This Is Bad for Trump, Disaster for GOP...

All right. Joining me today is progressive strategist and co-founder of Justice Democrats, Corbin Trent, Corbin. Welcome to I've had it studios. I imagine you've had it with quite a bit. Well, I've had it for a long time, too. I know. You live in Tennessee. I do, yes. Around a lot of MAGA. Yeah, and yeah, a lot of around a lot of MAGA, but the most frustrating thing about Tennessee is that for, I looked up the other day, for 136 years, Democrats ran the roofs there. We had majorities, didn't try to affect us even until like 2004. And then we had five of nine U.S. House seats until 2010, you know. So that's the frustrating thing to me about living like Tennessee, West Virginia, places like that is that it used to be democratic strongholds back when it was the racist Democrats, but then even beyond that, too. Working class Democrats. Isn't that one of the biggest lies aside from Trichodon economics that Republicans have successfully done is walked into these working class rule communities and said, we care about you. Yeah. And it's frustrating as hell. Yeah. And I think one of the footholds they had where I was at is the churches, you know, totally. Because like, when I couldn't remember being a kid, I'm 46. I remember being a kid and like they were passed around videotapes at the time of like the Clintons being, you know, like secret killers and all this stuff. Like, and then that sort of ability to communicate and spread these ideas and ideologies was just so strong. And then just as technology got better and better, that, you know, got easier and easier to do. And these same people were wound up like cheap clocks over Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. And they seemed not to care one bit about Donald Trump Epstein files. And we could go on and on about all the sexual depravity and the Republican party right now. It's unreal. Even the socialism stuff that they're going on about. Like I was just reading the scale of socialism, you know, countries in the world. We've never been out of the bottom three of socialism. And now with Trump and all of his buying in of companies and all the things that he's been doing that are actually more, you know, government control of corporations and companies, we're like 16 now, you know. So there's actually no ideology or ideas that they're attached to, whether it's debt and spending, whether it's sexual depravity, whether it's criminality, you know, like the thing you hear about, about immigration all the time is, well, they committed a crime. We have to have law and order, you know, the rules have to matter. Well, the dude was convicted of 34 crimes. They're obviously they're going through so much open corruption. Like, you know, there's been government corruption for a long time. You know, it's not an unusual thing. But this level of like open willingness to commit this level of, you know, of corruption, it's wow. Then so no, they don't care about shit. No, we do have socialism for corporations right now and always have and banks are bailed out. All of these people are bailed out constantly. But the American worker is never bailed out. And you go into the lion's den a lot on Fox. That's where people live right now watch it. And I want to play for my audience. So they're familiar with your work. And I think it's so good, the optics and the audio of your accent on Fox news. I think you and Jess guitar loves this is really important work. So let's play the clip. $1.34 is what a gallon of diesel cost down the road, you know, $7.15 a pound for beef is what I made lasagna the other night. It cost $54 for me to make some lasagna for the family. 54 bucks. Socialism. Socialism. How does big government socialism solve the economic struggles of Americans? I'm so glad you asked. Well, how does that work? Well, for example, in my region of East Tennessee, it built things like the Tennessee Valley Authority, the nation's most popular state owned energy system in the entire country. What else did it build? Well, the hillburton act built hundreds and hundreds of hospitals all across this country. Well, it built the interstate highway system. It built fire systems, all of those opportunities. You're getting for failed system. I want to get Michael in here, but I love they call it the failed system. Yeah, the system that built America is failed. Yeah. Well, he knows the audience. They just will go along with that. But I do think it's important that people like you go on to Fox News because there's no chance of these people ever hearing the truth about what diabolical liars the Republican party is. Yeah, no, that's why I go, I spent a lot of time on Newsmax, News Nation, Fox. I did the Hannity the other day. How's that? I mean, he's one of the things I'm misread about Hannity. It reminded me of watching the Colbert show back in the day is that there's a character. So Colbert played a character. So if you went on Colbert show and tried to talk to Stephen, you're going to make a fool yourself because Stephen's not there. It's, you know, it's the character. And I went on trying to have a conversation with a human being for a second. And there's