The Wildly Deep 2027 QB Draft Class w/ Todd McShay. Plus, Actor Adam Scott!

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And then we're going to do a little bit of a quarterback draft for next year's draft. You'll figure it out. And we've got Adam Scott, the star of The Whisper Man, out on Netflix. All of our episodes, also on Netflix. We're going to talk about that movie, which is really enjoyable. Already watch it. It comes out August 28th. And, of course, his career. We've got a long life advice for you. Something big is coming on September. For a second, DraftKings Game Day arrives with massive deals, exclusive offers, and an all-day celebration built for sports fans. The countdown has begun. All roads lead to game day. The DraftKings Sports app is now live in all 50 states. That means from Texas to California to Florida, every fan is in on the excitement. One app, every sport, all 50 states. DraftKings Game Day is yours. Remember the date, September 2nd. DraftKings Game Day is the kickoff of a new season, a new era, and the biggest day in sports history. Give it up. Get pumped. 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We just said, hey, let's have McShay come on and we'll talk about all the quarterbacks for this season in college football. You can read his way-too-early mock draft that has seven QBs going in the first round. The McShay report. And then, of course, I was listening to him and Mensch chop it up about the important players in college football this season on the McShay show part of Ringer and Spotify. So, good to see you, man. How are you? I'm doing good, brother. How are you? Good. All right. Good summer? Might need that energy to tick up a little bit. Yeah, good. I'll go kick it up. It's just good to see you. You know, I'm relaxed. Long day with, you know, a couple different shows. But this is a perfect way to end it. With my guy. Bit of a, you know, IPO chart on the summer for me. A lot of ups, a lot of downs. But we're just, you know what? Even keeled, ready to go. Right at the horizon as football gets ready to start. You have seven. I know you hate doing that April mock for next April in 27. It's just a rule. All of you guys have to do it. You have seven QBs going in the first round. Do you think that'll happen? I mean, probably not. But absolutely. Absolutely could. So it's like six if it's not seven. Normally, I get overexcited. The draft's over. I'm in a good mood. We got to knock out this way too early mock draft. I'll throw, like, you know, and then I get and I start watching the tape in the summer. I'm like, oh, I wish I didn't, you know. Yeah, he's not. I actually like more quarterbacks now after watching the top 14 of them. I think I watched this summer. All the way down to like Maeva, Mateer, Mestamaker. Hoover. Like, we might have been 16 of them when we're all said and done. I like more of them is legit, like first, second day guys and legit potential future NFL starting quarterbacks than I ever imagined. It's an unbelievable group. Now, with nearly all of them, it's like I'm banking on. All right. Is there Lenore Sellers? Is he with the right guy with Bryles in South Carolina? Is Arch going to take that next step in his defense? with Cam Coleman and after a rocky season that ended strong. And, you know, is this mess to make your cat any good at this level at Oklahoma State? And I'm expecting DeMond Williams to continue to elevate. And so there's a lot of guys with an expectation of growth, right, that I'm kind of counting on. But I also see enough in all of them to think that they have it in them. And the circumstances for almost all of them are better than they were a year ago. Let's start with Arch. I'm sure you probably put some more time into it when you had some downtime. If you had a bet, I imagine the best odds, even though I know Dante's in the conversation and Sellers and we're going to get to all of these guys. But Arch seems like, hey, if you had to pick one that's going to go number one overall, he's the safest bet. Is that fair? It could be fair. I've got him as the fifth-ranked quarterback. You have him fifth in this class. Okay. Fifth. And I was just at Manning Passing Academy. Cooper's one of the best human beings I've ever been around. I text with Archie all the time. Helped Archie the last 15 years put together the list for the Manning Passing. They're like, I don't want to oversell, but I get along with the Mannings. I actually think I'm doing them not a favor. But I think. I think things were so far skewed coming into last year and the expectations were so stupidly absurd with not only is he like potential number one overall draft pick, he is for 2026. And he's the Heisman Trophy front runner. And he's. And Texas is going to win a national championship. And like we haven't even. We saw him start a couple games like spot duty essentially waiting for. So like, what are we doing? Because he's got Manning on the back of his jersey. And by the way. That Manning looks nothing like the uncles and how they played the quarterback position. In fact, it's kind of polar opposite. Like when we think of a Manning, you think pocket passing, cerebral, ball might be a little wobbly, but it gets there. Leading receivers, smartest guy in the room, demanding excellence. And Arch is like this really chill cat who people would absolutely like stand in front of a train for because he has this like real connection. With people and he's. And yeah, he has the size, but he's built athletically. He's strong in the pocket, breaks, tackles. When he accelerates, I. Going back and watching Tate versus kind of in the season, I didn't realize how fast he is. It's like first 10 yards fast. It's like. And he's got this playmaking instinct about him. And he started to grab his balls a little bit at the end of the year. Like. This is my team. And like over my dead body stuff. And finally be like, let's go. And so you see that element of him. But I'll be honest with you, as a passer, it starts with his eyes. His feet don't follow sometimes. He gets kind of this flustered element. And you just kind of expect, because he is a Manning, that he's going to be a lot more refined with where he's going with the ball, the footwork, the mechanics and all those stuff. And he's just not yet. Does that mean he can't be? No. But he has to. He's got to show a lot of progression. There are a lot of throws you watch, Ryan, where it's like, he can't miss that. And why did he miss that? And then you try to study the why. And the why leads to different reasons. And it's not all the same thing. So there's work that's got to be done. I know he's putting in the work. And he certainly has a receiver who's just a special, special talent in Cam Coleman coming in. And Cam Coleman's even better than people think. So that's going to be fun. That's going to be fun to watch. But he's not there yet. So I'm kind of putting him down there. Like, go ahead, climb that ladder. Prove that you can kind of be the quarterback that everyone wants you to be. But let's back off this expectation that he's the number one overall pick. And he's the guy. And this is Texas' year. Because I got more news for you. I don't even know that the Mannings are looking at this as like the swan song at Texas. There's a long history. There's a long history of Mannings sticking around that extra year that people didn't think they're going to stick around until they're right and they feel like they're ready. And I won't be surprised at all if he's in the 2028 draft. Okay. You know, you hear it a lot. But based on what you just told us about the relationship there, too, like we have to listen to you on that one because it's been flirted. You know, hey, they might not even do that. No one ever believes that. But you're right. The history and you saying it, I think, gives it a little bit more. But there's a path, too. I want to make sure everyone understands. Like, if he corrects some of those things, if he starts to show a little bit more consistency. nobody else in this class is 6'5", 232 pounds and runs kind of like he does and has that combination of things, you know? So there's a clear path for him to, it's kind of like horses coming around the stretch. Like, it's just about like, does he catch the stride and have a safe path? The path is there, but does he make those corrections and all of a sudden hits his stride in this, what could be his final year if he chooses for it to be? If he does, yeah, sure. He absolutely, like, there's no question in my mind he can be a great starting quarterback in the league and he's got a hugely bright future ahead of him. It's just, if we're talking about where these guys are now, his tape is not as good as people want it to be. And it's not as bad as some people are hoping it will be. You know, it's somewhere in the middle. Yeah, it's almost like three different parts of the season where, you know, everything's on the line at Ohio State camp. And you've got two young quarterbacks where it felt like both play callers on both sides were like, let's just try not to lose this game. And Texas ends up losing it, and I'm sure over, right? And then the San Jose State game gets kind of built up. And I remember, like, the stats look good, but I watched that game because I wanted to just keep watching them. I was like, this isn't very good. And I think that first third of the season, there may have been some nice box scores, but it didn't look very good. And then we kind of got off of them. And he starts playing better. And then we're all building to the Georgia thing. And that's where the offensive line issues for Texas show up. And as bad as it was in 25, it wasn't even close to as horrifying as it was in 24 when Georgia went at that Texas team. And Carson Beck still tried to lose that game for Georgia. And that's when, you know, Arch is like, hey, let's have him run around there instead of yours here a little bit. But as the season went on, I think the thing that I liked the most about him, and if there was, if we sat there and said, let's put together the perfect quarterback and the foundational things that you'd want to have, there's all sorts of stuff that's cool. But mobility in the pocket and awareness of things collapsing around him, which is something that he had to learn the hard way as that offensive line got worked, which is, you know, a big reason why I'm like, I want to pick Texas to win the whole thing, but it has to be so much better than it was last year. You could look at 25 as like a great learning experience for him because he had to learn how to get those off-platform throws out. And I thought a lot of that stuff was, was important. Cause you know, we sit there and we get excited about arm strength and all this shit. And it's like, okay, you throw it 35, 40 times in a game. Like how many of those throws are actually clean? 10? Like you're constantly kind of moving around and stuff. So I, I think there's a combination with his athleticism and his smarts that it was, I'm like, okay, well, if he has that part of it, then I feel way better about it than, than maybe some of the other guys that I think can put up huge numbers and have a lot of tool stuff. But it's like, okay, but what do you look like? What is that mobility? Not out of the pocket, but inside the pocket. Yeah. And I, there's, there was so much encouraging about the way he endured what, what happened in the beginning of the year. That wasn't easy, man. Like with all that hype and to go out and like, literally like Mike Tyson comes out of the corner and knocks your ass out and you, and you spin around and you look embarrassing. Like as you go down and fall to the fall of the mat, that's what that Ohio state game was like. Like it was bad. It was bad. I didn't know where to go with the ball. Looked panicked feet, weren't right. It's like, he forgot in some in some blaze. It looked like he kind of forgot how to play the position. And then now everyone's like going back to high school. It's like, he didn't, you know, he didn't play good high level high school. And he got away with all this. He's been the most overhyped and ever. I knew it. I knew it. I've been telling everyone. And so like, you're like, yeah, well, he's a Manning. He, he, he knows how to compartmentalize all this. He'll be fine, but like, he's a human being and he's 21 years old or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, like that shit ain't easy. It's not easy to read about how horrible you are and how overhyped you've always been. And, and like, so, and then to know, and then to start questioning your own reality, right. And to have your own Sark, like kind of, well, let's, let's kind of redo, let's get our eyes right here. Let's make sure we're doing this. We can expand the playbook when we need, but like, then you're starting to feel this, do, does everyone else believe in me the way that they, I thought that they would, you know, so to overcome all of that under that. That spotlight, it's like a fascinating study in, in like human confidence and, and also like just how, how you work through something. I think I want all of these guys that have adversity, not because I want to see