‘To Live and Die in L.A.’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

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A bunch different Ringer Podcasts. More importantly, it's CR Month. Let's go. We begin to talk. We're taping this. Fargo is about to come up as we're taping this tonight. So this is the third movie of CR Month. We did. Sikari was the first movie. And people are already saying like, where does this go from here? Is it? I think it should end. This month of the show, like we did it. Well, we were talking. Could there be a feast? Oh, yeah. Could there be a carnival? Sanji Nero. Yeah. I want to do like VR experiences like in the film Disclosure, but with you inside of the game, we're reenacting other stuff. I was thinking like that where they filmed to live in Dinoa. There's a couple areas that are just not far from our downtown. They're really nice. Yeah. Yeah. So one of them is right next to where Major Domo is. Absolutely. We're the entire scene before the chase scene. But yeah. Anyway, to live in Dinoa, the third movie of CR Month, and it's next. This episode of The Rewatchables is presented by Tiktok. The online world moves fast. That's why Tiktok approaches teen safety with families in mind. From the start on Tiktok, teens get over 50 built-in protections right when they join. They're accounts that are private by default for those under 16 direct messages are turned off. Only friends can comment on their videos. When safety comes first, discovery can follow. Learn more at tiktok.com/guardiansgod. CR, we've been circling this one for a long time. It feels so right. Just doing laps. It's like a 1500 meter race. Watching me watch this movie for the second and a half time this weekend. And she was like, don't you think you got it by now? And I was like, I had it. I had it 15 viewings ago, it just feels good. We always do this on the west between how much you love this movie. My love for Miami Vice in this whole era and then Sean's love for Freed King, like we just like been circling this forever. Freed King said, all the films that I have chosen to make are about the thin line between good and evil. Yes. That's what to live and die in LA is about. The thin line between the policeman and the criminal, the best cops are always crossed. The best cops are the ones who are able to think like criminals. But for a quirk of fate, they might have been criminals. I mean, this is heat. This is half the movies we like. If there was an AI that could just go in our brains and write a final draft script, crime thriller, good versus evil and cops and criminals getting too close to the line both ways would be the sweet spot. It would be, but I wonder whether if we had a hundred chances, we'd have the balls to make it as unredemptive and dark and cynical as this movie is, which is still one of its greatest qualities. Red sun rising. Yeah. The beginning. Red sun rising near the end. Important Freed King movie because this is kind of it. This is the big comeback. Yeah. This is the, I'm saving it because he had two stinkers in a row. No offense to cruising, which is obviously beloved in this house, but you know, not a bit right? I didn't use the words thinker. Maybe commercially unrealized. Commercial. Commercial, yes. Misunderstood during its time. A cutch is on coupling of theater goers and the movie. Perhaps widely reviled. Bill said it was a picture of the combat zone this weekend that I, but the hairs of my arms stood up for the recrues. Yeah. There's an old time Boston, Twitter feed and the combat zone. No response from anybody. There has been a reclamation of cruising. There has not been a reclamation of deal of the century, the movie that followed. So it's a theater. It's a tough one. Yeah. It's a tough one. It was almost a career under almost a career under and he just trips way back down to what got him here in the first place with French connection for this movie, which I agree. I wrote down this is a super nasty and unflattering movie for every single person in it. It's kind of an amazing piece of fuck you cinema. Yeah. You're not even sure who the worst person in the movie is and I'm still not sure all these viewings later. Yeah. I'm sure betrays somebody else, tries to get somebody else killed gets corrupted. Probably the only person who's like most principled might be the willing to foe character in some ways and it's immersion not only in the language and procedures of the U.S. Secret Service of which there really only been like a handful of really cool movies about Secret Service agents. That plus the immersion and of now lost art form, I think of counterfeiting money. An LA in a moment that like I can kind of recognize the city that I live in in this movie. But it's so far gone that I feel like I'm nostalgic for something I never experienced. You know, like when they're driving around, they go to like the strip clubs and the bars and the bridges and the scrap yards and everywhere that they're hanging out. You're like, oh, I can see the bones of this, like the fossils of it under the dirt. But it's so gone that it's almost like a real period piece to watch. Craig probably didn't watch this one with Liz. I'm guessing. No, she kept saying there's a lot of gunshots going on out there. Was she sitting right next door, like with the shiver ear against the door? I was watching it pretty loud. I had to kind of lock in because Wayne Chun kicks in. You're like Wayne Chun. You didn't work the speakers. Also, the car chase is quite long and she's like, man, this car chase is going for a while. Yeah, sure is. Almost that long enough. Yeah, I would say this is a male fan movie, would be my guess, the Venn diagram of people like this. I'm going to say it was very bad. I did pause to show Liz. Her favorite show is Frazier. I'm sure you see where I am going here. Yes. I did pause reading her into saying, I'm going to ruin this. Your favorite actress. We praise Jane Leaves on this day. Well, we have Jane Leaves and Panko, who was in a mad about you. Mad about you for a while. So I'll give you my history of this movie was just against it when it came out. And it was a Miami Vice thing because I love Miami Vice. And the chronology of this movie tied to Miami Vice is really important because there's two reasons that didn't do well. One is MGM Ted Turner. They just didn't get behind it. They buried it. Came out in November. The other thing was Miami Vice was too hot at this point. So Miami Vice is this movie's filmed from late October 84 to late December 84. Miami Vice premieres in September of 84. Key point. Miami Vice, not successful year one, like culty successful. It's still watched by a lot of people on network TV. Not successful though. And it was very underground. I liked it because I was an only child who was home on Friday nights, a lot of the time. There's a since myth busted myth that there was some litigation between the Miami Vice. It's not true. I'm just saying there is a myth busted. You can see it from the dates. He's filming this. This isn't even know Miami Vice is the thing. So Miami Vice becomes successful that summer in the reruns. Back when a reruns could really like summer of 85 summer of summer of 85, the reruns get it going. A lot of people catch up and there's real anticipation for the season two premiere, which is in New York. Tubbs goes back. Pam Greer is in it. Our girl from Jackie Brown 70s icon two parter, a lot of buzz and it the show hits and it's just like a massive show. The best show of season two was October 18th, out where the buses don't run. There are straights for others and arms. Maybe the best seven minutes of my life. Is this part about Miami Vice? Well, I'm telling you. If we do 10 minutes on data map for this. Hold on. I'm looking at the whip it out. In the plate. Go ahead. Sorry. So that's October 18th. And we're kind of used to this Miami Vice elevated crime bad guys, good guys who's crossing the line video and all the things that the movie does, which comes out two weeks after that dire straights episode. And it's the first one where people are like, when we make it, Miami Vice movie rip offs now. Fuck this. And you could feel it. I'm telling you, like, I didn't see this in the theater because I was like, oh, that's bullshit. They're ripping off Miami Vice. I mean, while it didn't and I feel like it took for years and years for this to become what it became. Ebert will explain it now, gave it four stars, like it was critically light, really widely hailed. Yeah. But it just didn't hit. And let's, let's be honest, it costs $6 million to make this. They made it with essentially no name actors at the time, Peters and Pankow and Defoe are not household names at that moment. So I think it made a profit. He just didn't. it just didn't pop. - It grossed $17 million. - It just didn't do it itself. - It did, okay. - Very uncomfortable with the ending, which we'll definitely get into. - And even when it was being rerun and it made the cable rounds in the '80s, it still felt like this is just like a better Miami Vice episode and I really don't think it kind of took head the legs until the '90s from a rewatchable. - I mean, it has some superficial similarities in that it's just like a hard boiled crime drama set in a very glamorous and wealthy city and it's about duos, right? And there's a lot of, there's a lot of duos and there's this huge criminal enterprise that this duo of cops is after. But after that, like, it's not really that similar, right? - No, it's not. It's taken along to the own hand slash. - And the hard driving '80s music is the other thing. - Right. - Like Wayne Chung just blasting throughout this movie. - Yes. - There was a couple other ones from that era, like being in the hand was like that. That people tried to tap into whatever was going on. But I'm convinced that they released this movie like four months earlier. I think it would have been like five times more popular. Like before the real Miami vice wave, I just think it was hard to compete with it. - It's also a pet area. - We've talked about this with a bunch of movies that come out in this first half of the decade, but our concept of the '80s is much more refined now than our concept of the '80s was in the '80s. - Yeah. - So this movie feels more like the French connection to me than it does what I would think of an '80s cop movie like Tango and Cash or something if that's late '80s, right? Something that's like a lot of action set pieces with guys with long hair who buff, you know? It's like, this is more like guys who are on their last leg trying to scam someone else at a 20 grand or like get revenge on a partner. It's not like the big, stalone Schwarzenegger kind of action movie of the '80s. - Well, you're also, this is one of the great pop culture years of all time, '84 and '85. And so many movies came out in '85 that we've done on rewatches, you know? And just you're just fighting for attention again. So you have, in music, you have prints of Michael Jackson and Madonna and streaming Lewis and Springstay. And you just have these massive artists. TV is as big as it's ever been and you have the whole Cosby show at that point, but then Miami Vice and HBO started this point. Sports is amazing. And movies could just kind of come and go. And I do feel, I do wonder if this movie just comes out in August. Does it remember completely differently? These gritty, like, movies, I don't think they hit like they would have in the '90s. Like I wonder if heat came out in 1985, would it have hit? I don't know. - I just think there was a lot more polished alternatives to this kind of movie in that time. This is the time of internal affairs and black rain. And you had a lot of much more stylized and like sleek prime dramas. And this is a really nasty like boots on the ground kind of a movie and very purposefully so, right? It's so cheap. And so like all that kind of architecture that you're talking about that feels like it's kind of ancient and covered in soot as you go through it, it's not Miami, you know? It is like, it is the bowels of Los Angeles stuffy. - No stars either, which I think is important because even if there's one star in this, I don't know, does it play out differently? It's just, it's really weird to me that this movie wasn't more successful being there in the '80s. Why was this a massive hit? - If chances Richard Girard Harrison for it, it's a completely different movie because you're bringing so much baggage with. - Richard Girard would have been, I have a whole take on this. - Wow, well save it. Friedkin said he had seen Paris, Texas by Wim Wenders and got taken by the cinematography from Robbie Mueller and that was the style he wanted. He wanted this city to be portrayed as, quote, a violent cynical wasteland under a burning sun. - So Robby makes a compass. - Makes three movies right around this time, Reaper Man, set in the punk rock world of Los Angeles, Paris, Texas, which is about two guys on their road trip back to California from the Southwest and to live in Dianne L.A. And he basically brings a European eye. So when he shows up to L.A., Friedkin's not like here do everything I tell you to do. This movie is all about its collaborators. It's all about Wang Chung. It's all about Robbie Mueller. It's all about Lily Cliver who did the production design. It's like, you guys are good at what you do when you bring like a completely new eye. So all this stuff, like when Jeff and Rick are walking from the basketball game, talking about killing to Taro's character in prison and they're walking by the mural and Watts and stuff. It's like, how did you guys decide to stage this year? Like what an eye? And it's like that outsider's eye to L.A. that makes this movie so fascinating to watch. - Yeah, it's high art, low culture. Like that's the my favorite thing. My favorite thing is when like a complete a speed comes into like a really dingy kind of world. And there's like other people in addition, like Leslie Lincoln-Gladder, who we know as like a TV director now did the choreography for the dance sequence. Rainer Wedding, who is like a very exciting German artist and the new German wave did all the paintings for Willem Defoe's character. That's a choice that Friedkin made. Like you don't have to know that stuff to enjoy the movie, but there's so much cool things to look at because of all these choices that these people made. This is what happens when you get to like watch number 10, 10, 15, 20 or whatever with a movie is like, I'll be watching this and like, they'll be talking about whatever, but I'm like looking at the shit that's on the desk in the secret service equipment locker room. I'm like, oh man, look at the drills and screwdrivers and all this stuff they've got hanging on the walls. And like, Pankhouse got to fill out a clipboard 'cause he's putting the shotgun back. And I'm like, this stuff feels so tactile that you can just kind of like live in it over and over again. And you always like to say this, this is a movie that's been completely revived because you can see it now in 4K and you can see it. It does not look like-- - The 4K is incredible. - By the way, I had the poster ready and it didn't show up in time. - Oh no. - It's fuckin' bullshit. I thought we were gonna have a poster. - It's a great poster. - So we had to settle for Puccino and Kilmer and Danero again. Sorry. - You get that burning sun in the poster, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. We'll have it for maybe for the last episode of "Cigar Man." Freakhead said he chose Fringe Areas, the Incerson Gardens and Watts, Temple in 18th Streets, the home of the Crips and Bloods, Sloss and Avenue and South Central. The Vincent Thomas Bridge, Terminal Island Freeway, Vast Power Plants and Womiton, Lewis, St. Louis, Abispo, Prison, et cetera, et cetera. - Yeah, a lot of St. Pedro in this movie. - Yeah. - You see the same Pedro over and over again. - You know you're in LA but it doesn't, it feels like an LA that there's no Hollywood shit. You think about the difference with this in Beverly Hills Cop, which comes out the year before and it's, as well be two different locations. - Yeah, I mean, they shoot like one or two things in like around where Beverly Center is. - Yeah. - And Waxman's supposed to live in Pasadena, but other than that, it's mostly like down by like, downtown or south of that or out in Long Beach or out there. - It's one of the cool things about LA 'cause like swingers does that too, 11 years later, just takes you into this different part of Hollywood and all these little tiny Fringe pieces of