This Is The Proof Angry Trump, 80, Is Unraveling

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Two speeches, not one, it's impossible to see that this is anything other than a revelation of character and unraveling and opening up of Trump in a way that we have not seen before. This is different. The anger is of the surface, the craziest of the surface, and the desertion of his own party as well. There was nothing for Republicans to act, the Republican meeting and Dallas. It was all for Trump. I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast. Who is here with me in the studio fantastic to be back. I will say Hugh Dockady. It is so good to have you back in the studio, Joanna. Thank you. Thank you for being back. Executive Editor of the Daily Beast knows everything going on in the news. So today, obviously, we're going to be talking about Trump, a loser, going to be talking about what was Trump really there at 9/11 when he said he was, "Of course not." Oh, we're doing spoilers now. We're going to be doing, we're going to be talking about him lunging, lunging after Rachel Scott, the reporter at ABC, and Stephanie Grisham, his former press spokesman, saying she recognized that face. I think so does everybody that works around him. Of course, we're going to be examining the pledge. I pledge, I pledge to talk about Trump, a loser with Hugh Dockady in a way that, well, what should we pledge to, Hughie? Well, I tell you what, Joanna, if you are watching, you could pledge to hit the subscribe button and join our community. Very good, yes, will you pledge to join the Beast community? Smash our subscription button wherever you get your podcast, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, wherever we are here to dissect Trump. We're going to lay him out, like, one of those frogs that people dissected in the biology class, where you sort of take it to part and unpeel the viscerality of the frog, I think. What was Donald Trump doing at Trump a polluza? Why did he need a two-day conference to celebrate himself when he is the lowest-polled president in the history, in the history of nobody's ever seen anything like it? Where do we begin, Hughie? How bad is it? And how bad was Trump a polluza? Well, our reporters, Baratomazin and Serial Weiss, were at Trump a polluza. They were there. Lots of other reporters were there. I think we can safely say who was not there, quite a lot of people. Donald Trump spoke twice at this, he calls it a convention, is it a convention? It's hard to say if it was a convention because there's never been one like this before. It wasn't a head of a presidential election when you have a convention, but he called it that. So let's go with that. And he said it was packed to the rafters. Unfortunately, Serial Weiss was up in the rafters and she had a pretty good view of what was going on. And if you're watching on YouTube, you can see it now. Right. Just take a look at Sarah's video showing you actually how many people were there because television is so deceptive, it can focus on a group of people that are corral. I mean, you see this in concerts that they often corral people to sort of dance in the mosh pit and then you look around and everybody's just sitting there to donate fake. This was a sort of, as you say, mini conference. It was really a self-celebration for Donald Trump to make it all about him because when is it about anybody else? And it felt pretty flat. Yeah. There's no doubt it felt flat. It was two days. He spoke on both days, Lee Greenwood, who viewers, unless those would be surprised to learn his only 83. So a youngster in terms of Retram P and Unions. Relative youngster, of course, sang. And a load of Trump people got up and spoke among them, RFK Junior, who said he didn't expect to ever be a Republican convention, even though he was at the last one. So perhaps. Short memory. Short memory. Short memory. Short memory. Short memory. It's brainworm remembered. And it's all that sniffing stuff off toilets. And PSA. And then we saw a lot of a low energy performance from a lot of people, JD Vans spoke. And those who are in the Republican world are saying this morning, this was great, JD Vans really nailed that he is absolutely the person to succeed Donald Trump as the candidate. Did you say contest? Were you about to say contestant? I didn't say contestant. Because the right word. It was kind of like it was a it was a bit of a low energy game show. And one of the things that serial wise discovered was that when you go to a concert, you get merch. The merch was half price on the second day. The merch was half price. So tell me about that. What was the my what? I mean, what even is the merch at something like a Trump of pollution? Obviously, lots of very shiny things. Lots of gold. Gold Mercedes parked outside, of course, Mercedes, of course, not this Mercedes, we checked, not made in the