Tim Tebow, Urban Meyer and the Christian Nationalist Surge at Ohio State

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out brought to you by Apple Card. I am Pablo Torre and today we're going to find out what this sound is Honestly, I was at an anti-human trafficking conference yesterday and team shared with me when we were leaving as we were flying to Alabama for event And you know kind of caught off guard with some of it right after this DJ Burns aka the rooster you have an upcoming trial next week, but calling it the trial of the century typical fashion things got out of control and we're going to trial next week in Lake County Well, I got to read the headline to catch people up real quick quote Newed Shrek text to Ohio State Senator reportedly lands blogger in jail End quote yeah, there was no reportedly about it. The facts of the case are undisputed The text message was sent it was in the context of a very influential state senator losing The presidency race to be the next president of what I call the state's most beautiful retirement home We had a long feud. He lost I sent a text and three weeks later. I was arrested at the state house On I believe to be trumped up charges. Well, Senator Jerry serena Yeah, that would he is the he's the recipient Reportedly and I cannot stress this you have can you actually do you have on your phone the photo? Yeah, yeah, I mean I just need to if you wouldn't mind I need to refresh My memory our audience is memory insofar as we can even show any of what you texted Senator Jerry serena in may of 2026 Which led to you rejecting two plea deals and in fact go in a trial on October 8th in which you might face up to six months in prison As you argue for the right to free speech which encompasses Loot images a sort of like Looking up point of view up at a giant Shrek penis. I don't even know if it would be considered giant for troll standards It was described as hyper realistic image. I was going to mention of the cartoon Shrek probably created with AI or similar technology So it's like I don't know how you could describe it as hyper realistic right, uh, but yeah, the constitutional question Is it hyper realistic for Shrek's green penis to be that enormous? So So we're going to get to our ongoing coverage here of Tim Tibo and his 44 appearances at life surge and the allegedly predatory business practices of that allegedly Christian company in just a second But that photo of Shrek's penis that we started with you should know Was sent to not one but at least two different Ohio politicians by our fearless guest today DJ Berks the noted Ohio State football fan and political prankster whose pranks I can't possibly co-sign in totality But I know invest as the author of the rooster Where he broke a story five years ago this week about the notably Christian head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars at the time Urban Meyer a leader of men who was previously a national champion at the University of Florida where Meyer coached Tim Tibo And also at Ohio State The top story we're following this evening Jaguar's coach open Meyer now addressing this video showing him in a compromising position with a woman at his restaurant and bar in Columbus Ohio a woman who is not his wife I just apologize to the team and staff and for being a distraction is stupid So I was working as a union electrician apprentice At the time and it was Friday night. I believe And I got a video sent to me of greenie images at the Urban Meyer chophouse that are open in the short north which is Columbus's one trendy district And I actually knew a server there at the time who gave me the details said they arrived with a local restaurant tour They were noticeably intoxicated and knowing urban. I knew how he was going to play with it So on Monday dresses the team he gets up there and he tells him basically well You know I was out with my friends and this young siren was trying to lure me on to the dance floor I never thought I was going to go like it did But it became a national story and I eventually lost my career in the electrician field over it Another video is surfaced that appears to show Jaguar's coach urban Meyer in a provocative situation with a woman It was not his wife We're blurring a portion of the clip because it's not appropriate for broadcast Yeah, there was no room left for the holy ghost. Yes, and Wall Street Journal called me and how many times you get to use you know phrase to cocktail In the Wall Street Journal, I gave the interview Quote I do have a reputation as somebody who enjoys serving the rich and powerful sh*t cocktails and quote And then two o'clock on a Friday My foreman's like we got to go out to the parking lot Why are we going out to the parking lot? I have no idea and uh Yeah, I was fired like a dog in a casino parking lot on my side And yet that is somehow not the parking lot related story That I also wanted to talk to you about today Which brings us now to my former classmate someone