Tony Robbins on Overcoming Job Loss, Purposelessness & The Coming AI Disruption | 222

People ask me all the time how you fight certainty for people when the external world no longer offers certainty There is no external certainty. So when those jobs are disrupted What will people hang on to the answer is one of the most famous people on the planet Tony Robbins the great Tony Robbins is here my man There's nothing that people want that they can't make happen if they really want a heart and soul that they want to do something about it This kind of change hitting society isn't just a threat about unemployment It's it's a threat about a nervous system shock AI is the call new technology is the call for us to become more again to move from survival to spirit to move from Settling to something greater AI is is going to create this rate of change That is just beyond belief and it doesn't correlate with happiness Necessarily it needs to be turned into happiness Tony You've been coaching millions of people over decades, right after kind of looking back over that time Are you more optimistic about the world or less? Here's what I think about optimism. I think Now that's a moonshot ladies and gentlemen Everybody welcome to moonshots. I'm here today with a dear friend the world's number one life and business coach Tony Robbins He's coached more than a hundred million people across a hundred and ninety five countries Beyond his coaching. He's the owner of in more than a hundred and fourteen companies with twelve billion dollars in business He is an investor in private equity across eighty private equity companies with eleven billion dollars AUM He's advised presidents fortune 500 CEOs global leaders on leadership and human potential Personally, Tony is one of my best friends. We've co-authored a number one in your time selling book We've co-founded two companies found life and life force and in my opinion He is one of the greatest humanitarian on the planet alive today Tony welcome pal Thanks, buddy. It's great to be with you. Yeah, for sure. You know, I remember a decade ago We started a conversation and we started too early, but a conversation about what we saw as the age of coming technological socialism Where technology not the government, but technology was start to take care of individuals and the implications that that might have on our psychology on our sense of safety on how we motivate ourselves and As you know, I did a podcast recently with with Elon and in during that conversation He said a few things that I wanted my first person wanted to speak to about this was you You know, he said literally that he expects in the next three to five years that AI and robotics would fundamentally Displace all human labor and I think the time frame that folks have been talking about in the media in government across the board It's been more of a 20-year adaptation cycle of how long that would take and humans are amazingly adaptable But I don't think at that speed. I think you know This kind of change hitting society isn't just a threat about unemployment. It's it's a threat about a nervous system shock Yeah, so let's let's start there. How do you you know, how do you respond to that? What are your concerns? Well, when the environment changes faster than our ability to adapt people panic when people panic They have a variety of emotion reactions including anger and rage and Sometimes violence and if you look at the history of change I can go back all the way to Luddites You know if you remember studying your history in the 1800s in England and the Great East machines that displaced about 70% of the jobs And what do people do? They they rioted, you know? You had thousands of people you had them attacking with hammers to destroy these machines You had them blowing up facilities, you know factories. We had factory people owners being shot and being threatened to be killed You had factory owners putting people out there shooting people The government in England passed the law in the first year of this kind of five-year cycle basically Saying that if you destroyed a machine it was capital punishment Mm-hmm. They hung 24 people publicly to try to stop this they put out 12,000 people to fight them This is doing same with the use from the Napoleon Wars So it is there's no guarantee of this being a smooth transition Now I'm not a reactionary person and when you hear three to five years it gets your attention And you know, he runs one of the smartest people alive and people can argue about the timeline But Ray Kurzweil a mutual friend of both of ours, you know, he's been talking about you know, 2029 for probably 20 years And he's been the most accurate forecaster I know you know if you go to you know, Hinton who's you know the founder of AI himself He has a longer version. He goes 20 30 20 40 so I'd say three to 10 years is my guess But you know, I don't think all business will be gone or changed at that time period But the question really is you know, how do you provide certainty for people right and people ask me all the time How do you provide certainty for people when the external world no longer offers certainty and I would argue that You don't have to deal with it at all because it's already true What I mean is there is no external certainty in an external certainty is a total illusion You have remitted certainty because you have a certain business or you have a certain category of a certain income You have certain relationships, but you know a covet for example instantly changed all of that overnight for people You you walk across street and get hit by a car and you know You can't walk for six months or forever. Things like this are always been a part of our lives So I think it's really Dispelting the illusion of certainty and finding people and the ability to get that internal certainty look Neuroscience is teaching us that same as AI our brains are predictive machines It's constantly trying to predict what's going to happen and close the gap between what it predicts and what reality is and when it doesn't match up That's when that craziness that anger that fear shows up So it's going to show up on a large scale and our job I think is leaders is to anticipate that to look at history Because it's not just the lute it you can say 15 years later that happened with a thrashers Another machine that was used, you know to get rid of wheat and they have the same reaction 15 years later and then 1930s 30 13132 communism came and people had to be put down Governments in the past have overreacted to this to try to stop it. It's been a very difficult stage So if we're going to make the transition I think we have to anticipate what's coming and I remember I talked to President Obama about this ten years ago and I right into his office and I was saying what are you going to do because I give the Example I said you know you inherited an economy where you know eight million jobs disappeared right in 2008 and the World economy was smashed up. Well, I said look at this. These self-driving cars. They're going to be around at least Sometime in the next 10 to 15 years and they're going to displace truck drivers And they're going to displace you know anybody that's driving at Uber who's going to hire a truck driver that you have can work 8 hours a day Maximum they cost a lot of money for the health insurance. It's always going up. They complain when you're gonna have You know a truck that drives 24 hours a day probably cheaper insurance doesn't make the mistakes Don't have to pay the health care and you can depreciate the asset. So I said if you just take that category alone those truck drivers Uber drivers taxi drivers. That's 8 million jobs and I said so what are you guys doing you know at the governmental level 10 Listen to me to retool people. I'll never get he said he goes Tony. It's not going to happen that fast And I said well with all due respect with President if you if you look at history we could say 150 years ago 80% of us were farmers now it's 3% we feed the world no one thought of a new job called being a web master or these days You know do something different like AI master whatever the case may be those jobs won't even thought of so I know there'll be new jobs But that was a hundred and fifty year shift the speed of this is the challenge Yeah, and he said Tony all the people were talking to you. It's just not going to happen that fast And I'm thinking about it just the other day because it's just 10 years ago and you and I well know between Waymo and obviously Elon it's happening in cities all across the world. It's not the standard yet But will it be sometime soon the answer is yes So when those jobs are disrupted what will people hang on to the answer is we have to give them two things first Help them develop an identity as a creator Here's what I mean by that Most people that you talk to in daily life are stressed. It is the number. I'm so stressed or so much I know I'm so stressed about so stressed about that so much about mental health these days Are you really going to tell me that life is more stressful today than when you know You had a fight for your food with a tiger. I mean it's absurd or during the middle ages where you know You might catch something where but you know entire community went down But we think it's more stressful because we're managers today. We try to manage so much We were not made to manage our circumstances. We're made to create when you're managing circumstances You don't feel any sense of agency You don't feel like you're in charge and most human stress comes from the fact that you feel Events are controlling you versus you're controlling events. So think about it Something created us you can call it God you called the universe you can call it whatever you want to call it But we are created by something and we're given the ability to create When you become a creator of life on your terms It doesn't matter what changes in the outside world now. There's one other piece You might say practically like what skills with somebody need to be able to do well because I've been thinking and I've got just like you I've got kids. I've got five kids and five grandkids now. I have a you know 52-year-old daughter and thanks to COVID. I have a four-year-old daughter It was good to me, but I think about my grandkids and my younger kids and I say man You know 80% 50% 30% you know, depending which studies you read of traditional jobs are gonna disappear And you want saying all of them but no, but I slice it the world's gonna change radically. How do I arm them? Right not just with money or resources. I don't arm them to have self-esteem to know they can play the game and the answer is Developing an identity that says I'm the kind of person that always finds the way I'm the person that can find meaning anything and empowering meaning I know how to use my body to produce certainty not try to get it from the outside world, which is an illusion I have an identity. I'm the person that makes it happen If you think about like Lance Armstrong's identity of like I'm the guy that always finds the way to victory Well, we've told he had cancer in his lungs in his brain and in his testicles most people'd say I'm out He's like I'm gonna find me answer. He did now the same belief system of identity Made him use drugs to compete that kind of hurt his career in his identity in some way, but Identity is what controls it. Then there's the skill now finish with this There's three skills. I teach every one of my kids anybody. I'm in business with anybody a relationship with Teenie loose a master if you master these three skills It doesn't matter what happens with AI doesn't matter You'll still be a part of it wins because in the end you're not getting replaced by AI You're gonna be replaced by someone else at a use AI and here's the bottom line pattern one the skill number one is Pattern recognition You're a genius at this you and I've been friends for decades. I'm not blowing smoke you and I both are damn good at Recognizing patterns early on and seeing what they mean now when you recognize the pattern it eliminates fear People are fearful because something looks like this has never happened before. There's nothing like this There's always something like this, you know history's not the same but it rhymes You know the phrase we hear so often so it's like once you recognize the pattern in yourself emotionally or physically or the pattern Financially or the pattern of cycles of of of markets you no longer fearful But the second skill is pattern utilization now think about it what changed humanity from Living in fear and running from one place another, you know, being hunter-gatherers trying to hopefully get our food To stay in one place and being able to build a family a community a city a nation One pattern recognition that we learn to use and that is the seasons Until we understood the seasons you could do the right thing at the wrong time And you had nothing planting in the winter now my hard hardy work doesn't work So once we learn that wow we can plant here we protect during the hot summer we reap and keep some of it for the winter That's how we came to be able to be where we are well once you recognize financial patterns business patterns patterns of technology You're not fearful once you start to use those patterns you become powerful You now start to be able to invest better you be able to build a business you'll be able to have a more mature And one that's more passionate more alive and more loving but the third target that I will all my kids I want them to move towards and constantly reinforcing is pattern creation So think of this way and I'll finish with this if you're Learning to play music the piano Usually someone else before you has come up with a pattern that's delightful Enhancing whatever you want to call it beautiful You learn their pattern and you learn a lot of their patterns and you don't just recognize it you use it You can produce the result that's amazing But as time goes by suddenly there'll be a point where you've played enough of other people's patterns that you come through And now you become a creator of patterns and if you do that in business or in sports you become the goat of that industry You become the greatest of all time because you're bringing something table that's never been there before So the answer and long answer, but I think it needs context is The need for certainty is in human beings But that need can be met many different ways and in order to have them succeed They need to have a different identity have to understand that This idea of certainty just things being the same way has never really been there If