Tim Dugger's Long Road to the Grand Ole Opry

And I got up there and I'm playing this show. I look over to the stage and this guy's like, "Come here." And I walk over, he's like, "Hey, the cops are here." And he wants you to announce that people need, girls need to put their tops back on. (laughing) These girls are on top, like, guys, shoulders, don't got to topless and I walk over to the cop and I was like, "What?" Now he's like, "Man, you can't, we can't. " - That was like the buffalo shit. - He's like, "We can't be doing that up here." I said, "Woo, I have the band stop, I'll give you the mic, you can make the announcement." And then we'll go about the plan. He's like, "Hey, I ain't doing that." And I go, "Well, I ain't doing it." I go, "That'd be the most un-American thing I could ever do." I said, "So if you ain't doing it, I ain't doing it." I guess the thing ain't getting done. And we just kept going. (laughing) And I didn't get asked back to walking to Glenn for like three or four years. - The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. (laughing) (upbeat music) - Dirty Mo. - Dirty Mo. - Dirty Mo. - It's time for the Daly Junior Download. (upbeat music) - Hey everybody, it's Daly Junior back again for another episode of the Daly Junior Download, the guest segment here on Wednesday. And we've got a great show for you today. But first off, I want to welcome you to the Arby Studio. Arby's has their new meet in three bucks. You get more meal for your money at Arby's. We have the meets and we've got a great guest. Tim Dugger is coming into the studio. Tim is a great friend of mine. He's a country music artist, Liz and Nashville. He's worked his ass off as long as I've known him at least I don't know, 15 years or so. He's been grinding away, creating content, creating music, creating this catalog, trying to break through and become this star. And it's been a lot of fun to kind of watch that struggle and challenge and I've been supporting him for many, many years. He plays a lot of NASCAR races but he tours as well, goes all over the country, playing music. And he's played the Grand Ole Opry now a total of seven times. That's wild because I remember it just seemed like yesterday he played his first time there and that was such an emotional experience for him because it's kind of a dream for every artist to get that opportunity. And he's been asked to come back six times now. So pretty cool for Tim. He's got a lot of new music coming out soon. A new single that I love. What you like I do is out now on iTunes and all those places where you find your music. But Tim is a hilarious guy. He is the best drinking buddy that you could have. His wife Tara is amazing. Me, Amy and Tim and Tara, we talk every day. We are the closest of friends. So this means a lot for me to bring him in here and let you guys get to know him just a little bit better. So thank you for listening. And let's get to him in the room and get started. So let's get the guests from the show and get started. We got you a combie. We're doing this. I mean, we're going to top for an hour. We're going to have a drink. Tim Dugger on the Dell Junior Download. Yeah, glad to be here. Take that microphone wherever you want. I watch this on TV. So it's cool to be here. You do. You watch you and Tara, your beautiful wife. Watch y'all support what we do. Oh, yeah. And I feel like when it's you and Amy, that's as close to you and Amy as it gets, like we do. And I feel like when we watch it, we're like, oh, we're catching up. Then when we see each other, we kind of know what's going on. Yeah, yeah. Now I can see that. Well, we have a lot of fun doing bless your heart. And it's actually brought us closer together. But man, I've wanted to get you here and talk to you. And want you to share kind of your story. I find it really fascinating. I've known some guys that play music and sang and met some different people over the years. And I think you know, when you're growing up as a kid, fan of different bands, you're all, you see these people on TV and you see them in magazines and you hear about their lives and the drama and all the things going on and the rock and roll lifestyle and all that. And I think every kid at some point, like dreams of being a rock star. Even sons of race car drivers, you know, being a rock star, I think especially I think for young males is like, oh, shit, that would be bad ass, right? Yeah, I think it's the attention. Yeah, it is. Kind of use animation if I could get, yeah. Yeah, notoriety because with it and just people thinking you're bad ass, right? Just singing your songs. And so I guess that's always kind of had me curious is to what that lifestyle is like or what those experiences like. And as I've gotten older, I've learned that it isn't all roses and the people that do it, that do it really really well. I'm like, god dang man, this is a grind. Yeah. Or man, I can't wait till this tours over. I can't wait till I'm ready to go home. I miss this or I want to just be, I just want to lay around, you know? And so it's pretty interesting because I, you know, I've got these, there's bands that I love and I've loved for years. And you're like, when they go make another record? They haven't spent a couple of years. Make me a f***er, you know? I want some more music. Yeah, and if you know if it was up to me, like I would record, I record a lot of demos. I would drop songs every month. I think you have to. But when you get record labels involved and everything, like I don't have any control over that, right? I have to ask permission to do everything and budgets have to be approved. The songs have to be approved. And it might be one that I'm like, I love this song. And they're like, man, we don't like that one. And we like this one over here. So it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's frustrating. It's part of the deal and it's a job. Yeah. But the grind, I think, for me, I've not been on these, you know, long tours where you're, you know, playing four nights back in the day, like, of my late teens, early 20s and we were doing like college bar circuits. And so we would play 10 to 2s, like we'd start at 10 o'clock, 2 to 30, no breaks. I'd never leave the stage at all. I'd usually want to sing every song. Or we'd play like, you know, the floor band and play seven nights straight, 10 to 2. And you feel like a rock star then. I mean, empty pizza boxes and liquor and, and, and, you know, wild times. But, and then, and then you get where, like, when I had vocal cord surgery two years ago, like, you start getting, well, I need to not be hooping and hollering at the bar after a show and yelling and kind of slows you down a little bit. And you get older, it's still a grind. But for me, I never like looking at, I was always a country music guy. I was, it's what I was raised on. It was always classic country music. So there wasn't, you didn't hear that rock star life. It was really more about the stories of the song that made me fall in love with country music. And I was, I mean, I was a little kid going, man, I sure, sure feel, what, I'd be cool to get my heart broke like that. Man, that sounds like it's painful. And I don't know why, like, I'm like, I think I did too. I mean, you know, you hear a song and you're like, damn, you know, that's a lot ever experienced. Yeah, right. Well, we were talking about it before the show the other day, about heart, heartbreak. And I was like, I remember getting my heart broke. And I put on Alan Jackson's gone crazy. And I laid in bed and I told my dad, I was like, I'm done. Like, I'm dying. He's like, nah, you ain't done. I remember, I remember, I was boyfriend and girlfriend holding hands with this little girl back when I was like 12 years old. And she lived on the block where my memo lived. And my dad's race shop, he worked out of the race shop that was Ralph's in Canapolis. This little girl and she had a twin sister. And it was kind of the first crush I had. And if she hears this, she'll remember, I met him. I saw them or I saw him years later. And we all kind of had a laugh, but I had this big crush on her. And you know, we we walk the block every time I'd come into town and we go up to Derrick Queen, get ice cream and do all that silly stuff, holding hands and giggling for like, I don't know. It seemed like a couple months. It might have been two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. But one day she wrote me a note that she didn't want to hang out with me no more. And I wrote home at the end of the night or day, me and dad are riding home. I begged to go to the shop with him, not just because this little girl had to crush home, but I wanted to go with dad and be around dad. I didn't want to be at home. And so we're riding home in the truck and he's like, man, what's wrong? And I just fell out. I was like, man, that girl, she don't want to be, I mean, you liked her, man. She don't want to hang out me no more. I don't understand. You know? Yeah. And he was like, oh crap. Here we go. You had to give me this talk. My next door neighbor. They had a trampoline. We didn't. And so we would, there was a barbed wire fence that separated our property. And we would climb through that barbed wire fence. And we were always allowed to go jump on the trampoline with her. And I would sing swinging to her. John Anderson swinging. Yeah. Oh, I was singing all the time. And it's funny because we were, we were, if I got things, I traded for things or whatever, like I, my earphones for my little tape player was like an old hearing aid. I only had one. So that's how it listened to music. So, but I would sing to her. And, uh, and jump right. And anyway, my sister like called me kiss her. And I was like five or six. She's like, oh my god. I'm gonna tell mom and dad you're doing it. And if they catch you doing it, you're gonna get a whooping. And like for 10 years, she's like held it over my head. I thought I was really doing it. Like whatever it was, me and her was doing it. But yeah, she would hold things over my head. But that was my, that was my first like, oh, yeah. She's pretty. I like that. So you, um, you are, you live in Nashville. You've been with curb for a while. You're, you're making, you're writing songs, you're singing songs, you travel, you play music, you're, you're in the music business. When, um, how does that process, how do you, how do you explain to somebody how you, I know you were born in Alabama. Yep. Rough childhood. Yeah, it was, you know, well, do you relate to this? The older you get and you become, uh, an adult is when you see things through a whole different way. Yeah. You're like, you understand some of it. But then you're like, well, that's a little messed up. Oh, yeah. Why the hell did you do that? Yeah. You know, how'd you move away from me? Yeah. Right. You know, like, why would you leave? Yeah. I've done that with my mom. My thing was, like, wait a minute. You know, I know you moved and we still went and saw you up in Virginia. But why, how the hell did you move? Now I'm a dad and I'm like, I couldn't move to another state for my kids, right? I'm like, explain that one. But my parents were, when I was younger, my parents were pretty rowdy, um, hellraisers party motorcycles. It was, um, you kids go, like, to this part of the house and there'd be other kids with us that their parents brought them over. And don't matter what you hear, you don't come out of this ring. If, if, if we come in here to get you, that's cool. But y'all don't open that door. Yeah. And hell, you'd come in there and there's somebody didn't