This Alien Was Treated By Doctors! - James Fox | DEBRIEFED ep. 70

Eu não sei o que pessoas pensam sobre esse documentário se eles não se assistem. Se você se assistem, é tudo que se assistem. Eu não sei o que se assistem. a colada com medo. Some of the most compelling eyewitness testimony infiu a alien being. "It was like an entire family and they all saw this object and it was really big, shaped like a disc, zero noise." A police chief saying, "Yeah, there was aliens." "The alien was alive in this bed right there." And so they came up, I don't know, two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning and they came out there and they saw this cigar shape, the submarine Todos os nossos animais estavam feitos. E ele disse que a cara e o cara, o que o cara, o cara, o cara, o cara, o cara, o cara, o cara, o cara. E ele disse que a cara, o cara, o cara, o cara. E ele disse que a cara, o cara, o cara. E ele disse que a cara, o cara. 6 anos de agosto. particular a neurosurgeon. - An active neurosurgeon. - An active. - An active. - An active. - An active. - An active. - Who's putting his entire career on the line to say, "I had face-to-face contact." Telepath the communication for three to four minutes with an alien. - Hi, my name's Alex, and I'm February 22, 2022. I was working as a crew member on a TV show at Austin Studios in Austin, Texas. E no dia-a-se, nós precisamos de um crafe que estava em um direto de 156º. Um dos 3,000 metros de estúdio. Foi um churro de churros que era crescendo, e o color de white e white, e um corredor de corredor. Se nós nos vemos um crafe, há 5 minutos, e nós nos vemos um crafe de white, um churro de salto, sobre o parque de uma hora de 1,000 metros. Quando nós nos traímos, o crafe se apareceu. Never saw it again that day. 5 weeks later, on March 31, 2022, I witnessed the craft in the same location at the same studio. At a height of about 1000 feet and it was massive, it was about the size of the coach bus, spinning in the same clockwise direction with no decals, no windows, no visual science propulsion, moving in the same clockwise direction towards the horizon. Eu também estou assistindo isso com dois outros crençadores na hora e eu não tinha mais explodência do que ele. Ladies and gentlemen, antes de chegar em hoje's video, eu quero introduz um clip exclusivo que nós já temos sido criados de James Fox. Esse clip é o Dr. Itelo Venturelli, que era o neurosurgeon, que, realmente, telepathically communicated with this being as it was lying in the hospital bed. I also want to say that this was not abundantly clear in James's documentary, but many people have addressed this online afterwards, that Italo had in fact kind of changed his story, where initially he said he'd seen a video of the being and now he says that he was in the room with the being. The reason for that from what I understand is that he did not want to thrust himself into the limelite. Many people working at that same hospital obviously felt the same by keeping their privacy and anonymity. They would remove themselves from any potential harm to their career or to their lives. After suffering a near fatal heart attack and also losing his partner, earlier Italo had a change of heart in Em aquele momento, e decidiu ser concluído em o que exatamente ele disse. Agora, ele põe o seu reputamento na linea, com um neurosurgeon. Ele é alguém que você poderia encontrar, para operar em seu brain para 13 horas de distância. E, como nós finavamos depois, em nosso interview, foi realmente feita, por isso, os seus próximos comentários, priormente, ao release do documentário. E eles, se resta a sua posição, porque o hospital não poderia funcionar para sua capacidade de sua capacidade. Então, se você está pensando que ele não está feito para ser um doctor, porque de essas claves, você já saiu a sua mistake, e ainda está practicando o surgeon. Eu vou deixar o vídeo para o seu próprio e seu original de linguagem para convém, com os seus entesos, os cadens e os genuíngulos, a mensagem, Depois que o podcast vai começar, por favor, me adorou esse mensagem do Dr. Itado Ventarelli. E em 1996, no dia 20 de janeiro, eu fui chamado para ver um paciente. E quando eu fui ver, não era um ser do nosso planeta. Que fui chamado eventualmente para dar a minha opinião sobre o caso. E eu vi o caso sobre o ponto de vista médico. Consciente, sendor, sem sangramento, respirando bem. Muito calmo, muito tranquila. Parecia uma criança de uns 7 anos. Branquinho. Não tinha mal cheiro. Acabei assim a grande, mas em forma de gota. Boca pequenininha. Uma das mãos estava dentro do campo e outra para fora. O olho não era vermelho, estava ali lá. Também em forma de gota. E me olhou de uma maneira muito tranquila. Não estava agitado, não estava agressivo, não estava com dor. E na minha opinião, eu não estava com medo também. Na minha opinião, eu estava entendendo o que estava acontecendo ali. É um olhar muito bonito de ver. Um olhar assim sem julgamento. Duas vezes ele olhou para mim, olhou para a janela. Olhou para mim, outra vez. Eu sentia assim, eu fiquei próximo dele, um metro e meio. Eu não toquei dele, mas eu fiquei próximo. E a maneira de olhar é uma maneira assim que ele parece que era uma inteligência maior. O que é a humana. O que estava entendendo, apesar de ele estar assim na situação de defesa. Ele não estava com medo, ele estava entendendo o que estava acontecendo. Possivelmente ele deveria ter algum propósito, alguma coisa para estar fazendo o que ele estava fazendo. E a verdade é que eu sou testemunho ocular. Eu vi o ser assim. Pode falar o que for, brincam, zombam. Fala uma porção de coisas, mas eu vi ali, deitado na minha frente. É importante as pessoas saberem que não estamos falando de dinheiro. Estamos falando de uma coisa que muda o conceito da humanidade. Que é um ser de um outro local. Eu fui lá, não fui procurar, eu fui lá por um chamado, num acaso. Vem um outro paciente, eu vi. Eu acho importante as pessoas saberem que sim. Quem fala que viu, quem viu se passou na vi. Nós vimos mesmo. E não é fácil ficar aqui na feita da câmera falando sobre isso. Que perguntam, perguntam, perguntam. Parece que a gente está mentindo, se tem que insistir. Já jurei que vi mesmo e vi. Quero que os seres mais novos acreditem que existe assim. Bem, isso parece familiar. É isso. É quase um ano. É quase um ano. É quase exatamente um ano. Na verdade, em janeiro, eu ia fazer um ano. Se você graça-se com a sua presença aqui no "Skiff" James Fox, bem-vindos. Obrigado por ter me olhando antes de começar. Eu tenho que dizer uma coisa. Isso vai ser a primeira. "Sesão de chasse" "Sons de chasse" "Sons de chasse" Ok. "How long have you been rehearsing this and how long have you been holding it from me?" Oh! One of years? That's crazy. Crazy French tongue twister for all of you that thought the video was glitching. É, eu não sabia. Eu não sabia como sua Francia foi. Obrigado. Muito bem. Muito perigem. Muito perigem. Muito perigem, né? Você tem muito tempo. Eu pensava em Paris. Sim, por que? 2 anos. Wow. Você pegou isso em 2 anos? É muito bom. Eu realmente perigou a minhaself. Eu tinha um romeiro que não conheci a inglês que foi uma grande frustrante. O nome é André Laviec. E a primeira, 3 ou 5 meses, particularly when we were arguing over something, I was so frustrated because I was like, "I couldn't communicate with this guy, and English wasn't on the table at all." Wow. But, after 5 or 6 months, it really. Plus, I was going to school. Yeah. And so, that really helped. And I wanted to learn it. I liked that you fold and he didn't. He's like, "This is Paris. I will not speak English." We got into an argument. Ok. I like chocolate. I'm a huge chocolate fan, as you know it's last night. I like chocolate. I like chocolate. And he's like, "Oh, he's like. You fold. You fold. Let them put cell, "O Tsui, Saffet, Sartier Le Vregue." Yeah. So you have to put salt on your chocolate. Put dark chocolate, maybe, yeah. It brings out, but I didn't want salt. This is like years ago, nobody put the salt on their chocolate. I was like, no, I don't want salt on it. It goes, well, then you cannot have, you know, so we got this argument. So every time I see chocolate with salt on top, I think of this guy, Andre, love the egg and he's like, well, fine, you're not, you know, you take it so stupid. Amazing. Anyway, speaking of chocolate, let's segue to aliens. Yes, sir. You, sir, have just released the next phase of moment of contact by the time this phase. Yes. And which is, you know, for me, possibly the most convincing case of not only crash retrieval, but of being interaction that I've ever heard, it is, I am, I will say with confidence, I'm not one to sling around, I believe or I don't believe, I am at, as near 100% conviction that this is true as I can possibly be, especially after this latest iteration. And it is an update to the previous moment of contact. What's the full title? It's, it's moment of contact and then call in new revelations of alien encounters. Yeah. Unbelievable, unprecedented interviews with, you know, for anyone out there thinking, oh, it's just some town's folk and a farmer and a, no. And by the way, I believe farmers too, no slight the farmers, I actually believe them a lot more than most people, but we're talking pathologists, we're talking neurosurgeons who are ahead of multiple hospitals, we're talking police chiefs. We're talking really the most credible people that a community could produce. Absolutely. And all of this happened almost exactly 30 years ago. Yeah. If you don't mind, I kind of like to just back up a moment here because, you know, I think it's important for people to realize, like, I didn't just believe it because I heard like, oh, UFO crash and civilians. In fact, it was quite the opposite. When I heard about this case, I was working on my second, my second UFO documentary turned out to be out of the blue. And I've said this before and I'm going to say it again, I heard about it through my partner that we were producing out of the blue with and he's like, oh, mate, you know, we got to look into this crash case in Brazil, you know, and these live aliens walking through the town and I just, sounds absurd. I couldn't have dismissed it faster. I mean, it was like, yeah, your nuts, I'm not going to spend one second looking into that absolute garbage of a case. And I remember probably, I mean, I made it, I made out of the blue, okay, didn't look into it. I made one thing about it that at a blue came out that I made another documentary. I know what I saw, which took me probably three or four years. And that was a two hour special for the history channel. And at the end of that, I got invited to give a presentation in Brazil on the film I'd done. I know what I saw. And a really good friend of mine who's been very influential behind the scenes and helping me get, you know, distribution and stuff like that and never wanted credit, never wanted a penny. His name was Jeff Suganski, and they had a lot of respect for him, very high up on the entertainment industry food chain. And he's like, oh, Jane, you're going to Brazil. This is years later. Yeah. You're going to Brazil. Oh, you got to look into that, that, you know, that UFO crash case, live aliens in Varsinian I thought he was persistent. God. No, there's another guy. Oh, yeah. Okay. So my other partner was your second sign. He was a second. Well, yeah. So he tells me and I was like, God, not this case. I had so much respect for him and he was so helpful and influential that I just said, yeah, Jeff. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'll definitely look into that for you for absolutely. Yeah. For sure. All right. You take care. Goodbye. Click. Yeah. I'm not taking this. I'm not going to waste one second on that ridiculous case. Jeff changed your life. I just really want people to understand like how opposed to this case I was. And I was making UFO documentaries like I just totally completely respect any skepticism. All I ask is that the people suspend judgment. Absolutely. And just listen to the firsthand, I went to test money because it's riveting. In your defense, somebody saying crash sauce or crash craft, beings running around town, most people would have the same reaction. You weren't confronted with the amount of evidence that you've compiled. Yeah. When, you know, this was brought to your attention. Nobody came up to you and said, well, there's a head neurosurgeon that actually will testify that he looked at the live being in the eyes for several minutes and had telepathic communication with him. You weren't told, oh, there's a pathologist that once they did the test on the bacteria determine that this is nothing like they've seen in their entire careers. And these guys have been working for 45 years as professional pathologists and have done a million, you know, biological tests and have never seen anything. This isn't, you weren't confronted with a police chief saying, yeah, there was aliens. This was all prior to that. So I think you're forgiven. I think most people would have felt the same way. But things have changed. You've been to Brazil over 15 times. Well, how many times I've gone, I'll, by the time this air, I would have been there three times this year alone. Three times this. You've been going for 15 years. What a mess. Yes. 15, 16 years. Yeah. We're not believing it. In fact, quite the contrary, I reluctantly, after meeting with, with Stanton Friedman, who just so happened to be in the same place I was invited to the same conference I was the first time. And I was like, you know, he was high conviction on it too. He's like, he's like, oh, James, you know, because somehow it came up at the conference. And we're in a place called Petrui B to the south of South Paulo, who's on the coast. In fact, I know it was on the coast. And he's like, oh, yeah, you know, you heard about the case. And I was like, oh, God, I started rolling my eyes and I was like, yeah, I've heard about it. But, you know, come on, live aliens walking. And then Stanton's like, no, man, you should look into that. It's in Stanton is the reason why him and a handful of others that we, you know, Kevin Randall and Don Schman. We're in John Mack. Well, we know that we know about. Well, of course. Yeah. But I was saying that I had so much respect for him because of him. We're talking about Roswell. Right. Absolutely. Kevin Randall and Don Schman. Oh, right, yeah. So I was like, OK, I'll take a look, I'll take a look. And I hooked up with a guy, Marco Leal, who deserves colossal amount of credit. And he was kind of into it early on. I think maybe he'd been at it for six years when we met. And, you know, there's other researchers that came before me, Claudio Covo, AJ Javard, Ubudajada Rodriguez, Pakachini, Marco Petit, those guys deserve credit, really. And but there, you know, there was, I think it was only one article when it happened in, I think it was the Wall Street Journal written by one guy. And it was like, basically stinky aliens get the attention of, you know, the town in a place in Brazil. It was somewhat dismissive. And, but that was it. It was the only news coverage it got in America that one little article in the Wall Street Journal in 1996. Yeah. That was it. So Americans didn't hear about it, even though the Americans, and I didn't realize the Americans were involved with the case until like over a decade, they kept a really tight lid. They almost, they almost got away with it. They almost got away with it. They did. That's so crazy. So today, what I'd like to go through with you, thank you for that for bringing us all up to date, there are several, several new pieces of information, testimony, and not just anecdotal evidence, but actual, actual evidence of this being completely an anomalous event. Yeah. That features many, you know, anomalies within it. Yes. And so what we're going to do today is I'd like to go through, basically, I watched the documentary and I took all my notes and I'd like to go through certain parts for you to maybe go into a little bit more detail and because of cutting, you know, we couldn't get into those in the film. But also, I want to spend a large part of this time going through the case of Marco Turezi and his autopsy report, which I have been provided. Yeah. I have a copy of the autopsy report, which we've had translated. And for those of you who do not know, Mr. Turezi was in the military and he was, he was the person who took this being in his arms and brought him into the hospital and then developed a severe bacterial logical viral illness that killed him within weeks. And it was a complete mystery until now. Now we kind of have a lot more evidence about that. So that I think it's just a really important case. Yeah. And thank you, Dr. Janini, who the founder of IPD, who did the analysis back in 1996. And thank you, Dr. Armando, for having the courage to come forward on camera for this latest cut and put your necks out for the rest of us because these people have everything to lose, nothing to gain, lifelong reputations in their field. And essentially, particularly Dr. Janini is coming forward and saying, I've never seen anything like it before. Yeah. I've never