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The WWE snake draft

In this episode of the Meet in the Middle podcast, hosts Levi and JJ launch their first live video podcast, focusing on wrestling. They begin by debating whether wrestling is a sport, agreeing it is "sports entertainment" with highly athletic performers but predetermined outcomes. They emphasize that modern wrestling prioritizes mic skills and personality over in-ring ability, citing examples like Drew McIntyre and Roman Reigns. The main segment is a Top 10 snake draft of the most impactful and important wrestlers of all time, excluding tag teams. Levi picks Stone Cold Steve Austin as his first overall pick, while JJ chooses Andre the Giant. JJ then selects The Rock as his second pick, and Levi counters with Hulk Hogan. They discuss the cultural and historical impact of these wrestlers, noting how they changed the industry and became household names. The hosts also touch on the financial success of wrestlers like The Rock and the shocking heel turn of Hulk Hogan into Hollywood Hogan. The episode sets up a competitive draft where each host aims to build the best list, inviting listener feedback to determine the winner.

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Intro If you smell what the meat in the Middle podcast is cooking, we are going to do a top 10 snake draft most impactful and important wrestlers of all time as. Speaker 2 He picks Ryan Gosling. Speaker 1 It's fucking OK everything. Ryan Gosling. What a fucking beautiful man. Speaker 2 Fucking answer. Yeah, I had AI had a jab. Speaker 1 You fucking douche. For all the fans at home watching this, fuck JJ. I hate JJ. That's what he gets. Oh. Speaker 2 Shit, it's the it's the buzz of the fucking. Speaker 1 Tell JJ to fuck it. Speaker 2 But you know what? Speaker 1 Everybody bash JJ in the. Speaker 2 Comments. Speaker 1 Hi guys, welcome to the Meet in the Middle podcast with your host Levi and Co host JJ. We are going to get ready to rumble this episode. All right, if you smell what the Meet in the Middle podcast is cooking, it's definitely going to be a wrestling. Speaker 2 Episode. Well, I didn't expect them. That was good though. I liked it. I liked it. Speaker 1 Yeah, no. So JJ and I are super pumped for this. This is our first live video that we're doing. Got tons of great feedback on our audio stuff. Everybody's having a great time listening to us, and this has been like the thing we get asked about the most. When are you starting your video podcast? Well, video podcast officially started. Speaker 2 This is the one and I'm really excited. I'm not sure I'm boner excited. Like Levi Levi's definitely straight hard on fucking excited. But I mean, he's still in the WWE and I love it and I still, we talked about this on the way here. Like I still want to know what's going on. I'm just not going to watch it every Monday and stuff. But like as far as growing up, and I talked to you about this too, Boys benefit from this. Oh yeah, from growing up watching wrestling and fucking suplexing your fucking cousins and. Speaker 1 Fucking. I'll tell you what, I'll be in the backyard with my cousin on the trampoline. I'll be hitting RKO Spears super kicks anyway. You know, I remember actually. Speaker 2 To elbow drop. Speaker 1 I remember growing up and I actually used to do a little backyard wrestling, like every weekend. I remember being on the trampoline, right? And no ropes at all. But we pretend there are ropes. I jump as high as I can, try to do the five star frogs. Speaker 2 Actually, absolutely. You ever try to figure out how to do the figure for the fucking shit like that? Like I tried to figure I, I could never figure it out. Other people figured out and did it on me. And that shit does fucking real fucking. Speaker 1 Hurt. Yeah, I know the that's real. The Figure 4 definitely nothing to fuck around with, but that's why Rick Clair won so many matches and it's probably. Speaker 2 Absolutely. And yeah, he's boner fucking excited. I'm really excited. But yeah, this is going to be fun. I want to start this off, and I already told him I was doing this. Levi never watched American History X Levi never watched American History X. I'll put it out there right fucking now so you guys know I will. My favorite fucking movie. Speaker 1 I will say I've. Speaker 2 Seen it. Never seen the motherfucker ever. Speaker 1 I will say the reaction from JJ 100% worth it rather I saw that movie or not I don't give a fuck. Speaker 2 Me until we were off air. He's like, yeah, I've never seen that movie. I'm like, oh shit. I mean, I'm still a motherfucker. Really never seen it. Speaker 1 Hey hey, this is also important though I don't watch American History X Guilty, right? Right. But JJ did walk out of the Doors last podcast and say that The Notebook wasn't the worst movie he's ever seen, so don't shit on me too much. Speaker 2 Never claim that. I said it wasn't near a top 10 and that's I'm standing fucking true to them, not fucking separating from that. So before we get into this, I want to ask you this because this is a question about wrestling. Is Wrestling a sport? OK? Where are you as far as wrestling being a sport because we all know it's predetermined. My take is they are fucking athletes. You cannot take that part away from them and what they do and how they had to get to where they are. Speaker 1 All right, so I'll answer this question the best way I know how to answer this question. So 100% first thing I'm going to say, all WB wrestling is full of athletes. If you aren't an athlete, you cannot. Speaker 2 Do that you can't, no. Speaker 1 However, it is definitely predetermined, pre planned. We know this and that's fine because it's still entertaining. But I will say, and this is where the stance part comes in, new modern wrestling is what I like to call sports entertaining. I think back in the 80s, nineties, even ruthless aggression like early 2000s was more actual wrestling because they weren't so much worried about talking on the mic or selling the most merchandise. They were out there to fight and put right on a show with somebody else in the. Speaker 2 Ring and and I get that and I totally agree with you. For me, and this is, you know, this might piss some wrestlers off or piss wrestling fans. Speaker 1 Off you might have to say. You might just piss me off. Speaker 2 No, but I don't think this is a bad thing for me. I personally like the soap opera act like the I like the interviews, the shit talking, the you know the matches. I honestly don't give a shit about the actual matches which you know your purest they all he sucks in ring and you know whatever my skills to me mean more you know what's. Speaker 1 Fucking crazy. You know I'm going to I'm going to cut you off because this is insane. You said at the very beginning you don't watch wrestling as much anymore. You would fucking love modern wrestling then, because it is a majority talking. If you cannot talk, you will not get TV time all. Speaker 2 Right. Well, no. And that's the way it should be, because you are, you know, the wrestling part is only a part of it. Speaker 1 Yeah, no. Speaker 2 The personality, you know, how you portray yourself, that I think that's just as much not if you're talking to the wrestlers because I have watched where people just, you know, it puts you in danger if guys don't know what they're doing. The biggest example of that was who's the guy that they always yelled Goldberg when he came on WWE, big meathead motherfucker. They got pushed really fast. I know you know Ryback. Speaker 1 Right back as I say, OK. Speaker 2 Right back, yeah. But you if you listen. Speaker 1 I did ask that he was just talking about Goldberg. I was like, that's Goldberg, right? Speaker 2 Goldberg. Yeah, they yelled Goldberg because he had the big traps and had the bald head and stuff. Yeah, I thought that WD was trying to make like a makeshift Goldberg, right? Speaker 1 Basically, no. That's what Gilberg was for. Speaker 2 Well, that was funny. That was funny. I'm not going to lie that that was creative with WWE. You know they were down on those raiding wars, right? Ever. But Vince McMahon, whether you like him, don't like him, whatever, yes, he's a fucking genius. Speaker 1 So it's a get on, you know, with what we just mentioned as far as the talking sports entertaining aspect of it, the best modern example. And you probably don't even know much about this guy. Drew McIntyre, Big 65 and 200, yeah, 200, like 80 lbs. But like, full fucking on Meathead. They legitimately put him in a jobber role when he first came back to WB after going to the Indies because he couldn't talk on the mic. And they pretty much said if you don't learn to talk on the mic, we don't care what you look like or how good you wrestle, we're not going to push it. Speaker 2 They have best heavily into that. Speaker 1 And now he is one of the best talkers on the mic in modern WB. So that