shot all in the, in the ceiling, man, they partied hard. And then about when I was like, and I was probably third grade, my dad got real sick. Um, he had, um, liver, his liver just went bad, which is, um, he was an old truck driver. Much, uh, I, I call him, they call him, like Chang Gang type tattoos, homemade tattoos and, um, and just the pills and, and the stuff he do is a truck driver to stay awake and party and, uh, and drive and, um, so his liver went bad. So when his liver went bad, um, he didn't work. And when you don't work, I mean, I was talking to some folks and things you don't kind of, when you're a kid, you're just like, damn, this is, you don't put it together till you kind of get older. But we were like, Hey, you got it. You know, we had to grow up pretty fast. Uh, I remember like we went and got groceries from the church, like pulled up whatever they put in the back. That's what we ate. Uh, and I mean, Christmas came in trash bags because we didn't, I mean, he couldn't work at all. He was down to like 90 pounds and, and out of his mind and, um, really about to die. And he ended up getting a liver transplant and lived, uh, for a long time. So those, those were days years I didn't have with him. Um, and after he kind of got close, uh, to death and, and, and survived that, and I got a little older. We, we really connected. And, um, you know, he was always, he wore long shirts that want people see his tattoos that want to talk about the, the rowdy days and oh yeah, and never, never drank another drop. No shit. He didn't, and he was one of those beer in his hand all the time. Right. And his brothers, um, I think there was five or six of them. I mean, they were all rough. I mean, they were take care of business. I don't care how much trouble they get into. And, um, so yeah, when I, when I met around certain parts of Tennessee were there for all my, I don't throw that last name around much because I don't know how many people probably still remember how, how much hell they raised. Yeah. So you're, when do you pick up an instrument? When do you start thinking about playing music? Why did you? How did that begin? Well, my, there was always music around. Nobody in my family was musical, but with my dad being a truck driver, um, he had all these cassette tapes. And I mean, trash bags full of cassettes. And I, for some reason, just got to listen to him. And it was, I mean, stuff from Ray Stevens to Red Sovine, a lot of trucking songs. And he'd get, um, every time you bought so much old, they gave you like a free cassette. So a lot of them was like, you could hear the promotion on that you put the cassette in and it'd be like, show Rootello, keep on the truckers. And that'd be Ricky Skags or some reason I just fell in love with it. And of course, 90s country music was on the radio. Um, and I, my first cassette, my grandma bought me was a lot about living a little about love, Alan Jackson. And I did not even know the song. He was just sitting on a Harley. And I was like, this cowboy is sitting on a Harley. I want this cassette took at home. And, and, um, in my kindergarten, your book, I said, I wanted to live in Nashville and sing at the Grand O'oppery. And then my eighth grade year book, I said the same thing. So I just, for some reason, when did you pick up a guitar? I wish I'd have picked it up earlier. I didn't start playing guitar to us like 11 or 12. Um, I sang in church up to, I was about 13 or 14. And we would sing at all kind of churches. I mean, I've seen more wild stuff. And church than I have in any bars. I mean, we've been in churches, we're, I mean, speaking in tongues, that's nothing. I mean, we, we've, I mean, I've been in churches where they have snakes and all kind of stuff. Um, but we would play. I mean, we had this old, uh, you know, who's we? You traveling in my sister. We were the followers of Christ. That was your name? Oh, yeah. Holy **** four, three piece suit. And, uh, we sang with these little tracks. Oh, yeah. We sang with these tracks. And, uh, and it was, it was, I loved it. I still love like Southern, Southern gospel music. Who took you around to do that? Your parents? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Uh, my grandma at first, because when I first got into it, my parents didn't go to church. They're like, we ain't going to church. No matter if you're singing or not, how did you get into it without your parents? My grandma would take me to take you in that. I'd go to church with her and they put like, yeah. But you know, what's funny about her? She was, I mean, not as tall as that Arby sign, yeah. And, and mean as hell, like away from it, when she wanted to be like, she'd whip your ass in the parking lot and then walk in church. God bless y'all. How y'all doing? Like it was, or she paint you in the middle of church and be like, be still. Uh, but I love doing it. Um, and then, but my heart was always on country music. So my sister's seven years older than me. She kind of went down her own path, um, and, and got, got involved with some stuff. And, um, so we didn't sing together anymore. And that's when I was like, hey, I'm going to do country music. So I'd start playing. You said that to yourself. Yeah. And I, I started playing went to like picking houses. There was a place called what is the picking house? Like just a bunch of old guys sitting around. Like when we went to, um, what's that place? Luca Bach. Pretty much like that. Yes. That with no booze. Cause where I, uh, my county, I'm from no booze. Yeah. But in Luca Bach, there's a, there's a building and there's guys in their playing. Yeah. Just walk in and sit down and there's dudes just fricking playing music. And you just sit there, grab a beer, drink, listen. Yeah. That's what it was. And people would bring like food and, and they do it every Tuesday night. Uh, and then that's how you learned how to play that. And my parents would drop me off at a music store. It was called granddaddy's music. When they open, I was there. And when they close, they pick me up because I would sit in there and there'd be so many people coming in out that played. And I might be playing with some guys that play bluegrass one man. You just kind of backing up. Yeah. I'm just sitting there learning. I need three chords. And I just got better doing that. Um, I took maybe three or four lessons. And then I was like, All right. Well, just this was, it was free to go down a couple lessons. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, it's like I tried to pick up the guitar and try to learn how to play it. And it feels impossible like trying to figure out how to get your fingers to do everything they need to do. Yeah. I mean, it's a little painful. I feel like if I had to try to learn now, like it's even harder to learn things now. Um, it would be probably difficult. But I was, man, I was hungry. Yeah. I was like, I would play to like my hands hurt. Yeah. Yeah. And like these old, these old guys, they'd give you good advice and then bad advice. Like what? If you're going to make it natural, you need to go out there and rub your hands on a tree boy. I had to get those calluses really going. I'd go out there and do it. Yeah, I mean, just stupid stuff. And everybody was, you know, the goal was Nashville. And there was a guy in that area. And there's a lot of country music in the area where I'm from. Vern Gosdons from the same county I'm from. Alan Jackson's from like 30 minutes away. So the first time I ever put a country band together, my parents helped me. We played in a, yeah. So you put a band together? Oh, yeah. All right. So how do you, what do you do? You've got a buddy at school and you're like, hey, man, you played bass. What the fuck? He did that. I tried to put a band together that was my age. And we played on the back porch and we played in our barn. Was it like in, uh, is it like in slingblade? It was bad. It was, I mean, I was bad. And they were bad too. I was like, I need some guys in conflict. Who's the guy? Don't. Yeah. Don't sound like the grand old opera compared to what we were doing. I mean, it was bad. Uh, and I'm like, man, it's going to be hard enough to play a bar with me singing at 15, 16 years old. Much less a band of 15, 16 year olds ain't going to let in the door. So we just kind of word a mouth, put a band together and it was, hey, well, my parents would be like, we'll give you $100 a person to play with him and we'd play for free. Um, or we'd go, hey, we'll play for the door and we'd do like a $5 cover charge. And I'd be singing to nobody because nobody wanted to go in there and hear me. Um, and we, that just kind of how it started going. And about a year, year two into it. I had a different band and I always play with older musicians. Um, today, I, today, my band, um, mostly is a couple of years older than me. Um, still players, um, a little bit younger. But yeah, I just, um, I've always kind of clicked with, with kind of people that's a little older than me anyway. But I mean, my band was damn 30, 40 years older than me back then. But we got kind of going and, I mean, we'd start packing the clubs and, um, it was, it was. Were you playing all 90s music just covers? I mean, it was like Merle Haggard, uh, well, you didn't have your own, you didn't have an original. No, I didn't have a original song until I was like 16. How did you, did you write that at 16 or 15 or was this something you hadn't, you know, you, did you write when you were 10, 11, 12. I wrote a, I wrote a song called the guitar by blues because I bought a girl a guitar. And she broke up with me. Of course she did. Right, right after it. And I financed. I bought a girl an outfit for a job interview and then she'd dump me. Really? Did she get the job? I don't have no clue. I got her a nice outfit. I'd got her fired. I mean, she's stillin' from y'all. But I, uh, yeah, I bought this guitar. I played this place called Ten Shop. And it's a four way stop, uh, in Randolph County, Alabama. It's a little store and they rented DVDs and like, so gasoline. And, uh, I think I made like 50, 75 bucks. Uh, and my girlfriend was with me and I'm like, hey, there was, there was a guy. Granddaddy's music had his little trailer up selling guitars. And I'm like, I want to buy you a guitar. Is she on over there? Yeah. She's like, well, you teach me. I'm a baby. I'll teach you. Uh, hell, I need somebody to teach me then. Uh, but I went over there and I worked out a deal. I was like, hey, I'll pay you like $50 a week. And I, I didn't have any more shows. So that I had to go get a job washing dishes at Gidney's restaurant and Rhona. Hey, I'll just guitar. Pay all this guitar and she broke up with me. And I, I never asked for the guitar back. And so hope she sees it knows how much hard work went into that $200 guitar. What's the first thing that you remember happening where you thought you had a, you had a slim chance like because so I'll compare it to racing. When you get in a car and you drive a little bit, um, you'll have some good moments. Say I'm racing, say I'm racing late models at my little beach or something like that. And I'm like, you know, there's some hot, there's some moments where you have a good night or whatever. But you don't, you're not sitting there going, that's the stuff. You feel like, oh, I can compete a little bit here. That's, that's, that's, if I do that, I'm, I'm going, I'm, I'm, I'm going all the way. Um, I think when I finally, I went my, my old damn kind of like, I could, I could actually make this happen. Is probably like a race at Michigan where I ran in top 10 in a, in a, in a bush