United States. One dear. Did Mercedes know that was Mercedes? No, no way. This was not official. This did not leave the factory in this color. Absolutely. Garry. Right. Right. The inside. You could buy Texas themed hats with Trump, hats with Trump, 2020, eight jackets with Trump's name on his back in that sort of, you know, sort of, you know, sort of rodeo styles, rodeo, rodeo. Right. A sort of crypt in rodeo and sequins. Well, or trucks, truckers, trucker jackets. There were some trucker jackets and yeah, it was half price, a lot of half price on the second day. So was it being tariffed, in fact? Well, it's a good point. That's a good point. Right. Because if they were being sent in from China or Vietnam or whatever, these things should have been made. Right. That's true. But maybe Nibbzi was buying them. I think it was, it was a simple that, you know, they needed an economic stimulus. Did we give Farah and Sarah our correspondence who were there? Did we give them an expensive budget to buy some merch for the office? I feel like we should have one of those gold jackets. I have to say that we were, we were fiscally responsible unlike, unlike the Trump administration. We do not do deficit financing at the daily beast. Right. So we didn't actually do that. I will check if they bought some for themselves. They are both, both well-dressed people. And if they are, we will ask them to parade in it for future auditions. Well, who doesn't need a trucker jacket, honestly. It's all very odd. And I noticed that James Taloriko had taken Trump's name. We had a story about this in the beast this morning. And he, Donald Trump is calling James Taloriko, the Democratic Senate candidate standing opposite Trump's candidate, Ken Paxton, who will come back to him in a minute because Trump managed to insult his own Indoor Sea. But Trump calls James Taloriko Taloriko and James has taken that very smartly and turned it into a nickname for himself. He's owning it, which is a smart thing. He's owning it. He's merging it. He's selling t-shirts so that people can proclaim that they too are Taloriko's. And of course, he's ahead in the polls and texts and some polls and texts as the polls are tied up. Texas had been deep-read, it had been MAGA. People had really believed that it was very, very hard for a Democrat to even approach the idea of winning in Texas. But the tide has turned and we have to thank for that. Ken Paxton managed to be insulted by Trump, not once, but twice. Smile throughout the whole thing as if it was I mean, this is what Trump does. He manages to humiliate his own most loyal stewardess. Because ultimately he despises them, I think, for being loyal to him, because he knows he's not worthy of it. It was notable that it was almost a bit of both nights, the bits of Trump's speech that Trump seemed to enjoy most. We're attacking in Kingston, in his home state, where he is maybe tied up in, you know, maybe within the margin of error, maybe behind in significant number of polls, he's running out of money, he's spent all beating John Carman, and he has, in James Tyler Freco, as I guess we have to call him, he hasn't Tyler Reco. What is clearly a formidable candidate? And then he gets Donald Trump, saying, I don't like how he speaks. I don't like how he dresses. But please do me a favor and go and vote for him. I mean, is that what you want on your ads? - Right, I mean, absolutely. You don't want that if you're, uh, Ken Paxton, although Trump has amazingly dug into his 400 million stash that he's been raising right to give Ken Paxton $10 million, because he understands that the race is tight and Paxton might lose, and that would be bad for Trump, because, of course, Trump backed Paxton, who was the saltless guy. - Exactly. I have a John Corning, who'd been disloyal to him. And Paxton was impeached as Attorney General, and both parties in Texas said, "This is the one of the worst politicians we've ever had." - And, yeah, and the scandals just fall them around. Um, you know, his wife divorced him on biblical grounds. He has attacked, uh, Tawariko saying that Tawariko hates Jesus. And Tawariko, of course, has, you have interviewed him, Joanna, on the DailyBees podcast, as they interview. Um, this is a guy who went to seminary, and on the other side, and Paxton, who cheated on his wife, serially, and is now cheated on the people of Texas, I think, right? I mean, he's been accused of all sorts of financial shenanigans. - And he's also, you know, said that Tawariko hates Texas and hates America, spent July the 4th, and Paxton spent July the 4th in London, which I believe is where America was declaring independence from. So, there we are, but, you know, Donald Trump got a lot of amusement out of having a goal, again, Paxton at Trump Apollosa. - And as a wife? - I know, as you say, on his own territory, in Dallas. - But the thing that really brought Trump