The White Crack Kingpin Who Ran An All-Black Drug Crew

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It's the one and only Black Label, right here on the connect with Johnny Mitchell. You know who you remind me of? Brother Ali. He was a rapper from Minnesota, and he's a black guy, but he's albino, and he's a big husky dude, and he looks like you. That's crazy. Did you used to get discriminated against by white people because of the way you talked to, really, police hate me because of just because of the way I am created by God. This is natural. It's not fake. It is what it is. It's just who I am, police right now, like when I go live, St. Petersburg, police department to get on my life and say, "Shit, like, say hi to officer Dan, shit like that." Like, we on your trail, but I don't do nothing for you to be on my trail, but it's just, they try to pressure you, but I don't know how much pressure you're going to give somebody already did 15 years of prison. Right. Well, you swag and your demeanor and your mind was given by God, but you definitely talked that way because of how you grew up. Yeah, absolutely. But I'm just saying it's not a fake accent. This is every day. So even if I did have a corporate job, I'd be on the phone, like, yeah, thank you for calling the best by customer service I can help you. For sure. You know what I'm saying? Because this is a very black job. That could be. Could be. Yeah, I mean, because in my mind how we grew up is like, because we grew up worshiping like black America and the ghetto, most white, authentic rich people do, they get the culture from just what you say. Well, especially from the '90s, because the culture was dominated by hip-hop. Absolutely. And obviously all the movies. So like in my mind, I lived how you speak, then act. Right. You're not the first person to terminate. And that's why part of the reason why I decided to go so public with it because I could show you my DM and my phone. I have tons of white guys, white people, white women who say, "Hey, man, I'm just like you. I came from where you came from. I talk like how you talk on my kids are in the same similar situation. My husband's in prison 15 years, he's getting ready to come home. Things of that nature. There's people who, I'm not an anomaly in America, that's for sure. I can be quite a bit of a phenomenon on TikTok for those who don't travel. I can understand that. But I'm the voice for those who can't speak. I'm the voice for those who don't understand why they are the way they are until they see me on social media. I understand what I'm saying, I think that people need to see somebody like me in the forefront to speak about what I speak about so much. The message is always paying in the purpose, but through that pain, what are we looking for? What's deep down inside of us, when will we learn how to reach the pit of our gut and find ourselves to be adaptive in the society that tells us how to walk, how to talk, how to be social media of 60-second clips, those 45-second clips that you see on Instagram with the girls, with the purses and the fat asses that you haven't lived with them for 24 hours and six months. This may be the most memorable moment that they carried, but this is also the most memorable moment that you'll see, and then you have to go back to your bed or look in the mirror and face yourself and say, I don't have that Chanel purse, or I'm black, but I think I'm white. In case what you were saying, how you live in your mind, there's a lot of people who get ashamed for just what you said, but at the same time, back then, as of now, that was the narrative that's being pushed. You know, you had all black music, all black movies, you had all black sitcoms. It dominated the airwaves, you understand? So, I just think that it's important what you said, because people look at me and they judge me, but they don't understand, it's people like you who understand who get it. Now, although you have May came from, you know, the state or whatever, you're right. You understand what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, whatever your path is, whatever God descended on you, you accepted it. You made a path for it. And that path is what you'll be judged for, like how I'm judged for. But without clarity in that path, you understand what something there's no definition. And then people come across me, people come across my page, they see how ruthless I talk, they see how definitive I am, they see how raw and real I give it to the people. This is unscripted and I'm a stand on my 10 toes, because even if they decide to walk out this door and they kill me today, I'm still going to die within who I am the way God created me. And that's the voice of the people who can't speak. Well, you're incredibly authentic. And that's what people crave because most of the internet is, as you say, Chanel purses and fake fat asses and chicks acting like they're traveling everywhere when they're just getting flown out and are basically prostitutes, you know. And I look at guys like Gary Owen, great comedian. On stage, he talks like you, kind of, right? It's that guttural Southern, it's a mix of like Southern white trash with all due respect and black. And then he gets off stage and he kind of sounds like me. You're like this 24/7. 24/7. If I'm in a speaking engagement, whereas predominantly white, I'm speaking in front of a professional, because I do speak in engagements with like a bunch of people like Corpon and stuff, my dialect, my arts would be more definitive, but the voice and the picture never change. So people say, I call switch, I don't call switch, I just clean it up a little bit for the people I'm speaking to. Well, you know who does that? Who grows up learning that? Black people. They have two voices. They got some of the service voice, and they got them all fucking partner voice. And they can't get weird, right? But this is true, so how do I look like talking to my girl, how I talk to my guys? You don't, nobody does that. Nobody does that. Right? So it's the same like, if you sitting around shooting a shit on a boat with your boys, you know. Talk to your mother fucker. You're right. You going to go home and talk to your wife like that? Of course not. No, is she going to accept that? No. No, you don't clean that shit up. It's for who? The respected audience. Right. It's the same fucking thing. That's right. That's right. So they always try to like, Oh, he calls switch, he call, I don't call switch. I just clean up so the people can understand, I want you to hear the message. I don't want you to get so, I don't want to say starch up, but I don't want you to get, I don't want you to sit there but funnel in the speech that I'm giving to where you can't even attach or adapt to what I'm saying, because I don't want nobody to miss the message. Right. The message is more important than delivery. Way more important. That's really funny. If you don't cause switch, you're a piece of shit. You go talking that shit around your grandmother, like they don't want to hear that. But they don't clean your mouth up, young man, like around, around. But you know what? Even back then, you know, they said, you know, we'll put the soap in your mouth. You see? So for those who say, you know, go switch or the case may be, man, it's my favorite saying is that if you type and you're not fighting, that's just that, bro. You guys don't want to say you, you keep on, right? I ain't even going to be in the comments or I know who I am. Now again, what's so fascinating about your story is you're discriminated against white people for talking black, but how you came up in the ghetto, the all black ghetto in St. Petersburg, Florida, you're picked on by black people for being white. Yes. What described that? Like how bad was it? How long did it last? How did you get out of it? I didn't see it as being discriminated against from my race. I didn't see it black or white. It's just politics and what's going on in this neighborhood. I understand it on white, true, but it's not like I'm white and they black and they pick on me because I'm white. It's just, I'm the right of the, of the wolves that's running. And they want to toughen me up for a purpose. And this is the only way they can, this is the only way they know. It's like they say when you do better, when you know, when you know better, you do better. You see what I'm saying? This is the only thing they know. So I'm going to either adapt to it and fight or I'm going to get eaten. So whenever people say, you know, black, white, they try to put a color on it and this down to that, that's not even still to the day I still don't see it like that. in a probability-stricken neighborhood and, you know, I just being bullied in Pakistan on my own 10 toes. And for me, that was out of love. It wasn't out of persecution. You know what I mean? It was already tough. They already had, you know, a crazy ass lifestyle. They was already starving. It was already struggling. So, you know, you don't feel the pain too. And you gonna be a monster if you gonna live here. - So you didn't feel like you were getting beat up or bullied because I was like it was just part of, it's part of the initiation for lack of better words. And also, you were an only child. So, now you're in this neighborhood full of wolves. They're brothers and cousins. You're all by yourself. - Oh, by myself. - Yeah. So, you had a pretty horrendous childhood. - Yeah, to say the least. - Yeah. - Right. - Yeah. - Never knew your father. - Never knew my father. - Still to this day, you don't know what happened to him? - Never. - No picture, no voice, no name. - Mom never talked about him? - No. - Is your mother still alive? - No, she passed. - Did you make up with her? - No, I never went to the firm. - Fuck. - Sorry, man. - Is what it is. - Yeah. - So, St. Petersburg, mother was, I mean, you're basically like starving. - Yeah. - And there's no education. My mother didn't have an education. Mom, she liked the alcohol and weed and friends more than she liked me. You know, she had a couple of boyfriends and shit. You know, she tried to chase behind, you know, look up for luck or she's too a starved, you know, of emotion, you know what I mean in affection. So, you know, if you don't know, then how do you know? - But like, you were physically starved too. Like, yeah. - Yeah. - That's a little, she'll give you coffee when you were hungry. - Yeah. - To a suppressed appetite. Because she was too, she was too content with how she wanted to live and her realm. But when you have kids, you don't live and your realm, you live for the kid and y'all's ramification of life to where you have to do better. But she didn't want to do better. She didn't want to go to school. She didn't want to get education. She didn't want to work too job. She didn't want to do shit. She really didn't want me. You know, she told me she tried to abort me. And then whenever they put the vacuum or whatever it was, you know, "Fuck, you gotta figure that I was back in the early 80s." Whatever the fuck the case may be. She said something. There was having complications and the sucking wasn't working. - That is wild. That's the only thing to say because the sucking wasn't working. - The power was low and the building power went out. - Here I am. - Dude, your life, your story begins with fighting. - Yeah, absolutely. - With not wanting to be here. - Yeah. - Forced mind to. - Yeah. - Right. - Wow. - So you're like six or seven years old and it's like ghetto poverty. It's like food stamps, you know. - Yeah, you're going to church every twice a week to get your free bag of food, free, free, free, free on banana box of food, you know what I mean? Shit like that. And then if that isn't working then, you know, you go to another church on downtown St. Pete. They should have the Lions Club and there was another something called Stargate, Star Something Foundation that you know people would go to, you know what I'm saying? But it was, it's not nothing that they did. Anybody should, should want to be born into. - Of course not. - Of course not. They've shown that the stress of poverty like physically affects you. I mean obviously through stress, but like the neurons in your brain get crossed. - I mean, like you ain't right, you know. - No, I'm definitely. I would say all the shit I've been through to sit in this room with you today, I probably shouldn't be here. There's two things that I read when I was studying about myself. I have an undergrad in psychology. And two things that I read, there's actually three things that's crazy as shit. The first thing is that on my left station, last key, welfare and poverty equals prison, right? Without a doubt, hands down. If you let those four go together, you ask going to prison, they happen. The second thing is that the military did a study and I want to say lately on one of the military bases that they all had a platoon where everybody was best friends and stuff, they was all hanging out. You know, coworker relationships. You know, but you know, you make friends. So what they did, they went and separated them. They put half of the platoon in the confinement prison. Each cell had one person. And then the study was for the other buddies to watch over them. And the first week, it was cool, everything was cool, buddy, buddy, checking on them. The second week it started declining. The third, four, five, six weeks, it was really harsh punishment. And then we was friends in the freedom world. But now what you locked up, I'm digging in you. I'm doing a lot of abuse of mental shit. You see, and then the third study was the military. If you have been a solitary confinement by yourself in like two weeks, they, they deem you incompetent throughout the rest of your life. And they cut you loose. So think about how long people in prison right now have you sitting in solitary confinement? I did, I did. I did 28 months in solitary confinement. Out of 15 years. And then we were released with no psychological evaluation. No help and rehab. So today, why sit? I'm not supposed to be here. Not at all. The power of the brain, we talk about pain and the purpose. How fucking hard do you want it? Yeah, will is everything. The will is everything. And a lot of cats from your situation sell drugs, but most are unsuccessful. They get hooked or they just, they don't know anything. They don't learn anything. They don't get to go to school. They don't know. They just got knocked off from B.M.F. His name is Jaybo or something like that. He just got knocked with a bunch of keys, right? 53 kilos. Bro, you're 48, 52 years old. Who the fuck want to do that? But I mean, they don't even get up to 50 ounces. I'm talking about people like, you're basically an orphan. The cats from the projects have a better than you. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So the fact, by the time you're seven, eight years old, you're like, no, you're like this. I'm about to get out of this shit. Like when you learned that crack cocaine was a way to get out, most people just, I don't have that. I don't have that toughness of mind and that presence to be able to like put your mind to go do that. Most people, I'm just, you know, like I'm giving you your flowers. Like it's exceptional. It's beyond exceptional. And that's why I do these podcast, man, because it's like, it's so many people I do. I had a lady, she sent me a wall bar, you know, Austin. It's older white lady. And she ran onto me crying. And she like, oh my god, you the guy off, you know, with Tik Tok and stuff. I'm like, yeah, and she helped me and she was crying. I said, why are you crying? She said, 'cause you're so inspirational. And you don't understand how much of an impact you made on my life, 'cause I thought about killing myself. Wow. That feels good, huh? Really good. We're good. So, and you say you had sexual abuse? Yes. From old to cousin. Fuck. Female. Wow. She was being molested by her mother's boyfriend. I didn't know that. Of course, you know, I could tell the story now, but back then I didn't know. You understand what none of that shit was. She just come in a room, literally just ripped the fucking curves off me and start, you know, eating my dick and not get on top of me. That, I think, is common in the hood. I was like the female molesting the younger. I think, I would say yes. And then in the white community, it's more of the dad fucking the daughter. Yeah. Both those will come. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately. But, you know, now you're seven, eight, nine years old. And this neighborhood, St. Petersburg's like, it's changed so much. Oh, absolutely. I was, I was driving through there when I was out in Tampa, kicking it with Matt. Right. And I was, I went through St. Pete and I was like, this doesn't look that bad. Right. But back in the 90s, or I guess late 80s. Late 80s early 90s. Yeah. I popped off the porch like, you were like a fucking toddler basically. Yeah. Absolutely. Without a doubt. Did you realize what this crack shit was? Like at what age did you realize, oh, I can, I can make money out and buy food from friends of mine who are older, the old geez, I would watch, like we go to the store and shit and they'll buy us all, you know, soon when snacks and shit like that sold and I didn't understand they would pull out like, boy, dope, boy, nothing like that. I'm probably out of fuck you getting all this money and I just sit back and I just be watching shit. We live there. We live in a spot in St. Pete of Union Street. Back when Jet Lee and Wonder Man and Peter Clark and a few other guys who had St. Pete jumping back in like 1986, 1988, 1990. It was called a zoo and it's called a zoo because everybody literally was just running around like a chicken with a head. It's got a feeling for that crack. And this is why I really understood like to watch hands exchange. I don't know what this plastic bag is but I could see it being exchanged for money. You see what I'm saying wasn't until older till, you know, I was walking to the store. I was going to, you know, cronks before burnt down off night street and things like that. Higley, waggley. You know, I can remember the drug dealers telling all the kids, you know, y'all put all that shit up there and they just put an adult boy nuts and they paying for it. And then I'm, I'm, I'm able to associate the money with the drug that time I don't know to draw until I start talking to, you know, some of my partners and they're like, "Man." "This gonna get you rich." I'm like, "What is it?" And they showed me like three little small white squirrels like chicklets on the little plastic dime bag. And they were like, "This right here." I'm like, "What is it?" I said, "Let's call her. Let's crack." I said, "What does it do?" So she had bitch get how old for black. But they spent money all day long on it 'cause I had so short. So I had a friend of mine, they ain't saying, "Well, I had a friend of mine." My mother's best friend named was Adrian. She's always been really good. People, she was always hot and scream. Everybody knew and shit like that. And then she had a boyfriend and they ain't seen murder. He's been saying by Adrian kinda like took me on the whole wing. I was real, I was probably about three or four years old. I could remember her looking at me and telling my mother, "I don't know where you got him from." But this is a black kid. This is a black man. He has a black soul. I don't know where the fuck you got him from. But baby, you ain't got this, something special right here. You gotta hold on to him. And she's like, "Man, that little fat piece of shit." I could remember it. I could just be. A little fat piece of shit ain't gonna be nothing. Yeah. Four years old. Yeah. I remember it like yesterday. And then through association with Adrian and shit like that, you know, just the old geez bouncing back and forth. I lived off of a brick road called Oakdale when I was younger. And then right behind my house was Terri Lee and Robert Lair. Terri Lee was one of the biggest drugs in Robert Lair. Jerry Curles and shit. You know, I had the best fucking cattle extra overseeing the best paint jobs. The best rooms. And they live literally like Terri. My backyard and their backyard was just a small, four foot, chain-leaf fence. And it was a crack house? It was a weed house and a crack house. Today's episode is sponsored by PrizePix. You guys know PrizePix by now. It's the only way that I fire on sports action. Football season is finally back. Yes, it is. And PrizePix is bringing their best offer yet. Check it out. New users who sign up get $150 in lineups. If they win their first $5 lineup. So if you win your first $5, these guys will shoot you $150. PrizePix is available nationwide now. 