Elena and Ash discuss a harrowing true crime case involving the disappearance of a family, including a pregnant wife and her two young daughters. The episode took place over three intense hours of recording, deeply traumatizing the creators emotionally—Elena cried four times during the session. The team faced technical failure when their recording file vanished, leading to a frantic recovery effort involving computer commands and forensic tools. Despite the loss, they eventually found a partial file that still showed a flat line, symbolizing the emotional void and absence of life. The case reveals extreme evidence of the suspect’s psychopathy: he poisoned his pregnant wife, abandoned his family, and showed no emotional connection, even during interviews. He failed basic parental responsibilities—denying knowledge of his children’s clothing, habits, or bedtime routines—and provided illogical, fabricated stories to cover his tracks. Officers noted his emotional detachment, mechanical responses, and bizarre behavior, such as claiming to have slept in the basement during a time when the wife was in Arizona. A psychic medium from Massachusetts independently described the family’s fate with chilling accuracy, raising serious questions about his intentions. The suspect’s cold, detached demeanor—especially in a call to a friend where he casually said “not too bad” when told his family was missing—reveals a complete lack of empathy. The case stands out not only for its brutality but for how the suspect’s actions and behavior indicate a deliberate, calculated shift from a caring father to a violent, emotionally vacant man. The team emphasizes that the case is not just about physical violence but about psychological erosion, highlighting how a person’s detachment can be as terrifying as the act itself. They caution listeners that the discovery documents are deeply disturbing and emotionally taxing, recommending they approach them with care. Ultimately, the episode underscores the horror of a man who, after years of being seen as a devoted family man, suddenly becomes indifferent, unfeeling, and dangerous—leaving behind only silence and grief.
- Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. - I'm Ash and this, this is morbid. (soft piano music) - Again, we gotta tell you guys. - Oh my God, guys. - Before we get into this absolute horror, and I know it's horror because I've done this once before. - So yesterday we recorded a over two and a half hour episode. - Almost three hours. - We spent almost three hours recording. I went to export the file and something happened where it was just not even a silent. You can hear me release the record button, so it goes, and then the rest is just complete silence. - We tried four hours last night to get this thing back. We got a microSD card reader to plug into the computer 'cause we're trying to recover lost files off of it. - We originally drew had a microSD reader. I called things in the computer, had like a space, and he's like, "Oh, I have one, I'm on my way." I was in goodness. - What? - But then that didn't work. It was hours last night. After three hours of recording, we had like hours of trying to do this 'cause we were just, this is a, I'm still so stressed about this because of this episode is fucking brutal. - It's a brutal episode. - This is an awful case. - In the first one, I cried four times during the recording and the first one. That's how brutal this episode is, so I don't go into graphic detail about anything, it's just the whole overarching thing of this, 'cause we're obviously gonna get into what happened, how this ended, his complete nonchalant demeanor about the whole thing. - Yep. - And so it was like, energy-wise, it was very taxing mentally to go through it. - It's just so heavy. - And then to have that for three hours, which like I realized like, you know, life could be worse. - Life could be much worse, just listen to the episode. But it's so shitty when you do something like that for three hours, which I know other people understand, and then to have it just gone. - And you're just gone. - Like we installed several different programs on the computer last night. Today, 'cause yesterday, I said after we went through the whole thing, I was like, we gotta walk away. - We gotta walk away. 'Cause one, I can't do this episode again right now. I don't have it in me. - No. - Like I can't just sit here and go through the motions, and this episode is too important, and it's too heavy. And so we were like, okay, we'll do it tomorrow. Let's just come back tomorrow. So today we come back, and then I was like, let's just try one more thing. Just one more thing, 'cause I'm just not willing to say it was gone, and we ended up coding. - We weren't coding. - We weren't coding. - We coded in terminal. - We don't even know what the fuck that means. - I didn't even know terminal was part of a computer. - She was like type, backslash, backslash. - F-F-F-F-E-P-E-G. I'm gonna wake up in the middle of an A, F-M-B, G. - And we're putting all these commands in, and then finally, at the end of everything, we get this recovery file on the desk. - All of a sudden it populates. - It says recover.wave, and we hold hands. - We don't even, like we don't hog, we're not, the only time we ever give each other a hog is if one of us is getting on a plane. - Yeah. - For some reason, we're like, it's upset. - We're not really upset. - I literally go, hold my hands. - And we just held hands and we opened it, and up popped a flat line again. And I fell to the floor. She did. I can confirm she fell to the floor. - 'Cause we just tried, so it's one of those things where you're just like, every time you try something, you're like, this is it, this is the one. - We are now recording on several different. - Yeah, this one's not going to be yours. - I am currently monitoring the wave form as this is going. - Because also this also happened when it was just us recording with no producer or anybody in the room, so there's that. - Yup. - So now we're staring at that wave file ourselves across the room. We have the monitor till it's mother's day weekend. And Eileen is like, well, just do it on Monday. I'm like, but I don't want you to have to worry all day, Sunday. Because after that last recording, I said I'm so glad to have Chris Watts out of my psyche. Like, I need to walk away from this. I need to get this out of my, it's gonna take me a minute to get away from this. Like, when I tell you I cried four times during the recording, I'd literally cried four times during. Had to stop and like, just because it's all so heavy. - It's too much. And so I was like, I can't wait to just put this out, put the information we need to put out and then just clear it out of my brain because it's really bothering me. - I am setting a timer right now for an hour and we're gonna pause an hour into this and just make sure everything sounds good. It's looking good, but I just want to make sure. So we're starting timer right now. - Yeah. - So there's that. So that's where we are. - All right. So you haven't heard part two yet, listener. - No, you haven't. - And just know that it's really fucking heavy in this guy. - It's heavy. - I said, I said so many things yesterday that maybe there's a reason why we weren't supposed to. - Maybe we went too hard at him. - I don't think we can go too hard at him. - I don't think you can. - But maybe, I don't know. Maybe we said something that the universe was like, I don't know. - You don't want that out there. Like maybe you just don't want that kind of vibe out there. I don't know. I mean, things happen for a reason. I maintain that he's a useless bag of shit. But I do too. - I'll probably say this. - All the same. - I was gonna say I'm probably just saying the same thing. I think maybe I was like, you know, trust me, we're gonna get into it. Don't worry. I'm stressed. Maybe it was just like yesterday, I was a little like, - Nugie. - I felt a little Nugie. - Okay. - Sometimes you just feel a little Nugie during the day. - There's been a lot happening. - And maybe that's what it was. - I was too Nugie. So maybe I was getting a little too. - Wasn't the right energy. - Yeah, maybe that's what it, I'm gonna go with it. - Today we had a nice little morning together. - Yep, we had dance class and the more not us. - Not our dance class. - Alina's class, dance class. - But yeah, so we even had a new drink this morning. - Yeah. - A blue jage is flew by. - Oh, that's a sign. - I love blue jage. - That's a sign. - And that correlates to my fun fact leader that I've already found. - Oh shit, 'cause I already said it. - 'Cause I already used it. - Oh, that's a beautiful one. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - We also had a crow fly by. - And that's good luck. - So there's our sign. So there's that. And before I begin this whole thing, I went back and I watched like a lot of the body cam footage from different angles, different officers. There's a lot out there. So I think like honestly, one of the reasons like the obviously the subject matter of this case will just shred you into pieces. - Yeah. - But I think also what really made this like so heavy for me is like the subject matter. And also the fact that we can see so much of the timeline and real time through body cam and all that. - And not only so much of the timeline, but so much of the non-chalance. - That's what it is. It's like what he was doing while this was going on. What he was acting like while this was happening. - Yup. - Being able to watch a family annihilator well before he gets caught in the aftermath of attending that his family is missing. - Yeah. - Is something that I, I mean, I don't know if we have ever been able to see before. This is the first one that I know of. I think it's one of very few. - Or the one that has the most that we can footage. - Yeah. - Because again, those discovery documents are just rife and horrifying. I'd like to say right now, I think I said in the last one like they're out there, you can see them and they are. But I'd love to caution you. - Yeah. - That they do include a lot of detail. There's autopsy reports. It's a lot and it'll like really weigh heavily on you. So like I care about you guys. And I don't want everybody spiraling into like a crisis here because like looking at those will fuck you up. They just will. So just do that at your own risk. - I think you're honestly, since I've heard this, I think you told us everything that people really need to do. - Yeah, I think I'm giving you the facts, but there's more detail in there that I just don't think needs to be gone over because it's not, it's too much, it really is. But also when I was watching Bodycam footage, 'cause again, all the different officers have them so you get the different angles. You get to see the other officers reactions to his answers or him just talking, talking, talking and how he's acting. And you can see how they're all looking at each other. Like they knew. They knew this guy was nefarious from the get-go, which obviously they're trained to do, but he didn't know himself, no favors. - Well, I was saying it too when we were talking about it, just like amongst ourselves. These officers probably have partners of their own, kids of their own and they're looking at this guy and they're like, you're not acting right. - No. - They know how they would react in a situation like that, at least they can kind of guess. What's funny that you say that is there's actually an instance where an officer officer Perez, I believe it is, tries to empathize with him because he connects it to himself in his own situation, person that he is in charge of. And what he gets out of it shows him everything he needs to know. - Yeah. So while I was looking at the Bodycam footage of them going in the house right after she was reported missing, I ran across this account and I don't know if they still do videos like this anymore, they have uploaded a couple about this case, actually recently it felt kismit. And so I don't know if they're still doing it like full time or whatever, but I wanted to shout them out because they're commentary, they go through the Bodycam footage like framed by frame. - Yeah. - And just kind of give their thoughts on it, they point out things and I thought they were really insightful, I thought they're what they were saying, like their feelings about it, [BLANK_AUDIO]
