Tim Tebow on Life as Florida Legend, Aaron Hernandez Tragedy, & Saving the Children

What's up everybody? Welcome to Flagrid. Today, we are here with the most incredible, successful, famous handsome, handsome, ancient American on the planet is Tim Timo, for the tallest Philippine race in the Philippines. For five years, it's been back a bunch, but you left out of that intro also, the guy that's probably been cut the most in the NFL. So I'm going to get there immediately. You will perform quite a few cuts in the Philippines as far as I know. No, we have a hospital, we're sure to medical clinics, but I've never seen anybody. But you'll observe it. I got on the base still gets a chance to meet your brink. But then what do you get for that if they get a champion? That's the ring. All right, I'm sorry. I don't want to get you in trouble. All of these opinions are hours and hours. These are all right. I'm the man of God. I actually really admire you, which is like as a Hindu even, I think your relationship with God is awesome. You're a Christian, bro. You're the greatest college football. I'm sure we're all the same. We're all one God is one. Now he's down to one God, though. That's a big deal for them. He went for a million till like one. So this is a huge step. Okay, look at that. You've only been on here for five minutes. You already regret it. It's like two minutes. But I think you're great. I think your whole story is awesome. I think I'm just a big fan of you and how you carry yourself. And I'm very excited to have you. I really appreciate you. Man, you got me to be here with you. Bro and you broader. They're amazing. I'm grateful she's here. It's like I was never really on special teams. Definitely not a kicker, but I definitely outkicked my coverage with her. What should you last night? You got in trouble? Yeah. You know, it's crazy. This is just him. I've been watching this guy for what 10, 15 years. This is just who you are. Dude, can you can we go back a little bit to like, okay, so we have a real Florida boy here. You know that. We're in Florida. We're land on. Okay. And Sarah Soda to zone for Lake Mary High School. Okay. Yeah. Okay. We are also also homeschooled too, by the way. Yeah. Also homeschooled. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course, you get razzed a lot. Also. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. - Yeah. - My problem is that I wasn't like a six-three-quarter back, so I fit the stereotype. (laughing) - No, no, no, no. - The stereotype is not fit the stereotype of a home's car. - Mark is like a really handsome guy. Like I'm not a, no, I have no, me as you say in that. Next to you, he looks like dog shit. - Okay, that's like, why? - No, we have to come up. - Why does that have to come up? - It's an AC in there, bro. - I know, right. - I know, I know, I know. - I thought it was just a coffee, but it never happened. - I was getting hot, man. - You're feeling the pressure, man. - It's election day. We just want to bring you in here. We need a good Christian man. - It's our politics. - Exactly. - That's what it is. - And he turns Muslim. (laughing) - This is a big election. - Okay. - No, no, no. - No, probably just move on from homeschool. - No, we're going to get into it. - We're going to get into it. - No, what has happened? - It's not. It's a lecture like this. - Oh, sorry, it's a lecture like this. - Yeah. - Okay. - You're on from your own body. - No, no, no, no. - No, just regular. - Okay, okay. - Not like a big college football town. - It is not. - At all. - At all. - I'm like acutely aware of you. - And what's happening, right? So I'm like, okay, this is something else. There's like this, there's a different level of stardom. You're walking around like on college. Can you even go to class? Or is it something where like where people going, this is too much of a distraction you can't go through? - No, I still went to, I took a lot of pride in actually going to class. Sometimes it would be hard leaving class 'cause there would be a lot of people sometimes you wait and especially when it would come to like Thanksgiving and Christmas because then they would all have like the jersey or the football they would want you to sign to give them to their family for Christmas. That made it difficult. - Can we, so can we backtrack a little more even? So you go to your homeschool and then they have a rule that allows you to go play football even if you're homeschooled. - Yeah. - And you play football, you win a championship, state championship with a broken fibula. - Yeah. - Well, it happened earlier but yes. - Okay. - I had the idea. We're slicing hairs. Okay, so you win a national championship. You go to Florida. What's that recruitment process like? 'Cause my understanding of recruitment is they'll throw girls and you they'll throw X, Y, Z, U. That ain't anything you're interested in. - With all the respect, with all the respect, obviously. We know his story. - Yeah. So, but what's recruitment like for you? It's probably different than what's for him Hernandez. - Yeah. - Well, I can't wait to talk about Aaron. But go on, go on, go on, go on. (laughing) - I would say that recruiting was really unique and different from school to school and you know the schools that really do it well. Like the Alabama's LSU, Southern cows, Michigan's, they do it really well. And actually, I didn't think that Florida at the time recruited as well. I wasn't even interested in Florida until my senior year, they got rid of the whole Kota Schinkstaff, brought in Urban and Molen and all these great coaches. And it really changed my, I was honestly planning on going to Alabama the whole time. - Oh really? - Yeah, by that side wrong. - Until the very last moment. And people don't actually realize how close it was. I literally had to tell the world on like, maybe December 15th at 5 p.m., in the afternoon. And an auditorium that was packed half orange and blue half red and white. And I was so torn, I couldn't make a decision till literally the last second. And I'm standing outside with my dad and there's a process that leads up to it. And I couldn't make a decision. And I'm just like, Dad, what do I do? What do I do? What do I do? And he's like, all right, let's go back over priorities. This is five minutes before I have to tell the world. And he says, all right, Timmy, what are your priorities? And I say, that is what you tell me. It's a people, it's always about the people. It's most important. It's who you're around. He said, I agree. But can I ask you a different question? What if it's not about all the people? But it's just about one person. 'Cause you can't get coached and mentored and trained by everybody. If you could just pick one, who would you pick? And I said, man, I love coach Schule at Alabama. If I could just pick one, probably be coach Meyer. He said, okay, then there you go. And I said, all right, I'm going to go to Florida. Why coach Meyer? Over at Sabin is, I think we'd say the greatest. Sabin wasn't at Alabama at the time. Okay, Schule was still at Alabama. And then they got rid of him after the next year and brought in Sabin. You read how it all worked out. Do you think maybe he could have gone Sabin? Well, he, I think he was still at Miami with the dolphins at the time. Yeah, yeah. But, okay, so you decide to go Florida? Well, so then I pick up the phone. And this is the funny part. I pick up the phone to call coach Schule and to tell him I'm not going to go to Alabama 'cause I tried it. I think that's the right thing to do. And so I pick up a phone and then I was very close with him and his family. And they're just awesome people. And I was very close. So I got emotional telling him and he's had some tears. And I said, coach Schule, I'm so sorry, but I'm not going to go to Alabama. And he said, Timmy, you stopped right there. I love you just as much now as if you came to Alabama. You're going to have a great career. And hopefully I get to coach you one day. Wow. I hang up the phone, I look at my dad and I said, Dad, I made the wrong choice. That's the coach I was supposed to be for. That's the one I was supposed to be for. And then I was like, no, no, no, I'm not going to get swayed. I'm not going to get swayed. I'm going to go to Florida. So I pick up the phone to call coach Meyer. And I got like three minutes where I have to tell the world. Pick up the phone to call coach Meyer. And I'm wiping off these tears from coach Schule and Alabama and coach picks up. And he's like, hey, Teeves, how are we doing? And I'm wiping off tears. So he does another Alabama tears. But he's like, and I say, I'm good. Hey coach, I'm coming to Florida. And right before I say that his phone goes dead. And so he's in the car because he knows I'm about to make a decision. He's got ADD. And he's trying to, you know, just drive to be able to relax. And so he stops and he's trying to get his blackberry charge. And I guess that's why it would have been out of business. I'm not sure, but he's trying to get charged back on and turning it back on and won't go into voicing my voicemail. And they're like, you got to get on stage, you got to get on stage. So I rush on to the stage and I sit down in my family and some friends and coaches are sitting up on stage. And they're got to countdown going. There are ESPN's miking me up. My dad's sitting right beside me. And as they're miking me up and they're literally counting down. I go, Dad, and he's a kind of annoyed at me. He's like, what, Timmy? And I said, Dad, I didn't actually tell coach, my room going to Florida. I could still go to Alabama. [LAUGHTER] The audience can't hear me. But everyone, because I'm miked, everyone with ESPN can hear me. And so there, you can kind of see they're like, what's wrong with this? They're working all the problems. Yeah, they're like, oh my god, what's wrong with this kid? And I'm like, that's what I do. And they're like, five, four, what do I do? And we go live and I answer all the questions at the end. They say, next year, where will we be playing college football? And man, on one hand, it felt like a split second. On the other, it felt like eternity. But going back and forth, I really just went back to what my dad said and why I pick coach Myers. I really think that his vision and his belief were different, unique, and contagious. What do you mean by that? That hope is a good thing. Especially when we talk about it as like a faith-based thing. But hope for a college football team. It's a sucky strategy. You show up on Saturday and hope is your strategy. Right, right. And there's too many that hope was your strategy. But for coach, that wasn't it. He would pull you into his office. And he would, I said, coach Meyer. I shouldn't say coach, you're your coach. And he would pull you into it. And he would say, hey, this is what we're doing. But if we get you and we get this player and we get this player, this is what we'll do. And this is how we'll attack a defense. And so what I think great leaders do is they paint a vision of where you're at, but where you can be if you buy in and you get the right pieces. And that's what he did that was so unique and special. But then it's not just enough to have the vision. You also have to believe in it with your whole heart, right? You have to believe in it. And those are two things that I felt like were so contagious and the best leaders do. They have a vision, people can see it. You can communicate it. You can command it. But then you believe in it wholeheartedly. And that was contagious for me. So I really felt like at the end, that was the turning point. Okay. I'll go through a wall for this guy. I mean, even as the way he said that. We're going to get in front of his face. That's a whole time speech. But okay, so you get you go to Florida. I think, is it your freshman or sophomore you're back in a Chris leak and you're using kind of like utility player. And I remember seeing you running for a touchdown and then you did some like phone celebration you were talking a little smack. That was LSU. It was LSU. That was LSU. And that was because they got my phone number. And I had, I think it was the old, what was it called, razor? The razor roll. I think that's the pink one, right? And I literally, I could not flip it open and close it without answering a call. Well, they leaked your number. Yeah, they leaked it and whatever. And so I mean, it was all day. But the stuff was, it was not like trash talk. It was like vile things are saying. Yeah, it was like my mom's name and we're going to burn her at the stage. Oh my gosh, this is like my sister's names and what they were going to do to them. And some were I think just playing, but some just take it way too far. Right, yeah. So when we went to that stadium, I was very upset. And so when I, when we scored that time, I ran over to the student section and said, dial me up, keep calling. Let's go. Let's just fire. Probably not the most humble thing I've ever done. No, this is funny. I was also very, it's personal. No, I know. And I didn't know that backstory. And the announcer said, this is my introduction to you. They said, you know, Tim Tebow will talk a little smack to you or something. And I was like, oh, he's like a cocky guy. I didn't know you as a godfiring person, whatever. And then I found that out. But I was like, oh, he'll still talk a little trash, which I think is cool. Were you talking some shit? No, not really to the players. I don't like necessarily talk. I'm a lot of trash. We had a lot of players on our team that were really good at that. That could let them do it. So they would hear like, there was a few times that they were so funny, like talking trash. Yeah. Like at the line of scrimmage, like I would verbally laugh. Like who was the best? Anyway, this is perfect. Who was the best? Who was the best on the line? Oh, well, I love them very dearly. And this is just pause. Not an egg waveform. But the Pouncy twins are just, they're just the best. They're just, they're just the best. Okay, what would they say? What is that? A lot of stuff that I can't repeat and won't work. But they would, they would, they would know certain things about the detackler defensive ends. And then it would just be a constant. They would just keep going through a roll of decks. And just wearing them out. And, and see, for me, it's never like that. It was more of just like, when I get tackled and there would be a lot of stuff that people would say or spit, like, you know, we made a big deal about spitting. I can't tell you how many games someone's spit on me. They don't really. Oh, a lot. Yeah. I made it even though you're into that. They're mistakes. They're not selling you. But one of the best ways that I've found to really bother people is and really get under their skin is truly with kindness. And I don't say that as a joke. Like, I would get hit. And if I beat them up and I was like, and they're saying something, you know, that they're trying to get in their mind. I'm like, man, that's a great hit, dude. God bless you, man. I appreciate you. I'll see you next play. Like, he wouldn't drive someone's dungeon. Not sad. Like, that's what you say. Yeah. You can't say that. I've had so many of those. You can't say that to me. I told you. And it's like, why am I going to, I'm not, I'm not going to play the same game. Yeah, that's, that's been lean until what you are. You know, like, you know, Derek, don't get me wrong here sometimes that. My temper was definitely close to getting the best of me. Yeah. Yo, I got one show. There is one show booked. Okay. We did not hit Providence, Rhode Island. Last tour. Shout out Providence. Got a great comedy club out there. The comedy connection. But this will be part of their comedy festival. It is at the Providence Performing Arts Center. If I am not mistaken. Performing Arts Theater Center. Whatever. March 28th, 2026. That is up on sale. Right now, we'll see you in March. Also, guys, tour dates is only one I care about right now. This is a literal dream come true. Radio fucking city. Musical. Thank everybody watches podcast. Thank all of y'all. I love you guys. April 18th. We're pulling up. Sell that shit out. Let's pull it up. I promise you it's going to be the best show I've ever done. Hopefully the best show you've ever been to. 