Too Much LSAT: Avoiding Burnout

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And we have Eric Revas who is joining us today. Not only to talk about burnout, but figured I introduced the topic of the podcast right away as well. And to talk about burnout, apparently he knows that least a little bit of what he's talking about because we've all experienced it, but also he has researched a little bit. So we'll get into it. Eric, tell us about yourself. I don't know how long do you study for the LSAT. You don't even have to tell us how long I guess I don't know, give me something on your LSAT journey. That's totally final. First of all, thanks for having me. Long time listeners. So I'm super glad. Is this the way that you're leading us into that we're also sponsored by BetterHelp since it seems like everybody is sponsored by BetterHelp is this how you're leading us into this. Yeah. Yeah. Better help blog. Apparently, apparently. So yeah, I am a live instructor and I teach some courses, but I this is after I got to experience being taught by Henry in Bailey for a while as I studied for the LSAT for three years, which means that between working for seven stage and studying for the LSAT I've almost been with the LSAT as long as my wife. So that's the that's a good crazy which one do you like more? Yeah, the day. It really depends on the day, I suppose. But I'm excited to talk about this here because I think that there's a lot of myths. There's a lot of stuff of what people think about burnout because it's such a new thing. It's not always helpful. So I hope that we can clarify some things to help students out today on this important subject. Yeah, sounds great. Maybe we could just jump into like what is burnout? How do I like like what is it? I don't know. I feel like everyone kind of knows how would you describe it? Yeah, exactly. People literally come into so many classes and they're just like wait, so how do I know if I'm experiencing burnout and like, well, do the words on the page look like alphabet soup to you or do they look regular? Because that's one clue. That's one test. What do you think? Yeah, you know what? I almost will compare burnout to being dehydrated. Like if your body is telling you you're dehydrated and you're thinking am I dehydrated you are dehydrated. Right? Like you don't burn up to if you are having thoughts of am I burnt out? I am always tired. You are burnt out. It is too late. You need to take a step back. I think that's the best way to to kind of think about that. And especially people who are studying for the outside are exactly in the population other than the most susceptible to this. And the reason why it's so it's so new is because this has only been something that we've been heavily researching in the psychology field for less than a hundred years. And especially in the last like 20 or 30. In fact, the person who was really was like the pioneer of this, their family, his family escaped from Nazi Germany and then he won the prize in like 1999. So it's very, very recent. And the group that's like most susceptible to this too. And I hope that we can make this almost like a generalization of like just because you're suffering from like some mental health things does not mean you are weak. And especially for burnout because the population most susceptible to these are highly ambitious committed dedicated individuals as a direct quote from her birthday. And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I literally used to think that was weak like I am definitely the kind of person that tells myself, well, you know, if you can't study for an extra hour today or you can't study seven days a week or whatever it is. And you know, you need to suck it up and pick yourself back up. Yeah, sometimes, but most of the time probably the cases that you need to listen to your body and take a rest. Well, I'd wonder who is who where you're even getting that from too, because you know, you can put it into two domains. Is it an external pressure that you feel like because you've watched it on TV, you've watched the movies, you know, you've seen how many montages of like the people who are killing themselves on TV are the high for like they're the main character. And they are killing themselves right there. That must be what I'm supposed to do. Or is that more internal where you feel like a failure for some reason is that your own personal drive. And that's why I think it's interesting. So what where did you feel the most pressure when you were studying. Did you feel like it was an external thing from parents or society or was it you driving. Well, everybody think about it. But for me, definitely not external. My parents have never been high pressure. It's it's honestly me, I think being raised in that environment and realizing that I wanted a lot more for myself and also just growing up being good at school and then putting that extra pressure myself to always have to be the high performer being smart, you know, people tell me that I'm smart. So I got to live up to it. So yeah, I think a little bit of a mix of both, but in terms of like direct voices coming at me, it's my little voice that I've probably created as a defense mechanism, which I'm glad that we're getting into this like that because I think it's so helpful to just kind of pinpoint the root of