Tom Brady on Favorite Super Bowl, Kelce v Gronk, Belichick Debate & Why the NFL is Hard | EP 198

Do you have a favorite Gronk story? - I got a good one, I got to go all right. You know like a lot of receivers, Titans will work on catching drills, hit the jugs machine, you know, 100 catches, and all the receivers did it. I never saw Gronk ever do any catching drill, ever. Every ball like throw to Gronk, like he'd have these big white gloves, right? And when he put his hands up like this, it looked like the top of a trash can that I would try to hit. And you would go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're like, say it's like a small in his face. The ball would just stick to his hands, right? So it was like unbelievable. So one day, it's like his third year in the league, all right? And we're at practice and I throw him a ball and it like hits like the palm of his hands and like falls on the ground. And Gronk looks at me and is like, what was that? Like what just happened? So he goes, Tommy, throw me the ball again. And I cooked the ball and I fired at him and he caught it. And he, it was like, he gained his confidence right now. (all laughing) Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back. - Hey! - It's a new eye. It's we got a special episode with me and Jason in the same room. This never fucking happens. - This never happens. It is the best. - There's like a sent to you that I just like being around. It's called Louis Vuitton Imagination. You know that perfumes actually use file or rotten things in their perfumes because it lasts longer and elicits certain pheromone responses out of the no nostrils. - This show is brought to you by Expedia. That's right. The place you go to go places where your host, I'm Travis Kelsey, he's my big brother, Jason Kelsey. - Hey! - Jason always knows a little bit too much about everything. And you just caught that first hand here in the early stages of this interview. - I know just enough to be dumb enough. - Yeah, there we go. (all laughing) - You got to love it, man. - I don't have a script in front of me. So I think this is where I say, follow the show on all social media, add new heights with 1S fun clips throughout the week. And Jason is now going to tell you what we have coming up this week. - That's right, 92%ers, we've got another great episode. - Yeah! - We are ending this season with an all-time guest, the most accomplished, greatest football player in the history of the season finale. - Season finale, 10 Brady is on the show! Yeah! - Oh, you know what, Tom Brady? - That's right, all you patriots that love Travis Kelsey, 10 Brady's coming on the show. You're gonna love it. - Hey, Pat. - And uh, yeah, let's get into some new news. - New news! - Before we get to that, all right, new news brought to you by American Express. It's the end of the road, the season is finally done. This season is finally done in New Heights. Do you have a favorite highlight? - I'm in the live show. It's fresh. - It just happened. - It's fresh, but god damn, that was a fucking fun. - It was, it was a great job. Shout out to Amazon, shout out to Enterprise. Everybody helped put that thing on the set design. It was so much fun. I didn't know I was gonna work out. - Yeah. - We were talking, you know, the whole team, we were talking, we're gonna have a soccer hoop. They're gonna have a basketball hoop. We're gonna have turf. I'm like, how the fuck is this gonna work? - Wow! - And it ended up going off without a hitch. - Yeah, well, surprisingly. - And thankfully, you actually dunked, which wasn't an actual dunk, does that actually? - No, it was 100% actual dunk. It was 100%. You've dunked it, you've dunked. You have done it. So you dunked and on top of that, you stoned Alex Morgan. So two free round looks more. (laughing) - Which was a little bit of a loble fun thing. You know what? You gotta take your taste when you can. - Listen, Tim coached me and he said, you gotta get in their head. I got the bobsling suit out, so that threw it out of her game right away. And it was also a shorter net, so I didn't have the leap as far. So it went up there like, all right, I'm just gonna fire one in, hopefully it doesn't. And you fucking pull on. - Oh, I would know. I'm going. - Guess the right side. - Airborne. (laughing) - Got it. - There's gotta be a slow moment. - The look on Alex's face is gotta have a slow moment with that. - The funniest part was the reaction from the crowd. They didn't know whether they're in a cheer or not. - And they like. - Ooh. (laughing) - And you get up and he won, it's super bowl. - Yeah, dude, I just stopped the fucking penalty kick from a fucking World Cup champion. The best gold score in the US women's history. - That's great. You're hilarious. I'm sorry for my brother, Alex. I'm sorry. - And I get to say that the first time I ever dunked a basketball was in the Orphium Theater in front of thousands of people. - With an alley you. - With an alley you from Wolf Arrow. (laughing) It's insane. - What life are we living? - Couldn't have happened in a better way. - It's been a hell of a year. - That's the first time you dunked. - I've been in the Bronx for almost a whole minute. (laughing) - That's probably pretty cool too, 11. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I'm just kind of just having a little alley. - I mean, yeah. - It was, it was, it was, it was, no, we were. - Man, it's so long ago. I think I remember being in like a drenched sweat. Like I had like gym class. I had like been trying to do this for like my entire time in gym class. - Yeah. - And I finally got very similar to you. Not as much pull on the rim, but flushed it in, yeah. - Flushed it in. Good penultimate step. - Yeah. No, I was a one foot jumper back then. - One foot. - Yeah. - Nice start from like the fucking rafters and just build up as much as possible. - All right, well, we will be back for season five with all new episodes starting September 2nd. Travis is off to training camp for everybody that is new to the show. We take this time off because Travis is way too busy to record a podcast. He's getting ready for an NFL season and we do not have the time. Training camp at the NFL. He's gonna go to St. Joe's University. - St. Joe Missouri. - Yes, not. - Missouri, Western State University. - Not St. Joe's Philadelphia. St. Joe Missouri. - Shout out to the south of the Griffins. - And where they will be, I mean, knee deep in sweat and all sorts of other bodily fluids that nobody else wants to be around. - How is that? - For, I mean, all day they'll sleep together. They might, you know, play tummy sticks. I don't know what might happen. - It's very, that sounds like a silly thing. We'd never have that thing. - You never did that? - No, we never played tummy sticks. - Oh, you're missing out. (laughing) - All right. - Stick around to the end of the episode for some exclusive clips from our live show. We are ending the season with some of our favorite live, no dumb questions. - Nice. - Ending the season with Tom Brady. - Pretty epic. - Starting it with Taylor. - Pretty epic. - Yeah. - And the start of, like during that recording, the entire time I'm planning (laughing) like I'm gonna ask this woman to marry me after this. So, yeah, those were probably two other, like really cool moments of this season. Obviously, the beginning of it with Taylor is one I'll remember forever so. - Well, I mean, it's by far the most viewed episode of all time. - Yeah, it was pretty fun. - Yeah. It was incredible. (laughing) - What was one that sticks out to you throughout the year? Can't use either one of mine. Put his ass on the spot. Like, we had a lot of good wins, Jason. - I know, we did a lot of good wins. - Did you use your brains? I mean, I just, what is going to be even comparable to the two that you just named? I don't know. - I mean, we did a lot of actors. - Capriots had a nice-- - Dude, I feel like they're all, but I can't, like-- - Jordan Clooney. - Jordan Clooney, Aflick. Did we have Sandler on again? - Yeah. - No, that was the previous one. - Yeah. - Will it was the previous one? Or are you going on the show? - No, that was previous. - God damn it. - Check ass. - Tiny Knoxville. That's another one. Very current. - Allen, Regal, Hart. - Had you-- - Do that. - And he's Allen Iverson. - God damn it. - Aaron Andrews, Kristen Thompson. - From the rafters. This has been a hell of a year. - I leave the game both times, Kylie. - I'm gonna talk to her every day. (all laughing) - Don't you do that, Kylie. - Rain, moss, Jamie Swade. - You should be lucky if you get to talk to Kylie every day. - Jamie Swade's there. - Jamie Swades was great. I mean, there's Gospeling. They're all, they're all so great. - Oh my god, Greg and George. - Conan. - Conan. - God damn it. - Yeah, there's too many. I don't even know where to go. - I thought it was a fun little like memory lane there for season one of those four. - Four. - We're one on the five here. - This time's flying. - The Regal and Hart going back and forth was one of my, that wasn't hard. - That was a blast. - They were great together. - Regal and Kevin Hart. - Yeah. - That was too funny. The fixin's man. - Yeah, the fixin's. (all laughing) - Well, that's it for new news. Brought to you by American Express. It's time, Travis. The toss into our guest. - Let's do it. - Yeah, toss it all Tom Brady. Jason, you wanna do the intro? - Sure. Disconversation is brought to you by X-Fanity. - How are the guests today? Is these six foot four quarterback from the University of Michigan? - Woo-hoo. - 199th pick of the 2000 NFL Draft 15-time Pro Bowl at 2009 NFL comeback player of the year. Free time, NFL, MVP. Only starting quarterback to win the Super Bowl with the AMC and the NFC. He's got seven Super Bowl championships. Five Super Bowl MVP's. Now, two percent of the plays walk in the most decorated man of the history of our game. Tom Brady. - Yay. - We got the goal. - Yes. - Man, I gotta hire you to come on the road with me. I never had to intro like, I've done a lot of shit. - Yeah. - I've never had an intro like that. - Only the best for you, big dog. We got to settle it right here. Right now though, you're one and one against the Kelsey brothers and the Super Bowl dog. How do we figure this out? How do we break the tie? We gotta get on the golf course somewhere. We gotta get a few drinking games going. What do we gotta do? - I think we should. I'm definitely