"The Winning Message in Politics Is Envy" – Adam Carolla

(dramatic music) - The right message in terms of getting elected today is we're gonna get you a bunch of free shit. I'm going to get you all this stuff so that you can live in dignity. They are robbing that person of dignity. I don't know when the government taking care of you became the definition of a dignified life. I thought those people were losers. When you're in your 30s and your parents take care of you, you're a loser. When the government take care of you, you're super loser. Listen, Johnny, you work hard and you study, you one day can be like Mr. Jenkins and live in the big house and drive them or save you. And now the dad says to the son find a rock so we can throw it at them or save you. That's where we're at. This is the insidious part of what the politicians are doing. They are breeding that out of people. Do you love drinking great coffee and f***ing people off at the same time? And trigger fuel is for you. It's our coffee brought to you by first cup and not only does it taste great, it would also upset all the right people who says men can't multitask. Trigger fuel is available at the link in the description of this episode. We'll just go to fuel.triggerpot.co.uk. Adam Corolla, welcome back to Trigger Nometry. Thanks for having me back. I was saying to Francis, I measure American electoral cycles in Adam Corolla's. It's like one Adam. 'Cause we have you after every big election. Yeah, I know. And you're wearing the wrong color for what happens. Oh my gosh. I know after that blue wave tsunami, whatever we call it. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, everyone's kind of talking about finding the right candidates and the right message. But I, my view is a little more bleak than that. Like the right message in terms of getting elected today is we're going to get you a bunch of free shots. And that's about the end. Or maybe I don't know, you know, polish ice, defund that whatever, you know, open the border. Like I don't know if the right, you know, if the right message, like who are we talking to? 'Cause what used to be the right message is, you know, we're going to be tough on crime. We're going to lower your taxes. Your school systems are going to be great. The border's going to be locked tight. And jobs and everything else. And now it's something else. Like it's about, you know, freedom and dignity and free bus rides. By the way, is anyone need a free bus ride? Like public transportation. Do you know a person that cannot afford public transportation and if you can't afford public transportation, then you don't have a job. So it sort of takes care of itself. But the message, you know, with the socialist, democratic socialist and all the sort of free this and then sort of with a dusting of like Islamic that and then a little screw Trump in there and F America sort of baked in. I don't know what the right message would be to get elected. It wouldn't be America's great, you know, I love this country and I want to lower your taxes. - No, well, I think, look, I think back to two years ago when you were on the show, it was right after Trump won the presidency, winning both the electoral college and the popular vote. The Republicans won the Senate, they won the House, they literally had everything. And the mood, I remember what the mood was like. And I think you have to acknowledge in this situation that Trump with the Iran War really squandered a lot of that goodwill and support that he had because up until that moment he was kind of crushing it, right? - Yeah, I mean, you know, then it kind of comes down to, well, I mean, I'm not really defending Trump but let's remove Trump from the equation. I'm just saying, you voted for a guy. The guy thinks he's gonna do something that's necessary but unpopular. Would you want that person doing that thing that was necessary yet? You knew he could risk votes and party votes and Senate seats and stuff like that. Like if this was a movie, then the hero would do the thing that was unpopular even though it cost him, you know, it could be a principle of the school going, I'm standing up for what I know is right, then they go, you're gonna get fired if you do that and then he says, I don't care if some things are more important than a job or whatever. So, you could spin it, so here's my head on it. You can spin it that what did he start that stupid war for? He just cost the Republicans all this stuff, what an idiot. And then you could go, what a hero, he did it in knowing that it was probably gonna end up this way. So that's character and then you go, but now we're not sure if we needed the war or not. So that's the in-between part, you know, but just to say like a rance horrible, they've been horrible, they're always horrible, they're always funding some death cult disorder. And in terms of putting them out of their misery, I'm all for that. I know we do a thing where we go, no foreign wars, but I don't know blowing up people that like blowing up people and constantly blow up people. I'm sort of all right with, you know, I can't say to tell anymore like in terms of foreign wars, like what is real and what isn't real 'cause we always get some story about, you know, weapons of mass destruction that are hidden, but they're there, you know, we've had a long history of bombing the wrong people or spending too much time in places we shouldn't have been at in the first place. Like I don't really know who to believe anymore, but it would be nice if Iran was no longer Iran. I mean, that I get. And then I get that it basically costs the Republicans the House and the Senate, but on the other hand, I don't know to not have an Iran, maybe it's worth it. - I think the issue is for most ordinary people, is that they believe that Trump wasn't gonna take them into more wars he has done. They feel betrayed and then also there's the economic element of it because, you know, rising diesel prices, rising prices not only with diesel, but also the cost of living. There's a real anger and frustration there, which I kind of get. I don't think the Democrats are gonna do anything to solve these problems, but I understand. - Yeah, I think, you know, I think the main, you know, I'm from here, so gas is always more than ever where else in the nation. - Here is California, okay. - Sorry, here is California. And then also the Democrats, I mean, the first thing Biden did was cancel the Keystone Pipeline and stop drilling and everything. So I have no idea what their new allegiance is to cheap gas, that's weird because they, all they want to do is stop fracking and cancel pipelines and pull drilling permits and so it's a little dubious to me that they're all some very concerned about fuel prices, but I get the average person. I think where Trump really screwed the pooch is really just the economy. Like, and, you know, 'cause you go no foreign wars, but kind of like, I don't know, there's no boots on the ground. People aren't coming home and coffins. It's like, it's not the top of everyone's mind. Everyone kind of agrees that Ryan's a piece of shit and they shouldn't have nukes and so on and so forth. I don't really think it's so much that. I do think it's the economy. Like, just everything is super expensive and it bothers people here. Like, like, you know, Ryan is something that I think the people that are really sensitive and really, you know, into the minutiae and the weeds can be bothered by, but the going to the gas station or going to to buy groceries. Like, it is, you know, especially if you're, you know, I went to, I don't know, El Puyo Loco bought me and my son like three pieces of chicken. It was like 28 bucks and I'm like, what? Like, so there's that. I mean, that, I think, I think it's the economy more than the war. I think he ran on the economy. I mean, it's always no foreign wars, I get it. But it was, I think if people, I think if the prices were down at the grocery store, people, people would continue to vote, you know, Republican and Trump. I think it's the economy that really got people's stuff has not come down. Well, the, the argument would be, I think that because of the war, the price of fertilizer, of diesel, of gas, what you guys call gas, of what we call gas, all of that. Yeah. That's all gone up and that feeds into the price of everything else. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you can't really completely separate them. But even before the war, you know, like what, what Trump said is, soon as I'm elected, acted prices are just going to come tumbling down. And, you know, eggs are going to go from this to this and meat's going to go from here to here. And like, you just elect me and everything gets affordable the next day. And it just didn't, didn't work out that way. Well, you know, there was this line that the people left to use about how, you know, the media took him literally, but not seriously, but the people took him seriously, but not literally. But I think, you know, eventually people started taking him both seriously and literally, and as you say, he made, he said, I think he said yesterday when he was asked whether, you know, a part of the problem is that he didn't keep his promises. He said, I kept more promises than I made. Which is the most, the most strong. But I think part of this is, you know, like you say, you know, the cost of things hasn't gone down. In fact, I mean, I mean, we come to the US, it's expensive, man. It is, it's expensive. And we're not used to that. Like I know when you go to London, it's expensive. Like stuff's expensive, but we're not used to that here. Like we're used to Walmart tons of stuff for cheap, you know, and so, and the durable goods like the TV sets and the washing machines and stuff don't seem to be that bad, but it's the day in and day out stuff, you know, food that really gas fuel. So, yeah. So, you know, I have no idea why he waged war when everyone sort of told them it was going to just screw the midterms, but he damned the torpedoes and did it, did it anyway. And there's, there's a lot of other stuff. I mean, I was very hopeful that he would end the war in Ukraine. Hasn't happened in the war in the Middle East. You can go down the list. I agree. And the thing is, closing the border, huge achievement. I mean, it sounds kind of dumb to say, but it was, I mean, objectively, it was not closed before. But even in that process, I think we see the stance now, his vote with his panics massively went down. And a lot of people attribute that to some of the excesses of us. Yeah, well, the thing too about winning, you know, the border or sort of like winning a championship or super bowl or something, that was two years ago. Like everyone's sort of like what's now, you know, that's like, yeah, you said you're going to close the border, you close the border. So, what's what else? You know, so there's kind of an element of you don't really get retroactive credit. You get credit for stuff you didn't do, but you don't really get credit for stuff you did do. It's kind of like a marriage, really, if you think about it. They just remember the shit you didn't do or the stuff you screwed up, you know, and it's not a win and a lot, you know, it should be sort of a scale where he goes, I said the Ukraine war was going to end momentarily. That's true. So then he goes, yeah, but the border, you know, like, okay, but in job creation and, you know, cutting a lot of federal jobs and waste and stuff like that. But people, all the stuff Trump does, nothing really affects a human being like going to check out at the supermarket, having them ring it up and looking at that bill and going, oh, wow, like that's right there. The cutting deficit or deficit spending or medical or Medicaid or social security, that's all kind of distant relative stuff, you know, it's that real like hand the bill at the restaurant, which is, I'm always like, I can't get out of anywhere like me in a, you know, just mean another guy and we're ordering like sandwiches and one drink or something. It's a hundred bucks. It's a hundred. It's weird. And so that's the one that hits. The stuff where you've taken on the, you know, unions or whatever that is. That's too deep a diet for most people. Do you know the other one? And I think you're spot on because most people, it's a tangible illness, the real and the wrong walk gives them very, something very convenient to point the finger at and to explain the rising cost of prices. I think there's another subject that people feel very passionately about. And this subject is only real. It's head in the last 18 months, two years, which is AI. You know, data centers, you know, Constantine and I were in Texas and we were watching a YouTube channel. And what happened was because we didn't sign in, it was giving us ads. And a lot of the ads were talking about data centers, particularly on the left. This is a real concern for people as well as AI taking your jobs. And you know, they were saying things, you know, talking about restricting building data centers, restricting AI, all of this, which sounds to the only person very, very, very, very comforting. Yeah. Well, the left and the Democrats definitely work on a kind of a fear thing. They get them to work with COVID real well. It works with a lot of stuff. They just get them fearful. And then they say, we're going to assuage your fears and don't worry. Now we're here. We're going to take care of your fears. And I don't even know where to begin with the data centers. Like, it's also weird to proclaim that you're an expert or you know about something that's 10 minutes old that you don't know anything of. So I'm always careful not to wait into stuff where I'm really like, who you can, I don't know anything about their stuff. But I do know that you can make it into something and you can then use it effectively. And then you can promise that if you vote for me, I will keep you safe from AI and from data centers and so on and so forth. And people, most of the people I know on the left are fear based and the people I know on the right are more sort of progress based. And so if you think about, you take a job like school teachers, you know, okay, school teachers, college professors, people in education, it's always 96% Democrat or they vote, you know, when they do the thing on college campuses where the professors donated what part of the, it's into the high 90s toward the left, right? Because they will trade money and riches and rewards for safety. They'll go, give me three months off every year. Let's take every holiday off and, you know, every 10 minutes will come up with someone else to celebrate so we can get another day off too. Who's a black guy's done something? Come on, we need another day off. And in return, we're not getting rich, but we're going to get paid and they can't really fire us. And what they're saying is is I want safety over flourishing. I'm not here to, you know, I'm here to make it through safely. Now, I could start my own business, but I could go bankrupt and I don't want that. And I don't even want all that goes along with that. I will trade all this for safety. So you have the people on the right. And the people on the right are generally more the entrepreneurs are sort of the risk takers, you know, like in general, just less safety oriented. Like the COVID came around. Everyone on the left was super locked down safety and everyone I know on the right was insulted by the safety and didn't want to participate in it. So there's a safety versus risk. And all you have to do to sell to the safety people to get their vote is explain to them that there is a risk and