Toast Meets World: Tuesday, September 8th, 2026

Good morning girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jax and Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast and happy Tuesday that feels like a Monday because it is the start of something new. That's right, fall is here, the Toast returns, summer break ends and Jax and Claude are back in their bi-coastal transatlantic pink frame setup. Hey Jax, how you doing? I'm doing amazing. I seriously missed the Toast so much. I did too, but more specifically, like I missed this Toast. I missed, let me get specific, I missed this Toast, I missed this chair, I missed this set, I missed the swirly, I love swirly summer, but sayonara swirly summer, like seriously, sayonara, hello Pargy Fall. See you never, swirly summer, hello Pargy Fall, we have so much to discuss. I'm bursting, I do not know how people watch television and don't have a podcast. I know, I guess they like talk about it with their friends. You just keep your opinions to yourself? No, I think they like make TikToks and perhaps chat with friends, both IRL and digitally. Yeah, but I'm talking about the people who don't make TikToks because they are, they have the outlet, like we do, a place to share their thoughts. We haven't even, and just this goes without saying, if you're a member of the DTQ, like we will see you tomorrow, like DTFN, Tata for now. We haven't even discussed like offline, what are we talking about today? If you're looking for like in-depth analysis on Hayden Panettiere, Dolly Parton, all like the big news that happened over the course, my recap of Devil Wears Prada 2. We did two pop culture episodes on our Patreon. John Galeano, if you really want to know our thoughts. And we did good John Galeano content. We did. We did really good. That's on Patreon. There are only a couple of subjects that we will be talking about again today. Megxit return, of course. Megxit, you guys, I don't care. Actually, I did say it would be the first story, no matter what happened in the world. But Alex Earle is the first story. Of course she is. And Megxit is the second story. I'll tell you what the stories are, just to like tease everyone. But also like- Yeah, I know we have Dancing with the Stars. That's something we haven't covered yet. Yes, Dancing with the Stars cast, this Elizabeth Holmes documentary that just like broke the internet yesterday. Everybody cares so much. So I felt like we had to- You can skip that one if there's something else. Then Love Island Reunion, we must discuss. Oh, can I watch? Okay. And KJ Bierman and his sodomy charges. So I wanted to make sure that Biermans were on the docket because while we are the official Meghan and Harry Watchdog Podcast, for many years we were the Bierman Zolciak Watchdog Podcast. And I have a lot to say. So I'm glad that we have that. And then also- Dancing with the Stars? We have Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, but you said that. So we're covered. And then also anything else that comes up along the way. Like, it's a loose Fast Five. It's really just like everything that we need to discuss, the major things. Where does Alex Earle like fall into the Fast Five? Number one story. Oh, okay, okay. Earle meets world recap. Everything that has happened with Alex Earle since we last spoke is our number one story. She's the number one girl of the moment. That was probably the hardest part of break was there being so much Alex Earle news when I consider myself the official Alex Earle Watchdog influencer. However, the show came out on Friday. So like we would only be talking about it today anyway. And it gave us enough time to watch. So, but like the name on everybody's lips is Alex Earle. - And it's kind of like a divisive polarizing show. Like people are really split about it. - So I've been trying to see what other people think about the show. There's not a lot of places for me to do that since I'm not on TikTok. So I just have to sort of like wait for it to come my way on reels. - She's so beloved and I love the show, but like she's so beloved on TikTok. People being like, give me season two now. And it's like, I'm actually looking for like critical, like thought. - Oh. - Like what people actually think, not just like blind loyalty. And I feel like I've actually gotten quite a bit of that. - I want to save my thoughts because I think we feel like a little bit differently. - I will discuss it with you in the first story. How about that? - Okay. That's going to be really hard. But in the meantime, what's going on with you, Turtle Lou? - I'm back in the city. Summer in the Hamptons is over. I'm so ready to get back into my routine, you know, like drinking my water and going to work. It's good for the soul. - Yes, yes it is. - I was not drinking. I gave my water in the Hamptons. - I was doing pretty good, but I crave routine. I love doing the show and I really missed everyone and everything. And it starts to get like a little worrisome when you're not working for a while. I'm like, am I? - Well, of course. Like the bills need to be paid. - I've got bills. I'm like, bitch, get back to work. - Yeah, I agree. Whenever we go on break, a time comes where I'm like, I do need to start generating revenue. And I did a little TikTok get ready with me, so apologies if you've seen me on already talking about this on TikTok, because I'm so big on TikTok. I do like going on break for multiple reasons. Obviously, you know, not having to set an alarm, even though I wake up at 6:00 every day is ideal. But I do feel like sometimes we get to points where it's like we're on the verge of getting like stale and people like, I can always sense in the comments, like when shit turns snarky, I'm like, you know what? I need everyone to miss me a little bit. I feel like I was getting a lot of hate in Swirly Summer. Maybe it's because I just looked so ugly. - Yeah. - It's like easy to hate an ugly person, of course, even though I would have loved some like sympathy. Now that I'm back to being gorgeous, like I'm ready for people to start liking me again. - Yes. Yeah, you do reach a point of like potential burnout. So always good to have time off. But now like I do feel sufficiently ready. - Rested. - And yes, I shared this on the Patreon, but I guess if you're not a Patron, you're like a new house what? I moved over the break. I am in a new house. I am so excited. So that's really what I've been doing the last two weeks. And so even though we've been on break from work, honestly the break couldn't have come at a better time 'cause I don't know how I could have like done everything that I was doing. - Done all of it, yeah. - And working. So I have just been like, tirelessly working on the new house, decorating, unpacking everything. It's been so much fun. It's like, it's so exciting. Change is so exciting. - I couldn't agree less. - I know, but I'm excited. - I hate change. - To like share more like house stuff and everything, but I've just been getting everything in order. - In order. - Yeah, we needed the break. I know everyone was really upset, which I loved, loved. Love to see people just like having miserable time without us. But we needed the break for the mind, body, soul. Yeah, she needed to move. Yeah, I needed to move. I needed to lay down. Like we had to do what we had to do. - We had to do what we had to do, but now we're back. And just something that's going on with me that I wanna share with everyone also because I'm asking for medical advice is I have had a teary eyes for the last two weeks since I got back to Florida. Like, and you'll see the whole episode, I'm gonna be wiping tears from my eye. I'm not upset. - She's obviously emotional, yeah. - I'm not upset. I have constant watery, teary eyes. I've tried eye drops. I thought it was allergies. I tried Zyrtec, which made me feel like shit. I'm taking that anymore. - And have you tried a doctor? - No, that's next. - Okay, before you take it to the podcast. - That will be next, like an optometrist. But people say it might be like the dry conditions here. I don't know what it is. It's so inconvenient all day. And now I have like dryness under my eye from constantly this and my makeup's a little botchy. And I'm sort of like going through it physically. - Sometimes I get that with one nostril. Like it just leaks all day. It's so fucking annoying. - Yeah, but that would be, you know, you have a runny nose. What does it work? - Yeah, but it's only one nostril. I'm like, I'm not sick. - No, it's both eyes, but one is definitely worse. What does a runny eye entail? And sometimes that could be sick, but it's not sick. I don't know. - Maybe it's a physical manifestation of how much you miss me. - It is, or someone suggested to me, like it could be like my repressed emotions. - Oh my God. I think the type of doctor you need to go to is a psychologist. - A therapist. I need therapy to fix my eye. - Yeah, work through that. - No, maybe you can make that case at another point in time. But like, I'm thrilled to bits. The toast is back. - Maybe it's your new house. Maybe like the-- - I thought, oh, so first, that was my first theory. - Like the paint or whatever. - I'm allergic to my new house, the paint and the fumes and the dust. I got air purifiers in every room. We had HVAC come out and ChatGPT said to me like, if you spend a few hours outside of the house and it's like better in those hours, then it's the house and it's not better in those hours. So it's not the house. I'm not allergic to my house, thankfully. - ChatGPT is like really taking over. I went to a bakery. Yeah, that's right. 'Cause they had frozen yogurt and they had like all these menus. It's a new bakery. It had like lots of signage. And like, you could just tell it was all made on ChatGPT. Like it has that chat je ne sais quoi. - Everything does, every flyer. - Yeah, it's so cheap. Like it kind of makes me like never wanna use chat again. - Every invitation, everything is like so clearly chat. I actually feel like you could tell I had a good summer because like I didn't really use ChatGPT a lot. - Oh, I did. - Like in the spring, in the spring, I was chatting with chat every minute of every day, just like a million questions. And I feel like it's like sort of like I've left my, I'm a therapist. Like I just didn't really need you. - And by the way, speaking of something, we haven't even discussed, the new year is upon us, my sister. - Rosh Hashanah. - And? - Yom Kippur. - Yes, so as you guys know, and thankfully this worked out really nicely for the toasters. Rosh Hashanah is this week. It's actually this weekend. So there's no days off from the toast. Don't worry, it's literally Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then Yom Kippur is a short like 10 days later. So just know like while you guys are out here living your best life, we are suffering. - Yeah, but first we celebrate the new year, the Jewish new year is Rosh Hashanah. That's this weekend really snuck up on us. - But it's kind of the perfect time because today does feel like a new year, like a Jan one, everyone's back at work. The summer's over, like we're transitioning to fall. I'm wearing my cashmere pants, even though it's 80 degrees outside. It does have that new year, new me, resolutionary vibe. - Yes, it really does. What are your resolutions? - Such a good question. And as you know, I don't really believe in resolutions 'cause I'm constantly working on myself and I don't need like. - Yeah, I completely agree. It's not like I lay dormant. It's not like my issues lay dormant and I wasn't festered till Jan one. serious for the jewish new year i feel that as you guys know for the last i haven't even really bragged about it and i think that i should like i've become like a little bit more you know observant i've stopped using my phone on the sabbath and i've really been enjoying it i'd like to continue in that upward direction you know maybe take on some new some new observancies you know that's beautiful yeah um always just walking hand in hand with the lord yeah that's that's one of my resolutions what about you that's beautiful codriel um what would be my right i guess different from a jan 1 resolution i would yeah jan 1 is like more mindful wellness where i feel that like spiritually in the inner work can start on the jewish new year you know what this was something i felt before the summer and i feel like it'll come back now that i'm home because like just summer scheduling was different but it's just like this this wanting to feel present in my like i feel like like just everything is flying by and passing by and like you just gotta it's slipping like you just want to hold on to it through my fingers all the time and actually something that i was thinking about doing that um then i saw liz woods actually said the same thing so like it's obviously a very like real feeling of just like wanting to remember all of this and like enjoy it and and process it is journaling i think that if i started journaling and just like at the end of the day every few days like what happened little milestones