seen anything like it since and I've done thousands and thousands of analysis. no, forensic pathologists for decades. - And I wanna get to that, 'cause there's also Dr. Furtado. - Yes. - Are the cardiologists? - Oh, yeah, yeah, well that. - Who Marco went to go see, right? Right at the beginning, 'cause he had problems. This was like, this was mentioned that Marco came clean to this doctor because he's like, - Oh yeah, yeah, so sorry, yes. - I need you to save my life. Because essentially he was ill and he spilled the beans in hopes that it would help him find some type of cure with his illness and what was going on with him. - So yeah, so are we talking specifically about Marco Sherees right now? - Yeah. - Okay, I was gonna say what led us to the other guy, but yeah, we can say that. - Okay, well, let's focus on that. - Let's go, let's start a little bit before that. - Yeah, okay. - Okay, so I wanna start with Carlos de Susa. - Okay. - Carlos, who was the original crash witness that you featured in the first moment of contact? - Yes. - Has an incredible emotional reaction to the crash site where he literally falls to his knees and cries. - Yeah. - Just a startling piece of footage watching that. - Yeah. - You know, so I'm so glad you guys caught that on video. That was just such a powerful moment. And Carlos is a geography professor. So, you know, he's not. - And an ultra light pilot. - And yeah, absolutely. - So, you know, he's got a keen eye. He's a credible witness. And, you know, you were able to talk to him and bring him to the crash site. Can you tell me what it was like watching him just start running and being, you know, telling you it's here, a key, a key. He's like, "He's here, it's here." That was just such an emotional piece. - Well, it was really initially quite frustrating because we, Marco Leal had found, because, okay, so I'm gonna back up for a minute. I did a film called The Phenomenon. And in The Phenomenon, I worked for five or six years, maybe a little longer on the Virginia case, you know, and I was introducing Rua. I did a bunch of cases around the world, one in Australia, one in Africa. You know, just cases scattered across the world. And one of the cases I was gonna cover in the film was the Virginia. But at the end of the day, I got towards the end of The Phenomenon. And I just thought, you know, this really doesn't fit. And I'm missing critical witnesses. We're missing the guy of The Crash. Witness, he came forward one time and then vanished for 26 years. There was just other aspects of the story. And I decided to delete it out of the film, which was a very painful day. I call it killing your darlings. And I remember the very day when I, in the timeline, and all the work I've done, and all the, you know, transcribed, you know, the sub-time, everything. Just, click, boom, gone. And, and Marco was devastated. He's like, we've been working on this for so long. I can't believe you did that. I was like, Marco, there's more witnesses. We gotta find, I say, I can't squeeze it in here. It's just, it's not gonna work. We're gonna make a film on this case. But we gotta go and find these witnesses. We gotta find the crash witnesses. We gotta find, you know, Carlos Susuza and many others. And so I said, we're gonna, we're gonna put a laser like focus on this case. And we're gonna make movie just about this case. 'Cause it, it warrants it. Marco, with, with the help of other Brazilian researchers and they found Carlos Susuza and managed to get him to consider coming forward. And then we met with him. We, we flew there. I think it was in 2021 with the camera crew. We're gonna be there for a month. And he agreed to come meet with us in Sao Paulo, which he did. And then we had FaceTime with him. And, hey man, can we take you back for the first time in 26, 27 years, wherever it's been to the crash site? - Well, you hadn't been there since '96. Would you do, you know, and he agrees to do it. So, we go off to the site and we're driving around aimlessly and, you know, myelini farm just outside Virginia. And he can't find the bloody crash site. And we were looking all over it in the movie. It's condensed in just a few minutes. I don't, it could have been an hour. It could have been two hours. And I'm thinking to myself, how does this guy not know where the bloody crash site is? Like, I mean, oh yeah, it's been over a quarter of a century. And I'm thinking this movie's not off to a good start. You know, we hadn't gotten like military acts and these other people, 'cause you find a witness, and just because you find the witness and getting them to come forward on camera, even anonymously is nearly impossible. Like I can't even tell you, Marco Leal deserves so much credit. He would massage contacts with us for five years, six, seven, eight years. So I was a get's out there, he's, he can't find it. Like he doesn't recognize anything. The topography had changed, you know? So I'm thinking myself like, man, Jesus, this is, you know, this is terrible. So then I had a drone and he kept saying, there's a white house. And I said, no, I know there's one aspect of this. There was a white, a small white house. I took the drone up in the, in the sky. And I remember seeing this tiny little roof off in the distance. Some trees had grown. I guess you couldn't see it from where we were. And I was like, okay, this could be it. And we were, and we were running down to that spot. And I remember my cameraman. He was an older guy, Dave West, he's amazing. But he was like, slow down, you know? Like you see, you guys slow down. I can't, you know, I can't be, I said, Dave, if you can't, you know, this is happening. This is unraveling as it's unraveling. And you're going to have to capture the moment or not. Like, and so we're all running and we're just chasing after him because he, because he's like, stop the car, stop the car. You see it like panic in his eyes. He's like, stop driving now. Yes, it's here. And he's running, and he's running down on the spot. And you could just see like, it's all happening. He's reliving everything. He's looking around. I mean, you could just see in his face. And tears flowing down his face. And it's a very dramatic moment in the, in the movie. And I was like, I was extremely grateful that it wasn't a reenactment, a minute. We captured it as it, as it unraveled. And it was just amazing. But I'll tell you, two hours prior, I was thinking the whole time, like, shh, this is not going well. Yeah. So I'm, I'm glad you caught that. It was amazing even to see him have a branch because the craft that crashed there was like a tube like structure was like some cigar like, you know, and, you know, with a, with a breach in the hall. And it was like, it was going down. And, and he kind of did this. And then he went like this. And I'm like, 'cause when you're explaining with your hand, the UFO was here and then it went here. You don't really visualize it. But when he had the stick and he went like this. And I was like, whoa, that must be so wild to witness. I have that stick in my office. Really? I edit room, I look at it every day. Yeah, I do. And it even had like a torn bit in the back side. Right. Exactly what the craft, he described. Everyone who saw the craft, either struggling in the sky, said that it had a tear in the back of it. And they had like a white vapor smoke coming in. Yeah, the farm, the farmers that lived nearby. Yeah. In Riko and Oralini. Yeah. The Fretis. They also, they also said there was a breach in the back. Yes. And they said that they wouldn't have heard it or seen it. Had it not been for the animals on their farm going through. The cows, right. Yeah, all the animals were going crazy. And so they came up, I don't know, two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning. It came out there and they saw the cigar shaped, the submarine or the size of a big school bus, all like aluminum cigar, aluminum with a gash in the back with white vapor. Not like a smoke from a fire. They described it as a white vapor coming out the back. And she was like, I was just waiting for it to hit the ground. Like it was struggling to stay in the air. Finally. Then we have a new witness. And for the first time in this cut, we got maps, Google maps, and we did graphics of like, okay, this is where this person is a Frittado, this is the Oralina, this is where the actual thing crashed according to Carlos, and it all made perfect sense. Yeah, of course. Right there. It's like, what a beautiful visualization for anyone trying to piece that together because if you've not been, you have no idea. And you don't know if they're going to all war and you don't know at the time. It's like, we got the map. It's like, oh my god. You guys did that in the first one with the sort of suburb of, you know, the town, yeah, the encounter where we had the different blockades and we had, you know, where the girls saw the being. But yeah, to see it all the, it all map out like that. Like, wow, that's exactly where the witnesses would be at that angle. And so, yeah, that was great. And we don't have to get into this now, but we also make the connection for the first time. We had featured what my opinion is one of the better night shots of a disc craft. I want to get to that. Sorry, y'all. Yeah. For me, I mean, I was like, the UFO nerd in me is like, dude, that's authentic. That's it. It lines up with, you know, all the stories you hear from, was it Chuck Clark? Um, I mean, Chuck Clark talked about had a copy of a disc, but yeah, but it lines up with what the stories that you hear about what he saw, which is like this orange glowing thing. If you look at also, there's the guy in Mexico who Carlos Diaz, yeah, Carlos Diaz, yeah. You know, his photos line up with that and there's several others that really, even I think even Bob Lazarus case, when they went out to S4 on those few nights, so it's kind of the same thing. There's glowing molten thing, right? Like, like, the skin is alive. Yeah. Like, like, it's roiling dynamic. Yes. Like, like, phosphorus on a beach with the whole thing is just glowing like it's all energy source or something. Yeah. So, you know, we have Carlos de Sousa, is it pronounced or de Sousa? Uh, could be either. - 'Cause Sousa, I've heard it pronounced okay. - Okay, Carlos Sousa, it's yeah. - All right. We have him then after that going to a gas station for coffee and being accosted by gentlemen who told him basically you're not to talk about this and you're too shut up, which is par for the course when it comes to the UFO stuff, but exactly what happened to like absolutely everybody you've talked to in that movie as well. They all say the exact same thing. Whether it was from the Americans or whether it was from the Brazilian military. - Yeah. - So that happens. Now. - But before so, so when Carlos was driving on the freeway early in the morning to go ultra light flying, he saw in the sky was early in the morning. 4.35 a.m. something like this. He saw that cigar shaped craft exactly like the other witness that just described and he was like what? And he was thinking like maybe some sort of experimental craft or some military secret military thing. He didn't know what it was, but he was like, clearly those guys are in trouble. They're in trouble and it's going down. Pilate the pilot. He was like, yeah, so he got off the freeway and he saw it just crash into the ground and he came up there and he was thinking I'm gonna help the pilot. So I mean, he never once thought extraterrestrial and never thought UFO, he was just like, I gotta help. And he ride to the scene and he said there was a half a piece of the cigar shaped craft about the half the size of a large school bus intact. And then the other half was scattered over a very large area, bigger than a football field of small sort of like aluminum pieces of different shapes torn. And he said, he got out of the car and the smell was so overwhelming of ammonia and sulfur. Like he said, he grabbed his shirt and put it over his face. He couldn't believe how strong his eyes were watering. There was some sort of weird chemical acid on the grass. It was burning the grass. And he picked up one of his little pieces. He's just scratching his head. He's so baffled and he said he held in his hands. And he said it was like so light that he couldn't really feel it in his hands and he could crumple it up. And then when he let it go, it would reform into the shape that it was in when he picked it up. And this was happening and he's just baffled of it. So what is this? And that's when military trucks from the base as I'd come in from the opposite direction that he arrived and they threatened him at gunpoint to leave. And that at which point he got in his car, he left. And then 10, 15 minutes later, while he stopped just to gather himself at a gas station cafe and he was having a coffee and that's when these men rolled up in suits and threatened him. Yeah. - I had forgotten that he had touched the craft that he had a piece in his hand. - Yes. - And resembles a lot of the Roswell lore as well about the memory metal or whatever. - Yeah. - Unbelievable. And then the smell, obviously, the tying, the string that ties this all together is this overwhelming smell of ammonia and sulfur, which is also comically the only thing that made it to this article in the United States about the Stinky aliens. - I'm gonna say one more thing. And this is something that I've been doing recently as I'm asking all the witnesses, the first hand witnesses, people like Carlos and Dr. E. Tolo, which we'll get to later, if they're willing to take a public lie detector test and they're all immediately without a moment's hesitation, yes. - Yeah. - My right hand on a Bible, I will, yes. - And if there's anybody else watching this that obviously this might be translated into many different languages on YouTube, they do that automatically now. And so if there's anyone out there in Virginia who has any more information about any of this, I think it's good to put it at the top of the episode. - Can I give you my proton texted to you and you can put it across the screen? - Absolutely. - To us, okay. - Yep, feel free to reach out to James if you have any information on this that you think could aid in his research and into the investigation of what happened. - Particularly on the American side. - Oh, okay, yeah, oh, if you're over here and you have any information about it, oh, let's go. Yeah, that would be interesting. We'll get to that. - I really wanna hear from you. - Yeah, 'cause that ties everything together and we'll get to that foyer request as well. - So then after this happens, this military blockade starts happening around town. And this is a town that's not familiar with this type of activity. - He's about a week later. - Yeah. Oh, is it a week later? - Several days later, yeah. - Wow, okay, so the crash retrieval happened. - Yep. - Whoa, I didn't realize it was that long after. - I thought it was immediately. - No, not immediately, it was several days, yeah. And I know it's really, it's a head scratcher because there's only these aliens that were running around for a few days. - There's all this speculation as to how they got from that location to town. And there's some waterways. When we looked at overhead, there's some waterways, the possibility of waterways that would lead to where they were spotted in town. - Whoa. - Again, this is speculation. - Sure, yeah, of course, but all you can do is, some people say there was a pod and an escape pod. That's one, you know, theory, nobody really knows. And I talked to some of the most leading researchers in Brazil that have been scratched their heads on this case. Was there other, were there other crashes during that time? You know, I don't think anyone has a definitive answer to that. - Yeah. - But the most plausible, according to everyone that I've talked to is that they managed to get their way and they were hiding out. - By the water, through the waterways. - That's where the water, through the waterways, yeah. - Yeah, and that's speculation. - It is speculation, obviously. But also, you know, because later on, we'll encounter this family and entire family, by the way, there's got nothing to gain, everything to lose. That came out and said, you know, there was this disc, there was spinning, didn't want to go on camera. - No, they were just, but they were so excited to talk about it finally. And then other people in town, who also admitted to the same thing that there was this reconnaissance effort that seemed to, everybody said the same thing. It looked like it was looking for something. And that's just like something that I suppose you'd have to experience to understand. 