no human being there. There's this, there's this Hannity character that he portrays on TV. And so I, you know, I'll do it differently next time, but it was, you know, it was pointless. Yeah. It was, you know, you're not really discussing ideas. You know, he doesn't want to hear about, oh, we're going to spend $6 trillion this year on health care. And we're going to, you know, still be in the bottom 30 of OECD nations. He doesn't want to have, like it's a commitment to staying where we're at, but a, you know, because he's got 900 rental houses. I mean, of course he wants to stay where we're at. He's doing really, he makes 50 some million dollars a year. He loves it. Like, why would he not want to? And there seems to be a commitment by a lot of people to want to stay where we're at. On both sides, you have Republicans that for sure want to cling onto this. And then you have Democrats that corporate Democrats that want to cling on to where we are. And I saw this clip over the weekend of James Carvel and I just about died, play the clip. It's pretty much what you want to do. However, I would be disappointed if it becomes any to our 25 house seats. That would be, that would almost be, I would rather the Republicans keep the house by five than the Democrats went by five. Because if that happens, they're hostage to the DSN. Like, Hawkeen cannot move. There's no place for him to go. Even if you have a close Senate, Federman would keep Schumer, tapped out this mall all night. So I think this is one of these races where margin matters a lot. Yeah. Margin is up. Winning big is how most is big is winning, which is weird, but it's a nightmare, 225. Yeah, it's a good point. What kind of shape are the Democrats in? When somebody like James Carvel just said, and light of what we're seeing, corruption on the scale that we've never seen, the erosion of civil liberties on the scale we've never seen, the court is completely corrupt, the Supreme Court. You have all of these men from Hannity to the Speaker of the House, who's number one goal every day is to assuage the ego of our dictator. And he says he would rather see that Republican party that I just barely scratched the surface on, win by five. Where, I mean, I just about fell over when I saw that. The commitment that we don't call these establishment neoliberal sort of stay the course Democrats, they are more in line with the economics, even of this Republican party, then they are in the economics of a transformational solution that fixes things for people. Because the problem is, and I think it's kind of interesting, it's unfortunate, but the thing that really gets people excited or interested or paying Indigenous politics is when they're economically hurting, when there's wars, these big extreme things. And it is what it is. And right now, people are paying attention, and they want something different. They want change. And I think that people have been really asking for change since Obama, and they've just repeatedly not gotten that change. And so they've gotten the voter has gotten more and more willing to go to what would seem like extremes, which I think Trump is definitely an extreme, right? But I think what drew people to Trump wasn't just the fact that he was racist or sexist or a rapist or all these things. I think it was actually in spite of those things. What drew people to Trump was that he was, he seemed like a wrecking ball. He seemed like someone with enough disregard for institutions and systems to overthrow those things that have been sort of like, you know, holding people back or extracting from their lives. And I think James Carville and Democratic Party realized that there is still this appetite out there, and they don't want elements of their party, you know, sort of navigating the party back to its sort of more FDR roots and these solutions, because the status quo is good. I mean, James Carville is doing great. He's in his 80s, he's living life. He's living large. You know, Barack Obama is doing great. All the, you know, Nancy Pelosi, God bless her. She's doing good. And so when you look at the bottom 80% of America, so few of those people are actually, they're not in Congress, you know, the bottom 80 doesn't make it to Congress. They don't make it into, they're not state directors of parties and the Democratic, they get to go to, I went to a thing called the, I don't know, it was a fundraiser for the Knoxville Democratic Party and all its food and everybody was happy. And you know, that's what these things are like, you know, so for that kind of a life, you do want things to say stable and consistent. They're going to say things like, oh, the debt needs to be rained in or they're going to, you know, they're going to be serious and they want a team to get in there with the majority. I would rather see, I know where Carville's coming from. I want to see a five-seat majority because I want these newly elected people like Malak Kuros and, you know, all the ones that were in New York to have more power. And in a 25, 30-seat majority, they won't, you know. And you want those people to have more power because those people are people powered, not corporations