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And I remember there was hype about you. But like I don't think we knew how you would lead an offense, etc. Yeah, I think there was a lot of, I think two things. One, there was I got to play a lot of crucial moments. Most of the time I got to play it was the red zone, third down, fourth down. So when I would run into the game, you don't get first and second down to prepare, right? So that really helps you, though. Because when you're you're throwing in there, you're playing in a critical moment of the critical game, right? So you don't have time to kind of warm up. I think that really helped handling the pressure then for the next year. But there was a lot of externally, I mean, the pressure, the noise like I think they won the best of all championship, too. We did. It was awesome. But now you got to really know how hard it was for the whole squad. It was unreal. They were so awesome. I already helped them as when a championship with one amazing playoff game. I love them forever. But with the one two championships with that, so I love them too. But the pressure that's on you coming in. That success. And people don't trust you as a QB yet. No, and I think I think a lot of where they were skeptical of, well, can you do more than just third, fourth down red zone? Can you be a quarterback, full-time quarterback? Or can you actually sustain getting hit that much? Can you actually play that physical style football? And so there was a lot of criticism that took place and leading up to that season. And I just, I've always been a people pleaser. I think one of my big flaw for me is being a people pleaser. Have we got you on this podcast? No, but really, it really is a, you know, sometimes it can be an okay thing, but sometimes it can be a downfall, of course, right? You want to please people. And I remember just hearing all of that noise and criticism, going into that next season. I remember reading a book about Winston Churchill. And yeah, as a quote, or he says, "If you have enemies, good." It means you stood for something at least once in your life. And I thought, dang, can that really be true? How can it be good to have enemies? But you see, one of the things about Winston Churchill, this was the time in his life, when most of the world couldn't stand him. The ally thought he was losing the war, and everybody else was his enemy, right? But he stood by his convictions in such a way that maybe they couldn't understand it, but later they would come to respect it. And one of the things that kind of switched in me that I still have to work on on a daily basis is trying to go from being liked to strive to be respected. Because there's a big difference. I could you imagine on social media, if it wasn't a like button, if it was a respect button, what would be the difference? I'll get a lot less of those, most people would. But in my mind, sometimes I just try to make things very practical. It's a really good point because being liked is oftentimes just repeating what somebody else feels or thinks. It's like it's fickle, yeah. It is fickle because the second you divert from their feelings. Instant. They hate you. Yes, you say one thing we agree with. You say one political stance, one faith-based stance, one stance on anything you're convicted by. And if it just likes, then it's gone. But if it's deeper than that, if it's based on respect, which ultimately a hope and prayer for our society, is we would take the next level of honoring and respecting people, not just liking or disliking people, because it's so surface and fickle. Well, yeah, that's the dehumanization problem, I think, where it's like, you get this two-dimensional view of everybody. And I think the internet kind of, I would love to know what you're talking about. Yeah, no, I think you have a very unique perspective. But just to get it out is like, yeah, you don't really see people as like full people, you see them as these like digital avatars, right? So there's this like, people have an idea of you, depending on like what their existing beliefs already are. So there are so many people. Or what the media has said. Exactly, but like, we have this stereotype that are built out. Yeah, but depending on what the media says, right, because there's a bunch of different like media platforms right now, the people that like you will get the good things that people say about you. That's right. People don't like it, we get the bad. And they neither them have an accurate idea of you. Yeah. The people. that praise me. They don't see all the flaws and the people that hate you. They don't see your heart and trying to do good. And there's a mixture. And I think that's one of the things that was a lot for me of feeling just not enough sometimes when I go into a stadium, especially in college early on, was, man, even with all your success. Yeah, but it's almost bigger. It was like, if this goes good, then I'll get way too much praise, way too much praise that you don't feel like you deserve. No, that it's for the whole team. We had a freaking amazing team and it would be too much praise for this. But if there's, if, if we lose, then you're going to get criticized by the majority of the country and you're just kind of, there's a tension in the wait. I'm sorry. I don't want to interrupt you. I want to give context for people who don't know college football in the south, where you went to college, especially. It is a religion. These are 18, 19, 20-year-old kids. For some people more so. Yeah, it is. People are so, if you went to Alabama, you went to like people, that's all they care about. There's nothing else for them. It's this. So that kind of pressure on 18, 19-year-old kid walking into a stadium is a lot, man. I just want to give some context to what that is. It really is. It's a lot. It's for a lot of countries, maybe they could compare it to the intensity of soccer in certain places where my wife's from, they could compare it to rugby or cricket. But she also gives me a hard time. She's like, no, all you football players are soft because all are rugby players. They don't need to wear pads. It's the pads that are dangerous. Like not, I mean, that's what they say, right? It's like not wearing the pads. You're going to hit someone especially. Especially when you're talking about yeah. Yeah, but once you have all the pads on, it's just like, all right, I'm just going to full speed dive into you. That's also why I can't remember what you just said exactly. Do you ever lean on the scene to him? When she's asking you to do stuff, do you ever see to you? Do you ever do that with her? Like do pretend you have it, so you don't have to do chores or yeah. Never. She's waiting smart for that. Yeah. Yeah. This is like a full-time excuse. Yeah, he had that in the back pocket. I think my dad. I can't remember. Sorry, because my dad, he has my dad, he has dementia, but like for a long time, I thought he was faking it to no, don't because I think he's happier because he just gets away with everything. Like he just like he'll just be like inviting the boys over. My mom's like, what's going on? He's like, I can't remember anything. He's so happy. He's so happy. My mom says shit, forget to immediately. Happy. Oh, nice. The Lord works in mysterious ways. You can't just say that when you want to. The glasses have full. Okay, this is a beautiful gift. Happy, man. Yeah, beautiful, thanks. From God. Okay, so first year, I want to just talk really first year. When you were the backup, the first year, like you seem like a team guy, right? I imagine like you want to root for the other players on the team, but you're also someone who believes in yourself and ambitious, competitive. How do you manage that? Like what if with their moments where you're like, yeah, I think I should start. It's a really good question. And the answer is yes. And the answer is that it's very hard. And then I will also, and I still have to do this. I have to work on like I would try to show up with the mindset of like I'm competing with Chris, but also for him as a team. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean for him? That I'm on his team, and he's on the same team I'm on. Like when I get to go in the game, I'm trying to do good for him. So he gets to come back on the field. Right? We're competing for each other. Right. Like in practice, you're competing against sometimes, but you, I think average competitors, and I mean this more than a mindset, not talent, average competitors want to beat someone when they're weaker. Elite competitors want to beat people at their best. And that way I would challenge myself. No, I want him to do good. I just want to do better. Are you? And I think also to answer your question, I would try to show with the mindset and the kind of the redoing of my mind every day to say like, no, I'm going to root for him. I'm going to praise him. I'm going to encourage him. I'm going to want the best for him. Am I going to want to do great? Yes, but I'm going to choose to root for him. It's a choice. It's a choice. That's a thing. It's not always a motion. Your motions in our pride and in my ego and all of that, it can get to you. And if we're not fighting against it, that is a daily moment by moment thing. That's interesting to me, because in order to have the competitive drive to reach the levels you've reached, oftentimes the people that have it do not have that other compassionate part, right, where they go, I really want that person to win as well. That is something that you have to turn on constantly. Now, are you competitive at every single thing in your life? Okay. Okay. So like ping pong. Yes. Relentless. Yeah, I don't play it a lot, but I like, doesn't matter what every play I'm trying to get out of you ten. Probably would. He doesn't have the palsy twin stug and shit. Okay. All right. What is, where's that drive right now? And give me like a game, not in terms of what you're doing in terms of affecting the world, the charities, all these things, like what is like a big game that you can be relentlessly competitive? Is there anything for him? It's paddle. Goff, pickleball, rambling out. Pickleball. Oh, you're not a pickleball fan. No, you said that was such a paddle, but I could paddle. I played paddle. So it's a paddle, or whatever it is. No, no, no. This is trash. This is trash. This is what I like. Okay. No, I would never shut. I would never. I'm sure to. What is a game in your mind? Very good. Yeah. No, no, no, bless your heart. No. I mean, it is like the rich man's pickleball, I guess. No, no. No, no. No, no. Pickleball is a far. You're on like older people thing, but you're a young man. Have you ever played singles and pickleball? Yeah, I've watched it. No, I've watched it. I've hit a couple, you know, it's, it's ping pong, what you're standing on the table. It's adorable, but I feel like you, you could really be effective in paddle. I think I just want you to try one time. I would love to try it. I'd love to play. Thank you. That's why I wanted to get into that. Yeah, I love to. Yeah. I'm in New York. Yeah, aren't you allowed to hit off like the glass and stuff to you? Yeah, oh, yeah, you know I don't really know all the rules, but I'd love to learn it looks fun It is I think I've heard might be wrong in this but I think I've heard that it's like the fastest growing sport in the world might be Wait, this guy talks about it. I found out he's a ringer. Yeah, he's been playing for three years Yeah, you can still he's rope a dope in you right now Let's put some money on it. Yeah, it's just a little something. Do you gamble a little bit pencil with it? Yeah, yeah, a little bit Do you gamble a little bit? No, just you know, we're just considered a different form of tithing, right? Can we do proper? It's a wager than it's like, okay, you can give to the chair You're my cause. I lose give to the charity of your notes. So I like this much better I actually don't gamble on any sport that I play yeah, I mean either because I'm Is that a big story in the news now? Why would anybody do that? How would any of these NBA players be like pull themselves out of the game for no reason? This is like a real issue I honestly don't know much about I just heard from the news like well, obviously what happened yeah, the NBA and I really do think it's important that That is not a part of any of the game because people lose trust it and you lose credibility He's really controversial the loyalty of people yeah 100% yeah, but it's so easy with these prop bets like back in the day You had to throw a game You know they like now you could just get less than eight rebounds and then your buddies can make a bunch of money So what do you think they're someone on the side line or the you know court side? That's like hey you got they got a You got seven rebounds. Yeah, they're keeping track. I'm sure I'm sure I mean it's proven that's the accusation that Johnson for you got you got arrested for it They found out but also like the thing that the people gambling don't understand is The betting sites are so sophisticated. They can tell when a lot of money comes in on an obscure bet So immediately they flag it until the NBA isn't it crazy though with so much of these games how close they are With the lines. Oh You can't you can bet who you can guess who's gonna win? I think with fairly decent but like the spread I can do you never gonna beat it It's it's crazy sometimes. I don't know how they do it I don't they know every piece of information. They know everything. It's crazy. Yeah. Okay. Let's we're talking about we were talking about Aaron Hernandez. No One point. Okay, so you're competitive you're able to root for your teammates and you're able to root for the guys You're competing against but it is an active choice It's not something that like maybe comes the most naturally to you because being competitive is probably what is It's a very instinctual and it's that drive, but then I also feel like when you, it gets easier when you're able to bond with teammates and you go through collective suffering, right? Then there's such a deep level of respect and hardship that it becomes also easier. How do you get your teammates to expect? Super Christian guy, you're not partying with anybody. I assume I don't drink. I mean, this guy doesn't expect you go don't hang with them that you don't spend time, that you don't have fellowship, that you don't have relationship, that you don't, I think sometimes it's just cool at all. I was not an obstacle. I would try to spend time and hang with my teammates, but there's also like areas where they, you know, like you just go to the party, he's going to partake in the stuff. Some of it, yeah, and it's just, I don't know, I think I was just trying to figure it out. How do you do it? What was that like before? You just tried to. No, what was that like? You walk into a party as you and Florida. What was that? I know your wife is here. It was, it was, it was a place where girls were losing her mind. Girls were losing her mind. They all knew of the players. People would cry when they saw him on campus, dude. This is also what I want to ask you. When does it go from people are, the dehumanizing is also on the positive event. Timo Mania, when do you feel that thing hit? We just going to jump off the parties real quick. Go to the party. Do you just remove yourself when, because it was almost, you're like a boy band at the time, right? It was that type of sensation, right? Do you go, I just got to get out of here like, yeah, sometimes, but then you're like, I can't let this not let me spend time and have fellowship with my teammates, right? It's like, I don't know how to say I just did it imperfectly and trying to figure it out. What did the palsy twins say when you're supportive? No, but when you were like, when you're like, listen, I'm waiting. I'm waiting until marriage. I'm 100% waiting. What was what were there? They're awesome. But was there? There is no jokes. There is nothing. There is no fun just amongst brothers. Yeah. I mean, honestly, not really. People, it's only when the media brought more of that stuff up. Yeah. It wasn't really a like, we got two guys here that waited for marriage. They were so supportive. One and two for our wives. Yeah, wait a for a while. That's waiting for marriage, right? Yeah. What do you mean? My wife and I had sex before. Yeah, Mary, but doesn't. The temptation on the phone is the carnal pleasure. The carnal pleasure is out to me. I was 31, dude. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I want him to feel comfortable. I want your heavings on this couch. This guy is. He calls me. I've done everything. And now I'm all of a sudden. He's in. Oh, my goodness. Anyway, sorry. I apologize. Back to you of real man who believes like my friends. Can I take a part something? He said 100% not partaking. I know a lot of Christian people growing up in the South who were like, I'm not having sex until I get married. That meant one specific thing. Yeah. And I think. Talk to me. I think for for me too many times I made it about rules, do's and don'ts. Like what you're talking about. When really I think one of the most important things is honor. Is that I would honor my future wife? And I think there are so many times I didn't do that in so many areas in my actions, my words, my thoughts, and you fell short in so many areas. And most of the time is because you're like, okay, what's the boundary? What's the area? What's that that line rather than what's right? What's right for my future wife? And I think that's too many times had the wrong idea and the wrong goal when it's not about the do's and don'ts. It's about choosing to honor her. That is beautiful. And you took all the fun out of all of it. Just good. Good night. Yeah. Forgive him. Forgive him for what he did last night. Forgive him. Did you ever go to parties with the basketball team? And like you guys both win national championships. And then you guys are chopping up. Now these guys are in the NBA. Yeah. We would be, I mean, Al and in Joe Kim and Corey and Lee and all those guys. We'd have some classes together and just, it was awesome though, just the support from one another. They win the championship. Billy Donovan comes to talk to our team and the, you know, and they went back to back and we went two out of three. And it was just, and honestly, our swimming team, our gymnastics team, our baseball team, it was just dumb. Like it was so many of the teams. It was like, at least you were good. Yeah. I was going to say number one public school in the country too. Sorry about it. Oh, really? Yeah. I believe so right now. You have this good school. Yeah. I'm shocked by this. Harvard. Yeah. That's good. The Harvard. I'm still trying to understand what was going on. Like because I'm a New Yorker. We didn't really care about college football. But I even heard of your name during that time. So like what was going on that like it was national news everywhere? Yeah. That's a good question. What do you think it was? It was so compelling. It's a good question. You know, I think that we're blessed with a lot of success. And I think success puts a lot of eyeballs. And I think that doubling down on the basketball team and all of that, I think that led to more and more. And then I don't know. Yeah. It's just a good question. You know, why do certain things go to respect your teammates? You were that by far the head of that attention. Yeah. We had a lot of great guys. No, you had a lot of you were a great team. What do you think was about you that drew so many eyeballs? I don't know. But you know, it's interesting. There's a lot of times that I didn't want to. Did you like the attention? For things and at times, but there was also times when I was like, man, I just want to go play. Times, I think it made it a lot harder. I think Denver and New York and other places that made it a lot harder. So yeah. What was the first game you put the the eye black John through 16? I believe it was my junior year. I believe it was Tennessee. And you know, I'm homeschooled lefty dyslexic. So man, it is not legible at all. Austin, you get it. I think that's what I had to have one of our trainers ride it on it. Oh, sorry. That was in John three. That was Philippians 413. And I wore that. And we were blessed to beat Tennessee that day given us Tennessee. But we would. I was wearing it under my eyes every single week. And you know, as you are talking about the fans are so passionate. After four or five weeks, they start literally selling it like on the side of the stadium and stuff of, and you have thousands of people that started wearing, um, Philippians 413. I mean, I encourage. I don't believe that necessarily everybody knew what it meant. I had one classmate. His name was Phil. And he goes, Hey, did you put that under your eyes for me? Yes, yes, yes, actually. All right, guys, take a break for a second. Today's episode is brought to you by Kraken. You go to for all things investing. Now, boys and I, we've been rocking with Kraken's last year. Why? Why is that? It's simple. It's secure. That might be the most important part of secure. Okay. All these other crypto platforms are falling apart once the weather gets a little rough, not Kraken's bill for it. Okay. It's fast. And with Bitcoin starts flying, you want a platform that doesn't fold. 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It's six. >> Yeah, six UTCs. >> It's six UTCs. >> All right. >> The fuck is going to start late. >> Anyway. >> Oh, literally. >> Give it to Al to make everyone late, bro. >> It ends December 3rd. Okay. This time, this time, this time, this time is crazy right here. 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds, UTC. >> So that's 17. >> All right. >> All right. That's the thing. >> That's the thing. >> That's the thing. >> That's the thing. >> I have to require a view to crack an app. One entry per dollar trade on crack. And one million entry caper, user, no purchase, necessary. Do you graphic restrictions apply, terms apply, big website? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't think so. >> That's a lot to read. >> Sure. >> He's probably put that somewhere, man. You should definitely do that. >> It coin, man. So Bitcoin's humming. I like that. >> It should be evidence, but in fact, we don't know time, but this isn't legal advice. >> Yeah. >> Or financial advice. >> More time advice. >> Yeah, not event. >> I would really look up that time yourself and just kind of see where you are in the world and how it impacts you. >> Yeah, see what it means. >> Because to me, that was six o'clock in the night, you might miss out on your free Bitcoin. >> You might miss it out. >> You might get 100,000. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, you might be 12 hours early on it. >> You only? >> Yeah. >> But you might have heard six and at six a.m., you might be in a completely different time zone. In fact, time zones are free. >> Yeah, that should be magic. >> What is it? >> Yeah. >> What is it? >> UTC. >> UTC. >> Yeah, and it obviously stands for a coordinated universal time. That's what UTC obviously translates to. >> Oh, it's Spanish. >> Is that what it is? >> When they do it backwards? >> Yeah. >> But it's still not backwards. It should be CUT. Anyway. >> I don't understand what it all means. >> Nah. >> He's a. >> He fucked up somewhere. >> He did fuck up somewhere. >> I don't know. >> I know what he said. It's true. >> He said it's correct. >> It's like an annual version of Spanish is the opposite. >> Yeah. >> Is it Cedilla? >> Yeah. It's like a disease. Gay. >> In your butt. >> It's fucked up. >> It's fucked up. >> I like that. >> But it's the opposite. >> You know, what is autoimmune deficiency syndrome? >> Is that it? >> You get it in your mouth. >> Oh, damn. It is backwards foot. >> Oh, no. >> That's Australian mouth. >> Yeah. >> You're clear. That just made me feel uncomfortable. >> Yeah. It made me feel weird. >> Also, you know, for a fact that saliva breaks down aides. [laughter] >> He didn't know that. >> He used to tell each other. >> Yeah. >> I can tell. [laughter] >> I can tell. >> I can tell that to each other. >> Yeah. >> First get it after. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, so Bitcoin, Hammond. >> Bitcoin's Hammond, dude. >> What's Bitcoin out at the end of the year? >> I mean, right now it's at what? 100s, 506? >> Let me look up. What is, what is, what is cowshee have Bitcoin at at the end of the year? >> Hmm. I mean, people are saying it's going to hit 150. >> So, let me look at this right here. By the end of the year, there is an 8% chance on cowshee that Bitcoin hits 150 grand with two down arrow. [laughter] >> With two down arrow reds. >> UTC. >> That's very important to understand a two down arrow red. >> Yeah. >> So, it was at 10% now is at 8%. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I should 150 by the end of the year. >> People are saying by June is at 35%, 150. That's pretty good. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that's kind of a nice little arbitrage, right? Because you could get a Bitcoin and then on top of that, go to cowshee and be like, double up. >> Yeah. >> Kind of nice, right? >> But what if it doesn't? [laughter] >> That's a big double down arrow. >> Yeah. >> That's a big double down arrow. >> Yeah. >> It is a double down arrow. >> Yeah. >> Or you could hedge and get one on the other. >> Yeah. >> And then you're going back where you were. >> Exactly. >> Get a Bitcoin and bet it all there. >> That's central time. >> Yeah, exactly. >> That's 100% UTC. >> Yeah. >> That's 100% central. >> Yeah. >> Bro, money magic. That's what it is. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, listen, let's get up. Let's get up. You got some Bitcoin. We all got a little Bitcoin. >> Yeah, well, something. >> I'm up. >> I'm up $100. I'm not trying to brag, but you boys flush. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah, dude. >> I don't know. >> What's up, man? >> Yeah. >> That's pretty good. >> That's why you dress as an undercover cop in a subway platform? >> He's our man. >> He's our man. >> You had a sweat band on your wrist? >> I would never jump a turt stop. >> What? >> Never in my life, right? >> I'm booping. >> Why are you acting like you haven't seen you a thousand times? >> Get out of here. >> If you had the North Face boots on. If you had the North Face, if you had the Gore-Tex Nike boots? >> Now you're getting closer. >> You're a 100% police officer closer. >> Yeah. >> But all black. >> That's what they all black. >> No. >> With the Admiral necklace. >> They have the Yankee jersey on. >> And they always have a bad fit. >> You had the Yankee hat. It's close enough. >> Yeah. >> But it's a bad fit. >> It's a bad fit. >> They would wear a bad fit. >> Come on. >> Come on, come on, come on. >> No. >> I'm flowering it. >> What is that fitted with the flower in it? >> It's just a little rose going through it. Just some special. >> Some special. >> Oh, it's some special. You didn't know it was actually special. >> Yeah. >> Hold on, hold on. Just so I can understand. >> When I asked what is it, and then described it. And then you described it back to me. >> You said a flower. I had to tell you what type. >> Yeah. >> Okay, yeah, yeah. >> But I mean, what brand was behind it? >> Oh, I don't know, nigga. >> The fuck? >> Damn. >> Bro, remember when you called his necklace to the Emerald Tablet? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Billy Carson almost changed that. >> Yeah. >> He almost took it back. >> I thought he was coming in to get Avery's nut. >> Yeah, fuck. >> I know. >> I'm sorry, I was right there. >> Anyway, man, let's get back to the show. >> Yeah, let's do it, I guess. >> I think we're already back to the show. >> Let's bring Hot Goss back in. >> Yeah. >> Let's bring T-Vo as well. Let's bring the other people that are here. >> On this show. >> We were playing SEC Championship. Number one versus two, us versus Alabama. And man, for games, I just, I really try to be like, so tunnel vision focused that I don't look around. I don't want to see people. I just want to go look at the smallest comedy denominator, something that I've done over and over and over again. I just want to do it a little bit better. So I don't like look around, take in the environment. Because I think that's a lot of times when pressure gets to you. >> Yeah. >> Right, you think about the what if, what if we win? But as we're getting ready to run out of the tunnel, there are these fans that are hanging over the edge of the tunnel. And so they're like, kind of their hands are wiping by me. And I just peek up like this. And I see, I look up and I see this whole line. And so many of them are wearing Philippians 413 under their eye. And it just, I don't know, something different hits me in my heart where I, we run out the tunnel. And usually for me, it's, I run right to the 30-hour line. I do three drums. I do three sprints from the 30 to the goal line. I do three passes. I go get three snaps. I go over the first 15 place. I do it again and again and again. I just try to block out everything else and focus on the task at hand and focus on the obstacle, which is that defense we're facing. Period. Like you're not thinking, don't let your mind drift. But my mind started to drift because I see this and it just starts impacting my heart. And you think, man, if we win, we'll be playing in the national championship. Yeah. If some reason it came to my head, like you need to change the verse. And so then we won in the next six weeks leading up to the national championship. I kept really contemplating and agonizing over it. But I really felt that I was just supposed to go with John 316 because as a Christian, it's a verse that sums up Christianity in such a clear way. For God's so loved the world, He gave us one and only son that whosoever believes in him would not perish, but have eternal life. And so I decided to go to that verse. And two nights before the game, I went up to my parents hotel room in Miami, Florida. And I said, hey, mom, dad, I'm going to change your verse. And my mom, she's so supportive of my dad's like, have you told Coach Meyer? Because he says he just likes his routines. But that dude is so superstitious. It's crazy. So he's like, you need to tell him. So the next day we have our walkthrough and I finish, we finish our little walkthrough. And I say, hey, Coach, can I talk to you for a second? He's like, yeah, what's going on? I said, hey, you know the verse. I wear antibiotics. Like, yeah, flippin's 413. I can do all things for Christchurch and me. I love it. And he was like, yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah. Well, I'm a plan to change that verse tomorrow night. And he's like, what are you talking about? You can't change the verse. That verse God is here. And I explained to him why I felt compelled to change the verse. And honestly, I didn't really think about it a lot after that. There's the next night. I put it in my eyes. And we were blessed to win the National Championship. And two days after that game, I was in Ballyhoo restaurant. Gainesville, Florida. My mom and my dad and Coach Meyer. And we're sitting down having dinner. And Coach Meyer gets a call. And he's always so intense. He's like, hello. Uh-huh. What is it? Tell me again. What do you mean? Seriously. Okay. Bye. And I'm like, Coach, what was that? What happened? And he said, that's Steve McClain or a PR guy. And I said, well, what did he say? He said, he just got all the statistics in. And he just told me that during the game, 94 million people, Google John 316. Crazy. Wow. And I was sitting there. And I was like, my first thought was, how the heck do 94 million people? No, John 316. 