'Cause I'm like, how could you determine? But if you look at the pattern, something's doing, you're like, it's looking for something. - And not only that, but this is something else. It's just like, I got goose bumps just to get about it, because when we were at their house, I had flown the drone up prior to that, really high, to get a really good, you know, I put the camera straight down, I really want to get a lay of the land. I want to see where the creature was allegedly captured by air globes and Mark was so easy. I want to see where the girls encountered the creature, like, you know, in proximity to get where it was captured. And in one shot, let's just say, you know, okay, for several block area, you know, you got like this. So the girls see it here, captured here, just a few blocks away. And then five blocks away is the family that we interviewed, the entire family, the mother, the husband, the daughter, they were right here. And that craft was flying exactly over the area where all this went down. - So that was like, so whatever your drone was seeing was what the craft was seeing essentially. - Yeah, and not only that, but it was like, oh my God, it makes perfectly good sense. And if there was a search and rescue effort, I know, it sounds crazy. But if there was an extraterrestrial or whatever, search and rescue effort, that's exactly where it would have been. - Yep. And I think at this point with the amount of evidence you brought forward, it's safe to assume that that is a possibility. - Extreme possibility. And that's getting to that video footage that you and I could talk about a little later. - Yes, sir. - But that's impressive. - It really is. - So this military blockade happens a week later, which is wild. This town smells, the smell is being carried out. It's probably being talked about by everyone. So at which point, everyone's pretty on board that something weird is happening. In fact, the news crew then gets alerted about, you know, hey, maybe we should investigate this blockade. - First time that we have all three reporters that were there going on camera for me. I'd heard about, I got in one nay, but not the two others. And they went on camera for the first time, basically saying that they were making inquiries. They were stopped at the military blockade, but their other two had gone to as a military base and were questioning. And they said to the news reporters, you ask one more question and you're going to jail. - Yeah. If you ask one more question, that's right. - Those reporters are doing their job. - Yep. - And the camera said, yeah, they said, one more question you're going to jail. - And that's, like you said, it's never happened before. - It's never happened after. - No. - It was serious. And they kept saying, you know, national security, national security, and he's trying to ask just one question and they were threatened to be. - Whether balloons are not national security. - Yeah. - And neither is a gene, there was some effort to like write off what the girls had seen at some gentleman in town, which I've seen him multiple times. He's got a birth defect. And they're like, oh, it was maging or something like this. And I was like, oh my God, that's so absurd that everyone's seen him, everyone knows him. You know, and they just try to, you know, they were just strolling and whatever they could against the wall to see what would stick. And of course, nothing here we are. Almost 30 years later. - Yeah, the skeptics of this case after watching and reading through the autopsy report and hearing the witness testimonies, the skeptics of this case look more insane to me than any testimony I've ever heard about any alien being. They, there's, this is by far one side it here. Like, I mean, if anybody's skeptical, I'm skeptical of them and their motives now. Because if you're coming up to me after watching this, reading through the documents and looking at all of the evidence that you've brought forward over the last 15 years, if you're gonna sit here and tell me that this didn't happen, I'm skeptical that you're probably part of the cover up. That's where I'm at with this case now, and I don't say that right away. You'd have to be like, no, no, you'd have to be absolutely in on a cover up. Chief of police, two forensic pathologists, head neurosurgeon, guy that ran three different hospitals in the area, the head neurosurgeon still still working there today. Yeah. He's risking everything to lose and nothing to gain by coming forward. Plus like, plus the chief of police, plus the military actually drove it, plus the three girls that came face to face with it in broad daylight, less than 10 feet away. It's overwhelming. It's overwhelming. The guy that took the X-rays, I mean, there's so much evidence, so much compelling first-hand eyewitness testimony. Then you got the video of a craft, imagine a description in and around, oh, yeah, it's still a little to the south, but at the same year, it's just, oh, my gosh, yeah, incredibly. How many millions did everybody get paid to be on camera for this documentary, James? That's what we all really want to know, especially the neurosurgeon. Can you imagine? I tell people. He's a neurosurgeon. He makes enough money. I could give you an hour-long story behind every interview and how it came about and how difficult it was to obtain and people are terrified all these years later, still. But there are power numbers and I encourage people to come forward and join this movement. Let's talk about Valkyria, Lilianne, and Katia. Yes. The three girls who witnessed this being, you covered this in the first one. We revisit the second one probably. Some of the most compelling eyewitness testimony to a non-human alien being, we can say. You spent a lot of time with them. You spent time with their mother as well. Marta? Yeah. Anyway, come to me and say, Marta was the sister of the deceased military officer. Oh, yes. That's right. Her name would come to me. I love her very much. I was just with her just a few months ago. But she firmly refused to accept a bribe. Accept a bribe from the American gentleman that said, "Hey, look. We can give you this money and you can just go live a life." All we ask is that you just go without asking questions, and she's like, "Not if it means calling my daughters here liars." She said that there were, I think there were three guys, two in suits that remained silent. The third one that spoke Portuguese with a heavy accent called them foreigners offered American dollars, a briefcase filled that they could leave the country, live out their life. All they had to do, all she had to do was get her daughters to say they were lying. It was some kind of deranged animal or dog or something like that that she refused to accept. And Louisa, her name, and she's, this day struggles financially and she was like, "There's no amount of money you're gonna give me that's gonna make me call my own daughters liars. Leave my house or I'm calling the police." You know, if that she was one of the first people after decades of hearing these so-called men in black. How do I turn it, maybe lightly, a little here and there, I went all in on her. I looked in the, this woman's telling the truth. And there's so many others that had those encounters. In fact, a lot of people in town up and left. Oh, I mean, Paccacini disappeared for the better part of 20 years. Yeah. Paccacini was one of the lead researchers. Yeah. And if his account, and he's willing to take a lie detector test with his right hand in a Bible, he's seen the video of the creature. So, Paccacini was one of the lead researchers of Clodiocovo, Paccacini, Ubudajada Rodriguez, Marco Bitti, AJ Javard, but primarily Paccacini, Ubudajada. They were really deep in it. And Ubudajada Rodriguez was a very well-known lawyer in the state. I can ministerize, the state of ministerize in Virginia. But in any case, Paccacini, according to, you know, I just spoke to him. He's working with us now. He said that he was fired at. He was under a lot of pressure. Ubudajada kind of just went quiet. Clodiocovo died, AJ Javard died. Marco Pitti still talks about it, but of course, Marco Leo is working nonstop. But according to Paccacini, he was shot at. He was threatened. And he disappeared for the better. He was like, I just need to let everything cool off. He went live with his mother for like, I think 20 years. Yeah. He's getting back involved with the case again. But even a lot of civilians were just like up and moved, who've lived their whole lives. Like you mentioned in the first documentary, there was like, their neighbors were like, yeah, you just up and left. And there was like, there was people just went quiet. Yeah, people just went quiet and I'm sure people accepted some bribes and we had something really weird happened to us while we were there as well, which I can go into detail if you want. Well, let's go. So one thing I've learned in this field is that when you, like, sometimes when you really want to, you obviously want to get a witness on camera, don't talk about going on camera at first. Just say, Hey, you know what? Can we just meet? Can I just, can I get you a coffee? Can we have dinner? Meet with them. Look them in the eyes. Get to know each other. There's nothing like FaceTime, right? And get to know each other a little bit. And then if that individual decides or is contemplating on going on camera, maybe under the right conditions or maybe just hide their face, whatever, whatever, don't wait. Don't wait one day. Don't wait one hour. Like if they're willing to do it, go and I'll tell you with military X, it was like, he literally said to me early on, there's all the money in the world that I'm ever going to come forward. So I understand, look, can we just get together? We got together FaceTime, had an incredible time. We talked about family relationships, I talked about my father with his struggle with multiple sclerosis, just kind of getting to know each other, he talked about his wife and becoming a dad and all these, you know, things kind of get to know each other a little bit. And then we kind of got into his involvement in the official capacity for the military driving the creature above one, seeing it in the hospital, all this stuff, seeing it, seeing the feet. Right. Exactly. And yeah, maybe, maybe more, but he, he started the waiver, like maybe he would meet with us and maybe under the right circumstance, he would go on camera. And I was, let's just say it was a Sunday. And I said to Marco and he was like, well, maybe Tuesday, maybe Wednesday, I said, how about right now? Well, I don't know, you know, Marco and I, I didn't even shave, brush my, I don't even think I'd brush my teeth. I said, we're getting the car and we're going right now because I know I've been here before. Yeah, this is, this is gone. This is, yeah. So we go. Anyway, we ended up getting him on camera from the back, disguised as a voice, you know. And I think it was like the next day or maybe the day after we were going to meet with the gentleman that was also involved in the transportation or he was, he went out for military base. He went to one of the hospitals and allegedly had shot some video and we were going to make an introduction to that individual. He was the next day or the other day after and Marco was going to pose as the cousin of military acts. I was not going to be invited, but hey, whatever, we'll take what we can get. So they got a phone call, well, so military acts got a phone call and it's from the base. And they said, hey, how you doing so and so and yeah, family doing good. Oh, good, good, good. You still lived at this address? Excellent, excellent. Okay, good. Hey, um, there's an American filmmaker poking around and we had just gotten them on camera. There's an American filmmaker poking around. So you know, by chance, meet with him, you know, okay, good, good, good. Yeah, excellent. Well, listen, you take care and glad the family is doing well. Happy to hear you're still living at the same address. You take care now. And then summoned the individual that we were going to meet into the base. So that individual that we were going to meet with the next day, my point is this had I had I waited till Tuesday or Wednesday, I would have never got we would have never got that interview. It's in the same little basin and it had I had 24 more hours, we probably would have seen the footage. I do. You have no idea like it's like a bar is open, the bathtub, you know, you just you grab it and I say to anybody out there who's feeling frustrated because they want to see the footage, there's nobody on the planet earth that wants that more than I do. And there's nothing, nothing that I'm not trying to get my hands on it. And I just feel like at this point, if anybody's out there in possession of this footage posted anonymously, you know, put it out there for free. I don't care who it comes from, where it comes from, like, well, of course, I don't want to be fake. But yeah, speaking of which, there is a video circulating that claims to be, yeah, everything I've seen. The real being, it's that's completely fake, do not send James that footage. Yeah. So what I would do is, if I get the video for free, I'm going to give it away for free. I'm not going to charge anything for it. If I have to purchase the video to recoup to pay whoever back, I would figure that out. But I would give it away for free. Okay. I'm not trying to make money on this video. Yeah. I'd like the world to see it. I think the world should see it. Yeah. I would have all the firsthand eyewitnesses take a look at it first. Hey, is this what you saw? Does this look real? of the provenance of this like that would do the best one can. right? Yeah and it's out there. Well there are yeah so there are multiple videos and the reason why I know that is because I've talked to people that have seen it, the photographs, I actually talked to the chief of police, Mark O'Leah and I went and door stepped him not too long ago and he mits on cameras like oh yeah there are multiple multiple photos because you know the fire department is also part of the military you know the police department is also part of the military yeah they I might understand that they took photos they captured one took photos they captured one the doctors in both hospitals humanitias and regional hospital took video they had cameras for instance there was specific surgery that they would do brain surgery and they would videotape these procedures yeah the cameras had sorry the doctors had cameras readily available at the hospitals to record various procedures they also had resources to have that then the military shot video people in you know so the military got video I'm sure the Americans got video the fire department the police department and the doctors all got photos and or videos how do I know that because I've talked to people that have seen it multiple different sources civilians doctors military that have seen the videos so we know there's at least five different sources of video and photographic evidence of this it's just a matter of us getting our sticky little fingers on it can you imagine this happening in today's day and night oh yeah I know that's disclosure yeah I know you thought about that of course if this happened since the iPhone came out this is disclosure I know believe me I know but the further we get into technology you know there's this one pocket because now we're getting into AI stuff and so you know if if another one does happen obviously the biggest argument is going to be it's all AI generated right of course okay but yeah yeah but what can you do yeah but this is on film yeah well this would be on video and photograph digital or photographs would be filmed yeah yeah yeah um so the fire brigade ends up capturing the first being yes allegedly right with this net and there was even a witness to this and he kind of saw it from afar and they had something and they told him it's nothing to worry about it's just an animal they've captured a small animal and he says that animal screened like a child like a little baby yeah yeah it's interesting because even Marco Shreese was involved in the captured nobody knew what this creature was like nobody was like calling it I mean alien in the sense that it was a foreign right yeah it was a creature a creature like people were even throwing rocks at it like you know they were scared of it like what is this thing some people thought it was a devil you know because they had these red eyes and but people didn't think like I mean far as I could tell no one was like oh yeah this was an extraterrestrial no nobody said that or ultra terrestrial it's an ultra terrestrial nobody said that they didn't know what the hell that was yeah and I'd heard stories of people throwing rocks at it on the outskirts of town and going into this forest they were scared of it and throwing rocks and that's when the the uh earlier that day is when the fire department captured it with a net yeah and that's according to some of the witnesses that went on camera back in 96 said that it cried like a little baby and it was in captivity yeah so sad but there are up to and I don't know for sure because we only focused on two because we only had really good compelling eyewitnesses on that but they're possibly up to five yeah yeah up to five beings but for you know for in this documentary we address three of them right one alive one dead then the third one kind of missing at one point right that's what the uh the police are the police chief he saw a creature under the under a net or under a blanket or a canvas of sorts and then he talked about the military activity