powered. And I I think that when I see that messaging, I view the Hawking Jefferies, the Chuck Schumer, all of these people is preservationists. They want to preserve this system that got us Trump twice. Because like you said, they're doing really well in the system. And so we have a lot of inner bickering going on the Democratic Party right now. And over the weekend, we had Medi Hassan debate near at Tandon and Georgetown. And near at Tandon, I saw some analysis online where she spends more money, not more money. She sends out more tweets like attacking Hassan Piker than she does mic Rogers or attacking progressive candidates. Then she does these horrible, horrible magick candidates. A lot of them, either allegations of sexual abuse, child sexual abuse against them or they're in the Epstein files. I mean, you know, actual connections to Nazis. Actual, literal Nazis, exactly. So she spends a lot of her time doing this. And she runs a think tank where they don't announce any of the donors to it. She says that's protect them from Trump. That's what she says. But here's Medi and Nira over the weekend, or maybe a few days ago, play the clip. - And you did a very friendly, nice hosting of the Prime Minister. - Did you watch the whole debate? - I did. - You saw my three questions on the settlements. And you saw him get angry at the third question. - He got angry at everyone. That doesn't mean your question. - Well, I mean, he was pretty angry at that one. - Nira, Nira. - Nira, I know there are cap staff here in the audience. You know at the time, cap staff complained internally that you did a softball interview. They actually did a piece. - There were some people who did do that. - They did a piece on the website saying, 10 falsehoods, and you know who told it cap, with you didn't challenge. The interview ended with you saying to him, do you remember how the interview ended? - I said that the things that the Israeli Army has done for LGBTQ people. - You said we can, we can, what can progressives learn from Israel's military? It's been so inclusive to women. A military that has been accused of strip searching and sexually assaulting women. - I agree that I think Benjamin Hanyahu is a horrible person. I want to say the reason why we hope-- - Okay, so basically she is claiming moral authority over certain people in the left flank of the party. When she is cozyed up with Benjamin Hanyahu, I wore a regime that targets little kids with snipers for sport who has killed over 300 journalists will not allow journalists to go in. In the American public, both sides, the Republicans and the Democrats, there is bipartisan support that we do not want to spend money with this blood thirsty Israeli government. And I just am so tired of when I get on X, which I don't that often, but when I do, I see people like her attacking the people who were fighting for universal human rights or universality. - Yeah, you know, I'm lucky to, I knew that I'd said something right when she blocked me on X, but I was really excited by that. - That is really exciting. - Yeah, you know, at least you know you're coming up when Neira Hanyahu blocks you. It's bizarre to me to see like there's a handful of places where people really plant their flag, right? And some people, it's like healthcare and Medicare for all are a universal system. With Neira, it's definitely Israel, you know, for whatever, that's really where I think she spins a lot of her time that's where she goes after a son in his demonization of genocide and things like that. But I think it's, you're right that it is becoming very bipartisan now. The lack of support for Israel, the support more for the Palestinians, like that is a thing that's starting to flip, you know, and this is very new. The other thing that's starting to flip here is whether or not we see any aid, not just military aid to Israel, any money at all. And what's happening in both parties is that the leadership is getting left behind, leadership a cap, leadership of the think tanks, leadership of the organizations, because people are saying, hey, I don't wanna be party to this. I don't wanna see, you know, this kind of death and carnage done with my dollars and my support, 'cause it's not just money and weapons that we gave them, we gave them all sorts of support, you know, politically with a UN, we've given them all sorts of support for years, and not for nothing, at least according to Marco Rubio on day one, one of the big reasons we're in this war with Iran is because Netanyahu drug us into it. - Right. - I mean, that's what the man said. - Did you see what Trump just said if, how just transactional everything is for him? If you do not support, if you do not elect, Benjamin Netanyahu, teftitties weren't I helping you all anymore. - Right, I mean, it's wild, I mean-- - Right, and we've been told, I mean, for decades, my whole life, I mean, we Israel is our ally, and Trump, just like that, can drop it just like a ton of bricks when-- - You wanna send other Ukraine too, right? - Oh, exactly, he's doing the exact same thing with Ukraine, and let's just talk about just what cowards, all of these national security Republicans are, that