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How was it organized? Was it mostly projects and apartment buildings and little kids running up to cars pulling up? Or like compared to like New York where it was, I don't know, or Baltimore. To compare to anybody, I don't really know because I haven't sold jobs nowhere else. I'm not really sure how other people like the smack era of the 70s in New York was our crack era in the 90s. So if you can kind of remember what the movies were, you know, when they talk about you know the jeeps and the MCM and the leather and, you know, the Gucci and all that shit and the BMWs, that's how I was in the 90s in our era. Right. So it's funny because the crack era came later in St. Petersburg, even though the Florida invented the cocaine. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It didn't hit us till 1986. It was already gone and observed probably the late 1983s, '84. Right. So when you, but when you got into it though in the early 90s, you were still rolling, right? Oh, absolutely. It was still a huge effect. Absolutely. No doubt about it. These OGs, well, his name was Seamurter, that was Adrian's boyfriend. I had two. I had OG on Seamurter and I had a fat dude named Heavy, and then with Tyrone to the Pharaoh. They didn't call him skinny. They gave him a literal name. And again, for those in the comments who say I'm snitching, everybody's already being convicted. Bitches already dead. Fair time. Bitch, they being dead. A sweet name. It's been out between a dead time. Came on. Some of them dead time again. Hey, back off, so get the fuck out in the comments, bro. This shit is not snitching, bro. And bitches already dead date time for this shit, bro. It's facts. Big facts. So you were already known as black as a little kid, but these OGs and all these kids saw something in you because they said this is going to get you rich. So and that was your intention from the top, because I want to get out of everything. But it wasn't just to like go buy some sneakers. I don't know, just to get the fuck out of you. And I'm leaving my mom right where the fuck she said it. That was your attitude, man. Who could blame you? Who could blame you? All right, so how old were you when you first got put on with, you know, whatever? 11. Yeah. He gave me, I gave him like 30 bucks, he gave him like five rocks in a place of bed. And that's how they sold crack. So you had a big, you had a big piece of crack and then you popped in a half, and then you had $2, $10 pieces of crack. So I bought a big piece for 10, popping in a half, now it's worth 20. Double up. Double up. What we call them slugs back then, you know what I mean, sometimes if the slugs was big enough or they would show you enough love, you could really get, you could hit them two or three times and get 30 to 40, you know what I mean, or you could really pop them in half and just sell them for 20. It just depending on how your motion was and what area you was at. So how does an 11 year old kid like, like how were you able to get your crack off versus like the hundreds of other kids trying to get the shit off of him? Well back then, the kids wasn't really selling the crack, they weren't. I was hanging around some head bustles, some little badass kids and shit and they uncles and older cause they had it all, you know what I'm saying, it was a high roller so they didn't really have to sell the crack. They would sell candy and shit like that, you know I was selling candy, you know I'm saying the school and shit but they really didn't have to do it because the family members already had it. I didn't have any family member. Right. And then on my mother had a little bit of old year respect cause she was on a white woman in her. So you know the older people, you know, understood that she was on the same level as them. So Jed, you know what I'm saying, look at how fun she, I remember when they would come through and like semi trucks and you holls and lift up the back and all the kids and shit would be out there waiting on the tours. They would get my mother, you know, a couple tours first, right? Not because of white superiority, not because they had anything and do a color base. Me personally looking back, it was two, one, you know, they respected, you know, just in a moment when she was and two was also probably a little bit to do with safety, you know, someone like get the shit and go and get the fuck out of the way, not get the shit because it was it started a big, you know, uproar and biceps and all this shit, you know, look cry, they be, you know, fighting and shit over what's what. Right. So would you just walk up to a dope theme and say I got it, where would they throw flying at? Yeah, they kind of like throw a client at you to see how you're going to react, type shit. And you just after a few, you know, nights, I said, I used to sneak out my mother's house. I go shut my door, my bedroom door, she meant, you know, how we eat or whatever, you know, drinking the shit she's just being on the couch, you know, the TV, we watch her, she not even watch the TV anymore. And I just go out of the back window, back then they had on, we had an old wooden house what had the lead on, the lead on weights. So when you lift the window up, the weights come down, you close the window, the weights to go up, you know, so that shit was broke. So it don't matter if you lock it or not, I know it might just end or not. You're breathing in tell a fucking lead paint. Oh, absolutely. Breathing in the spastic. All type of shit. I kind of mold, you know, because it was just wood plank floors, you know, it's in like one of the time, you could feel the cold through the floor, it ain't nothing to break that, you know. So did you understand saving money and how to, you know, how to come up, how to turn 20 into 40, 40 and 80. They kind of like did that a little bit for me, I didn't understand that right then. It wasn't until I was probably about 13 or 14, I had got with something on neighborhood, you know, guys, and we kind of rallied up and understood a little bit more, or running that time back then. I was just selling it to, you know, back then we had converse shoes was in the silk shirts with the three buttons up and then your dicky shorts. I was just really just, you know what I'm saying, just end with the style. You had cane goals back then, you had visors, you had the dicky outfits with the air brush on the back. Would have your little crew and shit where you hanging out at. That was just what I was really selling drugs for back then. Yeah, just to survive and you know, make it look like my mother wasn't broke or pulled right? You know, just keeping in with the end crop. So you had a crew at, by this point, by 13. A little later. A little later. Teenish. I don't know. Yeah. Before then, did you have to fight? Like, what? Absolutely. That shit wasn't easy. Fucking no. The first time I had a swing on a person, it was a dude named Mom, or I don't even know what the fucking dude name. Tallass fucking dude, bro. Skinny. He smoked crack, asshole crack. And then he had a pregnant ass girl from a little red girl named Sterling. Beautiful little black girl. Just absolutely amazing. But she smoked dope. But that bitch was fine. But she was pregnant. You know, more or less than that for the sake of the story that I can remember. He was just, you know, he was jealous. I was white. I had a little, you know, back in about the old geez and shit. People know. You could fought with me, but you can't fight with me too, Shlit, because they want to see how much harder I got. if they let him get out there in that water. We know when to, you know, pull him up all for him if you need it. But shit, I was probably about, I was probably about 100 pounds. I was heavy, little fat kid, 11 years old. I was probably about four, three, four, five. So I'm like, that was, I was pretty startled at 11. I was always been being my whole life. And then he came all the fucking way to my, you know, I can't get all the money in all, 'cause I had been running back and forth. 'Cause in my mind, I already know, I don't know a big homie here, I don't know if he on the block, I don't know what he doing. But I know my mind, he's somewhere around. So curbs over and then shit, he come over and then schnets my bag of crack. I'm trying to sell my crack to, you know what I'm a customer? He schnets my bag of crack when he did. I just hit him and then shit. Where he ain't no question. Just took off on him, 11 years old, not his ass out. All of my crack and his crack went up in the air. Look like just raining, fucking snowflakes. Then his girl started screaming and shit. And she started pushing on me to my wife. I do 'em like that. All the old G's on the block and then love. You know, the younger dudes who were a little bit older me like damn, bro. Blight knocked that bitch out, bro. I told you man, that cracker got hard. That cracker got hard, bro. He really knocked that motherfucker out. He over the snore. He snore, bro. Like, y'all I put that left on his head. How much time? Bitches over, y'all. He slapped him with a laugh. Let's slap him with a laugh. And then, you know after that shit, it just, man, I, man, he's a job man. It's come out the house. 12 deep. I'm talking about, bro, a stump of my ass and the concrete. I ain't even playing with me. You just, you got to grow up out that shit. You can't let 'em keep doing it. Right. You got to fight. And, and you're doing it with a bunch of crack on you. Oh, I went like a bunch back then, man. It had been 10 rocks, 15 rocks, 20 rocks. Not really doing too much back then. But it wasn't like a sophisticated the way that they sell dope. Oh, no, no sophistication at all. Can you just, you're serving, you're serving. I'm one pocket and you put your money on the pocket, right? Because that's just the cops wouldn't even come in there, though. No, not back then. We had Cagney Elacir with two white girls. And, um, they just fuck with the known neighborhoods. They're fucked with the junkies. They're fucked with a couple of like, no, real known dope, but they're not coming deep in that hood and fucking off. And then you had on the Jump Out Boys who was a green team. Yeah, Rambo, on Terrell Skinner. You had Gibson, you had Glover, you had a couple of the dudes, but again, Dane jumping, Dane coming down on this neighborhood, jumping out like that. It's a war if they do, um, you know, if they try to pull you over, you run type shit, you know, they gonna get the squad in on it. They gonna get the green team in. If you got a hot corner, you know what I mean? And off shoot of a neighborhood, they gonna run down on you. But man, how, how about that was fucking rough. I had somebody on, on YouTube when I do my podcast, BlackLiveAlounge. I had actually somebody, I don't even know the person, but they said, man, I Googled his neighborhood in the 90s. And this is what they said. Crime riddled, violent, you know, the most high crime, you know, really in history. And again, I tell people, it's not because I'm trying to portray our cellar story. These are facts. So cops weren't just going down there fucking, I know two or three o'clock in the morning. So people were getting shot and smoked and-- Uh, junkies back then, you had people robbing the taxi drivers and killing them back then, shooting them in the head and shipping them back seat. You had all, you know, the junkies that was getting robbed and shit left in the alley, you know what I mean? That shit was happening, yeah. Was it gang bangin' or was it just kind of drug dealing? Drug dealing back then. But then we had our air bowling, mic bowling. You had the bowling brothers. There was part of that very violent crime area. And again, for those of themselves in this day, the boys are at day-day time. They been convicted of this shit. This shit gone, but this is shit that people don't speak about. When you talk about, say, Pete, they don't think about, you know, the peer. They think about the college campus, bro. That shit ain't what it is, bro. And I'm not here to tell the whole word of St. Pete. You know, it was violent today. I'm just saying, man, St. Pete is not St. Pete what it was when we was growing up. When you had downtown, Marl's brothers was empty. On fucking Montgomery wards, which is empty, you know, upstairs, you know, rise and it's just gutted out. Now it's just a whole crack house. People don't understand, but now you don't even find those buildings the same. Right. Right. It was vicious and for them being the only white guy, you know, in that era and that time, it really fueled a different purpose, it fueled a different fire, it fueled a different head check mentally. I feel like it's, I get the image of, remember watching old episodes of cops, right? I get the image of a ghetto in St. Pete, you know what I mean? A bunch of black kids out on these big lawns, just run down as fuck and just crack heads everywhere. That's about what it was. But you never caught a case. That's what's so wild is you were just cowboying it. You're the only white kid in a sea of black people, right? So you're already a target standing out and you never took a pinch because I'm not leaving my neighborhood come so safe here. And when I every time I did leave my neighborhood, it's always trouble. It's always trouble. I'm the target. They not coming in the harbor there, if I could with me. But if I leave out the harbor there, it's a problem. Yeah, I'm never got on a podcast and said that I was Superman. I never got on a podcast and said I didn't get my ass well. I never got on a podcast and say they know a bitch didn't rob. I mean, no, I was talking to heavily because when you white, you're seen as weak. But again, those people who are outside of the neighborhood didn't see what I endured for 10, 12, 15 years straight. So you don't know what to fall. So when my friends are telling other people are in school, hey, listen, you gonna pick on him. I'm telling you, bitch, we trained this motherfucker in red D. This bitch is a gon, but we don't even fuck with him no more. He doesn't surpass the, we made this man until a monster, we can't control. So why the fuck you over here asking us to do something about this? Fuck with him. Fuck with him, please. They encouraging this shit, but I'm telling this man gonna tell some shit off. But they didn't lie. Because once we got it started, you know, they'll fuck with me, they'll jump with me. I get in some ass, but where did they come? So you basically weren't gladiator training for your first 12, 13 years of life in Harvard. Yeah, the Harvard at first 16 years. Yeah. 'Cause it starts in the house for my mother, or alcoholism, wanna get how we eat and shit, I want to, you know, neglect not wanting to teach. She has no education, so there's nothing to teach. And whatever free time she has, she wanna hang on the porch with her girlfriends. She don't want me around. The bitch that told me she tried to abort me. You gonna crack in the house? She doesn't give a fuck? No, she don't know. It's still a certain type of respect in that era that you care for your parent. In my head I'm talking to myself, but I'm not gonna act on what I'm telling myself. I know this bitch ain't no more fucking good. I know this bitch don't mean me well. I know this bitch ain't got no real mother fucking love for me. I can't tell her this, and I can't show her this. I gotta have respect for her. 'Til I could find myself a better man. That bitch hit me on my mouth with her car keys, bro. Y'all, y'all. I'm talking about cop back to Mexico. Understand me? Y'all, it hit me on my shit. Not all my shit loose. Goddamn. Y'all, I owe you. It's 10. They ain't the first time. Anything in the house you could throw pots, pans, broomstick. I mean, once I was sitting on the couch and she came in and she would drunk. And she started all shit. So I stood all like, man, you know, just, I don't wanna, like, own that shit, bro. Like, you drunk, man, you trippin'. And I think I did call her a bitch, not even on purpose. I was like, man, you drunk bitch, you trippin'. You know, 'cause that's just how we talk. Man, I'm gonna fuck a grad that broomstick, bro. I couldn't get out the dog gun off. I couldn't get out the dog gun. Man, that motherfucker ate my back. My, everything who wasn't face a hole, called that broomstick. She bent that bitch up all the hell. That shit a lot could bend to a blender when she would do it. 'Cause she was giving you black, parent weapons. Almost worse, actually. Yeah, probably worse. I never heard of a black kid. Yeah, man, that bitch hit me in my head when I'm on fucking pan one time. I was sitting on the table smacking. And again, I'm a kid. I don't know if the food was good. Man, that motherfucker ain't give me no one or nothing. He was smacking your mouth. 