to mine so well that you feel very validated while watching it, because you're like, "Yeah, fuck this guy." And they have such a good banter together. Yeah, I think they're like best friends. Their names are Denty and Shaz, so it's D-N-T-Y and S-H-A-Z. Again, I don't know if they're doing this full time anymore, so I don't know what, but I recommend you go like take a peek at what they have to say, because I think they were just like really great to listen to about this. Oh, yeah. And they have great accents. I love that. I think people you want to hang around with and talk through these theories and things with. Yeah. So shout out to Denty and Shaz. Shout out. Or being a good channel. And I think they're on Instagram and YouTube and other places. So let's begin that one thing I found when I went back, because I went back into the discovery documents, and I think I went through 1,500 of the 1900 documents to insanity. And the only ones that I didn't go through were like a giant list of like, there were things like, you know, evidence lists and stuff that I just, like I had already seen certain pieces of it. When there's so many pages, like that, some of it is just like- Yeah. There's a lot of handwritten notes that you can't really decipher a lot. I did see one handwritten thing that I thought was very interesting. And I looked around. I said, this person has never come forward with what, who they are, which was kind of like a good thing, I think, at the time. I was like impressed by it. This psychic medium from Massachusetts, from our town, called the police. While they were missing, they had not even been like, none of this had come out. They didn't know what happened to them, nothing, and told the police the most detailed version of events that they believed happened. And it matches up almost exactly. Really? Like, they say that, like, you know, they're going to be found. I think they said, like, underwater or in liquid, which is like, how, what did you know that? Yeah, you didn't tell me this yesterday. The causes of death, they knew the time period, they, I mean, they just went, they really like, it was really shocking how accurate it was. And it's in the document, in the discovery document, it's like a yellow piece of paper to tell. So you know, one of the only pieces of paper that is handwritten, that is legible to read in the documents? Sure. Whoever transcribed that note. Yeah, it definitely was legible. But it's a psychic medium from Massachusetts who wanted to remain anonymous. Interesting. Which I thought was interesting, because usually that's not always the case. To me, if they're bullshit, then they want to slap their name on it. But if they're not, then they're just like, I want to give you this information, because this is what I got. Do that what you will. Because they're not getting anything out of that. Right. They're just tracing along. I had like, I had a notion, I was like, I wonder if it's this person, but I won't say who it is, because obviously they wanted to remain anonymous. Yeah. But there's only like, you know, it's Massachusetts, so I have my own notion too. But that was interesting. And then another thing I saw, which was horrifying, because things are going to get really horrifying from here on out, while Shenan was in North Carolina on that five-week vacation, she ended up getting very ill, like very ill, vomiting, like really sick. And it was when Chris had come to visit, so Chris, after the five weeks, or like during the five weeks at some point, at the end had come to stay with them for a few days, and then come home. It was when he got there, that she got very ill. So that's saucepan. And remember, he had flipped a switch. He had flipped a switch. Everyone had said that they were all over each other before he left, and that it was those five weeks alone without his wife and children, that he suddenly decided that that was the life he wanted. And he flipped. He took the mask off. It didn't slip. It didn't fall down. He took it off, and he launched it into the ocean. It was gone. Yeah. Because he was a totally different human. Right. Totally different man. Everyone around him, everyone around Shenan said they had no idea what happened. But it has to be, like, just such a scary thing to experience, that in and of itself before you even get to the horrific, the rest of this case, the end of it. That, imagine, like, that is your friend, and all of a sudden, this man that you've known her husband for years and years and years, you know him as one thing, and now he's the complete opposite. That's. While she's newly pregnant. Yeah. And has two young kids. Like, I would be terrified. Yeah. And I think they were. And then all of a sudden-- Well, and then all of a sudden, now she's missing. He showed up. Well, or not even. I'm saying, like, while she's in North Carolina, he showed up, and she's violently ill suddenly. Yeah. And when she's been fine, everyone thought it was strange. And one of the things that is in there that her family said, like, witnesses said, she said, was that while she was sick, usually, because everybody did describe him as this, usually he was pretty doting, and pretty, like, he was caring for that. Yeah, his mom said, like, yeah. That kind of bothered her. Oh, yeah, his mom pissed her off because he was so doting. He was so doting. But even, like, her mother was like, yeah, he was normally, like, very attentive and, like, took care of her. Like a husband. Like, you know, like a partner. That's how he's always been. And, like, that's how her friends saw him, too, like, and that's how she saw him. And suddenly she's 15 weeks pregnant and violently ill and he's, and she wrote in a text message that he just existed while she was like that, he didn't seem to care. And for someone to be, because John, like, just using this as a personal example, like, John is a very attentive husband. Yeah. Like, I can tell you, he is, if I'm sick, he's going to take care of me. It's not going to be just go upstairs and go lay down. He's going to take care of it. Yeah. He's going to order. He's going to make sure you're taking a tiny little toast. He's going to, like, do all the things, like, he's going to take the girls out of the house so you can get some quiet. Yeah. He's going to come back with, like, something for you to eat. Exactly. Like, he's that kind of husband. Right. If I got sick one day and he suddenly just didn't give a shit, just existed, that would wrong me for such a fucking loop. And it was like, if you're pregnant, like, that's when your husband or your partner is a million times more. Yeah. Attentive. Exactly. Like, that they wouldn't just stop all the sudden, like, if I got violently ill while pregnant, which, like, I was very lucky that I didn't have, like, any morning sickness while pregnant. I was not violently ill all the time. Hopefully, that runs in our family for one more time. I know. I feel very lucky that way, because I'm sure people listening are like, bitch. Like, I know. Trust me. Especially with twins, I should have probably gotten very sick, but I luckily didn't. And if I did, and he just didn't care, I would feel so, and this is what bothers me, like, I would feel so alone. Well, we were saying that yesterday, like, the thing that, so much of this case breaks my heart, but one of the biggest things that breaks my heart is, like, one, they were arguing at the end of their love, of shenan in the kids' lives, and she's expecting that he was cheating. She's expecting that he's cheating. So that's a nightmare. They're fighting all the time. And it's not only a nightmare for her, it's a nightmare for the kids. Because they're hearing their parents fight all the time when it doesn't really seem like they did fight all that often beforehand. No. So it's sudden. So it's like this weird changeup that everybody's in this like turmoil and tension at the end of their life. Like, that's because I was saying this earlier, when we talked about this yesterday, that I was thinking about it earlier yesterday, and I was like, you know, we as humans at the end of someone's life, if we're lucky enough to know that someone's at the end of their life. We are across the board. We try to make that person comfortable, comfortable, and peaceful, and happy, and we try to make those last moments the most peaceful, lovely, just special moments ever. Like we even do that for dogs. You know what I mean? Like if we know that this is it, we try to give them a last like great memory. We just do that. And these people in every victim of a violent crime, and I think it just never hit me on this angle. It's like this degree, shenan and Bella and Celeste, what horror, the end of their moments where, and it's like that is like really churning my stomach. Like it's like killing me inside like to think about it. And it's always bothered me when we talk about, of course, you know, murder cases, obviously, like that is not lost on me. Something about this one and seeing him and how he acted made it even more real and even more like hitting me in like this place, I didn't know I existed basically. Well, I don't think we've covered very many like family annihilator case, like, like, um, is like this when, you know, and specifically like when the husband kills the entire family. Because in our minds, like that's the person that protects the family. So it's for that to just be flipped on its head the way that it is in this case and kicked around in the mud. Well, and these, you know, the other thing and we'll get to it towards the end. I think that's like really weighing on me with this one is he had 45 minutes, can I actually talk? In fact, that was actually just wild that you said that when you did, I looked down at my phone and we have 45 minutes left on the timer before I checked the file. That was wild. That is very weird. That just like actually just gave me a chill. That's weird because he had 45 minutes in the car with Bella and Celeste alive. To change his mind. To change his mind. And he even said that he knew he had all that time and he said, I don't like why didn't I do it? Did he say like what was going, did he ever say what was going through his mind in those 45 minutes? No. Not that I read. I honestly don't want to read it too far. I just, I'm like, I, how do you not change your mind? If you can sit in a car for 45 minutes with a three and a four year olds, a little baby that's yours and do what he did to them after 45 minutes, I think that's the part that's like, because every murder.