why you're talking to yourself like that to be able to break it down and kind of retrain your brain to not have to fall victim to those same thought cycles. So I think what I'm guessing to you, it's like the types of people who take the LSAT are probably the types of people who are pretty susceptible to burn out is what you're probably getting here. Yeah, I think it's exactly and I think you hit the I thought what you said was interesting, which is like you always didn't well in school. Right, the people who are probably going on to take you, whether it's the LSAT or the MCAT, those are the population that I did my studies in for the people who are going on to medical school. There are people who already did well in school. If you didn't like school or you didn't ever do well in school, you don't you wouldn't probably like want to continue on too much. I'm a causation correlation, you know, we can talk about that, but it's saying, but it's more likely that you are. So it's kind of wait all of a sudden, I'm not doing that well. And then you pair that out with that, you know, we're talking to throughout our life too that if we are struggling if we're not doing well, it's our own fault. We are the ones that are not good enough. And I think that one of the things that a lot of therapists will tell you that they're looking out for when they're looking out for burnout. By the way, it is worth putting the disclaimer here that like none of us are mental health professionals, at least as far as we are aware, if you are experiencing this, please go talk to somebody who's trained. But it's the semantic difference between guilt and shame. Right, because guilt is saying I made a mistake. It's a temporary thing. I didn't get as good of a score on this practice test as I wanted to right that I made a mistake versus I am a mistake. Because one of those is a short term. I, you know, you making you can make the inference that that is not an usual thing. If you say something I am a mistake, that is an ongoing, chronic thing that is going to be exhausting in the long run. So this is good. I, that's so helpful. Sorry, it's bringing up something that I actually, it relates to the LSAT. So I'll bring it in that I worked through in therapy last year where I was just feeling like everything I did wrong was all of a sudden I am a bad person, very similar situation, not I made a mistake, I am a mistake. And something that really helped me was my therapist was like, well, I mean, it's just like one part of you who's looking out for you in a certain way, you know, it didn't work out like definitely not going to be a helpful thing to do. But it's just one part of you and I feel like I kind of, you know, had this aha moment where I was like, wait, that's like the LSAT part the whole, you can just assume what's true about the heart is part is true about the whole. And I just assume that your performance on one individual question that probably wasn't up to your liking or one test or whatever it is is actually anything about your, you know, ceiling from proven on this test or who you are as an LSAT taker. So it's what I'm here like this type of thinking is like that can lead you down the path of burnout to you. Like maybe you're already susceptible to burnout, but if you're thinking in your more of a shame mindset, that's the type of thing that can lead to burnout. Because I mean, you're obviously gonna get questions wrong on this test, almost everyone does. And so each one of those is like, you internalize that as like, oh, this is me doing something wrong, or not you doing something wrong, I am bad and that's why it went wrong. That's the kind of thing that can lead you to a place where you're burning out. Is that what I'm hearing or? - Yeah, that's a great way. That's a great way to put it. And on top of that, there's kind of like three things to really look out for that are kind of the signs of like, I might not be in a good place. Like I might be down the path, I think it's like the path to burn. Right, which would be like emotional exhaustion, just absolutely just being done. And I think like Bailey, I'm saying like, I'm saying it as alphabet soup, it could present as that, or it could present in a way of just like, okay, I'm suddenly feeling like I'm more tired than usual. Depersonalization, which is just kind of feeling like you're not present at any point. You know, it's just constantly like, I am eating but I'm not tasting the food in a way. Right? - I am still choosing to do another LSAT question, but. - Yeah. - Exactly. And then a decrease sense of accomplishment. You know, you get your first 170, let's say, because you've been listening to this podcast and you're learning so much and you get a 170, you're kind of like, well, I don't have a 180. You know, you're almost-- - Or people right off high scores is a fluke. Sorry, keep going. - No, no, that's, that's even about you. - I got lucky. Yeah, it's like, no, you didn't get lucky. You were doing something different. You were getting better at this test. Let's pinpoint exactly what you did, strategy wise and replicate that. - Is the residue of design, as they say? - Oh, I think we've all had students like that. Just kind of like, you got it, they get a five-star question right and you can use, tell them in class like, hey, good job, you got a