down for some golf at YouTube. You know, I love that. Although, Travis, I have seen your swing and I'm not I'm afraid that like you you would just roll over me I mean, you got that thing dialed Jay. I don't know you probably have had a little more time post career, but no No, no, I've got a ridiculous golf swing. Travis very I keep telling people he's gonna be a plus handicap when you really get some playing He's he's a stick. Yeah, and he's also he just got this new driver. We played at Bel Air yesterday Smoking it like 360. I'm like what damn same same driver new flight. Yeah, it's just going straight You've had a unique athleticism travel. I will say that like you know Silky smooth route runner like incredible feel out there like I think if I've played with you You would have had 110 120 a year and not that you don't have that with Patrick But I liked your style to play because I feel like there was a way You ran routes and you always had ability to like, you know, feel the coverage and then turn in when they told you to turn up Who cares? Because you're open and Julian did that a little for me West did that a lot for me some guys don't really have that feel but I just watch you play and I'm like Yeah, like that. I appreciate that big and I definitely took a lot of like notes from Jules and Edelman and even Grock on I mean watching you guys you guys were unbelievable at being on the same page Yeah, and you could just tell you guys were in sync and the guys that were running the routes were that even if they made a decision that wasn't You know so called in the playbook essentially it felt like everybody was always friendly and making it a definitive enough for you and But hey, I appreciate that big dog Jason's He's more of He's the kind of guy that I feel like Jason had the same in his own way like the center style of play His own unique way of getting the job done and Jay you probably weren't the biggest guy But you're always played with great leverage always the communication was probably on point I don't think I would have motherfucked you very often the center's a lot How do you I feel like you would have gone right back at me and I'd have been stuck cuz I'd have been like oh shit He's probably right. No, I listen, so I talked about this earlier this year. I know you're being funny a little bit But we just talked about being on the same page and so we were talking training camp earlier Tom and the Patriots had a joint practice with us early on and He's talking about motherfucking people And the biggest thing we took away was the leadership and Ownership that Tom took over everything and it's just in like a training camp practice and like a motherfucker coming Most like if he was yelling at guys not going emotion not doing the right thing You can tell you guys were so down in as a group and it all started with you and out of gladly been motherfucked to be honest Dude, that's the thing. Yeah, I don't even willing to get motherfucked out here man You gotta be willing. That's why I love having my guy area be enemy back in the building man because guys are getting motherfucked all over the field And all of a sudden you get a little bit more of a sense urgency going a little more focused in like oh shit I I can't be the one getting motherfucked today like I know in travel I think that was kind of like when I started that was the norm for football players like high school college Pros it was all about like school ball coach Where's the urgency to get it right and Bill would always say something really good to us as a team you always come in and say You know you have Wednesday practice Thursday practice Friday He would say you know coming on Wednesday morning like listen don't go out there and mess up a bunch of things today We can't do them over on Thursday. We got a whole another pile of you know stuff to put it on Thursday And then on Friday same thing like lock in today's a big day and and that just created always this urgency for our team And I felt like you know I took a lot of things away from my time in New England and you know Obviously I thought I had like a lot like you guys, you know you have great teammates and you have people that are going to be friends for life because you Were all doing this really challenging thing together, but there was like an urgency whether it was May to have the best OTA We could have or ended July when we had our first training camp like we had to have great practices every day because The competition is year-round in the NFL and if we were going to beat the other good teams Well, they were they were having good practices So we needed to have a good practice and just day in and day out I think there was a there was definitely a stress to it that was there was an intensity a stress to practice like I can't go out there and just You know suck today at practice because I set the tone for the whole team So I developed like this competitive urgency within myself and you can feel that certainly all those years in J when we would come in practice against you guys But I was locked in and I just felt like if I did that well then the other guys had to do it And if they had to do it then the coach is that to do it and then it just kind of volleyed off one at one another and you know We didn't win them all, but you know we were competitive probably in most Oh, you know almost all the games I played and I think it was for those reasons. Oh, yeah Being able to challenge that fucking inner competitor every fucking day and about every single detail That's I mean you're doing that in the in the dog days, man That's just gonna show up in the fucking games for sure Yeah, we talk about it all the time when you're when your best player is the guy that is doing all this and he cares that much and he's holding That's the guy who usually sets the standard and if he's just naturally that gifted and he doesn't have all these other things and all these other guys also need to be Applying and whether it's the time in study and the time in knowing what you're doing The time in communicating all that stuff. That's got to be from the top down and when the quarterback does it it just makes All the difference. Thank you to our presenting sponsor Expedia Summer is in full swing and if you haven't booked your next trip yet Now's the time. That's right. 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I think to travel like if you think about it a lot of guys have had so many people Tell them how good they are and I again something that's unique in the NFL like you're a high school player You're probably the best team to play on your team So it all goes pretty well then you go to college and you're probably one of the top five on your team Serving in goes pretty well, but you finally get to the pros you got an agent that tells you how good you're all the time You have a significant other that tells you how good you are you have a mom that tells you how good you are you have a dad So in the end who really tells you the truth? You know, and who tells you where you need to get better and that's the role that had coach Like he has to be the one that says I don't give a shit what you know the the blog says or the the daily writer I care about what what I think because it's my vision for the team and Again, I was blessed to have coach Bella check who I believe is the greatest head coach of all time I think Andy's like that to a degree. I know he's a different style But there's part of it that That position like you can't be like hey man. Let's go out there and have a great day Like we're gonna have so much fun and like you know something goes wrong And it's like oh don't worry. We'll fix it tomorrow and like everyone leaves every day feeling like they were graded And they did great, but the reality is they're not really prepared for what's coming on Sunday because NFL football is hard And to beat the cheese, or to beat the egos on Super Bowl. is hard. You better, if you play one of the best teams in the league, and in this instance, like I played both, you guys in Super Bowl, you better play every play great to give yourself a chance. If you play 20% of those plays poorly, you're not going to win. And why waste all the time through April, through May, through June? There's a big commitment to make that everybody sacrifices if you're not going to go out there to try to beat the best teams. You could play pretty average against the teams that don't really have a chance. But the teams that are really great, the six or eight every year that have a chance, you better have an urgency to beat those teams because that's the real competition in the NFL. >> Yeah. >> God, Tom's getting me fired. >> I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I mean, you had the greatest statistical performance ever by quarterback in the Super Bowl when you played us. Nick Foles caught some type of magical thing. I don't really know who was having it when Nicky that day, but he was on fire. What was that like, having that kind of skill? >> It still goes down as my favorite football game ever to be seriously. That game was insane to be in that stadium and watch you guys duke it out, man. >> Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's, when you win the Super Bowl, you guys played better than we did that day, so there's never any, made the best team win. I always kind of say that, who you're in for, made the best team win. I don't know, you guys were the best team that day was really hard for us because we did play good on offense, but defensively, we just couldn't figure out what you guys kept making big plays. The running back makes this great catch in the end zone. I think it was Auschon. It was Auschon. He keeps caught a touchdown pass. And we just, the Earth caught a touchdown pass. >> You had a couple of fourth down conversions, yeah. >> Yeah, you were just always one step ahead of us the whole day. And we finally caught you in the fourth quarter on a touchdown throw to Gronk. And then you guys got that fourth down, and then went down and scored, and I was like, we finally caught up. And it took us all day to catch you up. And you know when the NFL, when you're behind, you do feel like you're unsettled. You never feel in control if you're behind in a game, right? And that game, we were basically behind the entire day. So even on the bench, and even though we were moving the ball, well, I still felt like we were not in control