The Wildly Deep 2027 QB Draft Class w/ Todd McShay. Plus, Actor Adam Scott!

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McShay and I are going to talk about all of the college football quarterbacks, the ones matter, the ones that are in the mocks. He's got a bunch of them and then we're going to do a little bit of quarterback draft for next year's draft. You'll figure it out and we've got Adam Scott, the star of the whisper man out on Netflix. All of our episodes also on Netflix. We're going to talk about that movie, which is really enjoyable. Already watch it. It comes out to August 28th and of course his career. We get a long life advice for you. Something big is coming on September 2nd. DraftKings game day arrives with massive deals, exclusive offers, and an all day celebration built for sports fans. The countdown has begun. All roads lead to game day. The DraftKings sports app is now live in all 50 states. That means from Texas to California to Florida. Every fan is in on the excitement. One app, every sport, all 50 states DraftKings game day is yours. 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We just said, hey, let's have make sure you come on and we'll talk about all the quarterbacks for this season in college football. You can read his way too early mock draft that had seven QBs going in the first round. The McShay report and then of course I was listening to him and meant to chop it up about the important players in college football this season on the McShay show part of a ringer and Spotify. So good to see you, man. How are you? I'm doing good brother. How are you? Good. All right. Good to see you. Tick up a little bit. Yeah, good pick it up. It's just good to see you. You know, I'm relaxed long day with a you know, a couple different shows, but this is a perfect way to end it with my guy. Bit of a bit of a you know IPO chart on the summer for me. A lot of ups, a lot of downs, but we're just you know what? Even keeled ready to go right at right at the horizon as football is ready to start. You have seven. I know you hate doing that April mock for next April in 27. It's just a little of what you guys have to do it. You have seven QBs going in the first round. Do you think that'll happen? I mean, probably not, but absolutely could. It was like six if it's not seven normally normally I get overexcited the drafts over. I'm in a good mood. We got to knock out this way to early mock draft. I'll throw like I'm like, you know, and then I get and I start watching the tape in the summer. I'm like, oh, I wish I didn't, you know. Yeah, he's not. I actually like more quarterbacks now after watching the top 14 of them. I think I watched the summer all the way down to like my Ava, Matier, Mesta Maker, Hoover. Like I might have been 16 of them when we're all said and done. I like more of them is legit like first-second day guys and legit potential future NFL starting quarterbacks than I ever imagined. It's it's an unbelievable group now with nearly all of them. It's like I'm banking on. All right, this is their Lunora sellers. Is he with the right guy with with briles in South Carolina? Is Arch going to take that next step in his development with Cam Coleman and after a rocky season that ended and it's strong and you know, is this Mesta Maker cat any good at this level at Oklahoma state and I'm expecting I'm expecting DeMont Williams to continue to elevate and so there's a lot of guys with an expectation that they're of growth right that I'm kind of counting on but I also see enough in all of them to think that they they have it in them and the circumstances for almost all of them are better than they were a year ago. Let's start with Arch. I'm sure you probably put some more time into it when you had some downtime. If you had a bad I imagine the best odds even though I know Dante's in the conversation and sellers and we're going to get to all of these guys but Arch seems like hey if you had to pick one that's going to go number one overall he's the safest bet. Is that fair? It could be fair. I've got him as the fifth ranked quarterback right now. You have him fifth in this class okay. Fifth and like I was just at Manning Passing Academy Cooper is one of the best human beings I've ever been around. I text with Archie all the time helped Archie the last 15 years put together the list for the Manning Passing like I'm they're like I don't want to oversell but like I like I get along with friends with the with the Manning's I actually think I'm doing him not a favor it's certainly but like I think I think things were so far skewed coming in the last year and the expectations were so stupidly absurd with not only is he like potential number one overall draft pick he is for 2026 and he's the Heisman Trophy front runner and he's and and Texas is going to win a national championship and like we haven't even some start a couple games like spot duty essentially waiting for so like what are we doing because he's got Manning on the back of his jersey and by the way that Manning looks nothing like the uncles and how they played the quarterback position in fact it's kind of polar opposite like when we think of a Manning you think pocket passing cerebral ball might be a little wobbly but it gets there leading receivers smartest guy in the room demanding excellence yeah like and arch is like this really chill cat who people would absolutely like stand in front of a train for because he's because he has this conduct real connection with people and he's and he yeah he has the size but he's built athletically he's strong in the pocket breaks tackles when he accelerates I going back and watching Tate versus kind of in the season I didn't realize how fast he is it's like first 10 yards fast it's like and he's got this playmaking instinct about him and he and he started to grab his balls a little bit at the end of the year like like I'm like this is my team and and like like over my dead body stuff and and finally like let's go and so you see that element of him but I'll be honest with you as a passer it starts with his eyes his feet don't follow sometimes he gets kind of this fostered element and you just kind of expect because he is a manning that he's going to be a lot more refined with where he's going with the ball the footwork the mechanics and all those stuff and he's just not yet does that mean he can't be no but but he he has to he's got to show a lot of progression there were a lot of throws you watch Ryan where it's like he can't miss that and why do you miss that and then you try to study the why and the and the why leads to different reasons and it's not all the same thing so there's work that's got to be done I know he's putting in the work and he certainly has a like a receiver who's just a special special talent in Cam Coleman coming in and Cam Coleman's even better than people think so that's going to be fun to watch but he's not there yet so I'm I'm kind of putting them down there like go ahead climb that ladder prove that you that you can kind of be the the quarterback that everyone wants you to be but like let's let's back off this expectation that he's that he's the number one overall pick and he's the guy and this is Texas's year because I got more news for you I don't even know that that the mannings are looking at this is like the the swan song it texts there's a there's a long history of manning sticking around that extra year that people didn't think they're going to stick around until they're right and they feel like they're ready and I won't be surprised at all if he's in the 2028 draft okay I you know you hear it a lot but based on what you just told us about the relationship there too like we have to listen to you on that one because it's been flirted You know, hey, they might not even do the no one ever believes that, but you're right, the history and you saying I think gives it a little bit more. But there's a path too, I don't want to, I want to make sure everyone understands, like, if he corrects some of those things, if he starts to show a little bit more consistency, nobody else in this class is 65, 232 pounds and runs kind of like he does and has that combination of things, you know? So there's a clear path for him to, it's kind of like horses coming around the stretch. Like, it's just about like does he, does he catch the stride and have a safe path? The path is there, does he, but does he make those corrections and all of a sudden hits his stride in this, his, his, what could be his final year if he chooses for it to be? If he does, yeah, sure, he, he absolutely, like, there's no question in my mind, he can be a great starting quarterback in the league and he's got a hugely, you know, bright future ahead of him. It's just, if we're talking about where these guys are now, his tape is not as good as people want it to be and it's not as bad as some people are hoping it will be, you know, it's somewhere in the middle. Yeah, it's almost like three different parts of the season where, you know, everything's on the line that on how a state game and you've got two young quarterbacks where it felt like both play callers on both sides, but like, let's just try to have to lose this game and text us of losing it on I'm sure over, right? And then the San Jose State game gets kind of built up. And I remember like the stats look good, but I watch that game because I wanted to just keep watching them. I was like, this isn't very good. And I think that first third of the season, there may have been some nice box scores, but it didn't look very good. And then we kind of got off of them and he starts playing better. And then we're all building towards Georgia thing and that's where the offensive line issues for Texas show up in as bad as it wasn't 25, it wasn't even close to his horrifying as it wasn't 24 when Georgia went at that Texas team and Carson Beck still try to lose that game for Georgia. And that's when, you know, Arges like, hey, let's have him run around there instead of you or Sierra, a little bit. But as the season went on, I think the thing that I like the most about him and if there was, if we sat there and said, let's put together the perfect quarterback and the foundational things that you'd want to have, there's all sorts of stuff that's cool. But mobility in the pocket and awareness of things collapsing around him, which is something that he had to learn the hard way is that offensive line got worked, which is, you know, a big reason why I'm like, I want to pick Texas to win the whole thing, but it has to be so much better than it was last year. You could look at 25 is like a great learning experience for him because he had to learn how to get those off platform throws out. And I thought a lot of that stuff was, was important because you know, we sit there and we get excited about arm strength and all this shit. And it's like, okay, you throw at 35, 40 times in the game. Like how many of those throws are actually clean, 10, like you're constantly kind of moving around and stuff. I think there's a combination with his athleticism and his smarts that it was, I'm like, okay, well, if he has that part of it, then I feel way better about it than, then maybe some of the other guys that I think can put up huge numbers and have a lot of tools stuff. But it's like, okay, but what do you look like? What does that mobility, not out of the pocket, but inside the pocket? Yeah. And there's, there was so much encouraging about the way he endured what, what happened in the beginning of the year. That wasn't easy, man, like with all that hype and to go out and like literally like Mike Tyson comes out of the corner and knocks your ass out and you, and you spin around and you look embarrassing, like as you go down and fall to the, fall of the mat. That's what that Ohio State game was like. Like it was bad. It was bad. I didn't know where to go with the ball, looked panicked, feet weren't right. It's like he forgot, in some, in some ways, it looked like he kind of forgot how to play the position. And then now everyone's like going back to high school and it's like, he didn't, you know, he didn't play high level high school and he got away with all this. He's been the most over hyped and ever, I knew it. I knew what I've been telling ever. And so like, yeah, well, he's a manning. He knows how to compartmentalize all this. He'll be fine. But like he's a human being in these 21 years old or whatever, you know what I mean? Like like that shit ain't easy. It's not easy to read about how horrible you are and how over hyped you've always been. And so, and then to know, and then to start questioning your own reality, right? And to have your own stark, like kind of, well, let's, let's kind of redo it. Let's get our eyes right here. Let's make sure we're doing this. We can expand the playbook when we need it. But like then you're starting to feel this of, do, does everyone else believe in me the way that they, I thought that they would, you know, so. To overcome all of that under that spotlight, it's like a fascinating study in, in like human confidence and, and also like just how, how you worked through something. I think I want all of these guys to have adversity, not because I want to see them do something bad, because I think everyone that comes out in the league that has had some real adversity whether personal life, game situation, whatever it is, it seems like those guys have a much higher chance of succeeding in the NFL than the ones who come through, you know, Mark Sanchez at Lineart, like you think about how easy things, you know, like, and I don't mean