that were reached by the kids and just like how i felt and what we're doing like i feel like it would help me like process within myself that these things happen today so i'm actually going to send you a link because i got this baby book that somebody recommended i wasn't sure what a baby book was and what showed up first of all it's so cute like the outside it has like whatever the name and it's all stitched and then inside it's like literally a journal and i didn't realize it's like the first five years so you're supposed to i just thought it was supposed to be like pictures in the sonogram and just like of a baby um i started to fill it out and honestly the questions were like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't were so in depth i was seriously like skipping them they were like and my mom felt blank and i don't know like that's too much no no but it's not it actually sounds exactly like what you need because it's like year one year two year three year four and it's just like things that you want to remember and you can put pictures it's really sweet but it's like seriously for somebody who has so much time like i closed it on page three i'm like at first it was like birth weight okay seven pounds yeah then they were asking me like and the first time i ate a snack i was like i don't know i don't know i'll check it out but maybe not that but just like something to just feel like not like floating like you know through life grounded and like you need to meditate i don't i guess it's a similar thing but i feel like just for me i'm i'm more of a writer like i'm i i think i would enjoy the process would you say you're a writer girl no no i wouldn't because i think that that connotes you know that that is your profession and of course she had a ghostwriter oh god i actually don't think carol radswell has a ghostwriter if anyone was wondering like my take on the situation yeah no i don't either so anyways i think just like working on being present i think journaling is just like an easy fix for that like very you don't have to like sorry i can't but i know you're so i can't podcast and like own a business with somebody who journals sorry and that's not like a threat or like a negative thing to people who do journal um as you guys know like it's i actually think if anybody in the world needs to journal it's you really yeah like you can't i actually disagree i don't remember i don't remember i don't remember i don't remember anything oh sure for the memory of it all for sure but i think that like it's an expression of feelings and i feel as though i'm extremely expressive like i have many outlets to express of course my podcast i have many like important relationships in my life where i feel comfortable to share oh no it's not for me it's not about expression of feelings it's about like yours is more of like a time capsule yes yes but also like an in the moment like i think just writing it down even if i never read it just writing it down will make it like except journals are like often admissible in court do you know what i mean like lindsey clancy's notes where did she have notes and then they were just talking about fauci's journal like it's humiliating like those are your innermost thoughts and for some reason they're like allowed to be used as evidence and to be honest no that's reason enough for me to just not be present in my own life right i'm not doing it it's like a physical like no it's my brain fuck off honestly it should be a trial unless the person to the crime no unless the person submits it like here read my journal yes maybe that's what was happening prove my state of mind no like i often find that journals are like being discussed in media as in regards to like high profile cases nightmare fuel nightmare fuel so no i will not be journaling yeah i'm off the idea tv is about to like ramp up i think roni is this week i don't i'm not gonna watch it because anytime i've like gotten caught up in the new roni i like regret it if there's a new roni i'm not gonna watch it i'm not gonna watch it i'm not gonna there's a lot of chatter about it i will pick it back up um dancing with the stars yes so i'm just i'm excited to get back into my tv routine as well like my nights mean so much to me now do you know what i mean like when the other night ben like took a two-hour phone call at eight o'clock and he gets in bed i'm like do you understand if we don't have our nights we don't have anything like our nights are our shared time our alone time and yes we just like watch tv but like we're cracking up we're communicating through the tv like so would you say like all day you're looking forward to cracking up no i would say all day like i am cracking up oh but you said at night you crack up another thing going on in media that i just want to like put my um like stick my flag and i just want everyone to know like i am watching the u.s open pretty much all day every day i know everything that's going on i really am obsessed with it are you familiar with like the discourse going on about the influencers i heard about it they were like with ring lights and yeah and so i feel that there's a discussion to be had about like the behavior at the u.s open and it's all being pinned on the influencers which is not fair because people you know new yorkers it's like tennis is very international sport so yeah wimbledon is like very classy it's a quiet sport we're american it's just like that's kind of anti-american it's anti-american so i think that like a lot of the rowdiness especially like it's a gray goose sponsored event they say that like over a million honey juices get drank this entire tournament so it's like i think americans are just having a hard time adjusting to the tennis culture and they're like pinning and we can have a conversation about that they're pinning it all on the influencers it's like really sad i don't think it's all their fault influencers i don't think it's all their fault and of course like i saw the girl with the ring light well maybe that's like the price of free tickets you know because everybody else there has paid for their ticket and like sure you get to go for free but we're everyone's if anything goes wrong it's your fault i think that's like a fair trade if anyone wants to know who i'm rooting for like just in general no he just got out oh he did yeah he played alcaraz which is just like not fair i saw a couple of really good points from him like on yeah no he played great he should be really proud of himself page looked amazing i was tuning in mostly for her um and he lost to alcaraz like there's no shame in losing to the best player in the world literally um for the men i'm rooting for ben shelton my boyfriend oh and i just thought it's such an interesting fact he has a girlfriend and they like can't get over it because he's like this young hot thing they show her the entire time and of course she's like a very accomplished women's soccer player and then i found out her name is trinity rodman do you know who her dad is yeah tennis rodman's daughter you knew that yeah oh i didn't know that so like nepo but like not really she says like they do not have a good relationship um that's so i want sorry i want ben shelton to win i just want to say and i also found out that like the number one player in the world zverev um like he beats up his girlfriend all the time so and the tennis association like won't do anything about it so obviously not rooting for him and actually in protest last night i watched a women's match and then i turned off like i wanted them to know like you lost my rating they definitely put women beaters on there nielsen made a note and then for the women i'm rooting for jess pagula me too her parents own the buffalo bills like she's a billionaire and she could have just like coasted because if that's me like i'm not doing anything like obviously um no and she's like decided to do something that's like a meritocracy like you have to be the best you can't like nepo your way obviously she grew up with great coaches or whatever um and i just think that's cool i think coco golf will win but i'm happy for just cool if she does too so yeah i'm just like i'm so not like other girls i know everything about sports and if you want to talk about the u.s open like just know i'm i'm available that's great speaking of sports we went to the marlins game yesterday i saw the marlins played the mets so it felt like the one we should go to the whole family was like split but we were also rooting for both you know like met shirts marlin but you were wearing mets i'm sorry like you you you can't like you have to be wearing new york well we wore all the mets gear that we owned and then we needed more gear and there was only margaret lynn's gear to oh right that's fair so we bought marlin's gear we really like we're rooting for marlin's gear and we're rooting for marlin's gear and we're rooting for both you know i was happy when anytime someone scored um it was really amazing the miami marlin stadium is indoors and air conditioned heavenly air conditioned it was cold i was chilly jackie you need to go to a savannah bananas game like i think that your family would love that but aren't they in savannah no they travel like they play when they play like the minor league florida team yeah yeah we should you should do their bananas thing when they travel that's a good question do they does the did the other like stadiums have the acoustics and whatnot actually i'm not sure about that but i think so i think so well it was our first time taking the kids to a major league basketball baseball game and it was amazing i'm sure and they had kosher hot dogs so cute it was allies yeah they it was so much ally shit yeah ally ship ally ship um and then the mets like mike wasn't there unfortunately he was not playing mike piazza so we'll get better soon. I think there are actually more Mets fans than Marlins. fans in the stadium honestly yeah of course so many it's all transplants it really is but it was it was a great day go marlins a baseball game is a nice way to spend the day especially in an air-conditioned stadium and it's cute that they're miami marlins and the miami dolphins you know why because they're both fish and then what about the panthers they're not involved no they're not the the florida sharks no more marine life yeah that's cute i don't know marlins just like not giving cool yeah they have some work to do in like the cool department don't you find like marlin if i know so if like you saw in the merch shop like it's a mess like like the branding is a mess yeah that's where i feel like new york has every other team they always do like they do like kith collabs and ralph lauren like all their merch is like sick no and like they have so many different logos and colors and like the marlins color like should be that teal color and they sort of like straight away from that they have like a lot of like like 305 like um like pink and black like they don't know what they're doing i hate pink and black as a color combo no me too they need to bring in a branding expert other than that we had an amazing time that's great at lone depot park lone depot or home depot lone depot l-o-a-n oh like a bank yeah where you could a depot it's giving like crypto.com arena some of these names are terrible lone depot park makes crypto.com arena sound normal well what's weird is that like when they came up with crypto.org arena we were all like what the heck is going now it's like not that crazy no i'm going to crypto arena like that's not weird lone depot is weird it's just weird when it replaces like a legacied story it was the staples center like it's been in every movie like it's not gonna catch on but also like does staples have any money no it's a sign of the times it is like staples in-store shopping for school 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series dropped on friday alex earl is sharing her family her feuds her friends so let's talk about it in stages i want to talk about the show and then of course we have to talk about like alex cooper bits and bobs yeah so the show was really not what i expected and overall i really enjoyed it i love alex and i will say probably my biggest takeaway was that like the family and the family dynamic is actually not at all what i thought you guys know people always say like claudia stop talking about ashley dupree like i can't it is the craziest thing ever and the fact that they have a family and they have this blended family and that the mom is always with them it's so beautiful it's like not really what i thought it was it actually makes me feel better it's like a little bit more human because no there's a lot of weird dynamics under the surface and on the surface and even watching i feel like they probably noticed things that maybe they didn't they have said that like the show was actually really good for their family communication like that conversation that alex and ashley had in aspen they would have never had if there weren't cameras and they would have just swept it under the