them do something bad, because I think everyone that comes out in the league that has had some real adversity, whether personal life game situation, whatever it is, it seems like those guys have a much higher chance of succeeding in the NFL than the ones who come through and you know, Mark Sanchez at liner, like you think about how easy things, you know, like, and I don't mean to single anyone out, but I'm just saying like liner, it's not going to be happy. I know. And I'd love that. But I think, I think it's like, let's be honest compared to some of the adversity, some other guys go through, I think it's important to have some of that adversity and hopefully we look back at 2025 and it's exactly that. All right. I need to go quicker. I just figured we spent more time on arch there. No, no, no. I need to like, I'm the one that had a follow up thought on this. Who has the best tape? Who has the best tape then? Two guys jump out in terms of best tape, like, and when I think best tape, I mean, this isn't traits. It's more like balls out on time, accuracy, touch, um, eyes, eyes working left, right, all that stuff. Dante Moore and Darien Mensah, they're the best two pure pocket passing quarterbacks coming back in college football, like, and Dante's wasn't always beautiful and there's some areas he's got to improve and there's some big moments where you'd like to see him be able to carry or at least limit damage. There's also some times, I think if you really go back and track some of his, his mistakes or throws that you want back, um, not all of them, but, uh, but there's a higher percentage than you like with like up the middle pressure feels boxed in and kind of doesn't make, you know, and I don't wanna say panic, but a little like, you know, um, and men's men's is certainly not perfect. I mean, Mensah Mensah was one of two or three, like, wow, uh, blown away by how much better than I thought just watching games on Saturday. Cuz I hadn't, I hadn't sat here in this room, dim the lights, studied the tape and done it this way yet. And I'm watching him and I kept asking myself, like, okay, so what, how big of a difference is there between he and that guy in Eugene, cuz that balls and that's out in time and leading. And that guy, my gosh, like rewind it and it's like, pause it here. And the receiver's like, hasn't even sniffed his break and he throws it 15 yards back corner end zone. And it's like, so, and, and, and by the way, this guy is more mobile and has a little more creativity than, than Dante does. So I'm expecting a huge year from Darian Mensah. He's like next up, right? Cam Ward, Carson Beck next up and, and with Malachi Tony and some of the weapons they've brought in, you know, that old line's gonna be, be coached up. Well, I could see Miami making a serious run this year. And I think Mensah could become one of the big stories in college football, uh, early on. So those would be the two where just watch like the pure passing tape more. Um, you know, look, if you wanted to beat up on him, you could, because of that Indiana game. It's funny too. Cuz I was looking at it this morning and, and you forget that they actually tied it up at seven after that pick and you're like, all right, everybody's settled down. I'm like, okay, seven, seven and, and then they, yeah, they, they drive it down seven, seven. Here we go. And it's like, oh. 14 plays, 75 yards after the pick. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, okay, okay. I forgot about this. I definitely forgot about it. I totally did. And then you're like, okay, they scored again pretty quick with their offense. So if, if I wanna be, and I wanna be positive about it, right? Like, okay, they got their doors blown in by the team that was, was better than everybody else with Indiana. Yeah. I like the Penn state game because there seems to be a smoothness, a calmness with more that isn't bullshit. You know, like I think sometimes guys get out there game winner and they get in front, they know exactly like how to handle it with him. He, he plays like his demeanor matches his play. And if you're telling me like on the best side of it, which isn't just about technique and what he's seen out there, that there's a, a coolness to him, a calmness, uh, that, that shows up numerous times throughout. It does. And there's, there's this like maturity about the way he handles things. There's a calmness, as you say, even like the ball he throws is like relaxed. It's catchable. I like, you know, certain guys just, they, they make, they make it hard. Receivers fight to get the Carson Beck was an example, especially at Georgia. Like I felt like receivers were always working to get the football, such a great way to describe it. Yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. Right? Like, it's just kind of like, oh, it's a grind, man. Cause you can't even like, if it's a crossing route and you know, your guy doesn't exactly have it to your numbers, you can't run the route as crisp as you want to. Cause you're kind of like playing catcher going like I'm drifting across this, but if I run this thing full speed, it's going to be behind me. It's going to be in front of me. Like I've got to give him a better window because I just know that it's not always going to be there. I think that's perfectly set. Yeah. And then, and then you watch it. It's like, it's like the loveliest player. Yeah. to be a receiver is in Eugene, Oregon, like the balls, it comes down like a cushion for you and it's they got enough of them this year they should be able i mean there's so many options there and i know they felt like they ran out of dudes but i'm looking at their depth chart going are you kidding me well evan stewart's back i haven't heard much on him i'm hoping he's like he's going to be the guy he was before uh but anyway yeah so i just same thing with more too but go ahead yeah well obviously i mean more was sensational last year but he still was a true freshman so but uh let's put it this way the raiders were midway through they're not mid like midway through the season looking at the potential of having to make a choice and getting kind of later in the season and and dante moore had made the decision he made which again speak to maturity like much easier draft class to be in with mendoza because you don't go one you're you're going to go two and and and deciding like i'm not ready you know so but i i just and and the raiders were like split like they were they were really it was a tough call between those two um so he's gonna go early and he's a he's a damn good player but there are definitely some areas i want to see like okay you're back and and will stein's in kentucky like this guy this quarterback whisperer who fixed bone nicks which by the way in and of itself should get you a head coaching job what will stein got from the auburn quarterback to what he turned him into in two years at oregon and now we're seeing the carryover like that it was that was a total like healing of hey look the auburn bone nick still messes me up talking about the denver bone nicks which is totally unfair i can't i can't unsee some of that stuff still it probably fucked up my whole evaluation on if i'm being honest i saw too much at auburn yeah i'm right there with you like and then dylan gabriel right we talked we talked to the nfl team and he's a third round draft pick i know and so but dante and dante in a year after didn't work with chip that freshman year has to come kind of regroup sit out a year but got he got hit got him right to the point where he could have been the first overall pick had he decided to come out so how right is there any effect what's that no i just was for anyone not following along they might have thought chip with eugene or something but we're talking about ucla ucla sorry yeah right um anyway so that'll be interesting to watch is is there any is there any can we see that definitively that that will stein's not there anymore okay lenora sellers you cannot quit lenora sellers you have you have been if you get this one right this is all-time stuff because there's other people that just think and mensch likes him more than i do what i didn't think anybody liked him more than you did because some people do not like him mensch is putting him up in like andrew luck great he wants he's he's hoping a good year he can give him a 99 out of the 100 scale i've only given him one of those okay how about this i'm gonna i'm gonna just throw something at you here and this is not perfect so okay watching sellers with that team in 25 all right and this is like the old josh allen iowa game thing i mean it's not the same thing because it's south carolina and there's other nfl players all over the place but the beauty of josh allen in that iowa game is that you realized how bad it was for him and what i watched with lenora's and whatever the hell is going on with their offense and again i understand he has way better weapons better offensive line than anything allen had at wyoming but you have these these drives where it feels like lenora's is like the only one that's giving them any kind of chance at all and that he's it may not be pretty but he's surviving considering it feels like the offensive challenges that they have that that's the positive version of this because other people are looking at you thinking you and we'll throw mention there too that you guys sound crazy that you keep falling in love with the physical gift but you're not and it's just not clicking the way that you would expect for somebody who's projected to be a top 10 pick it's so much more than physical physical gifts and and yes he's as fast as he is twitchy and he's like you could argue he and maybe damon williams in in a class with just loaded with athleticism more so than we've ever seen before like a potential draft class with this kind of speed and athleticism a quarterback i don't think we've ever seen before okay and yes he has a rifle arm the ball just snaps out of his mouth and he's like oh my god he's like oh my god he's like oh my god and he just snaps off of his hand and he can he makes throws from one hash to the other sideline and just rips it um the physical traits can be blinding but i've like i've been through a couple rodeos with this man like i i know what's what's real and what isn't and what i i loved watching even last year when it was a mess and the offensive coordinators fired now they're bringing in kendall bryles and his offense has always scored 50 points wherever he is like so it's not just a projection of what he's with he's not just a projection of what he's with he's not just a it's it's watching the development under horrible circumstances and watching him not consistently enough yet and there's some underneath throw he's just got to take some heat off the fastball and like relax that a little bit but that stuff's coachable too um but like some spectacular throws that are not just off platform and arm angles like drop back in rhythm drill it then some anticipation throws like sometimes when the quarterback makes the throw where i'm like if i pause it in this moment i'm like fuck is he going with that ball you're like what and then all of a sudden you see the the arc and the receiver under like so i and then you hear about him the guy and the and the and he's quiet and he's reserved he's a manning passing academy two years ago and i swear he didn't come back because like he ain't never going to be a camp counselor or coach it's just not his thing but but guys respect the hell out of him and kind of that quiet lead by quieter or lead by example uh smart as a whip picks things up i think he's i think he could be special like really really special i really do i think this guy i don't think the world has any clue how talented he is i really don't you just went the whisper man on us talking about lenora sellers if that's i know we have to make that a breakout video we have to just for that alone yeah 30 this month to celebrate the milestone canes is hosting a 30th birthday pop-up museum in baton rouge located directly behind the original restaurant the mothership todd graves will be unveiling the museum on august 25th in honor of 30 years of canes the brand is also launching a commemorative 90s plush puppy available beginning august 26th featuring cane in her 90s best net proceeds benefit pet welfare organizations i just had canes the other day we filmed a commercial at my house and i was surrounded by chicken fingers there was kids running through the villages just wondering what is that smell and i was like it's me and then i just had everybody over and there was a sauce everywhere what a party i'm a caniac guy and if i'm feeling real aggressive i'll throw a couple side fingers in the mix raising canes chicken fingers one love cj car i like them i like them the receivers back too okay now is it a non-starter for a guy who can't give you anything in the run game at quarterback now for nfl teams no it's not a non-starter but you better be as smart as cj card and you better have have the ability to hit spots the way that he does but it's certainly like it is different man i was talking earlier today to someone i it's