it could be coming for your job and it could be using up all your water and all your electricity and the safety people will all go well then none none of that. The risk people are like sure that could happen, but also we could get our ass kicked by China and we need this, you know, so let's do it anyway. And you know, as we progress as a culture, we get more safety oriented than we do risk oriented. We are each generation, it gets safer and safer and safer, everything gets safer, all forms of transportation, but just general stuff like people say have a safe foot, have a safe day instead of have a good day or have everybody's. There's, you know, this is a safe space. Yeah, thank you. When I was growing up, there was a football helmet and a crash helmet and that was about it. There was no other kinds of helmets. There wasn't helmet for skateboarding, for bicycling or for there was no, there was just two helmets. Now there's 1200 specific helmets because it's safety, safety and more safety. So it's like if you're selling safety, that's something that people in America are going to buy and you will get votes selling safety. And so I think the AI and the data centers are selling safe. The people against it trying to get votes of selling safety. - And that makes a lot of sense because if your bills are going up, if your wages are stagnating, if the dollar because, you know, quantitative easing, you know, you printed so much money, is no longer worth what it used to be, then you're already gonna feel kind of edgy about it, and then someone's coming along going, "Well, and you're reading about AI or you're seeing it on your phone and then someone comes along and goes, "I'm gonna protect you from that." - If you're that weighing clients, you're gonna be like, "Things are not going well. "I need someone to help protect me." - Yeah, I think just in general, the government's role of protection has grown by leaps and bounds, you know, they're talking, I mean, Mandani was talking on a podcast, and it was like, what is socialism? It's like, it's whatever you need to live in dignity. That's what it means, and whatever you want, the government will provide if you feel like you need this to lead a dignified life. And by the way, I don't know when the government taking care of you became the definition of a dignified life, I thought those people were losers, like when the government, or by the way, when you're in your thirties and your parents take care of you, you're a loser, when the government takes care of you, you're super loser. So the government has expanded its kind of safety net into not only sort of, you know, physical safety, but just sort of spiritual safety. Like if we are going to protect you, we're gonna uplift you, you're gonna live with dignity, you're gonna have a seat at the table, you know, everybody deserves to live this way, and I'm going to provide like the, the proclamations that the politicians are making are, first of all, they're untenable. They're, it's not, I can't provide dignity for you, especially times, you know, 340 million people. I mean, it's literally impossible. It's not enough money, it's not enough time. I don't even know what dignity is to you, might be different to me, to you, to him. So in general, what government is doing is it's just widening and widening, it used to be like, I'm gonna, you know, we're gonna keep the streets safe and we'll fill the potholes and, you know, we'll fight off any, any hordes who come here and try to, try to take our women. But after that, you know, you're on your own. You know, we don't do that anymore. Like we're getting into the promise business, you know? - And, I mean, one of the things with the election results, we've had Stephen Crabber on the previous case before you. And he said, if the Democrats take the House and the Senate, there is an 80% chance according to his model that they win the presence in 2028, which is kind of historically very likely, as you go. And I was looking actually at the cow shows that this Jon Ossoff is now in pole position to be the next president of the United States according to the prediction markets. - So. - I thought Buttigieg was the pole position. - Hey! (both laughing) - I'm not sure what position it's pole position. - But like, if you're talking about the ever-expanding state, a situation in which the Democrats have the two houses on the presidency, I mean, the whole country is gonna go in the more California in the direction. - Yeah, and, you know, the experiment might be over at that point. I mean, if your pitch is really nothing but I'm going to extract more money from this group and get it to you guys so that you can have all this stuff that, you know, they don't need all of what they have. It's a weird pitch. It's a super lazy pitch. If you really just break it down, like, if you just go, if you really just break it down, like as a politician or really as a business person, like, you know, someone goes, you manufactured doors and windows, you know, and they go, "What's your plan "for running our door and window shop?" And mine's like, "I'm gonna go across the street "to that successful door and window shop. "I'm just gonna take their sh*t and bring it on our shop." - Good? - I mean. - Yeah, but you've got to like, yeah, but that doesn't make you that good as CEO, does it? Like, I'm just gonna go, "Yeah, no, we'll bring guns." And we'll just go over there. We'll force them to give us their good stuff. They don't need all their doors and windows. They got more and they need. They'll give it to us. Like, that's a pretty lazy. If you think about a concept, like as a manager or as a politician, just to constantly say, "I'm gonna get folks that work weekends and holidays "to kick down more of their junk." And then I'll kick it over to you. It's kind of weak sauce. Like if you really think about it, you're like, "Well, wait a minute, what do we even need you for?" Like, that's not even a plan. My plan is, how do we create stuff? How do we entice this? How do we get them to be more productive? So we can take more of their tax at the rate that it's at now? Like, or whatever it is, you're just going, "We're gonna take their stuff and give it to you." Not only is it sounds super lazy, and it also doesn't sound like you've got much of a plan, but also, it's never worth it. So why are we to think it's gonna work? - It's interesting what you said about safety. It made me think so. I have a four-year-old, and I read him, he loves nights, sorry, in books about nights. And as I was reading this book, I realized this has genuinely been happening for hundreds of years 'cause nights used to joust with actual weapons. Then they went down to blunted weapons. Then they went down to, you know, and it just carries on and on and on and on until the point where we are now where you literally have parents not allowing their kids to do anything for fear of them hurting themselves. - Yes. - It's just been this ongoing process for hundreds of years. - Yeah, I mean, it is, I mean, it's an evolution, safety's evolution much like convenience is an evolution. We're wired for convenience, comfort, ease, and safety. You know, so that's built in. So whatever used to be, you know, used to be will go out and hunt. You know, it's like, well, that sounds like a hassle, you know. And then it sort of came, they're like, okay, there's a butcher over here, and there's the guy baked spread over here, and there's a farmer that's down the road. And then at some point, they're like, why don't we just put them all under one roof, and you could just carry the stuff. You go get the meat, go, oh, wait, don't carry it. Push, push a basket, put wheels on it, you know. And then in air conditioning, and then at some point, we went to, why don't they just deliver the food to the house, you know