16. It's like one of the biggest versus that it's like way - Hey, welcome to Sonny School, John 316. And, but I remember just sitting there and being so overwhelmed at, what a big God we serve. And he can take the small little loaves and fishes when we feel like it's just a little and he can multiply and do whatever he wants with it. And, but then I think a mistake I make a lot is, God does something, but you kind of put him in a box, right? You're like, oh, that's cool, but it's done almost. And my favorite part of the story is exactly three years later when I was playing for the Broncos and we're playing the Steelers and the playoffs. We play this game and it's over time crazy game and I still think it's the fastest over time in NFL history and we win and after the game I change and I'm going to do the press conference and you know, I always love talking to the media. It's my favorite thing. (laughing) And I'm getting ready to go do this press conference and Patrick, RPR, guys, steps in front of me, he's like, Timmy, do you realize what happened? And I'm like, yeah, we beat the Steelers, we're going to play the Patriots. That didn't go well by the way. (laughing) And I said, yeah, and we're going to play the Patriots and he said, no, that's not what happened. I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's what happened, dude. He's like, no, you don't know what happened. Like, Patrick, what happened? And he said, Timmy, it's exactly three years from the night that you wore John 316 under your eyes, exactly three years to the night. And I said, oh man, that's really cool, that's so awesome. He said, no, you don't get it. And I said, all right, Patrick, what don't I get? He said, also, during the game, you threw for 316 yards. (laughing) Your yards per completion were 31.6. - Oh, wow. - Your yards per rush were 3.16. The time of possession was 31.6. And the ratings for the night were 31.6. And during the game, over 90 million people Google John 316 is the number one training thing on all social media. - You want to go to heaven and not, man? - Well, what else do you need? - Where do you want to go? - Come on, where do you want to go? - That's what's going on. - That's what, God is being obvious with that one. There's like no doubt right there. 31.6 million people watching? - Yeah. - Whoa. - So some good ratings. - Yeah. - Those are some good ratings. - It's a great game. - Yeah, I see the ratings. - I remember standing there and he wasn't doing that for the Philippians one, huh? (laughing) - No, the Patriots had that one the next day. (laughing) - They want 41 to 3 actually. (laughing) - Thanks for rubbing that in. But I remember staining the air and I didn't celebrate. 'Cause I actually felt a lot of shame and guilt. - What? - Because I knew my heart and my intentions that night. And they were to prove the doubters wrong. They were to show that I could do it. And they were some good ones to support my teammates. But I was just so convicted. Like, almost like God was breaking my heart saying, you thought tonight was about a game. - Yeah. - And that's what you wanted it to be about. It's never just about a game. I didn't send my son for a game. And I just, I was really convicted. And you thought it was shamed. You felt shamed because your desires were selfish is that I felt shamed because I felt like that on the throne of my heart at that moment, it was about me. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. And I walk in to go do the press conference and they're asking me some basic questions. But you can see all these reporters. They like, they know all this. But you know, they don't really feel comfortable asking all of this, they're like kind of leaning to the side. Like I tell me, what about all of these numbers, you know, three years from now, you know, they're trying to figure out how to even ask me the question. - So the reporters have the data. They're not convinced by it. But they're also like, this is a pretty-- - You know, but they, they're asking the questions. - They're asking, they're asking. - They're trying, they're like, yeah, yeah. - And so they're like, uh, so it's something to the extent of, you know, so tell me all of this and three, one, six, and all of these, three years from pretty big coincidence, huh? And I remember saying something to the extent to the guys that were beside me, you know, it's media all around to the guys that were beside me. Well, you could believe that it's a really big coincidence. Or you can't believe that we serve a really big God. And I think that's something that we all have to figure out or are we all here because of some massive coincidence and that's where all here or are we here because there is a God that actually loves enough and us to create us in his image on purpose, for a purpose, and are we really gonna believe because if you just believe it's a big accident, then what purpose do you really have? - What, what God believes in Michael Jordan? (laughing) Is it the same? Why don't you think? - Jesus God, that believes in Michael Jordan. - That guy's-- - The framing of the question really out there. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Look at what he believes in Michael Jordan? - Yeah. - God's gotta believe in you too, right? - He believes in him. (laughing) - Doesn't it go, doesn't it not? - It's not a girl, it's not a girl, it's not a girl, it's not a girl. - It's not a girl, it's not a girl. - It's not a girl, it's - It's not a girl, it's not a girl. (laughing) - He enjoys it, he likes watching you go out there and cook. He's decent to it, I'm telling you. I think, yeah, I think there's a lot going on. - Did you ever see some of the SNL skits they made about that? - No, they were so stupid and funny, but it was like, you know, all just joking about me praying before I, but then like, you know, Brady and Bella check and all the memes after they beat us from the next one. Some of them were pretty clever. - Yeah. - What was it saying about Brady and Bella check? - I can't remember, they were way too long ago, but they were funny though. - Father Tom Brady was Catholic, just saying. - Maybe helps a little. - You know, maybe. - That was a good point. - Do you make a good point? - His dad was going to become a priest. - And then he didn't. - And then he had Tom Brady. And then Tom Brady gave us one and only son for the game football. (laughing) - You didn't give us one and only son for the game football. - Okay. - That's a pretty sacrilegious statement. - No, no, no, thank you. - I think God loves us equally, obviously. I think He loves you more than Tom Brady, but that's just me personally. That's just me personally. And I roasted Tom. - Of course you don't believe that. - I don't believe that. - I don't believe it. (laughing) - That's funny. I'll just say it. - I'm most curious because like, I went to a Christian school and like, we would pray before games and sometimes you went to your kitchen table. (laughing) - Is that Christian school? - Yeah, that was not there, bro. - That's not the fifth grade, bro. - I went to a great school. (laughing) - What is that? - That's not the fifth grade. - I mean, I'm trying to impress you. - We didn't even have anyone to cheat off of. - Yeah, it's the point. - That's true. - That's true. - I lemonade certain temptations. - You were just like, you couldn't even read there. (laughing) - That's true. - You got a chance. - Yeah, that's a whole test. - Were you really dyslexic? - I am, dyslexic. - It was in his day. (laughing) - You get something that all of a sudden you're like, you hit puberty and it changes. - No, Tyler, like asthma, Tyler. - You hit the Tylenol. - It was all that. - It reverses it. - It reverses it. - Yeah, it was a strength. - I didn't know that. - So to this day, to this day, it's still difficult for you. (laughing) - There's no problem for me. - Daming also matters. Am I dyslexic? Yes. - But there wasn't like a hit you took in the league where you're like, all right, I shook that off with it. - It just switched to you. - Yeah, now that's actually the numbers, yeah. - No, I actually really believe that dyslexia, like one of my nieces has it and she calls it her superpower. - Wait, why is that? - Because there's a book, if you're interested, you're probably not. It's called the dyslexic advantage. - Pouchy twins over here. (laughing) - It's called the dyslexic advantage and it actually talks about how it's not a disability. It's just a difference. So most people think inside of a box. Dislexic people, we think way outside of a box. And you just think very differently. It's also a reason why there's a higher percentage of entrepreneurs that have dyslexia than the normal population. Because they've had to adjust and think outside the box and they naturally do that. So they're naturally. And there's like, I think four main ways that dyslexic people think outside of a box. Like there's different forms of creativity and narrative and different ways that they process. But for me, I do not see things inside of a box. Which sometimes I think it hurts for normal things like in a classroom, study in essays. But then it also really helps for a lot of other things. Certain forms of creativity or a different way to get the job done. A different process to do it. So I think there's pros and cons with it just like anything. - Was there trouble for you with reading playbooks? - No, especially once I figured out how my brain learned. So I'm a kinesthetic learner. I'm not an auditory learner. So if a coach just stands up there and just tells you all this stuff, it's not going to work the same as if I can visually see it and then walk through it. - Yeah. - And so you learn how you learned. - Yeah. - And that really changed. changed a lot for me. And I could then memorize so much more and so much faster. - Do you create the worlds or do you create the spaces for your memories? So people who have like kinesthesia, I think is what you're talking kinesthetic? - Yeah, so it's like kinesthesia. - I think that they're, no, is that not it? It's like a specific type of memory in which you like create these spaces and you attach like visually? - Yes, like the memory palace. - Exactly, you attach the memories to these spaces that you can imagine. So you're like walking in a door and then this thing happened. - I don't know if I think of it exactly, but like when I was getting back to playbooks, when I would do that, I would like be, you know, mean your dorm or apartment or something, and then I would like close my eyes and I would visualize walking through it in the defense we would play and where they would line up. And when I started doing that was also very helpful. - And what about scripture? Difficulty reading? (laughing) - I mean, that's true, it makes it harder to, yeah, it makes it harder to just read and read fast, but now there's so many apps you can get on you version of Bible app or do whatever it'll read to you. And so, that's also something I think it's good not to just speed read through though. - Yeah, take your time. - Yeah. One of the things I was curious about those like, before games I would have like coaches of prey and then some of the kids I feel like they would be praying, but they would be like praying to win. - Yeah. - And I remember as a kid being like, the other teams also praying to win. Like I feel like this like the Christian sort of like prayer done within like competitive games. Like sometimes I'd be like, I don't know if God cares about like this game in this exact moment and who wins. - So I'm curious like, what was that dialogue? And not to know, it's like your personal relationship. - No, I pray for injury. - Yeah, no, I think it's a really good question and it's important. And I think there'd be a couple takes on it from my opinion and I don't know if they're right at all. It's just be my opinion, I wouldn't discourage it because I really believe that God doesn't want us to have pre-hearse prayers. Now there can be really good prayers, but I really feel like God wants our heart. And I do think it's okay to say to God, I really want to win this game. I really want to do this. I really want, but then I think it's even more important to say, but if it doesn't happen, I still want to trust you more, right? And I don't want to put my faith in this game or this thing or this corner office or this job or this podcast or whatever. I want to put it in you. And so I don't discourage people from showing their heart. I actually believe that we look at scripture and you look at the life of David and man, he just poured his heart over and over and over to God in praise, in fear and doubt and unknown in so many ways. But then you look at how you'd sum it up too. As they don't go back to, but I'm still going to trust you. And I think that's something that's really important. And for me, you know, so much was made about like teaboying and prayer and that was really weird and hard for me too. - Why is that? - When it's weird that something that's really important is also just a meme, some people do it to support you and some people do it because it's about prayer. - You had one of the first social media memes ever. - With teaboying. - I mean, and I still have so many people to this day all over the world in all countries. I would be like, hey, I want to show you this picture of my kids teaboying. And I'm like, you know, it's just, I'm like, yeah. I don't know. - You thought it was reductive? - No, I don't know is, I don't even know how to process it. Part of me says, man, I'm grateful prayers being talked about. Like, I think that's a good thing. It's awesome. - Absolutely. - You know, but then man, you just don't want it to be about me. - Oh, that's interesting. So you battle, you battle with this idea that people are, now defying might be the wrong word, but they're like placing you on a pedestal when the whole point of you doing it is to put Jesus on the pedestal. - Well, yes, it is. A couple of thoughts to that. One, it wasn't something that I started in college or the NFL. I've done it. I think every game since my sophomore year at the festival. - Yeah, yeah. - And it's not a dance move that you're putting on. - But it was also something that I needed to do. Because I needed, because I know that what my pride and perclivities can lead me to. And so I would try to find that quiet space starting my sophomore year in high school and just give it to the Lord. Win or lose. Guy, let me trust you. Let me love you more than this thing. - Can I ask what that means? What your pride and perclivities will lead you to? - Yeah, just that I wouldn't make it that when I was mentioning before, what's on the top, what's on the throne? Like, 'cause if you ask me, I could give you the right answer. But if you cut me open, you could really see what's on the throne of your heart. - Yeah. - Is it what you say? - Oh, dude, that's great. - Many days it just wasn't. - And that's just trying to be very honest with you. - So you go, score a touchdown and like the knee jerk primal instinctual reaction might be to like have this crazy celebration, there might be like arrogance and pride. And so to remind yourself not to do that, to fall victim to whatever those instincts are, you're doing this T-boy thing and then it's memified. - Well, I think that's also where the media picks it up and it gets back to here where people think I did it as a touchdown celebration. I don't think I ever did it one time as a touchdown celebration. - No, again, I only did it pregame and postgame. - Oh, yeah. - I'm not even saying like, I thought it was just that's where we get to report it. - Yeah. - I think it was during my game when he kinks or whatever he'd be on the knee and then people like, - Oh, I would do that too. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But half the time you're just taking a knee as you're tired. - Yeah. - Well, that's interesting. So it never happened after like a touchdown celebration. - I don't think so. - No. - Maybe after the game ended at the end of a game and then we end to end the game as a touchdown maybe, but it wasn't like a celebration. - Yeah, I never saw it. - It's not a celebration. - I understand what you're saying. - Yeah, I think you communicated well. - All right, guys, this is it. - I would love to get your perspective. We kind of touched on it a little bit earlier, but like right now with the internet, they're essentially a thousand different realities, right? Like we talked about this sort of like there, there's a thousand different versions of you, there's a thousand different versions of me. Whenever I meet somebody, I don't know which version of me they think I am. You know, like, do they think that I'm this guy like struggled to get pregnant with my wife and then you know, world of comedy thing about it? Do they think that I'm some guy who did some lunatic thing on a podcast, like who do I know? You've been going on with this from before the internet has turned into this behemoth. What, how have you dealt with the world where there's a thousand different versions of you? - It's a good question. - Did you feel the need to like correct them? Do you ignore it? - You know what I'm saying. - Good question. - Well, I wanna ask you how do you want people to actually see you but I can answer the question first if you want me to. - I can answer that. I think after having a kid, I cared a lot less about how the world sees me. I think before that I really kind of defined myself by like my work and that was like my identity and like as long as these things were going well and the way that people also put my identity and stuff far too often. - Yeah. - I have to battle it. I would say that probably one of the areas that I want to always correct is when people put me on a pedestal, one of the first things that I say is that I don't ever deserve to be on that pedestal. I always wanna try to take myself off and put Jesus on the pedestal because if people watch or look at me long enough, I will let them down. And is it a fear of letting them down? - Well, fear is part, but it's also, that's I am sometimes because of the media and the hype of certain things and whatever. It's just like, well you're this or this or this and you're praying and you're this and it's like, no, man, I'm a screw up. That is just, I'm a screw up that gets some fun. - I'm a screw up that gets some fun. - Like if you look at the so I give you an example when my freshman year at the University of Florida, for home games, we'd get on the bus and we'd drive to the stadium, our stadiums called the swamp and we'd get out about a hundred-ish yards away and we would walk down something called the Gator Walk and for average game, 10, 15,000, bigger game, 20, 25,000. Like it gets you ready to go. And first couple of times, those awesome. But then, man, when I started walking down it after first few weeks and stuff's going good and we're winning and playing and there'd be people that would be wearing my jersey and I'd have these thoughts and these voices in my head of, oh, you're somebody now. I'd have these voices of like pride and arrogance. And then I'd keep walking in there and be a mom or dad with their son or their daughter and they would say, I just want you to know you're a son's role model, you're a daughter's role model. And I wouldn't have confidence in it. I'd actually have shame. And I would just want to say, no, sir, no, man, not if you knew me on my worst day, I wouldn't be their role model. Not if you knew my worst thoughts, my worst actions, my worst deeds, I wouldn't be their role model. And then you keep going and there'd be always opposing fans that would be saying stuff and I would run and retaliate and I would be angry. That would be its own voices. And there would always be near the end. Even though there's not supposed to be media, right? There's somehow always media and you always see it. They're walking right in front of you. The camera's literally right in front of your face. And they're asking some, you know, grandiose question, you know, and it would start to hit me this fear of, you are not enough. And I thought, man, I can't do this every week. Because I think all of those things are true. You're not enough for their perception of you or you're not enough to handle all of it. This is the fear of you are not enough. And so then I started, I thought, man, I can't listen to all these voices. And so I started putting it back in the day you had that old iPod thing, you know, you have to circle thing with the headphones and I would hug on my teammates and I'll be the last one to walk through and I'll put my headphones on. And I would listen to a song by casting crowns, very casting crowns, and they had a song called The Voice of Truth and I try to remember lyrics, but I don't say the voice of truth tells me a different story. The voice of truth says, do not be afraid. The voice of truth says, this is for my glory out of all the voices calling out to me. I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth. And for me, the voice of truth is God, God's Word, and God's promises that, yes, I am a sinner, but I'm saved by grace. I'm no longer defined by my scars. I'm defined by his and I'm more than a conqueror through him who loved me. And yes, I have fallen short, but Jesus didn't fall short on my behalf. And so I get to hold on to his promises because although those things are true that I have thoughts of arrogance in all of these areas I fall short, that's no longer my identity is in those things. That's no longer how I'm defined as not how God sees me. And so I get to hold on to those promises and remember the voice of truth. And then I get to meditate on the voice of truth. And so that's a long way of answering your question, but of trying to go back to God's Word and His love for us. And remember, the greatest love story, rescue mission of all time is the life of Jesus. And what He did for us on our behalf, and to remember that, and be focused and filled with that. And yes, that makes me want to take myself off of any pedestal and put him on it. Because he's the only one that deserves it. What's interesting is that I think we feel it's on a much smaller scale, but I think we're quick to be like, not on put us on a pedestal because we are, we're going to fall off. We're not perfect. But what's interesting, I think, is when I'm hearing you say it, I'm like, nobody expects it to be perfect. They just think the way you live even as a flawed person is worth admiring. Well, I appreciate that. And I do think that there's an expectation for perfection sometimes. I think sometimes both are right, but I also think it's, that's not Christianity, though. This is, I think it's so important, because it's just not shared enough, I mean, what I paint the picture, so many times we talk about Christianity, like it's a museum for good people, and it's not. It is a hospital for the broken. Period. This is, it is not this place where, hey, you're pretty good. So you're welcome. That's not Christianity. Like Christianity is that we suck Jesus didn't, and his blood counts for us, that you're broken. He's the healer. We're lost. He found us. And so that's a big heart of why it's like, no, man, I will let you down. He will never let you down, he is the ultimate redeemer and healer and reconciler. And I want to point to him because I know my worst days, my worst thoughts, my worst actions. And I know I will let people down, but if I point him to him, he will never let them down. So while I'm listening to you talk about this, and your reluctance to, I don't want to say like, build yourself up, but sometimes, you know, in a competitive moment, I mean, I've never competed on anything at your level. But there's this. Except in Pedal. Just Pedal. No more. Can you decide it close? I'll be the, the Patriots. You're going to call me the Patriots every time we play Pedal. Do you like deflate the paddlesome? Yeah. He got it. He's good. Okay. So I, you, this like, there's, there's, there's something happened as you're speaking and, and you're basically, I don't want to say like deflating your own ego. Maybe you would say that that's a fair thing, but sometimes in order to achieve great things, people believe that you need to almost fill yourself up with these lies to cover the doubt that you might feel. What lie? Not lies, but like, I'm not, I'm unstoppable. I can do this. I'm going to go out there. We're going to be victorious because you have these voices in your head. Not you. One has these voices in your head. Like, what if we don't do it? What if we lose? And it's like, you're basically trying to build yourself up because there's a million different voices to tell you why you're not good. Yeah. I totally, I think I get that, but that's where I was going back to that song of the voice of truth and remembering, okay, this isn't how I'm defined. I don't have to live in this sin, shame and guilt, but I get to remember I'm more than a conqueror through him who loved me and he has placed me here for this moment. He has placed me here and I can have confidence in where he's placed me and I don't have to live in that sin, shame and doubt, although it wants to fight to create back in, but I get to live in a confidence because when we go back to hope, I believe that the best biblical definition for hope is to look forward with confidence, expectation and anticipation, right? We get to do that. Yes. This is why I'm very happy that you said the word confidence specifically because I think a lot of times for people, maybe people weren't raising a church or haven't been, you know, aren't like, you know, devout Christians, right? There is this version where maybe some of us are seeing you, what we would say maybe like harp on the things that are quote unquote wrong about you or like sins, right? And what we don't realize is that you can accept those things about yourself because Jesus has already died for them. When you don't add that other component, there's a hyper fixation and all the bad things that you do consistently. And I think to somebody on the outside, they might go like, how could you have confidence if you're constantly tearing yourself down with all these bad things? But true belief that somebody else bears the consequence or I've already bear the consequences for those things, man, what a way off your shoulders like to be able to confront the things that you struggle with every single day knowing that you're forgiven for them. And that you're trying to pursue life where you're you're not afraid of that you're you're not lying to yourself constantly, yeah, you're not chained, you're not shackled by them, but you're still walking this journey out trying to grow and improve day by day. And you take steps back and then you try to take a few more forward and you grow again, knowing that salvation doesn't come from our works, it comes from his finished work, but that in a way to try to grow closer to him, love people, love well, you try to improve every day. Yeah, there is a I'm trying to like make some sort of a relation to people who don't believe, but maybe who have gone through therapy and they've and they've they've started to confront these things that they have just kind of ignored or put some or kept somewhere and they found that their life is better being able to confront them than when they just kind of compartmentalized and like they were always there pulling at them, but they didn't really. It's like meeting these things is incredibly valuable for self growth. And yeah, hearing you talk about it without the component of somebody else has already handled this for me. So I'm not afraid to confront them. I think that's massive. We're guys coming to you in the locker room that maybe had no relationship with Christ that we're saying like, Hey, what was that first? What was that thing you were saying before? Like, what did that look like? Sometimes, but I think sometimes the picture is painted that it's, you know, one or the other when it's really most of the time, a bunch of people from different backgrounds, different face, different communities that come from that loved one another. And we just have a lot of conversations about a lot of stuff. A lot of these guys probably grew up in the church too. A lot did, but then you had people from all sorts just working figuring out, talking about it. Hey, you know, and you talk about like hard things, like there's a lot of hard questions to answer. Like what was what was difficult? Oh, I just, it's for everyone. Like, Hey, man, there's there's so much suffering in the world. Like how can it good God like so much suffering happen? That's not to you. Yeah. I mean, for sure. That's one of the first. It is the first thing that I would say is our God is not far from the suffering. Our God is makes it very clear that he is near to the broken hearted. When we look at Isaiah 61, you look at Matthew 2540, one of my favorite verses. So whatever you've done to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you have done unto me, like in commanding us to care and love those that have been treated as less and insignificant viewed, dehumanized, put in tough situations. Like that's our God is near to it. But our God isn't just near to it in that sense. He's near to it and that he took on the flesh and took on flesh and lived a perfect life, but chose the diet that we deserve to die. And he took on the sin of all of humanity upon himself so that he would be the ransom for many. Scripture says he was the ransom. He took that on himself. Like our God is not far from the hurting, that far from the broken hearted. He is near. And when Scripture tells us that our God is near to the broken hearted, then it's been one of the most convicting things to me. If he's near to the broken hearted, then I should be too. And I should be to it's a big part of why we do it we do I feel called to do it Do you feel like guys on the team would have like shame around you that they saw you living a specific lifestyle Then maybe they weren't and they'd be like oh Timmy's here. We got to put that away. Don't do that I hope not. I don't I don't think I don't think many times now because I think they're I think what surpasses that is love And that we weren't viewing each other for the good or the bad But we were just viewing each other, but that's my teammate. That's my brother. I love him And I want to serve him and we man we have been Battling together and we have a common dream and vision and we were really close There's a lot of stories that gets told about our teams the one that's probably the most Founded true very rarely gets told that we've totally had each other's back And it people because it doesn't sensationalize even Aaron of course It's so hard for me to talk about it for a lot of reasons one because we just loved him very much. Yeah Yeah Getting emotional talking about I don't want to put you in uncomfortable place Not that I don't mean I feel but I know it's family. You know, it's tough. We obviously loved him very much. Yeah Did you have a relationship with him outside of football? Yeah, he's in like in the professionals as well Yeah, I mean we I was in sign with the Patriots not long before a lot of that went down. Yeah And it's just as you know hard what he went through and I mean, I think there's a Probably a way that I feel really yeah, like you could have done something should have like but also you got to understand your responsibility Do you think that is you carry that sometimes? Yeah, but I think that You know when people ask there's a reason that I don't say anything because why would I talk about it when it's still so much of His family has been heard and gone through this and it's easy for people to just talk and make shows and highlight and also not always share all of the sides of it Yeah, I don't share the other sides of him. They don't share how hard certain things were for him They don't share the you know, it just doesn't take a full picture like you know, he Had to go through a whole lot, but he was also someone that a lot of times was trying and You know, he's a young man that Did it emotional for six months in a row with with me a lot of times in coach Meyer a lot of times use you know Just the whole picture should be painted. I just think it's not they don't you know There's a one of the stories that they tell is you know me and him or add a restaurant and they Frame it as a bar, which is it is a bar, but it's also a restaurant I think it's maybe Sunday evening or Monday evening. It's a bar. Yes, it's and it's I can't remember what time it's always claimed. It's late at night. It's like eight o'clock or something and He Long story made short he gets into an author. Well, I can't even say that because it's not fair to him What certain people were saying to him was so horrifically evil That we're trying to to leave and what people are saying to him is so mean and Racists in dehumanizing to him and I'm standing in between a few people and they just know This is the football players. They're they're just trying to go at him and more so than me and It's I also feel like that was wrong. No, you should say that to me You know and he was so patient over and over and over and over again They're saying this and their finger poking him and you're a super disrespectful. Yeah, and We get downstairs and we get almost all the way out and Did I keep saying and saying I'm saying we're good. You got it come and keep going Don't don't listen, you know and man. It was just kept going and they kept poking him saying all these things and they turned any busted the guy's eardrum and I stood there. I had some people take him to another place from be safe. A weighted cops came talk to all the cops Told him everything that happened, but that story is painted like oh no this guy just look at the trouble He's looking for trouble and it's like I'm not I'm not defending how I'm not defending his actions I'm just saying when you paint the picture Like you you have a lot of compassion. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing But people do it's just obviously there's some horrible things that he did of course I'm not defending that whatsoever. Yeah, I'm just saying if you're talking about him Would you at least try to paint accurately? He's like a three-dimensional version of a human being This is what we're talking earlier and I wonder if like well, I'm curious where you think your compassion comes from because I think now especially it's very brave to show compassion to people who aren't like internet perfect It's like very easy like when somebody's like perfect on the internet It's like yeah, they're a good guy But when people like aren't perceived to be a good guy and still look at them as human beings I think that takes bravery now because there's always going to be scrutiny attached to that A person I think that we should be treating everybody like human beings especially the people that we disagree with and a lot of times There's this monthly content that exists on the internet that is Shouldn't be a choice. Yes, everyone. Where does the compassion come from I probably say the start of it for me was when I was 15 years old and I was in the jungles of the Philippines And uh in a very remote island Philippines has made up of over 7,000 islands many of them very remote And uh in a very remote island and I met a boy who was born with his feet on backwards And because of that his village treated him as less than insignificant and cursed and he was a throwaway to them And they treated him as equal to the trash And I just fell in love with that boy And I knew that he wasn't a throwaway to God, but I also knew that God was picking my heart saying yeah But what do you kind of do about it? It's not enough to feel something. What are you going to do? and um And that was really the start of what I believed the first time I felt called this something and um And I went through college in the first thing I did when I graduated because it's before NIL Right you couldn't have a foundation in college. You were a trillion there One of the first things I did was start the foundation with the mission statement Just thinking about that boy and all the boys and girls around the world that are suffering like he is With the mission statement to bring faith open love to those needing a brighter day And their darkest hour of need to sum it up. It's a fight for people. I can't fight for themselves and that was um Very impactful for me and there's four or five other stories that um Really wrecked my my heart in the best way possible. So it's 15 years old. Yeah severe emotional reaction to seeing the way that this kid is being treated. Yeah, and you feel compelled to do something about it. Yes At this point in time like would you say your faith is as strong as it is now was it You're still trying to understand it like where are you in your journey? Yeah, good question Definitely definitely a but definitely a believer but also you know figuring out figuring out what does that mean? What does that mean for my life? What does that mean for actions? What does that mean to feel called to something And I couldn't have necessarily articulated in the same way then I remember coming home and I uh writing the testimony of this and Like I don't even know how to describe what just happened Like do you talk to your parents about it? I talked to my parents and um, I still have that testimony that I wrote because I wrote out the story of when I got back and That boy has been a big inspiration for a lot of stuff. Is he still involved in your life? Do you know? I've never seen him again. Get out of here I'm sure Mo jungle. Yeah, how do you get in touch with him? I'm just this is way before all of the internet and everything but wow wow wow So if he if he's you know godway still rounds Like does he know the impact that he's had in your life like this is now we have a hospital in the Philippines Yeah, it takes in all the boys and girls like him and we operate and they get we old in and they walk out And that's one of my favorite things we get to do That's amazing man. We got to find this kid. There's got to be a way Hi guys show you know there's other stories that led you into other fights But then where my what else? What else? I'm really curious about these like I'd say where my life really got impact and and one of our biggest fights is the fight against one of the worst Devils in the world and that's a fight against human trafficking and child exploitation and that started not Not long after I I graduated college and my dad who's the pastor missionary was in a country where faith is and allowed And he's in an underground pastors conference in a country. I can't tell you. Oh wow And I's from gathered pastors from all over so the underground location early Christianity So they don't get arrested and they go back to their village and and love on their communities And so they're in an underground location And my dad's with these pastors and there are other people in center ground location and then some men enter with four little girls and they start an auction for these four little girls. And one of the reasons why my dad's just one of my biggest heroes and role models. He's just not someone that can look away. It's just, it's not in him. And so he takes out all the money in his wallet, which was about $1,250 for the rest of the trip and to get home. And he's able to purchase the freedom of these four girls. Wow. And after he, after that, he calls me and I'm like, Hey, dad, how's the trip going? You know, what are you up to? And you know, I'm not ready for their response. He's like, I bought three girls for four. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, what? I just couldn't help but say, what did all the pastors do? Because these are people that are called and commanded to love serve, right? And he said, I don't know if you want to hear, like, what do you mean? What did they do? And he said, nothing. And I said, why? He said, because they had really good excuses. Like, you know, the man that you just gave that money to, they're probably going to do something evil with it, which is probably true. But go say that to those four girls. And it's so easy. I was so convicted by this so many times, because it's so easy for us to find ways to make really good excuses. Like, Oh, no, I'm going to do it one day. Hey, one day, I'm going to, oh, day, I'm going to serve one day, I'm going to be part of something. One day, I'm going to make a difference. And we live a one day life. And we miss so much of the impact that we could have made, because we just focus on us now. And maybe other people later. And so after I had this conversation, not long with my dad, not long after I got to fly to this location, and by that point, we had already gotten to start caring for more kids. And the first little girl that I met that ran up to me, was a little girl that didn't make enough money one day. And her mom being in a place of desperation and frustration took her and boiled out her eye. Oh, God, because she thought, if you can't make enough money this way, then maybe if I make you look worse, maybe they'll give you more. And and I just, well, trying to figure out. What do you say? To boy or girl? About what love looks like? About what trust looks like? About what a heavenly father looks like? When their thought of love is just the first person that raped them, they have no idea about trust. When their idea of a father is the person that sold them, what do you say? And I still don't know that I have any form of a good answer, except I know our heart is just be consistent. Show up again, and again, and again, for every one of these lives that we are called to serve. And that was a big catalyst for me to get into the fight against human trafficking and child exploitation. And and even worse than that forms of child sacrifice. And just a lot of even. Do you think that Americans are aware of how prevalent this is now? Can you like it's really difficult to hear you describe these things, but can you maybe paint a picture to? Yeah, it's hard. I'm grateful that you even want to ask to talk about it. I just think it's really important. We hear about it in like a movie or something. No, it's like an abstract concept. So to give you. Yeah, it's a little bit of a context for it. We'll get to that in just a second. But so there are more people that many experts believe that are in slavery now than ever before, 50 plus million people that are in slavery. The slavery business is about $236 billion dollar a year business. Jesus. That's more than all the NFL teams combined with a lot left leftover. And it is one of the worst evils in the world. And it is happening all around the world at a massive scale, but it's also happening right here in the US. And right now, this year, somewhere between 300,000 to a million people will be trafficked in the US. And so many of those will be minors in trafficking is a horrible, horrible evil, but also something that's really important to highlight is that the exploitation of the traffic. No, the exploitation. So a lot of people bunch them together, but they're a little bit different trafficking is primarily done for profit exploitation is primarily done for pleasure. So exploitation is is done on the mostly most of the time on the internet. And there'll be like peer-to-peer networks that someone download a peer-to-peer network. And they will share childhood videos and there'll be part of groups that goes back and forth. And we just think this is happening, you know, over there somewhere. But I pulled something just for you guys, can y'all pull that up? You see that? Those red dots, this is New York State. That every red dot is a unique IP address that is downloading and sharing child images and videos. And that's just the last 30 days in the state of New York. And is the FBI arresting these people? Well, do you see the blue dots? Those are the ones that are being investigated. So just investigation? The blue dots are the ones that are being investigated. But if you have a confirmed IP address that's sharing this type of content. So it's a good, it's a good conversation. But and a lot of people will say, well, how were they not doing more? Our law enforcement can areas get better of course, but our law enforcement is so under manned. It's it does not have many places does not have the best tech. They're under man. There is a few people that are their job is this. It is not a lot like we have, you know, we want to talk about all these things. And they can't, you know, and defund them. Listen, when you defund them, you're not actually caring for these boys and girls. I think we need to escalate how many hires we have, especially in victim identification to keep these boys and girls safe. It's one of our bills in Congress. Is the renewed hope act is so that we would hire more victim identification specialists to be able to identify these boys and girls so that we can knock on that door and go safeguard that child. I think that this is not unanimously supported. Or even spoken about like it seems like speaking a lot about it. Of course, you guys have, but like, why is it not amplified? Yeah. I think it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Well, we wrote our bill specifically in a way for writer left, because for us, it's not about politics. It's about people, especially people that are suffering. And this is trafficking, except this is just trafficking down the hall. The number one offender in this biological fathers. No way. Yes. Do you think people aren't doing more about this because we feel, oh, this is a problem over there. I think that is a big part of it. Yes. I feel like we think it's just over there. And over there meaning overseas overseas. We think it's taken Liam Neeson. We think it's all the other things when it's not. We have so much issues that are so many issues that are taking place right here in our country. And I could keep going off list. We're the number one buyer of for boys and girls around the world. America is meaning like videos of this. Yes. We we pay further of boys and girls in the Philippines, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Thailand, like we're the number one buyer in peer to peer sharing of of this information, we're third worst in the world. China, Russia, US and Italy's fourth. Like this is one of the worst evils in the world. And people think we're not doing that. Yes, we do really think that I know we do. Yeah. And that's that's one of the, you know, our hearts is to get this, you know, message out to be able to make change in and then support the our law enforcement and task forces that are working on this because there are some freaking heroes that are fighting us every single day, but they do not they do not have as good of technology. Most of the time as those with the goal to do evil, they just don't. And they're also do you know how hard it is for these law enforcement officers when you wake up every day and you watch a video of an in this 18 year, 18 month old, a nine month old, when you watch, and that's one of the number one burnout rates for law enforcement is when you do that. And I think I think it's something around three years for them. But you take a year to be trained up. And now you're, you're burnout. Now you got to bring someone else on. And it's like, how do we have the who want to do that? I mean, as much as you want to stop it, like somebody has, I guess, watching verified, this is where AI can honestly be helpful. But we're working on a lot of AI and there's a lot of amazing AI. And there's, there's great AI. There's AI that we're investing in and trying to build up to give the law enforcement. There's facial recognition. There's pattern recognition. There's RFID. There's so many things that there's a lot of people trying to fight back against it. It's just they don't have the, the, it doesn't have the same awareness. People aren't talking about it. Like in my opinion, this is one of the worst evils in our country. And it's something that people don't want to talk about, but trying to process the disconnect because it's like, people do care about this issue. They do. We won't drop the acting thing because we think that's the only child sex ring going on. And so where we won't stop. Yes, talking about that word. But if people knew of who's this wise. spread of a problem, I think we would actually do something about it. So how do we, like, think that, yeah, there is a, there is a huge, just as part of it. And so what ways can people actually combat this? Obviously, you mentioned the bill, but what are the other things people can do? Well, I think first of all, being aware, keeping your kids protected, knowing when they're on a device, one law enforcement officer told me, this is how you need to think about it, when your kids get on the internet, you need to think about it like this, like you took them to a playground, you dropped them off and walking around that playground or hundreds and hundreds of pedophiles or groomers that want to hurt your child, that's how you should think about the internet. So would you not let your kid have a smartphone until they're. I don't know. I don't know. We don't just treat us three and a half months old. We don't just raise a big head decision. But that's on my wife. Yeah, but we are making, we are in the process. I mean, there's so many, there's one of our friends is making a device that is for phones. It's already out now called harm block and it does not allow pornography on your phone. You say, well, is that going to really help? Well, this is one of the big issues is if, is if it does not allow pornography on my phone, then I also can't get sex-storted. So that's another big problem, slightly different than this. But there are so many people in other countries in Nigeria alone in 2024, met it took down I believe, 