to life, we discussed just at the top of the shore, was the pledge. - The pledge. - Okay, can we show, for those of you who didn't watch Trump Apollosa, and why would you watch it? We watched it, so you didn't have to. Let's show the pledge. - Please raise your right hand. - I pledge to the greatest president in the history of the United States, that loves us so much, he can't even breathe. - That loves us so much, he can't even breathe. - That I will go out with my family, my friends, I'll do it anyway. I don't care if I'm registered or not, I'm gonna try and cheat like hell like they do. - He's gonna, he's asking people to pledge. - Oh, sorry, can I take my hand down? - You can take your hand down. He's asking people to pledge to cheat like hell. - Yes. - To cheat like hell. Well, at least he's open about that. - And we should say, by the way, Mike Johnson, the speaker. - Had his hand up. - Mike Johnson on January 9th. - Had his hand up. - During the, during the, during the, during the, during the pledge. - He was standing with his hand up. - Of course he was. - And I think someone else had their hand up, Mike Johnson's jacket. Because Mike Johnson is like one of those fellow, what are they called? Ventriloquists kind of poverty. He just says whatever Trump wants him to say. - Mike Johnson had tremendous power actually on January 3rd. He will be the speaker until January 3rd. If it's a blue wave, Akim Jeffries should become the speaker. But the, the whole Congress has to be seated by the outgoing speaker. And he has to hand over the gavel in position of the, in, you know, in the manner of civility we've seen that before. Um, these things are not actually guaranteed. There are things, these, there are things that can be done by an outgoing Congress that can make it messy and difficult. And there he was, standing up. As a man said, I want you to pledge to cheat. It's a bit, it was clearly I'm using to this crowd. Right. And also when you heard the repeating back, I pledged to what is it? The greatest president of the world has ever known or whatever. The greatest president of the United States of America. You, I don't think anybody was actually saying the words. It sounded like they were going, well, nobody actually wants to pledge that. And I think probably a lot of people in that crowd take the pledge of allegiance. Seriously, it's, it's actually, it's a weirdly, it's a weird thing for a Republican president to make fun of the pledge of allegiance. Yes. And this is, this is a party that has dined out on not people not taking the pledge, on people not standing for the flag. And people, you know, on people not showing the outward signs of loving America. And in fact, that was one of the themes of this whole event before Trump had his joke pledge. And if it was a joke, it was a joke, but if he was, he was making a joke about the pledge, after two days of they hate America, they are the party that is dangerous. They are the party that despises the Constitution. They are the party that despises what unite us. That's their message going into this election. And then he gets up and he makes a joke out of the pledge of allegiance, which they are, you know, they are frankly obsessed by having recited any opportunity in this performative fashion. And again, none of this, none of Trump or Paloza, was a great message for anybody who was there to take home to their district, to their state, and say, vote for me. I was there. Look how great it was. There's no doubt this, this will pop up on democratic attack ads. It will pop up that they were there. There's already been Democrats pointing out. That's clear about. Well, where was the, where was the candidate? I have those little say you to anyone about to talk about in a different context. I was pointing out and CNN that he was in Michigan, but his, his rival, Mike Rogers was in Dallas, and this is going to be a theme. You were there. Here's what happened. You were there. Look, did you have your hand up in the air for this pledge? It's going to pop up at local television debates and television ads that people are being bombarded with already. It's given Democrats a lot of material. Right. So another person speaking there was someone who used to hate Donald Trump, who was an opponent when they were running for president. I'm talking about the Texas senator Ted Cruz. Oh, you're not cutting this. I think that's good, but yeah, a lot of people ran against him. It was true, because the vice president said he was like Hitler, but yes, Ted Cruz was, I think most people in, I think, with Farah and Sarah said that, that Ted Cruz got actually a very warm reception. He wasn't Texas, so, you know, it says it has native states. So he's not as native states from Canada, but I was going to say and he's not always in Texas, actually. I mean, the time it had the big floods, he was in Greece. I mean, this is