that was going on as they said he saw more brass and he's ever seen in his in his career uh there and um he said rumor had it with that uh one alive captured state alive one dead and then one uh got away yeah something like that and that was Pedro Luis Aguiar the retired police chief yes sir yeah yeah and we door stepped him we were trying to get to him for a year he did not want to talk prior to that he would be like you know talk a little bit then we'll do a meeting you know maybe I'll go on camera and then it kept like disappearing and not returning our calls and we'd show up at his house not gonna source one on for years and we almost got to him on the first round and then he was like I'm too because he was like okay you can come by my house gives the address and then he would just stop returning our calls and this went on for several years and then finally just recently a few months ago we went well it's funny actually we're going from South Palo up to Virginia it's about a six hour drive depending on how many times you stop whatever and on the way there we took a slight deviation we're gonna stop off at his house and I think it was maybe like five thirty or something we're a little bit hungry and we had a mission our mission was to go to his house and then get to Virginia but for some reason I was like hey let's stop there's this little pizza joint and we stopped there I was gonna get a quick slice of pizza and I ended up meeting you know the owner was like oh what are you guys from you know and start talking he was speaking Portuguese but yeah translator and he's like I'm gonna order a big pizza come on you guys are having a having a glass of wine you know you're gonna stick around you know and so reluctantly we we had dinner there and it took about you know six at least 60 possibly 90 minutes so now we're arriving later than we anticipated and they were half the crew were like you know oh gosh we had a mission we shouldn't have sight you know as it turned out it was perfect because when we arrived he had just gotten home with his family his wife and his kid you would have messed him we would have missed him yeah we would have missed him so we got the only on camera interview you know with with him talking about the incident and we asked him like why you it was a slow process too because we just got our foot in the door in the house we had a mic and we went in there and then why you coming for it so you're investigating you you're investigating something that and taking it seriously that that I participated in yeah and he said it was real yeah no story is a reality or it's not a story yeah it's not history it's not it's not a story it's history yeah yeah exactly not a story it's history and I don't know if you feel comfortable mentioning what happened to him now that he's since I don't know the details but we just found out yesterday that he died that he passed do you think that that might have been part of the reason why he felt it was important to come forward maybe he had some type of inkling even subtle or overt god it's hard to say yeah one thing is there's a couple of very indelible moments in the filming of of moment of contact both before and now and one of them was his wife and I think his wife is his wife can you see his wife in there at all I don't remember okay I should remember but I was there and at one point because we got his son and him answered the door the son was like 12 or 13 and we got put the door sort of talking to him and then I think I had a mic on me and then they had the sound guy in the car outside and and then I said hey at some point do you mind if we bring a camera in here a little just you know just ease our way in oh okay yeah that's fine this I then the camera guy came in and then we just started to slowly get an interview with him on camera it was all unfolding very organically and happening that was like this from a cheaper police wasn't you exactly what he was going to say but at one point more than one point several points I'd looked I looked over at his wife and his son was hitting kind of close to him but his wife was sitting at the table and he was sitting on the couch and I swear to you I'm not making this up her eyeballs were like like like push like her eyes were so open her eyes and she's looking at her husband and she's not blinking and I'm looking at Dave going Davey like you're getting the wife like you get the wife yeah yeah I'm getting the wife I was like because I she was like looking at him nonstop like what do you think why why do you think she's don't know she like like what are you doing now exactly because I was talking about the photograph that I heard he'd had oh that was pressuring him very hard like I wouldn't stop do you think he had is it well he did have it and he had actually admitted to at one point having it and then I said and I kept hammering him and he would change the topic and I would go right back to that photograph I said this person said they saw it and this person saw it and this is what it's in it there's one alive one cat you know blah blah there's a military and maybe a fire to mean in the background you know and and the wife was just looking at her husband like this I swear on my fucking legs trying to like say you better not say like just I don't know I don't know what but she was like this well I mean that looking at him for me that's the look of someone who's also seen the photo and I was looking at her like this and and I was like God this this is crazy wow she telling him to shut his mouth as she shocked that we're there like what's going on with this and then he said when I kept hammering him on the photo I have a solemn video he said uh there are some things within the police department or the military or police department or something that uh that will remain uh like secret will remain we won't disclose so something like this [BLANK_AUDIO] like this. Why? You know, I mean, it's the holy grail, right? It is the holy grail. It's the holy grail of humanity. Yeah, it's a holy grail. And so, um, but yeah, so that was, and then I finally died. I don't know the circumstances. I don't know how he died, but he was pretty healthy. He had some, definitely had some, what, look like, um, what's that arthritis? Yeah, it's really bad. In his fingers, his, his hands were, excuse me, really kind of deformed. And, you know, um, but he was energetic and he was alert and he was coherent. And I didn't think he was going to die like within months of that interview, but, but he's gone. But, you know, by the time your audience sees this, I would have been back with a team, again, to Brazil, we're meeting with a bunch more doctors. You go through the shoe box of photos. They have in their closet, whatever, whatever we got to do, we're meeting with the mayor, we're having like screeners like this is in my humble opinion. And I can always be wrong. And I've been wrong in the past, but I feel like this is the beginning of the beginning in the, in the sense that it, we might reach critical mass. And, and more people, because I'm, I'm trying to find out doctors at Humana does hospital because that's what missing right now. And I'm in the inner circle with the, with the doctors, with the forensic pathologist, with the neurosurgeons, right? And we're meeting their wives. We're going into their homes. We're having dinner with them. We're having glasses of wine together. We're listening to, it's going to come out music. We're getting to know each other. We're spending time with their local restaurants meeting the communities, you know what I mean? Like really getting that trust and that, that camaraderie and friendship, laughing together, singing together, playing music together. And this is all happening and starting to feel comfortable at last time. One of the first times I had met with the forensic pathologist, he was extremely guarded. And he runs, I don't know, like, like there even times when we were communicating back and forth. And he's like, oh, your communication is too fast. I need a video that's you, that it's really you, like paranoid. So I took a video immediately in the States and I sent it to him like, this is me. I'm here in my car. This is me. This is not somebody else posing as me. So, that trust and that friendship is happening. And again, power in numbers, right? Absolutely. All right. We're going to go now to Marco Cherizzi and Eric Lopes. These two gentlemen were working for the military and they were essentially patrolling the area. And that evening of this barricade happening and that evening where the first creature was apprehended by what seems to be like a fire department or something. That was in the morning. Yeah. And then later in the evening, they drive and come across this creature, just kind of cross in the road. And, you know, as brave as he is, Marco Cherizzi gets out and apprehends this being with his bare hands. Okay. So we'll back up just a moment. Sure. So we have testimony from like the local newsmen. We have testimony from residents in the area that came upon that blockade, that military blockade, a gunpoint threatened with national security, like not messing around. You are not going beyond this point. And if you look at where the blockade is, which we did, it's right in the area where the girls came and encountered this creature, this crazy creature, which we go into detail with in broad daylight, 10 feet away. I've against that center block wall. And then just two blocks away, a couple of hours later, same blockade around that area is where the capture occurred. Now, there were two military officers. One was on duty that night. His name was Eric Lopes. I think it was P2, but in any case, military police. And my understanding was, is that they were giving, he was given orders that go out and find something unusual, some sort of creature, wild animal, something didn't really didn't say, hey, there's a liability to walk around, go grab, you know, it wasn't like that. And that was the reason for the blockade essentially. I was the reason for the blockade. And so, uh, so Eric calls his really good buddy, Marco Shrezy's also a police, a military police, but he was off duty that night. But he was like, hey, I got this crazy like assignment that you want to join me. We can go out together and so he jumps in the car and off the two of them went and low and behold, right at dusk, he's this this creature ran across the road right in front of him, just a couple blocks away from the girl, so just a few hours later. And Marco Shrezy's 23 year old super fit, um, military guy, well, at a moment's hesitation without, you know, any concern for his own safety just leaps out the back of the car, the, the, the, the, the, the passengers either car and grabs the creature, all right. My understanding was is that he put it on his lap in the back seat. And in the process of grabbing it, we'll get to that. Yeah. Okay. I won't. Okay. So, and then they take it to a clinic. And one of the doctors apparently came out, degree them in the car. I, and, and took one look at that creature, I was like, I get that thing out of here. I don't know what that is, but it ain't coming in my clinic. And it smells. Yeah. And so they take it to regional hospital. And that's where, and, and funny enough, I was just, I was just at regional hospital. Okay. Just a few weeks ago, they have a plaque out front to find, like, this is the hospital where a live alien was brought to. Whoa. It's all right there. All official from the town on the hospital in plain sight. I can share the picture with you. That's crazy. Please do. I will. So, and it describes the whole thing. So I go in to the reception where the people go in the front. And I asked them all the people working there. There were three. Hey, you know, the, the, the, the 1990s. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is where the alien was brought. And they said, I swear to you, I'm not making this up. I, they said, oh, yeah, we brought, the alien was brought around the back. They didn't bring it through the front because it was scary. We brought it. It was brought in the back. I was like, you got to be kidding. They said, no, in fact, there's a, there's a, a nurse practitioner or something still working here that was there that night. And we said, oh, can we talk to that individual? And the other doctor that we were dealing with, the neurosurgeon was working there that night. But he was, he was busy. But so we got their contact information, but we're only there for like 48 more hours. But now we have another contact of somebody who was there that night. But no one's denying it. No one, and they have a big plaque right out in front. This is a second plane science. They're leaning into it. Lean into it. It's, uh, that's, it's so cool because, you know, I'm reminded of like the Aztec crash, 1948 in Aztec, New Mexico, which got covered up as a hoax almost immediately. If you Google it, it's the hoax at Aztec. And I, I know better. The military authorities were like, this is how we do exactly the FBI covered it up. They was a smear campaign. Um, just, if you, if you go read anything about it, I know there's a lot of skeptics out there. That would be like Chris here and idiot. Read the article. It tells you what happened. Look, I spent enough time with the people who've researched it for 35 years to know that that actually happened. There's something that happened there. But they were so quick and covering it up in that town. If you go to Aztec now, you can't, like we went to all sorts of spots in that town just to ask locals. And they're like, oh, no, that hoax. Totally different mentality. Once the FBI got involved. But anyways, I digress at this hospital. Marco Cherisi gets to this hospital where they, you know, bring the being and Marco then goes home. And he's starting to develop this sickness. He's got, he's got the smelly greasy oily stuff on his skin. That's right. And apparently he took rubbing alcohol and he was trying to wipe this stuff off. And within a couple weeks, he started to get sick. And then he was admitted into one of the hospitals, a regional or a humanitarian, I think it was maybe both. Excuse me, we talked to two different doctors that worked on him. One just recently, but Dr. Cesario and Dr. Cesario worked on him for a while and until he went into the ICU and then died. And it's funny, actually, because Cesario, Dr. Cesario was like, yeah, yeah, he told us this happened that we can't have captured this thing because this had nothing. And he wanted us to know because he was concerned for his life. And then he goes, I mean, according to a sister, he was basically like, yeah, yeah, I liked it. So Dr. Cesario Frittado is a cardiologist for 45 years. Yeah. He's basically on camera saying that Marco came to him, almost pleading him to help him. Yeah, it seemed like. And the only way that Marco could help himself was to say the truth because his life depended on it. Yeah, he wasn't going to hold the national security secret and take it to the great. He's like, I want to get better. Of course. So he, in confidence, tells this doctor, but then so what happened? So Cesario admits that on camera. But then he goes, according to a sister, like, we liked it. I'm like, yes, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody knows. But he said that he threw the kitchen sink at him. Yeah. That bacterial infection didn't respond. Well, we'll get anything. I want to, I want to get there as well. So here we have the autopsy report because unfortunately, Marco Treze ended up passing away. and 20 years. Yeah, perfectly healthy, no immune, no autoimmune disease, no deficiency immunwise. And his sister, you know, was obviously demanding, and his wife. Yeah. Yeah. Who was pregnant? That's right. And they were demanding. And she's only done one interview with the wife, right? Yeah. Yeah. We're trying to track her down again. We didn't interview with Dr. Roger Lear in 2002. That's right. And hell of a time fighting to get the autopsie report. The reason for that. Could not get it. Could not get it. And even the reason for death was a general infection cause unknown. It wasn't. Yeah, and they had apparently, according to them, there were pages missing and there was like all this blockage and then they wanted to charge the money and it was like, you know, the sister was going after it. The wife was going after it. They ultimately did get an autosie report with, but it was missing stuff. But now we have the autopsie report. Yes. Where did you get this? With the comments directly from the guy who owned the company, IPD. And that's Dr. Janini. Yeah. Dr. Janini founded IPD and you should look up the acronym for that. Jau Baptista Makuka Janini. Yes. The pathologist who's done, folks, get this over 50,000 autopsie. Yeah, it is company. They've done over 50,000 since the 60s autopsies. And in quotes, I've never seen a case like this. But that sink in for a second. This is unique. This is one of a kind. This has never happened. And it just so happens to be from an alleged encounter. Do you understand? Yeah. We ask him on camera. Yeah. And like, what, like, give me an assessment, like, what, get, give