remarkable it is like it would be like me stopping right now and for the next 15 years going deciding that i was going to be an nba scout it's not totally dissimilar to me it's not totally dissimilar to me it's not totally dissimilar to me from what my first um 12 or so years and and by the way playing the position pop warner high school high school college not a but like being around that position basically since i was like nine years old right um to what it has been in the last let's call it 12 15 years and the transition from that position um and and it's been awesome to watch but it it's certainly like it's not but then again you look around the league and even the mobile guys they're they're they're how much are they using their mobility like truly you know and i see some i see a pocket mobility with car and like the instincts that he has to move around and extend some plays that's that's functional enough like i think he has like i think above average like hanging tough sidestep stepping sliding um i think he has that ability but he's just he's just not much of a runner you know like you're never going to be able to do that you're never going to be able to design a run he's never going to kill you with a with a stringing multiple moves together but like the ball placement especially over the middle of the field down the seams those those throws he's so smart dude he is so smart he he's he's the i would argue he's the like if you could if you could um test or quality like quantify i guess i'm clearly not smart um if you if if you could study take a test and we could see the grade of it thank you sir if he would he would he would be the smartest he would be the among the smartest if not the smartest in this class like he is on yeah lloyd carr's grandfather he's been around ball his whole life but the way he processes shit it's different it's just different so best processor yes if you could grade if you could everyone sat down and took a test now uh but i like this though like now i'm just saying like okay best pure arm talent out of this class best so you're saying cj is the best processor out everybody in this class based on the tape to this point Yes. And I'll just watch him, being around him a little bit, Manning Passing Academy, and just hearing him talk through defensive coverages and all that, and leverages and seams and inverted safeties. And it feels like he's kind of a step ahead of what the highest level college quarterback should be in terms of the processing aspect of it. We'll see. I mean, I just, I think, plus you look at Notre Dame, and now we're talking about college football. Notre Dame's schedule, the runway he has, the more emphasis that's going to be put on, like, I would be shocked if he's not a Heisman finalist and could very well win the Heisman this year, you know? Okay, that's good. I'll add him to the list. I know why you had, and again, you're way too early, Mark. You had six quarterbacks going in the top 10. I'm saying. Now, looking back at stuff from last year, there's something, you can sit there and say, okay, well, look at all these dudes he's thrown to. But the completion percentage, which is not my favorite, it's actually trying to become one of my least favorite stats now with quarterbacks, but this says something to me. He had the number one QB rating of any quarterback statistically, okay? If they win that Indiana game, he ends up maybe winning the Heisman, by the way. But he was fourth in yards. Per attempt. So he's got a 78% completion percentage, but it's not just because he's thrown out to the flats and he's bubbles and running backs the entire time. He's got the fourth best yards per attempt. I'm sure there's probably some depth of target stuff there that either be in his favor, not in his favor. And when you look at like a CJ, you know, he's at 67% completion with the same average yards per attempt. So this was not saying just taking all the easy stuff. And it felt like the way they ran that offense. And because they were. Quarterback and college ball. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me I'm crazy if you think I'm totally off on it, but go ahead. The highest possible end comp would be Drew Brees. I don't know that he's going to be that, but I don't know that we've seen the most of saying. And when I say the most, I want to see a little bit more aggressive. Like there were games. I'm trying to think. Was it Penn state? There was a couple of games where he, he was, he was taking shots down the field and you could see like, I want it. And listen, he's, he's a red shirt freshman last year. First year starter. He got the keys to this Lamborghini and it's like, please don't crash it. So like, maybe that's what it feels like. Yeah. So I'm, I'm, why would they need him forcing any ball all season long when you're winning by 30 points for 11 straight games? Agreed. Agreed. Agree to agree. I just, I, I want to see a little bit more mobility and, and, and be forced into some situations where, cause I know we can, I know he's a little bit more mobile than, than people want to give him credit. I know he's got a little bit more creativity. And so I want to see that become more natural. And I think in year two, we're going to see that from it. Here's the problem. You got Dante Moore who would just slice you to death like a surgeon. You got Lenora seller. Who's a freak show physically. You got CJ car. I just told you all about him. Sam Levitt is the outside of Lenora sellers might be the most dynamic, explosive quarterback in this class. And Sam Levitt and Lane Kiffin are going to be on a rocket ship this year. And I can't wait. Two years ago, this is, I mean, Sam was unbelievable that year. I'm also, it's very Jackson Dartish. I'm like, Hey, this is fun as hell. Are you going to be around November 7th? Even if they're not like what they're going to, what I think that they're going to do this year at LSU offensively with, with Kiffin and Levitt. I don't think anyone has an idea of how great it can be. We'll see if it happens, but it could. Sam Levitt is so fucking explosive. Like, and his arm is so loose in the way he rips it. And it's like all these guys and everyone in the every walk of life, your, your greatest strengths, my greatest strengths are fatal flaws. No question about it. I'm on schedule. Get his eyes where they need to go. Like my homes was like, but his mechanics were a disaster. And then he got a year with Alex Smith. He got a year with Andy Reed. Like I'm telling like this, this guy's got to, he's got a chance to be the number one overall pick. So does Arch. So does Dante. So does Lenora. So does CJ. And so when I look at saying the reason I'm saying all of this is that I don't think Julian saying ever has a chance to be the number one. Overall pick. I think, I think if he maxes this thing out, he's a top 15 pick something like that. I think I could see him like being mid to late first round when it'd been probably not after this year, but after the next year, but you can never take away. First of all, he's absolutely sensational college player. And second of all, like in the right system, he, he throws it better than two. I think like in the right system, he can have success in the league. It's just, it's got to come together more for him than it does. Maybe some of these other cats. So to repeat, you think five guys or six guys are in play to be the number one pick. I think Dante Moore is the odds on favorite right now. I think Arch could so easily get there, but I've got him below a few other guys. I think Lenora sellers, if it comes together and he like, I think Lenora sellers like should be considered like neck and neck more. So honestly, based off of what they are right now, more so one, a one B with Dante Moore in my mind, then, then Arch. Manning, even though that's the narrative, CJ car can absolutely push to be the number one overall pick. If he elevates his game, Sam Levitt, like I know I I'm not saying he will be, but I'm telling you, he could wind up being the best quarterback from this class. And so if he's not the number one, I think he could easily be a top 10 pick, maybe top five. And then there's a couple other guys that are, that are like Nico Iamali Ava for all the jokes. And the Tennessee stuff and the money and how the dad's involvement and all the stuff we want to throw at that young man. I saw a competitiveness about him last year when things just were a disaster that really like, I was like, huh, maybe the national deal on Nico's different than than the real deal, even though there's Yeah, there's some noise and all that. This guy's like chips down, ass handed to him, punched in the mouth over and over. Again, just bounce back, make throws, really, really good on in breakers, intermediate, like, hang in the pocket. And then when he takes off and runs, he's a he's a nightmare. And I'll tell you the other guy, Daman Williams, Washington, I was expecting I got to do this report. He's a great athlete. He's like a slot receiver, a quarterback, kind of know kind of got a feel for it's probably going to get some limitations. Maybe you could develop them. I don't. And I'm watching. I'm like, shit, he can make all that. I'll a bunch of these throws, too. He's actually a really good quarterback, not just athlete. That's why this class is just it's wild to me. And I haven't even mentioned my Ava USC who's gonna have an awesome year. I think worst case, he's a second round pick, but John material and what he can be changing his motion, thumb back, you know, thumb back functional again. It's going to be an awesome year. Okay, having said all that, I'm going to spring this on you. Seven picks each. We're going to do 14 quarterbacks, just go back and forth. And the exercise here is like, how many have first rounders? How many actually get drafted? Because the fascinating thing I think about any of this stuff is a year out. Like you go back a year ago, it's Aller, it's Nussmeyer, it's Klubnick. Yeah, no, three of those three are pretty fucking good in training camp right now, huh? Yes, they are. Yes, they are. But it's, but yeah, I'm not shitting on you guys. I look, this is not I get it. I get you get the point. And I've said this, like, if I wanted to argue, hey, the answer is yes. Yeah, I'm not shitting on you guys. I look, this is not I get you get the point. And I'm like, if I wanted to argue, hey, the answer is yes. watching these guys i like fuck it no one ever taught us that it was just like pick up a ball you know uh i threw a ball to you and stanford steve in columbus once and it was just met with absolute horror and i thought i had a hose you guys are like oh my god loop much and i'm throwing like darts and it's just absolute arms right now like you and tebow it's the same like i can't throw brady quinn's like you can't be jacked i can see that's why i can't wait for quarterback did you read dave wilson's piece on espn on the history of the jack quarterback i think it's the best college football content of august it's fucking awesome yeah check it out yeah i'll send it to you after this it's really good all right are you ready here's the plan and by the way shout out to mensch jayden ball love i'm all for it yes let me know what size jersey he wears jayden ball needs to be a part of this be talked about i'm i can't believe your first text of the 2025 college football season on a saturday i think was was ball related a lot of my content this year is going to be ball related all right uh you can go first todd so the exercise todd versus ryan let's see we'll come up with a scoring system real transparency we'll probably never revisit this again but we'll just i think this would be fun in case anyone's ever remember sir rudy clip this off for next april perfect done i'm gonna use ai you can go first so you want to basically put together the best composite group of your seven that you think is going to go higher than mine pretty stand wait so i'm picking seven quarterbacks right now does not in a row you're gonna go then i'm gonna go yeah you don't get the first seven picks i get pick eight through 14 i'll take john day more i'll go chuck okay i'll go arch but based on your intel i might have been wrong but i'm gonna go with you and able to get him a little bit later i just think the odds are i can't do it especially okay i'm gonna go cj then i'll go levitt put my money where my mouth is which is one quarterback we didn't talk about who's fucking awesome too but go ahead i hope you don't figure out who it is right in this moment i just gave you a clue i'm gonna take mess to make a right now then oh gosh take him are you kidding me did you see the rice throw you and men watch the rice i've been doing shows for like five hours today yeah i've had this bug it's been like following me around loves the content yep uh that mess to make her 52 yard bomb against rice traffic around his legs and he's still leading his receiver i'm just gonna put next to mess to maker's name rice throw and i'm gonna i'm gonna keep this in the in my desk 52 yard for when we revisit okay rice throw okay um so i've got dante and sellers and sam levitt you've got cj car arch and mess to make her