rug and like kept on moving forward yeah and i just feel like my opinion on a lot of people but before and after the show is so different like ashley i actually think for me and i've seen mixed reviews like her q score went up for me yeah obviously like we we had what she did was was bad like we can't even whatever but like hearing her talk about it just like being a young girl trying to like you could it humanized it a little bit um and i think that she's like ate a lot of shit for many years and then also my opinion of her dad is like he's not who i thought he was i know you had such like high expectations for him i thought he was like this real like protector and real genius and like the second he swooped in to start managing her things got better but she said on the show and then she clarified again on tiktok that like he has managed her the whole time so he was involved in the alex cooper deal and i've always thought that like whoever encouraged her to do the alex cooper deal like seriously he's not smart and it turns out that was him um so he and then he made like a lot of like weird comments about like buying her boobs and seeing the girl's nude photos and he's obviously just like kind of like weird like jersey dad like i don't know he's just not at all what i thought he was he's not the man you thought no and maybe i put too much pressure on him but like you did i just feel like my opinion and even alex like i feel like i only know her from tiktok and social media and she's like so as far as it looks to me like out there right like almost extroverted and she's like snarky and she does like fun content and party and the girl we saw on the show was like so emotional and so serious and like really took her business so seriously so i just feel like everything i thought i knew about the earls even the mom i thought oh the mom is so healed the mom is so grown no she's just one of us no no she's not over it so i think my expectations going in were like a little bit different because i only follow alex on instagram and she doesn't share as much as she does on tiktok so who she was on the show was like really who i thought she was and i just want to say i thought the show was amazing amazing and i watch a lot of reality tv in fact it's like the only thing i watch these days and it it has started to feel like we've gotten to a place where people like don't know how to make reality tv anymore like every show like starts and stops and and is it doesn't do what it's supposed to do and i thought this show was so great because it was like alex and her family are just living their life and there's cameras like they're going to aspen regardless if there's cameras or not they're going to wellington for penelope's show like they're just they do so many things she's at a stage in her life where she's like ripe for a reality show because they're just so busy and i feel like sometimes when people are like parents or whatever like you're home all day there's not yeah we're not going out and if we are we're doing it like for the show and what's funny is she actually went on therapist and she said she was like for the next season i actually might do it differently like this season we just scheduled our lives and had cameras follow us but like next season i think i might carve out three months and like film and i'm like i'm not gonna do it again i'm not gonna do it again i'm not gonna do it again and i think that would be such a mistake that's when you get to a place of like people are going on trips for the show going out to dinner making parties like for the show and everything just feels like a fake world whereas i can't remember the last time we just like followed someone with cameras and she was just doing the same thing that she would do with or without cameras so that's so funny because i feel like one of my biggest criticisms of just the production was that like this is a girl who is invited to seriously like only the upper echelon coolest events ever and i feel like we don't have to do it again we don't have to do it again we don't have to do it again really see that we kept seeing her like recapping those events and like we saw her and ashton go to fashion week and we didn't see them at one singular party or or a fashion show and i know obviously like getting your credentials to get your camera crew to the chanel show is not easy but like when they were in paris they just like walked through the park like yes and you said that to me i that was one of your criticisms like before i watch the episode and when i watch the episode it didn't bother me at all you want to know why because paris wasn't a whole episode it was 15 minutes within an episode and it's like okay i'm gonna do it again i'm gonna do it again i'm gonna do it again okay so they showed us some of the social media content of them in paris and now they're in a park talking about it and then we're moving on like other shows they would make paris a three episode arc and that's what i liked about this it's just like we're moving we're grooving we're doing things we're not like it's not like the big trip to wellington like like everything just like was very fast paced the way that her life is and i thought it was so enjoyable to watch because it felt like we're really just flies on the wall of her life yes it just felt a lot of the times like they were recapping like the stuff that was going on and i was like oh my god i'm gonna do it the viral stuff like the things we would want to see behind the scenes like take us with you like i would like to go i guess but then i saw like they went to the club in aspen right and that was like you saw that she could film there because that was um palm tree and like that's her like she's in business with them so obviously like they let her film yeah and then i saw a girl had posted on tiktok like i was at alex earl filming at snow lodge i think it was and the amount of space that a camera crew takes up is a lot i don't expect that like parties and fashion shows are going to let them in i think she did as good of a job as anyone could do like making us feel like we are there there were so many things that i liked about the show and again i think it's like different expectations because i don't know her as well as you do but like all the braxton stuff felt so like heartfelt by the way so i was so surprised by her i think the people word people use for her it's like she's so authentic she's so genuine she's so relatable and those things are true but i also found her to be like so earnest jackie when she got two results and the first thing she said is like i know you guys are gonna kill me but like in moments like this i just like wish i could talk to braxton like i actually felt so upset for her like first of all that's such an honest thing to say like and i know i know what she means like honest she she wants like a partner like there's so much going on in her life good and bad and like you need someone like it's not that you need a man it's like to share your life with someone the good parts and the hard parts is such a blessing so to have that and then to go to not having it like i totally understood what she was saying i just couldn't believe she said it out loud stuff and so the whole show like and most people would not put all of that on the show because they would one not want the other person you want to act like you're moved on and over it and cool and two like you it's embarrassing to like always be talking about and you think maybe it's even boring oh everything that happens and i'm still talking about braxton i found it to just be like so earnest and honest and i don't think most people would do that in the final scene which i because the amount of maturity that it took for her to just call him up and i think it's also confidence because she's so gorgeous that like you could just call anyone and be like i still like you um but just emotional maturity to be like i still hold out hope that we could get back together like can you tell me if that's possible and she said it like with a straight face on camera bearing her heart and soul to the world so i agree with you like the honesty and the confidence that it takes but the question she was asking was actually not mature and it really pissed me off because like you you literally said to him like is it oh are you i don't want to get back together right now but is the possibility in the future basically being like wait for me because i think he's really ready to settle down and she's just not and i found the question to be like really unfair to braxton especially after like they didn't really show this so much in the show but there was a lot in the press about like alex being spotted with guys the f1 driver of course tom brady so it's like after putting braxton through all of that now you're asking like can we get back together but like only when i'm ready and like not yet i found that question actually annoying for braxton i guess no but she's just like i think for her she needs this period of growth and self-discovery and i think for her she hopes that once she grows into that person like she can be with braxton and it's like you can grow into that person with braxton should and she's just asking him like should i not even be thinking that like i think that's it's just very maybe it's not a fair question to ask but it's real no it's real but it is unfair to braxton and it's like should i forget you or should i be healing for you faster so that i feel like the show was proof that it's so much better to be broken up with than to be the person who broke up because braxton had really no choice but to move on and i feel like he did and he just like picked himself up by his bootstraps whereas like alex was sort of left with the questioning of like was that the right decision when it's out of your control like you almost you have no choice but to accept it but when you were the one who did it like you just go back over and honestly i would have so much rather have been braxton in that situation than be alex yes of course and also like i'm really happy for braxton because when him and alex got together like he was the butt of every joke for a period like what kind of mean it's braxton like when he left sophia colbo and started dating alex earl and no one thought he was good enough for her and like this show is just amazing for him yeah like except like i love that they left us on the cliffhanger of like oh well maybe they're together right now or whatever um and then over the weekend there was like some drama that pretty much like they're not together and like vibes are bad because he was spotted out with this girl maggie who is the ex-girlfriend of the f1 driver that alex was spotted out with in london and she's like making snarky tiktoks now like copying alex honestly the girl mcgooey mcgooey the girl is so pretty i don't know her she's obviously like a european socialite like i don't know she's the prettiest girl i've ever seen in my life and it's weird to see somebody so cool and pretty like acting like such a loser like why are you coming for alex earl like going out with your ex-boyfriend's new girlfriend's ex-boyfriend is like such a jealous like not cool thing to do and she looks so cool to me but i know but like what if they're actually like a good match because i feel like braxton is mature he's not just like doing petty stuff like this and maybe like him and mcgooey i don't know like if and it's like if if alex likes braxton and alex likes landon and landon likes alex then then braxton will like mcgooey yeah no for sure like that's like shania twain you know when you swap husbands yes um she's so pretty i just like need her to stop like the tiktok she made copying alex like i did not like that but also like even the scene in aspen where she reads the dumois sighting about braxton and olivia jade like most people would not show that they would not like and the fact that olivia jade's just like name on the show and and alex admitting that she has stalked every single person that braxton has been spotted to talking to like it's just so honest yeah and like and almost like shameless in the way that you need to be shameless to be interesting on reality tv without exploiting yourself and i don't felt like i don't feel like she did i agree i think that what's commendable about the show is that they're obviously this family with like not secrets but like skeletons and just like embarrassing things everyone has it and i think that a lot of people in the spirit of becoming rich and famous. would exploit all that and because i think maybe they are independently wealthy like they're not that desperate so they're like we'll make a show we'll talk about stuff but we're not willing to throw each other under the bus we're not willing to exploit our family history and i feel like even the embarrassing parts like of course tj you know what else really pissed me off about tj is that like all of this is his fault right he's the one yes ashley was young and she knew what she was for the women yes she knew what she was doing