The Wizards Win (Something!) and More Lottery Reactions, Plus the Juggernaut Knicks With Joe House, Tate Frazier, and Chris Vernon

作曲:李宇宙 What a special day here in the Bill Simmons podcast Live on Netflix Tate Frazier is here Employee number one at the ringer back in 2015, now a host for us on a ringer tailgate pops on a bunch of our shows a college basketball expert there I would say and more importantly because Zacklow couldn't be here today because he was at the lottery watching Joe House's favorite team we called it we called it to being Joe House you finally got the number one pick and an awesome draft I've known you since 1988 September we ate food and played pickup basketball together that's how this all started I've never seen your wizards even made the conference finals you've never had a truly awesome player in your team you've had fun players you've had good players you have not an awesome player you've had a great day right up front that it is of course ridiculous irrational for a grown-ass man with a mortgage to derive such enormous pleasure joy for something as dumb as we're the ping pong balls land but let me tell you right now the champ is in the house number one is right here baby and we've got it done with my guy number two John Wal in that chair and look what we do we do the doggie did John Wal I'm just glad you have a pantsie I don't believe that I was encouraged to whip my dick out now if you indulge me I'd like to offer an acceptance speech a little acceptance speech take the number out let's hear it let's hear it I had to start with my wife because today is mother's day and she agreed that we could end mother's day today at three o'clock p.m. eastern so I could get in locked in that focus was crucially important good karma good karma plus you probably had some drinks and brunch I'm fine huge thanks to Ernie Grunfeld to Tommy Sheppard to Jan Vessily to Johnny Davis all the way up to this moment finally with incredible infrastructure a brain trust who created the tank of all tanks a tank so brilliant and beautiful of execution that the league had to change the goddamn tank members we'll never have a lottery like this again Brian Keith Sharif Cooper Jojo Reese Jamir Watkins Alinas Williams all the guys they put their heart out all my old DC John O'Ran we'll go all the way back to Wiz Nuts shout out to Wiz Nuts my guy Dan Shenov Christian Detsky all of the old heads are so over the top with this one we got our guy we got the number one pick they earned it they went one for 24 in their last 25 with the net rating of minus 14.6 I think somewhere in there was the bam out of bio 83 point game yeah which was one of the most humiliating nights in the history of the NBA thank you fam they traded for two expensive former superstars that just didn't play all year Trayon and Anthony Davis played it perfectly just a win from start to finish 50 wins in the last three years for the wizards yeah the congratulations yeah worst record in the NBA it kind of feels like they deserved it right finally we see the team with the worst record get the number one pick so that was encouraging to see and I just love Joe House I mean he's like out of breath right now so he gives us like he's gonna die maybe a 22 hours today can we talk about how the rig for this year Zag was that the teams with the worst records grab the top three picks now the Brooklyn that's were on the outside looking in but when you did your karma rankings with with Nick Wright Magnificent is always by the way shout out Nick right my buddy we've never met but we're friends you didn't have Brooklyn very high you thought it was like you know did Brooklyn deserve the karma right I thought their first rounders were so stupid last year I had to deduct points when you think about it and we'll talk about Indiana and the Clippers in a second because that was the most momentous thing that happened other than who got the number one pick but for the most part like Golden State didn't move up Atlanta didn't get in the top four as a possible yana suitor nothing truly goofy happened and you would think the league would want to take care of Indiana a team that lost their best guy who a terrible kill is injured in game seven but that's what happened we have to talk about this what I really want to dive in the Clipper thing we have to talk about this Washington pick because it seems like AJ is the guy I predicted this to you take two months ago yeah I was just like this is a rap AJ is going to be the guy and it seems like he's the guy couldn't help but mention there was a look on his face after the after the lottery there was a picture that got sent around about a half hour later he's getting grew up with and they all died in the same explosion in the living room or something is do you see a world where he doesn't go number one here whether either somebody trades into the spot or Washington says screw it and takes Darren Peterson Yeah it could be like a Chris Webber situation where like a team really loves him and they don't like the fit so maybe they trade up to get him a number one it does feel like Utah obviously has invested I mean I don't even know how many years what five years you run the numbers about all the millions of dollars from the BYU and IEL to when he went out there to play for high school like he's been in Utah for quite a long time so I think in his mind when he got to the final four he's thinking all right Adam Silver he cooked the books for me I'm going to stay in Utah I'm going to be a happy camper this is going to be great and then when number two popped up you can just see it he was like oh wow this is real he's like where's Washington is that you're filling I think it hit him in real time he was like you know he's a very no nonsense all business type of guys so that was an all business response I do think he had a little bit of like oh man I'm not going to go to Utah but it leads itself to a situation we already texted about this I mean if you're Washington maybe you call up you know and kind of see what they're willing to offer because obviously Utah is in love with him there's also the other wrinkle where Carlos Booster is a scout for Utah and obviously has his son in the top three and played for the Jazz for a while so like there maybe something where they're happy there at number two and they're going to get Cam Booster which means Peterson could even fall back to a three four range depending on what Memphis like so I mean I just think there's a lot of conversations to be had which makes you know the one two three four situation even more fun yeah House tonight we've already kind of ruined the podcast with a bunch of texts about this already and basically as soon as it all settled down it's like all right House let's say Utah really wants that number on pick you only have to drop down one spot and you could just take Darren Peterson and just make sure he doesn't put creatine in his creation drink creatine in his green juices and just stays away from creatine it took him a long time to come up with that excuse you know what I tried out the creatine a little bit and it really screwed me up yeah yeah it's not for everybody we're seeing it happen in miles being Griffin he had too much creatine one tournament was losing his mind so I mean it's happened before we've seen it in sports I recommended it to Kevin Wilde's while I was when I was trying it out and now I think he's still doing it I think he's all in it but maybe it works for him but you know the innovation for Peterson was to wait he waited enough time for like the stink of how his season played out to deliver the excuse six seven weeks we were all done with March Madness we're not thinking about Kansas basketball anymore I have here is what was going on we knew that there was a true story somebody was going to give us the so I admire the the innovation the revelation yeah the one thing I will say nobody with the wizards are not calling anybody take I mean take said maybe the wizards call the wizards the wizards phone is sitting here yeah they're taking AJ and they and you call them if you want to call the phones right here you can call we'll listen why wouldn't we're a rational you call Joe House or the front office you can call he's ready to Joe House I'll take the call and you know anything is the threads so from so many different sources I my my phone has been buzzing relentlessly there's been all these congratulations but everybody is wondering out loud about Utah because you know they made that big investment in debancer and by they I mean Ryan Smith and BYU made an economic investment in debancer being physically at BYU by BYU with the idea that he might if the big phone ball goes before the house why they took them they took them from Massachusetts and he went to preps school in Utah and BYU and this has been a thing that's been going on right I don't remember if it's four years or five years and it was always like wow if they could ever get AJ They're taking them they're really familiar with them the whole thing. It's also weird somebody is this excited to go to Utah We haven't had that a lot in the league in the last 50 years. That haven't been a lot of people People panting to go their house, but we we were I sent you all the pics Utah has so Utah has been building all this stuff Hoping to do a 125 cents in the dollar type of trade. They have a swap at the Lakers next year in 27 They have the best two of Minneapolis of Minnesota Cleveland or Utah They have a swap with Cleveland in 28 They can do the best two of Cleveland Utah in Minnesota And I'm saying two different to the best two of the three the top two they have their own first Then they have this really nice phoenix first in 2031 house. Devon Booker will be like 34 years old making 80 million dollars on top of some other guys They have so my thing is like if I like let's say they come to you and they give you two those pics They give you like sense of law and they give you number two just to move up one spot and you take Darren Peterson Like are you sweating that? No, no two of those pics. I was wondering if you offer if I was being too greedy Looking for something like Ace Bailey the number two and one of the other way I could go one of those just just Ace Bailey and number two to move up to one No, I need one of those future first as well and one of those They look pretty good. Tate didn't Ace Bailey want to go there last year. Yeah, that was where he was angling That's what a lot of people thought that his agent was trying to get him to go there. So yeah, I mean honestly Ace Bailey and two for one is a lot Because I thought Ace look good last shot. I don't know if I would do that if I was Utah My thing is I would trade back just because we've been arguing about which of these four guys are gonna be the best guy for four months And I don't even know if we have an answer Tate. Where'd you land? Yeah, I mean I do think that AJ is number one I feel comfortable with AJ right he wants to be number one pick That's the number one test Do you want to be the number one pick AJ? Obviously wants to be the number one pick Peterson has worked his way through the media with These exclusive interviews to put out that he also obviously is willing to be the number one pick I thought the interviews at the dread what an awkward TV experience that is at the lottery by the way With like everyone can we talk about this? Yeah, please. So you have a half hour You have a half hour your ESPN you have a half hour for the lottery And then the next game starts You spend the first 15 minutes Having awkward interviews with the people sitting there showing all the representatives and then doing the same pink pong ball video They show every year the lottery happens Four massive things happen in the lottery and they just throw it right through the game and it's like What are you guys doing like the How can you have handled this worse like I would have had the lottery at three and then 15 minutes discourse anyway go on So we both had AJ We both think AJ should be the first pick But I wouldn't it's not like a wimpy situation where you wouldn't bet your life He's gonna be the best player and 10 years from this draft. It could be any of these four guys, right? Yeah, I mean, I think you can talk yourself I mean, I've seen boards that have boozer at number one right that seems like he's the the safest of the four picks right I had him a one. Yeah, how long you had him one, which is a you know, I think it's a fair point because if you look at boozer's record Right, he's won at every single level. Obviously, it was national player of the year this year You like the way that he carries himself. He is gonna be a really good player at the next level I think Caleb Wilson obviously is tantalizing. I know you don't like the hair dot hair style that he had there at the ambitious ambitious hair. I think he cleans it up And I think he's gonna be all right, but I mean just the high flyer and shong kimp has been thrown out there KG has been thrown out there Obviously McGrady a little bit. I also think I see a lot of people with Caleb at the four I think he's gonna end up being a wing. I think he's gonna end up being a three So I think he's one of those guys. Yeah, I just think he has the athleticism to be out there Maybe they slot him down at the four, you know, at some level, but I think Caleb's obviously in that conversation then Peterson I saw Peterson in person at the Kansas Carolina game in the fall and I mean He didn't even have a great night, but I mean puts up 24 points with ease and you're just like man this guy is so smooth so easy And obviously the McDonald's all American game. You saw a lot of people defer to him Just because if he you know, just the way he carries himself He calls himself Michael Myers of basketball, right? Like I kind of like that even though he's a little bit of a weirdo Right, I think that might be a good thing We told him we said he was the coi of guard. So again, you can kind of argue the coi of guards house. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I could take the coi of guards. I'm not sure you didn't show enough Michael Myers. He wasn't enough of a killer this season I think it should be I think it should be first But I also feel like if you end up with Peterson and more stuff. That's a nice place to be And the we've talked about this before I would take and calm and wrong, but the Peterson high school tape is out of control It's out of control. I mean, he looks like he's gonna be Kobe Bryant when you watch this stuff and I thought See my kid a little too much weight this year and we were talking just felt like he could never get going this season Which of course makes you nervous to take him one, but If it also feels like he could just be spectacular now also feels like he didn't want to learn the college game I mean, I know that's a little bit banal, but I just feel like it's such a different sport It was just like all right. I'll just skip this stage. I totally agree The what what he showed us body language wise attitude wise is my single goal is to not get hurt I will do this thing that is a required step. I will fulfill the requirement Present present he raises hand. Are you here mr. Pete mr. Peterson is here. He's present And that's it get me the f out of here. I want to go be a pro basketball player and here we are The VP of common sense would be a little nervous about the wizard's taking a guy who's already had major cramping issues and questions about his demeanor and his body You're talking about the old wilderness those are the old wizards. That's not That's old stuff. I don't know how to bring it up the path. We're in the present, baby One of the things I love about the banta is there's just no way like he's already built like a 28 year old man Mm-hmm And I don't even know what his body's gonna look like, you know, five six years from now, but he's just got Hey, there's some there's some interesting stuff with him There's some defensive metrics that aren't great with them. Holland are pointed to like for how athletic he is um Why isn't more stuff happening on that end? But I just to me He feels like the perfect kind of he could play the three with the four He's physical he rebounds. He you know, I think he's really competitive He really wanted to be the number one pick. I think that matters house And if you drafted him and he actually could talk himself and to go in there I think he did I just feel like it's a set thing. You know what it is. I don't know what that the variance of it being bad I don't really see with the band. No, no, no, that's why you're the ceiling with him feels like to me the highest ceiling just acknowledging that Caleb Wilson is a more of an unknown quantity Because the injury limited how much we got to see him against the the highest comp and especially in March madness where you really get a chance to see like okay, these are stakes the guys are ramped up. Let's see it So we were deprived of that with with Wilson But I feel like ceiling-wise the the bances that it's it's all the whole thing and he will definitely be cool with being here in Washington AJ strong Because we've had we've had some more luck lately with nicknamed acrimon acronym first names um Dear I say if he comes in right away, and I think take he's a 30 minutes a game guy next year, right in the NBA Yeah, I mean he could be like a 15 and eight like a 16 and eight something like that. Is that conceivable? Yeah If you look at the front court with Washington, that's a fun front court like as far as I'm as you know Yeah, I mean like those three guys he put him and him and saw her and Anthony Davis. We try young and George and how's look? Johnson like that's that's a kind of a team. Yeah, the floor is VJ edge comb I think what we got out of edge comb this year for a guy that showed up ready big minutes. Yeah Ready and he took that team he more than any other player on that team Transformed what they were going to be capable of for this entire season You know when we did the the dumb October what the hell is filling going to be we had no idea We know how excited they were about edge comb, but he showed up and within two weeks. It's like oh look at this back court They have maxi and edge comb and it it resuscitated the fan base and if we get anything I think that's the floor for the bandsah now maybe that maybe you know Hey, we like supply right now baby, but we like star. Oh, yeah, there's you know Some of the metrics of them were pretty bad, but I like them. He's just his shop blocking stuff That's what you want three's and shop blocking All right, we'll get back to Washington because number two is Utah Um, Washington had a 52% chance to be in the top four and Utah was at 45 one a crucial coin flip I don't know if you guys know that they had a coin flip with Sacramento To decide who was four and who was five and who got which set of things and that ended up getting them the second pick um Danny ain't sure. I'm intimately familiar with As a guy that ran my team forever and just the way he thinks He always goes for superstar ceiling He's always if if he feels like somebody has a chance to be great. He's gonna take that guy and he's not gonna care Where it is in the draft like he was the one guy that would have taken to ran over Odin It's just that that's just how he rolls Tate is it possible? He'll look at the high school stuff from Peterson. He'll throw away the Kansas here and be like this guy's Kobe Bryant We got to take him Yeah, I think there's a high chance just because I mean, I think a lot of times the college tape is just like additive It's not the the definitive case and I think a lot of times for fans. It is the definition negative case because that's what most people see. They don't see all the stuff beforehand. They've seen these kids since they were 16 years old. And obviously, Danny Angel was there the last time the number one pick was traded in Mark L. Foltz. And there was a lot of people that, you know, we're a little upset in the moment that that happened. And then it turned out to be one of the best trades ever for Boston to be able to get Tatum there. And number three, so he's been there. He's done that. He's seen that. And I think with Peterson, it just sort of depends on how he interviews maybe with age and if age likes to fit, but I just think it can be tantalizing with that. I'm going to be a boring interview. I'll tell you that much from what we see from from Peterson. But maybe he likes that, you know, maybe I don't think he'll be talking about his favorite podcasts and some books he's read lately. I'm not going to be like talking to him, you know, and I mean, yeah, that's another one. Look, he fits in with the team they have. Because now they have Jared Jackson, they have Mark and in, you know, they have Kessler who's coming back. Yep. They got a great, great year from their young point guard, what they're actually missing is a two guard and a score and like a closer, which that's what he played at Kansas. He played, he played the two. Right. So House, maybe they're just happy, happy. Maybe this all because there's a world where you just look at the board and you go, Washington, happy to take the band, so you time. Super excited to take there in Peterson. Memphis couldn't be happier to add Cam Booser, like the most Memphis pick ever. And then Chicago, like sure, we'll take Caleb Wilson. And that's just how it goes, right? Booser's kind of a grown up, you know what I mean? Just feels like a guy that's not going to have any sort of issues. You can make him a franchise type guy. Cedric Coward fits in well with him. Great. Ryan Grizzlies. Yeah, they're back. It works. I could see that. You agree with that house? I sure do. And I especially Peterson's athleticism at the pro level and him with an ace Bailey, like, there is something there in Utah that you could point to and say, you know, let's go ahead and see if we can win some games. Well, I think that team because, you know, that poor coach that, that, you know, will hearty. Yeah, we'll hearty. We haven't seen him really get the cook. He only gets to cook every once in a while. He cooks through three quarters. And then he has to turn the oven off for the last few years. He was going to be cooking meth if he had to cook that team for three more years. He was breaking bad. Yeah. He really was. He was losing his mind probably. But I mean, they got lucky last year with Ace. Yeah. That they ace tried to do that. Stair down and get them to go to Washington. They just stared him down like you're coming. Agent video, one of the classic graph videos. Yeah. Right. But they've never moved up in a lottery. I don't think in the history of the franchise until until this draft. So Peterson, I would assume, but I'm telling you, man, if Danny watches enough Caleb Wilson is just like, this guy's, this guy's the next year, honest. We're taking him like, they'll take him a two, he gives zero fucks. I know they're a process like it's that there's never leaks with Danny because he'd always takes him a while to figure out who he likes. He's also his son's running the team. And obviously the owner is going to have a say and there's a bunch of people involved. But they're Danny's going to be the Yoda of this situation. I think from a fun NBA standpoint to bands of one and then Peterson go to Utah too is fun. Boos are at three. And then we don't think Memphis will trade that pick or anything. And then, you know, Chicago, just hilarious. They're going to actually end up with a fun team despite themselves. And it will go nowhere near the luxury tax, but they'll play with pace. They have Taylor Jenkins went there. And with Wilson, the only question I have, Tate, there's no chance he drops to five, right? I just think that anything is possible with the bulls. You know, I could totally see the bulls like having. Why there's from Illinois. Exactly. And that's like that. Not nothing in their backyard. They talk themselves into Wagner, great passing vision, all that sort of stuff. And then somehow Caleb Wilson falls to the Los Angeles Clippers and gets to work under Kawaii Leonard, a guy who I think, you know, as far as the hand size, I think is a little bit similar. And I think it would be a perfect kind of two-led situation where he could learn under in Tai Lu. Obviously, doesn't really lean on the rookies too much, but it could be a good situation and a good spot for Caleb Wilson. But the bulls, I mean, I know they just got a new, you know, kind of front office situation. So maybe, but at the end of the day, the ownership is the ownership and they've, you know, done some things in the past that are head scratching. And that could happen yet again. There it are for or not done some things. Let me ask you guys this. We'll have a chance to talk to Verno as this all plays out. Oh, yeah. Memphis strikes me as a team that might be more inclined to take a swing on Caleb Wilson rather than the tried and true steady Cam Booser. Cause like, does Cam Booser move the needle for Memphis? I mean, they have an interesting little nucleus. There is still yet, whatever they resolve with jaw, whatever assets they get back, but they're still super in transition. They're not a team that's going to be looking to try and win. I don't think 45 games next year, right? They don't have the roster for that. So if Caleb fits like that way where Center Coward is, like