The Worst 2026 Fantasy Football Picks in Every Round

Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy football show, my name is Danny Hyphen, so I am still joined in person by Danny Kelly and Claire Coralbeck. We're still in Los Angeles, baby. We're still here. Today we are going over. Maybe they're leaving here or no. Maybe. Okay. Maybe. That's going to live in a hotel forever. We're going over the worst picks in every round today. We're following up the best picks in every round with the worst picks in every round. The people that we're just really not looking to draft. Because you tell people who to take but those people can be taken and maybe it's more important to tell you who to avoid and what mistakes to avoid. So we're just going to go over and be like, uh, basically who's giving us the egg in each round. We're not saying never take these people, but if it's like, I'm not sure getting a real good deal is our least favorite pick at cost, right as the fantasy people like to say, right? And there's no right way to determine the definition of what our least favorite pick is other than if we love you and you're asking us for advice on your team and then we're like, how to go and you send your draft back and we see these people. We're a little bit like, if your entire lineup comprised of these people, we'd be upset with you. Yes. We'll just be a fun way to do it. We should do that. You'll probably be fucking win. And then they probably just go undefeated. So yeah, we're going to do that. And I also want to remind people that we have in season episodes. We do Sunday night recaps. We do Monday waivers. So during the season, you got to add, you know, a lot of times during the season, like, you know, a few different waiver picks can kind of determine the entire season. The fantasy season arguably starts after week one and you could argue that what you do over the waiver, however, the course of the season is more important than your draft. 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Going over the worst picks in each round, it's not like there's any bad picks, but you're grading on a curve. Right. So by the way, the list where you're using average draft position based on we're doing fantasy pros, right? This is like a collection of ADPs across the internet. So this is like a compilation of that. It's like half point per reception, but that's kind of the same thing as full point per reception. It doesn't change the rankings that much, honestly. And so it's part, you know, it's Yahoo, it's fantasy pros, it's sleepers, it's like an amalgamation. It's an amalgamation. Amalgamation. Amalgamation. A comp, whatever. It's a bunch of stuff mixed together. My question for you too, if we're starting here at Round 1, I have one question for you both. I think we're all going to say Jonathan Taylor, is that right? Are you not? I think I am. I had Jonathan Taylor. I didn't know I was doing it. I just figured. My question is, is there any other bad pick in the first round? I don't think there's a bad pick. No, sorry. Is there any other pick that you think is even in contention for worse pick other than Jonathan Taylor? Or is every other pick a like a two thumbs up? Maybe CDLAM. CDLAM at 10. Yeah. CDLAM is weird because I wouldn't be shocked at all, CDLAM just leads the NFL in every receiving category. It's hard to pick like against the number one wide receiver on maybe the best offense in the NFL. Justin Johnson, if Kyler doesn't quit. I think, but the CDLAM is interesting because last year we didn't see him post elite numbers. He's actually only had one season with, with truly elite numbers. And now George Pickens, I think, complicates the picture and like how much is he going to be utilized? You arguably, arguably, might be just better overall at being a receiver. So I don't know. I think to me, that's like kind of the risk. Obviously, Justin Jefferson is in the first round on this ADP at number 12. We don't know how he's going to mesh with Kyler Murray. Assuming Justin Jefferson can really get back to elite numbers with Kyler Murray, where Kyler Murray could make Justin Jefferson just great instead of elite, and then you'd probably still be disappointed. So that's probably the one that makes me nervous. It's like, Justin Jefferson's great in real life, but there's a reason we've been touting taking Kyler Murray as a quarterback instead of just Justin Jefferson. But Jonathan Taylor, again, to me, it's really simple. The reason I had Jonathan Taylor is it's just the discrepancy at how many points he scores and wins versus losses is like a story. Scott Barrett has talked about this at fantasy points. It's like Derek Henry and Jonathan Taylor, they're basically one of the best fantasy players of all time when they win. It's like 24 points per game almost. And then it losses. It's like less than half that. And so if you think the Ravens are going to be good, which I do, Derek Henry is a great pick. My fear is that if the Colts are not as good as they were in the first half of the season, you're looking at, OK, well, if the Colts win seven games, you might have 10 really bad games, scripture, Jonathan Taylor. So that's my concern, where it wouldn't be weird if he had a healthy season was disappointing. Whereas the other people in the first round, if they were healthy, it'd be weird if they had a weird season. I agree. Yeah. I think it's just he just feels to me like there's a chance of all the first round or so he's going to be the guy that I think is frustrating to have on your team because the Colts are just I just don't believe in them truly that they are as good as they were last year started the last season. We talked about this a bunch. Taylor is not going to score three touchdowns every other game like he did last year. He had a hat trick of hat trick. It's just crazy. He had three games with three touchdowns in the four games, but that being said, I mean, maybe the best pure runner in the NFL. Awesome player. It's a tale of two halves because if you just if somebody's just kind of showing up to a draft and they just pull up what happened last year, he's the number two running back in fantasy is right behind McCaffrey. You're like, wow, 20 points a game like this guy's amazing. But once you look at after Daniel Jones went down, he was like a top 20 guy. Yeah. It was a complete. He was just like a league average running back and I know Daniel Jones is back, but like the Achilles, Michael Pittman's gone. That's offense was historically good last year, like 2007 Patriots good. 2007 Patriots good. So if it just becomes an average offense, Jonathan Taylor probably becomes an average first round or maybe even probably below that. I don't mean to be Debbie Downer on the Colts because I want them to be good. I'm just afraid. Everyone's like, Oh, Jackson Dart for the Giants can't make it through a season. Daniel Jones has had one healthy season basically in since COVID. So the idea that well, he's back from the Achilles, there's a lot of other ways the man can get hurt. You don't evade something. The Colts started seven and one and then in Jonathan Taylor was the best player in fantasy. The Colts probably would need to be seven and one again for Jonathan Taylor to be the best one. So it's like, what about round two? And again, just to go through the players and round two. So there's Devon A. Chen from Miami, Chase Brown, they're running back for the bangles. Ash and Gen T for the Raiders who we should talk about because he has an ankle issue. I would say he's disqualified. He's disqualified because you shouldn't take Ash and Gen T in round two. Not at 15th overall. No, we're going to average draft position and again, that's like kind of including from before he got hurt. So I would wait till the end of round two at least to take Gen T if not later. Omer and Hampton for the charge is running back. Ken Walker running back for the Chief Star, Ken running back for the Ravens. Josh Allen for the Bills is going 19th on average. AJ Brown for the Patriots is going 20th, Drake London for that Falcons is going 21st, Brock Bowers on the Raiders, Tyden George Pickens received for the Cowboys, Nico Collins for the Texans. DK, who's your least favorite pick in round two? It pains me to do this because I love him, but Devon H. Ann feels like a very risky pick this time. That's what I had to do. I know that I'm sure you put London, but I think H. Ann at 13, it's very high, losing Mike McDaniel now having Malik Wallace and just not knowing what that offense is going to look like. It is strange because there is a world where H. Ann is really good and again, even, maybe the Dolphins offense is even a little better than you expect or the defense is so bad that he should, again, there's a world where H. Ann's actually the leading receiver on the team. Right. So he could have like a Cardinals last year at Tray McBride where H. Ann has some crazy fantasy season, but banking on that feels a little insane. Yeah. And the alternative, like, they're literally the favorite to just have the worst record in the NFL. I was going to say, how often is one of the best players in fantasy on the worst team in the NFL? It's a, it's, it's one of those where it's like the post draft clarity when the Dolphins are terrible. Especially when they're back. Yeah. You feel, you feel kind of dull. And it's one of those things, too, where you say, oh, they're going to be trailing a lot. So therefore, they might be passing a lot and maybe he's more involved in the passing game than he has in previous years. But he had 85 targets last year. Do we think he's going to have 85 again this year? That's the key. And the other thing to keep in mind with this is when you look at teams, players on good teams, when they're scoring a lot of points, there's more possessions. There's more plays. Yeah. I'm worried about the amount of plays that the Dolphins are going to run. I think they're going to be a slow offense. I think they're not going to run very many plays because they're not going to get a ton of first downs. So that is my worry is there's just not going to be the volume to make him an elite, elite fantasy player. I still think he's great. Obviously, I love him. He's one of my favorite players in the NFL. We'll stop. But I just worried about this environment. Would you take him? So we have HN later at basically the end of round two where all these concerns started to be outweighed when it's like Devon HN or George Pickens. I'm like, OK, I'll take him there. Yeah. But there's a huge difference between the 13th pick and the 23rd pick basically. I, and we did this in our draft. I'm generally looking at Chase Brown, Hampton, Kenneth Walker, Henry, much, much more than HN, just because of the offensive environment, like Brown is in the, with the bangles. I think Hampton, with the chargers, Kenneth Walker, with the cheese. I think really what it comes down to and maybe my favorite fantasy analysis Craig has had is like, with receiver, does it feel like a miracle when they catch a pass? And for running back, does it feel like a miracle when they get to the red zone? And there's a chance. Like a miracle when they get a first down. Yeah. Put together like three first downs like I just don't like three and out punt and we'd be like five it's gonna suck watching. - Team has no wide receivers. I don't know how they're gonna score. - Have we done that in a minute? Is it worth just reminding? I mean, dolphins are tanking, and I don't feel bad sense. - Yeah. - And I never rate it away waddled. - Teams don't tank. - Eric's not coming back. - Their receivers are rookies like Caleb Douglas, they have Chris Bell, they have Malik Washington and Jalen Tolbert. That's it. - I mean, Jalen Tolbert is, is he the highest draft to play? He's the third on pick who's pretty disappointing in Dallas. Malik Washington's a six round who's gonna start. Caleb Douglas, is that a rookie fourth rounder? - And then, I mean Chris Bell. - Chris Bell. - But yeah. - Say again? - I think Douglas was in the third round. - He was a third round? - Yeah, so I mean, this is, it's preposterous. - Well, I mean, yeah, they're, I mean, if you look at what the dolphins are doing, maybe tanking is not the correct word, it's table resetting, but basically resetting the roster, trying to get their cap in order, they have so much dead cap right now. It's crazy. - They're just like, it's like a guard with a lot of credit card dead, who's like, I'm not gonna go out this weekend because I can't, I just can't spend $200 on drinks this weekend. They literally build almost the entire first team all pro offense last year with the cap hits. That's all, basically how much money the dolphins are spending on players that are no longer on the team. - Yeah. - With Tuha and Tyrake and speaking of Tuha, that's why I kinda had Drake London here. And it's weird because - You'd rather have HN at 13 than Drake London at 21. - Maybe that's wrong. It's weird because every game that penic, Michael Penix plays a quarterback with Drake London. I think Drake London's gonna be elite and maybe better than the first round of Severs. - We saw last year. - My question to you is, do you wanna spend a second round pick because when Michael Penix rushing back from the ACL to take the week one job from Tuha 'cause Michael Penix is getting the chance to play. - 'Cause it was a disaster. - Do you feel like Penix is gonna play 17 games? 