to single anyone out, but I'm just saying, like, Lineart, it's not going to be happy. I know. And I'd love that. But I think, I think it's, like, let's be honest, compared to some of the adversity, some other guys who go through, I think it's important to have some of that adversity and hopefully we look back at 2025, and it's exactly that. All right. I need to go quicker. I just figured we'd spend more time on arch there. No, no, no, I need to, like, I'm the one that follow a thought on this. So who has the best tape, who has the best tape then? Two guys jump out in terms of best tape, like, and when I think best tape, I mean, this isn't traits. It's more like balls out on time, accuracy, touch, eyes, eyes working left to right, all that stuff. Dante Moore and Darian Mensa, they're the best two pure pocket passing quarterbacks coming back in college football. And Dante's wasn't always beautiful, and there's some areas he's got to improve, and there's some big moments where you'd like to see him be able to carry or at least limit damage. There's also sometimes, I think, if you really go back and track some of his mistakes or throws that you want back, not all of them, but there's a higher percentage than you like with, like, up the middle pressure feels boxed in and kind of doesn't make, you know, I don't want to say panic, but a little, like, you know, and Mensa is certainly not perfect, but Mensa, Mensa was one of two or three, like, wow, blown away by how much better than I thought just watching games on Saturday, because I hadn't sat here in this room, dim the lights, studied the tape, and done it this way yet. And I'm watching him, and I kept asking myself, okay, so how big of a difference is there between he and that guy in Eugene, because that balls, and that's the time, and leading that guy, like, gosh, rewind it, and it's like, positive here, and the receivers, like, hasn't him sniffed his brake, and he throws it 15 yards back corner end zone, and it's like, so, and by the way, this guy is more mobile and has a little more creativity than Dante does. So I'm expecting a huge year from there in Mensa. He's like next up, right, Kim Ward, Carson Beck, next up, and with Malachytoni and some of the weapons they brought in, you know, that old line's going to be coached up well. I could see Miami making a serious run this year, and I think Mensa could become one of the big stories in college football early on. So those would be the two, or just like the pure passing tape. Or, you know, look, if you wanted to beat up on him, you could because of that Indiana game, it's funny too, because I was looking at it this morning, and you forget that they actually tied it up at 7F for that pick, and you're like, all right, everybody's out of town. Oh, I did too. I did too. And I'm like, okay, 7-7, and then they drive it down 7-7, here we go, and there's like 14 plays, 75 yards. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, okay, I forgot about this. And then you're like, okay, they scored again pretty quick with their offense. So if I want to be, and I want to be positive about it, right, like, okay, they got their doors blown in by the team that was better than everybody else with Indiana. But I like the Penn State game, because there seems to be a smoothness, a calmness with more that isn't bullshit, you know, like I think sometimes guys get off their game winner and they get in front, they know exactly like how to handle it. With him, he plays like his demeanor matches his play. And if you're telling me like on the best side of it, which isn't just about technique and what he's seen out there, that there's a coolness to him, a calmness, that shows up numerous times throughout 25 with him. It does, and there's this like maturity about the way he handles things. There's calmness, as you say, even like the ball he throws is like relaxed. It's catchable. Like, you know, certain guys just they make it hard, receivers fight to get the Carson Beck was an example, especially at Georgia, like I felt receivers were always working to get the football. That's a great way to describe it. You know, oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. You know what I mean, right? You can't even like if it's a crossing route and you know your guide doesn't exactly have it to your numbers. You can't run the route as crisp as you want to, because you're kind of like playing catcher going like. Yes. drifting across, but if I run this thing full speed, it's gonna be behind me, it's gonna be in front of me, like, I've gotta give him a better window 'cause I just know that it's not always gonna be there. I think that's perfectly set. - Yeah, and then you watch, it's like a loveliest place to be a receiver is in Eugene, Oregon, like the balls, it comes down to like a cushion for you and it's-- - They got enough of them this year. They should be able, I mean, there's so many options there and I know they felt like they ran out of dudes, but I'm looking at their depth chart going, are you kidding me? Well, Evan Stewart's back. I haven't heard much on him. I'm hoping he's like, he's gonna be the guy he was before. But anyway, so I just, same thing with Moore, too. But go ahead. - Yeah, well, obviously, I mean, Moore was sensational last year, but he still was a true freshman, so. But let's put it this way, the Raiders were midway through, they're not midway through the season, looking at the potential, having to make a choice and getting kind of later in the season. And Dante Moore had made the decision he made, which again, speak to maturity. Like much easier draft class to be in with Mendoza 'cause you don't go one, you're gonna go two and deciding, like, I'm not ready, you know? So, but I just, and the Raiders were like split, like they were really, it was a tough call between those two. So he's gonna go early and he's a damn good player, but there are definitely some areas I wanna see like, okay, you're back, and Will Stein's in Kentucky. Like this guy, this quarterback whisperer who fixed Bonix, which by the way, in and of itself, should get you a head coach and job. What Will Stein got from that Auburn quarterback to what he turned him into in two years at Oregon, and now we're seeing the carryover. Like, that was a total like healing of the Auburn. - Hey, look, the Auburn Bonix still messes me up, talking about the Denver Bonix, which is totally unfair. I can't, I can't unsee some of that stuff still. It probably fucked up my whole evaluation on it. If I'm being honest, I saw too much at Auburn. - Yeah. - I'm right there with you, like-- - And then Dylan Gabriel, right. - We talked, we talked to NFL team and he's a third round draft pick. - I know. - And so, but Dante, Dante in a year after, didn't work with Chip that freshman year, has come kind of regroup, set out a year, but he got him right to the point where he could have been the first overall pick. Had he decided to come out? So, is there any effect? What's that? - No, I just was for anyone not falling along. They might have thought Chip with Eugene or something, but we're talking about UCLA. - UCLA, sorry. - Yeah. - Anyway, so that'll be interesting to watch. Is there any, can we see that definitively that Will Stein's not there anymore? - Okay, Lunora Sellers, you cannot quit. Lunora Sellers, you have been, if you get this one right, this is all time stuff, 'cause there's other people that just think-- - And mench likes him more than I do. - What? I didn't think anybody liked him more than you did. 'Cause some people do not like him. - Mench is putting him up in like Andrew Luck grade. He wants, he's hoping a good year, he can give him a 99 out of the 100 scale. I've only given him one of those. - Okay, how about this? I'm gonna just throw something at you here, and this is not perfect, so, okay. Watching Sellers with that team in 25, and this is like the old Josh Allen Iowa game thing, and it's not the same thing 'cause it's South Carolina, and there's other NFL players all over the place. But the beauty of Josh Allen in that Iowa game is that you realized how bad it was for him. And what I watched with Lunora's, and whatever the hell is going on with their offense, and again, I understand he has way better weapons, better offensive line than anything Allen had at Wyoming. But you have these drives where it feels like Lunora's is like the only one that's giving them any kind of chance at all, and that he's, it may not be pretty, but he's surviving, considering it feels like the offensive challenges that they have, that that's the positive version of this, 'cause other people are looking at you thinking you, and we'll throw a mention there too, that you guys sound crazy, that you keep falling in love with the physical gifts, and it's just not clicking the way that you would expect for somebody who's projected to be a top 10 pick. It's so much more than physical, physical gifts, and yes, he's as fast as he is twitchy, and he's like, you could argue he and maybe demon Williams, and in a class with, just loaded with athleticism, more so than we've ever seen before, like a potential draft class, with this kind of speed, athleticism, a quarterback, I don't think we've ever seen before, okay? And yes, he has a rifle, arm, the ball just snaps off of his hand, and he can, he makes throws from one hash to the other sideline, and it just rips it. The physical traits can be blinding, but I've been through a couple of rodeos with this man, like I know what's real and what isn't, and what I loved watching even last year, when it was a mess in the offensive coordinators fired, now they're bringing in Kendall Briles, and his offense has always scored 50 points wherever he is, like so, it's not just a projection of what he's, it's watching the development under horrible circumstances, and watching him not consistently enough yet, and there's some underneath throw, he's just gotta take some heat off the fastball and like, relax that a little bit, but that stuff's coachable too. But like, some spectacular throws that are not just off platform, and arm angles, like drop back, in rhythm, drill it. Then some anticipation throws, like sometimes when a quarterback makes a throw, or I'm like, if I pause it in this moment, I'm like, fuck is he going with that ball? And then all of a sudden, you see the arc and the receiver under, like so, and then you hear about him, the guy, and he's quiet, and he's a manning passing Academy two years ago, and I swear he didn't come back, because he ain't never gonna be a camp counselor or coach. It's just not his thing, but guys respect the hell out of him, the kind of that quiet lead by quieter, lead by example, smart as a whip, picks things up. I think he's, I think he could be special. Like really, really special. I really do. I think this guy, I don't think the world has any clue how talented he is. I really don't. - You just went to Whisper Man on us, talking about Lunora Sellers, if that's-- - I know. - We have to make that a breakout video. We have to, just for that one. Raising Cain's has turned in 30 this month. To celebrate the milestone, Cain's is hosting a 30th birthday pop-up museum in Bat Rouge, located directly behind the original restaurant. The mothership, Todd Graves will be unveiling the museum on August 25th, in honor of 30 years of Cain's, the brand is also launching a commemorative, 90s plush puppy available beginning August 26th, featuring Cain in her 90s best. Net proceeds benefit pet welfare organizations. I just had Cain's the other day. We filmed a commercial at my house and I was surrounded by chicken fingers. There was kids running through the villages, just wondering, what is that smell? And I was like, it's me and then I just had everybody over and there was a sauce everywhere. What a party. I'm a Cainy Act guy. And if I'm feeling real aggressive, I'll throw a couple side fingers in the mix. Raising Cain's chicken fingers, one love. CJ Carr, I like 'em. I like 'em, the receivers back. - I love you too. Okay, now, is it a non-starter for a guy who can't give you anything in the run game a quarterback now for NFL teams? - No, it's not a non-starter, but you better be a smartest CJ Carr and you better have the ability to hit spots the way that he does. But it's certainly like, it is different, man. I was talking earlier today, it's remarkable. It is like, it would be like me stopping right now and for the next 15 years, I was going to be an NBA scout. It's not totally dissimilar from what my first 12 or so years, and by the way, playing the position, pop-warner, high school, college, but like being around that position, basically since I was like nine years old, right? To what it has been in the last, let's call it, 12, 15 years. And the transition from that position. And it's been awesome to watch, but it's certainly like it's not. But then again, you look around the league and even the mobile guys, they're how much are they using their mobility? Like truly, you know? And I see a pocket mobility with Carr and like the instincts that he has to move around and extend some plays that's functional enough. Like I think he has like, I think above average, like hanging tough side stepping, sliding. I think he has that ability, but he's just, he's just not much of a runner, you know? Like you're never gonna design a run, he's never gonna kill you with a stringing multiple moves together. But like the ball placement, especially over the middle of the field, down the seams, those throws, he's so smart, dude. He is so smart. He's, he's the, I would argue he's the, like if you could, if you