me your bottom line here. And you know, and he says, from all I can gather, that bacteria came from under the nail of the ET, scratched him under the armpit right here, and it killed him essentially. So here is, we're going to go through the autopsie comments a little bit here. We had the, we have the necropsy report, the considerations, the conclusions and everything. And we had it translated. And this is based on the medical findings and background information. This is a consolidated, and this is from that doctor, a consolidated English translation that maintains factual accuracy while making the content accessible. So the medical finding summary, multi, multifocal pneumonia, multiple pneumonia, pneumonia. Yeah. Yeah. Multi multiple areas of both lungs showed inflammation with fluid fill filling the air sacs making breathing difficult septic pulmonary thromboembolism, which are blood clots containing bacteria were found in lung blood vessels, indicating the infection had entered the blood stream. Early stage, heart inflammation or myocarditis, initial signs of heart muscle swelling were presence, gesting the infection was beginning to infect affect cardiac function, acute liver congestion, deliver showed blood vessel enlargement and fluid build up typical and severe systemic infections like an autoimmune, some type of like massive systemic highly virulent attack, armpit abscess infection, testing of fluid and the armpit abscess revealed a abundant growth of staph, staphlococcus, sclefairy bacteria, so like a staph infection essentially. And here are the key points about this infection, what make it so strange. So the staphlococcus sclefairy typically causes skin and ear infections and dogs and cats. Human infections are extremely rare and normally only occur after surgery or in people with medical devices, which Marco had either of these. So doesn't happen essentially. And let me just say that we just got this full report with his endorsement with a stamp and his signature on camera just a few weeks ago, a month ago, whatever. So I carry on this brand new. This is breaking. This is breaking. He's putting his full endorsement down on this right now on camera, not anonymously. His entire career in the twilight years of his life, because he feels like this is this is very very important. No small deal here. Sorry. Carry on. Because you're doing a great job, by the way. Thank you. But in this case here, the things that really stand out, one, no prior surgery occurred. There was none of that. There was no way that this infection should have happened to no immune deficiency was detected. So normally with something spreading so fast across the immune system, you would expect some type of immunocompromised disease to be happening. None of that. He was 23, like you said, incredibly healthy military guy. The bacteria showed unusual anti-biotic resistance. And this is the one thing that ended up baffling both, both Dr. Janini and Armando, that's right, Fortunato, the forensic pathologist and former municipal health minister as well. So both of these gentlemen were completely baffled by the fact that they couldn't give him antibodies. None of the antibiotics that they gave him worked at all. They had zero effect on whatever was attacking his body. Nothing. Can you imagine being a professional pathologist who has all the latest technology, all the answers and how not only frustrating, but how disheartening it must be to throw your best medical capabilities at this thing and to no avail. That sticks with you. You lose a patient, not because, not for lack of trying. You gave it everything, it just doesn't make sense. It spread rapidly through his bloodstream and it produced toxins that affected multiple organs. Now, in the sort of synopsis or conclusions and comments that these doctors give or this doctor here, particularly Dr. Janini, the infection likely entered through a minor skin break, as you said, small abrasion due to possibly, he says the nail of the being. So it has nails. Yeah. And displayed unusually aggressive behavior with high virulence and antibiotic resistance. Here's a notable consideration, given the extreme rarity in humans and the unusual aggressive nature of this infection, some have suggested the possibility of a deliberate biological manipulation of this bacteria, similar to how Komodo dragons use bacteria, laden, saliva to weaken prey. That's the only thing that this doctor can sort of pin is the Komodo dragon when it bites you, it weakens you due to the bacteria that it has in there. But also as researchers, we might also be familiar that this secretion that the being had might have been like excretory, might have been excrement. And that's kind of how they get rid of their waste is through these pores and it happens when they're sweating and when they're running. I need to make this abundantly clear, this creature, this entity, this being was not aggressive. It was not combative. It wasn't trying to kill people. I think that in it vertically and by accident, when Marco Shrezy, military police officer grabbed this thing, he got a scratch from the nail under his arm. And that was so I don't want people to feel like, yeah, all these ET's are out to get us. They're going to kill us. That's not the case at all. That's one of the reasons why we're so cautious and it's how we do because exposure to a type of bacteria and the way he described it to me because I'm a complete neophyte. I mean, what do I know? I'm just a filmmaker. But he said to me, he goes, it was an advanced bacteria unlike anything he's seen on Earth. In other words, it did things that no bacteria on Earth would do. Even though it was a strain of a bacteria that they've seen, but not the way this was evolved and the way it was, it was, nothing could stop it. Yeah. And if that is the case, it's also just a case of self-defense that the body produces naturally. It's not some. Yeah. I mean, the ET wasn't going to kill people. No, exactly. It was denying the encounter. I really want people to hear that because-- And if this was the being's excrement, what do you think happens if a being from another planet takes some of our excrement and injects it into its bloodstream? You might have a similar response. Exactly. The one thing that I found really interesting here is the wording at the near the end here of the comments. He says, "Thus we consider," this is a translation again, but pretty accurate, "Thus we consider that soldier Marco must have suffered some type of superficial skin lesion that antibiotic development of infection of staphylococcaliscaferia, which showed high virulence antibiotic resistance and prolonged course leading severe septicemia." In the hypothesis, considered by many, this is the official autopsy involving an encounter with a strange being. We may suppose that such a being could use this back to your logical weapon. So this is him just trying to piece it together. Now, we're not saying that this is an evil being, but what I find interesting is that we have a doctor here who's got a reputation and even immediately after, without giving it any afterthought, wrote down that he might have had an encounter with a strange being and that's the only explanation he has. Like, that is incredible. He said it on camera, too. Yeah. And he's like, look, he's not saying with 100 percent certainty, he's saying the highest probability from all the information he can gather is that he got scraps from the nail and the bacteria came from under the nail of the ET under his arm and that killed him. So this is the first time. that we have access to. This autopsy report. And I think that is you did a great job reading it by the wall. Thank you. I mean, I was I'm grateful that you sent it to me and I was mind blown looking through it. Although, you know, I had to Google most of what I was reading, but I learned a lot and it's I think it's one of those things that when you put out this movie, the first time like when you put out the first iteration of this movie. Yeah. Um, it stuck with a lot of people. That's one of the few things that that movie just stuck with you was someone dying due to infection because they came in contact with the being. And I'm glad to know that it was because of some scratch that it wasn't just yeah, some Ray beam or yeah, or or or even just touching the being. Yes, that it was it was, you know, bacteria related and possibly just because of, you know, different immune systems. Yeah, because everybody, according to the first hand, I witnessed testimony that I've talked to that came in contact with this creature that it was not hostile. It was not aggressive. It was suffering. It was scared. It wanted help. Uh, and all the communication occurred through the eyes. Okay. No antibodies could face this thing, by the way. Again, I want to bring that home. Well, Dr. Cesaro said he threw the kitchen sink. Yeah. And it it destroyed everything they, he'd never standing like it within a week. Yeah. Within a week. He was, yeah, I think he died through two to three weeks after he handled the creature like that. Weeks. Yeah, or the week after, uh, yeah, coming to the hospital. He was, he was gone. Um, okay. We're going to move forward to a next, the next part of the documentary. And this is where we talk about the flying disc, uh, and the family that you met with, uh, who, quote-unquote says, when they saw this disc spinning, glowing in the air, they said it was looking for something. Mm-hmm. And I was highly dubious at the time. And they didn't want to go on cameras, funny because so we were renting a house on the outskirts. And it was great because it had like, you know, we have a lot of equipment with us and, you know, camera crew and just for a extra layer of security, it was a really nice house owned by these doctors and it had security gate going in and out. And just for a little, you know, a little comfort. I mean, we're poking around where we shouldn't be poking around. We're a little paranoid. And so we're staying there. Oh, what do you guys? What do you guys feel mean? Of course, we told the doctors. I go, we're filming this. Oh, well, our fellow friends, you know, are also doctors and they actually saw their witnesses. So we're like, well, hey, we'd love to talk with him. We're, you know, assuming they were going to go on camera, that was the whole point and we're making a doc. We'll make it happen. Then we kept like scheduling it and then it was like, oh, maybe tomorrow, maybe tomorrow. And then finally I said, hey, let him know we're coming. Let's get the address. Let's go meet with them. We shut up cameras rolling and they're like, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no, we never, we never wanted to go on camera. We were just happy to share what we know. And it was really funny actually in the film because so I, I got out of the car, cameras rolling. And they're saying, and I wasn't literally tuning in because I'm in film mode, I'm in production mode. And they're like, oh, you know, we're, you know, we're not, we're not going on camera. And I said, okay, look, tell them this. And this is an ongoing joke and product because I was like, okay, we can either film them from the front side, we could blur their faces or we can film them from the back side. Never was there an option not to film them. Yeah, everyone was laughing. He's like, no, no, no, we're not going on camera. Okay, we're going to put you on camera like this or we'll put you on camera like this. It's so funny. So funny. There's something a magician would do. You watch it in the film. It's like, yeah, no, I heard that. Yeah, you know, it was talking about it. I was like, yeah, we'll film you like this or we'll film you like that. We're just ongoing. Yeah, we don't have the pre-context of them saying we don't want to be filmed. There's no options for no filming. Okay. So anyway, so then they start talking now, but she's not kind of trying to process this like potential crash recovery, like a, like a, like a, I call it ET, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Because this is also completely left field to to what everybody else witnessed. So you're thinking like, I was thinking that was part of, I don't know, I couldn't process at the time. I was just like, I mean, hey, don't get me wrong. I was like, okay, but then I started pizza together. And then you know, the drone footage and proximity to the capture truck proximity to where the girl's seeing it was right there. Man, it was blocks away. Their home was blocked away. Still living in the same home. All three witnesses, the mother, the wife, the daughter. And they all watched it for 20 minutes, 30 minutes. It wasn't a quick sighting. And they were like slow and methodical. The way they describe this thing moving around and going, how do you know, it was looking for something that kept asking them, how do you know it was looking for something? Are you kidding me? They were like, it was flying rullo, coming back, well, low, coming back, stopping back this like a grid search. How long did they witness it for? I think it was like 30 minutes. He says on camera, it was 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah. And he got angry when I said is there a prosaic explanation to what you saw, but a helicopter could do this. And you could see how he was like, look, man, I'm not even, I don't even want to go on camera for this. Like, I'm doing this like at great risk. I'm telling you right now, we watched it. That was it. It happened. I was here. We're a witnesses. It's like, okay. And I slowly came to the realization like, shit, this might be a crash retrieval recovery operation. ET, like what, what else could it be? Right? And then we're talking to other people in town. We go down in the town square. We're getting other witnesses saying the same damn thing. They don't even know each other. They've never gone forward. No one's ever gotten that aspect of this case on camera. And then when we recut the movie, and we had featured like I've done with this latest cut, you know, crash retrieval cases, you know, magenta, Roswell, very briefly. We're not getting spotted. Kecksburg, Kingman, you know, the landing at bent waters. And just to give an example, like this is not, you know, completely unprecedented, right? And the same thing like in the old version of the moment of contact, which is all done. It's all gone now that the new, the opening we talked about, you know, Batuba, we talked about, you know, UFO of Calares, UFOs over Brazil, 1986. And then of course, we, we lead our way into anyway, we show some photographic evidence over the years. So I'm like deleting that whole first part of the movie to make space for this entirely new cut of moment of contact, new revelations of alien encounters, just to make the distinction. And I'm looking at that footage, one of some of the best disc footage at night I've ever seen. I was like, yeah, how did I not pick up on this before? Like this is taken. So I put a look up the location, just to the south, like by the crow flies could be minutes could be, I mean, no, no, no, no time at all, just to the south of Virginia, Brazil, same year, just a couple of months later, same year. We happen to have a disc in the night sky, exactly like all the witnesses were describing flying around in neighborhood, like holy smokes. Where'd you find that footage? So Marco, Marco, no, no, Marco layout when we were researching, because I said to Marco, I was like, let's give, let's sprinkle in some of the best, like orb footage. Also, he had this footage. He found it. Marco found it. Other fellow researchers found it. But no one never been like, hey, this is by the way, it's great footage. Like it's great footage. And it's like, wait a minute, I googled the location. I'm like, man, it's just to the south of Virginia, not that far. Like, wow, and it's the same year, just a few months later, holy smokes, could there be a connection? What wouldn't there be? Yeah, I don't know. But it's pretty impressive. And it looks like, you know, all the descriptions, like I said, of over residential area at night, glowing orange, oiling. It's clearly a flying saucer. 