right now you have the United States colluding with Benjamin Netanyahu. I'm sorry, well, they are colluding with him, but also with Vladimir Putin, who is the ally of Iran. - Right. - So we are funding our opponent in the war that we started. The money that we give to Russia inevitably will help because they're helping Iran. - They were, they had a meeting yesterday or today, between foreign dignitaries of Iran and Russia, and they talked about the war. And yeah, I mean, absolutely, and that's one of the things that frustrates me is that I'm told by my government that Iran is my enemy, that Russia is my enemy. You know, they've got an enemy's list, right? And I'm supposed to respect as an American that these are my enemies, right? I don't go to bed worrying about some Iranians breaking into my house, I don't go to bed worrying about Russians nuking me anymore. This is not a thing that I worry about. And yet I'm supposed to understand that our foreign policy or military, the death and carnage that we bring across the world is in, you know, is in response to the enemies abroad. But then, you know, I have to find out that we also fund those same people. We support those same people when it suits us, right? That we, you know, that it's very complicated, Corbin, you have to understand that, you know, you don't get all the ends in the outs. This is 3D chess we're playing here, you know? And, but what it looks like it boils down to is the interest of a handful of people, the interest of a handful of companies, the interest of a, you know, why is it, for example? Here's what I know about Israel. I know that there was rampant anti-Semitism when Israel was founded. And that's why the British were excited about it. That's why the, I mean, America turned away people during the Holocaust that were coming here in boats trying to get away from the Holocaust. I know that we didn't do that out of the kindness of our heart, that we don't support Israel, out of the kindness of our heart. Well, I, so maybe I'm a cynic, but I assume that it has something to do with regional dominance over one of the most viable resources on the planet, which would be oil, right? And that we use that to keep our ability to maintain leverage over oil. And that, to me, isn't something that I'm willing to send. I've got four kids. I don't want to send any of my kids to fight and die for more oil. You know, I had friends that fought in Iraq war. And, ostensibly, that would, it sure wasn't about 9/11, you know? The country that was involved in 9/11 was Saudi Arabia. What, 14 and 19 hijackers came from there? Where was Osama bin Laden from? He was a Saudi. You know, and those are our friends, though. So, what I find so frustrating is that we're supposed to support genocides. We're supposed to support the killing of girls in schools in Iran. We're supposed to support the unyielding, unnever-ending wars and never-ending killing because of an enemy's list that our country puts together that then doesn't make any sense when you start looking at the details of that enemy's list. But anyway, I could go on for days about that. No, I completely agree with you on all of that. And I do want to talk about the reason that this comes up is because right now, we have Zoran Mamdani, who is a Muslim politician who is not a prostitute, like JD Vance. You know, he doesn't sit and take a bunch of money and say, "What trick do you want me to do today, Peter Teal? "What can I do? "You want me to change my religion? "No problem. "You don't change my name. "You got it, Betty." So, Zoran-- - I don't know how thick. (laughs) - What do you like? I just need a nice silky couch. Once I get that, I'm good. So, you have these Muslim candidates like Abdullah Sayed. And so, in order for Benjamin Netanyahu and the establishment to be able to keep the propaganda going, it is contingent upon all Muslims' erratical jihadists. And so, when you have Zoran Mamdani, they say, "Oh, he's a radical jihadist." But then I saw at the Pride parade here in New York City, he didn't just have a gay rainbow flag. He had a trans flag. So, which is he? Is he a radical fundamentalist? Islamist that wants to, you know, kamikaze shit up? Or is he does he fight for universal human rights? I think it's the latter. The same with Abdullah Sayed. So, the problem for-- this is where the Vin diagram with Naratandan and Benjamin Netanyahu is all in sync. Because if you have a Muslim like Ilhan Omar, or Abdullah Sayed that is for universal human rights, that is further outflanking a lot of the Democrats, and that's a problem for them. When I see the Democrats really need to start messaging, because I've seen so much Islamophobia thrown at these people. And to an extent, that's why they go after Hassan Pekr too. They're hoping that they can, you know, label him as this. - One of them. - Because he comes from Turkey. But the people who I see colluding with, what could be deemed as terrorists, are Jared Kushner, Whitkoff, Donald Trump. The fact that. uh the prince of Saudi Arabia order to hit on Jamal Khashoggi to be dismembered put into a barrel of acid and poured down the drain while his fiance waited outside and there's zero