could test or qualify, I guess, I'm clearly not smart. If you, if you, if you could study, if you could take a test and we could see the grade of it. Thank you, sir. If he would, he would, he would be the smartest. He would be the, among the smartest, if not the smartest in this class, like, He has done, yeah, Lloyd Cars, Grandfather, he's been around ball his whole life. But the way he processes. it, it's different, it's just different. So best processor. - Yes, if you could grade, if you could, everyone sat down and took a test. No, but I like this, like right now, I'm just saying like, okay, best pure arm talent out of this class. So you're saying C.J.'s is the best processor out everybody in this class based on the tape to this point. - Yes, and I'll, like, just watching like, being around them a little bit of Manning Passing Academy and just like hearing him talk through defensive coverages and all that, like, and like leverages and seams and inverted safeties and like, it feels like he's kind of a step ahead of what the highest level college quarterback should be in terms of like the processing aspect of it. We'll see. I mean, I just, I think, plus you look at Notre Dame's, and now we're talking about college football. Notre Dame's schedule, the runway he has, the more emphasis it's gonna be put on, like I would be shocked if he's not, a Heisman finalist and like, could very well be when the Heisman this year, you know? - Okay, that's good. Now, Adam to the list, I know why you had, and again, you're way too early mock. You had six quarterbacks going in the top 10. Sayon. Now, looking back at stuff from last year, there's something, you can sit there and say, okay, well, look at all these dudes he's throwing to, but the completion percentage, which is not my, it's actually trying to become one of my least favorite stats out of the quarterbacks, but this says something to me. He had the number one QB rating of any quarterbacks statistically, okay, if they win that in the end of game, he ends up maybe winning the Heisman, by the way. But he was fourth in yards per attempt. So he's got a 78% completion percentage, but it's not just because he's throwing out to the flats and he's doubles and running backs in the entire time. He's got the fourth best yards per attempt. I'm sure there's probably some depth of target stuff there that I would be in his favor or not in his favor. And when you look at like a CJ, he's at 67% completion with the same average yards per attempt. So this was not saying just taking all the easy stuff. And it felt like the way they ran that offense and because they were destroying teams on average after Texas, I think the average score was 38 to nine. They had a layup kind of big 10 schedule after they had the Texas game. I'm not knocking the Buckeye schedule, but it's just what happens is we know you can have like a year or all of a sudden, it's like, who the hell are they playing this year, right? But Ohio State at least plays people. But they played slow. Like I've looked up some of that pay stuff. It felt like, hey, we know we're gonna kill everybody. So I think there's like this untapped version of him that's gonna be really fun this year 'cause there were stretches last year. I thought he was the best quarterback in college ball. - Yeah, yeah. - Tell me I'm crazy if you think I'm totally off on it. But go ahead. The highest possible end comp would be Drew Brees. I don't know that he's gonna be that, but I don't know that we've seen the most of saying. And when I say the most, I wanna see a little bit more aggressive. Like there were games, I'm trying to think, there was a Penn State, there was a couple of games where he was taking shots down the field and you could see like, I wanna, and listen, he's a red shirt freshman last year, first year starter, he got the keys to this Lamborghini and it's like, please don't crash it. So like, maybe-- - That's what it feels like. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - So I'm holding out on it. - Why would they be enforcing any ball all season long when you're winning by 30 points for 11 straight games? - Agreed, agreed. Agreed to agree. I just, I wanna see a little bit more mobility and be forced into some situations where, 'cause I know he can, I know he's a little bit more mobile than people wanna give him credit. I know he's got a little bit more creativity and so I wanna see that become more natural and I think in year two we're gonna see that. From it's, here's the problem. You got Dante Moore who would just slice you to death like a surgeon. You got Lenora Seller who's a freak show physically. You got CJ Carr who I just told you all about him. Sam Levit is the outside of Lenora sellers might be the most dynamic explosive quarterback in this class and Sam Levit and Lane Kiffin are gonna be on a rocket ship this year. And I can't wait two years ago. This is, I mean, Sam was unbelievable that year. I'm also, it's very Jackson Dardish. I'm like, "Hey, this is fun as hell. Are you going to be around November 7th?" Even if they're not, like what they're gonna, what I think that they're going to do this year at LSU offensively with Kiffin and Levit. I don't think anyone has an idea of how great it can be. We'll see if it happens. But Sam Levit is so fucking explosive like and his arm is so loose in the way he rips it. And it's like all these guys and everyone in them, every walk of life, you're greatest strengths. My greatest strengths are fatal flaws. No question about it. But Kiffin's gonna get him on schedule, get his eyes where they need to go. My homes was like, but his mechanics were a disaster. And then he got a year with Alex Smith. He got a year with Andy Reed. Like, I'm telling like this, this guy's got a, he's got a chance to be the number one overall pick. So does Arch, so does Dante, so does Lenora, so does CJ. And so when I look at saying the reason I'm saying all of this is that I don't think Julian's saying ever has a chance to be the number one overall pick. I think if he maxes this thing out, he's a top 15 pick, something like that. I think I could see him like being mid to late first round when it'd been probably not after this year but after the next year. But you can never take away first of all. He's absolutely sensational college player. And second of all, like in the right system, he throws it better than two, I think. In the right system, he can have success in the league. It's just, it's got to come together more for him than it does maybe some of these other cats. So to repeat, you think five guys or six guys are in play to be the number one pick. I think Dante Moore is the odds on favorite right now. I think Arch could so easily get there but I've got him below a few other guys. I think Lenora sellers, if it comes together and he like, I think Lenora sellers like should be considered like neck and neck. More so honestly based off of what they are right now, more so one A, one B with Dante Moore in my mind than Arch Manning, even though that's the narrative. CJ Clark and absolutely push to be the number one overall pick if he elevates his game. Sam Levitt, like I know, I'm not saying he will be but I'm telling you, he could wind up being the best quarterback from this class. And so if he's not the number, I think he could easily be a top 10 pick. Maybe top five. And then there's a couple other guys that are absolutely like Nico E. Maliava for all the jokes and the Tennessee stuff and the money and how that's involvement and all the stuff we want to throw out that young man. I saw a competitiveness about him last year when things just were a disaster that really like, I was like, huh, maybe the national deal on Nico's different than the real deal. Even though there's, yeah, there's some noise and all that. This guy chips down, ass handed to him, punched in the mouth over and over again, just bounce back, make throws, really, really good on in breakers. Intermediate, like hang in the pocket. And then when he takes off and runs, he's a nightmare. And I'll tell you the other guy, Demon Williams, Washington. I was expecting, I got to do this report. He said, great athlete. He's like a slot receiver at quarterback. Kind of no, kind of got to feel for, it's probably going to get some limitations. Maybe you could develop him. And I'm watching him like, shit, he can make a bunch of these throws too. He's actually a really good quarterback, not just athlete. That's why this class is just, it's wild to me. And I haven't even mentioned Maliava at USC who's going to have an awesome year. I think worst case, he's a second-round pick. John Matier and what he can be, changing his motion, thumb back, thumb back functional again. It's going to be an awesome year. - Okay, having said all that, I'm going to spring this on you. Seven picks each. We're going to do 14 quarterbacks. Just go back and forth. And the exercise here is like, how many you have first-rounders, how many actually get drafted? Because the fascinating thing I think about any of this stuff is a year out, like you go back a year ago, it's Aller, it's Nussmeyer, it's Club Nick. - Yeah, Nussmeyer, those three are pretty fucking good in training camp right now, huh? - Yes, they are. - Yes, they are. But it's, but I'm not shitting on you guys. Look, this is not, I get it, I get it. - You get the point. And I've said this, like if I wanted to argue that you had the NBA drafts better than the NFL, but there's no scenario where you would have three projected lottery picks going the second round of an NBA draft. It's because it's the sport. It's not because this group sucks at it, this other group. I have some issues with the lack of development with quarterbacks. I don't like when somebody gets taken in the fourth round, never gets to play in a game, sits on a roster for two years, and then just gets replaced by the next third or fourth round. And you're like, well, what was the point of ever doing this? Now you had 'em in camp, you could see 'em throw. You're like, this guy is the guy, but there is no depth. There is no development, but on the drafting part, the mock stuff that you guys are asked to do with maybe 10 to 20 games on these guys. In most cases, it's like, hey, I have the 12 games from last year that I feel really good about. Maybe a bowl game, who knows? It's just a lot to ask the exercise. And that's why you have that variance. I don't think it's because everybody that runs an NFL team is stupid. My rant is over there. So I've got your back on that by the way, speaking of throwing it when you were talking about your playing days yet, you ever let the Bullwhip crack anymore? I've gotten 11 year old son who plays quarterback. I'm an M2 QB every Saturday. Yeah, it's it's a loop. I've changed my delivery a little bit with watching these guys. I like the fuck it didn't. No one ever taught us that it was just like pick up a ball. You know, I threw a ball to you and stand for Steve and Columbus once. And it was just met with absolute horror. And I thought I had a hose. You guys are like, oh my God, loop much. And I'm throwing like dark and it's just absolute arms right now. Horn Tibo. It's the same. I can't throw it any when you can't be jacked. That's why I can't wait for water back. Did you read day Wilson's piece on ESPN and the history of the Jack quarterback? I think it's the best college football content of August. It's fucking awesome. Yeah, check it out. Yeah, I'll send it to you after this. It's really all right. Are you ready? Here's the plan. And by the way, shout out to bench. Jaden ball love. I am all for it. Yes, let me know what size Jersey. He would. Jaden ball needs to be talked about. I can't believe your first text of the 2025 college football season on a Saturday. I think was was ball related. A lot of my content this year is going to be ball related. All right, you can go first Todd. So the exercise. Todd versus Ryan. Let's see. We'll come up with a scoring system. Real transparency. We'll probably never revisit this again, but we'll just I think this will be fun. In case anybody wants to remember. Clip this off for next April. Perfect. Done. You're going to use AI. You can go first. So you want to basically put together the best composite group of your seven that you think is going to go higher than mine. Pretty stand. So I'm picking seven quarterbacks right now does not I know what we're going to go. Then I'm going to go. Yeah, you don't get the first seven picks. I get picked eight through four times. I'll take on day more. I'll go to chalk. Okay. I'll go arch. But based on your intel, I might have been able to get them a little bit later. I just think the odds are I can't do it. I'm going to go CJ then. I'll go love it. Put my money where my mouth is, which is one quarterback. We didn't talk about who's fucking awesome, too. But go ahead. I hope you don't figure out who it is right in this moment. I just gave you a clue. I'm going to take this to make a right now. Then gosh, take him. Are you kidding me? Did you see the rice throw? You in men's watch the rice. I've been doing shows for like five hours today. Yeah, I've had this bug. It's been like following me around. Loves the content. Yep. That Mestemaker 52 yard bomb against rice traffic around his legs. And he's still leading his receiver. I'm just going to put next to Mestemaker's name, rice throw. And I'm going to I'm going to keep this in my desk for when we revisit. Okay. Rice throw. Okay. So I've got Dante and sellers and Sam Levitt. You've got CJ, car, arch and Mestemaker. I'm taking Trinidad Shambles is the guy we didn't talk about who I've got ranked six just behind arch. Okay. I will then. So if arch CJ. Mestemaker off the board. Man, I got to I got to tell you like when I watch him, I don't feel like it looks as good. And I can't watch with such an astute eye as yourself, but I'll take. I'll take Mensen now. He's what? Nothing. I just I could do this all day long with you. Why do you think you run a circles around me right now? No, no, not even that. Like why do I I'm enjoying this more than anything I've done today? Mestemaker may have been a reach, but you got to be going to be daring sometimes. And you haven't seen the rice throw. So how proud are you of me? It's August. I'm watching Mestemaker throws. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you, but I've never questioned your, your, your want to. So who did you take? I was, I was just laughing at this. That's it. Oh, yeah, Mets. I love that. I'm taking E.M. Oliyava. Whoa, not even on my board. Yep. Okay. This is where the Mestemaker thing may come back around. Give me saying. Okay. I like that. This is where I get an edge on you. I know. This is where all the hours show up. This is, yeah, this is, this is like choosing choosing tape over beach. Um, I'm going to my mom at you. Mon Williams. Mon Williams. All right. I got my Ava. Okay. I get an interesting one for you. I'm taking Soresby. I don't blame you. You sold me hard on him when we got off the phone that day. Cause I was like, why are we asking? But I just don't know what you do with it. Out of your playing football, it'd be one thing if you're C.J. Car saying or, or, or, or more, or even like sellers. Like it's another one. Your whole draft stock was contingent on you playing and getting more, like developing because it's our, give me Josh Hoover. So no mature, no, well, I was just, I was going through my, I know you thought I would take material. I did. Yeah. I look, I respect the hell out of him. Yeah. Me too. I mean, the person on the record, it is, it, for me, it's disrespectful. Materials on this board that, that messed a maker and, and Hoover were taken before him. I just want to, I want that for the records. So you take a material right now. I thought we had seven each, right? I got more seller, don't take more Lennore sellers. I get to love it. Turn that chambliss make William Aliyava, Dimon Williams, Brendan Sores being in with my eighth and final pick. I'm taking John Matier. Okay. Great. Do you have another one? Yeah. I'm going to take Drake Lindsay. Okay. I just wanted to take him. I knew it. I love it. CJ Bailey, still available. CJ Bailey is going to have a monster year, but I think he could have another year after this. Sadden Craig from TCU. I'm hearing really good reports out of there. I had him written down. I had him in Jennings has been hanging around ball for a long time. SMU. Yeah. This is fun. This was great. Thanks for having some time for us today. Check out the mishay show and read the mishay report with our guide top. We'll talk to you again soon. All right, brother. See you soon. This segment is brought to you by Draftkings. They asked me to put together some overrunners on the season. So I've got two college. I've got two pro for you. All right. Let's start with everyone's favorite terrible schedule. We don't know if they're going to be any good Penn State Knitney Lions. Who play Marshall Temple and Buffalo out of conference. And they play three ranked big 10 teams, but they don't play Indiana. They don't play Ohio State. They don't play Oregon. So they get SC, Michigan, and Washington. So the two road games there that matter all season longer at Michigan at Washington. So people are actually looking at it. Look, I brought up a Stanford seed and like do you want them to make the playoffs? Because this is the conference expansion stuff that drives me absolutely crazy. That two teams could be the same conference and have two completely different experiences. By the way, look at Ohio State schedule. On top of that, they're also playing Texas out of conference like they did last year. Which Penn State doesn't like to do stuff like that. So the total right now is nine and a half wins. That's a massive number for a team. And again, get rid of a lot of the team. And we all expect that Matt Campbell is going to do a terrific job here. But I don't know if this seems going to be a good, but everybody's projecting a ton of wins. I'm going to go minus 142 under nine and a half wins for them. I'm going to stay in the big 10 and look at Indiana. It feels weird to think of Indiana following up. Maybe one of the most remarkable certainly unexpected seasons in the history of college football. I thought they were frauds in 24 and in 25, they were basically flawless. Just putting the hammer down on really good teams and running through the schedule. And so I can get into the schedule stuff here a little bit. Ohio State is going to be at home. They've got USC at home. So there's only one ranked game on the road. I just think they're that good again. I love Hoover. I liked Hoover a lot better right now than I did Mendoza coming into last year. Even though McShade gave us a heads up on Mendoza watching the Cal tape. So when I think about the line play and really like year three of a guy being in town for a program is kind of when this thing's supposed to be get cranked up. I mean, you want to talk about ahead of schedule. This is one of the most ahead of schedule turnarounds we've ever seen in the history of the sport. I think they win the big 10 again this year. So I'm going Indiana over 10 and a half minus 104. And the NFL got two teams for you. The Pats and the Bears. The Pats had an historic easy schedule last year. They made it all the way to the Super Bowl. I get it. I'm going under 10 and a half wins minus 140. It is, I'd say, the fifth or sixth hardest schedule. Go through it. There's not a lot of time off. And if it's one week opponent, it's right into somebody else who maybe has a chance to play in their own conference championship game. And again, I'm spreading that out. outside of Buffalo. I feel like the AFC has, and I know some people at Baltimore there, the odds have them forth, but that AFC feels like I could see eight or nine different stories out of this conference. And again, I tear all those teams behind Buffalo. So I'm going to go under 10 and a half. New England might be better. The roster should be more talented, kind of not an Indiana parallel, but again, way ahead of schedule. When you think about all that roster turnover from the Pats. They might be the better team. The hardest schedule in the NFL by all accounts, the Chicago Bears, the numbers nine and a half. I think the Bears will be better. They may have a worse record. So I'm going to go under minus 125. So three unders for you. The under guy, when everybody else is taking overs, check out the latest on draft Kings. The whisper man on Netflix out this week in Adam Scott, the star joins us here. I really enjoyed this little silence of the lambs, little additional flavor. My alarm went off in my home and one of the big scenes at the end. Those upstairs watching and it sounded like somebody's breaking into my basement the exact. Yeah. So I added a lot of extra tension. But that's what I loved about this movie. It kind of just starts and never really stops. What got you into the project? How did that process start for you? It the first thing that happened was I saw James Ashcroft's first film coming home in a dark a few years ago just randomly on Netflix. And I was blown away by it. I and I just wanted to talk to someone who knew how it was made and asked my agent if I could talk to this guy James Ashcroft. And so I just got to zoom with them not to like see about a job or anything. I just wanted to talk to him because I thought it was an extraordinary movie terrified me. And I thought it was audacious and just I hadn't seen anything like it. So I kind of knew James just from that. And coincidentally, then two or three years later, this came up. And Robert De Niro is one of my heroes. Obviously I'm an actor. Robert De Niro is going to be my hero. And so I, you know, I wanted to do it and then saw James was directing it and was like, oh my God. And somehow finagled them into hiring me. Well, they made a great choice. Did you read the book? Did you feel like you had to do that? I did. Yeah. As soon as I got the job, I read the book. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad you brought up De Niro before I did because I'm like, what's the De Niro question, right? Because you're going, I know this is what your job is, but is there a moment in being in a scene with him that you'll remember forever? All of it. I don't think I'll ever forget any of it. I, um, I never got used to it. Loved working with him. And really, you know, watching him work so hard and also watching him sort of do a take and think about it and be like, can I get one more? I'm just, I'm, I don't know. I want to try and real watching him and realizing, oh my God, this guy is still figuring it out. He's still trying to wrap his mind around this mysterious thing that we do that I feel like I'm still not totally get it's, and I, and I realize it never ends. You're always searching and always trying to get better, always growing. Here's Robert fucking De Niro and he's still like, God, I don't, yeah, I don't know. Let's try. Yeah, it was a bit of a watershed moment for me and really, uh, inspiring both just to see that and just to know that, you know, you can, you can accomplish everything that somebody like, like he's accomplished and still be searching and still be trying to improve and, and figure it out. What I love about the dynamics between the two of you is that a lot of the back stories held back, you know, we're not just gifted it all in the first 10 minutes. And so even though the movie moves, I like that the reveals pay off more as you're like, oh, this is the other layer to it. And, you know, I imagine you're like, all right, I want to match the moment here because it's De Niro, but then he's so intense, but he's understated intense here. Does that, does that make it a little bit more challenging? You were like, hey, I have to, I don't have to match his energy. I kind of just have to match like where he's at right now because he was never like a super emotional person in this, like he could be in other roles. Yeah, he, um, I think that's, it was when we started doing, uh, forget what you've seen was first. I think it was the one on the diner, but seeing that he was approaching it in this really amazing, like you said, understated way, it really fit like a puzzle piece into what's so infuriating about this guy for this, for his son, who's looking for some sort of an answer. And here he is, you know, I think that one of the strengths of the movie is is that we're not sitting there talking about our feelings. And like you said, telling our whole backstory and dialogue and all of that, it's all behavior. And watching De Niro's behavior tells you so much about him and so much about probably what happens here where the schism occurred and what broke. And so it immediately was falling into place for me just why this occurred. How much does being a father help you play this role? I mean, tremendously for me, um, you know, I think that it's inevitable that you're going to go to your own personal experience, playing a role like this where you lose your, lose your son, lose your kid. It's every parent's worst nightmare. I mean, it's, it is the only, uh, ultimate nightmare. I think for any parent and so, you know, and, you know, kind of prepping for the role, reading and watching people who have experienced this awful, awful thing. The second it happens, your life ends. And this is what everything is about until you find your, find your kid. This is, it just completely takes over. You don't sleep or eat or anything. This is it. Your career arc, you know, I wonder, everybody, you know, look, it's going to sound like I'm, I'm just complimenting you here because you gave us some time in the pop. But I truly believe this, like it feels like everybody likes you. And it's like, hey, he can do this. Oh, no, he can also do this. Was there a moment where it went from like funny side guy to the pivot of, no, this guy can carry something on his own? Was there a part of your career you felt like, okay, this is actually like, there's more on the table for me now. Um, it's funny because it's a little bit of frog and boiling water because it took me a long time to sort of find my way. I, um, it was, it was never an overnight kind of thing. With me, it was gradual. And I'm really thankful for that. I feel like if I, I got thrown in the deep end at one time or another, um, and I wasn't ready. It would have cost me. And I, and I maybe wouldn't, wouldn't still have a career. I'm not sure. But I think that certainly by the time severance came along, um, it, it, it helped sort of, uh, show that I could maybe be the person out in front, um, carrying something. The severance product, I, I love big swings, you know, but I remember even watching the pilot. I remember hearing about it, you know, it's like buddies of mine because I live in Los Angeles and they're like, do you hear about this show that still is doing? It's like Adam's doing it. And then you watch the pilot and you go, oh my god, like I love the, then you're like, how, how do you finish this? I know you've started filming season three. Um, give me your, I guess the first question is your first impression in how blown away you probably were going like, what are we doing