what I mean? And then it was like, why don't somebody just cook the food and then just bring the food. So now, it motivates. Like the innovation and motivation, I mean, you know, when you take a look at a car, you know, Model T, Model A, you know, Henry Ford, blah, blah, blah. You know, I just drove over here. Well, I didn't drive over here. The Tesla drove over here with the air conditioning blowing and the satellite radio humming, and it was no, you know. So we're made for comfort, safety, and ease. Every single thing just got easier, more comfortable, and safer. So that's how we're wired. The problem is, we're not really, it's like, we're, our tendencies are for that, but also sitting around in air conditioning and have someone bring you food all day, leads to an early death. And obesity and diabetes and, you know, whatever. And, you know, I'd be nice to start off every day with a big glass of wine, you know what I mean? But it's not good, you know. So now we're entering the self-governing phase of existence. As no one had to self-govern, the well was five miles away, start walking, come home with a gourd on your head. You don't need a treadmill or gym membership. Life is a gym membership. You know, you're hunting, you're, you know, livestock and, you know, all started at five in the morning. You know, so now we're in some weird phase where it's like, someone had to invent a treadmill because we had to simulate walking to the well because stuff's coming out of the sink for free, you know what I mean? And by the way, not good enough for us. Not a safe, not safe enough. So we are bred, I mean, for safety. And it's going to be hard to tell people, you know, hey, it's starting to become harmful. Like safety can hurt. You know, COVID. And the COVID safety protocols hurt a lot of kids, hurt a lot of businesses, hurt economies, hurt people psychologically, like that, under the umbrella of safety, you did a lot of damage and caused a lot of suicides and drug addictions and ODs and stuff like that. So how safe, you know, is this? And so then you get into this, like, appearance of safety, which is six foot, paper mask. You know what I mean? Now we're just, you know, mask up in between bites, like, is this really safety or is this just the illusion and almost delusion of safety? 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Most of the best experiences of my life, there's been some element of danger or risk involved with it. Sometimes it's an emotional risk, sometimes it's like a sort of financial risk. Sometimes it's a physical risk. But every good story basically, when a story is told, danger is there. When a book is written, when a movie is made, it's always, you know, there's a kind of, you know, I quit my job and I didn't have anything to fall back on. And I didn't know where my next paycheck was coming. But I started my own business, you know, and you know, and there was, well, it sounds pretty scary, not knowing how you're going to provide for your family. And then there was always like, it's never like this guy picked a fight with me. He was about 5'2" and he was morbidly obese and he walked with a limp. No, so this guy was 6'6" or 6" and it looked like a line packer, you know, but I told him, you know, I said to him, all right, you want to go, you know, it's always danger, danger, odd stacked against us, you know, we came through. So we're all living the fantasy like every book, every Disney film, every movie, every novel, every story told, it's always danger. So that must be the part of life we're most attracted to. So why are we trying to snuff out the part that's the main character in every story? Because if you don't have to, then why would you? Yeah, you know, but you don't have to cook your own food anymore, you know, and you don't have to walk your own dog and you don't have to, you know, involve yourself with many of life's sort of rituals or necessities or what have you. And I would argue that's why so many people are sort of spinning out like we need what Dr. Drew calls like an ordinary misery, like just a part of life where you're like, I don't want to have to go mow the lawn today, but I'm mowing the lawn or I don't, you know, want to go wash my car, I'd rather have the guy come over and detail it or whatever. But I'm going to, I'm going to do it and then I'll have that satisfaction. Yeah, you always feel so good when you've done those things. Yes, it's the, it's the, it's the best and it's also, you also will, you know, here's what I would say, if you, let's just say we'll take the same subject, but we'll go three or four different directions with it, you know, there's a beautiful deck on, on the house that you live in and, and you throw up a party or a barbecue or something and people come out and inevitably they go, this is an amazing deck. And the story you want to most tell is, yeah, I put it on myself. You know, when I got here, it was just dirt, I added this baby on myself. So that's the best, you know, the, the second best is like, yeah, my father laws a carpenter and he came over and I helped him, you know, we put this deck on. The third worst is like, uh, it was on the house when I bought the house. And then the fourth is my dad bought me the house, right? So don't we all want to tell the story of building our own deck, is that the best part? Now we all, the problem is, is we want our dad to buy us a house and we don't want to build a deck, but we want the story of building the deck without having to build the deck. And that's where the politician comes in. Well, right. I was going to say, and this is the problem with politics because politicians, you know, there's two politicians. One comes along and says, I'm going to give you the opportunity to build a deck. And other one says, I'm going to buy you the house with the deck, because you're entitled to it. And I'm going to take that guy's deck, which is too big and give you a part of it so you can have a deck. He's not, in the UK, we call it, he's not paying his fair share. Yeah. Yeah. We do that out here too. I wish so like, I would love to pay my fair share that would be so awesome as I, as I know it, you know what I mean, like because my fair share would be so much lower than what I pay. It is subjective though, isn't it, your fair share? I don't think, I don't think it's subjective. I think they tamper with verbiage too much and they sometimes get themselves into trouble like where they go, you know, my sister donated her eggs for $20,000, like, well, that's not donated, and your gender isn't assigned at birth, you know, like they get a little over their skis or their verbiage sometimes, but your fair share is, as far as I know the word share and the word fair is basically, if we all rented out this Airbnb for a week and it was seven grand at the end of the week and there were seven of us staying here, then I guess my fair share would be $1,000, you know, pretty white last time, I checked. I'm half Latino, mate, so we need to factor that in, yeah, they have those in England. Yeah, well, they have one, my mother, so to me, the fair share to me would be a thousand bucks. Everyone is all seven people stayed in the house for seven days at seven, you know, with the bill. It's going to be my fair share, now you could kind of talk to me into saying, yeah, but the camera guy doesn't make as much as you so how about set of going a thousand, you go 1200 and he can go 800 and you know, and I could go, hey, it should be my progette, like I should be able to go, well, he signed up, you know, he's he's living the same house, I'm living it in. He didn't get any privileges that I didn't get and provided, you know, we're all in the same room and we all have the same access to the bathroom and the TVs and stuff. So my fair share should be that, but I would come as guys is