it. - This was my huge case for crime 101, which I just feel like it was like a solid movie, but it's shot in LA and there are so many moments in that movie where you can recognize the city that we live in. This would probably be less recognizable to anybody who was living in Beverly Hills at the time though. - Would you say was your sweet spot when artists film and dingy places? - When estheets, yeah, go to dingy places, yeah. - High art local. - Like high art local. - So could the Jetsies and Qualify for this or now? - You could've just, you could've been like, that's very important. - I'm curious. - I mean, there's contribute. - Thank you. No, there's no, there's no artistic soul in the Jets. That's why they're just low culture. - Friedkin almost had a 10-picture $100 million deal with 20th Century Fox. The studio got purchased by Rupert Murdoch and it fell through. So he was back to being movie by movie and option this Joe Petavitch. - Petavitch. - Who makes a cameo in the beginning? - Secret Service agent who had this whole thing laid out Friedkin added the opening terror sequence which we'll talk about in a second, the car chase and then focused earlier on chance and masters. William Peterson, William DeFoe, nobody knew who the fuck these guys were when they make this movie and he, the Peterson things unbelievable. So Chicago stage actor talks him and he's doing it. He's 33. Nobody knows who he is. - He's doing street car in Toronto. - Yeah. - And he goes and sees him. He's like, yeah, that's the star of my movie. - Peterson does that and manhunter back to back, which we talked about in the manhunter thing and he's off. Very strange career after that. But one thing I wrote down, I don't know if you noticed this, Craig, incredible athleticism by Peterson. Like Combine, I think he's like the winner of the Combine. - Yes. - At football player. - At the, oh is that right? - College football player. - Was that what he was? - At the airport, he jumps up on that railing. - Yes. - And runs down the entire thing. That's all one take and clearly him doing it. Super coordinated. - I think there's a bunch of, like that bridge chase down scene. - Oh yeah. - It's another one. But I think Combine, he goes in as like a fourth rounder. It comes out like people are talking about him. High first round. - Cooper DeGene, yeah. - Yeah. - Like holy shit. - Five, four, five, two. - Five, two. - Yeah. - Yeah. Also really wears the jeans in a unique way. I don't know how he does it. He's got kind of this, almost seems pigeon-toed, but has style to him. - It's like John Wayne. He's got, first of all, incredible Jeans movie. - Yes. - Yes. - Dude, dude, they're just crushing, every guy's crushing jeans. - I mean, jeans are just not creating this version of LA. 'Cause you're talking 80, 89 degrees every day. Just a lot of like under-carriage sweat. - Yes. - I guess in the jeans. - He's heated to care. - Yeah. - You think this movie would be better if everybody is wearing like all birds joggers. (laughing) Fairly dressed like JJ Redick. - C.R., where does he rank for your all-time, he's not going to play by the rules characters for top cop movies. - Yes. - I'll give you Marion Cabretti. I'll give you Marion Cabretti. Do you have any Steven Segal cut movie? I'll give you Popeye and French connection. I don't know who else is in there. - I think Chance is almost unique in just how brazen he is about it. Like he's at his house and he's just like, I'm getting this guy and I don't care. Like I'm just gonna keep going down the rabbit hole of crime until I find my objective. So and Popeye Doyle like is constantly breaking what we would consider laws now. I wonder if it's more of a depiction of like the state of civil rights in New York City in the '70s, but Chance is up there. - Well, he's at nine out of 10, but Dennis Peck is still a straight 10. - Well, Dennis Peck is Satan. - Yeah, he's, Dennis Peck's a full 10. - I thought a lot about Caruso and NYPD Blue, actually watching him. I feel like this is a little bit of like a model for that too. - That's a good one. - You feel like he was dirty? - I feel like he stretched the limits of what he's susceptible. - Meaning one of the first season, one of the great first seasons ever, but he finds out about Amy Brennanman's character and just bears the info for episode after episode. - He pushes the limit a little bit on what was ethical. - Yeah, I like when the cop, you just can't get a handle on it. - I just love it. - He's getting willing to get dark. - The fact that he gets to go undercover in this and be Mr. Jessup is great. I love it when they get into deep into their cover stories. - I always love this guy, obviously. - Interesting. - He does these first two and then he does amazing grace and chuck, which is a reprehensible movie. It's really awful. But does feature Alex English playing an exhibition game with the '86 Celtics? There's five hall famers out there at the same time, Sean. I know that's meaningful for you. - You're an exhibition. - Really, really, truly awful movie. And then he's in Long Island, which I kind of like and just kind of came and went, but is a really decent 80s sports movie. You don't like it? - No, I do. I mean, this is my hardest take. - You wanna do it now, go. He's two movie choices away from being in the Mel Gibson, Michael Douglas, Jeff Bridges, Richard Geer, Bruce Wilson. - Should we go through that? - I mean, it's those two movies. He does those two movies. And if he doesn't do them, and just does almost anything else in '86 and '87, and then makes one choice, maybe two, in '89 and '90. He's probably in the Mel Gibson zone in terms of how famous he is. - Well, I'll give you the choices. He turned down Henry Hill on Goodfellas. - Yeah, allegedly. - Tough one. - He turned it down to do Young Guns 2. - And to do a Kennedy's mini series. - He did play back, Pat Garrett. - Kennedy's mini series, he did as well. He also, so he turned out a major role in he multiple sources, but I don't know what role it was, and it's a great question of what role would he have turned down. I would assume it's the John Voight. - Yeah, we're Fickner, or I can't see him. - He's Roger Van Zant. - Yeah, but I can't see him being Trito at that age. - Fickner is interesting. I could see that. - There wouldn't have been Kilmer's part, right? No, no. - I don't think so. - He also reportedly declined and offered a place, one of the characters in Platoon. - So this is the thing. - Oh, that's true. - I heard that in my notes. - It's right there, and watching him even with Defoe, you're like, oh my God, what could have been in that? - He turned down Platoon, so he could do Amazing Grace and Chuck and Long Gun. - So he turned down the Berenger part in Platoon, or do they say? - They didn't say which one. - Okay. - He looks like it's unclear. He was basically like, I don't want to go to boot camp for six weeks to do this movie. And that's the other thing with him is he's kind of like, I'm doing what I want, but the thing is, within five years after turning down Goodfellas, he's playing the dad and fear. And like, that's how much it can change. Now, he gets the last laugh for sure, but you're talking about like one of the major sliding doors in movie star history, I think. - He does, so he was in fear. He's in the rap pack, which I think is one of the four best HBO movies of the '80s, '90s, 2000s. He plays John Kennedy in the rap pack. - Yes. - He's excellent in it. And that movie's awesome. It's only available on YouTube. But I don't think they could get the rights to the music, sake of finding YouTube. And then he's in the contender, which he's also really good at. - Yes. - But the moment's kind of over at that point, what happens? He goes to CSI in 2000, and just makes all-time fuck you money. - Yeah. And also I'd like 25 million people a week watching him. - And the reason he works on that show is the same reason he works on the movie. He's insanely watchable. You're like, you're just locked in when he's on screen. You want to be following along his journey. You care about him, which is what? And the choice this movie makes is a crazy one in terms of what happens to his character. 'Cause you're so with him through this, even though he keeps breaking the rules and keeps fucking up. Like we can talk about how much he fucks up as a character. But he's, I think he's a great star. This is an amazing find by Friedkin to pluck this guy out 'cause his casting director told him to go to Toronto. - And then for him to be like, for my partner, we should get my buddy, John Panko, who's like another Chicago actor and not the Chicago stage actor. And it's like those guys have instant chemistry. They're initial scenes together, especially like when he's just like, I'm no snitch, you just should have told me. Like that whole scene in the evidence locker area of the secret service is so good. Those guys have so much stuff going on between them. And I don't know if you get that if you're like, here's two random guys that have never had any relationships. - It's like you and Joe House, breaking down Khan. You know? You guys, you have a lot of history. - It's like his snitch. - Who was the guy, who was the prospect that you were talking about with House in the draft? And he was like, I knew this was gonna be your guy. - Hey, Kuff. - Yeah. - We didn't even talk about it. - We talked about it. - Yeah, yeah. - We both, it was our favorite guy. - It was the worst question. - Honestly. - We're usually alone. So I mentioned this for a bit, Peterson has lived kind of in my relative neighborhood and would see him in different places. And it was everything you wanted where he's just clearly like, I don't act anymore. I made so much money. I have a family. I'm just living my life. I'm having a great time. So it all worked out for him. - He did great. - But I do feel like, could he have been Costar? Like, it's on the table. - You could definitely see him. - Could you have been Crash Davis? - Yes. - You could see him as Roy and Field of Dreams. - Could his next movie have been No Way Out? - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think there's like, can you hold a baseball bat? Can you hold a gun? Can you sit in the president's chair? Those are like big steps for movie stars. - Can you change somebody any of those shots? - Basically, could you drive a car? Can, like, it's him Costar and Mel Gibson. There's only a few of these shots like this. - Sure, yeah. - And not like a short guy. Like, he's got some size to him. He's strong. There's a sexiness to him. I think like that's some of those guys wouldn't be able to pull off like. - But he shows up at what's her face is darling Fulugal's house. He's like, I'm ready. Do you want to just do this now, Craig? Craig wants to do his flex category now. - Do you really? - Speedably in Peterson. - Yeah. He has to hit the Dan Campbell scale for Holy shit are they really going for this? I do think this is like the gratuitous 80s nudity triple axles. This scene where he walks in, she's already naked. He gives her a shirt. Yeah. She puts the shirt on, then gets out of bed. Bear ass, hand on the ass, to the straddle, to the lay her down to the silhouette of his penis. - But he's naked the whole time. - Yes. Underneath the straddle, you see the shadowed silhouette of his genitalia. - And he's going full hang and done. - It is. - It's not just like a dick shot. It's like dick and balls. - By this easy, it's like apparently frequent was like make it as real as you can stand. - I listened to the commentary. He said, I'm setting the camera here, do whatever you want. - Yeah. - And that is why I would use a slightly different category for this film, which is the Steven Segal Hard to Kill award. - I literally had this in mind too. - I think you need a better intimacy coordinator in 2026 for all these like the lights on sets. (laughing) - It's one of those in the 4K Blu-ray where you're watching it. - It's unbelievable. - He's naked 'cause you see his whole Franks and beans. - Yeah. - She's definitely naked. And then she jumps on and they found and you're like, wait a second, was there like, did anyone have any sort of - We're in Donald Sutherland, Julie Christie's own. - Oh yeah. - Very clearly. - Yeah. - Peter, so this movie had a 48th anniversary. And Peterson took his sons, 'cause I think he repaired his sons. And he's like, yeah, I'm excited to take my sons. I'm a little nervous. And I'm like, whoa, I think your sons are getting a little extra surprised with that. - A little popcorn break during that scene. - That is at my mom. (laughing) - Those are your balls. The funniest thing about that scene too is that in the final three minutes of the movie, Prikens like we're going back to that scene. - Yeah. - He's fast-packed. - Unbelievable. But yeah, he's really going for it this whole time. Great job by Peterson. - How many gives you the shirt? Can she put it on? - He's so pretty. - It's just so she can like, he like, lift it, you know, and he's like, see your ass a little bit. - It's crazy. - Because we always talk with actresses. Like, man, why didn't they have a couple more? And I think it's more understandable and actresses, 'cause there was less good parts than the 80s and 90s, 2000s, you just get replaced by the next person. It's really hard to find a leading man, like a Peterson cosner, Gibson, name it. And it felt like he should have been on that. Now, he lives on in a couple of these movies. And then CSI hits the jackpot. So I'm sure it worked out fine. The foe said the very beginning of his journey, four Oscar nominations he ends up with. What do you think for IMDB credits? What number? - He works a lot. I would say, over 150. - Yeah, I would say 127. - Wanna give an exact number? - Let's go 170. - 163. - Wow. - Yeah. - So 84 to 888 is in streets of fire to live and die. - Yeah, it's a four decade tune. - Last temptation of Christ, Mississippi burning. So we have the KKK, we have Jesus. - Jesus. - Yeah. - We have this movie and we have Michael Prez-Bom. - But he's the good guy, Mississippi burning, right? Isn't he part of what happened a while ago? [BLANK_AUDIO] with Hackman. I think I've only seen Mrs. would be brilliant. I think he's an FBI agent in a square and that's the thing in streets of fire and in this movie, he's the two of the most evil villains you could ever imagine. And then he plays Christ in an FBI agent. He had range and then platoon. He's also kind of Christ. And then famously loses the Joker because the studio decides to get bigger and goes for Jack Nicholson. He gets revenge. He could have this whole run and been the Joker. But he gets to play Green Goblin inspiring. So both of these actors do things in this movie that I think more famous actors would just be like, I can't. We have to have some level of redemption. The faux blowing Jimmy Hart's head off after being like, buddy, you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yeah. And chance doing like 15 things in this movie. You would just be like, Hey, man, like I got a career to think about. And I do think in some ways, I wonder whether or not the kinds of movies that Peterson was doing in this ascendancy like to live and die a man under almost like, well, this guy is too dark. I think I fucked him up. Like from the post man Hunter, I think he really had some issues trying to figure out what to do. It's like this anonymous stage actor. Those choices in dark places. Those choices that he made in the late 80s to kind of show him like trying to shift away, like try to do more lighthearted. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's actually I wrote down for the faux really unique ceiling basement potential because he's been great in some stuff. But I also think body evidence and speed two are two of the worst performances by a good actor ever. Like ever. I don't think either of those speed two is like a truly singularly atrocious villain scale performance. Maybe in our villain scale, like a zero at a 10. And body evidence is just a famous conquer with Madonna. It's like a basic instinct gone wrong. It's so bad. It's actually not even fun to watch. It's not like, oh, this is like can't be bad. Yeah. It's just awful. There's nothing good about it. So when he's bad, he's bad and when he's good, he's really good. And he's got an interesting place in Hollywood history at this point. He's not a really good job in the last 15 years of basically saying like, okay, I work with Sean Baker, Robert Eggers, Wes Anderson. Yeah. Like he kind of just lifts up. He still makes a lot of movies with Abel Farara, who he's been friends with for like 50 years. It checks out. Yeah. But you know, he was like, he was an experimental theater troupe in the Worcester group. Yeah. So he's an unusual dude. And the fact that he has managed to balance like really interesting art house movies with the most mainstream movies of all time, like Platoon and Spider-Man is pretty fascinating. I, I really like him in this movie. One of the great faces. I actually think you could argue he's more of a good guy than some of the good guys. That's what I'm saying. I mean, like Rick at least, like, maybe don't go to my site where I'm counter doing counterfeit money there. Old guy with two guys dies before he retires into seduce Max Waxman, you know, he's like, you're trying to fuck my lady. You know, but like for the most part is like a pretty stand up guy. They think good artists. Yeah. Talented painter. And also his own worst critic, like his paintings on fire. You know, you'd love to see that kind of really like, like living up to your own potential. He is also a professional counterfeiter and murderer just for the record. Yeah. So you guys are fluffing him a little bit just once you know, he is a rank criminal. I, I had a feeling the sex scene, they probably went for it to the point where even Friedkin was like, yeah, I'm going to have to take this out. The one is where they're videoing it. Yeah, where they're videoing it. Where it's just like in a brub cut. Yes, where Friedkin was like, yeah, you're probably right. We don't want to get an X here. This movie is whony. Yeah. Well, Darlene and Flughal, mid 80s babe, we talked about earlier to live and die running scared, which we've already done. Yes. She's in crime story, which is Dennis Freena's wife, right? Yeah, it's just never, I really wanted it to work. It's just never quite got there. She was in Hunter and she was Slice Stallone's wife and lock up the movie that I like and maybe five other people. Slice Stallone goes to jail. Did you encounter a new lock up or no? I'm just kind of waiting for my dance partner for lock up. Okay. It's got, have we talked about lock up, Greg? It's got the best sports scene in a movie that's not a sports movie. I think ever. What did they play? They, they have this jail football game and it's fucking spectacular. Like they could run it on NFL Network and people would think it was just a 1958. I felt like I'd take you up on that offer. It's spectacular. Slice Stallone. It's really great. I feel nice. Why are we showing fucking lock up on a Thursday night? Yeah. It's like cross promo with Kyle that you could potentially pull off if you can get lock up. I've tried. Okay. I've done some, some, it's just never got kind of like CR with some of his CR month movies. Yeah. Oh my God. The poll. You want to talk about it now? Well, we just, we're going to take a break in a second, but we should mention the poll. Yeah. We had a poll for the fourth movie and we had some bangers in there. And now people are like, can you just do all 12 of these movies? But the winner I don't know being the nice guys. And I think an indication that the post 2010 generation has a voice as well. Don't fucking suck up to them. I'm not sitting like I got my own month. I don't care. It's trying to stay young, you know? Yeah. I was surprised. Boone's didn't win, but I was too. 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They have this movie in their breakfast club. She's burning fire in the twilight as they're trying to escape from the principal. Just in the same year, I wish that you would take some of your harder-and-money by a sponsorship of a college bowl game, every game at the Wang chung Apex Mountain Bowl. North Texas versus Hawaii. And they would only have to play Wang chung music throughout the entire thing. I appreciate how your announcer voice now is just Robert Lozier. It's Robert Lozier doing monster trucks. I love that. So the story is Freakins. I want you to do all the music for this, as you mentioned, very collaborative. And he's like, the one thing I don't want you guys to do. This is it. Your only instruction. Don't make a song called "To Live and Die" in a way. Because there's no way I'm putting it in the movies. Don't fucking do that. Wang chung gets in the studio. They come out and they're like, "Hey, we made a song just to give this a listen." Freakins, this is like, that's fucking awesome. It films a whole new first seven bits of the movie. It sounds like something I would do a bit of cheer. There's no way we're fucking doing that. It's unbelievable. It's really great. Like, can you imagine being in the in the Freakins office when the Wang chung guys like, "Do they, were they British? Where were these guys?" You know, it's like, "Hey, William, we have a song." Also, this is Hurricane Billy. Like, he's not some shrinking violet. You're like, "Oh, yeah, sure, sure." He's like, no one to be like, "Fuckin, don't do it. Do not put the song to live and die." Do you know what though? He has said that this is the easiest movie he made, which is insane with this car chase and with some of the stuff in there. And I think probably this is the purest reflection of his talent is to just be like, running and gunning. I don't have a lot of studio executives messing with me while I'm shooting. They eventually messed with him when it was over. And then like, he obviously just, like, loves the collaborators he worked with on this because why else would he just be like, "Chung Wang, you guys got it. You have the entire, the canvas is yours. It's blank." And if you guys want to call a song to live and die in LA, let's do it. I mean, this was my music, that 81/86. This was, this was the early alternative with the carer and the Smiths, the order, all those bands. This was not like a major band. They I had like two songs that were like are like reasonably popular. - Everybody won't show up. - Dancehall days, that song wasn't out yet. - Okay, so that's after this. Dancehall days, it was on the third album. This is the fourth album, basically. - Yeah, there were probably 50 Wangchung's. And for some reason, Freakins like these guys. - Yeah. - And just saw it, what was your Wangchung background? - All I know is everybody Wangchung tonight is the only song really. - Yeah, but you were fucking driving around L.A. listening to this soundtrack yesterday. - Yeah, nothing better. I made Liz listen to the song. - I actually, when I watched it last night, I was like, this is the best, look at the sunset. - When I watched the movie last night, I think it's like the first 22 minutes, 24 minutes. I don't know what it is. That it's like, you just ribbit it the entire time. - Because there's the three montages and three beginnings of the movie and it doesn't matter. It's like. - It's so good. - And like, didn't it? - But he fucking does this over and over again. It's like tubular bells in the exorcist. It's tangerine dream and sorcerer. Like, he just has incredible taste and he doesn't have like the same composer that he uses every time, every time he starts from scratch and he's like, here's what I think this movie's vibe is. And he just like, plucks Wangchung out of relative obscurity. Not total obscurity, but they weren't like you said, they weren't huge. - The co-producer on the movie is the editor and there are scenes that they're obviously cutting around the music. Like, it's early music video style. Where it's like, like, when a chance is chasing to throw through the airport, the music comes in right as the siren goes off at the metal detector and you're like, oh man, I'm fucking pumped for this. - I mean, the bummer is that they gave fire in the toilet to breakfast club 'cause there's like four scenes that they could have easily whipped that one in two. Yeah, when, so my wife was like on her phone, like half-watching, but when the opening credits came up and they kicked in with the different shots and the colors and the graphics, like, there was just nothing better in 1985. This was, we peaked. - Yeah. - Even like Michael Mann, like that kind of like, it was just was at another level with the graphics and the colors. It was just great. - I'd probably muller, you know, like that's the same thing. He just plucked this guy more or less out of Germany, I guess he had come to America at that point, but like, there's a perfect fit. And they never worked together again. This is the only movie they made together. - It's so funny 'cause Wang Chung, again, came and went as a band. They probably had five songs that everybody could remember plus Breakfast Club and this movie. And yet, they have a much longer tail now 'cause of the two movies, right? Whereas like. - Doreen Doreen was like a way bigger band, right? And can still tour and do all these different things, but it was never integrated in a movie like this. Tangerine Dream was another one. - You haven't seen the Bone Temple. - What do you mean? 28 years later, the Bone Temple, which just came out prominently uses the music of Doreen Doreen. - Interesting. - Yeah. - You wanna check it out? - Oh, wow. - And one record that Ray Finds' character has. - It's really cool what they do with it. - It would have been funny if Ray Finds was like, "There's this guy Morrissey, I've been fascinated by, "I think he can do all the music "for a television die in LA." Just wanna go completely different. - It would have been a little sadder. - Yeah, it would have been a different vibe. - Yeah, I mean, there's a couple of others that I think maybe, I think the fix, maybe could have done avert. I don't think it would have worked as long as Wang Chung. - In the research, like the alternative, the person that they first approached for this? - It was Miles Davis, right? - Yeah. - It's not a different movie. - I don't know if it's before or after this. - I think maybe right before. - Okay. And so he's like, and that's a completely different film. If Miles Davis is blowing on like all this stuff. - And the movie does still have basically Chicago Blues, which a lot of freaking movies have. There's still like some like cops in a bar or stuff. - It's the perfect pick though. Like if you got into Howard Jones, Howard Jones was like, little more like, I don't wanna say campy, but more romantic. - Yeah. - But if you got into Duran Duran, I feel like it would have been too big. The cure would have been the mood wouldn't have been right. - Or if there'd been like Danny Elfman's Midnight Run score, it would have been too like bar band-E. - I was gonna say Oingo Boingo would have been possible. - Yeah, it's like almost too happy. There's something about Wang Chung where it's happy, but it's also there's something deeper and sinister underneath it. - I mean, I love the Midnight Run Scores. - Yeah, Midnight Run's great. And then we mentioned Los Angeles. - See our month. - Grind the LA movies. This, Denitheves, repo man, repo man, terminator one, training day, the first Fast and Furious, and Fast Four a little bit too. - You guys always laugh at Fast and Furious. You just laugh, you say you're a man of the people, what about all the Fast and Furious lovers? - I'm sure they're out there. - And I welcome them, I welcome to CR Months. - They've received 10 films. - Yeah, because Dan did great. - Anybody else who would have in the LA? - Body double? - Yeah. - Collateral? - Body double's kind of happier though. It's like the. - Except when that girl's getting drilled. - Well, it's like the wealthier era of LA though. I wouldn't say it's grimy. - Would you say collateral is underground? It's K-town. - We're in my double feature corner here. - Yeah, it's close, yeah. It's close. - I mean, there are plenty of, you know, 40s and 50s LA in the last two that do this too. - Yeah. - Some of the people that throw in Chinatown. - What's the one that Maxine's based off of or like take is drawn from? - Oh, the Wing's Houser movie. - Yeah. - Arc. - Shoot. - Not maniac. - Angel? - No. - Not Angel. - I know the Wing has a rivet. - Angel is definitely also has some, is in Maxine as well. - I like Wing's Houser. - Wing's Houser. - Why do you look this up? Mount Rushmore of Car Chases? - Bullet, French Connection, this. - Ronin? - Ronin. - That's what I had for the four. - Yeah. - It's pretty unassailable list, right? - No Fast and Furious. - Are you fucking with them or is it? - I did think about it. (laughing) I think for most people, because the Fast and Furious movies all kind of blended into each other, you're just talking about like a relatively normal whatever movie that then all of a sudden there's just added a control car chase in the movie. - I will say. - I think those are the four. - Contemporary movies, it's not long enough probably to qualify for Mount Rushmore, but I think one battles. Car chase is pretty incredible. - I agree. - Freakin had a crazy quote. I won't read the whole thing, but it was basically talking about, he can't believe he did this car chase, and he was talking about some, oh, he's talking about the movie Taken. It was one of the interviews I read, and he was saying he really liked Taken. He thought Taken was good. So welcome aboard William Freak, because you know you're dead. (laughing) It's just a really nice day at another Taken fan out there. But he was saying what they did with it, there was more CGI, and he's like, we didn't have that back then. We had to put people's lives in danger to make this stuff. And he's like, I was young and stupid, and I didn't really realize like multiple people could have died, and these car chases were making. But I was like, go, go, let's push the envelope, let's push the envelope. And now that I'm older, I kind of can't believe I didn't do it that way. I did it that way. I thought that was interesting. I appreciate his sacrifice and the risks he's taking. I don't, 'cause when we watch movies now, we're like, these guys aren't actually in danger. I think they really weren't in danger in this car chase. There's a drone. Yeah, I think especially in the French connection, it's incredibly dangerous what they did. They're like 90 miles an hour. That one, this one is a little bit more controlled because they were able to shut down the highways. And then the productions take over the highways. So it's a little different. But if people have not read the Friedkin connection, it is one of the very best director autobiographies. It is amazing. You can hear his voice as you are reading and tell the stories. And he's a, I don't give a fuck director. So he tells really great stories about this stuff. But he did a lot of dangerous stuff. I mean, Sorcerer, if we ever do that episode, there's a lot that is was insanely dangerous. Can you do it in the next week? See our month hadn't let us down. I mean, I, once we open it up to the people, you can't really, can't really complain. I mean, you guys turn me on a Sorcerer. I somehow, and that was never on my bingo card for years and years. I think it's another movie though that got incredible with its DVD release. Definitely, but you know, we talked about it on Star Wars. It was like, came out two weeks after Star Wars. So it kind of like culturally got pushed aside. The car chase thing. We're just probably never gonna have another one 'cause nobody would ever do it this way. And I actually feel like that Mount Rushmore could stay. It's one of those rare ones. We're in basketball, you'd ever know. But I think with car chases, I don't see, hey, challenge. Two from the born movies that I would throw in there. The one in the mini from the first one. Well, the last mission to pass about a great one too. The one in Rome or the follow one, whatever the one from two movies ago. Number seven has one in Rome, which is incredible. That one's great. Yeah. I think it's really hard to crack in. I think one battle gets in the conversation 'cause what it did, we just never seen before. It was like, and it was in a new terrain. And the way that even just the camera moving up and down, we'd not really seen that specifically. I guess a little bit in bullet with the car chases in San Francisco, but it was different in that way. It's just hard to iterate on because I mean, Freken has two of the four best ever, like forever. And that's, that's hard to displace either of those. And he is the best fisting scene. He does. Yeah. I think that he does a good lot of credit for that. Did you bring your handkerchief today? (laughing) Chris is wearing yellow today. (laughing) That's the assie, our boat, every movie starts. Six million dollar budget made 17 million. 