The Wrath of Nathan MacKinnon

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I have Yankees fans, friends. They talk so much shit in the group chat last night. Couldn't say a goddamn thing. Couldn't say a goddamn thing because the Red Sox are a joke. Three runs in 18 innings. What are you supposed to do with that? Absolute joke. I feel like the Red Sox have straight up. I feel like the Red Sox. Ownership has straight up killed my my love for baseball. I think you would not be baseball. Yeah, I was going to say you would not be alone in Boston and thinking that and Jaron Duran killing everybody's vibe for everything. Yeah, I mean, like, I'm not the biggest Jaron Duran guy, but it is truly like the ownership's fault. Well, I did. I said it before, but like, I feel like I can't get attached to players. I feel like I can't respect the way that they go about their business. They've turned my beloved franchise and the religious cult that is Red Sox fandom into a fucking brand and go ahead and hit the stop whining. No, I was going to do this one. But then I was also going to stop whining. There you go. So, all right, baseball's over. Cool. Fucking clean house. I hope that John Henry disappears into dust at some point. All I care about now is that the New York Yankees don't want a World Series. And that is the silver lining. Anytime the Yankees beat the Red Sox in the playoffs is that they are one step closer to a World Series, which means their fans' hopes are that much higher, which means when they inevitably fuck up, or when Aaron Boone, more accurately, inevitably fucks up, it will feel that much better for me. Because I've explained to people before, I think the strongest feeling I feel in my sports fandom, stronger than my love for any individual team, is my hatred for the New York Yankees. But you, the, oh man, I can't wait for the Yankees fans to get their hopes up for, or when they inevitably lose. That I reserve for a few fan bases, and the Yankees are not one of them. Because if the Yankees lose, it would be like when the Patriots lost. You're like, ah, goddammit, I really thought we were gonna win the Super Bowl every year. It also, like, it takes a lot of air out of the mocking the Yankees when they lose, when Yankees fans can just be like, your team's a fucking joke, and we wiped the floor with you, and you can't get out of September. No, but the Yankees haven't won a World Series since 2009. The Red Sox have won three in that time frame. At least it looks like they're trying these days. Not, like, far be it for me to defend the Yankees, but at least it looks like they're fucking trying to win the World Series. What, didn't the Red Sox have t-shirts that say, like, built for October, by the way? I don't know. It said something like, built for October, or, like, here for October. And they, uh, famously did not make it to October. The Yankees. What do you mean, what am I talking about? The Yankees are also a wildcard team. It's not like they ran away with the division or something. They were hardly better than the Red Sox this year. I'm not, I'm not, like, denying the fact. Oh, I don't know about hardly better. The Red Sox got into the playoffs because they had one cool winning streak. Okay, well, first off, you think I'm gonna sit here and be like, oh, team got into the playoffs based on one cool winning streak, so it doesn't, it's not valid? Uh, your cool winning streak was most of the season, also. Yeah, listen. Like, Red Sox winning, cool winning streak was also, like, most of the season. But, like, your, like, your cool, your team's cool winning streak had carryover effects for the rest of the season. The Red Sox cool winning streak was just an isolated winning streak and then they returned to being a pretty bad baseball team and then remained a pretty bad baseball team. And it weren't, not to talk too much baseball because I don't really follow it anymore, like, nobody was like, oh, yeah, they're winning now. They're gonna be able to, like, this is an offense they've got here. Like, they got to the end and how many runs did they score in this two-game series? Three. There wasn't, like, it was, uh, they're not good. The Canucks knocked that out in four minutes. Four minutes, brother. I'm just saying, the Yankees are also not that great. So, and they haven't won a World Series in over a decade. The Red Sox have won multiple. So, them beating the, like, that doesn't matter to them. I mean, like, it matters to me, but who cares? They also haven't won shit. I will remind folks, this is a hockey podcast. So, Landon Donovan, shut the fuck up saying that the Rebs are. Did you hear what Landon Donovan said about the New England Revolution? I did not, no. He said, if the. Oh, yeah, he said, if they were. He said, if they were, like, if they had the biggest stars in the world or whatever, and they were down the street, and somebody gave him tickets, he wouldn't go. He said, if they were three-quarters of a mile down the road, and somebody handed him tickets, he would not go. That, Landon Donovan, is, sorry to pull rank on you, that is you not knowing ball. If somebody tells you there is an MLS game nearby, and they hand you tickets, you fucking go. Because, as Sean will tell you, Sean, like, goes to Toronto FC games. Toronto fucking sucks, but every MLS, every MLS game is crazy and awesome. Or close. Both games I went to, the first one was a massive mistake, because I missed the end of it to go to a baseball game, and there were three goals in the last five minutes of the game. And then the last game I went to, I think it was, it was Robert Lewandowski, and they ended in a 4-4 draw. And Toronto tied the game in, like, the 93rd minute. It was fucking incredible. And then I walked outside, and it was the Toronto, or it was the Canadian Expo, like, the national fair. And there was a pit bull concert across the street. It's a. It was a fucking party. I'm pro MLS. Also, chat, I respect everybody for being here. Shut the fuck up, respectfully. What are they doing? Saying, get to hockey. It's two days into the season. Get to hockey. We get to do whatever the fuck we want on our show, but especially in the first ten minutes. Oh, yeah. Especially in the first ten minutes. We get to do whatever the fuck we want. Shut up. And we're only eight minutes in. Yes. So. Two more minutes. I haven't even broke. I've been listening to a lot of shins lately. I'd like to tell you. I'm going to tell you all about it. Going to see Digger tomorrow. Are you coming? No, I can't tomorrow, unfortunately. I'm going to see it in VistaVision. They say that when a movie seems like it's going to be pretty bad, if you see it in VistaVision, it's good. All right. That's a pro tip for you. All right. But then you don't have a real read on Digger. Because if you see it in VistaVision, you're going to think it's good no matter what. That's true. I'm going to have VistaVision-colored glasses on. Exactly. But again, we were talking about this yesterday. We were like, So what if Digger does suck? Then it's, "Oh, I went and saw bad tom cruise movie like that's those are some of my most uh cherished memories i love going still gonna want to have that in your bag to be able to reference oh yeah yeah i'm not worried and there are enough movies this year that seem like they're gonna be fucking awesome or have been awesome the digger being bad actually i have space for digger being bad and uh primetime having been bad i think kind of works out like i'm a uh bola negra guy hasn't come out yet but i'm all my stocks are in there and all my socks are in uh godzilla minus zero godzilla minus zero what's the western one that's uh coming up that it's like a western-ish kind of funny movie oh with um with john malkovich yeah i forget the name of that one but i'm very excited yeah the movies are coming let's go let's talk hockey you fucking are you fucking happy now are you fucking happy now uh sean what's on the show let me know we don't but pete's not happy to do this by the way okay he's doing you a favor bud uh today on the show get ready to learn not shutting the fuck up we got off to a good start there yeah we got off to a good do you know what that means get ready to learn not shutting the fuck up i do know what that means that means we are halfway to you not shutting the fuck up about the pittsburgh penguins yep famously declared in the season preview that if the penguins won their first two games you weren't going to shut the fuck up about it and the penguins i i feel like maybe their first win should count that count they get four points yeah so uh we'll talk about the pittsburgh penguins we'll also talk about can't spell alternate captain that this is maybe the best today on the show i've ever written can't spell alternate captain dot dot dot without a c close ish you're on the right oh i got it i got it i got it what is it you can't spell an alternate you can't spell alternate captain without four a's wow there you go that's a big good yeah nice one uh like wheel of fortune or something that was awesome yes a seventh team with four a's has hit the nhl uh shana joins that one's pretty self-explanatory but a really really hard hitting one as well because shana goldman greatest friend of the show love to have her she's gonna be great uh and finally language police uh and the sheriff of the police department is apparently one nathan mckinnon it's exactly who i want in charge of i was gonna say in charge of any police but i feel like if nathan mckinnon were in charge of the police we'd be getting a lot of like defund the police or abolish the police from every group yeah because they'd just be scared yes you're right i'm not sure if you're right or not i'm not sure if you're right or not yeah i feel like community policing would take a real dip if nathan mckinnon was the chief of police yeah so he's not police for now but not in any problematic way it's just that nathan mckinnon doesn't really have time for you or me yeah like if you complain if you're like hey there are some people outside my uh home and i'm afraid of what they might be trying to bring he'd be like what's your problem and you'd be mad at them too but he'd be like why are you calling me be a lot of uh search warrants for pantries yeah and he'd uh he'd also he'd say like oh i don't think you know what a crime is maybe you've never seen a crime before remember when we said that about uh people who were saying the power play didn't look good because they weren't scoring on the power play and he was like yeah well that's because our fans are fucking idiots okay so avalanche fans who were on pete's case last night because he made a very good connor garland reference i believe it was a connor garland reference yeah a bunch of abs fans told me to kill myself because i was made a good joke about nathan mckinnon that wasn't even like disparaging of nathan mckinnon it was maybe disparaging of connor garland which i'm always doing it's like a very pro nathan mckinnon joke and abs fans were like kill yourself so shut that mid-season form already and nathan mckinnon doesn't like you okay so you cannot like pete all you want he's in his bag right now we protect him at all costs here come the penguins the penguins go into philadelphia and they're 7-0 in their opener sean could you show us how this game ended please this will be only the fifth shutout in philadelphia by the penguins last one all the way back in 2000 penguins win it 7-0 as she loves stops all 19 she loves stops all 19 and i believe ladar allows all seven i think they kept him in that whole game oh i thought you meant like it's seven for seven i was like i don't think he went like he went shots i think he went over seven that was tristan jari the other night yeah no there were some points where like nick robertson was gonna shoot and he was like ah you know what this one's a little lower i know that the old danny's having a bad night i'm gonna save this for later i need a higher percentage chance this was a an unbelievable start for anybody who said the other day that we all agree the penguins after being the surprise playoff team of last year and not just a surprise playoff team like a surprise not picking first overall team yeah and made the playoffs and we talked about we were like they're not gonna do it again they can't do it again but i did say if they win their first two games of the season sean face i don't be shutting the fuck up about it they win their first game on the road in philadelphia seven to nothing and not only is it an ass kicking but dubious fleece watch is back on for nick robertson for nick robertson whom they got for a 20 28th fourth round pick this is a 25 year old forward who averaged or i would say at the last three seasons in toronto his only full seasons in the nhl full some of them he played like 50 games or whatever but i calculated what his 82 game pace would be scoring wise 18 goals they got him i'm not saying he's great right but they got him for a 20 28th fourth round pick he scores two goals hendrix lapierre a 24 year old that they got for a 20 27 third and 20 28 fifth this offseason a goal and an assist and i'll also throw into that this was a couple off seasons ago now but archer shelovs whom we thought he kind of stole for chase stillman and a 20 27 fourth 19 save shutout on the road so no goals from who says that no uh that would be you see sorrows you see sorrows voice no goals for sydney crosby one goal point yeah one point that's a nice points where's the rest of them your team scored seven goals fucking do something you you you you get you got uh hab's eyes on right now you're dreaming about playing in washington or wherever you want to go gino malkin one goal but the story of this game is a second you were saying in the chat like a second robertson has hit the nhl he'd already hit the nhl he was already an okay player toronto dumps him hilarious and looks like the penguins now have at least some more shit to play with as i was saying like why'd you let ryan shay go what kind of offseason did you have so far pretty fucking cool yeah did you uh did you understand the uh a second robertson has hit the nhl joke i mean a second blank has hit the blank yes but that's because he was born on 9-11 yes a bunch of people were finding out yesterday that nick robertson was born on actual 9-11 that has to be a real tough uh tough experience for a parent i would say people had worse experiences on 9-11 2001 i would agree but i mean i more mean it as like it is a uh a really tough grappling of different emotions what am i bringing like what kind of world am i bringing a child into because everyone always asks that where they're like god do i want to bring a child into a world where they're like god do i want to bring a child into this world terrible day terrible day to bring a child in this world but also like that you want to look back on the the birth of your child is one of the happiest days of your life what are you going to tell people that 9-11 was one of the happiest days of your life devastating day throughout a lot of content horrible horrible horrible but silver lining nick robertson silver lining of 9-11 no no no i'm saying silver lining for those for the parents being