looking very upset by this by the way. I would tend to kick in an extra couple hundred quid for that loser, but now the government is forcing me to do it, and it's not 200 bucks, it's all of it for a bunch of guys. And then those same people are accusing me of not paying for my fair share, and that's the part. I would take a thank you winner very much for working as hard as you do. I would take that. But instead, you get everyone wagging a finger at you, wanting you to pay your fair share. I mean, it's insane. It's pretty easy. There's, you know, 340 million people in this country. I don't know what the collected revenue from taxes, but it could break down into a share. There's a number that could be assigned to every person over 18 who's gainfully employed or whatever it is. There is a number. And I guarantee the people that you say aren't paying their fair share are paying quite a bit more than what that number would be. I mean, there's a lot of people, Adam, who are listening to this kind of Adam, come on. There's a lot of billionaires out there. There's the first trillionaire. Are they paying their fair share? Because why is there an ever going down between rich and poor? Well, also, it's like I was thinking about my family. I'll try to answer your question. But I work almost every weekend as you guys work a lot of weekends. You know, knowing my family ever worked a weekend, effort, all of them. There wasn't that many of them, but they never worked a weekend or live. So just working more, like a lot of the people we're talking about, they don't take off holidays and weekends. Like they work a lot. They also innovate. And when they innovate, you know, the market repays them. And the chasm between them is true. But like the chasm between a guy who can play in Major League Baseball and have a career and like start versus a guy who's just really good, but at the junior college level. I mean, that's just a massive chasm. And there are always going to be those massive chasms. And the massive chasm is kind of the motivation for those guys. I think I don't see, I don't really think the chasm is going to be bridged by getting these guys to kick down to those guys. The chasm has to be bridged by those guys learning a skill or being more productive or figuring out a way to be excellent to kind of pull themselves into closing the chasm. It's like, it's sort of like it's a foot race. And some guys are just taken off. And everyone else is sort of struggling to catch up. And the government or the left, their thing is like, why don't we hobble these guys and slow them down a little bit so we can narrow that gap. And my thing is, I'd like to get the people that are following them to figure out a way to speed it up. Well, it's interesting. So in the, I know the stats for the UK, Billy, can you look this up for the US? So in the UK, the top 10% pay 60% of all income and capital gains tax. Right. And the top 1% pay 30%. Yeah. Now that's not a share thing because they also make a lot more. Billy, what is it in the US? How much it's in the same neighborhood? So the top 10% or the top 1%, either what total share of tax do they pay? It's a thing where the 1% pays an alarmingly high. And then the next percent. And then as you get lower, you get into nothing. But also as you get lower, you use a lot more of the services that a lot of the money is going to. So it's not just these guys pay more. It's you pay less and use more of what a lot of that tax money is going to. So in the UK, more than a half of people are in at the point where they consume more in in tax than they pay, Billy. The top 10% loans pay about 70%. 70%. And the top 1% loan pay about 30.42. That's more than in the UK. Yeah, I guess it is more. Wow. So the top just for people who didn't hear it, the top 10% of people pay 70% of all the tax. That is insane. Well, the insane part is they get yelled at and AOC wants them to pay more and is demonizing that. And Bernie Sanders demonizes them. That's the part that's insulting. You know, they should be bought fruit baskets and told, thank you very much for what you've done. So the comical part is demonizing the folks that are keeping the lights on around here, which it's just disingenuous when politicians do that. And they also know it's real easy. Like Obama would give a speech. You know, you think they think they're smarter than you. They think they work harder than you. I first off, the work harder is such bullshit. And it drives me nuts. Like I used to work really hard and really hard jobs like physical dirty, just crawling under houses, you know, digging, you know, with a coffee can because there wasn't enough room to get a shovel under there. It's like I had really gritty blue collar, pay nothing, miserable jobs. And I used to work a lot harder than I do now. But I learned to work smarter and like more efficiently. And I also learned to pursue talent and get training and get experience and, you know, me and network. Like I work a lot, I started to work a lot. So when they go, these think these people work harder than you? No, I don't work harder than a rougher works. I make 50 times as much as a rougher, but I don't work harder. I work smarter. That's what you should want the rougher to do. This notion of like, oh, I expended this many ounces and sweat or burn this many calories. It's stupid. That's what poor people do. That's all I used to do. It's insane. Like this hard, they claim to be hard working. No, they're smart. They're not hard working. Now you could say, I work every weekend and maybe you don't. So maybe that is harder. But it's not for me. I stand around and tell jokes. I don't have a hard job. It's also going back to this idea of risk taking. There's nothing wrong with being a roof. It's a very important job. It's actually quite a dangerous job and a tough job. But if you're going to take on the risk because you want to invert a commas better yourself, maybe you want to start your own roofing business. That's a risk. All of a sudden you're going to take on employees. What happens if there's a downturn in economy? It's still got to pay people. That means that you don't get paid because when you've got your own business, you get paid loss. That's how it works. You take the rewards, but you also run the risk. So I think that's a very important point as well. Yeah. I mean, the people that we're talking about kicking the money down to or the free this or the low discount that or the free transportation, whatever, are not taking the risk. And you know, it's the risk. The risk is what you get paid for. You guys understand this. Anybody in show business understands it's it's the risk that you get paid for. And it's but also it's not a healthy dialogue to have. And the reason I kind of reject it is when I was poor and I was poor, my family was poor. And everyone was poor for an extended period of time. I didn't make any money until I was 31, 32. I was, you know, zero to 30 poor. And I know people like to, you know, they're like the glorify or embellish their poorness. I don't know why. But I was my family was poor. We didn't have stuff. My mom is on welfare and food stamps and stuff. It didn't have any money. And I didn't have any education or anything either. So I was just going to be poor. But I never looked around in one. Why was that guy got a big house or why is that? I was it was aspirational to me. You know, we used to have shows called lifestyles of the rich and famous. It was so people like us could go, whoa, look at that house. Wow. Mercedes-Benz, you know, and then you would go, man, happy. What, what if I could, you know, and then the message would be study hard, work hard, you know, eat your wheaties one day, carb load in the morning. And then one day, you know, and it was always that. I never had an ounce of envy or iron or anger