They Live (1988)

Tom the fire up the VCR! This one's my favorite! [music] That was gold! Welcome to Nantelog Jones of the Dippo Film, I'm Steve. I'm Chris. No, Brad. And we're a VHS podcast that looks at the box our trailers and behind the scenes. And we're doing a Brad pick. So Chris, in case they can't read, what did Brad pick? 1988's they live. All right, Brad. This is a big one. Why'd you pick it? Well, I stole it from you. All right, that's fair. Also, you know, it's something we've been wanting to do for a while. I know you had mentioned it and I felt like this was a good time. It's always a good time to watch they live. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, this is one of those that gets just as good or better every time you watch it. Yeah, it's a classic. Do you guys remember the first time you ever saw it? No. No. No, how about you, Brad? I would have been a kid and I probably thought it was like an alien movie at first. Like, aliens are taking over and you know, you watch it later and it has these deeper messages that you don't understand, you know, when you're 12 years old or so. Yeah, I'm assuming it was something my dad rented and watched or owned. Does he ride a riding bike? Yeah, I got to watch this in high school. One of the guys that I was playing D&D with was just like, I got some movies in a rock your mind, you know, blow your brain out. And I'm like, okay, what do we got? And it was recorded off TV. He gave me two cassettes. One was they live. And the other one was video drum. So video, I love video drum. So I got to watch those two basically back to back nights, you know, like I think it was maybe during the summer or something. I don't know. Yeah. So back in the day when I was playing sports and also playing D&D, which I don't think any kids can pull off nowadays because sports take up so much time. But back then in the 80s, no one gave a shit what we did or 90s. Yeah, anyway, that's that's the way I did the man what a way like fast forwarding through the commercials on this thing in the middle of the night being like, what am I watching with rowdy biker and it's amazing. Just got better through the years. Every time I watch it. It did. Yeah, you really. Really captured what he was going after here. Yeah, and I remember zero advertisements of it when I was a little kid. So this, you know, it's not like Batman. I always remember the commercials for Batman and stuff. But this is the type of movie. I don't recall it all. And so it was fun in the 90s to discover this. Yeah, I was three when this came out. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I was six. Do you know how it came about though is John Carpenter ended up meeting rowdy piper and WrestleMania three, which it was fun to find out the carpenters such a big wrestling fan. It wrestling was everywhere then. I was a huge wrestling fan of 80s and 90s early 2000s. Yeah, I also think it helped because it was at least back then if you were kind of like an outsider if you were watching it. There was a little bit of embarrassment with it, you know, like telling people. Then I switched over to kind of came in and became mainstream though. You know, one thing that I think helped out wrestling a lot immensely was that we don't always watch Saturday night live. Like for some reason, my parents thought it was appropriate for us to watch Saturday night live. And then once every month they show main event. It was basically a pay-per-view or you know, Hulk Logan would have a cliffhanger ending at the end of every every episode. Yeah, it got me into it, you know, I think it's funny because my wife's family let them watch Saturday night live. They always were allowed to stay up on Saturday and watch and so was I. I always remember that too is just like because a lot of comedy went way over my head. I just remember because especially like, you know, in the early 90s when my parents first started let me do it. And I'm watching you know, Adam Sandler Chris, of course Chris Farley was a star in our house. Instant big guy and a little. Yeah, I remember like we've started watching it was like, you know, tunes is the driving cat. The church lady. Yeah, yeah, you were more early 90s with it. Maybe even late 80s. Where kids not allowed to watch Saturday night live. It was like a huge thing in my family. They bought the tapes they'd watch from the daytime. I just well, I mean, like when you're eight or nine and you know, whatever I was when it first started like a lot of those jokes we never got. But I guess the slapstick stuff that I came up with it didn't matter. Like if the normal Donald jokes that I remember here and as a kid, I had no idea what I'll have those men. No, I laughed because they laughed. Yes. And he'll ignore me down almost doing. He's like, man, he's talking about this. Oh, Jason Simpson a lot. That's funny. Yeah, so to get back in this, if we're going down the video store aisle. And you see this tape, you know, you see rowdy piper with his eye, you know, just staring right at you. The sunglasses pull down. You see this like alien creepy alien creature, by the way. And then, you know, they live all in caps underneath. I don't remember this at all. But would you? But what I as an adult, yes, teenager. But if I knew that that was rowdy piper, yes. I'd run it off the creepy phase. I think it'd be like an action horror or something like that. So I'd be like, yes, I'm getting it for that. Then yeah, or shitty sci fi. You don't really know. That's a thing is like, it's just amazed me at that. I don't remember this is all at all as a kid. And even though it has rowdy piper in it, you think the kids in the playground would be talking about it. Oh, yeah, there was a cartoon like Hulk Hogan's rocking wrestling at the time where. You know, his back and honor the giant was on the good guy team and Roddy Piper was a leader of the heels, you know, and like, I heard she knick a live old cough or all the bad guys, you know, and it was like Hogan under the giant junkyard dog or fighting off. No, you know, it's spoiling, spoiling their antics every episode. This really shows you what type of personality and charisma he's got when he can be the ultimate heel and 85 WrestleMania. I think he's the heel and WrestleMania to also when he, I think he boxed Mr. T in WrestleMania to. And then meets Carpenter in WrestleMania three and he so charismatic that he's just like, you know what? I know you're the ultimate heel, but I'm going to make you the good guy in my movie. Yeah, he's really good at it too. One thing I've noticed in the wrestling world, you stick around long enough like into your 40s, relate 30s and everything. No matter if you're a heel and they try to make you a heel, you're so loved by the fans. You're just automatically a face, even if you're out there cheating like Rick Flair's like punching guys in the nuts, you know, doing a really hand-to-win, people are still cheering for him, you know, Roddy Piper, the same thing. All these guys, you just earned so much fan gravitas there that you, you're just over no matter what. Yeah, I think I mean with Steve Austin, when you're, you have a passion for it and you're 100% behind it, the fans can tell. And then once you're over, you're basically over for life. And it's just like when you have that that much charisma and that much just oozing with the ability to get a crowd over with it. I think it's amazing. Yeah, and when you're that passionate, it doesn't matter when you have the best gimmick ever like you're you to drink beer and like, you'd up your boss. I asked my great grandma what, what stone cold or Steve 316 was in the Bible. It's it's not in there. Austin 316. Yeah, I was like, what I don't remember when it said, you stop your Bible. I just want your ass. Austin 316 just say, I just want your ass. One of the greatest shoot promos of all time just, whoo. Oh, thank you, Steve Austin. Anyway, Brad, bring him back with the quick facts. All right, we got this directed by, of course, John Carpenter, screenplay by John Carpenter who wrote this under the name Frank Armittish. He doesn't really like to do a lot of work. He does obviously does a lot of work himself between the screenplay writing, the music and all that, uh, composing, producing, you name it, but he didn't want to appear like bragadocious or like Vane. So sometimes he just uses a pseudonym for, for some of the things he does there. Of course, he did the music here along with Alan Horwaugh distributed by Universal Pictures in North America and Carol Co International. This is the same Carol Co that was really hit in its peak at that time too, or just starting to we had basically the Rambo franchise field of dreams, total recall, Terminator 2, basic, instinct, Universal Soldier, Cliff Hanger and Stargate all. Universal Soldier is not an Android movie. Just throwing that back out there just another quick fact. Yeah, sometimes even I get things wrong. Yeah, what didn't we classify that when we watched it as like a zombie movie? It is a zombie movie, but we've definitely more of a zombie movie. We chose it under alien cyborgs and dinosaur or something like. Yeah. Hasn't none of those. So interesting release date here in November 4th. They didn't want to run the movie. head to head with Halloween 4, which was released on October 21st and. Of all franchises, Halloween 4 was the first Halloween that John Carpenter did not direct. No, he didn't direct three, I don't think. Oh, okay, well, he didn't direct to either. He was the producer on two. Okay, well, he wasn't, was he involved in Halloween 4? I probably not. I imagine he was totally disconnected from that because, you know, they