who you're quite familiar with through your reporting By the name of Vivek Ramaswamy I'm familiar unfortunately If you want to restore law and order in this country vote Trump If you want to reignite the economy in this country vote Trump If you want to revive national pride in this country, vote Trump If you want to make America great again, vote Trump alleged con man Vivek Ramaswamy as somebody discussed on this show previously How he used to raise his hand in our intro to philosophy Lecture by making the shape of a V which we all thought was Kind of like shining your own bat signal into the sky for the teacher to call on you But I digress for a second because it leads us to August, 2024 Operation desparado Yeah, Vivek there had been rumblings that he was looking at running for governor as a Republican against any act in a Democrat And if anybody familiar with his presidential campaign would normal people like I can't believe that's even a thing But Ohio as I have said from the get go is as a state dumb enough to elect him So I was very well known in state political circles by then, but Vivek was basically The only Ohio Republican who wouldn't be familiar with me and so my friend had randomly texted him in April of that year Saying like hey Vivek, this is head coach Ryan Dave. Love what you're doing with the country We'd love to have you on the radio show or come in to talk to the team and he responds instantly San coach day, it's an honor, you know, what love you big fan would love it And so fast forward and a July Um, I was bored on my couch and I resurrected one of my former alcoholic aliases Tim shitters In his war. He's a former Ohio State quarterback Whose photo did you use for Tim shitters by the way? I searched kid rock look alike The avatar Checks out And that was that was in the four loco era. So yeah, it was a run before a loco era was somehow a better time for America It was it was a simpler time Back more a functioning FDA and I texted him as I've learned in this business if you go to the assistance They're gonna like whoa. I'm gonna Google this Tim shitters guy I might see there's no connection to the universe someone might do a minimum amount of due diligence about who Tim shitters is As our campaign is desperately trying to wear sports where Ohio State football specifically as a costume Yes, yes, I just laid it on thick and I said, you know the guys in the locker room They're really excited about the potential of you running for uh governor And it's like okay, dude these Ohio's these 18 to 22 year olds who they really have opinions The inner inner workings every public and state politics And from there things just escalated They escalate to a parking lot at a raisin canes The assistant shows up they bring an entourage which was against the whole thing. I've Specifically stressed it was supposed to be him and the assistant And the only person who legitimately knew something was a miss was the intern He was a big Ohio State fan and I just I won the intern over by so he was a big Caleb Downs fan And I was like oh, I'm in with downs. I can get a fan shake just to recap you win over the intern by name dropping Caleb Downs. Yeah, yeah, we were discussing Ohio State football and I could tell he was just very excited And he's like, you know Caleb Downs is my favorite player This is my last day with a vague and this is why I wanted to come on And out of all the people involved that day, I feel bad for the intern And one of my favorite parts about your journalism, of course on the rooster is that You brought us a video So I'm Vivek Ramaswamy, I'm a businessman. I was born and raised in Ohio, grew up in Cincinnati, but I'm in Columbus now, and my wife actually works at OSU. She's a cancer surgeon at the Cancer Hospital here. And I'm looking forward to talking to the guys in the football team. What I expect to be darn well, the championship team of this year. I've been a big fan for a long time, but I want to share some of my experiences because one of the things I did over the last year was to do something that nobody expected of me, which was to run for U.S. President. I wasn't successful in achieving the goal, which is to win the presidency. But I did beat out many former governors and senators and a former vice president that nobody expected of me. And I learned a lot of lessons along the way, both positive and some for me to be able to work on in the future. Do you think we could get President Trump in you to a game this year? I think so. Yeah, absolutely. I do love when a failed politician shows up in a locker room to talk about the lessons they've learned in not succeeding. Yeah, and I like the line, you know, nobody expected me to do. Well, there's a reason for that. So I'm not sure how he would qualify beating anyone in that scenario, but his mind works in marvelous ways. But the one thing he wants you to know, Tim Chitters, is that he loves Ohio State football. Yeah, and he said it only says he grew up in Cincinnati. He