here? Like when we started. Right. Yeah. I mean, when I first read this script, I knew it was, uh, really special Dan Erickson had written something really special, um, and they really, really, like you said, it really big swing. And it was either going to work incredibly well or it was going to be a joke. Like that's what big swings are. You take that risk. And we all took that risk together and Ben was really conceiving of this tone and this designed world and Dan had written this legend of this company. And so it was one really, really big swing. And, uh, and we loved it and loved making it and then loved it when Ben had cut it together. But really didn't know if it was going to work or if people were going to react, how people were going to react until it was out in the world because you never know. You never no matter how much you love something, it may just be a blip and disappear or everyone points at it and laughs or people connect with it and love it. You just have no idea. So we're really lucky that people did connect with it and people do like it, but you have no control over that. That's one of the big things I learned. How often are you confused about where it's going? I'm not. I have a good sense of where it's going, for sure, but I'm also able to kind of watch it develop and watch it get conceived and written and all of that. So it's a lot of people thinking really, really hard about it to make sure it's airtight and going in the right direction. So I was bringing up the career arc part of it and kind of that pivot. I don't know if you're a real planner. I know some people like with agents to be like eight or five years, ten years and you need to get past this person and all these different things. How has your career gone in comparison to maybe how you envisioned it when you first got started? I was never someone that really planned to like that because I never knew what was going to happen. When I started, I was doing background work and then I graduated from that to two-line guest spots on TV shows up to guest star roles where you were part of a real storyline and then eventually up to recurring roles and then series regular roles. It took me a long time. So to say like in six years, I'd like to surpass ski to all rich and be, I just had no basis for saying any of that. I didn't, I was just kind of going step by step truly and so now it's a bit different but I still sort of just kind of go project by project. Although one good thing about where I'm at now is I can start planning a little bit. I can, you know, my wife and I have a company and we produce stuff and so we can set stuff up or get stuff going to hopefully we can get to this in a couple of years, can do this show at a certain point and so we're kind of laying stuff out for the future a little bit now more than I ever really had before. I was talking about step brothers with my friends the other day and we were like, you know, the real test of something is if you're still laughing as hard as you were when you first saw it 10 plus years later, you know, and you're so good at that you're like almost going, wait, is Adam Scott just a dick in real life? Like he's nailing this. Why do you think, are you, when you're a part of something like that, maybe it's the better way to ask, when you're a part of something like that, do you, do you have moments where you like this feels like it's going to hold up timeless is a lot, but, you know, for sure. And, and that was one where, where I thought, if while we were making it, I was like, if I wasn't a part of this, is a movie, I would watch 25 times. This is one of those comedies that I would watch over and over again. And just assuming it was all going to work. And I think it does, but while we're, because it was Adam McKay and Will and John Riley and they had just come off, Taladega Nights and, and, and Ankerman obviously. And so I felt like this is going to be amazing. And I'm so lucky to be here. This is crazy. I couldn't believe I was there. Um, so it's just a matter of keeping my head above water and not screwing it up because it was queer that these guys were making something really weird and really special. Do you feel like there's a movement away from comedies? And again, this isn't like the 80s and stuff that you and I, because we're almost the same age, like you grow up with and we probably name the five movies. You're like, I've watched trading places. I've watched Catushack a million times, you know, and then there's kind of that late 90s, early 2000s. And now it feels like, I don't know if these movies just aren't a priority. Obviously, the business has challenged a bunch of different ways. But do you feel that? That it's like, yeah, there's just not these timeless comedies being made. Yeah, it's a real bummer. I just watched Gail Dottry and the celebrity sex pass the other night. And it is, have you seen it yet? No, no. It is so fucking funny. It is so funny. There's like nine different points where I was rewinding and watching bits over again. It is so funny. And I know it had a quick theatrical run. Maybe it's still playing in some places, but I want that I was like, I want a movie like this every three weeks. Like there was a time when we were getting all these big comedies. And yeah, I hope we're at a point. Let Nick had gone a couple years ago. It did really well. And so it seemed like maybe that it was going to be a resurgence of comedies. And I hope there are. I hope people keep making them. But Gail Dottry and the celebrity sex pass, I think, is a really good sign that comedy is alive and well. And so I hope we keep making them. Yeah, look, we're all just massive fans of the work. And I really enjoyed it. The Whisperman, it is out August 28th on Netflix and Adam and an amazing cast put together a great performance. Yeah, thanks, man. Thanks for the time today. Yeah, thank you. Netflix is expanding its NFL coverage in 2026 from week one to the first ever Thanksgiving Eve matchup in two Christmas day games and a playoff game in January. Week one will feature the leagues first ever regular season game in Australia on September 10th between divisional rivals, the Los Angeles Rams and the San Francisco 49ers. We've got then on Thanksgiving Eve, November 25th, Packers at Rams, then two Christmas day games. As we said, Packers at Bears, one Eastern, followed by bills at Broncos at 430 Eastern. And then week 18 with the playoff stakes on the line, catch the final game of the regular season on Netflix. What I love about this lineup is one. Look, I'm picking the Rams when the whole thing again, that's not all that rare. But we're going to have a little test there to see if that Niners Rams gap exists because as much as I always kind of default to trusting the 49ers, I think there's a significant gap in far more questions with that Niners roster, probably the secondary. All right. Then we're right into the matchup against the Packers, who again, I always kind of expect the Packers to kind of figure things out. But these are like early tests, depending on how healthy all of these teams are, bring it back to week one. The Niners, we know that it's probably the healthiest. They're going to be all season, but real test in the NFC to see if everyone else, these other contenders can match up what the Rams can do specifically, that defensive line for LA. And then finally, you've got Packers, Bears, rematch of the playoff, shootout, incredible game. And also just a reminder of like the Packers and how bad that was. That was their fifth straight loss with the four coming the regular season and bills at Broncos where ended up being a game. Alan loses starts to feel a little bit more playoff criticism than he probably ever had before. But if somebody told me right now, Denver Buffalo, that's my AMC title game, I would, I'd have a hard talent telling them that they were wrong. So we're maybe getting a preview of that on Netflix. Watch week one of the NFL on Netflix starting with the Los Angeles Rams versus the San Francisco 49ers live only on Netflix. Thursday, September 10th at 8.35 p.m. Eastern 5.35 p.m. Pacific. Do you want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari. 355 Cabriolay. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every tour you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Love advice. Love advice with our guy Kyle. And of course, Sir Rudy, look at that. Just say our guy Kyle and Kyle has a nice little smile on his face. Make just made his day a simple man in the best way possible. Nailed it. All right. Hell yeah. Don't take you guys ever envy simplicity. Simplicity? Yeah, just in what context. I'm sure I'm a bunch. I do. But yeah, wouldn't we? Exactly. Wanting less aspiring to be less. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, I would say I would say both seem like they're not exactly the same thing, but keep going. No, like, you know, this isn't like this is going to come off wrong. But like, you know, the people that are like, hey, isn't it just easier to be stupid because then you have to think about things that like I think that other people think about, you know, like, like, you're just kind of oblivious to stuff in your life is probably happier. You know, that's, that's kind of how I feel about like being on social media. I'm like, man, if I didn't work in this industry, like, fuck this. Like, I'm out. I would be so much more pumped about life. I'd be off social media. I wouldn't know about any bullshit because I'll hit up my group chat with my buddies. But hey, you guys see this and they're like, no, I'm like, good for you. I know. Good for you. Wait. Choose your group check. It's older. It'll start sitting away. No Viking. Like, my guys are a month away from sending me the techno Viking clip. Like, have you seen this? Maybe we get it from my group next year because if I show them anything day of, I'm like, what, what happened? Like, is this a deal? So maybe that'll be a topic You should have some sort of philosopher on somebody. I sort of wish the crown jewel wasn't in New York state I'm like man. I wish the place that I loved so much was in like Missouri and like, you know Everything was cheap like we'd have a house and we like, you know Sigerence or five bucks and there's no state tax. It's like why is the place that I need to be In my bones got to be in New York state because it's not like a guy's been watching house unders too much Like should I move to Waco is Waco actually sick? I mean, even my brother is in Buffalo And it's just like they got it. They got like a pretty sick house for like under 200 and it's just like man Why is why don't I love Buffalo? Why why couldn't it be that easy? But maybe maybe that's sort of what you're saying a little bit. I don't know States with no state income tax Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire for your guy South Dakota. I wish there was a pro franchise in South Dakota. Then we can have other guys can play well Deadwood and those day tax Tennessee, Texas, Washington and good old Wyoming according to this list So Missouri might not work out. I just threw out Missouri. I don't know. I figured you do well in Missouri Thanks You in smallman. Yeah, yeah smallman could show you the ropes Big city Shelley She'll love that I just want to have it out no one rides harder for their city to than her man Yeah, I think we saw it in person Krakki just thought he was taking it a little super bowl party and It's like nope Here comes Hurricane Michelle. Yep. She's not gonna like any of these nicknames. Nope. She's not. It's all right Gonna have our eyes not to dance after the fact Yeah, I don't know. I was thinking about that the other day. It's like we kind of awesome to not try Yeah, I think about it a lot for a little while not like in a bad way not a negative way but like What if you just said yeah, I don't care. I don't care about any of this stuff anymore Yeah, you're doing the whole like what is it? You can't be disappointed if you don't have expectations, right? You know Yeah, think about all the extra cash I'd have if I wasn't doing an IRA. I think about that all the time like Totally, I don't know that's the conclusion. I don't think that's worth it. Yeah, I think I think you know keep doing that Kyle These are the shower thoughts. It's like man wonder how much that would have $5 cigarettes God this IRA sucks Yeah, I think what like I think about that. I've got you know one of my buddies is he's he's the dank You know do-a-and-come-no-kids situation and you're like, you know, they're just jet set in the cross the globe and you're like man That'd be cool, but then I'm like now man That actually that wouldn't be for me, but there are times and you're like yeah that part of it looks really cool Yeah, I think that's the big T's of all of it. So you create these scenarios in your head You're like I know that I can't like I didn't have anything to do last night And it was driving me create I'd finished this project I just finished it at like five and then I want to go read this book and then I came back and I was just sitting around and I was like I don't have I'd already prepped a show and I went Yeah, you're probably never gonna be like that. All right, so there you go. We'll thoughts, but um, so yeah Maybe get on we've thought about simplicity a little bit. Yeah Maybe we get Kyle on South Dakota, Zillow. I bet you yeah I will say I I've got cast her money Now that I bet well yeah, I do except for remember a couple years ago I told you guys I was really bummed out that I wasn't invited to weddings It turns out everyone was just like holding