'Cause I feel like Penix is gonna play. - Probably not. - He'll look good. Drake London look good. But the moment Drake London goes, or sorry, Michael Penix gets any kind of issue, they're probably gonna like, you know. - Go back to Tuha. - Cautious 'cause it's his third ACL tear and the next one's his career. So then it's like Tuha's playing and Tuha is the first person to lose a one man quarterback competition. - Or drag straight in. - Yeah, but we're also proud of him. You know, the comments, the people are calling him on Instagram. - With a heart. - Did you see that? - One of the odds that there's another guy with the same name as Tuha man. - You have to be crazy. - Tuha posted a photo of himself in the Falcon's uniform with his hands up. - On Instagram. - On Instagram and it says for the A, with a salute emoji, and right below it, the same exact username Tuha man says, we're so proud of you, you got this heart. - It's starting to get a little bit. - Yeah. - It's kind of a bummer, to be honest. - Look, the burner thing, do you guys have burners? - I don't. - Do you? - Yeah, I do. - But I only-- - My favorite thing about Craig. - I do have a burner. - You're trying to find it. I'm not ashamed of it. All I do is get out of this. - I've got a small bowl. - I just bitch about it. - People are going to find it for sure. - Go find it. I'm not hiding anything on there. But I get it, having to switch back and forth, even on Instagram. I have, I'm like the rewatchable's Instagram, the talent Instagram, fantasy my own. - Yeah. - You're always toggling back and forth. I kind of do understand getting it wrong, but it is deeply embarrassing. (laughing) - Also, deeply. - Having to comment, like-- - Did he delete it? - We're so proud of you. - Yes, which is worse. - It's worse. - Oh, you don't leave it. - You don't leave it, you can't leave it up. - You're right. - You absolutely can't leave it up. - Kevin Durant responded to the burner thing with just then absolutely being sane in his own name, was actually a great response. He was like, "You know what, you're right. "I'll just do it for my own again." - We need a word for this when you actually on the comment with your burner. - Yeah, you do. - I don't know what it is. - Emails to ring a fancy football gmail.com if you want to know-- - Stolen out. - What if you're something like that? - Yeah, we need a term for when you accidentally burn yourself, basically. But we need a better word than like the burner or self burn. We need something better than that. - Like a self-docs, I don't know. - Yeah. - Talks. - Yeah. - Please emails to ring a ring. - Oh, also go find Craig's burner. - But yeah, I, again, come up. - Yeah, please find, if email not the numbering fantasy, if you can find Craig's burner, I've actually been curious. - I'll just kill and start a new one. You'll never find me. - To be clear, if Michael Penix plays 17 games, Drake London is going underrated, I'm just kind of late. - Yeah, yeah. - And Penix get hurt. - Well, because you look at this, like I'd rather have George Pickens or Nico Collins or A.J. Brown. All the guys are around. - I just, I don't know. - It's actually kind of surprising. London is maintained kind of where he is and drafts. - I also think, I think what you get to a certain point in the off season, rankings just don't change. - I agree with that. People don't-- - Yeah, it's-- - You get to, like, 18-p. - Late August, like, once it's like past August 25th, people are like, "Yeah, yeah, it is what it is." - Like, it's hard to watch too, and be like, "Oh, I'm going to drop them like two rounds." - Like, you shouldn't. - Okay, round three, we have the trademark bride that tied in from the Cardinals. Chris Olave, receiver from the Saints. Kyron Williams, running back from the round. - Yucky round. - Jeremiah Love, running back on the Cardinals. Malik Neighbors, receiver for the Giants, Javante Williams, running back from the Cowboys. Breeze Hall, running back for the Jets. Javante Smith, receiver for the Eagles, and Rashee Rice, receiver for the Chiefs. Greg, who's your least favorite player in this? - There's two more, right? - Oh, God. Oh, sorry. Oh, Josh Jacobs, running back from the Packers. I mean, that's just like-- - He's off the board. - He's not counting him, and that's off the board. Safe Flowers, receiver for the Ravens and Travis H.N. They're running back for the Saints. - I mean, this is a real poo-poo platter here. We have-- I mean, you could-- - Later for you to get in my love with a high ankle. I could offer you Malik Neighbors, talking about how his body's still not right. Or I could offer you safe flowers. It doesn't score touchdowns. And was talking about watching himself on some of the clips that he's seen online. He's like, whoa. I was surprised I was moving like that. I sure don't feel-- I'm paraphrasing now. He's like, I sure don't feel like I'm 100% or something like that. - Yeah, this is why we're lower on neighbors. - Yeah. - This is why you guys always-- I'm a Debbie Downer, but-- - We need a wet blanket. - That's my mind. - Yeah. - When there's like a pre-student video of a guy running, and they're like, oh, my God, he's back to 100%. And it's just object permanence. It's not different than a toddler dropping so you have a bathtub, and just looking over the edge and being amazed that it still exists. You're just-- you forgot about him. It's like, Alan Pierce goes back to practice, and like, well, look at his calves. One is atrophy. They're not even the same size. He's not going to be a great NFL runner. - He's a link that are out. - He's a link of those calves. You're like Johnny drama. - Look at those calves. - When you get those calves. - Victory. - No, but I just-- literally, your brain does not talk to your legs the same way for-- there's a period of time between you're physically able to ramp up, which takes time. When your brain is like putting a governor on it, like a go-cart, it just-- I don't think neighbors is a good pick here, and that's why he's probably going to go on the top 24. - I think he is probably the worst pick I think in this round now, to me. - I-- - I'm playing week one. - I find it hard because he is a-- maybe a poor man's version of like a Christian McCaffrey, because Christian McCaffrey hasn't practiced in weeks. But if he's on the field this year, and we've seen this year's in-- year in and year out-- - We still think this is a hot track. - When he's on the field, no. I don't think so. - He is hurt. - Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know what to believe, but if Christian McCaffrey gets a $5 million raise in the next six days, then he's probably-- he's totally fine. - Regardless, even if he was playing and practicing right now, he's still one of the higher vol-- like volatility players, in the sense that he's either going to win you your league or he's going to be the most annoying player because you're drafting him so high. - He had four and-- - I do think-- - Touches last season led the NFL to-- - Right. I don't think-- - Yeah. - And this round, because I do think if he is healthy, he is going to be a league winning type player. - Yeah, but-- - It's worth the risk in other words. - Oh, even so. - Yeah. - At this spot, in round three, I think that's worth the pick, because-- and again, this goes back to what's your strategy. Are you just trying to not get last? Maybe that don't pick him. But if you're trying to win your fucking league, this guy gives you an ability to do that in the third round. He has literally, I think over the last three years, the highest target rate of any receiver in the NFL. I mean, yeah. - Didn't you just say neighbors was your favorite pick in this round yesterday? - No. - I think so. - You said Kyron Williams. Am I having a stroke? Did you not say it was neighbors? - She writes. - Oh, or she writes. Sorry, the other guy who had knee surgery-- - She writes is playing practicing in full. I'm sure enough. - I do, but I do understand. - And Patrick Mahomes is his quarterback. - Good point. - So-- - What do you say about Dart? - He's not Patrick Mahomes. - Only literally. - [laughs] - Every way. - So I would just slightly quibble with that because I do think the upside is so fantastic. My other pick was Z-Flower. - Yeah, and I think that we've talked about him at Nazia at this point. He just doesn't score touchdowns. He doesn't get targets in the red zone. - No. - Doesn't get targets in the end zone. - He gets elite targets in the middle of the field. Some of the best in the NFL, but he has the same amount of red zone targets the last two seasons as Alan was hard. So-- - I mean, 18 end zone targets in three seasons, same as Xavier LeGat. - It's hard for guys his size to score like 10-12 touchdowns, and you're kind of hoping that these people in this range can score 10-12 touchdowns. - So it limits the ceiling. - It has to be the best season of his career. - Right. - Like there's no choice. - It would have to be like an outlier season. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - Malik neighbors have Malik neighbors who are healthy. It doesn't have to be an outlier. An average Malik neighbor season is 10-12 touchdowns. - Z-Flower did have a lot of times he was tackled into the goal line, but it's kind of like Dallas got it where it's like four touchdowns, five, four, three, three, four, 11. And you're kind of just hoping it's the 11 year. My question is, I had Jeremiah Love the running back for the Cardinals. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So that's another one, yeah. Coming on him, 'cause I love him as a player, he's an incredible running back. I love him coming to the draft. The Cardinals took him too high, whatever. And again, I just strike one. He's a rookie. I think rookie running backs are usually overdrafted just because there's too much hype and I think it's underrated how much they won't contribute in the passing game. I strike two. I just think Cardinals are an awful team. Same thing as the Dolphins. In strike three, high ankle sprints are such a tough injury. My question is, do you think Mike LeFler, brother of Matt, had coach of the Cardinals, giving Jeremiah Love like 14 touches in the preseason first half? Is that a sign that they're going to actually give Jeremiah Love a lot of work and he doesn't care? 