just goes to show. Doesn't matter how much you wrestle, so how good you are. If you cannot talk, you will not be on the show anymore in modern wrestling. Speaker 2 Wait, wait. To me, more famous level Roman Reigns, Yeah, I mean, to him to like act in school or some shit like that to get no, they just get him to wear because they wanted to market him so bad and the fans just weren't fucking buying it at all. And it was, I'm sure it was frustrating. If you're an exec, a writer from the WWE and you're trying to push this dude and the fans are like, no, not today, bro. It's not happening. Speaker 1 Well, in all fairness, he did go to acting school and stuff to be better at that, but they still gave him a freaking mic piece and Paul Heyman, so you know. Speaker 2 No, Paul Heyman can filter. Speaker 1 That that does wonders. Speaker 2 For a wrestling Brock Lesnar for. Speaker 1 Years. That does wonders for a wrestler. Speaker 2 You know, that's kind of our, our beginning. And So what we're doing, you'll probably be better. Speaker 1 Explaining this, yeah. So let me. Speaker 2 How we're doing this episode. Speaker 1 Yeah, so let me take this away. For this episode, we are going to do a Top 10 snake draft, all right, for most impactful and important wrestlers of all time, like guys who change the game as it We're not. Speaker 2 Into the industry how how they they made it. Speaker 1 We aren't going to talk about the best wrestlers. I mean, you're going to see some great wrestlers on our list, don't get me wrong. But we're not talking about the best wrestler. We're not talking about the best talker. We are talking about guys who change the game. And when you talk about WB, their name comes up at some point. Yeah. And that's how this is going to go. And we're actually going to flip a coin in the beginning to see who starts off the snake draft. We. Speaker 2 Just got to be here in a second and. Speaker 1 Then at the end, once we get all of our list put together, I'll keep a tally on my phone and stuff. We will post the episode and we want your feedback on which one you think's better. I. Speaker 2 Think I think Levi's going to have the edge on this because he's still current. Speaker 1 And I will say so, Jake. Speaker 2 You're listening as a current, right? Younger, you know, person that watches. Speaker 1 Rest so this is important though to know off of JJ Yes, I am a modern wrestler like fan still right? I am going to heavily favor 80s, nineties, early 2000s guys. Like that's what I'm going. Speaker 2 To do shit, he. Speaker 1 Knows like this this is my fucking jam like I love I love me some wrestling I love me some sports entertainment and. Speaker 2 Belts weigh 1000 lbs of piece from Walmart. This is their bucket. These are legit belts. Speaker 1 This is my John Cena spinner. Speaker 2 He told me how much he paid for him and I was like get the fuck. Speaker 1 Out of here, let's just say. Out of here, let's just say that these cost almost as much as a down payment on a car, but that's not here nor there. Speaker 2 You're not getting this at Walmart, if I can tell you. Speaker 1 No doubt. And these things JJI told him, he's got to pick this up because he's got to, you know, feel the weight of this. These motherfuckers are probably 10 lbs. Like no joke. Speaker 2 They're heavy, they're hefty. Yeah, they're legit. Speaker 1 But yeah, so no, that's how it's going to go. It's going to be a snake draft. We're going to do a coin toss to see who gets it started off and. Speaker 2 We'll go ask for all this too. Neither one of us want to win the coin call. Speaker 1 I really want to lose because I would rather have back-to-back. Speaker 2 Because we would rather have the back-to-back. Yep, normally you want to win that number one pick whatever. Speaker 1 Also, disclaimer on this before we get any hate from anybody who listens, tag teams are not involved on this. No tag teams. These are single superstars. We're not talking teams. Teams are not an option. It will not be on here because there are some great teams. And no, not mentioning teams in the top 10 is going to piss people off if we don't specify that we're not doing that. Speaker 2 Well, and there could be a future tag team episode just. Speaker 1 On that mayhaps. We'll see how it goes though because I'll fucking smoke JJ and that shit too. Speaker 2 This motherfucker. The Coin Flip Let's go flip the coin. Speaker 1 Oh, I OK, I'm flipping it. All right. Yeah. Speaker 2 You're flipping the coin. Speaker 1 Just confirm JJ that hey, just confirm that. Speaker 2 It's too complicated, I'm too old. Speaker 1 I need a confirmation that this is not a twin sided coin. It does have a heads and tails. Speaker 2 Looks good to me. Speaker 1 All right, all right, Jji, don't want to win anyway, I'm I'm going to let you make the call. Speaker 2 Heads or tails calling tails. Speaker 1 Tails. All right, Heads. Speaker 2 So who wins? Speaker 1 All right, so you called Tails and you. Speaker 2 Want so you're number one pick? Yeah, you. I'm number one pick, even though neither one of us want that. Yeah. Speaker 1 No, I am the number one pick officially. Speaker 2 I won. Speaker 1 So unfortunately, winning this automatically takes my strategy off the fucking board. So this is fucking great. Fabulous. All right. Speaker 2 Pretty happy right now. I'm not going to. Speaker 1 Number one has to be like fucking icon of icon. Like change the game, everybody knows household name. Speaker 2 Pick my fucking Dick. Well, maybe not, I don't know. Speaker 1 And I'm just going to go for it. Most iconic theme of all time, Most iconic finisher of all time, Ruthless Aggression. Fucking King. I'm going with Stone Cold Steve Austin #1. Speaker 2 I I'm not mad. I mean, you can't be fucking and. Speaker 1 I am going to write this on my phone. Speaker 2 Shit a little bit too. But you know what? I think I know where I'm going. I think I got. Speaker 1 This I hope you fucking fumble. Speaker 2 Because if no, because if I had #1 pick, I was always, no, I was always picking him anyway. If I had number one overall pick, I was picking him. Because this is, this is just the fucking guy. Andre the Giant, He would have been my number one pick. If I had a one OK, I would have picked Andre no matter what. Speaker 1 I'm happy because I don't give a shit about Andre. No shit. No, Andre, let's you're going to get. Speaker 2 Some hate on. Speaker 1 That no, no, no, no as. Speaker 2 Much as you like wrestling or. Speaker 1 No, no, no, you would. Speaker 2 Have been my number one pick if I had a one. Speaker 1 Let's be real, Andrea Giant is a fabulous pick. He did change the sports entertainment game himself. That was a physical specimen no way's ever seen before. And he went toe to toe with the mega star fucking Hulk Hogan. Speaker 2 Well, let's think about this too. Speaker 1 And he can drink like 80 beers in a day. Speaker 2 Royal Rumble. Speaker 1 80 beers in a day. Speaker 2 What do they call the Royal Rumble? Or they have, they have an actual, they have Andre the Giant. Like, Yep. Speaker 1 They do have an Andre the Giant memorial battle royal. It's not the Royal Rumble but when. Also, they do it every year at WrestleMania. Speaker 2 You're the old school wrestlers. They don't hear them talk about him, for one. Nobody was fucking with him. Nobody was fucking. Speaker 1 I mean, I'm Giant. I'm looking at Andrea Giant. I'm looking at Andrea Giant, and I'm walking away immediately. I'm out. Speaker 2 I mean, what are you going to do? What the fuck I don't get, Because you can be a big dude, You could be a huge dude, but there's levels to this fucking game. There's as far as being big and being, you know. Speaker 1 No, there's definitely. Speaker 2 Levels to this. Not even fucking that wasn't even on your radar. No, it was. Speaker 1 Number one pick, it was on my radar, but I was looking more like 450. Speaker 2 No, I was I, I would have picked him #1. Speaker 1 4-5 over Steve Austin. Speaker 2 Steve Austin was in my short list, don't get me wrong. Speaker 1 So also let's let's specify too that JJ said this and I do not disagree with him. There's about 5 correct number one picks and it has to be one of those 5, right? And we talked. Speaker 2 Andres in that and I, I definitely didn't stunt goals in that. Speaker 1 And we talked about that and Andre would have just been outside of my quote, UN quote top five. Speaker 2 Really. All right, Well, everybody's going to come and that's fine. This is really a no right, No wrong. Speaker 1 I would say there's no disrespect to Andre, it's just not what I would have gone with personally. Speaker 2 Unless he picks Ryan Gosling, it's fucking OK everything. Speaker 1 Ryan Gosling. Speaker 2 Unless he picks. Speaker 1 What a fucking beautiful man. Speaker 2 Fucking answer. Yeah, I had AI had a jab. Speaker 1 You fucking douche. Speaker 2 Jab it in there. Speaker 1 Somewhere for all the fans at home watching this, fuck JJ. I hate JJ, that's what he gets. Speaker 2 Oh shit, it's the, it's the buzz of the fucking podcast. Speaker 1 Tell JJ to fuck off. Speaker 2 But you know what the? Speaker 1 Everybody bash JJ in the. Speaker 2 Comments it's always bad though, because a lot of people are coming to fucking Levi's fucking aid like they're saying no, that was that was proper. They're absolutely fucking wrong, but they're they're coming. He's got supporters. So all right, so now snake drafting. Snake Drafting You nailed it. The rock, the rocks. My number two pick. Speaker 1 See, The Rock was probably my two or three if I had to pick, but I would pick Steve Austin 1st 100%. Speaker 2 Right. And you're not, especially with the criteria. Speaker 1 So now you're kind of changing my plan again because I kind of like counteract what you're throwing down right now. Speaker 2 Andre and the Rock I'm I'm very happy with my that's a. Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a great, that's a great top. Speaker 2 Two, I cannot. I'm very happy with my top 2 picks. Speaker 1 All right, I'm writing that down. Speaker 2 And as far as celebrity status? Speaker 1 The rock is. The rock is. Speaker 2 I mean, he might be the, he might be the criteria, but it's still going to creep in the back of your head a little bit like when you look at these lists, because he's Dwayne Johnson now. Speaker 1 The Rock might honestly be the most wealthy wrestler of all time with everything he's. Speaker 2 Done. Oh, I almost guarantee it. Unless he might. Speaker 1 Be one of the most wealthy people in Hollywood period. Though let's just be real. Speaker 2 Highest paid actors and outside of Vince McMahon, who was more of a promoter than a wrestler, right? I mean, we'll look that up. But I mean, I think I think that's factually correct. I think that's, I think The Rock. Speaker 1 Is so. Speaker 2 If you if you're just talking net worth, I think the rock. Hulk Hogan Is no The Rock? The Rock kind of embodies what WWE is meant to be, which is sports entertainment. He is great on the mic. Speaker 2 Had to go kinda on your timeline with, you know, cuz I'm trying to combat I got. Speaker 1 Strategy. Well, that's the thing. I got to combat with JJ now. So with that, my first combat is Hulk Hogan. Speaker 2 Absolutely. Speaker 1 I got to go Hogan next. Speaker 2 That's the pick. Speaker 1 If he takes Andre, I've got to take Hulk. Speaker 2 That's the pick. No, I, I couldn't agree with you more. And I you know. Speaker 1 Oh, JJ. Speaker 2 There's wreckage sometimes. Speaker 1 JJJJ I didn't do that. Cut him off. Cut him off. Speaker 2 It's a big cup. Speaker 1 Cut him off Shut. Speaker 2 Out Chicago Bears. Speaker 1 All right, so Hulk Hogan. I mean, that guy was John Cena. Speaker 2 You can't say enough. Speaker 1 That guy was John Cena before John Cena. Speaker 2 Would not be where it's at without Hulk Hogan. Speaker 1 And also, I'm just going to put this out there, one of the most shocking heel turns of all time was Hogan. Speaker 2 Oh, absolutely, because he came out. Speaker 1 When he became Hollywood Hogan. Speaker 2 The signal Speedo of yellow and you thought he was coming to save the day. Speaker 1 Hollywood Hogan. Speaker 2 Hollywood Hogan. Speaker 1 And just the way he fucking like dyed his fucking punk ass beard I. Speaker 2 Totally agree with you on the heel turn. Speaker 1 The heel turn just. Speaker 2 Iconic heel turn. I mean, that's an historic moment in wrestling history. Speaker 1 Like people are what? Speaker 2 Happened in WCW. Speaker 1 Yeah, people are going to know about that heel turn until the day wrestling dies. Yeah, Like it's that big of a deal. No. Speaker 2 Absolutely, absolutely that. No, A very, very. Speaker 1 So I'm not a huge Hawk fan, but that's the correct pick. That's the correct pick. Speaker 2 It's the pig. Speaker 1 At this point, that's the pick I had. Speaker 2 Especially what you said with the Andre the Giant, because now you're kind of because that's the same thing I did with the Rock. Well, if you're picking stone, well, I can't. Speaker 1 Pick on The Rock. Here's the thing, though. I can't let you have The Rock and Hogan. That's the problem. Speaker 2 Absolutely. Yeah. No like. Speaker 1 That's the issue. So arguing with you. All right, Snake draft means I get the next pick. The Dead Man's Undertaker Yes, you do. Speaker 1 And I'm actually very fucking happy about my next pick because this is the one I was telling JJ about. Speaker 2 Which was you wanted and we're tempted to take #1. Speaker 1 Borderline #1 pick but I knew he wasn't the correct number one pick but I really really want him and I hope I pissed JJ off by taking this guy my next pick and this would be pick 3 for me. The dead man. The dead man Undertaker. Speaker 2 One of the undertaker, I'm not going to lie. Speaker 1 The Undertaker is in a league of his own when it comes to sports entertaining, NWB specifically. He is one of the few few dark coded characters as far as like presentation that actually survived and thrived. And the streak at WrestleMania is one of the most iconic things and most impactful things, and that would be history. Speaker 2 And I know you've seen the reaction videos when he lost at wrestling. Don't. Speaker 1 Even don't even bring that up because I fucking hate that he lost the bra. Speaker 2 I'm just saying like from the crowd, because that streak was supposed to be impenetrable, like you know the way supposed to be able to even do that to the dead man. No, it's a great pick. And here's an absolute fucking great pick. Here's the thing that what couldn't have been the wrong pick at #1 remember him his younger days when he used to walk the top Fucking. Speaker 1 Oh yeah. Speaker 2 Dude, dude, I've always thought that was the coolest. I don't know the creepiest. Speaker 1 Thing that I always remembered, not even the creepiest thing, Argent Mayor, but anytime his freaking bell hit the thing, you get fucking chills up and down your spine. Oh dude. Speaker 2 I was about to say that. Speaker 1 But the minute there's only. Speaker 2 Three and they've already been picked so I can say them because we said the top 2 coming in here, we didn't name drop who we were going to pick, but we we. Speaker 1 Come in here. Speaker 2 Music because he had a he had a just to get us pumped up for the whole episode. He had like kind of themes, rest of themes going out. The number one is stone cold that the one that the one that. Speaker 1 And I hope he says #2 is undertaker to prove my list is better than his. Speaker 2 Right now, no, we said #2 I think is when you spent. As soon as you hear that, I think that's number. Speaker 1 Two, it's if you're some. Speaker 2 Man, well, you did better. Speaker 1 But you fucked up, JJ. You fucked up big time. Speaker 2 3rd would be that bell, but I mean you could. Besides stone, I think the Stone Cold one's the best you could. You could flip flop. Speaker 1 Also the other thing too like about Undertaker that always creeped me out as a kid watching him was when he would fucking roll his eyes to the back of his head. Speaker 2 Oh, super creepy. Speaker 1 Holy shit, like super creepy. You should not be able to do that. That's scary. Speaker 2 He had two personas because he had the Oh yeah, fucking Undertaker, which is it's hard when you're that guy for so long. Oh yeah, dead guy. And now you're running out in the fucking Harley. No. Speaker 1 Undertaker and the Harley was not ever what I expected with Taker, but it was fucking. Speaker 2 So cool because it's the Undertaker. Speaker 1 So fucking cool and. Speaker 2 You know when you talked he was the alpha male. Speaker 1 Yeah, that's like in. Speaker 2 The in the locker room. Speaker 1 And that's like. Speaker 2 Everybody respected the undertaker above everybody. Speaker 1 And The thing is too, like with your Taker, that's huge. It's if Undertaker didn't like you, you knew someone was fucking wrong about your attitude in the locker room. Speaker 2 Yeah, like for sure. Speaker 1 Undertaker was. Speaker 2 Like I said, he was the alpha. Speaker 1 Male. He was professional as professional God. Speaker 2 And everybody says he is the nicest guy. And when you listen to his interviews, he really seems to be that guy. No, if you'd have picked him number one, I wouldn't have had any problem with that whatsoever. Speaker 1 I just feel like you. I feel like #1 it has to be Steve Austin on The Rock. That's just me, though. He. Speaker 2 Shouldn't have. That's the lowest he could have dropped. Yeah, I, I. Speaker 1 Well, that's and that's just my third pick that you know. Yeah, so. Speaker 2 Yeah. So I mean. Speaker 1 He went where he was supposed to go. Speaker 2 Andre and I took the rock. Yep. But I mean, these are all the guys that I think we were thinking that. Speaker 1 And This is why it was such a big deal about in the car of not wanting to lose the coin toss because I knew without even saying it, we had the same probably 6 guys in mind. I mean, there's no way we get all six though. Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, and you know, I knew, I know what a what a wrestling fan you are. Speaker 1 Oh yeah. Speaker 2 Because we talked about you almost bought the great Muda. Speaker 1 The Great Muda as an action figure I. Speaker 2 Was like talking about before he even said it. You're talking about Muda, aren't you? Yeah. And he fucking called it. I knew it. I knew. Speaker 1 It in freaking half a second mate. You're talking about the muda, yo? Speaker 2 They they got. That's one thing I was not expecting. Speaker 1 Shout out great Muda. Fucking iconic with the mist in the face. Beast. Absolutely. All right, you're up, JJ. JJ’s Picks What? You guys are next to you, right? You got 2 picks back-to-back. Speaker 2 All right, first one's easy. Rick flair. That was easy. Speaker 1 Say that's that's a close one. Speaker 2 She made close. Speaker 1 No, no, no, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That was a close one to like my top radar. Speaker 2 Picks, OK, OK. I just wonder where you're at. Like, no, like Rick player in the top ten, like, yeah, you could say that at a football game. You could say that walking down the street and get somebody to do it back to. Speaker 1 You did you know he has an energy drink called Woo? Speaker 2 As he should. Speaker 1 That's how iconic that shit. Speaker 2 Is a fucking legend. Fucking I don't remember. I watched. I've watched a lot of these documentaries and stuff on wrestlers and the amount of alcohol he consumes, one guy said. I've never seen him drink a drop of water like he goes to bark. Speaker 1 You want to know? Speaker 2 You stop, you know, you get a little fucking tuned in, whatever, and you're like, can I just get a water? Speaker 1 You want to know a fucking really cool thing? What's that? So I was, I'm telling you about my friend in the car earlier on the way over here. Well, her dad actually has met Ric Flair. Speaker 2 Oh no shit. Speaker 1 Because because Ric Flair. No. So Ric Flair, he lives in Florida most of the year, right? Right. He goes to the same bar every single day. I don't remember the name of the bar. I'm throwing a blank. He. Speaker 2 Probably doesn't buy a drink ever. Speaker 1 And Ric Flair has his own designated seat that nobody can sit in at that bar. That's how much he goes there. Speaker 2 He's he's earned that iconic status. Speaker 1 And he's there earned, and he's there almost every single day for like 4 hours is what I've heard. The Best WWE RAW Picks I get it. Now I get another. Now I get another pick. Speaker 1 And don't fuck this up. Speaker 2 Now I don't think I am. Speaker 1 I do like your picks, but I hope you don't say what I want to say. Speaker 2 Heartbreak Kid. Shawn Michael. Shawn Michaels. Speaker 1 My God damn it, that was the one I was hoping you were going to fucking miss. Speaker 2 I knew you walked, I can just see it on your face before I even said it. Speaker 1 Son of A. Speaker 2 My list has turned out to be pretty fucking solid. Speaker 1 All right, all right, let's we got to do a little shot really quick. I miss your belt, DJ. This is how much I wanted HBK. His side plates are on the side of this title belt. Speaker 2 You could have had him, but I. Speaker 1 Couldn't take him early, I couldn't take him early. I couldn't do it. Speaker 2 I think I picked him in a perfect spot. Speaker 1 You. Speaker 2 Fucking nailed that one mistake draft. I thought Ric Flair deserved that respect to just his back-to-back. Nailed it. Look at my list so far. Speaker 1 Pretty much better still, but. Speaker 2 No, you're Foster fucking mind. I've got Andre the Giant, The Rock, Ric Flair, and HBK. Get the fuck out of here. My list is fucking savage. Speaker 1 Your list is pretty fucking good. Speaker 2 Get the fuck out of here because your list is savage. Speaker 1 This is what I'm going to say too. And I hate giving JJ props because that just feels wrong for this JJ props. Speaker 2 Good friends, if you couldn't tell, but. Speaker 1 JJ probably has, like I have a lot of the iconic theme songs, right? Steve Austin? Undertaker, right? Hogan's even an iconic theme. This motherfucker over here has got the iconic finishers though. The fucking superkick is the greatest finisher of all time and modern WV has fucking ruined the superkick. Speaker 2 They start retreading these. Speaker 1 The greatest submission lock of all time is to fucking figure for leg lock. Like we'll just be real. Speaker 2 That was a sharpshooter. Speaker 1 And then the fucking rock bottom. That's not when they fucking ruin in WB. Everybody does that now and it's not even. Speaker 2 What's the greatest? And nobody's ever done this one because all of them, you got to do this people's elbow. It's the most hilarious. Speaker 1 Time out though, there's a guy who does that nowadays. Speaker 2 Oh fuck that. Fuck that, he calls. That one's too unique. He called DDT. You could do all these wrestling. Speaker 1 So no this. Speaker 2 One was way too unique. Get the fuck. Speaker 1 History lesson. This guy calls it the Mega Star Elbow is what it is. Speaker 2 Because they're just trying to retread some. Speaker 1 Shit, he does the back and forth like the rock. Speaker 2 Is he as charismatic as? Speaker 1 Oh yes, he stands in the middle of the ring and his name is LA Knight, right? LA Knight? I don't. Speaker 2 Know them I'm not as. Speaker 1 LA Knight looks at the crowd before he hits the Elbow like a rock would do and goes LA Knight and everybody sings it with him the whole entire time. Speaker 2 It's cool the crowd being involved you wanted. Speaker 1 HBK though, I fucking wanted him and I, I was like freaking licking my chops like, oh, he's still there. Oh, he's still there. Speaker 2 But he's not there anymore. Something happened. Like I don't know what happened. He was there. This fucking. Speaker 1 Douchebag guy took my pic, I don't. Speaker 2 Understand you were what's happening? Hey, you were right there. Speaker 1 Yeah, what's happening? Speaker 2 I don't understand. Oh no, somebody picked up that's. Speaker 1 OK, you know what, let's actually let me let me ask. Let me ask you a question because now I just need to know and I'm probably going to get more pissed off. Had I had not taken Undertaker and take HPK instead of that pic, would you have taken Undertaker by? Speaker 2 Absolutely, absolutely 1000. Speaker 1 OK, so either way I got you know. Speaker 2 You got one of your guys. Speaker 1 I got one of the ones I was one but. Speaker 2 They say, and this is not my criterion, that's not what we're doing. And I've heard this so much recently. He's the best in ring guy, HPK. So many people say that. Speaker 1 The best in ring wrestler of all time in my opinion. And I've watched a lot of wrestling, old school and new school, all that stuff. There's only really two guys that might even come close and they're both newer guys really. But Seth Rollins is one of the greatest in ring workers of all time because he can Seth. Speaker 2 Rollins, He's a Bears fan. Speaker 1 Seth Rollins can make a good match out of a fucking garbage man off the street. Speaker 2 OK, well that important to me. Like I said, I like more of the soap opera aspect of. Speaker 1 It but then the other one would be AJ Styles if you ever heard of him, no. Speaker 2 I know exactly. Speaker 1 Like they call AJ Styles the funny. Speaker 2 He looks like they called up guy you just plucked right from the fucking trailer. Speaker 1 Park, yeah, they call him the Phenomenal One for a reason, because he puts on bangers. Speaker 2 We've heard that about him. Speaker 1 Bangers. All right, so right now we stand at 3 picks Levi, 4 picks JJ. Speaker 2 So you're at 2 now. Speaker 1 I'm at 2 now. Speaker 2 OK. So whatever you do right here is going to dictate obviously what I do. Speaker 1 So here's the problem with this list, guys. I have to do a curveball now. I got to go a different direction than what I wanted to go. Speaker 2 Because he wanted HBK. Speaker 1 Because I wanted HBK, wanted HBK. So right here I'm going to take an obvious clear cut pick and no way will probably disagree with it. John Cena We're going to get first one out of the way. John Cena. John Cena taking John Guy Anyway, taking John Cena. Hey, don't don't worry. It's got this really, you know, cool spinner belt that he made. Speaker 2 I I like John Cena. Speaker 1 Really cool. You can't I. Speaker 2 Don't like John Cena? You can't see me. I don't like John Cena as much in wrestling, but I love his movies. I think he's a great fucking actor. Like everything I said, I And he's my favorite part of that so. Speaker 1 I don't want to say I put JJ on John Cena because that's wrong as an actor, but I did get JJ on some other John Cena movies. Yeah, Ricky. Speaker 2 Stanicky. Speaker 1 Ricky Stanicky. Fucking hilarious. Speaker 2 Dude I was worried