consequences for that and you mentioned that after 9/11 yeah none of us could fly I couldn't fly you couldn't fly but guess who got up wills up and got out of here the the relatives of Osama bin Laden right and so the people that I see that collude and hang out with terrorists are the Republicans all of the time and I think the Republicans are terrorists I just want to make sure Fox you can cut that up I think the Republicans are terrorists too they watch I mean you say hi to them your friends hey hey guys happy back and yeah I gotta see you again this is gonna go good next time I promise uh the you know and they're trying to bring that and they've actually not trying they've been bringing that same idea home right whether it's with our prisons whether it's with our police forces now it's obviously with the paramilitary force eyes but there's no question that you know we trained uh Osama bin Laden in the Mujahideen and you know like you go back to like our connection to these things that come back to our shores like you know one of the things that I find really fascinating is the clip of a son saying America deserved 9/11 now within 48 hours he had said I'm you know phrase that wrong he's twitch streamer he's going eight 10 hours I can't even imagine what that's like but you know I say crazy stuff at my house anyway what then he rephrased it and said that our foreign policy led to those events well being more likely well back then it's like a CIA term it was a term that when the 9/11 Commission looked through all the stuff they said hey obviously some of our foreign policy led to this happening we knew that it was possible for that to come back and hit us um you know that but nobody wants to talk about the the reality of that nobody wants to say there's a trade off it's such a good point and I think that's why he scares them so much because my mother who's 83 years old um not religious very progressive back when all of this stuff happened spoke about well it's our foreign policy and as trying to act like oh we're going to bring democracy like she compared it to like Christian ministries that go over and try to uh prostalize to these third world countries and we we just assume because this is done under American foreign policy it's perfect right when after 9/11 we had um Colin Powell go to the United Nations lie completely lie about a rock and then we went and invaded the wrong country on purpose um a million deaths and I remember my mother this woman from Dallas Texas saying you know American foreign policy is bound to get a lot of blowback and so I think because he brings up these topics that we should talk about we should talk about do does do our provocations and meddling abroad leave us vulnerable at home and that's before we even get to the fact that Condoleezza Rice had a memo that said been long determined to attack in the United States and so I do think that you're smart that we can't just say Hassan said it and then he condemned it is there some veracity to that's the question you have you know like we decided for example I remember there was a rule that you could only drive 55 miles an hour on the highways because of the oil embargoes and various problems right mix and did that yeah right and then they're with you know it reduced highway deaths substantially but together people decided we're willing to have more highway deaths so we don't got to go 55 right I can't drive 55 I mean we come together as a society and decide that X numbers of deaths are worth freedom I mean that is the tradeoff right there's the tradeoff that we make in lots of different places and I think it'd be more useful if we could have those discussions in open like I mean theoretically Congress has debates we have 24 hour new cycles with people all over the place talking about things right and yet we're not having discussions about what it what kind of tradeoffs are important to us is it worth it to you know blow up more like if what we're doing in Gaza right now and what we're aiding in you know with the the Israelis to do if that doesn't cause terror if that doesn't create terrorists then I can't imagine things that would right if that if seeing your entire family killed being a child without family without legs without legs having a sister that was blown to bits died near you like knowing that there was a six-year-old that was shot up knowing that there's double taps knowing that the Americans are doing the things that we're that we did in Iraq like I am surprised that there's not more attacks from terror like it tells me that it's not really one of their main focal points like you know I would like you're scaring us all the time that these terrorists are coming to get it you right now I mean I'm sure we should watch things right I agree I agree but anything that I've seen on like just TSA catch bombs and guns going into they fail right so interestingly we do catch some so I guess my long-winded point of you know we've got to be able to have conversations about when is freedom worth it right when is our foreign policy worth it what is it about blowing people up in the Middle East is it the fuel is it cheaper fuel does is that worth it