grew up in Evan Dale, notably not Cincinnati. And the idea that he is, he's fallen into this trap in the, in his gubernatorial campaign, because he had that infamous tweet on Christmas Eve. We got to respect Steve Irkelmore. Yeah, we got to put some respect on screech, put some respect on Irkel's name. And so he's kind of been trying to sports wash himself as a big Ohio State fan, but you can read it from tape. I just wish we had more time to discuss the fact that Vivek Ramaswamy came out during the holidays and was like, "We need to care about sports less." That's led to him showing up to three games over the past two years in bootleg merchandise, which to his credit is like the most Ohio man thing that he has generally done showing up in a Chinese knockoff. But in typical fashion, he's a billionaire, so he just looks like a miser. And it's like, your team is obviously not doing you a solid here. Man, by the way, I need to leave the house like that. But it's very well-worn now strategy in politics in 2026 that to get the favor of voters who are otherwise totally uninterested in you. You should claim you love the local football team and claim you love the God that they also love. Even if neither of those things is technically true, but this brings us, by the way, before we get too deep into the story that we, again, we actually brought you to get it to here. This ends with Vivek and his team waiting outside the football facility, the Woody Hayes Center. Texan, who they believed to be Ryan Day, because I had a shooter there, but then his brother got a DUI in typical Ohio man fashion. So he wore shooters. Yeah, to get the pictures. And the only time he really was alarmed, everybody in his entourage was like, "All right, well, I'm going to hop on my bicycle and I'll meet you guys over there." And they were very alarmed by that. Like this guy's on a bicycle. And I said, "Well, it's a new era. We've got to pay the players, money's tight." And I helped put me on this bicycle. And with gas prices and Joe Biden's economy, but yeah, I hopped off on my bicycle. I got out of Dodge. Because he had a private security guy with him. And you just never know how those people are going to react when their boss is embarrassed. So you left them there, you end up waiting never to enter. And he had my number. He never called me. He left that for his staffers. Meanwhile, he was texting my old friend who he believed to be Ryan Day from the original conversation. And coach of the Ohio State football team. I believe his exact words were by the area with all the trophies. And so the last communication that I need to document here is simply that at this point, approximately, you send him the Shrek penis pick. Yeah, and I believe I told him he was never going to be our governor. I wish it wasn't looking good for me for a while there. I really thought we were a state dumb enough to elect him. We still might be, but some polling's coming out. It's not looking good for all a friend right now. There's a lot hanging in the air in these next couple of weeks for you for the vague for the state of Ohio. So we are sports show DJ allegedly and you are whether you like it or not. Not just a guy serving quote cocktails to politicians. You're also somebody who is inevitably digging into sports. And Ohio State football. We're going to stick here because among the many things you've looked into as well is of course a company by the name of life search. Yeah, I could I before I started the Ruse I work for I covered the Urban Meyer pretty much the entire tenure at Ohio State. I'm from the unfamiliar from a place called the city of Kings. I'm very familiar with Urban Meyer and Kirk Herb Street. And when those two popped up with the guy who also thinks he can change and manipulate time and get 21 days in a week in that viral TikTok. My day is 6 am to noon and I'm not crazy. You're crazy for thinking it takes 24 hours just like some dude in a cave did 300 years ago. My second day starts at noon and goes to 6 p.m. That's day two and then the next day is 6 p.m. to midnight. What I've done now is I have changed a manipulated time I now get 21 days a week. That guy was at life search. Yes, and Moai. Yes. Oh my. There's so much going on in our ongoing life search reporting, which we did last week, which we will of course remind everybody of as we go through this discussion. So this is the story that you had lined quote righteous book eyes inside the life search scam taking America by storm on May 10, 2025. And I say this because you were one of the inspirations for why we wanted to get into this from this larger national perspective and focus really at the beginning of our episode on Tim Tebow. But the roster here at this champions of faith event on stage. It's the Bentham brothers who were touted as the original victims of cancel culture because they lost in a home and garden television show thanks to their anti Muslim and anti LGBTQ views. How dare you merely describe the