you look at it in reality, but I can put an internal certainty I can find the meaning I can develop the identity the person that finds the way I can don't think the identity of being a creator And if I study these three skill sets I'll always be able to learn and as I learn I'll be able to master anything life brings me including AI Technology robotics nanotechnology etc Hey everybody you may not know this but I've done an incredible research team And every week myself my research team study the meta trends that are impacting the world Topics like computation sensors networks AI robotics 3D printing synthetic biology And these meta trend reports I've put out once a week enabling to see the future 10 years ahead of anybody else If you'd like to get access to the meta trends newsletter every week Go to dmandis.com/metatrends that's dmandis.com/metatrends I appreciate this and I agree with you of course the challenge is How many people have it within themselves to actually You know go down that road One of the challenges is we're living in a world where there have been a number of social contracts that have become You know sort of codified in all of our lives, you know You know work hard in school go to good college get a degree get a great job and all of a sudden that gets just disrupted And people find themselves where their identity for all time has been their job I mean first off the idea of work is a rather recent invention You know, we never used to work 10-20,000 years ago. We survived. I love the south guru has a great quote about this I remember he said technology is the means by which we take a vacation from survival I love that And so the question now is when when your self-worth has been tied to your job And all of a sudden either you know, it's taken away Or it's it's minimized and then we also have I think one of the biggest concerns I have and Elon echoed this is we're going to have A large population of individuals not getting jobs. I mean they're in the process of the social contract of I You know worked hard. I got to a college and we're seeing this at at MIT at northeastern at universities around. I you know With great degrees. I cannot get a job and Retooling themselves to go and become a creator and I you know One of the things we've talked on the moonshots podcast a lot is that the real future career the real future Opportunity is being an entrepreneur entrepreneurship is the future For everybody at some shape and call it a creator call it whatever you like So how do people make that make that shift when they're in the midst of of hurting? And we're not we're not there yet You know Another thing that Elon said that I want to just say is you know, we're going to head towards universal high income Where you know robots and AI enables to have anything we want And at the same time with social unrest So how do you think about social unrest? Coming is it avoidable? Can we immunize ourselves? Do you think governments going to take the actions required? Yeah, those are those are great questions And I'm certainly not the expert dancer that might only give me my two cents of my opinion and but you know I've heard a lot of people say this before like you know They say for four thousand years our Danny's been tied to work. What happens? We don't have to work anymore And it's just not true for four thousand years before Aggregaring and transformation of our society as you said we were into survival But really what we were tied to was a tribe we were tied to connection and contribution Those are two human needs that have never gone away and are not going to go away If there's no quote work now, I don't know if I buy there'll be no work for human beings personally I could be dead wrong But I just I don't buy that necessary future certainly not in the next three five years of you describing But I think you know to think about economic utility wasn't it you had Your sense of significance let's talk about something for two seconds because you know this but share it with your audience You know, I work with people all over the earth One of things that I uncovered about 20 years ago that just really changed my work I could help people in a radically different way is I notice you know I've worked in you know 100 and what 139 countries I've got clients in a hundred and ninety three countries But I've gone to those places countries and worked in every country has its own values and rule systems Obviously generally for example if you go to the east saving face is very very important as you well know And there's cultures like the United States were the end you know the individual is more value There's cultures where it's more about the group But the one thing I noticed that every single culture was the same problems occurred even though the culture was different And that made me dig to see what drives people underneath it all What are what are the drives that aren't just motivational? What are the drives that are built into all human beings and I finally discovered what I consider to be the six human needs that drive everything In other words, whatever people do they have a reason if somebody says they're going to commit suicide They've got a reason if someone's willing to run into building and save someone and they might lose their life to do it They got a reason if somebody just yells you they got a reason they might not know what it is consciously But there's a million reasons there's six needs that drive those reasons or those stories right Someone's going to kill themselves. Obviously I'd have to have a belief that dying is less painful than living as an example So those six needs come down to these real fast because they think And let's actually let's take these one at a time because AI impacts all of them They do it does and let's just look at what they are so the first basic human need is certainty The need to be able to be comfortable to avoid pain Now this need for certainty is in every human being It's just the differences human beings in these six needs are that some people value certainty number one And some will value let's say Uncertainty another need much higher Where you value these six needs is why we make different decisions And the second thing is how do you get certainty some people get certainty by lowering their expectations Some people get certainty by trusting in God and saying there's a higher purpose. I'm going to be guided Some people get certainty by saying You know, I've been through hell before I've always find the answer. I'll find the answer here So we get certainty by working out and feeling that certainty in their body So we all have different rules a different map about how to meet that need So the two differences is what do you value towards the top two that's what drives you And what are your rules about to meet them? So having said that you get certainty by eating a lot of food You're all stressed out you got a lot of food and your stomach fills up and you start to breathe better Right because you're full or you smoke a cigarette take a breath in and blow it out nice and slow And you feel better you're killing yourself, but you feel comfortable while you're doing it, right? It's just provide certainty So you can find certainty in positive ways, neutral ways or negative ways But if you were certain every moment of your life, you know what's going to happen when it's going to happen What someone's going to do what they're going to say in the beginning That feel great But after a while you'd be bored out of your mind Which is why the universe God would if you want to call gave us a second need which is uncertainty We have a need for uncertainty we have a need for surprise In fact when I do large audiences I'll say to a stadium How many love surprise and 15,000 people all raise their hand and I go bullshit I said you like the surprises you want Right the surprises you don't want you call problems But we need those it triggers a different responsiveness We need that I know you for variety now if there's too much variety People freak out if there's too much certainty they're bored out of their mind So is the goal to be the lukewarm middle now the goal is you can meet multiple to multiple beliefs or actions or emotions You can meet multiple needs If someone's ever rented, you know a movie that they've already seen I'll ask people that most people say they have and I say get a life Right and I said but I've done it too Why would you want a movie you've already seen because you're certain it's good And you're hoping it's been long enough you've forgotten nothing still gives you variety to watch it again And so you can meet multiple needs the third need is they for significance The need to feel unique to feel special to feel important This is one of the most important human needs They're all important some people value significance number one Some people value certainty number one so they live a very different life Right if you're valuing certainty number one You're going to be holding back a little bit back here if it's uncertainty you're going to be charging forward Right the direction of your life is driven by which of these needs you value at the top Significance means to feel needed to feel important to feel significant right You can get significance by working harder than anybody else Being more generous you can get significance by beating you know beating up on somebody right you know verbally tearing somebody down You have the illusion if they go down you go up Right there's so many ways to do it that are positive and negative The reason we have violence is if somebody doesn't feel significant And you're in that part of town where maybe they're not being Feel like they're part of our society or taking care of or have the same options Somebody puts a gun at your head Well how certain are they you're going to respond 0 to 10 10 How much variety is every time it's different and thirdly you're the most significant thing in their life I bring this up because this is a critical principle I know I'm teaching a lot real quick but you'll see why it's important and understanding how Technology and AI affects us and the changes we're talking about If if you are in a position that you meet at least three of your needs to a belief Or three of your needs by an emotional pattern or three of your needs by an action You'll become addicted to that belief that emotion or that action Whether it's a positive thing or negative addiction you'll be addicted to it And by the way Unfortunately violence has always been with us and will be unless there's a consciousness change Because it's one of the fastest ways to feel significant and certain and have variety It also meets the fourth need unfortunately Which is connection and love not the love part but the connection part Everyone needs connection and love right as human beings if you're born you know as a doctor in your background And a rocket science doctor but you also know as an medical doctor That if children are physically held as babies if they're not having that kinesthetic touch They get failure to thrive syndrome Literally they can die from the lack of that so we need that connection Now most people have love and maybe it disappeared or it ended and so they settle for the crumbs of connection But they still want that So you can get connection through you know having problems and sharing your problems with someone else You're going to have that connection by you know prayer You're going to have connection going going for a run and feeling connected to God or the universe You know you can feel that connection by buying a dog because you know cats leave the dogs you leave for two minutes It's like you've been gone for six months. They're so happy to see you right So there's many ways right to get that sense of connection By the way if you've ever seen two people fight over whose problems bigger I have this problem They're not fighting over the problems are fighting over who's got a more significant problem My show is all significant right It's just like when you're in the battle of her who's been traveling too much That's exactly right So the first four needs are the needs of the personality Everyone needs certainty And if you have to lie to yourself you'll do it if you have to work 20 hours a day You'll do it People find a way to get certainty Now zero to 10 they might give five six seven I don't know And they might get it in a way that's temporary If you take a bunch of sugar you're going to get a nice sugar high But it's going to drop it doesn't last most people meet their needs in a way that is temporary right But certainty uncertainty those two you can see how they feel like contrastive Significant I want to be the one But then I want to be connected So you can see the kind of conflicts that most people find in these first four But the ultimate needs are spiritual needs not really just with spiritual and that is Everything in life has to grow Everything grows or it dies. That's not my loss. I love universe And everything in the universe if it doesn't contribute it's eventually eliminated Right So we have to contribute we have to give something when we contribute of something to give and that's when you have a spiritual high That's when people feel fulfilled as opposed to for survival So I say this because to talk about someone losing their job or their sense of identity or their self-worth Because they're not doing it through their work anymore Or let's assume that there's no need for work. Let's take this utopian view I would be concerned about that if I thought the only way we could meet our needs for significance And certainty would be through work But look we've already lived a post-work world to some extent if you go back in our history as humans right When you are not evaluated by your economic utility you'd quote your job We always ask what do you do in America for example But that's not what's happening then you were evaluated by let's say your courage and war By your creativity by your wisdom Right by the things that you can share your art or your musical your ability to tell stories So there are many ways to meet our needs right now We have been driven to think of it only in one predictive way for the last couple hundred years But we've done it before and we can do it again But the answer to your question is will we as a society do that quick enough for everybody make that happen quick enough I'm afraid to say the answer is no in my opinion Just because right now you have the character is stick that's driving this technology especially AI and nanotechnology right behind it and everything else The carrot is like I make trillions of dollars And the