you're just building a really athletic kind of front court situation. They fail at a Memphis state. Booser dropping a forward beat out of control. Well, that's why I'm asking Tate. Yeah, that's like he's just feels like, I don't know what his ceiling is, whether he's ever going to make a first team on the air and anything like that. And I probably like him a whiff less than others, but I still feel like it's like a guaranteed 22 and 10. You know, total stud. Yeah, he's super competitive. Yeah, he's always produced. I mean, I think that's the real thing with Cam Booser, where you almost talk yourself out of it, even though it's right there in front of you. And you're like, he's going to be an all star, you know, he's going to be a guy that's in that conversation. So I really, I think Memphis just plays it safe there. But I like what you're saying, house like high IQ transition type team, coward, Caleb Wilson. That could be a fun combo. I wonder if Wilson could just single hit the Rejuvenage out Morint. Well, you look at Chicago Wilson falls to Chicago for. And for the people listening who haven't really followed this draft, Booser is like the steady 22 and 10, really knows how to play the game. He's just going to elevate wherever he is. And Caleb Wilson is like the wild card who got hurt before much badness, all time incredible college athlete, like just nuts. Like he feels like he came out of like the Faisalamijama era. And there's like pieces of Sean Kim. Tate mentioned Tracy McGrady a little bit. He doesn't have the three points shot yet. There's feels like there could be a little, little chat maybe defensively if he could ever figure out that side of it as like a, a four. I know that offensive stats weren't awesome for him. But, uh, but I'm looking at Chicago with Gidey and Kobe White and I had a soon move. Oh, no, they don't have two of those guys. I got excited for a second. I'm like, wait a second. What is going on? Yeah. Is now they don't think about that though. Matas and Caleb. Yeah. Booze. Bellis and Caleb. Who's not getting just young. His minutes he anchored around by Billy Donovan, many more. All right. We're going to take a break. And we're going to come back and talk about the number five pick, which became one of the most fascinating things that has happened in the recent history of the lottery after this. The Bill Simmons podcast is brought to you by Fandall. It's been a wild playoff run, not over yet. Fandall wants to bring you closer to the court to make all of that action come to life for you, the basketball fan. 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The Wizards go one in 24. Indie lost 16 straight and somehow didn't end up with the first spot. Falls back three spots gets jumped, loses the pick for zubots. And this fifth pick is no joke, Tate, because we move with the fifth pick. There's a second tera guys, Woggler, we mentioned, Acuff, who might be a next Kyrie for all we know. Burries is in there. People love Fleming's. This is like a potential all NBA someday guard. And Indie just doesn't have to pick now because they traded for Zubat's just a staggering kick in the balls. And all timer. - Yeah, it's an all-timer. Can you put your conspiracy hat on here, Bill, and talk about this? Because obviously-- - I can't. I don't think by the hat, there's no conspiracy, right? - I mean, I'm just saying ABA-wise, right? The Pacers, you think there's a little bit of like, they'll never let the Pacers get what they deserve because they're an ABA team? - That's where I'm going here, I'm just saying. - No, I never thought of that. They've never won the lottery. - Yeah, that's right, Bill. - I think that can spare seed, yeah. - Well, can we talk about the protection? That's the thing, the protection-- - The protection was the thing. - They basically made it seem like, hey, there's four players we love in this draft. But that's not how you can think because if you end up with the fifth pick and you have to give it away, nobody in the planet would trade Zubat's for the fifth pick in this draft. I don't think they were trading for the sixth, seventh, or eighth picks, honestly. But yeah, they took this chance with the percentage estate and what happens? They get screwed and now they have no pick. And for the Clippers, this is a miracle. - Yeah, it's amazing. - Literally a miracle. And then obviously, there's a lot of, like, you know, I think this is Pablo Torrey's nightmare. Shout out to Pablo. This is, he did not want to see this, the Clippers getting some sort of, you know, - Clippers on the mat. - Clippers on the mat? - Yeah, they got something. It's basically their number one pick, right? I mean, they were able to, they knew what it was. Okay, House has got video again, that's good. - Yeah. - So that happens. Also, you had, I think it was the president of basketball operations for the Pacers kind of put out a tweet to all the fans. - Kevin Pritchard. - Yeah, Kevin Pritchard was just like, I'm so sorry that this happened. We thought that we had good juju on our side. Turns out we didn't, that's never good when you see that as a fan of the Pacers. And, you know, we talked about like, that would be the perfect spot for like a Peterson or a Caleb Wilson or a booze or one of these guys that kind of slot into this Pacers team that can make a real run as a title contender. And now we're talking about the Clippers and then being able to get the fifth pick. And, I mean, you could talk yourself into Acuff pretty easily there at number five. And I think that would be a big swing and a nice pickup for Balmer and the Clippers. - So it's funny. I think they would take Waggler because he's six six. - Yeah. - Like Acuff, so just-- - Big guard. - House I love Acuff, obviously. But you have, there is Garland already. And I think they really like Garland. Like he had some real juice when he showed up. If you love Acuff, I think you'd have to trade Garland which we get a little complicated. But don't you think Waggler could play with Garland? It's not ideal. But he can play on or off the ball and he's six foot six has some size. Like-- - Has the shoe down. - Yeah, I feel like he could do that, right? - Yeah, 100%. I mean, I think it fits as far as like those two guys being able to play together. It's not redundant at any point. And, you know, there's a team that's sitting there at number seven that I know that loves Acuff. And probably would be willing to trade up potentially if you feel good about them wanting them so bad to get there at number five. And maybe you get some more, the Kings really won Acuff. I think that's pretty much a known entity at this point. So if they're willing to move up, that could be something there where you could get even more assets from a franchise that's a little bit desperate. So, but I really like Waggler. The only time that we saw Waggler struggles when Yaxel Lindoborg pretty much locked them up on defense. And he's five years older than him. So I mean, I think there's gonna be some growing pains but he'll get there eventually. House, I had this in my notes with Sacramento. If you're the Quipper's, and you can just move back two spots and take Burr is seven. And also you get to trade with Sacramento, which has been one of the most foolproof ways to get better over the last 40 years and pick up a future pick from them. I would think about that 'cause Burr is, I like, as you guys know, I love Burr's, but if you're staying at five, I think you, I think Waggler has to be the pick. Those are our tremendous options for the Quipper's. And it is proof positive that karma is on the Quipper's side, even in the face of all of the great circumvention, allegation, navigation, somehow or another, the karma landed in a certain way. I suspect that the league is going to land in the same place, which is we are going to get on with Quipper's basketball. 'Cause the worst case scenario here is they've decided horrible things happen and then they just wipe the, wipe the, we lost house again, they just wipe the Quipper's pick away, the number five pick. And that's that. I had a, I had a doozy for you guys. Well, first of all, the Quipper's turn, Zubots, who I didn't even think was playing that well this year, and Harden, who didn't want to be there anymore, into Garland and the fifth pick in this draft. So that's just amazing. - In math, right? - Yeah, in math, and if they end up resigning them. - Yeah, that's true. - They have two past now, because they could potentially trade Kauai and trade Garland, and just blow it up and try to rebuild the round young guys. They could also swing the other way and make a Janus play here. Because they're going to have some cap space, they have the fifth pick, which I think is attractive. And there might be a way to send that and make that the focal point of some sort of trade, and take Janus' thing on and try to keep Kauai and Garland and build around those three. Does that excite you at all? - Yeah, it excites me. I just want Janus to be safe. That won't Janus to go somewhere. You were talking with Nick right about the Hawks, and just, you know, if they get that top four pick and trying to package away, we're Jalen ended up going to Atlanta, and maybe Janus ends up going to Boston. I thought that was a tasty idea that I thought that, you know, I started putting that together my brain. I'm like, that makes sense. It's kind of a win win for everybody. This is obviously played out a little bit differently here. But if you're Milwaukee, I mean, I felt bad for, you know, shout out to Mallory Eden sitting there, you know, at the number 10 pick, I just looked like, you know, it was like warriors bucks, like some of those teams on the back end that maybe they slot in and we're able to, you know, - I never had, yeah, none of them hit this year. - None of them hit. So I mean, this is a way for them to be able to get something for the future that gives them a little bit of optimism. And also saves Janus because I'm tired of seeing Janus be wasted, you know, after 2021, I thought we were going to have like a, wow, Janus could end up being the greatest power for it ever. And it is really derailed, you know, over the past three seasons. Obviously, injuries are involved. And then the coaching, shout out to Doc Rivers. I think he tried his best to make things happen, but great BS podcast. Glad he's back on the pod. We need him here. - It all worked out. He's back where he belongs. - Yeah. - And the pod every once in a while. - And if Janus goes to Clippers, that's great for the lead too. - Janus going to the Clippers and being in Los Angeles with Kauai who's on a similar window of, I think, you know, how many more years is he going to have with Garland and they could patch around. They've been really good at building veterans around there. You know, one of the outcomes of today was, it feels like it really improved the Celtics chances to get Janus if that's what they want to do. Because you saw Atlanta who ended up in the eight spot, but that was the team that if they moved into the top four, I feel like they would have been in play for Janus, potentially. Golden State was another one. If Milwaukee had gotten up there with Atlanta and somehow both ended up in the top four, maybe they'd keep Janus at that point. But none of that stuff happened. So I would say the Celtics are probably, probably the favorite at this point to get Janus and this Dallas got aggressive. But I don't really know what the other team would be. Can you think of any, Charlotte? No, right? - No, I just don't think Janus is going to be happy there. And then he is basically just like the walkie-south. - Yeah, you just trade spots with them at that point. I don't think that really works out. And as far as the narrative of Janus's career, you get Boston behind you. You kind of get the media, the chat. You know what I mean? You can really change the whole conversation about who you are as a player. Because the numbers tell a great story about Janus. What I mean, and what he was able to do in 2021, you add in two more titles and you do it in Boston. And you're kind of like the 1A and Jason Tatum, coming off injury is kind of like, I wouldn't say 1B. But let's just say Janus ends up being the guy there. I just think it's a great story for a narrative purpose. And I do think Janus, I know he turned his nose up to the being in the face of the league. And I think that was a bad move in general. But I think that could be a salvage. Everything as far as like the Janus story. - Yeah, he's in, where the KG 2007 spot only he has the title, but wants this next act and it's time to lead the team he's on. Still, maybe Golden State would be the other one. I mean, Golden State's at 11. And they have