i'm taking trinidad chambliss is the guy we didn't talk about who i've got ranked six just behind arch okay i will then so if arch cj mess to make her off the board man i gotta i gotta tell you like when i watch him i don't feel like it looks as good and i can't watch with such an astute eye as yourself but i'll take i'll take mensa now he's what nothing i just i i could do this all day long with you why you think you're running circles around me right now no i no not even that like why do i i'm enjoying this more than anything i've done today mess to make her may have been a reach but you gotta be gonna be daring sometimes and you haven't seen the rice throw so how proud are you of me it's august i'm watching mess to make her throws i'm proud of you i'm proud of you but i've never questioned your your want to uh so who did you take i was i was just laughing at this that's it oh yeah that's i love that um i'm taking em ali ava whoa not even on my board yep okay this is where the mess to make her thing may come back around give me saying okay i like that this is where i get an edge on you i know this is where all the hours show up this is yeah this is this is like choosing choosing tape over beach um i'm going to climb me damon williams damon williams all right i'll go my ava okay i got an interesting one for you i'm taking sorsby i don't blame you you you sold me hard on him when we got off the phone that day because i was like why are we all talented but i just don't know what you do with a out a year of playing football it'd be one thing if you're cj car or saying or or or more or even like sellers like it's another one your whole draft stock was contingent on you playing and getting more like developing but go ahead sorry give me josh hoover so no material no well i was just i was going through my i know you thought i would take material i did yeah i look i respect the hell out of them yeah me too i mean i think the first i got some of those on the record it is it for me it's disrespectful materials on this board that that messed the maker and and hoover were taken before him i just want to i want that for the record so you're taking material right now i thought we had seven each right i get more seller dante more lenore sellers i get sam levitt trinidad chambliss let's make it amaliava damon williams brendan sorsby and with my eighth and final pick i'm taking john matier okay great do you have another one yeah i'm gonna take drake lindsay okay i just wanted to take him i knew it i love it cj bailey still available cj bailey is gonna have a monster year but i think he could have another year after this satan craig from tcu i'm hearing really good reports out of there i had him written down i had kevin jennings has been hanging around ball for a long time smu yeah this is fun this was great thanks for having some time for us today check out the show and read the mcshay report uh with our guide todd we'll talk to you again soon all right brother see you soon this segment is brought to you by draft kings they asked me to put together some over-unders on the season so i've got two college i've got two pro for you all right let's start with everyone's favorite terrible schedule which is the draft kings draft kings draft kings draft we don't know if they're going to be any good penn state nittany lions who play marshall temple and buffalo out of conference and they play three ranked big 10 teams but they don't play indiana they don't play ohio state they don't play oregon um so they got sc michigan and washington so the two road games there that matter all season long are at michigan at washington so people are actually looking at it and look i brought it up with stanford seed like do you want them to make the playoffs because this is the conference expansion stuff that drives me absolutely crazy that two teams can be in the same conference and they're going to be in the same conference and have two completely different experiences by the way look at ohio state's schedule on top of that they're also playing texas out of conference like they did last year which penn state doesn't like to do stuff like that so the total right now is nine and a half wins that's a massive number for a team and again get rid of a lot of the team and we all expect um that matt campbell's going to do a terrific job here but i don't know this team's going to be any good but everybody's projecting a ton of wins i'm going to go minus 142 under nine and a half wins for them i'm going to stay in the big 10 and look at indiana it feels weird to think of indiana following up maybe one of the most remarkable certainly unexpected seasons in the history of college football i thought they were frauds in 24 and in 25 they were basically flawless just putting the hammer down on really good teams and running through the schedule and so i could get into the schedule stuff here a little bit ohio state's going to be at home um they've got usc at home so there's only one ranked game on the road i just think they're that good again i love hoover i liked hoover a lot better right now than i did mendoza coming into last year even though mcshade did give us a heads up on mendoza watching the cal tape so when i think about the line play and really like year three of a guy being in town for a program is kind of when this thing's supposed to be get cranked up i mean you want to talk about ahead of schedule this is one of the most ahead of schedule turnarounds we've ever seen in the history of the sport i think they win the big 10 again this year so i'm going indiana over 10 and a half minus 104 in the nfl got two teams for you the pats and the bears the pats had an historic easy schedule last year they made it all the way to the super bowl i get it i'm going under 10 and a half wins minus 140 it is i'd say the fifth or sixth hardest schedule go through it there's not a lot of time off and if it's one weak opponent it's right into somebody else who maybe has a chance to play in their own conference championship game and again i'm spreading that out outside of buffalo i feel like the afc has and i know some people at baltimore there the other way around but i'm going to go under 10 and a half wins minus 140 lots happen fourth but that afc feels like i could see eight or nine different stories out of this conference and again i tear all those teams behind buffalo so i'm going to go under 10 and a half new england might be better their roster should be more talented kind of not an indiana in a parallel but again way ahead of schedule when you think about all that roster turnover from the pats so i'm gonna go under 10 and a half they might be the better team the hardest schedule in the nfl by all accounts the chicago bears the number is nine and a half i think the bears will be better they may have a worse record so i'm gonna go under minus 125 so three unders for you the under guy when everybody else is taking over check out the latest on draft kings the whisper man on netflix out this week and adam scott the star joins us here i really enjoyed this little silence of the lambs a little additional flavor my alarm went off in my home and one of the big scenes at the end i was upstairs watching and it sounded like somebody's breaking into my basement the exact yeah so added a lot of extra tension um but that's what i loved about this movie it kind of just starts and never really stops what got you into the project how did that process start for you um um I it uh the first thing that happened was i saw james uh ashcroft's first film coming home in the dark a few years ago just randomly uh on netflix and i was blown away by it i i and and i just wanted to talk to someone who knew how it was made and asked my agent if i could talk to this guy james ashcroft and so i just got a zoom with them not to like see about a job or anything i just wanted to talk to him because i thought it was an extraordinary movie it terrified me and i thought it was audacious and just i hadn't seen anything like it so i kind of knew james just from that and coincidentally then two or three years later this came up and robert de niro is one of my heroes obviously i'm an actor i'm robert de niro is going to be my hero um and so i i i you know my i wanted to do it and then saw james was directing it and was like oh my god and uh somehow finagled them into hiring me well they made a great choice did you read the book did you feel like you had to do that i did yeah as soon as i got the job i read the book yeah okay i'm glad you brought up de niro before i did because i'm like what's the question right because you're going i know this is what your job is but is there a moment and being in a scene with him that you'll remember forever all of it i don't think i'll ever forget any of it i um i never got used to it loved working with him and really you know watching him work so hard and also watching him sort of do a take and think about it and be like can i get one more i'm just i'm i don't know i want to try and real watching him and realizing oh my god this guy is still figuring it out he's still trying to wrap his mind around this mysterious thing that we do that i feel like i'm still not totally get it's and i and i realize it never ends you're always searching and always trying to get better always growing here's robert fucking de niro and he's still like god i don't yeah i don't know let's try and uh it was uh a bit of a watershed moment for me and really uh inspiring both just to to see that and just to know that you know you can you can accomplish everything that somebody like like he's accomplished and still be searching and still be uh trying to improve and and figure it out what i love about the dynamic between the two of you is that a lot of the backstory is held back you know we're not just gifted it all in the first 10 minutes and so even though the movie moves i like that the reveals pay off more as you're like oh this is the other layer to it and you know i imagine you're like all right i want to match the moment here because it's deniro but then he's so intense but he's understated intense here does that does that make it a little bit more challenging you're like hey i have to i don't have to match his energy i kind of just have to match like where he's at right now because he was never like a super emotional person in this like he could be in other roles yeah he um i think that's it was when we started doing uh forget which scene was first i think it was the one in the diner but seeing that he was approaching it in this really amazing like you said understated way it really fit like a puzzle piece into what's so infuriating about this guy for this for his son who's looking for some sort of an answer and here he is you know i think that one of the strengths of the movie is is that we're not sitting there talking about our feelings and like you said telling our whole backstory and dialogue and all of that it's all behavior and watching deniro's behavior tells you so much about him and so much about probably what happened here where the schism occurred and uh what broke and so it immediately was falling into place for me just why this occurred how much does being a father help you play this role i mean tremendously for me um you know i think that it's inevitable that you're gonna go to your own personal experience playing a role like this where you lose your lose your son lose your kid it's every parent's worst nightmare i mean it's it is the only uh ultimate nightmare i think for any parent and and so you know and you know kind of prepping for the role reading and watching people who have experienced this awful awful thing the second it happens your life ends and this is what everything is about until you find your find your kid this is it just completely takes over you don't sleep or eat or anything this is it your career arc you know i wonder everybody you know look it's gonna sound like i'm i'm just complimenting you here because you gave us some time in the pod but i truly believe this like it feels like everybody likes you and it's like hey he can do this oh no he can also do this was there a moment where it went from like funny side guy to the pivot of no this guy can carry something on his own was there a part of your career you felt like okay this is actually like there's more on the table for me now um it's funny because it's a little bit of frog and boiling water because it took me a long time to sort of find my way i um it was it was never an overnight kind of thing with me it was gradual and i'm really thankful for that i feel like if i got thrown in the deep end at one time or another um and i wasn't ready it would have cost me and i and i maybe wouldn't wouldn't still have a career i'm not sure but i think that certainly by the time severance came along um it it it helped sort of uh show that i could maybe be the person out in front um carrying something the severance project i i love big swings you know but i remember even watching the pilot i remember hearing about it you know with like buddies of mine because i live in los angeles and they're like do you hear about this show that stiller's doing they're