stick is if we don't do this China could dominate the world. Yeah So as a result of that almost no money is spent on safety and there's almost no thinking about what's doing the job You know right now we're already seeing high school students Are having greater and job employment than college students for the first time So that never happened before in modern history And that's happening because people are leaving and those middle jobs have disappeared Those first-stage jobs have already disappeared. Are we doing anything about it the answer right now is no So is it concerning to me? Yes, my biggest concern is if you don't have any work How do you find meaning? I know you can do it. There's many ways to do it But we have to educate people and we've got to retool them and just like talking to President Obama There's very few people actually looking at how to retool our society. I didn't say well they'll become You know they told people go study code and now of course as you know with vibe code I was just talking to um, I think a mutual friend of ours. I think you know Robert Smith over at Vista 125 billion dollar private equity firm. I remember five years. I talked to him I said what's the chokehold on your business? It's getting more people that can write code right more software engineers right now They're eliminating them like crazy, right? They only need a few some really smart ones. So again You don't lose your job to to AI you lose your job to someone else use AI better than you do So I think the answer your question is there is a way to meet all of our needs It's going to be a call and I think what AI is doing is it's a spiritual call I know that's my view of it We're going from survival values to spiritual values. Yeah From external focus to more internal focus that we're able to share make the world better That's the upside of this But the transition time is going to be painful and if you look at history Most of those transitions are a five-year period roughly if you look at every type of major description That's happened with technology in the past. I hope it's not like that. I hope we can Conversations like this like we're having to be stimulated food and other people have them at a high level and that people like you and I can try to Create as much influence with those who have influence to make that shift But I there's no guarantee on it and I think we have to be realistic to say There's probably going to be some disruption look The how many billionaires that you and I both know that are their preppers right now. Yes. I know I know that doesn't have them that got together. I got invited this meeting I didn't go but I got to hear the details of it and it's just blowing my mind I mean we have mutual friends that are building places underground and giant ranches and hiring giants Timing of these foods. Yeah, it's crazy. So prepping for the future. That's not the answer the way to prep for the future is preps society By giving the ability to have a different psychology about change and figuring out the ways in which we're going to create that Transport I love you for it. Talk about like taxing robots and so forth might be a part of that I love you for this and by the way anybody who's not gone gone to Tony's date with destiny, which I've gone to twice It's an extraordinary experience and I commend it to everybody and you'll explore these six human needs understand which of them drive you and you know I'm not questioning whether this transformation can occur I'm concerned that who in society or what institution or what organizations or what leaders are going to lead this Because I don't see anybody in government addressing this I see a little bit coming out of the hyperscalers Which are in fact going to be the wealthiest most powerful institutions on the planet right this magnificent seven right now is got you know a A revenue equivalent to half the GDP of the United States and more than 99% of the native of the planet So who's going to take who's going to take the lead and You know what type of programs need to be in place to change this conversation at the middle school in high school level right because right now You know, you know with your young daughter and your older older children it was always okay study hard This is important need to contribute to society you need to learn you to do math tables all of these things are are effectively feigning away and How you contribute you know ultimately the conversation will talk about this in a few minutes You know how to use technology to upskill your purpose in life, you know to go for your moonshots You know the analogy I like to use is you know, how do you how do you create a Star Trek future versus a Wally or a Mad Max future Well, I think again, you know, these are deep questions, but I think my hope is the Elon's of the world that you know We've got a chance to be a little chat with and you're good friends with and Some of our friends at Google and some of those very individuals you're talking about I think the gentleman and anthropic has even more association to some of this Yes to say look we have to do two things we got to retool people for this But we got to retool the psychology and as you know, we did that study at Stanford on You know when in the middle of COVID they came to me and said you've got these unbelievable results for two of their professors who came to At David Sands six-day program and what do we do we reorganized they reorganized? I didn't tell him how Their value system or when you change your value system you change what you notice what you appreciate if you're number one value in life is security And the bottom of your list is adventure And when you walk in that seminar room, you know where all the exits are if you're number one guy is adventure You don't even know which room but door you came in you don't care right you literally your predictive process Just like I I literally is rewired in that process So we need to teach people how to rewire themselves and we proven it the Stanford study You know I asked them in advance you said they want to do it under depression And I said you know Tell me what the meta study show about current treatments for depression And blew my mind 60% of the people that go in for therapy or or drugs of the combination they have make zero Improvement under depression 60% that's the meta studies 40% improve But on average they improve half as much or 50% less depressed now some get well, but very few Most stay on these drugs and I said man you should be able to get that result You know with the placebo and I said so let's what's the best study you've ever done It was done at Johns Hopkins about eight years ago now For a month they gave people depressed Silosive and magic mushrooms And cognitive therapy for a month. I said well that much biochemical change You must have got a change. He said it's the most successful in history They got 56% of the people six weeks later had no symptoms Just pretty unbelievable compared to anything else I said I know the sounds like you know, you know, I'm exaggerating or you know I'm there's ego involved. I'm not we just done this enough. I know they're rewiring process We will trounce those numbers so you set it up the same way and when they did the study after six weeks 93% of the people had no symptoms whatsoever and the seven percent had improved more importantly 17% of the people in the study came in with suicidal ideation when they left Nundit. This is just reorganizing retooling right the best part was a year later with no interaction from me Their negative emotions dropped 72% overall positive motions up 51% now. Why am I telling you that if you are the best Ferrari in the world Let's call AI your Ferrari, right? It can empower you to open amazing things at speed and amazing But you got to think about what the new environment is you're driving that Ferrari in if you're going to the You know, bahá race, bahá 1,000 And you try to drive that beautiful Ferrari. It's not going to go nowhere if you go to the Dakar race You know 9,300 miles into Sahara desert and you don't read tool You're you're going to die out there And so I think we've got to retool the thinking process is the emotions and we've proven we can do it So I think with people these types of things now can be done at scale as you know like all I'm doing my seminar You know at the end of this month. I do one once a year for free for people of the world. I've done it since COVID, right? And it's so we call it the time to rise something it's time to take your life from the next level We offered for free We had 1.3 million people last year join us from every country on the face of the earth And every night we did I didn't do it for two hours. I did it literally for three days Three and a half hours a day and you see these huge transformations That before I can only do an audience of 15,000 people in a stadium All that came by the way because when they shut down during COVID this big problem I had to adapt because I wanted to help people it wasn't you know, I got 114 companies, but this is my mission So I was like, okay, we'll move the Vegas. They shut down Vegas. We'll move to Texas. They shut down Texas. We'll do it movie theaters. They shut down the movie theaters So I built the studio and we started this process and so now the seminars no longer 15,000 people a standard like you know Unleash the power of the end event you go to is got between 40 and 60,000 people because we have people at the event live and people everywhere So everything is to your advantage if you create these psychological shifts That's what has to happen in people and we need some players who want to help fund that and I'm doing it for free Where I can do it as much as I can but the tools exist. It's not like this We don't know what to do to rewire people, but if we do nothing We're gonna have problems and not everyone's gonna take advantage of that no matter what you do And you're gonna have to deal with that as a society still So first of all we'll put the link to time to rise in the show notes and commend it again to everybody here You know Tony that maybe the advantage is gonna be AI Tony at scale I mean we're gonna have AI delivering you know mass issues In this disruption Not only me but I actually I'm in discussions right now in the organization That has some of the smartest AI people I think on the planet and we're talking we've they've already got it up and running We're doing 50 languages. We're doing counseling and but just not like I wouldn't recommend the average therapist I'm not being disrespectful. I wouldn't now recommend the average coach in any industry There are people that are exquisitely good But they're they're you know, it's hard to get to them or they're they're schedules full So we're gonna make this available literally worldwide for people to help them be able to manage They could pop on an app and make it happen right now. It's done for free for people at some point They'll be a price point that'll be reasonable and I'm also I was just They just haven't announced it yet, but they just the federal advisory committee on health and human services They've they've had I guess I don't know if it's 2,000 people applied and they apply but they've 15 people on it And they just selected me and I'm going to be the person who's the mental health side So it gives me a chance to really look at how I can have some influence on the governmental side to some of these tools digital tools They can help us do that because I think digital tools are part of the answer It's it's the I think it's the only answer it's guess when I you know and I look at your six human needs right certainty and uncertainty Variety significance love connection growth contribution A.I. is hitting every one of those in a disruptive fashion right just in terms of teenagers having relationships with AI Girlfriends is going to disrupt you know normal course of social development for individuals I mean the level of uncertainty that's going to hit people in their jobs level of certainty when I always know I can Go get an answer and I have my A.I. that loves me and always answer it You know significance not like does it love you, but it always affirms you even if you're being an idiot and it tells you You know your jokes are hilarious. You're so smart. That's such a great idea. Right. It's crazy. It is so I mean It's going to screw with our six human needs In a It's more certain for me to pick up my AI and then like I don't know if you saw but the latest statistic in Japan They're talking about no one's having sex. Yeah, right? They've moved completely out. They're burnt out by work And then they fulfill themselves digitally in every way. They're as you know robots. They think of a soul So you know, they have a completely different frame, but you know I saw a statistic that they blew my mind here in the United States right now young man 25 to 33 years old Less than one third of ever approached a woman to ask her out for a date physically Yeah, and and that goes along with home ownership and you know, it's it's crazy. It's where We're destroying sort of the existing social fabric in many ways and the challenge is I believe we're just at like the five percent of it all right word. Yeah, I don't even know it's five You know you and I bought we can't estimate something so big But I think you're right. It's at the beginning of the beginning to beginning when I do I do think there's a there's a A solution that's available to us on a larger scale too if we can at a fundamental level just keep you to understand The story of their life. I mean what is your life? It's a story And if you think about like if you go to a movie if you read a book You know, there's usually seven elements of a story There's the fundamental way you know what the story's about is the main character has a desire a driving desire You know if you go back like 30 years and you look at a terrible movie to almost everybody's seen Swartz Nager made this movie and called true lies and in the beginning of this movie You see the beginning of this guy and you read like he's a spy and he's going after the bad guys And so you know what is driving desire is that your desire Determines the story is your desire to come one with God as your desire to make a billion dollars As your desire to help the planet as your desire to save children is the right poetry that starts your story Then the next part of your story is you take a look at this and you start to say everybody has a problem or a need Or they wouldn't be after that desire And what you'll see often is you as the person reading or watching the story You can see the