1996. Yeah. It's really good footage. Looks like Bob Lazar's craft. You know, we same type of shape. You know, one thing that we should definitely consider doing is that I should give you the best copy I have of that. Yeah. And see if we can do some digital enhancement. Sure. Put it through AI. I don't know whatever they can do. Whatever technology software. I wouldn't put it through AI, but I would definitely clean it up. Yeah. Yeah. There's methods to clean that because AI can take some liberties that might be misleading. Okay. Yeah. Well, I don't know the process. Yeah. Well, like whatever one can do to enhance it, because I would love to do a deep dive. I'd like to see it. I mean, it's pretty damn good as it is. Oh, it's fantastic. I actually love the film grain. And I like the digital, you know, of course, it's original. Yeah. Those type of sightings, I'm very high conviction when I see something like that. Yeah. There are, you know, other sightings that are more clear, other ones that are more like orbs and this and that. And it's like, to both of those, I get a little bit more skeptical. But as soon as I see this sort of glowing shape and the shape of what it is, the little boy's, the little boy goat, it's a disc mom. Oh, I know. It's so it is for me that's, I'm pretty convinced. Yeah. Really good, right? And right there too. I know. So, but then they get visited by NASA, essentially. Oh, the family. Yeah. I mean, it's funny, actually, because the wife's like, NASA, NASA, NASA, and husband goes, maybe NASA, we don't really. Yeah. Maybe NASA. They're American. Yes. And then Ubijara. Ubijara Rodriguez was there. And he probably hated the fact that we, that they exposed him on that, but he was there with American. That's what I'm saying. So, that's where I went. Hold on a second. What are we saying? Are we saying that this UFO, this UFO researcher was the guy that did a 180 years later too. Now, he won't even talk about it. He won't be, yeah, he's just, yeah. Because he was the original researcher. He was the lawyer, that came out right at the beginning. - He was the one annihilating everybody else's arguments. He was super smart, super educated, super aware of the case. - Pro case. - And he's meeting with Americans interviewing witnesses. - And those Americans are telling him what? Tell them, what do they tell the family? - This, we were never here. - We were never here. This never happened. - Never happened. - Keep your, and this UFO researcher is right there in the trenches. - According to all three family members. - As I was taking notes, I was like, hold on. This is this guy, 'cause he kept saying Umbri Jara, Umbri Jara, and I was like, that's the name of that guy. - Dude, I'm glad you picked up on that. Most people don't. Most people, that goes right over their head. - Very significant. - Oh yeah, because Umbri Jara, - That's part of the cover up. - Part of the cover up, meeting with Americans. Evidently from NASA? I don't know. But they were like, this never happened. We were never here. - Zip. - For all of you thinking out there that you can't be compromised as a UFO researcher, you're going from this guy who's a lawyer, very smart man, and obviously very, very passionate about the Vardini case being real to now working, apparently, allegedly, with the Americans, and then just ghosting everybody. Like, I mean, come on. And then turning on it, I mean. - The girls were very, very upset with him. Some of the things he said. - Yeah. - 'Cause the girls have had everything to lose and nothing to everybody else, really. - Yeah, and they could have accepted a bag of money. - Could have accepted a bag of money, and it's like, this is not an exactly, especially then, it wasn't a career-enhancing move. Like, they were laughed at. I mean, they talk about it in the movie. Like, we've been laughed at our whole lives. You know, obviously, some people take it seriously. Some people, a lot of people believe them, but you're getting ridiculed. - So jokes. - Oh, you want the job? Like, oh, aren't you the one that sees ET? Like, you know? Like, do you think that's helping them out? Do you know what I mean? Like, oh yeah, you're the guy. You know, it's just like, the police officer won his moron in 1964. He quit his job as police officer because people were like, oh, you're the guy that sees ET, right? - Herbert Schirmer, same thing, 1962. Same thing, he quit his job. - Could his job work to the dump for the rest of his life? Was the rest of his career? - Yeah, it happens a lot. So, interesting. - Yeah, very interesting. Yeah. - And then he says that, yeah, this guy also says that multiple people he knows just kind of picked up and left. A lot of people just left town. They just skipped town. People he knew were just like gone. - Certainly disengaged and stopped talking about it. Packed a chini packed up and left for, I think, 20 years after. - Yeah, but even just witnessed it. - Yeah, probably. - Yeah, I mean, you look, Carlos de Sosa gone. Unreachable 26 years gone. Can you imagine? Packed a chini, the lead investigator gone. Ubutajada Rodriguez, 180, won't talk to anybody. Like, really? That's so wild that that family named him. That is such a, when I was like, you're one of the only people that is pointing that out. - I'm glad you kept it in. - Yeah, of course. All right, we move on to another anonymous witness who wanted to remain anonymous was the radiologist. This is, for me, one of the craziest ones because he's like, they bring in this small body bag, which is so chilling. - Could I tell you how that came about? - Yes, please. So, Marco Leal, who's an exceptional researcher, boots on the guy who's my partner, co-producer, who's also another co-producer, Aline Grass, more recently, she's joined the team, but Marco had met some students of his at some school in Virginia and somehow the topic of Virginia, UFO, you know, case came up. And they were like, oh yeah, our teacher, who's a radiologist at so and so, told us this crazy story, you know, and some Marco was like, whoa, where is he now? So, he found him, but he was still working at the time. So, years and years, years and years of effort to get him to, like, come forward. No, no, no, no, no, years, for years. No, no, no. And then finally, in 2021, I think it was, he managed to get him to come meet with us and he agreed reluctantly to go on camera, but as long as we disguised his voice and filmed him from the back. - And you know what? - He gave us two options. - Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, I know, we gave him two options. We'll film you like this. But, and it's incredible. Like, I mean, he talks about the fact that military came in, they had this something inside a ziploc bag. - Body bag, body bag. - A child's body bag. - Tank. - And it was all done in secrecy and there was no talking. Because I always ask witnesses, like, can you put me in the room? Like, what was the atmosphere like? And people were looking at each other, but there was no conversation. And like, we need you to perform this. The only time in the history of his career where he took the X-rays, and they wouldn't even let him cross to see if they came out right. They took it all. This never happened. We were never here. - Thank you very much. - You're very much. - Thank you very much, we've done your job. - You've done your job. - And what also, I think was interesting is that he told you that there was a guy with a camera there too. - No, that was, oh, that was in the other room. - Yep, that was in the driver's, that was in the military. - That was in the military. - That was in the humanitas. - I'm mistaking it too. - Yeah. - But there were cameras according to other doctors, both in the humanitas and in region. - In the region also. - Yeah, so we have names of those people too now. - Interesting. - For the first time. - Yeah, 'cause you don't miss a camera back then because they're not, they don't fit in your pocket. - Exactly. - Yeah. - Massive, like, stupid-looking things. - Yeah. - Like cell phones, you know, big breaks. - Exactly. Like these giant things you gotta wear in a strap. - Yeah, it's a whole briefcase. - Yeah. - Okay. So, yeah, that's the military man, military man acts who ends up seeing the alien in a box when he goes to the hospital. And that was just such an amazing interview at the end of, you know, the first part of this. After this, this is when we hear about in the documentary, the USF, United States Air Force. - Usef, yeah. - Usef, yeah. - Usef, I kept thinking, Usef, what's this guy talking about? Usef. - Yeah. - Usef. - Landing. - Yeah. - That is a big, big deal. - So all the airplanes coming in to a particular area, according to if they come from outside Brazil, have to have a Brazilian government authorization to land. And this plane was coming in and didn't have that authorization. And according to, I guess you call them like flight, is it flight control officers, radar? What's the name of the people that did monitor all incoming flights? - Yeah. - To their country. - Radar operators or a tower of flight control. - Sure. Anyway, apparently according to him, the plane was coming in and didn't have-- - Radio control towers. - Radio control towers. - The plane was coming in, didn't have authorization. Some high-level military, official Brazilian military, official stepped in and said let the plane land. It diverted. Apparently it was going to go into South Pala, but it didn't. It went straight to Campinas. And we have testimony from military X that he drove the trucks from him at a hospital as a military base and then from as a campiness. And so logically, something was loaded up on there. That would have been where the American stepped in. And now we have new metal boxes, metal boxes, you know, whatever. I don't know how long the creature that was in captivity that was alive. We don't know how long it stayed alive. Was it alive when the Americans took it? My understanding is it was. How long did it stay alive? We don't know yet. But yeah. More pieces of the puzzle are filling in 'cause now we have testimony from, you know, the military X should drove the creature. Well, we've had that, but now we have testimony from the chief of police, not anonymous. Put his face in his name on camera. - It's a big deal. - He was like, yeah, I saw a creature under a tarp, something under a tarp. More brass than I've ever seen in the history of my career at as a military base. Helicopters landing going, whole commotion. And he's like, yeah, the Americans came to Campinas. And that's when they took the stuff. - Which as we find out a bit later, pissed off a lot of the local military. You then, which I thought was just the coolest thing ever, you produced a Freedom of Information Act request to find a flight log of the CIA, or not of the CIA of the United States Air Force. - Working with two different people, basically, there was a gentleman, hey, how can I help? I was like, hey, we want to file a 40 request, okay, let me know what an information you want. I had this other gentleman anonymously reaching out to me, and he was so knowledgeable. He was like, you gotta check here, you gotta check that. There's gonna be flight logs, da, da, da, da, da. And we were going back and forth for a while, and I had a lot of incoming information, and just processing after the Joe Rogan appearance for this case was a full-time job, just trying to receive all the messages, process all the messages, trying to get back to everybody. But there was one person in particular who was really knowledgeable. I mean, I was like, who are you? And he's like, actually, I'm a Colonel in United States Air Force, I was a former fighter pilot, and I had a very dramatic UFO encounter in 1980. I've been following your work, I'm following this case, and I want to help you find that flight. So I was like, oh, cool. So now I'm working with the Colonel in United States Air Force, but tired, but still, like, he's amazing. Frederick Claussen, he's okay for me to talk about this. So, anyway, so he's giving me guidance. There's another gentleman, to consider one of our team guys, and he's like, hey, let's do this. What do you want me to say? And I was like, okay, all flights coming into the United States. And I don't know what the span of time was. Maybe it was 10 days, maybe it was two weeks. I can't remember, but I wanted to make sure it was before the crash. And like, you know, up to 10 days or eight days or a week after January 20th. So we just covered that whole window. But I was going to do a nice block, all planes coming in. And so we file that FOIA in 2021, 2022, probably 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025. We get a response from the CIA from the CIA. And what what pray tell does the CIA tell you to no surprise? Well, like basically resorting back to some thing that was signed in 1944, the 19th National Security, you know, I think they said the National Security Actors. We can either confirm or deny it, you know, the information according to the 1949 act. You know, and you could show the document, it's, it's National Security or classified. We're not going to tell you. Yeah, basically stone walled white wrecked for an entire block from the CIA too. Why would we get a reach out of the CIA? That's kind of telling me. Yeah, of course it's telling. I'm not a FOIA guy, right? I mean, I'm just not, I'm not seasoned. But everyone that I've shown that to, including like Chris Mellon, are highly dubious. Like, well, that's really odd. And of course it's odd. Yeah, right? Like, of course it's odd. Of course it's of course the, the, the, the, the landed without authorization in Brazil. They're not going to admit to that. Yeah. Even if there was nothing to pick up, they're not going to admit to a random, you know, plane landing unauthorized. Like that's just like, that's just proof that they weren't supposed to be there. For whatever reason, they're not answering that. Get up a flight log. Yeah, it just so happens that there was also talk of an alien running around and a ship crashing must to be must must be coincidental that they also don't answer questions about their flight log during that week. You know what you should do? You should FOIA request a month after and a month before. Interesting. Yeah, interesting. Just to get them to be like, Oh, yeah, no, we were not there. You know what I should do? I should get some of the members of Congress that I'm working with to do that. Yeah, for your request, a bunch of random dates that year, you know what? Before and after if it came from a city member of Congress, yeah, that would be a more effective way of doing it. But even even like yet, don't you think? Yeah, of course not coming from a civilian. This is coming from a city member of Congress. Of course, but I mean, if these are usaps, they're not going to, you know, or even special access programs. They're not going to allow, you know, anybody access, but I did find out that where the body is most likely went was on the East Coast, and that's as much information that I can get on the East Coast. Yeah, the bodies went to the East Coast East Coast United States. Do you think there was a, I was, where was I looking at? I found out somebody from the DIA told me that DIA. That's what the individual said. Oh, interesting. That actually, that that that's pretty high conviction that it would go to the East Coast. And then the individual was like, that's that's as far as I'm going. Probably DNI Department of Naval Intelligence, which doesn't exist somewhere on an island. A floating island is my guess. I would like to know, and I'd also like to know how long that entity stayed alive and what kind of communication there was because there was communication. And it was all done through the eyes. I'd like to know which I want to know so bad, Chris, you have no idea. I understand. It brings us to Dr. E. Tallow Venturelli. Yes, a hero in my, in my eyes, this, this man deserves a medal. This guy's not retired and he's not doing it anonymous. He's an absolute saint. He's the head surgeon at the hospital, regional and, and he's still, yeah. He is still there. He was the head of three hospitals, folks, right? This is no, so let me tell you how we got slouch. Let me tell you how we got to him. This is a sort of truncated version. Marco, my partner, Marco Leal, he, um, he has, I, I can't give away too much, but I need to give away just enough. Sure, yeah, still protecting some of our sources, keep your sources. Yes. So there's a couple of different hospitals. I don't know, not going to name which one, but we have someone on the inside who's been meeting with us off the record, discreet, very discreetly. And saying, this is, you need to go talk to this individual. You need to talk to them. Why is that because they were shown some stuff? And so we went to Marco has been like, okay, this is the individual. This is the doctor we need to talk to. We know that this doctor was shown video. We know this other doctor was shown video. So Marco's reaching out to these various doctors. And about a year ago, we had heard through another doctor through our contact on the inside, working in this hospital, um, the doctor, Etolo was shown the video. Okay. So Marco arranges a time where it was like, you know, a zoom call a little over a year ago with Dr. Etolo was a neurosurgeon at regional. Like, hey, did you really see this video? And he admits, I don't even know if this was recorded. It probably was recorded. I wouldn't know he, Marco was recorded, but I was on the other end of it. And he was a translator. And he confesses that he, yeah, there is a video and he did see it. So that was about a year ago. So this is kind of all ongoing. So then, uh, fast forward about a year later, you know, that individual still on our target is still like on our, in our sites, right? But I really wanted to get the two forensic pathologists, particularly Dr. Janini because he was getting on in the years to talk about the bacteria that we could possibly incorporate in a new cut of moment of contact. And, um, so we're doing these interviews with them at IPD. You can look up the acronym for that, but it's basically the two forensic pathologists. It's