because I even told you because you suggested the movie. I didn't laugh for 1/2 hour but after that I couldn't stop laughing so it just kind of started off slow. I almost contemplated even turning it off because I'm like this isn't funny. But I was like, no, you take the course and said it was good. Speaker 1 You stick the course on that. Speaker 2 I'll I'll stay on course. And it was by the end I was like I was telling other people about I was like this movie. I love the premise. Speaker 1 The movie's fucking hilarious. Speaker 2 I love the premise, and one of the main characters is a podcaster, which, you know, Oh yeah. Can we call ourselves podcasters? Yeah, I think we can. Speaker 1 I would say so I mean. Speaker 2 You know. Speaker 1 We're doing it. We're making, we're doing. We're doing it, you know, and we get good feedback. I'd say we're podcasters, JJ. Speaker 2 Money if anybody wants to fucking. Speaker 1 I mean, yeah. I mean, you know, hey, just. Speaker 2 Like man, I love your podcast so much. Speaker 1 Just saying, right, Yeah. We're not sponsored by Culver's, but Culver's, you're the fucking best. So you know. Speaker 2 Our shit Culver's, that's that's all that made root beer best burgers. And you know what we always talk about Culver's. Speaker 1 And we go there every time, before or after a podcast. Speaker 2 Because we live in Ashland and this is close to Ontario, you know that's where we go. Best Culver's banger. Polite people clean. Have you ever seen a polite fucking fast food worker? They usually look like they want to kill you and themselves and that you are a just a disturbance and you belong nowhere to order a fucking sandwich. Speaker 1 Yeah, guys, this is this is just partially a bit. Speaker 2 But no, I mean. Speaker 1 All right, all right. Speaker 2 OK, so now you got another pick. The Best Picks See, I'm I'm pulling out a couple of things in my mind right now. Speaker 2 No, and I guarantee you just thought you were going to guess the people. You didn't think it? Speaker 1 At this point it's like OK I'm thinking 2 picks ahead now it's like, is JJ going to take? Speaker 2 I. Speaker 1 Get it? Is JJ going to take this guy the next round or not? I'm going to take this guy on the limb that I think he's going to go close after this if I don't take him, and it's not even my favorite pick. But we're going to go with, you know, iconic change the game. I am going with Macho Man Randy Savage. Speaker 2 That's not a bad pick at all. It's not a bad pick. And you know, you talk about iconic, the voice alone. The voice alone is iconic because you're not going to be confused and I want to take care here to the bounds of hell and I'm snapping. Do a thing. Speaker 1 And I'm fucking and he's the only guy I've ever seen use an elbow drop as a finisher and it actually fucking work. Speaker 2 He's a beast. Speaker 1 And also, he's a beast. He just. Speaker 2 The biggest problem with him is who he was overshadowed. Speaker 1 By right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So with me, I just, I just think like he has to look, he has to build his voice like you know it as soon as you hear it, like absolutely. And he doesn't really have a lot of bad matches. Speaker 2 Shit, you got me thinking now. Speaker 1 So I had to take Macho Man for. Speaker 2 Him, but at the same time that pick is. Speaker 1 That's the correct. Speaker 2 Pick where I'm at. Another one that I kind of forgot about that I've just hasn't been, you know, cuz he's not AIP to macho man. Speaker 1 But you're also thinking this right now too, because like of who he was in wrestling with, you know what I mean? Speaker 2 I think I got where I'm headed. Speaker 1 I'm hoping you don't pick the guy I want and I think you're going to pick him and I'm really pissed off already. That's the problem. There's a guy I don't want you to pick. JJ's 2 Picks 2. Speaker 1 Picks and I hope you fuck this up JJ. Speaker 2 There's no fucking chance. There's absolutely zero chance of that happening. They're going to fuck. So I have two picks. So when you do this and you know you have two picks, I mean, it's kind of irrelevant which one you pick first, right? But my first pick on this is going to be Triple H. Let's get the fucking. Let's get the fucking. Let's get the X back together. You're not happy again. You're not happy. Speaker 1 Again, you know what? Speaker 2 I'm fucking murdering this fucking draft just so everybody. Speaker 1 Knows. You know what pisses me off about that? He was on my radar coming into this and I forgot. Speaker 2 It Triple H should have been picked before Savage. Speaker 1 And I forgot about him and pick Savage. Oh. Speaker 2 Shit, there we go. Boner fucking episode. Fucking Levi. Yeah. Speaker 1 You fuck. Speaker 2 Triple H. Speaker 1 You got me on that one, man Oh shit, you got me and I I wasn't even expecting that at all. Hardcore wasn't expecting that man. That's. Speaker 2 So was. That's not the guy you were thinking of though. Speaker 1 No, but I think you still might pick him, and I hope. Speaker 2 To God, you don't want to. I'm going to throw this out and I and I'm not by any chance like like I'm not upset with this because I think he felt don't fucking do it. Don't fucking do it. Speaker 1 Nope, don't my. Speaker 2 Next pick is Sting. Sting I'm actually happy about that pick. I'm I'm very. Speaker 2 Happy about it Sting is the fact that that a small stint and WWE he was supposed to fight the. Speaker 1 Undertaker. And that's what's wrong with Sting. He didn't fight the Undertaker. Speaker 2 It was his health, it was, but he was a career. Speaker 1 I'm so fucking happy because I know. Speaker 2 WCW but the stair. Speaker 1 I'm so happy because I know I'm going to get what I want. Speaker 2 Staying late, Sting? Well, let's go over these lists. Speaker 1 I think Sting went early, I'm going to be honest. Speaker 2 I think he went really early. Thing could have went way early. Speaker 1 I think he went early. Speaker 2 I think you've mainly been a WDWE guy, right? Speaker 1 Yeah, and I saw him when he came and had his run in WB, like I'm well aware. Speaker 2 But dude, that was way past his prime. He couldn't do the things as a wrestler. He couldn't do that same stair splash he couldn't do. Speaker 1 It well, OK, so here's. Speaker 2 Scorpion fucking Dell. So come on, dude. Speaker 1 So let me actually, God, yeah, no, let me actually highlight on this though. Let me highlight on this because JJ makes a really good point. And that actually goes back to something I said earlier. Sting came back for his little short stint, right? And it was more modern WB like recently really. Speaker 2 And wait passes prime. That's what I'm. Speaker 1 Saying yeah, no passes Prime. So here's the thing. Actually, I talked to you earlier about how good like Rollins was, I guess as a ring, right? Speaker 2 Oh, now I think I know where you're going. Speaker 1 No. Speaker 2 Now I think I know where you're going. Speaker 1 I don't think you do. Speaker 2 I think I do, and I'll I'll tell you if I'm wrong. Speaker 1 Because I wasn't even going on to a pic right now, I was just going to like a story. Speaker 2 But no, you were saying, yeah, so that's the guy you were thinking. Speaker 1 Sting and Rollins had a match together when he came back right and Sting actually severely hurt his back in that match. Speaker 2 Right which He'd been injured. That's why he hadn't been wrestling. Speaker 1 For yeah. And that's why he couldn't have like those other matches you'd want him to have, because in that match with Rollins, it wasn't an error on Rollins end, it was an error on Sting's end where he landed the wrong way in the turnbuckles and hurt his back and it took him. Speaker 2 Out and any of that with what you're doing. I hurt my back pain when my granddaughter is a fucking trampoline part. Speaker 1 No JJ, no, no, no JJ hurt his back fucking blowing somebody. So just saying, don't know who you are, but I've heard the stories. Don't worry you. Speaker 2 Lucky motherfucker, Get the fuck out of here. That shit. Come on now, come on now, let's let's get back to fucking. Speaker 1 Let's make this more of a family show. Speaker 2 I think we've cancelled that family show fucking thing a long fucking time ago. This is not a family I've I've disclaimer. Speaker 1 That I'm going to give myself a pound back to that one. Speaker 2 Just because I tell people like you're my friends and maybe that relationship is not like one of my guy friends like Levi. So I put disclaimers out there warning this is not a kids show. Speaker 1 This is the farthest thing from a kids. Speaker 2 Show, kids show. Speaker 1 This is the farthest thing from a kids show. Let's just put that out there. Speaker 2 OK, so where are we? Bret Hart So I have one I have. Speaker 2 This is such a banger. Speaker 1 I've got 5 picks and I'm about to get six and seven now. Speaker 2 6:00 and 7:00 so. Speaker 1 I know immediately