at successful people. And when I was a carpenter, I would have, at some point, I would have to work for successful people. I would be built a house in Beverly Hills, you know, not my house. But the guy owned the house would show up, but I talked to him, you know, and I was like, wow, that's a big, expensive house. I've worked in a lot of really nice houses with people that had money and made good livings. And I was always just kind of trying to figure out how they did it and maybe how I could, you know, get some of it. And the idea that a politician wants to pit me against them, that's insidious. They should be saying, these people know something. And you should basically not be angry at them. You should be trying to have them tutor you. Like they should basically be telling you, I'd like to know what they know, not instead of resenting them. It also does not help the group that needs to get to them, to anger them. And then to make them think that the reason they're not them is because they took all the money or because of systemic racism or it's because of your sexual proclivities. So what politicians do is they go, you should resent them and you're here. And the reason you are here is because they're bad and/or society hates you and we don't have a level playing field. And now I have no motivation to work harder and try to get there. Because why would I, their systemic racism or the playing field tilt in their direction or it's daddy's money or some bullshit like that. So it disincentivizes these people and it angers them. But what you start to see now is anger because at a certain point, I wrote in one of my books some years ago, I said, you know, it used to be this country would be a son, a father and a son taking a walk at night or something. And then a big Mercedes would pull past them and then the father would say the son, that's Mr. Jenkins. 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It's interesting you say that about the attitude shift because actually, and you know, this attitude works at whatever level you are. There are people who are so much richer than you and who have so much stuff and so many opportunities that you don't have despite all your success. But you right now, you Adam Corolla right now, could take a driver into that, like you said, the Hollywood Hills or whatever and look at houses and go, "I can't afford that. Why has this guy got a private jet?" He just never ends. If you have that mindset. I could look at some of my old houses and say, "I can't afford that." I remember beating off in that room. You know what, I collect cars and I have some really interesting cars and some nice cars and I won't bore you, but I have a decent, pretty good collection, but I go to events with guys that are heavy hitters and those guys have real car collections. I know what they got and I see what they got and they know what I got and I'll look at one of their vintage frories and go, "That one car is worth more than all of my cars can buy." And so there's always a kind of an element when you're talking to just car guys, what do you got? When the guy says, "Yeah, I got a 71 Mira Lamborghini SV." Look at this, six and a half million bucks right there. I got a Daytona convertible Ferrari, I don't know what that is. And you're doing the math and at some point you're going, "That guy's collection is so much nicer, but I have a nice collection too." And all I want to do is see if I could work a little harder and maybe get a little closer to his collection, for my collection, not decide that he owes me part of his collection or I'm going to take a drywall screw and put my initials in his door. And by the way, my attitude is like, this guy's got a really nice collection. You should suck up to him a little bit. Why not? I mean, how could it hurt? And by the way, that's how all those guys roll. Are they just network and network and network? You know? We have interviewed him in this car garage. I know. It look good. No, you know, it's weird. He has an amazing collection, but I'm not jealous of it because they're mostly not my kind of cars. It's just weird, but there are guys I'm thinking of that have smaller collections of cars I like. I'm glad you mentioned the word, "Jose," because I'm not jealous. Like I have a friend who has a watch that is worth more than all my material possessions and my bank account and all of it. I'm not jealous. I think that's cool. Yeah. Good for him. I do not become less happy or less fulfilled or less satisfied by someone having more. Well, you know what? I think this is an important thing. You need a one needs a field of expertise. If you have something where you can go, "I have an expertise in this, you're never going to feel lesser than in a sense." Like if you are, you know, like when I was a carpenter, I had a field of expertise and it was pretty good, you know? And I would come into a nice house and I'd be talking to some guy who is a super successful lawyer or something, and I'd be looking around, "God, I live in an apartment. You know, I could never afford this." But at some point, he'd go, "I don't know anything about, I can't hang the door. You're the expert. You could hang the door." And I was like, "Yeah, I am the expert standing in his house that I could never afford." You know? And there's a sort of element to owning an expertise. Now, it's not going to work if you're just sitting in a cubicle and you're pushing papers or you work at the DMV or the airport or something like that. But people used to have trades and skills and when you have a trade and a skill, there's a kind of dignity to it. And you don't really feel beneath people because the rich guy calls the tradesmen and the person with the skill and it's everything. It's the car, it's the plumbing, it's the electrical, it's the AV system now. And stuff like that. Like, you know, the real rock stars for rich guys is the AV guy because they invite people over. They go, "We're going to watch the Super Bowl. Damn, damn." And then all of a sudden, the AV guy shows up, you know, "Huh, that's the rock star." Like that's the hero. But a feeling, having an expertise, and it could be the law, it could be medical, it could be a stand-up comic, but it could also be a welder or a roofer, just owning something and knowing something. And even if it's just playing the cello or having a black belt and Taekwondo, like people need that. And all the miserable people you see out there, they don't have a field of expertise, they don't own anything, you know, I don't mean tangible things. But I mean, all those super angry, 25-year-old chicks that are like pushing against the ice and screaming at the top of their lungs or all those people, there is no way you talk to that chick and she'd go, "I'm a certified scuba instructor." Anyway, let me go fight ice, you know what I mean? Like, they don't have, they don't have an expertise, they don't have a skill. People used to have hobbies and skills and expertise. But that evens the playing field real fast, because the super rich guy. He may be super rich, but he does not know how to hang that door, and he knows it, and he defers to you, and then thanks you for it. And it also humbles you, because the moment you start learning something, you're invariably terrible at it. Yes. You're absolutely terrible. You're trying to do it. It's so basic. It keeps falling apart. And then somebody else does it, and they just put it together. So it doesn't matter how many YouTube subscribers you go, "Oh, you played this venue in an ex amount of people turned up." If you're trying to hang a painting, you can't do it, and you're hammering your thumb, it doesn't matter how much you earn, you're just angry and in pain. And also, that's enough about you all, it's a little bit difficult, and you're all ladies up your ass and your first