of the game. And then all of a sudden, we finally got the lead. And then you guys went right down the field, scored, and then Brandon Graham made a, you know, made a great rush on Shaq, and strip sack me. And you know, that was it. >> I mean, you talk about feeling uneasy, not being, or being behind. We were ahead. And I was uneasy, because I saw you on the other side, and there's one guy that's good playing from behind. And this is the guy. So like, what do you think about your career? I don't know that there's anybody, I mean, Pat is certainly up there in like the two minute plays. But what do you think made you so good in those situations? >> First of all, I had great teammates that played great in those situations. And we worked on it. We practiced. We walked through. And you know, there's always something nice about two minute. In some ways, it gives the quarterback a lot of rhythm to play in when things are going well, when you're in a good rhythm in two minute, because it's not like they can run a lot of variety of defenses. And I was a very, I was all about preparation. So I felt like if I could get you into two minute situation, and I could get you to play defense, and I could get you the clock running, and you would have to signal. And like, I would be like, all right, I'm going to snap it before they're ready. And let's hit some completions. And again, I just push our guys to constantly, I was going to find the open receiver, because I could read coverage is really well. And I was always going to try to throw to the soft spud of the defense. I mean, I could, one of my biggest, well, my biggest weakness was my lack of mobility and my, a lack of ability to scramble and make a play. And in many ways that turned into the best thing that I did, which was force me to over prepare to over, you know, to read defenses and to throw to open guys. Like I didn't have the option to like pull it down and run. So I had to make sure we had guys open before the ball was snapped. So I was constantly looking at the coverage. I was constantly seeing the defensive scheme, and then trying to, you know, get our guys in the best position. And I would throw it. Grunk would catch it. I would throw it. Jules would catch it. I would throw it. Danny would catch it. I would throw it. No, I can, let's goes on. I mean, I played with so many great players, but it was really a great unit. And, um, you know, that was some of the best part of football was just two minute drives. And it was, it was the chance for you to go out and be like, all right, games on the line, man, this is like, this is what we do in the, in the school yard, you know, but games on the line, let's see what we got. Well, in that game, I still, I mean, the BG sex, but even after that, you guys got the ball back. And up until that ball fell on the ground, that last hill, Mary, it's him. I'm still like, dude, Tom could still find a way to get this done like in. It's not even believing it was over then. But let's get to some of the good stuff. Seven times triple champion. Yeah. Oldest Super Bowl champion, I believe. Is that Chris oldest starting quarterbacks? Oh, yeah. I saw it firsthand. Um, do you have a favorite one? What is your favorite? You got a favorite one out of all. I don't want to say I'm arrogant because that's not. I would say they're, they're all different, first of all. And they're all different meaningful because they're, they're kind of tell a different story. I think one that was like the 2014 one against the Seahawks, you'd probably say like the Atlanta one where we came back from all those, you know, down and much points. But the one, I won three really early. And it was kind of like, ah, you know, what's so hard about the NFL, you know, and I said, like, oh, I mean, no idea. I mean, it was like, I went to Michigan. We were good at Michigan. And I won two bowl games. And then I got to the pros. My first year, we won the Super Bowl. And then, you know, my next year, we didn't. And then we won two back to back. So I was kind of like, like, there's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to start season work hard, you know, and then win. That's okay. Big deal. But then we lost in '07 to the Giants. Then we lost in 2011 to the Giants. And then we played Seattle in the 2014. So we went on 10 years. And I had three years to three times we won it. Then I had two where we lost it. And then I was like, man, and then 2014 came. And we're going against the Legion of Boom. And we're down, I think 10 in the fourth quarter or, or, yeah, 10 in the fourth quarter. And, um, and then we ended up having just the most incredible, you know, last, again, last 20 minutes of the game. And defense played incredible. I mean, that stopped down at the goal line. It was, it went from like, you know, again, we were losing the most of the game. We finally got a lead in the fourth quarter. They drove right down the field. And then Dante Hightower made one of the greatest plays in Tsuboy's retaquing Marshawn. Getting blocked had like one shoulder out. Somehow got Marshawn on the ground, which like 10 guys to get Marshawn around. Dante did it with like one shoulder. Yeah. And then Malcolm makes one of the greatest defensive plays in the history of football. And everyone after the game talked about, you know, oh, not hand on the ball to Marshawn. I was like, how about that play by Malcolm? Celebrate this full of trigger. Yeah. Yeah. Pull the trigger on that. As a rookie to like go over the top of the pick and the acceleration burst. And then get there. It was all nothing. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Whenever I'm a receiver and I come out of a break, I'm always trying to minimize the opportunity for the defender to beat my angle. Yeah. He's got to throw you to get something. He's got to go through me. That's a part of my size and my strength in being a pass catcher. And I thought he had a good angle coming in. I maybe could have gone in there with a little bit more tempo, but it's kind of like one of those plays where it's like the RPOs you want to kind of come in with something, whatever it was, but I thought the angle was good and Malcolm just fucking shot it, man. And that goes to like the, I'm sure the film the film breakdowns and all the story behind it. They talked about prepping for that exact situation before it happened. I don't know if that was going to 30 for 30 where I saw Bill talking about that, but I love when the preparation carries over. And then I mean, the moment there, I mean, you could not have a bigger moment for a guy, a young player to really go out of his way to take a chance. Yeah. Tom, I've always wanted to ask you this because there is you have this ability. And we kind of talked about it before about just like the rhythm in which you always commanded the offense. It's just you feel like you've always got control of the game. And everybody's kind of going at your rhythm. Was there a point in your career where you started to understand that or was it always just kind of within your preparation how you guys ran the offense? You know, my college experience was really unique. I my first three years, I didn't play at all in Michigan. And again, if I was around these days, I probably would have transferred to another school because you know, you was simple to do. But you know, I Michigan was a really tough experience in terms of my, you know, I had to grow up. I didn't have brothers. I had three sisters. You know, I was the youngest. I've got baby by my mom. I got baby by my dad. I got baby by my sister. I go to Michigan, which is a long way from California. It's freezing cold. I didn't have a jacket when I went there. And I sit on the bench my first year, you know, and I really had, I would call it like a lot of self-defeating attitudes and behaviors. I always had an excuse. I always had, you know, coach, coach doesn't want me in there. Creeping real easy. Yeah. They're not giving me the opportunity. And I had a sports psychologist who unfortunately passed away about a year ago. His name was Greg Harden. And he started really psychology on me. And I would go into his office every Tuesday. And he would say, you know, Tom, I like you, you know, you work hard, but like, you've a shitty attitude. And how about you start worrying about what you can control and stop talking about the other quarterbacks, stop talking about the coaches, not put you in. How about you take advantage of the opportunities you get? And every time you go in there, you bring energy, you bring enthusiasm. If they give you three reps, you do the best with the three you get. Quit bitching about you only getting three or you going in there with the backup receivers. No one cares. You go in there, you bring energy, you treat practice like it's a game. You go out to to that practice field, like it's the big house in your plan, oh, I say, if you throw a touchdown in the two minute and practice, you celebrate like it's the game. >> Really? >> And I was like, well, I never approached like that. And he goes, you're going to gain a lot of trust and a lot of confidence from your teammates if you start treating that way because it's going to improve your play. Sure enough, my energy started getting way better. I was bringing juice. I had the right attitude. And then it started to improve. And my second year, it got way better. My third year, I competed with Brian Greasey to be the starter. Brian beat me out. Our team went undefeated, won a natural championship. But I learned a lot. Watch Brian be a great leader. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, fuck, I'm bringing the juice, man, every day. I'm bringing the juice. >> Oh, I'm bringing the juice. >> I'm bringing the juice. >> Yeah, every day. And that's what I did. And then we actually were pretty good, my fourth and fifth year. Then I went to the pros. And again, the pros is like, everyone is like, hey, man, it's a good day. Don't cover me on scout team. And here comes Tom Brady, scout team quarterback. And I'm trying to beat up the defense. >> Yeah. >> And that really helped me, again, that helped me get better. And then finally going into my second year, I won the backup job because I was so competitive and I was so fiery. And no one was going to unseat Drew Bledsoe. He's sent a 10 year, $100 million contract in 2001. >> All right, man. >> I mean, that's a lot of money, man. And then Drew got hurt in the second game. And I came on. And I remember the defensive players, like William McGinnis would come up to me and Laura Maloy and they'd be like, Tommy, like, man, you just keep doing what you're doing, man. So they could just sense that there was a part of me that really loved it. I was obsessed with the sport. I loved the practicing. And then I loved the leadership part and I really loved the preparation. Then I got really into the game. And Peyton Manning was the guy that I always looked up to as a kind of a rival because I thought he was the epitome of a field general. And he got his team in a right play. And then I watched him, he's throwing for all these touchdowns every year. So it was like, if I could get the mental part right, I was getting good at the emotional, the competitive stamina, the leadership. And then my physical body started to catch up to me. And then it kind of all came together and like, I would say 2003, I started to turn into like what I would become. But it was a process. It was like, I would say it was definitely built by a lot of people that supported me in the journey. And it was just really open to learning. I was curious about everything and then I wanted to go out there and be my very best. And so it's just a progression of a lot of things, a lot of people and then kind of putting it all to use. Hell yeah, that's awesome. I love that story from college, man. It resonates so much, not only with me, but I've seen guys not handle that conversation the right way. You know, it's easy to be negative and to not only just point fingers, but to look at what's going on around you and create an excuse. But in the reality of things, if you come in with the right fucking mindset and the right energy, man, one is you're going to enjoy what you do 10 times more. But then on top of that, it's infectious, man, that energy is infectious. You could, I mean, everywhere you've gone, you've had success and you've been a part of more than just yourself in bringing it, like bringing wins and everything like that, but those memories that you create because of the energy and the mindset that you bring into the building, that's what the teammates and the people you go to work with are going to remember you most for. Well, it's also a productive mindset for a player. This is always one of these that really sucks when you start losing games and you see the finger pointing starter, like, hey, we're not doing this, we're not doing that. And you have to try and like remain like, dude, just control what you control, like, be the best center you can be in. If you can be a way to help somebody by putting them in a better situation, be in a great teammate, but dude, and that's that, do your job. I know that was like Bill's like main thing forever, but like when you're thinking about all these reasons that are outside of your control, what the fuck good is that doing anybody? It does. It's so pointless. There was a great quote that I saw that was like every brick, every brick in the road that you put down is an opportunity for you to travel that road to be successful. But every brick you put in a wall is just an excuse that blocks your opportunity to get to where you want to get to go. And I think you create excuses and they're very built in. And again, think about how we're living these days, like with these guys that come in that everybody, their agents, their mom, dad, their sisters, their brothers, they all, they're willing, okay, you lose a game and losing sucks. It feels horrible for all of us. And it's amazing to have the support from people to come in and go, hey, man, it's not your fault. It was the defense's fault. It was not your fault. It was the coach's fault. Not your fault, it was the rest fault. Not your fault. And the reality is maybe that helps for like five seconds. Yeah. But in the end, it doesn't change any of the outcomes and I always feel like if you really want to grow up, just take it all on yourself, just say, no, it's my fault. I got to do better. I got to do better. I got to, you know, like I heard Wembee talk the other day after the game and he said, like, and they had a great finals. It was all, you know, it was a tough game. Yeah. Fuck Nick's run fire. They won however, man, 15 to 16, four or four or 13 or 14, insane. And then, you know, there was a part of Wembee said, we dominated every game. And I'd like, it's not the point, you know, like I just, I want to, I want to just, and I love Wembee. Go get me wrong. He's going to be great. He is the most mature. He's going to have a tremendous career. But it's also like, I always think when I see people talk, how would I answer that question? And a reality for everybody is like, they were better than we were. And we got to do a better job, that simple, like what, that's, that's actually very motivating. Yeah. Like, they were better. We need to do better. Great. That's what, that's what it takes to win a championship. You know, we were better, you guys were better than us Jason when you, when we played you traveled, like we had a better than you, it actually doesn't mean we were a better team. We had a better day. But it sparks a fire if you have the right approach. Like, but like that game, I took the same approach in my mind. Like, it doesn't matter what the team did. What can I, what, what could I have done better that day to be more accountable, to light a fire in my team, to, to create a better, uh, whatever it was on the side like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, yeah. You immediately have to look at yourself in the mirror and, and, and aggressively attack yourself, you know, and, and, yeah, it'll make you feel better knowing that, you know, you dissect it and you've done even more to better yourself, to be more prepared, to be more accountable. You'll feel better about the next opportunity. Yeah. And even as it translates and for both you guys, you know, Jay, you retired Travis, you know, at some point you will, but like that, all that does translate into other parts you're life beyond. Yeah. Keep going, baby. Keep going. To the last moment, literally, to the last moment. But like, I've been around great entrepreneurs as well. And I would say that attitude where they put everything back on themselves is, is, makes them very successful business too. Yeah. So like, people who are the, I've seen, and very fortunate again to be around some amazing businessmen. And like, I see the way they approach that way. And they're like, I got to do better. I got to motivate him more. I got to do this. I got to understand that better. I got to make that decision. And I would sit there going, oh, my, that sounds like like the crazy part that I was. Right. But that's actually the only way it works. Yeah. You know, it's the only way that businesses work. It's the only way relationships work. It's the only way football teams work. It's the only way hockey teams work. It's like everyone work hard, half humility, half self awareness. Know you could do better. Believe me. Football, you never, how many games have you guys walked out and go, well, I was perfect today. Like, man, that was amazing. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, we all have the opportunity to be better. Well, let's talk about some, some teammates of yours, big guy. I got, I got to hear you talk about Grunk, man. He's one of, he's been one of my favorite players since he's gotten to the league. Your guys' chemistry is unbelievable. Just how he enjoys the game and how he, how he lives life, man. I've always admired the guy from the distance, man. But what was your first impression of Grunk when he got to New England? Yeah. I mean, at that point, there was like a big expectation of our team when he got there. Like, we had been, we had like a good 10 year run. And I think we needed a big refresh of energy and Grunk brought it. He was like free, fun loving, like, you know, Grunk, you know, how he is and how you see him anywhere is how he's one of the most authentic people you ever be around. And like football's hard, you know, but Grunk always found a way to bring, you know, kind of light to it. I mean, he, Grunk was really unique. You know, I think Grunk was the greatest blocking tight end in history. Yeah. Grunk could handle defensive ends. He was at the point of attack in the run game like, we didn't care. We would rather go to Grunk than the open side tackle a lot of time. That's crazy. Yeah. And so that's a really underrated part of his game. And then as a pass catcher, you know, he was, he was never going to be like the twitchiest. So, but he's straight line when he would run seam routes or, you know, middle reads or flag routes. He was off the charts. So there was just part of his game that was, it was very natural for him. He was really a natural athlete. And I think we are environment kind of kept him really serious, which I think that's probably a good thing for him in the end. Yeah. Because I think if he was on another team where the coach let him get away with a lot of stuff, Grunk maybe would have veered a little that way, but I think our team kind of made him, you know, a little more confined and he's still had a great time. But man, I think he really, a lot of folks in New England, then other times, it's all about balance. Sometimes when you have a team that's so like very straight line, having a guy like Grunk, lighting it every once or all whatnot, you need that too, right? Totally. Mike Brable was like that when he was at the age of like, yeah, great man. graves cut it loose. Yeah, like Randy Moss was like that. Matt Light was one of the most, you know, the funniest guys I've ever been around. He kept it light for everybody. So. Yeah. Matt's been on, I don't know if he's been on Julian and Gronk's podcast a couple of times. I've never really talked to the guy, but some of the clips coming out. I mean, he's, this would be a fun teammate to be around for sure. You guys got to get him on your show at some point. He's, he's one of a kind. He's an amazing, amazing player in teammate. Was there any other tight end that you've ever seen like Gronk? Is he like a one of one because of his ability and to your credit, like Connor Barron, who I play with him Philly and in college, he said the same thing years ago about Gronk. Like he's like, dude, like normally we go up against a tight end. We're salivating. Like we have like whether he's going to be in Passport