116 minutes, Craig. Not bad. Five, 10 minutes, maybe. You could've shortened it. Should've gone 110. Yeah. So it's a plus 16. You think plus 10 you're a good one? Yeah. Okay. I need 10 more minutes of Jane leaves, so I need to extend the time. Way more interpretive dance. Yeah, sure. Roger Ebert four stars. (laughing) Called the car chase, and amazing. Using sequence, the rest of the movie is also first rate, the direction is the key. Friedkin has made some good movies, put some apprentices and some bad ones, cruising deal of the century. Come on, Rash. Did Raj ever revisit cruising? Probably. Turncoat. Uh, but he says this is his comeback showing the depth and skill of the early pictures. You agree with that, Sean? I think it's definitely a back to basics movie with him and the reason why he strips it down so much is so that he can control more of the movie and it's not a very expensive movie at a time when a lot of cop movies are getting very expensive. But I liked one other thing that Raj wrote, which is something that I will echo. I like movies that teach me about something, movies that have researched their subject and contain a lot of information casually contained in between the big dramatic scenes. This is technically in my, what do you like about movie's thing? You know where it's like-- Yeah. You're in a world of counter-fitting that is so specific and focused and interesting the way that he shoots it and shows the master's character going about it. But it doesn't have him sit down and be like, "Here's how I counterfeit money." Like that never happens. He doesn't really talk through his process, it just shows it to us. Just an incredibly cool way with Wang Motherfucking Chung playing and it was so legitimate that fake money from the set of the movie got into circulation. It's a crazy stat. We're going to the categories. Most we watchable scene. I have open in credits and Wang Chung read into Peterson Hotel Chase, guys doing it for Islam, culminating in I'm getting too old for this shit. Yeah. Now predates Lethalepin. One year before Lethalepin. Yeah. Come on. Two years, right? 87 Lethalepin. Two years. Two years, yeah. Yeah. And we get a brief off-camera Ronnie Reagan. Yes. Could have gotten him. Could have gotten him in the card game. Very rare thing in a movie like this to use a real sitting president and you'd make him a character in the movie. Opening credits into the art burning and the bungee jump. This whole stretch, I wrote down, this 4K is so fucking good. Peterson did the jump for real. He did. In jeans and invests and trucks. He did. I can't say. I don't know. This could almost be a new category. The, we sure this is safe enough for a lead actor because it was just the one strap. They're not even like bungee jumping. They're calling it base jumping, like base jumping, just one leg. I don't know. That made me nervous. It doesn't like a bunch of drunk cops like who's measuring the wire there, like who's doing the safety checks. I heard he can say they use the new piece of equipment to shoot it like a new crane, which is now kind of standard operating. And so I think there was a lot of time spent on making sure that this was safe. But if this was any Murphy, I don't think you'd be doing the jump for real. Base jumping now means you have a parachute. Okay. I've said it before I've said it, I'll say it again, I'll continue to say it. Something about the 80s and the early 90s, when cops all got together in a bar, it's just seemed like the most fun place in the earth. Those guys are all getting black out and then driving home. It's one of the best. It's like, let's see what's going on, brother. It's just literally how I was raised. Yeah. It's just in bars my dad. It's great. And two guys are probably gonna get mad at each other at some point during the night. But it's fine. And somebody's gonna have to be walked out. And when they stumble out of the bar and it's still the afternoon, I noticed this time that this sign on the bar says bird sanctuary. My dad when he was a younger cop was in a social club called the raccoons and they were just like, you know, 10 cops who just like to drink a lot. But they had like a whole ornate world that they had created around the raccoons. Like Fidelio or? I didn't see any masks in the home. But you know, they had a lifestyle. Okay. The counterfeit money scene, watching someone make money from scratch with Wang Cheng Music blasting is really all I need in life. What a great three minutes. It's unreal. I agree with what Ebert said too. Blowing on the plates, you know, to reveal them. Yeah. We should just have that rolling at the second more studio, like at all times, you know? Yeah. There's a TV on is just only showing that sequence and also the Petersen sex scene. I'm going to I'm going to bring that up to Jeff Chow tomorrow. I agree. Yeah. I initially had that as my Floyd gun dolly before settling on something else, but I love watching somebody do something. I don't understand how it's done and it actually seems realistic like as he's making in. It's like, Oh, no. He's doing the thing. Mixing up the. I could have watched it for honestly. I could have watched it for the 25 minutes. Yeah. I'm interested in how they did. I was like, Oh, now he's going to try it. It's the coolest. Artists at work. Yeah. And the foe is great too. It just seem like he's been doing it nonstop for the last 10 years, like just effortlessly totally. Torturo gets chased down in LAX Craig mentioned the Peterson just looking at this was his combine real. This is also that shot specifically is essentially like stolen footage. LAX is like, do not yeah, they got that run up on the escalator or like the people mover. Yeah. No, we won't. Are you nostalgic for the days where somebody could just run through a metal detector? I am nostalgic for the idea. And this goes basically up to 2001, obviously, but like the idea of going to the airport and being like, I'm going to buy a ticket to DC today, you know, and they're like 40 bucks. And it goes like all the way through kicking and screaming where he runs in and he's like, I want to go to Prague. Yeah. But I'm probably glad that we have some safeguards, you know? Yeah. I think it's safe to say, I'm nostalgic for a time when it was reasonable that men would run through them in movies. Yes. Now if that happened, you'd be like, that will never happen. If someone ran through an airport, now they would just be gunned down. They would. Yeah. Um, Torturo almost gets killed in prison. I have as a rewatchable scene. And you did. There's a whole other movie that I would have signed up for. Just to call it real. Yeah. Him in prison for three months, navigating people trying to come after. Do you think Fody should have known like, as those guys are walking across the artist, like, who are they going for? Somebody getting hit. Who's getting hit? Everyone's clearing out around it. It's you. Yeah. We've seen somebody prison movies, they're like, dude, get up, start running. The fight scene with the phone and his, what was the name of his? Max Waxman. No, the henchman. Oh. The most henchman. The black guy. Him fighting the three black guys. Oh, Jeff. Yeah. Yeah, Jeff. I'm not sure if it's a humanist, but it was a two on three. Yeah. I think they're a plus when they have the Fandoah odds underneath the screen. And the fights about. I think they're like plus 490. It's like, no way. These guys are getting out of this. And they, they're telling me heat again. Yeah. Um, amtrak into the shooting into the chase scene. Just 10 out of 10 on how'd you do this as you're watching? Like, how'd you guys do this? Yeah. Tough beat for the FBI undercover FBI agent with the fake diamonds. Uh-huh. Just getting, uh, has this gun down with his pants down around his, uh, ankles? Not how I'd want to go. Nope. Chance. Raids. Turra. I like that shot when they're on the opposite side of the wall. Yeah. It's my great shot. Yeah. It's great. Chance gets killed. Craig, did you see in this movie before? No. Were you expecting that one? Not at all. Something you can only do if it's probably not a star, right? And 1985 Richard here. You can't shoot Richard here in the face with the shotgun. No. It's still shocking to watch. I mean, in the shocking to the studio, they were like, you better go back and Yeah. They shot a fake. You could find it online on alternate ending. So it's rocious. I think the only time the alternate ending actually ended up being the end of the movie is fatal attraction. That I can remember. Like ones we've done on this podcast. But the studio is like, no, we're fucking redoing that. The main archer is going to kill going close to the bathroom. And that's how we're ending this movie. Motherfuckers. I'm sure there are some other examples. I can't think about the top of my head though where they recut it. And that's what we got. I'm just saying for the episodes we've done. Yeah. I think that's the only one I can remember where they literally redid it. Final scene for rewatchable. You're working for me now. Yeah. He's got sunglasses on. Peco goes dark. Yeah. I would add two more. Yeah, let's hear it. I think the murder of Max Waxman. Getting shot and dick. When he gets shot in the dick. And then the foe says, your taste is in your ass. So I don't totally know what that means. It's like 18 century Cambrian. And then very shortly thereafter, the meetup at the gym. When they're all like getting changed. And they're nude. And and Willie Peterson's like, yeah, I've got a friend down in Hollywood. Goes by the name of Donald Duck. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what to say about this. Why are they changing clothes? Well, it's like they're going to work out. 80s. The guys just show up with the workout clothes on. That's not how I think it went in the 80s. You're on your way to a workout and you're wearing adult clothes, right? Yeah, but I'm not going to get fully nude. And then like with like you should get nude right here. Yeah. I think I think locker room. Like behaviors have changed. behaviors have changed. That may be the most thank you today. 85 thing about this movie, which we're doing in a second. What do you have from us? We were watching the same. - The only other thing I wanted to add was. - Hanging dog? - No, it's right after the hanging dog. - This is Floyd Gondoli. - When she's just like, she's trying to peddle all this information to him and he's like, you know, Uncle Sam doesn't give a shit about your expenses if you want bread, fuck a baker, and their whole conversation where she's just like, you know, what would you do if I stopped giving information to you? And he's just like, I'd revoke your parole. And walks out, like, it's just, it's a great moment character moment between those two. - What about when she's like, yeah, my kid's coming up for Vegas and he's like, cool. - Yeah. - Can you get that information for me? - Oh, you got a kid? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Seems like a stable guy for him. - It's not a super nice guy chance. - I think the chase, it starts with Peterson at the bar, drinking a high life and a shot. Then it cuts to the train going across, you know, the desert part of California, like a Sergio Leone movie, and it just builds and builds and builds from Union Station on. - It's one of the craziest scenes in movie history. He has, he likes, they shut down a highway over a weekend in Los Angeles. Imagine if just the 110 or the 710 was just shut down for a week or a, sorry, William Friedkin shooting a movie across five miles of road. - And we got 900 cars there, like extras. - And the cars are going in the opposite direction. - Yeah. - So it's like an optical illusion when you're watching the movie. Look, the cars on the left are going the wrong way and the cars on the right are going the wrong way. And he only did that to make you confused as an audience member 'cause it's the whole sequence is so disorienting. That's a wild choice in the movie. It's such a crazy chase. - I had the chase number one, too. It's an unbelievable seven minutes. - And I love Peterson's acting in it, too. - Yes. I love it. - Yeah, and did you do a good job of establishing from the beginning? The first time we basically see him other than the secret service thing. First of all, when he's on the roof, he's really close to the edge of the roof, like for real. I think it's like, it's probably two feet away from falling to his death, he doesn't care. And then the next time we see him after that, he's bunch of jumping. So you're just like, oh, this guy's a fucking maniac. Okay, we've established that. What's the most 1885 thing about this movie? LAX definitely, there's the, when they finally finished the chase and the three guys are in the background and the one guy has his radio on his shoulder. - Yes. That's just like pure 85. The gym workout machines. They flag trans-world airlines. - Yeah. - And continental, you can see in the background next to it, bad times for all there. Being called a Miami Vice rip-off, Wang, fuckin' chung. And then I have one more. - I have one more that I bet is the same as you. - What is it? - It's chance getting out of the car chase coming back to Roof's house and talking immediately about Quentin, Daily, and Orlando will register. - Well, I have that coming up. Hold that thought. - Okay, I do as well. I mean, counter-fitting cash. Hmm, that's just in 1985. - Now we just have fake and big work. - I wonder how long that went for? I did not do a lot of counter-fitting research admittedly. And I-- - You imagine this is around the peak, right? Because the technology has gone so strong. - Because this is like a thing where they put like the, like a little band in your money that was just like now easily verified. - Yeah, there's one of those things we just got better at stopping. - Yes. - My last thing, there's some stealth gay scenes in this movie in gay moments. That are just very 1985. - You mean like homo erotic or? - Well, for instance, his girlfriend, they have, she's got her dance performance. - Yes. - And then Defogo's and goes to kiss her. And it looks like he's kissing a man the way they film it. - Yes. - And I almost wonder if it was a male actor and they flipped it. There's that other scene when he stands right with Peters is like, you got a package for me. And he like grabs it. But it's just fit in with how weird the '80s were with that. - Even just the use of Kabuki dance, which is like this ancient Japanese style where the men who are performing female characters. Like I think he's very purposely kind of trying to blend all this stuff up. - It's a correct point earlier where it's like, whoa, the nudity. It's like, there's a lot of male nudity in this movie as well. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, that leads us to the Floyd Gondale, butter in my ass, lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. You mentioned the Quentin Daily MJ thing. I, it turns out I really enjoy realistically horrible sports opinions in neo-noir movie thrillers. - Excellent. This Quentin Daily take is just insane. - Oh, no one can believeable. - First of all, it's never mentioned how deep do you want to go right now? - I did the deepest. - Okay. - I'm listening. - First of all, it's never mentioned that chance is from Chicago. He's obviously from Chicago. I have an unanswerable question about this. - Except he's wearing a Mike Webster steward's jersey in the first time we see him. - I wear like lots of different hats. I think it might have just been like in 1985, he had a cool jersey and it was wearing it all the time. But why Mike Webster? Why would it be like Terry Bradshaw or Minjo Green? - Maybe he was. - I do end up with the, like, you know who I love, the center and the Steelers. - It's weird. - I don't know. - I found the game that he's talking about. - It's pretty easy. - I mean, I had to look on basketball reference for a minute. - Well, Quentin Daily had one awesome game and it was right as they were filming this movie. We know Friedkin. - The huge main guy who almost like bought, what was the team you almost bought? - The Celtics, wasn't the Celtics, right? - In the late '70s, back when you could buy a sports team for $12 million. - Well, here's my unanswerable question about this. Okay. So, laying the Fed who's posing as the guy buying diamonds, supposedly arrives at Union Station at 4.45 pm. Call it, what, 90 minutes of the chase and the adoption, right? Chance has to take his car to a body shop because he can't return it to the motor pool. Then he has to get somehow back to Ruth's house where you got to call it 9 pm, something like that, 10 pm. But somehow in that interim time, he has found out the score of the Pacer's Bulls Game from October of 1984 and has identified that Quentin Daily is really the number one option on the Bulls, not Michael Jordan. And when would you have gotten the highlights? When would you have seen the box score? - I almost felt like it might have been a day later he saw in the paper. - Unfortunately, none of this holds water because the beginning of the movie we learn that it is the end of December. - Yes, I know that. But like if we're looking for Quentin Daily, 30 point performance from the time they filmed this movie, it is basically William Peterson knew about this game and came in on that day. - I think my take was, I think they wanted some sort of ad lip thing when he shows up with her. - Yes. - Be like, all right, talk about just something stupid. And Friedkin had been excitedly telling people about this Quentin Daily game. - See, I think it's the exact opposite. - I think it is, I think it is Friedkin who wrote the screenplay who is an NBA obsessive who has a lot of sports takes who is like, I'm zagging so hard on Jordan's overrated. - He's like, Quentin Daily. - So they transferred into that summer. - Yes. And he's like, Quentin Daily was my guy, despite the fact that Quentin Daily, you know. - Well, we got to talk about this too. - You know, it was convicted of that. - Quentin was such a bad guy. - He's kind of the richer chance of the bulls. - I knew he was a bad guy as like a, you know, a fledgling teenager and fucking New England. Like he was, I had like this rapist situation in San Francisco. I think it might have been more than one. And it was really controversial that they drafted him. - Yeah. - And it was during a time when we didn't have social media or anything and it was like, huh, should the bulls be able to put this guy in their team when this happened? And it's really bad. - People were protesting. - People were protesting in the 1980s. I think about that. - But it is almost like an interesting character choice that this scumbag cop, well, like we have to keep remembering at least, like keeping this, this woman prison, basically, to feed him information that he like, Quentin Daily. You know, it's like, it's a character trait. - Very talented score went to University of San Francisco, which is where he had his situation. And then-- - Infamous for ordering food to be delivered to him on the bench during a bull's game. - Yeah. And I think there might have been some drugs with him too, but it was drugs with most of that team ironically. So yeah, so I wonder, like, did Friedkin, maybe he liked the bulls and maybe he was like, I don't know why the fuck would we take Jordan? We have Quentin Daily, like really felt strongly about this. - I think he was more like, I'm writing a movie about scumbags. What's a real scumbag opinion I could put out there in the world in one of these characters? - I love it. It's an idea. - No, it's an idea. You're ascribing a lot of, like, right early intent. So the-- - Yeah. - Could be wrong. This, that was in my "What's Age the Worst." - Or he just loved Quentin Daily. - It's possible. - It's possible. - Maybe he went to a game a year earlier and was like, oh my God, this guy's-- - Yeah. - He's better than Andrew Tone. - Anyway, it was Quentin Daily highlights from that Pacers game, the three-point game around. - Yeah, it's on YouTube. - Yeah. - He was a little injured Tonyish actually with this game. He was like a power to guard. What's age the best? It's also probably what's age the worst. Middle East conflict being a key opening scene. Seems relevant right now. - I have that in "What's Age the Worst." - Making counterfeit money has just aged the best as a viewing experience, as we discussed. Calling people "Amigo"? - Love it. - God, I gotta bring it back. - Maybe we should bring it back. - Let's do it. - Yeah, let's just make a part of this. - I'm gonna start one thing. - When I see you and you come over up big hit, "Amigo." - Let me tell you something, Amigo. I'm gonna get Rick Masters. - I have a, I am actually surprisingly many more, but would you have? - So when William Pearson introduces himself as Mr. Jessup to Rick Masters, he turns to Pancao and he goes, "And this is my associate, Dr. George Victor." (laughing) And I just, it's never commented on again, but it's like, "Dr. of what?" What if Rick Masters have been like, [BLANK_AUDIO] I have this weird bowl, can you take a look at it? Like, did they really think that through? - I would just say it's an honorary doctorate I got in the college. - Sure, but look, that would have been like one extra layer of the lie that you didn't need. - I'm a prostate doctor. - I love the remnants of the 1960s that kind of have thread through this movie, especially Waxman being a hippy ex hippy lawyer. And in the, PanCount talks about this in interviews, but you can kind of get the sense from all these 1980s cops that they were Vietnam veterans. And just the kind of the sort of waste of the 60s of washing up in LA. - Definitely his partner who gets killed is meant to be one of those guys. It's like a rough neck, basically. - Absolutely. And I love Rick being a bisexual fine artist who just has like a guy with a bomber jacket killing people as a psychic. That guy Jack is just like always spitting tobacco. - Jack horror legendary LAPD detective. - You have any of what sage is the best? - Yeah, sort of related to that being able to pretend to be a businessman and having the contents of your glove box be enough proof. The fact that they're like, I don't know about this guy. So his girlfriend goes and looks in his glove box and I'm like, I'm seeing some receipts here, you know? - Yeah, the Cayman's. - Yeah. - Is that tan enough? - That's really good. Calling money paper, which is something that obviously got very popularized in the last 20 years. And then just Willem Defoe is a villain. I just feel like he's become one of the great villains the last 50 years. - I also had Dean Stockwell playing a defense attorney who's having a beer on his lunch break during a trial. (laughing) Grimes and Generals, just an awesome character. - Dean Stockwell also in legend of Billie Jean this year as the senator. - And in Paris, Texas, yeah. - Yeah. - And soon to be in Mary to the mob, completing his comeback and giving an Academy word nomination. - Oh yeah, so those are some of my. - I also have bungee jumping. I have Jane Leaves with an underrated hot girl run here of "To Live and Die in LA," Marla the Virgin from "Sign Fowl" who went to sleep with JFK Jr. and then "Frasier's Girlfriend." Always liked her. - This is sort of Floyd Gondoli, sort of like always aging the best. But I enjoy when an insane person in a movie has an artistic hobby. - Yeah. - You know, like Jack Torrance. - Yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean is writing. You've got Tony Collette's miniatures in hereditary. You've got Gary Oldman being really into Beethoven and the professional, like, you know, that's like a great little character trait where they can like really appreciate fine art, but they are insane. - Yeah, that's a good one. That's good. We'll put that in our AI movie. - There's no AI movie. - I like when villains refer to themselves as the third person. - Rick Masters doesn't do that man. - Everyone knows Rick Masters won't do a deal without upfront money. It's like, you're Rick Masters. - Yeah. - You're saying that about your-- - What? - I also wrote down 80s movie lawyers dressed like Dean Stockwell who always had a cocktail and looked like they were about to play tennis. - Yeah. - This was a weird era for the perception of lawyers was like between tennis games. They were just going to go to trial. - They just have like a Mercedes convertible. - Yeah. - Right, you have like a lacoste polo, but with a suit. - The decision to show Peterson, but not the body and the dumpster was really good. When he opens the thing in his face changes, I just thought that was a really good shot. - I love how he discovers it where he sees the whole, like the bullet hole on the bottom of the dumpster too. That's really good. - I like having a witness out of jail and then losing the witness is just a great movie thing. It's like, oh my god, he lost him. - Yeah. - What are we gonna do? - We shouldn't have gone to the hospital. That was just really dumb moves. - Yes, yes. - And then the decision to show Jimmy who was too old for this shit, two days to retirement, but he was getting too close. I just feel like this has been ripped off in 30 other movies. - Oh yeah. - I don't know if this was the first. - One last job. - McBane. - This is like ground zero for two days left. - He's got his fucking fishing rod. - This came from an email, oh shit, I deleted who wrote this. Now I feel bad. - All right. - I'll give him credit the next time. - It was me, Bill. - I wrote the email. - Just a reader wanted to point out, he was really excited we're doing the movie, that when Chance walks in in the building and he gets the judge to sign the writ to get to tour out of prison and surprise release, he walks into 444 South Flower Street. The same building, neonist crew walk out of the gate, just prior to the all-time greater shootout scene ever. - Great stuff. - Isn't that where you really wanted you to know this? - That's great. - Yeah, downtown. - Great check, Gordo, you had. - So many. I threw the windshield during the car chase, unbelievable. Amazing iconic shit. Default looking at his burning painting in the opening of the film. Peterson Bungie jumping. Cars driving on the opposite sides of the road and you already mentioned the Rasta far end dudes with the boom box at the end of the, which is like in a big wide. - The rain shot, yeah. I had the shot when a chance goes to see Ruth at the topless bar and she's working the door and it's like all green and all red and she's leaning back against the counter and the skin type dress is the hottest anyone's ever looked in the world. Like they fucking broke the meter on that one and that scene is apparently like very improvised and they were just like just fucking explore the studio space and it's like if you miss your mark like it won't make it into the movie but who cares and it's so good. I just want to say one other thing about the car chase in regards to the cinematography. Robbie Mueller was like, I don't have to do this. So the car chase is shot by Robert Yeoman who would go on to shoot like all of Wes Anderson's movies. - Oh wow. - And I will add to that just last night, one, the Lifetime Achievement Award at the American Society of Cinematographers. Robert Yeoman. - I wanted to mention the bridge sprint chase scene because I like sometimes when they go wide. - Yeah. - And it just looks like I'm watching the game for 10 seconds. We'll take one more break and then we'll do the rest of the categories. - Denathy's Benihana Awards scene stealing location. Bakersfield counterfeit spot that wide shot of like what's going on with that street behind and this where has the mill nowhere. I just really like that spot. - That's the ringer 4.0 headquarters. - Just us. - Just outside of India. - Just a washer dryer. - I'm in the horse trailer. - We got a dryer. - Sounds great. - That's the things they've gone wrong. - I feel like rooftop of the Beverly Hills hotel is pretty good too. - I had the burger place where Chance tells. - Oh great burger place. - Yeah. - They're gonna rob Ling and they come out with burgers and then sit in like barber chairs. - Yeah, with like a whole city beat. That's also a big gun to produce the food. Kid Cuddy pursued to happen. This is where we get the opening scene obviously. - I have dance all days. - Or dance all days. - I have dance all days too. - At Shipwreck Joey's Cabaret. - Look what they took. - What's it like there on Wednesdays? - It's gone. - It's gone. - They took it down. - It used to be a special country. - Yeah, it's used to be a really special country. - It used to be a really special country. - The Amanda Davins Award for best piece of real estate. - Hold on. - Oh. - I feel like you've been interested in real estate over the years. - Yes. - So before we get to this category, would you consider buying a piece of property in that area and reopening Shipwreck Joey's? - Yeah, why don't you ever do that? - Shipwreck Bill is. - Like you could definitely afford to open a series of nameless dive bars that I would be having. - It's a Cabaret. - Sure. - So there's like a show. - Yeah. - Like a show with performers. - I gotta say that bar scene, great. Good security. - Yeah. - I thought the stage seemed nice and big. - The lighting is awesome. - The lighting is awesome for the girls. - What's the entry fee right now with the duration? - $1.50 in 1985. It's probably like $15 bucks now. - Shipwreck Joey's Cabaret ever taking a road trip. - Where was it? - Long Beach. - Where's a Long Beach? - Yeah, around about. Manidavans are worth for best piece of real estate. Chances Malibu House. - Way too much for me. - I have some questions. - Sick. - He's like about 12 houses down from the pier. 80s, much cheaper than Malibu, but you're still looking at this. - You're still looking at Madame Mill. - So there is a moment in Malibu where the celebs haven't started driving prices. - Where'd we're getting close? Madonna has the wedding in '85 with Sean Penn. That's kind of a tipping point. By the time we get the ladies. - Is he living in LA? - I mean, it's a great question. - It's a great question. - So I frees framed it. Yeah, the skimming I think is a good thought. I frees framed it. It was a three story house. It wasn't like one of those like one story. But so he might have just been renting like one of the four floor possible. Not that far away from Neil McCulley's house. - It's very similar to the place where Hemsworth's character lives in crime 101. - Yeah, very similar. - But he lives in a series of condos. Like if I would have bought that. And then a couple of years later, Martin Riggs is living in a trailer on the beach, I think in Malibu, like in lethal weapon. But the sea. - Not, this guy has like a fucking time. - We got away with this in the 80s and 90s because we didn't have the internet yet. And people would be like, you know what would be cool if we had a shot where the character's looking on the water. And now that we know the logistics of LA, it's just there's no way this guy would be making the drive home on PC. First of all, he would have had a drunk driving accident and crossed the fighter and killed himself in multiple people. - It's another mirroring like a man moment too, where it's like of course this guy lives on the water so he can look out into the ocean and have an existential think on how he's spending his life. - Yeah, I mean, he was in a prime spot. Speaking of prime spots, the Sean Fantasy word for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm. - I got a fucking doozy. - Yeah. - Okay, of human bondage from 1934's playing on the television being watched by John Tattaro and Jacqueline Jaro, and that sequence, that's with a movie that you hear when chance shows up. So it's about a young man played by Leslie Howard, who finds himself attached to a cold unfeeling waitress, played by a woman who will ultimately destroy them both. This is Betty Davis's fifth film. It's her first Academy Award nomination. We're on the eve of the Oscar. She got this nomination via right-in vote. So this movie is important for a few reasons. One, this is the year of Frank Capers that happened one night, which is one of only three movies to win all five of the top five awards. Do you know the other two movies? Sounds the lambs. Sounds the lambs is one. Oh, I know this. We did this summary watch, boss. What was it? One full of the Cuckoo's nest. Picture, director, actor, actress, and screenplay. This was the first of only-- Seniors is gonna take it. We haven't. We're taping it after the Oscar. Seniors will be the fourth. Probably not because it's not nominated for best actress. This was the first of only two years in which writing candidates were permitted, a response to the controversy surrounding the snub of Betty Davis for of human bondage. She was snubbed, and then they created a right-in ballot. And she got written in. So because of that, Claudette Colbert, who was the star of it, happened one night, thought because Betty Davis got this incredible outpouring for her right-in ballot, that there was no chance that she was gonna win the Oscar. So she gets on a train to go to New York the night of the Oscars. And just