HGTV show flip it forward as some home improvement show. If I didn't put enough respect on that I apologize. The Kirk Herb she bring his dog. Yes. Kirk Herb she he's running some sort of puppy mill operation. I think the dogs were there alleged. Yeah. In my opinion, I forgot one of the most beautiful phrases in the English language. Kirk Herb Street, former High State quarterback, ESPN star brings his golden retriever. Urban Meyer brings the years of credibility that he gained as the coach at Ohio State from 2012 to 2018. School attorney comes over to me and said coach you can't do that. And I said I can't do what she said the person says you can't have the Bible study and you can't have the church service. And I said we're going to do it. You can't see the separation of church with state you can't do that. And I I'm really busy. We're doing it. She got our athletic director Jean comes over and I haven't told this story many times but he comes over and he can tell he's like okay and I said Jean we're doing this. If not, you got let me go. He's like we're not we're good. He said let's go talk so the compromise we had to call it reflection right. And Roy Hall literally leans over and says, stop telling the secrets. Roy Hall, the former buck guy NFL player who is the chaplain. Also there are some alumni of the currently fifth ranked Ohio State football team. All of them, by the way, 2024 national champions. Yeah, Caleb Downs playing in the NFL for the Cowboys of the DB. And then Tavy and St. Clair, nobody besides Ohio State fan should probably know, but he was a highly tired recruit out a little place called about fountain near Columbus. You'll probably hear him in a couple of years. They're quarterback coming up. Yeah, quarterback. Jeremiah Smith is a highly touted recruit out of South Florida. He could start for any NFL team. The unanimous all American in 2025. There's nobody more known at the current moment than Jeremiah Smith and his life surge announced on April 4th, 2025. Special guest Jeremiah Smith is coming to life surge Columbus. Early bridge special up to 70% off tickets for life surge Columbus be a part of something bigger and make a positive impact at life surge in Columbus, Ohio. Ohio State, it's kind of just another day at the office and really unsurprising if you know anything about the program and what continues on to this day under Ryan Day. Well, church and state ostensibly being separated. We do salary capture convention on the show didn't realize we'd be doing constitution circumvention as well. The religiosity of Ohio State's locker room, even after urban Meyer, right? I mean, what you're saying and what you reported here is that this focus on God. At the expense of ostensibly the constitution. It is transcended urban and entered. Yes, the fifth rank program as we. sitting here today. Yeah, I mean, they're leading baptisms on the oval, which literally, like football players on the roster have this big event where students can come and get baptized and I guess oversized Tupperware containers on the oval. Tonight in a powerful display of fellowship, the tradition continues for the OSU football team. This evening, several buckeye football players traded helmets for hope as they hosted a campus wide faith event. At the end of the day, his lower is above anything that we can do. You know, Jesus is real. You know, if you can believe in him, you'll be saved. It's so good to see so many people on campus get here together and just gather together as one, you know, in the body of Christ, we're all child of God. So none of us here are perfect either. It's the biggest thing. But guys stand out sunny styles and Caleb downs among several players, speaking to thousands. I think that would be kind of scandalous. I would assume that most big 10 universities that's just seen as another day in the life at one of the most prominent football programs in America. So I got to say, it's not wrong or illegal or surprising that there would be athletes and coaches who are quite Christian. I happen to be Catholic myself. And in their free time, they would preach. They would do these events. The difference here is that what you're identifying is a strain of something that I wanted to find, which is Christian nationalism, which isn't just we believe in the Lord and Savior. It is we believe that our nation, our government should believe in our Lord and Savior. And there is no better example of I would say the fanaticism behind it than the Ohio State University. And what we want to do on this show here at all times is follow the money whenever possible. Who's funding it? What's behind it? Because it's one thing to have even this circumvention of ostensible constitutional law to create this combined enterprise of church and state together at last at the Woody Hay Center. It's also something that as life surge has suggested can be big business for some. I was stunned that it really wasn't a bigger story about like, hey, these guys are literally