race in 97. Um, that was, that was like, so compare that to the moment in your life when you're like, you, you had this original song and you recognized that somebody had connected to it. I, that, that's the, that's the best part about music is, I mean, even over, over this past weekend when we were playing, um, it's to see people singing a song that just was on an EP from six years ago. Yeah. Um, but I guess my first, I, I became a big fish and a little pond around the bars, uh, where I was playing at when I first started out. What, where, where was this, uh, in Bama? Yeah, no, so there was no, I mean, in Alabama, or, yeah, we was right across the Georgia line. So it was Lagrange, Georgia, and then in Georgia, West Point, uh, a little bar. You live down there? Yeah. So, so we'd play it probably like four or five different bars and, and worked them every month. Did you finish high school? I did. Um, barely. Did you take a technical college or anything? Out. You want to hear something funny? Uh, tearage, of course. I, uh, we had a trade school and, um, I was like, I got to get out of this high school. Because if you'd signed up for trade school, you could leave at noon and go over the school bus over this trade school. That's like five miles away. And then other schools went there. So there's like four schools a night. So you didn't see people you didn't see every day. And so I went over there and I signed up for forestry. And I'm in there and I'm like, what the fuck? Dude, I'm like, I don't forestry. Yeah. I'm like, I don't give a damn about none of this. Uh, so I'm in there for about two weeks. That's how you doing this. Uh, so I went to my guidance counselor who actually still comes out to shows. If I'm, uh, um, playing in the area and she came to my dad's funeral and she's always been supportive. And I was like, I was forestry. I didn't even know what this was. But this, this tree stuff ain't for me. Um, so I did, I did Cosmo. I was like, which is gonna have the most girls? I went to Cosmatology. I was only dude in there. And it was awesome. I mean, I, I, the little Perm machines. I know how to work those. Oh, it was great. And then a couple of my buddies found out I did it and they tried to get in the class. Oh, my God. And I went and ratted them out. I was like, oh, they're just trying to come in here for the girls. They don't really care about it. You can't let them in because I wanted the whole class to myself. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, but my, going back to the moment where I thought maybe I could do this, um, we'd take trips to Nashville. And man, we would stay in motels that were like $150 a week. It was bad. I mean, it sounds good. I mean, they were rough though. I mean, I had my own little kit, uh, were you for breezed and you wore flip flops on the shower and everything. But, um, had to bring you on toilet paper these month. One time we opened one of the rooms and the mattress is gone. And we went, and we went around to the front desk and we're like, hey, the mattress is gone. Um, out of this room and the guys, oh, sh*t, they've done it again. I guess they're still in the mattress. Oh, my gosh. But I, uh, you've been here. I saw you there. The wild horse saloon in Nashville. Now it's, it comes bar. Um, big ass bar. I mean, nice PA, big light show. They would do a singing competition. And you sing with a Nashville band, really bad ass band and you got to do three songs. Oh. Um, and my parents put, my parents put me in it and I won. And I was like, oh man. Wait, wait, wait, hold up. So you go to this bar and you're competing? Yeah. Against how many? Probably probably 12, 13 people. Holy sh*t. And, uh, how do you win? Crowd reaction? I don't know what it was. Um, I didn't think I had a, 'cause I had never won a singing contest. Have you been in singing? Have you been in singing contest before? Yeah. And, and my area. And you lost? Yeah. Well, it's fun. I finished second one. And then like three years later, I was judging that same competition. Oh sh*t. Which was great because I could say, hey, probably winning this thing isn't the best thing for you. Yeah. If I had a one, I'd have probably been like, oh, look at me. It was, it's, I've always kind of been. I felt like, and I'm nowhere near where I, I wish I was in my career. Um, it just seemed, you know, the old, um, Tracy Lawrence song every time I make my mark, somebody paints the wall. That's how my music career has been. I feel like we were like really getting going and, and COVID happened. I had some really great stuff happening. And, um, but I went back to the wild horse. I won that competition. And then I was like, oh, this is this and then my parents put me in so you get done singing and somebody comes up and says you're the winner No, they they come up on stage. We're gonna announce the one and they announce you. Yeah, did the crowd react. Oh, yeah, and what did you say? I mean, I didn't go there. No, but I mean like what did you think like? No, I was shocked. I was like, well, I thought it was a fluke. I was like, I'll never win another one these this isn't what did you say? Do you remember I sang don't rock the jukebox and I think chiseled in stone. Wow Yeah, chiseled in stone. That was my go-to man. That was I can see you singing don't rock the jukebox. Yeah, but chiseled in stone. Yeah I well, so then then they put me in like a different competition and it was at the national palace, which is kind of near Opera land and all that and if you won that contest. That sounds like a It sounds like a place out in the middle of the desert. This was this was old school Nashville with the Nashville palace band Randy sounds like he's working. What did they call that? It sounds like a little buddy, Rachel. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, but he ain't the happy endings there. We're just winning a contest But they would do it on Tuesday night. You'd enter the contest. You play with their band and If you won you got to front the band on Friday night. Yeah, so it was your show then you you know And I won that one and that's when I'm like, okay, I can do this go back to front the band Kick off with chiseled in stone who starts with a song like that, you know, yeah, kicks off a show. You start with that, huh? Swear to God, Vern gozzans at the bar. Know that comes up on stage. Let me show you how it's done. Oh damn and smoked it. I bet and Pretty much put me in there. I'll say what a little prick His song is easy now though. No, no, I'm the prick singing his song. No, Vern gozzans blast for me around here. He's one of the goats He's all my mouth rush more. Wait, now you're a prick for singing his song. I think that's kind of an adaboo. Pat on the back But not when he's there. Well, you didn't know he was there. I know, but still I'm like, I cringe that I did that but it was a great memory Uh, but I think one of those now anytime after that when you went into a bar and started to cover singing a cover Did you did you check the room now that was about the hey uh? Yeah, hope Alan Jackson ain't here. We're about to sing Chad Hootie or or just say Alan Jackson is gonna be here later Yeah, I said hang around his Alan here because I won't I won't do Chad a Hootie. That would be a great thing to do Well, hey before I do this one make sure he's not here Because that's a real prick move. Yeah, I don't want to be a prick again Uh, but yeah, that was uh When in those two contests because you were in Nashville. I mean, Nashville seemed um, you weren't living there yet I didn't move to Nashville and tool. I got a record deal offered to me. What year was this? 2012 all right, so how does the record deal get offered? so um You know the the NASCAR connection I grew up about 45 minutes from Talladega And when I would was not playing clubs or whatever the campground kind of year the interstate I would go over there and set up a little speaker and play acoustic Try to sell CDs give away CDs and I had some songs that was you were going to the NASCAR race Unannounced un-unconnected Didn't know a soul and race right setting your **** up and just playing. Yeah. Yeah, that's for yeah I uh didn't know anybody in racing didn't know anybody in music hardly um, but I an Alabama We don't have pro sports teams of course wait a minute. You don't have You don't have pro now that you got we got lots of college. So it's NASCAR and college football I mean Talladega is When it rolled around when I was a kid and still is it was a damn. It's badass. It was the deal. Oh, everybody Still is um and so I was like man, you know what it's I'm working. I'm playing all these clubs and I'm I'm packing them out, but I'm At on a good night. I'm playing for a hundred people a hundred fifty people If I go over here and playing this campground, I might can play for way more people than that. So I mean no Didn't didn't know anybody just did it to set up plug to speaker and start singing And it was actually after I don't know what year it was are you by yourself? Just me and a guitar I want to imagine it. Yeah, my my dad are you inside the track or free camping free camping hell hill Kind of that area. Yeah, uh, and that's that's where the party is The free camping outside Talladega is really where the ****. Oh, yeah, that's yeah They talk about the boulevard and inside the track. That's tame. That's organized Compared to what you see on the outside. I told you about my my uncles being rowdy. Well one of them went with me I did that for like three years um And one of them went and there was this lady uh Who would give you a jello shot if you showed her your privates. Wow. Yeah, that's kind of backwards. Yeah. Yeah, I know I mean she was in it for the you know, you know, usually it might be a guy going show me your boots. I know That's what I'm saying. Well, this lady's like I'm gonna know you want a shot. You're gonna show me but my uncle and did it She had a damn line of line of men And you showed your thing and she gives you a jello shot He did it and then he got back in line And the second time up she goes out and they just see it again She's like, I'll just give it to you Yeah, that's hilarious. That's that's the kind of fun in games that I'm over there at the free camping maybe don't go to the free camping I'm sure I mean she was an older like now. She probably not loud. Oh god. Uh, she's probably retired from that if Um, but I mean it was just uh, you know, it's um a culture shock too. I mean it gets rowdy over there and but I um I played played some of those races um For free and just on a soliciting just going out there setting up a speaker And I met a guy after one of the races. It was the race That you got wrecked you and Jimmy Johnson got wrecked some time. Oh god. Yeah terrible night terrible, and um, I'm at an Oxford at Alabama. This guy comes in with RCR stuff on And you know this about me. I don't say hey, I'm a singer I'm never push you like that Um, but a buddy mindset. Hey, Tim sings and he's written some songs that talk about NASCAR and stuff And he's like really you got a CD and Two weeks later, I was at the winery Haven't lunch with the reality. Yeah. Winery. Yeah. Have a lunch with him And uh, he called and got me booked at Atlanta and Talladega to play the infield show The band with a band and all uh, it was pretty much Mike Dylan And Tina and Austin they just kind of really um kind of started champion my music. Yeah Um, and we did a we ended up doing a music video north Wilkesborough Really crappy song looking back at it, but we did it and uh, and um I was playing the this snowballed in