'Cause I interpreted it initially as, well, whatever they had planned from now, the moment he has any kind of flare up, they're going to have to dial it back. They'll probably have to put him on a touch, like a limited thing. And I had already thought they were going to have to like limit his stuff this season. But now I'm like, okay, what if it's not that deep and they're like, well, when he's medically cleared, he's going to be the bell cow, because they took him third. And the 14 touches, it's because they gave me a lot of touches. Is there any world I'm wrong about that? Wait, what? - Basically, is Jeremiah Love, what if-- - That's the fucking question. - That was a long question. Can you just summarize it? - Is Michael Flurr giving Jeremiah Love a ton of touches in the preseason? Meaning he actually will have a ton of touches in the regular season? - Yeah, I see. - That's not that deep. - Although it was stupid, I think. I do think that he is-- Jeremiah Love were healthy. I do think he would be like one of the best picks in this round. And-- - If he hadn't gotten an eight-- - If he hadn't gotten an ankle injury, I do feel as though he's just gonna get the ball a lot. James Conner-- - I think I agree with that. - Yeah. - It's basically just going to be Tyler Algera and Jeremiah Love. And even if it's a 70/30 split, I'm like-- - Even if it's 65/35, I still think he's gonna-- - I think he's gonna hit the ball a lot. - Yeah. - And if they're gonna throw the ball to him a lot, and it was just reported this morning that he's 50/50 to play week one, which I hate. - That's what I'm asking, 'cause it's like, James Conner's not a factor. Trey Benson is basically-- He's gonna miss the entire season. - He's on IR. - Yeah. - So it's actually-- - Conner's on IR too, right? - So it's just Jeremiah Love and Tyler Algera. - Yes. - It's so stupid when you're like, "Well, John, I saw Jeremiah Love walk up the stairs "of a plane with a pizza." So he's fine. But yeah, the ankle-- I just don't wanna go out of high ankle spraying on my team. - I do agree. I wonder if there is a point, or if you don't like it really sharply, and he starts falling, 'cause everyone's-- - He's in round four. - Yeah. - I'll take him. I'll take him there. - Yes. - He's had like three weeks to recover again. That's not that much. But sometimes people will just play the next week with a high ankle and battle through the season. If he is gonna have like close to a month to recover, it's still not great. But if he falls enough, I might take him. - That's the thing. And there's a league I'm in where he fell after 50, and I was like, "Okay, now I'm like, oh my God." - Yeah, that's like-- - 'Cause I like DJ Moore, but I'm gonna take him out. - He's like, "Sit him week one, who gives a fuck?" "Sit him week, sit him two weeks." You're the cardinals. Make him, let him be healthy. - Yeah, okay, so I had him as the-- Not counting just Jacob's. I had Jeremiah Love as the worst pick in this round, but solely 'cause he's literally injured. - Yeah, I wouldn't take him in a third probably. - No, I would not. - So that, I think that's fair. - I just imagine setting a lineup for week one, or you're like, "I need to replace my running back." - Yeah, yeah, I know that God. Okay, round four. Cam Skataboo, running back from the New York Giants, T.H. Higgins receiver for the Bengals, Lamar Jackson, quarterback for the Ravens, Ted O'Roe and McMillan receiver for the Panthers, Ameka Bukka receiver for the Buckeneers, who's also doing with the toe injury that they won't tell us if it's turf toe or not. - Oh no, Todd Bolson, they said day-to-day or week-to-week. - Oh thank God. - That's-- - That's kind of sick, I like that. If I was a coach, I'd be that way. If I was a head coach, I also would be like, day-to-day, week-to-week, month-a-month, times not a fixed construct. Aladdin Maconkey receiver for the Chargers. I think I said Colson Lovelin Titan for the Bears. Garrett Wilson receiver for the Jets. DeAndre Swift, running back for the Bears. Quincheon Judd gets running back for the Browns. Jalen Waddle, receiver for the Broncos and Bucky Irving. Running back for the Buckeneers. DK, who's your least favorite pick in this round? - I actually like this round a lot. I like almost every player in this round. The one guy that kind of circled as someone I'm just not excited to draft, I probably won't be drafting ever, is Quincheon Juddkins. It's not that I don't like him. It's basically the same argument as Devon A. Chan, which is, I just don't trust this offense to have a lot of possessions and run a lot of plays and being in the position to score a lot of points. I especially don't like Cleveland weather late in the season. I don't want to have to deal with that. I think Quincheon Juddkins is awesome. I actually had this in a real draft the other day where he was falling and he was sitting there still and I still was just like, I don't want to do it. I'm not doing it. I think I picked on a receiver instead. I just like the receivers more in this area, Abouka, Lad, Garrett Wilson, Swift, I like more. There's other guys in this range that I like a lot more. - I had Juddkins too. He's a really good player, but strike one. Do you want to watch the Cleveland rounds? - Strike two. - Next year, I'm going to be all over it. - Strike two. Do you want to watch the show in Watson? Strike three. Quincheon Juddkins also coming off a broken leg last year. - Right, that's the other thing. - The injury. - That's fine. It's a massive question mark. So you're kind of hoping that the legs are covered, the Browns offense, again, every defense has come early. - It's like a party. - There's so many things that need to go right. - Tell me one thing that's going right. - Right. - He's good. I don't know if I guess he's looking healthy, but like quarterback Mass, offensive line Mass, the offense in general is going to be a Mass. What am I excited about? I mean, he averaged three and a half yards of carry last year. Like, he looked good watching him on, like, with your eyes. He basically scored like seven touchdowns in 10 games last year and that helped him. If he doesn't do that, it's rough. - Also, it's a Sean Watson is a Mass and every defense, every week, every defense is going into Cleveland and saying, well, we're just going to not let Juddkins get yards and we're going to make the Sean Watson. - Make him one dimensional. - Yeah. - So, yeah, this is a guy you don't want to watch. - I guess Juddkins. - Okay. That was easy. Round five. We have David Montgomery running back for the Texans, DG Moore receiver for the Bills. Tyler Warren, the tight end for the Colts, Drake May. Quarterback for the Patriots, Joe Burrow for the Bangles, Luther Burden, receiver Craig DeMuse for the Bears, Terry McCluren, receiver for Washington, Travion Henderson on the Patriots, Devonte Adams, receiver for the Rams, Gigerian Price, the rookie running back on the Seahawks, Basel Tut and running back for the Jags and James Williams receiver for the Lions, DK, who's the worst pick in round five? - So, I think, I wrote down Travion Henderson for the Patriots. I think it's mainly just because this is more of a real rotation with Ramondra Stevenson than I think a lot of the other running backs in this area. He actually had only 45%, Henderson only had like 45% of the snaps last year and Ramondra was 60%. Now, Henderson did outscore Ramondrae last year. It was kind of dependent on big plays and touchdowns and catches. - Mostly dependent on that. - So, that worries me a little bit. The other guy that I really circle in this range is Joe Burrow, who I think, I mean, it's mainly just because he doesn't run. He's not really a runner. I think he's probably not going to scramble all that much. So, he kind of dependent on him having 40 touchdowns to really pay off where you're getting him here. I would rather just wait for another guy later. So, I would probably say just strategically, I don't like Joe Burrow in this round. - Burrow is great, but he's getting drafted. It's hard for Burrow to do better than being like the fourth best quarterback. And you're basically betting that he's not really as burrow healthy, but the Bengals offense has to stay elite. You're betting on, like, he has to leave the league in some stuff. - 40 touchdowns. - You're like a staffer. He's 100 yards. - Yeah. - Yeah, he's not allowed to have any issues with the offense. But also, if the Bengals do the Joe Burrow and two and lose the first two games again, I'm like, last year where they actually didn't and then he got hurt. I had Trivian Hederson too, though. - Me as well. - Did you really? We're kind of in lockstep. - Yeah, wow. It's almost like we talked to each other. It's the same thing. He's going ahead of Ramondrae. It was one of the worst blocking running backs last year. Ramondrae is one of the best. And I just think Ramondrae is going to get the goal. And also, Ramondrae is a better receiver than people for him. - Ramondrae is underrated. - Yeah. - He's really underrated. - It's because he's going to play. - I kind of think it's just because he's slow. - Yeah. But he's not. He has actually a lot of explosive plays. - I feel like, oh, you think so? I feel like I don't see him as like a guy who can really get out on the outside and run back. - I think that's the misconception with him. Maybe he's not the fastest guy, but I think he does create quite a few big plays. I mean, he's not as explosive as Henderson by any means. - I just think round five for Henderson. Like, I took Henderson in the ringer league draft, but I got him two rounds later. I just think round five is kind of high. - I agree. I agree. It just feels too high. - He's good, but it's just, it's fantasy brain. Henderson's explosive and they're like upside. What if Ramondra gets hurt? - He had 12 touches a game last year, Henderson. - With the part. - That's like you're really hoping those are big plays. - And the problem with the 12 touches, again, if there's no real great analytics for this in public facing, but it's, if a running back is not correctly setting up his blocks to hit the home runs, coaches get frustrated. So Henderson's a home run hitter, but like the kind of home run hitter that hits like, your batting average is like 200. - Yeah. - So it, there's a lot of strikeouts, which is frustrating for my brain. - Do you not think that- - For context? Sorry, real quick. For context, that's, that was 33rd among running backs last year. - 12 touches a game. - 12 touches a game. - Do you not think he can improve? - Of course he can improve, but it's like, he's a smaller guy. We joked about it, but how small is the nameplate on Henderson's jersey, and we're joking about it a bit. But why? It's because his jersey's smaller. It's because he had a different font on the client. - He couldn't fit it. - He needs a different cut of jersey. - Oh, and his name has a lot of letters. - His name is a lot of letters. - Yeah, but he's not a big guy. - His letter has had the normal plates. - It's because the cut of, he needed a different cut of jersey. That was the real answer. - He's petite. - It's hard for Mario Chested. - Yeah, basically, of course he can improve in those things, but I think this ranking is implying he already has, sure. - Right, I think this is pricing him as if he's going to be the dominant lead back, I would say. - And I think you need Vermont to get hurt for that. - So round six, Jaden Daniels for Washington. Jalen hurts the quarterback for the Eagles. Roman Dunes, a court receiver for the Bears. Tucker Kraft, tight end coming off the 20-seal for the Packers, Christian Watson, receiver for the Packers. Mike Evans now in the 49ers. Jalen Warren, the running back for the Steelers, Parker Washington, receiver darling of the offseason of the Jaguars, and Harold Fanon Jr., tight end for the Browns. I'm Roger Stevenson for the running, who we were just talking about for the Patriots. Sam Laporta, tight end of the Lions, who has fallen because he's hip injury and Caleb Williams caught back for the Bears. So we loved Watson Evans and Parker Washington in this round, but Dick Usual's favorite player in this round. - He never asks me. - Okay, so, well, when you're phoning the lap, I was looking up the draft. I was looking up the right track. - I didn't know you were doing it. No one knows what you're doing. I just, I didn't know. - You're just going to say I'm not going to talk to Craig the rest of the show because you looked at his phone. - This habit from last time. - You're on Twitter every show. - Yeah, he's true. - Well, fun. Who's the worst player in this round? - Spun it towards you. I think it's the tight ends in general. - Yeah. - I think it's Kraft, Fanon and Laporta. - I had the same answer. I had Fanon and then Laporta. I think Kraft is, he's a wild card. I don't really know what to do with that. - Kraft, as much as I love Tucker Kraft, I think ACL thing, I'm still a little worried about that. Just, this is like that middle tier of tight ends, that kind of suck you in there, like the sirens when you think they could be Tremac Bride, but they won't. - Right. - They'll wait two rounds later and get the exact same production. - Right. - And so there's so many other good players in this round. - So just get a joy of Johnson. - So we're about to be named. - To want Johnson. - Don Schultz, any of these guys that could have a higher floor, I'm, yeah, I'm worried about the tight ends. I think Fanon. - It hits around later, I'd rather just do that. - Yeah. - I actually, I agree with that because part of me is wondering if Penix could get in the ball, but if Penix gets hurt, then I'm like, "Compets is probably gonna lead all types in catch. "Titons in catch is every game too, it plays." I had Fanon too, 'cause it's the same brown thing. Fanon too, I should think Harold Fanon, and I know I keep saying this, but if he was in New England, I'm like, there was a 10% Hall of Fame outcome for Harold Fanon. He's incredible, but holy shit. Like, to show him Watson has, I think he's like forgotten how to throw a football. Like, his football work is incredible. - He's like a broken golf swing. - Yes. - He's like borderline yips, and I just keep thinking about that when I'm like looking at Harold Fanon, and as Dika, you keep pointing out, the Browns do not have an indoor game, the final nine games of the year. - It does look like the Sean's throwing with the wrong hand. - Or something. - It's very odd. 