like adam's doing it and then you watch the pilot and you go oh my god like i love then you're like how how do you finish this i know you started filming season three um give me your i guess the first question is your first impression and how blown away you probably were going like what are we doing here like when we started right yeah i mean when i first read the script i knew it was uh really special dan erickson had written something really special um and a really really like you said a really big swing and it was either going to work incredibly well or it was going to be a joke like that's what big swings are you take that risk and we all took that risk together and ben was really conceiving of this tone and this designed world and dan had written this this legend of this company and so it was one we really really big swing and uh and we loved it and loved making it and loved it when ben had cut it together but really didn't know if it was going to work or if people were going to react how people were going to react until it was out in the world because you never know you never know um no matter how much you love something it may just be a blip and disappear or everyone points at it and laughs or people can't connect with it and love it you just have no idea um so we're lucky that people did connect with it and people do like it, but you have no control over that. That's, that's one of the big things I learned. How often are you confused about where it's going? I'm not, I have a good sense of, of, of where it's going for sure. But I'm also able to kind of watch it develop and watch it get conceived and written and all of that. So, So it's a lot of people thinking really, really hard about it to make sure it's airtight and going in the right direction. So I was bringing up the career arc part of it and kind of that pivot. How much, and I don't know if you're a real planner. I know some people with agents will be like, hey, in five years, 10 years, and you need to get past this person and all these different things. How has your career gone in comparison to maybe how you envisioned it when you first got started? I was never someone that really planned like that because I never knew what was going to happen. When I started, I was just doing background work. And then I graduated from that to two line guest spots on TV shows up to guest star roles where you. You were part of a real storyline and then eventually up to recurring roles and then series regular roles. It took me a long time. So to say like in six years, I'd like to surpass Skeet Ulrich and be, I just had no basis for saying any of that. I didn't, I was just kind of going step by step, truly. And so, um, now it's, it's a bit different, but I still sort of just kind of go project by project. Although one good thing about where I'm at now is I can start planning a little bit. I can, you know, my wife and I have a company and we produce stuff and so we can set, set stuff up or get stuff going to, you know, hopefully we can get to this in a couple of years. Um, we can do this show at a certain point and, and so we're kind of laying stuff out for the future a little bit now, uh, more than I ever really had before. I was talking about stepbrothers with my friends the other day and we were like, you know, what the real test of something is, is if you're still laughing as hard as you were when you first saw it 10 plus years later, you know, and you're so good in it that you're like almost going, wait, is Adam Scott just a dick in real life? Like he's nailing this. Why do you think when you're a part of something like that, maybe it's the better way to ask when you're part of something like that. Do you, do you have moments where you're like, this feels like it's going to hold up timeless is a lot, but you know, for sure. And, and that was one where, where I thought if, while we were making it, I was like, if I wasn't a part of this, this is a movie I would watch 25 times. This is one of those comedies that I would watch over and over again. And just assuming it was all going to work, and I think it does, because it was Adam McKay and Will and John Riley, and they had just come off Talladega Nights and Anchorman, obviously. And so I felt like this is going to be amazing. And I'm so lucky to be here. This is crazy. I couldn't believe I was there. So it's just a matter of keeping my head above water and not screwing it up, because it was clear that these guys were making something really weird and really special. Do you feel like there's a movement away from comedies? And again, this isn't like the 80s and stuff that you and I, because we're almost the same age, like you grow up with, and we probably named the five movies. You're like, I've watched Trading Places. I've watched Caddyshack a million times, you know, and then there's kind of that late 90s, early 2000s. And now it feels like, I don't know if these movies just aren't a priority. Maybe. Obviously, the business is challenged in a bunch of different ways. But do you feel that, that it's like, yeah, there's just not these timeless comedies being made? Yeah, it's a real bummer. I just watched Gayle Daughtry and the Celebrity Sex Pass the other night. And it is, have you seen it yet? No, no. It is so fucking funny. It is so funny. There's like nine different points where I was rewinding and watching bits over again. It is so funny. And I know it had a quick theatrical run. Maybe it's still playing in some places. But I want that. I was like, I want a movie like this every three weeks. Like, there was a time when we were getting all these big comedies. And yeah, I hope we're at a point. Naked Gun, a couple years ago, it did really well. And so it seemed like maybe that it was going to be a resurgence of comedies. And I hope there are. I hope people keep making them. But Gayle Daughtry and the Celebrity Sex Pass, I think, is a really good sign that comedy is alive and well. And so I hope we keep making them. Yeah, look, we're all just massive fans of the work. And I really enjoyed it. The Whisper Man, it is out August 28th on Netflix. And Adam and an amazing cast put together a great performance. Yeah. Thanks, man. Thanks for the time today. Yeah, thank you. Netflix is expanding its NFL coverage in 2026 from week one to the first ever Thanksgiving Eve matchup and two Christmas Day games and a playoff game in January. Week one will feature the league's first ever regular season game in Australia on September 10th between divisional rivals, the Los Angeles Rams and the San Francisco 49ers. We've got then on Thanksgiving Eve, November 25th, Packers at Rams, then two Christmas Day games. As we said, Packers at Bears, one Eastern, followed by Bills at Broncos at 49ers. 4.30 Eastern. And then week 18, with the playoff stakes on the line, catch the final game of the regular season on Netflix. What I love about this lineup is, one, look, I'm picking the Rams to win the whole thing again. That's not all that rare. But we're going to have a little test there to see if that Niners-Rams gap exists. Because as much as I always kind of default to trusting the 49ers, I think there's a significant gap and far more questions with that Niners roster, probably the secondary. All right. Then we're right into a matchup against the Packers, who, again, I always kind of expect the Packers to kind of figure things out. But these are like early. Early tests, depending on how healthy all of these teams are. Bring it back to week one, the Niners, we know it's probably the healthiest they're going to be all season. But real tests in the NFC to see if everyone else, these other contenders, can match up with what the Rams can do, specifically that defensive line for L.A. And then finally, you've got Packers-Bears rematch of the playoff shootout. Incredible game. And also, just a reminder of like the Packers and how bad that was. That was their fifth straight loss with the four coming the regular season. And Bills. Was at Broncos, where it ended up being a game. Allen loses, starts to feel a little bit more playoff criticism than he probably ever had before. But if somebody told me right now, Denver-Buffalo, that's my AFC title game, I'd have a hard time telling them that they were wrong. So we're maybe getting a preview of that on Netflix. Watch week one of the NFL on Netflix, starting with the Los Angeles Rams versus the San Francisco 49ers. Live only on Netflix, Thursday, September 10th at 8.35 p.m. Eastern, 5.35 p.m. Pacific. We'll be right back. Just made his day, a simple man, in the best way possible. Nailed it. All right. Hell yeah. Don't take much. Do you guys ever envy simplicity? Simplicity? Yeah, just. In what context? I'm sure in a bunch, I do. Yes, but yeah, exactly. Wanting less, aspiring to be less. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, I would say. I would say. Both. Both seem like they're not exactly the same thing, but keep going, Sergi. No, like, you know, this isn't, like, this is going to come off wrong, but, like, you know, the people that are like, hey, isn't it just easier to be stupid because then you don't have to think about things that, like, I think that other people think about? You know, like, you're just kind of oblivious to stuff and your life is, you're probably happier. You know, that's kind of how I feel about, like, being on social media. I'm like, man, if I didn't work in this industry, like, fuck this. Like, I'm out. I would be so much more pumped about life. I'd be off social media. I wouldn't know about any of this bullshit because I'll hit up my group chat with my buddies and be like, hey, you guys see this? And they're like, no. I'm like, good for you. Yeah, I know. Good for you. Wait till your group chat gets older. They'll start sending you the techno Viking. Like, my guys are a month away from sending me the techno Viking clip. Like, have you seen this? Yeah. Maybe we get it from my group next year. Because if I show them anything day of, they're like, what? What happened? Like, is this a big deal? So, maybe that'll be a topic. You should have some sort of philosopher on. Somebody. I sort of wish the crown jewel wasn't in New York State. I'm like, man, I wish the place that I love so much was in, like, Missouri. And, like, you know, everything was cheap. Like, we'd have a house and we'd, like, you know, cigarettes are five bucks and there's no state tax. It's like, why is the place that I need to be in my bones got to be in New York State? Because this is a guy who's been watching House Hunters too much. It's like, should I move to Waco? Is Waco actually sick? I mean, even my brother is in Buffalo. And it's just like they got a they got like a pretty sick house for like under 200. And it's just like, man, why is why don't I love Buffalo? Why? Why couldn't it be that easy? But maybe maybe that's sort of what you're saying a little bit. I don't know. States with no state income tax. Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota. I wish there was a pro franchise in South Dakota. Then we can have a look. I was going to play. Well, Deadwood and those state tax, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and good old Wyoming, according to this list. So Missouri might not work. I just threw out Missouri. I don't know. I figured you do well in Missouri. Thanks. You and Smallman. Yeah, you go. Smallman. Smallman could show you the ropes. Big City, Shelly. Big City. She'll love that. I just want to edit it out. No one rides harder for their city, too, than her, man. Yeah, we saw it in person. Cronky just thought he was taking it a little Super Bowl party. And it's like, nope. Here comes Hurricane Michelle. Yep. She's not going to like any of these nicknames. Nope, she's not. It's all right. I'm going to have to apologize not in advance after the fact. Yeah, I don't know. I was thinking about that the other day. It'd be kind of awesome to not try. Yeah, I think about it a lot for a little while. Not like in a bad way, not in a negative way, but like, what if you just said, yeah, I don't care. I don't care about any of this stuff anymore. Yeah, you're doing the whole like, what is it? You can't be disappointed if you don't have expectations, right? You know? Yeah, think about all the extra cash I'd have if I wasn't doing an IRA. I think about that all the time. Like, I totally. I don't know if that's the conclusion. I don't think that's what we're. Yeah, I think, you know, keep doing that, Kyle. Of course, I know. I'm just saying. You're fine with that one. These are the shower thoughts. It's like, man, I wonder how much that would have added up to. $5 cigarettes. God, this IRA sucks. Yeah, I think about, like, I think about that. I've got, you know, one of my buddies is, he's, he's the dink, you know, dual income, no kids situation. And you're like, you know, they're just jet setting across the globe. And you're like, man, that'd be cool. But then I'm like, nah, man, that actually, that wouldn't be for me. But there are times when you're like, yeah, that part of it looks really cool. Yeah, I think that's the big tease of all of it. You create these scenarios in your head. You're like, I know that I can't. Like, I didn't have anything to do last night. And it was driving me crazy. I'd finished this project. I just finished it at, like, five. And then I went to go read this book. And then I came back and I was just sitting around. And I was like, I don't have, I'd already prepped a show. And I went, yeah, you're probably never going to be like that. All right. So there you go. Little thoughts. But so, yeah. Maybe get on. We've thought about simplicity a little bit. Yeah. Maybe we get Kyle on South Dakota Zillow. I bet you could. I will say. He has broadcaster money. Now that I'm back. Well, yeah, I do. Except for, remember a couple years ago, I told you guys I was really bummed out that I wasn't invited to weddings. It turns out everyone was just, like, holding back. And now I'm invited to all these weddings. And they're really, like, some of them have attached bachelor parties. And, like, these weddings, it's, like, Dominican Republic, Italy, Colombia. And, like, I mean, these people have no shame. Why can't we just go to New Jersey? I know that's where you're from. Like, I don't understand. Maybe they want you to say no. Careful what you wish for is really. Yeah. I don't think so, though. I mean. Not you. Not you. I don't think so. You're a tier one invite. But careful what you wish for. I think when people do do that, though, it's like, hey, we can thin this out a little bit. Yeah. Maybe they only want it that way. I've reached. You guys are really with Guam this time of year? No, actually. Make sure you get your vaccinations. I passed most. Like. Most of the wedding part of my life that, you know, my friends get married, yada, yada. Now I'm in, like, the. We have, I think, four of the five weekends in September. We got a. We got a kid's birthday party. First birthday party. The big one. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, boy. Okay. All right. Tough scene. Yeah. I was going to say some New Year's Eve benders there, but I think I missed the window there. I don't know. Maybe after a New Year's Eve breakup. Makeup sex. I don't know. Okay. The reason we're stalling here is because we have so much extra time in front of us. We have another taping, so we had some room to explore the space here. All right. So let's run through. Someone called the cops on my two-year-old, 5'11", 170, 34 years old, player comp, Jason Capono. That's a new one. Got an interesting call tonight from the nice lady who lives across the street. She said that yesterday while my wife and I were at work, the police showed up at her house because they received a call about a crying baby. For context, our son, let's call him Dave. Yeah. Because he could be listening. A two-year-old Dave. Dave seems like such a weird name for a two-year-old, just reading that sentence. He is. Yeah. You got to be Dave until at least six, I think. Has anyone ever introduced their one or two-year-old and be like, oh, it's Dave. Bob's here. It doesn't make any sense. I hope someone who has a David starts doing it. Bob's on hard food now. Good for him. Guy. That's my two-year-old guy. Bob's off the formula. Yeah, Bob. It's taking a big step. That should come back, though. You know? Because now everyone's into like, you know, Brayden, Jaden, Caden, whatever. And like adult Brayden, Jaden, Caden's are going to be weird. You know? That's almost weirder than baby Bob. That's a great point. Really introspective on this episode today. Yeah. We're off to an odd start. I'm biased, of course, but Dave's a very happy and overall great kid. My wife and I are both loving the journey. We both love, we both work and have a nanny who has stayed at our place during the day with our son full time since he was about six months old. Our house is in a neighborhood a couple of miles outside of downtown. Think old homes, young families, but also plenty of older folks as well. We're also only a block off the main road with restaurants, a grocery store, apartment buildings. So there's foot traffic going by our house sometimes. I share all this because we don't know who called the police. Our neighbor talked to them and shared her frustration at their arrival because newsflash two-year-olds cry sometimes. The neighbor talked to the police because she was, she saw them knocking on our door and no one answered. The police either didn't have a name for who called in or chose not to disclose it to our neighbor. Who knows? Based on when this was said to have happened, our nanny was either out with her son on a morning outing or upstairs getting him ready for a nap. We immediately shared this with each of our next door neighbors, one family with two young kids and one couple without kids and asked if they've ever noticed anything concerning going on while we're at work. Both said no. Obviously, our top priority is Dave's safety. It says our son's, but I just wanted to say it again. Hell yeah. But we think it's a good thing. I think it's highly unlikely, this is something bigger here, we're home pretty often and have a great relationship with our nanny. How far should I go to try and uncover who may have called? Asking more people on my street, the houses who share a backyard fence with us that I don't know and have never talked to, or just accept that maybe the person who called was just someone passing by who doesn't understand that babies cry sometimes. Also, how would you suggest notifying our nanny of what happened and acknowledging the severity of the situation while also not coming across so accusatory that it could damage a very important relationship? Unfortunately, you're not going to get any paperwork from this because there's no court. Usually, you find out who called who once you're in, but you're not going that far. So, you're not going to find out that way. My guess would be the people who don't have kids, that's your neighbor. That's my guess. I would immediately put the children havers out of the equation. That's minus a thousand. Yeah, they don't have kids. I don't think anyone would be concerned that something's happening to this child just because it's screaming loud because, yeah, like you said, newsflash, it happens. Because I know the further away you get from the city, the lower the noise tolerance is. If you lived in an apartment, the people that you shared a wall with would not call the cops about something like this, but you can have somebody across the street that's annoyed. I would hope that you studied both of them when you asked them, that both neighbors, and you're like, hey, something weird happened today. Hope you really did the Larry David look in their eyes. Maybe you could glean something from that, but I don't know. This is. This is something that I don't think you're going to be able to get to the bottom of if nobody wants to fess up, unless it's just a concerned citizen that was born yesterday and doesn't understand how the world works. I don't know. I know. It feels like one of those things you're just never going to find out. Like my old house, my next door neighbor was just the call the cops guy. The neighborhood knew him as the call the cops guy. It was dogs. It was whatever. There was always a problem. You always had some sort of thing going on. And it was like, all right, at least it makes it easy. Whenever these complaints happen, we pretty much know who it's going to be every time. And you can kind of keep your distance. So you're probably not finding out. For the babysitter thing, I think it's pretty easy to just bring up the incident innocently and just say, hey, this happened the other day. Did you hear anything? The cops, they didn't come over, right? Because then you could just kind of play off a little bit dumb and see if she has any information that maybe she was afraid to share with you because you're confronting her with it. But I think just bringing up what happened to her is totally normal and fine. And maybe you'll get something out of it. It's weird that she didn't answer the door, but I guess he's got two perfectly plausible reasons why. It's a lot of. Yeah, they may not have been there. Right. And if you're upstairs with a screaming baby, I don't know the layout. We don't know. We don't have any blueprints to work off of here. The cop knocks pretty loud, though. I don't think they've ever knocked on doors lightly in my experience. It's pretty loud and harrowing. Okay. But if a police officer was outside and it sounded like beyond just a crying baby, then they're probably being a little bit more forceful of what they feel like they have to monitor. They may have come by and heard nothing. Nothing. Okay. Or they may have heard a baby crying and been like. you know whatever i i you know i i think the nanny thing is probably worth addressing you've known this person they've been in your house they've been with your child now for a year and a half based on the timeline that you've given us and i understand maybe if there could be a language barrier or whatever but is there a way where you can go hey really something strange our neighbors are told that somebody came and so it's not an accusatory fashion at all but you could just be like this is a team right here yeah yeah was he having a fit you know i just wanted to know in case like anybody would recall again the chances are it was an insane person heard a regular baby crying and decided to you know guardian angel this thing so i wouldn't put too much thought into it i would have to think that a nanny cam would either be something you've already invested in or maybe should invest in because this feels like a strike two situation like if it were something like this to happen again then we're talking about a completely different set of circumstances that need to be addressed but i would think instead of like sitting the nanny down in a dark dining room at the end of the day and feeling like they're being interrogated you just kind of collectively as the group be like hey something strange or whatever like was he losing it the other day and then you all just kind of laugh about it she's like yeah like i was trying to put him down he wouldn't go down or whatever and then you kind of have it but it does seem weird that somebody would maybe process just a normal crying baby in a way that they felt like they had to call the police yeah and it sounds like you would have a suspect number one if i was going to ask like has anyone ever complained that you're you're a criminal you're a criminal you're a criminal you're a criminal is too smoky or like there's six of you in the backyard on your patio and they're like hey you know it's sunday like has that ever happened because that would be my number one suspect i think he would have included that in the email so but i feel like that's that would be more likely what it is but i don't know yeah to the point about who it would be to like younger dudes i mean i get 20 whatever year old me i'm not calling the cops if i hear a crying baby but there are just things that i didn't know then that i know now like i remember talking to i remember talking to a guy at the old place when i took paternity and he was just like why don't you just stay home you work from home like the baby could just be at home and i'm like that's the most that is the most mid-20s something i've i've ever heard in my entire life because i would get literally nothing done all day like i mean it's just that's but i wouldn't you wouldn't know that so i might the point being is that like you know maybe like some kid heard a baby crying he just has no idea what's going on thought he was doing his part by calling 9-1-1 on a on maybe like a bike ride by or something and thought he was doing a good thing and he's actually crying and he's like oh my god i'm actually just kind of an idiot i would i can't wait to take paternity leave yeah it's not too late line it up football season sorry guys my check's still coming in though here we go here we go oh you think this is a shot at you no well yeah i don't know you know i get some stress you i think the second one you put off right you took that on the back end i did i yeah you waited till everything died down a little bit she came a month early so that threw a wrench in the works and we just started zach low's new show and i was like i can't really take off right now so yeah so i feel like i did take one for the team a little bit but you know one for that and then yeah i think we all summer way yeah yeah okay different topic girl i'm seeing is a bad kisser six foot 160 28 years old i'll cut to the chase and keep it quick i've gone on two dates with this girl she's fun to hang out with cute super sweet but she is all caps a bad kisser like to the point where it's not even enjoyable while it's happening i'm like what is going on here i should not have this much saliva on my face oof passionate passionate lady my question is is there any feasible way to broach the subject without her making things incredibly awkward and or being rude i'd like to keep hanging out with her but i feel this is an ick i might not be able to get over it let me know your thoughts signed anonymous comes down to reps you know what i mean i don't know she may have a shot you you but you