'Cause he hit you with a pan. That motherfucker here called back the massacre, by seeing his thoughts, bro. And didn't understand why. But now looking back, that's the only thing could have triggered her to do that. I don't know what I'm saying. Did she, was she mad at you for the way you spoke? She was mad at herself and me. I don't think she understood why she was mad at herself. I don't think she, I think she had shit inside her that she never healed from her dealt with. So it's sucking out on me. Because you can't blame me 'cause you broke me here. But she wasn't talking with the black swag that you had. No, she was already grown, very grown. I think maybe on 30s, maybe at that time. You know what I'm saying, she didn't date black men. She didn't believe in mixing the races and all that. That was a huge problem when she called me kissing the first black girl. Right, 'cause you've been into black girls since John. Right. I don't have a choice. Fuck I ain't gay. I don't want a black dig. I want me some hair. I want me some puzzle. I want to find a little black shit there. For sure. Y'all. But she didn't like that. She didn't like that. But she chose to lift. That's what I'm saying. I how what the fuck is you going with the education? You can't pitch me shit. You know what the fuck you look like in front of me? And I'm telling myself this. In the same voice that I have today, I had that same voice in my hair, broke grown. It's fucked. So you, in your mind, you're like, fuck this bitch. Yeah. I'm getting the fuck out of here. I got to get the fuck out of here. Where she sit? This shit ain't neat. Did you have, did you get girls? Did girls like you? I was fat. I was fat and chubby with glasses. All my clothes came from family dogs. She didn't know what a takin' to get a haircut. She didn't know how to take care of a little boy, a man. She didn't know how to do it. - But did you always have like a mouthpiece? Like the way you speak now and carry yourself? - Not your fun out of her. - Right. - But in front of school teachers, police officers, friends. - Yes. - Yeah, the neighborhood. When did you develop that? Was that through selling crack? 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Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. - Do you finish high school? - I graduated high school in 1998, I believe. - Okay, so you made it through. - I did make it through. - But you're like a crack. You're like a mini-king pin. - But I just knew that me sitting down and actually watching everybody, everybody had the same thing, had the same aspect, but what they didn't have was education. I knew that was the only thing that was going to separate me from them, was me, I'm telling you that I did education, trying to figure out where I'm going to go with all the money that I got. - For sure. - That's the only thing that's going to separate. We all had cause, bitches, I got all crack, money, jury. Everybody had the same thing, a house that got home too, but what nobody really had and wasn't focused on was the education. And I just knew that was going to keep me from this shit hill. - Yeah. - Keep in the money is everything. - It's the only thing, even in the legit world. - Even in the legit world is absolutely way different than the crack game. The money is no comparison. Today's economy, the taxes, like my personal business, black labor services, the black trucks, my profit margin is barely even there anymore. Just because of the liability taxes, the insurance, the employee insurance, dry cleaning on uniforms, fuel, the detail of the vehicle, they got to raise the price because the price of water and chemicals and the shipping from China is fucking the string. You know, I could push the black trucks all day long. The most perfect show for you could ever think of it then. You're like, my resume is impeccable. I'm like, I can't charge people $15,000 for a five-hour ride. It's never gonna happen. I don't care how good I am. I don't care how great the business is. I don't care what the fuck my black labor brand is. It would never be a $15,000 ride for five hours. I have to keep you in the market price. I'm going to lose. But what happens is the more people are aware of the services that I offer with the constant base, I tend to make a little money. Birthdays, the girls love the black trucks on the birthdays. Graduation, homecoming, proms, or airport shuttles back and forth. Girls night out, guys night out, date night, you and your spouse, you know, want to get in the truck and hang out and drink and not be bothered. You want to leave the comfort of your home without leaving your home. And that's what I provide to the people who understand what luxury transportation is. It doesn't mind spending a couple extra $100 to make sure you are safe. Make sure that your image and brand is what you want it to be and make sure that no secret is told, which is a confidentiality what goes on in this black truck. You know, so do you think you learned customer service from the dope game? Or is there no crossover? There's huge crossover. It's the same. I really, I have a distasteful liking mentally for what corporate America does that could be the feelings like myself. For those who run, product gamble, for those who run Johnson, for those who run Sprite and all these different bush beer and hyzer Pepsi, Coca-Cola, you would want somebody like me to run your company. And it's not the conviction. It's because I've already been brand a multi-million dollar operation at 17, 18 years old. I was convicted as an entrepreneur and did 15 years behind the mindset that I have. And then you look at me and say, well, we don't want to hire you not even to be a degenerate because you're convicted, fellas. Do you know I can run your company better than you? Do you know I know about profit margin? Do you know I know about customer base? Do you know I know about competition? Do you know how hard it is to sell crack at 12 years old? And you mean to tell me that your degree separates me from you? Do you know what separates that degree? Do you know what that degree would never be? I got a friend who has a friend. A guy who knows a guy will always be that degree. And loyalty. You did 15 and didn't open your mouth. I want to be a loyal CEO or whatever. There's no trade in the secret. There's no telling. We have a business to run. We have money to get. If you pay me my worth, I will show you something that you never thought of. I think the hardest thing for people that we're successful in the drug game is going into business and accepting that it's not going to be a 50% profit margin. I'm not going to make $30,000 in a day, usually. But I think you got up to that level by the time you were before the feds took you out. Absolutely. You guys were making money. So at what age did you go from just loose cracks? I'm just buying dickies and spray paint in my shirt and starting to fuck with the bitches too. OK, we're going to turn this into like a fucking enterprise. 16. 16. Absolutely. Some things happen in the wash. For the respect of the families who were involved when I speak on these podcasts, they asked me not to speak about some things. So I'll keep it, you know, g and peaceful and respectful for those who-- for the story that I tell that bothers them. And they have a right to. Validate, absolutely. I don't want to disrespect them any kind of way. Yeah, some things got fucked up. Some things got misconcrued. People got shot. Yeah. To say the least, you know what? It's kidnapped and bald. It's death, it's murder, it's mayhem. Violence, it's a perpetual or continuance of what surround you being in a very volatile game, which is the crack game. Well, that shit was like-- I mean, it blows my mind like in the '90s that was still going on. Like people getting straight up kidnapped. You got kidnapped. I did. I did. I'm going to talk about that. OK, a little bit, you know. Tab it, you know what I'm saying? We could touch a little base on it, you know? But it's just part of the game. You know, I think I'm hot shit. You know, I'm in a neighborhood where I don't belong. I'm in an area of the city where I don't belong. And, you know, a few dudes run down on me. You know, put me in a backseat of a car. And that's down on me in the house, you know what I mean? And back then, you know, so they calling up your crew, asking for money. They're calling up my partner. They know who my right hand man is. You know, it was easy for us, you know, to get a hold of each other today. But then it was crazy to the industry. You got to get through. People don't even want you to even talk to them. You can't DM them. You can't call them. They don't want you with their managers. If it's crazy shit to wear, but back then, it wasn't like that. You had direct contact. You know the fuck to get on that phone with when you need it. OK, so how-- and before the cell phone era, and you, your kid naped, how does the crew get a hold of your-- That was a cell phone era. Because you had cell phones in. I want to say, 1998. We had the Nokia flip down back then. Then we had the Motorola Chirping. Then we had, it was the gold and the wood and like, a flip down Motorola phone like back then. But people wasn't-- we had the cell phones. Not everybody had one, you know what I mean? They had the fucking antennae that pulled a bitch out. And, you know what I'm saying, talk on it. So, you know, it was, I won't say 98 or 99 when we got cell phones. I can't remember the date, but-- So, they was able to get a hold of them. And that time, they didn't tie me up again. Like, I don't know why. I guess they thought that the gun that they was holding on me was going to be suffice. And back then, like, man, my partner's who was running with me, they taught me something. And it was like, listen, like, you know, we from the show, the air like, but you got to make me a believer if you kick this dough in and you don't shoot me but you're going to get in your ass. But if you kick this dough in and you shoot me you can have everything in this bitch because you mean business. But if you come in this bitch and just tell my man lay down and give it up, man, I'm full of, we're going to fight till the death for it because you don't mean what you mean, you scared to me. And that's what I would have been told. You see? So if you pull a kick door, if you're running off and somebody shoot about a shoot that ass, bro, because if not you got to understand the day, you got the same mentality that you do because it's the same error in the same city. If you don't shoot me bitch, I'm going to get on your ass. So when you pull that kick door, the first thing you better do is shoot the first bitch you see. Come on, make you believe because I came in here and I mean business. I want everything in this month. I came to take everything to include your life and need. Be nice, shot your pussy, lay the fuck down. Let me get my shit in the lead unless you want it to be a homicide. But if you kick that dough in and you tell my lady, I don't understand that because these dudes, I grew up with way more bitches than me. You know, it's that one I'm saying. So shit. So there's never just an arm robbery. It's an arm robbery plus a humming. Yeah, you better be something. You better hit a bitch in the head with that pistol or something, knock some teeth out or something. Yeah. So when they kidnapped you, they didn't do that. Oh, if all of them kidnapped me, you know, help me out gun and shit. And then they took me to the house. They walked around the house and shit, I'm in this house sitting on the fucking couch or whatever. They ended up leaving and you know, they call them a part of the come up with like 60,000 hours and ransom again. I don't know why could people be like, "Oh, why was it in me? Why? Why?" Bitch, I don't know. Bitch, we kids. Bitch, I don't know why the fuck the people only want to say. Bitch, I didn't rob myself. Mother fuck that like, make this like the people in the comments be the worst mother fuck. And then why would you? They broke into my life. Indeed, bro, they even never even grew up without Wi-Fi. So they can't fathom a ring camera, a drone, no, that never happened. It's always hit. So it's crazy with these fucking comments. But it's always the people that have never really lived anything or known anybody that are like, "That can't happen." Okay, it can happen. No, no way. That never happens. You've never left the house. So they left the one dude there. He had a 38 back then, which is known as that murder. It's called the marker. And that's what it is. The murder is a 38 special. That bitch ain't got no kick back on it, you know what I mean? So they called my partner. My partner told him, he's gonna come to 60 grand. He had it. They was all supposed to meet at the same house at the same time. The dudes, the other three dudes, it was four. I don't know why the fuck they left. I don't have a motherfucker. I don't know, bro. I don't have the fucking answer to everybody. Look for in the comments. So the dude showed up and everybody showed up with him. So the dude was outgunning out of him when they came in that bitch. Everybody was shooting. I ran out of the back door, talking to co-fins, ran to the main road. So your partner's what came through with the ransom money? No, never had the ransom. Okay. Yeah, they just like, "Yeah, yeah, we got to yeah, don't fuck with him." Like we got the money. We got whole time ain't no money. Then then boys coming for blood. Then boys coming to murder. Then boys ain't playing. Because it wasn't just I was a friend and we all family at this point. We are them being through the shit. Our mother's on the same level. We on the same level. They struggle to strike us pain. They're starvation. That's what I was saying. So did you jump out of the window before they busted in and started shooting? Or kind of like same time. Okay. Like I already know when they call him, I know we think of like, we like them to like twins. This my boy got two, you got two life sentences plus 25. Who's that? I can't speak about them. Can you say it's them? No. No. Okay. I can't say it. Got it. But he was like your your right hand. Yes. Okay. The family has been to no longer speak about him. But his legacy still lives on in my world, in my mind. I wish I could do for him more than I can. You know, he's locked up somewhere in the system. I'm in contact with his little brother. I mean, his little brother real good friend. So, you know, if he needs something or something like that, you know what I'm saying? Well, I'm able to, you know, or facilitate it. But he's still a really good friend of mine. You know, I'm in contact as much as I can. I still love him like a brother. Really good dude. Mine for whatever the fuck he did, you know, whatever happened. I'm not here to judge nobody. But he like, I want to keep his legacy going because of what he how he protected me and what he did for me. He was more than a friend. He was more he wanted above and beyond to make sure that my safety and my friendship was value. Well, look what he did. I mean, that's and we don't have that type of loyalty anymore. That that type of world doesn't exist. You know, so whatever the family asks me to do, I want to make sure I'm in line with the family's request. Can I ask you, did he go away when you eventually caught your fed case over the dope? Did he go down in that and David? I don't really want to. That's okay. So as well as I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say this, there was something more prevalent than our case. There was holding him to where they had to separate what was separated and what they needed to do to do what they needed to do. That makes sense. We're off doing all day. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. Did any, were there any murders homicides linked to that incident when they came to rescue you? Did anybody die? Did anybody get killed? Oh, somebody got shot and it was taken to be front. And it was what? They were taking the Bayfront Medical Center on six streets south in St. Petersburg. Okay, they rushed to the hospital. Did they make it? Yeah. Okay. So all as well as ends as well. I guess so, but you know, after that, it started a whole another, you know, so that that started a fucking. Yeah. So basically it was just neighborhoods beef and against neighborhoods, right? Exactly. We don't have gangs. We don't have bluffs. We don't have crypts. We don't have vice laws. We don't have GDs. We don't have that type of room. Okay, we don't have colors. It's just neighborhood loyalty back then, right? You know, you grew up in this neighborhood, your Lord's of this neighborhood. This is your friends. And I can remember even back then, like we would like, you know, tell the girls, you know, like you can't date our side of this neighborhood. Like bitch, you have to pick somebody right here, bitch. You're not going to know well out of this neighborhood. You know, you got to remember back then, my all listen's like back ugly. You know, we ain't really growing to who we are. And shit. So we all been telling the girls, like listen, you ain't going across that road. You better pick somebody out here and get your little shit together, girl, because this is what we don't want. Yeah, we're going grow up here. We're going to live here. We're going to love here. We're going to fight here. We're going to fuck here. That's what it is. Girls loving you telling that. Right, right? Oh, love it. You know, it's a problem. You know, we're across some tracks and whatever. It's okay. So the people, so they would, if other neighborhoods would try to press into your, your territory, like trying to take, trying to take your customers or just mindless, mindless. Yeah. They're trying to come into the store, you know, and just like, you know, you just around the best thing I did, you know, going to another neighborhood. I'm thirsty. So I just put them to the fucking store like shady side or snacks. That was the two biggest stores that we couldn't really go to. But, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm big, big Willie. You know, I'm going to the motherfuckers store anyway. I'm going to prove a point. Shit. High proof of point where you ask out of him for that point. We got something that is the same thing we did. Our store was easy stop. You know, I'm saying it, you know, they'll come over there from our earn. They'll come over there, you know, from 34th Street or early in the morning, whatever later than I trying to creep in the canal. No, sir, we're going to tell