the started playing a couple races here and there and I was playing the fan zone in Daytona and this was like the years like Like GT vodka was doing yeah, uh, branding and stuff around uh, and I get done playing Mike Dylan calls me and it's like hey, my curb wants to meet you And I gave my curb a CD and I was like trying to pitch that hey, I've been in ash. Well, I've been in ash Well, I've been writing songs that this is actually not just Something I I think I want to do. This is something I'm doing Um, and then about two three weeks later, I get a call and he's like, Hey, would you come out and sing a couple songs? It's Ronald Reagan Centennial Um, will you come out to California and sing at his library when you play three songs? Um, so I went out there I don't have an offer of a deal or anything then Uh, and I'm I'm thinking this is my showcase. This is for me to kind of try to impress Um, so I go out and a five minutes before the event starts Uh, this guy comes up and goes, Hey, could you uh, could you kick us off with the national anthem? Holy shit Well, I got a free trip to California. This I'm f**king out. Yeah, this is gonna be if you're ever saying that I had but I mean it's I mean, it's not for me. Yeah, uh, and I'm standing there. I'm looking at the old Air Force one and it's very I mean, it's a bit it's it's as cool, but this is gonna suck like I mean that I'm like that Air Force one might fall off the jacks I mean, this is gonna be bad. Uh, so halfway through it. I'm like this. Oh, this is awful I get through the national anthem and I played three songs and I had a song at the time that I'd recorded called God for a day And it just talks about if you were God for a day what you do you you turn back time and old people wouldn't be old anymore And they you know, and Mike was there with his mom and it kind of Kind of kind of touched the right feels and um, he offered me a deal and I right there about a week or two later. What's the deal? let's get an offer to deal look like it was a phone call with him and the head of an R and hey we want to do this and that and and at that time though looking back I was real green like and I needed to develop more I was didn't I didn't know enough about the music business I thought once you got a record deal but you're you're in it but getting a record deal is pretty much like getting a really good arca or truck ride right you still ain't you ain't made it no but you think you are because that's the you think about that that's I gotta get there if I get there I've made it so what is the there what is the really I've made it well it's for for for a guy sitting here say I'm a guy that's like man I just need that record deal tell me what I really need well I've not I'm not made it yeah I know but you know enough no yeah so I would say um the biggest thing is is you want to connect with with people but are you do yeah but you is it a radio single you want a radio is what's that they say to today you know you get uh a rumblings of radio ain't what it used to be and I for streaming or whatever I feel like when you have a song on the radio it changes everything while these guys can tour arenas and stuff is because they get played on the radio yeah and they have hit songs on the radio um and the music business I still listen to the radio I and I like the radio when radios are not radio stations are not displaying the same 17 18 songs yeah I I got a station all this to down in Sacramento when I go down there but it's all like you know eighties I don't think radios dead at all and and there's people in Nashville that I think radio will always be popular in the same way that vinyl is popular yeah you know what people love the uh the nostalgia of turning on the radio and listening to a DJ yeah and the and the local mom and pops or just the commercials and I still remember from when I was a kid local local car dealership advertisement whatever but that is the goal uh that you want to reach is to have a a hit on radio so when we met you were just kind of beyond that moment you know we've it's crazy they're you were just beyond that right yeah there's so much kind of yeah yeah I would just kind of gotten there when we met um but there's so much politics in it too uh the music business now and they want you you need 15 seconds now and social media to catch somebody and I mean there's songs that are having success on tiktok and stuff that yeah the song hadn't even been written I know this clip is do it I know yeah there's this one guy that had this song and this literally uh just happened this guy this guy was writing a song I think he's an independent artist and the song is called mr. record label and he's promote he's like personally creating these reels or these instagram posts that are like 15 minute or seconds of this song and this song is really catchy and everybody's going and he keeps posting a new reel every other day of the same sort of segment of the song and it tons of people were like damn release this when you're gonna release this is great when you're gonna release it and he's like I'm soon soon soon soon and finally you know he finally does release it but it's like he inadvertently whether it truly took that long to get it done or not I'm sure it did but it built this sort of suspense and excitement and it was so grassroots yeah you know it was purely a one-man band you know of him sort of doing this by himself and then it went and got released it got thought millions of streams all in the last like three or four months and the thing is I mean and that happened literally from a 10 15 second clip of this song and it was a catchy too yeah you got it like it's the name of the game now you know I when we were when I first started out you posted on my space or you made a poster and put it on you know or put in the newspaper you're planning to show and try to promote yourself that way and now it's all social media and there's people that are really good at it I'm not one of them I'm not one that's I'm better you know I'd rather the traditional I'd rather play live than and sing to my phone or or talk to somebody in person then then then but that is kind of that's all me that I've not but I just I'm just from the old school way of wanting to just write songs sing songs and it's easy music acting all that stuff it is show business but it's easy to kind of fool people went to when you're just showing that this side of selfie on the camera and talking to it and I'm like I'd rather just kind of be me and be I've never been a trend follower or even musically like I try to to record songs that I feel like fit me and and suit me in right songs and but I think going about your question I think the goals that that I still have is getting played on radio and and getting on a tour because that's another thing I would tell somebody if you can get on a major tour yeah then you got this crowd that you're you're getting this artist's fans and you can make them yours and then and then radio is coming out to those shows yeah so you really can open that door and that just takes from people of champion you and I have I've had people a lot of people champion me but you just need as many as you can get and those doors to open yeah and the right time like you know it's no guarantees but um it's like you know it's similar to racing like you get a Xfinity ride with you or Gibbs or something yeah and you run good yeah door might open you run like she might not get a call again that's first impression yeah we met through Austin Dylan I had built a paintball course in the woods by my house we had we had old school buses we had all kinds of obstacles and big towers to climb up in all kinds of stuff we had a deer stand you could climb up into it's a long course and you had a you had a both teams had to start each in and kind of move to the center point and you fought in the middle and so it's really really fun it's a wonder we didn't get bit by snakes down in there but it uh I invited Austin and and his brother to come and he said hey man I'm going to bring a buddy of mine you mine and I'm like I don't give shit more of the barrier you know there's about 15 of us I think we and you come showed up and we played paintball for a couple of hours and then we ended up all going up to the basement drink beer and hang out um I don't remember much else yeah about the day yeah uh but I know that was we got he introduced me and you said hey man somebody to him plays country music and you showed up like showed up in boots yeah well I wasn't I you know was just no we were gonna what I was that day I was visiting him I know but he didn't say hey we're going to play paintball and you were like maybe I need to go to his cowboy boots oh I went to his closet and he's a lot smaller than I am I was like I was like I ain't gonna be able to fit this and I I don't want to just put on some basketball shorts and get my legs damn uh got it up yeah yeah um so that's what I had to play and then that's what I played in uh but Austin you know he's always uh he's always been one that would would try to like hey you gotta hear Tim's music oh yeah and um so I remember that and I think once the you know probably on or eight through ninth beer maybe uh the guitar came out yeah quite a couple songs right um and then we kind of mean you kept in touch I got in the madden league which was um showed me the different side of TJ the commissioner yeah yeah the the the uh the uh hierarchy TJ majors of how he runs his uh leagues and we kind of kept in touch through that email and just you know talking sh*tting and um I remember you inviting us to Key West yeah and I'd never been to Key West I I didn't even know where Key West was really no um well you were going down to my house and I was taking his me and Amy and we were going to invite a bunch of couples and I said Amy Tim seems like it'd be a lot of fun to hang out with I don't know Tara that well but we should invite them down and I don't know that Amy and Tara even knew you know and Tara was not into it she wasn't she's I y'all walked up to the front porch and almost turned around yeah she's like we're going all the way down there well I's got to the door of the house and set there and debated on whether to go in well I wasn't that I wasn't a seasoned beer drinker back then. - That blows my mind too. - Now, if I had to do that situation again, I'd just show up pretty buzzed. But then, I mean, we were, you know, just, I wasn't, I didn't know what's drinking beer was until that trip. I thought I knew what drinking beer was. I didn't know you just drank, 'til you can't drink no more, (laughs) and then you wake up and you just do it again. And then, what, but third day, we're going fishing, we're going on a boat. Now, we're going to do that again. Like, so. - What we did yesterday. - And the day before. - You know those bars are gonna start a little earlier today. - You know, all those bars you all went to yesterday. We're gonna do that same thing again. Don't worry, you're gonna see some fun stuff. Same bars, but I remember getting there and, well, she didn't wanna come. She's like, it's gonna be awkward. We didn't, awkward, we don't know all these people. And I said, if it's weird, we'll just leave in the middle of the night, we'll just pack up and leave. But we went down there and had a good time and probably hurt myself, drinking a little bit. And I remember I was like, man, the beer was getting so hard to drink, I was trying to chug them with a straw, like just to keep going, keep fighting through. - I don't remember that. - Oh yeah, it