not, I mean, there was another moment when he was in Cancun, when there was a disaster in Texas, so we know that it was safe in Texas, because he was there. Right. Right. Okay. That was good news for the people of Texas. Ed's home. You know, you know, you're going to be okay. And he was, he did get, he got a warm reception. And, but in the course of it, we had another example of something that, while people might go, Oh, this is within whatever, is actually pretty chilling and well, and it's particularly chilling, I think, just to, to preface it with the fact that it was a year since Charlie could have been shot. Yes, exactly. This was on the day that the Republicans have come together and talked about the dangers of political violence. And this clip suggests something rather different. Right. Let's play it. When Mandami says he wants to seize the means of production, he means it. When Abdul Al Sayed says he has a quote obligation to comply with Sharia law, he means it. And when James Talleriko says he wants to dismantle capitalism, he means it. So that's a sort of ominous, that the voice, the sole voice in the crowd there, although he got support from people when he said he should be shot. Yes, I mean, again, we just said on the day, on the anniversary of Charlie Kirk, actually being shot. But what is Ted Cruz doing here? Well, I will say we do not know if Ted Cruz could hear what was being shouted from the floor. It's a big event. It's a big event space that went necessarily a big number of people there. But it's a big event space. It is possible that he could not hear. What we haven't heard afterwards from him is a condemnation. What we didn't hear was that not person who shouted this absolutely twisted attack on these three Democrats, we didn't hear that that person had been removed. In fact, we asked and we were told, oh, we know nothing about it. about that. Right. So it doesn't appear that any action was taken. And this again, this is the group that demands that, you know, that Democrats are played for the views of one extreme as the streamer Hassan Piker that we've all heard about, and honestly, who has even watched. But we've all heard about that. And sure, this guy has said some important things. This person who shouted he should be shot was explicitly demanding the death of three, three Democrats, two of them notably are not white. And nothing has happened. This person has not been apparently not been found. The secret service haven't gone after them. And we've got to say, at what point is it plausible that the Republican party just didn't notice where will pass that point? So overall, was this a win for Trump? I mean, Fox News covered it slavishly. Yes. The other networks not so much. So the numbers are not good. The ratings for the first night show that Fox News didn't get a bump out of it. So the neat, the same number of people tuned into Fox that would normally tune in. So you might say that's a failure. I'm going to offer a slightly contrarian view. And I'm not one of those like, oh, I'm going to be a contrarian normally. But the fact that nobody really noticed might actually be the win because it wasn't good, right? It wasn't good at all. The big pledge was this $5,000 bribe for everybody. That has kind of resonated a bit. But nobody believes it. And then, you know, people threatening political violence, people making pledges to cheat. And when we come onto it, the revelation of how many people were actually there, none of that looks good for Trump. And the fact that it hasn't really been watched, it wasn't on the networks that it's not resonating through social media, Google, which shows the trends that people are Googling. Not many people are Googling about this. So overall, the fact that hasn't made an impact, maybe not entirely a failure in a very strange, very strange way. That is a very contrarian take. And I admit, I could be wrong. Don't follow me for analysis. Well, it's intriguing. And also on Wednesday, of course, there was the bombing by Iran of American planes, eight, F 15's just taken out. Was the war much of a theme? No, there was absolutely an attempt to avoid talking about the war. It came up very glancingly now and again, but it was a real determination not to mention this. Occasional mentions about standing up, about victory and about things like that. But the real detail and nitty gritty, absolutely not. One thing that's worth noting, we're talking about this on September 11th, 25 years ago, we sort of started the cycle of wherever wars. And it was very notable that previous Republican conventions had paid tribute to the troops, had paid tribute to those who went to serve. And this really wasn't mentioned. Because, let's be honest, it bad news. It's bad news. It's bad news for Donald Trump this war cannot be ended. It's getting worse. Although he's revisited the war in his speech at the Pentagon. So