the company that did the analysis, the tissue sample analysis of the deceased military officer, as well as, uh, the doctor that did the autopsy on the deceased military officer, Mark or Shrezy. So we're doing this interview. It's all amazing. They're saying some incredible stuff and we're super excited. And we're like, Hey, there's this other doctor. We're really trying to breach him. And that was Dr. Eatolo and, uh, Dr. Armando, who did the autopsy on the deceased military officer, he goes, Hey, yeah, yeah, hold on a second. Pulls his phone out. Hey, Dr. Eatolo. What a done. They're speaking in Portuguese and then he goes, okay, okay. You're like, hangs up tomorrow morning. Wow, go around to the back gate at regional hospital. He's going to meet you there at 10 o'clock, say 10 o'clock. Right. Okay. So the next morning, we all get in the car, camera's rolling sound guy. Let's roll. We go to the back gate. The back, back entry point, not the front, the back. And it was like, that's kind of odd. We didn't know exactly what was happening. And, and that's when he walks out in his full like rubs. Yeah, he's, he's working in the, he's, he's working. And he sneaks us in the back, and he's sneaking us down these long core, core doors and then I'm talking to the camera thinking like where are we going? How does he showing us? I'm totally thinking that because you think this guy's only seen video. Exactly. So he's, we're going us down there and we don't really know what's happening. No unbeknownst to our whole team since the year before meeting where we confronted him on. Did he see the video? He had a heart attack. He went into the ICU. He was staring at the ceiling. His partner that was also a neurosurgeon at regional hospital, Marcus Finesis, he had a heart attack in 2018 and died. And so he was apparently staring at the ceiling in the ICU. They can, I'm going to take this to the grave, just like my partner. Like, then on top of that. So he was like, if I recover, I'm, I think I'm going to go public. Then on top of that, he got cancer, I think a prostate cancer. He's been recovering from that as well. So I think he was just like still working at the hospital, how to wake up call? How to wake up call? And he was like, you know, for the sake of my grandchildren, you know, future generations, I'm not going to take this to the grave. So he sneaks us in and I have no idea what's going on. Everything's happening rather quickly, right? So I'm told that I got to put on these grubs. I got to put on a mask. I got to put on a hat because you can't enter ICU without that. You have to have all that gear on. So I'm putting everything on sterile environment. What's going on? Like what's happening? What's, what's, you know, I'm just, okay, I'm just doing what I'm told. Sound guy, camera guy, Marco's there. Alene is there translator, you know, and, and takes us into the ICU. Then he starts talking about, you know, this is where I, you know, this is where I saw the video. Is this bed? And then he was just like, yeah, the ET was right here in this bed, right here in this room. I'm like, wait a minute, the video, the ET, what, what? And then it all comes out like, yeah, I was here that night. Marcus Vinesis is the one that performed the procedure. I was in this room with the ET and we're, I'm just, I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Like this is all unraveling. All I'm camera, it's happening where he was just saying, I don't care what the consequences are. I don't care anymore. I'm old enough. I'm seasoned enough. I'm important enough. A pocket, you know, I mean, I'm coming forward and he's doing it. And then we're filming. I'm just shocked. The whole thing is just like, I can't believe this is happening. Like development is one of the biggest if true. It's the biggest, most significant development in history of the phenomenon because I challenge anyone out there to show me testimony from anyone, particularly a neurosurgeon, an active neurosurgeon, not retired, who's putting his entire career on a line to say, I had face-to-face contact telepathic communication for three to four minutes with an alien in captivity. Chris Cretney, if I'm wrong, I can't think of another case. It's the first. Yeah, and I happen to have your first hat on when it happened. But anyway, so we're filming that. I'm just trying to process as best I can. And I speak French, a little bit of Spanish, so I didn't spend it for a few years. So, and when I'm in the field, I'm in China or in Africa, whatever the hell I am, I really want to know what's being said. No idea. I go to another level of communication. I'm on a spiritual level. I want to hear. So, I'm picking up words. I'm doing everything I can, reading body language. But when I'm in the field, I need to be able to communicate with people. I need to see, I want to know exactly what's being said. You know what I mean? So, I'm picking up on pieces like what's happening. I'm filling the energy in the room. Damn, like all the hospital staff catch us filming in there. And they're pissed off and they grab their neurosurgeon and they're like, you know, and like, shit, I probably just got this guy fired. You know what's going to happen. Ultimately, we get kicked down. He's like, I'm sorry, good. Before you go to this next location, which ends up being, I think, one of the most important interviews I've ever seen. Yeah. He's sitting there pointing to the bed and saying the being was under blank, like tucked like a little patient. He said, he looked like a seven, he had the body of a seven year old. Yes. And the skin was white. Yes. Pale. Yes. And he said the eyes were reddish. He didn't say red. Yeah. You know, a lot of people thinking these glowing red eyes that wasn't the case. They were red, maybe even from, you know, and contrary to other reports we had heard about this creature being brown, maybe once, you know, and we can assume based on other testimony from other cases that this is excrement that they are leaking out of their skin. It could be brown as well. And that might, you know, once wiped off, leave them very pale. Also what the, or maybe the heat of the hot sun. Also, and the molecular biologist that allegedly, if you go and read it, there's a report of this molecular biologist that allegedly worked on some of these beings that were frozen, they were pale as well. But he'd noticed there were thousands of pores on the skin in that their whole system would excrete through the skin. So very similar. But there are other animals that excrete that excrete through the skin as it paint. I think chickens or chickens. Yeah. I think chickens. Okay. Also. Okay. But yeah. So you have this being now sitting here, and he says it was like serene. It was calm. And in his words, he says he had control of the room. Yeah. Despite the fact that it was in captivity, it had control of the room. Yeah. And when he looked at it in the eyes, he was like, it just read all my thoughts, communication, read all my thoughts, like he knew everything I was thinking. And he said it was the most advanced intelligence. And I said way more advanced. This guy's a, I mean, a place piano like Mozart. I mean, he's a brain surgeon. He's an extraordinary human being when you meet him. I mean, he's an extraordinary human being. And, and he's empathetic, super empathetic. And he said it was an advanced intelligence. I said, what do you mean anything more advanced than anything on earth? It didn't have a mean bone in its body. It was an angel. He's described it as an angel. Yeah. And he was, and then I remember asking him like, because we got kicked out of the hospital. When that whole, you know, that whole commotion happened, you're not supposed to be filming here. You guys don't have permits. What are you doing? Yeah. But this is where it all took place. Yeah. We know that. But we can't, you can't be in here and out of the, I'm sorry. You know, and it's all happening quickly. It's like, you know, the confrontation with Eric Lopes where I, it's all happening quickly. And I'm hearing it's all in a foreign language. And I'm trying to process what's going on. And I'm thinking this guy probably just lost his job. He's thinking, maybe I might have lost my job. You know, we ended up leaving, going to do a cafe. I mean, we were just walking to the streets. Do we know where they held we're going? But I wasn't going to let it go there. I need to just sit him down somewhere. We just walked into a cafe and sat down and took over that cafe. I saw that. I saw the staff in the back and he's going on. Yeah. And then I'm crying. And he's crying. He, you know, he says something. You can tell when you ask him, you know, you ask him about the being and he starts going, you know, there was no evil. It was an angel. And he starts getting very emotional. You can tell he's feeling for this being. And you know, he goes, quote, that stuck with me. We have a lot to learn through the eyes of that being. And that was just so powerful seeing how emotionally worked up. He wasn't delivering that. And you being able to connect with him and him being able to read that you were sincere because of spending 15 years. Yeah. More than 15 years going back to, he knew how much you cared about this. And it was cathartic for him. You, you, you, you get the sense that this immense weight was in that moment for the first time, perhaps in three decades, he was able to communicate the profound nature of his exchange, his telepathic communication with an extraterrestrial with someone else. The fact that you caught that on video is, is incredible. And the whole David West, I got to say, David West, our DP had such a tough task at hand because everything was on the fly. Nothing was set up. He had light coming in from the windows. He was like, James, I was hustling. I was trying not to miss. I only had one camera. And I was adjusting things as fast as I could trying to make it stand on the face, trying to get you like, it was all on the fly. And David West did a remarkable job. Thank you, David West, capturing that moment because it was really intense for me because it's like, remember, this is an ongoing investigation for me and for Marco Leal. I mean, look at Marco at one point. The camera pans across to him and he's, he wipes his forehead and he shakes his head a little bit. Like, did that just happen? Is this just happening? Is this happening right now? Like, did I just hear what I thought I heard? And then, you know, as someone who's investigated the case, you know, 15, 16 years, I'm like, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't believe this happened. Like, what is it? What is it like for you after 29 years to finally get this off your chest? And he starts to cry. And then, and then we had that moment and he grabs my hands. Then they had neurosurgeon, dude. grabs my hands and he kisses my hands. It's like, you can believe it. You can believe it. And that's when he says, there's so much to learn from the eyes of that being. It's like, whoa, you know what I mean? And like, everybody that I've talked to, I mean, who knows? Like, you never know how a film is going to be received in the public. I did my best to try to like, you know, tell the story in a compelling way. We have so much more compelling firsthand eyewitness testimony now, chief of police, friends of pathologist, neurosurgeon, like another crash witness or another witness of the of the cylindrical shape object, very, you know, proximity to everything else. But also incorporates some of the allegations coming from the American side from the congressional hearings. I don't want to like beat a dead horse or like, regurgitate all bunch of stuff that's already happened. But I felt like, you know, the congressional hearings are very compelling. The allegations crash retrieval, a lot of people coming forward. I feel the frustration within the, within the community that they're not providing enough details to verify these extraordinary claims and the criticisms coming in. But I have to remind everybody out there that in the last four years we've had four congressional hearings, three of which we've talked about, you know, a crept potential crash retrieval. People who test to find under oath, okay, let's like take a moment and recognize that, you know, it's not happening overnight. It's things are moving pretty quickly considering how far it's been since the previous congressional hearings over 50 years. But like, so you know, taking the congressional hearings, making some sense of that talking to our Davis aerospace engineer, it's phenomenal. But then kind of fusing the two. So it's like you talk about crash retrieval, you talk about biologics, live aliens. I can't think, and maybe you can, but personally, I can't think of a better case than the Virginia case involving the Americans. I don't think there's a better, more well-documented recent case in the world that I know of. And so, um, but who knows how this can be received. I mean, there's ontological shock at the time. People can't even process. Like, I know how I looked at it all. When I was doing my second documentary on UFOs, I was, it can't be there for it isn't, right? So I don't know, Chris, I really don't know. I've never, we'll see how this lands. I don't care what people think about this documentary if they don't watch it. Yeah. Watch it. Good point. Yeah. That's all I care about is that you watch it. You want to critique some of the editing, you want to critique a music choice? Go for it. I don't give a shit. Watch that documentary. Look into the eyes of the people that are putting everything on the line to tell you about the most important significant interaction that's ever existed. I think with this movie and with the research that you've been doing, this is some of the most profound important work done in disclosure, including the congressional hearings. I think this, to me, holds more value because we're not talking to lawmakers or people who've, you know, signed away their lives with NDAs. We're talking to human beings, human beings from all walks of life who are all in their own right credible, regardless of if they've served in the military or not. Those people are real and you get to see their emotion, you get to see the tears flowing from their eyes. This is real. This happened. And I think that it's some of the most important work ever in this subject. I think you've done a great service to humanity with this. I really do. Well, I really want to make sure that all the other people involved get the credit to all the previous researchers, Mark O'Leah, Lini Cross, you guys, everyone out there that's come before us. Like Gloria, Packuccini, Packuccini, Hubert O'Jada, Rodriguez, Marco Patee, like, you know, we are stronger together. Absolutely. And we, and I think on the co-tells of age of disclosure, you know, with Louis Luzando and Dan Farrow, you could call that a "ciop," whatever you want to call it. I personally don't believe that, but they're making extraordinary claims, extraordinary allegations at the highest levels we've ever seen before in history. And I have to tip my hat to those involved for getting that done. And then now we've got the case. Yeah. The case. This is it. So you're looking for, you're looking for the evidence? This is the case, in my opinion. And it's ongoing. Yeah, it's ongoing. You know, I look forward to sitting here in a year for now. By the time, by the time you're audience, hopefully we'll be able to premiere, by the time really interesting video. By the time you're audience is watching this, I would have been back with another team of people meeting with more doctors in the community than ever before in history. It's exciting. I want you to be safe, man. You know, this is another thing I want to just touch on. I want to talk about Vittorio a little bit more here, because prior to the movie, you started releasing interviews with him. Yeah. What was the reason for that? You know, to announce the fact that he's back in. You talking about Pakistani? No, I'm talking about. Oh, sorry. I'm talking about the neurosurgery. He's not like a petal. Oh, okay. Thank you. Sorry. You know, when we drop the trailer, that obviously includes clips of him in the trailer. So the people, not like people aren't going to know. Yeah. Um, we talked to Ross Colthart at News Nation and like, hey, you know, I'd actually spoken to him a while ago, right after I'd done the interviews, we'd gotten back, I don't know, a couple months later, from Brazil, and I was like talking to Ross at contact in the desert along with a handful of others, and I was telling him, oh gosh, we just got back. He's like, "I have some one of my favorite cases." You're not going to believe, you know, we got, you call him when you're ready to make some announcements, drop the trailer, announce the film's imminent release, this sort of thing. And so, uh, so I contacted him, I was like, we're ready, we're ready like in a couple of days. He's like, can you do a interview tomorrow? I was like, well, and maybe, you know, you could have a little teaser clip of Dr. Yishelo, of course, you know, and after we filmed initially, earlier, the way earlier this year, we'd