is horrific, every family annihilation is horrific. We've just never, I've never come across one with a person drill for 45 minutes with their babies in the car alive and still decided to do it, no. I think that's like really getting me about this case is like, I mean they fell asleep, yeah. Like nothing, one thing, the amount of pictures on my camera roll of my kids asleep that I take creepily because when I go in the room to check on them, they just look peaceful and sweet. - They're most sweet and yellowy and sweet that they will ever look is when they're sleeping. - Yeah. - Like that just like, we'll melt you if you are a human being and he's not. - No. - He's a fucking concrete block of shit. Like he really is, he's nothing. He's nothing. He has nothing. What did you say yesterday? You said he's not even worth the molecules that build his body. - Yeah. - He's not worth them. He is not worth the molecules that make him up. He's just not, he's a waste of those. (upbeat music) - So they thought that it's back to when he's visiting in North Carolina and he doesn't care. - And he doesn't care. - She's sick. - Yes, you were saying. - This is the horrifying thing. He later admitted that he was slipping shenan-oxys in her drinks and things and in her food to try to encourage a miscarriage. And she's over three months pregnant. - Yeah. - She's 15 weeks pregnant. - He is trying to poison his pregnant wife without her knowledge to try to induce a miscarriage. Like what the fuck is wrong with you? - Which also miscarriages are horrendous. - Of course they are. - And to try to induce that in your wife and not far along is something I cannot comprehend. I'm like, that was the first step of evil. - Well, that I can't even comprehend. - Miscarriages are not, miscarriages are not only horrific but incredibly dangerous. Like she could have died. - Yeah. - And maybe that was the intention as well as. - But it's like, I said this so many times yesterday when we were talking, I don't understand why he didn't, and this would have been shitty too, but I don't understand why he just didn't get in his car and drive away and stand to his fucking life with Nicole or whoever the fuck he wanted to, just leave them. Obviously that's gonna be tough for them, but there's tools and they have a community that surrounds them that they'll be okay. - That's the thing, shenan and these girls had enough people around them that loved them deeply and had friends around them that loved them deeply that they would have had a patting. - It would have been hardful. - It would have been hard. - But it would have been awful. - It would have been the end of their fucking lives. - They would have been better off for it. They would have been better off for not having this man in their life at all. - And how do you not sit there? That's where it's like, we said this yesterday, like we hate to armchair diagnosed, but he's a psychopath. - I don't even think that's armchair diagnosing. - It's like he gets all in the face. - That's your business. - Because I don't understand. - He's a psychopath. - Absolutely. Because I don't understand that not occurring to him. - No. - Why can't, why, abandoning your family is in your mind worse than murdering them? - Why didn't you just leave? - Yeah. - But you know why? Because he didn't want his life to be interrupted. He didn't want to have to go away. - Well, and also if he leaves, he knows there's a possibility. - They'll track you down for child support. - You're always gonna have this tie to this responsibility, no matter what, even if you're not taking that responsibility on, it's still there. But he wanted it wiped out. - There's a million dads that don't pay child support. - Well, and also, how's that working out for you? - Right. - How's that working out for you in prison? - To build for you was better. - How's that working out for you in prison where we now know that you are in fear of your life every minute of every day. - Yeah. - How's that working out? - Yep. - You fucking piece of shit. - It's unreal. - So yeah, so there's that horrible fact, but I have to go back to some of the body cam because in the interim, I found more, and it's just too insane not to talk about. He's diabolically stupid. Diabolically stupid. - Anybody who says this man was smart or this man, 'cause also, I don't think he's autistic. No, a couple of people were trying to not everybody who hyperfixates on something and doesn't show a lot of emotion is autistic. He's a psychopath. - Yeah. - He's an evil psychopath and that does not correlate to autism. Maybe is, maybe isn't, nowhere in anything I found said that he was. So we're not gonna just label him autistic. - No. - And that was just something I saw that I was like, "Okay, we're not doing that." - You need a lot more evidence of a lot more different things. - And you know, it's much easier to call him a psychopath because that is a clearest day, exactly is. But he's stupid. If you blew in one of his ears and there was a candle at the other one, you blew the candle. - What? - Just a wind tunnel. So the investigators have him call the bank in the credit card. Like, this is right after they get to the house when they're in the house. When, right now, the girls fell in Celeste and Shenan and unborn baby Niko are missing. That's, so they say, "Hey, you should call the bank. You should call the credit cards, see if she's made any transactions, anything's come out of her account." And he says, "So he does." And you can see the wheels turning in his head. Like, "Do I answer this, truthfully or not?" And they're like, "Hey, like, did they say anything on the phone?" And he says, "The last one was on August 12th, then it was a taxi." Now, it's right now, when we're talking to him, August 13th. - August 13th. - They've been missing since that morning. August 13th. - When he saw her. - August 12th, the day prior, she was in Arizona and the girls were in bed. - Yup. - So that's not relevant. And I'm not saying, like, he said it like that. But then the way he says it, is he says it almost like, "There it is." She got in a taxi, everybody. And it's like, "Do you not remember what day it is?" - 'Cause, right. - And I don't think he did. - You saw her at 4 a.m. This was very nice. - Because she got home at 1.48 a.m. on August 13th today. - And also, they saw her this morning. Her suitcase is by the door. Her shoes are by the door. - Yeah, like she's been home. - Her car's in the fucking garage. - Here's the thing. I think he forgot what day it was. - 100%. - I also think, 'cause he- - He's also just a bad guy. - He was gonna do this shit. I don't know if he knew today it was the day he was gonna, actually, I do think he thought that through. Because as we'll get, there was something happening that day that I think he wanted to make sure it didn't go through. Quite yet. - Oh, oh, oh, oh. - And you remember, now, I shocked you yesterday with this. - Oh, I know. - So sad though, he can't, that I can't do this information. - There was so many shocking revelations yesterday, but now you know the, they'll still just be horrifying. - Very, I was gonna say. - But I do think one of the main things that needs to be pointed out again and again, is that Shannon's friends, like Nicole and Cassandra and Nate and all the people around her that made a big fucking stink about this to make sure that he got home, that the police were called, that this didn't go throughout the day, that they weren't waiting around to see if she showed up. All those people were the reason that he didn't get to formulate a better cover story, that he didn't get to get to cover up any of his tracks, 'cause they were blatantly out there. - And that everyone was immediately suspicious of them. They are the heroes in this story. They got, they came through for their friend. And that everybody needs friends like these people. - Yes. - Like Nicole Atkinson, everybody needs one. I'm like 100,000%. - Truly a thousand percent. - And it's just, he's just, and we're gonna go through it, what he did during the stay, that none of it makes sense. None of it makes sense. So they ask about the charge and he's like, oh yeah, August 12th, she got in a taxi and they're like, does it say where or what time or like what the taxi service was? 'Cause they're still thinking like, you know, at this point maybe they don't know that he's claiming that she was home this morning. - Yeah. - So you would answer in this instance 'cause you know that that was yesterday. - Yeah. - You would probably answer, well, she was in Arizona, so that might have been to the airport or something. - Yeah. - It's not from today. But he doesn't do that. He says, no, it just says taxi. - Like, oh, fuck. - Like he says it like, I think we've got a lead here, fellas. And even the fucking officer is like, well, that was yesterday. - Yeah. - So like, let's move on. - Right. - Like he tried to use that and you see him try to do this a couple of times, try, like he takes something that someone says and he's like, oh yeah, maybe that was it. And it's like, you're a dumbass. 'Cause everyone is giving you little tethers to grab 'cause they wanna see how you react. - Exactly. - It is to talk to you. - Every single person around you is smarter than you. - Yep. - He also said there was a $27 charge at Target on August 13th. - I said, that's an act of self-restraint. It really is $27. But obviously by August 13th, should we now know that Shenan was no longer alive? - 'Cause they're like a pending charge. - So it probably just took a bit to show up. But either way, he is so pleased to be able to say this 'cause he makes it seem like, well, she must be out at Target. Like she ran away with the kids and she bought something at Target. - It's like, yeah, she got her go-bag and for $27. - Yeah, and didn't bring any of their medication. - Yeah. - With them or her seats. - Or her purse, their car seats, anything she wore, any of their clothing. - Nothing of that. - Like, no, her cell phone.
Yeah, well, okay, but the investigator calls them out. The investigators like, yeah, those charges take a couple of days to show up. That probably wasn't from today. I said, I'm a frequent farmer. You can really see these investigators just going, good try. Yeah, good try. Now, they ask this, this one drives me crazy. And I got John to validate this one for me. He's on my side. I'm sure not everyone's going to feel the same way, but this personally hurt me. The investigators ask if the girls had a favorite pair of shoes. They like to wear a lot. He said, just a pair that they love to, like a go-to pair of shoes. And he says, no. What the actual fun lies, lies. I know all of those girls, townstairs, I know all of their favorite shoes. Yeah, that's a fail. Immediately. You have two little girls. I know someone isn't evidentably going to tell me I'm wrong because their kid doesn't have a pair of favorite pair of shoes, and that's fine. You're in the minority, I think. The likelihood of two gals with a fashion loving mama, which was clearly what Shenan was, not having a go-to favorite pair of shoes. That's crazy work to me. Incorrect. And it's the way he answers. I will say it a million times and I don't care. My body would not be able to form a smile during my family being missing. It would just forget how to do it. I would just be in a state of absolute terror and terror. I would be Nicole Atkinsonis, which she's seen on the body. You watch that body cam footage. You can see the moment that she sees that her medication is still there. That should end. It clicks for her. And you can see that that is a real. That is someone who loves someone that is missing right now. She grabs her heart and she starts kind of just looking around. Like, oh, fuck, this is really happening. She has the reaction of somebody who loves somebody deeply. Love to those girls. Loved Shenan. And now knows something is bad. And you can see it all over her face. And it shook me like watching them in reaction. And watching that one little clip. You feel like you shouldn't see it. I know. Because it's such like a real moment of. It's a raw. Of grief. And it just sticks with me. I can see it in my brain. But what happens is when they ask about the shoes, he goes, "No." And smiles. Like this big cheese smile. Like, now. What do you mean? I don't know shit about my kids. What do you mean? Like, and then he brings them over to a closet. And he's like, "No, I just tell them to go get their shoes." And I'm like, "Okay." But they probably usually get the same shoes. That's how kids work. But he stands in front of the closet. And he goes, "Bellas are on this side. Silas are on this side." And just sitting there looking down at these little baby girl shoes all over the floor. And there is nothing. There's nothing. And we all know what he did to the baby. All know what he did to have nothing. Nothing. Looking at like, there's no life. There's no life. Nothing. How? I would be so bad. How? You're not a dad. And especially even these people, he's trying to make them think that they're just missing. Even if they're just missing, I'm breaking down at the side of their little shoes. Yeah. I'm breaking down. You wouldn't even be able to direct them to the closet. Like, you would be able to walk over with them and look. You just feel like they're in the front closet over there. I feel like I can't look. I'm going to lose my mind. Like, I'm going to lose my mind. Like, I'd be holding shoes. I'd be like, I'd be a mess. Like, I'm mess. He doesn't even have a slight, and it's these kind of things that when you watch this body cam footage, we'll fuck you up. It's just like-- It's not graphic. It's not gruesome. It's not that shit. It's him. It'll fuck you up the cycle. Like, the sausage-- Psychologically, damaging part of this is watching him not take. It's how vacant he is. It really is. And when he is lying, or when he's getting asked something that's difficult for him to answer, he has a tell-- A couple. Where he has a couple who closes his eyes. He'll blink a lot. He does this thing with his jaw, where he kind of does like an under-bite rigid thing. Yeah. And he does it a lot. He does it a lot during these surveillance video, like showing when Nate is there. Yep. He does it during the interview, and he does it here when he's trying-- I think it's when he's trying to like calm his nervousness. He's doing it right now, actually. Yeah, but yeah, I hope he is. Yeah, I hope he's in a permanent state of her-- Lockjaw. Yeah, just straight-up lockjaw. But it's very interesting. He does it here. They walk into the bedroom, the main bedroom, and they see that he has stripped the bed entirely. Now, remember, I just want everyone to remember. At this point, he had not been home. He left for work at what he said was 515, 530 in the morning, leaving his wife and bed in the bedsheets and everything, and then he went to work. The first time he got home, why is the bed stripped? And where is everything? And he says it's because she had airport on her. Yeah, he said, well, she had gotten home last night's straight from the airport, so she would have wanted to do that. At four in the morning? Well, he's trying to say like, she would have washed them, but in that case, they would have found them in the washroom. Everybody say it together in the wash machine. Yeah. So instead, they found them in the trash, and they didn't even find all of them. Nope, find them in the trash. They found the fitted sheet, right? And it was missing the top sheet. Yeah. And we will find out why later. And the girls' beds were missing their sheets, too, right? Yeah, the girls' beds were missing certain sheets, and then later they ended up being made. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he switches that all up. What? Yeah. So he tells them that they had a discussion at 4 a.m. when he woke up. So he woke up. He woke her up at 4 a.m. after she got home at 1.48 a.m. So she had probably slept for less than two hours. Yeah. And he wakes her up at 4 a.m. to talk about separating and selling the house. Awesome. And he said, and when they were like, why, why'd you choose 4 a.m.? Like what the day? So she got home from a trip was then 2 hours earlier and was asleep. And you woke her up to tell her like, hey, fuck you. Essentially. And they were like, and he was like, well, I didn't want to like text her like, you know, that's that. Or do it when I got home from work. Why would you have to text her? You live with her, right? Just wait until you get home from work when you can actually like wait until you put the girls to sleep and then have a discussion. He cannot put one in one together. He is the dumbest fucker I've ever heard. And again, kudos. Like thank to shenan's friends for making it. So he has to think on his fucking feet because one thing Chris stupid ass wats can't do is to think on his goddamn feet. Yup. That's one thing. That man is I pick things up and I put them down and that's as far as he can think. Yup. He's a true idiot. And it also has nothing to do with the fact that he likes cars. Oh my god. Or that he's a automotive technician or whatever he was. Because guys. Drew also works with cars. And we never said that they were stupid. No, nobody ever said that. Yeah, if I'm saying somebody is stupid. I mean, the murderer is stupid. It's not the job he does. Not the industry as a whole. I literally just said cars. And that is, and you guys took that. And we're gonna take a couple of people to him. But I was like, we'll make a couple. Please just know that we are never personally attacking you when we're talking about a family annihilation. No, it's not about you. Yeah, don't make a fight family annihilation about you or about cars or anything like that. About cars. It's about this dumbass piece of shit. And what it is about is shenan unborn baby Nico Celeste Bella. That's who it's about. Period. But I just had to put that out there. That we're not saying if he works with cars, you're stupid. He is stupid by nature. Exactly. He'd be born stupid. That's what he was. TM. So yeah, so he's an idiot. So they're like, they're like, that's crazy that you did that right before work. But they're like, sure. All right. OK, they'll do stupid things, I guess. And they ask about they're like, oh, you know what, we saw a bed in the basement. What's that about? And they said, this is kind of fitting. They said, no, no. You're saying that you were talking about separating. Like, I'm assuming she kicked you out into the basement a couple of times. Yeah, the sleep there. And he's like, yeah, we had some marital problems. Which like they did. Yeah, and this wasn't. When I say the switch was flipped before she went to North Carolina, they had some marital problems. It just wasn't like exploding. Yeah. And it was more like financial stuff. And it was more, you know, things with his family and like, that kind of shit. And like, in the end, they always came together and they always kind of like worked through it. The switch was flipped when it was like, he just stopped caring about her. And he just like wouldn't touch her. Wouldn't go near her. He wasn't even really arguing anymore. So that there was some marital problems. But he said sometimes he would sleep down there. And they ask when the last time was he slept down there. Now he says, I sleep down there when we have marital problems, when I can't sleep in my bed with her. Yeah. So she has to be in the house when we're talking about that. They say, one's the last time he had to sleep down there. And he goes probably two nights ago, three nights ago. Oh, well. Would you sleep down there when it was just new? Honey, she was in Arizona during that time. He also says, and that this is a whole other part of it. One, she's in Arizona. Two, he's always saying in this body hem footage that he's got to be upstairs when the kids are in bed. Because that's where the monitor is. Yeah. So the kids are in bed on the third floor and you're in the basement? No. What? Because also you didn't even hear this part. He catches himself. Yeah. He knows that that's not true. And he also knows that makes no sense. Exactly. Because he just said he had sleeps down there when he's in trouble with his wife. Right. Who is in bed? You just slept there for fun. Catch it.
himself. He says, "Two nights ago, three nights ago." Well, when she was here, so probably Thursday or Friday. So he catches himself mid-lie, realizes, "Oops, I just bucked up here." And then he's like, "Well, it was once she was here." Obviously, because I did just say that. Like, and you can see one of the officers, I think it's- He covers his mouth. He covers his mouth, and you can tell he's looking at the other officers like, "Fuck, this guy is not only a monster, clearly. He's a fucking idiot." Yep. Like, they're all like, "How does he survive?" Well, they're all looking at each other like, "Oh, wow. We're standing in a family annihilator's house." And I do wonder, like, when you watch it, because you, again, I'm going to read some of the reports to where they put their own opinions and what they were feeling in there and saying, like, "I thought it was strange that he acted this way." Like, it does make you wonder while the officers are standing there, like, next to a play kitchen and the living room, like, a little pink play kitchen. If they're just looking at this guy, I mean, like, "Oh, he might have killed his little girls." Yeah. And we're just sitting here having to listen to his dumbass come up with every lie under the sun. And you have to be, like, somewhat cordial to get the information out of him. That's, like, though. Not even the correct information, but to catch him in these fuck-ups. And you have to find proof. So it's like, you can't even accuse, like, outright. Like, you have to just have to play a part for a while. Yeah. It's, like, that, that, in this particular face, I'm like, damn. But again, you can, you can see it on their faces, especially because the next thing they say, which I thought was really cool, like, a good idea, they were like, "Hey, okay, like, your marital problems are your business," like, whatever. And they're like, so maybe she just doesn't want to talk to you. Like, maybe she did leave and she's mad at you and she doesn't want to talk to you. So she, maybe her friends are covering for and saying that, you know, she's not with them because she just doesn't, like, telling you your fucking face. So they're like, so why don't you call your friends and tell them if she is with you? I don't need to know. But just please have her call to police so that we can know that she's okay. She does not have to talk to me. She can talk to the police. Right. And he's like, got it. And then he's like, have you called all of her friends? You've called everyone you know? And he's like, yeah, I've exhausted all the friends I know. And then he goes, but Nicole, her friend, like, her friend Nicole at consent, she probably knows more because she's a woman. What? You said this. And I said, what? You know women literally says, Nicole, because like, woman, like, we just know more people. We, I'm sorry, we have friends. Like, I don't crack of our community. You know us women, always friends. Like, I don't, what does that mean? Always knowing people's names. Like, yeah, baby. What is that? Like, I was like, you, you can't. What is that? And he says it like, you know, like, fucking women, like, I don't know if that was, that was what you thought it was. Probably not in the police officers or even like, I think they're like, what was that? What do you mean? Like, are you trying to be like, what was that? So they're like, hey, he's like, there is somebody else I can call. So he call, he makes a call to someone. This shook me to my core because he says, now, if you were calling someone in this instance, you would say, hey, I'd be like, hey, it's Elena. Like, this is urgent. This is really like, I just need to tell you this, like, John and the kids are missing. Have you seen them today? Yeah. I just need to know. Like, that would be, it would be like, hey, this is who I am. This is what's going on. Okay, call me. Right. No. He calls and says, hey, it's Chris Watts. Not too bad. Hey, have you seen Shenan today? Not too bad. I didn't add the not too bad in there. That's exactly how he says it. It's on, it's, it's recording. Hey, it's Chris Watts. Not too bad. The person obviously says, hey, Chris, how you doing? Not too bad. Not too bad. Not too bad. You're whole family is missing. Your entire family is missing. Not too bad. Your entire family is missing and there is no evidence that they left of their own volition. I would love to see him on a good day. I'm like, what did you know human being acts like this? No. If they are innocent, or even, or if they're trying to act innocent, because that's the other thing you're trying to act innocent. You're standing in a, yeah, your house full of cops. And they're watching you take this phone call and respond to how are you with. Not too bad. Not too bad. And then he's like, all right. Okay. Talk to you later. Talk to you later. He's smiling. If you like, he's smiling. It is unbelievable. And it's in front of all these officers who are looking at each other like, did he just say not too bad? Like, what the fuck is that? It's unbelievable. So even, so again, this is when to like Nicole points out because she's a good friend. She's like, wait, she has medication. She takes all the time and her purse is sitting on the counter where it shouldn't be if she left her own volition. So she's like, let me check in her purse. So she checks in her purse. And she's like, you can see there's like this glimmer of hope. No, there's glimmer of hope in her face where she's like, maybe it's not in there. Maybe it's, if it's not in there, that means maybe she grabbed it. Right. And she's looking and then she can see it drop. And she just says it's in there. And she, and you can tell like, she's like, fuck. And that's when she like grabs her heart. She's pacing around like the other officers go in another room and they're looking through things and they're like, Hey, like, so these two little girls were on like nebulizers. And they had asthma and had like an inhaler and all of it is here. And these are things they would need with them. Like, you can see them all sitting there going, how is this guy trying to act like you're too bad? And that's how you know, like he thought he was going to get home from work that day. He was going to be able to wipe that place clean. He thought he was going to get rid of all the medicine. He was going to get rid of her purse. Maybe stash your cell phone somewhere. He was going to get rid of anything that would have indicated that they couldn't have left on their own. And then his story was going to be that they abandoned him and that he could never find them and he could never see his girls again. That was going to be his story. And her friends said, fuck off. I don't think so. Because not only that, her friends all say everyone around her says and her family says they loved Chris. They did not. This wasn't one of those situations that were like, we just tolerated Chris because he was always wearing his mask. They loved him. He had the mask on the whole time. But this is one of those unique situations where everyone loved him. And then when that mask was tossed away, they said, well, I don't know who the father says. That's too big to deny. Like none of them could ignore it. So all of them said, I never would have thought this. But yeah, now I do think he did it. Like that's how bad he was and how he just let the evil just completely take over when he did this, when he decided he was going to do this. He just let it leech out and nobody could deny it. Even people who had loved him like a son. It's like his, it was honestly his family was the only ones that it fooled. But even while talking to officers the next day, because remember when we were talking about the porch interview, the infamous porch interview that cooked his ass, he said the only memory he could come up with of how what he misses about his children, finish your dinner. You don't get a treat yelling at them about not eating dinner and not getting a dessert and shoving them on their own couch to watch their own show. Not I miss snuggling them. I want to grab them and hold them and smell them with them here their giggles or lay with them when they sleep. I want to run around with them with the morning. Like nothing like that. Just I want to make, I want to tell them, I want to disappoint them and tell them they can't have dessert. Today, he had another one. Oh, he said, um, he just misses when they would throw chicken nuggets at him. That took me out. That absolutely fried me. Like that's how you know, like he hated this. You have to try to human better in this kind of situation. Because he's not safe. For some reason, these are the only memories that he can conjure because all he can think right now is, oh, man, fuck, I'm free of all. I don't have to do any. I don't have to tell them to eat their dinner anymore. I don't have to sit there and watch bubbleguppies while they're on their couch and I can't watch my show. And I don't have to sit there and get pelleted with chicken nuggets, even though that's fucking hilarious. Exactly. He doesn't want that there's no, he can't conjure an actual memory of him caring about them and having a sweet interaction with them. Because he just doesn't care. Because he's so happy to be free of them, which is so fucked. I'm glad he didn't know how to human in this scenario. Because he said he sunk his own shit. Because like whatever Google search he did to learn how to act like a grieving father, it failed him so spectacularly that I'm so glad he did. He was too busy looking up lyrics. He couldn't, he could not human in this moment. And he says, and then they're like, hey, what did the girls usually wear to bed? Like what? Oh my god. Now he's been a father of girls for four years. Yep. If fathers of girls out there or just little kids who like to wear nightgowns, you know what a nightgown is. Correct. Because you have kids that wear nightgowns. Even people who don't have kids, I think could say they know what a nightgown is. They're like, hey, just like one of the officers is like, do you know, do they wear nightgowns? Do they wear like PJs usually? Like what do they love to wear? What are they wearing last night. And he was like, they were like. they have like dresses that they go to sleep in. - A nightgown dress. - That's literally what a nightgown. - It says it in the name, nightgown. - That's what that is, a dress that you sleep in at night. He's so stupid. - And you know, like Shenan was like, "Oh, can you grab me that nightgown?" Or like, "Hey, can you toss your nightgown in the longgown?" - Like, you know what it is, you know what it is. And then he's like, "No, I don't remember what they went to bed in last night." And even one of the officers is like, "You put them to bed though," you said, 'cause Shenan wasn't home. You had to get them in the PJs. - You don't recall. - I always remember what the fuck they're wearing. - Yeah. - Like, you have three to keep track of. - Like, you put them in the pajamas. You remember what pajamas they're gonna be? - Not only that, you put them in the pajamas. You also check on them throughout the night. - That's the other thing. - Later on, he's sitting there saying you check. He's upstairs because he's checking in on the monitor. - I always check on the kids. - Every, so many parents, I know. Your kids are at my house. I go in there three times through the night. - Exactly. - If I wake up, I'm like, "I should go check on them." - I should just go check on them. And I know what they're wearing. - You know what they're wearing? Like, you put them in it. Like, it's like, "Come on." So that's stupid. He just doesn't want to give them anything. And when canine officers come, this is what the report says. Now, the canine officer came in and it says, while speaking with Chris about appropriate items, such as shoes and clothing, the canine officer stated the importance of the items not being touched by anyone else. Each time Deputy Koch asks Chris about specific items, he mentioned that he had in some way touched them. And you can see it in the video. She's like, "Okay, like, we're gonna need this so we can have like their scent on it." And he's like, "Well, I did touch that." Well, I did throw that in the laundry. Well, I did rub my body all over that. Well, I did spit on that. Well, I did clutch that. Well, I did walk around with that. You touched every item in this house. - Why would you do that? - After she specifically told you not to. And it's just physically not possible. You didn't touch everything that they own in the last show. 'Cause they're like in the last, like, however many hours. Like, and he's like, "Yeah, last night I just touched the gutty of the house." - I've just been rolling through this house. - I literally touched everything in this house. - It has meaning in devil. - Because he doesn't want them to think that he can get a clear scent. And he wants them to know my scent will be on everything. And not because I did it, but because I just touched things all the time. - Just like your scent is probably gonna be on there anyway, motherfucker, you live in the house. - Yeah, you're their dad. - Hello. - And husband. - But one of the most egregious, and this is what I was mentioning earlier, was an officer Perez tries to like empathize with him. - Yeah. - He's like, "Hey, man, like I have a seven-year-old nephew and I took him in." And he literally says, "I'd be going bat-shit crazy if he was missing." And he says, "I can't imagine two daughters." The entire time he is saying this, Chris doesn't look at him. He's texting on his phone, which he is always texting on his phone. - Well, you're always texting. - And not even paying attention doesn't say anything, barely answers him. In the report that he wrote, he wrote, "Officer Perez commented to Chris that he can't imagine what he is going through. While speaking with Chris, he showed no emotion and he did not seem to respond appropriately to the situation." Chris did not ask any questions or offered to help at any time. Chris's facial expressions rarely changed. However, when they did, he seemed to smile, slash smirk inappropriately, displaying a lack of empathy. Specifically, when speaking about his children. - Why are you smiling? - His voice remained low and even toned. His nonverbal cues were very apparent. Chris had a very erect and almost tense posture and his arms crossed a majority of the time. Chris lacked eye contact and appeared to be nervous looking around constantly. - That's them. - Just looking at him. - Well, that's the other thing. Like, with them saying he doesn't have any fucking appropriate emotions, he doesn't cry once. - In any interview with the media. - In any body-cam footage, interrogation, looking at the security footage, looking at his baby girl's little outfits and their closets, walking into Bella's purple room with butterflies all over it. Nothing. What the fuck is wrong with you? - Literally nothing. - How do you not have a single human emotion? - And I need you guys to see and I maybe we'll be able to post it. The body-cam footage of Officer Perez trying to engage with him. He barely looks at him, barely looks at him. And when he says like, "I'm so sorry," like, "I don't know how you feel." He never says like, "Thank you," or like, "I appreciate it." And I think it was like our friends that I mentioned there before, denty and shaz. - Yes. - They mentioned, and I was thinking too, at the end of all this, you see the canine unit leave. And they say like, you know, like if you need anything, give us a call. Well, we're gonna work on this. We'll let you know, Vola. Not once does he say, "I appreciate it." Thank you. - He's just like, "Yep." 'Cause he just wants everybody to get out of here. - And he just like can live his life now. - These people are supposed to be helping you, find your missing family. You'd be like, "I appreciate it so much." Thank you so much. - Thank you, I'll be here. - I'll be on my phone on. - Like, if you need anything from me, I'm right here, like, you know where to find me. Like, one of them's like, do you have my number? And he's like, "I don't know." And he's like, "Do you want it?" Like, "Do you want to have a connection?" - I can't even imagine. - Trying to find your kids. - I can't imagine being an investigator on the other end of this. - It must have been so fucking inferior. - It also just must have been the, like, I don't know how to respond to people when they act strangely. Like, like, I've never come across anybody quite like this, but just in a way where I'm like, "What?" Like, why are you-- - I think you have to get a moral response. - But I think that's what happened. I think everyone was thrown at. You can tell everyone's like, "Very pull it off." - Not even knowing how to react to him. That's how I would feel. - And Officer Koonrod, who has like a lot of, a lot of the body Kim footage just from him, his report is very telling. - One part of it says, "Christopher gave us consent to check Sinan's phone." It had an alert which stated the garage door was open at 1242 hours. Detective Baumhober took the phone to the Frederick Police Department. Christopher showed me his phone which shows alarm times when the doors are opened. It sent an alarm at about the same time stating he had left the open, opened the garage door. Christopher told me that at least three times, which felt unusual. Sinan's phone showed an alert at 1242 hours for the garage door, which is the only way someone could leave the residence. Christopher's demeanor was nonchalant. He asked one time if he should go look for his family. I advised him her car was at the residence and I needed him there for now. - For now. - He did not. - For now, and that was right when he got there. - Yeah. - He did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned. Nicole and Nathaniel said they both felt Christopher was extremely nervous. Nathaniel said he had heard Christopher numerous times in the past yelling loudly at Sinan. Now, another friend described as one of Sinan's best friends, spoke with investigators and said she lived with them at one point just for a short period of time and she helped out with the kids like that stuff. Her name was Christina. Christina said their marriage began to change when Sinan was in North Carolina. Chris began to get aggravated with the kids around him. All of a sudden? - Really? - She said Chris used to put Sinan in the kids first. Chris began to not touch or ask Sinan about the baby. Christina said that when they were separated for the five weeks, she was in North Carolina. Chris came back to Sinan a different man. So see, everyone's like, what the fuck? Christina said Sinan had a routine and was a bit OCD. She advised everything was in order, even what she wore as clothes. Christina described Sinan as very protective of the kids. Christina did believe they struggled a bit financially, but Sinan wanted the marriage to work out but said she couldn't fight for it without his help. Christina described the girls as being very light sleepers because of where the girls slept above the garage of the house. They wouldn't open the garage in the morning. Christina said Chris would usually go out the front door. She said if there was an argument when she got home, the girls would have woken up. So she's like, that doesn't make sense to me. Christina used an example of when she lived with them. She said she had to leave early one morning so they had parked the car outside the garage the night before. And Sinan was worried just turning on the car outside would wake the kids. Wow. So they're really, really light sleepers. So they would have heard an argument in the morning. Of course they would have. Now this tells me the more time he spent with the mistress as well without the responsibility of a wife and kids, the more annoyed he was by the responsibility of a wife and kids. He was getting more and more annoyed because he was getting what he wanted and he wanted to just snip it and start this new life. It also tells me that him pulling up to the garage that morning and backing halfway into the garage, Nate and his wife and all those people were correct and Nicole and her son and everybody who said no, he never does that. He's also never parks in the driveway with that truck 'cause it will leak oil. And he didn't want oil on the garage on the thing. Not something he would do. What I also think about like starting a truck versus starting a car, trucks are loud. So he would park it like out front. Right, so him saying like, wow, just pull it out. Like, no, everyone knows you don't do that. And the several reasons why you don't do that. And not only that, the security footage showing that you don't exactly. Now, Officer Goodman called Chris several times during the next day to talk about like, you know, physical traits of shenan and a Celestin belt. To investigate, to investigate, to try to send out to people like scars they had, you know, like any young look out for this. Yeah, distinguishing features. He said he called him several times and he didn't answer. So investigators are calling him several times while his family is missing and he is not answering. He's not at work, by the way. And how are you not on standby? He then called back and said, sorry, something was wrong with the phone. No. Your first thing would be, hey, oh my God, I'm so sorry. First of all, you should, that shouldn't have been a thing. But if it did, like something was wrong with the phone, oh my God, I'm so sorry, did you hear from that?
them. Have you found them? Do you know what's going on? No office or goodman literally wrote in the report. It should be mentioned that once I had made contact with Christopher, he did not ask me if I had been calling because I had any information concerning his missing wife and daughters. Or if I was calling because they had been found. To be on his end of that phone call must have been, you must, he must have just been sitting there wide. Like, is this mother fucker being so for real right now? You would have, I wonder if he did. I wonder if he was like, do you want to know if we have anything? Yeah. I feel like you wouldn't be able to help yourself. I would have to say it. I'd be like, do you want to know what's going on? Do you want to, do you want an update? No. Never asked. That's psychotic. It is psychotic. So the day they went missing, he also spoke with Shannon's mother, Sandy Christ did. And this is what it says in the report. God. So Sandy was upset. And this is like it from the investigator is writing this report. Okay. So he says, Sandy's was upset and told me that she and her husband believe that her daughter and granddaughter's disappearance involved foul play. And that she honestly believes that her son and law was involved in the disappearance of her daughter and granddaughter's. I can't. That shook me. I can't imagine. Well, we said yesterday, ma would never for a second of either of us went missing or would never think John would never think true. No, not for a minute. And it's not because again, Christopher acted this way all the time. It's because she is seeing the mask on. And she's calling it what it is. These are all people that have their fucking eyes wide open. And he is so unlucky that she was surrounded by people that have their fucking eyes wide open. And that are also unafraid to take a quick little leap out because this is tough. Of course, this is a tough situation for anybody wants to say, oh, I think my friend, no one wants to accuse this man of killing his whole family. That's not the first thing you want to do regardless of what you're seeing, especially when you've known him for years and years and years. So that's how bad it must have been. And how bad the switch must have flipped for them all to go, I think he had something to do with him. And so she said that Christopher is acting weird and out of the ordinary. She said that Christopher is telling people he has to go to work. And that just doesn't seem right. Because why would you not be home if they show up? Right. She felt that he in