was wrong but like he was the one who was married with kids like this whole thing this whole dynamic is 100 99.9 tj's fault one percent ashley's fault and all they're infighting all the interpersonal issues are his fault and he's like well you need to talk to ashley it's like well you need to talk to ashley like this is all his fault and he'd leave he literally leaves the room for the girls to work it out and i feel like one of the biggest issues in their dynamic is that of course i can never remember the mom's name alissa she does her best to like you know be copacetic and there's only so much she can do because the girls are so much more than she can do and she's so much more than she can do and she's so much more so close with the step kids the kids so she does what she can but like anytime ashton and alex have a problem with ashley they go to their mom so of course the mom who already has tons of reason to hate ashley is now like yeah i hate her even more but then i think the girls have this like really genuine relationship with ashley and they they have a desire to work it out and they do work it out and so alissa is just like standing left there with like the pile of problems only the hatred they're also not going to go to her with the things that they like about actually because real and so seeing it play out it's like oh well of course they're not like so harmoniously blended and you know what i was relieved to see that they had issues because it wasn't when i what i thought it was it's not normal it's not and i think it's not i also think that alex and this show and this family like because she comes from wealth i think that you know a lot of times and i feel like when i think about like the demilio sisters or just like other shows and other like child stars who like bring their family up it like becomes very unhealthy because it's like the minute you stop working we're all screwed if you get in trouble like we could all be screwed even if it's like we take a trip you paid for the whole trip we're gonna kiss your ass because of course you paid for the trip i think the fact that it that her family has money and they could take this or not take it makes it just a much healthier dynamic because they're not like so desperate even when they went to wellington they're all staying in a house like i don't think alex paid for the house because if she had like it would just would have been all the conversations the dynamic is different it's so different and i feel like people are comparing them to the kardashians a lot which i think is a really good comparison i think alex like is kim on to be the next kim i really do and i think a huge part of that is also the kardashians had money she was desperate to be famous but not desperate on the balls of her it's true to pay her bills and her whole family is like go and sell yourself or else we're on the streets and so i think watching them be on a show together just like be in this business together there's just like a level of desperation that's not there that can sometimes be unhealthy for families a thousand percent them being rich is like probably one of the best things to happen to them for a million reasons when they took the private plane to aspen it's like it's not it's not for sure that alex paid for no i feel like sip margs probably paid for it because that was like a big sip mark yeah i'm sure like someone paid for it but it's not like everything every house is on alex alex paid for it's on her back she feels like her family's indebted to her they feel like they can't say anything to her because they could say they say to her you know no one's scared of her no no one's scared of her um i do feel like when it when it comes to the kardashians comparisons like a lot of the siblings have lots of personalities and i'm sure as they get older like maybe they'll continue to be like kendall kylie like kendall kylie in the first season we're just like since you know little kids like kendall and kylie are isabel and penelope penelope is the kylie isabel is the kendall um i feel that um ashton like i just found some of her stuff a little boring which isn't a crime sort of ruined ashton for me i wasn't really noticing her well i feel like they're trying to make it like earl girls like the sisters like it's it's really not the alex show i feel like ashton had just as much screen time as alex did and i just found the scenes a little less compelling like i want a model like okay um but i like i love her and i feel like the person i i follow her so like i feel like who she is online it's like much more interesting maybe it's like a nerves thing or just like it's not translating i just found a lot of it like boring like the dating stuff i don't know why i just found oh yeah she keeps saying the same thing she's sort of just like debbie downer i wasn't noticing her reminding her at all and then like you um you you you made me notice and mind um and then also i watched a bit of therapist with jake shane and i found her presence to be like really um disruptive to the episode honestly however in searching for what people think about the show i'm seeing a lot of love for ashton and i'm happy for her and i don't even like want to like say i didn't like no i think she's very gen z and like maybe that's just not us and like just the vibes are different and what's because she's the star of the show and she's such a queen i could look at her all day but like weirdly i relate to ashley i'm an ashley a mother of three and also ashley i i really like ashley and i think that's a very unpopular opinion because when i was seeing i saw a lot of love for ash and a lot of like dislike for ashley and i was like impressed by ashley first of all the way she navigates this dynamic is queen i agree trying to blend a family of like people who hate her and like never giving up even when the girls are sticking toothpaste agreed she is meredith blake grown up no i completely agree she for me had the most increase in accused score since watching and then when it comes to like the things that she says and the advice that she gives the girls i find her to be very sensible yeah it's the same sort of advice i would give personally and maybe you disagree with ashley and the things that she personally personally i don't i think her insistence that the girls care less about what people say i continue to do what they think is right and not like live with this pressure and and just like the weight of the world crashing down on you like that is my mentality as well and i i found she was a woman with good sense yeah i did and i like a woman with good sense i actually think that the girls can aside from the things she did when she was of course the things i i feel like the girls can sense that in her and i think she really understands their world like she's also becoming like her own little influencer but she's just younger so i think she gets it i think the girls are actually like naturally attracted to her and if that makes it like even more unfortunate for the mom because i feel like the mom's sort of detached anytime they're having like conversations about business unless it was the big alex cooper conversation at the end but like they go to ashley and tj and it's not just tj like ashley's in the room i think that they really respect her opinion which i just think makes the dynamic even harder for the mom to like be involved the dynamic is set up just not to benefit alissa and that's so unfortunate because she's the injured party yes but it's like yeah true ashley should be able to go on vacation with after 17 years with her whole family including the stepkids ashton and alex and not have tj and alissa come but it's like excuse me those are my kids too so it's just it's really unfortunate for alissa yeah like you crash this party like this is your penance almost yeah but it's also like it's also ashley's first time on earth this is her family these are her children like she wants to you know have a somewhat of a some normal family experiences but i guess that's like what you get when you are with a married man and he is correct overall i think the show was great and i think it was so good for alex like i think she's a great role model and i think now we can talk her like go through the genesis when she said like actually like my heart broke in a million pieces when she was like my kids are gonna see that talking about that i was just like such a mature she's only 25 like such a mature thing to say and i think that it's actually really good because obviously she's like sexy and whatever but like i think that she as she's growing up is becoming a little bit more conscious of like her digital footprint and i think she's a really good role model for young girls and yeah the brat like the honesty everything she showed us was just i think setting a really good example for young girls yeah and so we can get to the alex cooper stuff now going into the show everyone was like the show is gonna be where she sets it all right and it was funny to see how she sort of was like just like mad and kicking herself that the thing got so big no and by the way everyone was like alex is being so strategic so i love what she's doing i love there was no strategy she was just like should i should i not should i and the longer she didn't it made it feel like there was this big thing coming and at the end of the day there's not a big thing there's not a big story or anything it's it's what we said you know it's a bad working relationship it's you know two people who shouldn't have worked together the dynamic never worked and then personalities and clashes and insults and this and that but not like one big thing and what the fuck was brianna chicken fry talking about like when she says it like it was everyone around yeah no if i'm alex earl i hate brianna chicken fry yeah so i and this is what i always thought it was so like there's not nothing that's like super shocking about it so now going back there was one really shocking piece of which was zandra and i love that they blurted her mouth but you literally could if you read lips zandra like it was so obvious there's only one person oh i didn't even read the lips when she goes she went to someone from college she got dirt on me it's like oh zandra the girl from your college that you're like not super and i have to say i have enormous respect for zandra because zandra gets a lot of shit online for the ending of her friendship with alex earl nobody knows what happened people come up with theories they say that she sent a naked picture to braxton they said that she punched her in the tit like there are all these different rumors and she just sort of lets that and so you get an opportunity to get a picture of her and she's like oh my god work with alex earl's number one op and you not only ignore her but you tell alex earl about it like if i'm alex earl i'm being a lot nicer to zandra yeah she is a real one so what happened was you know the the relationship at unwell was not like right for alex she didn't get the support that she needed it kick-started with the actual call her daddy episode where alex i didn't realize that that like we knew that it was like uncomfortable and she asked her inappropriate questions but i the family didn't speak for three months because aside from the sex questions that happened at the end of the episode where they're like drinking all day the beginning of the episode was like alex's going back home childhood they went back home they did like a whole you know deep dive into this crazy story that was like so scandalized and I guess that was like Ashley said it was the hardest time of her life after Alex Earl went on call her daddy and to be honest surfaced all of this like net when it comes to licks versus lex like I'm hard I think team licks but I felt like the family in that scene was being kind of unfair to Alex Cooper it's like they were just putting a lot of their shit on this one interview and I don't even know what it was that licks said in that interview that was so upsetting to the group because I thought she they talked about it so briefly and you could tell Alex was like uncomfortable and it was just like we knew the story and she just kind of told it to us and she said it was hard for her like it wasn't that salacious so I think that I'll maybe some like you know online people knew that that that was her backstory but I the I don't think she's ever like told the story spoken about that was the first time yeah so it was putting that out there for the first time and then I think also it's like some not many people are like well don't be surprised that she asked like sex questions it's the sex podcast she was a fan of Alex Cooper said it was her idol the gluck gluck show that's like what Dave Portnoy said which is a good point like so she shouldn't have been so surprised by the sex questions but it's like you don't get to ask like the sex questions and also do the um like Meredith Vieira deep dive into the family like which podcast I think that that's sort of emblematic of like Alex