back and now I'm invited to all these weddings And they're really like some of them are have attached bachelor parties and like these weddings It's like Dominican Republic Italy Colombia I mean these people have no shame. Why can't we just go to New Jersey? I know that's where you're from like I don't understand So I want you to say no careful what you wish for is is really yeah I don't think so though. I mean not you not you're you're a tier one invite But careful when you do do that though. It's like maybe we can fin this out a little bit. Yeah Maybe the every one is that way I've really with Guam this time of year No actually make sure you get your vaccinations I've passed most like most of the wedding part of my life that you know my friends get married yet You had a now I'm in like the we have I think four of the five weekends in September We got a kids birthday party first birthday party the big one. Yeah And I'm like oh boy. Okay. All right Tough scene. Yeah. I was gonna say some New Year's Eve benders there But I think I missed the window there now maybe after New Year's Eve break up Makeup sex. I don't know. Okay. Uh the reason we're stalling here is because we have so much extra time in front of another taping So we had some room to explore the space here. All right, so let's run through Someone called the cops in my two-year-old five eleven one seventy thirty four years old player cop Jason Caponeau Oh, yeah, got an interest in call tonight from the nice lady who lives across the street She said that yesterday while my wife and I were at work the police showed up at her house because they received a call about a crying baby For context our son. Let's call him Dave. Yeah, cuz you could be listening um a two-year-old Dave Dave seems like a such a weird name for a two-year-old just reading that sentence. He is Yeah, you got to be David till at least like you know six. I think Has anyone ever introduced their one or two-year-old like I was Dave Bob's here doesn't make any sense. Yeah I hope someone who has a day of it starts doing it Bob's on hard food now good for him Guy that's my two-year-old guy Bob's off to formula It's taking a big step. That should come back though, you know like is now everyone's until like you know Brayden jaden caden whatever and like adult Brayden jaden caden's are gonna be weird, you know That's almost weirder than baby Bob It's a great point Really introspective on this episode today. Yeah, yeah, we're off to what Oddstart unbiased of course, but Dave's a very happy and overall great kid My wife and I are both loving the journey. We both love uh We both work and have a nanny who has stayed at our place during the day with our son full time since he was about six months old Our house is in a neighborhood a couple miles outside of downtown Think old homes young families, but also plenty of older folks as well We're also only a block off the main road with restaurants at grocery store apartment buildings So there's foot traffic going by our house sometimes. I share all this because we don't know who called the police Our neighbor talked to them and shared her frustration at their arrival because news flash two-year-olds cry sometimes The neighbor talked to the police because she was she saw them knocking on our door No one answered the police either didn't have a name for who called in or chose not to disclose it to our neighbor Who knows based on When this was said to have happened our nanny was either out with her son on a morning outing or upstairs getting him ready for a nap We immediately shared this with each of our next door neighbors one family two young kids and one couple without kids And asked that they've ever noticed anything concerning going on while we're at work both said no Obviously our top priority is Dave safety. It says our sons, but I just wanted to say it again. Oh, yeah But we think it's highly unlikely. This is something bigger here We're home pretty often to have a great relationship with our nanny. How far should I go to try and uncover who may have called Asking more people on my street The houses who share a backyard fence with us that I don't know and have never talked to or just accept it Maybe the person who called which is someone passing by who doesn't understand that babies cry sometimes Also, how would you suggest notifying our nanny of what happened in acknowledging the severity of the situation while also not coming across? So accusatory that it could damage a very important relationship Unfortunately, you're not going to get any paperwork from this because there's no court usually find out Who called who you know once you're in but you're not going that far so you're not you're not gonna find out that way my guess would be The people who don't have kids. That's your neighbor. That's my guess. I would I would immediately put the Children havers out of the equation. That's minus a thousand. Yeah, they don't have kids I don't think anyone would be concerned that's like Something's happening to this child just because it's screaming loud because yeah like you said newsflash it happens It sounds because I know the further away you get from the city the lower the noise tolerances Like if you lived in an apartment the people that you shared a wall with would not call the cops About something like this, but you know you can have somebody across the street that's annoyed. I just I would I would hope that you studied both of them when you asked them like did both neighbors and you're like hey Something weird happened today. Hope you like really did the Larry David like look in their eyes when you Maybe you could claim something from that, but I don't know this is this is something that I don't think you're gonna be able to get to the bottom of if nobody wants to Fess up Lessons just a concerned citizen that was born yesterday and doesn't understand how the world works. I don't know I know it feels like it feels like one of those things you're just never gonna find out and if you like my old house I like we just my next door neighbor was just the called the cops guy like the neighborhood knew him as the call the cops guy It was dogs. It was whatever there was always a problem. You always had some sort of thing going on And it was like I always makes it easy whenever these complaints happen We pretty much know who it's gonna be every time and you can kind of keep your distance So you're probably not finding out for the babysitter thing I think it's pretty easy to just bring up the incident Innocently and just say hey this happened there. Did you hear anything the cops did that they didn't come over right? Because then you could just kind of play out play off a little bit dumb and see if she has an Information that maybe she was afraid to share with you because you're confronting her with it But I think just bring up what happened to her is totally normal and fine and maybe you'll get something out of it It's weird that she didn't answer the door, but I guess he's he's got two perfectly plausible reasons why It's a lot of yeah, they may not have been there right And if you're upstairs of the screaming baby I mean, I don't know the layout We know it blueprints to work off of here, but it's their possibility I don't think they've ever knocked outdoors lightly And in my experience it's pretty pretty loud and harrowing Okay, but if a police officer was outside and it sounded like Beyond just a crying baby Then they're probably being a little bit more forceful of like what they feel like they have to monitor. They may have come by and heard nothing, okay? Or they may have heard a baby crying and been like, you know, whatever, I, you know, I think the nanny thing is probably worth addressing. You've known this person. They've been in your house. They've been with your child now for a year and a half based on the timeline that you've given us. And I understand maybe if there could be a language barrier or whatever, but is there a way where you can go, Hey, we're really something strange. Our neighbors told us somebody came and so it's not an accusatory fashion at all, but you could just be like. Yes, the teens. Never here. Yeah, was he having a fit? You know, I just wanted to know in case like anybody would have called again, the chances are it was an insane person, heard a regular baby crying and decided to, you know, guardian angel, this thing. So I wouldn't put too much thought into it. I would have to think that a nanny cam would either be something you've already invested in or maybe should invest in because this feels like a strike two situation. Like if it were something like this to happen again, then we were talking about a completely different set of circumstances that need to be addressed. But I would think instead of like sitting the nanny down in a dark dining room at the end of the day and feeling like they're being interrogated, he just kind of collectively is the group be like, Hey, something strange or whatever. But like, was he losing it the other day? And then you all just kind of laugh about it. And he's like, yeah, like I was trying to put him down, he wouldn't go down or whatever. And then you kind of have it, but it does seem weird that somebody would maybe process just a normal crying baby in a way that they felt like they had to call the police. Yeah. And it sounds like he would have a suspect number one if I was going to ask, like, has anyone ever complained that your grill is too smoky or like there's six of you in the backyard on your patio and they're like, Hey, you know, it's Sunday. Like has that ever happened because that would be my number one suspect. I think he would have included that in the email, so, but I feel like that's that would be more likely what it is, but yeah, to the point about who it would be to like younger dudes. I mean, again, 20, whatever year old me, I'm not calling the cops if I hear a crying baby, but there are just things that I didn't know then that I know now. Like I remember talking to, I remember talking to a guy at the old place when I took paternity and he was just like, why don't you just stay home? You were from home like the baby could just be at home. And that's the most, that is the most mid 20s something I've ever heard of my entire life because I would get literally nothing done all day. Like, I mean, it's just that's it, but I wouldn't you wouldn't know that. So I'm at the point being is that like, you know, maybe like some kid heard a baby cry and he just has no idea what's going on. I thought he was doing his part by calling 911 on a on maybe like a bike ride by or something and thought he was doing a good thing and he's actually just kind of an idiot. I would I can't wait to take paternity leave, yeah, that's too late. Line it up football season. Sorry guys. My check is coming in though. Here we go. Here we go. Oh, you think this is a shot at you? No. Well, yeah, I don't know. You know, I get you there. I think the second one you put off, right? You took that on the back end. I did. Yeah. You waited till I got down a little bit. She came a month early. So that through a wrench in the works and we just started Zach Lowe's new show and I was like, I can't really take off right now. So yeah. So I feel like I did take one for the team a little bit, but you know, yeah, I think we all this summer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Different topic. Girl, I'm seeing is a bad kisser six foot one 60 28 years old. I'll cut to the chase and keep it quick. I've gone two dates with this girl. She's fun to hang out with cute super sweet, but she is all caps a bad kisser like to the point where it's not even enjoyable while it's happening. I'm like, what is going on here? I should not have this much saliva on my face, who passionate, passionate lady. My question is, is there any feasible way to broach the subject without her making things incredibly awkward and or being rude? I'd like to keep hanging out with her, but I feel this is an IK. I might not be able to get over it. Let me know your thoughts. Signed anonymous. I think it comes down to reps. You know what I mean? I don't know. She may have a shot. You, but you can't mess with her at times. Yeah. You can kind of take charge without saying words though. I try to do this with Teebo's throwing motion and it's all happening. You know, there's like some pull away, some gentle lip nibbling or something. You could, you could do a lot. She could have left up. Yeah, a little tongue manipulation. She could do a lot. And you just kind of take charge. Some people actually want you to. So I think, I think you could definitely try that, but I think the broaching of the subject should be off the table. I think she might not admit it, but she would want you to go serve before you set some shit like that. You know, that cooler head saying like, yeah, we'd like to get this fixed, but you know, as we move along in life, but this is just not going to be received well. So that's the thing too is when do you bring it up? Is it right after you make out? Is it like randomly on a Tuesday? Like totally away from when you kiss like it has to be in the act. And the joke thing is right out of your day. You ruin the mood after like a make out session because like one, it's not a peck though. So it's not just like, hey, I was your day. Here's a kiss. It's like, you know, your things are getting maybe a little steamy and you're just going to hit the brakes 100% be like, actually, here's a couple of things that I just want us to work on, you know, together. And it's mostly just things about her kiss thing. And I