this, okay, this is the part you should know ahead of time that Sandy and Shanann spoke every day. Yeah. They were very close mother-in-law connected. They were very connected. And this will tell you right now how connected she was to Shanann and how connected she was to Bella and Celeste. Because this gave me a full chill. I already know what you're going to say. And I'm getting like pre-gills. She said she felt that he is going out to poor oil on the bodies to dispose of them somewhere. To be that in touch with the reality of this nightmare is some next level momma shit. That is so unbelievably intuitive. But I don't even know. I hate that she even had to be that intuitive. I hate that she felt that. But like she spot on, spot on. She also said that she felt when Shanann had come home late from the trip and had been exhausted and that she and Christopher had argued. But due to Shanann's loopess, she would not have been able to put up a fight. Which also she didn't have any defensive thoughts. No, and I didn't even think of that until I read this. I was like, oh my god, you're right. She's been on a work trip. She's been on a plane traveling. She's pregnant. And loopess fucks you up. Lucas is a hard auto-immune disease to deal with. And it's a stress. We'll bring it on. And she's under enormous stress lately with everything that Christopher has been putting her through. And he's been putting her through hell up and down. So it's like that puts her in such a flare up. I'm sure it horrified me. Now during the time going back to the day she went that they went missing, this fucking loser was googling song lyrics. I cannot with this part. I literally cannot with this fucking part. Like three hours after he had dumped them in an oil field. And what he was googling was "Battery" by Metallica. Now, "Battery" by the way is what those big oil tanks and that like whole thing, it's called an oil battery. Oh really? Oh yeah, I didn't even know that. Yeah. And just to be clear, there's always going to be the person who's like Metallica made him do it. No, for decades Metallica has had people loving their music and listening to their music and one guy does this and then Google's lyrics that does not make a Metallica's fault. No. And we cannot take this away from being Chris's fault and Chris's fault alone. But the actual lyrics are scary, considering it's not in this context. Obviously Metallica did not write them about a family annihilation. But when you put it with him looking up these lyrics, it just also makes them such a loser. Yeah. Because it's like you're looking up lyrics. Like what? After you massacred your family. So part of the lyrics are crushing all that coward. "Battery is here to stay. Smashing through the boundaries, lunacy has found me. Cannot stop the battery. Pounding out aggression. Turn into obsession. Cannot kill the battery. Cannot kill the family. Battery has founded me. Cannot kill the family." It's gonna say, "You can't even save that Metallica made him do it." Because they said, " Cannot kill the family." And he looked that up specifically so he could sit there and be like, "Yeah." Like feel some like just like rock out. They get me. They don't. They don't. I'm speaking for all of Metallica right now. They don't get you. They don't get you. No. And they do not like you. No. I know that. No one does. And fuck you for looking at Metallica lyrics. Like fuck you. After you kill your whole family, you look up Metallica lyrics. You don't deserve Metallica. And when asked about this, because obviously it showed up in his fucking search history because he's an idiot, which is weird, he said he looked these up because Nicole Kessinger, his mistress, asked him about the lyrics to this song and wanted to know the meaning. She has Google as we're well aware. She could in her two hours of searching up wedding dresses, she couldn't just take a side quest to figure out what the meaning of this Metallica song was. Yeah. I mean, looking at those discovery documents, we know she had Google. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely had Google. She could have looked those up. And also what are you trying to do? Yeah, exactly. What are you trying to do here? Oh, she heard that song that I've known. What is Metallica? He said. Yeah. And also, if you look at the timeline here and you look at the transcript, like the text messages and going and outgoing and the phone calls during this time, they weren't talking during that little, they were talking during the day, don't get me wrong. But during that little period, she didn't ask him about it that we thought that you can see. So what's that? Interesting. So they've gone through the house. They've talked to the friends, like the investigators have, they've talked to the friends, the neighbors, and they've watched Chris Watts have zero emotion about his family being supposedly missing. I honestly, again, I've no doubts that every officer who entered that house knew something nefarious that happened involving them. There's no way. Now, during the day, Chris had made several staged phone calls to Shenan as well to try to, while he was at work to try to make this trail of concern seem real. Yeah. Because once I think he, this, this is how I feel like he had, he definitely planned this and he thought it was going to go a different way. Because he did it. Then he went to work and he said, oh, got to make a phone call and pretend that I called her. Oh, didn't get her. Okay. Got to send her a text message and say, where are you? Call her again. Lose that. Then the friends start contacting him and saying, we can't get it. And then he's like, oh, shit. I didn't think about the fact that her friends talked to her and care about her, which is insane. And also, and that's when it unraveled. Here's how crazy this is. He forgot that she had a doctor's appointment that morning, or just just didn't know. Yeah. The man who had the mask on, yeah, literally kept track of her doctor's appointment. Yes. That version of Chris, of Chris, how ironic existed, how ironic, how crazy that they both can exist. It's next level, truly. Now, this one, I hadn't heard this before. And when I read it in the documents, I said, this is what he did. He made sure that it was this day, right? Because again, he's planning. He thinks he's going to go home and clear out all the things that make it seem like they couldn't have left on their own mission. And he still did this at 826 in the morning. That's two hours after he had just just murdered his whole family and disposed of them in heinous ways. Yeah, at 826, he called Primrose School, which was Bellin's last pre-school/date care. And it was like a really good school that Shannon had worked hard to get them into. Yep. He called that school at 826 in the morning to disenroll them, to take them out of school forever. He literally talked to the staff and told them his daughters would not be returning to school there. How are, like, I'm glad he's
this stupid? How was he ever going to explain that like how? And he just never thought he didn't account for that coming back up. His answer later was just like, well, I thought that, you know, she had taken off with them. No, you had no evidence of that. It also had been a couple hours since you'd last a month. Also, at this point, they're not missing. Right. That's where he really went wrong here. He said, I didn't think they were ever going to come back. Oh, no, they were gone. Wait a minute. You didn't know they were missing. You weren't supposed to anyway. You are still calling them. Remember? Like not only is this stupid, even if he had done it in the middle of the day after they were already, quote unquote, missing, that would still be stupid because you would never disenroll your children. You would be like, they're coming home today and they're going to school tomorrow. Like, everything's going to go totally normal. And not this is all going to be a weird dream. Yep. You would never disenroll them, essentially admitting that they're gone the same day as they were missing. And then on top, that would be weird enough to do when you know that they're missing, to do it before they are even missing. And then try to make it work is stupid on a level. This is what I'm talking about. This level of stupidity is something I have not seen in a long time. That would really happen. He cooked himself from every, which, thank goodness, I will forever be grateful. I just lack of neurons. Yep. But holy shit. And then that was next level. I had never heard that before either. Yeah. Well in them what's crazy is FBI agent Tammy Lee noted later that the payment for the month for that school was due that day. Wow. So he disenrolled them. So he wouldn't have to pay for them anymore. Because this truly was about eliminating every single tie to those kids and his wife and take every responsibility off the table. He didn't even want to pay for a month of daycare for him. Just to keep him. He wasn't even willing to put up with that. He said, I am disengaging from it all immediately. Talk about a disgusting beast. Just beast. Absolutely. I don't understand how people like this exist. Truly such a pathetic waste of skin. Yeah. He's the most pathetic waste of skin in oxygen I've ever come across. He's so disgusting. He's despicable. He really is. Now the former director of Primrose was interviewed because she was also friends with shenan at one point. And she confirmed that before leaving for North Carolina, she said the same thing they all said, christen shenan were all over each other. Wow. Very lovely, Debbie. Very like PDA. Very like happy. And then suddenly it was gone. Wow. And this was again, everyone's that you look through those texts between the friends and her. You look from her. It's all the same story. And she said when he came to back, when he came to visit North Carolina and when she came home, he wouldn't touch her, wouldn't hug her. In fact, at one point, he said, I don't want to hug you. Wouldn't take photos with the kids. He wouldn't take photos with the kids. Wouldn't take family photos anywhere that they went. Like wouldn't be involved in anything. What the fuck? Yeah. He knows what he's going to do. That's crazy. And I truly think that was part of it was he shut it off because he saw what life could be like with Nicole. Yeah. And no responsibility. Nicole. And I think he had already decided what he was going to do. I don't know if he had the full plan, but he knew what he was going to do and he was disengaging to make it easier on himself. Leave. Just leave. Now they interviewed Nicole Kessinger, obviously. And she gave a lot of info, including that on August 13th, the night the day they went missing at night that day. So he had gone through the whole day thinking his family was quote unquote missing. They spoke and he claimed shenan, and he told Nicole that shenan had just told him she was pregnant that morning. There's literally a video that exists of when she told him that she was pregnant. There's a video. Yeah. So he didn't account for that. Also, she was 15 weeks pregnant. Yeah. It was pretty clear. And she had had two children before she was she like he knew what his wife looked like pregnant. Yeah. And also like she also had a doctor's appointment that morning. Yeah. Which like would have been one of multiple that she had literally had alter sounds. They had named the baby. Yeah. The baby was named. They knew that the sex of the baby. Yeah. What? Yeah. Also, he claimed to Nicole that not only did she tell him that morning, but she said it's not yours. So now he's trying to paint shenan as the one. Talk about projection. Truly projection. He projects everything on to shenan. Because eventually he will project being a murderer on time. Everything that he does, he makes it like her. She did it. But such a like pathology. Yeah. Especially with cheaters. Well, and what's even sadder is later. Because Nicole found out that she was pregnant through the media. Right. Because at this point, she was like I didn't believe