Cooper like and her when it's brand changing then you're just when it's both then you're just like exploiting every aspect of someone's personality yes so on the one hand what a lot of people are saying and I agree with is like you said this is your idol this is someone you love like it's the gluck gluck show like why are we surprised that you're asked that you're being asked if you're an anal virgin and that's why I'm like so almost disappointed in your dad for letting you do this like you say he's this protector and how can but then on the other hand it's not the other hand with Alex Cooper just like be a fucking human being stop asking a 21 year old girl if she's an anal virgin like that's disgusting and predatory it's not the gluck gluck show you didn't ask Kamala if she's an anal well no you have to think of the time you have to think of the time she was still very much like in the process of transitioning she used to have people on more seriously to talk about like their traumas and then like okay and then at the end she'd be like okay let's get into sex are you an anal virgin she was like slowly transitioning like the anal out of the show I guess it was a transitional period but she had already like found it unwell because Alex Earl was a part of she's a business woman she's a business woman this isn't her barstool era this is you know what year is this 20 23 I have no idea but she had just graduated college so maybe maybe 22 22 okay what I'm just saying like it's not it's it is the gluck gluck show and it's not it was I'm sorry like it was and there's also a major difference between talking about your own personal sex life and talking about someone else and I'm sorry there's also just a difference when a girl who's younger than you who really looks up to you and who you're about to embark on a working journey with asks you to take something out of the show that was sexual and made her uncomfortable and you don't do it sorry you're in the wrong I don't care what the brand of your show is like she asked you to take it out and you didn't you're like it's funny like that's just that is predatory behavior and that's just such a bad way to start a working relationship with someone who you want to have a good relationship with Alex was doing all these unwell events and really using Alex Earl's clout to like sell tickets and she was like I don't want to do that I don't want to do that I don't want to do that and get people to show up and that's what Alex Earl was saying like I felt used like she didn't look after me in the way that I thought she would no it's like yeah she was gluck gluck but she was also like this girl boss girl boss girl boss and you would expect like your girl boss to look out for you yeah so so that relationship goes south when Alex Earl wants to stop doing the podcast and she found out via the media that she was dropped yeah she talked about it like more on Jake Shane why she like the podcast was not right for her and it was actually she made like some really good points and she was like Jake doesn't feel this way because it's different but like I just felt empty I felt like I was exploiting every single aspect of my personal life for stories for tea she said Alex Cooper even suggested that she not like get a boyfriend and date Braxton so that she would have like more to share on the show about her dating life and her sex life and she was like dating like yeah I'll share but sex life no I'm not sharing that so like that's a very clear obvious like delineation yeah so so also she's like carting around all of this equipment to Europe and everywhere and then she goes on Jake Shane show and she sees he has a producer she's like I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know who's that she's talking to Josh Richards and Gabby in Europe this is what she said on therapist and they're like wait you're why are you screwing in the microphones yourself like where is your help and so she had no help no support she's hating doing this she feels empty she's running on zero and so she doesn't want to do the show anymore and I think it was a little bit of a um a back and forth about getting her show well that was interesting what she said on therapist because I remember when Alex was Alex Cooper was responding to comments being like Alex owns her IP she can do whatever she wants with it and Alex Earl was like I didn't and then the next morning they gave it to me like just very manipulative and I was like I don't know I don't yeah or it's like she did own it but like they had some sort of keys to it that once you know it was over then they gave it back so it ended badly they should have never worked together period but like I think a lot of the signs were there for Alex Earl you can I I can fault both of them honestly it used to be like oh neither of them could be wrong now I'm like you're both wrong yeah a thousand percent wrong Alex Earl is wrong for for going there like what and she should have had better people working for and with her and she said that too she said we have the same people working for us I think it turned out to be the same people working for us in terms of like managers and agents so it's like I didn't want to make it weird and I just felt like everybody was like telling me to do the right thing so she's not even and made poor decision making in business and Alex Cooper is just not she just didn't protect Alex and the thing is is that all of this has caused so much trouble for Alex Cooper I think it's really affected her overall likeness very poorly and I think that she should have she went into the way that I see it is that she went into business with Alex Earl but because she needed to have Alex Earl on the show like it was becoming so back then she was not doing Katie Couric you know she was doing like internet internet and Alex Earl was like the biggest thing on the internet and she's so Alex Cooper like why are you having her on the show and it's because you know a younger you it's threatening and and so it wasn't until that she could financially benefit from it that she had her on and you know what she should have just had her on the show it's one fucking episode and she would have avoided all all this trouble because now everyone's looking Cooper's crime is like she is a savage bitch businesswoman she's not here to mentor you she's not here to hold your hand she is here to do business and and business and personal they're separate and so that's her crime and Alex Earl's crime is that she was naive and she was also blind like what Alex Cooper did to Sophia she did in broad daylight like let's talk about the blindness like so and her tea and her and her dad and the people who work for both of them it was no secret that this was a big sex show and this was no secret that this is a person who was willing to throw her best friend under the bus for business so you think she's gonna protect you she's on you for fun minutes and you are and I still think I still think Alex Earl is not mad enough uh it at the people who work for both her dad not no her dad oh I separate the people who work for both of them she's still even after unwell by the way they shared the same agent up until last week and that's because Alex Cooper left the agency right right so even when the unwell thing went south Alex Earl said she didn't like talk about she didn't do like a big story tea time because they have a lot of people in common she has said she is scared of Alex Cooper people have told her to be scared of her Alex Cooper has said be scared of me and so she just like sort of moved on and didn't say anything but it was obvious to everyone that something weird and she would like like well dropped and reposed then then I think like you know some months go by and she gets a little brave and she sees people on the internet like talking shit about the person that she hates so she likes a little bit here and there empowering when you see people talking negatively about the person that you hate right so she starts to just engage a little bit and like just drop breadcrumb not with the thought of like one day I'm going to tell the whole story but like oh yeah I do like that I do agree with that like like like like like which is why I found when Alex Cooper was like just say it that was such a slay because it there is nothing to just say it's vibes and it's bad dealings um but she really put her on the spot and that's why it was like I thought when Alex Cooper made that Coachella video people thought it was like crazy and like what is she doing it's like no she's really like forcing this girl to like like you know she's making this bigger than it is wait we also have to talk about Harry Jowsey getting involved and to be honest I actually feel like that was really bad for Alex Cooper and if I'm Alex Cooper I'm annoyed at Harry Jowsey because Harry Jowsey took a screenshot of that text message that Alex shared on the show that she had sent to Alex Cooper um and she didn't send it oh she wrote no she never said on the show that she sent okay I didn't think it was a good text I I'm glad Dave asked Dave asked Alex Cooper he did a tea by the track and um he asked Alex Cooper if she ever got that text and she said no got it okay so Harry Jowsey there were a lot of things she almost did apparently she made a video at Coachella like a you know a response video and didn't post it and then in hindsight she wished that she had even though I feel that a lot of people tuned into the show Earl Meets World for this Alex Cooper drama and I think net net it really benefited her and I think it was sort of it bookended the entire first episode and last episode so she kind of needed it so I'm actually glad that she did it the way that she did because I think it made the show a lot better um but Harry Jowsey just sort of said like this is not fair you're coming for a pregnant woman she's about to give birth and it's like well I actually agree with Harry Jowsey pregnant women are off limits but Alex Cooper literally started this and she was pregnant so it's like Alex Earl has every right to say her piece and also I think it then puts into perspective for a lot of people Harry Jowsey's relationship with out with Alex Cooper because when you take a look at Unwell at a glance like it was supposed to be this place for like female voices and it's like Madeline Argy gone Alex Earl gone Grace O'Malley like what the hell happened to her um and it's like the only person who's has his own tv show and it's Harry Jowsey so it's like this is your girl boss girl boss meanwhile she's got one friend in the industry and it's a man Yeah, I would also say, like, Let's Marry Harry was bad for women. Agreed. Net, net. I would say that was a bad show for women. So overall, I think where the internet nets out is Team Alex Earl. Yeah, even though, like, I think people are probably disappointed by the overall, like, Alex Cooper. You know what? I don't agree. And I was when I saw people saying, like, you know, it's we knew what it was going to be. And it was literally what we said. Like, she asked for things. I don't know. I thought it was, like, actually a lot juicier. Maybe just hearing it from her lips. And her coming from this, like, really sad kind of naive place. And the Zandra of it all. You know what? I felt sufficiently fed. Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah, and you know me. I'm, like, always complaining. I didn't think there was going to be, like, my expectations were pretty low. So, like, I didn't feel let down. But I feel like other people, especially because we're, like, we're in this business. So, like, we had a pretty good sense of what probably went wrong. I think other people who thought there was, like, a crazy situation. You slapped. Made, yeah. Who were hanging on Brianna Chicken Fries every last word. Or, like, what happened? I need Brianna Chicken Fries to come to the front. What were you talking about? What was she talking about? No clue. Like, because it's just, you know, bits and bobs. Like, there wasn't a big scandal. It was just bad. So, that's what happened there. And, yeah, at the end of the day, if you watch the whole show, like, it's just not even about that. No. It's not. But that is why I personally tuned in the minute it was dropped. I didn't feel bad for Earl that she had gotten herself into this place where she had to, like, come back swinging. She doesn't want to take a big shot at Alex Cooper. Yeah. And she doesn't want to let everyone down. But when she finally posted that, like, strip pole video, which was as stupid as I thought. Agreed. You know? Like, and that's, when she posted it, I was like, wow, this girl just doesn't move in the same way that I would. Like, I would be like, goodbye sister type video. Like, here's what happened. And she's just, like, so unserious. But it's not that she's unserious. She's just, like, young. No, and she's just, like, doing it on her own. And, like, you know, sometimes you're just, like, so frozen, like, with fear and pressure that, like, the only thing to do is nothing. Yeah. And so that's what she did. But, like, the Alex Cooper conversations are, like, back up. And Sophia Franklin's about to start her book tour. So I don't think it's getting better. I do think she's, like, has given birth or is, like, minutes from giving birth. Really? Yeah. Oh. I feel like she has some time. So I do, like, want to give grace and, like, lay off. But if there's a person who deserves to be heard, it's Sophia Franklin. I think Alex Cooper and Alex Earl are both going to continue to be very successful separately. You know, it's very Taylor and Kim. Yeah. They are the Taylor and Kim. They will operate in different worlds till the end of time, both having extreme success. And that's it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Oh, Sally was on the show. How funny is that for me? Like, my favorite Earl Casimir is a huge – it was crazy that she was working for Alex. I know. I guess, like, her job – Doing just Snapchat? Is that a job? Her job has been this, like, major mystery to people. People are, like, are you an engineer? Like, it's, like, been this big almost joke. It's funny. People thought she was in medical sales. And I think that's because Sally Carson from Southern Charm – Oh, that's funny. – is in medical sales. And they have a similar name. And now she's probably, like, full-time influencing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there were some really good cameos. I thought when Jake Shane was at that Russian bathhouse, I was actually laughing so hard. I agree. He's, like, very naturally funny. It was just funny. And they were getting, like, whacked. It was just – It was cute. – hysterical stuff. I really, really enjoyed the show. Any other people – oh, her little siblings really stole the show. Agreed. They were – they're really cute. And, yeah, I think – so I'm one of these people, like, when's season two? Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. I'm a when season two truther. Let's dive into the remainder of the show because we still have four other topics to discuss that are brought to you by – Or five or six. Bull and branch. Have you noticed your sheets slipping off the corners lately? Or maybe your pillows just don't feel supportive anymore? Well, most people actually don't realize that keeping their bedding way longer than they should is a thing. It slowly wears down. You don't realize how much it's affecting your sleep until you finally replace it. 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Um, at squarespace.com slash toast to get 50% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Thank you, Tertman. You're welcome. The only other thing we didn't discuss is Ash and Earl linked to Landon Barker. Oh, that's like a new thing. Um, personally, like Landon Barker, it's just like, it's like a blind spot for me, like a conscious blind spot. I know him. I know, I know Charlie D'Amelio. I know Kourtney Kardashian. I know, to me, I know everyone around him. I don't know him. No, I know him. And to me, I don't know him. - Is he an artist, is he a musician? - I think he does. babbles like this means nothing to me like it's just it's an inconvenience yeah yeah i don't love me neither um okay our next story that's what i mean when i say that i think like ashton is like so gen z that like she's sort of like like she's not for us or at least for me yeah she's not meant to be for right like that's why i'm like i i feel bad but i that seems obvious she like checks a box for other demographics but not us yes yes for sure i'm in the ashley box yeah 1000 percent you're an alec i feel like i'm actually like a transition i'm such an alissa everyone's always leaving me out and it's terrible no actually i'm tj like let's be real you are tj i also a big storyline was ashton's like modeling career and that was like a big storyline but or ashton's career ashlyn um and on therapist jake shane was like you should model like i love that storyline like you should absolutely model and like he's a very good friend i actually thought she was giving such kendall jenner energy it's like she was but like here's the thing i feel like t and tj was saying like you shouldn't and sometimes like the things that you love aren't going to make you the most money and i feel like she very much is like that like amelia gray bella hadid like you know dark dixie d'amelio like literally it's like a trope and i just don't think any of those girls are happy i totally agree and i don't think like modeling will make you happy it will take you away from your you'll be in paris milan china like everywhere but home it's true and she's a homebody and i thought tj gave her good advice by being like don't become a yeah i actually agree especially when i think she can just make a lot i think they have a lot of opportunities like so many right here at home yeah right in point pleasant actually she would obviously like she's unbelievably gorgeous and she's tall i didn't like i didn't notice like her personality traits for a while because i i love the way that she carries herself i think she's like lovely to look at and she would be an amazing model yeah like she is a model yes but i don't think so yeah i agree models are not happy people no they're really not um okay next king charles the third addresses prince harry and megan markel's royal status after moving back to the uk so as discussed on patreon um they're going back megan and harry we're not okay are going back to the uk we're not okay um and i think the question remaining like because this is so confusing is what does this mean for the royal family like do they know about it are they excited about it is this an agreed upon decision are they just acting rogue again and like going to be living you know as commoners so we heard from king charles in an official statement yes king charles is lord chamberlain wrote in the letter sent to multiple outlets saying their styles as his and her royal highness remain in abbeyance and are not used abeyance sorry the king has directed that the following information be shared no this is like the charitable work of the duke and duchess is a personal matter for them both and undertaken in their private capacity in short their position is akin to private citizens with commercial and charitable interests yeah i think it's important that king charles lets his subjects know like you're not paying for this because part of being a royal is like your tax paid taxpayer dollars subsidizing your life in some parts and that's where i think they you know they draw a lot of criticism from their different actions because it's like these are the taxpayers what are you doing so i think he really wanted because the the public there really dislikes them i think he wanted to sort of make sure everyone knows like don't worry like this is not official yes yes and also like it does feel like sort of a snub because even if this was the case you know sending a letter statement to all the outlets like distancing yourself from them is crazy so i think for people who are like oh they're moving back to take care of charles in his final years like are very naive however like if they're not to how can they make more money in the than they can make here like i know that the money has run out here the opportunities have dried up they have really squandered every relationship that they've had what's there for them in the uk maybe they just think like time has changed it's very clear that they don't have like a firm grasp on what real people think and like what's going on so maybe they thought you know enough time has passed they've probably forgotten because if they are just if they were aware they would have moved to australia which i do think would have been really good for them yeah like i think there could be opportunities there yeah and i i think i i honestly don't know i actually think that there's more opportunities in america for them still than there are in the uk like even acting for her they were saying that she was going to be in guy richie's show or whatever but like then no one will watch the show at least in america like maybe people would still watch the show because americans love suits it's true no and she's a good actress i've re-watched suits and i feel like it gave me a whole not re-watch watch it for the first time only a few years ago and i feel like it gave me a whole new respect for megan markle yeah so i felt like she still could have acted here i'll be very curious to see what their reason like what is the reason yeah and i also think that maybe charles's statement was meant to put to rest some of the rumors that he's like dying you know because that's people just blamed it on him they're like he's dying they have to go back it's his dad but still like everyone's been like sick and and dying yeah kate had cancer they came back kate had cancer the queen died philip died charles has cancer so much has happened so and now like it's actually insane that they exited during queen elizabeth's reign like seriously so disrespectful seriously disgusting they're so weird to me like freaky as hell i hate people who i can't like understand i don't understand like this decision no when i said this on patreon and what i don't understand is why it's so hard for them to just like act normal like they didn't have to do anything they came here so beloved everyone throwing money at them throwing homes throwing planes and like all you had to do was just like be normal but instead everybody hates like the people around them like they don't have the same friends that they did the people who worked with them don't want to work with them like companies and assistants and everything and it's like why is it so hard for them to just like be normal yeah like don't fuck it up and not be like so much of a repellent and yeah repellent that's what it is people were really not i mean i just it just resurfaced the clip of kim and chloe on chloe and wonderland talking about the whole megan markle thing i'm like you could just tell they like fucking hate her and it's like i think that everybody leaves an interaction with them with that bad taste in their mouth and it's right so it's like why are you giving everyone such a bad taste just like say less do nothing and people will just like you because like you're so important yeah and cool and royal whatnot royal and and you're the royal mavericks and so no one was mad about the megs they like people like them for that so all they had to do was just like come here and retire yeah and they couldn't do that that's what i can't understand how you can literally repel everyone around you like just with your personality yeah it has to be so bad yeah i can't relate can't relate can we will of course keep you abreast on any and all updates on the now that the toast is back we will be what is the name of this like when they left it was megxit mentrants like what is it called no but it's a return what would be like a return retagin megan marturn i don't know i like retagin i don't get it return megan oh set up in the comments if you if you could do better than retagin what did the new york post you a throne back oh they also did oh our long national nightmare is over that was so funny like what's what's the one right what's the and i love a blend megxit i loved that i'm gonna go to thesaurus.com a word harke megan excuse me like like harry homecoming megan oh homecoming megan harke megan i think it could catch on harke megan i got it don't don't stress okay because thesaurus.org is giving me nothing okay are you ready for our next story yep dancing with the stars season 35 cast and prose so we got the rest of the cast of dancing with the stars and their partners are you ready i am ready there wasn't anyone who was like a major shock i think julia styles is shocking people she's currently like my pick for winner okay we'll get into that but so we have sierra miller and brandon armstrong brandon danced with lauren last year yeah he danced somebody who got out early and stunk so yeah i think it was lauren's because i don't know him he deserves he deserves an upgrade and sierra feels like a fair good choice yeah i feel like they did switch this year like the pros who got worse or people last year dancing with the stars fans like always claim that like there are certain people who get and it's true like mark ballas always gets someone good so does val um but i think they try to like switch it up with everyone as much as possible so we have maura higgins and mark ballas so cute they know each other from traders oh cute oh i love that jackson olsen from savannah bananas and emma slater that's gonna be fun and she deserves like a fun dance she had andy she did the most with yeah so imagine what she could do with like a a young able-bodied yeah then we have whitney carson and guillermo which we knew and she's pregnant and it's perfect literally perfect jenna dewan and val i need them to be they'll be okay but i need them to be so for real like this giving heather morris from glee at a certain point like this show is not fair uh is she a dancer she was just in a dance