'Cause you know what, it's like he's holding the ball so long that it's like going at it's trajectory, I've never seen it. - It's very weird. - Like if your friend threw the car keys at you that way, you'd kind of be like, "What the fuck was that?" He said, "Enough of quarterback." - Yeah, I agree. I didn't expect that. - You know the sound effect, like the horn that goes, "Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow." Every time he throws, I feel like feel that in my head. - Okay. - What does it sound like? - I fucked up. - You nailed that, I thought it was great. - That was good. - Oh really, okay. - I thought your beans are casting. - No, no, I actually thought you hit those octaves, right? - You dropped your voice each time. - Wow, wow, wow, wow, that was bad. - No, I think his was good. - Yeah, yeah. - This is better. - Okay. - Round seven. - God, I don't even know how to pick. - Round seven is kind of gross. - Round seven is where I, all of my biases just come together. It's Kyle Pitts who is the villain of the podcast and the single most disappointing prospect since we've been covering football. - This is a mess. - Then there's Marvin Harrison Jr., who's the other most disappointing NFL prospect since we've been covering football. And we also kind of have grown to just be angry at. There's Colonel Tate, who was already like the overdrafted, number one receiver this year and number four, pick in the real draft. But like literally, did he finish with no catches in the preseason? - I think on six targets. - So I'm like, man, even just one would have made me feel good. - Right. - Like just one, Rico Dattle, who's like, man, you're gonna take Rico Dattle on the Steelers. Like that just makes me upset. Brian Tom's Jr., who we literally decided in the rewatchables last year on the season that Brian Tom's Jr. was the most frustrating player to have drafted in fantasy all last year. - He ruined, he ruined my year. - And then there's Jonathan Brooks, the running back for the Panthers, who literally has nine carries in two seasons and has two ACL tears in one. - It's your nemesis RJ Harvey, who you don't like. We have DK Metcalf, who's kind of a difficult player to pick. We have Tony Pollard, who's just kind of sitting there. You have a couple of quarterbacks Herbert, Deck Prescott and then Trevor Lawrence. It's an interesting group. - Are we, is there a world where you should just be buying a dip on all these players, or is this just a sign that like at this point, you should actually just be looking to quarterback? - My selection was Tony Pollard as the worst pick because I can envision scenarios with almost every other player on this list where a breakout occurs. And that's what I'm looking for at this round. Like, Colonel Tate was the fourth pick in the draft. It's very possible that like, okay, cool. He wasn't the preseason didn't work out. It's the preseason. - It's like Jamar Chase. Like, oh, he's not good with the lines in the ball. I'm like, he's pretty fucking. He could be awesome immediately and I'd be like, of course. That was stupid for me to think otherwise. Brian Thomas, I could see bouncing back. Marvin Harrison Jr. has like legit upside, despite, you know, everything that's happened. I think RJ Harvey does have upside. Tony Pollard is just like sitting there as a incredibly milk toast pick that inspires zero confidence on an offense. I don't think he's gonna score. - And they might use Tajay Spears more this year. - I'm just kind of like, he's probably fine. I don't think he'll kill you, but he doesn't move me at all. I do feel like Tony Pollard had more juice. This like the preseason than I really thought he had left. - And then the run game was the only thing that actually looked good in the offense so far. But yeah. - He's more explosive than I thought, honestly. And I, that's the only thing in the back of my mind. - There was a time when I watched Tony Pollard look like one of the best running. That last season on the Cowboys. - Right, before he broke his ankle. - Before he broke his leg was, he was electric, yeah. He was one of my favorite players to watch. - If you look at his stats, he basically has, he's like Mike Evans. He basically has exactly 1,000 yards every season and like six touchdowns are not like Mike Evans. But he basically has 1,000 yards and six touchdowns every year. Which I'm like, okay. - So you put Pollard, I put Kyle Pitts just because of the, I fell for it again, award type deal. I'm just like, I'm not. It's truly when he's there and I'm on the board, I'm just like, so you'd rather have anybody else on this list than him in this round. - I think so. - Wow. - I think so. Just because it's, we talked about the offense, we talked about what to expect. We don't know what to expect. They could be the worst. They could be sneaky. Might be one of the worst teams in NFL. - I just think, I hate how, I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over. But the Delta in what's gonna, we always look at the averages. He finished the number seven title, the week to week variance in the Falcons when Michael Penix plays in anyone else. When Penix plays Drake London might be a top three for us, but when, if two, it does play any games, Kyle Pitts is gonna be like, I think he's gonna get two design targets a quarter. Like the amount of plays, Kevin's defense, he's gonna run that are gonna be like, get Kyle Pitts the ball immediately and just let him do yards after that. - They might put him in a quarterback. - We don't know. - So Kyle Pitts is such a weird player. But also, when Penix is playing, I'm like, I don't know. I don't think Penix and Pitts has ever been particularly great together. So it's a funny pick. - So what did you have? - I literally couldn't pick. 'Cause I was like, I hate all the techs. - But I think the answer's Kyle Pitts. - He's like, I couldn't take it one. - I agree with the decay. This is not like, this is not expert financial fiduciary advice. This is emotionally, I am not enough of a man to take Kyle Pitts and it failed again. Like, I can't handle it. Like, I literally, if this can't-- - You're just gonna can't handle it. - Burns me again. I will have so much self-hatred that I literally need to avoid this. - I think he's low enough now. I'm like, I hate tight enough the board. He's fine. It's not that bad. Last year he was like that. - This one's more emotional. - Like, I, the ringer fantasy football league. Like, it's like, oh, he averages out to whatever bullshit. He went six consecutive weeks without getting like five fucking points in a game. - Yeah. - And then I cut him and then he had 40. - Sure. - Anyway. - This one's, this is an emotional one more than the most logical one. - I think for me. - This is the last time we'll talk about this man. Sorry, I have one last thing in this round. - Sure. - What are the chances that Marvin Harrison Jr. He's like the most important player in fantasy football this year. - It's, he's among the top five. If you had to build out that group, he's in the top five. - Where are we exposed? (laughing) Exactly. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What's the hole in the down part of his life? We really haven't even considered that he's a great pick. You haven't even thought about it. - It's been on the periphery of my radar. Yeah, look, right around here, the guys around him, like we said, D.K. Metcalf. It's like, what is his ceiling? Cornel Tate, you have guys like Cortland Sutton and Alec Pierce. When I look at those names, I'm like, yeah, why not take a shot on Marvin Harrison Jr. at this point? - You know the scene from "Goodfellas" when Danero is smoking the cigarette and the guy comes in, he knows he's gonna kill him. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then his eyebrow just clicks up a little bit. - Getting you down. - That's how, that's like the feeling I kind of get, but I'm like, I'm coming up in the seventh, eighth round or whatever and Marvin Harrison is still there and I'm like, and I'm like pulling a drag on that cigarette and I'm like, fuck, I might take it. (laughing) - Oh, fuck, I think I'm gonna take it. - Oh, fuck, I think I'm gonna take him. - Uh, I don't do that. - Dan, and, and, and, and, and. - It's telling that none of us even considered him for worse pick. - Yeah. - I don't hate him as much as I hate cow pits. Marvin, I'm still just a little disappointed and confused, but I don't know, cow pits can burn us too. He's still 20, he's younger. - Same age as he is. - He's only 20 years old. - So, all right, round eight. Chris Godwin, Jr., receiver for the buck in years. - Shoebahubber. - Shoebahubber, who has a hamstring injury for the Panthers. Quentin Sutton, the receiver for the Broncos. George Kettle, come up with the Achilles for the 49ers. J.K. Dobbins, running back for the Broncos. Michael Wilson, receiver for the Cardinals, who we did vow would, we would rank and have ranked higher than Marvin Harrison. Blake Korn, running back for the Rams. Alex Pierce, receiver for the Colts. Travis Kelsey, tied in for the Chiefs. Jackson Dart, record back for the Giants. Jordan Mason for the Vikings. Kyle Menungai, running back for the Bears, Craig, since you're so mad, who do you think is the worst sick in round eight? - Um, I have Kornlin Sutton or Kyle Menungai. - I don't disagree, I don't think I've drafted Kyle Menungai one time, because he's like got hurt and- - He's been practicing. - Had like a pretty bad knee hyper extension and is out for multiple, multiple weeks. And I'm kind of, and there's like not a lot of reports. So I'm just kind of like, why would I, what's going on? Why would I take the guy who was like a legit knee injury? Um, yeah, I don't know, I'd rather, like I'd rather, 'cause this is the round where it's like, you're not getting starting running backs anymore. You're getting like, one B's. - Right, yeah. - All of the other one B's are better. Jordan Mason, Blake Korn, even like JK Dobbins, when he's healthy, I'd rather have all those guys than Kamenungai, I think now, and then Kornlin Sutton, I just picked because I'm like, even without Jalen Waddle, Kornlin Sutton was a very average standard pick. And now that Waddle's there, you know, Kornlin Sutton's 31 years old, and I'm kind of just like, I find to pick anybody to slip away in that offense as him. - Maybe that's dumb, I don't know. - I usually, I mean, it's to say, I think Kornlin Sutton is a lot like Michael Pittman, who we talked about in the episode of the favorite picks, where Pittman is like, this boring veteran, that could be good, and Sutton's like a higher floor player. I, my only fear with Kornlin Sutton, is I do think his job is not on the line, but I do think these younger receivers are kind of coming up