main characters missing courage or they're not very kind or they're not telling the truth You know that silly example I gave a Swartz Nager You know he looks like a superhero and he goes home and you realize his family doesn't even know he's a spy He lies to everybody about everything right And so he doesn't have courage at home. He doesn't have honesty. He doesn't have connection And then the next part of the story is there's opponents always There are three opponents. There's the external opponent like those bad guys out here But then there's the intimate opponent in that movie He thinks his wife is cheating on him and she's not and so he has fights there But then there's ultimately the fight within yourself the internal opponent And if you fight that usually come up with a plan to deal with these opponents And if you want to make God laugh tell her your plans right you have battles But eventually if you keep growing those battles you have self-revelation you have a moment you realize oh my god It's not her it's me. I'm not being honest. I'm not being courageous. I mean courageous here But not here where it matters and that self-revelation leads to new actions new character And then you get to an equilibrium where life will never be the same again or you know they're happily ever after That elements of a story if you can see where you are where your desires are what your current plan is who you're battling with That allows you to step out of reaction, but the ultimate step out is this the oldest story of humanity First of all, you need a really good opponent right if you look at you know You know science the lambs and you see Tony Hopkins Anthony Hopkins with Jody Foster He's so brilliant and makes her a bigger hero right But the hero's journey story It's been taught a million times. It's in every every culture in the world We all know of Joseph Campbell, but I just want to remind people If you can think of your life in terms of the hero's journey whatever you're dealing with Technology change job change career change like everyone is going to experience what the first step is in that hero's journey Your life seems to be okay and then something happens and they call it the call to adventure It doesn't feel like adventure when your house burns down It doesn't feel like adventure in your burglar. It doesn't feel like your adventure when you lose your job Or the government shuts you down with COVID or you find yourself in a position where someone says you have a tumor But it is the beginning of an adventure if you don't give up And so we experience that extreme stress that people experience we're all gonna experience it doesn't matter how Spiritually you are how religious you are how believer you are doesn't matter how rich you are doesn't matter how Since here you are everyone's gonna experience it more than once, but what happens is most people try to Not go on the call like just ignore it and it only gets worse as you know If you they old phrases if you're going through hell keep going if you push through those moments the people that do They get three things out of it number one They realize how strong they are and all these other things are worried about go away Could you start realizing I am so much more than I thought it was second? You learn who your real friends are not your Facebook friends or whoever you call them right the ones that are there when it's not going well And third you get almost an immunity to future challenges I have a friend that was in Vietnam and it was shot down as a pilot and spent six years in solitary confinement And like you know later on I remember the IRS was coming after him and like aren't you stressed is like After the North we get to me. Is are you kidding me? You know no problem here So the first step in that journey real fast think of like wizard of us Dorothy's got this black and white nice life. It's okay. She thinks a big deal is Somebody wants to take her dog from her because the dog bit somebody right little todo and what happens She avoids any real change she just tries to run away But then life comes and gets you and when life comes to get you it comes you know when you try to refuse the call It says no you're going on the journey the tornado takes her And she finds herself in a new world where there are new people she makes some new alliances She meets some new mentors who are gonna help guide her and she starts to go Pass the threshold where she can't go back. She's on this road. She's on this new journey and on that journey She goes to her deal. She has to fight the dragon the witch in this case is the which wicked witch of the east and the west And she's going to get to the promised land where you know odds is going to give her everything And she does all these fights and she goes to all these learnings and experiences and she becomes more And when she gets there she finds out this guy is not that the person is going to change my life. The answer is already inside of me The 10 man discovers that he already has a heart the stroke perhaps the straw man understands he's got a brain Yes, there's courage. He's demonstrated. It's not that you weren't fearful You did it anyway for the lion and for her it's tapping your feet and saying there's no place like home Well, when you go through that cycle when you when you slay the dragons you become more and you have now something to give you come home A new person and as soon as you think it's all over it happens again, right So when I lost my home, you know, I helped about six million dollars I don't need because I just I couldn't stand the pain I saw people in LA who I don't live in LA because I saw people they get a 14 day pass right what are they going to do without a home So I tried to help as many people as I could but some of the people I helped individually and some of the people I got to talk to I was like I lost my home 20 years ago burned to the ground everything I had was gone my family was alive That's what mattered everything else was gone. There was no place to store your pictures and your history in the cloud And I said but what it led to was a whole new world I met new friends. I had to move to a new place. I met new mentors Now I have a dear different that I just recently talked to a year ago lost his home during that time He's in the best shape. He's ever been in and he never would have made those changes without the call So AI is the call New technology is the call for us to become more again to move from survival to spirit To move from settlement to something greater. I agree with it all I'm I just want to go back to one point before we leave it which is This does not exist throughout society today. This is a small percentage of the populists that have come to your programs Have learned your teachings as I have I've been both I think a close friend and a student of yours And I think that the only way we're able to, you know, Isaac Asimov has Isaac Asimov's foundation series If you remember that book foretold the collapse the empire and the whole story is around how do we shorten the dark age Yes, right? So I Believe from everything I'm seeing we're going to have a period of disruption Yes, that disruption three to five years three to eight years three to ten years I don't know but the challenge has to be how do we How do we emeliorate the issues? How do we shorten that time and I think this whole You know transformation of mindset of purpose of understanding this as opportunity and calling Vers as devastation of your career is critically important and for whoever is listening to the podcast I think this is important to teach your kids for you to internalize in your on your own I think those who are in heads of corporations or government leaders This conversation this kind of planning needs to start today because it's going to take you know two or three years to roll out I think this has got to be in middle schools and high schools, you know I'm decimated by the fact that high schools today are Avoiding the discussion or utilization of AI this is coming you know the way towards my fortune rules faster than ever before We understand it understand that you know, this is a a quote from A dear a dear friend who basically Said that you know AI is is not a hand grenade. It's a jet pack Right and that's uh that's how you should think about it. It's not something that's going to blow up your life It's something that enables you at scale So I think to any the Conversations. How do we do that? Right. How do we how do we get this deployed? I think it's uh It's certainly not just what I'm teaching. I'm one of your garlic knows how many people that have these insights But I think what it is is having systems of scale and so I think the education system is a huge part of that process And that's why I'm personally investing in several approaches where it's a different form of teaching They're right now private groups But uh, you know looking to find that ideal formula as you know, there's many of them where AI is a part of the processing you can accelerate massively the traditional learning But then kids are learning to have grit like they got five year olds doing you know a five-can their trike And they don't think they can do it. They find out they can or a group of kids come together to learn how to you know Rent and create their own air bnb experience You know, there are experiences of life that are coming and there's a lot of it happening right now But is it going to come together? Look three to five years probably we're going to have some very challenging times to think that you're going to go And have every season be the same as absurd. We all think the how it is right now But it's terrible. It's always going to be terrible. It's good. It's always going to be good But the four seasons of life happen and so we will go through a tough summer time where you could call it a tough winter time But you know some people freeze the death and winter other people learn to ski and snowboard and build a fire and be with their family And what I'm suggesting is our discussions and many other discussions not just the ones we're having Hopefully we'll stimulate more people to say I'm going to choose to have this be a season I love and enjoy and grow from not one I'm fearful of and at the same time I know not everyone will I'm going to do everything I can to support individuals organizations or tools They're going to help people navigate this time period because on the other side of it Again, you'll have another springtime you'll have a time where you know There's times when people are optimistic Everybody believes everything's going to go great and it goes for a period of time But you got to remember human beings are cyclical just like the seasons our emotions are we go 15 years 20 years if you study a thousand years of Roman history or 500 years of angle American history Which I've done pretty deeply you see there's period there's that springtime where everybody's optimistic and it's great But eventually if you smile constantly your face hurts We need variety so then you go through or the universe you go through a summer that's a little tough little hard And then you go to the fall where everything's easy and you reap and the economy's great and then you go through a great winter Life is Strengthening us testing us and they're giving us a chance to grow Testing us and a chance to grow that cycle is not going to go away because technology enters our world It doesn't mean because there's no work that there won't be seasons those seasons are part of nature They're part of something larger than ourselves And so what you want to do is figure out how do you take advantage of what a season you're in how to help your family And I think coming back to like developing some new habits like okay getting your kids to take 10 or 15 minutes a day that was spent scrolling and they're going to learn AI just 10 15 minutes a day We do courses for people like that or I'm going to go do something and some air there I'm going to study nanotechnology. I'm going to study my own human psychology Taking these little micro learning moments as a new habit will change people's lives because then we'll get them to start recognizing patterns Using them and eventually creating their own and when you create your own when you become a creator All this fear disappears. It's not that you won't have challenging times. There's just nothing Sustained you more than your own capacity your own identity that says I find a way always to take things to the next level And the biggest thing missing I think for most human beings Is they're looking to what they can get instead of what they can give Every person I know and you're one that included you talk about moonshots, right? It's like we found things we care about way more than ourselves whether it be your kids your family your community I mean, you know, you know, I I got fed when I was 11 years old to change my life We had no food and now I fed 62 billion meals added a billion on my own here in the U.S And now we've done 62 billion towards our 100 billion meals I learned how to scale just like I did in business my philanthropy And that gives me more juice than anything else You got to have something that you care about more than yourself And then you have plenty of energy to face not just the challenges, but to surpass the challenges Because you'll have a compelling future. The one thing I'd say everyone needs Anyone can be able to difficult today if they have a compelling tomorrow. So when we go through this process We got to show people how to navigate it and show them how to create a compelling future out of it And again, I think what AI is really going to do if it does the things that you know people are saying it's going to do If it really does eliminate a lot of our survival instincts If we have access to an AI doctor and AI whatever and we can create what we want in our own life on our own terms Then the bottom line is we still need to feel alive. We need to grow The one thing that makes people feel alive is progress. Progress equals happiness And if I'm growing and I'm stimulating that growth It doesn't matter that economics are no longer the primary focus of it or survival It's something else that will light me up and we need to find that What you call moonshot what I call magnificent obsession and when you find that man Life is never the same again and you and I both know that we have the privilege of living those lives But we develop that compelling future and we need to help other people do the same Yeah, agreed. We call it a massive transformative purpose. What wakes you up in the morning keeps you going through the day