killed Michael Myers in the second one. That was the point. And then Halloween 4 was the one where they basically like, oh, he's been in a coma and he's all burnt up. Just like we're Halloween 3 was like all completely off the rails. Oh, I got one or it is not, it does not seem like it fits all but no, it's, it's not how well, what they were trying to do, you know, like, create anthology, anthology, you know, we're like a home movie each one of you different, which I still to this day find incredibly fun. I think that had been great. But yeah, every Halloween was like a different point. There's not differently in there. It's like, you know what, bring back Michael Myers, we need these things to start cranking out money and again, I still to this day. If Halloween 3 would have been called season of the witch and had, you know, didn't have the Halloween name connected to it. It would, I think it would have been so cool. I mean, killing kids that was nuts. I love Kevin kids. You know me. Hell yeah, in movies, when you do it, it takes balls. Take my money. I'm killing kids, but it was like, I don't know. We were watching a horror movie and she's like, I don't, I just don't like kids involved. And I was like, that's mainly all horror movies. No, I think about it. Just kids getting murdered. I don't, I see, I don't, I don't think there is a lot of movies where kids are teenagers. Oh, I mean, those are kids that we're talking. Okay. Below 12. Oh, no, I'm still really messed up from the original it from 1989. Yeah, it was on like ABC. See, yeah, it was on TV all the time. That took courage or cocaine because you know, Stephen King had a lot of both. He's just courage is his cocaine is his courage powder courage. All right. Where you at on this? Speaking of that, I was watching dark tower and man, they really screwed that movie up. I never wanted. I just I don't know you got a book. That's a classic. Why don't you just follow the book? I don't know why you change it. But back to this movie. I read the four graphic novels like the first four of those rule. Yeah. Dr. this movie, we got a running time here of 94 minutes, which I think is about perfect. And this movie felt like it was about, I don't know, 35, 40 minutes long. It just the pacing and the it just really engaging. But 94 minutes is about perfect. Did this thing for a budget of three million? That was it. Well, he said four million in the commentary, but it doesn't matter. Three four million. Meager box office return here of 13.4, but I imagine it did really well on video. And of course, we're still talking about it today. So I mean, the analog Jones bump in and of itself means something there. So yeah, I mean, this has had countless DVD releases, blue A releases 4k release. It's nuts. Got an 87% on the tomato meter and an 80% on the popcorn meter, which I think is kind of low for people that like movies, but okay, whatever, at least four out of five people are. Yeah, but it's some woke bullshit. You expect me to watch your woke bullshit? What's woke doesn't even like America. Oh, yeah, well, I mean, this is, you know, this is so interesting because it's paranoia. This seems to like go. This seems to play well to Democrats and Republicans. Yeah. Because it kind of has this paranoia conspiracy theory thing going for the, you know, like far right. And then it's got the clear, you know, against all anything to do with Reagan. So it's good for the Democrats. And I'm kind of like, man, this is a little bit of a genius movie in a way. You know, yeah, it's still prescient today too. I mean, you could make this movie today and I think it would be successful. Even more. Yeah, you can definitely tie some more current events into it. Yeah. So the commentary that they did this I listened to was done in 2001. And Carpenter mentioned in it. He goes, I don't think Reagan's America is gone yet. And I don't think it will ever will be and it will come back. And I'm just sitting here listening to that and I'm like, yep, well, we got a guy who's in the presidency who basically stole Reagan's slogan. And you know, the big, beautiful bill that was just signed is basically Reaganomics all over again. Trickle down with the rich get richer. So white and from some that trickle down my direction. So we get Roddy Piper here. They call him, he's credited as NADA, but they never actually say his name and he pointing this movie. So that's in one of the genius moves where it's just like you remember him, but you never has a name. So it was NADA, which is Spanish for NADA. Well, they called him John NADA in the commentary. Oh, yeah. Now I don't know if that's in the credits though. He never gives his name at any point with movie. But he's a drifter alone or a rebel. He's everyone's kind of an every man hero, mostly silent, but determined. He's awakening societies, hidden oppressors and it fuels the films for billion. Roddy Piper, of course, we have reviewed hell, well, you did. I wasn't able to make that episode, which was great. By the way, Paul London, great guest. Hell comes a frog town and he took on the NW Wolf back with Rick Flare and Kevin Green. Flamery 97 great. That was over 25 years ago. Like it was yesterday for me. I love it every night. Brad watches it every night playing with his rowdy action figure. He's crazy to have one of that man in a skirt. He's only tough guy in a skirt. People have. Right. All right. Next up Keith David plays Frank. He's one of the NADA's co-workers. He's initially skeptical and but resilient. He's got there. He's got wife and kid in Detroit. And he's working and living in a homeless shelter, homeless and camp meant to save money. So we can send more back to his family. But he eventually becomes an ally. He's very grounded loyal. If you look at this guy's catalog of all the work he's done with just screen voice and stage acting, it's like it goes off the page. This dude's freaking awesome. If you've replayed Call of Duty, of course, you know what I'm talking about. It's called a shanty town. So that scene when he finally puts on the glasses is really cool and makes me really upset. At the same time because he bashes out his back window. No, he's just put the fucking glasses on. Yeah, I think, you know, like after a solid 30 seconds, maybe a minute of fighting and maybe after, you know, one, two punches, he'd be like, fine, I'll just put the glasses on. What does it matter? Yeah. He's determined and resolute. So he's not going to. And also he's like the guy you know, his body, pipe, or like a murder at that point. So he's, yeah, get away from me. I think at a certain point, these guys have way too much testosterone in them. Like, like, yeah, I think it's cool that you're manly and everything, but settle down. Just put on the glasses. Put them on. All right. Next up, we got Meg Foster who plays Holly Thompson. She's the mysterious cable network employee. Her loyalties are ambiguous until the film's final moments. We just recently reviewed her work in Masters of the universe. She also has another massive film and TV catalog. Yeah, man, she's been working for ever. And then like started this whole other career when Rob Zombie was doing movies and you see her pop back up. And I was like, Hey, she looks familiar. You want to talk about what smoking does to your folks? Meg Foster and some of those Rob Zombie films. Don't don't smoke. Or do we're not your parents? Oh, that's true. I don't really give a shit. Don't be cool. Actually, smoking is proven to make you 21% cooler. Yeah, we watch centers. Way cooler every scene as a cigarette. You're watching Jurassic Park. I mean, Samuel Jackson is already cool and just give him a cigarette and let him go to town. I don't know how that cigarette stays in that man's mouth in that movie, but I'm proud of them. Scale, baby. Yeah. All right. Hold on to your butts. Next up here, we got of course the aliens like the skull faced humanoid invaders who control humanity via some and minimal messaging, wealth and positions of power. Such a great look on these, these aliens. Yeah, they're weird. Yeah. And it's like how they come up with that. And just imagine being like, I don't know that the somewhere probably a freshman in high school or whatever I was when I first watched this in your room alone at night and those faces pop up. It was freaky. It's no doubt. Yes. Very memorable. Back to the cast here. So kind of the rest of the cast here will go down. We got Raymond St. Jacque. Jacques is a street preacher. The blind street preacher George Buck, George Buck flower plays the drifter who later becomes the collaborator kind of knows everything. He's got this graph appearance. He was often cast as a drunk or a homeless character, which I think is really good typecasting for him. Don't forget. He was a cop and Tammy in the T-Rex. Oh, it's right. Remember he had a little use a little anti gay. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good movie. He wouldn't be the crowd. He wouldn't be in the crowd at a gay pride parade. I can tell you that. We'll say a bomber jacket on. Oh, no, he would not be at that crowd. But if Carbenter gave him a lot of cameo row rows throughout the year, especially in the 80s, um, next up Jason Gilbert or J Peter, Peter Jason plays Gilbert. He's often a military personnel law enforcement agent authority figure, filament television, kind of plays the resistance kind of leader there. We got Sy Richardson plays the black revolutionary. Susan Blanchard plays in genuine or a smaller role here. We got Norman Alden as the construction foreman. And last one, my list here is Kerry Rossal as a second unit guard. We get an acting role in this, but he was also known as a stunt man or a stunt coordinator. He worked from like 1975 to 2016 needed movies like Apocalypse now, Turkey shoot, break and red dawn, cobra, Rambo three mission impossible three blade. I know the stunt man that did the fall from the apartment. That was also Arnold's double that fall looks like it hurt. Dude, so it's crazy. The first fall, you know, he falls out of the window, the fake window, and then hits, you know, like the balloon tarp or whatever they have. And then to get the second shot of him landing, he's on a 12 foot cage. That's a 12 foot fall that a grown-ass man is doing for his job. Big man. Yeah. That's a big guy. Yeah. I mean, that's, and it's really funny too, because Rowdy Piper ended up knowing him somehow. And he's just like, yeah, they, I knew he was Arnold's stunt double and whatever movie he mentioned. And he's just like, it would be perfect to play for me. And it's just kind of like, you forget how big Rowdy Piper was when he was, you know, because he was like 34 when he did this film. But you know, he was 62, which is about Arnold. I think Arnold's about 62. And at the time, this is him when he got into ridiculous shape. He had four months off after he basically was fired from WWF because he did this movie, which is, I'm sure we'll talk about in the trivia. I just, I think it'd be funny if you put somebody like my size as their stunt double. They just lose six inches. Well, that's, that's what's always funny, like when they have a guy become the stunt double for a woman, like they did Ninja 3 that we did a couple weeks ago, where it's just comical to see the bite the movie we did, the dancing when that it's just dudes on bikes. BMX something BMX bandits. Did we do that? Or was it another one? I think that's what you thought it was, or you thought the movie was different. I can't remember. It's fun movie. I've seen it growing out, but I wonder, you know, if this was all kind of centered, wrestling world kind of brought this whole thing together. So I wonder if Arnold ever hung with like Mr. T and I bet I couldn't imagine the not. By the way, it was rad. We did rad. Rad, you thought it was BMX bandits at first, when you were thinking the storyline was. Well, you get them confused. All those bike movies that we had in the 80s for just like a short period. Yeah, and we're getting old. I know what we did. It was rad BMX bandits. It wasn't there one called like American flyers or some bullsh**t. Oh, the one where yeah, they do the racing. Yeah. Anyway, back into this. Very short, but sweet genre. Mm-hmm. Oh, I think we're ready for the trailer. Are we? Yeah, we are. Yeah, let's share the screen here. Now, I picked the original trailer. I didn't do like the like redo high definition one. So we're going back to the original. I want that. What are these things, one? And why are they here? You still don't get a deal. They have recruited the rich and the powerful. They're running the whole show. Wake up. They're all about you. All around. We've got us to the truth. They are safe as long as they are not discovered. They know what they are or where they came from. We got a stopper. Stay away from me. Put these all. They have us. Look at them everywhere. All right, we have no other choice. I don't like this one. Leave it alone there. And in any of my business, in any of yours. We have been loathed into a trash. This is what I said. We're in trouble for the whole world. Control! I have to send in some kind of scenes of TV sets. I've got one that can see. Mama don't like battlefield. Now we start spilling some blood. Let's dodge. But, I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick. And I'm all out of bubblegum. It's a pretty cool. I think that the trailer is a little a little bit too actiony, but I guess you got to get people in the seats. And they give away a plot twist. Showing the guy in a suit. Yeah, I you know, I guess maybe they were afraid. Like if we don't show any aliens in the entire trailer, people wouldn't understand. Maybe I'm at the hobo that turns bad. The guy invested you guys about not being able to remember. Yeah, yeah, buck flowers when he's in the talks. Do they not show an alien in the entire thing? They do in the very end. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, we had tornadoes during that when I was sitting down to watch it. I was like, huh, I remember yesterday that well. Damn tornadoes. But yeah, that's uh, it's kind of like an action packy trailer there. And this movie is more like a slow western hell. We don't even have much action until about 24 minutes into this. He takes Carpenter takes his time. Yeah, sitting this up. And the action scenes are just they're like explosive, but short. Then it goes on to not action for a while. It's like even looking at the trailer. It's impressive what they did with three to four million dollars when it comes to all this. Because you know, they shot with such, you know, like a wide lens. So it made everything look much bigger. Then what their budget was. I always like that. And and they use their their budget wisely on about, I'd say three action pieces that just are set perfectly in this film. Yeah, it's really impressive. I like the scene when they're tearing down the hobo encampment a lot. That's really cool. Yeah, that was a huge. I was doing what they were known to been to do back in the 80s. I just like all the red layers and everything. It's just really cool, I think. Thank God we're no longer. Yeah, LA is really kind. Yeah, there's citizens. They don't shoot them up to your desk. The National Guard is not being pulled in illegally or anything. I mean, honestly, the whole town is just a giant piece sign. It's just everything's fine. Everybody hugs. And no traffic. No traffic. Perfect. Utopia. Anyhoo, Brad. It was your pick. So you get the fun part of going to these movie plot points. Okay, yeah, we know we're going to go through it pretty quick here. We can talk about some of the the scene, some of the the key points and everything here too, but just to break it down if you haven't seen it already, we get not a that's Brody Piper who's an unemployed drifter who arrives in Los Angeles. He's looking for work. He gets a construction job. He stays at a homeless encampment that that Frank told him about. Shanty Town. Shanty Town. They have TVs there and they have like hot water and food and everything. So pretty nice Shanty Town and the scalable Shanty Towns. I don't know where people go to the bathroom, but they didn't get into it. And we don't need to know. So. Or is the bathroom? No, it's just giant holes dug on two different points, I guess. I don't know. That's a good change point. Tensions rising due to the police crackdowns here. And there's a nearby church that not a notice is that he goes out and checks out one day. And he hears some singing goes in there and find some glasses and some evidence of some non-church-like activities going on in there. Yeah, he puts the glasses on and then he goes walks around town and we really get to the understanding the real purpose of this movie, the real theme of this movie, he starts to put the glasses on the bed, consume, marry and reproduce, you know, things of that nature. Looks at the people who are rich and powerful, one in nice watches and the fur coats and everything. And they're revealed to be grotesque skull-faced aliens that aliens have infiltrated human society, controlling politics, media and the economy to maintain human subjugation. After the resistance is raided and most members are killed by the police department under the direction of the aliens, the nautical goes on the run and listing his friend Frank. He goes through a number of rounds with a shotgun after he takes it from a cop and enters a bank. Does he rob the bank? I don't remember if he robs the bank at all, but he does that. - No, I think he ever-- - He just kills all of them. - Yeah, he killed the two cops and then somehow he just kind of like accidentally walks into a bank and just goes, oh, I'm here to kick ass to Bubblegum and I'm all out of bubblegum and starts to-- - I don't think he actually killed a human. I don't think he killed a human in this movie. - I don't think not until the end. He kills Meg. - Oh, well she's-- - It's a character. - Yeah, well, she deserved it. So-- - Well, she's just trying to get to the top. I think that's basically, doesn't she say, like, get out of my way? I think she's just-- - Oh, she's trying to convince her that there's nothing he can do. - Okay. - They're already gonna win, so like, why fight 'em? - Well, I also think she made a deal. So she clearly, when she got to the human meeting, then they, I think they followed her, found it, shot it all up. She mysteriously makes it and then at the end, she shoots them. So I'm sure she's got a deal, just like Bucky did. - Yeah, I think she knew to start. - Yeah. - Yeah, so we shoot lots of bunch of people up. He basically abducts her, heads back to her place. He gets to jump on him. That's where we see that awesome stunt where Arnold's body double falls at 12 foot onto a hard ground and rolls. He gets back. Frank tries to help him out a little bit with some money. He wants Frank to put on the glasses, and of course, and we get the legendary brutal six-minute alie fight. - Yeah, but I think it goes on. - No, I love it. - He was on, eventually, they infiltrate the aliens underground layer with the help of how they get in there. - Oh, they got one watch. - They got one watch. - They got a watch at the meeting. They're like, yeah, we're trying to listen to their communications with these, or we use them. - Oh, that's right, yeah. - And it starts to-- - Fuck up and