in the Sean Payton offense, and like Pat Bryant could push for that role, And I kind of thought it might be one of them like. last old man push seasons, but I agree. I looked at him for a long time. I wonder how it appears just because I just can't get over pushing the ankle into surgery two months later. And then I really like, he just returned to practice and I just don't think his legs are the same size right now, which is a thing that happens. And I'm like, that means you're behind in all this. So I don't think, who did you have? - I had Pierce. I think it's just a combination of the injury, really limiting his preseason, his offseason, the fact that I don't really know what to make of this offense. I don't know how good Daniel Jones is gonna be. It's like, there's just too many variables here that make me confident in having him in my lineup. Also, he was already going to be probably a high variance guy in terms of, I think you have like 47 catches for a thousand yards last year. He was one of the, like in terms of his yards were catch, one of the highest in the NFL. So you're really rely on those big plays. And I just don't wanna live that life in fantasy. I think he's probably a real life good player, but there's just too many things working against him. I don't, I have like no plans to have him on any teams. - Yeah, I can. And also they just on Keenan Allen, you know, Tyler Warren's there, Josh Downs is there. - Just the idea, the week to week inconsistencies and furiating, I think the combo is this range to your point earlier. Sometimes the average draft position, the rankings don't change as much as they should with news. And it's, we just, yeah, it's Mononguy Pierce. Players who are hurt, again, when week one starts, can you stuff like one week without having injury problems? It's like, oh, I was gonna play comment on guy. And then you're like, oh, he's hurt. I have to add someone that sucks. The only other thing, oh no, I just totally blanked. - In this round, what else are you looking at? - Ooh, I think Pierce is right. - Oh, sorry, no, I found it. Joe Shad, who covers the dolphins, just posted that the dolphins, so the players, the teams made their cuts, right? And everyone cuts their players. And then the teams, you can claim them. The dolphins had zero of the players they cut get claimed by the other 31 teams, not one player's head. The dolphins claimed seven players from other teams. So just a reminder of how horrific the dolphins are. - Rebuilding. - Okay, round nine. And this is the last one, 'cause after this, it's like, all the players are gonna get horrible. - Once you get much later, it's more about who you should take than you should. - Round nine is, we run, Chakory Kroski Mara, aka Bill Mara from Washington, who we like, but is hurt also. Dalton Cuncaid, the Titan for the Bills, who is actually healthy, but rarely. Isaiah likely, Titan now for the Giants. Bo Nex, quarterback on the Broncos, Quentin Johnson, received for the Chargers, Matt Stafford, MVP of the Rams and wife fantasy stupid, is that him and Matt Patrick Maholmes are in this round and I fucking, McCuy Lemmon, the rookie receiver on the Eagles are behind Dalton Cuncaid. Jordan Addison, receiver on the Vikings, Kenneth Gainwell on the Buckingeers, Brock Perty on the Niners, and then Reiner's rookie, Dijon Stribling, receiver DK. Who's your least favorite pick in this round? - I put Addison. - You don't like him. - You hate him. - You hate Jordan Addison. - I don't hate him. We talked about him before. He kinda reminds me of like early career Calvin Redley, where he's opposite of a really good receiver in Justin Jefferson. And, you know, he is going to therefore benefit from single coverage and things like that. But he's been really courted. He's been really touchdown dependent throughout his career. Don't know what to make of this offense with Tyler Murray. Don't know how the target race gonna shake out. Addison has never been a player that's really demanded at high target rate. So it's in the same vein as Alec Pierce, where you're just relying on these big plays and touchdowns. And now we don't know what to make of this offense. I'm just out. - It's funny to say that 'cause the one thing I was like, I feel like Jordan Addison and Danzo off script with Tyler Murray is like pretty good. I feel like if Scramble Drill, Jefferson is gonna get doubled no matter what. I'm like, I mean, he got benched in London for, I mean, it seems like going out while he was in London 'cause, you know, he was a probation in America, I think. But then he missed with the first quarter and then-- - Catches the game action of waters. - Yeah, right. - I'm not, you think I'm kidding, but-- - I didn't know the story behind that. - But then he catches the game when he touchdown and like, he's good in those situations. That's my only fear. But I get what you're saying. - I feel like if you hate him as much as he's like invisible. - I think to me, yeah, that's more, and it's also just, I think this is a former first rounder. I had him in Dynasty a bunch and he really just hasn't lived up to expectations or my hopes and I'm just like, I don't want him in any redraft because I already have him too much and he's been a disappointment. That's just kind of where I am. I really just don't focus on him at all. I don't even think about drafting him. - That's so funny. Did you, do you have him there? - No, I have the two people who I just never, ever draft or even look at are Bill Merritt and McCuy lemon. - Yeah, younger players getting hurt stuff. McCuy lemon, it sucks 'cause, well first of all, you had to do the McCuy lemon. - The fucking snake. - The snake. - Yes. - And we doing that on the bench this season. - I just, McCuy lemon's a lot like, Colston Loveland to me last year where Colston Loveland is a really good player. I'm almost going at the exact same spot in drafts and a first round pick. But lemon, rookie, strike one. Rookie who missed all the entire off season program OTA's in most of training camp is strike two. And then strike three is like, there's already questions about Jalen Hartz needing to throw to the middle of the field where McCuy lemon works and operates in places where Hartz doesn't have a great track, like a pretty bad track record of operating. It's three strikes and I'm like, I kind of want someone else to take McCuy lemon, caught him after seven weeks and then I'll add him. And I feel like McCuy lemon could be great this season, but I'd rather add him for free in November. Or you could get him for, I don't know, I think he's going to be very, I don't think he's going to play a lot in September. Yeah, this is like a great late round, quarterback round. I also think guys like Quentin Johnston, even Isaiah Leicley, Addison and Dijon Stribbling, all these guys have legit upside to me. McCuy lemon because of all the things you just said. Like the first month of the season, like I don't think you're even going to be able to consider starting him on your own. I would write down right now. Like we're probably going to trade targets. We try to do it about three weeks into the season because generally no one wants to trade after week one. Week two, you're kind of like, oh, and then if you start o and three, that's when people really make trades. If you're one and two or oh, and three after three weeks. He's a good toss in. Like you make another trade. And it's like, well, can you add something else? At the Cuy lemon and he's barely done anything. They're like, sure. And then McCuy lemon can like, yeah, I don't want to pay for myself. Yeah. And then Bill Merritt, I agree. The washing and the offensive line, the injury, that's also stretching. For some reason he's invisible. He's invisible. I just scroll past his name. If it was in the platform use, if it said Bill Merritt, would you feel better or worse? I think unfortunately, he was undrafted or was he, what was he? He was a seven-throwner or something. If he was a bizarre, he got caught up in the, he didn't play his last year college. So he kind of, like it was a bizarre story. Yeah. Yeah, what was, where did he, he was seven-throwner, the 245 pick. But honestly, him and Kyle Menungai, I think unfortunately suffer from late-round syndrome. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Where it's just like, you can't. I need to see it for twice as long to build a half as much. Right. And if they weren't hurt, you'd be like, oh, you know what, we're just, late-round syndrome but they're late-round and they're hurt and they're like, ah, just emotion. Like your brain can make the case, but your heart's not at it. Yeah. OK. So of all those, we're not going to go beyond this because there's no terrible picks. I mean, I don't think you should draft a kicker or a defense early. I will say, if you wanted to see lots of Texans, we talked about this, but it's worth repeating. If you kind of dread having had a defense each week and you're doing it at 12.55 or you're like, oh my god, I didn't really, you're checking your lineup once a week, you can draft the Texans or sea ox. That's fine. Don't do what Bill did and take a kicker early. Unless it's like your favorite team. I think that's the only thing I'd say after this is a terrible pick is Dave Chang taking Cam Little in the eighth round and the ringer draft, which is a thing that actually happened. He's in, like, if you didn't watch it, Dave Chang took Cam Little in the eighth round, the kicker from the Jaguars, then Bill was like, oh, no, kickers are going to kicker. Oh, kicker run is happening. And fantasy, again, the argument for two quarterbacks is like two kickers went for Patrick Wombs. Again, we wanted to do two quarterbacks and then Bill recommended one quarterback. Everybody in the chat said no one said anything. Well, like two people were like, yeah, that sounds great. We were like, okay, speak now or forever, hold your piece. Nobody said anything. We showed up in the draft and then Dave Chang was like, what the fuck? He tried to start a vote. He started a vote. Everyone voted, including Bill to change the title. Bill mostly, like, meekly raises his hand. We're like, dude, what the fuck? I literally, two weeks ago. Craig, you pulled up his tag. Like August 19th, he's like, fuck, two QB. Let's do one QB and everyone's like, great. I literally turned to Dave and I was like, I'm not even allowed to have your phone number. Like, I have to email your assistant. And I'm like, when I get your phone number, you can ask to change the rules during the fucking draft. I did like, when you were halfway through the draft, you were like, so Chang, do I have to email your assistant to get your punishment? He's like, you'd be lucky to email my assistant. I was like, well, that was kind of awesome. He's gonna talk shit. Do you think he'll join the group chat? Or do you think we should just add his assistant to the group chat and the group chat? Come on, he can mute it. I mute every group chat, I mean. I mute every one time. What's the big deal? You want it? It'll be fine. I mean, I'm fine. I'm gonna, we should add him. Oh, Adam. Okay, what? He has his number. He has his number. I do have his number. You fucking tell him that. I was informed like biting his tongue over here. I'll add him. I'll call. Yeah, I'll go fuck myself. I'll just call him at home. You let me hang out to 12. We're getting dinner tonight, I'll tell him. Jesus. The ringer fantasy football show is brought to you by Fandall. Fandall is now available everywhere, seriously, everywhere. So Texas, Georgia, Florida, you can finally get in on the action at home, the game, and whenever the group chat is together watching. Fandall makes sports more exciting because every fan can now celebrate your team winning, or when your group chat calls the comeback. So wherever you are, you can get in on the sports action with Fandall. Download the Fandall app today. Fandall, play your game. Agent location restrictions apply. Product availability varies by market. See Fandall.com for eligibility. Gambling problem, call 1-800-Gambling. So we did the ringer fantasy ringer over this. So we did the ringer fantasy football draft on Netflix on Friday. It was great. Everyone loved it. Everyone listening was like, "We're not supposed to have a hitch." Yeah, no problem. Everyone loved the audio version. Everyone loved the screaming over each other. Everyone in the league, all our bosses. Everyone's so happy with us. No one has any complaints. No, it was perfect. It was perfect. 