funneling well-intentioned financially ill literate Christians into a meat grinder. The athletes, in this case, at Ohio State were used as seemingly part of the law. I mean, what life surge dangle at the end of that stick as the carrot was that 25 lucky customers at life surge would receive a photo up with urban buyer and the players. But as someone who was there and was watching the sales pitch happen on the ground, speaking of ground games, can you describe what that was like? I was going to spring for that. That was in my calculus, but I was like, man, just knowing urban. It's like, and this, like, do I really want to give these guys a thousand dollars and maybe for the chance of maybe being able to run up on urban buyer? I'm not so sure. Just knowing these guys, I couldn't trust them. So I stayed with my little box lunch ticket. It was so depressing. Because they were literally people in my section taking notes and like, trying to actually learn, right? I said, you know, I'll be back by one or two. How long can this really take? And it's, I didn't get out till five. It is a 10 hour, just ground in pound operation. And if you just, if you're, if you're very familiar with just the tricks of public speaking and the motivational speaking, the real complex. Yeah, the repetitive nature and the call and responses. I mean, by the end of it, I was like, man, like, am I missing the boat? Am I supposed to delete the Shrek piece photo of my phone and become a new man? Yeah, I could use some godly wealth, but it is about financial tools. That's part of what is different about this from prosperity gospel is that their sales pitch as we outline on the show, which has now been alleged to be predatory by current and former employees that we've spoken to as well as certainly customers on tape with us. They are signing up because of this idea that you must learn how to do capitalism to figure out how to create kingdom impact. It's just so depressing because I have a fairy, you know, I've read the Bible. And I thought the one of some of moments was Jesus storming into the money, changed your tables, yet here these guys are bringing out literal money changers. And I was going to go to the class, but then I was thinking I was like, I don't really trust these guys with my credit card information. And that's part of the story as well that we've reported is that credit stacking is one of the things they used to entice people. Hey, you need more than one credit card. Good news. We can make that happen for you right now. And I couldn't help but notice like, after every speaker, they'd bring out the money changing tables and then they would get you in the concourse when you're waiting in line for the hot dogs. You know, you would run up on you trying to buy a hot dog. Hey, if you signed up for these classes, I had multiple people in my schedule. I thought this was going to be an urban minor thing. Like I got stuff to do. They had left. So it was like the true believers by the end of it. And they made a very repeated point that this is your last chance. The money changing tables are going away before we get to the headliners. And I would suspect in my opinion that it was an intentional firewall to give the athletes these headliners somewhat of a deniability. So I want to explain what you've reported here, which is that the players arrived about how far ahead of when they went on stage. About 20 minutes. I had a guy who was working the arena. It was a staffer at Value City Arena and he was feeding me intel from the backstage and they all got there about 25, 30 minutes, which would again beg some questions about, was, did they even get their picture? But he's got, when did that happen? Our investigation into whether anybody got the photo with them and urban minor, that also continues. But the premise here that the players, according to what we know at this point, are not even around for the rest of it, but are showing up because here are the headliners we promised. It feels like something that should both protect the players and now cause them to ask real questions in the present tense. Exactly. And I kind of gave them some grace just because I was no road scholar at that age. And again, I have the football brain disease, like many central Ohio. And so that could be me giving them grace where it's undue. I'm just trying to imagine being one of those players. And let's say you are genuinely religious. You are Christian. You want people to know about it. You want to save others, right? So far, we're operating fully in the realm of sincerity. At a certain point, it's happening at Ohio State itself, right? And so you might imagine if alumni of our programmer on stage with me, it's literally on our campus that someone would intervene if this was not a thing that we should sign up for. Someone might even advise us one way or another. These guys have professional advisors now, especially those three on those guys. They have the agents, they have a team, I'm