74,000 accounts that we're trying to set sex-stored American boys and girls. Can you explain? Yes, they, they will act like they're a pretty young girl and they will try to get a photo of you and you send them a photo and then they extort you. And then they extort you and then send this is, this is also leading to a lot of young kids' deaths. Yeah, because they're so embarrassed that they're so embarrassed. Yeah. And so it, it, it fights against that. It also alerts the parents if your kids are getting groomed because what happens if your kid gets kidnapped? Everybody's looking for them, right? Right? Here, you have all the NYPD looking for your kid. What happens if your kid runs away? How many people are looking for them? Not many. Not many. There, you have a couple officers that will look, but not many. And so those with the goal to do evil, strategize and work together many times better than those with the goal to do good. And so why would they kidnap a kid when they knew, hey, I can become friends with them, I can be on their gaming, I can be on their sites, I can befriend them, I can find the vulnerabilities and then I can just lure them out. And then when they're lured out, gone. Then missing, you know, and especially we, we look at the children that are being trafficked, I believe the last, one of the last statistics I saw were 61% of them comes from the foster care system. Yeah. So they look for kids with vulnerability, right? They look for kids that are trying to find a home. I want to be accepted. I want to be loved. I want to place them along. And I believe all of that is in us. We want to belong, of course. We want to be a part of something. And so in these, I know we're getting around a lot of areas, but the reality is there's a lot of people with a goal to do evil. And if we don't fight back and there's not an army against them. And I mean, an army of people that in every phase that in technology and law enforcement in politics and awareness and media and people with loud voices and people that are protecting in technologies that aren't just investigating them, but keeping kids say, it's a battle front on all of these areas. When you have a business that is that big, when you have the goal to do evil that is that strong. Like I tell you, one, one offender said to a good friend of mine who's been fighting us for a long time. He said, he's interviewing. He said, how did you, how did you pick your victim? Specific. How did you pick this victim? And he said, he was it by skin color. It was by hair. It was by size. No, no, no, no, no. And he's like, your answer, no to everything. How did you pick your victim? He said, I watched and I watched and I watched to find the happiest kid. Because I wanted to find the happiest kid so I could steal her soul. Whoa. How do you deal in process this? Like you're hearing tragic stories probably daily. Like, I'm sure it becomes like a burden on you. Like how are you dealing with it? Don't you believe in capital punishment for some of these guys, man? I believe that there is a, there's a big difference and people say, shouldn't you have grace for them sometimes? Yes, behind bars where they can never touch another kid or child forever. If that's their crime, that deserves it. Yes. That is haunting. Yeah. And by the way, I should say this, I should say this. Just about this. Every, every one of these fenders that are downloading and sharing this 55 to 85 per cent are hands-on offenders and your average offender has 13 victims in their lifetime. So every time you take one off the street, you're protecting multiple kids. Just take them out. Just take them out. Well, yeah, how do you do with this? How do you do? This is a good question, Alex. I would say that that we have gotten to see a lot of evil in this world. And there are a lot of people with a goal to do evil. And I do believe that there is evil, but I also believe that there is good. And there's a God who's good. And I feel like there is a battle every single day. But what I also get to see is not just the evil, but it's what happens when light and darkness meet. Light wins every time. And I would, let me see if I can, I'm supposed to have favorites. But one of, you see, we're both up. I can't share this to the screen. But that's what's happening around the world. Oh, wow. What is this? These are like abducted kids. No, they murdered. Oh, oh, Tim. But like, I still, I don't know, I don't understand. How does not give you like PTSD, extreme depression? Similar to the top. Let me add on to that. Like outside of your faith. Do you have therapists? Do you have like support system? Yeah. A wife and our team. They're amazing. And we do have a lot of people that speak into us and they're amazing. And sometimes you just need to go and share. But I'll share this because I think it gives a little bit of an example to how it helps coping. We're not supposed to have favorites. This young girl, you want to mine. She had to go through that evil for seven years. And in the middle of her evil, she had to fight. She wrote this every night when she would come home. She would have to do terrible things with her siblings, visitors, online, all sorts of horrible things. And can barely see it. She wrote this, "My dark mask was worn at night. While at school, I would put my pretend smile mask over my dark soul trying to survive another day until I ultimately lost myself. I let the darkness fill me and I wanted to die. I wrote a poem from the words that ran through my mind and heart over and over every night. Rescue me. Help me. Monsters are chasing me. Can't you see? Monsters are whispering. Can't you hear? Monsters are shouting. You're nothing. Can't you feel my pain? Monsters are pushing. End it all. Just jump. Can't you hear all the wise I'm asking? Monsters are laughing. You're all alone in this. Can someone please rescue me?" And when she wrote that, I knew that she was talking to me. And you get to see what the evil someone has gone through at the hands of people that just don't value other people. Or they value their pleasure or profit more than they value the dignity and honor and worth of another person. But if you look at her life now, she's thriving. Because she was in a place where she got care and she got loved and it was wrapped around and she could finally gain trust in people and humanity again in place of belonging. And now she's in Bible college and she's figuring out either if she wants to go be a lawyer or go be in ministry, both to be able to help boys and girls that were in her position. And I would say that's how I cope with it. As you get to see someone that is in that situation, but it's amazing what can happen when you truly love in an honorable way and protect in an honorable way and value and create a place of belonging. What happens to these lives? They can thrive again and their life can be different. They have experience something that I mean that's why so many of them were just my heroes, but they can find that hope in a new beginning, in a new joy, in a new song in their heart, and that's what I hold on to more than anything else. Do you feel like your journey through everything from college to NFL to now this work? Do you feel like it was leading to this specific project? Did you feel it in the moment where you like, oh, there is something greater that's beyond this? I don't know, maybe I think that from being 15 to all the way you knew that it's not just about a game, but what does that look like? How does that actually, you know, what's that look like in the practical? But through some of the stories I shared and a few more, it was just every time I had the biggest heartbreak and fulfillment at the same time, it was caring for those that were suffering. My heart was broken for it, and in caring there was the most fulfillment, more so than they're ever in a game or championship or award or praise anything, there was just no comparison. And I felt like it was just a reminder from God, this is what I want you to do. That's where you're supposed to be. Have there been more challenges in this work since becoming a father yourself, or has it strengthened that call? It's hard to say because how can people get to a place where you can take one of the youngest girls that we've been fortunate to care for, it got rescued at 25 days old. And our dollar is just a little bit older than that. And I don't know how to answer except I think it's only made the resolve stronger that there's nothing our little girl can do right now like she has to be protected by those that were put in a place to care for her and protect her and love her. And we cannot let individuals that want to take the vulnerable and take advantage of them. We cannot let that happen as a society. When you don't care for your vulnerable, it is absolutely the decline of a society. We go back to Nazi Germany. What did they do before the Holocaust? They had the T-4 Euthanasian program where they called life unworthy of life for those that had special needs or disabilities and they poisoned them and put in the gas chambers and killed over 275,000 because they viewed them as life unworthy of life called a mercy killings. Euthanasia just means good death, right? So a society that doesn't value the marginalized or the vulnerable is a society on decline. And you know, when early Christianity, there were some people that would say that's the religion of women, of slaves, of children because in so many of those societies, there were the ones that were viewed as less than. And all of a sudden, here comes Christianity that's like, no, they ain't less than, not to our God. They're not less than. There's nobody that is less than. Everyone is made in God's image. And they're worthy of love. And they're valuable to him. So they should be valuable to us. And I think that's something our society, whether you believe or not, you should believe that every life has value, not just when they do something that is valuable for you or to you. And that's where we're at right now, is when someone does something that we don't hold as valuable, we devalue them. And that's a slippery slope. Because we're not talking about value, we're talking about utility. That's right. Yeah. If you don't have utility for somebody, then are you useless now? You still value. You're so human being. But it's very easy to humanize those that do not serve a purpose for us. Or we disagree with which is honestly enough for most. You know, it's like, okay, we have different opinions on this. Oh, you're not actually human. But it's, it's where the like versus respect would come back. I agree. Man, what if we really respect it? Do you think we probably all have the same opinions and a lot of things? I know. But we can respect one another. And I can choose to love you. You can choose to respect and love me. We can have good dialogue and honest conversation. We can work and we can strive to like figure out where somebody else is coming from because we can value one another. Right. But in the places that happen around the world, where you see that not happening is where you see genocide. It's where you see chaos. It's where you see crisis. And I think for for our society, that would be just one of my heart says that we would fight to try to get to a place, protect the vulnerable, but value all like man, I disagree with you. Pam Hannah, I still believe that you're so valuable. I got them in a treat you that way. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if then I hate to harp on the internet aspect of it. But like I wonder if losing the humanity in the people that we disagree with is so much easier when you're only fed the things that you disagree with or hate the most. And you don't actually see them. You don't see them at all. This is the Charlie thing. Like when I saw, when I saw it happen with Charlie and it was like, I saw like these, there were these different versions of him that existed, depending on who was consuming him. And I'm not like saying that you shouldn't disagree with him or that has nothing to do with it. What I'm saying is that if you're only seeing the things that you disagree with or hate the most and you're not seeing like this other image where like you see him being a father and maybe you admire that and you admire the way he takes care of his family, you might it might be the same way you look at like your grandpa or something where you said you go like listen, we got some views that we've really disagree on here, but I love the way treats my grandma, I love the way treats me like once you have a little bit of admiration for something, they become just like three-dimensional human being. But when we don't have the opportunity to see that because we're just force fed information that feeds our biases on our phone, of course it's easy to dehumanize somebody that you view as your opposition. Yes. So maybe we have to do that, take that extra step, which is what kind of you were saying earlier. It's like yeah, you have these moments where you want to get caught up in your ego and then you tell yourself not to, you take this moment where you're checking yourself, maybe we got to start doing that a little bit more like when I think I have an idea of some politician, I think I have an idea of some like talking head on the internet because I know I have a bunch that are completely formed by the algorithm, maybe I have to check myself a little bit and be like I don't even really know that person. I'm only seeing them talking 30-second spurts, I don't know who they are to their friends, I don't know who they are to their family. Yeah, maybe I have to like check my opinions on the people that I disagree with the most. The people I agree with, I probably already view as humans, right? Because I'm like, oh, you're like me, it's very easy to go. Yeah. But yeah, maybe we got to start doing that. The people that we disagree with the most, we got to start finding some humanity. Yes. Oh, that's tough though. But we got to do it. Well, it thinks the toughest thing about it. I think it's to what we were saying earlier, it's like I think sometimes people are concerned that if they show compassion to somebody who like the world might not view as someone who deserves compassion, I don't believe that that's fair. But they would feel like by doing it, they'd be going out on a limb and they could be scrutinized for how dare you care about that guy that has these opinions. And suddenly you're not worthy of compassion. Yeah, it's like I, it was one of the things I hear the most about the Charlie thing, like there were people who were seemingly like celebrating it. And I was like, I don't know, I can't get behind the celebration of the murder of somebody's political opposition. I can't get behind it. You can still disagree with everything in person said. That's fine. But you got to draw line the salvation of it. If we get to that place, then we're really saying in our actions, your worth is only equal to your opinion. Yeah. That's what you're saying. Yeah. It's scary place to be because what if all of a sudden, I say the wrong thing one day, my worth gone, but where do you draw, where do you draw the line? Most importantly, like what's the point of being able to have an opinion? We're like the one place on the planet where you can actually have a free opinion. And I'm not speaking hyperbolicly when I say that, like you go try to have an opinion on Facebook and England, you might get arrested for it. So we have this beautiful thing that we have fought to maintain for centuries. And we can't let it all go away because we've decided to dehumanize those that we disagree with. I think there's also a component like, and again, I'm not suggesting, you know, every society needs to be like theocratic, but like as cultures have gotten less religious and regardless of the religion, whether it's in a mom you have or a priest or a pastor or whatever, I wonder if we now need our public figures to be more moral. Yeah. Like they have to pass this purity test. Like we need the people to reflect like this divine morality because we've kind of lost in other parts of society. Like if I'm not going to church, I don't have a connection with God or don't have a connection with the pastor even. I need this musician that I really like to have like this perfect sort of moral standard. I think