before the train takes off, they announce her name at the Academy Awards. She runs back to the awards show, accepts her award later on in the show, and then goes back and the train holds for her, and she gets on the train at the end of the night and goes to New York. I thought you were gonna say she drove the wrong way down the 110. No. Anyway, of human bondage. It matters. Fucking Friedkin. So you don't think Terturus character would have been watching a 1934 artsy movie? I didn't like it. Well, we know his girlfriend is an actress. Yeah. So she's watching Betty Davis in her breakout role. I love those stories about when nobody cared about the Oscars as much, and like Goldman choosing to go to the 1970 finals or something over winning his first Oscar. The other criteria orgasm that I had was just that when, right before he gets shanked or attempted shanked in the yard, Terturus, like, what's the movie tonight? And they're like, I don't know, some galactic shit. And he's like, I hate that sci-fi shit. And I always thought that was a dissive star wars for taking out sorcerer. Up. See, I just got a flex category. I got two here. I don't think either of you guys would have one. So I'll just, this was fun because I feel like the Edward and Reverse don't go where to did this movie need a random sports moment. And we're right there. Come on. We're so close. The Oscars isn't going to fucking go out and play one game of pick up with the homies. Just sit there. Just install the Princeton offense, dude, throw some backdoor passes. By the way, Sean's got the white shadow behind him. I'm reasonably sure that was the exact same court that the white shadow played Michael Warren's character, Bobby Wagum in the greatest one on one game ever filmed on TV. And like the fifth episode of the white shadow, I think it's the exact same court. Is it really? Yeah. I think it's in Watts. Yeah. The Dennis Peck relationship test, I bring up because I think this is the first place where Peck melts in the face of the sexuality, shared between Rick Bianca and Serena. I think he tried to get them and they're just like, whatever you want, Dennis, like come on in. And he's like, so I'm not destroying anything. And they're like, no, this is about dance and art and funny money, man. I just think it would have been like all three of us are up for whatever. He's like, whatever. You want to do this? Yeah. So this is where Peck loses his, it's kryptonite. Can I ask you, where are you out on polyamory in 2026, just general thoughts? Is this a new movie theme? No, I've just, I've just been hearing some things out in the world that have, that have raised my eyebrows about polyamory and the wider world that bill. Yeah. No, not with Bill. No, of course. Just like, just like it's, it seems to be expanding. It's, it's been an untapped movie slash HBO TV show type of theme. Yeah. We need like consenting adults, but for 2026. Here's the thing. As you know, my theory on, I think the COVID little break off of us had, I think people have lost their minds. And we're ready for a show like that. Yeah. Just couples just saying, fuck it. Yeah. Big love, but just set in handcuffs for, yeah. That sounds great. I watch that, but just girlfriend award for a week link of the film. I have Quentin daily a second time. Quentin daily got 30 points. This guy's unbelievable. It's great. He's got a good look at how it's her man 30 feet boom, boom. What is happening? What's happening? Jordan. Uh, but backup choice. Can we have the bank out conversation? No, come on. No, let's do it. Let's do it. What's your problem with him? He's a TV actor in a really important movie. He's not good enough. I'm sorry. I agree with Bill. He's got a good actor. He's not a good actor. No, not for this. I, I think he's not interesting enough. Okay. It's interesting because, you know, the, the story that, that, um, Peterson tells is that Sinese read for the part of chance. Yes. And that he didn't get the job, but that he recommended Peterson to Friedkin. Right. And that the reason that Pankeh gets the job is because Peterson recommends him. But you think Sinese should have been the Pankeh part. But it should have been Sinese. I have an alternative for who it should have been, because we get it basically a year later in the Untouchables and it's Andy Garcia. And these two handsome. No, pretty. Yeah. The guy who's not, it doesn't, it's kind of nondescript and there's something a little sinister underneath him. So I was going to do this and recasting couch. Can I offer you John Malkovich? Oh, yeah. Now the Chicago. Let's bring some fucking firepower. Yeah. Now the stage guy, Malkovich going, taking this for a ride in the Pankeh part. It's just the performance. No, I think it's the performance because I think he's asked to do things a lot. Like, he's sitting in the back seat during that car chase about the pew crying. It's a, it's a good, I think he's good in this movie. I think you just love the movie. Can I tell you what my book is? Thank you. Here's the evidence. Sure. The rest of his career. He's never done a part like this ever. Yeah. I'm just going to throw that out there. Found him. Did he be enjoyable and mad about you? Likeable actor. I just think he's miscast. Okay. I think this guy, I think there has to be a little bit more of a dark side established before all of a sudden we have this crazy swerve at the end. He's incredibly funny on episodes. Did you watch that show with Matt LaBlanc on Showtime where he played like a, like a, the head of HBO, basically, the head of Showtime? He was really funny. One other guy I was thinking was Kelsey Grammer. Hmm. He, I'm, cheers was going, right? Cheers. That like he had just started to be on shares. Are you picking guys based on hairline? I was, no, I was just trying to think of like out of the box non-leading man, but just people who are around. Yeah. Jeff Goldboom could be another one. Too tall. But too tall. It's tough. I'm standing, too cheap, not standing too cheap, but I think too cheap could have been a good one. What about Patten? I don't know if he was Will Patton, he was in no way out like two years later. What about Michael? He was. What about Michael Bean? Will Patton's good. Michael Bean, too, handsome. Michael Bean, this would be coming right off the terminator. What about Bill Paxton? Interesting. Very interesting. Interesting. Not bad. Okay. Yeah. I don't really like Malcolm. My book, his girlfriend for this is the first eight minutes of this movie. It's cool. I like it when they're like Reagan's going to come play poker. It has no relevance for the rest of the film. Yeah. And I think it would be a bigger deal if someone tried to suicide bomb Ronald Reagan. I think the US Secret Service would be busy and not going after Rick Masters. So as I said, listen to the commentary and he talked about this and this also was shot after the fact. Hmm. This was not an original script along with that title sequence that you were talking about. It was after Wang and Chung came over and said, Hey, and I really, I think the reason for it is very logical whether or not you think it works. I like the sequence a lot, but it's from a different movie. It's also the eighties and everyone's on cocaine and nobody cares. And it's more die hard than it is whatever this street level crime movie is. But it being a Secret Service movie, I think it would be like a little confusing to a general audience like, why is the Secret Service so involved in the Treasury and counterfeiting? And they needed to like establish the bonafides of these agents and what they do. But you could maybe throw that away of like, I haven't done a much bodywork recently. I'm just working on counterfeit. Yeah. Like you could probably get that with a line and not have a guy explode over Los Angeles and then have it be like, yep, back to Quentin daily highlights. I think they also want it also help helpfully establishes the relationship between the two partners and that like the older guy, you know, who's kind of like at the end. I think it's effective even though it is tonally a little different from the rest of the movie. Quentin Dale has got a gun like a howitzer man. What's it to worst? Cops has incredibly fun hangs. We don't really get that as much movies in TV. No. Not like in the 2020s. I'm telling my script. No. I feel like we're hanging out at the top of the car with six cops. I think it's more like this behavior is probably clinically alcohol hot. Well, Copeland mid 90s is when we start to shift a little flip. What's the current group that you want to see in a bar having drinks after work in a movie? Podcasters, obviously. Podcast producers. I mean, they know how to talk emergency room doctors. I like it when the pit guys have a beer after the shift. There's some grizzly stories though, no? Yeah. But like it's they they deserve one. They do deserve a cold one. They do. Absolutely. NBA assistant coaches. That's good for fun. Yeah, fun group. What sage the words? By burning expensive paintings for real instead of just doing CGI. Rainer wedding actually painted that painting that he burns. And they said it was worth like real, real, real money. And Ben Simmons who watched first half of this movie with me before deciding to go back because he had an exam the next day was like, that painting is fucking awesome. I can't believe they burned it. He painted it for the movie. Yeah. Freak and speculated it would have ultimately been very, very valuable. Tough fun. Maybe do like some sort of backup. Freak and said after this movie, his agent fired him, his dear friend and agent Tony Fantasi. Left William Morris signed with the series of agents of managers who were no more effective. And it was very, very sad for him. That's age the worst. Yeah, that that story bummed me out. Stick with Friedkin man. He did French connection and the exercise, the cruising and to live in that LA. We're a little scared after that. Weird little skip here where he goes rampage the Guardian after this too. Two movies that I will defend, but are very flawed. What's the cocaine level here with Friedkin? I thought it was in the 70s. I didn't think it was in the 80s. He's like getting married to Sherry Lansing. Like he's become, he's a very, he's much more of like a citizen at that point. What's age the worst? They have a deleted scene where Vukovic goes to reconcile with his wife and they show in the special edition DVD and Friedkin says he doesn't remember why it cuts it but regrets doing it. Yeah, it would have been given the Vukovic character a little bit more depth, I think. Yeah. He probably wanted less punk out in the movie. It's like fuck that guy. Jesus. This is a really bad what's age the worst. The bridge that he bunch of jumps from was the Tony Scott. Yeah. Oh, that's tough. I didn't know that. Yeah. My biggest question is the worst is you can see them on YouTube is the alternative ending where chance is only shot in the chest gets lives and chance in Vukovic are exiled to a Anchorage Alaska secret service space where they live in a hut together and they're just sitting there at the end of the movie and then there's a long tracking shot that shows the Alaska outback. But it's very funny that Friedkin's like, you guys want another ending? I'll go to Alaska and shoot you another ending. So funny. Fucking maniac. Yeah. Wait till the source or episode. The Hans Gruber score of villain ranking. The foe is Rick Masters. Six, seven, something like that. I had eight. Yeah, I would have eight. It's a painter. You know, it's got a lot of redeeming qualities. Oh, I forgot. I had the Marion Cobretty pizza cutting word for why didn't anyone in the set stop to start from doing this. The painting shouldn't somebody in the set been like, yeah, man, we can't actually burn that. Can we go wide shot where he's about to burn it? And then we go wide shot and replace the painting. I don't know. It's life is art, you know. Ruffalo Hanna Rupert Parchridge overacting word. I have Panko here. What are we gonna do now? It's good though. It's good shit. That's what you would feel like. I would I got Robert Downey senior here as Thomas Beatman as well. Who did you like him in this movie? I did. He's just put a little mustard on it every time he gets into a scene. I was just coming to see you. Yeah, you must be a mine reader. He's very amusing, but it's a lot. It's very noticeable every time he shows up. You have a flex category. Mine was the it's a book about medals award belatedly best quarter exchange. I'm getting too old for this shit two years before the 11. See our thanks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford had a stake award. I have multiple Peterson Don Johnson things here. And I think they're intertwined here because his movies coming as vices. I think what we said about Costner before I also think could have been the case for Don Johnson. And I'm just endlessly fascinated why some careers go one way. These two guys Don Johnson kind of peaks with Miami Vice can't get out of it. Mrs. that window where he can make movies. Peterson gets freaked out by the first two movies he did and just zags. And then you have Costner who's just just right down the fairway. Just like. Yeah, both there. I'm cool. Let's do that one. Feel the dreams. Sounds great. Bodyguard. Like he's just doing the Clint Eastwood movie. Okay. And just has to wear with all over and over again to make these picks that continue to vault them now. He made some crazy ones too, right? He does. Dance with Wolves worked out great. Waterworld did not postman by the mid 90s. It's over. But I'm always interested. These guys that are basically the same. And then somebody sports. It's like you have quarterbacks that are around the same. And then it can come down to coach offensive line. The owner how much money you're spending not getting injured. But with actors it's really like all these guys were kind of next to each other. And then some went up and some didn't. Yeah, there's like a whole strain of them. I mean, the ones that I was thinking about were Mel, Michael Douglas, Jeff Bridges and Richard Geer. Those were like, and I guess Bruce Willis to some extent. But then you also have like William Hurt. You've got Raul Julia. You know, you've got like a band of actors in the 1980s. Sort of like Jeremy Irons. Jeremy Irons like B tier stars for always in good films. And he Tom Barringer is kind of in that class. Just 100% in there. And he's another one. He's like somewhere to watch over me and someone to watch over me and we did that one. But my hottest take was Peterson and Don Johnson could have just switched careers in '84. And I think it would have been absolutely captivated and see what happened. And I think transplanted Johnson. I think Peterson could have just been sounding crazier. Yeah, I agree. And I think Don Johnson could have been in those two movies. And I think if he had been in those two movies, I don't think he would have gotten freaked out by them. Like Peterson did. And I think he just would have been right on the costume corner from that moment on. And that would have been that. And it actually would have been better for him. And it would have all ended up with him on CSI. Yes. Do you ever do one of those procedural shows? Yes, Bridges. That's right. Of course. You have a hottest take. I got to. This movie is what he would feel like with no Natalie Natalie Portman character. Essentially, like, has that kind of interesting LA crime saga. Two sides of the law coming at to a head has incredible set pieces. It basically has minus the fat of like the Natalie Portman character or the Dennis Hayesburg character or something like that. My other hottest take is just that this is a better movie than the French connection. Certainly more watchable to me. It's tough early 70s versus I mean, it's not as influential obviously. Yeah, the French connection is not H. Well as a watch. Yeah. It's not that fun to pop on. It's which is weird because the extra system is insanely watchable. And it's only two years later. But the French connection, I don't like revisit a lot. Do you have a hottest take or no? I did one already, the email Gibson. Best that guy word. Have a little switch for this one. After all Craig's bitching. I have it separated in a casuals, real ones and deep cut. Wow. Damn, call me out. Casuals Dean Stockwell. That's a that guy to Craig. Of course. Of course he is. He was a huge star, a child star in the 50s and 60s. He's like quantum leap for 10 years, 2026. Real ones TV show in the 80s. Real ones. Jean-Penka, blue velvet. Okay. He came that guy from