gone back a second time, and then by the time you're auditing this, gone back a third time, because we're really getting to know Yishelo, we did another hour-long plus, you know, head on interview with him on camera, going into more details. Yeah, and he also like, defends himself. Yeah, getting to know his wife. Where he's like, I'm, I'm, I'm the head of three hospitals. Yeah, I'm not a slouch. Yeah. Listen to me. Exactly. And, and with everything to lose, and nothing to gain. I love it. It's like, but getting to know his wife, getting his wife to know us, you know, because we have other, there are other, there are, I can't, um, I'm kind of sworn to secrecy until, until January, and not because, uh, I'm trying to be evasive or anything, but there are other things in the works, of course, that are, that are going to be, it's going to be more than just a documentary. This is a movement, and this is involving a lot of people behind the scenes, and there will be another big announcement in early January. And I mean, big announcement in early January that we've been working on for seven or eight months. And again, I wish I could just tell you guys everything because I just can't for a number of reasons. You'll understand later. But, uh, when you give me a heads up, of course, I will. Because I would love to, of course, do anything I can to help with that, of course, I will. But it'll involve things that are happening right here in the United States. So big, big stuff, yeah. But yeah, so we, you know, uh, Ross is like, hey, can we take a little snippet, of course, you know, let's, let's have, and let's have him in his own words. Let's address him, you know, and I, with, when I had him, Dr. Eatslow, with all the other, like forensic pathologists were going to their homes, we're meeting their partners, their wives, their friends, their local hangout spots, the restaurants they, they enjoyed to go to. Everyone getting to know each other, literally performing, he's amazing on the piano. People are singing, playing guitar, he plays the on the movie, yeah, just getting to know each other. Yeah, he sent us that clip, right? I was like, it's so beautiful. That is so beautiful. I need to have that in the movie. And of course, the hands of like a neurosurgeon, you understand, like, right, like, literally performing brain surgery, like, these hands have to be steady, stable, like, I'm a magician. Yeah. I know, you know, what it takes to develop certain muscles in the fingers and different parts of the hand for, you know, slight of hand practice, it pales in comparison to what this guy does. I'll tell you that. He told me, he would say, like, he's so focused on surgery. I want to say, like, he has to take a break, and if somebody come in to replace him for a little bit, while he takes a break, 10, 12, 13 hour surgeries, and he goes, James, I'm so focused, I'm like, I'm looking through the microscope and my whole existence is inside that brain for so many hours, you understand the level of intensity of what the work that I do. I was like, I never thought of it like that before. He goes, I was like, you know, a couple of, so I'm going to these go on for like a whole day, half a day or whatever, you know what I mean? And he goes, I'm in that brain because I'm just, my whole existence is inside there and then having to come out of that existence is incredible, you know, I've never been friends with a brain surgeon before, like a neurosurgeon. He's incredible. He's an incredible human being. And imagine trusting him to imagine trusting him to fix your brain. Yeah, yeah. No, we jokingly. But don't trust him about what he says. Thank you. That's insane. He said to him jokingly, I was like, Hey, Dr. Eitel, this is just recently because we're on, we're, you know, we're going to be together in a week. And I said, could you do me a favor and he's like, what's that? And I said, could you put a bigger brain in my head? We bought that a really good lab because it's like, you know, we're all joking around with each other. He goes, well, I see you again. I'm going to show you a real brain like this. I was like, really? He goes, oh, yeah, he's incredible. He's amazing. I love the ad of him. Have you had, has he had any backlash and repercussions due to his appearance? Yes. And this is before the movie comes out. So this is only because of what was put out. He lost his job. No way. But he got his job back because he was so needed. But yeah, he, yes, wait, how did he lose his job? How did he find out? I don't know if he was fired or exactly that happened, but I, and I was so upset. Directly because of this, yes. But then, then within a week, they realized they couldn't survive without him. He had to, he was so critical, he was the head guy and he could do things that nobody else can do. That's incredible. So they had to have him back on board. So yeah, that happened. So I put out a video like, and I said, you know, I was a walking, talking video in the countryside, I said, look, whether you believe him or you don't believe him, this man has dedicated his life to making lives better for other people. He has a hero, he's dedicated his life to do amazing things. At the very least, have respect for him when you're criticizing. Just give this man the dignity and respect he deserves. And then I said, if there's anybody out there in the military community thinking about paying him a visit, I will dedicate my life to finding and exposing that effort. I don't care whatever it takes. We're watching you. We're watching him. He's under our protection and I, and any other witness that comes forward is saying, gets the same treatment. They need to be respected and protected to show like, and, and, and that's been totally fine ever since. And I think that he really appreciated that video that I put out because I was like, I'm keeping an eye on you. We all are. And we got your back. The fact that he got your back fired for saying what he said and then re-- re-hired is so, I mean, I love the fact that he got re-hired. It just goes to show you like he didn't get fired for a lack of mental faculty. Because then they wouldn't have re-hired him. He got fired for an entirely different reason. One that they had no choice but to overlook, so it couldn't have been that serious. Like, that's, I'll get him to make a statement about it soon, very soon. Well, I hope, you know, I hope everything goes well, I hope everything goes well for him for you, for your team, for everyone involved. You know, you have, you're in my thoughts constantly and I'm really like, you know, throwing out whatever protections I can around you and your whole team and, and all the witnesses, I think, just absolutely. We're in this together and we're stronger together. Yeah, man, absolutely. I got some questions. I want you to answer. Well, actually, our audience does. So give me a second. You got it, brother. All right. So we have some questions here. Yes, sir. Lovely audience who's always, who always brings the heat with the questions I got to say. And if you know the confirmed or deny, if you guys want a chance in an opportunity to ask our guests some questions, you can also sign up to the membership with that comes a lot of perks, including extra episodes, but also you get to, yeah, you get to appear on this little board behind me and here is the first question from Dracolich. Okay. What film do you believe best represents the phenomenon now the phenomenon. That's my answer, but if you had to maybe a film that isn't even like a documentary about the phenomenon, like what is maybe like a fiction or science fiction movie, do you think would close encounters? Close encounters? Yeah. I think that's. I mean, yeah, you know, has everything really funny because Virginia, if you think about it, the Virginia case 1996, like think of the parallels to E.T., right? I often think what would have happened because when Katya Lilliani and Valkyria came within 10 feet of a live creature in broad daylight, remember that Lilliani and her sister were the youngest because Katya was 21, Lilliani was 16, her daughter, her sister was 14, Valkyria. She grabbed her younger sister and high-tailed it out of there. I don't know how far they got 100 feet, 200 feet, whatever, and they realized, shit, we left Katya back there, Katya is back there and she leaves her younger sister Valkyria and Lilliani goes back to get Katya. Katya was frozen, locked eyes on this creature, and the creature was pleading with her, I need help, I'm weak, I'm frightened, I'm just scared and was asking, now, what would happen? Let's just say, if Katya had decided to lure this creature into safety, take it in, take it in the house. I see where you're going. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, that would have been the real life ET. Well, I'll tell you how it mimicked reality before it happened. You know what I'm saying? Well, anyway, so it's good to take it in a different turn. Yeah. Absolutely. All right, which one first here? Let's do this one first. This is from Edson. There's only one stop and it's disclosure. If you could truth serum, one person about the phenomenon, any era, who would you choose? That's a good question. How put off? How put off with truth serum? Yeah. Interesting. I mean, that's a good point. That's a good point. I said incorrect. Even, probably, Detlef Bronk, who is like the biologist who came to us, and said, "I don't know what I'm saying." I'm not saying that. I don't know what I'm saying. It's a good point. I don't know what I'm saying, but I don't know what I'm saying. What I'm saying. He was a guy. I would have been good. I would say George Bush senior. I'd still rise in the hour. I think you hear that address when he left office. That's true. About the military industrial complex. I mean, that came from somewhere. When did Eisenhower's dep down? 60? No, isn't that. Wasn't in the 50s. So that was 61 to give that address. Oh, was it? Okay. I could be wrong. I thought I was 61. I could be wrong. Yeah, check out. Well, I know he served in the 50s. So it might have been 60s. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, I'm pretty sure he's got it. He took a lot of the grave. Yeah. Unfortunate too, right? Yeah. He seemed like a decent man from like, when you hear that speech, it seems like he was strong armed into obviously not giving up secrets. When you hear about the lore and stuff that involves Eisenhower and the gifts that he might have been given at these meetings and whatnot. You know, one other person that comes to mind is, you know, when I, I told you about this guy, Jeff Sagancki earlier in the show. Yeah. And Jeff, I had tremendous, I still do. I have. In fact, he just called me a couple days ago. I need to call him back, but he was head of Sony pictures. He was very influential behind the scenes. Never wanted credit. Never wanted to die. And one day, I asked Jeff Sagancki, Hey, why are you so good to me? Why are you helping me out? He's like, you know, James, you're a small independent filmmaker. You're one guy out there trying to like really get to the truth, find out what's going on. I admire that in your, your tenacity. And I was friends with Jackie Gleason. Oh. And I said, really? And not really knowing exactly where this was going to go, but he goes, yeah, I worked on a, I think he worked on some film with him. I'm not sure which one it was a while ago, obviously. And Jackie Gleason told Jeff Sagancki to his face, I don't care what anybody tells you about UFOs. I know for a fact, they are absolutely real. And the government knows it. No question that they don't, he didn't say, Hey, the president of the United States took me out to an amazing border and showed me bodies and good, but he did all but say that. Because interestingly enough, so Jackie Gleason could have been one too. I wonder what celebrity would have been given such access because you have to think that even the people in charge with NDAs that have signed their lives away are still, can still be susceptible to vanity. And you know, some of them must be like, you know, that James Fox guy, I'm really big fan of his, you know, and like they're, you know, it's not unlikely that there's a celebrity out there that got some form of access to something. My problem is they couldn't do that to me because I wouldn't take it to my grave. Yeah. I wouldn't. Yeah. Because I feel like humanity, so sorry, step away from the mic, I just feel like I wouldn't take it to the grave. No, yeah. I would be like, if you're going to show me this, I'm going to talk about it. So don't give me any, because I feel like, why should I be any better than anybody else? Why should I be showing something that everybody should be showing the same? Yeah. So I wouldn't make that, I mean, I'd go and see it, but I would reveal that I saw it. Yeah. I would write a science fiction book. That's a, that's a, yeah, we put it all in there. Yeah. Well, there's, you know, you hear about secret machines, Nick Pope also wrote science fiction. Uh-huh. You know, so, yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Last question here before we let you go, and this one, quite a deep question. So, you know, if you, if you have no answer for it, that's fine. Okay. Have you learned it from Zen? Have you learned anything in your investigations that has influenced your view of the, on the afterlife? I'm going to take a vow for 300, please. I'll take a Y. No kidding. I'm kidding. Yeah. Yeah, I have. Yeah. And, uh, unfortunately, right now, I am dealing with my older sister, Janine, who I cherish, and she has multiple sclerosis and she's succumbing to multiple sclerosis at her will. Uh, and it would have happened by the time this, this, this came out. And we talked recently about, and she's very pragmatic and, you know, she's like, look, man, I've had a great life. Don't pity poor me. Uh, I said that when it came to the point where I can no longer take care of myself, I didn't want to be a burden on anybody else. I want to be a burden on my kids. I'm going to, I'm going to go my way, I'm going to button up all my affairs, get everything in order, which is what she's done. And then, uh, I said, well, would it be okay if I tried to communicate with you on the other side? She's like, of course, of course. And I said, vice versa. If you want to try to communicate with me on the other side. I mean, it's kind of weird having these conversations when someone's still alive, right? But it's just, it is what it is, man. It's really depressing and really sad and I've cried so much in the last couple weeks. You know, I've been very emotional with so many things going on. But she said, "Well, what's the best evidence that you've heard that there's something on the other side?" And I said, "Well, I work with Leslie Keene, and she wrote a book about surviving death." I think it was called surviving death. And then there was a Netflix original made, I think it was a six-part series or something about it called surviving death based on her book. So I called Leslie and I've known her for years. For years. I was one of the first people to put her on camera with Tim Coleman, but for out of the blue back in the late '90s, I think it was late '90s, yeah, probably in the late '90s, in 2000, I don't know, whatever. And I said, "Leslie, give me your best shot. How do you know there's something on the other side?" And without a moment's hesitation, she's like, "Well, my partner, lover, died of my arms a while ago." And he was there one minute and then in the next minute, his soul, he was just a carcass. He was like a piece of styrofoam, I mean, he was cardboard, you know. And she was like, "Where did the essence of his soul, like where, what just happened?" You know what I mean? Because it's very obvious that this, he's gone. So she started researching it and she said that she found a medium, I don't think she'd ever met this medium and she might have even used an alias. But she, I think it was a remote thing, somebody in, who might have been Arizona. And she said, "Look, James, he was one of two things, either somehow this medium read my mind, things that I weren't even thinking about, very intimate moments with my lover before that individual died, like details that I've never shared with anybody on the planet ever. Either she read that in my mind, which I wasn't thinking about, which quite honestly I hadn't thought about in a long time, or she communicated with him on the other side. It was one of the other. So, wow, that's, that's, that's pretty compelling." Thanks for sharing that. Of course. Good luck with everything. Thank you. I appreciate that. James, you're gentlemen. You're always welcome here and every time you come here, I am just completely flabbergasted by the amount of empathy you have and the amount of care that you take with all of these investigations, everything you do. So, I wish you nothing but the best of safety and luck in your continuation of this amazing journey. Thanks. Well, I appreciate you having me on and you're the most amazing magician and podcaster out there. One of the top. So, I really appreciate you too. Appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah.