The Weekly: HOF Yes or No

All right folks. Welcome to episode two of the podcast weekly, where me and my best friends do chitchat about hockey. I hope you enjoy it. And now onto the episode. Well, what's the recap from last night? The haves are playing well. Except we've got a few injuries that I'm a little worried about. What's the haves record right now? They're playing extremely well. Are they the best Canadian team right now? I believe so. Yes. I believe so. Yes. And Ed, well, maybe Edmonton Edmonton's going to fall in off a little bit too, but that's yeah. So. But can you really count Edmonton, they get dry settle Edmont David? They've both been on fire. I meant to touch you that the other day or two days ago yesterday, the day with six point six point game. It's a crazy man. That's first one. That's not six points. When was the last player to do that though, even? Probably not too long ago, but I'd have to look that up more researchers need it. I left just today a couple of years ago, but which leaf was it? I get what an incredible feed. Wow. So. Was it murder? It made the murder sounds right? I'd like that sounds about right? Yeah. Sounds about right. So cool. All right. And the leaves are slumping, I think, a little bit. And the flames can't go through. It's at what it is. Five straight losses now. Yeah. Oh, shit. People are saying maybe it's time to fire Bob. People are talking about fire and bill Peters out here, but I think maybe it might be time to fire Bob. It's not crazy. That even the Bob talk experiment didn't work. Yeah, no, it's five straight for Toronto people. We're talking about fire and badcock. I I don't know if they should. I didn't like the badcock signing when they signed them, but they who would they replace them with? Well, they lost who they should have replaced them with. Who Joel Glenville? No, they lost. Dude, dude coaching an Ottawa Smith. Thank you for saying Smith. Who's that? He was in the Toronto organization for years and years. He was an assistant coach for four years now. But he was in there before then, before badcock. And he was supposed to be the next guy, sort of like that was he was supposed to be the next guy. But then they got badcock, right? So. They they screwed it up because now now Ottawa's got him. And Ottawa's doing, you know, not bad for Ottawa. Ottawa's I think is fucking terrible. Are you kidding me? Have you look, have you pulled up the, you got the standing in front of you? Compared to what they should have been though. They're not bad. Yes, they're terrible, but it's Ottawa. Come on, man. They're fucking terrible, man. And it's all it's all it's all on Melnik in my opinion. It's all exactly who do they got? They've got nobody. And who have they lost everybody? Like the best thing of all of the superstars that have played in Ottawa over years. Let's go back and forth on that for a second to see who can get stumped superstars or high-powerful players. I'll start at number one, Danny Heatley. Go. Oh, for some great fucking call there. Spetsa. Carlson. Another fucking banger of a player. Bobby Ryan. Bobby Ryan still air is he? Yes. I would say he's not not a superstar anymore though because he's got down here. But yes, he's still there. Dominic. Dominic Hasick. I forgot he played for them. I like Ray Emory. Ray Emory. Zedeno Chara. A Hoffman. A Hoffman. There's a good one. There's another good one. Yeah. Okay, let me think. Who else? Man, Ottawa's had some players over the years, right? Yeah. And they've got a couple now. They've got Thomas Shabbat. They've got Colin White. Like these are players that couldn't be stars. But they're playing. Matt. What do you shame? You shame? They had him for a half a season. Even subvenagers playing better. Stone. Stone. Mark Stone. Man, he was fucking he's he's a killer dude. He goes out to Vegas and it's like, wow, this guy's a power forward, you know. Where does Lazarus supposed to be a star turns out he wasn't, but he was supposed to be, you know, Chris Lazarus like 22, though. A lot of people forget about that. The dude's like so young. He's like 25. He's like my age. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I had had this conversation the other day. It could be wrong. But I was at the Dallas game on Wednesday and the two things on that just quickly. One is I told you remember we talked about this earlier. It started the year. I said Dallas is going to be a fucking banger team. They had a shitty fucking start to the season. Do you know what they are in their last 10? They don't like eight eight one and one. I'm gonna say they're like seven three seven and three years. Eight one and one man. They've come fucking alive. And it was Corey Perry's thousands game. And they didn't do enough for him. I don't think they'd made an announcement. Like in the middle of the first period, once everybody was in their seats and they they did a little thing, but Corey Perry deserved a bit more. I felt he's a national fucking. It would have it would have been way more if it had had been Dallas versus Anaheim for his thousand. Yeah, but you can't make a schedule based on like that. You don't even know if you know you could miss a game or have an injury or fucking whatever. I can I can see them next time they play Anaheim. I can see they're being some sort of recognition. Oh, well, I have to look at that for sure. Oh, for sure. They have to be right. They have to be. They usually give him a stick. I thought it was like if the silver stick or something. Yeah. So, but I think that's it though. Right. Like, but that was my point. Perry hasn't been playing there. He hasn't been playing their very long, right? So they're so much. No, he hasn't. I think like 12 or 13 games. He played 988 with the ducks. So, but the dude who scored. So the flames will talk about them in a second. I've got a lot to say about that, but the guy that scored the go ahead goal for the stars. Did you see this dude? His name is Steve Dowling. It was his first shot. He's 29 years old and it was his first NHL shot and his first NHL goal and he scored a fucking beauty on Riddick to go ahead and the point of the story is the dude is from Cochran, which is 15 minutes outside of Calgary. That's where that's where Christine's from. Pablo, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And this guy, I guess, has been like toiled in the in the minors for like a decade. He's 29 and the guys that were behind us were like, that's our fucking buddy, man. That's our buddy. And they said that they knew him from Cochran and they came out to watch him play and they were so stoked. And then we were, we poached some really good seats. And we were overlooking the lower bowl and everyone were pretty sure that his mom was right down there. She had him on a Dowling Starters jersey and everyone was like giving her high fives and stuff. And I was like, hmm, sense about right? So yeah. Yeah, that sounds like that'd be a mother thing to do. Yep. But like all like flames fans arounds were like all giving her high fives and stuff. And you can just see it. So it looked like that's what we everyone was like, yeah, that must be her mom. Yeah, the guys I was with were like, that's the family down there. It was fucking cool. So the stars are the stars are a beast. The flames, man. Johnny good drove Johnny the little invisible wizards. I want to talk about Matthew. What do you want to talk about? He's fucking been carrying the team on his back. Man, he's the only guy in this page. That goalie fight, dude. The which one he's talking about? Comper. Comper. Yeah, this was this was last time. I didn't even watch the game. I was snowboarding yesterday. I thought it was an evening game. So I can't even speak on this too much. You're going to tell me what happened. Well, I only saw the highway, but man, was it ever a fucking fight? Well, Chuckie and Darcy tamper. So basically what happened was, um, Johnny took a that basically he felt like he was slew footed. I don't think he was, but he felt like he was. So he went crosscheck another crosschecked Minnesota players. No, no, they weren't playing Minnesota last day. They were playing Arizona. Yeah, that's Arizona. Uh, when I think Comper, I think Minnesota, because that's restarted. I didn't even know that. Are you going? Uh, yeah. So he's he crosschecked an Arizona player, and I think the player went down kind of easy. Uh, so he gave him another shot in the back and Comper lost his mind. And then Matthew could chuck because Comper was going after Goudreau jumped in and started chirping and threw a few punches, right? At Comper, Comper threw a few punches and chucked. And then next year, he's like really jumping into the pile? Ridic came in. I heard him. I mean, I got to see these highlights on, um, I got to go to the flames page when we go out the phone. I only, I heard, all I heard is from last night's game, I turned it on and it was like three nothing hours on and I was like, what the fuck? And no, in fact, I watched, oh, no, no, no, I listened to the minute, the game in a minute roundup on the radio. I only heard it on the radio. So it took, it took like 10 seconds for Ridic to get from inside of the ice to a camper. He was like right there. Yeah. Ridic's, Ridic's, man, what do you think of David Ridic into him? Yep. Uh, do I think Mike Smith let six goals in for the Oilers the other night? They left him in for six goals. So, uh, I like Ridic, but is he, is he the guy? I don't think so. Cam Talbot, by the way, then that game against Dallas had a fucking incredible, incredible game. It was my first game ever watching Cam Talbot play and I was very impressed. I don't like, uh, yeah, that's the one thing with Calgary that I don't like is the golden thing. I don't, I don't, I, I like Ridic, but he's not the guy. Mm hmm. And Cam Talbot had his chance to be the guy, did it for about what a season and a half and crap the bed. They need, they need to draft somebody and they need to keep him. Well, that you know who that is. That's Tyler Parsons. Well, yes, we talked about this before. Yes, but the guys right now who are in that's, it's not Tyler Parsons right now. It's Ridic and Talbot. And yeah, if you've got, if you've got concerns there, I'd say, yeah, that's valid, but the flames have got some bigger concerns. And that is their authors, their authors, they don't need to show off. Yeah, aren't showing up. They're offends. It's crazy. Oh, monahan. Oh, the monahan's been playing decent. It's more good. Well, even Goudreau, Goudreau's had like nine points in his last nine games. That's the other thing that he said too. I was listening to. Yeah, he has like, the Chuck could Chuck's been playing pretty good. I mean, he's a rat. So, yeah, man, he's even got a rat haircut. He's got like, he's like the new age Brad Bertrand. He is the new age Brad Martian. It's great to be able to watch him play so much because he's a cheeky fuck. And it is. It's great watching him play. He's going to be what they think maybe a future Hall of Famer. I mean, it's hard to say because he's so new, but if he keeps going the way he is, yeah. You think Brad Martian is a Hall of Famer? I'm biased when it comes to Merchant because I'm a Habs fan. But I'll have to put my bias aside. It's a close call. It really is. I think the biggest difference between Kitchuk and Merchant is I think Kitchuk has a little bit more scoring. Touch than Merchant does. Yeah, I could agree with that. I think he's a better shot. He's a bit bigger. He's a bit bigger than Brad Martian as well. Chuck, he's not a big dude, but Merchant's not a big dude. Merchant's pretty small. Yeah. Yeah, Chuck, he's bigger. He's got a bit more of a presence out there. Yeah. What, I mean, Merchant Hall of Famer? I don't think so. I don't think so. What would make him a Hall of Famer? Couple more cups. Does everybody who wins a couple of cups go in the Hall of Famer automatically? No, but I'm saying, I'm saying that if he, like if he were to go to another team and play for another, I don't know, five to seven years because he's already been in the league for quite some time now, right? So say he goes to another team besides Boston. I think he has to go to another team. He can't play with Boston the entire time. But if he wins like another cup with another team and plays for another seven years, he could, could make it into the Hall of Fam. Will he? I wouldn't vote for him, but I also had to recognize my bias this being a Habs fan. There's you think, all right, I'm just going to name like a couple of players who just tell me quickly if they're Hall of Famers, Joe Thornton. Yes. Patrick Marlow. I'm going to go with yes. I want to say no. Jason Spetson. I'd say no on him. Zedeno Chara. Yes. Interesting. Roberta Luongo. Hands down. All right, interesting. That was pretty much a yes for everybody except for Spets, I think. I'm wanting to why I say no to Spets. What? He had such a dramatic drop off. Did he, I'd have to go through this. He went from being a perennial 30 goal scorer to basically nothing. That's what it feels like. And maybe that's because he went to the West Coast for what, six years. And we don't get a kind of West Coast stuff. Maybe that maybe that there's a bias ness there because I'm over on the east side of the country. And we don't get a lot in West Coast news. But I mean, does it? What was it from the sense to Dallas to Toronto? Yes. And nowhere before the sense he played his whole career with distracted by the sense. Yeah. Interesting. Drafted him what like 97. That's it wasn't that long ago, dude. It wasn't that long ago. Well, let's let's let's let's Google it. It's exactly what I was going to say. It feels like it. But yeah, the yeah, what's this Bill Peters is going to suffer from the two-year flames. Coach purge. What are we talking about this? That he's going to get fired, you mean? That every in the last six years, the flames have had three coaches, three different coaches. Phil Hartley came in. What happened? Flames had a sick run. He won coach of the year. Next year, flames drop off. He gets fired. Next year, Glenn Gulletson comes in. Flames have a sick year. Make breeze into the playoffs. Next year, they have a rough year. Mr. Playoffs. Gulletson is fired. Last year, Bill Peters comes in. The team fucking has like most points ever. When's the Western conference? Not the Western conference final, but the regular season and this year, they're fucking struggling to be 500 and everyone's looking at Bill Peters again. He's probably going to get fired every two years. Man, there's been a flames coach get nipped in the last six years. What do you think of that? I'm just going to update you on the Jason Spitzer thing. He was drafted in 2001. Wow. Okay. So not as late as I thought, but not that far off. And as for Bill Peters, I don't think he should be fired. I think they should stick with him. I like, I mean, yeah, they're down right now, but I like the team. I just think that they need their big guys to not disappear. Which in my opinion, doesn't really have much to do with the coach. All he can do is change lines. And I would recommend maybe doing that. Maybe the change to every combo. You can think of that. See that Chucky with Johnny and Monty. Yeah, but but I think I think he needs to be a real shake up. Like I think they need to sit. I think Kowski and Luce each. Oh, my word. I would see in my eyes, the players, the personnel is not the coach's problem. That's the GM. Right. He's the GM is the one that traded for the two. The GM is the one that direct kept signing Gen Kowski. Right. The GM is the one that gave you draw what six seven six seven five eight for six years. So it's like, for me, you can't really blame the coach on that stuff. But I think what you can say is, well, maybe they should try sitting a Guzro for a game or two. He'd pout. He'd pout way too much. I don't care. I've been fucking about. It's better. We got a fucking score. I know, bro. It's it's hurting the watch. It's hard to watch. It's like the league's figured him out. And he's got great hands and he's got great movement and the whole everything. But man, it just uh, he's small. They know they can push him around. And they have been and Luce each came in to protect him and it hasn't like Luce each has already been suspended for games. Fucking he's got the problem with Luce each. He can't keep up. That's a man. That's it's so of even what you're watching. He has what everybody in the entire stadium is saying. He's the slowest player on the ice, bro. You can't protect that behind. You can't protect people. If you can't skate with them, you bad boom. He's a step behind every player on the ice, two steps behind the sum of the fastest all the time. Like that was a mistake. I told you I told you when the train happened that that was the dumbest moves that they could have ever made. Because James Neil was going to bounce back. Yeah, he's not going to be a 30 goals for him, but he could be a 20, 25. Right. And where's he at right now? He's got like what 15? I'm trying to bring up the flame stats here first. Then I'm going to bring up. I want to see what James Neil has because why did we lose on that deal? Oh, did you have or I told you what had happened. I was like, you're going to regret it. Well, I'd never doubted that man. So our top three players, so in 21 games played. Chucky has 20 points. Johnny has 18 points. An Elias Lindholm has 17 points. Now, I will say that was a good trade. Elias Lindholm's turned out to be one of the two. What is stud, man? Really? I like the defender you guys got the Hanuffin one too. I like him too. No, Hanuffin. He's like the same age as Curtis. He's like 22. I like Hanuffin. I really do. Stay at home solidly at three points the other night against New Jersey. He was the first star of the game. But I mean, Dougie's been playing well for Carolina too. So they don't miss him here in Calgary. Dougie Hamilton. No, no, much rather have no Hanuffin. Yeah. Let's talk about the Habs real quick. Oh, yeah. Because I mean, they're playing good this year. But I still feel like they're missing something. They don't, they don't. Well, bring me up to speed. Because like you said about losing players in the West. What's going on in Montreal? Who's getting the points here? Who are you beating? What's going on? Well, I mean, we're beating some okay teams. We just beat Washington. Oh, nice. And it was a pretty like it was a team game. It wasn't like one guy carrying the team, which was nice. But I mean, in that game, we also lost Jonathan Drew and to an upper body injury for at least a week. I read that because of a hit from Ovechkin. So I mean, that's concerning. And this is coming from a guy that a couple years ago didn't like the Drew Land trade. Didn't like it at all. But it turns out to be a pretty decent move because he's actually, you know, putting up some points now. But I have some concerns. I don't really like our defense. I don't like Weber at all. Not saying PSU Ben would be any better in that situation because I don't think he would be. But I do have some concerns in Montreal in the fact that we've still got carrier price. We just signed them to that massive deal with a no trade clause. And he's our one asset that we could trade away and rebuild. But now we can't trade him away because it's going to no trade clause. So it's like I would have rather trade him away right before the no trade clause kicked in. And suck for five, six years. Then be kind of middle of the road. Might make it might not for the next 10, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, man. What are you going to do? I tell you what I do. I go to him and say, what are your, what are your top five teams? What teams would you be a trip to trade team? Yeah. Yep. And I do that for almost everybody. I'd say, look, where do you want to go? Because we're rebuilding. We need to. There's a couple players that I'd like that I like that I think way decent. But I think we need to rebuild. We need to suck for, you know, like, and I made bottom of the league suck like Ottawa for the next probably five years. Man, that's too long. Fucking Seattle's going to come in and be another beast of a team. And yes, they are, which is a problem for Montreal. These expansion teams are approved because they they've got really nice expansion draft rules, which is helping the expansion teams, but it's not helping a Montreal or a Detroit, you know, teams that how sick would it have been if we've been able to do all this during the first year of school? Remember, there was the lockout that year. Oh, shit, man. That would have been a lot of fun, man. Yeah, this is this is good too. But yeah, that was a half. Well, when did they play like a super short in season that years? Oh, it was 48 games. Yeah. Yeah. And who won the cup that year? Tampa? Was it Tampa? I don't know. I think so. But I don't remember. So, what's up? You want to hear some scoring leaders in the NHL right now? Sure, sure, sure. Well, you know, who number one? I actually don't. Leon. Leon's number one? Yeah, he knows number two. I guess we're David. Connor, yeah, Connor. What a one-two punch that is, dude. Like, oh. And then the next three players. So they've got 43 points, Leon, 40 points, Connor, respectively. And then the next three players are tied at 32 points each. They're eight points below. Wow. Even Connor, who's not even in first place. And those are David, Pastor Max, Brad Moshand, and John Carlson. John Carlson. Oh, my god. You got 32 points, man. That's that third name that you just like, whoa, that's not a name you would expect. Yeah, he's been killing it, man. I want to see where he's in Washington, right? Nikita Kutcherov. You know what? Where he is this year? Remember last year, everything he touched during the goals? He's like, I'm going to say, he probably like Ken. Well, how about I tell you him and Johnny have the same amount of points? Oh, that's that's kind of sad actually. Yeah, they're both at 18 points. And you know who else is, you know who else is 18 points? Who? Mitch Mariner. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but I still like the deal. I think I think the only mistake Toronto made in terms of contracts was Newlander. I still have. Do you know how many points Newlander has? I don't know. The same as Elias lit. The same as Elias Lindholm. 17. So he's actually been playing, you know, not bad this year compared to last year, but Sean Monahan also has 17 points. So I'm just just to throw some stuff out there at you. I still don't like the Newlander deal. I really don't. And here you go. James Neil. This is what I was wondering where I was trying to find James Neil. He's 80th in points in the NHL with 15. But what's he got for goals? He has James Neil. Let me have a hold on a second. I meant, he's got 12 goals and three assists. He's minus 11. The plus minus is bad. But I mean, last year you guys would have taken that 11, that 12 goals. Do you know which goal he has the most wins? I should, but I mean, no carry price. Go figure. 10 wins. Do you know who has the highest save percentage so far this year? I want to say it's like it can't it can't be price. Nope. I'm going to go with rash maybe. That was a good guess. Thomas Grease. Where does he play? The New York Islanders. He was in 938. I don't even know that name. That's that's yeah, okay. And just to give you a little bit of a some some going on. Okay, power play, Emerton is the highest power play in the league 31.8 league average is 19.5. But again, but again, they've got dry settle and McDavid and the problem with both the same power play line. There you go, penalty kill. San Jose Sharks 90.9. And the average is 80.4. That's pretty good. Jumbo Joe man. Jumbo Joe. As of right now, Tampa's scoring the most goals for game 371 and the Islanders are letting the most goals in against with 233. Which is funny because they've also got the highest save percentage. So. Yeah, this is cool to him. And there's a here on the here on the NHL page. There's a milestone tracker. I'm just scrolling down. So for instance, it's got Nicholas Lindstrom. It shows that he's got like a little graph. It says he's coming up to 900 points. He's at 890. And it says then it says the all-time points leaders Gratsky with 2857. And then next to it, it's got Mark Andre Flurry. Holy shit. Oh, never mind. Yeah. Cool, man. This is very cool. Mark Andre Flurry is coming up to 450 wins in the NHL. That's gonna be close to the top, right? The leader is Marty Brodor with 691. Oh, he's a lot. A lot more wins than Flour. A lot more wins. Tell me this since you asked. What? Earlier. Is he a Hall of Famer? Flurry. 100%. His cup is alone with Crosby and the boys. That did it right there, man. He is a Hall of Famer. And he was on the team Canada Gold Medal winning team. He's been on a couple of them as he not. Yeah, he made it. 2010 and 14. I don't know what's the on the. Let me see here. I don't remember if he was on 14. He was definitely there for the Golden Gold Gold. Yeah, but who is in that game? It was the Wango. I'm going to go with that. Yep. Hold on. This is just going to bring it up. But yeah, he should be. It's a bit of a tough one for you. What's a price? Would you put him in the Hall of Fam? That's a tough one. Our three Goldies in 2010 where Mark Andre Flurry, Roberto Luongo and Marty Brodor. Sorry, what year was that? 2010? 2010. Okay, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 2014 Mike Smith was there. Who was the head coach that year? Was it not badcock? It was badcock. Good good memory. All right. And then the 20 the 2014 winner games, we had Roberto Luongo as one of our goalies. And who else? Let me see here. Mike Smith was there. Yeah, TJ Brody was on that team. No, well, he just, he just collapsed there the other day, right? I was going to say any news on what that was yet. I think they say he's in good shape. He's all right. Let me see here. Where's the goal? He's just second buddy. That's not right. I want to say it was Mike Smith, Kerry Price, and then the one that you said earlier that slipped my mind. All right, listen, I'm going to go through another just this roster quick. You just have to say yes or no, and this is going to be again. This is going to be again. Yes or no to some of these are going to be blatantly obvious, but yes or no to Hall of Fame status. Okay. Okay. And all right. Dan Boyle. No. Drew Dowdy. Probably yes. Duncan Keith. I'm going to go with probably yes on him as well. Brent Seabrook. No. Shay Weber. No. Patrice Virgeron. Yes. Ryan Gets laugh. Probably yes. Danny Heatley. I would say nobody probably will make it. Rick Nash. Yes. Eric Stahl. Yes. Jonathan Taves. Yes. All right. You got, we got, man, these teams are fucking loaded up. All right. You ready for this one? Uh-huh. Marty Turko. Oh God. Yeah. Probably yes. I don't think I would put them there, but yeah. Jay Boe Meister. Again, I don't think I'd put them there, but yeah. Adam Foot. I wouldn't put them there. No. Wade Redden. No. Shane Donne. Yes. Simone Gagne. No. Brad Richards. No. Oh, Jordan Tutu. No. No. All right. Yeah. I'm just going, but although he might make it because of like the like he was kind of a journeyman for like Native American, a Native Canadians. Yeah. That's true. He might make it as like a builder, but on his playing stats. No. All right. Mark Giordano. He'll probably make it. Yep. Steve Stampos. Yes. John Tavares. Yes. And they let everybody in. Don't they? Every good player. Is that right? Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Anybody? Deon. Deon for enough. No. Oh, Patrick Sharp. No. Jordan Everly. No. PK. No. And I'm a PK fan. And I say no. Claude Giroux. No. Andrew Latt. No. Hmm. Interesting. Jeff Carter. No. Patrice Burzoran. You already said him, but yes. Alex Patrangelo. No. Chris Kunitz. No. Interesting. Intradan Hamuse. Hell no. Hell no. No. Alex Burrows. Remember when Alex Burrows? He probably won't make it, but yes, I remember Alex Burrows. He plays for he's having gone now, man. Yeah. Quite for the canucks and then ducks. Nathan McKinnon. Yep. Sean Sean Couturier. No. Hmm. Aaron Eckblad. That's the guy I was trying to think of the name of the other day. We were talking about how Florida had a pretty good defender. Aaron Eckblad. Yeah, he's good. He's good. Yeah. I think you probably will make it, but he's career's young, so it could go up, it could go down. What about Max Doming? He won't be a Hall of Famer, I don't think. But I like his play. Yeah, man, this is fun. This is a good time. I don't think his dad should have been a Hall of Famer either, so. No, okay. But I also like his dad, even though he was a lead. Yeah, I know Ty was hard-knows hockey, buddy. Yeah. So I know we generally try to stay away from controversial topics, go to controversial topics for our podcast, but I want to bring one up because it's recent, and it's kind of got the country talking. And I don't know if we're being able to have differing opinions on it or not. Oh, okay. Well, I know where this is going, but continue. But what do you think of the non-chirifiring? Yeah, bad boom. I was waiting for you to ask me. Yeah, well, I mean, honestly, he should have been off TV a long time ago. Don, stick to hockey, man, you're paid to play, you're paid to talking about hockey and speak on hockey, not. In my opinion, your opinion on every social fucking issue that's facing society today, like, that's, I don't need your fucking opinions on that shit and how you feel about this. That's my, that's my take on it. Yes, Don, it's to be recognized. The man's done. He's been tireless for supporting veterans and speaking on behalf of veterans. And that's what can you say, man, that's very, very, all the power to him, but there's a very commendable because they've, yeah, they have been failed and we knew that. But for a long time, Don's made a lot of controversial statements and we are in a fucking sensitive cancel culture right now, but I mean, but even if we weren't, even if we weren't in a cancel culture right now, I think like he should have been fired years. That's so we're on the same page. There we go. I think it was four years ago. You said something about girls in hockey and he should have been fired for that. Well, this is what's happened now, as I've seen these compilation videos and people have done it and obviously clipped together all the worst shit he's ever said. It's not the right way to do it. It's disingenuous as well. I agree, but the sum of the stuff he said is, you know, you're like, what the fuck down? What the hell, man? So anyways, no, I'm not going to miss them at all, at all, man, not at all. I think you should have been on years ago. Remember, you got fired a bunch of years ago or some shit went down and then everyone was like, bring, bring back coaches corner. And this is what you get. And they need five days. I mean, look at look at how many times you was fired as a coach by the same team. Yeah, he's a bit of a, he's a bit of a guy. Yeah, right. I mean, I'm kind of conflicted because I do wholeheartedly believe you should have been fired. I wholeheartedly believe you should have been fired years ago. Because he's kind of a dinosaur, but at the same time, I did enjoy watching coaches corner. Yeah, I think a bit of it. Yeah, well, I did enjoy it sometimes. And but at the same time, I didn't, I didn't tune into Saturday night to watch Don Cherry. I wanted to watch the hockey here. Listen to it. Well, of course, the hockey is number one, but I mean, yeah. And Don, I think I told you Don's opinions on this or that. And, you know, keep that shit to yourself. I don't care about your opinion, man. And, and, and I would say 99% of his opinions. I had the opposite opinion of. Yeah. So that's why, no, to be honest, I wasn't really fan. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have gone out of my way to wish him ill will, but I didn't really tune in to watch Don Cherry know anything like that. But um, we're, here we go. 2019 better for better off for its year. I've not, no big loss in my opinion. No big loss gives you an opportunity to do something fresh and new and, and different. And that's what, you know, it's kind of what we need. So, no, no big loss. I see it's interesting because he is a figure, like a prominent figure in the hockey world, right? When you, when you think hockey, a lot of people, whether you agree with them or not, think Don Cherry and the coach is cornered, right? There's a lot of people in this country. A lot of people in this country that, that associate Don Cherry with hockey. Can't disagree with that. And because of that, that, that's, well, why he had to get fired. Um, right? Because we, we are in 2019 in an age where you have to be politically correct. Um, when you're on a national broadcast that essentially is a soapbox. Yeah, that boom, smart guy. You have to be politically correct. And, and I look, I, I feel bad. What in the world, I feel bad for? Who? I feel bad for Ron. Ron. Yeah. Because he has, he has to stand up there and say, I knew it was wrong. I knew what he said was wrong. I apologize for it. But he's on control of him. He has no, no power to say, you can't say that or you shouldn't say that. But he has to take the brunt of it now for the company because he's been for so many years associated with Don Cherry. That I think in a couple of months time, he won't be there. The end of the season. He'll be gone. Ron, you may be right. They may just, just totally flip the whole script on the, on the program. I don't think that's fair because I think Ron has done enough stuff himself outside of coach's corner. Like his hockey day in Canada, CBC or hometown hockey. Yeah, that kind of, he's been the face of that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But, but now I think at the end of the season, you'll, you'll see them quietly release that Ron has decided to step down because of, like, they'll come up with some reason, like, ready to move on or health or something, right? And, and all of, all of that work will then be tied to that one black spot that he had nothing to deal with. No, I don't think he, I don't think his fuel view Ron is being a bad guy or being the reason why Don got fired or the reason why this or that or why he was left on kept on still. I don't think really because, because Don, Don said that he felt that Ron threw him away. He buried him. He buried me is what he said. Well, that was his opinion. That's, that's, and again, that's Don Cherry's opinion to his opinion. I don't really care about it. I saw how it went down. I saw how Ron McLean handled himself. Yeah, I watched it after the fact. I watched it all after. I watched it all. I had to. I was inundated with it. It was everywhere. Yeah. So that's as far as it goes in my opinion, Ron's been have done anything differently. And he had to bite his tongue so fucking much. Next to that, next to Don Cherry that for years. And Ron came out. Yeah, he buried you, you know, how fucking fire you want to push a man? Dude's got morals. The dude's got morals. He's going to stand up for himself. You know what I'm saying? I remember, I remember in university, but even before I can remember watching hockey, net in Canada, and it'd be time for coaches corner. And you'd just see Ron off to the right side. Just like, sharing his head, bite his lip and like, biting his lip. Yeah, that's it, man. Try and say something. Yeah, you fucking buried your dude. I mean, or did he bury it? Or did he finally just have this kind of a, the gumption? Did he have to like finally say, okay, I gotta get away from this. Yeah, that's so I don't blame. I don't blame Ron. Ron at all. No, no, no. So I don't either, but I look at, like, I look at the amount of extremely right-winged people who are up in arms about the Don Cherry firing. And I can see them being on Don's side when he says he buried me. And then when Ron goes away, and like I said, I think it'll be sooner rather than later, Ron will be remembered for a moment that he had zero control over. Yeah. And I don't think that's right. I really don't. Like, for me, the biggest issue has nothing to do with Don, because as I said before, he should have been fired years ago. But I just, I feel really bad for, for Ron, because the dude, everything I've heard about him, he's always been the nice guy, right? The guy that, that, never says anything wrong, really. There he is, he's the company man, right? Yeah. And Don's always been the outspoken, often misguided, misinformed. Hey, look at me in my loud suits and my loud opinion and my loud personality. And I'm loud. I'm loud. And that's that soul form amid a lot of money, right? Yeah. But, yeah, every, you know, every product has an expiration date. Yep. And I think for me, a prime example of what that expiration date was, was when they stopped selling the rock and sock of DVDs. That was that was one, you know, there's an excellent example, man. Yeah, there's an excellent example. Because the hockey changed. It wasn't the, the loud big hits. The fighting thing says, yeah, it's the fighting world started to come in and no, we're not, this is not it, that we're a fucking, we don't want to be, we want to mark it as a fast finesse league on this fucking gladiator league. Which, I mean, I enjoy, I enjoy a fight as much as the next guy. I mean, I was talking about the Dersi Cup for bad. You could check. Do you know what I think? Do you know what I think was a big catalyst in the league? Really speeding up that decision and really putting in a lot of rules around that? What? The Todd Bertuzzi incident. Oh, yeah, that one was a bad one. That was a bad one. And that put a real black eye on the league. And I think after that, there was a real decision made with in the NHL to fucking, we're going to change the culture of hockey. Tell me this, in football, we get a lot of CTE talk. Yeah, yeah. When do you think we will start getting that in hockey? Soon. Because I'm looking at the last couple of years, there have been a lot of people who have suddenly died at relatively young ages that were hockey players during that era, era, of big hits, fights, and play to you. Yeah, play to you can't play no more, right? A good example of that is Paul Korea, right? Oh, wow. Yeah, there's a good example for sure. Everybody knows that image of him ex-hailing and seeing the frog on his visor, man, that's of that is. Yeah, everybody knows that image, right? Yeah, Scott Stevens coming across center, laying on his back, yeah, fogging up his visor, motionless man. That's a pretty, oh, not a good one. That's not, that wasn't, that was not good. Exactly. But that brings up my point is like, when do you think we'll get the discussion because we've seen younger guys like 39, 40, 45, suddenly die for whatever reason, some of it being suicide, some of it being drug overdose, some of it being whatever, right? A good one being monitor who used to play for the flames, right? Steve monitor, yeah. Yeah. A lot of tough guys mind. You can say, look at their boo guard, look at Ray Emory. Booger, or well, Ray Emory was a drowning ring. Well, listen, man, he fell right, he was a rock 'em, sock 'em, gold tender. He fought, he fought a lot. He falls in the category of these guys. And yes, it's been called a drowning, but I'll send you a thing. There was like a vice sports did a piece on what actually happened to Ray Emory and broke, nobody really knows. When I say nobody really knows, they know he drowned in the Hamilton harbor and his body was recovered from Hamilton harbor. When I saw, when I saw the story of Ray Emory, like when it is death, when I saw that he had drowned, it was like instantly, I was like, that doesn't make sense because everything I knew about Ray Emory is he was from that area and generally people that are around that area is like that know how to handle themselves in environments like that. Generally speaking, yeah, generally speaking. I grew up at a town that's all about fishing and hunting and like, even if you've never hunted a day in your life, like I have, like because I've never hunted because I'm in a chair and I can't get in the woods, right? But I still know how to handle, you know, could I shoot a gun? Probably not, but I know how not to do it. Yeah. And it's the same for people that are around water all the time, like my brother works on a boat. Every day of his life, I said to him, right? But you get to know how to handle yourself in these environments and the fact that matter is. That's a weird one. I'll send you this article. I'll have a read of it. We'll talk about that one a little later. People like that just, they don't just drown. There's something else there, whether there was some like storm, which from all that I've heard, there wasn't. So it's like, I don't know, it seemed kind of weird, but I'm not ready to call it like a conspiracy. No, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying they'd, yeah, no, no, no. I wasn't saying this is something, something it was dark or something, but I understand they, there was some stuff behind it. And I don't know if it, you know, it was depression or some mental illness. I'm not saying that because I don't know. Yeah, that comes back to what we were talking about, Rockham Salk of Hockey, Brain Injuries, CTE. He was a Rockham Salk of Goli. Or Ripon. Rick Ripon. Wow, there's another example. Yeah. So. And there was some controversy behind that one. Oh, I'll have to, yeah, I'll have to, yeah, that's right. That was again. 'Cause remember, remember, remember Kevin B. Exa for a long time was like, really preaching, look, take care of yourself after the Rick Ripon incident because, and you don't do that if you don't know there's something sketchy going on, right? And I don't, and I don't mean sketchy as in like, people that have mental illness or sketchy. What I mean is like, there's something deeper that's not being discussed from players of that era. Yeah. I wonder when it will finally be discussed. Right? Like, part of me is somewhat surprised. We haven't heard anything about Paul Carillo, like committing suicide or suddenly dying, right? Because he is so synonymous with concussion protocol. Yeah. In the NHL. Yeah. Like, there's a reason there is now a concussion protocol. And he is it. It's a trip, man. Yeah, that's a whole, that could be a whole other podcast episode. But on that note, I've got, I'm going to go, I'm going to give Charlie a walk and I'll give you a and buzz back and we'll see how this turns out. - All right, yeah.