that you obsess over You know, let's talk about something that I wrote about in my upcoming book We are as gods 20 we've talked about the universe 25 experiment You know our dear mutual friend Dr. Oz for us brought it to my attention If listeners don't know what universe 25 was let me just do a quick recap So there was a behavioral scientist named john kelhoon back in the late 60s early 70s And he created a mouse utopia. This was a large facility with all the food water nesting no predators no disease It was a basically a mouse paradise. It was his 25th time he'd done this and he'd gotten the results Consistently over time. So initially that he puts in four mating pairs the population grows exponentially But it reaches this threshold where social behaviors begin to break down The mice withdraw their apathetic their hyper aggressive their social dysfunction The mice stop mating parenting declines the infant mortality spikes And he describes these mice called the beautiful ones that they grew themselves all day long and they lose Any need for social behavior reproduction And then ultimately the entire society of mice collapses Not from any external threat and and he talks about how The actual need for purpose and meaningful challenge matters more than almost anything else and And let's let's talk about it. You've addressed that in part, but just you know the purposeful life being absolutely critical and and I think most of society their purpose is putting food on the table and taking care of their kids Or getting a Netflix account and we're gonna have to up level that to a to a huge degree It's true, but one thing I just caution though is we're not mice Yeah, okay, and you've done enough medical studies to know that about 80% of the studies they come up with affect mice Don't affect us the same way, but in this case it's obvious mice do not have the great ability that we're at least aware of the creating meaning Right, we have that capacity. We have the ability to use death as a counselor Something that creates maybe a drive for us to do something with our lives. We have the ability to create something from nothing But let's be honest When people talk about Darwin You have people talk about it's about the strongest you know survive and that's not what he said He said not the strongest of the species that survives is not the most intelligent It's those are the most responsive to change the most adaptable do it. Yes, so it's like our ability to adapt as a species is Unmatched. That's why we dominate the planet for better or worse you can argue, but we dominate the planet So I think um having that sense of purpose. We've talked about it multiple times here. It's critical But I think there are many people that are going to take you gave the example I think of the what you call the wally example where I'm just going to Me entertained by the world and just grow into a fat person that doesn't move and moves around in a scooter Versus you know the Star Trek thing where I'm going on the adventure to uncover what things are That's always been true of humanity It's that has never changed and I don't think it's going to change with us They're going to be people that are going to use AI and all this technology Did's to be entamed and do nothing think about it right now There are from the ages of 25 to 35 male boys men young men Are living at home a larger percentage than each time in human history including the depression And what do they do the majority of them play video games their mom clean does their laundry And they are under order uber eats and they live in that universe That digital universe where I don't know how much added value is happening for their life much less than anybody else So there's always going to be those who maintain and there's going to be those that create There's always going to be people like yourself I think you made my point I think you made the point about the universe 25 experiment There is that population who are just self soothing Because it's it's easy and and unless there's the intellectual Sort of the groundwork placed early on in in the child's life I mean one of the challenges and I think about this as a parent is like you know You're a perfect example hardship early in your life Develops this need right. I had that conversation with Elon. He was you know in South Africa You know, it was a very dangerous place and his goal was to escape there And most successful people not all but most successful people had a sense of hardship early on And if we're eliminating a lot of physical need hardships You know, you don't want to try and artificially create that but again, I'm going back to how do you uplevel people sense of purpose in this regard? What you have to awaken is hunger You're really talking about is hunger hardship can awaken hunger but so can creativity You know sometimes your life doesn't change then you meet somebody and they have this extraordinary life It's something that you value relationship-wise business-wise Impact lifestyle whatever and people looking to go man. I'm as smart as that guy Yes, what the hell's happening here and they awaken to a new possibility It doesn't have to be because you were something was taken from you There are some people that are just driven to be the best if their life and there wasn't necessarily a hardship But I think more have been that's absolutely true because hunger is I'm asked all the time people say you know You meet people out of the earth you meet the most challenged and most successful What are the most successful people on earth have in common and my first response in literally days was Extraordinary intelligence because I love wickedly smart people you being one enough floating floating you compliment you know who you are I'm fairly smart guy myself and so I love that I love that interaction But I found there are brilliantly smart people that can't fight the way out of a paper bag in real life So the number one factor is hunger the hunger to be more do more create more give more a hunger that never goes away You know hunger that you say you know when you look at and you look at somebody you know like Richard Branson You know he still has it in his 70s that he did when he was 16 in that cemetery You know starting up his little music company right so it's virgin at best time. He still has it today As long as that hunger is alive The world is going to be something that's going to be a beautiful place for you and all these tools are tools You will use with your agency to create something extraordinary But look there's levels of consciousness. There's one more model for a second There's gaming graves Dr. Graves who in the 60s You know it looked like the world in early 70s was coming apart young people were fighting older people You know people who just looked in the short term is saying our society is being pulled apart into nothingness You know black and white women versus man all these issues And he started studying the evolution of societies and he developed what he called these eight levels of consciousness and anyone Here's about it's worth looking at right and what he did was he calls it spiral dynamics And I learned about it when I had the chance to work with Nelson Mandela because when he was coming back after a quarter century of being locked up He could have wanted to kill every white person and around and you wouldn't support it but you'd understand right because Everything was taken from unfairly But instead he got people to stop thinking white versus black By using these colors. He took these spiral dynamics into colors is that person a blue person or a green person or a red person So let me give it you for 10 seconds. The first there's eight levels real fast Well, maybe you put them on the screen later show people But level one is just survival or instinct. That's some of that's basically when you're a baby when you're when you're really old And you don't have your faculties you're you're you're basically stimulus response level two of consciousness and again Consciousness means what do you care about you don't need to make it more intellectual than that At the second level what they call purple. It's called tribal order. You care about things And you care about other people because they can affect your pain or pleasure. So you join a tribe Now you can be on a sports team and see people in tribal order who wear the same jock strap who put them the same thing They leave in the certain you know rhythms that are gonna give them the same results certain gods right But in the tribal order area there's someone who leads in it's usually the storyteller the shaman We evolve each of these stages evolve because we get to a point we can't have our problems And so our brain finally forces ourselves to look at life in a new way The third level is called power gods the power god they think of his red and think of it as when you go red mad A red person is a person who no longer just wants certainty anymore. They want significance And so now a red person might be you know the kings of the past who just took the peasants and you work for me You live for me you die for me right power gods could be you can find a power god today and Some you know bands right you can see out there rock stars They go and they can wreck the whole building and somebody pays all the money and they keep doing it Everybody was a two-year-old power god right no is the word you learn to say So not everybody evolves and i'm telling you these because we get to certain levels and they affect the way we look at life The fourth level is called order in the absolute This is blue Why would you go from being the power god where you're in charge and you own everything and you have the power And you're the most significant one because at some point you think about death or you're getting older and a young power gods coming up And so that evolved into I need to figure out how I can be good forever And what became the idea of the religious approach that if I can Fall with these universal rules then I can have heaven forever I can have this kingdom forever. I can have this beauty forever But now I have to go from just thinking about my own certainty And my own significance to how do I affect other people that was the value of religion I have to look at that because it affects whether I'm going to be damned or not And it became a new consciousness Well blue as its limits because after a while people start to question how could this one guy whether it's the pope or Or the general and the army that's another blue environment the rules are clear you live by them or you're punished severely right Well, we evolved from that because people start saying I don't buy it. I don't buy it. They have the whole answer I want to try it on my own And that evolved into what modern society is at least in a good portion of America Which is what we call a striver driver an orange that's a person is like No, I test the rules. I'm in business or I'm a scientist I'm going to test it improve it works And if it works and it doesn't matter what you think that's what science is that's what basically businesses Then people get burnt out on that eventually because everything is a transaction I'm doing this to prove that to get this and that can evolve to green Which is what most of the think of is socially conscious where instead of everything is rule driven like we all have a voice We all care we think about the environment we think about everything But each level has its strengths and weaknesses. They all think they're the most important level You know if I ask people which level are you and those people I'm socially conscious on the top of the tree Or I'm a business person we employ all you greenies and make it possible for you or the reds go I don't give a damn you know you screw around. I'll take your life or the blues go. I need to save you They look at the same problems in different ways But they all think they're superior when the truth is we need them all like I've said to you. What's more important? The atom or the molecule? What would you say? They are one to component the other and they're both critical A molecule or the cell you get the game right the cell or the organism the organism or the ecosystem the ecosystem or the planet the planet or the earth So you take out any chain and we all fall apart so they're all invaluable and the goal is to move up and down this There is a seventh level called yellow which is flex flow Flex flow knows that you know We need to have some sense of hierarchy like orange and blue look at But we also need to be able to flex like green can it allows you to look at things and say not Who's there because of the number of years, but who has the answers and then the final level that he talks about is an awakened soul That's where you feel everything. I feel humans my wife feels animals. She can tell what's going on And I we all have moments of these levels now. Why am I telling you this because right now most of the world It is in trouble is at level two three and four meaning purple red power gods You know order in the absolute it's this or it's that or I kill you type of thing Modern society is more level five that orange driver driver and some green AI is going to take away potentially if it can do the things that you were talking about and that Elon's talking about and a limited Bring this world of abundance. It literally takes us out of all these survival omits and calls us to go to this integrated view of life This spiritual awakening tool of life where we feel connected to everything and we can create things at that level So there's going to be people that do that and there's going to people that are going to play their video games or the new version of that That's 3d totally immersive and we're not going to get away from that But here's what I'll tell you about history you can find history in four sentences Good times great weak people we have society back in the roaring 20s that if you were a kid You were known as a flapper and you were irresponsible and the whole world changed with technology overnight cars Radio's television airplanes it was unbelievable and you thought when I turn 1918 I'm going to get a car you're bored in 1910. Let's say and guess what 1929 comes when you're 18 years old 19 years old And people are jumping out of buildings and people are standing in food lines and You got the dust bulb middle of the country and that generation of people who were so weak Went through 10 years of depression from 19 to 29 and they got strong because they had to be And then right when they thought they were going to have a break World War 2 breaks out Hitler looks like he's