son's gang, it's a disaster, I tell you a disaster. It's not binary, okay? All right, I'm sorry. I must have misread that, and then I talk in the trades. Yeah. Well, also, if you would like to learn and have a field of expertise, you need to study under people, you know, somebody needs to teach you and work with you, and you can't go, you know, your answer can't be, I know what I'm doing. Believe me alone, it has to be tell me more, which is a kind of humbling experience, you know, all the, as a carpenter, all I did was learn from old dudes who did it for a long time, and I just, I never told him, I knew what I was doing, or you're not the boss of me, or a hailed man, you're not my dad. It was always just like, thank you, okay, all right, I'll do that, and I'll do it, and I'll never do it the other way again, once you teach me the right way to do it. So there is something I think inherent in human beings that needs that kind of sense. Like we were talking about before, that needs to make your own meal and take care of yourself and losing that, I think we lose a lot of our, our sanity in that. And I mean, imagine the utopia we would be living in if everyone just had a skill that they would call their own, an expertise, you know, just something where they went. Yeah, I can do it like nobody is ever, when you own something and you're good at something, and you can, and you can apply, you can apply that and get paid for it. You have a sense of dignity that, you know, listen, your rich uncle could die and make you a millionaire tomorrow, it still didn't, wouldn't make you happy and probably OD, but if you had way less money than that guy, but you did it through a trade with your own hard work and so on and so forth, that's, you can't put a price on that. And I think partly that's because when you have something that you're good at, you inevitably serve other people with that skill. That's how you make money, really. Yes. When you said earlier, you get paid for risk, I think you get paid for serving other people what they want. That's how the market works. So if you're creating something or you're creating something and other people are prepared to pay money for it, that tells you that thing has value, therefore what you do has value. And that's the fulfilling thing about being able to be having that skill or having that thing that you're good at because it tells you you're serving other people, other people value it so much, they're prepared to part with their hard and money for it. And that's, that gives you a tremendous sense of satisfaction. And that's why, if you have that, like you say, it doesn't really matter how many billionaires there are. I'm not a billionaire. I probably will never be, but it's not a, it's not a goal of mine. I don't feel any which way about that. It doesn't affect me because I have things that I'm good at and I enjoy doing. Yeah, I just, I always started to notice that the guys on the job site had a sort of level of sanity and sort of a self acceptance that I did not see in Hollywood or other places where there was a lot of people felt a lot more neurotic, you know, and just little things like I would always say, I always, I would do the occasional lunch run for the guys working on whatever project I was working on after I made money and I was doing my own stuff. And I would just tell them I'm buying lunch and they'd all just go, thanks, but nobody had any gluten allergies or lactosis, there's no special diet, they'd say anything because nobody had it, because their, their stomachs were all good, like they were good, their head was good and their stomach was good and they were like satisfied. And I would just go on a run and just buy, you know, 10 cheeseburgers and just, you know, they go, thanks, you know, and they just eat them. Like, there was no, they were happy to have it, there was no foodborne allergies or anything of that kind. And I started to sort of realize that they were all just a little saner than the normal folks I would see, you know, out in society. And when COVID hit, it really set home that example for me because none of the blue collar guys I work with had any thoughts about COVID whatsoever and all the white collar folks that did work all up in their head about COVID. Yeah, I think as well, there's something to be said with the skill that you have, you create something tangible. There's enormous comfort that comes from that. Oh, you're a bricky brick layer. You put up a wall. People go, what have you done today? Oh, I put up, we're building a house. I built a, we put up the main wall today. Oh, that's great. But what, and then you talk somewhere else, what did you do? I don't know if they do some faceless corporate white collar job a lot of the time. They can't even say to you what it is that they did. Yeah, I know it, it's true and it was also, I remember these little goals that people need to have that can measure things like I could remember showing up Monday morning and we, you know, someone would go by the end of the week, Friday, we got to have this garage framed out, you know, and it got, let's get it framed out, you know, and it was almost a little fun, trick, goal competition, you know, it's like, oh, it's new and on Friday. Yeah, but we almost got the plywood up on the roof, you know, that's, and it kept you occupied the time past, much, much quicker. There was a sense of sort of team, you know, and then at the end of the day, you'd be walking out on Friday and you'd turn around and you'd look and you'd see something that wasn't there on Monday and you get a sense of some purpose and to deny people of that is almost to torture somebody that sense of progress, like that sense of I remember when I showed up here six months ago and it was just dirt on the ground and now, you know, look at this, to do that and then to repeat that constantly is wildly satisfying and to do the opposite of that, which is just enter data into something that was kind of infinite, never went away or work at the, you know, at the DMV, just stamping stuff and putting it like, and also when you go to the DMV, everyone's miserable for a reason, you're asking them to do something that probably humans shouldn't be doing, which is just sitting in the same place with the same group, doing the same monotonous nothing bird or day in and day out. Yeah, I just remember when I was doing the comedy clubs and I was MC a gig, I always had this routine when I immediately I asked somebody what they did and they'd say something like this, I'm an international consultancy operator and just picking three words and I used to say, see, that's the definition of a proper London job because it's got three words individually, they mean something, you put them together, they mean fuck all right and I go to and I go, this is how you know someone's got one of those London jobs because they can't say what it is that they do and I'd say to them what do you do and they would never be able to say that and you get a big laugh in the room and it'd be funny and then we'd move on but you go inherent in that is a tragedy because people are dedicating the majority of their lives to doing something that they can't explain what it is that they actually do and therefore has no value. Yeah and they're getting compensated for it but the compensation thing is you know it's all relative and it isn't the end all be all I think some people think how much you get paid is sort of the end all be all but the dignity part of work man that's the big part of that's the big part and and the balance part of work too where you're not just in the same place doing the same thing day in and day out is important and and I think what we're missing is is when the politician says I'm going to get you all this stuff so that you can live in dignity they are robbing that person of