movie no she was the host of you so you think you can dance like she's very much in the dance world it's not honestly it's not as egregious as um mike chang from glee no he's he's on this season um but it's it's got people's feathers ruffled and I agree oh I didn't see any of that but she also really looks like the wife uh Jenna Johnson yes and they have like the same they both start with Jenny then we have Ezra Frech and Daniela Karagach who's Ezra I believe he's a para-Olympian oh cool yeah they always got an athlete in there love that Julia Stiles and Ezra Sosa yeah I feel that this is a perfect pairing as Julia Stiles has like a lot of lore and pop culture as it pertains to dance but just like of course yeah in general as it pertains to dance and I think that like the gay pro is perfect for her I think he will deliver on like uh 10 things I hate about you yeah all the lore um their tiktoks have already been like very funny and I think he's perfect for her and I do think she's the perfect person she has like a little bit of background in dance but she's by no means a dancer even some of the tiktoks and she's been making I'm like oh she's not like as good as I thought but I think she'll really improve and it's almost like a muscle that she hasn't flexed in a while and I think that they have potential to win yeah especially because like she's older than she was when she was doing those movies it kind of reminds me of like Elaine Hendricks a little bit like she was a big dancer back in the day and now it's a muscle that she hasn't flexed in a while Harry Shum Jr. and Jenna Johnson this is like legit unfair he's actually maybe a better dancer than her like he is fully trained he was like the dancer on Glee I know he's gone on to do more stuff but like to me he's on Grey's Anatomy he's my Chang like this is egregious and so they made a tiktok of Val and his partner which is Jenna Dewan and Jenna Val's husband and her partner Harry and it just looks like four professional dancers and honestly like Harry Shum Jr. was like a better dancer than Val like it was actually you I'll show you the video people are so upset about it and rightfully so it's just so obvious also that's funny there's a pro and I think it might be Brit I'm not sure who it is who's like dream partner she's always said is Harry Shum Jr. and it's like they didn't give it to her so people are like there's Jenna favoritism because Jenna and Val and Jenna always gets good people and also like Jenna last no Jenna had Corey Feldman last season so she's oh she's she deserves it it's like when you're coming last in the draft and like at the NFL so you get first pick of the draft that's what this is she deserves it she wasn't even on last season I thought she took the season off she was literally on two weeks but she was with Corey okay and they were like beefing too like it was a horrible season for her I don't even know her because she was not on the show so I think this is very fair me too Giada De Laurentiis and Alan Burstyn I love this not your favorite I love this are you gonna be texting Giada every week I'm texting Giada she's a perfect person for it um like I literally love this I love like this is what Dancing with the Stars is all about this is Dancing with the Stars she's so random like Giada okay slay I know I actually just like started I don't know why recently like her Instagram came up for me before Dancing with the Stars and I was just like she makes a lot of content she makes like party stuff she's always been just sort of like difficult to champion because she's so skinny and she's Italian so always cooking like pizza and pasta it's a girl be so for real but not me body shaming like I'll stop yeah and like judging it's just like she's she's always been the skinniest person on Food Network it just like didn't add up it's okay I don't I feel like if you're cooking like Greek food like okay Greek food's super healthy like Italian food is not but and she always is like Parmigiano Reggiano it's like you just say Parmesan like I just feel like you're stereotyping never trust a skinny chef that's what the kids say next we have Connor Wood and Riley Arnold Connor what is fibula um I shit first of all like there's always a couple will they won't they like this is them first of all second of all um you'd love to see a friend of the toast out here doing big things former guest host people love him I think he'll get a lot of votes and you'd love to see like the influencer sector being represented yeah so this is our influencer for the season yeah fibula and Tyler Cameron I love him uh Tyler Cameron but he's a reality star he is like an influencer he is with Sharna Burgess oh and Sharna Burgess is returning can you remind me I get her so confused with Shanna Mochler she's not Shanna Mochler but she's with Brian Austin Green now now she is Megan Megan Fox's ex yeah okay um and she won with Bobby Bones so she was like one of the most controversial winners of all time yeah so she's with Tyler C who I think Tyler C is going to be amazing I think any time people are reminded of Tyler C or like he's on their televisions like everyone falls in love with him all over again so even though he hasn't been on he does like HGTV stuff but he hasn't been on like the Bachelor in a while so you would have to check that out I would have thought like he's no longer eligible for Dancing with the Stars because it's usually like right after I think people are going to remember like how much he's a heartthrob I love him I do want to say and I have no proof of this I think he's a horrendous dancer like I could just see him having like no rhythm and like being very difficult to train and this is somebody who's been like out of the game for a few years like I do think they will struggle yeah they will but he'll be like you know an improvement and he can only do so well and he'll get really far just like based on his looks yeah and eagerness to get better he's seriously just so handsome yeah next we have Conor Lee Ovid and Adele Zeichman Adele Zeichman won Dancing with the Stars the next pro which was their you know grilly project style show this summer where they sought to find the next pro and I've seen clips of her and it seems like it was like the most obvious choice in the world she's an unbelievable dancer um there's like a lot of online whether Conor would like not Conor was excuse me Conor oh we had two Conors on the season is eligible to have been selected as a star like he's kind of a nepo husband people say and Whitney's like making all this content with her nepo husband sure like they're very much engaging with the rhetoric because overall the feedback I've seen is that people are really underwhelmed by this group of people like this casting I think last year was so there were so many stars like so many it girls like it was really um it was kind of a banner season for them last year I'd say in terms like they got good people Whitney was huge for them Alex Earl was huge for them Robert Irwin was huge for them um Jordan Childs was huge for them I think that the overwhelming sentiment is like this is a little lackluster and I think people are pinning that on Conor which is not fair so I have a lot of thoughts on Conor and it's just crazy because like Whitney had so much success offline like almost like online off the show on the show like they were very hard on her the fans fucking hated her and she didn't even make top four and now it's like her husband is the next choice when she on the show she actually didn't make that huge of an impact like she should have it really all happened like online after the fact and you know who's vomiting is Jen Affleck like it was hard enough but also it's it's crazy that there's not a Mormon wife on the cast and I feel like maybe there was supposed to be yeah and they couldn't get one because of scheduling or something and so they went with Conor I feel like they could have gotten one and I feel like Conor sort of took like the salamouse spot even though they had two last year um it is crazy that there's not a secret lives but there's Sarah Jane Nader you know which is so random Sarah Jane Nader is not random she's exactly who would be on the show I think someone in the ABC family yeah but I think when people are talking about like the underwhelming nature someone with 70,000 Instagram followers like is a shock oh wow okay I saw a lot of Sarah Jane Nader um like discussion I guess it's like different strokes for different folks because here we go we have Amber Glenn and Pasha Pashkov Amber Glenn is an Olympic figure skater I don't know her but I know people were like very excited about her and I don't know I'm not familiar with her lore that's so funny I was looking at the picture of the two of them I thought he was Amber Glenn and that she was Pasha I'm cracking up like I'm like I never saw Amber Glenn and the men's figure skating like I because I don't know either of them but now but Pasha also colored his hair so that's why I'm confused because I never saw Amber Glenn and the men's figure skating but now I remember him from last yeah of course with Danielle yes yeah um and then Sarah Jane Nader and Hayley Bills so Sarah Jane Nader is the sister of Brooks Nader and she is dancing with Hayley Bills who is also a first-time pro Derek Huff's wife right why do I think that I think she is no I think no no I think that's someone else because Hayley Bills is like very young oh okay um but there I think he's also married to like a Hayley dancer and Hayley Bills was in like the troupe that used to come out like in between yeah yeah yeah like she was on now she's a pro the minor leagues and and they're making you know some more herstory as a female dancing couple because Sarah Jane Nader is bisexual yeah she's actively dating Pete Davidson so I feel like it's really not necessary that they pair her with a girl um like I feel like when they did it with Jojo Siwa like it was just it was sweet like it was really um Jojo Siwa I know so it's kind of like a curse like I feel like it like it changes your sexuality like no I'm totally kidding by the way like that was obviously a joke um I just feel like I thought Sarah Jane was like a lesbian and then the Pete Davidson thing happened I'm like oh maybe she's not and so I just feel like I don't know like if you can date Pete Davidson you can dance with a man yeah like if there was some like I was saying like Ellen DeGeneres went on Dancing with the Stars like she should dance with a woman for sure the thing is is like dancing is not about your sexuality I feel like right and if you're saying it is about sexuality then like all these people who are married and like bumping and grinding on each other it's sexual yeah I'm like kind of a purist when it comes to ballroom dance like it's so it's so gendered right like the man lifts the women and it's like it's very old school is Haley gonna be lifting up Sarah Jane yeah and it's like or is Sarah Jane lifting up I don't know it's like sweet to always be inclusive of course but like you can dance with anyone like dancing is just like a beautiful thing that everyone can do with everyone like no and it's like Scott Coying. Danced with a woman. Correct. And he was fine. Completely. And so it's like all like, yeah, I'm sorry. This is not for me. Especially with somebody who's like actively dating Pete Davidson. It's not even like she's dating anyone. She's dating Pete Davidson. Like can't lay her hands on a man. So I just feel like it's a little performative. It's beyond performative. And yes, I. It's actually the definition of performative. I like ballroom dance. Like I just, I like it. It's OG version. Like they've been doing it for decades, man and woman. And it's like the man's gay, the woman's gay. Nobody cares. The man's married. The woman's married. Nobody cares. I feel a little bad for Haley Bills. It's her first season. Well, no, I don't feel bad because honestly, she's already like making a splash and like. I guess so. But she has like this abridged version. It's not the training that she's used to for her life. You know, she's already figuring out how to make a choreo for the show for the first time and teach someone how to dance. And now like it's not the dynamic she's used to. I think it's a two night premiere. They're like the men are going first and then the women are going. I'm sad. I love Dancing with the Stars. I can't believe there was a time when I didn't watch it. There's more people. Oh my God. Taylor Hanson and Britt Stewart. Another situation where I'm not sure who the pro is. Britt is the pro. Oh, Taylor Hanson. He's from Hanson. Mbop. Yeah. Okay. A lot of the Britt stans are like, you know, a little myth that like for two. She had Baron Davis last year. I think he was actually the first person out that she's constantly getting like kind of shitty. But she also ended up marrying, I think, one of her first partners, the actor from Coda, who was deaf and she like learned sign language. It was so sweet. They're still married. So she's gotten a lot from the show. But yeah, she's