the Butler expiring, but unless they just gave the rest of their drafts in a way to get him. I don't know how that excites Milwaukee. Milwaukee's gonna want something back. - Yeah, I mean, Jimmy Marquette guy goes back to Milwaukee. - I know, but he's hurt, you know. - There's no real sell there. - And if you get Jalen back, you're getting a guy who's gonna be second team on VA, but you're putting him on a bad team. Maybe he'd like that, I don't even know. - I don't even know. - He likes after it. - Yeah, who knows? He's all over the place. He had his favorite year of his career, but there were different reasons for it. Can you walk us through five, six, seven with Wogler and A-Cuff and Fleming's and Boris, and then it gets a little weird. And then somehow violent has just gotten pushed back when I feel like maybe he could be the guy that jumps. Is there, in that whole order, is there anybody you think is in the wrong spot? - Yeah, it's a cluster of guards. And Michael Brown Jr was sort of the guy that I thought was the guy at number five going into the season. He had his own version of a Darren Peterson situation where you had the back spasms and Louisville fans and kind of the people around the team were a little upset about him not being able to play. And there was some kind of backchanneling that was happening there. But I still think Michael Brown Jr has a lot of upsides. So I think he could be one of those guys that ends up being a steal if you get him at 8, 9, 10 range. Let's say the Hawks get him in. I think that's a really nice pickup for them. I like Wogler at five. I think Darius Aikoff is the most explosive and like the guy that could really become a superstar. I mean, you even saw when they did the graphic on the ESPN, the top four picks, they cut out Caleb Wilson and put Aikoff. I couldn't believe that. Right. Was that the J Billis list there? That was in the ESPN list. I think the J Billis only list. I think it was a Billis list. That's why they did that. But for me personally, like knowing Caleb a little bit, I do think that Caleb is almost better when he's disrespected, like if Caleb were to go number one, I would actually be concerned. But Caleb going number four, number five, I feel like that's the best case scenario for his career. Because he kind of, he's like at the MJ thing where he like needs gripes with people to kind of fire himself up. So I think that Aikoff going at five would be great. Burries is a little bit older, but it just kind of feels like a surefire guard that you can trust, even off ball at times if you need him to be there. File on this. And we know what he is. Burries is, we know he's a tip. Yeah. He's a two. And I think he's obviously showed a lot of Arizona last year and a really, really good score in player. File on's an electric score. But honestly of that group, I feel like my Kell Brown junior is the guy to me that gets me excited. That could have been a guard. Really? Look at some list. He's in double figures. Yeah. And some of the mic traps. I'm kind of shocked. I mean, I know a mint fell for, you know, a myriad of reasons. I know Michele Brown fell for some of the stuff I mentioned with the injuries. But if you've watched Michele Brown when he's on, he is really, really good and he's got the size. Who would you compare him to? That's a good question. I'm trying to think I mean, he's kind of, he means bigger. That's the other part. I think he's physically bigger. I mean, I mean, Drew Holiday may be a little bit potentially, you know, a Nim heart. Do you think he's that kind of defensive player? I think he could get there. I think he's offensively great. I just think that Michele Brown junior has a lot of upside. And I just think that the more I see him fall, the more I'm just like, if you're in the eight to 12 range, because I think 12 is the line. Like when things go bad is at 12. I think that's when you're like, you know, in OKC, getting 12, I'm fascinated to see like, do they just take a swing on a minute stirs? Do they take a quaintance? Like, who is that player that the thunder go for? We're all like, oh, of course, they take Steinbach from Washington. And he turns into debt left shrimp 2.0, you know what I mean? Like, who is the player there at 12? But as far as that clutter of guards, I think they all have different kind of traits that you could fall in love with. But I'm like a wagler, a cup first and then from there, you know, you can kind of pick which one you fancy. But Michele Brown, I'm excited to see what he looks like. So a cup if he goes to Brooklyn at six, yeah, the Kings will be sick. Well, they don't have their 27 Phoenix, Phoenix or Houston, one of them can switch. Houston can switch with them. So they kind of have to be good next year, right? A cuff is an investment in somebody that you're hoping, you know, can be pretty special. Who knows if he's, it's pretty rare for a point guard to come into the league and be awesome right away. And I, you know, there's, there's some feeling and some feedback about the nets that they might want to say, fuck it, let's get, we're tired of the lottery just didn't work out for us two years and a row, right? We tried to, tried to gain this system twice. Each time we got screwed, let's just trade the pick for a star. I'm going to read you some names. Sadly, I think House might be dead. I'm on a high list. I'm on a high list. They're getting a fix. Yeah, they're getting a fix. A part of my mind is concerned about House right now. I think he's on too much of a high. No, I think, maybe, maybe the D, maybe put something in his bloody marries and the drug police came, um, Palo Bancaro for the six pick. That feels like a no for Orlando. I'm just getting you some guys. Okay. I think it's a no, but I mean, Palo would say yes. Right. Well, but I guess for Orlando, it's like, we're way over the tax, we get to reboot a little bit. I, that's a no. I'm just, I'm just listing names. Look at me. Okay. People watching Jalen Williams on OKC, which would allow OKC to get out. Of all this money stuff that they have coming, they could grab, you know, somebody awesome at six, um, I don't think they would trade Jalen Williams for six. If we're moving to the top three, that becomes a different story, but six now crossing him off. Mobley gets a little more interesting, especially if Cleveland gets bounced in five. And we've seen mobile kind of level off and just be an 18 nine guy and Cleveland's way over the tax and could they just reset this? You let hard and go, maybe you trade Mitchell and this is just a complete reset. Um, Jamal Murray at 15 was the most fun one where you just put a cut fund, Denver and you put Jamal Murray on Brooklyn, you have a vet. Janus has to be mentioned. I don't know why he would go to Brooklyn if nobody was there. And then, uh, the only other one that's like a down of a Mitchell Jalen Brown, I don't see how that makes sense for Brooklyn. Yeah. Uh, the, the palo one is the one that got my attention to most. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Just because, I mean, the, the palo thing just as fascinating, I know they got to figure out the coach. I mean, you got the Wagner situation. I know Orlando would be sick to hear that, but I, uh, I'm just fascinated by him because he can turn it on. And when he does turn it on, you're like, oh, yeah, there he is. There's the franchise, you know, top 10 potential player. And then there's times where he's a little bit off and, um, I don't know. He's a fascinating situation. And I also feel like all the Yannis examples outside of Boston or the Clippers, as we've mentioned, it just feels like, well, you know, Will Smith and Fresh Prince when he's in the room by himself, you know, it's like, how many of those situations can we send Yannis into? Right. I would feel bad for him if that were to happen again. And how many years has they have left? Yeah. Right. Like, if you're training form, what are you actually getting back, um, Sacramento at seven, I think they just take whatever point cards left that don't have a point card. Mm-hmm. I think they're going to try to trade up. I think they're going to try to get the five and get eight of. I really do. Wow. I mean, that would be a godsend for the Clippers. Mm-hmm. You end up with this weird trade you made, somehow you get the fifth pick. You move backwards to get seven for Burris, who you probably would have wanted anyway. And then you get more assets and you trade it with Sacramento. There's no way that doesn't work. Atlanta has another one that I think could trade up if they got excited about a point card. Um, there are also a team, Jaylen's from Atlanta and that, that has to be mentioned. Yeah. There's a straight up Jaylen, Dice Daniels, and a contract and the eighth pick, like whatever that is. How much do you think that's possible to happen at this point with, with Jaylen Brown? I mean, because we, you know, you guys are talking about, I mean, he is so smart and cerebral. And I do feel like some of this stuff is targeted and pointed on purpose, you know? Right. Is he kind of sent the message himself that he's like, I would be interested in something like that? Because otherwise. Well, you've, you've, you've been following sports long enough now. He's doing the thing where there's just mixed signals anywhere and it's hard to tell whether he just wants everybody to be talking about him or whether he actually wants to leave or whether he actually wants to stay. And there's, there's kind of, I, there's no way you're just trying to grab it all over the map, trying to see what's happening. You have no idea. Yeah. And I honestly don't know. Like somebody asked me for percentages of if I thought Jaylen was going to be in the Celtics next year. And I was like, I don't know. 50, 50. That's crazy. It feels like a coin flip. He also won a finals in like it'd be one thing. If he, you know, when they won the championship, he did not win conference finals MVP and finals MVP. I mean, he got those. I thought that would be the end of the whole thing. I'm, I'm very confused by also, I'm so sad that we didn't get, you know, the Nick Celtic series after watching what the six were showed. I know. I mean, we're not. Yeah. Jesus Christ. We didn't even talked about that. No. Well, quickly in the lottery. Eight Dallas is nine and they have Kyrie coming back and Burris would be the dream Dallas guy here, right? Yeah. Apparently I don't. Not positive. He's going to get all the way to nine. But that's like, oh my god. What a home run putting him next to flag. There's a really fun version of how this lot of the only problem is I can't figure out what Atlanta would take. I assume at eight they would take a point card. Milwaukee's just taking whoever the highest ceiling guy has left because they're going to be able to rebuild a 10. And then can you walk me through Yaxel at Golden State at number 11? Because that just seems like everyone's just going to pencil them in there. Can you go higher than that? He isn't going to be 24. Yeah. I know Kyle man had him. I think eight or seven or eight on his big board. And Yaxel is one of those guys where he is older, which makes sense for Golden State, right? It's a team that is obviously a very old team. And I know Draymond has had that moment with Barclay talking about in Barclays like old teams. Don't win anymore. So I, you know, it's a young man's game. But I think Yaxel, my only issue with him going to Golden State is, yes, he is older. But like the maturity is not older, like his maturation does not match the age. And I do feel like, you know, you bring in another Michigan guy with Draymond, Michigan State guy, courage is resigning the extension. It's sort of running it back. Like, you don't want to recreate a whole situation in a whole problem again where Steve Kerr is like, am I, like, where am I in the twilight zone? Like, why is this happening again? Yeah. But it does like make sense on paper, defender, kind of nice insurance on the wing. You know, as Jimmy is rehabbing and getting back and he could be a nice piece for them that could be, you know, I mean, doesn't have to be a scorer by any means, but I think defensively he's a nice cog in the machine. But I still would be a little concerned about the maturation. That would, that would be the thing where the age seems like it matches. But I'm not sure that the, the, the way that he acts, well, the one that I think. So Mara, the center is anywhere from like eight to 15 to 15. That could be an okay. He moved to. Well, that's what, so I had him written down tentatively for okay. I see it 12. But I also think there's a world where they try to trade up in the top three, which I talked about Thursday. And some people are