every motherfucker chip aisle up in this bitch, but you're back. Yeah. So it wasn't just drug dealing. I mean, that's, that's what you guys hit, but it was all kinds of violent crime. People getting thrown out. We got one of the most infamous lakes known in Florida. It's called Lake McGorough. And since then, they cleaned Lake McGorough up here in recently and just kind of giving an idea. And, um, you know, God bless and rest rest and peace for the family that happened to. But, um, this young guy, he, uh, he stabbed a young woman in St. Petersburg and he ended up taking their child and throwing a child on Lake McGorough. So they were looking for the child and the child, the two or three-year-old son was actually found in alligator's mouth. This is recently. So I'm just trying to get you to understand. This is even after they cleaned that area. Oh, so they used to, that used to be our dead pimping, right, the body dumping. Would you dump the guns there too? Or you had enough of that? Yeah, sometimes, yeah, cell phones, you know, cars, all type of shit going to, right. Oh, these are the access. So was it like, uh, did you guys have it down to where it's like, okay, we're going to steal a car, go do the shooting, go dump the gun. Like, was it that thought out? Or was the beef just kind of like on site? I said, well, where the fucking cracked it. Like, you know, if you, if you, if you think about pre-meditation, I can't really recall where we were still in a car to go do something like that. Like you might do South Central, right? We're going to steal the cars and shooting, but she was on site. Uh-huh. When it went up, fuck, we see where the fuck we catch you. Fuck a car. Fuck a tag. You got to remember there's no drones. There's no flock cameras. There's no red light cameras. There's no surveillance cameras. There's no ring cameras. There's nothing fucking going on. Nothing. There's no recording device. And then, you know, you got to figure about in the south side, bitch, everybody scared. The junkies want to get high and the people who do want to go to work, want to go to work. And they got kids in these schools and they were a bitch ain't telling. Well, fuck a shit bitch scared. But we not, and this one, I tell you like, we're not doing this on purpose, bro. We're not scaring the people on purpose. We're not horrific. Kee is like, like, bitch, going to house. We're not doing that, bro. We just caught the fuck up, bro. We just caught the fuck up. And then you would go to high school. You might have shot at some fools, might have hit somebody, and then you're in math class. Right. You got a pocket full of money? Absolutely. I could remember at 16th Street Middle School, buying, um, they had, um, I don't say canteen, commissary, what the fuck? Consessor's thing. That's what they have back then. They serve pickles, pizza, bag chips and stuff. I go in and buy everybody who in line. Like I would cause a whole not just me buying a couple partners too. We'll buy all the kids down those pieces. these slice was a dollar. Man, we in this bitch can't get the money out. The bitch that we fighting, jewelry rings and shit, we cade the little 10 karat gold rings, we're like Queen Latifun, the little diamond head Jesus and the little dollar sign. We had all that shit, can't get the money out. Trying to rip out and it just the kid, the little girls in that bitch laughing and giggling this shit. You guys are like middle school king pens. You feel like, you feel like you're like Mafiosos on the neighborhood. Yes, but I wasn't equated to that thought in that mind. We just kids with someone. We're not even dope boys shit. We just some kids who just, man, we just, fucking e-hole having our way. It's hanging out, you know? So I think you guys moved up to keys, y'all. Very, 16. That was when you got your first brick. And essence, we did like, we was looking for a brick and one of the guys only sold us like a quarter of a brick because he thought we, you know, we kids. They knew us to be kids, been on our minds, we not kids. But they used to just think like we were just boys shit. Like we didn't have the money. And then the quarter key or half key that was selling us were fucking price two times over what the fuck a real key was. But we ain't nowhere else to get today. We had shit to do, we had people to see. We had beans to feed. Today's episode is sponsored by Superpower. Let's be real for a second. Most of us walk out of a regular checkup at the doctor with nothing useful and nothing resolved. They check a handful of numbers, say you're fine, and then send you on your way. You're still guessing about your energy, recovery, and what you should actually be doing for your health. 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Head over to superpower.com and use code Connect for $50 off. And after you sign up, they'll ask you how you heard about Superpower, do as a huge personal favor and tell them that we sent you. Thank you, Superpower. Okay, so what did that, what did the traffic look like? If you got a half a key and now you're stretching it and cooking it, what does that bring back? Like how many vials of crack? What does that look like? And then what are your spots like? Where are you serving? Um, back then I want to say probably about 16 and a half, half a key, bro. Back then, nine. Probably, probably something like that. 'Cause if a bird is like, I don't know, 13, paying more if it's a half. Yeah, 36, cut that in half, I'll make a quarter out of that. I knew we was more than doubling our money. That I do know, you know what I'm saying? And then when we turned about 17, is when we really fucked the game, what was probably about 17 and a half leading in the 18, because I remember the time 'cause when I got busted, was right after the big takeover. And what they was doing back then, it was, um, they were selling, so 28 grams of the ounce on the scale, a crack. What they were doing was they was taking 26 grams of crack, putting it on the scale, then putting it in the baggie, right? I made it 27 grams. They were selling that for $1200, calling it an ounce. It's not an ounce. So by the time we already had our connect down it, you know, Miami with a shower pasta, and she'd just make a shower pasta. She was coming up, we was fucking up the game, 'cause C. Murtle taught me and Derek. I could say his name, God bless the dead. D. Lane, um, who was Rod Wave's uncle. And, um, he was one of my closest friends in the game. And, you know, he had since passed, but, um, you know, he went on to do great things. He was in the feds with us and everything. And when he came on, he went on a good, you know, good things with Rod Wave. But, fuck, man, he taught us how to cook crack. He taught us when we got our car at the custom shop. Like, he was sitting in my passenger seat, and I'm driving. No 10 on his, I had a box Chevy back then. I had no 10 on the window. And he would tell, I'm coming down 18th Avenue. And he would take the wheel. He, D. Lane, well, Rod Wave, uncle. God bless the dead. He would take my wheel and be like, swerve on him, black swerve on him. Like, just get in front of him. And I'd be like, you know, like, what? And he just wouldn't take the wheel. Man, swerve on him, black swerve on him. So I get in front of the door. And then he would tell me, man, cut the wheel back and get back in your lane. I could remember those days. He taught us how to cook. Then I had my partner C. Murtle, he taught. So what they in them doing is showing us how to stretch the door with the baking soda and shit. So what we started doing was that 26 grams was 1200 in the street. We going out here getting his work coming back whipping it up. Now we sent him 52 grams for $900. Kill 'em, take it, bro. I took everything. That took the whole game out, bro. That shit changed everything. When I was talking about violence, that shit came with a lot of violence. That shit came with a lot of structure from my crew. That shit came with a lot of generalization when you go back to talking about customer service. We can talk about competition. We can talk about profit margin. When you talk about understanding your product, you understand? Like that shit took a whole world of its own, bro. We couldn't even keep that shit. So you saw ounces, full ounces, no, 52 grams. So almost, you saw almost two ounces. There were no two ounces. For less of one ounce on the street. Yep. And how did you first meet your connect of Miami? I met him on Humboldt. He was with a friend of mine's girl. They were all together in the crack house. And I was really going over the fuck with him because we all was going to school that morning. Bro, I was like six in the morning. I didn't even know none of this shit was going on. So I just popped up in the house. Man, he was in the, he looked back. He kept looking back at me and I kept looking at him. But they got a lot of money on the tape. And I don't really know what was being exchanged and what was going on. But it's my little partner, I fucked with him whatever. And then the deal was like, my who the fuck are you? I'm like, bro, you get your man's, bro. Because at this time, me and my man, we equal. But he ain't no bigger than me, ain't no bigger than him. But we understand, we men. Like, bro, get your partner for this fuck shit. Go down now. So he was like, no, that's my partner. Black or whatever case may be. And he looking at me and I'm looking at him. He was like, black, fucking white dude, ain't black. Got a chuckle, I said, yeah, but don't take that too lightly. He was like, man, what the fuck that post of me? I said, I don't know, have you gonna take it? I just don't take it too lightly, because you laughing, bro. So he was like, um, he told his partner, man, I like him. I don't know why he said he liked me. But a lot of people misunderstand me because I was white, but I had a heart. I had a big heart. I'm trying every, I'm going on. Everything is trying me. I'm trying to do the shit 10 times hard, of course. I got something to prove. I'm talking to my eye, I got something to prove. I don't give a fuck by none of that shit you rapping my partner. You're not giving an inch. Not an inch. Because if I did, I already suffered so much by giving an inch, by apologizing, by getting slapped in the face and say, oh my god, what did I do? What did I do? What I fuck what I did? Check this shit out. You're feeling that shit dead? I don't go fuck what I did, but you ain't going to do it. And there was nobody else in this motherfucker than I meant that. And I stood on it. They ain't need nobody to back that. Because I already proved a point, not just in my hood, but outside the hood. So he was like, man, I like him. And then after that, me and him started talking this shit. And I was asking you know who to do was. I can't really remember exactly how the shit went. But we ended up going down to Miami together and meeting to do the game. And then he was like, oh, I remember your partner. He was like, why y'all be so stuck on his white boy? I was stuck with the white boy. And these are the Jamaicans in Miami. There was Puerto Rican, Dominican, Jamaican. You know, it was a cluster of them. You know, there just wasn't Jamaican. I can't believe nobody from the hood had gone down to my four-hour south to get a wholesale price. Well, see, that was doing that. So what happened was, I'm seeing murder was back and forth between Miami and Fort Maas. And then like one of the managers did them. They was coming from Fort Maas bringing the work up. So we just knew it was down south, but we just didn't know where and how. It would only be important time if you do anything in the industry, you're going to find the where and how. You know, so that's just how the shit went. And so they put you down with whole keys. Whole keys. Back then, it was getting to keep it like 12,000, 14,000. One or two, I can't really remember, but it was not quite expensive. It was affordable, but yeah. 12, 14 Gs, 36 ounces. And then you take that powder. And what does that look like when you cook it up? How many do you have? I have 52 grand, but I don't even, there are circles all over the fucking house, bro. There are circles, fans, ventilation. People who, again, don't understand when I say 15 shoves. And I'm going to say this on the record. I could have misplaced whether it was 12 or 15 on the one house, when I say that, people say it's impossible. I got 30-year-old electricians trying to debunk when I'm telling them. OK, OK, for people who don't know, tell us about the crack house. So this is what it is. So I have. had a big house on the corner, right? In front of my house is the green tank. Do you know what the green tank is? The green tank is where they paint it green, and that's where the electrical comes out from the ground. So whatever day, I don't know what the fuck's in the green tank. Never open up one. I don't know, but still to this day, I don't know. But whatever is in there is from the electric company. They put, you understand what I'm saying? On the corner to run, whatever the fuck they run. So you hook a GBT chat, that shit. I don't give a fuck, but that's what the fuck. So now I had a big house, right? A big two bedroom house will meet my girl, her grandma must be the back of that. This all in the same square on the same pad of grass. Had upstairs and downstairs, right? Garage apartments. Then the house next door was vacant. So now we have four meters to lead off of in this big tank. I'm 15, 16, 17 years old. We had a couple of gray hair. That was Aubrey, Ombre, Scanamike, Balmo, and somebody else. These are all like local junkies, wizards, fucking wizards. We was getting free electric, we was getting free cable. They would take the meters out, flip them upside down, stick them back in and run them backwards. You could do all that back then, bro, the grid was way different. There's a lot of chain when you check, you know, 1995, to now, chat will explain to you exactly why it's plausible and yes, it happened, but those who try to debunk the shit, you understand what I'm saying? Everybody knows crackheads could do that shit immediately. So in today's time, my question is those who try to debunk it, do you know how much power you have to run to have a grow house in 2026? Yeah, a lot less than to cook some crack, I would think. No, way more. That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, exactly. And then it's all where you need ventilation back, then you got to figure, and then plus a lot, not every stove in these houses is being cooked on at one time. We just need the facilitation to be over to push what we needed at the time. So we might have, you know, six stoves going, you know, three in this house, three in the next house. You know, you got six, eight cookers, you know, sent people in their cookie. Okay. You have about 15 stoves at least 12 to 15 go on. See, all at once, we ain't got no big, you know, crack hit operation, like how the media try to, you know, the comments try to portray, it's just again, we're facilitating a large quantity of crack, a large quantity of cocaine. This is what's needed in this moment. This is what we have to do. Hey, I'm, like I said, I'm 60, I ain't in to my 10, so, so that links to that. And I'm going to tell the story 20 years from now. So whenever you flip that, get the fuck out of here, bro. No, no, no, no. You guys went and bought ovens. You bought a lot of stuff, brought them in and now you can be cooking up whole birds. Right. Because that's a lot of cooking a whole key takes a long time. It takes a while. It does. And then back then, how um, you know, we, we, we had the four, we were whipping and spinning, you know, into the circle and shit like that. And then sometimes it really wasn't, depending on whatever pots, sometimes back then, we was using fireworks, which is a really high grade of glass, sometimes a bust of shit like that. But I can remember spinning it on the floor, trying to get that bitch to. It's been out to why I need that bitch to stretch. I can remember all this shit, you know what I'm saying? But I learned that from, you know, see murder, he taught me a lot in the game. Again, D Lane. I mean, D Lee, uh, uh, uh, D Lane, excuse me, Derry Lane's saying the same thing like D Lane Lane. So you guys are 16 and you got some like many Carter shit, you know, New York City. Carter, many. It's many. But, you know, we shit, there's five, six of us. You know, we got shit to do. We got people to see. Where's Rocky? So off of a, off of one kilo of powder, how much when you pay, say 14 for it, what do you turn that around after you sell it, you sell it out hard? Shit, bro. You told my brother 35,000, maybe something like that. And that's selling ounce, like you're selling ounces now. You're off the corner. It is, it is between, you know, 28 to 52. Sometimes, you know, you get somebody who wants me to $250, you know, that's a quarter. Shit. Like you would serve small amounts still. Yeah. We still serve. Yeah. But the crackhead era is going for us. Now we supply in a city. Do we still have crackheads of shit we look out for, of course. Do we still have, you know, customers who come back before, of course, but it's not as strong as when we was at 13, 14 curve serving riding the bicycles, going down the Williams park, you know, coming out the pocket with the, you know, the whole 50 pack, going in your hand, letting them pick with the one they want, putting them back, you know what I'm saying? Those days are kind of over with you. Yeah. Now you're putting people on. Yeah. Put them definitely putting people on. You know, you're front and weight. Like it's just a lot of movement and how many bricks were you bringing back from Miami? Um, I think the first time we did, like, all of us bought seven and they gave us like another three or four on retirement. So you got 11 birds for 16 year old. That's like a lot of responsibility. It is. It is, but again, you gotta remember at that time, we don't know where 16 if that makes sense. It does. The, the age and the race is not playing a part like you would think how we're having a conversation today to look back. You were like, it's just normal. It's normal. It's just like this. It's absolutely normal. I would think at that error that everybody is doing is around the world. But did you feel like you were on though? Oh, absolutely. Once that lick happened, you're just like, it's, it's moving now. We're rocking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big juror, big clothes, big back then. Yeah, like the shoes, travel foxes, lottoes, British nikes, you know, different joins and shit. Going, coming back with the gold grills, with the fangs and shit on them, he ain't doing