'Cause the word I heard a lot, yeah. You can go and watch it on Netflix now. You can just type in ringer fantasy football show on Netflix. You can watch the live draft. You audios and Spotify and there's really no complaints. I would say we're off of that hitch and I was thrilled It was good the golf thing everybody was like awesome idea really creative. I wish you there Everyone thought that was great. Yeah, I decided the draft order by randomize people didn't like that was random Right, you know people loved they prefer picking out of a hat. Yeah, we'll pick out of a hat next time. That's totally fine The thing we have to explain other than the total really there was no conflict with so ever no We have to you guys have to explain what happened to me in the quarterbacks So this was fun. This was really funny because I actually think I want to defend hyvets a little bit here where everybody like Hindsight everyone's like well hyvets was so smug that we had to punish him At some point in the middle of the draft somebody noted that hyvets didn't have a quarterback yet because we've been saying wait on quarterback Or you specifically have I would say the most because you like Kyler Murray Whatever hyvets didn't have a quarterback and people were like wow hyvets what are you gonna do and hyvets just kind of Mate with a little bit of snark 30% snark was like I'll be fine and Then that was like that was blood in the water you better than they came out and then everybody everybody was just like Dave Chang I didn't let the charge it's like what if we all just took quarterbacks because hyvets has the last pick in the draft So he can't pick for basically 22 straight picks and it happened I don't I think like 12 13 quarterbacks went over the course of round yeah 10 and 11 and hyvets by the time it came back to him the only quarterbacks available were like Bryce Young and Michael Penex Yeah, as your first quarter they literally took There were one to Kyler Murray Patrick Mahomes Malik was Baker Mayfield Jordan Love Brock party and Bonix went Consequently just because people were so and then I have gone I have three quarterbacks people to single Dark literally ever in a row. I've never seen anything organized quicker. It was like it's like the Steelers roster in four quarterbacks Like people were like fuck it. Well, maybe I'll need a third Shock Stroud Brasette Daniel Jones all went and then hyvets was left with with Bryce So you ended up with you took Bryce Young in the 11th Michael Penex in the 13th and you knew the let mr O'Rellivan was Kim Ward because I was thinking I've said Penex would get hurt so many times that man I bet at jinx did all the irony is he's gonna be fine. I'll be fine. I think Bryce Young will probably be pretty good Yeah, I came away more impressed I think it's I actually felt even stronger you should go one quarter back because I'm like I literally the entire league On camera colluded against me, right? Yeah, and it was fine. It was super fun. You had a great time I'm like I'm gonna be fine. Get the whole administration thing right now collusion's fun collusion's kind of sick Whatever you're gonna die one day. I'm gonna stop us. Yeah, we're yeah, fuck you're 80 start colluding. Yeah You know, I mean whatever why not? Yeah, a lot of 80 girls had he on that so But that was fun. That was a good time though what you what what round is that like the 10th round? He took he took Young in the 11th one mistake was I do wish I had taken Kyler instead of George Kittle there But I also did think I'd get away with it. I won't lie. I kind of didn't So smart he was pretty smart passing round 10 without a quarterback is is quite late. I was hosting the goddamn show. Oh stop You should have the fucking 10th But I also regret then taking I should have just like taken no quarterbacks and be like fuck you guys. I'll be fine I will say I did feel like that you know that 50 cent meme is like what do you say fuck me for? Yeah, like I just everyone's just like so mad I'm like this is not one of when I was like I'll be fine. That was not one of the 100 meanest things anyone said in that thing That is comments that were made that everyone then coalesced around that moment. I was like The group clearly needed something to bond over And we found it. Yeah, it was like hatred hatred You handled it like a champ as you always do. I've always respected that about you Um, and you'll probably and you know what he's giving because you waited your receivers are awesome You're running back so like you you have a very deep team now because you waited on Yeah, we should go over a team. So god the voice. Oh, that was the other funny thing And I've you turn on the Netflix draft for one thing and one thing only literally the beginning is the beginning was like Welcome to your fantasy football league live draft spot powered by Verizon and I was tough. Yeah on I heard Verizon pulled their money. Yeah, no, so we yeah, we overized it a tremendous amount of money because I've always cracked on the ad read So with that said what do we do do we just read all these names or is that I don't know I know I'm like Did I go through my team maybe just the highlights the people care about our teams. I don't know So I don't know I think the obvious answer is for no right you can look at it online go to our Instagram. We want to do punishments Let's do it. Yeah, so again, we're doing PYOP pick your own punishment And again, if you don't have any really it's basically started because we feel that it's so hard when once you're like our no longer a shithead person in your young 20s It's hard unless you have like a very similar friend group to get a punishment that's strenuous enough that people are scared of it But hard enough everyone will actually do it and everyone's you know Everyone knows people are been in a league where someone just won't do the punishment And it like kind of phrased the group like it really does pull at the strings of the court because people are mad They won't do it. There was literally did you see the van was joking the entire time by the way I was sitting next to van in the strafting was like He was saying well, it doesn't really matter what I pick because I'm not doing it Which is why sounds the enforcer this year So did you see wait the onion had an article but I want to call today like it's actual thing They said rest of fantasy league losing patience with member who has other things going on I mean it's it's hard that it's hard So we get all selector on punishments do I'm going to go through what everybody picked? Yeah, yeah, all right So the in the seventh round Sean fantasy took no punishment Yeah, he got ahead of that one. I mean after that questionable We have Chris Ryan selected he has to go trick-or-treating not on Halloween and get 10 items from 10 different homes He was like I can't wait to do this. I'm gonna say I don't my neighbors. Yeah, he's like I like my neighbors It's like that's fine with me cousin salad has to eat two cold cans of soup of the winners choosing Bill has to listen to pat McAfee's album on repeat for the opening slate of game Which shows that yeah Joe house has to get in full clown makeup and do like five ringer pots. Yeah, we told it clown car No, he used to do everyone's pot. Let me get like car wash. I don't know At ESPN if you go at like every slot in the TV show if you're guessing on everything It's like you do the whole thing so clown car wash got it clown car washes You we're gonna get actual professional clown makeup for Joe house And then he has to hit everybody's podcast, which honestly sounds I really want that to be on that I think he will do it too for sure he will Mallory has to have 76 hot dogs over the course of one month Which we started out saying it was gonna be 77 hot dogs in one week and one week And that would kill people correct. I still think we should have done a week You literally we don't want yes, I disagree with it But I was like if you want to do it do it you could have done it. He went from a week to a month There's some gray area there Now for man, I'm excited about it Fucking living being the host and being the commissioner fucking thankless take take selected He has to he cannot watch the Super Bowl live and instead has to watch a movie of the winners, right? Which is like kind of brutal I think it's not a coincidence that Tade's team sucks sure like take his panthers fan right like I mean that would be pretty shocking like I think Mallory when the Ravens We were like a little salad the panthers went to the playoffs last year or like okay Come on I like we were like oh sour them forced these and we will I think we would have to like Get Mallory arrested and put in jail for her to actually not watch the Super Bowl and even in jail should figure it out Dave Chang has to eat the first chapter of Terry Bradshaw's book literally the said he said he's a book He explained to us how he was going to make it called a burnt sauce Yeah, so burn up the papers Yeah, the pages and then turn it into a sauce somehow And he's like I'll put it over a wheeled chop and people can eat it. I think we should make it last Did he invited us on our show to try that I can't remember Yeah, we'll have to go on check the take the club. Yeah, actually. Will you all call next time you're over at his house. We asked then Selected the vanilla ice eyebrow slits. He wanted that was into his his eyebrow. Yeah, he might do that That's why we had to do the punishment thing That's my nightmare. Oh, that one look at my eyebrows. Yeah, my nightmare is like slits in my eyebrow And I do it who cares, but I the I because it takes a long time to push the eyebrows. What if it never came back Well, that won't be then I'd become vanilla ice here's do like do you really have any sense of how long it would like your hair If I shaved your head right now, you kind of know how long until you're normal. Take your phones ringing Oh, yeah, pick it up. Is that day? Matt Melanie's calling me. Oh, let's pick it. Tell me on the show. No You thought about it. You thought about it Um to continue to want me to answer really Craigs assistant. No. Uh, DK if he loses has to wear a bald or sorry to pay right on the show for a week Right, which I think is awesome. That would be amazing. Yeah, I think you actually were really excited to pilot just going to Turkey You're gonna be amazing. I want I want to have hair again. Would you actually go would you do the turkey thing? Theoretically, I'm not like against it. I feel like I'm too far gone at this point Let's say that we got like a someone reached out and we got like a sponsor or something They were like we'll fly DK for free Turkish Airlines hooked up. We can make content out of it I feel like our soul's done stuff like that. You could also just do it in America people don't you don't have to go to Turkey Yeah, sure. What do you do in America? Would you get hair plugs? Wait, they have doctors here. You know, the turkey thing is just because it's cheap It's cheap. Yeah, it's like they're better at it. I don't know anything bad. I just saw that they have a lot of reps That's true, but like you don't think you could get a good one in fucking Beverly Hills like where did where did Jason Whitton go? Jason Whitton. Whitton was pretty good. I was a piece. I think I don't know That's not always a two pay. I think those five percent look if you pay for it and you get it all sure I'll do it. Well, it's like I don't think I'm able to do it I feel like I'm too bothered to go into Turkey. What do you mean? Well, I think it's like I'm 20 grand I don't know what the prices are, but it's like a hip replacement in Belgium's like 12 grand in America. It's like 60 It's also very difficult Logistically because I think it takes several months for you to grow back. Yeah. It would take a long time. It looks horrific. It's dumb as you know, your head. Right. I've been as dumb as dumb as nuts. I would have to wear some sort of weird contraption on