saying, because I had AJ Mitchell. and 12 for the three, and some of the feedback I was getting was AJ Mitchell's contract is so good. Why would they trade him? Why wouldn't they look at at Jalen Williams instead? And 'cause he's gonna be at like 45, 40, 48, 50, and they've proven that they can be running at all cylinders, whether he's there or not. And I was wondering like, could they trade Jalen Williams to Memphis for KCP and the three? It feels like a pressedy kind of move, right? Yeah, if you're in Memphis, they're like, holy shit, we have Jalen Williams and Cedric Howard now. And if you're okay, see, you're basically resetting the clock and you're getting some sort of, you're getting boozer, Caleb Wilson, you're getting one of those guys, maybe even Peterson. Yeah, and they know they have to break it up at some point. And also it looks like it works without Jaydub, which is crazy. And AJ has been great so far. And it's also people saying he looked like a top 50 player. So yeah, I mean, I think pressedy will be working the line. So I think that's a good call. But I think it 12 to me is where the line is to see, because like Dalen Swains in that range, a die Mars in that range. We also didn't mention Kingston Flimmings. Well, I do, I forgot to kind of mention in the cluster of guards. I do think Kingston Flimmings is pretty fascinating too. Yeah, I don't know what to make of him. And I know from what the rankings are, it seems like a lot of people, because we've seen, a little like fears, I know he's better than fears last year, but same kind of thing, like just a young athletic fast guard. What is he, where we had it felt like a big, a little more of a simpler size with Wogler and A-Cuff. Yeah. But I know Flimmings, at one point Flimmings was the, it was in all out of number five. And everything, yeah, yeah. Last thing I want to mention in the lottery, Miami's at 13. And if you factor in two teams, usually do something weird, right? Odds are they're going to get like Phylon or somebody good. And it just, they, it always happens. They got crumbotler that year. They got Tyler Hero that year. They got famed that year. They're always like kind of lingering from, in this early teens range, a couple of people screw up and all of a sudden somebody awesome. And as you know, I don't like Miami. Sounds worse. What about like Native mint there? It seems like he's dropping. He is dropping, but I just don't think there is the tools that are there. Like I'm not completely out on Native mint. I know that every time I see a new board, it's like Native bins down to like 18, 20 range. But there were talks last year going into the season where Native mint was going to be in the top four. He was going to be, you know, instead of Caleb Wilson, it was Native mint, you know? So I still think there's maybe a team that talks themselves into taking him in that 14, you know, 13 to 15 range. All right, so I'm putting on the spot. The best part from this draft will be 10 years from now. People are throwing this clip back in your face. I don't want to say it because I don't want it to get thrown back in his face, but I'm going to say it because why not? Caleb Wilson. That's not just a North Carolina thing. No, I mean, I honestly, I could take the blinders off and I could just say to myself, my God, this guy is incredible. So I mean, AJ Caleb, oh, Bernal, let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Tate just said, Tate just said he thought Caleb Wilson was going to be the best guy from this lottery in 10 years. Chris Vernon is here, by the way, host of the mismatch located in Memphis, winner of the third pick in the NBA draft. And I can't wait to hear who you want them to take. Oh, listen, this boozer Wilson debate is going to feed families. My, my family for the next month and a half. This is going to be great because I think the expectation isn't it right? The band saw go one Peter Sino go to because they don't need a four in Utah. And so the Grizzlies there sitting at three, that's going to be the debate. Everybody is going to try to decide whether or not they prefer cam boozer or they prefer Caleb Wilson. The sure thing or like what Tate says, the guy willing guy, yeah, right. The ceiling guy. Well, so who what's diving to the psyche of Memphis and the great grind Grizzlies? That was the most beloved Memphis team of all time. Who is more Memphis of those who guys? I mean, I will say that Wilson is Wilson is. There's two, there's two ways to go look at it, right? Because I don't think people would necessarily think Marcus Saul. But Marcus all is like totally embodied Memphis. Now he did go to high school there. He had an awareness of the city prior to, but he is a serious doesn't take any crap. Get the job done, right? Like he doesn't go about it in some kind of flashy way. So I think that could be viewed as blue collar. Yeah, certainly Wilson has got the whole like, I have this crazy motor, that kind of. So I think, honestly, I think both of them can fit in terms of like the city. Wilson's the kind of guy that like, well, it'll be every kid's favorite player. He'll be the one smiling. Like he's got, he's got like a personality, whereas a boozer is obviously much more business. Like, but what fans respect this guy's that, you know, especially in a blue collar town. Like Memphis, they just respect guys that give it on a step for every single night. And I think that both of them do that, right? They'd go about it in different ways. Certainly Wilson's flashier, but you could be playing against anybody. And boozer is still like, boozer doesn't have acid against anybody. And so it's just the idea that you like bring your lunch, pale to work, and you've given on a staffer every night. All right, Tate, give us your last thoughts because double house is going to come back into the zoom. It feels like we feel special, we've fixed the special effects house double during the, during the podcast. Also, he was in two feeds, but he was gone. It was a disaster. So give us your Memphis tech before we go. Who do you want them to take take? I think they should take Caleb Wilson, because I think Cedric Howard and Caleb Wilson is a fun combination. Also like John Morant, the high flying, John Morant is, that's a league past him. Yeah. Like this, you get a perfect, you get dunk highlights galore, you got two high IQ guys with Cedric Howard. That's great. I would be fun. Oh, the whole time. Did the boozer play on Chicago, the dad? Yes. I have a vague memory of him ending up there and it wasn't, wasn't great. Yeah. And let's, let's pause on the whole John Morant flying around dunking. I'm saying dunking the day and we can restart the clock on a different guy, you know what I mean? Like let's have some fun. I got to tell you, Bill, in absolute stunned disbelief that tape pervers the Carolina guy to the Duke guy. This is crazy. I know. I know. I know. I like one of the chances. I like. I know. Tate, Tate will call it like it is, but if it's a UNC guy that he loves, he's going to ride for that UNC guy. If he played Georgia, I would say the same thing. I'll say that. Tate, we'll see you on ringer tailgate this week. We're letting you go. Thanks for, thanks for hanging on, especially with the traumatic house disappear. Oh man. I'm glad we were able to go through. I'm worried about him. I hope he gets it. Thanks guys. Good to see you. Bye Tate. Burn out. How drunk is he? How drunk is house? House was fairly coherent. What? Yeah. He's popping back on right now. No chance if Memphis would have popped up one. I'm on this thing. Did you, did you feel like you just wanted to get in the four? Did you where you're like? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Because that's how, I think with this draft, you just want to be in the four. It was just, you know, whenever you go through miserable, punted seasons, you just want the end to justify the means. And so being in the top four meant that it was worth it. And, you know, like I'll give you, for instance, the very end of the season. And this is the worst thing to go through is when you're playing, when you're playing games where it's like, who wants to lose more? But you guys even talked about it, I recall there was a game that was coming up with Memphis versus Dallas. And people were like, this thing should be on league pass. Right. And Memphis was better at the end of the season at losing on purpose. Well now you look up at the end, Dallas is picking nine and Memphis is picking three. They had the same record, they had the exact same record at that game. And now every, that is how that's how sometimes this can fall. And so if you're, if you're a Dallas fan, I think you're looking at it and go, whoa, what's the point of that? We're picking nine, right? We had that the, we had that the Durant year, yeah, with the worst team, terrible. And then we felt a five, we felt in the draft, Jeff Green pick. It was, it was devastating. Oh, Bill. He hosted a bar build with Memphis Grizzly fans on ESPN. Well, that's right. You had the Mike Conley that you got Mike Conley on ESPN. We had one huge blow up doll of Greg Odin in a Memphis uniform and one huge blow up doll of Durant. And oh my God, the amount of alcohol that was consumed that night after it popped up for and the radio broadcaster for the Grizzly's like God on the stage. And he's like, Chris Bosch was drafted number four and everybody was like, we felt a five that year. And it was like, are they going to take Jeff Green or Yeezy and Lon? And I was like, shoot me. Where's the bar? The chairman. The chairman. Bruno, who are you going to take? Who are you going to take a three? Oh, I just, all right, before you came on with take was that I'll say it like I got six weeks of. Campbell's are Caleb Wilson debate. This is going to be crazy. This is going to be great because they're, look, I love both of them. I don't think there's not like a wrong choice. And that's why that's why everybody is euphoric because if you were able to get in the top four, you're not making the wrong choice. That's how it feels at least today. That way, as the lottery happened this afternoon, I was like, as long as we get in top four, I'm cool. I'll take care of you. I asked tape before you guys came on. If O.K.C. offered Jalen Williams to Memphis for the third pick and took back the Caldwell Pope expiring, would you consider it? I don't think they would because I think what's happening now. He was, what was he second or third team on the ALS? Yeah, he was like 23. Here's, here's what I tell you, but he's already signed his contract bill. Yeah. And one of the things we are learning is that I think this is only evolving where you're going to have to have major contributors on rookie contracts and probably multiple major contributors on rookie contracts. Well, that was like the Celtics with Joe Mizzoula in the playoffs when as like Hugo and, oh, no, they didn't play them. But tactically, I agree with you. No, I think you're right. That is what's going to happen because what ends up happening is because you can have second tier stars, right? So Desmond Bainsons of Max and Franz Wagner gets his under 80 million. And so then you've got, because that's the only way you're going to keep these guys is by paying them. But there's only so many that actually probably move the needle enough. And then if you accumulate a couple of them, now that's got to be good enough, right? Like right. And you're up against it. And so I do think that the value of the value now more than ever is getting these guys that are can contribute immediately because now you get them for four years. And you've got a good enough, you're able to build out. You think about even what I just went through with the Grizzlies. Yeah. The best team was when those guys were on the rookie deals, right? That was that that's when you were able to have Tyus Jones, the Anthony Melton and Kyle Anderson and Brandon Clark and like your bench was really good too. But I think kind of the only way you can have like you're either going to overpay a bunch of starters, right? And or you're going to have these guys on rookie deals. I think the best teams are going to be young. I do. Well, that's why the the Celtics are in such an interesting spot with Jalen here. If they can try to trade, you know, that that would be one of the clouds, especially with the way that Tate and I talked about how the draft broke where you have like Brooklyn at six is like, well, we don't want to suck again. Can we get a star for this pick or a lane at eight? And could the Celtics end up? If that's what if Jalen does want to leave or they decide, maybe it's time is that the kind of trade it if Yannis isn't sitting there trying to get a young