was, but it was a good time. - Was that the trip where you fell down the stairs on the way out or was that a later trip? - That was a later trip. - Okay, yeah, yeah, steep stairs. - But those stairs were not made. - They were luggage and cowboy beds. - Yeah, they were not. Well, I'm glad y'all didn't turn around and leave or sneak out in the middle of the night. But we end up spending, we end up spending, I don't know, the next decade going to Key West, at least annually, if not multiple times a year, and drinking and drinking. I wish I knew the number of beers I'd drink in that town. I bet it was shock me. - That's a lot. - It is. - That's back when you would get back and you'd stay up until five, six and a whole night. - I mean, it was good. - I wish I could still do that. - Dude, you would be like, nope, music up. - Yeah. - And just sit there by yourself. If everybody went to bed, you just stay. - Yeah. - You and I, Pat. - Well, that was normal. - It was not normal. - I said, that's what would happen. We would come, we'd go race somewhere. I'd fly out of the beach. I'd tell you, get you playing to get there. You and Tara would show up, me and Amy, maybe a couple of the folks. And we'd go out and drink all day and then we'd get home. And I'm like, all right, man, I've been saving up. - I know, yeah. - Let's really get at the end. - I'm at the end. - You're at the end. - I get back home, okay. - And that's time to go to bed. - And this is upstairs going to bed and I'm sitting there going, all right, man, I've been running half throttle. Now it's time to really go. We're at the house. Now let's really, you know, dive in. - And don't do shots because. - Don't do any shots. - And that would be real. - You're like, you know what a shot does. That you might as well just knock our off. If you're gonna take that shot. - Yeah, if you take a shot, you're going to bed an hour earlier. - Yeah. - And so yeah, we'd get home at, you know, midnight. - From drinking all day or going out to the bars and stuff. And then I would turn the damn stereo on 'cause I had the stereo in the kitchen tuned. It was a system. - Yeah. - And I had my, I had my iTunes curated and I was going to rock the (beep) out. And I'd turn on the speakers outside. I wouldn't even be out there. I just needed the music going. And I would start playing music. And I mean, Amy's sleeping right above me. The speakers were in the ceiling, right under her bed. And she's like texting me going, turn it down. She's coming down the stairs. God, wait, this is awful. Turn it down and I'm going, I'm like complete at (beep) to that point. I'm like, hell, I'm old vacation. - Oh, there's no talking to you. - No, no, you're just like, hmm. This is how it's going to be. - That's it. - Y'all don't like it, get out of the way. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We had some good times. I, I, you're the reason I fell in love with it down there. And I, I just, I don't know, just the vibe. There's, it's one of the only places, if not the only place, that the only reason I carry my phone with me, there is because in case we run into a bar that has testings, yeah. - I'm going to leave that thing on charge 'cause I don't need it. - Yeah, so I took, I got another phone that had, I got a, I got a second phone and I still have it. And I still use it, but I got a second phone. I don't even know the number. I think you have the contact, Amy has it. Anybody that's kind of been down to Key West with me has this number and it has touch tunes on it. It has Apple music, it has nothing else. It has no apps. And when I go down to Key West, I will put my original phone in my bag, it's done. Now I'm gonna take this phone and I can text Amy if I need to and if we walk into a bar where we can play music, we can do that. Otherwise, it's in my pocket. I might have a betting app or on there or something so I can play a couple of bets in the middle of the day just having a beer too. But there's nothing on that phone, no email, no one else can text me, it's called the love line. - Yeah. - And so it's called the love line 'cause originally it was just Amy on it. And it was so good because we would go out and raise hell and I would get up in the morning and go, I ain't posted nothing on Twitter, I ain't posted nothing on Instagram, I ain't text nothing, no drug, text to somebody in the middle of the night, I ain't none of that shit 'cause I can't. And it was just nice to get up and not have that guilt or concern about what you might have been doing on your phone in the middle of the night when you're, - My dumbass, I would selfie and then I got a chair. - Oh yeah. - I got a chair in the camera. - Well you so dumb. - Give you such a hard time. - Yeah, I don't wanna do it. - I know, but I've gotten better. I've gotten better. - He gets to drinking and we know, well obviously 'cause the beer's insane, but he will video himself, cheers in his phone and send it to us. - Yeah, yep. - That and when I'm really in my, I like to you get drunk and then get in my fills and I will get home and I will turn on Armageddon and I'll watch Armageddon drunk and cry. - Oh, like late night. - Like when you go out in the bar? - Yeah, the scene. - And you come home and watch Armageddon, oh my god. - The scene where he brings the little toy and it's like, that's not a salesman, that's your daddy. Cry, cry. And Taran's like, Taran Armageddon now, you know, I have a wide open. I actually have a YouTube link that only shows that scene and plays-- - I don't, I don't be going and climbing in bed. - No, but we don't. - And I gotta, you know, I gotta prove to everybody that I'm still up. - Everybody's in bed and that's what I do. Like, and I've lost, I don't, actually, now I'm not going a lot of myself. I'm not lost a step. - I think I'm in my prime. - I have lost. - You have, you lost a separate day. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, I like it. I think we were in Key West what, a year or so ago and we drank hard for two days. And me and you was at a bar. We both ordered a rebel vodka and tried to get back on the horse and we're like, ah, they just ain't happening. Let's just go to bed. And this is something that a lot of people don't know about Dale and I think this is great. I like, if I'm sleeping, I want it dark cold, no TV on, no music. Well, if you were in with Dale, you get an old race radio broadcast throughout the night. I mean, you roll over and imagine you're drunk, you got the rebel vodka inside of you that's kicked in. And it's like, well, 32 to go here. Darling, when I was three, man, no, no, no, you know, many parsons here and I'm like, and then Dale roll over and I'm like, hey, your dad's running seventh. He's like, yeah, he blows up though, and he rolls back over. (laughing) And I'm like, if anybody could see this man sleeps NASCAR. (laughing) And Terrible text me, how's it going? I don't know, damn, I listen to die hard 500 last night and I have anxiety and my stomach's hurting a little bit. The nights I'm hungover, I know, I know who won the two thousand or the 1982 die hard 500. Yeah, and you're a delbert man at Barney Hall. He sure didn't know how to do it, didn't he? So me and Tim, we'll stay at the marker and it's right next to Scooters, perfect. 'Cause you're gonna start at Scooters and you're gonna end at Scooters. So you got a short walk to the hotel room and we'll just get a damn double and crash in the same room together. And so I will, we get in the room and I'll put on a MRN classics. And I got a pick and hold one. We ain't listening to one from the 90s or 2000s. We're going into the 80s, maybe even the 70s. Oh, there's names that I've never even heard. I thought I knew NASCAR. And dude, I'll turn it on real low. And it's usually Barney Hall and he's like, Barney Hall here at Atlanta Motor Speedway, getting ready to start to trend. Atlanta 500, many Parsons on the pole. Bobby Allison on the outside pole and it starts going through the, and it's like, dude, it just puts me right to sleep. It calms me down. 'Cause we've been drinking raisin' hell all day and you go and you go to bed and you're like, "If you lay in bed, you're like, "get out of me to do it." that. I really need to do that today. God, I don't feel like shit in the morning. You know. Yeah, you get, I think you now, since you got the girls, you're like, I should be, I should be at home. I should be. You feel guilty to do anything for yourself. You know what? One day's enough. I don't need to anymore. And so that Barney Hall, he comms me down. Yeah. It's, it's funny. I remember what I roomed with you and Amy one time, and I rolled over and Amy's is looking at me. She's like, I've been watching you. I thought you were going to die like three times because you're slower than the way you breathe. She's like, I've been watching you wait and for you to die. And I get up and I'm like, nine dead yet. I walk right to the bar. That's my favorite thing now is to be at scanners about eight or nine. Yes. And the old old geezer there. I mean, the people that have the stories that, this one guy was talking to him. He's like, yeah, I work at Home Depot. And I stock overnight. I get off at six and I'll come park here asleep in my truck for two hours. Be here when they open an eight. I'll drink to a noon. And I'll go home and go to bed because I got to go back in at six. I'm like, that's that routine is tough. Yeah, he does seven days a week. Holy shit. He's like, yeah, you turn this place into a honky talk when you come in here. Yeah, it's the music. Yeah, yeah. I scooters is so much fun. Again, like it's where you start and that's where you end your day. And there's a lot of amazing bars down in Key West. And I've, I miss, I miss, we used to probably go six to eight times a year in the in the peak of our, you know, having a house down there and everything. And I miss it. I think I, you know, I write my own name. He's understanding these days is there's just, there's going to be a one Key West trip. Yeah. And it's usually me and you, maybe Billy or a couple of the friends will go down there. And I think I'll do that till I don't think I'll ever stop. I don't know why, but I got a connection to Key West. And I don't think it's ever going to be something where I'm like, you know, what? I think I've been, that's my last one. You know, I think it's acceptable to that town. You could be, you could be 80 and roll around there. That's right. You can be, you can be any age, anything, anything anybody you want to be. And yeah, it's not, it's not like man. It's, here's the old guy walking into the bar. Yeah. What's he doing here? I, you know, and I judge people that go there and don't like it. Secretly, I'm like, I don't know about you. Yeah. Because you can sit at the bar there. I mean, there could be a Hall of Famer NASCAR driver sitting there. A damn near homeless man. Somebody likes to cross dress like, yeah, anybody. Yeah. And nobody bets like everybody is there for one. There's hardly ever seen a BS down there. No drama. No drama. No fighting. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody get thrown out of the bar. We used to probably, now I'm sure there's some videos on social media that would argue otherwise. People getting in some disagreements down there. But I'll be honest, you're right. You don't ever see much. And damn it, we stay out past the wee hours. Like it, nothing, they say nothing good happens after midnight or so far, staying out late. But in Key West, it doesn't seem to. And we're arguing. We're just arguing amongst ourselves and our group like, they're like, man, that group is bickering. And then we get over it next day. We had a few. Tim, what's your, your go to bar? You're going down there the first bar you're going to? Skenders. Yeah. That's where you start. We're in today. Skenders. Do that one. And we usually start there because then Dale wants raw bar. And we can have a couple beers there. And then scooters has got a tuna nachos plate. It's bad. It's freaking bold though. So I mean, I kind of, but raw bar's got buffalo chicken. I'm sorry, buffalo shrimp. The best buffalo shrimp in the world is at the raw bar in Key West. It's just insanely good. But the Kenny Chesney song when I see this bar. Yeah. That takes me scanners. I like to go to the raw bar to eat. But I also like to drink there. It's got a pretty decent bar in it. It's kind of a place for this little hot. It's a food place. A little warm. But it's really authentic. And then I like Camp Tony's is solid. Can be here. It's always kind of a little packed. It could be a little busy. I like Camp Tony's like on the way back. Yeah. Like when I'm really. Hanks. Yeah. Hanks or the old grunts. I used to be called grunts, but now it's called hanks. We're actually going to do a podcast kind of, you know, a year end review sort of the, you know, celebration, a year in celebration, a dirty, my media podcast at Hanks this year. I think Monday morning after homestead or Tuesday morning. Sounds about right. Yeah. Hey, this is Dale Hart Jr. And for all the latest Dale Jr. download gear, including the I'm all drink some beer t-shirt. We've been talking about here around the office. Head over to shop.dirtymomedia.com for all the latest merch. One of the things I introduced you to Key West. You introduced me to Ireland. Yeah. So you went to Ireland to get married. You and Terra had no connection to Ireland. Nope. Not at all. You decided instead of having a traditional, you know, somewhere close by where all friends and relatives could could attend. You're going to go to the Cliffs of War or whatever it's called. Cliffs of War. I like Cliffs of War. Cliffs of War. They ate a lot of iron ore over there. You went there and got married. Yeah. You know why? We started planning a wedding. And you know, there was started talking to our families about it a little bit. And that just couple of wrong words, uh, words spoke to us from that. Um, I tell you didn't find you didn't feel supported. Well, I was like, you know what? It's, um, let's just go do this. Yeah. I'm like, it's ain't about them. And, and you know this about marriage. It's, um, it, it's just you and her in that, in that house. Yeah. I don't, it don't matter who says I'm there for you forever. And that, yeah, there's friends and family that supports you, but it's between y'all too. Uh, the other one that has to go through all the struggles, ups and downs and the good and the bad. Um, so we're like, Hey, I used, I think I brought up Ireland. I used to look at a globe and look at Ireland. It looked really, really small. And I was like, I want to go there one day. I don't know why. I don't think I have any Irish in me or anything like that. And, uh, so we looked into it and went and, um, I liked it then, um, but during COVID, um, I would watch these live cams from all over the, the, the world. And I would look in Ireland and it was just nobody out. It was just shut down. And I'm like, the day they open up, I'm going to go. I'm going to go back there and, and just because man is sucks to see that country and, and what we remember it as, and I went by myself. That was the craziest thing. So we're, we talked to Tim and Tara daily, like we have a group text with Amy, me and Tim and Tara and we talk every day. And Tim's like, you know, Tim's like talking about his flight or I'm on a plane or I'm doing watching this movie on the plane just in conversation. And we're like, Oh, where are y'all going? Tara's like, well, I'm at home. He's going to Ireland. I'm like, how are you going with him? Nobody. And I'm like, you're on a plane eight hour flight to Ireland alone. Yeah. I've done it a couple times. Yeah. That's weird as hell. Now, so Dale doesn't do that all the time. Dale doesn't believe yourself to raise hell. Like he's not going there to meet anybody. Dale's not going there to see some friends. Dale doesn't believe in going in a bar and drinking alone. I mean, I can understand going down to the corner. I think that's weird. I can understand none of them. Would you go in a bar? Like I could totally understand going, going into town and drinking some beers and, you know, just hanging out here where I live. But I'm not flying eight hours over the ocean to have a three or four days, you know, solo fans. I, what I like about it, and I've done this, I mean, I went to Poland earlier this year by myself. I've told Amy, like, man, I might go to the beach house and just hang out by myself. And I always check it out. You know why with me? Yeah. You need some of these. Because I'm afraid I'm going to get down in there and be like, that is sucks. Yeah. Or, or you get drunk and the demons come out. Yeah, demons come out. Yeah. They come out. They come out when you're alone. Yeah. You get, I remember I got in a, they call these little, little rooms in these pubs of their snugs. And I damn, boy, I got in that snug and I got in my fields. And I put to put on my music. And the guy would open the door. And I'm like, no, they're goodness. And I'm not listening to Willie Nelson. And I'm like, I don't know what I was like, I gotta get home. It's ain't for me anymore. And I just, there's something being from a little town in Alabama growing up with, with not thinking you're ever going to be able to go anywhere. And, It just I like being uncomfortable and because it is uncomfortable to travel alone and and go back to your hotel long eat Go eat lunch alone Go drink at a bar alone But then just being a fly on the wall observing and and watching how people live and listen to how they talk and and How they feel about certain things and I Think it's pretty cool And I mean, I'm sure I've ran I've ran into people and drink with them and Hit bars and and I'm like, what are you doing here? And I'm a man. I just went through the voice or I just lost somebody and this and that and drink all night Shake their hand don't know their name never got their number, but that was a memory, you know what I mean? But I don't know it's something. I don't do much these days I actually said back in January I fred that when I'm not going to do it Um, any more, but I'm kind of itching to do it. That's the thing me and you are both the same in the way that we We have I you know If if if everybody listening to this if you can connect with it fine if you can't if you don't understand it whatever But I think me and Tim Have acknowledged that we both got some demons. Yeah, you know, and I got I got thanks for my childhood My past that you know, just kind of suppressed all my life and you you got some things to and we've talked about it together And I think we find that I think we connect in that way and I feel like that when you know when we Kind of see each other Checking some boxes or some milestones you getting married Our wives becoming great friends us become we've kind of we've tried to break up Oh, yeah, we've we've had good little fights. Yeah, and we've but we've tried I know but there's been times too when we've just we just went without communicating Oh, yeah, I only we'll go we'll go couple months. I'm two or two months without him talking Yeah, but I think I just you know, you eventually figure out or you eventually kind of realize like these are my people You know and and are these I don't every where we go and you all aren't there We think y'all are the first people we think about like Man, I wish Tim and Tara were here. I bet Tim and Tara would love this or we should come back with Tim and Tara And so you know, that's kind of I think That's been that was the we've been great friends and I and I really appreciate that I think a lot of people would wonder outside of you your you know my curiosity and your your Your profession as a musician I think they're part the whole purpose of having you on the show Today is to it's to share like the connection that we have and a lot of people I think you know, we and we've talked about yeah, we've talked about especially like in the race The race fans in the community, and I a lot of people don't understand our friendship or how it came to be or What the you know, I get a lot of people's like really thinks that you are And you've always been supportive of me, but like that you are the reason that I'm you know Got into playing races and stuff and I was doing that before yeah, you know now people know the real story. Yeah But you know and I've been able to call you about things and Ask advice and man. What do you think about this and that and And just being able to trust and when we're sitting at a bar, you know drink in and and just talking just being able to really open up I've always been very guarded. I grew up being told you don't you know keep your you know keep your walls up and not let many people in and And it's something that didn't happen from the start like it's just developed over the years, but yeah, you and Amy made a lot to us and I mean, I think of Amy as a sister. I mean me and her text is as just as much as me and you yeah, and always kind of cutting up and But yeah, it's it's it's it's you know, it's I grew up a fan of your dad's and yours and a fan of racing But when I see you like at work if I'm if I'm watching the race, I'm like The the Dale that I know isn't that Dale does that make sense? It's a part. It's who you are But I'm like man the the Dale I I know is we're sitting there. We're catching up. We're drinking beer. We're Setting up the the blow up house in All the kids and drinking beer while the kids play and yeah, but yeah, man, it's a I was I've been kind of like How's this going to go coming over and being on I've always wonder I was thinking too like when I when me and Amy got married and we had kids how That might change our friendship because me and you were always like when we first met I was in a relationship, but it was like I don't know my buddies sometimes came first or what I wanted to do whether that was go drinking or hang out or It was always like I was a bit me me me me when me when I started when I started doing better in my relationship with Amy I started to heaven to do less of me and and I'll dial back my kind of party and wild ways. Yeah, we can relate to we kind of can be and you've done as well Yeah, you know, but then we you know me and Amy had kids too, you know, and I'm like I'll be honest like I'm you know I'm sort of personally thinking like man. Is he going to come around? You know, we we're changing diapers. We got you know, we got to watch our we got to watch what we're doing We got to watch what we're saying we got to hold you know, and now we're not you know not going day drinking all day We're not going to the bar and spending an all night two a.m. at the bar And you still you know, you're you're good decade younger and I am and so like you still I didn't want to take you out of that mode. You're still in that mode. I was in that mode at that age I'm not going to tell you to do anything different but I knew my life was changing and I've enjoyed how y'all have like my kids call you Uncle Tim When I say Uncle Tim's coming around they know immediately what What that means and who you are and and they love tear to death and She's amazing. Yeah, she's great with