kind of like gotten shit two years in a row. But Hanson could maybe dance. Maybe. But I don't think he's has hordes of fans. And if they do, like, I don't know if they're voting, texting to vote. And then Tatiana Ali and Jan Rovnik. Jan. Who's Tatiana Ali? I don't know her. She was on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Oh, right. Of course. Yeah, of course. And she had that viral TikTok with Will Smith. That started the Dochi Anxiety Challenge. It's a little TikTok lore for you. Very interesting. This is a huge cast. Yeah, I know. It like never ended. I guess it always is. It never ended. And then at some point they really start chopping people off. Like. I do agree with like the criticism that it's not star-studded. But I just feel like last year was an anomaly. And I think that's because of Alex Earle, period. Whitney wound up being a huge sensation on the show. But when she came on, she was just a Mormon wife who's on the show because she's on Hulu. Yeah. Alex Earle was like, when even you were shocked, you were like, why is she doing this? Robert Irwin was big. I think that it just felt like Dancing with the Stars was like coming up in the world of TV as like no longer a thing that was considered lowbrow. And now I feel like this cast is just sort of like on par with their usual seasons. Yeah, I think we just like got Alex Earle-ified. And this is what it's always been. It's the Alex Earle effect. Yeah, this is what it's always been, honestly. And we have like Maura and Ciara. Like this is always the sort of cast. And then we have Hanson. That's classic Hanson. It's classic stuff. We have a figure skater. It's classic stuff. Are you ready for our next story? I don't know if our cards are ready. We're approaching two hours. Okay, you get to pick one more story. Okay. There was one I wanted to cancel anyway. You want to talk about? Oh my God, we have to talk about the Beermans. This is so upsetting. And I really mostly wanted to talk about it because I've kind of propped up this family for so many years. I'm always talking about them. Like they, up until recently, like were hilarious. And I did just want to make like an official resignation and like make it be known. Like this is not something I can get behind. They're out. And you like stood, you stood by through acquired gauges recently too. Yes. No, and they've been through a lot publicly. And like, I'm always like, like seeing the best in them. That ends today. This is such a disturbing story. Every detail, and it keeps getting worse and worse. It went from two charges to seven charges. It is a sign of like such moral depravity in their house that I'm so upset by it. Like the details give me a chill down my spine. And like, I am out. So KJ Bierman, who is the 15 year old son of Kim Zolciak. He's the one that got bit by the dog. And Croy Bierman, he is being accused of sexual assault and sodomy. So he went to jail. I think he's still in. He's in jail. He might get out on bond. And so he will, he will actually be subject to strict stipulations if he gets out of jail after being indicted in this sexual assault and sodomy case. His new normal will be close, close monitoring if granted bond, sexual assault case expert. are saying there's a likelihood he'll be released and he will have a lot of conditions he'll be on gps probably be on house arrest and having to do school at home yeah based on what i had read it seems that they have like a pretty good amount of damning evidence for there to be so many charges and for them to be holding him in jail right now yeah so the charges are aggravated child molestation aggravated sodomy aggravated sexual battery false imprisonment and three counts of aggravated sexual battery against a child under 16 stemming from an alleged incident in alpharetta georgia earlier this year um the charges are unbelievably serious and could result in decades of prison time if he is convicted and the fact uh that he remains behind bars could suggest that there's a very strong case against yeah um that's what i like i've heard people who like know more about the case saying like the fact that there are so many charges and he's still being held yet they said not releasing him into the custody of his parents with electronic monitoring of some kind surprises me you right the crimes are so egregious like what he's actually being charged with um it's it's very disturbing that i mean anytime something like this happens but that a 15 year old could and would do this um like i said it's it's a sign i think of like true moral depravity and it's so upsetting and kim zolciak released a statement that bothered me so much like obviously she's my son is innocent yada yada against these claims from this woman she said the word woman the girl's 15 or i don't know how old she is but she's under 16 it's like yeah it was such an intentional use of language um to like i guess lighten the the severity i just thought it was so disgusting um you're all white trash quite frankly like i just i there are so few stories like actually like leave me speechless this is egregious it's egregious like every element sodomy 15 years old like i'm out on this family beyond out by yeah oh it's really nauseating no it's frightening and if you look at pictures of me he's this huge kid i think he's a football player um it just like it actually makes me sick like i feel sick yeah sick well look forward to justice being served yeah i'm curious if they are gonna let him out like i feel like when you're on trial on bail right before your trial unless you're like a murderer flight risk or i think depending on the degrees of the if you're for tax fraud i think they'll let you stay at home yeah yeah yeah um very upsetting i know we didn't get to everything today but like the show does have to get up so it does and then the only other thing which we talked about on patreon which i know that you like hate and love to talk about is lindsey clancy oh i oh i guess we haven't spoken about it since it's a mistrial mistrial which is i'm like a little confused by like i don't know where we go from here um my opinion has not changed um i'm actually feeling even like more fervent than ever um if you want to hear like my rant and i the crazy thing is like this has really taken women like women are divided i'm not even divided but like this is like very much like a women's issue that people are talking about women are divided no the women are divided and i think that um we have a huge female audience and like i think a lot of you guys like would majorly disagree with me i have actually never felt more strongly about anything and maybe in the history of the toast like i think she should be locked the fuck up i have so many thoughts and somebody it's crazy how like people are getting canceled for like their takes on this um yeah and so like i guess i think i have what i've said on the patreon it's like an eighth of how i feel like i have the strongest takes but i'm being accused of not supporting postpartum women which is literally the opposite like if you watch this show like you know how false that is um so it's just like one of those things i don't even want to talk about but i feel so strongly that like maybe i could change the opinion of one person because to be honest i've seen some takes from women that i think people have gotten i think me ashamed to be a woman and share gender with some people like i think people have gotten a little lost in the sauce and i've seen a lot of people or like even people that i talked to be like in the beginning i was like you know by the way jackie do you remember when i brought it up on the toast i almost got caught up in this like social media i don't know how like all of this has like obfuscated the fact that like the woman killed three children three children are dead whatever led her to whatever sad circumstances you know that got her there led her there very sad sorry to hear that but you killed your children and the worst should happen agreed and i think that um oh there's so like so much to say i think that i'm actually finding it very difficult to discuss this with people in both online and like in my own life because i'm feeling like are are you serious and i think there's like levels of people who like think x things but i think like people who think the husband did it like i actually i i i can't talk to people who think that the husband did it because yeah if you think that the husband did it then yeah this woman's being like wrongfully convicted no but it's so the child murderer but it's like they're not even her her own team is not even trying to say that she did of course her lawyer had said many times during the trial that like admittedly she did it and i think that it's so like i watched footage of the funeral and like the speech that he made and they're like it's weird he went to costa rica and he got remarried it's like why don't you shut the fuck up like if somebody loses all three of their kids at the hands of their wife how about they can do whatever the fuck they want like i don't care how they he ran a marathon okay like i literally don't care like for them and i feel like we talked about that when i watched the brian coberger um idaho i was like saying how it's so weird that it all happened 4 a.m and that the kids didn't call the police until noon and they had a detective on the documentary being like we didn't think that was weird at all like you really can't predict how someone's going to react in the wake of a tragedy like something that's so shocking and traumatizing so it's like okay maybe you think he should have waited six years before getting married it's like and like the judgment that's coming to this man who literally lost his three kids like I think it shows again my favorite phrase today a moral depravity in our culture that like we can't let this man rest and like Lisa Rinna making TikToks Patrick did it like there's no proof like I just I actually can't and I know the comments are going to blow up from this but like I'm so I feel so strongly and I'm so steadfast in my beliefs I'm like you're not changing my mind if anything I'm becoming even more radicalized yeah no so I guess like the mistrial they weren't going to convict her and also what happens to her whether she's convicted or not is the same um because she's like paralyzed and going to be like in a care facility whether she's like you know it's a mental illness declaration or just jail like there's no jail for her really um so like what happens to her is mostly the same but it's more so about like the legal precedent and so I'm glad there was no precedent set that you can get away killing your kids your three kids agreed and then I guess you get like mentally evaluated every six months right so there is like a higher chance of you getting out and like having more no and like a lot of people there's like cases in the past like mostly with black women who's who's medical records aren't even admissible in court so like the fact that they might have struggled with a mental illness like doesn't even get to be spoken about but like like I'm sorry I actually can't talk about this yeah so I guess like mistrial is like a best case scenario um for those of us who want to see justice I need I heard that the lone juror is going to be on Nancy Grace that's what I heard and when I tell you that will be like the interview of the century yeah I need to know who it is they say like there's a lot of rumors people say because it was a jury of like nine women three men um that it was one of the men I think it was one of men I think someone like outed that in the pronouns that they used to describe the situation curious yeah so yeah that's always a can of worms the world I wasn't going to bring it up today because it's so it's I wasn't going to either but actually like you're so glad you've never had to deal with postpartum depression it's like we're not talking about postpartum depression first of all and second of all like that's so like you're missing the point yeah no you just you can't kill three children you just can't do it and you just can't know and the fact that like she's even on trial trying to save her own life like there's like a very famous case I think people are comparing it to Andrea Yates who like is I think the most it was a while ago um killed her kids I think she said she was in psychosis and she like she was literally begging to be killed right this story is so fucking fishy with it and bringing your kids in your pink shirt to the courthouse like we have lost the plot and I I'm not associating myself with these people like no not me no so I wasn't going to bring it up either but I guess the fact that it was declared a mistrial happened yeah we had to talk about it last week and we hadn't discussed that so um that's really the biggest story yeah and that's all for today there's so much we didn't discuss but the week is young you guys and so are we thank you so much for listening to the toast the Monday morning show we deliver 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