or the run game. You do not get blocked by the tight end. And Gronk was one guy where he's like, he's the another guy will his man handling the ends in a lot of times too. Like you would think, you would think that like he loved blocking. And I think because he didn't want to go out and run a lot of rounds. He would be so tired. And he's like, hey, just keep being a run behind me. Like I like that. And then he'd be like just body and people. And then he would be like, he'd be totally cool with that. But he was pretty unique. Like I really, you know, early on my career, I had Dan Graham who was a really good run blocker. Ben Watson. I had Kyle Brady in 2007. And then we had a little stretch. Ben, Ben was still there in 2009. And Ben was really strong and really athletic, but just wasn't at the point of attack as good as Gronk. And then, and then we got Gronk and Gronk was a dominating tight end. And then when we didn't have Gronk, I, I was a quarterback for the first time in my career realized, oh, shit. Like we lose those matchups all the time. Like not only is it not neutral, it's a loss. And now everything's to the open side or now you're flashing the tight end back all the time. And again, it just limits what you're able to do. And look, that's life in the NFL. I mean, you're never, not everyone's good at everything. I mean, you've got a game plan. And that's what good coaches do. You got to, you know, everyone's got to, and if you're an elite pass catcher, that's amazing. You're going to be on the field a lot. You know, sometimes if you're really good at run blocking and a really good pass catcher, you know, you could be a great player. Oh, yes. Well, he, he was the jack of all trades and he was a dream piece for any offensive coordinator, both in the run game and pass game. He had a little bit of like a skip to my Lou. And he played with his tempo in his routes. Yeah. Like a lot of his like deep, deep crosses or a lot of his in breaking routes. Or if he had a soft coverage on it, he would play with his tempo. And, and it made him feel faster in his routes. Then I learned so much from just watching him just run like deep crosses or or deep cross like a basic routes or even, even out routes and stuff like that. But it's, it's, there's only so much you can do when you watch Grunk in terms of like trying to incorporate it into your game. Because the guy just had such a, like a, a gift and like a feel for the run game that it just, it was, it's one of a kind man. And, and his ability to get the inside hands. He has long arms. He's always been strong as an ox. Yeah. And just the physicality to get into a bar fight every single play is it's one of a kind man. Do you have a favorite Grunk story? Yeah. I do. It's kind of hard. I got a good one. I got a good one. I got to go. All right. So Grunk, like, Grunk is, he's, okay, Grunk's, I love Grunk. Grunk didn't ever work. You know, like a lot of receivers, Titans will work on catching drills. Yeah. So like, you know, afterwards hit the jugs machine. You know, a hundred catches and all the receivers did it. Julian would come at like six in the morning and throw tennis balls off the wall and do one hand drills. I never saw Grunk ever do any catcher drill ever. And I would throw the ball into every ball like throw to Grunk. Like he'd have these big white gloves, right? And we put his hands up like this. It looked like the top of a trash can. And he would run towards the field and, and he would go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, say it's like a small in his face. And I throw it in it with, the ball would just abs, the ball would just stick to his hands, right? So one day it's like his, it's like third year in the league, all right? And we're at practice. And I throw him a ball and it like hits like the palm of his hands and like falls on the ground. And Grunk looks at me and is like, what, what was that? So he goes Tommy. Tommy the ball again. And it was like he gained his confidence. And by the way, the rest of the career I never saw him do a catcher drill. There you go. So it was like, there was, there was a drill right there. A five-second loss of confidence. In a receiver's career. And it was like, I'll never forget it. He was just like so love a ball. And you're like, come here, man. You're fucking, you're unbelievable. The laughing while he's running full speed is the most grunk thing I've ever like felt. 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And of course, at that time, I'm like, I don't know, I got not like I'm the general manager, anything like and he showed up and they're like, Tommy, Randy, the Randy's here. So I went saw him. He's like, yo, man, I love love the way you play, man. I want to like, I want to figure out how to make it happen. And of course, I'm like, all right, like, why are you talking to me? I love that too, but you know, and then sure enough, yeah, like the trade goes down in '07. And we got Randy and all of a sudden, it was like, well, what can you know, a lot of saying, well, he's done. What can he do? He comes into OTAs and he wasn't in the best of shape in OTAs, like, you know, probably not most. He probably had a few years in Oakland where, you know, it wasn't the most motivated. So probably didn't get the best out of him. So he's kind of getting guarded by some people in OTAs by like some guys he shouldn't be guarded by. And I'm kind of like, when is he going to turn it on? Right. Also, we get to training camp and we run the conditioning test. And Randy comes, he takes a shirt off. He's lean like rain shake. He's running the conditioning test like a deer. All of a sudden, we get out there. It's like probably like the second week of training camp and we run a flea flicker. And Randy's the intended receiver. And I throw it literally as far as I can. And Randy's running, he beats the safety. And Randy would always kind of lolly at the Lennon Scrimmage. And he would always just watch the safety. So he lolly at the safety. And as soon as the safety either came forward or flatfooted, then Randy would just get the gas. So Randy hits the gas. I throw it as far as I can. Randy opens up and just as he's sticking his arm out, he grabs his hamstring. And tweaks his hammy. So he misses the rest of the training camp doesn't play a preseason game. And now it's like, all right, week one, we still don't know what Randy can do. And we go out there against the jets in week one. And we had this play. The Revis wasn't. Revis wasn't. Revis was, That was Revis' Roqueer. Yeah, was Revis' Roqueer. So we start the game, Randy. He catches a few balls, and then there was a ball in the sideline. He kind of ran like, I don't know what you call it, but like a deep out route, but kind of you stem it in, you stem it up the field, and then you run to the sides. It's probably 18 to 20 yard throw. And they had a good rush on, and I could feel the rush coming, and I knew Randy was running an outbreaker. So I kind of like, just as I was getting hit, I threw it. And as I was going to the ground, of course, you can't see anything. And I'm thinking, all right, I kind of was throwing it out of bounds. And all of a sudden, I hear the crowd go, and I looked up, and I was like, he caught that. And when you see the highlight, he catches it outside of the frame, he's over his head, and he taps his feet. And what should have been just a foul ball, he ends up, it's like a 20 yard gain. And at that point, I was like, this shit's going to be different here, and I threw a few balls. And I was like, oh my god, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm going to throw it out of bounds. So I was like, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm going to throw it out of bounds, I'm going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, I'm not going to throw it out of bounds, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Randy had a long neck, you know, because he was tall, so he could kind of turn his neck because the guys are really thick in the traps and don't have a long neck, it's really hard for them to turn their head, you know, when you turn your head, you take the slowdown. That's why Jason's golf swing so tight. Stop, stop it. That's such a unique skill set. Crazy. It really is, man. And you know who had a Tyree Kale is another one. Oh, my God, he didn't have that stride that the two we were just talking about Deshan. It was different. But he, but his ability to find the ball and to, and to meet it down is second and none too. Grab, you must have seen some crazy plays and practice from him. No, it's insane. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah. I told everybody the year we got him, I think he was, he was a fifth or sixth round pick. And the first day we got him, it was like a little seven on seven in the OTAs. And he caught, he caught like just like a flat router. Like it was like a bubble slam RPO and he just, he was the bubble. He caught the bubble. Nobody got within two arms. Link's up and he just ran down the sideline. And I'm just sitting here like. We just got the most electric player in the job. Like it was insane dog and his ability. And you already know a lot of the, a lot of the practice reps in is just like what you were saying. Just testing out how, how far a quarterback can throw it in which he like we can connect down field. If he can track it and see in the plays that him and my homes would make an OTAs or a training camp. And just testing the waters to see, you know, how far we could go. I mean, it's insane. I remember you guys played the chargers. Maybe week one of that year and you were at that little home depot center. Oh, whatever. The soccer stadium. The soccer stadium. And he caught a slant route. It was that and cribbed it. And I was like, oh my god, hit the 200. I was like, who? Yeah. Oh, I got a good story about that. So we play you guys one year. And Bill was like, all right, the calls on third down are one double Travis, one double 87. And we, we didn't double Tyreek and Tyreek went for like 200 plus that game. And you guys beat us. And Bill came in the next day. He says, we're doubling Tyreek. And we're not going to let him go for 200 on us. So it was like back and forth on third down who we're doubling. And it's so, I mean, it's kind of cool for us because you do see like, I mean, most NFL players are obviously supremely talented. And then every once in a while, you see someone