extended some grace to the players, but they're team who are in charge of putting these guys in winning situations. I would have some serious questions after this. Well, and this is the thing that we're balancing in real time. As we see, for instance, former life search speaker and current Boston Celtics head coach, Joe Missoula, cut ties with life search publicly. I mean, I'll give more credit than Tibo with his pausing. You know, I have an R team doing investigation, but also pausing our relationships. Well, but acting like he first learned of these allegations on the report came out. Honestly, I was at an anti-human trafficking conference yesterday. And team shared with me when we were leaving as we were fined a Alabama for event. And, you know, kind of caught off guard with some of it. I do got to point out that before the episode we did with Mother Jones was published. Last week, we exchanged emails with Tim Tibo's reps. And I'll just read the email here on September 14th, 2026 at 611 PM Eastern. We provided a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 18, 18 question list. That ranges from our use/your team aware that stock market and real estate training courses, quote unquote, impact classes and surge you training are being presented, marketed and sold to attendees at life cert conferences. Are you slash your team aware that once at these impact classes, attendees are immediately pitched high ticket investment courses and mentorships, costing as much as $40,000 and it goes on and on and on. And it gets to question 18 based upon the information that has now been brought to your attention regarding the sales practices of life surge. Would you reconsider your relationship with the company moving forward? They, I don't think they understood the firestorm that you were going to unleash upon them. Because again, why would you not want to get out in front of this? And that's the thing. All the sports figures got requests for comment from us at this point. And what we want to know is does this bother you? Does any of this bother you? What your name, image and likeness was used for? If it was to do allegedly predatory scheming that victimized sincere, perhaps financially undereducated people who wanted to know how to save themselves. Yeah, like the reaction is not merely, oh, no, this is embarrassing for me. It's, I presume also something like your conscience, reminding you that this is f***ed up. And I, you know, it kills me for them to say, "Oh, well, we're gonna pause it," which to me just is a specific word choice and kind of like we're gonna see what develops from this and maybe we'll re-examine what more do you need to see? (upbeat music) - Look, I think the writing is appearing on the wall, but it does not mean it's too late for people to establish what they knew and when they knew it. And this is where the camera swings back to Ohio State because the fact that this was hosted at Value City Arena, the Shotinstein Center. - Shotinstein. - Shotinstein. - This is the home to the basketball and hockey teams at Ohio State. - Yeah, it is the official athletics venue of Ohio State. - What we want to know was, what is it cost? Like what, what did Ohio State get paid to host this event? - I'm gonna assume they didn't give it away for free in the name of a Lord. - And unfortunately we do not yet know specifically what Ohio State got paid for the life search event. We have our requests out, they have not yet been answered. We will update our reporting as we get it. But we do know, thanks to documentation we obtained separately is that in a typical rental agreement we have one from 2020 that was booked for a 2022 event and 2023 event, we're looking at about $45,000 for a local school for instance, which rented out the arena for its commencement ceremony. And so that's what we're thinking about as the general ballpark. But I also want to note that on item number four on this contract that we have, it says payment will be made to the Ohio State University within 10 days of receiving facilities invoice, which simply means that this was going direct to OSU, right? So we're following the money into a public university, perhaps in the ballpark of $45,000. And so that's what you get. - And you ask who could have possibly greased those tracks for them. I would suspect Urban Meyer, in my opinion, would be at the top of that list because he still maintains clout within the university circles. - He's still a guy who had a bar slash restaurant very famously, not far. The steakhouse went away, but he still got the 7-0 pub, the Urban Meyer brewhouse or whatever, up in Dublin. So he was this past weekend at the Ohio State Illinois game that gave him a big entrance. - National championship winning has to be Urban Meyer. - It's good to be home, bro. - Sounds good. - Let's go. - Oh, let's get this place rockin'. - A legend, his name is intact, on television all the time. - On television all the time. - On Fox doing sports broadcast as again, this