like what a fucking horrible day we don't do silver lining of 9-11 okay all right good lord okay just needed to clear it up you might just asking the start yelling at pete again uh so dubious cooks love that penguins off to an amazing start for the flyers porter martone playoff p indeed because regular season p regular season p he is not zero shots on goal he did not have one of the 19 shots on goal he did not have one of the 19 shots on goal he did not have one of the 19 shots that archer she loves denied uh matt vayne michkov one shot on goal in a uh in a non-leo carlson world for the philadelphia flyers i need more than one goal shot on goal combined between porter martone and matt vayne michkov yeah it was a bad night for the flyers think that uh goes without saying but i will say it because yg is here and anytime there's a really bad night for the flyers i would just like to kind of do the the finger thing and uh and yg had no fight last night he was really despondent yeah i don't know if you were uh i think it was in the uh the slack but he was like trying to do a little pushback and like fight back and then immediately gave up and was like i can't fucking talk shit right now this sucks yeah last night a bad night for fighting back just go down dog just take your charming silly ass and just go down dog only way this game and this result could have been worse for the philadelphia flyers if the anaheim ducks declined to match and this was leo carlson's debut with the team and they lost seven nothing at home to the penguins and didn't do shit that is a really good point that i hadn't considered there you go lining chat on my nick robertson podcast that would have been that would have been great though today would have been the best show of my life i would know it would have been a difficult show you because you are a leo guy i am a leo guy but i'm also like a i love when a city burns kind of guy not 9-11 i was gonna say anything that has any such imagery sorry uh yes not not in that not in that regard but when a uh i love when i'll rephrase i love when a fan base really overreacts after one game well this would be the time to overreact that was really bad are you doing any reactions uh for the penguins i am okay i mean we're here we are halfway to not shutting the fuck up also i'm starting to like get a little uh i don't want to say i cocky with it but like i'm starting to embrace the witch accusations oh yeah i like when i say something and it starts to happen and i'm getting any sort of like oh how did he know i'm like how did i know i mean the the bouchard one was the first time that i really maybe considered that there's something going on there i started to make a social clip of the bouchard conversation and i was like oh my god yesterday but because but uh you cut off sean while he was waiting while he had a thought on the martin luther king of it all and i think it was because famously cutting off sean mid martin luther king point is a really bad object we do have it we do have the receipts and everything that sean was quiet and pete's here yesterday sean pete could not hear sean he asked him to turn himself up at some point but i was like we can't have a martin luther king clip where it's just pete talking over sean as sean was like you were agreeing that and the take was martin luther king's dream better and more important than my dream and isn't it just so human that the fucking bouchard dream came true no problem and the one that actually has hope for our future in our world in for humanity that's the one that society puts on the back burner i could see that sean you were going you were like yes i and pete just fucking cruised through and made i think made the same point but not great i was gonna say i think at some point i was trying to say that uh uh something along the lines of i i have a dream that one day my defenseman will be judged by the quality of his offense and not the analytics on his defense something along those lines uh not bad the you decide if it's better or worse than i did the analytics on evan defense though he's i saw his j fresh player card getting better defense is 60 i saw that i was like oh shut the fuck up everybody if he's that good offensively and he's 60 defensively then yeah top bad player in the world not the problem is that the the the on paper 40 doesn't illustrate how bad it can be yeah i test way worse than the analytics for uh evan bouchard there i gotta ask did either of you see the uh the jj peterka segment from one mike felger yesterday talk about licking the screen my man i don't know if that's like link like licking a window or like you licking the screen because you liked it so much i don't know either but i've been getting uh very very sick i'm currently sick worse today than i was yesterday which is a tough uh frustrating point let's see if we can find um the peterka clip you can't because uh they deleted it oh that's how bad that clip was uh it was mike felger just being like jj peterka what even is that and being like jj peterka that's the name you're getting excited about the guy who he was a buffalo saber couldn't even crack it with the mammoth a jj but like he was making fun of the name he was like you gave up two first round picks for that guy that like the mammoth got rid of yeah because they got two first round picks for him because also being like you can't crack it on the sabers or the mammoth two teams that are currently better than the boston bruins yeah the the mammoth slander that came out of that segment was a real like well you we know you don't listen to or watch playoff hockey or western conference hockey but if i didn't know that i would assume it based off of the way that you're talking about the mammoth right now i heard a little bit of the end of their show yesterday when they were talking about the mammoth and they were talking about the mammoth and they were talking about the mammoth and they were talking about the mammoth and they were talking about it basically uh so he said all that and then of course jj peterka has a great debut scores the goal of the year so far and callers were calling in and they were as felger and maz says uh blahing him which is what do you think of him now that kind of thing and felger was just outright rejecting it he was like what do i think of him now oh he scored a goal we he scored a goal where like i remember when i was covering the bruins he used to scream me all the time of like you defend them too much they don't have snipers they don't have goal scores they just want to win every game zero zero they didn't give sagan a chance blah blah and then whenever sagan will play you would call him a puss if if peterka scored a goal like that against the bruins felger would go on the air the next day and have his dick out doing helicopters with it being like that's the guy this is why don sweeney sucks because he can't get guys like this do you know that utah had that guy and just put him forbid in the offseason and where was don sweeney taking a nap sitting with the schmenzer in his hand that's how felger talks yep so i love the man but yeah people were calling in and they were like oh yeah so how you like uh how you like peterka now and felger was like i still don't and the callers were like what that can't fuck i i'm kind of caught off guard now also the audacity of felger to go on the air and do the i have i've never heard of this guy bit on the same day after i'd have had a five point night in the hat trick just he probably didn't know that that happened either so i did see you quoted it with like wait until he sees what evan bouchard did last night and jimmy stewart their great producer friend of the show quoted with like oh right like didn't bouchard have a hat trick and a uh this is just too perfect a felger and maz listener replied to him and was like he scored two goals and uh his team lost and i was like ah so close almost yeah we love that shit okay uh shit we'll get to fuck let's give uh shana we promise we're gonna be like three more minutes i see that shana is on and waiting we do have to get to nathan mckinnon scoring two goals and then rocking brant clark in a very entertaining uh first round rematch last night yep avalanche king's game that was a fun watch which means credit to the avalanche they didn't allow the kings to control play it was a fun watch i disagree there were a couple of moments where the kings like second period there were a couple of moments where i was like these are my kings the penguin or the king scored a third of their goals shorthanded i would argue that's the definition of dictating play they said you know what we want to do right now play a man down that's where we're best and they did it yeah i still i think it's just a different kind of dictating play how many power play goals they give up that's not important yeah they did they did the classic score a shorthanded goal and then allow the power play goal that's my favorite sequence i mean it is especially funny because it's colorado whose biggest problem last year was our power play sucks they start off the season like damn our power play is fixed and then they were like oh wait not fully fixed you sound like a fucking avalanche fan there you think that the power play had problems last year for the avalanche yeah i don't think you know what a power play looks like i was talking to nathan mckinnon about this he was saying you know i was wondering we talked about this he says i don't think you know what you're seeing when you're look what just because it two minutes goes by and we don't score a goal is that what you think you think that scoring a goal on the power play is but oh my god you are way yeah watch the fucking game where we don't score on the power play the highlight of this game came in i believe it was the third period yeah third period when nathan mckinnon was begging brant clark for a fight and got it this one has a cool tail of the tape nathan mckinnon versus brant clark sean could you uh throw it up there all right there's the tail of the tape nathan mckinnon is always mad and brant clark is silly as hell brant clark is two inches taller than nathan mckinnon but this is a cool i like the tails of the tape brant clark is six two really yeah i like that's crazy brant clark is tip to tail doofy that's crazy i bet you brant clark is like two inches taller and 20 pounds lighter but that is my favorite thing in a tail of the tape they're both pounds yeah I mean there we go one's taller they're the same weight and I always want the like Pete and I are probably the same weight I'm not the only one that clocked it incredibly wrong like Brant Clark's energy screams I'm five foot nine oh yeah but he I mean I just know from watching him he's I thought he was like six three six four he's six two wow that's crazy yeah that the important tale of the tape is that Nathan McKinnon is always mad and Brant Clark is silly as hell this went I didn't think I'd ever see a Nathan McKinnon Brant Clark fight but it went how I thought it would go hit me Sean Nathan McKinnon is trying to fight Brant Clark and finally Brant Clark obliges watch my guy go in and ask for this one and McKinnon delivering the right hands down they go you that is true they're obsessed with throwing helmets so the joke that I made last night was like it's really disappointing to see that Nathan McKinnon has matured into a guy who throws his own helmet and a lot of abs fans took that as me being disappointed that Nathan McKinnon is immature and throws his helmet no ball knowers know Nathan McKinnon is immature and throws his own helmet and usually throws the opponent's helmet and throws it directly in their face. Threw Conor Garland's helmet at him. It was one of the funniest clips ever. So yeah, that rocks. That's electric. I do support like whimsy players. I feel like Brant Clark is really toeing the line of like whimsy derogatory. Yeah. So I don't hate that happening to him every once in a while. Yeah. I mean, I, I like some whimsy derogatory players too. Yeah. Well, we're still, I remain an enormous Jake Walden fan as I still try to figure out quite what that, what's going on with that man. But like, I know that if he got in certain fights, he'd get pummeled and I'd be like, that's probably how this should go sometimes. Sometimes you just need like a little heat check. Yeah. And that was a heat check for Brant Clark. But that's also a cool heat check for Brant Clark that he's like, just out here being ridiculous and gets his ass rocked by one of the best players in the league. Who's not really a fighter. And then the next game, I feel like he's going to show up to work. George Costanza style tomorrow. Like nothing happened. He's still going to be goofy as he ever fucking was not going to miss a beat. Chat pointed out. So after the game, McKinnon was asked about like why he fought Clark. And he basically said like 50, 50 split didn't like the hit that he, he put on a kill McCart earlier in the game. And he said a word to me that I didn't like. And so everybody of course is now doing like the, what was the word? There's some people doing it seriously. There's some people making jokes. I, I logged onto Twitter this morning and I was like, well, I heard, I heard the word was gluten. And then Twitter did that thing where you send a tweet and that it refreshes your feed. And it just brought up like a bunch of people making the same joke. And I immediately had to scramble to delete it. That's the worst feeling where you tweet something. And then it's like, Hey, just so you know, someone who's not that funny tweeted that an hour ago. And you're like, Hey, and I also hate that. Like now one of the prime features of, of Twitter is like the, you know, when you like buy a, a vacuum on the internet and then you refresh the page and all of the sidebar ads are vacuums. And you're like, I just fucking bought a vacuum. We were just, we were talking about this at home the other day. It was now it's like, if you, if you have a single tweet about a TV show or something and refresh your feed, every tweet on your for you page is about that TV show. And it's like, I am not, I am not a w a one layer, man, please give me my feedback. So horrible. So I guess like my feed for the next week is going to be like gluten jokes or Nathan McKinnon highlights. Yes. Shout out Eric Johnson. He scooped you bad. He's funny. He is funny. I got some, he had a tough time. I was going to say a little funny derogatory. Uh, on the opening night. Uh, I don't know. He called Brandon bussy, a busy boozy. He really got you. 