malfunction when they're in the alie shootout. They're trying to listen. - Yeah, opens up their little portal, so they get some down in there, and they get the whole-- - Reason the aliens are here, you know, doing their thing, talking about their profits, their shares going up, finally, end up fighting their way to the top of the TV station where the signals being broadcast, spoiler alert. - It's not that easy. Stephen makes this look so easy, reading and talking. - Well, then Holly turns, ends up turning on the guys, takes out Frank, and then, not a takes out, Holly, but he's able to disable the signal before the police shoot him dead, so-- - You get the things. - Things are exposed, the fights on, but unfortunately, it's gonna have to go on without nada. - I think one of the best alien exposures, though, is the chick on top of the dude. - Yeah. - Like the only boobs in an 80s sci-fi movie. And she looks down and it's just an alien, and he's like, "Why'd you stop?" - Yeah, they-- So the one that I had that was taped off a TV, she had a bikini on. So I didn't know that this movie had boobs into it, in it until well into college, when I actually rented it from Hollywood video, and I'm like, "Hoop, boobs!" - I forgot that it does. That's like not a movie in my head that is. And I was like, "Yeah, it's just a Rattie-Rattie-Popper "Killing aliens." - I don't think Carpenter puts a lot of boobs in his movies, 'cause I remember Halloween, but you gotta do that in Halloween. I feel like-- - And just, yeah, it is just crazy, that that is in 80s and 90s, like, be rated horror and sci-fi. That is a given. - I think that I have immunity in it. - And then you have directors that just choose not to. And you don't notice, 'cause the stories are just so good. - Puttin boobs in this kind of movie, this period, I think that's in the Geneva Conventions, you were required to do that. - Yeah. - Yeah. If I was making a horror movie, I'd be like, "Okay, well, I'm gonna either get an actress willing "to do it, or I'm gonna get a porn star and give her a job." (laughing) - I'm creating jobs, dammit. - Trickling down, baby. - That's right. - You're in Hollywood. - There's probably several running around there. So. - But I actually want them to be bad at acting. So I think I should go with the porn star. - But trying. - Yes. - You don't want them to be-- - That's the key. - Giving it, yeah, we stay this all the time. Bad movies are great, but bad movies that don't have any soul. - Not great. - Yeah. - They have to be trying to be making a good movie. - You have to be trying your heart is to be a great actor, and you're just terrible. - We went to one of those top golf places today. Had a blast, we're awful at it. But we were trying. That's what matters. - It's the passion behind it. - Go for more fun if you're not good. If you're good and you expect to hit the ball good, and you don't hit the ball good, then you get unhappy. - Yeah, when you do 60 yards over and over and then hit 121, you're like, "Yeah, yes, baby. I'm going pro." (laughing) - There's some great stuff in this movie. I especially like the obey signs consume and everything billboards. Those are all matte paintings. Those are amazing. - Yeah, the scenery in this is great. - Yeah, just the way they make this world look so much bigger. Now, obviously, this is like the most LA movie. It feels like even though it doesn't show any typical LA stuff in it, it's just you know it's LA. - Yeah. Somewhere over there at the San Francisco LA. - Well, it actually had shooting in the Hollywood Hills, which I found pretty fun. That's where her apartment is. So Meg Foster's character is already a decent enough job to have a house there. She's even got gate neighbors, which I'm sure in the 80s, that people were like, hmm, I don't know about that. - Yep, Reagan on the back, he was right. 'Cause now people don't want that. - Oh, that's true, yeah. I'm sure at one point, they're gonna try to take away gay marriage, which is gonna be real interesting. 'Cause of course they will. It's of course. - Let's talk about some happier scenes in this film. - Well, this is a film. - It's a very political movie. - Yeah, that's why I like, it's gonna come up a lot. It's just work and buy and reproduce for the workforce. It's gonna come up a lot. - Yeah, it's gonna come up a lot. - Yeah, we talked about the sunglasses when he puts those on for the first time and it really just establishes the core, the core allegory of this whole movie and we're all manipulated by hidden elites. So just as we talk about consumer culture, weaponize is control everybody. It's like, listen, you want to quit your job too, freaking bad, you gotta keep working. - You gotta buy. - You gotta work to the guy so you can buy, consume, watch TV, stay asleep. - Destroy the unions. Which I thought was funny that he joined a union job because that was really big in the 80s too and he was definitely trying to make that point that not it gets a job through a union. Definitely during the 80s when they were trying to deconstruct unions. I thought that was fun that he specifically put that in there. But he, see, like also, not it has a weathering on. They never go into it. I find that interesting. - I think he left it on because Piper just, he said, I don't want to take it off. - Oh, so that was a Piper thing? - He was a Piper decision. - Oh, okay. I thought maybe that's really interesting. But still, you could still look at it through, maybe Nata was married at one point. Maybe she died or something. - Or they divorced and that's why he's homeless. - Nata would never divorce. Okay, he's loyal. Chris, loyal. - Sorry, sorry. - Got divorced. One of those alien lawyers came and took everything from him. - Ooh, that's actually a good spin there, I like that. That's a good idea, Brad. Good thinking with a divorce. - He looks at a polar right out of his old wife and it's an alien. - Oh. - He's like, you're not social climbing fast enough. I'm through with you. - Well, that's actually not bad, guys. Good job thinking about the divorce, Brad. Good job. I'm glad you brought that up. - Yeah, because divorce is part from the evils of society's divorces and other one of the things we like to bring up on this show. - I don't think Brad's getting the Joe Chris. I think you're over it. - I'm over it, said. - Yeah, it's okay, me too, Brad. - I'll send us the text later explaining. - Okay. - Chris, you brought up divorce and I said that was stupid. He's super loyal. He'd never do this. Oh, right. - I explained it and then I'm like, good job. Good thinking Brad. - I got to the floor. - Yeah, I like it. - Hopefully the listeners got that joke. - Jesus. - Well they do now. - I had to explain it. That means it's good. - I was like, man, I said that, but, you know, whatever. - 'Cause you see it's funny, see? We're gonna talk about that. I have come to here to chew bubble gum scene, which is probably the most iconic well-known scene of this entire movie. - It's been quoted in Duke video games, Duke, Duke, Nukem. - I've seen what political jackasses will put that on there. I especially hate it when I saw a Republican did it. - Oh, I'm sure, yeah. Don't ever love that. - It's like the House Republicans working out to rage against the machine from the "Bewend Crossfit." (laughing) - When did rage become woke? There's like, since they existed, man. - It's like you ever heard the lead singer talk about anything? - Yeah, somebody bitched about system of a down becoming political. And I'm like, they're about the Armenian more. They always have been the genocide over there. - I don't know much about the YMCA song, but, you know, I thought it was like a gay anthem for a long time. - It is not fucking gay. The writer that owns that now, he said that has never been gay. - Okay. - Well. - I think it's the place. - I had no idea what owns it now. He bought all the rights for it. And he's like, that has never been in a gay anthem. We were not a gay band. - When I was younger, it was an excuse to like, feel girls' app at dances. - That's fair, that's fair, yeah. - Wow. You got it at that. - We've been just objects. Hey, man, this movie took me on a ride and I'm 100% with Buck. - Did you go to the Greece high school? (laughing) - Yeah, there were a bunch of 30-year-olds running around there. I wasn't in the Greece high school. - Tell me more, tell me more. And then you're like, "Ugh!" - That's a fuck. - That in Meatloaf got a lot of traction. I mean, you know, got a lot of, got your places there. Girl, when I grew up, where I grew up, people love Meatloaf there. - Oh, I do anything for love, but I won't do that. - I love you, I love you. - He won't do Peking. - Okay, all right, well, that's his choice. - Eat your own, yeah. (laughing) - I just had to eat their own. If I don't know, it's great, but whatever dude, whatever me, oh. - We gotta talk about this ridiculous fight that I love more and more every time I watch it. I love how it was supposed to be just like a minute or two and then they put so much time and effort in the choreographing it that they're like, just keep going. - Dude, they stop every so often and like hug each other and relax and then they're like, yeah, we're done fighting and then somebody just punches somebody in the kidney. - Okay, we're back fighting. - If you ever watch fight videos, like real fight videos, you know, not like UFC stuff, you know, where they have it like by rounds, you can't have a fight long. It's tiring, you just get tired out. - Yeah, fights are like two minutes and people are just dying. Somebody's lost. - Yeah, are they just quit? - Aren't they both like, wow, I'm very tired and very sore now. - Yeah, that's. - You know, one guy ends up grabbing the other guy and choking him out or something like that, you know. - That's why we made tools. They made fighting faster and you know, he got to an ending quicker. If I hit you with this ax, you die. I don't have to work hard. - I might without tools, Brad would take both of us in under a minute. - Well, I mean, I would run. So, I don't know, but could 100 guys, 100 men take on a gorilla? - Depends on the 100 men, I'm really saying that. - Yeah, I wouldn't want to be the first one in line. - No, you're definitely. - Well, why would you be in line? That is, I've always thought that's insane in movies where they take turns. There's 12 of you, just around them. Just start punching everywhere. - But then you'd have to all be planned. That's why I'm saying, like if it was all planned out with a 100 like military trained, they all were on the same page. I think they could take the gorilla. - 12 guys getting their faces ripped off though. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. They'd have to be 100% dedicated to dying. - The gorilla's got a good chance. - 100 average Joe's dead gone. (laughing) - Yeah. - But I also don't know how long the gorilla could go 'cause that shit would be tiring too. And the gorilla would be like, I don't know why I'm killing everyone. I'm just tired. - Eventually just lays down and starts eating. (laughing) The gorilla becomes friends with the last 50. So why'd we start this? - I don't know, but I guess one of the things I wanted to talk about for the Ali fight though, and so what it takes for Frank to really finally open his eyes is this exhausting violence struggle. - It's like, not to do it. - Fine, give him to me. - Fine. - He's just stubborn. Same as not. Other just stubborn guys. We get that way sometimes. - I love it when he smashes his window, and you get that like, oh I'm sorry. And then he smashes the glass over his car, but that doesn't break right. So he's like, fuck. (laughing) - Just as I was in the ground, it's just the neck. - What happened to the glasses? - I have no idea. - Yeah, the box is still there and it's got a pair in there. What happened to the other 38 pairs or whatever that were in there? - I guess they're gonna say it's at the bottom of the dumpster. That's a good one. - But then it got dumped in the thing, the whole thing got dumped out. - Oh yeah, it got dumped, yeah. - He panics as it's dumping, trying to climb deeper into the thing, and I was like, mm-hmm, you won't out of that. You won out of that as fast as trash. - It's trash compactor, yeah. You don't wanna be in the middle of that. - That thing doesn't care. - I also wonder if the garbage collector, he just, he's bad at his job, 'cause he doesn't even notice that he lifts it all up and it's all in the ground. - It just drives off and rips off street signs. - Or he's hung over and he's like, fuck it, I'm not, you know, whatever, they'll complain. - Wasn't me, it was like that when I got here. (laughing) - I didn't have time to pick all that shit up. - That's on my job. - I gotta, I gotta get to other stops. (laughing) - I do love 80s dumpsters of, they're just cardboard. - They're just like, - Oh yeah, I mean, clean cardboard and some really light trash bags every time. - Yeah, that was very, very pedestrian trash there. That was not very nasty trash. - Yeah, so I'm assuming they're saying that's outside of offices, so it was all like paper material, but you know, I've worked in an office and guess what? We have normal trash too, tons of it. - Yeah, so. - Depends on the kind of office, I mean, you really, you have like, you use condoms in there, you'd have all kinds of, - Yeah, there's definitely not apartments, there's no litter everywhere. - I'll tell you what, it always creeps you out in the office. It's half eaten yogurt cups. - That's wrong, people. - It's so bad. - Finish your yogurt. - I opened that, I threw one of those away in here, and I came back in like two days later, and I was like, oh, mistake, mistake. (laughing) - Mistakes were made. - Yeah, you know what's awesome? - It takes like a glass of milk and like, - Really? - takes pictures and like leaves it for like three days and brings it down. (laughing) - Or you have no idea where it is. Like, why does this room stink? And it's like on the floor next to something, 'cause she's short. - Then she's complaining about it, and like, you need to stop doing this. You're a victim of your own bad decisions. - Oh, they gotta learn some way. - And speaking of learning, we learned about the secret aliens plan and the secret alien meeting. We reveal the scope of their infiltration and collaboration with the human elites. And I wanted to know, like, how do I become one of these elites? - Yeah, see, there you go. - That's gonna be my question. - So, we can then, they get under there and they, wealthy human collaborators are celebrating their profits and their maintenance of order, resistance member explains that the buckflowers explains how the aliens are using the earth as a third world resource planet, exploiting it and its people. - Yeah, and they could not be happier. - He was just a random homeless guy though, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, and he was just somebody in the camp. - So he must have captured and then like, provided some information and then it's like, you wanna be rich and wealthy. - Yeah, like. - Nice society. - When they went to the meeting, I'm pretty sure she was already part of the organization. She's like, yeah. - Yeah, I put on your glasses and I'm convinced now, but you know what, there's nothing at the TV station. I already checked. - Yeah. I think she was before even too, but I think she was calling the cops after she tossed him out the window. I think she was calling the, some aliens. Maybe that's kind of what I like about Carbner and the stories. He has a lot of these unknowns that you can kind of just fill in the blanks with what you feel the character would have done. - Yeah. - And I took it as she wasn't part of it until she made that phone call. They came over, she had the glasses, she knew everything, she worked out a deal, I'll take you to their meeting. Then again, I don't know how she would find the meeting. I, she was to me way too calm. She met him and he kidnapped her and everything. So I don't know. - That's one thing she does really well too. Kind of plays that TV-us. - They were like her so creepy. She just looks weird and everything. - So there is a reason behind that. That was in the shell factory. So they changed her makeup and when she was on, camera, she looked green. And they had to light her differently because of her skin tone, especially in the apartment. That's when I noticed it a lot. And yeah, he said that was a major F up. It's like her eye areas, like super white ish and her eyes are always like big and weird to begin with all the time. Like how she pulls them. They had to do some weird lighting tricks. And I was just thinking, couldn't you just send her back to the trailer, take her makeup off and reapply? But I don't know how their shooting schedule was, but they said that was yeah, it seems easier than changing lighting. Yeah, but they weren't, yeah, they had to do some tricks. Now now that might have been some tricks and posts. I didn't quite get that where somebody was like, why she look green? Yeah. So let's change the color effects and post. And then it just kind of looks like, that's not great. Yeah, she has like very memorable eyes. I didn't remember that she was in Masters in the universe until you said that. And I was like, oh, I know exactly. Yeah, those those those those really unique irises, kind of like an Australian shepherd in a way like that really. Yeah, thank you the dog. She's a beautiful woman. But she's no, she's just got some of the most unique eyes ever to be put on film because they're just so white blue, so light. It's crazy. You just don't see eyes like that ever. Yeah, there's there's that basketball player that has like super, super blue eyes like that too. And it's every time you I've seen them on TV like Steph Curry or something. Every time I've seen them on TV, I'm like, Jesus. Yeah, and if you actually, but I mean, because Brad mentioned that she's been in a lot, but like it's kind of crazy to think of all the films that she was, you know, in the 80s, Masters universe and then you got they live. She's in stepfather to I'm trying to think offhand, also trying to delay so I can get to her. You know, she was on the IM TV. Yeah, the Twilight Zone TV series dude, I'm she's in quantum leap. Leviathan, the hitchhiker TV series. She was in an episode of yeah, she's been oh, flying theory baby. I forgot. She was in a lot. And she just kept working and kept working and it's pretty incredible that you can work this long. Lord is saying or Lord is a Salem in 31. I haven't seen 31. I want to but Lord is saying, I'm sure the good first creepers three. Overlord. That was a good one. Yeah, she's even a voice in the new Masters of the universe as the mother board. That's cool. Oh, yeah. So yeah, impressive career. She's great as evil in it. It was really classy for her to hand that over to Lena. He did too. Lena, he needs really good as evil in too. I'll have to watch the rest of that series. I just I only watched the first episode. Yeah, I was just thinking I'm going to watch that. You guys think it was funny how terrible they shot the guns in this? Yeah. It's the 80s baby. You never reload. Just spray around. It's holding a hip drink authorities or can't shoot anything. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I miss. I miss movies just being bad. But just being a film that you're sitting down or watching. Yeah, like there's got to be a nice middle ground between how you know, how they shoot guns here and then like the heavily trained, you know, that they'd have for John Wick where it's just kind of like I love the John Wick. I love a couple of the John Wick movies, but like there's got to be a nice in between where you kind of look trained, but you also kind of look ridiculous 80s at the same time. And you look like you've shot a gun like seven times, but no more. Yes. Like 10 at the max. You've shot guns 10 times. That's it. It's gonna take a couple of times to hit you, but I'll get you. But you're gonna look really cool shooting it. Yeah, that's what I love about that. You know, the end of this, when we get to it, are you guys big fans of the end? No. Really? Okay. How about you, Brad? I like the twist there. He passes away. You know, they get and he dies. But then he blew the lid off the whole conspiracy, you know, and it's like, no, the fight's really on. I mean, I do like the very, very end. I just think that just blowing up the satellite thing and dying is kind of there. For these aliens as smart as they are, they're really bad at engineering redundancies into their system. Yeah, it's one satellite. I do find that funny. Now I was wondering if they did a sequel to this, if it like only went off in like a small section of California LA, like the satellite cover sections and they do have crossover. And then they plan it. But it's yeah, and it only goes off. It goes off for like five minutes. So like we have millions of people who saw this for like five minutes. But then the next movie, you're convincing all these people that know you didn't really see that you're getting everybody. There's a movie like that recently. And I can't really. Yeah, something happened and everybody's like, we seen it. You've seen it. Oh, that would be interesting. Maybe someone can get carpeted or do that. That's actually how I thought the sequel would be was like a small section. And that's perfect. They would be gaslighting them. You know, like cable at the time would just be saying like, no, there was nothing that you know what they'd call you crazy. You're the fucking crazy one for saying you saw an alien. You fast forward like 30 years, you know, make it like about 2020 or something like that. And somebody's grandpa's telling them that someone's like, all these aliens and your grandpa did grandpa just wear your mask. It was a mass hallucination. Grandpa is wearing his mask like this. Tell him it's a crazy grandpa. And you don't wear your mask right during COVID. I still see that to this day when I see people walking down the grocery aisle and they've got their mask on and they don't have their nose covered. And I'm like, if you're going to wear a mask, do it right. Yeah. Love of God. I didn't get all those shots to wear a mask still. My favorite is when I see someone who there's not many around my area, but you know, in certain parts, you can see like, you know, avoided the jab or something like that. I'm going to lie here, buddy. It's like, all right. Well, I don't give a shit anymore. Do it you want. I'm glad that's over. I hated mass, by the way. I warm, but I fucking hate it. Yeah, glasses like crazy. I know when I was wearing blue lenses, when I was working on the computer. And I remember going somewhere to work and head the way that mask. And I'm like, this is what everyone's complaining about. The sucks. Chrissy shit. Glad I don't have to wear these stupid glasses. Throw them down. I don't know. We have been really, I think that once we started the two weeks recordings, I've noticed we're always way more off topic, but this movie rules. I don't know about you guys. I wanted to talk about some of the quotes here. Just made a list of the best quotes here. We can break them down. Of course, we have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass. You got that quote. One of my other favorite quotes here. You see, I take these glasses off. She looks like a regular person. Doesn't she put them back on from out of high face? I love the quote in this movie. You know, it is an alien from the alien standpoint. You're like, this guy insulting me, you're just he see me as an alien, because that could be kind of taken both ways. Just randomly calling someone from out of the face doesn't necessarily mean I see you as an alien. Yeah, a lot of them are like old people. A lot of the aliens were old people. That might have been on purpose. I wonder. If it be an ancient money there, you would have lost Angel. There's a lot of like we go down like the Goon of Beach and towns around there. There's a lot of old money. There's a lot of 50-year-old dudes driving around really nice cars not doing anything. Yeah, I mean, that's actually that would be interesting to ask him that. Because the only like young, well, actually even the one guy who was sitting there saying, I think you should go for it when the alien was encouraging the other guy to go for the promotion. He's like, that's easy for you to say. You've already got it. He's just, you know, patronizing. He knows he's not going to get it. I think nowadays it'd be funny because people would be like, if you made fun of the look of the alien, people would be like, hey, they're beautiful the way they are. I could see that. They're not human being and they're fucking ugly. And then you'd have the other end where you'd have an alien who didn't want all the money, who would be trying to help the humans. That'd be kind of. Yeah, I thought that would have been Kohler if one of the rebels was an alien. An alien? Yeah. John Carpenter, if you're listening, okay, that's two good ideas there. And then we do it like RoboCop 3 where they're in the underground most of the movie. No, that movie is the best RoboCop. It is not, but I love it. I do like when the alien said like, I don't know if you put it in there, but he's like, you're as ugly to us. Yeah, I remember what I'm saying that. Yeah, I don't care. Not for everybody. Another quote here, they're all around you. All around you. That was early on that just kind of captures the foreshadowing of the theme. The invisible power structures that they go into in this film. The quote that I think was great was the. The alien, the Bucky Flowers here, the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules and isn't that always been true? That's kind of the way things have been. For as long as people have been able to write. has like money's power. That's how it works. You need money to get big armies or whatever you need to take power. Money's an IOU, yeah. People have been printing, people have been devaluing currency, people have been taxing to fund wars to do that sort of thing for a long time. IOUs is good as money. 150,000. I want to hold on to that one. Right there. Resistance member, yeah, we could be pets, we could be food, but we are all real, all we are really is livestock. That was a good quote there. You know, we got to put on the glasses quote and it's like, you need the first son of a bitch to wake up out of their dream. Maybe the best quote of this movie, Life's a bitch and she's back in heat. I use that one to my friends. Like we were talking about whatever bad happens like a life's a bitch. She's in heat. I don't think they have any idea. They're like, wow, you really made that up. That was amazing. Things have been quiet for a while. It's like life to bitch and she's back and he was like, man, Steven really hates women. Only the ones with hair. Oh, it's like, you're you, you're okay. This one, real fucking ugly. Yeah, that one. I love that scene. And the, the, the, in the shopping center, the grocery store thing, convenience store, whenever it's called. Yeah, the way he sees this one. Okay. Yeah. We're going kind of long on the breakdown of this film here. So you guys want me to skip this next part or we can just go through it really quick here if we want to. But some of the themes of this movie that I wanted to write down here, we got consumerism and media control. You know, we see that with all the subliminal messages and stuff and everybody just accepting all this inequality without any question. Class inequality, of course, thinly veiled commentary and reading in era economics where, you know, if you were doing good, things are great for you. But if you were not part of that wave, things kind of worse for you. The beginning of the great division of wealth. That's the, the 80s are is what's begun it. And it's just keep getting larger and larger. On times, yeah, conformity versus rebellion. Another theme here I wanted to talk about here too, that awakening to oppression is violent, but sometimes it's difficult and necessary. So that's one of the themes films here. We got the films themes, I should say, alien invasion is a metaphor. Carpenter likes his metaphors a lot. He does rather than traditional rather than a traditional vagion. This is more of aliens are the exploitative upper class that have already been here invisible to those two distracted by media and consumer culture. One of the other things here themes that not as one man more basically talks about how people can have individual agency. Usually that's a great cost though. And just lastly, just yuppies and unrestrained capitalism. Yeah. I mean, the yuppies is pretty obvious. A lot of these are. But another thing that I always know is this movie is just basically a western because you got an unnamed hero that's quiet walks into the town finds the bad guy kills the bad guy kind of western style music too. Yeah, well, you know, like bluesy. But yeah, there's