five-star question right. And they're just like, oh, it's good, I guess. - I'm like, well, did you really fully, I mean, if you fully guess cool props, let's do it again, but less guessing. But you probably don't actually fully guess. Is it right? - I think you had some sort of reasoning to get you to. - Calculated guess, you know? The, there's something that was triggered in deep inside of you that you knew, or maybe not knew, but said that answer was just right. Maybe, I guess, 'cause I've been really been talking to about like, the things that can lead to burnout, whether it's the things you tell yourself or in the signs that you are burned up. And we'd be open to the sharing a little bit about, like maybe I've correctly identified and burned out, what are some things I could do to maybe get me to a place where I'm no longer burned out? I don't know, what's, what does it mean to be not burned out anymore? I guess unburnt. - How do we manage it? - Unbaked. - That is the million dollar question, right? And people have made money on that question of, you have to be kind of careful of who you listening to. But I think that the most important thing is really setting up boundaries, right? We talked about some of the most important things that changed how humans behave. And it's kind of like finding caffeine, finding lights, like the, like, and it's because, and then like we add that to cell phones. Now we're suddenly, we can be turned on all day, right? It is, I can receive emails from my boss at any point in the day. My kids can call me at any point during the day, right? Anything like that. It's setting up a boundary though, which sounds like easier, like it's easier said than done, but it's establishing one of these chronic stressors that are in my life, that are kind of the external versus internal. And how do I make it so that I put myself in a situation where it is not selfish to do something for you, right? Like we, I think a lot of us, especially in the young generation, and it is mostly women as well who are like, predominantly susceptible to burnout syndromes because of what is called like human giver syndrome, which is we're taught that we should sacrifice our own well-being for the betterment of others. I should wake up early to make my spouse lunch. I should, you know, I should sacrifice, I should stay late because that's how I get promoted. I am not gonna sleep so that I can stay up late so that maybe a year from now the boss will choose me for a promotion. Well, great, but if you pair that with a decrease sense of accomplishment, let's say that that works. A year from now when you get that promotion, are you even going to enjoy it? Or are you gonna be so burnt out by that point? That you're kind of like whatever, right? And I think so it's boundaries and it's also understanding that you need to take care of yourself, which I think we can talk to like how to do that with the Elsa. Like how would you recommend people take care of themselves in terms of Elsa studying? How do you set up boundaries maybe? Yeah, play with them. No, I'm asking you. No, he's asking you. Oh, how do I, how do I, how do I set up boundaries? I'm trying to hear Henry's answer on this. I'm trying to say, I mean, like really, I mean, when I go back to my own burnout experience and where I, I kind of knew I was a little bit burned out right before I was taking the test and I kept on studying. I mean, I'm just speaking to boundaries. I think I definitely could have drawn a bit of a line and be like, maybe I should stop studying as much. It's not very helpful. I mean, I don't know if I really viewed that as like a boundary to set at the time. And I don't even have afterwards I viewed it as it, probably it was a boundary when I was studying in between my first test and you know, my second test where I did pretty well, I did decently, I'm both of them, but it was closer to where I really wanted to be on my second test. I definitely like said, like I'm only going to study for like an hour a day. I wasn't super firm on that, but I was like, yeah, I'll do like a section I'll look at the problems, maybe do a couple of problems, then I'll just be done. And I was, I had a lot more juice in me, I guess you could say. I was a lot more energy for in me to do those problems. So I guess that was like a boundary I would set for myself. That sounds like a boundary. I really, that sounds like a boundary. Yeah, that sounds really good. Yeah, I was going to say that I have so many people coming to the class being like, okay, so I've heard that you need to treat LSAT studying like a full time job, 40 hours a week type of vibe. Let's do a nine to five and just, you know, call it a day after that. I'm like, have you guys tried that? Because it's, it's crazy. Like, I mean, if you're literally just sitting there going through the core curriculum lessons, for example, on seven stage, they're great. But eight hours straight of that is really going to lead to diminishing returns after a certain point. And honestly, we usually cap that point at like two to four hours, depending on what else you have to juggle in life. And maybe also what else you're doing with your study day. We do generally recommend that you're kind of peppering in some live classes or just group studying something that's not just me staring at a computer