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I need to embrace it because who, who's to say how much longer it will last. Um, Boone's lineup nitpicking worked against a fake team. Will it work against a real team? Who's to say? Not me. Hmm. I think, wait, Sean, are you, that's the shit I was trying to say. There's not a real team. It doesn't fucking matter. They're going to, they're going to crash and burn anyways. And Ben being that much closer to a world series will make that crash and burn feel that much better for me. I can't take any sort of victory lap when the not a real team that's being accused of being not a real team. Made the other team look like so wait, wait, wait, I know. I was calling the red Sox, not a real team. Like, yeah, I, the, yeah, Sean's playing at the Yankees also on a real team. Oh, I thought Sean was doing this moment. I thought Sean was doing the classic thing of like, so what? You beat my team. I'll say it. My team sucks. What's your excuse? I've done that a lot with the, I mean, the red Sox do suck, but the Yankees also suck. And so chargers, you do it. Maybe they're good now. Maybe they're fixed. Okay. Like maybe, maybe this is it. Maybe this is the start of something new, something exciting. I didn't even have to roll out all my superstitions. Okay. Like this is a big deal because I panicked. I pulled out my Yankee mug before game one. And that morning I'm like, I should put this back. I'm like, no bed omen. Now you have to have this every day. And I wore, I have a shirt. I've worn it for the last few playoff runs. I wash it every single day for every single game. And for game two, I'm like, I'm not wearing it. I'm not starting on this foot. There's going to be an every other day shirt this year. And it worked. So you know what? I feel great. I'm going to bring up something that Sean and I discussed off the show. We were both, I think a little surprised that you're a Yankees head. You've got some, yeah, we like you. You've got Mets energy. I would have assumed that you were a Mets fan. You seem like a good person. No. Yeah. You seem cool. Nope. Nope. I like my evil empire. No, I am with a Mets fan. So I do watch a lot of Mets baseball and yeah, he tried to say our dog was a Mets fan. And I'm like, you made her a Jets fan. That's enough suffering. Like let her be happy. So even the dogs have Yankee toys. Like I got a fresh Yankee hedgehog the other day. So this is big. You've, you've revealed yourself as a, a superstition person. How do you feel about the, the Sergey Bobrovsky discourse with him cucking Gavin McKenna? You know what? Let him do what he has to do. Normally, I would be like, let the kid have his moment. Wow. But I just feel like everything is going to get so blown out of proportion. And I think goalies are a rare breed. I feel like if this was any other position, like if this is like Mark Shifley and Tyler Sagan pulling their shit, like no, no, no, let the rookies cook. This is Sergey Borovsky. He's a goalie. I don't want to get in the goalies way. I don't want to piss them off. I don't want to send anything off on the wrong foot. I would just be like, if you have to go first, get out there, get out there, champ, do what you got to do, because we are going to need you. So let the goalies cook. That's the only exception. He already got like everything he wanted, though. I know. He already got. He got his contract. He got the contract. He got his number. He got. Hopefully he gets something nice. Like, is that like it's not watch worthy? It's not like, hey, I'm taking your number. Here's a watch. Here's something special. But like, buy the kid something. Take him out. Take him out for ice cream. Have a good time. You know, it's Toronto. Everything's going to be miserable all year. The total, the center of the universe, the everything. So. If you could do something, something nice for him, I feel like that would be ideal. Well, Gavin McKenna almost scored his first two goals of the season last year, but instead other guys on the team scored it. So pretty cool. The start that he's having. Very exciting. We will continue to monitor. That's not a joke about Gavin McKenna. That's a joke about people who are on almost scored a goal. Watch. Yeah, let's get videos. Let's get clips. Let's get tweets. Let's get it going. Okay. It's going to be bad because it's the Leafs. It's going to be bad because it's a big rookie. Put it together. It's going to be too much. Let's talk about the team that we can all agree is a championship caliber. The Pittsburgh Penguins. That shit was hilarious last night. The fact that after last season, when they were clearly a pumpkin, that they came back out and they were like, nope. Awesome. We haven't lost a step. Who cares what players we lost? Dubas absolutely cooked. Did he cook? What are the penguins? I don't know. I was very high on the penguins going into the playoffs last year, and then they made me look like an idiot. So maybe my taste and my opinion is wrong here, but they're in an interesting position because so much of their season still hinges on their aging core. And I expect nothing but greatness from Sidney Crosby, but Malkin's a little bit of a wild card. Letang. I mean, we all watched playoffs last year. Accelerate, regular season, like yikes. And then Eric Carlson who's to say what version of Eric Carlson, the penguins are going to get because last year was unbelievable, right? So that's such a wild card here. And then you add in these Kyle Dubas additions that are so they're so on brand, right? And then you see like Hendricks Lapierre scoring last night, you see Nick Robertson scoring and you're like, that's Kyle Dubas team. But I give him a lot of credit because he goes for these low risk players and these reclamation projects and they work out so well. They're a team that I feel like has a really wide range of outcomes for two reasons. It's it's the core is a wild card. The supporting cast is a wild card. Usually you have one certainty. Like you look at a team like the Bruins, right? And to me, they're always the ultimate wild card because they have such an elite core and they have three core players at each position. Like that's huge. It's a supporting cast. You don't know, but at least you have one element of certainty here. You don't, you have Crosby. That's it. So the fact that they came out flying last night and everything that made them special last year, that rush play the speed. All of it looked great. They were getting contributions up and down the lineup and they're missing a pretty important player in Ben Kindle too. I was so impressed with them and to do it against a team like the Flyers that stood them up so well. And you saw their trap game in the playoffs against this very opponent and saw, you know, what, what they made the penguins look like in that series. I think it's even more impressive. It's been a big week for penguins because they discovered the first new species of penguins in like over a hundred years earlier this week. Yeah. So huge week for penguins. We famously don't overreact to anything on this show, but through two days of the NHL season, is there anything that you are willing to overreact to based off of what you've seen? The Metro division actually cooked minus the penguins. Everyone comes into the season being like, wow, the Metro looks so competitive. It's so good. The devils could be good. Who knows if the Rangers are going to exist anymore? The blue jackets, they were in the thick of things last year, the flyers, the capitals look how great their off season was. And then you have the reigning Stanley cup champs. They come into the season. The Islanders ruined this for me. If they didn't score this goal, this would have gone so much better, but you have the flyers, the Rangers, the hurricanes all getting shut out. Islanders only get one on the board. And it's like, you know what? Metro division. That's it. The Atlantic is definitely taking those two wildcard spots. Ass ass division, trash division. You heard it here first, uh, Leo Carlson. I think I believe is currently, uh, penning a apology letter to flyers fans. Now for the ducks matching because he's like, yeah, he was like, Hey, sorry. He's been doing a bunch of writing. Shout out, uh, NHL. What's the hot for teacher initiative called hot for teacher. It's a song by Van Halen. Oh, okay. The hot for what are they calling it? You were combining hot for hockey and the teacher, that famous FX show that we love so much starring Nick Robertson or someone whose name sounds like that, right? Isn't that, isn't the Nick Robinson, the actor there. Yes. Yeah. Yup. Yup. Uh, anyway, that was all to set up flyers. Fans booed their team off the ice last night. They thought that the, maybe they were going to have Leo Carlson, uh, in the spirit of overreacting, are the flyers going to come back to earth from what they were last year? Or, I mean, we're excited that Martone's a year older. We're excited that Matt Bay Meechkov is 30 pounds lighter is what are the flyers going to be? Is it a simple way of asking? I think that they're going to build on what they did last year. Maybe, maybe it just doesn't happen until the second half of the season, right? Because that's what happened last year. Maybe that's their move. Start cold and then heat up when it matters most. But I, I like the commitment to the process. And I think that's really important because there were past seasons where they were close to the playoffs and we saw management sell. And then this summer you kind of see a contingent, a continuation of that because the players that they're going to go after and make these huge swings for our players that fit their timeline so perfectly. And they know that they have a deep prospect pool that they can afford to move draft picks and they know they need a top line center. So I feel like the vision is there. I'm curious what if anything they do on the fly in the season, because you know, we don't, we don't know what the NHL looks like anymore because everything changed so much this summer. And we saw way more trades with players. We generally wouldn't see on the market. And I think of moves like JJ Paterka and Dorofeev and these offer sheet candidates that got flipped like so much RFA talent or, you know, prime talent or almost in their prime. It's a different world. So how much movement do we actually see in the season? Or is it just going to be that the off seasons are going to be so much more wild. So if, if we do see the flyers do something this season, like what, what do they have up their sleeves? Because it does seem like they acknowledge what's missing and that's a number one center and how, if they can get that star forward, how it'll reset so much of the depth chart, but it does feel like even if they do nothing and just stay the course, which they've done before, it's not the worst thing in the world because you have really good franchise cornerstones in place. And you have a lot of players that if you develop the right way, it could be different speakers, right? And that's at the top with Mitkov who comes into the season in shape. We've heard a ton about it and you know, yes, some of it gets overblown. I think everything around him has, but also it makes sense. Like if he has more stamina, if he could be a little more consistent for longer shifts, that's going to be huge. And Martone has that star ability. I think he's someone that I know for our preview and you know, we're doing the contender checklist. He gets really overrated by Dom's model because it's based on such a small sample of play, he was great in, but I still think he has a high ceiling and I like guys like Kate's and Forrester. So it feels like they have some good building blocks in place. They should be in the mix. I don't know if they're guaranteed playoff team. And that's the thing when you go on the Cinderella run and you exceed expectations, all of a sudden the bar is higher than it might've been if you just stayed on your regular track and then anything that they screw up on is going to look like a massive disappointment. Like that could happen here. But I think as long as they're in the mix by game 84, right? Even if they just miss out, that's, that's the trajectory they should be on. If they fall to the bottom of the East, then you have a problem. Speaker 1: Can I, can I ask you a question? We were, we were talking about this before the show. Why haven't the Red Wings signed Simon Edmondson at this point? Like what is, what could possibly be the holdup there where they wouldn't just give him what they want based off of the vibes of that entire team right now? Like they should just, just pay that guy, get him on your roster and get back some of the stuff. Speaker 2: For different reasons. They should be where the ducks were with a Minchikov where they were like, we just have to sign this guy and we have to do it now. Shit. What do you want? Oh my God. That's too much money. Fine here. Like how weird is pizza? We were talking about for like, how has that not happened? Speaker 3: I don't know. Um, this organization, the pace in which they do things is absolutely mind blowing. Like you're, you're a national hockey league team. Speaker 2: You have a lot of experience being a national hockey league team. Okay. This is not some expansion franchise. This is, this is Bushley shit day after day from them to pick a general manager. And I understand they couldn't sign him before they had a GM, even though it should have been pretty obvious. That's your franchise cornerstone. I don't care if you feel like maybe he can't drive his own second pair. Maybe you have some questions about that. Oh, can we jump up to 9 million? What you do know is he's fantastic with cider. He helps cider be the best version of himself. And you have given cider so many crappy, salty, subpar partners over the years. And you put them together. And now cider is a top 10 defenseman in higher he's coming off a career year why do anything to risk that and i also think that he has more in the tank like if you're detroit do you want to see if he has a little bit more of an offensive punch sure right because that's something they are missing on the back end they need a defenseman who has a little bit more offensive pop and i think that could be in you know his potential like range of outcomes i know like kendra miller is a comp for him you go okay that could make sense if he could jump up and be a little bit more active it was tough to see down the stretch because he was dealing with injury but even if you have question marks on that you know he's really great defensively you know he could be on the hampus lindholm track that's a great track to be on it is ridiculous to want to bridge him like this is not someone you have question marks with like a nikitian if i'm nikitian i want the bridge deal because i want a chance to prove that i'm worth all of this and more on my next contract and if you're the canes you need to know if you get what he can handle and if he can play more than just a third pair role with edmonton there's no question at this point this is someone who can play in the top four you can keep up and compliment your top guy and then you'll see what he can do sign him now before costs go up even further and we know what the cap is going to look like in a couple years it's jumping up and what happens when it jumps up like not just the younger guys getting their pays which like they are this summer they're all getting paid they're all getting the bag it's the middle class it's the 30 year olds in unrestricted free agency you think of pro rough and how much that brought the bar up to two off seasons ago and you look at this summer some of the contracts that were handed out for defensemen if this is a core guy and now is younger and going into his prime he's going to be worth more than that nine million all of