who is just a little more talented than everybody else. And you go, man, that is a special talent. That's crazy. Yes. And a lot of times it just stands out immediately. Oh, yeah, right away. Like Aaron Donald is a past rusher. I mean, is like everyone and then Aaron Donalds. Yes. You know, everyone then Randy Moss, everyone and then Daryl Reedus, everyone and then Ray Lewis. You know, everyone and then Ed Reed. It's like, even there's a hall of fame. And then to me, there's like one player that's like even better than every hall of fame. Deanna Sanders says it best, man. You guys got to find another hall for me to be in. Yeah. I love Brian when he says that. I mean, it really is true. I think there's very few players that aren't like, it's not scheme dependent. It's not like, it doesn't matter who's on their team. Like that guy would have been the best of all time regardless of where he was and who he was with. Yeah. That's like a whole nother realm of football player. I got to ask you about one more one more teammate, man. One of my favorite of all time. The every where he goes. He wins. Joe Tune. Oh my god. Big Tune, man. You got to tell you got any good Tune stories. I got a lot. Yeah. I call it. I just call him Looney Tunes. Joe was like, I think like a third round pick for us and he played tackle at NC State. We moved in the guard. Started as a rookie. We had a great align coach. Yeah. Dante. Scar Nekia. And Dante was just, I can't say enough good things about him. Like, what he taught me, what he taught the offense. He gave the line so much confidence. And like, you know, five guys in there, you guys all play together. He gave that line confidence through his techniques, but also everything was black and white with scar. There was no gray area. This is how we're doing it. And okay, if we can't get it that way, I'll change it. But we're going to and everyone was so decisive and they played well together. And Joe just came in and he embraced all that. He had, you know, David Andrews was next to him a few times as a center. I mean, he was just the perfect guard. size, strength. You know, probably he didn't have the longest arms, but it didn't matter, you know, but we moved into a tackle one game and he was like, I've never played tag. I don't know. I and Dante said, listen, just fucking kick gets an adjunction point punch. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like, it was like, okay, that's all I gotta do. Just give us the change. Maybe that's all I know. And then, yeah, I mean, he, he, he, he's just, he was a captain and he's just, he always did the right thing. I mean, it was like, no, he showed up. He was, you know, he sweated his ass off. And he just, he was the constant pro and he should be a champion. He still is. He's, he's just a great player, great guy. We miss him as a teammate out there in KC, man. He's one of my favorite of all time. And we actually moved them to tackle for an entire season. And, and he took us to the Super Bowl, the last move. Well, it wasn't the whole season, the end of the season. Yeah, it was. Yeah. But, yeah, through the playoffs and everything. Yeah, exactly. Um, we got to ask you another one of our favorites, Jules, tell us about how does he go from like special team, but was it quarterback at Ken State? To be a, yeah, the Max and baby. He was running the Mac, dude. What? Tell us that story. So, he signed with the same agent that I had. So I knew who he was. Uh, Donnie and Steve Duke and who are agents. And he was from the Bay Area. So he grew up like five minutes from where I grew up. And all of a sudden, we got back and Billy O'Brien was like, Hey, we're sending, you know, we're going down the check this kid off from Ken State. And I was like, of course, so he ends up being a punt returner, uh, to get started. We have, we have West already at that position when we got Julian. So, of course, my, I mean, West was one of like the greatest teammates I ever had, one of the greatest receivers ever to play in football West. Look at West's six-year stretch with us. It was unmatched. I mean, he was incredible. And Julian comes in and he's got a chance to learn from West, but we didn't really need Julian that much because we had someone in that position. Yeah. But Julian just had a chip on his shoulder, you know, he was, and he worked his ass off, you know, Julian had one of the greatest work ethics of anyone ever seen. And he, okay, so the difference is this, when you play quarterback, like Julian did in college, the ball was in his hand. and now he could do something with it. When you play receiver, you have to do something to get the ball in your hands. You don't line up behind the offensive line like the running backs do. So to learn to be a receiver, to learn how to run a route, to learn how to get open, to learn how your footwork, that's like an incredibly difficult skill set. And it took him years to figure it out. And to Julian's credit, 2009, he played really what we played a playoff game. We got our ass kicked against the Ravens. Julian was the best player on the field that day for our team. And 2010, he didn't play much. 2011, he broke his arm, didn't play much. 2012, West was still there so he didn't play that much. And then finally, 2013 came, after four years, he played defense. He played punt returner. And then he just, he got way better at running routes. And again, just tenacious tough, like Julian had juice every day. And, you know, he was just, he built himself into one of the greatest players of Patriots ever had. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's awesome, man. >> Is there something about that body type that like short sawed off white guy that's just, >> Yeah. >> Let's feed him just moving quicker. We're going to get an option round on a guy in the slot. >> Yeah. >> And they're not going to be able to redirect this quick, is this guy? Like, you know what? >> In some ways, Jay, it was like, because okay, our team was built differently than a lot of others. We didn't always have the highest paid players. In fact, when a lot of guys would have a chance to get free into contracts, they'll would, you know, trade those guys and let them get paid somewhere else. And then we'd have to replace them with lesser talented players. One position that's unique in the NFL is receiver. >> Yeah. >> Like, Jamar Chase makes 40 million year. T Higgins makes 30. Tyree Kill was making almost 30. We didn't have those players. So we had to like, find production from other areas and slot receivers in the NFL don't get paid top dollar for receiver. So in a way, we paired like this team kind of receiver group with some rookies and some, I would say more roll type players that receiver because we had these inside players all call them that played tighter the formation that could still be very productive because they had great routries and they were very dead, maybe not vertical speed as fast as vertical speed, but they had short area quickness and that short area quickness is what the game's all about. I would argue, would you rather be fast or have great short area quickness? I'd rather short area quickness football is a game of quickness, not speed, not timing. >> We can be on the same time and get shit done more with that short area quickness and getting that like showing color and getting open over the middle of field, especially for the tight ends and the inside receivers. >> And Trav, you're 6'5, I mean 250, 255 and you have twitchiness, you had size, length, you had did have speed and you did have, they couldn't arm tackle you and you had twitchiness, your footwork is more like a slot receiver than is a tight end. So there's a reason why you got open a lot like Antonio Gates always. >> Man, your game was probably a lot like him. We're running out of time, we got to get this last section, we got to ask, we're going to start off back in March, you also became part of the JP Morgan Chase Athletic Council. Can you tell us more about this? >> Yeah, I was, got asked to be on a council with JP Morgan to try to influence and educate athletes to make better financial decisions and you know a lot of us grow up and look we're good athletes and we try our best in school but a lot of us are a little bit underdeveloped when it comes to managing our money, making good decisions, creating budgets and it was put together, Jalen Brunson's there, Asia Wilson, Dwayne Wade are just a few of the people involved, Megan Rapinoe, just there's a really great group of people, I'm missing on some others, sorry about that, but we kind of came together and we're creating opportunities for athletes for financial literacy and it's pretty cool just for us to make a difference in other people's lives and a lot of us are blessed with people that give us great advice some people aren't so we want to be that place where people go to say okay, how do I make sure that I don't finish my playing career and not have any money? >> No, seriously and it's becoming an even bigger issue with like the NIL and kids are getting paid earlier and earlier and a lot of these kids in college they've never seen any type of like I learned most of this stuff in college right and they're getting money before they've ever talked to anybody about it so this is awesome man, very, very worthy of it. >> Yeah, I spent all of my first check and we read every second and didn't have anything to show for it, all of them went to rent and fucking, yeah, shit that I don't even have any worry about. >> Yeah, no, I didn't even have a car, I stole Jason's car, I always spent a money on Wade Dumber shit than that, he's a car where he got me to the facility on time, no that's awesome stuff man and you already know that it's something that's even bigger now with the college, how much they're making in college and things like that like Jason said but we have to ask man, have you seen the clip, we had a guy Ben Affleck come on the show, one of our favorites, he mentioned the story about playing catch with you, do you have you seen that clip, we could probably find it here but do you know what he's talking about? >> Do this day, aside from the birth of my children, that was the greatest thing, I was like, dude are you, he's like I need someone to play catch with, happen to me on vacation at the same place with him. >> So this was legit, this was his legit is it gets? >> That should be it. >> Yeah, no wait Tom get ready for the scene, how