winning and they go and fight the war and they come back so they spend 15 20 years to basically time They're 35 years old Living with unbelievable challenge and that's the only way you build a muscle. So guess what Weeks easy times the roaring 20s greater weak people We creep will pay to bad times bad times great strong people And strong people great great times and you can see that evolution in every 100 years and 20 year cycles And our today you'll hear you know people that are you know ex-generation or even you know somebody older You know talk about let's say millennials today or talk about you know Z generation and talk about how they're so spoiled and they Got it so easy and there's some truth to that they haven't out of work anywhere near as much as other generations But I guarantee you we're going to face some real challenges coming up and those are the new hero generations The very generations people don't think is they understand technology and they're going to learn how to grow and build muscle And they're going to help make the world a better place in my opinion I think that's the next step love it Tony and evolution of consciousness the technology is going to call for us and speaking of conscious and brilliant individuals I'm going to use this as a as a point to invite my moonshot mates in if it's okay. Yeah, I would love that Let's let's let's bring him in and I'll introduce you to him This episode is brought to you by blitzie autonomous software development with infinite code context blitzie uses thousands of specialized AI agents that think for hours to understand enterprise scale code bases with millions of lines of code Engineers start every development sprint with the blitzie platform bringing in their development requirements The blitzie platform provides a plan then generates and pre-compiles code for each task blitzie delivers 80% or more of the development work Economistly while providing a guide for the final 20% of human development work required to complete the sprint Enterprises are achieving a 5x engineering velocity increase when incorporating blitzie as their pre-idee development tool pairing it with their coding co-pilot of choice to bring an AI native SDLC into their org Ready to 5x your engineering velocity visit blitzie.com to schedule a demo and start building with blitzie today Tony I want to introduce to three of my best friends my moonshot mates. I call them Seleme miss mail Seleme is the CEO of exponential organizations was my co-founder with ray at singularity Alex Weasner gross is our resident genius in the world of AI and all things exponential and Dave Blundin my partner in my AI lab Yes Anyway, three amazing individuals and I've had the chance to cover so many subjects with them and I wanted to bring them in to have this conversation for the next 30 minutes or so So I wish we I wish we were asking these questions of them so I could hear their answers And I welcome you to ask the questions of them as well Well some other time we'll do a follow-up. Who wants to jump in for us? Seleme Tony I got to say I've been teaching a class that MIT called foundations of AI ventures for the last five years and two semesters so 10 classes About 130 people in each class so you know 1300 people have heard me say Act like Tony Robbins. There's only one winning attitude in life because everyone comes in You know, they're a student. They think they want to be too cool for school or they want to be like no There's only one way to act that actually works if you have any desire to be an entrepreneur to build a creator Just study every video of Tony and act exactly like that. It's the winning strategy So thank you for for being a role model Not to mention me by the way You can't be can't be too kind to Tony What are the biggest questions that they're dealing with as they look at where the world's unfolding with technology? Exactly what you guys have been talking about um, you know one thing you touched on is Japan But if you look at Korea, you know has the highest Tech penetration in the world highest smartphone penetration in the world Samsung has record profits By any technical metric it should be the greatest place on earth highest suicide rate in the world And 0.6 children per couple so basically 0.6 children per couple at that exponential decay rate it'll disappear from the earth and just a couple generations Like there's there's and this is what they're thinking about and it's good that they're thinking about it Because they want to live in a happy abundant fruitful world with their friends Exactly the things that you guys were talking about and AI is is going to create this rate of change That is just beyond belief and it doesn't correlate with happiness necessarily. It needs to be turned into happiness Well, we all know we fit met people we all know people that have got more than enough economic resources billions of dollars And who are miserable? I mean, you know those phone calls that I often got to deal with and deal with people So the abundance doesn't guarantee anything But I do agree with you. I think unfortunately the level of engagement What's the biggest problem in business day? It's engagement You know, we used to you know, it's the lowest level since COVID that we've ever had you know they look at engagement what's obvious Disengagement which is you know what we now call quiet quitting where someone's doing the minimum and then active disengagement Which is somebody's not only trying to do the minimum, but also trying to hurt the company And we've had the biggest drop in engagement and the highest increase in active disengagement And so it's like what's happening is people are fulfilling himself other ways like why should I go to work? Why should I do this? We have a cultural shift where technology is meeting some of those six needs They're getting certainty easily enough to do anything for the certainty I don't have to grow one of the push myself. I don't face my fears They get unlimited variety they can feel significant by tearing somebody down with a couple of keystrokes They don't even know and they have no volatility. I mean there's no consequence for that And then they also can feel connected to other people the same way But what they don't experience is the spiritual needs which is to grow And also when we grow have this thing that where we have something to give And that's where the emptiness is that's why we have so many people out there talking about You know they're they're mental health or and and the solution that we've been promoting since Covid or least Pop culture has been promoting has been this idea of you need to take care of yourself more. What's the term everybody uses these days Self-care right I don't need more self-care But what you find is the people get weaker and weaker don't get me wrong You need to take care of yourself But I think the biggest challenge is without the push to build anything of any form of muscle meaning a spiritual muscle Courage faith determination right creativity if there's no push for that then we start to diminish And I think what has to happen. I think I don't I don't have the right answers by any stretch I'm actually encouraged by countries like Australia who Some things I know like they've done like what they did during Covid But I like the idea of some of these countries they're starting to say hey kids can't get on social media till they're 16 17 18 You only get so many hours unfortunately you'd expect that to be parents But we no longer have family units the same way or any cohesion in the teaching today So many people I read a statistic of the day said a third of families have someone in their family. They don't talk to you anymore To me that's insane But we aren't teaching people that look what he's about us sharing we can have different points of view It's if we have a different point of view than me than I have to eliminate you or that words or violence I mean Chris Rock said to me goes if people say words or violence They never have your face slapped the shit out of my name Like just bullshit. So we have these belief systems We poured into our younger generation that are actually harming them And then we're giving them tools that it dick them and they're wondering why our society isn't flourishing It's kind of like think about it this way when we have a bunch of people that are financially not doing well We put them together in a project How are they ever going to get better with there's no examples of success there We take a bunch of people that crazy and put them in a mental institution And wonder why they don't get better the way we get better is by different examples and offerings And so we need to go full force in my opinion as business owners as entrepreneurs as leaders as people in politics Where we start to say what are the two or three things that can make the biggest difference part of that It's got to be in the educational system as we've already talked about but I think another part of that is Just what is the discourse what is the narrative about what's going to give you a fulfilled life Because most people have fallen into making a living They've been disappointed by so many things. They're no longer designing their life And now they're in that maintaining mode and they're stressed all the time During COVID there was a woman in the New York Times who did an article With all these people are trying to do less and less so they'd be less stressed And she got a nine week basic time management course. I mean really basic And what she found was that their life satisfaction scores Their work level went up three times their life satisfaction scores went up for X Just from learning how to get more out of their life That is one of the greatest sources. We don't teach anybody. We don't teach young people Any of these skills and the wonder why they Wind up addicted to you know some devices that are designed to add to them You can see you can see how this could go horribly wrong and how it could be really really good And exactly what you said because because AI could be Like junk food emotional junk food, you know You just get addicted to the easy path and before you know it you're emotionally fat um Or it could go the other direction where it you Commit that I want to be a better person and you just tell the AI hold me accountable Yes, and then it becomes like a life coach. It keeps you on track. It encourages you. It motivates you And it really comes down to whether the people behind it Are motivated by improving the world or motivated by squeezing money out of you You know or some other negative motivation and it's all just And let your bet on which one's the driving force for the majority Well, I think you know you have such a huge following of Highly motivated people or who people want to be highly motivated If there's a good option out there and we'll keep track of it, you know ourselves on this pod But if there's a good option out there you can point a lot of people to ward it and it can make a huge impact on the world Anything you know of that nature. I hope you guys will fill me in You know you got access to me through Peter and two seconds flat And I want to make sure that we get as much out there as possible and like I said I've been put on the The federal advisory committee for health and human services and some of that on mental health that should give me another avenue Of having deeper discussions because you know I know a lot of people in that position Bobby Kennedy's friend of mine officer dr. Oz is a friend of mine Marty's a good friend of mine So we've got a lot of brilliant people in that area on the health side And I think you can attack it from the mental health side. It's one part of it We think we got also you see all these kids that think they what think communism is the answer right? What I don't know if the numbers accurate But I heard that red someplace that 80% of the female vote of young people went to mandani right? It's like okay. Here's the solution because it sounds so nice I'm old enough. I went and actually when it was still the Soviet Union I was invited over because of the work I was doing with Firewalking things that nature so I went with a group of scientists and I traveled the country And I got to see pure communism right up front and we traveled on this train literally from Moscow to Siberia and back Over a period of two weeks and we were on a train or every supposed to be equal and everybody there is having caviar and everything else and every train stop and every town There is a giant center area and you'd see people wrapped in the freezing cold free You know three quarters of a mile around Winging in line to get a quarter of milk and half of loaf of bread. I mean these people haven't caviar It turned me into a capitalist. I didn't know what a capitalist was where I left there was so pissed But kids today have no clue They just think it means more good stuff and it's you know some of these kids had been Had a helicopter parent that took care of their whole life and so they think the government should be that They don't know the cost of what that's going to be and unless we keep putting out the truth and also We find solutions to help them through this unique time. Then I think we're in for a rough rough patch here for a period Yeah, it's not amazing how much fate they put in the government though like as if as if it's there like somebody up there Must be studying and understanding all of this. I mean you you are the government now, right? That's too Tony you're the guy actually you should tell us more about that commission because that's going to be hugely important in this transition years Well, that's not all about well, they just formed it and they didn't even announced it all yet But there's 15 of us on the council and the mental health one So I'm going to be sitting down with them or we're looking at what's the game plan for maximizing but the first focus is tapping into digital technology to improve the quality of people's lives So I'm sure you know they're already going to invest now for people you know on Medicare and so forth So they can wear like their whoops and measure what's really going on with people they want people to have that But then there's the mental digital mental health side that can help people like AI counselors I mean we're as I said I'm working with a company right now We're producing some results that even blow my mind where it isn't an average person It's the best of the best they've read every single psychological book. There is but then we can guide them through some of the latest tools Because some of that technology is a hundred years old would be