a sudden doesn't mean the same as nine million did a couple months ago even right before september 15th it's ridiculous to me there should be no questions asked here i would have wanted to give them nine nine million by eight years easy and it just feels like they are creating another situation another avoidable situation because they just don't move at a normal pace and it's gonna screw up the season more like the season's already okay we know that but you don't need to put yourself at an even bigger disadvantage on day one i mean i haven't given it a ton of serious thought but i i will throw it out there like is this the most embarrassing or like worst vibes attached to a team to start the season in like a non-problematic division than we can remember in recent history i mean this team shat its pants down the stretch last year missed the playoffs their captain has requested a trade and had his c stripped uh they fired their general manager didn't hire a replacement they're heading into the season as like the odds on worst team in the conference and now they have essentially not really a holdout but they're refusing to give a contract to one of their best young players and all of their fans hate the entire organization the entire leadership group and the ownership yeah chad is literally organizing a walkout at little caesar's arena as we speak i don't know if it's going to take but they have i'm going to say no i remember like spurs fans tried that for tottenham when they were not scoring at all and i don't think it actually happened so if it didn't happen there when they were oh my god they were scoreless for how many games it's it's not it's not going to happen with the red wings but it should they deserve it they've earned that because pete you're right the vibes are putrid i was going to say what what do you think man city's punishment is going to be i think this is going to be tied up in appeals for a couple years so we're going to punt that problem down the line oh that sucks i do i i don't want them to lose erling holland but if they give them like a point deduction i do want a bajillion no no we're not doing that city head aren't you i i am a city that's why you said that you fudged the numbers she fudged the numbers i i just really i i'm really distraught that i thought you were a good person at that's what i'm going to say yeah uh no no the yankees are not a good person no i'm not a good person i'm not a good person person i've been telling you guys bad guy uh do you think that dylan larkin's going to play another game for the detroit red wings he should okay i think as punishment i think sitting out no i like he should want to play i think it shows character on his part to play through all of this noise that he created him for himself let's be real but like still do what you can for this team because if you're larkin i understand him wanting out when eisenman was there i don't blame him for that i i know you could say like well the list and he really gave him no options all of that's true but i understand like if he wants to go to a team that actually does something to a team with the general manager that wants to win will pull out all the stops and when a new gm comes in like you do have to regroup a little bit and have conversations to see like are you still in the same place and it's tougher because they pick from within instead of bringing someone with some like huge proven track record that you're like you know what i i'm gonna let them cook a little bit here like you can't it's just a tough situation you're gonna have to do something about it but it's a tough situation um but if you don't play at all and yes he's hurt but how much better are you than the connor hellebuyck situation and maybe it's the team being like well we don't want him on the ice does that really serve your purpose here i feel like that just kills your leverage even more so i feel like they should want him out there because at the end of the day when he's playing and doing like at his best he's such an effective player and it should be like a reminder to the league of what he is also do you really want a guy that's rusty like that's another a 26 year old coming in rusty either like he's not old he's not cooked but it's a little bit different i feel like we're getting to this part of his career where it's like how much time you know if the ball's already rolling how long will it take you to keep up with it and especially like joining a new team with new systems will that be even tougher if you're not playing at all so i just don't think it helps anyone i think it just puts a bigger magnifying glass on the situation and that's the last thing that the red wings need you're gonna play without edmondson and larkin like what are we doing here that's literally just hunting the season away a lost year and it doesn't help anyone okay your rant and rants on the red wings today have been unbelievable but it is the beginning of the season and apologies we are going to ask you to play the hits if anybody knows anything about shayna they know that at the beginning of every hockey season a clip of shayna addressing the edmonton oilers goes viral could you give your state of the union for the oilers please yeah i'm a noted oilers hater if you ask any oilers fan when for years i'm sitting here going i want to see your team do better i want to see the best players in the world have an actual chance to win this year i feel a little bit different right like i'm watching the game the other night and it was chaos and it was everything i could want from an oilers game from an entertainment standpoint and i was just so frustrated and so angry seeing who they had to put on the top line why he was there in the first place and the babcock stuff is frustrating enough for me but this is like new level and then you go i'm gonna flip away you flip to the golden knights there's carter hart in that and i i watch hockey and i'm like why does the nhl hate women why do the edmonton oilers hate women and that's all i could think watching their game and there was a lot going on in their game this was your classic edmonton oilers you have tristan jari playing game one which what the hell are we thinking there if you're gonna have a three goalie system those goalies better be incredible because three goalie systems are bad for everyone i know anderson's hurt but it does seem like that's the plan that was at least the plan maybe game one changed things who's to say because if you go through last season if i remember correctly in 11 of 18 starts for jari he allowed three or more goals and this is the guy you're like you know what game one but say you're going to do a three goalie system and you're going to sacrifice ice time for your goalies and practice opportunities which is what's going to happen it's for this so mind-boggling there um the defense atrocious absolutely atrocious the goaltending atrocious they could not outscore their problems guess my bad proc couldn't fix the team on day one who's to say um what happens next i i listened to the show the other day and pd had a great point of like they are probably going to rocket up the standings and i think being in the pacific division is going to do a lot of heavy lifting there and then it's all going to fall apart and that is what i feel like is going to happen he's going to get so frustrated after this uh this loss here and you're going to see some changes made but it's going to wear on players but all i keep going back to is pete your original point of conor mcdavis should have to sign long term here and live with every decision that's been made because management is punting it to the players so the players have to face the music they are the front-facing ones they are proving all of this their stamp is on it right you should have to commit and the fact that he didn't i feel like it's kind of a cop-out so all elements of this are just extremely frustrating when i should just be mad watching them that they can't defend or that they can't get a reliable save um it's chaotic bed instead of chaotic good like stew skinner in that after years of mike smith like chaotic good that is what i want from the oilers this is not it i miss him i miss him i miss mike smith mike yeah yeah yeah you're never getting to mike smith and then i'm not going to get you're never getting to mike smith and then another mike smith but damn they they came a little close they came pretty close they tried to they tried to recreate mike smith in the aggregate yes exactly and i saw i uh i might be uh like piecing together different people's takes to make this but we talked yesterday about people were talking about jari and they're like oh well jari is just skinner 2.0 and we agree that no he's not skinner 2.0 because skinner is good or he is bad and jari is bad or he is hurt i will give you jari is jack campbell okay like Kind of insulting to Jack Campbell, but okay. Kind of insulting to Jack Campbell, but the, oh, something needs to be done about this right now. We don't care how much longer is on the contract that we somehow took on for some reason. Something has to be done. Because if this happens over the course of the first month of the season, like it did with Jack Campbell back in 2023, like, you know what happened? They fucking waved him and they threw him down in the minors and they were like, look, like the plan was him, was for him to buy Stuart Skinner time, but he's unplayable. And what we saw the other day from Tristan Jari is that he is unplayable. Who could have seen it coming? Yeah, he might just be broken. Like he might be broken and maybe he can be fixed, but probably not in the NHL. At least not right now. I don't know. Maybe it's an overreaction after one game, but like we head into this season, into game. One with a perception of Tristan Jari and who he is. And that's why the overreactions come. So like when people say don't overreact after game one, the overreaction typically comes from the way that you're already thinking things are existing. And so that's why I did want to ask you about Alexander Nikitian, because it seems like that is going to resolve itself or something's going to happen with Nikitian. Is it Nikitian or Nikitian? I always mix that up. I think you got it right the first time. Yeah. I've always said Nikitian. Nikitian. We'll ask Grock. Where would you like to see Nikitian go? And what do you think his ceiling is? Because he came into the league and everybody was like, this guy is going to be nasty. And I think you've seen it in flashes. But where is the ceiling and where would you like to see him go? Okay. The ceiling is tough to predict at this point because he has one season of NHL hockey under his belt. And obviously he has a track record before it. I. I'm not a prospect person. I don't study players track records. They come to the NHL. It's a clean slate for me. Okay. No judgment. I'll try to do my best to read, but I'm not going to pretend I know anything else. Um, but he came to the NHL and he did a good job. Like he was yes on the third pair for most of the season, especially when Slavin was back and everything was reset. He was very good in his role. He's physical. And I think that is relatively unique to have someone who can play physical game, but also doesn't have like complete and total stone hands. It is not someone from like 10 years ago. This is not the LA Kings winning in 2012 kind of, you know, physical shut down defenseman. I think that he can play with a little bit more pace and tempo. And I think we see a lot of defensemen step into the cane system and thrive, and obviously they go elsewhere and then you're like, were you good or was it the cane system? But I think we saw the difference of what this team looks like with true, you know, NHL caliber defenseman or top four caliber defenseman, the year to year difference the last two seasons of like what it looks like with a real blue line. But with him specifically. Like if I remember correctly, and I did this over the summer, I looked up his comps and there were a couple names that were pretty concerning. I want to say Jason Garrison was one of them and that was a red flag for me. But I also yeah, like I'm I'm trying to think off the top of my head like what other names were there, but they were all pretty concerning except for I think Braden McNabb was on there, which cool. And there was one other that I was like, I could see that archetype kind of fitting his game just in terms of like the value he brought. brings like through Dom's model, the comps go through, we look at the same age range, right? Like I think it's five, six months and six months. So it's like a year within their current age, their, you know, height, weight, the scoring stats, the ice time, the usage, and also their net ratings in that time. So they're five on five play. Like we see a lot of like impact comps and those were fine, but I obviously don't know what he looks like away from the canes. And that's going to be the big question here. And he's someone that's young enough that he can make sense on a contender. He could be on a fringe team. He could also go to a bottom feeder and make sense because he could fit their timeline too. I just don't know how great he would fit in that kind of setting. So hopefully it's a team that's more middle of the road or higher that he goes to. I feel like the blues are this like perfect fit though. And when I did my column over the summer, it's funny. Like I ran through some teams and they weren't on my radar. I kept thinking about how much money they've had tied up on defense. And now I think they should have been focusing on their forwards and blues fans were very upset with me for not including them. And it made me actually like go through the roster and really think about it. And the more I have, I'm like, you know, that could be the right fit. It feels like the timeline, the age range, and also Montgomery is a good defensive coach that I feel like that might be the best landing spot for him at this point. I just want to answer a question that Pete asked. He asked who Jason Garrison was. Jason Garrison is a football coach. He used to coach the Cowboys. He was seen as like kind of like a boy wonder type. Yeah. Okay. No, you said Garrison. Did I mess up a name? No, no, no, no. That was me. He's making a Jason Garrison joke. I didn't know who Jason Garrison was either. I'm like, wait, wait, did I have a tendency to do that? No, no, no. You did correctly. And I still think I absolutely cooked with that one. Wins all around. You asked earlier, I'll answer this question as well. You asked earlier why the NHL hates women. I could send you a 60 to 90 second audio book. I think that will answer your question perfectly. And I think that everybody will feel okay afterwards. How do you feel as a reader, as a fan of hockey, as a woman, and as a reader of romance fiction, how do you feel about the NHL's initiative project? I'm just calling anything that's bad now. What did I call the Taylor Swift output? How do you feel about the NHL's output in this area using real players? I can't call myself a fantasy, a romance reader. That's stolen valor. I hand up, first romance book I read, it was Heated Rivalry. And