there's a lot of different themes inside this. And you know, there's no way of getting around it. This was Carpenter saying he hated Republicans and he hated all of Reaganomics in a movie. And I like how you said it was thinly veiled commentary. It is thin because it's really fucking obvious. It's like plastic wrap there. It's like you wearing a plastic bag, you know, like a show like the clear shower curtain and trying to hide from someone like, yeah, your head. Yeah. That's hard to bring under there. Your peepee. Why are you naked clothes that were weighing me down? Okay, you can pick and choose just like three of these production notes because you got weight. Okay, so that original, the role, Roddy Piper's role was originally written for a Kurt Russell, but Carpenter felt that he'd been casting Kurt Russell in too much lately. He'd already used him four times prior to that. The thing, little big trouble, little China escape from New York. So they were looking at some other guys and I'll read you off some of this list here, who they were talking about before they decided to go with Roddy Piper. So thank God they went to rank God. John Carpenter met Roddy Piper at WrestleMania three or this is what we could have got here. We could have got Alec Baldwin, we could have got Michael Dean. It would have been cool. Brian Bosworth. I don't think he could carry it. Jeff Bridges, Bruce Campbell would have been cool. Tom Cruise, I don't think could have handled it. Harrison Ford, no, I'm really glad they didn't go with Mel Gibson. Tommy Lee Jones could have been cast. Michael Keaton was thought about just for Amber. I can see him. I can keep him pulling this off. Yeah. I didn't just remember it just like they had to play a lot less. A lot less. Stephen Lang would have been cool. Dolf Lundgren of course. He was in VFW. He's the Colonel in the. No, I met Dolf Lundgren. He definitely met Dolf Lundgren. Yeah. Stephen Lang, I could see that working, but again, different film. Yeah. Michael Madsen, Bill Paxton, Ron Pearlman Arnold. That's three would have been good. Bill Ron or Arnold. So Vestress alone, Patrick Swayze, Joan Claude Van Dam and Bruce Willis. Yeah, definitely not at them. It like a lot of them would have just changed the tone. Yeah, like you definitely couldn't have someone like Alec Baldwin or Jeff Bridges was, you know, pretty good looking guy at the time. Tom Creish, you can't have a good looking guy like Mel Gibson, you know, even though he did pull off Mad Max. So maybe he could have pulled off Rugby. Yeah, I think Mel Gibson might have been good. But I do like how John Carpenter described the reason he picked Rady Piper's because he had life on his face. You could tell that he had, you know, been rode. He had had a tough life. Yeah, Ron Pearlman, I think, would have looked the part by it. Yeah. Well, this is where casting a wrestler it works perfectly because, you know, to have that charisma, to sell, to wrestling, you know, apart from everything, the athleticism, the injuries and everything, the politics and everything, you got to put people in seats. So you got to have charisma to get people in seats to have a successful career. So you're learning that skill. You're perfecting that skill over decades, you know, at this point for Rady Piper. And you don't going to be a good actor. You just got to be, you have a good personality. Yeah. I would, I would have really liked to see Michael Keaton in this, you know, like because he's got that really sharp wit that had been interesting. But, you know, I never want to take Rady Piper out of this role. He is John Nata. I just think also, it's, it showed that he knew how to act. He just needed a good director to help him through it. And it's really sad that he just really never got over a bad time period too. Cause I'm sure you would have taken him a decent amount of time to start making some real money in acting because probably people wouldn't have believed in him. I mean, he did this movie and he still didn't get a lot. You can look at the competition at the time too though. You Arnold's the lone John Claude Van Dam, Chuck Norris. That's a formidable group of guys you're going up against there. Plus, then you have the 90s come around where people just didn't want the gigantic superhero type guys to be in the action films. They went for more of the cylinder types. You know, that's how you had like Johnny, I'm a mnemonic and then, you know, the matrix, you know, just a lot thinner. Such a good movie. I love that movie. You know, you went thinner with the Mel Gibson, or not the Mel Gibson. Sorry. Well, yeah, I guess you could got mostly Bruce Willis and they didn't want the giant muscles and kind of like, you know, I don't even know what Rody Piper. Rody Piper's got a really interesting look too. So I don't know if it would have ever really worked out, but I would like to see him get more roles. He did get fired though from WWF for taking this. Did you have that in the production now? Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. And he said it was mostly just about power with Vince McMahon. He wanted to find the movie form. He said, give me four weeks. I'll find a movie in the same paycheck and Rody Piper said no. And he said, well, then you're done in wrestling. And I can't believe he fired him over this shit. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah. Well, he ended up coming back more popular and got paid more money. Yeah, guys get fired, guys get fired and rehired a lot in wrestling. Yeah, they could have just rode the wave of popularity of the movie to make him a bigger star. And the end that happened. I'm surprised he never got better roles off this because it was such a cool classic. It did so well on VHS. But you know, I don't know when it did well on VHS because I would visit at least two, three rental stores. And I don't remember this film. Maybe it was there. I just, I don't know. You were six when it came out. So I mean, but even into the 90s, like I was huge wrestling fan and I never saw this until, you know, probably freshman high school when someone handed it to me, recorded off TV. Now if they would have told me that it had boobs in it at the very end, I would have been searching harder. Varian! The Kevin Glutch. But yeah, all right, you got one more? One more for us. Um, Carpet are brought in real homeless folks for the production and several of the scenes there for the smaller characters and gave them food as well as paychecks and classy thing to do. That is cool. Yeah. I mean, he did Hell Comes to Frogtown the same year. Yeah, I think he recorded, you know, I bet they did, they lived. It was in production. They did Hell Comes to Frogtown and then they both released it at the same time. Yeah, I think he did Hell Comes to Frogtown first and then they, no, no, because then he probably would have got, you know, I don't know. That's interesting. I don't know if you do wonder what happened here because if he went from they live a John Carpenter film to whoever the fuck I forgot his name was doing Hell Comes to Frogtown, that is quite a fall when it comes to like, now I, we all enjoyed Hell Comes to Frogtown except quality wise, it's not the same. No, it's not even close. It's a very good movie. Very funny. This movie's elite tier though. That's great. Yeah, especially when you consider $4 million dollar budget, what they pulled off here, pretty incredible. Well, the story matters. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's definitely going to be something that people still watch years to come. Story, story and characters matter more than anything and you can do that. You got to have that. And I also do that they took a decent amount of time to craft this film, to go through the script, to work with people, to rehearse the fight. They took time so they spent that money really wisely. But you know, at this point, Carpenter had made so many films, he had made Elvis, he had done the thing, he did so many films that I guess he just was, I don't know if he had done body bags by now. He did a big trouble little China. Yeah, he had done a decent amount of films, of course Halloween. So I probably did the fog, yeah, the fog was before this definitely. Yeah, so that one freaked me out when I was a kid. Yeah, because was this part of his like doom trilogy or whatever, because you had they live, mouth of madness, Prince of Darkness. When it is like all the world's ending in all of them, right? Something like that. That sounds right. The mouth of madness, I started to watch one day and then I turned it off for this. I was like, I haven't seen this movie. I might wait in case we do it. Yeah, Matt, the previous co-host loved mouth of madness. Always wanted to talk about it, but we were waiting for a theme and you were probably the same way. You're like, I'm going to wait until you hit this Carpenter theme. Yeah, do because it that intro, I'm just like, all right. Yeah, this movie is rad. All right, before we go on to recommendations and the museum, which man, this is going to be tough to find something for the museum. I figured I found a film, you know, we can take a little break here, but I watched the 1984 trailer and I just thought this fit perfect here. So let's watch this trailer, take a little break. We'll be back. Six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, five, five, four, five, four, five, four, five, four, five, four, five, four, five, four, five. The world we are preparing when soon is a constant victory, constant try. You're beginning to accept it. We'll soon welcome it in the final day. We're coming out of it. Hey, hot! Can I take this quantity? We all rise and