can't mess with her sometimes yeah you can kind of take charge without saying words though you know what i mean like they try to do this with tebow's throwing motion and what happened there you , you know there's like some pull away some gentle lip nibbling or something you could you could do a lot keep your left up have a little tongue manipulation you could do a lot you know what i mean and you just kind of take charge some people actually want you to so i think i think you could definitely try that but i i think the approaching of the subject should be off the table i think she might not admit it but she would want you to ghost her before you said some shit like that i know that cooler heads saying like yeah we'd like to get this fixed you know as we move along in life but it's just not going to be received well so that's the thing too is when do you like what when do you bring it up is it right after you make out is it like randomly on a tuesday like totally away can't be randomly kissed like i think it has to be in the act and the joke thing is right how's your day you ruin the mood after like a makeout session because like one it's not a peck though so it's not just like how was your day here's a kiss it's like you know you're you know things are getting maybe a little steamy and you're just gonna hit the brakes 100 be like actually here's a couple things that i just want us to work on you know together and it's mostly just things about her kissing and i think a joke is even worse if you're just like oh jeez gotta bring a bib next time or something i mean that's not gonna work either even though you're trying to like take it easy you know trying to keep it light i don't think that's gonna work so you can say nothing but like maybe do you exaggerate it by like well then you're gonna feel like you're getting assaulted you know you can't do nothing no i'm saying you do nothing but you show that clearly something is wrong so then she asked you and then it opens the door to be like well you know you asked me here's why just put a roll of paper towel and you're like down at the coffee table all right let's watch this movie john wick floor i'm excited what if you just went bad kiss her back just came up with all sorts of different games yeah there's like a town sucking thing going on which i saw was in in you know is i don't know if it's like a gen z thing but not for me but yeah like there are certain some new moves out there that i that i'm not privy to could start smoking cigarettes you might be grossed out by that and then you just guys i don't know i mean when it's bad it's it's really bad i remember there was like a tornado situation that i was dealing with a long time ago and i was kind of like sheesh this is like who told you this was a tornado so i just got yeah no teeth teeth is the worst one we're clinking teeth that's a problem yeah but that's like it's usually he's bad breath is tough breath you really can't get over some people yeah i think i'm i'm yeah s tier perhaps wow s tier yeah these things make it easy but i'm serious guys i'm not even kidding you're that good i'm awesome is this a natural skill or is this something you just like yeah i think just forever honestly forever you just have you had it in you yeah that's great you know yeah there's a lot of natural collagen as well just going so i think it's just you know josh josh allen was born six five with a cannon arm kyle was just born with a great mouth look at those lips yeah not kidding not kidding at all content we may have ever done who's told you that like if that are you like probably like 50 just verbally out loud saying hey this is awesome the first kiss being like wow damn it's true yeah that's awesome dude i yeah i'm i'm not so that's you know there you go you know you're a bad kisser i'm not a bad kisser i just don't know that i'm like a great kisser like you're keeping up yeah yeah like i'm not you know i'm not kyle yeah yeah who is that's fine though you know ryan's quiet yeah i get to be sucks you get to be such a shitty dynamic sorry all right let's see i don't really know i mean do we do we say anything else to this guy look everything's a trade-off here like all the other stuff is great can you find a way can you work on this can you can you get up to a 220 grit sand down the rough edges here yeah we're working on fundamentals paper yeah yeah but deal breakers are to me are okay like not everything like hey maybe it is a deal breaker like maybe she's just not that's just it's okay like yeah that'll be part of it yeah yeah like there's that whole trend of like girls saying that what what like x what dudes give her like the ick or whatever it's like okay well we can't control half of these things like sometimes that's just part of life you're just not attracted to a certain part of somebody because it's something they do i don't know so i mean if you really like her that's a bummer but yeah it does kind of suck just see if you can lead the next couple times that's all well i don't know i mean she she probably here the problem is is whatever she's doing she thinks it's crushing every time i know because most people feel like what the fuck is that take it easy lassie so that's that's uh it's gonna be a tough bridge we'll be right back after a quick word from our sponsors 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that small coupled with my three-year-old wearing a tank top that said big muscles like dad gave me the push i needed i also got myself good for him yeah right he used he used my he goes you can be strong or weak why would you choose weak for motivation that might be in my tombstone although i've never felt weaker all right now to the point i've made great progress over the last two months by creating a routine of lifting every day eating lean high protein meals daily you probably don't need to lift every day buddy just let those muscles grow a little bit but again sometimes i want to just go in there so i totally get it high protein meals daily seeing the gains i stupidly thought i was further along in my journey than i actually am did a military press with weight that i probably wasn't ready for and hurt my shoulder yeah that's what happens you're like i'm just gonna keep smashing all this stuff out you keep pushing yourself and then you might not have the base especially when you get those arms up above your head i couldn't help but think of a story you told a while back about having the same experience and giving advice along the lines of just don't do military press do you have any guidance on recovery or continuing to live with this nagging injury thanks in advance um he also is very complimentary of the show so thank you for that yeah the military thing always drives me crazy because if you do the straight up 90 degree bench angle thing i just think you're putting yourself your shoulders and specifically that area between your shoulder blades in a really compromised position when it starts to go heavy i don't know that the body is actually like you see some dudes doing some insane military press stuff we've always talked about this so plenty of you already heard before just dip the bench back a slot or two so it's not inclined but it's more inclined and it's just going to put way less pressure on your shoulders when you're doing all that kind of stuff and finally when somebody told me that after i fucked myself up so many times i was like oh this is great and here's the thing like you can go heavy but don't go like crazy ego heavy even if you think you're strong because again you're putting yourself in some of these compromised positions at 36 i'm not too worried unfortunately like this is when the bad stuff happens and i'm not too worried about it but i'm not too worried about what happens like with ray leota and goodfellas or like this is the bad times these are the times you know when those injuries are going to start popping up being like what the hell is this and they may not necessarily go away in 48 hours like they did all the other times so a lot of it is stretching if if i had stretched like this i would have been hurt a lot less i'm stretching constantly now stretching stretching stretching and i think if it's i don't know if it's the top of the shoulder if it's behind the shoulder again that shoulder blade thing usually is the thing that's compromised with the military press but i would pull on bands just pull in different directions all the time and i think there's also a lot of stuff where you if you just started lifting the supporting muscles probably are not fully developed so research shoulder injuries and figure out what muscles around it need to be worked on a little bit sometimes i'll just do like 17 pound kettlebells and just pull or sometimes i'll do stand-up military dumbbells 20 pounds 30 pounds 40 50 60 if she's nasty but i you know look the shoulder thing like you can ego out on a chest press and have somebody spot you and if you don't get that last rep you're fine military is a dangerous dangerous game that is the end of my rant fair just makes me think of i yeah i don't have much on that but it just makes me think of i watch that you remember coach wiley that browns guy from hard knocks the big big guy is that the belly guy that when he would the belly guy and it would uh bounce right yeah yeah i have some reason like this week watched him and i'm like oh my god he's so good he's so good he's so good he's so good that video again of him like bitching about stretching and then he was talking about like he was talking about like world war ii and how he's like nobody's stretching world war ii he's like we won two world wars now everybody's talking about stretching you don't need to stretch we won two world wars because we didn't stretch is such a great like reach that i'd i just respected anyway it has nothing to do with what we're talking about what you're talking about stretching it made me think of that uh i love it i love that you brought it back up and yeah i'm not going to point out that you know do we win world war ii quicker if we stretched we had some bands we can whip out yeah a little band work like man this africa thing's taking forever you know why africa took forever is like just the logistics it was a challenge where guys were i remember reading this one part where they were packing the ramps to unload the jeeps off these carriers and they put the ramps behind the jeeps so then they didn't have the ramps for the there was a lot of like trial and error just packing alone now that's where you win the war logistics of it all fuel food transportation yeah so i'll be ready about yeah really if there's another one i've got i want to find this email will you guys talk amongst yourselves for a minute here i'm putting you on the spot but i need to find this email that i i think is great and i for some reason it's not it's not um flagged here i'll tell you something real quick that happened to me my sister got married this morning and i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god this past weekend it was sick congratulations in the kind of wedding slid under the wire she wasn't sure if she wanted to you know it was non-traditional to gay wedding to begin with but slid under the wire we all got matching powder blue blazers that we stood up there with that was sick but the whole thing heading up to it was she said they were going to have room for yard games because on a farm i was like what about bucket golf and she's like yeah we'll see if we have room i bring bucket golf just because take over the they had a frisbee golf on this farm but i totally set up bucket golf in front of the frisbee golf nice little three-hole course maybe two people picked up a frisbee everybody was doing bucket golf the whole weekend i mean i was i was gonna say i feel one of two ways because you know you typically don't bring your own activities to a wedding yeah this was not a turnkey wedding though i mean we were saying but yeah you said it was different that's fine yeah yeah um and she admitted reluctantly at the end she was like yeah bucket golf was a huge i'm sorry i doubted you i'm like yeah yeah so and then you're uh the reps there for the bucket golf i feel i've still yet to play i've gotta i've gotta get out there and do it i don't know i don't know i feel like they should be calling us at this point but i guess this is the last one you guys get did you ever play polish horseshoes back in the day that was always one of my favorites speaking of frisbees are those smaller horseshoes or no it's where you you stick a ski pole in the ground and you put a beer on top of it and you throw frisbees at it and then if it hits the pole and you the whole game is to knock the beer off the pole right and then it's hit it by the way and then you hit it and then you hit it and then it is great super that sounds good if you hit if you hit the the pole you can then grab it but if it's the ground you have to chug it the rest of it essentially oh okay it's a very cool game very fun game anyway i just think speaking of yard games haven't played that in a while but it's it's a fun one i love that game when i see you guys doing