this shit. Now we went from a single ring. Now we got three ring fingers. We went from a little, you know, the little hair and bone, now bitch, we got the whole rock on us. They did. What do you see here? It's a motion. And was your crew 50, 50 all the way across? Or was it you and your partner were the, you guys, you guys, 50, 50 all the way across? So how we would do is, it might be, it might be anywhere between 6 to 8, maybe 11 people in one crack house. And then we would all take turns, like, you know, you'll get a serve, you'll get a serve, then you get a serve. And if everybody leaving, you just in the house by yourself, now you serving everybody. And that's just how the turns went. And a real crack house. If you ever been in a real crack house, you got a partner in y'all serving with three, four y'all. You get the first one. I get the second one. He gets the third one. He gets the fourth one. Then you just re-rotate. And as I go, everybody made money all night long, 50, 50 crore of the board. But you and your, so you, you guys split the profits evenly from your keys. Right. After the keys are sold. Right. Okay. And then, you know, we buying shit. We got convertibles and shit, putting paint job, 11,000 all the paint jobs, a friend of mine. Um, you know, he had a fucking race car, like, fucking 15 to 16, a legit race car. Like, fucking fuel, you know, jet fuel and shit, like, he spent some good money on it. But he is the one who in doctrine the race car era in St. Petersburg, Florida after that era. I want a race car. Wow. Yeah. Some of the fuckers are racing race cars down the street. Yeah. No, they're there. They're tubbing the shit out. Literally, like legitimate. They're taking all the extra metal off, they're taking the glass off, and they paying for this shit. And when you hit that gas, where you stuck, I'm talking about you. You is fucking glued, like a NASCAR, you know, man, this is money. Did your mom know what was going on? Not at first. Not for a while. Are you out of the house by now? You're living with your girl. I'm living with my girl at 14 years old. I'm in a smaller house on the same street, just down the street for my mother. Okay. Yeah. So, do you still go back to Sierra and give her money? Like, yes, but me and her had a huge fallout because of her boyfriend, contingently, you know, verbally be rating me, you know, calling me the N-word, calling me the wannabe's, you know, shit like that. And, you know, I would try to introduce my girl to my mother, and of course, my girl is black. They both have something to say about that, but he really, he drunk out that bush beer and shit. But he really, you know what I'm saying? A cracker. He just doing shit. For no reason. Like, I ain't tolerating that shit, bro. Yeah. I smack them up a couple of times, you know, my mother didn't like that shit. So, I was just trying to go. That's what he was a real like Southern Redneck. Yeah. Racist. No. What that flag is? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that going on. Yeah. That's a weird area of Florida, like the Tampa St. Petersburg on the one hand, because I go there a lot now. Even now, it's like, there are some cool shit about it. It does feel like a diverse and a lot of Dominican's blacks, but they do still have the Confederate shit. Like, you got good old boys there. Right. Damn. That's fucking crazy. Did other, calling you the N-word, but then did your crew use, called you the N-word? Yeah. And you're throwing that around, too. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I've recently backed up because I'm so publicized now. Right. I don't want it to damage my brand, nor my image. So I try to catch myself, before I've never even heard me say it, it's that natural. You don't say one, but the internet is good and bad. For those who don't know me, and you put out the one minute clip, and the only thing you hear is me saying the N-word, you ain't seen a whole hour and a half. You don't know my background. You don't know where I came from. You don't know about the struggle. And I'm not saying the ending that equals out, either which way. But it's so much judgment that I try to make sure I'm a very respectful person, and I try to make sure I respect, I'm huge on human compatibility. I don't give a fuck about black, white, LGBTQ, I don't give a fuck. Muslim, Jew, Chris, I don't care about none of that shit. If you fuck with me, I fuck with you. If you respect me, I respect you. I don't see none of that shit. We just all human. So I try to make sure I stay in a respectful space, because not everybody is willing to accept, adapt, and appreciate the authenticity. And that's okay. I'm not here to write and rewrite nobody else's history. But coming up, it's so natural. - Right. - This never a problem. Never a problem. Even when I was in prison, we had a couple times where both white sand blacks wanted to go on in the yard and meet about me throwing the n-word around here. But they're like, "Listen, man, we gonna be here all day." What y'all wanna do? Y'all wanna tell this bitch a bear, "We can, we can." But this man, he was like, "Y'all, I don't know how to to pinpoint who he is." He don't have an identity crisis. He don't have a black sand. He don't act like shit. Man, this man is who he is. And that's who he gonna stand on. That's what he gonna be. Then if it's gonna be that, then we gonna have his back. 'Cause he get that from the area that we're from. It's a doctor and not only did we teach him, but he also, like, right, we, listen. Y'all wanna fight 'em one-on-one? Cool, but y'all ain't jumping. Shit, y'all ain't stabbing shit. That's it. Y'all wanna be, I'm telling you, you gon' lose. That motherfuckin' cracker got a Waller gate. That boy could fight. You better be prepared. But if you jump 'em, we're gonna tell them one of the motherfuckin' prisons down about 'em. When did you find out that it wasn't, I guess, technically cool as a white person to say that? - Recently. - Right, exactly. - Oh, God. - Bro, 'cause you don't own it better. You're coming up, you don't have the internet. You don't understand in the '90s your whole environment is black. - Right. - How the fuck would you know? - You wouldn't. And like I said, I wasn't checked a thousand times or prison behind it. You would think a person would be checked. A thousand times when E-Man, I'm in a all black TV room and a all black car, you know what I'm running with the Muslims. You know what I'm saying, the white people do it like it. No, but they understand that I chose. I didn't run back and forth between two different sides. I'm not a snitch. I'm not a cho-moor. Came in here on ten toes. I'm a grown-ass man and I wasn't accepted whatever happens. And if the white people, if you ask me whether they're airing, you know, airing her brotherhood, whatever they get, they don't like it 'cause they won't, you know, them with them. But at the same time, shit, if he, that's where he gon' be. And there's a race-wide, we gon' kill 'em first. And I understood all that. And there wasn't, after that initial confrontation or initiation, it wasn't too bad. You don't wanna say a little slick shit said, of course, but you know what I'm passing, you know what I tell 'em, how you doing? What's up like? And they ain't charged. He a man, he made his choice, let 'em live like that. If we get a race right, we gon' kill 'em first. But you can't come between car, you can't come over and ask for food, you can't get a phone call, we're not doing shit when you get locked up in the whole shed. I understand that 'cause that's all I know. But that's all they know 'cause you gotta remember, they been locked up 10, 12, 15 years for how you became a prison. So it's like, bro, I respect your politics. And I ain't even here trying to play both sides of the fence. I hear you, I respect you. You know what I'm looking at in your face. I clearly hear you, you know what I'm saying? I appreciate you for having this conversation and I appreciate for us to be meant to have this conversation. Well, I don't know the fucking dude. One of the biker dudes, he didn't like it, but he was cool. He was cool. He ain't like it, but he was cool. Like there was no issue, but there could have been an issue. Like I could read in his eyes. Like I would kill you white. But if we have a problem out of you, I'm gonna be the first. I could see it, but it's just like kind of like he was alright. Yeah, I feel like if you take way more shit in the free world, then in prison, 'cause motherfuckers get it, bro. I don't know, I just real recognize real, right? You know, just a word. It is what it is the day, you know what I'm saying? You know, and you've, it's not even like you earned it. I mean, you did earn it, but it's like, that's you. It's your life. You are an M word. When you get up in the morning, you know, you wash your face, you put your clothes on. That's just part of your daily routine. It's just part of my daily routine. But the internet eases so much and I have a great brand. Black label is a household brand. It's in the entertainment industry and professional bodyguard and professional private chauffer. I got a fleet of black trucks. My list of clients are all A-listers. You know what I'm saying for anywhere from their own, you know, celebrities, the artists, the athletes. Like everybody's been sent to all meaners, multi-meners, investors. So at the end of the day, my story's accepted worldwide, but that one word isn't. So if I got to remove or re-teach myself about that one word tool to get the message without me saying the message that I respect what y'all saying. And I'm gonna watch what I do in the future on this internet. That just shows the message that speaks volumes about the character and the length that I take to protect that brand and people they see, they see it. - And plus, you don't want to hurt people's feelings either. - That's not my intention. - So, absolutely not. You can clean that, you know. - Right. - And it's like, I don't want black people to feel. - I don't want all black people to feel. That's what white dudes tell the joke. He was like, you know, he was on state. It was funny and shit. He was like, you know, I like black people and just for my white people, you know, you can't use the N word around me just then in third. And he was like, but when you get called the N word by a black person, that shit feels so good. But I understood the joke. - It was funny to say everybody laughed, but it makes sense. But let it-- - Is that my joke? - I see my speech. - There's a whole white dude with some glasses on his face. - Oh, okay. - You know what I'm saying? - It was pretty funny. But I said I said this, let it come to you. You don't have to go to here. You feel mixed. - Let it come to you, champ. - It's like a girl. - You're moving a check. Just let her come to you. Don't let her come to you. - Right. Don't be so desperate. - So you had women and you're dating these, these, you know, girls from neighborhood. And I don't know, man. It's such a fucking crazy thing. And where you know now, in your section of St.Pete, is like, he's the man, black blew up. - I had a man, Jiggevelle, OG Jiggelle podcast. The one minute clip, I said about 12 million views. No shock value, no cars, no money, no women and bikinis. Just me and her conversation. It's crazy to relate that particular conversation to what we're doing now, because he said the same thing. He was like, bragging a lot to have to sit down. He sounds apprehensive at first, but shit, you get the pass from me. Well, I'm not looking for a pass, bro. You feel what I'm saying? I'm not looking to be accepted. I am who I am. I've been like this. And I'm not saying he was wrong or right, but in the comments, people say, I'm invited to the cookout or I get the pass. I'm just me. I'm offending this high guy created me. I came up in a fucked up era and a fucked up time. Had I been over the chose what uterus, I was attached to it absolutely when that motherfucker. It had I been over to dictate which way I needed to go in life. It would be in a CEO of Prologam or CEO of Johnson and John. It wouldn't be CEO of Crack Air. No, nobody wants that. Nobody, I spun 15 years in prison. It set my life so far back, still to the dead, that mistake I made at 1670. It still affects me two day at this podcast right now. It still affects me. Yeah. Do you think you guys were doing it the biggest in St. Petersburg? In our era, yes. Not the biggest, but you know, back then you had a 1996 Microsoft case where Eric went. You know, he's still elusive whatever the case may be. What was that? What case was that? Microsoft case? I never heard of that. Yeah, this is one of the biggest. So you had jet lean on one of the man. And after them, after they left, you had Eric blew in the crew. Then you had Mike Bowler, Eric Bowler. Then you had around the same time like Tara Lee and Robert Lair. Then you had a couple of other small crews. And then right after that, then you had us, which is the offset from the Microsoft case. We was a new millennium case. And then after that, you had the ex-con case. And these are all fat cases. These all fat cases. It's just crack. It's all crack. St. Petersburg floor. And guns. Right. And again, for those who saw a snitch, I'll talk to my these boys, I heard men saying it's gone bitch. I'm talking about it. I'm dead. The time came home. We had obesity. Them case. Like all these boys. Like I mentioned, they names because they part of the crack air. They part of my story. They're part of my era. They they part of that black entrepreneur. Without jet, Lee, without one of the man without Peter Clark, without chief, without mister, without, you know, these people and not have black entrepreneurship in St. Petersburg floor that had it not been for them. We wouldn't have that today. It was because those leaders of the times were those leaders who was, you know, part of Congress, on part of the council members and, you know, family members and stuff like who grew up who understand how important it is to have black entrepreneurship in St. Petersburg when, you know, it's ran back then around, you know, white council members back then we had officer Kurt Singer. He was running for the government or something like that. They ain't a running amount of time 'cause you were so racist. So we just wouldn't have that today. We wouldn't have that liberation. We wouldn't have that freedom in our community had it not been for those four fathers, you know, because of the money, because of the intelligence, because of the CEO attitude and attitude and what it took to get where you needed to be. So now we have the offshoot and those, you know, who are in, you know, council members who are in our city, you know, the black police officers, you know, the mayor and shit like that. We went ahead and, I'm telling you, we went ahead. - Wow, yeah. - And that was the crack, that was the crack dealers. - Right. - In a way past that culture on to where now it's more inclusive. - Absolutely. - When you guys started to make real money, like big money, did the violence go away? - No, it increased. - Fuck. - It increased. - Why? - Because people at jealous. - Yeah. - 'Cause we took away the plane. They selling 28 for 12. 52 for 900. - Come see me, bitch. - Come see me. - I'm out of do it every time. I'm out of do it every time. Even if you brought me shit, 850, 875, I take that. - I ain't crying, we make a handle for 5. - Okay, so you have people from other neighborhoods coming out to you, coming to see you? - Yeah, that's cool, it was business. We can't just sell to each other. - No, I know, but I met like jealous crews coming out to you trying to, like-- - Yeah, they'll try to fight us in the club and shit. They don't say the money didn't, the money didn't protect us, it made us more vulnerable in the streets, you know, everybody wanted. - Did you get your door kicked in? Did you get robbed? - Yeah. - Was this when you got kidnapped or was this before? - That's all during the same process. I came to my, one of my trip houses in the side door was kicked in. All the product was gone and money was gone. So whoever did it left me a dollar. Left me a dollar, bro. - I had to be on purpose. - Hey, it was on purpose. - It was on purpose. I was mad as fuck, but you know, it was part of the game. - How much did you lose on that? - Say probably, it was an easy leak, probably nine, 12,000. - Oh, it's nothing. - Yeah, it's nothing, but you know, it's still an easy leak for those who wanted it. - And your, your connect stayed the Miami boys, or the Miami connect was to connect the whole time. - On Jamaican shop. - Wait, wait, wait. - So what happened with that was is I got a little smart. So they wanted the money back within two weeks. So the deal is all right. So what I would do is we already had their money set aside, although we had our product. We knew I'm poor and didn't get that money back to 'em. Not 'cause fear of violence and shit. We just always want to do good business. Like, that's why I wanted to find out how I was gonna re-invent my name and make it into a household name 15 years later. And I did that shit hard to do, but I did it because of the name, Blake, it's so structured. It has so much reputation. It has so much integrity behind it. I can't get rid of this name. It carries heavy weight. So, back then what I ended up doing was like the OG's, like seeing murder them on all shoes from Jet Leigh. There was on 16th Street in 18th Avenue at J.A. Don't call wash. The street of Middle East, where they had a mechanic shop, Phillips mechanic shop. That's where all the weight was being held. And then behind it was Prescott Street. Then you had, that's where all the heavy weight was being held back there. - Like in different houses? - Yeah, different houses. The shop, the car, shop, the mechanic shop. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, so your paying business owners and people. - No, they owned all that. What I would do is, back then you couldn't be white and go there, period. So, I would take my partner and we would go together. And what I would do instead of giving the Jamaican shower pasta back, they'd money. For me, I just understood to be dead money. Yes, they front us, yes, we owed them. But if I could get two more weeks out of this, I could take their money, take it to my partner over here who has weight, buy that weight, bring it back. Cook it up. Now, I got his money and more money. If I could do this twice and keep him on the limb, you understand what I'm saying? But they know we coming back. So, I ain't up just taking their money, flipping that money, getting more money. That's how I already knew when you talk about capital gains, when you talk about running a multi-million dollar corporation, you talk about being a CEO. It's moves at 16, 17 years old. The debt college is never going to teach you. So, when I say it's more important to know a guy who knows a guy and gets you further than any degree that you could never have. But they criticize me for being a big developing in America and they won't let me in that field. So, you always wanted to be moving money. Yeah. You never wanted to have huge stacks of re-up money because that could be deployed to more products. Right. That makes sense. Come on, mom, mom, it's going to have the money. Right. And you're always going to be able to move the ship. Always. But there's not always going to be the ship because there was a drop that came through in 1999. Really? And we was fucked up. Really? We was fucked up. I should have heard about them no four months. Maybe longer. Dude. Maybe longer, bro. And you're just there burning a hole. Bro. Custies are fucking just, it's torture. Torture. Torture. They used to happen in the Wii game. Oh, the Wii game. Absolutely. 'Cause it hits the summertime. And all of it. And then they got sold. Yeah. All that shit to heat. Fuck. Yeah. So there must, there was a huge bust. It sounds like, and your connects just couldn't come through. I don't really know to be honest with you. It just, it was just a drought everywhere. I don't really know exactly what caused the drought. It's just a fucking drought. Couldn't get it. And all your connects. Everybody was out. Wow. You know, they hit you with a man, man, call him back an owl. It's coming. It's not coming. It's not coming. You never went out to Cali to try to find a kitty? Oh, no. Too scared. Really? Way too scared. I'm not leaving my neighborhood, bro. When I talk about night, like, my Cadillac, when I was in middle school, at 14 years old, you know, back then, again, you didn't have registration. You didn't have to. I mean, of course, you had to have a tag, tag, tag. But it wasn't as it is now, again, we talk about the flock cameras, you know, the police rolling around 24 or something. It just didn't happen. So now I got a, I got a 1984, um, 2-door, Eduardo Cadillac. I'm driving to school with no tag on it. And I got a lot of music in it. But I'm going from my neighborhood, going through the back streets, going to 16th week, coming back home through the back streets. But I'm not just cruise and I'm right, but I'm not going to tamp in this fucking car. Yeah. Are you talking about flying in California? Bitch. Who? Not me. I feel the most safe is in my neighborhood. So you still, even when you were blowing up and you had keys and things were rocking, you just stayed protected. Yeah, my neighborhood. You grew up in. Yeah. And it really was until you started to expand finally that you went down. Right. That's the day of you thought about that? You're like, I cut a ran for a longer. I probably had a good another 24 months because we all had a pat that we wouldn't go outside of a circle. How's the first dumbass to go outside the circle? My very path. Where'd you go? I told, well, you know, we was going to open up a new chapter in Tennessee. So I told a couple of dudes to take a couple, you know, zips, I want a couple of keys up there. Then I'm getting pulled over. I don't know at the time, then, you know, right now, me then, St. Petersburg Police Department. They did the investigation and one thing lead to another DEA, you know, ATF, you know, over the, she just keeps going on from now. So they never even made it to Tennessee? No, they never made it. There's a lot of money in Tennessee. I get why you chose it. It's crazy. So when I came on from the fares, I was in a halfway house and back then, you couldn't leave the county, the state, whatever you was at, you had to stay remain locally. So I ended up meeting a girl through the call center in Tennessee, in Nashville, Tennessee. Man, she's probably one of the most beautiful women I ever seen. I just got home. I was like, my girl. Absolutely. Just, absolutely. I'm talking about my drop dead gorgeous, bro. I can't. She was so beautiful. I can't even describe the beauty she was. Like, this motherfucker is so pretty, bro. Have you ever been with a non-black girl? I've been with, you know, mixed women, Italian women, brown, shit like I've never had in actually an American ginger born, braille white girl. Keep on keeping like that. Right. You fucking say keep it like that. Keep it gold star. You know, you know what I mean? I'm trying to, you know, try to figure some shit out of the middle of the age. But I just, I think that the ideology to white women, I appeal to, but they actually like take me home and sit me down and stay there with the parents. Three years. Oh, yeah, no. That is going to call me. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. I'm going to get it. So what about that? What about that black girl you met? I ain't about Tennessee. Right. I ended up moving up there with, so now we have a condo in Tennessee, I'm still in the halfway house. I ain't supposed to be leaving this shit. So it's probably about, I want to say probably about a week as me getting ready to leave the halfway house on how should I better see her on great relationship. So I'm going to the Thornton's one day. And back then this was on Bell Road in Nashville, Tennessee, XF 53, Antioch. I never forget it. I live at the Cambridge. It's a gorgeous place. So I go to Thornton's, man, I see this fucking dude out here hanging out real, real, like he hanging out. I could tell, like, bro, he got it. So I go off fuck with him and say, man, what's up? You know, I like a car. So we get to talking shit. So he selling weed. So I'm like, shit, bro, what do you know what you're trying to do? You're like, shit, I can get whatever, you know, I can take whatever you could stand. So I met some on, I met a plug in all in the joint in the face. Some Mexican through Mexicans and all that old shit. So shit, I came home, I bought 10 pounds and two keys. So by the time I came home, bro, after 15 years in the face, I had no choice though, bro. I had no choice. I needed a car. I needed a house. I needed a glasses. I need a driver lights. I need clothes. I need a apartment. Bro, they sent me the work that you fit behind the fucking, bro, this is five something dollars an hour, bro, plus commission, man, that's not know what the fuck I need, bro. That's not preparing me, bro. Then I'm going in the goodwill and buying clothes. You know, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but God damn, bro, I'm supposed to do this shit for the next 10 years. It's not going to happen, bro. Wow. And I knew it wasn't going to happen. I ain't got nobody. There's no family home, bitch ain't no couch, ain't no aunty, ain't no grandma, ain't none of that. That shit gone. You better get your ass out here and get you some money and sit the fuck down when you do. So you had 10 pounds of weed and two bricks, two bricks of coffee when I did a fucking way to do him. It was a big ass fucking, I'm getting shot at the fucking thorns in front of me and all this shit, like a few months later, but it was a fucking huge investigation. It was all a fucking place, but you got it off though, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah. I got him off. Yeah, I mean, the girl, we was real cool. And then I was telling that story because when I came home, it's like when I first, you know, jumped off the porch and kissed the young girl when I was 12. Like I just came off the porch and started fucking with the curb but we don't have a good relationship and unarmed she in a moving mag down here the floor to with me and She and I'm getting homesick in the press So I sent her back up the Tennessee to a mom and her father's house. I've never seen her again Yeah, did she while she helped you get on your feet? Yeah, she helped me with understanding the port in the banking She helped me understand the port of Of what it was to Manage your money. She showed me the point but because she was she worked for Bank of America She was a financial accountant. So she was she was really hands-on with me my first come home How long were you moving products after you came home? Was it just that one run okay? Yeah, I just want I just need some money, but I went and didn't really want to do the shit, bro But at the 15 year and then when I came to St. Pete Nobody knew me. I was walking through the neighborhoods in the streets and trying to rekindle, you know, in the store and easy starting that thing Nobody knew me. How crazy is that it's fair everybody was gone everybody was gone There was nobody. There was no barbecue. There's no money. There was no car. There's no nothing waiting on me So where did all the the homeboys got either dad or they're locked up there? Everybody's there in prison. Yeah, I had dead more fair time and then you know moving on with their life whether it's Atlanta or You know you just did it get gentrified your name to the max. Yeah right now to this day That probably has something to do with it too people people move the way. Mm-hmm. Wow You know that um when I first came home to see you on the little white kids in my neighborhood With the earphones in the head on a skateboard fuck me up Fuck me on the side and say I really want it I was very close. I had to remind myself remind you business, bro My you you ain't here to be warning people about their own death That then people have experienced that shit, bro, but it never happened. Of course, and I of course not But I couldn't that shit fucked me up so bad to see the white people like they're walking a dog at 10 o'clock at night You know what we was doing out here at 10 o'clock at night later Yeah, your face with a been going. I had no respect because you was a woman or not. It just part of life Yeah, yeah, you saw so much violence Experience so much of it from the time you were like four years old. No way before that For my mother. Yeah. Yeah, it's what I mean. I mean I'm right two three years old two years. I remember you were a baby into the streets then Doing your own work with your crew and then you were in the feds. They had a face as that's violent the face was by you know what I mean So for people that haven't seen Your story haven't heard your story you it was a whole federal indictment based off of the guys that were bringing up your cocaine to Tennessee You sniffed it out pretty quickly or no. No, I didn't you didn't at all. Oh That was the problem the new guy The fucking new guy going to it So, um, you know again, they get into the Strange phone almost so he and I'm calling me and say you know, he was in the city whatever he was looking for some weight Like a lot like what you wanted like man. I get an ounce of song like yeah, that's cool Because that's where the average cell was right then was the ounce because that's who was pushing So you know that shit going for four five months and shit, and you know what mean we're talking and we trying to pick her out Where does dude was coming from and why the fuck he keep coming to get this weight? So I asked a man what the fuck you selling all the coke at brother like what the fuck you got going on You like all up and all clear water mom on green wood But then they had already clean green wood up, bro. You lying. I know you lying, bro So I called a partner. I said man was going on green wood He said like you know, we ain't doing that shit everybody had fell back into the apartments behind green wood into the Martin Luther King On parking shit like that my fuck is wasn't up that that stole selling dope no mom fuck no black But then I had so much shit going on in my life between the girls and my girl and you know on the kid nappens and the violence and the drugs It just lit my mind because I'm so busy with everything else. I can't focus everything on one thing You know, but it was a red flag. It was huge. So again, you know as it sort of moves along I'm hearing to sell him some major weight in them a party. He look at me and say man, where you going? I said bro, I'm gonna take this dude, you know what he's um ounces in this um SKS. You know, I brought on dudes. What's that ask ask ask us is um Like a Draco AK. It's the same thing. He's just got a SKS with a long ass clip Had you been selling guns before? Yeah, absolutely. We had a white boy named Mark. He was in them on Miller's X military He on like a biker shop or something, you know, I'm saying in the city. So everybody just know to go to mark to get everything you need it Okay, so what kind of guns did you guys how you gonna say everything you could think of the one of my most infamous guns There was an indictment was a Korean military shotgun That was one of the most infamous. This in the paperwork. This is not a mess about Yeah, that bitch has so many bumps and lumps and bruises and shit hanging out of it and muffles and so man That bitch was like an army tank green that bitch with biggest fuck head is fuck man It's the first time. I want to say if it wasn't automatic that bitch was send me I remember putting the trigger one time and like three of them bitches to come up Pull that trigger again That bitch fucking Yeah, we have some we have some fucking I had all Israel military issued a desert eagle blue series That's a great guy bro. I want a fucking best gun that huge huge fucking cannon, bro I can remember pulling that bitch one day. I'm pulling that bitch and I'm pulling that bitch that bitch I'm trying to point the motherfucker. I can't even get the bitch out longer. You know what I'm standing pulling that bitch I'm looking at this motherfucker. I'm trying to point you like god damn bitches you going cut that bitch with long and head at triangle Yeah, you gotta lift weights. Yeah, you fucking pull that out. I remember that shit. Wow Shit was wild, bro. So you guys were just asking for it. Like yeah, you like it's so much They had to get us out of neighborhood. I ain't gonna like they had they had to stop it. They had to stop it, bro Do you feel like you guys didn't have any direction the way that crack dealers in More established ghettos New York Baltimore places where you got OGs that are like no, no, you can't have all this guns with the crack with the money We were too far gone. We weren't in leave and listen to it anyways. Really Too far gone just the ego. Yeah the ego gone ego been cooked Because you got to remember what we started out is doing the shit for a purpose. We lost the purpose, bro It's just all pain. There is no purpose no more. What was the purpose to get out? We never got out We stayed we we lost focus, bro We we lost all the way around the board And then we came home they released us back into the same area Yeah, well hopes of us not doing it again. I made a post one time well recently the same thing that went viral me OG Or gigabella same Petersburg police department Comedy underneath my post and say we are so glad that he is home and doing the right thing has pain in the purpose We're so glad that he's not out here doing the same thing. We so glad. I could show it to you on my phone Same Petersburg police department. So I made that much bigger but impact on the 25 that you have a veteran Was on the force then it's on the force now. He said he's a St. Petersburg police department veteran and we're so glad That he's out here preaching the pain and the purpose and trying to make a big difference in the same community he pours and now he protects That's a huge What do you think you should have done with the money? How much money do you think you made it your height? Oh shit They hit me at my house like 250,000. I still got the on the newspaper clip in on my phone 250 g's yeah, you probably made way more. Yeah, wait because you gotta figure out that. I got all the gold. I got all the money in my girl She got literally she got 14 karat gold finger nails like I actually gold metal You know what I'm saying they ain't no plastic shit know this what the fuck she Yeah, she got the macaroni bracelets back then she got the big or excellent the biggest shit in the world Like you know what I'm saying all this gold is you have the whips we got convertibles. I got fuck a blue van I got fucking a Cadillac. I got another Cadillac. I got it's crazy guns out the head. Yeah, so you probably you probably made a million bucks Yeah, at least You made the connect a lot of money. Definitely did. I hope he sees this one day man. Give me something actually a bag. Did he stay out? I don't know. I don't know what happened. So let's finish this up because I just think it's just so rare and it's a treat, you know, cuz I talk to a lot of rats on the show You know a lot of mob guys or whatever Some drug dealers, but you This guy you're selling to back and forth he's picking up answers a crack from right right He's a fed he is is he a fed or is he working for the fed? No, he on the cova St. Petersburg police department I'll come on the cova but but he's working with the DA and ATF to bust me How many how much has he bought from you up to this point? She I don't even know bro a lot It was probably about 10 ounces or more now. Yeah, that'll do it that'll do it with the guns because 10 ounces That's 280 grams of crack. Oh my indictment or what I played out to was 50 to 500 grams of crack and then Um some other smaller charges like uh telecommunication of places Some type of money laundering broad or some shit not fraud, but it was like had something to do with Receiving money for our instruments some shit like yeah, and then um I had 11 charges on an indictment um Being up kind of pleading out how many people were on the - And then David? - I started out with 14. - So it was you, your whole crew? - Yes. - And then who else? - Just, you know, the people who just got rounded up in the trash, you know, some of the people were, you know, workers and stuff. They was off shoot. They went and just are in a circle of five or six. They were just people who just around working, you know, got caught up on phone calls and shit. - So do they have wiretaps? - Yes, on the phones. - They have you? - Yes. - Did they get guns? - They got the SKS, and then they end up charging 'cause I didn't rat. And then they end up coming back and supersede and dating me on 924C construction possession and further and super truck traffic in crime gave me five more years. 