screen, chugging through questions, chugging through lessons on my own. Just because, yeah, like even on a daily scale, you can get burnt out trying to put in 68 hours a day, especially if you try to do that every day, every week without a day off, like, throw a day off in there. Plenty of different pieces of advice that we can get for just limiting the amount of hours per day or also limiting the amount of days per week. Consistency is going to be helpful, but like, it's going to be so much better to be consistent one hour a day, maybe a day off on Fridays for a week versus trying to force yourself to do eight hours one day, feeling so tired, you can't get yourself to do it the next day, so you don't study at all. Maybe you let that happen for another day and then you come back and try to do another eight hour day on Thursday. It's like, let's just do an hour a day. It's going to be so much better. Those both sound really, really good. I think for me, I experienced a lot of burnout during my, you know, three years. It's a long time to be studying for this test. Right. I found one of the best things for me was removing myself from certain communities and trying to open up the bubble. Because I think that that's back in happen, especially when, you know, because, you know, I'm sure everybody's listening to the podcast is just on the live sessions nonstop every day. And there it can be, you know, if you're hearing the same thing, it kind of turns into like an echo chamber. So what I did was like, I removed myself from RL set. I know. Wow. I just wanted to, you know, read it. We talked about that on a previous podcast. Exactly. Yeah. I think it's so helpful to set yourself boundaries of like doom scrolling on Reddit, not helpful. For sure. And then just like talking to somebody who's not in the bubble, like tell them about this and that could be a professional, like counselor or that could be just somebody that you know. Right. Because like, I think it's easier to think about it in terms of like physical things. So let's say that we have the three of us, we make an Oreo taste testing community. Oreo is just like going to sponsor us now. And they're going to send us like, we're going to taste test new Oreos. We need to eat a pack of Oreos every single day. Okay. And we just created that now that is suddenly our thing. So every single day we are eating Oreos and suddenly we're not feeling very well. But we've already made it our thing of our group. It's now weird if we're not eating a pack of Oreos a day. To us, it's completely normal all of a sudden. But then we open that up to somebody else and we're like, you know, I'm feeling really good bad, but I don't know because it seems like, you know, Henry and Bailey are doing fine, but I'm having a stomachache constantly. Right. Right. And they're just like, whoa, it's because you're eating a pack of Oreos a day. That's not like a like a healthy thing. It's escaping that bubble. So do the same thing with Elsa. If this is like, is it really healthy? If your friend tells you I am going to work for eight hours a day and then coming home and studying the outside for eight hours a day, what would you tell that? Right. You would probably be like, whoa, but maybe in the else. I think only an hour is normal. Yeah. Exactly. That would be my suggestion as well. That's a very good point. Making your life not just the LSAT, right? And so not only so they can recognize or you have another person there to recognize when maybe you're just like only studying the LSAT. But then also just so your life isn't just the LSAT too, right? You have a fulfilling life outside of it too. I think that makes a lot of sense. I guess you'd also have to be receptive to that kind of that kind of. commentary from someone outside the bubble too. And so just recognizing too if they're like, oh, you seem like you're studying too much. Maybe they're right. I don't know. I think it's really easy to sometimes talk to a lay person and that like, oh, you're doing too much and they say, like, oh, well, I don't know. They're saying, oh, you're studying too much. You're like, oh, you're studying. I'm saying for that. But yeah, well, I don't know. Like a laborator. They're like, I don't know how to describe a non-L set taker. Right? And they're like, oh, you guys just don't understand. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. 100 bits like you're not, I don't know, like and and then you say, oh, they don't really understand. But they don't get it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they are muggles. The, uh, no, I was about to say Simp, but that's not the right term. Like Simpleton. I don't know. The non- We have like, we have like, DelSat and Doctrine. Yeah, whatever. You know, you know, you don't have the LSATs, whatever, you know, there's exactly. Get out of the bubble. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, so she is. You guys remember Pony Boy or so the so she's now what? The outsiders, you know, outsiders that that book. I've heard of it. Stagel, you've heard of the outside. You haven't heard what? You guys have, if you read the outside, I couldn't even tell you to be on that. I'm like, heard of it. Anyways, there's a group that there's two different groups. One of the groups is called the so she is, but it's SOC. Yes. And so I was called them the socks in my head, but they're a pronounciation, whatever. Yes, it's very silly. Yes. Yes. The gui. Another deep cut. Anyways, though. Yeah. Stagel, you and away from that is just that. I think what I'm here, you say is like also, you got to just be receptive to that kind of like that observation too. Maybe you really are studying too much. Yeah. Makes makes a lot of sense. Yeah, because ultimately the end goal, everybody is kind of this the same of like I want to go to law school, right? If like that is, we have to remember that that's our goal. But the timeline is going to be different for everybody. If somebody doesn't have a full-time job, then maybe they can devote like we were we were just talking about that like doing full-time studying is a lot like you say it sounds good, but you know, theoretically sure, you could maybe study full-time. If you have a full-time job and then and you also have kids, take care of when you get home from that full-time job, your timeline is just not going to look the same. That is not your weakness. That is not maybe you less of a person and it doesn't, it is certainly not going to make you less of a lawyer. Right? Yeah, that's true. Again, acknowledging that's not a weakness just because you can't put in as much time as everybody else, you can still get there. Right. And I think it all just comes back to like we really just want quality studying over quantity. X amount of questions is not going to get you X score. What does get you to the 160s, the 170s or whatever you're looking for is mastery of the material. Doing a set amount of question or it doesn't have to be the same amount every day. I never did that, but I don't know. I'm doing some amount of things every day consistently for a week is going to start the ball rolling. You keep doing that for months. First of all, like you're going to be helping yourself because you're not running out of questions. Like you're not burning through material as quickly. I think a lot of people come in to these classes right when they first start studying and they're like, "Ah, I've heard that you could run out of prep tasks. How do I make sure that I don't run out?" And I'm like, "Well, don't burn through that many questions every day. You don't need to be studying for eight hours a day, especially after you realize that after the four-hour mark, it turns into alphabet soup. Cool. Take a break. Keep those questions as non-alphabet soup. Don't make that alphabet soup, if that makes sense." Definitely. That does make sense. Once you guys got into a routine, how many days a week did you study? Did you end up study? I honestly don't remember. I think I tried to give myself Fridays off, but yeah, I would try to keep my PT days on Saturday. Try to put in, honestly, for me, it was about two to four hours a day. What'd you do, Henry? Did you do every day with your one-hour day? I like studying. Like, I like studying. I thought it was an interesting test. So, I did it a little bit every day. I think I did more early on. I would do two and a half hours every day in the more learning or three hours every day when I was learning the test. Then I had a whole PT phase where I was just doing PT's. Then I burned out after that. Yeah, exactly. I think I did every day when I was doing an hour a day, though, because I like doing an hour a day. I was like an hour is nothing. That's one session. That's reasonable to do it every day. We always just encourage one rest day a week at the very least is good. If you realize you're really getting into deep in your burnout, how do you pull yourself out of it faster? Sometimes I've had students that just take a week off from LSAT studying. Not the smartest thing to do if you're taking the test in a few weeks, but take a week off now while you're still trying to improve. They come back to it with this fresh mindset. They're not as stressed about getting every question right. They're just reminding themselves the steps that they have to go through to get the right answers. You get so much better. I've had students that come back and get a 5-10 point PT up-shoot after a little bit of a week off. And it's not like anything fancy happened during that week except for their mind was able to rest. I would even say like the good thing, you definitely don't want to take a, and I definitely don't, but taking a week off might not be the most preferable thing. The good news is that I do think it comes back quicker. Like, did you take a long break, Eric, during your studying career or not a long break, but did you take a week-long or too long week-long break? I definitely had a month off during that time where I was just like, I cannot even look at this test right now. I'm getting one-stars consistently wrong. One of those things where it's like mush. Yeah. I bring it as mush. When you came back, did you find that like, even, I'm obviously maybe the first couple days were a little bit rough, but did it come back quicker or did you have to relearn? No, I say it came back. It's almost similar at least, so I'm told. I don't really go to the gym, good thing this is an audio podcast, because then I don't embarrass myself on a video format. But you don't want to wait-lift every single day on the exact same muscle because you actually need time for it to rebuild, right? It's