guy back on a cheaper on a cheaper thing and then try to spend the money elsewhere is the way you agree that. How so would you rather keep Jalen and make a run at it? So I think you're not that far away if you have both Tatum and Brown. And we kind of have a good track record of that based on this. And that's Jalen wants his own team or that's where the problem would you at some point somebody needs to sit down with him and get to the bottom of this so that we're not dealing with this nonsense, you know, 15 year old drama, silliness, the Twitch and whatever. Can that person not be traced to migrating? Oh, I thought that was. Did you see that? I was so happy. What was that? I didn't actually talk to Jalen. I just saw I noticed the body language. And I was also down three one and blew it. And I know how frustrated that. What are you saying? Also Jalen just said this was the best year of his career. So his body language was bad. I think that was a mess, man. They should have rehearsed that one better. We know you talk to Jalen Brown. It's fine. Just fucking a minute. I want to say, though, to Verna's point that here in Washington, the defense that the decision makers offer up for why they traded deniavia was because of wanting a core group of guys all between ages 19 and 22 that are basically on the same contract trajectory and let them all come together at the same time. That's why this number one pick is especially valuable for the Washington situation. Because now you have four or five guys that are all in that same class, that same category. And it will say if any of them actually, you know, if it plays out, but promising saw our promising Kishan George, promising well, Riley, promising this number one overall pick. And you put a veteran or two into it and it's interesting. Well, and you really just need two of them to hit, right? Because look, Oklahoma cities was able to move off of Gidey. Gidey was a hit, right? Like that's a hit pick. And then by the time it was time to pay him, they're able to swing that into Caruso because they had other ones that were going to hit. Right. Well, okay, see, we got to talk about them really quick. There's seven of know in the playoffs. We haven't talked basketball at all. We've been talking about the lottery for a full hour. Seven of know in the playoffs. I talked about Thursday night that say, Jay Mitchell situation where, you know, he's going to make $3 million a year next year. And this is a guy who feels like he could almost run his own team at this point. They're, they have the big Jay Williams contract and big SGA and chat. And they're going to have to do some gymnastics pretty soon. They have this 12th pick, which to Verna's point, this is what you want to do. You want to keep replenishing with these guys in the first four years. And it's just, it just feels like they're going to be in this situation over and over again the rest of the decade. It's really starting to feel like they could be in the finals or the Western finals, 60 plus wins here for, I don't know, next seven, eight years. And this 12 pick is going to be a good player. And you didn't even mention, right? They got the Sorbera kid. He doesn't touch the floor. He doesn't. And, and tope it. He doesn't touch. I mean, they got. And Wiggins doesn't play anymore. That guy, that guy would have played minutes for real teams this year. Oh, for sure. He's just like that. Yeah, we, well, no, we don't, we didn't play sub sows. So before the lottery, I was on a FaceTime with my dad for 15 to 20 solid minutes. He's still really upset about the six or series. And the next series made it worse. Watch in the nicks, which that game happened tonight. It was a sweep. It was embarrassing. It was really the most humiliating weekend you could possibly have in Philly, where you not only get waxed by the nicks, but you have 70 to 75%. Like for real of nicks fans in there, just completely taking over the building. And then by the end of it, you go from a week ago, where you had the highs of this game seven. Oh my God, Paul George is in a disaster. Hey, and beads back. Maxi, Edgecomb. And it's so exciting to a week later, being like, is there all going to get fired? What's going to happen? I was just going to play out. Um, I just, my dad was just like, why didn't we do that against Philly? Why didn't we put in being and pick them pop stuff? Why didn't we just pound Maxi? Like what the fuck were we doing? Yeah, especially with the way that obviously they've got a both dominant guard and Brunson is a drop coverage demolisher, right? It was like, I don't care what a statue. He was unplayable against them because there's no, there's no good choice to make. You cannot hide him. And to Mike Brown's credit, he was not going to let him be hidden. He was going to be put in every single action until you either pull them off the court or you just lived with us bombing you out. And they just lived with getting bombed out. Yeah. Well, they did that with the Celtics too. And we didn't make any of the threes, but I said in fact, we attacked and beat like that house. Well, I want to be as respectful as possible, but like this version of Celtics fandom, you guys are fucking delusional. You weren't good enough. You didn't have the talent. Ojio Nanobi, whose name I'll never get, right? And Call Anthony Towns are better than what the Celtics put out in terms of front court. Like you had no answer for for mb or any of that the size. They had no answer for Paul George playing, playing defense. The next are better. The nicks are better than the Celtics. And the next round. That's why I told my dad. And I told my dad, we might have been saved by actually getting our ass kicked in a real way by the next, especially if Tatum was 100%. So well, because then it convinces you that like a that we got this many wins because we gave an honest effort every night. We were try hard, right? Yeah, try hard. When the playoffs come around, get exposed because you can't just win. Yeah, by by with depth and playing hard team. What was your Memphis team like that recently? Like four or five years ago, you had a team like that for three or three years ago. It's why people didn't believe in them, right? It's like because when it comes when it comes playoff time, like there might be the one Luke con our game or there might be the time Jones game. But then as you as you go up levels in the playoffs, they are just going to hone in on that. And then you're going to find out like, okay, I've actually got really five that can play in this. I don't really have 10 that can play in this. I mean, hell, we even even in the Minnesota series during one of the Grizzly's best seasons, they made the Grizzly's bench, Stephen Adams and played Xavier Tillman at set. center because towns just played him off the floor completely. They were like, and that was in the first round of the playoffs. It's like, once you can, if you given honest effort and you play hard every single night, you can win a lot of regular season games. And I'll give Missoula in the Celtics credit for doing that, but I think House is right. When it came down to talent, in the end, it's still, you know, Namias Cata and it's still right. It's not your fault. It's not the Celtics fault that M.B. came back and was capable of being effective. You couldn't really game plan for M.B. being part of the playoffs series. Also, how, who could have predicted Derek White being awful? Like, not like, I know. Well, they put a lot of other games. He was awful. One of the things we were talking about was Paul George comes back from the suspension. By the way, Skip Bayless, who I can't say I'm a fan of, the playoff P-P-E-E was legitimately funny. I'm curious. We didn't come up with that joke. We've been together. We never. How do we not come up with playoff P-E-E was so good. But he comes back and he's got his legs. And B.D. comes back from, I got only knows where he was. And he has his legs for a week. And then by the time they got to these last two mixed games, both of them looked like the guys that we picked at our worst contract straps. So they got this little thing. I still feel like the Celtics were a little better than a tryhard team when Tatum came back. I just think the whole thing of bringing him back mid season combined with them bailing on the bench was pretty weird. You also started three guys that never play in games. That was desperate. That was desperate. The Rharper start will live in infamy. Nobody, nobody still does what happened with that. When we talk about the next quick, they've won three seven straight games. Some of it can be attributed to using towns and running more stuff through him and some of the passing, which has been really impressive and becoming less Brunson centric. They had a shitload of threes today. They were making, they were nine for ten at one point from three in the first quarter. But what they've done for towns, which I was kind of wondered why they didn't do it. Maybe I didn't know if he had it in them. But what they did, it just feels like they're more interesting now house. It's incredible. And I give Mike Brown a ton of credit. This streak of assists that he's he's gotten at least six assists in however many straight games. And tonight, you know, I think he had seven assists in the first quarter. And they were real assists. They're not like, I passed you a shot and you dribbled and took a three. They're like backdoor layups and hitting guys, cutting and stuff. The thing to me with this next team is they have shown us now twice, both in two different closeout situations that they have another level. And that's what's scary for this run that they're on because they did the exact same thing to it. Right. Like yeah. How can they make all of these buckets and get rolling so quickly in a first quarter and basically put the game out of reach in a first quarter? They did it twice. That validates what they did to Atlanta. And the sixers, you know, I think comparing them to Atlanta, that was a more formidable foe, a more formidable situation, even though they had them down 3 0. But for sure, they are they they flew today. They were at a different kind of place altogether in terms of the speed and the force that they played that first quarter. And the game was over. Yeah. That's that's twice, right? That's twice that they've done it. I a team with theoretically, their backs against the wall should have a grand slam effort and they just humiliated them. I mean, you look at those seven game winning streak. They won by 16. They won by 29. They won that last game, been Atlanta by 51. And then you go in this series. And they were they had a 39 point win, a 14 point win in game three. That was actually not even as close and then the blowout in this game. I like when I'm seeing blowouts in the playoffs with the team. Like that, that's a different level. That tells you like not only that's I was the teams that fall behind always makes me nervous. And what's weird is the nicks were one of those teams that they always felt like they were down 8 10 with, you know, eight minutes left. Now, now they're blowing everybody out. They look really good. I mean, this is probably the best time to be a nicks fan. I would say since 1994, where you feel like holy shit. We have a real chance now to win even last year. You know, they obviously were the favorites in the Indiana series. They just beaten the Celtics, but they weren't supposed to beat the Celtics. That was a weird series. Like they're kicking asses now. And I don't know. I like I actually do you think they go toe to toe with one of these West teams? Burn out from what you've seen. Yeah, I do. I also think that like Detroit was mega physical against them and really body them this year. So like if they can get through that, if they can get through, because I think it will eventually be New York and Detroit. And go look at those games this year. Detroit pumped them out. And so we'll see. I do think they would need like full on OGN and OB to be able to deal with that, right? Cause again, you're going up a level. But if they get past that, because they'll be battered and bruised by the time they get through there. But for sure, I mean, I, it's very plausible that we could see, you know, we saw them in the in season tournament for what it's worth, right? At the very end. And you know, that's so nice of you to bring that up. But you're a man. I like it. But everybody care when some Adam Silver Brownie points. No, they did care. Well, look, Adam Silver's on my good list. We popped up three house popped up one. Like that's true. He's I'm cool today. Well, you know what happened. Nick right now and talked about on Tuesday, all the mean stuff LeBron said