like you wouldn't use a phone from 10 years ago Why would you consider that technology from a hundred years ago related to our mind But that's traditionally what we do in traditional psychology So there are tools about that is one of the digital world the digital world can help us scale that that's where we can make a difference So you believe in all the traditions you could have in the entire world right now And what's one of the most powerful and important ones? I mean that that role as the the person in charge of health with AI federally at the national level You can't pick anything more critical to the success of the country and to the world I'm not a control of it. I'm an advisor. I don't want to play Okay But it does put me in a position to be able to take the stuff that I learned from you guys and other people and Say bring it to the table for discussion and I think we have an administration here that you know Whether you like the administration or not the one thing they are is aggressively trying to do the most they can To get people to be healthy again to get poisons out of foods And to operate in ways that could help people have an emotional base that is different than we have right now We have the largest mental health issues that we've heard about and godly knows when you've seen what suicide rates have been and so forth As COVID we've gotten weaker and we've got to become stronger Well, I keep telling everyone around the school's all hate the administration because he's you know They're cutting funding whatever that I tell everyone look I don't care whether you like the administration or not. This is the only one that matters in the AI era We're only one year into it guys. There's three more years to go. Look at the rate of AI change So so either get comfortable with the administration, but if you wait it out, it's over so So you make it so it's gonna be a different world Yeah, Tony when you when you talk to young people What are the best techniques you found that that awaken that hunger in them? What are the techniques and the hacks that you've found? I find telling them like I never used to tell my story of what actually my youth was like You know my mother was the most influential person my life and God rest your soul I wouldn't be why I'm without her But she also mixed alcohol with prescription drugs and when that happened She was extremely violent and so I remember the first time I was with the group of kids and they all were Had single mothers from minority families of majority and I was up there speaking to them initially And I could just see read their minds of this tall rich guy white guy, you know, what the hell and so I just first time in my life. I told the whole story. I was never Drogatory my my mom has passed at this stage But I just told him the burning truth. I had them all crying their eyes out that time was done So then they understood the hey, we have the same background element and then I told them Your biography is not your destiny. It doesn't matter where you've come from. It's the choices you make now And so I got credibility by entering their world in a way that was absolutely as real and raw as possible And I used you know very direct language that they understood at that stage I entered their world and so I find it's really critical to try to see who you're dealing with no matter where you're in the world Right, you know, if I'm gonna speak in China, you know, I have to understand the cultural rules there Or I'm not gonna be able to reach people appropriately. I know the human needs are the same But I got to still make it through those rules So I find with kids if they can see that this is real Because you know, we live in a world where everybody talks about the wealth gap Well, big part of the wealth gap is there's about a dozen people are going a hundred billion two hundred billion three hundred billion dollars You know, that's that it's very different than the mean as we know And so when you're when you're in social media, you used to compare yourself to the neighbor right now you compare yourself to billionaires There's only there was about three thousand of them roughly in the world. I mean no that you that'll make you feel like you're behind It's literally what made you know, Russia, you know, changed people start to see what's happening the West and said I wanted that But now we're creating a level of Discomfort and unfairness to people because they're having an expectation That they should be the winners of the lottery and not everybody is gonna be even if you're smart and even if you're incredibly skilled So I think it's getting it real and showing there's still a path because so many kids think there's no path To having a home to no path to having and I tell him look when I bought my first home I was 18 years old. It was 2008 and an interest rates at that point where you know 16% you know It's like they look at me like are you crazy? You know, it's like people are complaining about 7% you know 6% So I think it's entering their world showing them what's real and demonstrating it still can be done and helping them build a compelling future to me That's the most important part I'm a I'm a Tony AI subscriber by the way, so I've really been enjoying getting here. I'm glad to hear that. That's great Yeah, although I've got a slight beef with you, you know back in singularity University you'd brought your platinum group and I moderated the couple of days and you took me aside afterwards and you said I need a couple of minutes with you And you said there's a group of people that know the world is changing dramatically. I call that the Ted crowd You said there's a subset of that group you said that that knows how deep and broad that changes Which is kind of like your singularity people But then there's the number of people that know what to do But I would put that group on one hand And you said sleep. You're one of them. Don't stop if you have any intonation on this stuff And that's been bugging me ever since so But dang Alex why'd you pop in Alex you want to say something brilliant? I mean by the way Alex has has three degrees from MIT in four years the three hardest you can get And his PhD from Harvard so it was actually three plus one Anyway, congratulations on your new advisory position and I should say as a preliminary matter I don't have any financial interest in in your budding empire, but congratulations nonetheless Did have a question based on your your anecdote about the Soviet Union So there are millions as I understand it who looked to you for insight in terms of gaining financial freedom Thinking about retirement and yet and yet In the next ten years there are many myself included who think that advances in AI are going to Transform the way finance is done perhaps beyond recognition first question Would you be interested in leading sort of a Manhattan project For the global economy to prepare people for a new world a new economic world where Perhaps money as we know it is obsolete and scarcity as we know it has turned to abundance Well, I'm not I don't know if I'm qualified to be the leader, but I'd love to be a supporter of it anyway I could be of course and I and one thing I try to get across to young people also because this is coming is besides the obvious to what they can do now and they can do today what they have control over is I remember when I was 18 years old I had a teacher named Jim Roney was a personal development and kind of a business philosopher and United for different fathers and And we one of the reasons I've fed a billion people in the U.S. and 60 billion overseas is because I wasn't fed But I was on Thanksgiving when I was 11 somebody delivered food for our family when we had no food We had crackers and peanut butter, but we wouldn't have a meal And the reason I tell you that is when I look at those experiences and I say How can I help someone understand? You know, why is it some school teacher in those days? I went to my teacher and I said how come this school teacher? You know, I told him look I had four fathers. They're all good men. They were always broke We're always worried where the next meal was going to come from and I said you know I'm only 17 at the time and I said you know and my current father is going through it right now And I said he's a good man and I said you know a school teacher I think of those days making like $35,000 and then you see this hedge fund guy made a billion dollars last year I said I don't understand this this doesn't seem fair and he said something I'll never forget and it shaped my whole life. He said Tony you are right We're all equal as souls on this planet, but we're not equal in the marketplace And I said what does that mean? He said was it possible for someone to earn Twice as much money in the same time Four times as much money 10 times 100 times and so obviously they're people to do it I said how he goes that's the answer the how is you have to become more valuable if you go to work at McDonald's And you get minimum pay. It's not designed to be a great job. It's a first job It's not designed to be your whole career. And the reason is anyone can learn to do that job in a few hours max today Even faster. There'll be machines that are doing it in some of these places right he said so it's not worth much Your job is to learn to do more for others than anybody else in the marketplace If you become more valuable in your skills your insight your tools And you have more you can give and it's what people need there'll be no limit So I think in any change of society that we talk about where maybe economics are not as primary I think there's still the idea that we all need to find what's the added value that we're bringing to the marketplace So to speak when I say marketplace to our children to our family to our community in other words Nobody feels valuable because you just tell them they are when people talk about self-esteem I hate this term. It's so overused People say well, I don't have any self-esteem because when I was growing up, you know my parents said this and that to me Well, someone can tell you the most beautiful person you're the smartest child on the planet You're brilliant and you cannot believe it. You're pretty and not believe it You can have someone tell you your piece of crap and some party you can say I'll show you right Your self-esteem has nothing to do with what are people said to yourself esteem is based on only one thing a steam for yourself And that is earned when you get yourself to do something that's incredibly difficult And by doing it it not only benefits you but others there's an explosion in self-esteem And I think whatever happens in the world the idea that I'm here to bring something to life That life is calling me to bring something even if there's no economics involved Is the most important element of a sense of purpose a sense of meaning and therefore a healthy a vital and a joyful and meaningful life Yeah, follow a question if I may just a on the notion of scarcity, but also You've clearly impacted so many millions of people with With your way of thinking in terms of finance in terms of life outcomes I I have to ask you the contrarian question, which is what information do you still have in your mind that you haven't already shared with the world? What what viewpoint do you have that is so wildly shocking and not evenly distributed that if you told me what it is now It would make national or international news what what secrets do you have left first of all not that significant I'm just one guy trying to help as many people as I can I don't pretend to be God Or I'll be a giant inside stated. I feel very lucky and sincerely to be in the presence of people with the greatest minds of all of you No bullshit to that so I honor you in respect you, but I I don't know. I think There's not there's an ongoing evolution in me as I'm sure there isn't you right? I mean if you and I stopped our growth And and stopped our insights and so how many of the insights that I have around intimate relationship or around how scale of business or Around what you can do with your physical body with some of the breakthroughs that are there Those are ongoingly growing. You know Peter and I wrote that book What just two years ago Peter was it maybe three life force. Yeah three years ago. Yeah, life force and you know We you know I usually do we wrote a little tiny book with like 700 pages And he's Bible paper so it doesn't look too big But I wanted to hit every angle and I had the right partner with Peter right we could dig into everything there So but even after that there was a couple years ago. There's so many new things Peter and I do so we have businesses where those things can happen So I don't know if there's any one thing in one area I just say I'm going to continue evolve and then as I do try to use as many vehicles as possible to share things There are people that are interested. I'm not the right style for everybody. I'm quite passionate intense You know talk 100 miles a minute That's not the right style for people. I may not come in the right package But when I'm more interested in his platforms where multiple voices can make that happen not just me And that's why I mentioned for example the AI interventions. Yes, I have an AI and yes, we have AI interventions But having you be able to pick a style that's supportive or more challenging or a man or a woman All those choices in your language that you can access 24/7 win the problems happening You know with some of the level of skill that I would have or someone else you would respect or we would respect together To me that's work. It's exciting. So I think it's more the distribution of those Distinctions into vehicles where people and have a one-to-one relationships at scale You know, that's why I try to do with feeding people take it to scale and you know I'm fortunate enough to have a my own private plane. It uses a lot of fuel. So I was like, okay What's my fuel burn? You know how much am I using and I you know found I needed You know 3000 trees so I planted a hundred million trees said a goal and I did it for years right? It's like so and everything I do I'm looking to scale it You know with my wife and I you know witness some friends whose child was abducted and and traffic and there's most Terrific thing you could imagine so you know we stepped in and now in the last seven years We've you know helped free 70,000 more than 70,000 kids in that category So it's like scale to me is what I'm looking to do take any insight. We can scale it But I don't pretend to have all the answers or even the right answers I have some answers for some people that are interested in that style one more question If I mail along those lines Tony so scaling if you had the opportunity to upload your mind into the cloud and scale yourself indefinitely say sometime in the next 10 years would you take it? 100% 100% I would you know why would you not I'm not by the way I'm not suggesting that everything I'm gonna load There's gonna be valuable I'm not a lot of bullshit in there you probably to say it doesn't work for me But but you would allow people to select what is most valuable for them on a major scale and and quite frankly I believe that possibility or at least a version of what you describe will happen in next three to 10 years I think it will whether I can put that in and then This vehicle goes away and my consciousness can you know continues like Ray Kurzweil talks about Was a dear friend of ours. I love the death. I don't know if that's the same thing I don't know I think there's something called spirit that I believe and I could be dead wrong And you could say it's just you know It's just X's and O's and and information and data But I don't know I don't know if that's there, but but to make a contribution beyond my lifetime is my goal already I don't have any sense of bullshit self-importance like I'm gonna be a historic figure or something But while I'm here I want to help and touch as many lives as I can and I want to leave as much as I can for my family and my grandchildren and children and And for anybody else that's interested that finds value in it Yeah, I think the opportunity since so much of what I think you talk about is willpower And and everything in connection with that if you had the power in connection with uploading or a high-band with brain computer interface or Some other AI assistant to gain conscious control over your dopamine response Would you exercise that? It's a great question. I have never thought about that Um, I think I think if you know if I trust it might help to be judicious with it. Yes, I think otherwise It's just like every other technology you can you can your technology into a drug most people turn problems into a drug If you think about I don't think of the most biggest drug on the planet is not cocaine. It's not pod. It's not you know heroin It's problems because the deepest fear everybody has is they're not enough I've never met anybody who had some context didn't feel like they weren't rich enough smart enough lovely enough humorous enough funny enough Smart and whatever it would be for someone they care about You may not feel it now, but we all feel it at some point and then so that feeling I'm not enough leads to feeling like you won't be loved and I think those two fears are so strong in human beings That they dominate people most people create a story about why they're not where they want to be And it becomes like the wall that protects them but the wall that protects and it prisons them And so I look at I look at these things and say I don't want that I don't want to become a dopamine machine where I'm just Making myself feel good I think one of the secrets to life in my opinion is Like most people that win that don't win the game of life because number one, they don't know what the goal of the game is They've never side what their purpose is right? So you don't know the goal of the game. How are you gonna win? The second problem that they have is they don't know the goal of the game is but they got lots of rules I can't do this. I must do that and the third problem is their rules are often in conflict They were taught look before you leap. They're also taught. He has it. It's lost. So you know, how do I make a decision right? Another one is you got to deal with other human beings that have different rules right if you're gonna succeed in this life And so you got to deal with that another one is most people take things so heavy The people that I think succeed in life They know the goal of the game at least for now the purpose of what they're about They have decided there are some rules that they're gonna do something else as different as and this is relates to your dopamine questions Why I was triggered to tell you this is in life you can do the right thing and get pain Are you to the wrong thing and get pleasure? So only a smart person learns to train themselves to give myself pleasure when I really do what I believe as well Not what everybody else gives me accolades for like a eyes like these a eyes today They're absurd And I make you like you're the greatest person in the world no matter what you say that's the stupidest thing in the world And if I do something that I know is wrong even if the world doesn't punish me I give myself that hit And so I my only concern with the dopamine side would be if it got abused I don't think I'd abuse it, but I'd have to think about one through because it would certainly be tempting once you're in it I got this from my son over for Christmas actually it's uh the the clawed You're absolutely right stick Just a little reminder that yeah, you can't It's a total sick it's a total stick of fat process And that's why I'm reading about these women that are all having relationships now because They're affirmed constantly they're AI listens to them right and affirms them continuously and what do I need a man for Yes, that's part of what we're dealing with here Absolutely, that's the slippery slope Tony you've been coaching millions of people over decades right after kind of looking back over that time Are you more optimistic about the world or less in the transformation you've seen at a does zeitgeist level because there's almost Nobody in the world that can comment on this and the trajectory as you've seen over those decades Uh, it's my 49th year of just beginning it's almost 50 years above my mind. Of course I started when I was three you understand Um, I am more optimistic, but I'm um, you know Peter and I are dear friends and partners in several businesses And I'm not as optimistic as Peter is about things sometimes we tease about nobody. Um, but I think here's what I think about optimism I think I'm realistic like I don't think you should go to your garden in champ. There's no weeds There's no weeds and when they're weeds are there. I'd like to see the weeds and rip them out, right? So I I don't think this is a smooth transition to the future I think as I've already said I think there's going to be some bumpy parts of the road But that's part of our own growth physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually as a society Um, but I am more optimistic and I think optimism is the right route It's like I don't know if you read learned optimism years ago. I'm sure you did in the settings book But you know the great thing I found out that book was he talked about how pessimists are always more accurate about their performance than optimists They always are much more accurate in the description of how they perform Optimus always think they perform better than they have But because the optimist thinks they've done better they do it again And they keep going and so they tend to succeed So I think if you had a pick one you got to be optimistic and then secondly I would say here's what I am optimistic about I'm optimistic um As I look at not just the last 50 years But when I study a thousand years of Roman history or 500 years of angle American history and I see the cycles And I'm very optimistic that the kids of today and I'm calling people kids there in their 40s Which probably might be insulting to them. It's not meant to be. I'm just 66 in a few weeks here So I feel a little differently about it now But those in other words millennials and Z I think for the next heroes of our society I'm extremely optimistic that the things we're going to face they are going to be the ones that actually step up and help us through that transition In an effective way just as going back just one century Let's say the flappers became you know the greatest American generation. We call them the great generation So they're going to face significant challenges And I think they're going to grow as a result And I think we're going to have a new springtime But we're not going to get to spring without going through winter And people think we're in winter right now. I would argue We're in winter but we're not in the strongest part of winter The strongest part of winter is when we get the kind of technological jolt that happens if we've got a A serious cyber war with China. We have a cyber war already obviously You know some certain things that can push us to have to look at things in a different way I think those things are coming and technology is going to push those and I think internally These job losses that are already starting to occur That can become part of that push as well So there's a long answer to say in my 50 years of service almost 49 I am more confident today because I've seen long-term patterns not just short term And I'm also because what's available today to the average human being think about it We live the greatest pharaohs in the world What would they have given to be able to fly for one part of the world to another in a few hours That we bitch about when it takes an extra hour or two You know what would they do for our actual bathroom better yet Could they spend a hundred million dollars for a movie to be entertain them For two hours and have people backed up around the line where we're paying ten dollars for You know 100 movies available right there on your tv set People's quality of life today is greater than the pharaohs And it's going to become even greater the question is can we get our human psychology To keep up with the technological advances that's that's the The good news here Tony is that the same technology that's giving us these problems Allows us to scale the solutions That's right and we just need to get more people focused on solutions So we've got about five minutes left maybe Last question from you Alex Yeah, I'd be curious maybe to press one more time try one more time Tony on the contrarian question Which is what belief do you have that you think no one else in the world does I just don't think on that unique. I appreciate the question But I just I think multiple people that's I'll give you a core belief that I have that not everybody has It's a core belief And I developed this belief maybe on a necessity. I don't know how you want to look at it But I really believe that life is always happening for us not to us even though it looks like it's happening to us And I believe that because I've lived long enough and I'm sure you have as well Alex if you look back at your life Or any of you how many of you've had an experience in your life 5 10 15 years ago or more that when it was happening It was felt like the worst thing that happened in your life You'd never want to go through it again You never want anybody you care about to go through with it But 5 10 15 years later with a power of perspective you look back and go Man, I see I see the universe or God's value in that if that made me so much stronger Or it made me care more or it made me more sensitive to this I haven't been able to find anything that I couldn't find that with when I gave it my focus But of course if you think life's happening to you, that's all you find and I think that frees me up From this punishment cycle that people have for themselves or they think God is doing to them or the universe or the world It frees me from you know somebody is you know pushing me down and I'm the systems against me It frees me from all that because I look at all as a worthy opponent You know all that is a worthy opponent. It's designed so that I become more so that I can give more So my life has more meaning while I'm here and hopefully when I'm gone Tell me about the time to rise event coming up and how do people find out? I've done this since I did this since COVID. It's like people are trapped at home and I was like How do we help people in the middle of all this and I said I'm gonna do a seminar. I was gonna do two hours three hours and I said no, let's do three days Let's do about two and F three hours a day make it enough that it doesn't take their whole day But it's like going to a great movie, but your life transforms and what we do is we'll have over a million people every year From virtually every country in the world and it's coming up I believe it's January 29th through the 31st and 2 p.m. Eastern Bay of people joining fall of the earth And what we do is we walk people through the process of making some of these changes and at night They're a part of a community of a million and more people literally all over the earth and people put up videos Showing the assignment I gave them and how they change and you see this community over three days come together and transform So there's zero charge for it. It's not partially free. It's totally free and all they got to do is go to Time to rise some time to rise some at com and register and they can join us and if they're doing at home They can do with their family if they're doing at the office they might win It's fun to do with some of your friends. It's a very fun process But it'll show you how to increase your energy It'll show you how to get clear what you really want It'll show you how to deal with the obstacles It'll show you how to retool yourself in the areas that matter most your body your motion your relationships your finances Just in three days and and it gives people momentum instead of the first of the year by the time we do this We always do this the third week because people set their news resolutions those that actually even do it anymore And usually for that time they've already broken them And the resolutions don't do it. You need to plan in a strategy and you need a community to support you And so I've made it to you don't have to travel you don't have any cost It's just our way of trying to see how we can help a million of more people each year And I'm excited to do it So if you go to time to rise summit.com and I'll see you on jerry 29 to 31st and love to serve anybody who comes I love your brother. Thank you for all that you do in the world Just grateful and can't wait for Tony AI to scale I think it's one of the most important Conversations we had here. Well Peter AI and all of you and I really I mean it's sincerely guys You're doing amazing work and I love how your podcast has grown like crazy I know friends over in other countries that watch you guys religiously. So thank you for all your contributing I appreciate it so much. Great poem. Thank you Alex. Thank you Selim both Dave pleasure You're all here. 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