then I read through the whole series because if I see a book is going to be a show or a movie, I then have to go read the book first. I'm very annoying about that. And I would not watch the show until I finish the book. And I did the same with off-campus because I'm like, okay, let's do this. I'm going to do this. Let's see what this is about. But yeah, this is unbelievable. I don't know who thought of this because I don't read audio books. I don't listen to audio books, whatever the proper terminology would be. I'm not an audio book person. I would think even less so if it's 60 to 90 seconds. Are these hit clips for romance? Oh, what a reference. Really good. What are we doing here? And it's even more odd. I only heard one because you guys played it on the show yesterday. I also appreciate that we're talking about this because I did notice you said we're not talking about it. Yeah, we swore off it never again. So folks, get used to this or don't get used to this. Enjoy this while it lasts because we're never talking about it again. I do have a few more questions on it. Yeah, we're not done here. The hit clips reference is amazing, but hit clips was a thing that you'd buy and it was a play a little snippet of a song that you could wear. You could put it on your hip. It was like a gun for listening to a little bit of music. But the snippet of music that you heard was a chorus that was written and produced by Max Martin. Yeah, it was the most high quality. They were good. You could get it was a shot of the finest, finest liquor you could buy. This shit is. Yeah, the problem with this is well, the problem with hit clips is that it made you want more and you're like, fuck, this bullshit only gives me 10 seconds. The problem with the NHL thing is that you just wish that. I'm going to say my my internal data is saying women must not have been involved in this. I cannot fathom the idea of women being involved in this because it's so bad. First of all, the clip that you guys played to also had a woman narrating it. I feel like that's there should be some that women narrate. But also like, if you want to be trendy and get with the trends, you needed a male actor. To write like Christopher Brindley from Yes. From off campus, right? You have the actors who are Dean and Allie doing smut as as audio books. That's that's the shit you should be leaning into then if that's what you want to go with. But I don't understand tick tock length. Romance snippets. I also don't understand it when you saw how poorly everything went with the book talk situation with the Wemberg family. Like this feels like we're leaning into this. We're leaning now into parasocial relationships, which is exactly what we need to get away from because it's unhealthy for the players for the fans for everybody to have that with these players who consented to this. Is this just like they can use their likeness and image and it's fine. And I like I have a million questions, but it feels like they got everything wrong from this last year of why hockey grew so much. And I respect trying to lean into something that worked. But this is not how you do it. This is not how you do it at all. And it just shows you that. It shows they don't know how to market to women ever like the clothing they put out. That's pink. It's sparkly. There you go. You must like it. The stolen valor of the bedazzled jerseys, the glitter jerseys like I'm getting. I got so aggravated by seeing all of that. But this is next level because it makes literally no sense. No one was able to just promote heated rivalry last year when that was the moment. Right. Have the actors come drop a puck or even that they were looking for straight couples when we we were at an islander game last year and that played i think it was at the islander game last year and that played and uh a girl turned and kissed the guy next to her and then she turned and kissed the girl next to her and the whole place goes wild and it's like that that's it that's the fun like you see it how the pwhl has done it and they're leaning into it more like that that's it having rachel reed at games is important having jacob tierney at games is important um i get it the next book is critical of the nhl commissioner but i'm sure when heat of rivalry first dropped that's not something they knew of either they just saw this viral moment and then it's like okay here let's do celebrini doing stuff with the cast of off campus and let's allow off campus to do this the straight show and not heat of rivalry like that's where the issue was it is not that we need romance snippets that's that is not it just promote what already works and try to like do more polls i don't know do something talk to a single woman to try to figure out how to market to them and how to ride that wave into the season which they should be doing but don't come into it after i feel like shunning it last year and then come out with this literal shit it's a cousin of like the i don't know if you've heard the uh chris fleming bit of like people will always say like be yourself but be yourself means be yourself but like run it by us first you know like make sure it's something that like kind of works within our thing this is this there's been multiple cases and the um hollywood reporter thing of the doing celebrini with off campus versus heat of rivalry which again my understanding has been that uh i don't think they were going to have a harder time getting the heated rivalry people because the heated rivalry people are just bigger stars than even macklin celebrini but all the things that we've seen in the past are just bigger stars than even macklin celebrini but seen the nhl do in relation to heated rivalry and in relation is kind of in air quotes has been like we have a line that we will go to and the line that we will go to is the bruins selling tuna sandwiches and like doing things that have little allusions to it but like allusions to a sandwich that was in the show not like yeah holy fuck like like let's get some gay shit and bisexual shit in here is just in a place that nobody wants that has us thinking of the players and how they're kind of being if you've seen 30 rock they're kind of getting the seinfeld vision treatment where they're just like oh we're gonna like ai jerry seinfeld into every nbc show against his will because we have the rights to him and it ends up being bad nobody likes it the audience is insulted the people who are being used for it are like hey is this legal it's bad across the board yeah i mean the the nhl's idea or concept of separation of church and state is way off like there is a i think there is a real place for people who are horny and people who really like hockey and i think that there is it's it's worked really well together over the past like year and change i i think that the nhl needs to understand when and how to uh bring that within their walls and they've done a very bad job of identifying how and when to do that i know that this is like kind of how homophobia works but i think that if the nhl or whoever is making these decisions would like get whatever concerns they have about like embracing the quote-unquote gay thing if they watch the show and if they talk to people who love the show of course we were drawn to it because we were like oh there's a gay hockey show sign us the fuck up we want to see that but it's not that it's not something that people like solely because it is gay or solely because it has gay characters like the kip and uh scott storyline was relatable for a lot of people of any sort of relationship of like the like or of any sort of orientation of the like i think this is my person but i think it can't happen it was good storytelling there are a million fucking reasons why people loved heated rivalry so if the nhl could get out of their head that like by embracing uh heated rivalry they're signing up for or like putting on some sort of scary pride jersey they have in their head if they can get that out of their head there's there's so many smooth and easy ways to bridge the gap between these fans of heated rivalry and fans of the nhl yes yes absolutely and it's it's just marketing to straight women like i feel like the nhl they're like we have a fan base and if we if we're going to expand it at all past sorry the dogs are going wild no no all good no they're mad i also think that like within within the case of of hot for hockey straight women don't want that shit nobody wants that shit too like does anybody is anybody asking for this like again i am not the target audience because i i'm not a big romance reader i i have dipped my toe in this to it because i it's it's cool it's hip it's current i have to know like what what is this all about and then i liked some of it but i was not like let me go i read like um shit she wrote like beach read emily i'm blanking on her name someone will have it but like the people we meet on vacation like i read a bunch of her books too to be like do i like this and at the end of the day i'm like you read them in a day and i move on and i'm like but people do like that so there there is a market for it it just feels like this isn't it it feels like this is just creating a situation then it's gonna fail and they're gonna be like see look nobody wanted this nobody women don't actually want this women don't don't care if we market to them and it's like market correctly you you don't have a domestic abuse violence uh policy you don't have a sexual assault policy that we ever hear of you're allowing players back into the league who hate women you don't market to us in any way and then god forbid you show a pride jersey or something because it might rattle one or two people but this this is okay this is it it just makes no sense to me at all um i just don't i don't get what the point is i feel like this is just like such a misuse of time and assets to create these little clips with players in them that aren't even accurate like you said like the handedness thing like it doesn't really matter but it also does at the end of the day i just don't i literally don't understand and like please if you read romance and you like audiobooks too like do you want like tick tock length things about that i i don't know and if anyone has takes on that like i'd love to hear it and learn more but i still just at the end of the day just don't understand how this could ever be this like ever be that could ever be a thing it all leads us to the to the big question surrounding this whole thing which is who's jerking off to this yes yes that's what we need to know this is this is it this is the big question like how do we not have a nick mullen as um as tucker carlson who's jerking off to this drop i'll say it every time every time i see the snl one the the jokes are funny the impression is not good that tucker carlson yeah yeah i i laugh at some of the jokes but i'm like this would be so much funnier if they broke every rule they have and brought nick mullen on to do this and they'd have to cancel the show halfway through because you would go rogue it's a good question though nobody wants and usually like i see like fucking kelly clarkson said the other day that she's cool with ai and generative ai like people in any like hot button thing or anything that's being panned you're gonna find people who are like yeah you know what you're gonna hate me for this i think that shit's kind of rad there has not been anybody who has been like like i saw the uh the oilers put out a video explaining their new uh goal song and everybody's like why did you change one of the most fun goal songs in the league we loved that this is so lame why'd you do this there were a couple of people in there who are like fuck i'll admit it i was at the game the other night i kind of like this i guess i'm in the minority though like no one is doing that with this nobody is like i'll tell you what i listened to the summer i turned into hurricanes featuring uh seth jarvis and not a bad 45 seconds i mean they're not even getting people pretending they like it to like prove a point or to stand on their side of the aisle that is the most impressively hard thing to do in today's world is to not even get a person pretending to like something to prove a point and that industry plants yeah right they don't they don't apparently don't have any like we need some sort of like hockey influencer to be like this is great but even they're like no and it's it's disappointing too because like the idea of like the summer i turned gritty like i don't know i feel like the flyers could have made a sick tiktok about that right like something with zegras and gritty and it would have been hysterical to rip off the show like have them i don't want to spoil the show or the books because they are actually good but um you know like there's there's things to do references to pull like put them at a beach house let them see each other let gritty be swimming laps in the pool like there there's things to do to like you want to market to people that would be it and that would be honestly that would be awesome this is not that flyers need to be more protective of gritty too like i i saw the the connor mcdavid thing and i was like this is unbelievable like how can this be allowed this is the face of your league like he doesn't have any say and i don't want to be in some weird like i'm i'm married i don't want to be in some weird kind of suggestive romance thing uh once it gets to gritty i'm like you can't be doing lame shit with gritty and the flyers need to use protection with gritty yes because the stuff that the flyers put out with gritty because this was the fear when gritty first came when gritty first happened i was like this is gonna get shoved down our throats it's not gonna be funny after a week and it was shoved down our throats but mostly the gritty stuff hits so now that the nhl is doing this and doing lame stuff with gritty that's where it's a bridge too far that's right it's vanilla this is too vanilla for gritty like it's a good flavor though i don't sometimes but like you know you have vanilla ice cream straight up right like are you are you putting sprinkles on it are you putting a syrup are you putting something else on it you want a flavor to go with it or are you just getting vanilla plain like i'm gonna get vanilla i'm not even putting it in a cone i'm getting a plane like you don't want that nobody needs that you can pick some of the other flavors it's this is probably more marketing than anything vanilla bean ice cream you're like oh hell yeah vanilla yeah you're like that's vanilla yeah exactly i think vanilla is great vanilla is a flavor do you get a vanilla shake yeah vanilla ice cream plain good vanilla shake good like vanilla gets a bad rap it's just it's there it stands on its own and it is the best base for like every other thing so like i will say i'm gonna get a vanilla ice cream plain vanilla ice cream plain vanilla ice cream plain vanilla ice cream when people say shit is vanilla i think that is a but if you say it's the best base that's not you're not selling me on it i'm like okay so it's here but you can make it great you can elevate vanilla but even if you don't elevate vanilla it is still a high floor and