much I was helping him, I think he was like he was like I'm going to blow the stews down the wall, I remember we were at Baker's Bay together, this was, yeah, I needed someone to catch me and we're getting ready for football season. >> Hell yeah. >> And I was down there was the summer, it was quiet and I'm like, hey, you know, can you catch you know, and he's like I can catch you know, I'm like all right let's go. >> So I got all these balls, I'm on that big field, Travis, I don't know if you saw that. >> Yeah, I'm on the big field, they got to paint it and I'm like all right, let's see what you got, you know, and you're a big, he's obviously a big patriot, love the Red Sox and I had known Ben for a while and I'm like all right, here we go. And finally I remember getting to the end and I was like I want to put a little pressure on him, see what they all happen and I was like all right, fork down, you know, super balls on the line, you know, I'm calling your number, this is the route where I think it was a flag route I gave him and like I'm going to throw it see if you catch it and he got run in and I put it up there and he stretched his arm out and he caught it and it was, you know, for all of us. I mean, can you imagine like us as kids just thinking we're going to get paid to play football and, you know, throw passes and then, you know, think about Ben, he's thinking, you know, going to make movies but then he's out there with his patriot player and I don't know man, life is crazy for all the time. >> I was just going to say, did you know he was that big of a moment for him? I mean, all of us have that sports fandom growing up of like doing that with the in the moment with the guys that are doing it, like I can only imagine how he felt. >> You have these perspective moments and like I think I was, I remember being out on the field. This is late in my career and I would have, you know, they do like those charity gavels and they give away like throwing sessions. >> Oh yeah. >> And that once they give it out like all right, come catch passes with Grunk, you know, and Grunk's going to run around and he's going to teach you the art of receiving and the guy paid like 200 grand, you know, I'll pay for an hour and do that. It was great, you know, donate the money to charity and then I'm sitting there like I, they pay me to throw balls to Grunk, you know what I mean? And to throw balls to Julian and to throw balls to like, they pay me for that, like never forget, you're getting balls from Patrick Mahomes, like people would dream and he's throwing balls to Travis Kelsey. Like, let's never forget that type of perspective because when we were kids, we didn't ever have that, you know, growing up like it was our dream to do this and now they're paying you to do it and they're paying you to do it with other people who are, you know, the best in the world at what they do. So I just. >> We've been dreaming, baby. >> Yeah, exactly. It's a great perspective to keep. >> I'd be remiss if we get out of this interview without bringing up the old ballcoats. We didn't talk, we haven't talked about Bill one time yet. >> Yeah. >> So many things, and this started happening while you guys were still in the league. Like, is it Bill? Is it Tom? Like, who is responsible for the greatest era of success in the history of the NFL? What, how do you react to those kind of, I guess, click baby arguments as well as like, what do you think of Bill and what he meant for your success? >> First of all, I think he used the greatest coach that, you know, ever, a greatest head coach, in terms of preparing a team to win. There was nobody better. I was my privilege to play for him as his quarterback. There's no coach I'd rather choose him. I think it's like a dumb, it's just a dumb analogy. It's like, what's more important, the left tackle or the center? Like, I don't know. >> Well, left tackle. >> Will you be honest with that one? >> No, no, no. >> I disagree. I disagree. >> Yeah. >> I think, I think from like the coach quarterback, there's nobody more important to winning Monday through Saturday than the head coach. Especially in football. >> Especially in football. And there's nobody more important on Sunday than the quarterback. Now everybody's important. The person who washes the clothes is important. The person who drives the bus is important. The quarterback just has an outsized kind of ability to help the team win because he touches the ball so much. But I need everybody to do their job. But if you have bad quarterback play, it doesn't matter what else you do, you're not going to win. And if you have bad coaching, it doesn't matter how well the players are doing, you're going to lose. So the tactics from the coach and the accountability, and I think the head coach is the chief accountability officer of a team too, that the tactics are extremely important trap. You could run great route into the wrong coverage and not get the ball. You have an OC that draws up bad plays because he can't be coverages. It doesn't matter what you now. You'll ad lib and you'll be like, no, not running out. You know we're going to make him happen, no, maybe you're never going to be really covered. I have you covered off paper, but you're definitely going to find some color to throw the ball too. So I just think that question is like, they're all important. And I couldn't have, there's no way I could have been the player I was without him. And I think we pushed each other to get the best out of each other. And I think he's just, he's incredible. Anyone who played underneath him would say the same thing. All the famers should have been first ball at man. It's crazy. One of the most respected ever to fucking do it, man. I got to ask you, you got one of my former teammates recently in New England, all right? I know now you're a raider, but you're kind of always a patriot. What is the key, who knows what happened with the relationship with Jalen and AJ, that's kind of between them, but for you as a quarterback, how do you manage receivers and their happiness and being involved in the offense and all that stuff? What is that from your role? It's very difficult. I think that's the only position on offense that requires a lot of extra energy and attention because the running backs are going to touch the ball. The line they're going to be engaged in every play. The tight ends runner pass, you're going to be engaged in every play. It's the receivers who stand, you know, 25 yards from the ball, you know, just talking smack with the DB trying to figure out, all right, I ran my ass off and didn't get the ball. And how do I stay locked in and committed to the team when I don't touch the ball? And it's a hard thing, like they're working hard to get the ball and they don't get it. So they get frustrated so easy and I almost think like when I see these NFL law seasons, I think I swear to God, I think now this is just deja vu. I've been seeing the same shit since 2000 when I came into the league, you know, this guy goes gets, you know, this guy gets in trouble, he's arrested, this guy gets cut, this guy gets treated. This guy's on half the receiver, you know, I mean, it's like, it's, it's, it's like real housewives of the NFL and it's like, it's the same script and it's like over and we just, that position, it's like, I almost want to like the psychology of receiver. I almost want to say, like, you're going to catch 110 balls this year, okay? You're 17 games. You're a great receiver. You're going to catch 110 balls. One game you're going to get 11 and one game you're going to get three. And the next game you're probably going to get 11, then you're going to three. I can't have you, like the happiest guy in the world when you catch 11 or the most miserable guy on the team when you catch three. We got to look at it over the course of year. You got to sustain because it is a lot of emotional energy that you put out to that position to go, come on, come on, we got it, come on, stay locked me and let's go because I need you. Come on. And it's like, that position takes away. If you have that volatile emotional output, it takes a lot of energy from a lot of people to keep that player really stable. So you got to like try to reframe it for them and just say, listen, like you may get three, but you're going to get 11 or you might get 11, 11, 11 and then, you know, three through, it's just the way it goes. If they're doubling Travis, you're in touch in the ball. That's the reality. If they're butching you at the line of scrimmage with a defensive end and they've got, you know, some ridiculous athlete top view, yeah, but it frees it out for other people and you got to be cool with that. So, I mean, it's, that is a, as we're going to see it again this year, you know, who's the next unhappy receiver? And I understand it. I mean, that's fine. I don't want to be involved in the game, you know, and as you want to be involved, I covered a lot of those Eagles games, you know, and that, that passing offense isn't, that's not what that team's known for, you know. So now he's actually going to a team where they are more known for their passing offense. So there, you know, there will be maybe a little more satisfaction from him from that standpoint. We want to get you out of here. We got one more question. We always ask everybody that comes on. What was your welcome to the NFL moment? Oh, man, there's a lot of those. I, I had one, probably in Buffalo, I was scrambling up the right side line in Nate Clements from Ohio State. He was a quarterback. He was a big physical corner and I slid late and he knocked the shit out of me. Oh my God. Oh my God. I got up. Hell, man. I was looking around. I was looking around and I got taught in college like get your ass up. Don't ever let the defenders. You know, no, you're Yeah, and I was like got up and I was like holy shit No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can only imagine the face you were making like it's the sometimes That's right and I figured all out Time cannot thank you enough. We really appreciate you coming on. This is an all-time or for us all-time or man We can't thank you enough. Thank you. Appreciate the time the stories dog. You're the best, dude Yeah, I love you guys good luck with everything and we'll see soon, okay? Yes, sir sounds good Alrighty, thank you to Tom Brady once again this conversation was brought to you by Exfinity try and I told