leader of men. And that's the funny thing about, he's great on TV, he's great at football. - Urban's problem is when you're not talking about football. (laughing) And then he kind of reveals himself he's just another money-hungry sub-urbanite. - Well, as we then ask the question of how does Tim Teebo get involved in this, all we can say for the time being is that Urban Meyer and Tim Teebo, of course have this intimate personal history. They won the '06 and '08 national championships together as we alluded to at the University of Florida. - They are both, of course, fellow members of the College Football Hall of Fame, which Tim Teebo welcomed Urban into in 2025. They remain close since as they will tell you quite often if you give them the opportunity to be on television together as they were on college game day in 2016. - We kind of snuck in and we used it as well. So we'll use anything we possibly can. - Yeah, Coach will say it doesn't matter, but he uses it nonstop. I remember in 2006, we had a whole wall dedicated to how disrespected we were. And there were a lot of curve trees up there and he loved it. - And do you remember what Teebo said about Urban after you're reporting about the lap dance scandal? - I mean, I think I might have missed that. - According to the People Magazine headline that I have in front of me, Urban Meyer going through quote, "one of the hardest times of his life," and quote Tim Teebo says of Coach. He then proceeds to explain on, of course, first take. - Well, I think first of all, this is a very disappointing, frustrating, and honestly heartbreaking situation. When I first saw and heard about what happened, my heart was hurting for Miss Shelly. Coach's wife, someone that I love very much and his daughters who I'm very close with and who I've talked to both of them this week and also had the chance of talking with Coach. And it's a very difficult week and my advice to him was to apologize to admit it, to learn from it and to never, never repeat it. - The biggest tie perhaps between Urban Meyer and Tim Teebo, you might argue, is on this piece of paper in front of me. Because for those who aren't familiar with DJ and I'm not even sure if you're familiar, but I do just wanna bring you the Form 990 for the Tim Teebo Foundation, which you might imagine has a roster that's also worth considering. - Oh dear. I believe this is what the kids call getting caught in 4K. So what I'm looking at is Urban Meyer listed as a co-director officer of the Tim Teebo Foundation. Looks like he's working one hour per claim, unpaid, which is probably the most shocking part of this revelation, but yeah. - So look, we continue to try and follow the money because we believe that there is the possibility of course that this is the story on some level of good intentions being abused. And the question is, who knew about the alleged abuse taking place when it came to, yeah, the thing that all of these people I think would say on all sorts of stages, they consider the most sacred part of their lives. So with 44 appearances, you kind of lose the visage of deniability. You had no idea, this is all just catching you by surprise that there might be something not on the up and up with how all these people are getting funneled into what I would describe as a religious meat grinder. You don't have Google, you don't have the internet. And this reminded me that I do wanna understand the origin story. You might even say the immaculate conception of lifesares. Like what was the first of these events that ever took place? And what I found took us to July of 2021 in Tampa when then Jacksonville Jaguar, Tim Tebow, is the headliner, the face of the birth, the immaculate conception, you might even say, of this event. - Are you ready? Join thousands of local Christian business leaders for a one day event in Tampa, Florida, live and in person. This is not another virtual event. Life Search is the only Christian business event that brings speakers like CEO of Duck Commander and star of Duck Dynasty, Willie Robertson. Here how Willie expanded his family's company from a living room operation to a half a billion dollar marketing phenomenon with Duck Dynasty, becoming the leading destination for all things outdoors. His story is a remarkable example of entrepreneurship and dedication built on hard work, faith and family. Also, Cugho Antianne Byler, left her Amish community, overcame major tragedies and started a small pretzel stand called Antianne's Pretzels. - We got a cancel of Antianne now. She has an Amish villain origin story. - It's a lot to learn that Antianne is a real. - Oh, my trips to the airport are never gonna be to say that smell is different now. It's just so much happening here. - The law of these people never ceases to amaze me. I would not have thought, Antianne, that's heartbreaking. - And above all else, you'll leave Life Search transformed and encouraged to make an impact for Jesus after hearing an inspiring message from athletes, entrepreneur