we know that he was, he was both basically frozen out of the New York Memorial Service, where the previous presidents were all gathered. So you had George W. Bush, you had the Clinton's, you had Obama. And you had Joe Biden's. I wonder if Donald Trump looks at them and thinks, oh, it's the president's club and they're all hanging out without me. And now they are laughing at me because I've done this thing of starting a war that I said I wouldn't do. And now I can't get out of it. And now even my closest allies, Marco Rubio's secretary of state and Pete Hegg's Earth and JD Vance, obviously, the vice president have let it slip that they think it's going to go on to the end of my term. Well, you know, everybody, everybody who has watched those very moving commemorations down at ground zero, for many years, I've noted that one of the points is it's not about politicians, it's not about the politics, it's about the names of those who died. And it is always every year, it's tremendously moving to just hear those names being read from A all the way through. And you know, Donald Trump wasn't going to be allowed to make a speech. He has denied reports that he demanded to make a speech, but he hasn't denied that he wanted to make a speech. Well, and he made his speech and then said, right, he went to the picture and he made his speech. Yeah, he was, I mean, he was honestly pretty low energy. It appears that after his speech, in fact, was spotted appearing to dose off. And he was reading off the teleprompter, which he never does well, and he weirdly referred to the date of atrocities date that is extra everybody's memory. He referred to as 2001. We will always remember the victims and the families of September 11th, 2001, very famous date, unfortunately, right. Instead of 2000, because he was reading, he wasn't prepared. Well, he'd obviously not read it before, right? And he kept veering off, very clearly veering off with his sort of visceral descriptions of what happened and how if you were related to someone who died in 9/11, you could listen to that and not be appalled by him trying to cheapen the drama of it. And then, as he appeared to dose off at the end, as they were reading out the names of the dead at the Pentagon, I'm sure he found it very tedious because it's not about him. It's not about him, and this is, you know, this is a date that is not about anybody here that is still alive. It's about those who died and those who were bereaved. Right. And those who ran to, who ran to, to help and many of them are now suffering as well. None of that, none of that relates to the world of Donald Trump. Right. Just, we know, and I'm not going to crawl inside his head. We thought it's Michael Wolfe. But there has never been a moment in all of Trump's time as president in which that empathetic I feel you're in rule of the president has been one that he could adopt. Well, he did have one school, which is that his wife turned up and sat next to him. I was wondering if Natalie Hart would be sitting next to him, the human printer. Okay, she had some late minute printout. Some new memes. Yeah, some new memes. Yes. But Melania actually had a rare showing as we know we've been chronicling Melania's presence. We've been auditing her time as first lady and it turns out she's the least visible first lady of the century, we're recording this on Friday morning and she was at the Pentagon ceremony with him. She was at the Pentagon. She did not speak, but not at all surprising. That's the first public appearance that she has made this month. She also had a private appearance earlier in the week. And we're being slightly from September the 11th year, but I think it was recording. It was a surreal occasion. She spoke in the Rose Garden to the White House Historical Association and she spoke about the value of design and legacy and the irony that she was standing where her husband had concreted over Jackie Kennedy's Rose Garden upon a few hundred yards from where her husband had destroyed the East Wing. And just behind where the Rose Garden is is the portico which he has adorned with pictures of former presidents and covered in gold. And then it's just beside the Oval Office which of course is now bedecked in so much gold that it's a miracle it hasn't collapsed under its own weight and she lectured on the importance of design and beauty. So very strange I would like to discuss the value of design. I mean, it's so peculiar that I know what he was alerted to this in advance, so no reporters there. They put out a short video on social media. I think even her team must have realized that I mean, come on, it's somewhere beyond parody. Right. The White House, your husband is desecrated and talk about beauty and design. Well, perhaps she likes the new helipad. She may be a fan of the new helipads. Right. She likes it. Although you think awful or quickly. Well, I