the same thing. Like, allow your brain to open the connections, the neural connections here. If you're just doing it non-stop every single day, you're not giving your brain. Oh no. Is this video format? Yeah, I was going to say I hate to break it to you, I don't know why we didn't tell you that before. You're good, though. I think it's clear. It's on YouTube. That's good. There's not too many viewers on YouTube unless we spike them up for this podcast. Oh, go ahead. Yes. Yes. Go to YouTube. See, I'm a Spotify person. It wasn't- We got to put it on- It wasn't for you. No, it was a newer thing. You wouldn't have known. It's funny. But yeah, so no, exactly. It's just like, people talk about like it's like riding a bike. You take some time off. I think it depends also where you're at and you're studying when you take that time off a month off a month into studying. It's probably going to make it a lot harder to get started again, but a month off years into studying. Please take it if you need it. Like, I don't see anything wrong with that, especially from a situation like this. All right. So in order to wrap this up before I got to run, I think the last thing we're going to talk about is just like, what do we do if you do end up starting to hate the test? Like, how do you get yourself to not hate the test? Does it matter if you hate the test? I don't know. Henry, you were saying that you found it interesting for most parts. I found it pretty interesting, but I definitely went through phases where I was like wanting to rip my hair out and just so mad at the test makers. What are our thoughts? What do we do to not hate the test? Or does it matter? I'm just like getting things right. I mean, and learning how to get things right, to be honest. I mean, like, I don't know. I'm thinking about a particular problem that would improve my, how I would do. I guess you could say on the test. And so I came at it more. Like, I just want to learn to get problems right. And I did want to score, but I mean, I don't want to say it was incidental, but it was it was mostly like, I don't know. This is a challenge that can be can be done. If I was, if something wasn't connecting, I just told myself like, it's not like, I'm incapable. It's just that I need to figure out exactly. There's some pattern I'm missing or some theory. I don't know. That's that's how I didn't hate the test. Did you ever you did not like, you, you rekindled your love for the, the else that after that month long break? Yeah. I think that for me, it was during that month is I think the important thing was just like redefining what I met from success, like how I thought about it. Where like, I did kind of hate the test. I still kind of do. But it's almost in a, in a way where it's like, they are trying to impede my goals. Right. Just like a lawyer will someday, I will have an opposition. Like, it's going to happen. And so now instead, I'm actually using that to be like, all right, whatever I'm reading, whatever stimulus I'm reading, they're against me. I'm going to try to spot that. And by actually like, I reorientate over the on that like idea, it made me more able to focus in on each individual stimulus of what I'm going to beat them at their own game. They are trying to stop me. Success is not letting them do that. Whether that takes me another couple months or another year, I am going to beat them. And so I almost kind of did it that way. How about you, Billy? That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, I think to some extent I realized is like, well, whatever, it's just going to keep being a test that I'm going to take, regardless of me hating it or loving it. So I got to find some way to just get myself to keep studying, which for me was a little bit of then retraining my brain to be like, well, wait, this test is so frustrating, but it can also be one of the most satisfying things once you figure out how to put those things together. And so just focusing less on like every time that I got knocked down, it was the end of the world. It really didn't feel like that for me for a while and I hated the test. And then to realizing like, well, you know what, it is really, really nice. It feels so good to get these questions right. Let's figure out the tools that are going to get me closer to that feeling if we're going to do it based on feelings. But yeah, regardless at the end of the day, you're taking the test. You figure out some way to, I don't know, a couple of mental placebo and all of a sudden love the test. Great. More power to you. If you can't get yourself to that that day, it's okay. Consistency above all else. Give yourself some rest time when you need data. So we wrap it up. You want to take a stop here, Bailey? Well, it's going to say, do you know all the things to say? Like, subscribe, turn on the notifications, comment. If you guys keep commenting different questions that you want answered on the podcast, whichever ones that we choose to answer on the actual podcast will be rewarded with a free month of life, live class subscription. And yeah, I think that's all that we have for you. Thank you for tuning in. Thanks for coming on more, more Eric in the future. Yes, and beyond. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure to talk to you both about this. Amazing. Have a good day. Bye guys. Bye.