and philanthropist, Tim Teeball. You will learn their secrets along with their unique biblical strategies that not only help them, but can help anyone turn an idea, career or business into a successful and influential force using their own. - That seems rather explicit. And that kind of just ties into, that's what's this, in my opinion, scam seems to be run upon is this ability to get pool in these sports figures, business tycoons and canceled reality television show, operators, to get people, like a traveling circus, almost, to get people interested in kind of sports washit and business washit, to give it the air of legitimacy. - Well, that's the thing is that sports, the show that we do here, we're realizing over and over again that we are constantly asking the question of who did the due diligence on this? And how is it that sports keeps attracting? The people who perhaps did it. And the answer is that sports is this passport to access audiences that otherwise are inaccessible. It's what Vivek Ramaswami was doing when he was trying to be a cop. Ohio State Superfan. It's what life surge is doing. It's what all of these entities that we are uncovering see as their key into, in this case, the hearts and wallets of like vulnerable Christians. And it, I joke with my friends all the time that like sports fandom, I truly believe it has a similar effect on your brain like any hardcore street narcotic and that it warps it, right? And so it's a perfect, because you're getting in the set of marks like my friends with Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are in fact a street narcotic. And so you have basically this loyal fan base of people who are like drug customers, right? They keep coming back no matter the result. It makes them feel good, but it also makes them hurt, but they love, they will say that they love it. And so if you can tie sports into religion, you have a very specific person who is already greased to believing the righteousness of their lifestyle. And there is no more recurring face and name in life surge, which is the overlapping Venn diagram of those two circles. Then Tim Tebow, who went to that first event that we just played the trailer for in July of 2021, and then appeared at 43 more as headliner over the next several years. To me, it's funny. He should have just taken his advice. He gave to Urban Meyer, come clean with what you know. Quote, my advice to him was to apologize to admit it, to learn from it, and to never, never repeat it. Because how much money is he, you know, he's probably made, I would say, there's at least two commas involved, probably. I think that's a respectable guess. When you look at his reported base speaking rate of, you know, 50 to 100 plus thousand dollars times 44, yeah, do the math. This is, this is a lot of, a lot of kingdom wealth that is being searched. Who is better to swap, wrap a scandal or wrap a, a swindle around, then somebody who is inherently above that is as close to God as Tim Tebow has been throughout his entire career. I want to end on a Shrek quote. DJ is what I'm attempting here. I've actually never watched a Shrek film in its entirety. Wait a minute. I'm glad that we could do this before year, call to the stand actually. Where you're telling me is that the rooster, the guy who was literally going on trial for sending a picture of Shrek's quote hyper realistic penis to a sitting state senator has never seen the film that that image is inspired by. No, I will note that apparently in this new film coming out, which is just amazing timing for Disney, apparently Shrek and his entire family get jailed. Two Star Wars friends off on another whirlwind, deep city events. Oh, this is bad. Baby, come back in a kind of fool. Could see there was something in everything about you. Spoiler alert. Yeah, it's not just spoiler, but it's definitely feelings. Maybe Alex Jones is right, and we are in the matrix. And so the question, DJ Burns, the rooster, as we get to the end of this episode, in which we have found out so much together is, yeah, is art imitating life. It truly starts to feel that way. But some of these things, it's almost beyond parody than this golden age corruption in which we all live in, but here we are. Mr. the rooster, thank you for your reporting, and I hope this isn't the last time that we talked to each other as free men anytime. And if our next conversation comes over, you know, a smuggled cell phone in the late county prison, then we'll cross that bridge when we get there. It's going to be a good episode. Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Walter Ave Roma, Maxwell Carney, Ryan Cortez, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lomon, Rob McRae, Laura Nukem, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, and Chris Tumanelo. CD-Engineering by RG Systems, sound designed by Andrew Bursick, digital strategy by Bailey Carlin and Andrew Northern. Beem Song, as always, by John Bravo. And we'll talk to you next time.