was going to say, and also she's the one that has to walk across the lawn in those very high stilettos, you know, good job, Melania, because that's quite hard. It's an un celebrated role of the first lady to wear heels on the lawn. I'm still pretty to the no retired and now retired and now retired. So, yeah. And in fact, one of Trump's reasons he said for paving over the paradise of Jackie O's Rose Garden was that ladies couldn't stand in their heels. Yes. They were puncturing the lawn with their stilettos. I guess Democrats probably wore, you know, wedges because they're more castles. Burkins. Burkins. We're really old ones. Not the new trendy ones. Right. Original Berkins. The original Berkins. Yes. Oh dear. We're falling for memes. We're falling for tropes. We're falling for cliches of what I think might become a meme on the day. Democrats for the Democrats, though, is what happened at the end of Trump a loser, the MTCs. And we have some pretty remarkable video. Okay, let's let's show MTCs. It's just what you want to see when you're boasting that it's filled to the rafters. It's filled to the rafters, except it's not there's an entire tier that is completely empty and they're selling merch at half price. Yes. So what happened after Trump ranted about MTCs? Well, he left, obviously, and he was flying back to DC and stopped on, you know, on the way and the way onto his grift force one, the goal plane was waiting, fueled up, ready to go. The one that the emergency shoot came off. Yes, no emergency shoots came off this time. No catering trucks were at hand. Could there have been a better metaphor for him on his way to Trump a loser than the emergency shoot suddenly being triggered on his right, grift force all needed was a lot of Republicans, grift are going down the shoots. Right, no, it was a fantastic metaphor. But he stopped to take questions from the press and he looked, just be honest, he looked old, he would sweaty, he looked as sheaveled. Well, he's also had a week of bad hair because when he was going out with the emergency shoot in the background, he also stopped to do an impromptu press conference. It was very windy. His flap of hair blew up and you could see the scalp. I think you could see the scars from the scalp reduction that Jeffrey Epstein told Michael Wolf, Donald Trump had had. And then you could see this kind of weird construction where he's got bits of hair here that are then attached to the other bits. It's all very odd, but it was very. Yes, normally he keeps that stuff hidden. Yes, it was very much on display. It was as if the wizard of odds had been revealed and he was bald. He's bald off the wizard of bald. Yeah, the wizard of bald hair is not real people, just in case it's not real. And although someone's there was a very funny meme of someone saying they'd seen it breathing. And I think I've seen it walking around Central Park on its own early in the morning. So it's to get his head up, so yeah, because it's going to be sitting on his scalp all day anyway, we die. We digress. So he stops for an impromptu press conference and he takes a couple of questions. And then he is asked by Rachel Scott of ABC News about these $5,000 checks. And we have got the we have got the clip. It's almost a reward for the people having to put up with violence. Thank you. Wow, not you, not you. And then the way he pushes his face, you can see people are intimidated by him. Michael Wolf talks a lot about how Trump uses his physicality, which is obviously shrinking now and he's sort of curving over, but you could see it there. And then Stephanie Grisham, which that we mentioned earlier, exed out tweeted out, Oh, I know that face. I know that face. We rarely get such an obvious insight of what is going on inside the site. And the lunch, the way that he moves forward, if you're if you're listening on Apple or on Spotify or podcasts, what we saw with Trump is that he will get real lunges forward towards Rachel Scott. He's slightly taller, I think than Rachel Scott, despite, as you say, he's shrinking. He was, he was a reasonably large man. He was not quite as tall as he said he was, but he was still, he's still a big guy, right? He's probably six, two and he's white. He says he's six. He's certainly white. I think realistically looking at it, he's now below six feet. We've seen pictures of him with people who are genuinely six foot. We saw him, you know, we've seen him with pictures of people who are six foot two. He's clearly not, right? So the people who six foot, he's slightly under. I think he's on his way down as posture is clearly an issue. Right, but he launched towards her. And he's a growling might be the word, the way that he's saying it, not you, not you. And Rachel Scott is not the first target of this sort of thing, not the first woman to be targeted, but he actually has very specific history with her. They have, I was