‘Too human: Shame, horror, aversion’ by Kevin Hart
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In this ABR podcast episode, Kevin Hart reviews Benjamin Saltsman's *Turning Away: The Poetics of an Ancient Gesture*. Saltsman explores the human instinct to avert one's gaze when confronted with death, grief, helplessness, loss, and pain, tracing this gesture from classical literature and ancient art to modern films and narratives. Hart highlights key examples: Euripides' Agamemnon covering his face as his daughter is sacrificed, Leontius in Plato's *Republic* who both shuts his eyes and looks back at corpses, Augustine's conversion, the crucifixion's darkness, and Eve's backward glance at Eden. Each scene illustrates different aspects of aversion—evasion, ambivalence, sight, blindness, and retroversion. Saltsman shows that turning away never fully eliminates the thing seen and often mixes horror with shame. The book is not only a study of aversion but of transformation, as the gesture is reworked across time. Hart applies this lens to modern works like William Cooper's poem, Vasily Grossmann's *Life and Fate*, and Cormac McCarthy's *Blood Meridian*, where readers themselves turn away from unbearable pain. Yet, Hart concludes, in a world of violence and grief, we are not allowed to turn our heads away—we must face these realities, however difficult.
Welcome to the ABR podcast, with some of Australian book reviews contributors, discuss major issues, or read their reviews and creative writing. My name is Karissa Chai and I'm the Peter Rose Editorial Cadet at ABR. If you enjoy these podcasts, think about subscribing to the magazine. You can do so for as little as $6 a month for a digital subscription or $10 a month for print plus digital. This week on the ABR podcast, Kevin Hart reviews "Turning Away" the poetics of an ancient gesture by Benjamin Saltsman. Saltsman examines our instinct to turn away whenever we are faced with death, grief, helplessness, loss and pain. He traces the representation of this elemental human gesture from literary classics and ancient artwork to modern films, plays and narratives. Hart notes that Saltsman's book is a study not only of a version, but of transformation, but what is the ethical implication of turning away in a world of violence, pain and grief? This is more than flinching heart-rights. It is a reaction of horror mixed with shame. Kevin Hart is the Joel Wright University Distinguished Professor at Duke Divinity School. Here is Kevin Hart with two human, shame, horror, a version, published in the May issue of ABR. Hi, my name is Kevin Hart. I teach at Duke University in the United States. And my most recent books of carne which came out last year in 2025 with cascade press and firefly which just came out with pit street poetry in Sydney. I'm talking today about Ben Saltsman's really interesting book, Turning Away, The Poetics of an Ancient Gesture which has just come out from Chicago University Press. The Swedish poet Thomas Trunze Terürmer tells us in his remarkable poem The Bookcase that he obtained a set of books shows on a dead woman's apartment and filled it with books. In that ordinary gesture he let in the dark world. Something came from underneath he says, rose slowly and inexorably like a massive column of mercury. And he adds, "One was not allowed to turn one's head away." But yet we do turn away whenever we are faced with death, grief, helplessness, loss and pain. How many times can a man turn his head, Bob Dylan sings, pretending he just doesn't see. Holden also reminds us just as memorably that the old masters understood human suffering perfectly well. He points us to Brugel's painting, Landscape with the Fall of Icarus as an example, observing how everything turns away quite leisurely from the disaster. The young boy who had been flying high in the sky and whose wings fell apart when the wax holding them together melted, falls into the green water and drowns. Yet everyone nearby has a job to do. The plowman carries on making his furrow, the sun goes on shining and the ship continues on its course. No one lifts a finger to help for Icarus. In turning away Benjamin Sultzman examines this human or two human gesture as it's been represented from the classical world to modern times. To begin by considering Euripides Agamemnon as he covers his face when his daughter, if a junior, is taken away to be sacrificed so that the Greeks can advance to Troy. Then we study Leontius in Plato's Republic who shuts his eyes so as not to see the corpses of executed men, only to look back at them. This is followed by the famous scene of Augustine in a millenies garden who also turns away, bearing his face in his hands in his moment of religious crisis. We confront the crucifixion of Jesus and note how figures in the tabloh, including the sun, were coiled from its horror. And then we return to the primal scene of the Western imagination, with Adam and Eve cast out of the garden of Eden, Eve hiding her face as she glances one last time at what they have lost. Each scene coheres around a conceptual problem. Agamemnon's evasion of the sight of his daughter, which is carried away to be killed, so he believes, introduces us to the theme of the averted gaze. We encounter ambivalence in Leontius, who once wishes not to see the corpses, but simply cannot help himself. With Augustine's conversion we touch on the sense of sight, which most surely embodies aversion, and not the sense of hearing, for example. Darkness is the theme of the crucifixion. Human blindness brings about the death of Christ. The song goes dark and grief covers all. Finally, we ponder retroversion, when Eve looks back at the paradise she's lost. Throughout Sultzman follows the gesture of turning aside, allowing the effective states associated with it to appear in their own ways. The analyses are varied, rich, and compelling. Most of the discussion revolves around visual images, paintings and photographs, passing seamlessly from higher to popular culture, although literary works have their place as well. Sultzman shows himself to be a highly effective close reader of Greek and Latin, his examinations of Plato and Augustine. His attention to aversion is just as persuasive. He sees how turning away never fully eliminates the thing seen, and he's finally aware that when we look away, it's not always easy to distinguish grief from the performance of grief, and that the gesture of aversion joins together shame and horror in a disturbing manner. We turn away and horror, and we feel shame because of what we've seen. We might say that the ancient world gave us true phenomena that have long existed as phased counterparts. There is contemplation, the calm beholding of a situation or a scene, in which the spectator is entirely free in what he or she sees. One is reminded of Socrates teaching the young men of Athens to separate themselves from the world of the senses and to view the forms as clearly as they can. Also, there is fascination, the Roman fascinus, a phallic amulet worn by men, women and children toward off the evil eye. If one looked at the amulet, one would not be gazing at the beautiful face, and one's envious look would therefore be deflected. Where contemplation is free, fascination is bound. You cannot take your eyes away from what you see. When writing his book, Salzmann has slipped between contemplation and fascination, in order to see how a version is culturally composed as a gesture. What appears in classical times gets reworked in medieval times, varied in the early modern age, and comes back changed in unforeseen ways in our own day. So turning away is a study not only of a version, but of transformation. Each of these ancient and medieval scenes is like a rock tossed into a pool of water, disturbing its surface, Salzmann writes. They cause waves. Later he adds, "As these waves act upon one another, they not only connect across distances, but also change their direction in complex and unpredictable ways." In turning away, Salzmann has provided a template for reading many visual image, poem, play, film, and narrative. He shows not only how the gesture of a version takes place in literary works, but also how readers turn away from scenes while just getting sight of them. I think of William Cooper's poem lines written during the period of insanity, which bears an anguish that's insupportable to author and reader alike, but which, once read, sticks in the mind like a thorn. I think of Vasily Grossmann's novel Life and Fate, especially of the scene in which a group of Jews is gassed in the extermination camp. And I think also of Kormac McCarthy's blood meridian, will its stark depiction of the Glanton gang perpetrating brutal violence on the borderlands of Mexico and Texas. One aspect of reading each literary work is turning away from the unbearable pain it presents. This is more than flinching. One is ashamed in part of being of the same species as those who gas the Jews and those who sculpt people for ready money. And one is also ashamed oneself for witnessing, however briefly, the dreadful images that the novels convey so vividly. Yet even as one recoils, one knows full well that these things must be faced. You and I live in a world of violence, pain and grief, and we are not allowed to turn our heads away.
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Key Points:
Benjamin Saltsman's *Turning Away* examines the ancient gesture of aversion—turning away from death, grief, and pain—across literature, art, and film from classical to modern times.
Key examples analyzed include Agamemnon covering his face, Leontius in Plato's *Republic*, Augustine's conversion, the crucifixion, and Adam and Eve's expulsion from Eden.
The book explores the ethical implications of aversion, showing it involves a mix of horror and shame, and never fully erases the thing seen.
Saltsman traces how the gesture transforms across cultures and eras, using it as a template to understand how readers and viewers also turn away from unbearable pain in works like Cooper's poem, Grossmann's *Life and Fate*, and McCarthy's *Blood Meridian*.
Kevin Hart praises the book's close readings and notes that in a world of violence, we are not allowed to turn our heads away, despite the instinct to do so.
Summary:
In this ABR podcast episode, Kevin Hart reviews Benjamin Saltsman's *Turning Away: The Poetics of an Ancient Gesture*. Saltsman explores the human instinct to avert one's gaze when confronted with death, grief, helplessness, loss, and pain, tracing this gesture from classical literature and ancient art to modern films and narratives. Hart highlights key examples: Euripides' Agamemnon covering his face as his daughter is sacrificed, Leontius in Plato's *Republic* who both shuts his eyes and looks back at corpses, Augustine's conversion, the crucifixion's darkness, and Eve's backward glance at Eden.
Each scene illustrates different aspects of aversion—evasion, ambivalence, sight, blindness, and retroversion. Saltsman shows that turning away never fully eliminates the thing seen and often mixes horror with shame. The book is not only a study of aversion but of transformation, as the gesture is reworked across time.
Hart applies this lens to modern works like William Cooper's poem, Vasily Grossmann's *Life and Fate*, and Cormac McCarthy's *Blood Meridian*, where readers themselves turn away from unbearable pain. Yet, Hart concludes, in a world of violence and grief, we are not allowed to turn our heads away—we must face these realities, however difficult.
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The book examines the human gesture of turning away when faced with death, grief, helplessness, loss, and pain, tracing its representation from classical literature and ancient artwork to modern films, plays, and narratives.
Kevin Hart, the Joel Wright University Distinguished Professor at Duke Divinity School, reviews the book.
Hart mentions Euripides' Agamemnon covering his face, Plato's Leontius shutting his eyes, Augustine's conversion, the crucifixion of Jesus, Eve looking back at Eden, and Bruegel's painting 'Landscape with the Fall of Icarus'.
He notes that turning away is a reaction of horror mixed with shame, especially in a world of violence, pain, and grief, and that one must face these things despite the urge to look away.
Saltsman shows how the gesture of aversion is culturally composed and transformed over time, with classical scenes causing waves that change direction in complex ways in later eras.
Contemplation is free and calm beholding, while fascination is bound, where one cannot take their eyes away. Saltsman's book slips between these to analyze how aversion is culturally shaped.
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