my head because I don't think you put a hat on at first because it's going to. You're the first person to do this. Like, I know I know. I'm just saying. The Google says that it's Turkey is two to five grand and then America is 10 to 30. Oh my god. Because then you also get to like actually go to Turkey, which is kind of cool. Yeah. Would you do it? If we arranged this for you. I mean, sure. No, don't you go to Turkey and get the transplant. I would maybe I would consider it. Wow. How do you thought? What is it? It's not for me to make content out of it. We could probably crowdsource $3,000 in a day. I wouldn't get to get there. Bring hair back. So DK took the two. I don't know. I bring it up because I don't know if I'm being serious or not. I can't tell. I saw the face you made when you took the two pay punishment. And I saw like this flicker in your eye. Yeah. He wants to miss my hair. My son Calvin has like the greatest head of hair ever too. It's just like constantly laughing me in the face every every time I see it. Well, I'm going to win. Yes. Like he has like a fucking rubber red bird like. Yeah. Super ball. Yeah. I have to say the next draft. I have to serve everybody hot dogs and cold beer while I drink hot beer and eat cold hot dogs. And then Danny Heifetz has to dress as the hungry caterpillar and eat everything. He ate as he hosts. I just have a. I see in the fire. I know I'm going to come in last and I'm going to be hungry. That will be incredible. That'll be incredible. I just I don't know. I just can just tell I'm going to be the hungry caterpillar next year. It could be that could be a lot worse. That one's pretty harmless. I don't know. It's funny and harmless. So yeah, what what is he eating the book? He eats like pizza and fruit. So it's an apple two pairs, three plums, four strawberries, five oranges. So no pizza? Take ice cream cone pickles, Swiss cheese, salami, lollipop, cherry pies, sausage, cupcake, watermelon, and then a leaf. That sounds great. That's a lot of good stuff. That's all the food. Ending with a leaf is funny. Yeah. Well, you could eat like a piece of a rugilare, something. Yeah. So we'll see. I don't know. Uh, so those are the punishments. So do you think anyone will actually do them? Well, I think Sal actually will shame people. I think I really believe Sal will successfully shame people if they don't. Yes. Sounds good. We got to put salad work on that whoever loses. He's the enforcement. Yeah. Uh, the thing that that always happens to me in drafts is I always tell myself I'm going to wait on quarterback and then I don't. That is a good lesson. The other lesson is I'm going to obviously when you're drafting things are just a little different than when you actually rank stuff. And you have to sort of like when you're on the clock and you really have to make a pick, sometimes it's different than how you have things ranked. So we have to like switch things. Because I think sometimes you assume that everybody drafts just like you. Yeah. You know? And sometimes people just come in with their own convictions and are like, I'm taking Camlet on the eighth round. I'm taking a quarterback in the second round. I don't give a fuck. And then once one person does that, it changes the trajectory of the draft because then everyone's like, oh, shit, quarterbacks are now. Yep. And then it's all different. So you do have to be nimble. That is the best advice is like don't be afraid to abandon your strategy and be nimble. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I would tell people to abandon the strategy, but but like some being nimble for sure, I think it is important. Maybe abandon is too strong word or so. I'll pivot. Yeah. Give up on your principles. Just give up. Yeah. I don't know if I told you. Abandon is just a strong band. This is a fucking fantasy football craft, right? The word abandon is fine. Yeah. You guys like that strong language for such a serious thing. Yeah. Great. Be careful. Yeah. I think we would say running back, running back. You know, you'll hope your running backs end up healthy and you do want to take running backs later. That like, you know, you know, like if the prop you up, if they've all the running backs are gone and you're staring at CDLAM and fucking Jess and Jefferson, you're like, well, I can't do that because I need to take running backs. It's like, no, yeah. If you go the advantage to taking, if I take in like, you know, John Taylor and like, and I again, the twelfth pick, I'll take Jonathan Taylor and like CDLAM is that you're just more flexible later, like you are more flexible later. And the other part I'd remind is that this league starts three receivers. And the actual most important thing I'd impress upon people is like, this is a 12 team league that starts three receivers and a flex. So that means that a minimum 36 receivers start every week and a maximum of 48 receivers. But if you're a 10 team league where there's like two starting receivers, that means there's only 20 receivers starting each week. And if there's one flex like a max of 30. So it's probably like going to be 25 receivers each week. The difference between starting 25 each week and 40 is the difference between like whether James and Williams is even in a starting lineup. Like he might be on someone's bench if you're in a 10 team with two receivers. So that it's so much more important, I think, to go running back, running back if you only start two. But if you're in a three receiver league, it's way more okay to like, you know, it just change it up. Yeah, it's just so much more important. I think we all had the confidence that we could find guys later. Yeah. I agree with what you're saying. But also running back is so shallow. And I think wide receiver is so deep. I still think you can get away with getting waiting on receivers, even if you have to start four of them. And that's, and that's why we all did it. So hopefully all our running backs don't get hurt and we get fucked. Right. Right. It'll be a good year. It'll be fun. We got rid of the losers bracket now. It's regular season loser is the loser, which would not have been the last year. Right. I was going to say that that was going to change. We listen to like seven and six, but whatever we didn't bitch about it. How do you guys do this? Everyone's mad about this in the league. But they basically were like the loser who does the punishment should be last place at the end of 14 weeks by record. And by record. And we do a toilet ball where the final people in the bottom can compete during the playoffs, because we're like, you're basically telling everyone just check out. Yeah, it's like something to do. It's like keeps waivers alive. It like keeps it. Yeah, it just keeps people and some interested longer. I think I understand both ways to be honest. Sometimes it's nice to be like, you know what? I'm fucking done. I'm 11. How am I in our baseball league? Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. So I want again. Okay, it's not a fucking spare because there's not a few missed the playoffs. 12 and 9. I missed the playoffs. It's fine. You're your own, you're not upset about it. Whatever. Doesn't even care. Put my heart and soul into that team. 12 and 9. You missed the playoffs. And then what was your record when you came in last place? I think I have the same record as Mal 77. That is you would battle at the signal one and you lost it. Yeah, I see for Bob. I see whether and then Chris got second and he made one move all year. Well, the irony didn't change your, I will say though, yeah, you were hoisted by your own petard there. What do you mean, foisted, foisted, I don't know what a petard is. Was it hoisted? Because it's you get you get blown up by a grenade. You get hoisted. That would have petarded. Yeah, petard being like a bomb. I thought it was a stabby thing. Either way, the reason you missed the playoffs. It is hoisted. You had a rule that you wanted us to do, which we ditch this year without telling you, but the top four teams made the playoffs and then the fifth and six lots go to the highest scoring points. I do think that makes it for a more accurate top six. Well, that's why you missed the playoffs. But I wouldn't know when the league anyway, but yeah, we wouldn't have lost the league. Okay, but wait, hold on. What are we are we doing that again? No. Okay, good. We discussed. We should make it clear. We did in writing with a message that we drafted together. Do you have any short-term memory? I mean, I remember that message, but I couldn't remember if you put that on. I do think that is a good rule. I think that's better for like a league where it's like a work league where maybe people aren't paying attention as much. It just sounds complicated. In a league where we cannot get anyone to read anything we send hard to be like a purpose, we cannot have a complicate. Custom playoffs rule, but I do like it generally. Right. Correct. It protects people who get like completely fucked and they score a ton of points all year and just happen to lose. Okay. I have one email I want to read. Great. And it is from Debone. Debone. He says long time fan first time emailer. Oh, hi, if it's just take that Dejan love the 49ers scammer guy workout probably would have looked real in real life is completely wrong because I have friends who were playing in a volleyball league on that beach when he was playing when he was doing the drills. No way. He sent of it. It's true. And he said and I they saw him working out and in the moment they were texting and saying we cannot believe how bad this guy is. And he confirmed I can't do his name, but he literally has evidence that like he was there and his friend they literally were just like shocked at how bad this guy was at football on the beach. Yeah, he looked like crap. That's really bad. I'm worried about him. He looks like crap all knowledge about his future football analysis. If he was like his table looks fine to me. Well, not the tape. You know what's funny? The part you know what's funny? The part you know what the party nailed is I remember when I worked because I used to work for the Washington franchise and not a job of mine, but one of the things that you monitor the social media just like you kind of look at it. Dude, the way he talks on Instagram live I have to say it's exactly like how every backend roster player does. Like the amount like those guys at the bottom of the roster they are all on Snapchat and Instagram live while they're driving. But you're and just narrating and it's just funny. He was just believable on king. You were like he looked like an NFL player on saying there's rounds. He looks terrible. I'm just saying I kind of just was wondering if in the moment people would be like I bet he's on the nighters. I'm like I don't know. I was just curious how many people he could have gotten. Sure. Again, I think somebody who doesn't watch football probably would not know. I will say did you see the video? Did you see? Did you see the video where he said I'm the majority shareholder of a of a Gucci store in sax fifth avenue? No. He's like put sax his avenue. He's not a street. It's sax is a store. Oh, it's a store. It's like he wasn't even. He was really just shooting from the hip. Can you be a shareholder in an individual store? All of it. San Diego. I think some LA and then also San Francisco. I think this one was in San Diego. I forget where. But so is he going to jail? Yeah. I mean the FBI made a like like a point of it, yeah. - Yeah, good lesson. - So if you're young, don't steal money, but if you're old, it doesn't matter. - You could still impersonate a minor, that's fine. You just can't scam people. - Right. - Yeah, tend to be a minor, like, you know. - Well, legally. - Legally, you can pretend to be a 49er, right? (laughing) - I mean, sure, that's an interesting question. - I don't know. - That wouldn't be a legal-- - What's your end game? - There is just kind of-- - Just pretending. - You want people to believe you're a minor, that's it. - Well, I told you guys, I pitched the thing, when Jimmy Groppel said-- - We said I was on the chargers, remember? - Right, that's true. - That's true. - I was, that's true. - So I hope it's not ill. - That's a