kids. He's the best thing that ever happened to you. Yeah, I think you know I don't know that me and you would still be friends if you weren't married to Tara. Does that make any sense? Yeah, because I would say we weren't be we would be friends, but we wouldn't hang Yeah, probably makes it makes it way nicer that y'all are a package Yeah, well because yeah, I mean could you imagine just I know me so rolling in like I don't do Well, I don't do the guys trips anymore Like the guys trips that I don't do the guys trips that we used to do, but the guys trips I do now is with You know the guy that the boys the guys that are married the guys that are you know they got families They got kids they kind of it's like I feel more comfortable around people that know what life is like today Yeah, you know some people don't understand like That just like the solar trip to Ireland and I can I can hang out with my Single guy for you, but but Tara is very yeah, Tara's very pro go go do that You should know you want to do that. Yeah, that's what you should do. She hardly like Tells me don't do that And she really I think she I wonder if she's trying to get let you get it all out your system She's hoping like eventually you're you're gonna go I think if she's like yes You're gonna do it. Yeah, so go do it, but I hope that one day you're gonna stop doing it now Now I will tell you this there and it took me till this year to see this Whatever you're chasing Mm-hmm in those and I would I was chasing a scape I'm I'm always a way. I'm on a different time zone. Nobody can get to me. Nobody can yeah, especially when my when my dad was real sick And there was I mean, I was getting calls every every hour and and and it was the situation was I'd be like all right This is what we should do we ain't doing that. They're stubborn, you know, they're very stubborn So got got to a point where you you the option there's no options for you to to help and I'm like if I'm gonna be five hours away To drive I can just be eight hours away to fly and I can go escape Life for a little bit and and escape the the stress of life and and all this But it you know and we've talked about this too, you know with kids. I don't have kids and There are days where you're like man, that kind of looks cool to To be taking your kids to Soccer this or that and then there's times where I See I stopped at store today and hurt a baby crying. It's that's often. I'm like that. Don't sound fun at all Like so I'm still trying to figure it out that part only last for a little. I know, but I mean, I was a Kid told now. I'm still still am just have a girl I need a boy. Oh, no, you wouldn't you do not a little like I want you to have kids like I do I don't think you need to be a girl dad first No, you need a couple years of girl dad. I feel like God would punish you need you to boy does not need to be the first I don't know it's lost my drainage thought on that. I don't I don't know. I'm I'm Um, right now the focus is, you know, the music and me and you, me and you are the same. And I was, I was a, I was going to say this, me and you were the same in, we're the same type of person that needs something to look forward to. Yes. You, you talked about, this is one of the biggest things going on between me and you. And I don't know what, I don't know that it's something we even need to fix or it's worth trying to, I don't know if it's good, bad. It's not necessarily all that healthy, but I deal, I talk about this with Amy too. And I'm like, how are you not like this? How is everybody not like this? But you and I, I was talking about, we have our demons, right? And you need that trip. You need to have something out there in front of you that you're like living for. And I'm the same way, I, if, if, if there's not a thing next month or maybe it's way farther out, even December, Christmas or whatever, right? If there's not this thing that I'm excited for or I'm, I'm excited to happen or to come, or to come, come to existence. Really it's a trip. Typically, it's a, it's not necessarily vacation, but it's like, I'm going to go somewhere and I'm going to get to get out of here. Right. I'm going to get, I get a skate from when you go run, I need a race, does that give you the same kind of high? No, it doesn't. That doesn't count. That's work. Yeah, but it's, you're doing it out for fun, so it doesn't give you the same life. No, I, I need to go somewhere where I'm not doing anything and I can crack a beer at any time of day without any judgment and I need, yeah, that, that, I need to be able to look forward to that when I, when that isn't there, when my, when I look at my calendar and there, there's nothing there, like that sucks and you're the same way. And I don't want to, I'm not trying to like wish my life away or like, man, I can't wait till this. I've learned that as a dad. You don't do that. You don't wish your life away. Man, I can't wait till she learns to do this or till she turns this age can, I can't wait till Ila doesn't have to ride in the back anymore. She can ride in the passenger seat with me up front, you know, things like that. But yeah, like me and you both have that sort of bad habit of needing to place something in front of us to be going toward or excited about or that keeps us happy without it. I've seen you, you know, get sort of, you get bugged out and you're like, I gotta get the fuck out here. Yeah. And that's when you'll do that. Man, I, I just got a ticket. I'm flying. I'm going by myself. Yeah. Where you going? And I think really, now, plant life shows gives me a high. It does? It does. Um, but when you're, when you've kind of, kind of almost, you've, you've hit the top of this level and you really want to get on this next level. So you're, you're hitting your head on the sillon. Yeah. I mean, there's like, when I go play the opera, high, when I'm on stage, I'm as happy as I can be. Uh, when I'm riding and I have something I really want to ride about, um, it's just the, you know, the, the grind when the grind is, the trail gets long, like, you know, an old western. It's like, I got, I, I want to escape. And the best way to escape is to go somewhere where nobody knows your name and it's, it, nobody wants nothing from you. Yeah. You, you know, you don't want none from them. And you can just go be a fly on the wall and, but it, it doesn't fix it. But it got to come back, it fixed it for, it fixes it for a break. Yeah. Um, let's talk about that. Let's, uh, your, your career. So I think, um, you're not where you want to be. You said that. Yeah. You're, you're kind of hitting your head against the ceiling, trying to break on through to the next level. Um, and that next level is literally the, the level you've been striving for your entire life. It's that, it's that radio signal, it's the, it's the airplay. It's, you know, it's the push you talk about from your record label. Um, you had a chance, you had, you put this record to get together, really good collection of songs. There was some good singles on there. Curb was ready to go and then COVID hit and it, lot, and it just kind of got shelved. Yeah. Right. And, and so since then you've still, you still wrote, still creating regional stuff, got some new stuff that you just recently put together that's really good. Like you're, I don't know, as, from my perspective, as a fan or as a listener, you're making great music. I like the songs you have. I like the song sound good to me. They sound, I hear songs and I go, I don't know why it sounds like a song. I would hear on the radio. Sounds like a song. A lot of people would like, I like it enough to want to hear it again. That seems like that would be the natural reaction for anybody who heard the song. I can't the song just pick any song. I can't the song get traction. Why can't what's, I don't know you, I know that, I know that record labels pay for the shelf time. Right. You don't just, now somebody could call in to request hour or whatever and play Tim Dugger and, yeah, Tim Dugger's on the radio. But that, that rotational play throughout the day is paid for by the record label. Am I right? I'm really paid for, but it's, well, you hear the same 12 songs, yeah, on the hour every hour. Well, you got, you got labels that are really good at getting radio play. Scott Braschetta's team, they know how to have, have a hit on radio. Where Kirby still has hits, I mean, our head of radio promo is, is one of my favorite people and he is sitting there wanting a radio single. I just started working a year and a half ago with Michael Knox and the way that came, came about. I go in the curb to have a meeting, you know, I released the stars over Alabama album, but I, if you listen back to that album, I'm very raspy because I had a polyp on my vocal chords. And so I got that removed, didn't talk for a month and couldn't sing for a couple months. I couldn't believe you did that, dude, it was hard, not talking for a month. It was hard. I had a little whiteboard and a little app that I could talk into or type into. Hey, Tara, go get me some Harbys. But imagine a Australian lady voice, show me your boobs. He did that, Tara. Yeah. That's hilarious. So I go have this meeting with, with a robotic voice show, man, your boobs, please, it will make me happy, very, very happy. When I go have this meeting with my head of an R, which my head and R had changed, like people come and go. So when somebody knew, now you got to go build a relationship with them musically and everything. So I had a meeting and I'm like, man, this meeting just seemed like just a bunch of air. Like we ain't doing nothing here. So I leave curb, go out and get my truck. And if my truck could talk, Jason Alden comes on my phone. That's a good song. Yeah, badass song. And I'm like, Michael Knox, I've met him once or twice. I got his number. I remember you doing that and I said, I'm going to text him. Hey man, Tim Dugger, be cool to catch up sometime. He called me. I had it in the door because I'm like, I ain't get shit to play to him. Oh shit. Yeah. So I call him back and the next day, I'm in his office and Michael Knox has produced every Alden record from day one and runs a very powerful and established publishing company. The guy is in the game and at D. And I go in his office and he starts playing me songs and he starts telling me what he thinks. He knows a lot about me more than I thought he knew and we went to work. And I got it, then you got to go to curb and you got to go, hey, I need approved to go work with him. I need a budget approved. You have to get all these hoops to jump. How much is it? I would say, I would say per song is anywhere, I'd say from 10 to 15,000 hours a song. And that's about how much it is, but what was great about Michael is I've had hard guns before. I've worked with some amazing producers that I've looked up to and I cut an EP back in 2015 with Keith Stigel, Alan Jackson's producer. That was a dream come true, but I got in the studio and I go, well, it's got to have, it's got to have that Alan Jackson sound, but that ain't a Tim Dugger sound, you know what I mean? So you messed up. Yeah. I mean, what song was on there that I would recognize? Hurts don't it was on there. Hurts don't. Yeah. Hurts don't it. It's such a great song. Oh, thank you. We're playing it live again. We ended our show. Why did you stop? We ended our show. It's a great song. St. Louis this past weekend with it, but um, so Nox is like, Hey, I, I, this ain't just - This dumbest 10 years old. - Yeah. - God dang. (laughing) We're old, we are. But nox is like, hey, this ain't just, I don't