where my first one's at all. Speaker 2 Right. Speaker 1 Right, immediate first answer is Bret Hart. Speaker 2 That's a great pick. That's a great pick and he's another one of those guys is considered. Speaker 1 One of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time. Speaker 2 Let's have execution. What I never understood. He was great in WWE and you know the screw. Speaker 1 Job. I would say the fucking screw job. Speaker 2 So what What always confused me about him, because obviously they did that to him because he was going to WCW, right? But then he goes to WCW and they just proceed to absolutely do fucking nothing with him. Yeah, they did nothing with him. So you're paying this guy. You obviously put the dangle, the fucking carrot in front of him. Oh yeah, It said. Hey, we're giving you all this money we're doing, and then we're just not going to do anything with you. It makes no fucking sense. Speaker 1 I know exactly where my next picks going to. Kurt Angle It makes no sense. Speaker 1 I just I just popped my head like a fucking light bulb. How did he get this low all? Speaker 2 Right, go ahead. Speaker 1 Kurt Angle. Speaker 2 Kurt Angle is one of the funniest mother. Speaker 1 How the fuck did Kurt Angle drop this low on the list? Speaker 2 Well, I I feel like. Speaker 1 He could talk. He was a great wrestler. Speaker 2 Well, I mean, he had that. Speaker 1 Fucking Olympic gold medalist. Speaker 2 He had that Olympic pedigree. Speaker 1 Kurt, That's Kurt fucking Angle. Speaker 2 No, I'm not mad. I like that honestly, and this is just maybe an honest, I think you could have swapped Kurt Angle was savage a. Speaker 1 100% I'm I think. Speaker 2 You could have done that and that Savage wasn't really on my radar. Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing. That's why the fucking light bulb moment just happened. Because like, how the fuck did Kurt Angle make it this far? Speaker 2 No, that's definitely like one of those things for sure that like I would, I would. Speaker 1 Hurt fucking angle, man. Speaker 2 That's good. That's good when you suck. When? Speaker 1 He drops. Speaker 2 Truck to the fuck you suck there. That was fucking brilliant. Speaker 1 Suck, Yeah. Speaker 2 Dude that was great. Speaker 1 That's a fucking banger pic and I'm good at that. Speaker 2 No, I like, can I just suck? Speaker 1 Probably the last technical wrestler off the list that we're thinking about, yeah. Speaker 2 But once again, I don't give a shit about the technical thing. But John Cena is not well known for being a technical. Speaker 1 No, John Cena is well known for his moves of doom. Is what people say 3 moves. It's 5 moves of doom. Speaker 2 And I'm actually kind of glad you did that because my next two picks are going to fucking, they're going to win me this list because I already got both of them. I already have both of them. And I, you're, I've won this. I've won this whole fucking thing. Speaker 1 I mean I I definitely think I fucked up the macho man pick but no disrespect I think macho man still is top like iconic names. Speaker 2 I've got my next two picks. That one's Brock Lesnar. Fuck, you want to talk about changing Fucking this motherfucker only does it part time because he knows Vince McMahon. Well, not anymore. Fuck, but we'll fucking pay him to work half the year and pay him more than the other wrestlers. Speaker 1 I so thought he was going to drop to the end of this. Speaker 2 Fuck no, I'm too knowledgeable. My list is carving you up and you're not. You're not happy. You're. Speaker 1 Not I'm big pissed about that. You're not. I'm big pissed about that. Speaker 2 No, my list is just. I'm blapping the fuck out. Speaker 1 I'm big pissed about that pic. I can't lie, I'm big pissed. Speaker 2 You ever had a bitch slap? Speaker 1 I am look at big piss. Speaker 2 Levi's face. That's what it looks like after it gets done. Speaker 1 I'm big pissed because I was thinking about him this whole time and I'm like he's going to keep dropping. Was the fucking Sting pic. Are you fucking kidding me? You picked Sting over Brock Lesnar? Well, once again, Oh my God, I could do. Speaker 2 That back I would reverse. Speaker 1 You done fucking pissed everybody off, Brock Lesnar. Speaker 2 After way off kilter, I've got you way off your fuck man, and this is going to this. I'm going to put the nail on the coffin right now. Roman Reigns. Let's go, Mike drop. It's fucking over. It's fucking over, bro. There's not. You can't. Speaker 1 Recoup. You want to talk? You want to talk about making fucking? Speaker 2 You were going to fucking kill me. Speaker 1 I thought I was going to get one of those two guys. At least you want my. Speaker 2 Drinks almost done, so now I got to actually take my straw out. Speaker 1 You want to talk about making fucking money? JJ just fucking made a shit ton of money. Speaker 2 Dude I holy fuck I killed you. Speaker 1 See, now it's at the point where like, I'm totally in a fucking stirred right now. Speaker 2 That. Speaker 1 Was that was 1000% one of my last like next two picks one of them. Speaker 2 No, I mean, and I grabbed them both, but that's that's neither here nor there. They're like. Speaker 1 You know what I'm I'm going to go a different direction. Speaker 2 You have to go some direction because you can't win this draft. Speaker 1 It's not going to come. Speaker 2 Draft is over. Speaker 1 It's not going to compare by any means, but this is, you know, you want to talk again. The Boys Back Together The boys back together JJ at this point in this draft. Speaker 2 Have to do it. And I know who you're saying I have to pick Kate. Speaker 1 I have to pick Kane. Speaker 2 No, that's not who I thought you were going. Speaker 1 To have to pick Kane. Speaker 2 Your next thing might be the guy who I was thinking, but Kane. Kane is. Speaker 1 The Brothers of Destruction are on the fucking. Speaker 2 Or something, man, because you just lost this draft. Speaker 1 I yeah, right. I fucked up you. Speaker 2 Even know, I think you couldn't even conceive I. Speaker 1 Fucked up. Let's be real. I so fucked up, yeah. Speaker 2 You. Yeah, you. Speaker 1 Lost. We're going to take a brief pause and JJ and I can go outside the parking lot real quick. JJ’s pick We're going to see how things get sound like man my. Speaker 2 Picks. God, you are so good. Let me get some more. It was a fucking beat down today, boys and girls. Oh. Speaker 1 Fuck, man. Speaker 2 I mean, that's an asshole overnight there. Speaker 1 Because I'm on pick and I'm on my 9th pick now. Speaker 2 So how many picks do we have left? Like. Speaker 1 So I'm doing. Let me do my brief pause. I'm gonna do the math really quick. I'm. Speaker 2 So glad he's doing it because you might get a 200 calendar if I was doing it all right. We, Scott, we're on a podcast. We can't. We can't just pause and fucking let you look at. Speaker 1 Your you have two more picks left. Speaker 2 So I have two more picks. Oh my God, let's fuck. I thought the nail was already in the coffin, but looks like I got a fucking few more studs to fucking drill in there. Let's go all. Speaker 1 Right, so I'm on pick 8 all right? God, what the fuck direction am I going to go? I I'm like literally stumped right now because you fucking done blew my mind. Speaker 2 Oh shit, I'm loving it. Speaker 1 Though you know what, I'm going to choose a game changing wrestler for the time he was in wrestling, change everything, and it's not even my favorite pick, but this is the pick I'm going with right now. Rob Van Dam. Speaker 2 Rob Van Dam. Awful pick. Speaker 1 Rob Van Dam. Speaker 2 Because after you hear my next pick, you're going to be like, what? What the fuck was I thinking? Speaker 1 No, because here's the thing. Because. Speaker 2 That was your second pick? Like I don't have to worry about you stealing my other pick, right? Speaker 1 Oh, I have more picks. Speaker 2 I know, but that was your. Speaker 1 That's my second pick, but here. No, hear me out. Let me explain this, OK? I know you're like all mind blowing and you might blow my mind. It's very possible you've done it a million times already in this podcast. Speaker 2 But no, no, you're done after this next pick. Speaker 1 RVD was the headliner of ECW. Paul Heyman's thing. OK, that was the guy. Every mother fucker in love this. Speaker 2 Pick on the junior varsity squad. There you go. Rob Van Damme. There you. Speaker 1 Go, that's fine. I'm I'm just saying you can say you hate that pick, I think, I think. Speaker 2 I don't. I don't hate that pick as much as you're going to be mad when I say my next pick. Speaker 1 And you know, I probably will be, but that's the correct pick as far as game change. People combat what you gave me even though doesn't. Speaker 2 Stack up my next pick. Speaker 1 No, I'm, I'm not too stressed about it, all right? Speaker 2 I'm going to say it right now, OK, Mick Foley. Speaker 1 Don't have it. I for listen 3 