going to say they have clashed, they have not clashed. He has gone after her for the way that for questions that are completely legitimate that he doesn't like, started at the National Association for Black Journalists in 2024 when he was campaigning. And he uncorked, I think we'll probably all remember this extraordinary tirade against Carmen Harris, saying I didn't know she was black. She just, I just discovered she was black. Is she black or is she indeed incredibly offensive? And Rachel Scott quite rightly called him out and asked him what he meant. And he left the stage early. And afterwards, the NAB, the National Association of Black Journalists said that she had received death threats, but we're clearly from his followers, but that has not put her off. She has been able to keep going after him. She asked him in the Oval Office about the deaths of 18 service members in his war in Iran. And he described it as small potatoes. And he again, she challenged him on how's that small potatoes. And again, this, you know, this prompted an angry response. But this is, without doubt, this is, I think the physicality of this anger, we are seeing something more disinhibited, I would guess is probably a way to look at it. Is Trump unraveling? I think, yes, we have seen evidence this week that suggests he's unraveling. We saw, if we go back to the Labor Day weekend, dozens and dozens and dozens of unhinged social media posting, we, I know you've discussed them with Michael Wolfe, we've talked about David Rothkoff, the one that jumps out of course is him in an animation attacking Mark Carney, the Canadian Prime Minister with a hockey stick. There are other ones, one spot and international incident because he wanted to take over Iceland. And there was just this series of things. He was obviously up late, he was, you know, he was posting untruth social late at night. His family were not around him, rather notably over this Labor Day weekend. And we've rolled into this Trump, Trump of loser, this mega fire fest, two speeches, not one, you know, this sort of this very public going after Rachel Scott, which is atrocious. And then this morning, falling asleep, doing the names, I think it's, it's impossible to see that this is anything other than a revelation of character and unraveling and opening up of Trump in a way that we have not seen before, not even during the appalling, this handling of COVID, when it was clear that his administration then was teetering on the brink, not even after January the 6th, when people deserted him, this is, this is different, this is much more public. The anger is at the surface, the crazy is at the surface. And the desertion of his own party as well, there was nothing for Republicans act, the Republican meeting in Dallas. So Hugh, let's take a pledge at the Daily Beast that we will continue to cover Donald Trump with neither fear nor favor. Thank you very much. I always feel guilty tearing you away from the news room because I know there is so much to do. There is a lot to do. There's other things, and I'll just say on the Daily Beast, www.TheDailyBeast.com right now, we're covering other news for Donald Trump, which is not great, the economy, which he has got problems with and we're covering that in depth. And we're also covering the commemorations of September the 11th. And one of the things what's seeing is that the contrast, I think we've seen in between Donald Trump, falling asleep at the Pentagon and there was four living ex-presidents being there, is probably the moment that I think we should all refight on as we go forward. Yeah, and I would just say I was down in, I mean, I lived downtown, but I was right down in Friday last night having dinner at a couple of restaurants, actually, a double dinner last night. And just thought to myself, what an extraordinary job the city has done in rebuilding that whole area and it's vibrant, there's an arts center, the memorial is a huge tourist attraction now. And, you know, 25 years ago when we were both here, it wasn't possible to think about how the city would be rebuilt and how people would survive. We all really thought that this was some, some crushing ball. All right, an existential blow to New York City and it turns out that New York City is bigger than any one particular terrorist event. Let's hope anyway. And it was sort of thrilling to be downtown knowing that actually 25 years on the city is more vibrant than ever. I think, you know, maybe, maybe we should all reflect on that, that you know what we saw this week at this Dallas event was dark and what we saw with this attack on Rachel Scott was dark. Maybe we can reflect that there is the possibility of resilience and redemption here too. Huey, profound words for Friday morning, it's time to get back to the newsroom. Thank you for joining us if you have. 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