need to do this. I want to do this. And this is what I want us to do. And with the goal to take that next step, we have a song coming out on Friday. I really, really love. - It's one. - It's called Better Luck Next Town. And then I have an EP coming out in October of all these songs. And Mike, my curve has been in here. And we have a great relationship. But I think as a company, they're trying to figure out how this new age of music is working. And you know, you got a lot of, Mike's kind of up here. And you got a lot of people below him that you kind of got to get through. And I have some really great relationships at the label. But I feel like we're in a really good spot. You still need people to champion you. I mean, I have people at radio that right now wants or they're asking for a single. So I'm in hopes that we can get that going. And I think, I love it. - Let me ask you a question. - Yeah. - The song, this, you got a new song, won't you like I do? - Yeah. - All right, is that on the new? - That is a single. - Yeah. - That is a, I'm not (beep) You're, I mean, you're my friend, but you know me. I'm a (beep) I think that I'm some (beep) music. - I'll send you what I think is great. - Oh yeah. - And you're like, I don't know, man. - Yeah. - You know me though. I think I'm this like, I always tell people like if the racing, do you want to be an A and R guy? - I wanted to be an A and R guy. And so I fancy me a, a year for, yeah. And so, won't you like I do, is a, is a, it's a one, it's a top 100 song, easy, easy. Why, what is the hold up? Like what does, what needs to happen? - Well, that's what, you know, when, - What's the trick? - When I got, when I started working with Michael Knox, he's, he knows it songs, I mean. - I know, but like, so do I. - I know, he agrees, he's like this. - How does it get on the radio? How do you get? - This, it takes, it takes the promo team going, we're gonna go to battle for this song. We ain't gonna take no for an answer. - Well, I won't they hear it themselves and go, hey, all right, I'm going to battle for this song. - It's just, I mean, are they here in thousands of songs a week? - Yeah. - Yeah. - And you're just, you're in the sea. - You're in a sea of songs and that's why, well, the easy answer is, like I said, there's promo teams, there's promo teams out there that can, you can have a hit song. That song is a hit with probably a different situation. Maybe not pooping on my situation, but just like a car on the racetrack, that car wins other races. - So I know that there are people, there are, you know, what if someone like an outing said, hey man, I want to do that song. And you're like, you know, you're in this moment, right? You're, you're, you got this song, you're putting it on this new release, this new album that's going to be coming out soon. You're hoping that that's the next album that's going to make this thing happen. But what does somebody, big, established name came to you and said, I want to cut that. - If it's a song that I've written, you gotta, you gotta wait, because now if it's a song that I've wrote, you gotta weigh it out to go, hey, this would be, because there's a lot of songwriters that are out on tour with people. - That become, because they've opened that door. - Is that a way in? - Yeah, I mean, I think it takes, I think it takes too though. - 'Cause I mean, like somebody just going, hey, I believe in you. - I know, but I want to, we're going to do this. - That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the normal way that you hope it would happen. But like, was it, I don't know, was it haggar? Who's, Merle didn't write for people first before, he was, who was it, it wasn't Merle, it was, who's in the highway, man? - I mean, there's Chris, Chris Christoff, some, I mean, he wrote for Johnny and for everybody, yeah. - And so, but he eventually become a star. - I mean, Chris Stapleton, right? - Chris Stapleton was the next guy I was about to mention. - He'd, he'd saw us before. - But like, that's a lot of that, yeah. - That's a, there's other, yeah. - So it's, I guess the answer or the question is, is there's more, there's different ways to get there. - Of course, yeah. And that's why you, would you totally, like, what you like to do is a great song, right? It may be, it may be one, it may be the song that, that triggers the, the opportunity that you're looking for to the next level. - And there, you know, and there's no guarantee. - I know. - What, if a guy like, you know, Al Dien or somebody, just saying Al Dien, 'cause he's connected to this dude that you're working with, if he comes to you and says, "Man, I wanna cut it." I'd be like, "Yeah, please do." - Yeah. - Like, you know, how much ownership of that song do you have? I know you sit down and you write it with. - Well, I didn't, that song, I just got. - You didn't write it up, I didn't write it up. - That was one, and so that's another thing. I noticed that you're hard-headed, and in the past, you were like, "I ain't fuck, but nothing I ain't worked on." Everything that's gonna be on my album is gonna be something I have my hands on. - And this one? - This one, no. - I didn't, I didn't. - You finally decided. - I gave, I turned the keys over to your heart-ass. - I turned the keys over to somebody else. But I do think I've written some of the best songs. - You write fine songs. - No, of my career this year that we just have sitting there. - Well, you write fine songs, but. - But I'm like, this guy knows his songs. Why, what, and I listen to him? Why wanna listen to his songs? - Why did you do that sooner, though? - Why were you such a heart-ass? - Because I-- - You were so hearted. - You're like, "Oh, Hank didn't do it this way. "I'm not doing it the way unless Burl did it this way." I'm gonna do it like, "Hank." - 'Cause you're young and you're stupid, you know? And you're stubborn. - You think if you could go back and do it all over again, that you might have changed some-- - If I could go back and do it all over again, the only thing I would change would be get myself more educated about the music business. That's the only thing I'd change. I'm, and we've talked about this over drinks, you know, like a lot of people say, "Oh man, "you oughta hear some of the songs I get pitched "because I play a lot of NASCAR races." And I, but I still like, I love that, you know, any time that anybody's been like, "Oh, you're the NASCAR guy." I'm like, "Dude." - That's way better than being the American Legion guy or the guy down at Scruffy's Bar guy. Like, I think it's cool to be associated with a major sport, you know? And building a, you know, I was out at World Wide Technology over the weekend and I'm watching people sing songs that were just on an EP years ago. And what I've been able to kind of build through that, I'm very proud of, but, you know, you're like, "Man, I would love for that to be a piece of the puzzle, "but not the-- - Defining. - Not the defining, yeah. I know there was a point, I guess maybe two or three years ago, you were kind of pulling back a little bit 'cause you felt like that you were only known mainly for your NASCAR connection. And you were like, "Man, I don't, that's not who I am." - Yeah, that's not all I am. - Yeah, and I, I mean, I-- - I know you're gonna, I know you love NASCAR. - Yeah. - I know you, Marcus and you, great friends, and you got a lot of great connections there, but. - Yeah, I love being able to do it and it's, I mean, you go in and you get to see kind of how, I know the difference between how NASCAR works, how SMI works, I've seen it from those angles. We didn't do anything with NASCAR this year. And just SMI and those tracks of, it's crazy, like you'll see a lot of the same fans. - Yeah, this bit. - Which is your favorite Michigan Talladego? - You know, being from Alabama-- - Michigan's pretty grouty, grouty. - The Bristol Friday night show. - Yeah. - We'll play that as Friday, post-race. - Really? - It's badass. I would, I'd say the one that surprised me and I have a great story from it too. The first time I played "Walking's Glen." - Oh yeah. - I, you know, being from Alabama, you think, I ain't nobody routier than us. I ain't nobody red-knit than us. We are the, the P-1 of red-knits and hell-razers. And I got up there and I'm playing this show and it's damn routy. I'm headlining it and it's, see if people probably, I don't know, five, six thousand people. And I look over to the stage and the sky's like, come here. And I walk over, he's like, hey, the cops are here. And he wants you to announce that people need, girls need to put their tops back on. (laughing) These girls are on top, like, guys, shoulders. You know, they've got to be on top of us and, uh, And I walk over the cob and I was like, "What now?" He's like, "Man, you can't--" - That was like the buffalo shit. - He's like, "We can't be doing that up here." I said, "Hey, I have the band stop. I'll give you the mic. You can make the announcement." And then we'll go about the plan. He's like, "Hey, I ain't doing that." And I go, "Well, I ain't doing it." I go, "That'd be the most un-American thing I could ever do." And so tell them girls to put their damn clothes back on. I said, "So if you ain't doing it, I ain't doing it." I guess they ain't getting done. (laughs) And I didn't get asked back to Watkins Glen for life three or four years. - Oh my God. - But I'm like, "Damn dude, I'm not doing it." I'm supposed to be Mr. Good Time and I'm pro-boob. I'm free of the nap. Why ain't you doing that? (laughs) - That's a good way to end this one. - Tim, you're like a brother to me. I'm glad that you came to do this. I didn't know if you would when I asked you to. But you mean a lot to me. You and Tara both are great friends. You got a lot of fans that'll listen to this show that'll be excited to hear a little bit about your story. Get to know you better. I know that people get to hear your music, but I don't know that they know just what a good time you are, buddy. - Well, I appreciate you having me on here. - Yeah. Well, I appreciate you coming through, man. Let's go have some beers. It has fun today. - Let's do it. - All right. Tim Dugger on the Delgender Download. - All right, that was a lot of fun. Awesome to have Tim here. Tim's a great friend of mine. And I know a lot of y'all know Tim. I don't think that you knew his story well enough. So I asked him to come on the show. And just a fun dude, awesome, awesome friend. And I'm really lucky to have him in my life. And so thankfully he come through today. So we're gonna go have some fun and get out on the lake or do something fun around here while he's in town. But yeah, I just, it's interesting to me, I think to have known him as long as I have, I've seen him kind of try to, you know, work through this process of breaking through and getting to this certain level in the music business. And I think he's still got a long runway and a lot of opportunity. And you know, it happens when it happens. But I think that the potential in the talent's obvious. He's got a lot of great songs. New record coming out soon. But there's a single available on iTunes that I really, really like won't you like I do. Pretty bad ass song. And Hertz don't at 50, you know, 10 years ago, it's crazy, it's been that long. It's probably probably my favorite Tim Dugor song. But check them out, appreciate everybody. And thanks again for joining us here in the Arby Studio. Don't forget about Arby's new meat and three bucks. We have the Beats and we'll see you tomorrow. 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