it love it it's great it's been a minute let's bring it back all right i can't find the one i was looking for we're gonna do this one uh hey guys 511 191 nothing crazy in the gym i've basically been maintaining for the last five years i show four days a week do the same list i've always done and somehow managed to maintain a physique that's somewhere between he lifts and he likes beer you know what kind of the theme of the start of this whole thing sometimes something's better so you're in there you're doing it you're maintaining i know the plateauing things stinks though it sucks my nba comp would probably be a late career andre iguodala decent size for winning no standout skill but a solid jack of all trades teammate yeah i feel like you're being a little like i know what you're doing but iguodala could also like run an offense and set up stuff too like he was an incredible wing because he didn't need it but if he was asked to use well you probably didn't want the iguodala if he's too young to remember sixers area iguodala yeah right point guard iguodala 28 years old married for two years live in a city i really enjoy away from my hometown where most of my high school friends still live we have a great group of guys some are married some aren't some have a successful career some don't everyone's on a different path the thing i've been wrestling with lately is this what's response uh what responsibility if any do you have as a friend to push someone who you think is capable of a lot more there are three friends in particular that have me thinking about this the first two guys are in their mid 30s early mid 30s both have college degrees generally smart capable guys they live together back home make a living reselling things they find at thrift stores and estate sales they basically live paycheck to paycheck are rarely able to participate in any group vacations or cool outings sounds like somebody needs to start a youtube channel i know you have two friends that are antiquing yeah that live together okay uh if that's truly what makes them happy then great but from the outside it feels less like they consciously chose that life and more like they slowly drifted into it well said they don't have health care retirement benefits neither one dates they don't really meet new people they don't seem to have much more of a long-term plan okay as their friend is it my place to ask questions like what's the plan five years from now or have you ever thought about getting a traditional job because you're not going to get paid for it because you're not going to get paid for it because you're not going to get paid for it actually help someone who just needs a little push or do conversations like that almost always come across as judgmental and accomplish nothing then there's another friend who's in a little different situation he's 29 really smart works hard but he's never had a traditional nine to five he's tried starting multiple businesses one failed the next failed and now he's on to another idea whenever the topic of getting a regular job comes up he'll say things like i could never work a nine-to-five or i can't have a boss i absolutely love guys that have nothing going on like can't i can never work well you're fucking doing a great job man i'm selling this new fruit from the amazon rainforest that uh i just need to get five more guys and then uh you know it will be fine the man with a thumb on your back no thanks all right his view of corporate life feels like it came entirely from watching office space he jokes that a normal job is just grinding away every day to increase shareholder value so you can get a job and he's like i don't know i don't know i don't know you get a pizza party once a year well it depends on the company that's pretty grim worldview but uh yeah Will you film one of these rants and send it to us? Anyway, the funny part is he's never actually worked in that environment. Meanwhile, he's barely making enough money to support himself, still lives at home, and keeps chasing the next business idea. Part of me wants to sit him down and explain that a lot of us actually enjoy our jobs. Having a steady paycheck, health care, retirement savings, co-workers you like, and enough financial stability to move out, date, travel, and build a life isn't a soul-crushing existence. It's actually pretty nice. But then I wonder if I'd be the idiot in that conversation. Plenty of successful entrepreneurs failed multiple times before something finally worked. What if his next idea is the one that changes everything? Who am I to tell someone to stop betting on themselves and fall in line with corporate America if there's even a small chance they're right? Have you ever had friends like this? A ton is my answer. People who seem stuck. I was one of these guys for a good chunk of my 20s. People who seem stuck or people who kept chasing something that didn't seem realistic. Again, check both of those boxes. Did they eventually figure it out on their own? Is there? Ever a point where being a good friend means having an uncomfortable conversation and challenging someone, or is that almost never productive and the better move is to let people live the life they choose? I'm genuinely torn. Part of me thinks I should mind my own business. Another part of me feels like if I watch my closest friends waste 10 years of their life without ever saying anything, I'd regret staying quiet. Well, for the third guy, you are the idiot in his eyes. And it sounds like you have probably already brought it up because how would you know all these insights that he has about, you know, the working state? Ifs. How would you know that he thinks you're a sheep if you guys haven't talked about this already? Because he brings it up. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, this is it. You would certainly be the sheep talking to the wolf in this situation, you know, in his eyes for that. Yeah, I don't know. I think I think guys can have thick skin when it comes to a lot of things. But like if you're basically, you know, if you're talking about like their vocabulary or their I don't know where they live or or or what they're wearing. Or something like that. I think that would all fly. But if you're just like existentially, I don't know what the fuck you're up to, man. Dudes are, I think, a little less receptive to that kind of criticism or or questioning. So that's a tough one. I personally, I just I'm not touching this. You know, if everyone at the friend group dynamic is fine, everyone's happy and they're not like if you if you know that they're like bummed out about not being able to do these things with you guys or go on these trips or afford certain things, then like, all right. Yeah. Maybe it's. Maybe it's like, hey, like, have you thought about this? But if everything is like status quo is fine, you guys are a good friend group. And like, I just don't know that you mess with that dynamic. Maybe this is like just the idiot old school man thing of like suppress all your feelings. And because like, you know, you know, like the videos that go around now where it's like, you know, dudes hang out, they go golfing for five hours and they come home and they ask the wife's like, hey, like, did so-and-so start a new job? You're like, no idea. No idea. Like, that's kind of like that's kind of my friend group. Like, we have a great time and we just kind of I don't know, there have been times when like. You when you really need to get in, I'm not going to go into specifics, but like, you know, we'll ask a question here or there because, you know, they kind of need something. But if these guys all seem relatively happy and you are a good friend group and you operate well and they, you know, sometimes you've got to let guys live their own life and then like you become the guy who is like, oh, he's got it all figured out. Great. Now he's going to fix my thing. And that's just not a place where I would personally want to be. Maybe you do. But I, I, I don't know. I let people live, you know, let people live their life, let people make their mistakes and, you know, help them when they ask for help. And I'm not saying this is like for success. Stories because like a lot of you see like a successful person, a lot of times they're actors. So I don't think it it totally translates. And maybe when the actors wait. No, but I'm saying like when these interviews, when they talk about getting into the business or finally, you know, they love to say how they were, you know, fucking picking out a garbage cans and Eagle Rock when they were sharing a room with four other guys or something like and that might be romanticizing it a little bit now that they're the shit. But I think like a lot of times, like people that end up doing well, they have like kind of a story that's kind of not dissimilar to. What some of these guys are going through and my point is like if that's a success story, there's got to be somebody who came ended up in the middle, you know what I mean? There's probably might just be late bloomers is my point. Like I think if it's if it's good enough for Bradley Cooper, you know, maybe maybe maybe it's good enough for you one day. I don't know. I think I think being 29 is not like if you're doing well at 29 and you're looking at your buddy at 29, like I think you got to give him a little more rope just because you definitely can't fix him and he's old enough to have free will and do what he wants, so I think you just got to have like be positive that something will work out. Clooney was like bussing tables at like 45, wasn't he? I don't know. 45. I don't know. He was old, right? I think. I think he had. Yeah, he was already full. Or was that John Hamm? Somebody got somebody was. Hamm was old. Yeah. For the industry. It was it was like late for him. But you're right. Like Clooney was late to it because I've heard so many Clooney stories and by the way, they're all incredible. Yeah. Like whatever. Drop of duffel bags for his best buddies of like a million dollars. Is that real? I don't know if that one's real or not. I was at some writers party years and years ago. It was like when I first got out here, I was like, oh, you know, whatever. So and there was like, you don't have to be Clooney. Maybe you're just an HVAC guy later on in life and it's like, yeah, actually, I got more work that I know what to do with. I don't know. I'd rather you be Clooney sounds like that guy was the best, best hang of all time. I would leave the 30 somethings alone. This just may be like if they're on the same page and like the biggest takeaway I have from this email is that you're assessing three of your friends that you don't think are doing as well as they should be doing. Right. I don't know that you're necessarily being judgmental. Some people could frame it that way. Maybe you are a judgmental guy, but you're not coming to us with one person. You're coming to us with three. So that either speaks to you feeling like you've got to pull everybody up, which may be great intentions. It also could mean that you could just not worry about this shit. I, you know, again, I don't know the specific dynamics here, but you're not just talking about one person. This feels much like a older brother to younger brother conversation. Okay. Then it is. I think you guys are absolutely right. There's just a recoil you have as a man where you're like, oh, you're going to fucking assess me. Why don't we do your scouting report? You know? And it's like, it just doesn't go well. And if anybody pulled me aside in my twenties, I wasn't going to listen to him anyway. I remember having this epiphany at one point when I still was like, I was just kind of getting started, but it was still pretty tough. And then there was a guy that I knew and he was like, you know, honestly, I don't really feel like I ever figured it out. Like until I was 35. And I was like, awesome. I have like six more years. New deadline. That's incredible. Here we go. Yeah. It was like the best day ever. I'm like, I'm going to start taking it easy. I can, I can be like this for six more years. This is great news. So I do think there's something, and I don't like the, how, you know, selfish can get about, well, I did this. So then everybody else, and that's not really, I think it's maybe more myopic than it is selfish, but it, because I did this, then everybody else is kind of supposed to do this. And. You know, start making some mistakes on assessing what other people are doing. Look, maybe the nine to five world is absolute hell to your friend, which again, it can still be held to them without necessarily experiencing it. Um, and there's something to be said, kind of like on the theme of the beginning of this whole thing of like, what if these guys are happy? Like you never mentioned once that they were unhappy. What if they're happy? I mean, what if you think they're delusional and they're at peace? Yeah. I mean, you know, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. Thank you, Tom. Thanks to Kevin. Thanks to Rudy. Thanks to Kyle. Please subscribe to the show. Full episodes on Netflix three times a week. Ryan Russillo Show, Barstool Sports. Thank you.