characters. No, no, see, that's the thing. You don't have 3 characters. You don't get 3 characters, you get Mick Foley. Speaker 2 No, he's the same fucking person. No, no, I get. Speaker 1 No, because here. No, no. OK time out. Time out. Nope, Nope, Nope. We're going. We're. Speaker 2 So mad at his the ass beating. Speaker 1 No, we're going to the audience on this one. He entered the royal nuts. Speaker 2 There's a woodshed back there, you've got two or three appointments. Speaker 1 JJ, this is you're getting. Speaker 2 Taken. Speaker 1 Out JJ, this is the part to ask. This is the part where you step down, pipe down a little bit and you just take this knowledge like a man voice. The reason? Speaker 2 All right, I'll give it to him. Speaker 1 He entered the Rumble as Mick Foley, Cactus Jack, Mankind and Dude Love. Those were four spots in the Rumble. We're going to the audience on this. If you want to give J all the pics, that's up to you guys. I think time out. I think if he's going with that pic, he gets that specific pic, not all four characters. OK. Speaker 2 And what I'm saying. Speaker 1 So what you're saying doesn't matter because he took four spots up in a rumble? It doesn't matter. Speaker 2 He's bad because he's losing, which I get. Speaker 1 I honestly would rather have RVD than Mick Foley. I really. Speaker 2 Would. No, you wouldn't. Yeah. Speaker 1 It would 100%. I really would, 100%. Speaker 2 This is another one of these scenarios. When we get off there, he's like, no, I wouldn't. Speaker 1 No, I would. I would take Robin Ham every time over Mick Foley. I. Speaker 2 Really wouldn't, but so here's my case. So even if people are like and they say no, Mick Foley is the only one you could take. And in the back of their mind they still know that he's the one that was fucking Mankind and Dude Love. And you know, they still know that. But at the same time I still got another pick. Speaker 1 You do. Speaker 2 And I'm going Bill Goldberg. Speaker 1 OK that pic doesn't upset me so much but it does make me a little bit like damn I don't really think about that one dude. Speaker 2 He. Speaker 1 Changed, dude, he changed. No, he changed. Speaker 2 Again. Speaker 1 He changed the game 100%. I'm not. I'm not going to disagree with that. He changed the game. Speaker 2 Dude, my my. Speaker 1 List Your list is pretty fire. I'm going to be real with you. 1/2 I think I'm on my last pick. Speaker 2 And I have one more. Speaker 1 35789 I have one more pick you're done. I'm. Speaker 2 Done all right? Shit, there's a couple more guys I wanted. Speaker 1 See, this is going to be. Speaker 2 He couldn't resurrect any wrestling. It doesn't matter because it's all time. But I won this fucking draft. I won this draft. So there's no fucking I won this fucking draft. Speaker 1 So you can you no, no, no, no, you can, you can veto this because if you veto this, I'll go a different direction. I'm. Speaker 2 Not going to veto anything. I already won. There's nothing you could say that's not going to fucking. Speaker 1 You can veto this I'm, but if you don't be this, I'm sticking with this. Speaker 2 All right, you can have it. There's nothing you can say. Speaker 1 OK, then in that case I am taking Mr. command. Speaker 2 No, that's a fucking That's one of your better picks. Speaker 1 That's fine, I. Speaker 2 Would take him over. I'd take him over Savage and RVD. Speaker 1 I'm happy to take him with my very last pick. Speaker 2 No, you're fine, but you still lost the draft. But. Speaker 1 You know what? So let's no, no, no, let's just recap. I just had. I've never thought in my head, I didn't even think about like putting Randy Orton on my list. Speaker 2 I thought about him. I thought of Dusty Rhodes. I thought of some I didn't. Speaker 1 Think about. I didn't think about Dusty. Speaker 2 Rhodes, I thought about a lot of guys, but once again, I think my favorite pick for where you got him for me personally was Bret Hart. I think Bret Hart was a really fucking good pick. Speaker 1 No, and I and I would agree. I think that that was one of the picks were that was when I was like, oh shit, he's going to pick this guy. Speaker 2 Take Seth Rollins. Speaker 1 No, because no, because I told. Speaker 2 You you're hyping his skills I. Speaker 1 Told you I wasn't going to take a newer guy. If I'd have taken a newer guy, I'd have fucking had you dead in the fucking water because I know all of them and. Speaker 2 You didn't and that didn't happen. And that's. Speaker 1 Fine, but I'm not going to do that because we agreed not to do that, and that's fine. Speaker 2 Hell, fucking JJ. Speaker 1 That wraps up our list and we will put this down below in our comments as well so you can kind of recap the list and look at it. Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll, we'll get that on there. But I mean, come on, this is. Speaker 1 I mean, I'm going to be honest. Speaker 2 This isn't close. Speaker 1 I'm going to be honest because I am a like, you know, humble player in this game, even though I got pissed a couple of your picks. I don't think if you take anybody besides Lesnar Reigns in the same round that you'd have beat me. But when you picked those two guys, that was solid. When you picked those two guys, I was fucking cooked that. Speaker 2 Was a solid bam. Speaker 1 Knockout because I mean, if we're talking just selling tickets, asses in the seats, like making fucking money, I mean Roman Reigns, you, I mean, you may know this, you may not know this. Roman Reigns fucking works only 1/4 of the year now too. Speaker 2 Yeah, that gets that. And he's the highest. Speaker 1 Paid guy in WWE by I'm sure he's. Speaker 2 One of the top merch guys always. Speaker 1 But I think that's around even. Speaker 2 Say what we're doing. I know I won this draft. I don't have to fuck it. You don't have to fuck it. Speaker 1 I think that's the part where you, you, you had me surprised. I didn't think that was going to happen that way. I thought I was gonna get one of those guys, an identity. Speaker 2 You were so confident going into this thing. I'm like, I'm not surprised this motherfucker. But think about, dude, we could do a top ten list of guys we left out. Like I said, Dusty Rhodes was iconic as shit like. Speaker 1 Oh yeah, there's, there's a there's a tournament named after. Speaker 2 Head Ultimate Warrior Roddy Piper. Like there's Roddy Roddy. Speaker 1 Piper was on my radar, but I didn't think he stacked up with the guys I picked and. Speaker 2 And that's fine, but I'm just saying Jake's a sake Roberts. I mean, there's guys, there's guys out. Speaker 1 I was never a big fan of Jake. Speaker 2 I mean, but I'm just saying I don't have to be a fan if you're just going influential. Yeah, the guy comes out with a fucking bag and fucking, you know what can you do? Speaker 1 No, 100%. I definitely there's some guys that were left out expecting. Speaker 2 To kill you that bad. I really wasn't trying to fucking do that. Speaker 1 No, your Reigns and Brock Lesnar pick totally fucking surprised me. Speaker 2 I'm sure you're going to get me. I'm sure you're going to get me back. Speaker 1 I was already there. I was. Speaker 2 I'm pissed because you shit on my fucking. Speaker 1 Head I was just. Speaker 2 Because you shit on my fucking notebook pick. So now I'm going to fucking rip on this movie that I've never seen. You'll get me back. It's fine. It's the yin Yang. Speaker 1 No, yeah, it's. Speaker 2 Back and forth. Speaker 1 And with this being a podcast, like we're here to have fun guys. Like obviously, obviously, you know. Speaker 2 Winning any kind of prize, even I won this fucking W. Speaker 1 There's some there's some angry moments, and that's okay. Speaker 2 Now him and I are both very competitive to just walk around. Yeah, so that'll lend this to me for a week just so I could come into work. Speaker 1 That's why I'm a little salty, because, you know, we're competitive people. Speaker 2 Be like hey. Speaker 1 Hey listen, hey listen. Like mine mine JJ's opinions don't matter on the list. Speaker 2 It's all you guys. It's all you guys. Speaker 1 You guys think what you think, and this is an iconic influential like change the Game. This is what we based our list off of, right? Speaker 2 And not, once again, we don't. We never shout out to people every episode. We do. People gets more views, gets more comments, and that's what you know, that's what you're trying to do. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 We haven't thanked you yet. Once again, we couldn't do anything without people listening so. Speaker 1 Man, no thank you guys so much for, you know, being a part of this. Thank you for tuning into this battle Royale. You know, if you smell what J JS cooking, he fucking probably smoked my ass in this draft. Speaker 2 Bring you to a minute is the best thing that's going to happen in my day-to-day, for sure. Speaker 1 Like I said, you might think my list is better. We'll. Speaker 2 See or not but. Speaker 1 I do. I do think my top five is better in your top five. I think you killed me on the back end though. Speaker 2 You know, marathon, not a Sprint. Speaker 1 And that's fine. Speaker 2 But this has been so fun once again. This is always so much fun for us to do. Speaker 1 Marathon, not This is our first. Speaker 2 Video So I think, you know, yeah, if you guys have, if you guys have listened to this podcast and you you've never matched up our voices to our faces, you might be absolutely shocked because I do that when I read a book and then they make a movie and I'm like that character, right? That's not what I had in my head, but you get that in your head. And yeah, Mr. Fucking Sleeveless over here made sure the guns were fucking out for everybody to see. Just so you know, that wasn't accidentally done. He did that on purpose. Hey why not man if you're a young guy? Dude if I was young buff like him, I'd do the same fucking thing. Speaker 1 Look good, feel good, make a good podcast. That's what it is too. Speaker 2 Yeah, that's awesome. Once again, I would do the same thing if I was young and jacked. I'm just old and fat. Speaker 1 You forgot to mention the handsome part as well, but you know, if that's, you know, whatever. Speaker 2 That's fine. Yes, you are. You're dapper. You're dip DAP. You're fucking. You're right, JJ, You. Speaker 1 Don't have to say that. Oh my God. Speaker 2 I am mad draft though. But yeah, I do agree with you the the Lester Rains thing. Speaker 1 You fucking murdered me on that. Speaker 2 Put you in a fucking a hole you couldn't dig out. Speaker 1 See, it's just be like we talked in the car so much about how I'm not going to pick new guys. So I'm like, I'm not going to pick rains. I'm just not going to do it right as much as I wanted to, I think. Speaker 2 You might have been doing that to throw me off Rains of set like. Speaker 1 Nah dude I would have done it. Maybe 10th pick, but that's probably have been it. Speaker 2 But you got to do it. You got to do it at this point because the people are the ones that are going to judge this and that's what they know. Yeah. Is what's out there recent. Especially like people we work with because they're mostly younger, right? I'm everybody's fucking great grandfather so. Speaker 1 And that's why he does marathons, not sprints. He's too damn slow to fucking. Speaker 2 Sprint, absolutely, and I'll get through about 10 minutes of the marathon, 10 minutes. Speaker 1 Of the marathon and then even. Speaker 2 The white flag. Speaker 1 10 minutes of the marathon. They need the beer, bro. Speaker 2 But yeah, that that this was this was awesome. Speaker 1 No, that's not a lot of fun, truly. Speaker 2 See the video on this. Speaker 1 Yeah. No, definitely, we are excited. Speaker 2 You guys like it. Once again, wrestling's not everybody's cup of tea. But you know what? Levi and I are entertained no matter what the subject is, I believe. And that's just me, because I'm the one I'm part. Speaker 1 And that go and that goes on to actually our last thing before we close this all out again, thank you all for tuning in. You know, being a part of our first video episode, being a part of our fan base, it's truly, we appreciate it so very much. So thank you. But yeah, back to what Jay just said to close us out. We are entertained by just interacting with each other. We can talk about a million things. So we bring this up to mention. Do you guys have any ideas for us as far as things that you specifically want to see? Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll do a podcast on anything. Speaker 1 Make a comment about it because we might get into podcasts about that down the line. That might be an option because. Speaker 2 We might see the most comments one and two and then we'll fucking and if. Speaker 1 One of those comments is me and JJ get in a bare knuckle fight. That's fine, we'll do it. We don't care. Speaker 2 I'll lose. I'm fucking. It's like Jake Paul beating up Mike Tyson, except for I was never Mike Tyson. You're closer to Jake Paul than I was ever Mike Tyson. I would just get fucking beat to death. So if your thing is elderly abuse, you go right ahead. You go right ahead. Speaker 1 And then the very well, I take a nap. I got, I got to, I got to say something also to just have something to look forward to guys. We are getting into some guest appearances coming up. So stay tuned for all that guys. We actually have a couple of people lined up, some topics we're going to go over some really cool stuff, some different stuff and we're going to be here to talk, entertain ourselves, entertain you guys and really we got some cool stuff ahead for you guys. So definitely look forward to some of the things coming out. We're going to post on our Facebooks and then we're going to also post on Spotify. We're in the works. We're in the works of making a Facebook and involved on YouTube as well. So lots of cool pockets, ideas coming a while, lots of good stuff in the works. And yeah guys, stay tuned. You might even see a photo shoot soon, who knows? Speaker 2 Let's go, Let's go all. Speaker 1 Right guys, thank you for tuning into this episode of Meet in the Middle with Levi and J. We love you all so very much. And again, thank you. Bye.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The podcast hosts Levi and JJ are launching their first live video podcast, focusing on wrestling.
  2. They debate whether wrestling is a sport, concluding it is "sports entertainment" with athletic performers but predetermined outcomes.
  3. They discuss the importance of mic skills and personality over in-ring ability in modern wrestling, citing examples like Drew McIntyre and Roman Reigns.
  4. The main event is a Top 10 snake draft of the most impactful wrestlers of all time, excluding tag teams.
  5. Levi picks Stone Cold Steve Austin #1; JJ picks Andre the Giant #
  6. JJ also picks The Rock at #2; Levi counters with Hulk Hogan at #
  7. They mention the significance of iconic moments, such as Hulk Hogan's heel turn as Hollywood Hogan.

Summary:

In this episode of the Meet in the Middle podcast, hosts Levi and JJ launch their first live video podcast, focusing on wrestling. They begin by debating whether wrestling is a sport, agreeing it is "sports entertainment" with highly athletic performers but predetermined outcomes. They emphasize that modern wrestling prioritizes mic skills and personality over in-ring ability, citing examples like Drew McIntyre and Roman Reigns.

The main segment is a Top 10 snake draft of the most impactful and important wrestlers of all time, excluding tag teams. Levi picks Stone Cold Steve Austin as his first overall pick, while JJ chooses Andre the Giant. JJ then selects The Rock as his second pick, and Levi counters with Hulk Hogan.

They discuss the cultural and historical impact of these wrestlers, noting how they changed the industry and became household names. The hosts also touch on the financial success of wrestlers like The Rock and the shocking heel turn of Hulk Hogan into Hollywood Hogan. The episode sets up a competitive draft where each host aims to build the best list, inviting listener feedback to determine the winner.

FAQs

A snake draft is a selection order where the first pick goes to one host, then the second host picks twice in a row (back-to-back), and then the first host picks again, reversing order each round. Here, Levi won the coin flip and got the first pick, but both hosts preferred the back-to-back picks that come with losing the flip.

Levi chose Stone Cold Steve Austin because he considers him the most iconic figure with the most recognizable theme and finisher, and a key driver of the Ruthless Aggression era. He believed Austin was a household name who changed the game.

JJ picked Andre the Giant because he views him as a game-changer due to his unprecedented size, legendary drinking ability, and influence on events like the Royal Rumble. He argued Andre was so dominant that no one could mess with him, making him a unique force in wrestling history.

Levi defines 'sports entertainment' as modern wrestling that prioritizes mic skills, character work, and merchandise sales over pure in-ring action. He argues that today's stars like Drew McIntyre must master promos to get TV time, unlike in the 80s and 90s when wrestling focused more on fighting and putting on a show.

The hosts excluded tag teams to avoid controversy and because they felt there were many great teams that would be hard to rank fairly. They hinted at a future episode dedicated solely to tag teams to cover them properly.

Levi highlighted Hulk Hogan's turn into Hollywood Hogan as one of the most shocking heel turns of all time, because Hogan was traditionally a beloved hero in yellow and red, and switching to a villain persona changed the industry and showcased his versatility.

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