is that worth the towers having came down is that worth the you know nearly 3,000 people that died that day is that worth the freedoms that we have to give up with flock cameras and all these other things that we have to be under constant surveillance less someone try to attack us are these freedoms are these lives are these dangers worth cheaper fuel right or maybe we should do things differently maybe we should actually be refined it turns out we produce more oil than then we use we just happen to export it you know I remember drill baby drill right we were learning to drill here where we are now we're drilling baby drilling except we don't own the oil it's exons it's BP's it's chevrons you know people are like if we produce the oil and the gas and the diesel then we'll be better off well no if chevron can sell it to Japan for $17 then that's what they're going to do you know like if a barrel of oil goes for $95 on the international market that's where it's going it's not America's oil now when the guy asked me what could socialism do for prices well if we did indeed have a nationalized oil industry then what that would mean is that we could say actually we need the oil here we've got an economy that's struggling right now we're going to keep prices down and do this but that's not a thing that we do either so like who does it benefit who does it benefit truly and I think that sticking with like people in our party on the left flank that say intentionally provocative things there's this notion with the establishment that this person said that you have to condemn it immediately right this is America can't we talk about provocative things can't we play the tape through and maybe acknowledge that a lot of United States foreign policy has been really detrimental we have 40 trillion dollars in debt and seriously what do we have to show for it because what I'm saying right now is our military under pete hexeth we're running out of ammunition and all sorts of shit we're getting our ass beat by a ron that Benjamin Netanyahu drug us into can't we have some conversations about what bullshit the propaganda that both parties have fed us nonstop because it's like the whole notion is look at North Korea look at how they behave and then look at these countries and how they behave but yet there's this assumed patriotism that we all have to have where we can't question it reminds me a lot of growing up probably you too growing up around a bunch of evangelicals where you have to have this blind faith and you can't ask critical questions yeah and I wonder what is your assessment on the white why are people so uncomfortable having that people that ostensibly want to be our leaders people that want to run for office people that want to be in news media people that want to be and the sort of the level of of our society where this is being discussed and thought about what do you think makes that such an uncomfortable topic for them because like even something as basic as the 40 trillion dollars in debt isn't it worth reviewing what it is that we bought with that what did that like if I got a credit card and I've got $40,000 in debt I'm gonna say goodness I should look through and see what I did because she hasn't got a happy hour somewhere you know I can't get a I can't get a guy to pay mine off so you know you've got to yeah is it the happy hours or did I buy like did I buy something useful with that that's making me money or what and in the 40 trillion dollar world we didn't buy a lot with it we bought wars right we bought some very very wealthy people you know it's not like if you go back to say the 40s and 50s when we were running major national debts what we built was like infrastructure we built factories like literal factories you know we built market share in the global economy we built things with it got a lot of guns with it too but you know that's not you know we built other stuff it's lasted that's been useful for generations and you know people say well it's so security we got you know people are getting too much like it ain't like you got a lot of people on so security that are just banking all that cash they're buying food with it man they're paying their rent with it they're you know they're buying their grandkids a Lego set maybe like what is it you want like and to pay that debt off you know what they're going to tell us to do they're going to they're going to raise interest rates which is going to cause more poverty and more pain economically among the working class and poor right they're going to say we've got to be we've got a balancer budget we're going to have to trim things like health care trim things like so security and then again it's the poor that are going to pay for it the poor have to pay for the debt that they accumulated to enrich themselves yeah it's crazy something i want to talk to you about is the speaker of the house the current speaker the house might john and because I just do not think this gets enough air time. I talk about it all the time on this podcast. Aside from the fact that he took his daughter to a purity ball and put a ring on her finger and said, your virginity's mine until I give it