everyone's going to fall short of that. Yeah, exactly. Where do you define that moral standard? Right. And who do we allow to say what is moral and what's not? Yeah, exactly. - Exactly, it's kind of, you just have to reflect my morality, which once someone deviates from that in any direction, then it's like, oh, they're canceled, they're off. - Yeah, my politics. - Yeah. - And then you force people to kind of cover it up and create like this image of themselves. And then eventually that leaks. - And then can you work that out like if there was more of a religious influence on society, how that would change the way that we viewed these famous figures? - I don't know, I think if people had more relationship with any type of sort of like, you know, international faith, like outside of like holds and things like that, but just any type of relationship with a monotheistic God or God in general, then I wonder if they go like, okay, I can recognize the brokenness in humanity, but I don't need all of the people that I admire to be perfect because I have a connection with perfection. And I don't mean like, I wonder if there's like a sense where it's like, okay, this person's broken, just like I'm broken, but I'm not deifying them because I already have this deity I have God. - Or maybe it's a connectivity to your own brokenness and maybe with a lack of religiosity, we're almost like gas letting ourselves, we're like trying to pretend that we're not broken. We've compartmentalized these broken parts 'cause we're afraid to acknowledge it. And then when we see it in others, it's a reminder of like who we are. So we have to tear down these other figures, we're essentially projecting our own insecurities. - And again, I'm not saying every person needs to be religious, but just that I think that social, like almost looking at it sociologically, like as society's lose religion, I wonder if they just do that sort of instinctually? - Yeah, yeah, it's, they're unaware of the action, but it does track, yeah, there is something about like not being afraid of your flaws, there's incredible value in that, embracing your flaws. And then when you embrace your own flaws, it's very hard to judge others for the same flaws that they have. And you ignore your flaws, it becomes easy to judge. Right or not, I don't have anything. You had a way to cope with your flaws to judge other people. - Yeah, and I mean, you've been able to handle that. Yeah, you've been able to handle that, especially with Christianity. I've heard a lot of like Christians talk about that, which is like this, this like a purity test that they think sometimes people aren't passing, like within the faith. And it's like, and people go in specifically, none of us are pure. Why are we imposing this purity test on each other when the whole point is that we're not pure? We're gonna try. - Yeah, the first pass of my head is four by grace. You have been saved through faith. It is not of your works, it is a gift of God, so no one should boast. We have been saved through faith. That is a gift of God. It is not of ourselves, so you can't boast. But if we do boast, we boast on ham. - Ham, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Not on us. And I think that would be the heart of what we should get back to. Like, man, if we look at what God has done in Scripture, and I know not everybody might believe Scripture, but if you just look at it, look at all of the people that God has used. - Most were super flaw. But I think there is a picture that God's painting to say, like, do you know who I didn't show up for? - The perfect, the one that thinks they never did anything. That's why I used the example earlier, if it's a hospital for the broken, right? And I think it also pairs to James for eight, maybe not, but that God is a post to the here. God is a post to the proud but gives grace to the humble, right? And why is that match with this? Because you have to humble yourself to realize that you're broken, so you need a healer, you need a savior. Right, I think all of those things drive with what this conversation is. If I realize I'm broken and I fall in short, I think that's what someone else it has. I'm not going to say, look at how you fall in short. I'm going to say, hey, you want to be on this journey together as we just try to work to improve and find the healing. And I think all of that would drive in that conversation. - That's really interesting, the importance of humility. If you have no humility, how can you access your savior? - And I think one of the things that's really important is how we define humility. I've heard a lot of different ways of my life being defined, but one of the interesting ways how modern psychologists define humility is taking an accurate view of oneself. And if we took an accurate view of ourselves, and we thought, man, you know, I might have some, okay, guys, but man, I have some bad thoughts, that's some bad actions. I have fallen short in all of these ways. Then I see somebody else that has done that. Well, I'm going to be so much quicker to mercy and compassion and kindness than I am if I don't actually have an accurate view of myself. And I'm like, you know what? I'm okay, I'm all right at this thing, you know? Like, you're not going to have the same level of compassion and kindness for them. You know what's interesting is when I was grown up, I had a lot of, I'm not good enough and I didn't want to deal with that. So I would focus on all these negative things, but instead of dealing with that, I'd say, well, this guy sucks too, he's XYZ. And then I was like, hey, there's only one perfect person ever, that was God. I'm not that, no one else is, I got flaws, they got flaws. It's okay, we all got flaws, it's not a big deal. So I was like, the opposite side of the same coin almost, where like, yeah, the humility was, I'm not nearly as bad as I think I am. And that's okay. And that person is not perfect either. And that's how he exists. - But I think one of the important things that we have to fight with at two is we have to fight comparison. 'Cause the other thing we're talking about right now is comparison. - People joy. - Well, I'm not that, yes, it's exactly right. It is the thief of joy, yeah. Because I really believe that you cannot have a mindset of comparison and a heart of gratitude at the same time. I don't believe that they coexist. You can go back and forth. Because if I'm really comparison, and by the way, I saw one stat that said 12% of our daily thoughts are spent in some form of comparison. - I would imagine that. - Like look at all of the social media, what it leads us to. - Yeah, I would imagine more than 12% of it, yeah. - Maybe that's true, then it's even more, right? But if we're spending our time comparing ourselves, I wish I looked like her, I acted like him. I had this job, I got this, I did that. I just don't believe you can be grateful at the same time. And if you're not going to be grateful, then there's no way that you can be content. And it's going to steal your joy. It is exactly right. And when we're in a society that is so quick to compare, but so slow to be grateful. And that would be something else I think plays into the same point. - Is it hard for you to be proud of yourself? Oh, that's a great question. - That's a great question. - How would you even define it? - I mean, you can define it however you'd like, but there is, you've spoken a lot about how imperfect you are. And I wonder if you are hesitant to compliment yourself or be proud of the things that you're doing right. And if you can give yourself some, that's a good question. - Or do you hand that all off to God? Is anything good in you, Jesus and anything bad in you? And then what is your relationship with yourself? - If you're a certain extent, yeah, that's a good question. - It's a really good, just thinking, I don't want to give you a stage dancer. I want to give a honest answer. I think that it's just, I can be grateful for some of the things that I get to be a part of. Like, man, they're so meaningful. But I'm also afraid, I guess maybe I'm the best word, but I can use it for now. I'm afraid to think that I was too much a part of that 'cause it's just not about me. And I know the slippery slope, how far it can go. - 'Cause then you start thinking that you're the one responsible for all these things. So, when you and your team were able to achieve greatness, for example, was that easier to feel good about because it was something that you guys did together? - Yeah, but I still get that with the teams and our partners around the world and law enforcement and all the people we get to work with. - With a golf. - You shoot a grade 18. Can you sit there and be like, man, I played really well today. - Yes, I can do that, God. - I've been practicing and I'm so much less meaningful. - Yeah, I think I can do that. - So you can be proud of the things that aren't that important. - Was it hardly proud of your Heisman? - Ooh, knowing that you're getting this accolade for something that is hard to use for. - It's regarded as probably the greatest college football player ever by many. - I think that my heart with it was, and I don't say this as a way to try to be humble. I say this as a reality is every person that's won the Heisman is won it because they've had crazy amount of support of a lot of great players around us. And I was terrified of not mentioning all my teammates from the speech, you know. But at the same time, I think sometimes maybe I did it too much and could it just like celebrate it and be like, enjoy it more, you know? It's not too late. But you know, I actually didn't think I was going to win my first year. I thought I would win my second year because, you know, I lost that one. I still think it's the only thing. I knew I was going to lose my third year there. Who did you think would win the first year? - Darren McFadden. 'Cause he just had a stupid good game against LSU. And I was like, he just ran for like 250 or some stupid number. And he was a monster. And, but the second year we had just beat number one team in the country last game. And I thought we might. And I think it's still maybe the only time, if I have it right, the only time the person with the most first place votes didn't win. - Wow. Well, it's good trivia. We're at the most first place votes. I did. Oh, you didn't win the second second. The third year, you lost Markingham on it. I was at fourth. So you were the most first place votes, but there were enough. When you vote for it, you put down first, second, third. Ranked choice. So whenever. Yeah. And so I just wasn't. I was left off a lot of ballots. A second, third. Oh. Just left off entirely. I go. We're just not as highly voted on it, but yeah. That was you won the national championship, right? Anybody look into that? Was there like some kind of, oh, it's not conspiracy theory. No. No, it's good. It's fine. Okay. No, it doesn't seem like it. Honestly, I felt like it was probably the best thing for our team. Oh, B is done. The focus was on the team. Yeah, you should have seen the text that I got that night. What are they saying? We got you. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's caught up. I can't say. I love it. I love it. Like, it inspired you guys, it's just everybody wanted to give it that much more. Yeah. And then our, we were playing against the Heisman winner in the national championship. Yeah. Great, crazy, talented, great player and our defense plate out of their mind because they want to let you know. No, I didn't want to let you just, it's the whole team played great. It wasn't for me. It was together. Oklahoma. Oh, was it a. What's the name? Sam Bradford. Sam Bradford. Yeah. So talented. Great player. I'm curious. Now, are you able to look and kind of laugh at the butt fumble? Yeah, I think I did you laugh then or were you kind of like broke? No, because we were losing. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, it was funny. People were like, was it like playing for the jets and I'm like, I don't know. I didn't play for him. I just stood there for him. So this is actually easy. I don't know if this is what is a football, but you did, you got no second, third place vote for the Heisman NFL. I felt like you want to play off game. You're, I think it was your first year starting. Yeah. And then LA comes in. He wants manning. Whatever. Do you feel like there's a? A good choice for him. No. Well, pretty dang good. Good choice. Well, they did one. The Super Bowl. Yeah. And I think Payton Manning is one of the all time greats. But the kind of one of him is a bus driver a little bit, which I feel you could have done. Do you just in general feel like maybe? Thank you. Yeah, which do you feel like you're, yeah, I think everybody. Do you feel like there's a level of disrespect that you've gotten for maybe leading with your faith or whatever that people are like, eh, because to get no second and third place votes and get all the first place votes seems to me there might be a bias. I don't know. I think that my style of play was a little bit, it was unorthodox. It was unorthodox. And I feel like now it's a probably a better time for that. But you were saying that. Yeah. A little ahead of your time. Like the jump pass and all that was just like back then. Oh, it was awesome. It was the best. I think it's ever gotten stopped. I mean, I just love it when you have all these people and it's sort of happened by accident. Like we urban ran a similar play at Utah and I think it was against BYU and they showed me the film and they say, but the guy just took one step up and step back and tossed it like that. And I think it was Utah and it worked. And so he's like, hey, we'll do something like this, but let's practice it against our defense on Tuesday. And our defense is probably best in the country in my freshman year. They're just a joke. And we're on Tuesday and we, it's like fake, a cubic power. Run down, put my head up, come up, tie it in, wide open. And you know, the coaches are all like, this is good. That looks pretty good. I think we like that. Yeah. So we're playing LSU who's got one of the best teams in the country, crazy, he's back and forth game and to the first half and I got, we're going to do the jump pass. And but he's like, you can't come down with him because we're going to get tackled. I'll run out of time. We don't have time out. It's left all of that. So I get the snap. I run up there. I see them all draw in, but our tied in take Casey's getting held at the line of scrims. He can't get off. So I jump and you could see me and it's almost like, I don't even know what I'm doing. It's like I, it's like, I don't want, I'm afraid of double dribbling or something. I'm like, double clutching. You finally, I just lofted it in the air because I don't know when he's going to get off. And he gets off and he catches it. And that was the start of that. And yeah, actually, we ran in so many different ways. And I think I think we were 100% on it in college and it actually was the game winning play in the national championship two years later against Oklahoma as well, jump pass on the national championship as well. Okay. I know you got to get out of here. We're going to let him. I first would like love if you could just tell us and I want to include like in the description stuff here, ways where we could help with the charity work that you're doing. Wow. I appreciate that. So, to the Tim Tewah Foundation dot org and check it out and that's the sex trafficking one. Oh, yeah. Well, it's all of it. All right. The fight against trafficking exploitation, the fight for those with special needs, the orphan care, the supporting foster families and foster care, special needs care for hospitals. So we're fortunate to have 46 safe homes and 24 more in progress and a bunch of orphanages, special needs, campuses and then the task forces and the operations and then the long term restoration. So it's just our hearts. Well, we wake up and do every day. So we're grateful. That's amazing. Thank you, man. It's awesome. Dude, we really appreciate you coming and hanging out. It's our pleasure. Thanks for having me. It's a really fun conversation. Thank you. This was awesome. And you do an amazing work. And thank you, brother. Yeah, man. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.