yeah. Undersea bases, possibly, right? We know five to seven locations. Yes. Uh, we have anomalies like at the ranch. Uh, Bermuda triangle. Yeah. Who knows? I'm going to be I'm going to be sailing through it with my family on a cruise ship. That's amazing. And then we're going to dive off from you scuba dives. I'll let you know what we find. Oh, you're going to have a blast. Well, keep with the proper intentions. Amen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, wow, that'll be a lot of fun. And, um, yeah, it's just been an honor. I really appreciate it. Admiral, this has been a long time coming for me. I've followed your work for for many years now in the UAP topic. But obviously you have this illustrious career, you know, behind that where you're adding your credentials to this kind of frontier. And I'd just really grateful for you coming. Hey, I am grateful to be here, Jesse. And I'm just I'm honored and delighted to be a fellow seeker of truth with you. Oh, there you go. Head to americanalchemymerch.com to grab official American Alchemy merch and support the show directly. And while you're there, the cowboy UFO T is a fan favorite. 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