about the city and they had to. Oh, yeah, vicious, vicious comments. It wasn't just him, but we got dog piled all year, all year. Dreywood. Can we be a home to Memphis? Can we build a, a four floor mandarin oriental or a montage? I mean, we can't do that, Bruno. I don't know. You're the richest guy. I know it. He unlisted it. 41 nights a year plus playoffs. Right. We at least I was going to be booked sometimes. I agree. I've never heard a hotel. What is the hotel that gets this much hatred? We had influencers going down there. Yeah. Yeah. This is amazing. The higher they, I don't mean like in the end, the west that I suppose the one across the street. I mean, it's, I guess it's not up to their, their. NBA people, NBA people in Joe House love, love a good hotel. I stayed at that high it and actually I was there at the same time because I went and visited Verno, did the show with Verno. And it was during the season and both Dallas Mavericks were in for a couple of bites and then Houston was in. I was in an elevator with Shengoon. And it's a very nice high it, but it is not like what they encounter in other cities. It's a super easy walk straight down the street to the. But they want big ass sweets. They want good room service. They want all that. And those were. That's what the big conspiracy is. We ain't enough. He can't import some. I mean, we don't have enough. I guess we don't have flight either. We're taping this before game four of Timberwell of Spurs. What Wendy did on Friday that was terrifying. This, this will, who knows what's going to happen in game four. But that was, I thought such a fascinating game. Just for the future, the league that somebody aged 22 could do that. I got this email. That I thought was. Kind of kind of broke my brain about about the Wembee situation we're in. Basically, so it's this guy, Bradley from LA, Laker fan. And he said, if you look at all the guys who became Hall of Famers, who won titles, who were under the age of like 24, which is basically Magic Johnson, Kobe, Kareem, Duncan, Wade, Kauai and Bill Russell. That's the list. All of them had an older, awesome teammate that helped them win. So Magic had Kareem, Kobe had checked, Kareem had Oscar Robertson, Duncan and Robinson, Wade had checked, Kauai had Duncan and Parker, Anginobi and Russell had Koozy and Charmin. So the question is, does this mean the Spurs are going to lose or does this mean Wembee is great enough to break history and become the first guy. I was like, I actually don't need a Hall of Fam older team. And I'm going to do this myself. How good is he to you house? Like, what's the ceiling for you as we head into the next five weeks here? I hate to confess this. I'm still stuck on my old guy mindset. I mean, the evidence keeps piling up that he is a one of one capable of sort of vanquishing the entire, you know, 20, 30 year longer than that history that we've built up that you, there needs to be their steps to this. So they need to go in and take a loss. I thought that game one against Minnesota was like, welcome to the playoffs. That's our, you know, they ran through Portland without too much trouble. The first game where they had a team come out with playoff intensity, the playoff physicality, you know, they were constantly in the Wembee's chest at his legs the entire game was that game one. And yet the ability for San Antonio and Wembee, they just very coolly calibrate reset. And that game three, it really challenges the, the old Artifice. Yeah, and maybe this is a new era, Verna. Yeah, you know, there's part of me that thinks it might be and it goes back to what I was saying about teams being young. I remember years ago on the mismatch, I did this whole bit where I think the Celtics had lost at some point and maybe they were like when the J's were like around 25 and I was like look, you go back and look through the history of the NBA and everybody's like 27 before they do it for the first time. And that is Michael Jordan and that is LeBron James and that is Steph Curry and that is Shaq. And name the great player. They're generally 20 27 or older. And so we have this expectation, but the history of the NBA tells us that and then the honest did it at 26. And then Gilges Alexander did it last year. I think it 26. And so that number may just keep getting lower. It might like, you know what I mean? Like because I've already had to lower it from 27. It's like, yeah, we got to kind of got to wait until they're 27. You know, they become men. They've probably settled down. You know, they figured out, you know, they figured out the game. They've got a lot of reps and whatever. But it's interesting if there is anybody that would be different, it certainly stands to reason that it would be him because he is, I think we throw around that he is unlike anything we've ever seen. And he's truly unlike anything in the history of the world. So right. Why not him? I was text and don't ask, but I was texted about Caitlin Clark with a couple of people yesterday about. Well, I don't ask. Well, it was, it was, it was David Letterman house. We are David Letterman and John Stewart. Of course it was. No, of course it was. No, but she, she had a, like, not a great first game, right? And, and I was, I was thinking of my head about comparing her to Wembee, where same kind of spotlight, same kind of being tested by everyone in the league over and over again. And in Caitlin's case, it doesn't seem like she's handled it 100 percent well. Like last year it felt like the entire league was, was coming at her, right? And really trying to test her and be physical with her and really seem like almost like the other people on the other teams like genuinely disliked her. And she was in all these non sports conversations and, um, you know, kept bringing, getting brought in as a political tool and it didn't seem like she was enjoying that part. It felt like, to me, like, I know nothing, but it felt like a little bit or her joy was gone. And some people, it's a lot when it's all getting thrown at you, right? And I look at Wembee and he's the opposite. Wembee's like, fucking bring it on. I've been training for this my whole life. You're going to be physical with me. I'm going to make you pay. And I think that's been the most impressive thing to me that at age 22, he's wired the way he's wired where he's got so much fuck you and him already. But nobody resented. I heard the mess of them. Nobody resents him though. That, that, that league presented Caitlin Clark. They resented the fact that that's all anybody wanted to talk about, but they're also, right? Like they've kind of been there. They've done that. They, they're, they're great players in their own, right? You know, the Asia wills since of the world had been winning MVPs and championships. And yet it's like all anybody wanted to talk about was Caitlin Clark. And so it had this resented that it was enough you could chip away it because the difference with Wembee, right? Is if you play against him or you even go see him in person. I know we've all had the same experience. You're just like, holy shit. Just this is like, even three, you saw him in person, right? Has this like three times crazier than I was expecting. And so I haven't seen him in person yet. But I just would say, it's a luxury for Wembee. He's arrived in a very well established league with a well established collective bargaining agreement and pay, you know, pay structures. I mean, they brought him along how they could. The situation with the WNBA was radically different. And Caitlin Clark arrives with a giant fan base. She dragged people over to that product because they were so enamored up for college performance. She was a one of one in college in terms of that shooting. And she reminded us of Steph Curry, like, wow, we haven't seen anybody shoot like this before. And now I'm a fan of Steph. And she came over and all of a sudden there's eyeballs, lots of eyeballs on the WNBA for the first time. And they're in the middle of about the collective bargaining agreement that's about to expire. And the entire pay scale needs to be reset. And the TV deals need to be all reset. And she did bear the brunt of a lot of that because she was the one that generated the interest to propel the whole thing upwards. The prices they're getting for expansion teams. She singularly, to my way of thinking, is responsible for the entirety of that. And she missed most of the last season by being hurt. And so all she had. And the team did well with that. Which is right. Yeah. Yeah. There's ways to pick at it. It's interesting though. Yeah. So we'll see with Wembee today. She's way more famous too. Way more famous. Do you think your wives know who Victor Wembee is? I think this the last couple of months. I think it's been happening. Do you think your wife knows who Victor Wembee is? No, she definitely does because she does. The TV is on basketball. That's not fair for me. That's a 15 year old too. I just don't think that he's not famous like she is. She was there. Was there any PCU that thought, okay, see, was going to lose again to the Lakers? No, not after and not after watching that stupid Houston series. I mean, that was so abominable that you watched that and it was like, I mean, that's it felt like two non-play-off teams that we were forced to watch playing each other in the playoffs. Yeah. How that ended up being the worst matchup, but it was a four five. I felt like they were the two worst teams. Well, because they didn't have Luke and they didn't have to harass me. I mean, it was, it was pretty rough to watch. And so, and again, another team that can expose you like Oklahoma City and and you know that like you have no chance unless your turnovers are low. That's your only chance against Oklahoma City is playing with low turnovers and they're going to go out with a back court of Marcus smart and Luke Canard. Yeah, I mean, that's that's a tough pill. It's sad. It's going to be really interesting to see who's at that game tomorrow because it's clearly going to be a sweep. It's a Monday night. It's not like, okay, see fans are taking it over. I think it's going to have, it's going to be definitely a weird energy game. Plus, how's the Laker fans lost their celebrity row title? The next fans are just murdering them. Oh, and this is a route. I think Boston might have better celebrity fans than the Lakers at this point. I love what you're doing, it's it's not comparable. I mean, this next team has legit ambition to get to the Eastern conference finals. It was always Eastern conference finals or bust for the next team. That's what they did last season. The energy entering the season was high. The Lakers were always a work in progress and and you know Los Angeles as well as anybody now that you've been there for 25 years. It's a sea to be seen kind of placed. You want to be seen in a place where real fans to though. I got to as much as I can't stay in the Lakers. I got to give them the court size. We're talking about the real fans. We're talking about the court size. They've never replaced the order of Jack. I remember writing about this like 15 years ago. They've never Leo never really wanted it. Honestly. He kind of let down the fan base. You know, it person. Yeah, it's like, it's an embrace it. She'll be at road. He wants it. Yeah. She'll allow me at road games. Spike Spike Lee and She'll allow me at road games. That's it. That's a different level, right? Like we to travel to the game. I know it's close travel, but still to have your to have your, you know, your celebrity fans in the opposing arena. That's something. Yeah. Then it guy in Los Angeles right now or or gal that you could put court side that would capture the moment and that would feel like, oh, this this is taking it up a notch. I mean, I think you have to go music. So I was like, I think they have to go. I think they'd have to grab Kendrick. Ironically, the guy that handles his career Anthony, a huge Laker fan, obviously doesn't care about the Lakers. He won't put Kendrick at a game. He told me to, yeah, he told me to whip my dick out on the show today because he knew how excited I was. Yeah, but maybe you have to do more musicians and not to the, not to the actors as much. Well, they feel got flee right? Yeah, that's the thing. They haven't replenished. It's like a, it's like an aging contender that has been replenished their thing. You know, what I just thought of? Who? Where's my man Jimmy Goldstein? He's still, he's going all these games. He didn't put him on camera anymore. I don't know. There's, there's the story there. Oh, there is. Yeah. Wow. He used to, he used to be a, he used to show him in every game. It doesn't help what we're talking about. We want somebody