to your husband. Just that's fucking crazy. And then the fact that he and his son have cabinet eyes to make sure nobody's watching any gay porn. And that's weird. And he said that I take the weirdest thing is. - What was this they have a? - Oh, it's called cabinet eyes. He and his teenage son. So if I call him Moses Mike. If Moses Mike were to tap into some porn, his son would get a notification. And if the son were to watch something then Mike gets a notification. It's perfectly normal, right? You and your son are probably gonna share search history, right? That is the same toxic or enmeshed at all. - It's crazy. - So set all that aside. - Okay. - He said that God, he said this on camera. You know, it's sleep one night and God, you know, wake me up and he says, hey, little buddy, wake up. - God, tell me. - God, he says, you're gonna be Moses. Mike, our current speaker of the house says me? And the Lord said, yes. He was like, you know, so this means when God woke him up, told him he's Moses, he's gonna be speaker of the house. We have the speaker of the house who married his daughter in some weird, purity ball ceremony is exchanging Google search history with the son and make sure nobody's watching gay porn, which is weird. And then he thinks God told him he was gonna be Moses. He resides over Louisiana, his district is poor, you know, teen pregnancy. It's all the worst things that a society can have his district has all of those things. And he seems like his number one goal, this big guy who centers his faith. He makes his, he will not shut up about his faith. He recently said, they asked him what if the Democrats, when he said, well, then maybe the Lord is telling me, I should go start a lawn mowing business, which I support, by the way. But anyway, here they ask him about Trump siding with Russia. Mind you, Trump's wife Melania gave a speech saying that Vladimir Putin kidnapped 15 to 20,000 Ukrainian kids. She was mad about that. And so here we have this big Christian, Moses Mike Johnson, as I like to call him, the official name is Moses Mike Grindr Johnson. Because I mean, he thinks he thinks about gay sex all the time. He must, if he's doing, if he's doing these, the porn exchange, yeah. Yeah, all right. So here he is talking about Trump being an absolute traitor. And these are the people that lectured us our whole fucking lives about being patriots. Gotta be patriotic, yeah. They will not shut up about being patriotic. And here they are just openly hating on America, play the clip. The president's evaluating this as he does everything else. He, look, he has two major objectives, as you know, Larry every day. He wants to keep America safe and he wants to bring down the cost of living for every America. He thinks outside the box with creative ideas all the time. And he carefully evaluates those. So I think the right decision will be made here in the end. I mean, all of that is just a lie. The Trump carefully evaluates how to bring down prices for people. He said on the record, multiple times affordability is a hoax. And he also does, it didn't even say he doesn't think about it. Like anything, he does, I don't think about people's costs. - No, because he's assuring in the air of white collar criminals. There's never been a better time to be a white collar criminal than right now. - Oh, it's good money. - Yeah, my husband's a pro defense attorney. It's really bad for his business. - I bet it is. I mean, it's going to get good soon, though, probably. They're going to be a lot of them. They're going to be a lot of them out there. I think-- - So speak to number one. The fact that the Democrats are never respond that we have a man that's in a state of religious psychosis as the Speaker of the House, which is fucking nuts. And then, here he is just openly siding with Russia. - So yeah, you got Mike Johnson. You got Mike Pompeo before that. I mean, there's actually a whole cult of these people. I mean, Hickseth is an odd version of this sort of like Christian nationalist thing, right? There is like, what's interesting is, we know that there are jihadists out there. We understand that there are actually people that have taken the Muslim faith, used it to manipulate people and make them do heinous things. That's a thing that we understand. But for whatever reason, we can't connect the fact that that is the power of religion, not the power of Islam, right? Christianity has the same capacity. That Judaism has the same capacity. Faith, and especially faith mixed with poverty, faith mixed with desperation, faith, you know, that is a dangerous cocktail. And for whatever reason, the Democratic Party fears, I think, pushing back against that idea, because they think that they can't say, you know, hey, I'm not saying Christianity's bad. I'm not saying Jesus is bad, but the way Mike's using this is really dangerous. - In Tennessee, 'cause I grew up in a moment. I think if the Democrats hadn't abandoned the 50 state strategy, let's say, okay, now they're like, okay, we're gonna roll back open a 50 state strategy. 