'Cause I didn't agree to rat on those who's gonna try. - That's what's fucking crazy, bro. As you should have, you had no all your fucking recklessness, all your crime, all your shooting and drug dealing and fucking pistol weapon, whatever the fuck. You had no criminal record. - No criminal record. - And now you got this huge federal indictment. So you should have done. - Like I said, you know, I tell the story. They definitely said I was facing 40 to 60. That was actually when they took me off my couch and into the federal courtroom the same hour. And then, you know, like I was telling somebody, I was like, "Oh, how you facing 40 to 60, you toe, mate." And again, I'm gonna talk about my guy. I don't know what the fuck they do. Now, I don't have a new case, bro. So I don't know what they do in 2026. But when I got knocked off, they would tell you these huge numbers, too scared you, it's theatrical. The judges way up here, you got all these people in the courtroom you never seen, you got the DA in the suit and tie. You got the fucking DA who just knocked you off. And now you got a jacket on telling the judge about all the violence shit you done dead. And then, you know, they say, you know, you're looking at 40 to 60. And when I tell that story, people are like, "Oh, you got sentenced to 40 to 60, you fucking rat." Listen to the story, dumbass. This is what the fuck they was doing to scare you to get, 'cause the next thing they do when they pull you in the back and handcuffs, they say, "Hey, you know what I'm saying? You in the face of 40 to 60, we're gonna get your chance." So you know, work that time off, we're gonna get you down with sentenced to a count. It's all fucking with your mind, but you just got knocked off. You don't know what the fuck to believe or think, bro. So I just think for those, like you said, the best who've never ever been faced or any federal courtroom for you to get on a platform or to comment on the shit that you'll never experience on a day of life, you just, you oblivious. - Yeah. - Yeah. So did they want your connect in Miami? And they knew you guys were going down there to pick up, right? - Yes. - So it wouldn't have been good enough for you and all your codies to just tell each other. Would you have done that? - No. - Fuck no. - 'Cause I'm just thinking from a lawyer now, and I'm trying to get my clients the best time. If everybody's on the indictment, why don't we all just say we all sold to each other and that have that count as cooperation and then we all get time cuts. - Well, I think because the weight of the amount of the crack and back then it was a war on drugs. And that just wasn't really a war on crack as one to 100. - Right. - So that was fucking interesting. - So it's more than one crack last year. - It just didn't want all that weight. You even want to be talking about what you did. - Yeah. - Fuck no, that's why I just want to plead. Whatever you say, you got me. What I can understand in my mind is see me on camera and what that weight is and know what I saw. I want to plead out to what the fuck you got, I got caught with. Nothing else to do with nothing else. And that's how I was able to plead on it. And you got to figure out first time offender. There's no criminal record, you know, shit like that. And then by the time you get through, you accept your plea, you get three work, three levels of downward departure, then you get a safety belt. That's another two points off. You know, it just start, you know, you're able to back it up without telling, right? And then, you know, and then when they had the attention and thought that I was gonna go and tell, you know what I'm saying? I came off of like, I wanna say 20 or 22 down to 10, you know what I'm saying? But again, I ain't talking about telling our promise of telling for an extra. It's just how the time, you can only sentence me what the fuck you caught me with, right? And if you're talking about 50 to 500 grand, is if you look at the statue back then, five to one, it's only 10 years, mandatory. So you were ready to give me that 10? And then there was like, you know, you're gonna tell on your partners. I'm not telling on them. So they thought I was bullshit, you know, in the wake of it, and when they come back to get me to testify on them, I'm not going. Two weeks later, they came out with a super-seed indictment. So that was the assistant US attorney that had it out for you, right? Right. And he had it out for me because my and my paperwork and on the recordings, I'm saying, shit, Lord, put that crackle fuck you. I'm calling the police and all this shit. I got this fucking mouth on me. Put that bitch in. Bitch, I got to pay, Lord, you bitch, I get the fuck up out of it. I'm just running my mind, bro. Don't you know what the fuck? So of course the white prosecutor don't understand my error, my environment. You don't have to, but for the conversation, that made it worse. It's racism. It's racism. And it's fine. It's welcome to America. Yeah. That's so fucked up, bro. Yeah. And so they come at you and say, you don't want to tell, here's a super-seeding indictment, but what was that indictment from? If it's different than your guy's indictment. You got me. What the fuck? You got constructive possession, which means that there's a gun somewhere around in this neighborhood, somewhere underneath this roof, somewhere in a car we magically found is gone and is yours. And your attorney, you can look it up. Construct not too forcey. Constructive possession of a fire on my brothers of a George Revington crime. Constructive, but that constructive possession is the key word. You want me to have to have a bitch, I'm off, I'm going to say they're seeing you with it. That's constructive possession. And your attorney didn't think you guys could beat it at trial? Um, my attorney say, right, bitch, just go, just get the fuck out of here, bro, because you fucked up. Wow, take it, or go get on that stand, yeah, I can't go get on stand. The reason why it's not even in me to be unaccounted such a responsible individual, even back even when I was young, I was very responsible for my own actions. It made no sense to me to tell on the same very people who helped me get why I am and made no sense for us to struggle and cry together and watch our mama's band together and try to do better for us for me to turn around and rattle on a bunch of people and all this shit is my fault, bro. All this shit is my fault. I have my own mind, then people ain't kidding at me and make me sell no drugs. So what the fuck am I telling them? It just didn't instill to this day, it don't make no sense. But I will tell you this for the record though, if me and you on the car and I say, "Hey, man, don't bring no gun in this car while we out, you know, how far I'm going in. We get put on it and it's a gun in this car." Oh yeah, a bitch. Yeah, run that. Yeah, go on the jail. Yeah, I promise you ain't going to jail. I promise you. I promise you. What? Bitch, you ain't going to jail for you? And I'm not saying I'm a stiff, but I'm telling you now that when they add, "Hey, who gun is that?" Bro, they ain't mine. Oh god, bitch, I'm a little right. You know, when they put us in this jail, you know we're going to have, because that ain't mine. And I'm not going down for that bitch. I guarantee you, I'm not. So I'm not in the game though. You see, I'm a tax paying superior now. The times are different. I'm not doing that. Did any of your partners or anybody in your crew tell? Um. I want to say this, without, with keeping respect on everything to happen. That 14 man indictment spawned out to 62, that's 62 spawned out to 105, that 105 spawned out to like 500 and something people within like a 24 month period. Get the fuck out of here. Mm-hmm. It took the whole neighborhood. It took the city down. You can go with this. It's on one of those paperclippers. You can go back and see. 500 people are arrested and appeared at the time in St. Petersburg, Florida for drugs and shit. All fed. All some of them were states, some of them were fed. Not everything was fed. Okay. Right, right, right. But that's a state indictment. From 1996 to 2002, I will say this, St. Petersburg Police Department, ATLF and D.A. worked really, really well to clean that up from 1996 to 2002. You know, there's nothing else after that. You know, the real estate developers were like, we got, we need you guys to, we need you guys to take the whole fucking neighborhood out. Right. Now, I would never do what I did again. It ain't even the fact that I'm, I'm scared I'm just old. I understand the system. There's more ways, there's more than one ways to get some money. I just didn't know. I was uneducated. Had an entrepreneurship, grind an entrepreneurship, mine, and it took me under. Wow. He stood tall, man. Good for you. You did how, you did the full 15 day for day, not a break. So you lost some good time. I did. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was in the fucking the CEOs. I was in the beating of police up and shit. Were you fucking the CEOs? Yeah. Yeah. Black girls? Black girls. I had, my, my council member, I think she was, she was German or something like that. But a little older, you know, her skin color was, you know, like, my first skin, she liked German or something like that. And you know, I was fucking on it and it's two other people who was fucking on shit like that. You were fucking your councilor? Mm-hmm. Um, the chaplain secretary, you know, she had my people say, people say I'm lame, but it'd be female CEOs or CEOs, they'd get up and then come and they'd be arguing. That man ain't lying. I was in correction for 20 years, seen it, nobody. Yeah. Yeah. They're going. Nice. They're going. They're going. Absolutely. Yeah. If you look, you took. Absolutely. I wonder why it just happens all the time. I guess. I guess it's because you work. It's your shit you, you 50, I was in this bitch with me. I got more time with you than your husband and your boyfriend. For sure. And then my mouthpiece was so slim. That's so much silver. Silver tomatay, shit, you never heard of 'cause you ain't nobody paid that much attention to you like I do. I got time. I could go read a book and tell you some shit you ain't ever heard. I could write you a poem. I could tell you shit that's going, you know, a sweet letter by you. And plus I look good. You know, it's almost like I got this tang at this big edge. I'm coming in, I'm coming in your office with some, with my gray sweats on. But, you know, my pool halfway down, round my ass, my band up, my chest out, my arms being. Yeah, and I'm coming. Did your dick look good in sweatpants? Great. Those fucking great. I'm like a red bull can. Ah, nice. So, you know, it's a, oh yeah, yeah, it sticks out so it's still, it's really the, the width. Right. It's the girth. Yeah. So, you know, you're just going to, you know, key, key, high, high, whatever it can't make me, you know what I'm saying, feel it out. Talk about mules. Talk about food. She ain't told me to get out. She, you know what's next? Well, that dick out. Put that beer right on the desk. Yeah. I know what you're looking for. Don't try out. We're going to make this shit real quick. Yeah. So, that's how you break the ice as you just dick out. But the only two thing you're going to lock you up is she going to eat that bitch up. One or two. Right. One or two. Right. But you're not, you're not catching like a charge if she goes. No. There's no. You just, you just, it's a jack-in charge. They're going to give you some decent therapy. You know, on the compound, you're going to try your hand again. But you're like 15 years. Yeah. I'm going to do this shit how I want to do it. Day for day. Did you? And that was just to get pussy. It wasn't to get them to like bring you into. Oh, eventually it turned into one of one of the, um, last seals I had was a, was a, was a nice one of bringing in on contraband and shit into the prison. Hell yeah. Yeah, it was all Cologne sunglasses, um, tank tops, Nike socks, polo, shit like that. She that you can't get is what makes us the most money. And that's a good hustle. They're on beer trimmers. It was one of my best hustles because yeah, because they'll take them, the motor out of the beer trimmers and make them an attack too going. Right. So that motor is priceless. It's priceless. They can make any amount of money. So what do you charge? Shit, I could go in between two, fifty to five hundred. They're depending on who selling it. If you the top gunner, yeah, you're going to pay top price, you need this motherfucker and I'm the only one could get it only one 500 bucks, 500 bucks and they buy it for 30 bucks at Walmart. Oh, I'm pretty sure. If that, you know what I'm saying? If that has pretty good, uh, some shit, I'm like, like, um, brand, like I remember wall, I remember, you know, um, Jalette shit, like I remember some good brands come through. That's the smartest prison hustle. I've never even heard of that. And the dudes in the feds got money. Oh, they got bokeh money. It's so many hustles in the fairs, it's unreal. Like I can't describe the amount of money on these compounds is endless. And when I told the story about when I made the pizzas there by like, that's not possible. It's not, bro, you wasn't there. I haven't heard of this story. So, um, Super Bowl Sunday, um, I made, uh, like 50 pizzas, I don't know, maybe a hundred pizza. I can't really recall. But anyway, long story short, I saw each piece for 50 dollars. That's why I made probably about seven grand just in that one Sunday. But people sat on the line, but people who've been in the feds understand exactly what I'm saying. So, so what is that you were able to get your hands on dough and the dough? So, so you back then there's no limit back then on what you could buy the commissaire. There was no limit. If you had $2,500 and you just want $2,500 on a commissaire, that was it. But now there's limits. So, you know, you could only spend $300 a month. You could only buy like two packs of burritos, one thing of cheese back then they went doing none of that shit. Well, they were the fuck you want to buy they sending that shit down that shoe. So I go, you know, and then I had other people like all three of us all sell these or whatever case may be. You know, you on the tear with me. I be like, man, my girlfriend is saying, you 100, my girl, send you 100, my girl, send you 100. This is what I need. You gonna keep $25? You gonna need $75 commissaire, $75 commissaire, $75. So now you got $25 on your cell. So now you're gonna go get all the shit that I need. Then I got my kitchen runners who they ain't ever fucking the kitchen CEOs. So the kitchen CEOs are letting them out the side, though, because whenever you come out the front of the kitchen, the CEO's saying, front of you to pat you down. So they let them out the side, though, you know, where they whites on from the kitchen. They got soccer socks on. They got cheese, bell peppers, onions, you know what I'm saying? Tomatoes right here. A bag of cheese, hell, a bag of cheese, hell, and it's wrapped up with cellophane. You're not in the sauce or the sauce is made from, you get a can of tomato sauce out of the kitchen. They had the big can open on the stainless steel table, like a restaurant. So you know, you peel the can open. So what they do is they pour it in a bag because they're not just using this for my tomato paste on Super Bowl Sunday. They've been doing this shit for years before even got to the yard, but they making a hooch. Why? I did shit. You know, I'm just doing everybody. I'm just buying the bag of tomato paste and sending people over here to the store to get salsa and barbecue sauce and all the shit that I need. To make my shit. And then back then somebody said, well, where did you cook it at? We have microwaves. Then somebody else said, there's no microwaves. Bro, what the fuck? Be wrong with y'all, bro. There's definitely more of the fucking might as a microwave room, bro. It's like six of these motherfuckers, but because I was still well known and everybody had to come to me. That's a man, because secretly you're on a compound for everything you could think of. So I got a lot of juice, not just a little juice. So you know, I got these microwaves, you know, I got a microwave in the sale. You don't like, bro, I'm rocking and rolling. Bro, it's like your crack house. It's just like the crack at Entrepreneurship at its finest. So you got all that on Super Bowl Sunday, you got the hell of runners, it's 2500 people on the compound, bro. Right. Makes sense. Make me understand what I'm saying. 