dignity like what they should be saying is I'm going to help get you trained up and you can and have a skill, and you can be proud of yourself. I mean, working and earning, I mean, it is such a huge part of a person's life. I mean, probably more so for males, but all creatures need to feel like they're contributing. I, the notion of, we'll go get you some stuff and bring it by your apartment, so you can get fat off it, it's insane, and it's also like, we understand this very well. Like, at every national park, every national park, the dumpsters behind the restaurant have a lid with a lock on them because bears will get in there and just start eating, and you don't want the bears coming to dinner behind the restaurant. You want them out doing what bears are supposed to do, and they would tell you it's not healthy to have the bears come and eat for free. The bears are going to get fat. They're going to get dependent on the junk from the restaurant. They're going to resent Adam Corolla. They're not going to float Republican. So you're going to hurt the balance. We understand it. It's the same thing with human beings. Like, you're going to hurt them. And I could hurt it. You're coming all the way back round to the beginning of the conversation. I kind of always thought that of all the places I've been in the world, and I've traveled to a fair few countries, America was uniquely a place that was built and populated by people who had that mindset. That it was. I mean, it was, but I was, I am the father of two people who grew up wildly different than I did because I was their dad. And they have different expectations quickly, like in one generation, you know what I mean? I grew up hungry and poor and sort of ready to go out and bust my ass and take chances and do whatever it took and risk and nose to the grindstone. And, you know, I would do anything to just get out and get busy and do anything. My two kids, who are good kids, have an utterly different relationship with life. They would not do any of this stuff I did or do now. They don't have to. So they got, I've said to someone the other day, they grew up in a house with seven zones for air conditioning. Seven. Six or seven different zones for air conditioning. I said, I grew up in a house that had two zones. We had miserable and suicidal. Did you grow up in Britain, Adam? Well, it's kind of funny because we did have zones because there was a window mounted air conditioner in one room. And then there was another one over in the kitchen. So in a weird way, we had our own poor version of a zone, you know, but their expectation, what they're willing to do is completely and utterly different than me. And they're my kids and they're not my grandkids or my great-grandkids. They're just one off of me and they have a completely different relationship with life. So yes, we did come over here and have the pioneer spirit and pull yourself up by your own bootstrap. That was that. And this is the insidious part of what the politicians are doing. Yeah, and also they're incentivized to breed out of people because let's be fair. You get the politicians you deserve. We can point our fingers at whoever you want to point the finger at. The reality is they're doing what works. If it didn't work, they'd stop doing it. 100%. And it's never not going to work. If you're running for school president and you're running on a campaign of, you know, do your own homework and don't use a computer or AI to do it for you. And I'm running on a campaign of add an extra hour to lunch and also get a soft serve ice cream machine in the cafeteria for free. Well, then I'm going to win. Yep. Now I'm not going to provide any of that or I'll take the soft swirl machine and put it in my bedroom, but I'll win the vote off of that. Yeah. Well, not happy though, Adam, great having you back. As you know, the last question we always ask is what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be? I think last time I was probably talking about gyno-fascism with you. That's a big one. I think what we're not talking about is unintended consequences. These things that they try to put forth, they don't live in a bubble. There's an unintended consequence. So if you say, look, what we're going to do is if you have a child and that child is on the spectrum of autism, then the government will pay $1,300 a month for every child. You go, at first blush, you go, that sounds like a pretty decent society because yeah, you got a kid and he's on the spectrum and you could use a little extra whatever, but in 10 minutes, everybody's kid is going to be on the spectrum. So, you know, what's wrong with the hospice center and Los Angeles because there's going to be hospice centers popping up and strip malls and ice cream stores and morgues, it's all, and then next, you know, all the stuff we do that sounds good, you know, San Francisco. We'll just give out clean needles so people can have dignity when they enjoy. It turns into a show immediately. And what I'm saying is, is everything has an unintended consequence and before you offer it, you better think of what that unintended consequence is. Now, you see it with a huge amount of graft and peyola and everything else. You create something and a system will pop up almost immediately. You know, we have birth tourism because we said if you're born here, well, then you're a citizen and all the stuff just like the kid with the autism or just like a family member who takes care of an elderly person, getting a stipend, it all sounds good until 10 minutes later when China is flying people over and they're opening up birthing centers so we can have birth on our soil so your kid can have dual citizenship. I'm just saying whatever your plan is, there is unintended consequences that are coming and you better think long and hard what that is before you offer the plan because once the plan is offered, we have trouble getting rid of it in this country. And then we have birth tourism now and everyone's on the spectrum and all, you know, whatever's going on with the Somalians and Minnesota, whoever's going on in Los Angeles and all the Nick Shirley stuff. It's endless because you offered something and I frankly don't think we can offer it anymore. I think people want to police it. I don't think there's a policing of this many people if you're going to offer this. How do you know how many kids are on the spectrum? You invented something called on the spectrum. Everyone I've ever dated thinks I'm on the spectrum. So I should be entitled to money if you think about it. So I think you have to get rid of the offering. I think many of these things just need to go away. I don't see how we can police them. Obviously we're not very good at policing and there's billions of dollars just going out the window. So to me, unintended consequences, no matter whether it's on the micro or the macro level, you know, whether it's you going, oh, there's a stray cat out there. I'm going to put a saucer of milk out every night for the stray cat. You have 100 stray cats in a week. You didn't think that. You thought you were being kind to the cat. And maybe you are and maybe you want to continue to do that. But what I'm saying is is rest assured it's not just this thing. It's what comes next. Adam, great having you on. Thank you so much for coming on. We look forward to having you back when something terrible happens in this country, which inevitably it always does. Really appreciate your time. Head on over to TriggerPod.co.uk where Adam's going to answer your questions. I've admired how you've maintained your friendship with Jimmy Kimmel, even though you have opposite political views. Why aren't there more examples of Hollywood people who can be friends but have different political points of view? 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