i would not hold against vanilla that if that a lot of times if you have vanilla you're putting stuff in it because there is as pete said if you're planning on doing fixings and you're going to your local cold stone creamery wherever it may be i saw one of those recently they're yeah that blew my mind they're still here i'm shocked you're not doing that shit with chocolate like you're not doing chocolate with uh like butterfinger mixed in or chocolate you you want a but you want a vanilla base there for all the fixings no i don't no i actually do not i want something weird like i i don't really i haven't been to cold stone in a minute but even if i get like go to cartbell and you get chocolate ice cream like it's not just like i'm like all right here it is like i still want chocolate ice cream maybe oreo crumblies on it like i still need stuff there this is this has been a weird shana episode yeah it's really bookmarking with some horrible horrible vibes shana has lived long enough to see herself become the fucking weird person on uh what chaos which it was bound to happen eventually i don't know if we've ever had a guest no we've had a guest uh that i was gonna say i don't know if we've ever had a guest that the audience got angry and i don't know if we've at than they get at us but the one each time we've had uh mike ruiz from the levitard show i don't know what it is that man pops up and the chat is pissed lovely guy really nice guy they they get so mad i don't know what he's doing outside of the show but oh boy maybe it's the panthers stuff maybe that's just it like i feel like so many people have such a distaste for the panthers over the last couple seasons because you either love them or despise them i feel like nothing in between anymore that that just like it puts them off on the wrong foot to people but i don't know it could have been that he said he like wanted to throw brad marsh in into a wood chipper even though he was like a great panther that yeah yeah i uh that might do the trick i'll admit i wish the sharks weren't opening against the panthers that so the sharks and panthers opening that is a chocolate base with a bunch of chocolate fixings yes like it's it's too much there's too much uh protein there i need the sharks against like give me the sharks against the the preds or something like that i mean that that feels like no no no that that feels like the sharks are opening up against the panthers feels like a really cool like punk band like having a stadium tour where it's like this is not the venue for what i want out of this band it's yeah not it's not good for the the uh the sound or whatever like it's just it's not the right vibe i agree with that yeah this is that's a good take i don't know like i do like it though because it's like this cool measuring stick game like right off the bat and like obviously the panthers were not perfect in game one i think that that game stunk not great not great not great um but you know the late games have brought it so far so i i'm going to expect the same thing here um but i feel like it's a cool measuring stick game to be like hugo you you are a bunch of boys and you are going to play against a team of men and you might get your ass kicked but you're gonna learn from it and this is going to set you off on the right foot even if you absolutely eat shit and lose five nothing which i don't expect to happen um i do like it i like it's a good chance to see what the offense can do against a team that we know has defensive structure uh do we know who's playing in net i was just looking that up i was just looking that up i want to see if markstrom is playing that would be chaotic play the oh it's akira schmidt unconfirmed according to daily face off so yeah okay that could make sense but he's that's it that's still like i okay i'm higher on schmidt i think it's because i watched a lot of him with the devils and i was writing a lot about the devils like the year that they had a billion goalies in net because no one was healthy no one was good um i have been so back and forth on the markstrom of it all because on the one hand i'm like get him out of new jersey uh goaltending staff there don't know what goes on uh very important that sunny meta comes in and changes them uh and tries to rework that panthers have a very good foundation for goalies and have a lot of defensive structure and have all all the things you need in place to help markstrom get his game back but i do wonder like because he's older because he's so far removed from having like those great seasons i'm a little bit more concerned about it but i also look at uh akira schmidt and i'm like i could see him starting a lot of games and i'm like i could see him starting a lot of games here and actually like being able to take over the starters role in a year type thing like if he can like live up to his potential like he's very tall he's very good against um tips and deflections and i feel like we've seen him too like he got a little bit of a playoff sample and i was encouraged by it too when he was with the devils that i i'm very curious like what he could do here so i still think that would be fun but i think the markstrom of it all would be way more chaotic and way more fun against this sharks forward group that is so good she's got to watch out for that uh red line for akira schmidt that's true yep one time we went to a game and watched akira schmidt play the puck over the red line while uh there was a delayed penalty it was awesome he was trying to make a play loved it for him shayna thank you so much for coming on this was you this really ran the gamut we appreciate it of course always happy to join thanks for having me lots to chew on yeah to chew on bye shayna you can read shayna and the athletic or listen to her on the too many men podcast which drops episodes occasionally and sporadically love that stay on your toes yes got to stay on your toes a little update by the way uh max uh boltman had this an hour ago todd mcclellan said that dylan larkin is not playing the first two games of the season could be many more rest up pal get get your body right okay for adults with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms 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captain and two alternates or you could have three alternates so these teams that are doing multiple alternates or more than two alternates will be rotating their alternate captains this is i would say the less interesting of the alternate captain updates we're going to get to some more here but what do you make of these a's for the sharks i got one big thought give me yours darnell nurse is cool darnell nurse has to be the my hometown remix now with an a on it although michael misa with how crazy that hometown remix looks i i feel like this is a um kind of a there's like a three way tie for lifetime achievement award a with uh barclay goodrow tyler to foley and to a certain extent darnell nurse but i do think like darnell nurse is going to be a leader on that team so less so than the previous two but to foley and barclay goodrow are big time like you guys are old and you've kind of shepherded a lot of these younger players lifetime achievement award a what do you think of nurse getting the a over truba thanks probably the right call i think it's probably the right call yeah uh you're gonna play a bigger role in that blue line yeah i think better player has fared better more recently let's get to the blue jack oh yeah predators have four as well apparently according to chat so oh uh did they let me see where i had the predators i don't know if i counted them as is that new did they just announce this i i don't know that was according to chat but i think the most interesting one is the blue jackets yeah blue jackets announced i believe it was yesterday they're going to have five alternate captains which is uh that's the second highest in the nhl as you can see in this graphic is the captain of the alternate captains he's wearing an a again and he will be flanked as he is in this picture by uh charlie coyle matthew olivier who else we got in here sean monahan and cole sillinger yeah i tried to guess these yesterday and i got most of them you didn't get olivier only missed olivier which i think is fair um this is i think the clearest and most interesting case but because not giving warrenski the c is a reinforcement i would say that the blue jackets don't know what's going on there because he is such a clear clear and easy choice for the captaincy if you believe that he's going to be along be around long term i believe he is like the leader of that team he's the best player on that team doesn't always necessarily guarantee the captaincy but i feel like warrenski is the spokesperson of the blue jackets at this point so him not getting the captaincy at this point in time should be a bit like an extra layer of worry for blue jackets fans but i think you still just fucking give him the c even if you think you're going to lose him like in like two years yeah yeah i agree if you think you're going to lose him just try to keep him wouldn't making him captain i'm sure they've had conversations about this and maybe he said you know what i don't want all the attention of being a captain who'd we don't know what my commitment is and everything but i think the right move would be making zach warrenski captain of that team we all know that he is what drives that team anyway so i would have made him captain and then had four alternates which would make them like a bunch of other teams yes i i just have a boomer take and it's an all-encompassing take regarding this thing i will i was gonna do you want to save that i think it's is it going to be that there's too much of this shit i think that there needs to be there need they need to be able to be able to be able to they need to revert back to a hard and fast every team gets either three a's or they get one c and two a's and i don't i don't care about like home and road no you get three a's or you get one c and two a's and that's it so i was thinking about this i think we all feel it's gotten a little ridiculous the teams have so many a's it's very common now the predators are the eighth team with four alternates and the there are 10 teams a third of the nhl basically has at least four alternate captains that's crazy philip forsberg by the way ryan o'reilly stephen stamkos and jack drury wearing an a in uh nashville very good for him yeah very good for him we like that but nearly a third of the nhl has at least four alternate captains you don't like that i think i don't like that either i think it kind of makes sense to me that philip forsberg has at least four alternate captains and jack drury wearing an a in uh nashville very good for him yeah very good for him down how much it means and we joked about minnesota they had a million a couple of years ago yeah golden yes yes the the gophers college hockey college hockey what tells me that you can not do a million alternate captains is some of the teams that are still doing it the old-fashioned way the chicago blackhawks are running one captain in two alternates of course you could argue that's because who the fuck else are they going to give these letters to but if the chicago blackhawks who i'm a guy's guy which means guys that's a stat i care about how many guys do you have on your team which is like how many players are you like yeah that's a real ass player the blackhawks you you i and you want to have eight plus guys on your team blackhawks we think have like four or five guys so it's difficult so you would be it's a tough group to pull from how many guys you would actually give letters to but if the blackhawks are doing it the old-fashioned way you can do it the old-fashioned way make some tough decisions yeah i don't want like a homicide detective board with pins and yarn to determine and figure out which player is wearing a letter on which game like like the two tuesdays of every month when we're at home charlie coil is going to be the alternate captain of the club fuck off just tell me who the captain is or tell me who the three alternate captains are yes and what if i get that darnell nurse reverse retro and find that or i'm sorry hometown remix and find that oh in fact darnell nurse does not wear it there like when i was shopping for evan bouchard jerseys the other day it can't be in blue because he's gonna wear he's only gonna wear it when they're on the road so it will become a white jersey it's tough to keep track of i'm not super mad about it but i think like sean fucking sabers they're doing it the old-fashioned way three guys okay captain doleen assistant matthias assistant tage or alternate i should say yeah it uh too but you haven't even brought up the worst one yet okay wait uh are you going to say who has the most yeah that because i was going to ask pete that if you could uh hide the chat in case anyone answers it you tell me which team has the most alternate captains there is a team with five that's the columbus blue jackets but there is a team with six upside down julianne six alternate oilers no oilers have four though not great behavior six alternate captains uh i don't know give it to me brock besser zeeb bulliam philip ronick lenis carlson drew o'connor shout out alias petterson hell you can't have a third of your roster wearing a's you also you definitely can't have a third of your roster wearing a's when you're projected to be one of the worst teams in the national hockey league i mean they had a really good start but it's a tough look that's a tough look yeah i i do wonder with that like they are very specific about like these three are home these three are away like what thought if any goes into like why why is why is petterson a captain only on the road did you see how he played in his first road game fair enough stonks back up he could be available for the right price if anybody wants to take that on uh i think that and i'm like wait is it going to be three and three or is there going to be wait is there a way that you could have everybody do it if you have one person who wears it both times you would just have to rotate randomly and that would be absolute hell on the equipment manager yeah six is two six is obviously way too many but four is even pushing like i said make some tough decisions i love having booze and i love having booze and i love having booze and i love having he doesn't have to be he doesn't have to wear an a for the oilers it said some it says come on it's leadership training that's fine you can have leadership training you can be training to be a leader without getting the letter on your jersey that's why it should mean more when you actually have the letter on your jersey the training comes before the reward in my opinion so too many it's like it's like uh what zeev bullion wears an a on the road that guy's not allowed to speak up at home now like it's not allowed to speak up at home now it's not allowed to speak up at home now if he's if he's emerges as like the lead one of the leaders of the team then like it's he's going to be the leader regardless of where they're playing yeah i i remember when alternating captains was becoming more popular it was in