2500 people on the compound, bro, everybody in this motherfucker got money. But you go out back to the poker table, bro, the chip's probably biggest out motherfucker plant. Thousands of dollars. And bitch ain't playing. They paying. Yeah, they're paying. Ain't no problem. Nobody got a problem paying. They ain't no way to the mall. I don't call my girl on the phone. You gonna get it in 10 minutes. Yeah. It's a mini city, bro. It is. Everything you get to think of. It is a city. It's its own city. So you kill them. Kill them with the pizzas, with the pizzas. So basically the bigger bankroll you have in prison, it's all the comfortable you're going to live. Obviously, but it's like, I mean, like, if you got a couple thousand bucks, you can make huge shit happen. Big shit. Wow. They're buying one cigarette for 25 dollars. Right. You know the chapstick cap. You know, we take it off. And I'm small. That little cap is packed with marijuana for 20 dollars, 25 dollars, 35 dollars depending on where you at. That guy's got it, right? Everybody got it. Everybody got it. Did you ever get a bud? Did you ever have like a line on it? That wasn't my thing. You know, everybody else had it. You know, everybody got their own shit. You had the bookie. You had the wee man. You had the wee man. You had the wee man. You had the pornography man. Then you had me, the cussigliaire, on the go-to guy. And that means what? You come see me for everything you need, doesn't matter what it is. Besides, you know, those cornered markets, of course, because I don't deal with that. And when you talk about shoes, when you talk about, like you're going to visit, you want brand new uniform. You come to me. You know, I got my guys working on R&D. So when you first come on R&D, they take the shit that people come in with and they throw it in the trash or they throw it in the bin. So now you work R&D. I've already, you already on my, um, uh, uh, tell what they call that shit. It was just, yeah, you on my payroll. I just pay you to come bring me all the shit that you can that the people come and know. They smuggled it out. It's other people's shit. Yeah. And then you're going to get them right, right, visiting, right? What other kinds of shit, um, dog, you know who you're like, Morgan Freeman from Shawshank Redemption? Do you ever see that? I vaguely. I'll get you anything you want. A bag of Rifa. Yeah. And that was Morgan Freeman. Yeah. Whatever, fuck you want. I just didn't know. My thing was to keep me out of trouble. I stayed away from pornography. I stayed away from the wine. I stayed away from the weed. I stayed away from the gambling. I stayed away from the drugs. Right. My biggest thing is I'm going to get your head knocked off, but I had bigger plans though. That shit was, it was small to me. That's a middle school. If I could lock this bitch down with some, some shit that they can't get, you know what I'm saying? That's what my market is. And then I was always friends with the bookie because the bookie run the yard. He got all the money on the yard. So what he would do is we'll make an alignment. He won his money. I would pay him his money. But what he do is whoever lose on his gambling table, he sent them to me. So if you got a gold cross or a wedding ring or something like that, or some Cartier's or glasses, I pay you whatever you owe him, $300. You give me that shit. You don't give my money. Yo, she's going to be circling around this motherfucker somewhere for five, six, seven hundred dollars. Know that? Right. And you ain't going to fuck with me. You ain't going to fuck with me. Because that's just how the operation goes. This is our economy. Right. Yeah. It's like a pawn shop. There's the money lender. Right. If you're a money lender in prison, you got to be willing to like go do some work, though, if they don't pay you or send somebody to do it, right? Rare. We had an incident where, um, and again, people say I'm wrong, bitch, I don't be knowing what the fuck and people is. MS-13. I said Mexican. They say I'm lying. They say MS-13. Eight Mexican. Listen, you motherfuckers folks, men. They were sure it had black hair and they claimed to be MS-13 motherfucker. Now, whether they're Honduras, Dominican, what the fuck out of it, bitch, but story's real. That what the fuck happened. The motherfuckers shit with him. Well, we was in D block in South, uh, South Carolina, um, one of one of my partners, he black, he gave them all fucking Air Force ones to MS-13, Spanish, Mexican, Dominican, Honduras. Whatever the fuck y'all want to say in the comments, the dude didn't pay him. He went and go get the shoes back. The two Mexicans, the Clint, MS-13 jumped on him. He'd come to the wreck. Y'all come get us. We go down to D block. Beat all that shit up. I get stabbed 12 times by four Mexicans. The war didn't come in that bitch. They spray everything with Mace. We don't tell the whole fucking you in it up. They take everybody to the shoe, um, they grab. me and the Mexican shot collar and Ali, they take us all, you know, they were trying to take me to a firmery, but I didn't need to go. You know, they pulled me up, but it was a little plastic, a little plastic or cold anchors that they sell and come and sell. Okay. So it was a great one. Yeah, like a whole light slab of steel. Yeah, it went on bone crusher. So I'm saying that y'all bleeding and shit through my shirt, but it ain't like, it's major. You know, they want, of course, I went to the firmery, but we all in the war and I was off of war and trying to figure this is a black on war and great fucking war and one of the best ones I've ever been around, but he really understood the politics of prison. He understood being humanitarian. He understood like, I really wish I could find him and I really wish he could teach a program on how to be a warden. He was the best fucking warden ever, bro. Not on a hot shit and I don't know flame and shit, bro. Just on some real mental strategy on how to play chest and prison, bro. Fucking bad as fucking warden. Um, they locked us all up. The MS 13 shot call of found out that one of the dude lied, which got everybody in the upper one, went back and told them that, quote unquote, you know, the black dude, the N word stole the L fours once. And that's why they jumped them. That's not the case. Once they found out what the real case was and he started all that shit and got everybody fucked over. Then I'm killing that dude. They killed them. I wasn't no running off of their art. It was like, they killed them. They stabbed them off. Yeah, bone crush them. Well, no plastic sheet. Then they had a kill that boy. Yeah, it's all kind of fun until somebody get hurt. And that's a, that's the reality in life. It's all fun and games. That's somebody get hurt. They ran up in a cell. I don't really know what I just know. You just hear about it. No, no, we know they killed them. I don't know what they ran up in the cell. I don't have a shoe. I don't have another y'all. I don't know, but they killed that boy by playing. But that's what they do. Yeah, it's, yeah. When people were killed in the feds, it's usually by their own, right? Right. It's usually by their own. And you said like every week of the life flight would be coming. Yeah, that was in USP. Yeah, absolutely. You could see them flying down the shit in the yard from your window and shit. They would land in the yard. Yeah, on the radio. And then just fucking, yeah, we're gonna do that. You don't want body. You want it off, but what USP were you out of Colman? Colman won. They didn't have Colman too back then. So now you got, and Colman, you got Colman won, being Colman too, being Colman medium, Colman low. And then you got Colman camp for the girls, the cute girls without the camp. And what about your mother this whole time? Did you ever, did you stand touch her there? Yeah, she came and visited me a couple of times, but it was so standoffish. It wasn't nothing. We really didn't talk. She just said enough for like four, five hours. We'll take a picture of whatever. But it wasn't nothing really talking about. This is really off and hard, you know? Yeah. And then wow, so I guess that relationship just kind of, um, do I don't know on its own, you know, I came home and nothing was the same, you know what I'm saying? When I first came home, um, I had, you know, some of my partners in shit in front of my mom's house come and meet me probably about 10 of my, you know, street friends who never went to prison and she then went on to school and coaching the high school and, you know, stuff like that, you know, good fellows and shit like that. So, and then, um, I can remember my the fellowship and I could see her in the doorway through the screen door, like looking like, you know, like, he, he never going to learn. He's going to do the same shit. He just awaits him my time. I wish I would. And I could, I could read, you know, that end, I could see her eyes burning into me. So when I walked in the house, it wasn't even about like, you know, I love you. I'm glad you're home. You know, we're going to kind of relationship, um, you know, you can, you can live here, you know, whatever we have to do. She said, why are you so black? Why do you want to be black so bad? What is it about black people that you like so much that you want to be that black? She said, your favorite color's black, your name is black, your friends are black. Why? I told the man, I want you to rest easy and some things don't need explanation. And I walked out. I was there. Have you forgiven your mother? You can't forgive nothing like that. That's the first woman we're supposed to receive love from. That's the first person where you learn emotion. That's the first person where you learn dictation and who you were supposed to be. Your mother is supposed to give you a love that would never be received. She's supposed to teach you. She's supposed to provide for you things and the abundance because she had you. There, there, there's an ultimate, um, innate aura that's supposed to surround a child and a parent. It was never there. Do you blame her? Yeah. I do. Sir, for it. It is. It is. Yeah. And people in the comments when I speak like this, they say, I'm a pussy. I blame my mother. I'm a stand up. You can't be stand up. Nothing if you're two years old. You can't be a stand up man at 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 19. You're receiving that type of mental, verbal, physical abuse. So how can you ridicule me in the comments when I say, no, I don't forgive her. It's her fault. You put me, you had a chance every day, every human being who's going to see this podcast around the world, they wake up with two C's, a chance and a choice. That's what we wake up with every day. It's up to you to choose what your chance is going to be. And she didn't. She didn't get that second job. She didn't get that education. She didn't pursue a better lifestyle for me because she was comfortable in contempt of what she wanted to do. Smoke a wee, get fucked, get drunk, neglect me and abuse you and abuse me. So how the fuck is my fault? It didn't blame me. I'm a fucking kid. I would have brought that. Yeah. If I was your lawyer, I mean, this is all got to be presented before. It was, but it wasn't your fault by this year. We was too far in the dope game and we had too much money. So they're right. I could have left to a certain degree of course is my fault. When I start knowing and understanding the yellow, but you can't blame me for getting on the podcast and saying, man, it's my mother's fault. Now when I was born here, now when she didn't take the right correction and direction to change this shit, because she too had all demons that she couldn't fight off. Did you enter into some kind of therapy when you were in the joint or never? No, never. Still to the date now. For what? You know what? Good. For what, bro? It is going to make no difference. What about, yeah, you know what? It makes no difference, bro. It makes no difference. So what does it feel good though? I guess to talk it out? No. Has telling your story, my story from paying the purpose or what I've been through and why I sit on this couch with you today? Yes. But the dark side? No, because it's not going to hold the fuck of you to tell me some shit you read in the text, but it's going to change my mind about a dead woman and going to end the other relationship. Well, a woman say she loved me, but turn around and fuck my friend. What are you going to tell me? I'm going to pay you $175. The tears for you to tell me something wrong with me because that person broke my trust. Fuck out of you. I ain't doing it. Has that your horrible relationship with your mother? Has it affected your relationship with women? Now I'm turning this into a therapy because I have enough common sense to rationalize when I'm being unappreciative. So I have everybody goes from being a victim to a participant in that arrow. So the first time your wife or your girlfriend beat the shit out you, that's the message violence. You say you stay, you love, you're going to work it out. She whoop your ass again. You stay, you're going to work it out. You love her. The third time she whoop your ass and you don't leave. And this is her conduct. You have accepted her conduct. Allow her to teach you that it's okay for her to treat you like that. Now you are officially a fucking participant. And I ain't got nothing else to talk about after that. I don't want to hear that crying ass shit. You stay, motherfucker. You stay. Anybody, yeah, man, anybody can leave. And I'm not saying whether or not it's harder or not because I would never be raped in any relationship. Nobody going to never rape me. So I don't know how it is for women to be raped and how it changed our emotions in the brain. I can't speak about that. But what I can't speak about is whenever you know as a grown person, you're being abused, you can leave. There is proper guidance in our life. Whether it's the police or when they hunt a number, a number one or two on one, a six one. There's places on the job. They got the shit. It's called the angel shot when you need help. Like, and I'm not saying, you know, sometimes in both sides, you know, man, don't know what to do. I see me being abused. So again, I'm just saying everybody's got a choice. Everybody has a choice. Well, how bad it is to where, when is it going to be enough for you to leave when you did it in the casket, you go from being a victim to a participant? Well, that's the inspiration in your story is because you come from the worst circumstances. I've never, I've heard a lot of horror stories from childhood on this podcast, but yours is one of the worst. And you still accepted responsibility, you know, in getting sentenced and carrying yourself in prison. And it's not, you don't have to forgive your mother to take responsibility for what you did and make a choice. Right. It's great, man. I really, really appreciate you coming through. Oh, yeah, I think, I think that when people, people hear me talk, my message gets thrown at the window because of the delivery. People don't like the way I talk. People don't like the way I announce it at words. And my message is so prevalent to the world that if you just take time out and take the presidency and the biased out of what you feel personally and listen to the message that I provide to those who are in need, I restore confidence. I give you back all intelligence. I allow you to understand who you are and why you walk on this earth the way you do. I tell you to accept yourself in the way God made you but be respectful about it. And don't let nobody disrespect you about it. You see? And my pain and the purpose is so prevalent in today's society because we see so much violence, we see so much war, we see so much just degradation. You can't even-- some regular people don't even know what the fuck they're coming to go on. Whether it's violence or romance. But when people get a hold of my message and they see I came from all this violence and ridicule and today poverty, yeah, poverty. So today now here it is, I'm one of the most iconic bodyguards in the entertainment industry. I've been with every iconic figure that the entertainment industry has to offer that America's ever seen. I've been standing right next to him. I've been hired to keep them safe. When you talk about security in any realm or in the United States, black labor will come up in the conversation. Now whether or not you can afford a black labor, that's a difference. But my name will come up in the-- we need the door God. Man, you know I know black labor. We need heavy security. Man, I know black labor. Man, I need a bodyguard. I got my son just coming up and the athlete program on, you know, he's a rapper, I know the sky black labor, you see. So, and then it's on around and have people get in a vehicle with me after hearing my story and how much violence and shit that I occurred and be able to get in a black truck and darts in the windows and I locked that door. And there is no parcel between me and you. And then people love me to death. They love the vibe. They love to hang out. They love the system that I give them that they bought into. That's the brand of black labor. And that's the beauty behind putting pain in the purpose. It can't everybody do that, bro. It takes a significant person to be able to mentally compensate from the hurt, from the pain and turning the purpose and turn around not just heal yourself, but also heal people when they get in this black truck. So, a lot of shit I hear in this black truck. I mean, I am the therapy session. I am the preacher. I am the school teacher. I am the bigger dad. I am the brother. So, a lot of these people getting this black trucker. They going through a lot of shit. And when they drink up my black truck, they spill out more. You see? But I'm not on TMZ telling these people secrets. I'm not on YouTube over here, promoting all the shit that goes on and breaching confidentiality and tell you who fucking who and what I heard in this conversation. And that's what separates me from everybody else. When I talk about when I was looking on that block and understanding everybody had the same thing. What can I do? It's the education. It's the education where separates me from every other body guard. It's the education I have on confidentiality and how to move these people properly. That separates me from every other private chauffeur. So when you talk about having a great date night with you and your wife. When you talk about having a business brunch with you and your boys, when you talk about having a birthday out with your girls, you want to have the cameras and shit. Guys, night out. You want to keep your kids safe on prom. Graduation, homecoming. It's always going to be-- I know this guy at Black Label. Your life has just been overcoming, again and again, and thinking outside the box. Telling you, man, you know this. I do. You're special. You're different. Very. But I think ordinary people, we all have something in us. That's spark of genius. And life is figuring out what that is and doing your thing. I think that's what-- I think that's the message. You got a lot of messages. But I think that's that what people can learn from you is be yourself and be proud of it. Be proud of it, you know what I'm saying? Black Label Services plug away and plug your podcast. God damn it. Yeah, so for those who want to book Black Chuck, you know, I'm based out of Tampa, Florida. I run from Miami to Atlanta if you need long distance drive. Whatever you need, I don't have a website. Of course, we're in the days of social media. I had a website, just was getting no traffic. So I used my Instagram, Black_Label_Services, and YouTube paid on the purpose of my podcast. Black Label Lounge. And for those who just want to relax and just lose and have some comic time, follow me on TikTok. Black Label 1014. Great TikTok follow. Yes, absolutely. But TikTok is crazy. Yeah. I mean, here's Star, bro. I appreciate it. I got some keys. I gotta move from Tampa to Atlanta. Can I hire you for that? You can't hire me for that. You can. I got a movie script about that. No, I'll play it, but I do have a movie script. It's a great, I got the number one comedy in America right now. I need somebody who knows somebody who does not have the degree. What did I tell you? I know somebody who knows somebody who's going to beat that degree in a day. I have the number one comedy movie in America. It's a great idea. You just told me before. I did. Yeah, it's amazing. I need Will Packard. I need Adam Sandler. I need Tyler Perry. I need 50 Cent. I need somebody who could take this group and just make America happy again. Let me see what I can do for you. I appreciate that. It means a lot. Man, it means so much. I had a great time with you. We could do this all day. You guys, the great black label, go follow him. You know who he is. And go over to his YouTube channel. I want to get a lot of traction over to his podcast. We're going to blow you up, sir. I appreciate it. I'm eating. You got it, man. You guys. Thanks again. We'll see you next week. We'll be here. Appreciate you.