you I saw him earlier this year He's just the fucking best and every he's just so he's so good with like words. Yeah Did he does that come with Michigan? I mean, I see you get that tip. I mean he's pro. Yeah, I mean Michigan does probably I didn't get that And like I've always heard from everybody how like just intense he is and like how much he cares and like The type of player he was yeah, and he's still like that like you need him Tap the bed like he is so engaged in the conversation. He loves football so much talking about it his teammates His time and he's so good at articulating all these themes in what made him successful. Yeah, those team successful There's so many good bits on what he said that you could just you could fucking just all you high school kids out there Well listen to what he said man Don't be a negative Nancy or bringing that weak ass energy into the into the building or into the into school in the life And it's just so hard because he's so damn good looking. I try to listen to what he's saying And I'm just like what the fuck is happening. How are you the best football player of all time a model? Do you see him on the runway the other day? Yeah, he's literally walking down the runway looks just like a model Gucci How many gifts can one man have? I don't know, but I got popular being a dumbass Ditto Even dumbass That's um that was incredible. Awesome moment to take them on the show. Oh yeah, um now We're gonna send it to some exclusive live show clips. That's right This clip of our live no-dom questions is brought to you by enterprise We're gonna get some no-dom questions Let's go We think the next I mean we think the jet jag tag might be a little too depressing. So how about Nick's Jake? Here we go. What do you got for us in the no-dom questions category? Here we go first. I'll be Charlotte Okay, so okay So I have two younger brothers. They're 10 and 14 and I swear they never let me live anything down So if you could permanently ban your brother from telling one embarrassing story about you, what would it be? Wow man, all right It's permanently banned my brother from telling one embarrassing story about me I feel like everyone already knows my embarrassing stories. Jason doesn't really get embarrassed He just showed it that he Set in dog shit and then What we showed it was just like hey guys look at this. I don't even get a chance to tell an embarrassing story about Jason And to be fair We don't really embarrass each other that much. I would say I would say he usually teased up the opportunity for me to tell a story Where I embarrassed myself So I'll tell you guys oh So not too long ago, but Sure, yeah, all right. All right. Well, it's not that bad. It's just embarrassing. I have face blanks. You guys know I have face blindness Yeah, well, this is an episode of face blindness I go to I go to New York and there's a there's a huge Festival music festival out in the Hamptons and I'm a huge music lover as you guys know I go with a bunch of guys from New York in the in the money world So it's like a connection and like finances and I'm thinking that I'm gonna be around a bunch of guys and finances at this music festival So I get up there and I immediately start having beverages It's kind of the thing the Kelsey way of going about things and I get shit-faced Get shit-faced don't even really know who's on who's performing at the concert. I'm just kind of up there like hey You got any more tequila and A guy comes up and and says dude Buffett's here He wants to meet you. I'm like, oh shit. That's big money I'm like I am way too hammered to say hello to this guy I started talking finances, oh my god, I have to go there. Get it together, get a water, where's the water? So I get a water, I go over to meet Buffett, I'll shake his hand, and man, we have the best conversation I've ever had in my life. The man is literally smiling from the ear to ear, I'm thinking I'm going to be rich here soon. He's going to invite me in all of his investments, and he starts telling a story in high school when he picked up the guitar for the first time. And I was like, right to his face, no way, Warren Buffett played the guitar? And his face went from smiling ear to ear to not smiling at all, and then got tapped on the shoulder because he had to go sing Margaritaville. So I was his biggest cheerleader singing Margaritaville on the side. So I have an episode of Face Blindness, at least once a month, and that was my, that was me mistaking Jimmy Buffett, the late grade unbelievable Jimmy Buffett for thinking Warren Buffett was going to be at a music festival in the Hamptons. That's probably the most embarrassing story I have for you guys, that Jason doesn't sell, but he loves the tea that I want to offer. I love that story so much. Thank you very much. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Next up is Tara. Hi guys, my name is Tara. I am from Vegas, bye. Right. I don't know. I'm really calm. Very fine. I'm of a lot of Vegas. Oh, yes. I'm a kindergarten teacher in Vegas, but, uh, you're teaching them how to play Black Jack and now. You know what? Gotta start young. Gotta start young. I'm from Vegas, but I'm originally from Wickliffe, Ohio. Oh, the Wickliffe. I love it. Right down the street. Well, yes, I used to live directly next door to Aunt Judy. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. That's your trap. I know, Aunt Judy. That's me, oh, God. That's me, oh, God. So where are the guys at? The festival right behind the-- Oh, I went to our Lady of Mark Carmel School. How about it? She's not lying. What year is this? What year is this? It's legit. What year is this? Did you see us come through that neighborhood? Yeah. My mom tells me stories about your dad would bring you guys over and to Aunt Judy's and Randi's and-- That's right. Yep. So-- This is down memory lane. I appreciate you guys appreciating this connection. I know. We are bonding. We are bonding. Is there a question? You're right. Yes. Yes, yes. No. And I just wanted to know. Do you remember back in the day going to Aunt Judy's and visiting and possibly two little girls that live next door that you hung out with? Because we did. Oh man. Come on. No pressure. No pressure. Who's Aunt Judy? You're Aunt Judy. Yes. My mom's name was Donna too. Or Is Donna. Sorry. She did not. But yeah, my mom's name was-- sorry, mom. Sorry, mom. But my mom's name was Donna as well. But we-- We're trying to remember the other girls seriously. Do you remember two little girls who were visiting me? So-- Yeah, I think there was a number of people in that block area that we knew. Very true. And there was a lot of kids. There's definitely like families in that neighborhood. Yes. So, yes. I remember them vividly. Yes. So-- See, I am going to use this time to shout out Aunt Judy. We have one of the best aunts of all time and-- Yeah. And Uncle Donna is here as well. We got some unbelievable aunts. And I will say this going over to Aunt Judy's was one of the most exciting times every time because Aunt Judy spoiled the living shit out of us. She spoiled the shit out of us every time every time because Aunt Judy spoiled the living shit out of us every time every time every time because Aunt Judy spoiled the living shit out of us every time because Aunt Judy spoiled the living shit out of us every time. We love it. Thank you very much. One more. We'll do one more later. All right. Thanks, Jake. Jake, you got another uh, no no question for me. Oh, there we go. We have two more no no dumb questions for you guys. First up is Sarah. Hello, I'm Sarah from Texas. Nice to be on. Let's go. My question is, if you were followed around for 24 hours, what is the habit that would shock people the most? Mom? That would shock people the most. Um, maybe how much deodorant I put on? You put on a lot? Yeah, I mean, I'm a spray deodorant guy, but I'm like, I noticed it in the uh, the green room. And then it's like, that's not the only place I have hair. Yeah. So then I'll go, this is all this all makes so much more sense. I'm kidding. Nobody does that, right? Um, what is a disgusting habit for Jason? I just don't know. Everybody knows, um, I don't use shampoo. Oh, what? Kylie, at one point said, if you you're making me break out in acne because you're not shivering. I don't know. I'm a hotspots guy. Hotspots. Hotspots. Hotspots. All right. Well, there you go. It's pits. This and that. That's it. And this is no dumb questions, ladies and gentlemen. The questions that mean absolutely nothing that you'll learn way too much about somebody and you can have ever imagined you should go on and get our no dumb questions book. Do you guys know that we were authors? Yeah. Yeah. That's one of my most proud there it is right there. I cannot read or write, but I got a book. What do we got next? Uh, we have a no dumb question from a familiar face. This is Kason from Texas. Oh, Kicks is a mask. Kays, I know you a little bit. So I got the the Jess Jake pin up tattoo. For those of you. There you go. Yeah, get that thing. Look at here. There we go. Oh, he looks so much happier in a nicks hat. So my no dumb question was I was wondering since the Cowboys won the the Chief's Thanksgiving game. Oh, fuck. Thank you. Thank you for the ticket. I appreciate it. The man asked his question. Let the man ask his question. They cheated and you know they did. Thank you for the tickets, but we had a bet. And if y'all won, I would get you on my other thigh. But I was thinking since, uh, I didn't know that. Since, since they won and I got the Jess Jake pin up tattoo. Could I chuck a beer with you guys? Oh, no. That's my shit. The consequences, choking beers. I'm a limer original. Lime. All right, these boys have been on ice. All right, I feel a little. I'm gonna go air towards this way, Kason. I don't want this thing falling. Here we go. We're ready. All right, we just need to chuck out. We just need a nice little gentleman's jug. Whatever you want. Are we doing, are we doing a check off? What? All right, how are we doing this, Jake? You got a whistle or something? Uh, 321, 321, are we on go? Are you going 321 go? 321 go. All right, ready? 321 go. You're out of your game, little brother. Was that as good as the pin up tattoo or no? That was great. I appreciate it, y'all. Once again, shout out. Thank you for supporting and sponsoring the live show. Yes. Nothing parties like a rental. 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