like the early 2010s i want to say where they were like oh we have a captain early yeah yeah they did it they uh rotated chris kelly and david creche i believe where sabers did it chara was the captain bergeron was the alternate captain and then they rotated those two and and everyone was like, "Oh, Chris Kelly, huh?" rotated the sea did they not yeah with i mean that that's that's the most egregious case of all you can't have two captains i will allow i will allow five alternate captains before i allow a team to have two or multiple seas and then they both left both of them said we don't want to be here anymore ridiculous or dalien might be like the the first real captain we've had in like two decades how do you feel about buffalo famously so they're doing it the old-fashioned way now but they weren't last year they were rotating they did not replace alex tuck as a rotating alternate captain although he might have been a full-timer where i think samuelson and tage were probably passing around the second one he rotated it rotated his way all the way out of town yeah he just rolled i mean there's all the way down there's nobody else on that team who should be like i don't think there's any real especially with tuck on it's there's a clear a top three there in terms of the in the leadership department i think can't do benson yet no i don't want that we didn't talk about benson's mohawk yeah that guy is a real garbage eater and i love it so much i need bugs bunny asking him what he calls that haircut so badly no i think that i think that like um i feel like benson would be the elmer fudd to i was just gonna shoot him with a gun over and he would hunt that rabbit yep but yeah i absolutely do not want zach benson wearing a letter back like in the most endearing way possible like don't assign that guy with responsibilities that come with leadership let him be zach benson not yet oh chat says mallenstein would have been the choice to take the rotating a i forgot until today when i grabbed that thing that i have a fucking beck mallenstein sabers jersey and that that is still screen seen because he didn't go get a bag in the off season on unbelievable things shaken out very good for dave things shaken out not very good for arizona state head coach greg powers put on leave after the outdoor training thing where one of the players uh collapsed and was on life support fell into a coma we haven't given this story we've talked about this story constantly off the show i don't think we've done much of it here but this seems like a a part of this story that was always happening to the point where i was shocked yesterday to find out that greg powers wasn't on leave or wasn't fired he was still going in every day he was still coaching the team in which like under his leadership a player i don't want to say like a player like essentially has died under greg powers leadership he's still alive he's in a coma but like the um the mayich family their lawyer has said there's a zero percent chance of recovery so like this player has essentially died as a result of an extremely irresponsible and ridiculous training session pre-season so if like anybody's unaware of the story uh matthew mayich 21 years old it was a sixth round draft pick of the st louis blues uh it's his first year with asu and asu had a team workout on august 20th with a ex-us army green beret and mayich collapsed and uh did not receive water and was received inadequate medical treatment fell into a coma has not recovered will not recover according to the family lawyer and it just seems like every stage of this whole thing was mishandled to a disastrous degree from the the workout itself green beret apparently forgot that players would need water in the in this workout did you see the video of the workout yeah yeah not good in like 115 degree heat or something like that in arizona uh a 40 minutes into a 75 minute workout in the blazing heat without water just saying we didn't we didn't have water when i was doing this as a green beret well these are hockey players some of which are from canada like not used to 115 degree weather so like obviously that's horrible asu conducted an investigation a lot of the findings from their investigation were refuted by players on the team were like no this didn't happen this didn't happen uh they allege that powers downplayed the incident as it was happening after it happening saying like everything's going to be fine he's going to make a full recovery lying to the players and then the teams and then the teams and then the teams and then the teams and then the teams and then the university to get their coach removed from the team before they start their season on friday and them doing it two days before the season started and meanwhile powers had a press conference earlier this week read a statement like clear ed sheeran voice read a statement off of paper about him killing a player on the team and then refusing to answer questions about it just like unfathomable bullshit from asu to the point where like this is not like this is not fire the coach territory this is like fold the program or temporarily cancel the or cancel the season temporarily disband the program for like a year or two at the at most because this is how badly you fucked this up you killed a kid and it was completely avoidable it was completely avoidable if you are there just has to be a rule that you can't deprive a player of water during any sort of training anything and i was thinking of i've thought about it where like how could you make that rule where you know if someone has to run laps and they don't want to and they like just want to go hey i need a break like how could it be taken advantage of like it's still like a fucking five second break for someone to just go like this and then you would say okay back to work it's also just like human basic necessity yeah you're not giving a person water does not like make them tough or make them a better better hockey player you are denying a person's like core element to living the video if you see the video of the workout nothing is being gotten out of that the players are like their arms and their legs are just jelly they are cooked completely i don't know how to put it i don't know how to put it i don't know how far into it it was at this point but they can't do a push-up they can't do anything and they're just like okay push-ups okay down and they're like kind of doing like they're not good push-ups they're like the the fucking bodies don't work you're to the okay whatever your fucking message is of things are gonna be hard you're gonna have to work for it okay like received you're being a fucking tool by pushing it to this point and normally being a fucking tool just means you're an asshole but in this case someone might fucking die apparently according to the filing from the players powers told uh told the the rest of the team the day after that quote-unquote they were closer to making the frozen four because of the workout and matthew having pushed himself to the maximum like vile shit unfathomable shit yeah doing silver lining chat lovely so yeah i mean like this this whole story this whole story is just a disaster and everybody attached to it for from like a leadership standpoint within asu should never live this down like you have straight up you have blood on your hands and you should never live it down it's a disgrace to college hockey it's a disgrace to like coaching leadership all of the above it's horrible greg powers i don't think should ever ever work in hockey again should never be in the leadership position again should be like ashamed of himself the fact that he hasn't been fired already is i mean withstanding like the the legal ramifications of like investigative findings and stuff like disgrace yeah i mean i don't know what kind of homicide charge that could get or whether it's like negligent homicide or something like that but when you're saying like he shouldn't work in hockey again i'm like there are a few things i think he shouldn't be doing again or that he could be worried about not doing again at this point insane it's i guess again just completely avoidable and uh on a smaller note but this is this by the way so good job everyone brutal brutal brutal brutal uh shouts to uh matthew mayich and his family because christ almighty all right let's get to the slate yeah tough lead into the slate yeah but i just i really wanted to like have spoken on that sean you're an asu guy we didn't even how do you feel in yeah i mean uh i i've met greg powers several times like i've talked to him multiple times um and like prior to this i would have said i had a lot of respect for him uh because he was their club coach was like pretty foundational into uh turning this into like a division one program that had uh moderate success for such a new program and i i can give people a lot of sympathy for making mistakes in the moment um if you respond to it properly and And this guy clearly didn't. And, yeah, there's a lot of, like, the institutional failure on behalf of ASU and the athletic department, GM Graham Rossini, like, all of that stuff. But at the end of the day, like, the fact that there doesn't appear to be any sympathy from Greg Powers is, like, really disheartening. It's not even the right word, but, like, disturbing, I guess. So, like, yeah, it's unfortunate because I, like I said, had a lot of respect for that guy. And love that program and, like, what I think it could be and what it represents for the growth of hockey, all that stuff. What it's brought, like, it's the program that brought us Josh Doan. But none of that matters because, like you said, a kid's fucking dead. And it is, at the end of the day, it falls in the lap of Greg Powers and he's handled it like an asshole. So, yeah, see you never, I guess, at the end of the day is how I feel about it. Well put. It's a good point that you raised, Sean. It's very sad. We've spoken very glowingly about Arizona State hockey and what a good story it's been. And it's transitioned from club hockey to actually arriving. And I don't want Arizona State hockey to be fucked forever because of this, because of what leadership poorly did. But I don't know how there can be. But think about all, like, the sanctions that have been handed down by the NCAA and, like, other sports and hockey, too. Where, like, a recruiting violation or a, like, a cheating scandal within the program and the punishment that comes down as a result of those things, like, year-long punishments, years-long punishments, and how seriously that's taken. And you're telling me Arizona State's going to play a hockey game on Friday? That shit is crazy to me. Yeah. I mean, the only thing I'll say there is that, like, ultimately, I feel like that decision should be left to the players. Like, if the. Like, an important distinction is, like, none of these players have the right to transfer yet because Powers hasn't been fired. Like, you get. There's, I believe, a 15-day window that opens up once a new coach is named, and that hasn't actually happened yet. So it's to be seen, I guess, if these players are looking to leave. But if the players want to be playing, like, I think, like, ASU hockey is bigger than Greg Powers and should be. And so, like, I would just hate to see the players punished, the players that are still there, the players that, obviously. Like, the players that wrote the letter, for example. I'd hate to see them punished by not getting to play hockey simply because this guy did something terrible. Right. But it's also to be seen, like, the investigation they did clearly was not a good one. So who knows what extent there was other abuses of power and whatnot, just institutional failures on Powers and his coaching staff part. Like, prior to any of that, it's hard to know. But, yeah, I just. I would hate. Like, if the players are asking for Powers to be kicked out and they kick him out, and then to be like, you guys also don't get to play hockey, that would suck for me. Yeah, I have no interest in the players being punished as a result of whatever happens here. But I feel like best-case scenario should be, like, okay, there needs to be a more serious investigation into what happened here. While that investigation goes on, all of these players have a right to transfer and do have, like, free will to go and play wherever they want within the NCAA or elsewhere. And until further notice, the ASU program is under suspension or on hold or whatever, and the program doesn't exist and the players can go wherever they want. That's what I was going to say. I don't want Arizona State hockey to be fucked forever because of this, but I don't see how currently when the athletic trainers are still there, right? I don't fully know. Like, who else has been paid? Pardon my ignorance here. Powers and his staff were placed on leave. Oh, okay. Okay, because I was going to say, like, the athletic trainers, Powers is obviously who we're talking about right now, but the athletic trainers who responded so unbelievably poorly to that, where I think the procedure is you're supposed to have an ice bath for them and you're supposed to throw them in there and all the things that seemingly they didn't do, okay, you're unfit to be, like, you can't have a hockey program if you don't have trainers who can do that. I mean, athletic trainers, I know that athletic trainers get so mad when you call them trainers, athletic trainers who don't keep them safe. There's more things wrong than one coach being a tool here. It's an unsafe working environment. It shouldn't even be a question. Again, I'm not saying squash the program, but the program is clearly unfit to exist right now. So let the players go and get this thing running next year. Yeah, clarification. I did see this yesterday. It's not Powers entire staff that's been put on leave. I believe. I believe that his assistant, like, particularly his assistant coach has been promoted to interim coach while he's on leave. So, like, it's his guy who has taken over the team. Leah says that everybody, shout out our friend Leah from PHNX, everyone is still there except Powers. And somebody in chat also said that the players in their filing recommended a specific person to be, to take his place in the interim. Who? Shane Doe was one of the people that they recommended. Wow. So they did not choose who the players recommended. No. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't understand. It's also hard to explain how, like, fundamental, like, access to water is in Arizona. Like, it is, it's a law. Restaurants are not allowed to deny people water. Like, homeless people can go into any fast food restaurant and get water. The first time I ever visited Arizona, it was in the middle of the summer. Checked into the hotel. Like, the front desk agent, like, gave us multiple bottles of water and was like, you guys are from the Northeast. You need to be drinking. Like, it's such a fundamental part of, like, life in Arizona is making sure you are hydrated. And it's, like, such a, it's such a thing. And for that to be, like, deprived of somebody in this circumstance is just so unfathomable. Like, it is, it is borderline unlivable there in the summer as it is. And then to deny somebody. It's just like, yeah, it's, it's, uh, just all unbelievable and sad, obviously. Terrible. Unbelievable and sad is a good way of putting it, Sean. Okay, let's, uh, let's move on to the slate tonight where I believe we've got a four-gamer, right? Yup. No, eight-gamer. Eight. We got a rotating slate here. Oh! This is the, uh, the beauty of Sean's new, new creation. I might say that's a bug, not a feature. Well, it doesn't give you the whole picture right away. But it, it, it's all included. What if you have it wrap all the way down and then curve to the left? I mean, I, it's incredible work that Sean has done. But we, we'll, we'll do it. What if we have a little, like, uh, back in the day when we would write things on a piece of paper, you'd write on the bottom over and you would do a, you would point a, uh, you'd make a, an arrow into the corner that says, hey, you gotta flip the page to see more. It's an eight-gamer. I apologize. Beginning with the red-hot Philadelphia Flyers hitting the road. Maybe they'll play better there to, uh, play on, uh, an Indian burial ground. Mm-hmm. In New Jersey. That's at 7 p.m. Eastern in the United States and Canada. Uh, lightning visit the Rangers where the Rangers hope to be a good home team this season. They're not a very good road team so far, but we'll see. Buffalo Sabres in action visiting the Columbus Blue Jackets. That's a real what chaos teams bowl. Hoping for the best for both of those teams. Endearing and derogatory. It's a, this is a, uh, an, a doing it the old-fashioned way versus the 5A method. True. Yeah. Okay. Uh. Let the best captaincy situation win. Yup. I would say the Sabres captaincy situation was a little bit better. Wilds take on the Preds at 8 p.m. And if you could flip it, thank you, Sean. You have the Kraken taking on the Flames. And boy, oh boy. That is. That is a, aren't these the same team as, can't you just be one team together bowl. I'll note flames do it the old-fashioned way. You know, the Flames captain is, uh, backland. Yes. You know, the Flames assistant captains are requiring me to know three total Flames players. Uh, not including the goaltenders. It's gonna be a tough one for me. You'll be able to get one of them. Maybe Jonathan Uberdo. Jonathan Uberdo is right. Ooh. I would not get. The second one in a million years. Who is it? Zach Whitecloud. Okay. Yeah. Nope. That wasn't going to happen. Wasn't on my, uh, my proverbial Azul card for anyone who plays the game Azul. I'm into it. Blackhawks at the Mammoth at something called the Utah Mammoth. Mike Felger voice. That's at 9 30 p.m. Eastern United States and Canada. Sean, I can't really see. What do you have in the bubble below 9 30? Is that an ESPN logo? ESPN plus. ESPN plus. Oh, so it's. Yeah. I could see because I couldn't see the yellow. Of it. So it just looked like, uh, there was a marking and then a space ESPN plus. Very good. I don't think we have a Nash cast for that one. So you're just going to have to hang tight at 10 p.m. There was a dual tuck and this is a tough one because got to get eyes on the Oilers taken on the Canucks in a rematch of a Tuesday night, but then you've also got the Panthers and the Sharks at 10 p.m. I don't really need to see the Panthers tonight, but I need to see the Sharks. I want to see what this new look. What? Darnell nurses, San Jose sharks looks like this is going to be a good one. Uh, I do want to mention I tweeted about this last night for anybody in the good old United States of America the ESPN YouTube TV integration has made my life so much better oh yeah two games you get all of the NHL games outside of your local broadcast because the RSNs aren't covered on YouTube TV state of RSNs right now absolute disaster but if you are a person who likes to watch games across the league I do recommend getting YouTube TV and you don't have to have an ESPN subscription on top of that because it's fully integrated into YouTube TV if you get YouTube TV that includes ESPN you're going to get all the fucking games within YouTube cleanly presented easy to switch back and forth between you got quad boxes you can do a multi-view you can do a multi-view with the ESPN plus games and whatever game you might be watching on cable which is super helpful so so good so uh that is not a sponsor that last season the beginning the our conversation a few games in was here's why it's bad with ESPN we'll tell you when it's good right now it's good with ESPN yeah right like when we complain about shit that sucks you have to you have to give credit where credit is due when it is good YouTube TV has been really really awesome so far through two games and I just really hated the ESPN app and the way that it operated and also the way that the games looked on the ESPN app I felt like they were choppy and like rough half the time it's been smooth sailing through uh through two days so far the uh through the NHL season so highly recommend if you're interested meant to note for the uh 10 p.m Canucks and Oilers game the Oilers and Alec Regula are both on LTIR so Josh samansky has been recalled on an emergency basis maybe you're getting a little Josh samansky aka Finn looking for both love and a lineup spot tonight so that'll be fun to watch the slate is an A minus but a minus ain't bad there is let me see the seven I mean I I might have all eyes on Sabres and blue jackets you'll have your Matthew 's debut there that's really exciting Louis crevier recently extended congratulations to him nine o'clock I ain't doing I'm not fucking touching that flames cracking game but I will watch a little bit of Blackhawks and mammoth it's just 10 p.m there's too much shit on my screen too busy and be multi-viewing it but that's an A minus and this week has been an absolute A thank you to everybody who has watched the show this week participated in any of our silly yes Sean oh we have superchats to do what we do I just can't believe you didn't acknowledge what I had going on at the bottom there oh give me the the bottom let me see uh league leaders in points uh very good oh league leaders in points goals and assists that's amazing Evan Bouchard across the board look at the hand 18-way tie for for assists but he is alone with Evan Bouchard representing those 18 players he is one of the 18. I I like that Sean's just like kind of secretly cooking I I cannot believe I looked at that I assumed that was like a DJ here's uh here's what I want you to do I did that yeah yeah uh very good work Sean thank you yeah great job buddy all right let's do some super chats from BG mung bean R.I.P my annoying Rat King Clarky yeah he's done uh Evan Bouchard's heart candidacy says turns out you can change your username once every two weeks two weeks so I really hope Bouchard doesn't do anything to make a fool of me in that time again it's it's it is his heart to lose Renee this ought to be good says Mookie Betts curse you brought this on yourselves fair Renee says Sean the Dodgers would love to have you listen to me listen to me and look me in the eyes when I say this I'd rather die I'd rather die but I want to do it I want us to do a the Dodgers game at some point I would go to a Dodgers game and root for whoever they're playing unless it's the New York Yankees in which case I'd root for the meteor oh Sean I love her she's like a Martian swagger Sloss says the alternate Captain bit in the rundown deserves a tip yeah felt good about that one Stephanie says Sean stepping up the graphic game this season has me hyped AF NGL yeah I need to shout out Sean uh figuring out some real fun maneuvers with when he shows videos how he can place us in different boxes very good real real real good Frankie smoke says under 9-11-01 uh-oh guy who bowled a 300 or the Robertson family pass Agatha says 14 pens with points and only one for Sid cross washed amazing feeling before we come back to third period lost curse hoping for one more for DJ's sake Frankie smoke says I need Felger to have never heard of the Islanders yeah well he doesn't know what something is it usually does pretty well Superman says congrats to Claire Thompson on her retirement to be a doctor also pop bass being a pwhl fan is awesome hell yeah Stephanie Mills says please tell my queen Shana she's never had a wrong opinion in her life tough episode to have that cannot tell a lie I am sorry uh Buna duchess all right says hot for hockey feels intentionally bad to justify throwing up their hands and saying we tried and continuing with business as usual yeah I don't know who brought it up but uh maybe the NHL is doing uh the producers here where they're like intentionally tanking but who asked them to try like in this regard well we we did ask them to try we asked them to acknowledge certain things and they're they're maybe they did it in a way that they're like look what happens when we try yeah but like if you Ryan talking about if that's your idea of trying I think that's the bigger problem give a good faith effort yeah Bartez Battalion says I'm just stirkin it right now and by it let's just say I mean my Igor very good I did see a good uh who up Tristan they Jari that was really good yeah uh unlike Tristan Jari Renee says Pete make vanilla great again no that is a correct read vanilla is a flavor vanilla is a good flavor and when you call something vanilla you're saying that it's good Alexa says missed the stream yesterday and we were the only team that didn't clinch the wild card go Braves and here's to beating the Phillies tonight go birds all right uh Matt friend or foe says painfully vanilla and equally vanilla I don't know I don't like the energy behind yeah well I was gonna you can't you don't get you don't have the right to be offended by that if you're gonna defend vanilla but it's attached to the word painfully yeah and if vanilla is straight we can admit no no disrespect to straight people straight people uh are often more boring than others that's fair shall we say it's straight people who aren't embracing heated rivalry with the NHL it's you know it's just because I don't want the straight mob coming for me that's because it's the most common doesn't mean it's not awesome it's still still really good no being straight has its awesome moments oh well don't give it that uh yeah Reeves says thank you as always for making this a safe space for women's hockey fans and giving people like Shayna a platform yourself your she yeah platform was in air quotes I mean I do like the idea of uh platforming and book book ending the show with uh telling telling a chat to go themselves yeah yes Shayna is always welcome Shayna's the best uh Shearer says St Louis should get a compensation pick if they lose this player I think they're a bigger yeah I was gonna say yeah that's the it's it's a good hockey thought I'm not slagging you for that uh but definitely other things on the brain there Gabi says this toxic culture stop starts at the bottom and it follows the players up to the NHL it's yeah I mean I was gonna say during all that conversation a smaller part of this but it did does lead to this is just that that like cool mindset is still there of the like you're good like hockey is your life this is the most important thing and everything like it's just so lame more so and then it can lead to somebody dying is like okay we've got a couple of reasons to not be like that anymore more so I'm just like thinking like why do you need to train a a hockey player like a green beret like there are things that you can pull out of a green beret training like I I would think more like mental lines of thinking or just kind of the way that you approach your work but like two entirely different jobs that have entirely different training approaches or should so very weird mindset to be like we're training you exactly like a green beret Beth C says on a better note the arena Foundation is a real and except is uh real and accepting donations another thing the NHL could promote thank you Rachel Jacob and Brendan uh Shearer says Powers was more likely told to not say anything to the press in regards situation so be more likely uh if it would more likely be the University Sports Club Department especially if attorneys are involved yeah I did see I saw the video that went viral of the reporter grilling impressing Greg Powers and he wasn't saying anything and the reporter was really fucking going after him uh i understand the emotion there and i understand being like fucking say something for yourself explain how this is okay but i also was like you can press this guy all you want right but he cannot and he's not going to say anything so he should he should say that he's given the current investigation i'm not allowed to say that he shouldn't be there in the first place yeah and it's just the way that he the way that he carried himself in that presser was like the question that i remember was like uh you preach accountability well how have you been accountable in this process and he just said a lot of ways yeah and they were like you want to elaborate on that he's like no horrible bad way to carry yourself yeah if you can't say anything there you should not be there uh bart has battalion says kraken versus flames who want me bull again pass fatima says from a liverpool supporter boo man city i can't believe liverpool as well but sorry um little interesting note before we end the show gary betman went on a sportsnet show today and uh said that he thinks that uh no trade clauses have gotten past what they were originally intended to be so something to keep an eye on yes i agree with the elliot freeman thing though which is that as long as no trade clauses exist they will be abused by general managers which are the people who give the no trade clauses to them so if you want to get rid if if you think that no trade clauses have gotten a little far the owners have to negotiate that into the next cba because again if you're fucking going to buy this cup of coffee and it's 350 and they say hey uh do you want it for three dollars yeah i'm doing that thing and that's what no trade clause i can get the thing a little cheaper yeah sure let me do that uh we have another super chat yes from hey kid yeah you that had a little bit of second van halen reference i was getting a little jump there though oh hey who said that baby how you been uh good luck on your bar exam says hey kid yeah you to alex the lion 81 good luck to anyone doing any exams uh did you see claire thompson is retiring from hockey to complete her medical degree i did i heard about it on a show that fucking bangs yeah you say it earlier yeah it was super one of the super chats okay yeah if you're not listening during the super chats yeah no no no you can ignore the super chats but like i'm reading uh so shut out claire thompson i only brought that up because i wanted to make the joke i want grinders not doctors yes yeah uh someone said dj is right i don't know about that what about all right appreciate everybody we will talk to you if there's another surprise if one of these guys eventually gets traded maybe you'll hear from us but otherwise you know where to find us on the socials and stuff it's been a great week appreciate you love you thanks to 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