we'll be in this place. Can dream on. I know there's always somebody to describe. In 1949, George Orwell had a vision of the future. Today, that vision is still a best-selling novel and his prophecy remains as terrifying as ever. If you want a vision of the future, we'll still imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever. A future where freedom becomes slavery. A future where privacy is forbidden, the past forgotten. And we're living people simply vanish. Yet one man and one woman dare to love. Can get something off and mean off. Yes. Take this. Everyone knows. The thing that is in a wrong one or one is the worst thing in the world. You can't get inside. You can't get to your heart. John Hurt, Susanna Hamilton, Cyril Q. Sack, and Richard Burton in the crowning role of his career. What are your true feelings towards Big Brother? Head. You must love him. It's not enough to obey. You must love him. The film of the book of the year. George Orwell's 1984. I forgot how much I love that movie until we watch this trailer. I'm looking up the VHS right now. If you watch that after we get on here, have you ever seen 1984? I don't know. You have it, huh? I've seen it. It's like movies in a though. Is there. That's that Brazil Fahrenheit 451. Equilibrium. They're all very similar. Yeah, it's an intense. I just thought like the carbon is more the lighthearted, you know, like Big Brothers controlling you. And then 1984 is just like the holy shit. And Brazil are like the heavier ones Brazil is just goofy and weird. Yeah, it's just goofy and weird. Not not not mentality sense just a filmmaking sense. 1984 is just pure. Like sad. Yeah, a lot of weird looking British people. Yeah, yeah. It's I mean, yeah, with Brazil, you know, you got Terry Gilliam doing it. So it's just strange. I just think John Carpenter and Terry Gilliam getting a hold of like, you know, that type of movie or someone, you know, you like you have to have your eyes open to see the reality. Yeah, 1984 though, they're not, you know, have you ever written, have you ever read 1984? I read for 51. I don't think it was a movie until later. Yeah, I've read that. And it's very good. Yeah. The opening of that book is somebody surrounds themselves with books, covers themselves in lighter fluid. And burns themselves alive with their books. Yikes. The very night for 51 is the temperature of the paper burns. Interesting. I mean, that's 1984. That is a book that like I read at the end of high score at the very beginning of college where it's just like the ending rocks you the book is just amazing. It's one of the rare things that I like admit that I read and I was just like, that's one I could not put down it. And I was just like, I'm not really sure if I can read it, I'm just like, I'm just like, what's the mentality of how I just look at things? It's just one of those books like when you read it, you're like, holy shit. And it's still relevant to this day. Yeah, I don't remember the ending either. So I would like to. I'm not saying anything. Just. Yeah. Watch the movie. If you want to. But the movie's really good. I can't read. All right. So do we recommend. Yes, you start Brad. They live. Let me think here. I'm going to give it a yes. I'm going to give it a big green up arrow. It's big as you can give it. I'm not saying that. Right. Big hard erect up arrow. No, no, no, this conversation got sexual, but. You know, it's just sounds like we like this movie. There's a lot of flaws in it. So I don't really know. It's a lot of woke propaganda bullshit. It looks like it was filmed on a shoestring budget. They couldn't even get makeup right on the actresses. Yeah, okay. I recommend it. They're roles. I recommend this film. I recommend buying a t-shirt. I recommend. whatever it takes. You can zoom to all the shit. You can zoom the fuck out of this movie. Yeah. This is one of those movies that was made like 41 years ago or no not that long ago, but you know, almost 40 years ago when it still holds up today, still great today comes on. You're just like, oh, yeah, they live great. I'm so happy to see this. I watched it twice. Well, I watched it once, and then I listened to the commentary, and I don't really watch much of the movie when I was in the commentary. I'm doing stuff. I used to put commentaries on in the background. Yep. Yeah. Certain magic cards are something. Uh-huh. Yeah, it's always when I'm doing something when I'm working or whatever. You don't have to, because if you watch it and then listen to commentary, you don't have to turn around and look at the TV. Commentary is where the first podcast is. Yes, me. That's very profound of you. Sometimes I'm not that dumb. Are you saying current podcasts have killed commentary? Well, this one has. Man, that's true. We do our best. What about commentary about the podcast? Oh, that the next generation. Yeah. We just like, can we just like start a new podcast? Or we just rip on other people's podcasts? What if we start doing commentaries on like YouTube channels? That's the YouTube channels playing that is that too nerdy? Is that too far? And just doing it on the car one that everybody likes. Who's the car people? The British people? Yeah. Are they still going? Yeah. I don't know. Keep up. I heard there's some falling out. I don't really know. It is. I will tell you that's one of the only car shows I ever liked watching. Because they were fucking funny. Yeah, they were funny and they did crazy shit. I was like, I don't care what car you're driving, but you're drifting in a cave right now. The race that they had on the Mo Peds is one of my favorite episodes of all time. I fucking Mo Peds broke down. They put them in that three wheeled tiny car that has one seat. Great show. Anyway, let's move on to the museum. This was the second time I've had to reclaim my property from you. That belongs in a museum. So do you. This is the part of the show where we go in the film jungle like Indy and bring something back to our John Carpenter, Routy Piper, Wing of the Museum. This is going to be tough. Brad, I've got a few. So I don't mind going last. You guys want to go? Brad, you picked it. What are you going to go? Oh, okay. It's a quote. All right. As we've got some the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. You love putting quotes in here, man. That's your you can be our quote guy. Yeah, he loves quote. That's fine. No, I think it's because we would go off and we would go do these training things and we didn't know each other, but everyone had watched Top Gun, which is loaded with quotes. And so the entire like getting to know everybody, having some beers, you know, we'd just be quoting Top Gun back and forth. We're trying to get you credibility. We quoted anchor man. Yeah. quoted everything. I think that's big goal. You know, like a lot of the guys that I would hang out with, you know, bonding and stuff. That's like the ultimate form of bonding is like when you share quotes from movies that you like. I remember my girlfriend at college at the time just thinking we were so stupid. You guys will just sit there and quote dumb and dumb. That's how we bond. You're playing beer pong. Yeah, I'm a brilliant beer pong with this guy. And it's like, I don't like you because you're dangerous. Top Gun is runs for life. Oh, fucking ridiculous. Yeah, that's to one of my best friends to this day is when we were forced to go on a double date. I didn't like him. He didn't like me. We're forced to go on a double date to Olive Garden. This is, you know, how, you know, in our 20, 20 thing, my baby. Yeah. And I, I don't remember which one of us started the quotes of dumb and dumb but one came out and you're like, you like that movie? I love that movie. Holy shit. We just become best friends. We quote step brothers that work often. Like there's so much room for activity. How's it going neighbors? I fucking love it when he's dressed up as a I don't know. I love movies. Did you fucking kill my boat? Pay attention to our music video, dad. They worked really hard on it. Well, I heard ourselves at work and be like, why don't you let us do that? It's such a bad idea. I'm gonna put my ball sack. You better not. Anywho, Chris, you're on the next one. I'm gonna do the CBS Walgreens convenience store scene. I'm talking a few times. I like it. Yeah. I mean, I love the fight but specifically the one part where he breaks his window. Yeah, sorry. And then he just started and then smashes the glass and you know, like he laughs at him. I was gonna say, I love that part. I couldn't have been on purpose. Then just happened and he laughed. I do wonder. I do wonder if it was just like he fucked up the stunt, you know, with like the sugar glass that they use and stuff with those bottles and they just laughed at it and they kept it in because he immediately runs in tackles them. I do want, I have no idea. They didn't talk about it in the commentary. I've never heard anything with that but that fight is just ridiculous. So ridiculous. All right, that'll end it this week. Next time I think we're coming back for episode 300. Is it 39 or is it 29? I thought it was 29. Oh, so we have no idea what we're doing for 29. Do we? All right. Well, we'll have to figure that out. Stay tuned because we definitely know what we're doing for 300. Yeah, we're watching 1984. Oh, that is a heavy fucking movie. I don't want to talk about that movie. No, I don't I don't think they would lead to a very happy episode. Anyhow, yeah, we'll be back. We have no idea what we're doing next, but come back in two weeks to listen to us. So remember to be kind and rewind. Man, I'm glad you got any computer. You're listening to the Geekscape Network.