'Cause you know, blue dots in a red state, we're built different, we're tough. If the Democratic Party started right now, going into rural Tennessee and rural Oklahoma, into churches, into high school gyms, and set, the Republican Party has lied to you, and they've used the most important thing to you to do it, your faith. They have used your faith as cover to lie to you, and they started messaging it over and over, because what I see from my upbringing in Oklahoma, a lot of people that live in the suburbs of Oklahoma City, or in rural Oklahoma, what they don't have in culture, they have two identities, church, and being an American. Those are their cultural identifiers. Those two things are so important to them. The Republican Party offers a complete enmeshment of those two things. You are a Republican, and you are a Christian, and we offer you this, and it's really diabolical, the way they use it to manipulate people that they're inherently dicking over. The big, beautiful bill was the biggest transfer of wealth from these people who believe that Moses Mike is gonna fight for them, but he just Christian signals to them. He just says, if he brings up the Lord. - Virtue signaling, right? - Right, I call it Christian signaling. - Christian signaling, yeah. I mean, I think, well, you know. - What do you think that strategy for, if the Democrat started saying they're lying to you, they're using something that's important and they're lying to you? - I think that that would be a big part of it, but I'll tell you, at least my assessment on how Democrats come back is not just saying that, yes, your religion is being weaponized, these people are lying to you and manipulating you, but it's also admitting some amount of democratic participation. - I agree with that. - You know, it's like being a really alcoholic guy, and you're trying to get over, right? You can't just be like, okay, we're done now, and you're gonna blame everything else. You gotta go through this process of admitting the things, the atonement, right? And I think the Democrats, you know, back when, or back from like James Carvin, right? That sort of third-way Democrat DLC thing, this ship everything off, we don't need to do anything anymore, this continuation of Reaganomics, right? And it just invaded the Democratic Party. I think if there is no, hey, we didn't do this right either, but, you know, this is our core. This is our DNA of as a party. We're gonna go back to that. There's people in this party that still love this, that still want this, and we're gonna actually, I think, utilize your faith to go towards your goals, actually, towards your religious goals, even. I mean, I've read a lot, you know, I had, my papal was a, or my granddad, I'm a papal, my papal wasn't atheist, but my granddad was a preacher on my daddy's side, and he was a minister in the Air Force, and like, you know, his version of Jesus was that he was very much a socialist. - Right. - Like that was sort of the way. - For our skinned one, not the Republican. - Yeah, yeah, you know, like that was his, like he was like a, you know, a rebel. Like this rebel against this sort of very, you know, a hard core economic agenda there. Like, you know, he was very much into sharing. Even the, you know, the first 100, 200 years of the church was very much socially shared property, all this stuff. So, you know, it's like, I don't understand why we can't embrace the, you know, it's like religion and science, religion and politics, religion and, you know, good governance. These things could go together very well. I mean, you don't, I don't think they have to be emerged. - I just think we have to start unraveling, 'cause growing up, I remember driving by churches and seeing God wants you to vote for George Bush today. On the church marquee, and the Republican party knows what is the number one identifier of somebody's gonna vote, church attendance. And so they diabolically went in and co-opted this group, and the Democrats are gonna have to start messaging to these people. They have used something important to you and lied, but I agree with you that you're mess, I'm not a religious person, but I agree that they have to remind these people that Jesus explicitly, I mean, spoke out against the accumulation of wealth. He was very crystal clear on this. - That's a movement, I think, put in that religion that's trying to bring that back. But I think you're absolutely right, is that we've got to be able to show, hey, how are these things that they've tried to do worked out for us? They're not working. They're really Christian. - And how are they? - Yes, like what is-- - Like how are they Christian? Because they're very much, you can't worship, I think it's, I'm an atheist, but you can't worship both God and money. I believe that that is-- - I think that's said somewhere. - Yeah, I think somebody, maybe Jesus, I don't know, y'all let us know. - Somebody look it up, yeah. - Okay, I absolutely loved having you. I could talk to you forever. The next time you're in New York, text me, you've got a permanent chair right there. - All right, thank you so much. - Good luck on the dark side. - I'm going today, I think. - Hannity? - Oh, no, not yet. No, I'm going Fox later this week. - All right, good luck. We'll be watching. (upbeat music)