think a joke is even worse if you're just like, well, jeez, got to bring a bib next time or something. You know, I mean, that's not going to work. You even know you're trying to like take it easy, you know, trying to keep it light. I don't think that's going to work. So you can say nothing, but like maybe do you exaggerate it by like, well, then you're going to be like, you know, getting assaulted, you know, you can't do nothing. No, I'm saying you do nothing, but you show that clearly something is wrong. So then she asked you and then it opens the door to be like, well, you know, you asked me. Here's why just put a whole paper towels down at the coffee table. Yeah. All right. Let's watch the movie. John Wick floor. I'm excited. What if you just went bad kiss her back, just came up with all sorts of different games? Yeah. There's like a town or something going on, which I saw was in, you know, is, is I don't know if it's like a Gen Z thing, but not for me. But yeah, like there are certain, some new moves out there that I am not privy to could start smoking cigarettes. You might be grossed out by that and then you just guys, I don't know. I mean, when it's bad, it's, it's really bad. I remember there was like a tornado situation that I was dealing with a long time ago. And I was kind of like, she, this is like, who told you this was a tornado? So I just got. Yeah. No. Teeth is the worst one for clinking teeth. That's a problem. Yeah, but that's like it's usually. His bad breath is tough, breath, you really can't get over, so people said bad breath. Yeah, I think I'm, I'm, yeah, S tier, perhaps well, S tier, yeah, they can easy, but I'm serious guys. I'm not even kidding. You're that good. I'm awesome. Is it a natural skill or is this something you just like? Yeah. I think just forever. Honestly, forever. You just have to get it in. You had it in you. Yeah. That's great. You know, yeah, there's a lot of natural collagen as well, just going, so I think it's just Josh Allen was born in six, five with a cannon arm, Kyle was just born with a great mouth. Look at those lips. Yeah. I'm not kidding, not kidding at all. Content we may have ever done. Who has told you that? Like, are you like, probably like 50% just verbally out loud saying, hey, this is awesome. The first kiss being like, wow, damn. It's true. Yeah. That's awesome, dude. Yeah, I'm, I'm not, so that's, you know, there you go. You know, you're a bad kisser. I'm not bad kisser. I just don't know that I'm like a great kisser. You feel like you're a kisser. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm not, you know, my Kyle. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe with. That's fine though. You know. Ryan's quiet. Yeah. I get to be suck. You get to be. Get to shitty dynamics. Sorry. All right. Let's see. I don't really know. I mean, do we do we say anything else to this guy? Look, everything's a trade-off here. Like, all the other stuff is great. Can you find a way? Can you work on this? Can you, can you get up to a 220 grit, sand down the rough edges here? Yeah. We're working on fun to manage here. Yeah. Yeah. But you breakers are, to me, are okay. Like, not everything, like, hey, maybe it is a deal breaker. Like, maybe she's just not, that's just, it's okay. Yeah. That'll be part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, there's that whole trend of, like, girls saying that what, like, X would do to give her, like, the ick or whatever, and it's like, okay, well, we can't control half of these things. Like, sometimes that's just part of life. You're just not attracted to a certain part of somebody because it's something they do. I don't know. So, I mean, if you really like her, that's a bummer, but. Yeah. It does kind of suck. Just to see if you can lead the next couple of times, that's all. Well, I don't know. I mean, she probably, here, the problem is, is whatever she's doing, she thinks it's crushing every time. No. Because most people feel like, what the fuck is that? Take it easy. Lassie. So, that's, that's a, it's gonna be a tough bridge. What happens when you lock 18 coworkers in an office for one week to compete for a quarter million dollars of cash? This is Surviving Bar Stools season five presented by Rumble Premium, where each episode releases three hours early. So, get it out free before anybody else, only when you join Rumble Premium. New episodes of Surviving Bar Stools will be released every Sunday and Wednesday, leading up to the Labor Day Finale on September 7th. You can watch Surviving Bar Stools at 5 p.m. on Rumble Premium and everywhere else at 8 p.m. Eastern. All right. Lifting tips. 6-1, 198, 36 basketball compilates. Athletic, more aggressive. of Tyler Hansbro, more aggressive with the torso of Glenn Davis. an arms-like chest hongerin. That is a monster potato head to hybrid. After three kids in four years of long work hours constantly changing diapers, feeding babies, no exercise and being skinny fat, I decided to do something about it. Seeing a picture of myself and thinking, "That's weird. My arms don't look that small," coupled with my three-year-old wearing a tank top that said, "Big muscles like dad, gave me the push I needed." I also kept telling myself, "Good for him." He used my, he goes, "You can be strong or weak. Why would you choose weak for motivation?" That might be in my tombstone, although I've never felt weaker. All right. Now to the point, I've made great progress over the last two months by creating a routine of lifting everyday, eating lean, high protein meals daily. Probably don't need to lift everyday, buddy. Just let those muscles grow a little bit, but again, sometimes I want to just go in there, so I totally get it. High protein meals daily, seeing the gains, I stupidly thought I was further along in my journey and I actually, I did a military press with weight that I probably wasn't ready for and hurt my shoulder. Yeah, that's what happens. You're like, "I'm just going to keep smashing all this stuff out. You keep pushing yourself and then you might not have the base, especially when you get those arms up above your head. I couldn't help but think of a story you told a while back about having the same experience and giving advice along the lines of, "Just don't do military press. Do you have any guidance on recovery or continuing to lift with this nagging injury?" Thanks for advance. He also is very complimentary in the show, so thank you for that. Yeah, the military thing always drives me crazy because if you do the straight-up 90-degree bench angle thing, just think you're putting yourself, your shoulders, and specifically that area between your shoulder blades in a really compromised position when it starts to go heavy. I don't know that the body is actually, like you can see some dudes doing some insane military press stuff, but we've always talked about this, so a plenty of you already heard before. Dip the bench back a slaughter to, so it's not incline, but it's more incline and it's just going to put way less pressure on your shoulders when you're doing all that kind of stuff. And finally, when somebody told me that after I fucked myself up so many times, I was like, "Oh, this is great." And here's the thing, like you can go heavy, but don't go crazy ego-heavy. Even if you think you're strong, because again, you're putting yourself in some of these compromised positions. At 36, I'm not too worried. Unfortunately, this is when the bad stuff happens, like with Ray Leot and Goodfellas, or like, "This is the bad times." These are the times, you know, when those injuries are going to start popping up, being like, "What the hell is this?" And they may not necessarily go away in 48 hours, like they did all the other times. So a lot of it is stretching. If I had stretched like this, I would have been heard a lot less. I'm stretching constantly now. Stretching, stretching, stretching. And I think if it's, I don't know if it's the top of the shoulder, or if it's behind the shoulder, again, that shoulder blade thing, usually is the thing that's compromised with the military press. But I would pull on bands, just pull in different directions all the time. And I think there's also a lot of stuff where you, if you just started lifting, the supporting muscles probably are not fully developed. So research shoulder injuries and figure out what muscles around it need to be worked on a little bit. Sometimes I'll just do like 17 pound kettle bells and just pull, or sometimes I'll do stand-up military dumbbells, 20 pounds, 30 pounds, 40, 50, 60 if she's nasty. But I, you know, look, the shoulder thing, but you can ego out on a chest press and have somebody spot you. And if you don't get that last rep, you're fine. Military is a dangerous, dangerous game. That is the end of my rant. Fair. Just makes me think of, yeah, I don't have much on that, but it just makes me think of, I watch that, remember a coach, Wiley, that browns guy from Hard Knocks, the big, big guy. Is that the belly guy? That one, he would be the belly guy. And it would, uh, browns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have some reason like this week, watch that video again of him, like, bitching about stretching. And then he was talking about like, he was talking about like World War II and how he's like, nobody's stretching World War II. He's like, we want two World Wars. Now everybody's talking about stretching. You don't need to stretch. Yeah. We want two World Wars because we didn't stretch is such a great like reach that I'd, I just respect it anyway. It has nothing to do with it. We're talking about what you're talking about stretching. Maybe think of that. I love it. I love that you brought it back up. And yeah, I'm not going to point out that, you know, do we win World War II quicker if we stretched? We had some bands that we tip out. Yeah. Little band work. Like man, this Africa thing's taken forever. You know, I Africa took forever is like just the logistics. It was a challenge where guys were, I remember reading this one part where they were packing the ramps to unload the jeeps off these carriers and they put the ramps behind the jeeps so then they didn't have the ramps for the jeeps. So there's a lot of like trial and error just packing alone. Now that's where you win the war. Logistics of it all, fuel, food, transportation. So I'll be ready about. Yeah, really if there's another one. I've got, I want to find this email. Will you guys talk amongst yourselves for a minute here? I'm putting on the spot, but I need to find this email that I think is great. And I for some reason, it's not, it's not flagged here. I'll tell you the real quick that happened to me. My sister got married this past weekend. It was sick. In the bed. Can we not know anything? Slid under the wire. She wasn't sure if she wanted to, you know, it was non-traditional to gay wedding to begin with, but slid under the wire. We all got matching powder blue blazers that we stood up there with. That was sick. But the whole thing heading up to it was, she said they were going to have room for yard games, because on a farm, I was like, what about bucket golf? She's like, yeah, we'll see if we have room. I bring bucket golf just because take over the, they had a Frisbee golf section on this farm, but I totally set a bucket golf in front of the Frisbee golf. Nice little three-hole course. Maybe two people picked up a Frisbee. Everybody was doing a bucket golf the whole weekend. I mean, I was going to say, I don't want it to wait, because you know, you typically don't bring your own activities to a wedding. Yeah, this was not a turnkey wedding though. I mean, we were set up. But yeah, you said it was different. That's yeah, yeah. And she like admitted reluctantly at the end, she was like, yeah, bucket golf was a huge shit. I'm sorry. I doubted you. Yeah, so that's good. That's good. Yeah, no, I know you're getting in your, the reps there for the bucket golf. I feel, I still yet to play. I've got to, I've got to get out there and do it. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like they should be calling us at this point, but I guess this is the last one you guys get. Do you ever play Polish horseshoes back in a day? That was always one of my favorite speaking of Frisbee's. Are those smaller horseshoes or bigger ones? No, you stick a ski pole on the ground and you put a beer on top of it and you throw Frisbee's at it. And then if it hits the pole and you, the whole game is a knock the beer off the pole, right? And then you can hit it by the way. It's, it is great. Super fun. It's good. If you hit, if you hit the, the pole, you can then grab it. But if it's the ground, you have to chug it, the rest of it essentially. Oh, okay. It's a very cool game, very fun game. Anyway, I think you can get your games haven't played that in a while, but it's, it's a fun one. I love that game when I see you guys doing it. Love it. It's great. It's been a minute. It's bringing it back. All right. I can't find the one I was looking for. We're going to do this one. Hey guys, five, eleven, one, ninety one. Nothing crazy in the gym. I've basically been maintaining for the last five years. I show four days a week. Do the same list. I've always done it somehow managed to maintain a physique that's somewhere between he lifts and he likes beer. You know what? Kind of the theme of the start of the so thing. Sometimes something's better. So you're in there. You're doing it. You're maintaining. I know the plateauing things. Thanks, though. It sucks. My NBA comp would probably be a late career Andre Igodala. Decent size for a wing. No standout skill, but a solid jack of all trades teammate. Man, I feel like you're being a little like I know what you're doing, but Igodala could also like run an offense and set up stuff, too. Like he was an incredible wing because he didn't need it, but if he was asked to use, well, he probably didn't want the Igodala. If he's too young to remember six years area, Igodala. Yeah, right. Point card, Igodala. 