fact. - Yeah, well that wasn't a lie, but if it were-- - Yeah. - You really were on this game? - Yeah. - Oh, I've got you now. - Do you remember? (laughing) - Move in, boys. - Get 'em, he said it. - Ladies and gentlemen. I remember I wanted to send Zach Schwartz to San Francisco, 'cause we joke that it looked like Jimmy G, and then Jimmy G was traded the Niners, and I was like, I bet we could pull this off. - Sure. - We could have made billions on that. - Sure, we could have, yeah. - But we didn't. - If I put on like 15 pounds of muscle and just showed up to random bars in San Francisco, the year Brock Purti was drafted before he played, and I was like, I'm Brock Purti. Maybe I get away with it. - Well, the answer to your question is the guy who did this for real is Jabba Chamberlin. Was this like phenom pitcher for the Niners? - Oh yeah, I remember him. - He kind of flamed out, but he was like, briefly like the most famous athlete in New York City. And there was this guy that looked exactly like him. And on days, the Yankees were not playing for like a whole summer, this guy just like picked up women saying he was Jabba Chamberlin. And like it worked, like for like six months, and then he like fucked up. There was a reindeer lady went during a game, and they were like, no, and they like he was pitching. And then I don't know what happened to that guy, but yeah, people, yeah. - That's like, have you ever seen the movie Game Night? - Yeah, not forever. - Oh, it's so good, but there's a great joke. - So Deicus? - No. It's Kyle Chandler and Bateman and Rachel McAdams. It's a really good movie. Lamor and Morris from New Girl, there's a great joke about how Lamor and Morris is wife, who they've been together for like their whole lives didn't met when they were like in high school. They took a break for like six months, and he finds out that she slept with a celebrity in a six month break, and he's like obsessed with finding out who it is. And she eventually reveals it's Denzel Washington. - Oh, man, it wasn't him at all. - I don't believe you. She's like, sorry, like I know you're upset, but it was Denzel, he was like, prove it. And then she showed a photo, and he's like, that's not him. She's like, what do you mean? He's like, that's not Denzel Washington. It's so good, it's a great bit. And then she like recounts the whole story with him. She's like, we went back to his condo, and he's like, condo. (laughing) It was very funny. Anyway, game night. - Yeah, game night. - Okay. So fantasy football dot the ringer dot com. We'll have updated rankings there. And yeah, episodes in this season, and we have more episodes coming this week, and then also next Monday, take Birch. Take Birch time. - We are recording that at the end of this week, in person, we're gearing up. How many of them are you have right now in the holster? - Like three or four. - Me too. - And then also if you want to go to our Discord. - We've got one really good one, I think. - You can email us, take Birch and also in our Discord, we have a little take Birch channel. That's open for one week and one week only. You go to the regular fantasy Discord. Okay, so thank you to DK, thank you to Craig. Thank you to Nikhil and Cam and Austin and CT, a boo, everyone in there. Thank you, but most of all. - Thank you Lord. - Lord. - Lennial Banger Summer is over, it's September 1st, we argued before we started, is it fall or is it not fall? I know it's technically not fall, but it's September, which feels like fall. So, Lennial Banger Summer is over, and DK and I were discussing what the new theme month is gonna be. I don't know if we've landed on a title. It's something in the realm of like, the 80s were fucking crazy. - Bar. (laughing) - Craig and I constantly joke about how the 80s were the apex of American culture. - Yeah, we love the 80s. - In all ways, like I'm not saying everything was better, but I also kind of am, but it was just like, it was so authentically itself. - It's very distinctive. - Yes, it was like unabashedly itself, in a way that I just think it's fascinating. So we're gonna do like the songs that just feel super 80s. - Totally, I'm gonna kick it off. - Okay. - And we can like, it doesn't have to be a specific genre, just be something that really reminds you the 80s, but to me, the song that I immediately thought of was "White Snake", here I go again. ♪ Hey, here I go again on my own ♪ - Banger. - Also "White Snake"? - Sure. - For some reason, one of the greatest rock names I've ever heard. - That feels like a fake, (laughing) Will Ferrell made an 80s like rock movie, their band would be like-- - Yeah, 100%. I don't know. What's your relationship with this song? I feel like it's in the movie. Old school? - Oh, maybe. - God, you just look at the font of "White Snake". (laughing) All these guys still have crazy hair. - My relationship. - They're all, yeah, okay, they look exactly like what I thought they'd look like. - They all look like this. So he's like long hair. - Shout out to Stevie Nose. - Hair bands. - I really like, first of all, with this song, how it varies so much on like, it starts kind of slow. It's kind of like-- - Very bad. - But the building quality is a great thing. - Of course. - And then you like, hit. - Yeah, that, you know. - Here I go. - It's fucking great. - You're gonna, all these songs that we're gonna talk about are just songs that, I don't know through pop culture. My dad liked all that music. And it was just like random CDs. I've just like, great as 80s hits. And it's like "White Snake" here I go again. And it's great. - I was lucky enough to live through it. This song was written and released in the year I was born. - What? - 1982, baby. - Off the album, "Sinners" and "Saints and Sinners". - By what? - See, that just wasn't even taken. That's incredible. - Yeah. - The B-side, bloody luxury. - The "White Snake" was a British band. - Oh. - This is definitely the only one. - I've ever known. (laughs) - Hold on, hold on. - Like a drift, I was born to walk alone. - I've got like a lot of power. - A lot of power. - A lot of power ballads from "Sara 2" are about like lone wolf guys. - Yeah. - Wait, but this is just one and the water died away. - I didn't realize that. - Oh, I didn't realize that. - He was like the purple. - And I always thought the purple was like a one at wonder from "Smoke on the Water". But he did "White Snake". I didn't know that. - Didn't know that either. It's about a fire and Switzerland at a music festival. - "Smoke on the Water". - Really? - I was kind of, you know what the fuck you. - Kind of. - What? - No, it's fine. I got sensitive about it. - What are you talking about? I didn't know that. That's cool. - But "White Snake". - "White Snake" is better than deeper. - Did your guys' music taste ebb and flow? 'Cause mine really does. - Oh yeah. I get bored of stuff. - I really have ways. - Yeah. - Like, now I'm listening to like Neil Diamond for some reason, you know? I'm getting into that. I don't know why. And then lately, I forget what movie we did. 'Cause it wasn't. We did "Buggy Night" some million years ago. And I watch those. But there was something where Bill brought up the 80 soundtrack of a movie. And now I'm kind of like, oh. Those like kind of like ridiculous over the top hair metal 80s songs are great. - They're so good. - They're awesome. You know? - They're so good. - They just kind of rev you up. They're great driving music. - Oh yeah. - What was with the hair and the hair band? Like, why did all these guys look like that? - I don't know. I'm not sure. 'Cause it looks fucking awesome. I don't know. - Do you think that's gonna come back? - I don't think anything anymore it comes back in full swing. It just comes back in fractions. Like I think right now we are living in like a combination of every era. - Right. - Like there is an artist recreating every genre right now in a popularly. I feel like it's like, you can find somebody making 90s music, 80s music, 70s style music, dressing 70s, 80s or 90s, 2000s. - Yeah. - Like, leave your Rodrigo's making like, early 2000s punk right now. Like I feel like everyone's just like doing everything. Like, what was the future nostalgia album? - Album? - Yeah, that one, it's like references, a lot of 80s songs. - Yeah. - I will say like the fashion that I grew up wearing is now back. Like the big, big jeans. - I mean, you gotta keep the car in your shirt. - You know the band Greta Van Fleet? - Yeah. - I mean, they're just like. - Like you showed me them. - Look at them now. I mean, they look like they're straight out of the 70s. - That's like top tier thought it was a person, but it was a band. - Yeah. - That was like, that's my number one pick for a thought it was a person. - And the opposite thought it was a band, but it's a person, Tamin Paula. - Yes, definitely thought that was a band. - Oh yeah. - It's just a guy named Kevin. (laughing) - Oh, it's really a guy named Kevin. - You see the video of him in Travis Scott and Travis Scott's like, who is this guy? This guy is good. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - Kevin Parker, yeah. - God, look at these guys. - The white snake? - Yeah. - What an awesome name. - White snake. - I just can't, I can't stop about it. - They all have long perms. - Big leather jackets. - Crazy hair. - Just acid wash. Everything's acid wash. - I feel like I don't know anything about a perm, like how long does the hair, how much maintenance does the perm require? - It's a great question. I know nothing about perm. - I think it lasts a little while. - I think you get, we have a couple weeks. - A couple weeks? - No, I think weeks. - Yeah, a couple weeks. - It requires so much work. - Can you shower? - How does it work? - No, I don't think so. - No one like women used to say like, like you get your hair set. - Oh yeah. - I don't think you would, I think you would go weeks without touching or washing your hair. 'Cause that was the first one. It was just a six month long scene on the Google, six months. - Like when you get like the up-do, you know, like back in like the '50s. - We're even Ben Stiller starts getting hutch-style, you know? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But we just did Apollo 13 on the rewatchables and like the women's hair in those movies. Like I think they just sit that way for weeks. - Both of my parents had perms. - Really? - Yeah. - The way. - Yeah. - I love that. - Can you email, so many emails that ring your fantasy football Gmail that I want to know about perms. - I want to know about perms. - Oh wow. - Write it down. - Next year, do you, who, who would be the funniest to get a perm? - No one really has long hair in the group. - Good question. - Who's the longest hair? Other than Matt. - Honestly, I could probably get my hair the longest of anybody. - Typhans, you gotta do perms. - Who would a perm would be fucking a lady? - I'm just saying, I'm not being mean, but I'm like, it's a short list of people that could give a perm in this league. - Yeah. - It's kind of just you and me. - Sean. - Sean. now. Well yeah. Bill could do it. Girl's hair a little off. Yeah. Hi Fitz, you got to get a perm, man. What should I get a perm? Why is it called that permanent? I bet that we're going to call it a temp of the known got it. So they got it a perm and they're like it's a permanent pearl. I want to sell the maintenance. Yeah. She's like, why is it called a perm? Is it permanently alters the structure of the treated hair strands? Short for permanent wave. So it perms the hair, but then the hair grows out. I guess. Feel like people don't do perms that much anymore. No, you don't think. Well, even like that feathered like ferro faucet hair. Crypt? Remember crimps? Yeah. That reminds me of the 80s. Yeah. The 80s. Yeah, let us know about perms. We're going to learn. Oh, the 80s were as fast. Go just pull up videos in 80s. Bill Sundass will put stuff on his Instagram and it'll be like Danny DeVito with Earth Wind and Fire on stage. What is going on? This is fucking awesome. The 80s were a fucking time, man. They were like teams making albums back then. Yeah. Oh my god. The Chicago Bears album. Yeah. Like what the fuck is going on? 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