that's 30 years older or to, you know, under the age of 40. Last topic, before we go, Detroit Cleveland. I had Cleveland, yesterday I wagered on them. And they barely pulled it out and they wouldn't have pulled it out of if James Harden didn't turn back into James Harden for like three minutes. He sucked the whole game. And then for three minutes became James Harden again. Cleveland, I don't think it's lost a home game, right? In the playoffs and. Oh, dad, time out. 20 seconds. Yeah. Would you have rather lost the bet and Harden missed all those shots? Or have Cleveland? Yeah. Just for the Harden story. Now I wanted to win the bet. You wanted to win the bet. Yeah. I needed one after I. And it's way, it's way. The next one is, wait. The nicks have been profitable as well. House. We have an admin. We've been grabbing the next. Yes. Well, you could have a minus 30. the next four minus like one and a half today. Like who thought Philly was winning today? I thought that was crazy. Crazy. But what do we think happens? What do we think happens in Cavs pistons here? Do you believe did the Cavs do anything to make you believe in them or no? No. I do not believe the Cavaliers are going to beat the pistons. I have Detroit in five. I think they win game four and game five. I do. It's a weird one because I don't feel like Cleveland's playing the right lineups. Now, granted I'm a guy in my couch in LA. You know, and I'm not spending every minute with the team, but like unless Sam Merrill's heard, I don't understand why they're not playing him more. I don't understand why they only play one big instead of two. I don't understand why they play Wade. When every time Wade's in, it feels like it's a disaster. I would have pulled Harden. I know Harden came through it out of the stretch. I wouldn't have played him in the last six minutes because he's such an offensive liability. But I don't know. Do you think it just seems like Ackinson's going to go down with the ship with the two bigs, Harden and Mitchell and a shooter. And he's like, I guess this is Winter Lewis. I don't know if I agree. I also think that, you know, I know JB Bicker staff from his time in Memphis. And I know he feels he got he feels like he got screwed there like that he got blamed there and he and he coached Donovan Mitchell and he coached Evan Mobley and he coach Jared Allen and he coached James Harden when he was in Houston. He knows all those guys. So if there's anybody that knows how to make those guys look like a semblance of, you know, or a shell of themselves, it would be him. A guy that has really, he's been, he knows what, you know, the way to defend those guys. He watched it every night. He coached all of those guys. And so I am unsurprised that he's got a good game plan against those guys to make them super uncomfortable. Also, they just don't have, I don't think they have the requisite toughness. I just don't like they just they, they, they, they, no, no, no, because he's a no G. Where's that? Where's that mobile yet? Also, like how would they give up wide open threes at the worst possible times? So team that's not even that good at shooting threes other than Robinson. Kays the best guy in the series. Cleveland's going to be the most interesting offseason team. I think if they, if Verna's right and they lose the next two, did you say that or how states that? No, I think I agree with him. I agree. Yeah. So if that happens, I'm prepared for anything with Cleveland. And also like, you know, Mitchell at this point, there's a small piece missing with him in these playoff games that Brunson seems to have, which is ironic because Mitchell was the guy the next one at all the time. And maybe this will be the Mitchell moment because this Detroit team is a bitch to play against, right? They have all these dudes they could throw at him and throw it hard in. But I don't know. It's like, I keep waiting for his moment. And maybe it's just going to be one of those careers where it never happens. You know, or the next team or the next team, maybe it'll be a Memphis. So we all think we all think this sends in five. Yes. I mean, I know I do. Yeah. All right. So that would be that's plus 240 on Fandall. Oh, okay. Yeah. They must be this. Then they're obviously the underdog tomorrow night. So that's a, I mean, because they're going to be favored in five. No matter what happens tomorrow night plus three and a half tomorrow. Yeah. No matter what happens tomorrow night, they're going to be favored in game five. All right. We're going to go because San Antonio Oklahoma up. Can't San Antonio, Minnesota. Who do you guys think? Who do you? Who would you take? I want to get you both on the record right now. I'll let you change in the next month and a half. But if you had the third pick and it was the bandsta, I'll give you the bandsta house, the bandsta Peterson. And then the debate that I'm going to be having with everybody for the next six weeks is going to be Wilson or Booser. Before you came on, I told Simmons and Tate that I think that Caleb is more of a Memphis kind of player, the dynamic ability. He could be a three or a four. I think he fits what I've come to understand is what your decision-makers like. They like that flexibility. And if that kid can play defense the way that center coward plays defense, that's pretty formidable. I heard you last week, Bill. You love Wilson. I do. There's no way you can watch these playoffs and not think boy, he fits in these. Yeah, it's funny, because the way that draft fell, Memphis got free. And Booser just seemed like such a clear Memphis guy, just because, you know, competitive. I liked how he handled himself, even when they fell apart and when his brother screwed up the NCAA game. And he was just like, he was the only one that didn't seem rattled by it. But I think the Wilson upside is I just can't believe the tape with him. I don't want to say he really seems special. But I do, I do think number one, the Memphis front office loves analytics. And they also in this new era, I do think are going to try to atone for the mistakes made with Morant, right? They want to make it all about the team, not elevate a star above everybody else that then gets bigger than the operation. And I think that that led to a lot of the things that ended up, you know, the car went off the cliff. And Booser is like, he is as safe as safe come. There is zero percent chance he's going to suck. There's a pretty good chance he's going to be awesome. And there's a hundred percent chance. Well, I don't want to say a hundred, but a 80 percent chance, you never hear. I don't even know if he's on social media, right? He's not a full character, not contour. Yeah, nothing controversial. He's like, it's like the anti. It's like in a romcom. He's like, they're heading toward the wedding in the in the beginning of the romcom. And he's like the perfect guy on paper. He's got everything. And yet, yeah, Caleb Wilson's over there, he's like the bartender, like, whoa, look at that guy. And all of a sudden, we have a love triangle. Caleb Wilson, if you, there's YouTube clips of him, you just watch 10 minutes of him. And you're like, is this guy Sean Kim cross with the others? I know. And he's so electric. And I keep thinking of him and Caleb together. So you have that. But then you have Memphis, grit and grind, analytics. This guy is just like a guaranteed. So it's a really tough one. But it might be Memphis's one chance to get like a super duper star. I don't think Caleb. I don't think Cambuser is going to be a super duper star. I think who I think he'll be a star and like a couple all NBA second or third teams kind of guy. But Caleb Wilson could be like, I don't know what he's going to be house. I'm literally prepared for anything. I agree. They're too good to say choices though, Bruno. I don't think it's a good one. Well, if you threw him in like him and Basilis would have some crazy ass dunks in Chicago. They would make the balls fun for the first time forever. Well, Tate made the key point. Like Caleb is a chip on the shoulder guy. And if you if he's fourth and a class of four. Oh, yeah. That's it. It's like boom, going on there. The great thing is you can't lose. Yeah. Like and it's a position you needed. Oh, yeah. You traded Jay and Jackson, which I, as you know, I supported that trade. We argued about Jay and Jackson a million times. I was never a giant fan. I'm pretty sure your current place is 5.7 rebounds a game. I don't know if you've figured out how to how to put those together yet. One of the guys we argued about was Mobley, by the way. True. Maybe everybody, maybe everybody was the loser. We're all we're all and the other thing is this. We also got lucky because Sacramento ain't up there and Brooklyn ain't up there. And those are Marant Homes. Those are possible, right? That if you don't hit the lot, if you just cramped on your fans again and you missed out and you're not going to get a new shiny toy to sell those sweets and season tickets. Right. You got to think Marant's gone. Whatever happens. Yeah. That's your take. Yeah. But I mean, and maybe you push Marant and 16 in and now you're moving up again. Like I do think that I do think that because it could have gone different. If like Sacramento or Brooklyn ends up with the bandsta or like say they went one two in this or one three in this. Maybe it's a little different world. But I do think that those are possible landing spots when the trade stuff comes around just because they're going to need something to sell. And he is fun to sell. He is fun. As long as he plays, he is fun. I Brooklyn could be your outcome there. Last thing before we go. Okay. See right now is minus 170 to win the title on Fandall. San Antonio is plus 320. The nicks are plus 750. What's your favorite bett of those three Bernal? So I think I would say just odd wise nicks. Yeah. I think I say. Yeah. I mean, I need 50 is like more gods. Yeah. Is old and an OB going to be able to be 100% by the time we get to the NBA finals. And it almost feels like if he's not, then I don't like it. And honestly like Look, Oklahoma City's obviously, that's last on that. How about this? What is Detroit plus a billion? Like, I mean, it gets, like, 18 to one. Oh, wow. I mean, again, Minnesota 150 to one, although that game is starting right now. Yeah, I think that, uh, yeah, I think probably Minnesota missed their game three was they, if they could have beaten San Antonio in game three with Wendy having a game like that, they just couldn't hit a shot. Welcome McDaniel's was like five for 22, like, nothing was going in, Randall was bad. All right, Berna, we can listen to you on the mismatch. Yep. Um, I'm excited to hear where you finally. We're, so you've landed on Caleb, it's out. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm not late. I'm not late. So you made us pick and then you didn't even do a lean. I think he's the milking. He's got six weeks. If you put, if you put my head on a G&T today, I tell you they take boozer. But I want to watch this whole thing play out. I'm a lean toward, uh, I'm a lean toward Caleb Wilson. But by Mayper for Wilson by the time it all comes around. Yeah, it's gonna be a fun six weeks. And would you rather have house take the bands or would you rather move back a spot and flip picks with you time, grab some stuff? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, do not do this. No, you get AJ DeBanston. All right. The first time I heard about AJ DeBanston, he was 13. And the guy told me it said, I just saw the next one. And I've had that. I'm telling you, the people with the legend of Peterson, there's legend of Peterson also is out there. No, the band, no, the bandsta, the bandsta is going to be a major, major star. You can opt to bands up star in 22 games of Anthony Davis before he gets her. It's going to be amazing. He's on the trade block. You guys see that thing going around about how the way to get the number one pick is to trade for Anthony Davis. It's the last three, three times. What was the third time it was Dallas did it? Pelicans, right? Or no, no, no, they traded him though. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They haven't traded yet. You do trade him. Yeah, you have to trade him. I think it's like it follows like the horror movie. All right. Thanks to Verna. Thanks to Joe House, technical difficulties. We made it work. We made it work. Thanks to our guy, Tate Frazier. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well. New rewatch was coming tomorrow. Tropic Thunder, exciting stuff. Congrats to these two guys. The first, the third picks in the NBA lottery. And we'll see you next Sunday night on Netflix. 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