28 years old, married for two years, living in a city I really enjoy away from my hometown where most of my high school friends still live. I have a great group of guys. Some are married, some aren't. Some have successful career. Some don't. Everyone's on a different path. The thing I've been wrestling with lately is this, what's response, what responsibility? If any, do you have as a friend to push someone who you think is capable of a lot more? There are three friends in particular that have me thinking about this. The first two guys are in their mid 30s, early mid 30s. Both have college degrees. Generally smart, capable guys. They live together back home, make a living, reselling things. They find it thrift stores and estate sales. They basically live paycheck to paycheck are rarely able to participate in any group vacations or cool outings. So somebody needs to start a YouTube channel. I know. Two friends that are antiquing that live together. Okay. If that's truly what makes them happy, then great. But from the outside, it feels less like they consciously chose that life and more like they slowly drifted into it. Well said. They don't have healthcare or retirement benefits, neither one dates. They don't really meet new people. They don't seem to have much more of a long-term plan. Okay. As their friend, is it my place to ask questions like, what's the plan five years from now? Or have you ever thought about getting a traditional job? Could those conversations actually help someone who just needs a little push? Or do conversations like that almost always come across as judgmental and accomplish nothing? Then there's another friend who's in a little different situation. He's 29. Really smart works hard, but he's never had a traditional nine to five. He's tried starting multiple businesses. One failed. The next failed. And now he's onto another idea. Whenever the topic of getting a regular job comes up, he'll say things like, I could never work a nine to five or I can't have a boss. I absolutely love guys that have nothing going on. I'm like, I can never work for anybody. Could be me. Yeah. Well, you're fucking doing a great job, man. Telling this new fruit from the Amazon rainforest that I just need to get five more guys and then, you know, it will be fine. The man was thumb on your back, no thanks. All right, his view of corporate life feels like it came entirely from watching office space. He jokes in a normal job. He's just grinding away every day to increase shareholder values. So you can get a pizza party once a year. - Oh, it's been the company. - It's a pretty great worldview. But will you film one of these rants and send it to us? Anyway, the funny part is he's never actually worked in that environment. Meanwhile, he's barely making enough money to support himself, still is at home. He keeps chasing the next business idea. Part of me wants to sit him down explaining that a lot of us actually enjoy our jobs. Having a steady paycheck, healthcare retirement savings, coworkers you like, and enough financial stability to move out, date, travel, and build a life isn't a soul crushing existence. It's actually pretty nice. But then I wonder if I'd be the idiot in that conversation. Plenty of successful entrepreneurs failed multiple times before something finally worked. One of his next ideas, the one that changes everything. Who am I to tell someone to stop betting on themselves and fall in line with quarter of America if there's even a small chance they're right? Have you ever had friends like this? Not a ton, it's my answer. People who seem stuck, I was one of these guys for a good chunk of my 20s. People who seem stuck or people who kept chasing something that didn't seem realistic. Again, check both of those boxes. Did they eventually figure it out on their own? Is there ever a point where being a good friend means having an uncomfortable conversation and challenging someone, or is that almost never productive? And the better move is to let people live the life they choose. I'm genuinely torn. Part of me thinks I should mine my own. Business, another part of me feels like if I watch my closest friends waste 10 years of their life without ever saying anything, I'd regret staying quiet. Well, for the third guy, you are the idiot in his eyes. And it sounds like you have probably already brought it up 'cause how would you know all these insights that he has about the working stiffs? How would you know that he thinks you're a sheep? If you guys haven't talked about this already. Because he brings it up. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, this is it. You would certainly be the sheep talking to the wolf in the situation in his eyes for that. Yeah, I don't know, I think guys can have thick skin when it comes to a lot of things. But if you're basically, if you're talking about like their vocabulary or their, I don't know, where they live or what they're wearing or something like that, I think that would all fly. But if you're just like, existentially, I don't know what the fuck you're up to, man. Dude, I think a little less receptive to that kind of criticism or questioning. So that's a tough one. I personally, I'm not touching this. If everyone at the friend group dynamic is fine, everyone's happy and they're not like, if you know that they're like bummed out about not being able to do these things with you guys or go in these trips or afford certain things, then like, all right, yeah, maybe it's like, hey, I'd be thought about this. But if everything is like, status quo is fine, you guys are a good friend group. And like, I just don't know that you messed with that dynamic. Maybe this is like just the idiot old school man thing of like, suppress all your feelings. And because like, you know, like the videos that go around now or it's like, you know, dudes hang out, they go golfing for five hours and they come home and they ask her, but wife's like, hey, like, did so-and-so start a new job. You're like, no idea. - It didn't come out. - No idea. Like, that's kind of like, that's kind of my friend group. Like, we have a great time. And we just kind of, I don't know, there have been times when you really need to get in. I'm like, I'm going to go into specifics. But like, you know, we'll ask a question here or there because you know, they kind of need something. But if these guys all seem relatively happy and you are a good friend group and you operate well and they, you know, sometimes she's got to let guys live their own life and then like, you become the guy who is like, oh, he's got it all figured out. Great, now he's going to fix my thing. And that's just not a place where I would personally want to be. Maybe you do, but I, I don't know. I let people live, you know, let people live their life. Let people make their mistakes and, you know, help them when they ask for help. - And I'm not saying this is like for success stories because like, a lot of it, you see like a successful person, a lot of times they're actors, so I don't think it, it totally translates. And maybe when the actors went, no, but I'm saying like, when these interviews, when they talk about getting into the business or finally, you know, they love to say how they were, you know, fucking picking out at garbage cans and ego rock when they were sharing a room with four other guys or something like, and that might be romanticizing it a little bit now that they're the shit. But I think like, a lot of times like people that end up doing well, they have like kind of a story that's kind of not dissimilar to what some of these guys are going through. And my point is like, if that's a success story, there's gotta be somebody who came, ended up in the middle, you know what I mean? There's probably, might just be late bloomers is my point. Like I think if it's good enough for Bradley Cooper, you know, maybe, maybe it's good enough for you one day. I don't know. I think being 29 is not like, if you're doing well at 29 and you're looking at your buddy at 29, like I think you gotta give him a little more rope just because you definitely can't fix him and he's old enough to have free will and do what he wants. So I think you just gotta have like be positive that something will work out. Clooney was like, bus and tables at like 45, wasn't he? I don't know. 45? I don't know. He was old, right? Yeah, yeah, I was sorry. He had fooled that. Or was that John Hamm? Somebody got somebody was old. Hamm was old. Yeah, Hamm was for the industry. It was, it was like late for him, but you're right. Like Clooney was late to it. 'Cause I've heard so many Clooney stories. And by the way, they're all incredible. Yeah. Like whenever-- Drop of dives for as best buddies of like million dollars, is that real? I don't know if that one's real or not. I was at some writers party years and years ago. It's like when I first got out here, I was like, ooh, whatever. So, and there was like, you don't have to be Clooney. Maybe you're just an HVAC guy later on in life. And it's like, yeah, actually, I got more work than I know what to do with. I don't know. I'd rather you be Clooney. That's like that guy was the best hang of all time. I would leave the 30, something's alone. This just maybe like if they're on the same page. And like the biggest takeaway I have from this email is that you're assessing three of your friends that you don't think are doing as well as they should be doing. I don't know that you're necessarily being judgmental. Some people can frame it that way. Maybe you are a judgmental guy. But you're not coming to us with one person. You're coming to us with three. So that either speaks to you feeling like you have got to pull everybody up, which may be great intentions. It also could mean that you could just not worry about this shit. Again, I don't know the specific dynamics here, but you're not just talking about one person. This feels much like an older brother to younger brother conversation. Then it is some buddies from home. I think you guys are absolutely right. Like there's just a recoil you have as a man. Where you're like, oh, you're going to fucking assess me. Why don't we do your scouting report, you know? And it's like just doesn't go well. And if anybody pulled me aside in my 20s, I wasn't going to listen to him anyway. I remember having this epiphany at one point when I still was like, I was just kind of getting started, but it was still pretty tough. And then there was a guy that I knew. And he was like, you know, honestly, I don't really feel like I ever figured it out until I was 35. And I was like, awesome. I've like six more years. New deadline. There we go. It was like the best day ever. I'm like, I'm going to start taking it easy. I can be like this for six more years. This is great news. So I do think there's something, and I don't like the how selfish can get about, well, I did this. So then everybody else, and that's not really, I think it's maybe more myopic than the selfish, but it, because I did this, then everybody else is kind of supposed to do this. And that's where you can start making some mistakes on assessing what other people are doing. Look, maybe the nine to five world is absolute hell to your friend, which again, it can still be held them without necessarily experiencing it. And there's something to be said, kind of like on the theme of the beginning of this whole thing, of like, what if these guys are happy? Like you never mentioned once that they were unhappy. What if they're happy? I mean, what if you think they're delusional and they're at peace? Maybe the 30s, somethings. But the 29 year old guy's probably gonna have to keep failing and falling a bunch of different times, but those failures or whatever you deem is like not him living to his potential, those are gonna shape whatever he ends up becoming. And he's gonna know what he doesn't want and know what doesn't work. And hopefully, you know, not that we all learn from every single mistake that we make, but I would lay out is, if I gave you one sentence of advice, which is not what we do here, I would lay out and not really worry about it that much because men don't listen to each other. And the friend group thing can get really weird. Like I can think of a few different people if I had ever pulled aside, they'd just be like, oh, yeah, okay, Mr. ESPN's gonna tell us how it works. And I would just go like, I'm not doing this. And then the what about is, I'm starts, you know? Yeah, well, yeah. I love that one, yeah. So, I can do another one here, but this feels like a full circle. Why don't we not, why don't we not do another one? 'Cause we're already 40 minutes. 'Cause we're way ahead of the week, right? We could leave something on the table. Yeah, yeah. I found the email. So we'll do that one for the next show. We're gonna start on it. I did, I just started by-- Is that a topic? Great advice. I'm still learning it 51. Thank you. You know what, I'll listen. I'm receptive to your goal. Oh man. Okay, thanks a ton. Thanks to Kevin, thanks to 3D, thanks to Kyle. Please subscribe to the show. Full episodes on Netflix. Three times a week, Rhino Sillo show, bar store sports. (upbeat music) [BLANK_AUDIO]