this movie and from Frazier. Jean-Penka. Deep cut. They go to the doctor at one point after Peterson gets to Toronto. Yeah. Yeah. The doctor's rake and so is dad from field of dreams. That's right. That's a great one. I don't know what category you would put this one in, but the guy that chance cheeses across the footbridge is Gary Cole. That was mine. Oh, that's a good one. That's his first movie part. He's more Gary Cole. Craig, who's Gary Cole? Oh, you don't Gary Cole. He's lumber from office. No, he was in what? No, he was in what what comedy? Oh, he was in the Brady Bunch movie. No. He was on the Brady Bunch movie. No, he was in one of the Farrell McKay movies that was. Oh, Teledegonites. He's probably his brother. Yeah. He's his dad. So, but you, but you don't know the name Gary Cole? I think I do know the name Gary Cole, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's not a that guy. Who'd you have for Dan Witt? William Peterson is a that guy. That's just obscene. He was in the number one show on television for 10 years. Yeah. We don't know the name of those actors. You're just young. That's a laugh. Craig gets taken off the group chat. My T.O. waiters was T.O. we haven't really talked about that. I T.O. as well. And the check is in the mail and I love you and I promise not to come in your mouth. This is really early for him, right? He also was on this. He's playing all the hits all the future T.O. hits like every other swing and dick in here. Day by mother fucking day. I can't argue with that. I do really enjoy though Bob Grimes, Dean Stockwell's character at the very end when he's watching the video tape. And he turns to Bianca. And he's like, you may want these. There's some personal things on there. She's like that. Thanks. Recast the catch director. I already gave you Malcolm Vitch. Can I offer you for the foes girlfriend who we didn't really talk about. Debra Führer. Yeah. Bianca. Just a couple test drives here. Sure. Melanie Griffith. Okay. Yeah, coming up body double. Rosanna Arquette. Desperately seeking Susan. Is that 85? Yeah. - Yeah. - Jennifer Jason Lee. - Sure. - When's, when's fast times? - 82. - Okay. - What about a homegirl from Top Gun? - Kelly McElos. - Kelly McElos, yeah. - She was a year after witness. - I'm trying to think of like a great dancer in that area. Like as you wanna have somebody who's like convincing as a dancer. - For Rishnikov? - Um, (laughs) - I think that's a good-- - Not your comedy shot, I don't know. - Yeah, it's basically a Melanie Griffith light performance. I don't, not a lot of stuff happened. - I mean, Daryl Hannah is really, I think also-- - Oh, Sean. - That's great guy. - But she's doing's in the news lately. - She's doing very similar makeup in Blade Runner as well. - And I would go Melanie Griffith. - I had other names written down for "Pank House" sorry, no disrespect to you, but I actually, I forgot that I wrote this down. - Oh my dad, but just go like that. (laughs) - David Patrick Kelly? - From the Warriors? - Ooh, that could be interesting. Could see that. Young Michael Madsen. Two handsome, but-- - Two handsome. - What about Raymar? - Oh, Raymar would be good. - Oh. (laughs) - The other one I had was J.T. Walsh. - Ah. - Which was once a member of one of our hallowed categories, but is no longer a part of that category. And I feel like J.T. in '85. - It's a good one. - Pretty credible. - So John Hurd could be another one too. - Oh yeah. - For that, right? - Coming off Cutter's Way. - Yes. - He's knocked out. He's not even listening anymore. - I can do his all day. - You have a Craig, you did your flex. - Mm-hmm. - You wanna talk about the Pippin Trade or no? - It's not bad. We needed a number two. - There was a Pippin Trade? - Pippin. - Pippin. - Oh, Michael Pippin, yeah. - Scotty Pippin. - I wanted him on the job. - He came back out, I can run free now. - Walsh, we're running, we're at a hundred minutes already. We're past the Craig Century thing. A half a certain research, I'll zoom through a couple. They produced one million dollars of counterfeit money and they put deliberate errors in the money and put X, and that didn't stop some of the money from leaking out. And the son of one of the crew members tried to use some of the prop money to buy candy and was caught and some of the money was still out. - That's like, that's like a ton of movie. - The Secret Service was picking up bills like years later from this movie. - Some default classes. - I had the same thought Craig did. There's seven movies that could have come out of this movie. And one of them is the counterfeit bill movie that they made for the movie. But then it's like, yeah. - So cool. - Car chase sequence took six weeks to shoot. The best part is it was the last thing shot. So if anything happened to the actors, they would have enough bank dirty. - And they shot it the way Sean was describing also, 'cause Freedkin was just like, I just like the landscape and the horizon on the other side of the road. So we're just gonna do it that way. - Freedkin came up with the idea of staging the chase against the flow of traffic in 1963 when he was driving up from a wedding and fell asleep at the wheel and spent the rest of his life wondering what would happen if he could use that in a film that eventually did. And then. - Dreams do come true. - All of Panko's reactions were real. Wang Chang saw a rough cut of the film. - Shitty actor. Wang Chang saw a rough cut before they did the song. - Okay. - I heard Panko cut from his JV basketball team. How about that? - Apex found Panko. - No, Mad about you. - Mad about you. - Wang Chang, yes. 'Cause we're on Wang Chang, it picks about, no. - Okay. - Peterson, I think, is CSI. - Yeah, it is. - I agree. - Secret service movies? - Can we do the list? - I made the list. - Is it in the line of fire? - That's the last one. - So successful, right? - Yeah. - Okay, so it's in the line of fire. - It's Olympus has fallen and the other has fallen films. - I even, I can't fully support those. - The interpreter, the Sentinel, Starring Michael Douglas. - Oh, I'd like to set no. - Along came a spider. - Do you like to set no? - I like to set no. - Morgan Freeman actually does. - I've seen it a while. - I like to set no. - For BS month, it's a good one. - Garding tests that goes cage in the comedy which is Charlie McLean and then the bodyguard. - Oh, for our Secret Service. - Yeah, I would also say in the line of fire, in terms of depicting the Secret Service in a good or bad way, that guy lost Kennedy. So it's kind of already playing from behind. - Great point. - Would you include Dave just for the Ving Ram scenes? - Love that part. - I would take a bullet for you, Dave. - It's on MGM, it's been showing it lately. - Have they? - Yeah. - This is on MGM. - Do you think that's because there's a new MGM plus show called, I forget what it's called, Starring Kevin Klein. - I saw this, I was like Kevin Klein and Laura Linney's and Laura Linney. - Yeah. - What? - It's like I'm gonna get this for like, this show exists. - It's called American Classic. - American Classic. - Yeah, in quiet in Laura Linney. - Right, John Taney is the third lead. - John Taney. - It's some famous Broadway actor, it goes back and is in a local play near the end of his career. All hell breaks loose. - I almost fired it up last night. Love Kevin Klein. - Apex Mountain William Peterson. I mean, did William DeFoe Platoon? Spider-Man. Platoon. - Spider-Man. - After Platoon, it felt like he was gonna be one of the next big actors. Like he could pick this part for a while. He would say Spider-Man. - He was letting last time to use the crisis. - Yeah. - Every other actor in this movie except John Tutorial, probably Apex Mountain. - Yeah, Darlan, Deborah Führer. - Yeah, all of us. - Friedkin No. Setting art on fire. - Not prepared for that one. - Bungie Jumping Removing. - Who was probably up there for that one? - Bungie Jumping probably one of the crews. - Jackass number two. - Everyone. - Getting shot in the dick. - Ooh, Pulp Fiction. - Golden Eye Bungie Jump. - Yeah, great. - Golden Eye Great Bungie Jump Pulp Fiction, obviously Dick Apex Mountain. - Thank you. - 1985 Chevy and Palace. - There's a Ferrari in this one too. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - Crews are Hanks. Crews is Rick. - Agreed. - Crews almost like interview with the vampire, Magdolia type of crews. - Yeah, yeah. Slick long hair. - Demon eyes. - Loves this. We've probably been insist on doing the art himself. - I had Crews as Rick as well. Scorsese over Spielberg. - Yes. - Best hang, worst hang. - Best hang is Rick. Rick has got. - Rick's an amazing hang. - He's got money. - He's got presents on your birthday. - He's got, he's got style and taste he'll introduce you to the art world. - Can I play, can we play this a little bit? What is minute 11 of a conversation with Rick? - I grew up in a house with cops. - Like just saying, it's Rick times a billion. - I know the, I know the real plus minus of the Chicago Bulls thing. What do you want to talk about? - For me, it's a chance. - Chance number one, worst hang is Cody. Always complaining about his ulcers. - Be real, like shoot straight here. Come on. - This is a most interesting-- - I think Rick can introduce you into fun nights in the new world, but I think conversationally Rick might not be the best, but he can have the craziest night with you. - Yeah, me, Rick's like, wanna take a sauna? - No, I'll just get naked for a bar. - Chance, is it best hang, worst hang forever? Is it like, it's not best for the forever? - It's like one night, one night. Maybe it's right. - One night it's Rick. - Rick has the craziest night for sure. - Just you wake up without-- - Rick's like, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, Jane Leaves. - Sure, but like, chance might be like, let's go to the topless bar and turn it all out. - Like, you know what I mean, like, I know the door girl. - There's a Steelers game. - Yeah. - I have, I'm like, it's like, it's long snapping. I got a launch. - Picking nits, I'd never sat right with me when Chance notices something's wrong with the room service order. - Oh yeah. - Why? - I mean, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - He's just about to leave and he just hears a clank and sees somebody walking. - There's nobody's supposed to be on that floor. - You're not supposed to-- - Or the president. - Okay. - It's supposed to be clear. - How about Jimmy pulling the guy down from the floor below the terrorist, pulling him back? Where's he coming from? - He's like climbing up from like, probably a lower roof onto the top of the building. But I think it's a stupid scene. - Terturus talking at Defoe on the jail phone? - Unbelievable shit. - Do people just do this? They just openly confess crimes on the jail phone? - You man. - Man, motherfucker. And he's like, "Go right." But you can just do this. - I'm sure criminals do it all the time. - Good point, guys. - Why don't they just monitor the jail phones? Why don't they do surveillance? - That's nice. That's a really good part of you. - Prison pot, like a prison. - Oh, like convict and his plug is in his connect and they meet up. - Should we change like the reality TV pot where they're just calling each other through? - A funny minute, I'm like, you know, it's just the most random shit on your Instagram algorithm sometimes. I was getting women in the I/O prison system. - Yeah, the most random stuff on your algorithm that tracks all of your interests all the time. - So you obviously clicked that one. - That was like a deep women in the I/O prison system. - Do they all look like Darlene Flugel? - No, sadly not. But I was just like, these checks seem pretty interesting, you know, I'm like, oh my God. - Wow, that's what we have to go in the algorithm and remove it. - Yeah. (laughing) - 'Cause that's not true. - I think I did eventually, but not for like, there was still like nine days where I was just like, wow, breathe from, from outside of the boys he's seeing. She loves anime. (laughing) Uh, I have a cooking net. I had only had two more, which was the cars on the wrong side of the road, even though we talked about the intentionally. And then why does Vukovic get chances bronco at the end of the movie? I know. A lot of questions. I have a will and testimony, but yeah, my question is why it just seems like it would be much easier for chance to execute masters, rather than like create all these different crimes to cover up for each other to arrest him. Yeah. It's like to do the by the book, you arrest them, but you're also breaking laws to do by the book. And there's no way that case would have ever stood up and to say nothing of the fact that Dean Stockwell already knows how criminal their investigation is. Well, relatedly, I feel like picking it could just be an entire Vincent Chase award. Like are we sure this character is actually good at his job? Because here's some of the things a chance does. He races through security and alerts Carl to his presence in the airport rather than just show his ID quietly and find him on the people mover and apprehend him. Then he allows an affair with an informant to shade his ability to make good choices and that ultimately leads to him taking the deal with Thomas Ling, which is clearly a set up. And he says to a judge when he's trying to get his escaped prisoner back, if I was one of your asshole cronies, you'd be spread eagle on your desk to do this for me. And then later he gets shot in the face by a bodyguard. Chance is not good. Like, at all. He just takes risks. It's not good. And it's also not. It's pretty telling. I don't think that there was a long line of guys to replace Jimmy Hart. Like when when Chance loses his partner, it's not like everybody's like, damn, chances up. I can be his partner. Right. No, like they were like, you can have a book of it. That's why I had nobody to leave his Bronco to. Right. It's good point. That's a great moment early in the movie when they're all drinking a heart after they apprehend or they, you know, they've foiled the terrorist plot. And heart's like, this fucking Yahoo, you know, when he's pouring a chance and he's like, this guy's gotten me into some trouble. How could book of it gets the Bronco? Does he get the Malibu house? Good question. I also have some questions about what Starling and Flugel's characters name Ruth. Ruth, who in the book is called Ruthie the Rat. Yeah. She's the rat. As we find out during the movie, she's probably feeding info. No other guys ever over at the house. So it's just the unannounced stop by and nobody else there, but they're not really dating. And she can't do that. Hey, when can we get more serious? Because he's like, I'll just revoke your parole. Right. This is going to be the arrangement. But is she not allowed out of other guys? I mean, I feel like she's just been fully coerced into that relationship. Sure. You know, it's not. I don't mean though. It's like at one point, is she like, well, I do have a boyfriend, you know, long haul trucker. Nice. She gets sent back to prison. Sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable. I'm going all black cast for this one. We haven't had it a while. I said, the all black cast would be amazing for this. Yeah. Maybe for a second. They tried to make a prestige series of this for WGN. Freak and tried, but didn't go off the ground. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie, the florist, Zayn Lowe or somebody else? How are you guys feeling about Zayn? I mean, every week it's the highlight of my way. I love it. Chance, man. You just jumped off of Vincent Thomas and nobody thought you could do it. Alvarez didn't think you could do it. Your partner Jimmy Hutton didn't think you could do it, but here you are. You got Jimmy Hut killed in some ways because you didn't get his back, but Vukovic is here now. And just tell me, man, what do you, what do you plans? What do you plans with roots? What do you plans for masters such a talented artist in his own right? I thought you were going to have a bit of Rick Masters, Rick, the artist, the artist is here. You've done such a beautiful work both with money and with painting. What is it? I can't get over the idea of Zayn Lowe inviting a local cop on his shop. Talked him about his, like, when he said that, he's getting what's going on in his life. It's like, we've got a lot of episodes to show at Hard, man. I was just having a little Ryan Ruco on Doris Burke doing the car chase. And Doris Burke just calling everybody Mr, but my heart's not so in it. We see you, Mr. Jack. We see Mr. Chance. He's driving up the one way ramp and then Ruco's like, is he going to get there? You bet. I just want to ask her who gets it. Can I offer you a original song? Hey, original song or soundtrack? Original song. Best Music. Okay. I have one. I have one. I have one. I have one. I have one. I have one. The winner was Say You Say Me from White Nights by Lana Richie. And honestly, that song kind of sucks. And I like Lana Richie. That wouldn't put that in top 12 Lana Richies. Tough one. Okay. Say You Say Me. Say it together. Naturally. That's. It was a really hoping you were going to sing it. It's not working. Am I right? Does that song suck? I never fucking like Lana Richie. I don't know. I pro Lana Richie. All night long. It's amazing. Easy. Like, I'll go on and on. But that song's bad. Wayne Chung not nominated. Color purple song was nominated. The power of love from back to the future. Honestly, also could have won. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Separate lives from White Night and then a chorus line one. But fucking Wayne Chung. Can you see them at the Oscars? Pretty cool. And the nominees are. David Dianne L.A. by Wang Chung. Yeah. They're amazing. Was that anything Hopkins? Who are you just doing? I don't know. Okay. Probably an answer. Could I get the Oscar to Robbie Miller, please? Yeah. Sure. I don't have any more an answer. But question's yet because we've done all of them. So I did my whole like, how did you find out who won that game? I always wondered about this. Chance says Jimmy Hart wasn't just his partner. He was his best friend for seven years. Can somebody really be your best friend after seven years? I just feel like you got to make it do. I think it's got to go longer. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. It's high fits your best friend. You've done high fits seven years. That's right. Good person. Good call. I love them both equally. Dan D.K. Probably not my best friend. Yeah. Not taking their brothers' relationship. Yeah. Sure. There. I actually do have an unanswerable question. I was debating whether to try it out or not. Okay. I have some counterfeit money questions. So the amount of time, energy, money expenses to make counterfeit money. It didn't seem like a small operation, right? You have all those printing presses and the paint and paper, chemicals, not cheap. And then somebody's buying the money. So I'm paying $100,000, but I'm getting $500,000 of money, something like that. Probably. Yeah. I don't think it's a good business. Not to mention you could be arrested and go to jail. Jeff is like, if you're printing the money, what do you give a shit when I make? Like, he's like, just print more money and give it to me. Like, how about if you're printing the money, why don't you just keep the money and just buy shit with it or bring it to like Colombia and buy drugs and then take the drugs and bring them back? Like, what's the point of selling counterfeit money for money? Because I think it's probably supposed to be the criminal act that's closest to artistic creation for masters. I think this is a really interesting examination of how your mind works because I don't think the generally held opinion is that counterfeiting money is a good way to make money or a good job or safe. Yeah. It's a terrible idea. It's very likely you're going to get arrested. It's so dangerous. And I think for all the expensive time that you put into it, I don't see the upside. Well, the only people that are buying the money from you were also criminals. And if you sell that money to the wrong person and then that person gets caught, you were fucked. Because not only either they're going to rat on you or you're going to get killed. Right. There's 40 things that can go wrong and the only thing that can go right is that you don't get caught. And it seems like Rick is like making like 30 grand here and 80 grand there. It's not like a huge number. I would rather make the counterfeit money. And if I'm already going to jail for being a criminal at that point, like I'd want to try to buy large quantities of cocaine and heroin, use the counterfeit money for that to fool the drug dealers, bring the drugs back. Now selling that. Now I'm going to make like quintuple. I'm in the 80s where everybody's doing drugs anyway. I just say I want or more from Rick Masters. I thought he was a better businessman. Yeah. I just think maybe get a job. Feels like a better way to do it. Well, like, so we're going to Bakersfield to make the money. That's smart, right? He's saving on rent and expenses. He's out of the deal. He's got a low overhead. Low overhead, but I just don't see the upside. There's probably not a health plan for those guys too. I think for Rick in particular, there's just a nice crossover with his artistic interests and the precision that is required to do the work. So it's like, it's kind of an, it's like an artisan, you know, it's like a blacksmith who really loves the work that they do. But other questions, how much did his bodyguard guy make? How much of those guys makes here? They get a cut of the proceeds. I bet he is. I signed a new deal, I get 10%. Yeah. And I bet for a guy like that, probably, like, what are the other career options for him? Right? Probably get out of jail. Craig, where do you stay in that counter-fitting money in just general? That's why that whole phenomenon, I don't feel like pass you by. I don't feel like anybody's doing it anymore because I don't think it was a good business. Like, if you remember, nobody uses paper money anymore, but have you ever seen, like, when you go to a bodega or whatever and you pay with a 20-day, like, do something with a highlighter on it, see if it's real? Uh, yeah, that rings vaguely familiar, but, you know, now there's digital counter-fitting. Now you have some much better business. I was thinking about pointing crypto. That was fun for Rick, though, because he's an artist. the move and eyes wide shut where bill. is like gets there in the cab, tears the money in half. And he's like, I'll give you the other half of this when I come out. And I was like, what if you tried that on a cab driver today? Do you think you would just like get the fuck out of my car? Well, he still want to get paid somewhat. Yeah, but like if you were like, you're like, you can tape this back together. Like wouldn't she wouldn't you just be like, he does that when he arrives at the big house at the outside of the party. I mean, the problem is he's all the way out and bum fuck just so long Island. So he kind of has nowhere to go. It's a tough one. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Rick's burn painting before he burns it. Yeah, I wrote Masters' art collection. I would want the briefcase that Peterson slams, which we forgot to mention how funny that was that he's for real slamming the briefcase until it opens. I would have that briefcase, but also with the counterfeit money that they made for the movie inside the briefcase. I think it would be the sweet spot. I think it'd be cool to have like one dollar bill from this movie that had the X on it. Maybe come with like a poker chip like the ones they used to feed it up. That'd be cool. Double feature choice. I had manhunter, what'd you have? Thief. Very good. Or have you seen boiling point the Wesley Snipes movie, which is also about counterfeiting money? Oh, I haven't. 1993. I haven't seen this. Dennis Hopper, he plays a counterfeiter and Wesley Snipes is on his trail. They're very similar. Are there enough counterfeiting movies for counterfeiting movie month? Well, we've just knocked one off and I've named the other two if I can name it. There's gotta be. There's gotta be. Catch me if you can as checks. Yeah. That's that count. That's another one. We loved when in that movie when he was counterfeiting the checks. Maybe I'd just like counterfeiting. I had a point blank, John Boorman movie. Kind of has like some of the impressionistic moments of this movie. Who won the movie? I think freaking. I'll say Peterson. I think it's 100% Peterson. Okay. Because this starts his career and eventually leads to CSI and him just wandering on large mountain jogging pants, just throwing 20s at people to get him a Starbucks. Did you do that? No. Making that up. Do you think he's ever running a remar in the neighborhood? I bet those guys had some more stories. Like a handshake. Yeah. Maybe they did you see the handshake to foe and Jeff have when they're kind of pounding but also doing a little funny war action? Yeah. You think we should we start doing that? Craig, do you want a handshake for when we see each other? We don't have like LeBron James has his teammates. That'd be great. Okay. There's too many ways for men to dab each other. What are you doing? Are you like a bring it in guy? It depends on who you're greeting. It can go all over the place. You could do a stern handshake. You could do the full dab and wrap when you when you see your father-in-law. What's your move? Handshake into the wrap around hug. You will. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. My man Radar has been on the fritz recently. I feel like I've gotten hugged when I thought we were shaking. It's hard to read. It's hard to read. I've just been going hugs lately for everybody. But if you if you meet someone for the first time, you're just going pure handshake, right? No. Yeah. Sometimes do the high high five with the quick quick hug. Jacobi says he's very committed to the fist bump. Yeah. He's stuck with it. It's safe. But it throws me off because like I'll sometimes go up and like grab his fist. I'm like this is I don't even know how we're going to hang out anymore. Craig, your thoughts on "To Live in Diana Way." Man, literally the first five seconds of the movie. It's great. Music's out of control. I really I can't tell if I'm starting to develop poor music taste because that kind of music now is really speaking to me and I'm like going back to that kind of early 80s kind of music and I find it to be great. But this movie falls in that category of maybe these don't make a ton of sense, but they do in my brain of like body heat, American jiggle low blow out what I wrote it down body double. I love these like fucked up 80s movies where the city plays a real role in the movie like city as a character. And like you were saying, what was it? High art, low culture. That sweet spot I really, really like and this is like as good as again, I loved it. I'm not suppressed. There's only a couple cities that you could do a movie like this, too, right? But this is back in the day when you could run and gun an LA and it wasn't. It's got to be warm weather. It's a movie about the sun. Yeah, yeah. I think I do like movies where everyone's hot, sweaty, just works. And there's like the movie is two things at once. It can be a turn it on, check out, just have a good time. And then if you really watch it like you guys are saying, even the more you talk about it, having seen it, we didn't even get like was roofed selling out right? Chance the whole time like to who there is clear meaning and messaging. I didn't think so. I didn't think that was an debate. Yeah, I think she was, but like, who is she calling? Who is she calling? Grimes? Who's she calling? Masters? Who's she calling? I think I mean, the true masterminds of the movie are Grimes and yes, Ruth, right? Yes. Darling, is it Darlan? Darlan. She would have meant a lot to me in 1995. She's very special. Yeah, that makes that checks out. Can I ask, what is the modern comp for this kind of movie? Is it caught stealing? What's it? So one of my other double features was dragged across concrete, which you and I were just talking about, which I think is pretty similar to this, where it's like really nasty. Yeah. And like it's more at night instead of during the day, but very beautifully shot. They took a run at this like late 90s into the early 2000s, like NARC. Yeah, NARC is a good version of this. What's the one with? What about Rush with Jason Patrick? What are we going to do Rush, brother? That'll be good. I mean, if we do Rush, Jason Patrick will probably show up and crash it. Do you think if you were an undercover cop, drug cop, at that time, you would have gone into deep and not been able to get out? Yeah, you do. What about you? Yes. Yes. What would be the point of being an undercover cop to keep it just shallow enough? You guys kind of have a heart and chance thing going on. Is there a way to have an undercover cop that gets in too deep, but working with a cop who doesn't play by the rules is they're gonna ever cross those streams before a guy who's like, I'm into they're just two separate movies basically, but they're partners. Right. Yeah. The cowboy and the drug addict. I feel like Sierra's going to be thinking about this punk-out thing for some time. Yeah, it's gonna haunt me all night. I feel like the punk-out might. So that's why I always feel bad when we talk about, listen, he had a great career. I do have to point out when when chance is pretending to be Jessup, some of the worst tricep extension form. So I was curious about how you felt about doing deals with your boys while doing lifting. It's another great idea for a pod, perhaps. I don't think we played that up enough. The lifting scene. Yeah. I'd said it was the most 1985 thing about this. They're all incredibly close, like all three of them are within 10 feet of wood. Do you notice there's two other people behind one of whom is like this jacked female like bodybuilder with bleach on hair. Freakin. Who's just doing this in a mirror? And it looks it honestly looks like there. It's about to be a porn scene. Yeah, he was such a little freak. I love freaking. Yeah, it's just a weird shit in these movies. I cannot get over the flashback to the sex scene in the final minutes of the like the final minute of the movie. We even talk about the end when he's like, you work for me now. That's the craziest thing in the world. He's like, I'm your pimp just because my partner died. That's fucking nuts. That goes fast with the end goes by fast, but I think that's because there was the tension around like the alternative endings and stuff. I care less even about what actually happens. The movie is more of just a vibe to me. Watching the last 10 minutes, I'm like, I don't even really know what to say. It's a great watch it now. And you're just like, oh, my gosh. I can't believe the sign on the bar. The movie is great. Everyone you're in is cool. I literally made a, like halfway through the movie, I realized every single room we're in looks cool for some reason. Yes. And I tried to think about that through the rest of the movie and it holds true. When he's drinking a Miller in a shot before he rips off Lang, the sign behind him says Tiempo, Dorado Miller. And I was like, that's the best Miller time sign I've ever seen. See our month, three in the books rolling. This is part of the LA trilogy. We're doing. Do we have what is it? Are we doing five movies or four? It's a five movie month. So we know what the fifth is. Yeah. LA Confidential. Oh, nice. So nice guys is fourth. The Manila Confidential is fifth. So you might join us for that one if the Oscars doesn't kill you for LA Confidential. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be right down in Andy Greenwald. It's going to be the first four person we watch, but we've done in a while at the other studio at the other studio. Yeah. I can't wait. Any other feedback on CR month before we go. I just really appreciate everybody's kind sentiments. This has been a lot of fun. These movies are awesome. People have been asking for merch. Merch. Really? Merch. Do you, what, how do you feel about a Philly's hat, but with CR in the Philly script? I sort of with the Philly's get litigious about that. I feel like you're a vocal advocate. I am, you know, I am. I believe in everything Dave Dumbrowski does. If the Philly's got litigious about that, that'd be fucking bullshit. It would also be like, how dare they do that to CR month? It would also be great for the pot. If I got sued into bankruptcy by Dave Dumbrowski, just deepen your focus. You bought the hats with counterfeit money from your counterfeit money business. And then like, we would have Bryce Harper come on. He'd be like, yeah, fuck Dumbrowski. I am a beat. Have you followed that story? That's a great story. That's it for the Ruachbos. Thanks for to Craig and to Gahau as well. to Eduardo. We'll be back with CR Month, which will be-- Nice guys. Nice guys. Gosling, Crow. Excited for this one. Me too. See you next week.