him. Yeah. Like I just thought he was being weird. Like I just kind of was like, Oh, okay. Like what? And so she said she found out confirmed that she was pregnant. And that it was his child and that they had known about it and they had named this child. She found all that through the media. And when she brought that to him and said, what the fuck? He was like, yeah, I lied. And then he was like, does this affect our relationship? Yes. Like he was genuinely upset when she was like, Hey, I just found out that your wife that's missing is pregnant with your child and that you knew this for 15 weeks. And he was like, yeah, okay. I lied about that. Are like a real K though? And she said that was the point where she was like, I think you killed your family. Like I need to go. Oh my god. Like this was days later. But also another conversation on August 13th, the day that they went missing. Chris told Nicole that she and Anne had left her wedding ring at the house. Yeah. Because remember, he walked out with that wedding ring saying it was on the night's day. I have a whole feeling about that. Chris asked Nicole, how much do you think the ring is worth? Remember, his family has been missing for about 12 hours at this point. And she responded by telling him to pawn it. Why would you pawn the ring? And he told her he was going to get it appraised. Why would you pawn the ring if you were expecting your wife to come home? Why would either of you have responded that way? Why would he have said how much do you think it's worth? And why the fuck did she even dignify that with her response? I would literally say, what the fuck is wrong with you? Your wife is missing. And instead she says, pawn it. What? I got nothing. We get it together. I got nothing. And then his response was I would have so much, but yeah, I got lots of thoughts. I have so much, but I got to hold it back. Yeah. Because you know what? Whatever. But yeah, I think what happened to was she did not leave that right wedding ring on the nightstand. She didn't take it. No, the room had been searched multiple times over by the time he came out. I was like, lookie here. No, he took it off of her to sell later because also that was going to help him erase a little bit of the death that they were in, so that he could move on with his his new life with Nicole debt free. Well, and not only that. $10,000. Exactly. Not only that too. He I think you would I don't know if you said in a part one if we had just talked about it. But when investigators first got there, he didn't let them in right away. It took not even in the garage. He was in the house in the house. He took two full minutes to go from the garage to the front door, like, which was literally a five second walk. So what's that about? I think he found it in the garage. He went in the garage. He bent down and picked something up. And then he walked into the house and he took two minutes inside the house. Yeah. And I think what he was doing was making sure he had that ring probably taking a second to say fuck now. I got to come up with the cover story quicker. Yep. And then he opens the door and he's a fucking wreck. Yeah. Now the next day, August 14th, Chris was still completely nonchalant about this whole thing. And he kept anytime somebody asked him like, how you doing? Like, what's going on? He was like, yeah, not too bad slept with the lights on the whole house. I just kept all the lights on and I was like, Oh, slept. Wow. That must mean you're sad. How would you if my entire family was gone? I wouldn't get a fucking wake of sleep unless it just happened to me. Sleep would never come to me until my body shut down. Or I would die exactly because there comes a time where your body's like, Hey, buddy, you're gonna die if you don't go to sleep and it'll just force you into sleep. Yep. That's when my body would sleep. Exactly. And I would be sitting up all night outside on my porch, just waiting for waiting for anything by the phone. Yep. Calling people, calling the police every fucking time. I have my phone plugged in. I'd be the police's worst nightmare in that scenario because I'd be calling every 20 minutes. Anything like anything. Anything. Can I do anything? Like, heard from it? Or you'd be driving around looking for them. Yeah. Wouldn't be sleeping with the lights on. And Nicole, the mistress even said a couple of times she, it bothered her that he was like, Oh, I went to sleep at this time. And she was like, you slept? Like what? Weird. But that's on August 14th is when he gave the infamous interview on the porch. We talked about last time where he showed no human behavior at all. Just swallowing blinking and gritting his teeth. Exactly. Now later that afternoon, he had a press conference. He appeared at a press conference too. That was another mistake. And to discuss the whole thing. And he said, I'm hoping right now that she's somewhere safe. It's not something I could ever, ever fathom would happen in my lifetime.
and I have no inclination of where she is. - Why? - She said she was going to a friend's house with the kids, and that's the last thing I heard, and that was it, it was very vague. Also, that's another story he's clinging to is after he told her he wanted to separate and sell the house, they got into an emotional conversation is how he described it. - I'm glad. - He was like an emotion. You haven't met an emotion. - An emotion. - And then he says that she told her him that she was gonna take the kids to a friend's house. - At 4 a.m.? - Yep. - Okay. - And he loves to say, he says it several times, he's very vague. - She wouldn't give me the impression. - If he was gonna be leaving for work, she would have just stayed home with the kids. - Of course she was away from him. - She doesn't have to, she wouldn't have got up. - You're going to work. - I'm ready at a normal time, gone through the motions, and then got them out of the house before he got home from work. - What are you talking about? - It doesn't make any sense. You know all their friends. - It's so weird. - Like it's just, you didn't press her? - No. - He's texting her, "Where are you?" - Yeah. - You just said, she told you you're out of friends house. - Yeah. - So, and also you just enrolled your kids from school in the morning, so I don't think they're out of her friends house. - Yeah. - Like shit. - You just ended their education because they're out of friends. They had a play date, so you ended their education right there? - Wild. - That's fucking crazy. Now everyone at this point, including myself at this point in 2018, was it when it popped up on my fucking TV screen, and I said, "That guy did it." - The husband did it. - Everyone was saying this guy is fucked. Everyone's not. - Everyone. - Yep. - Everyone was wondering how he was managing to show zero concern or worry for his pregnant wife and two young children. There is something to be said for not judging how people react in certain situations. - Of course. - But in this situation, there is not an innocent person on Earth who would react even close to how he did or not react. There is just, I won't judge in certain situations. I'm judging so hard that my name is Judy in this situation to choose to shine light. - Is not a human. There is no parent who would react this way if they were innocent. - No. - Just no parent on Earth. You have to be guilty to act this way. - No. - No family related to those babies on Earth would act that way. - Nobody. - Her best friend showed more emotion than her husband did. - Not even related to you. - Yeah. The next day, August 15th, Chris agreed to take a polygraph. - That was a mistake. Normally, we say polygraphs are hot dogs in a trench coat. This one, I'm willing to say, it was pretty effective. You said yesterday, investigator in a trench coat. - Yeah, investigator in a trench coat. Once again, he ran through the story that he'd given the detectives the day before and just before 3 p.m. he sat down for it. Now, the polygraph session was pretty, it wasn't like super long. It didn't have a lot of questions and that wasn't because they didn't have a lot of questions for him. He just failed so incredibly that they didn't need to ask anymore. They were like, yep, he didn't. - He failed so spectacularly that the needle went off the page. - That's not hyperbolic, that's real. - No, literally went off the page. FBI agent Tammy Lee said, for someone who was a truth teller, we would consider them to be a grade two or higher and we would consider someone to be deceptive if they were negative four or below. Chris Watts scored negative 18. - Motherfucker is almost five times over a liar. - Yeah. - What they normally see with someone that's deceptive. He was so deceptive that he was almost five times off. - That's wild. - Like that's, they're stupid. - Crazy. - There's lion, there's bold face lion and then there's Chris Watts. And all the questions were things that he simply biologically could not lie about. Do you know where your wife is? No. Do you know where your kids are? No. Did you hurt them? No. Off the page. Like off the page. So after this, they're reviewing the results and agents Tammy Lee and Graham Coder confront him with the results and with the other evidence that raised a lot of questions about whether he was telling the truth or not. And eventually Chris admitted to having an affair with Nicole. Not Nicole Atkinson, Nicole Kessinger. Like how'd we get there, bud? But he said I don't have anything to do with Shenan in the girl's disappearance. They didn't ask him about the affair. They also didn't polygraph him about the affair. The affair was literally never mentioned until they were like, hey, where is your family? And he was like, well, I am fucking a coworker. And they were like, why are you telling us this? Like that has nothing to do with what we're asking. But he was so eager to gush about his side piece. It's actually so cringy how this happens. And I think the agents were like, is this real? Like you can see in the transcript that they're like, please stop talking about your mistress. Like why are you talking about this? Now Chris says, so they're asking, they're like, where's your family? 'Cause they were like, yeah, no, we don't want to talk about your mistress, Chris. Where's your family? And he says she was wonderful, meaning Nicole, not his wife. What? He said she was a wonderful person who knew he was married. Oops, that's contradictory. And he was having issues in his marriage. Chris said he told her he was going to get separated from Shenan, not that he was separated. He was going to. Yeah, planning on it. But he didn't know what that was going to look like. Chris said she took his breath away and he never thought in a million years something like that could happen. Chris said he never felt the same way about anyone in his lifetime as he did about her. So not the mother of his three children, one unborn. So agent Coder says, hey, we don't think your girlfriend heard anyone. And then he says, could we leave her out of this and get back to talking about your wife and daughters? Can we talk about maybe where your kids are? That's not me editorializing this. That is a transcript that I'm reading you. Oh, my God. Chris says, oh, yeah, yeah. OK, yeah, we can get back to talking about that. And he says, cool. And he says, where are your wife and children located? And Chris said, I don't know. The affair was the only thing that I was holding back on, by the way. He can't stop talking about it. And agent Coder literally says, reminded Chris that he was not questioned about the infidelity on the polygraph. He's like, hey, bro, you don't actually even have to tell us about that right now. We haven't even got there yet. So we're still on the, where's your wife and kids? So that this is literally how this happened. They said, hey, where are your wife and kids? And he was like, I did have an affair. And they were like, whoa, that's crazy. We are the FBI, though. So like, we know that. And then he said, let's not talk about this. Let's talk about your wife. She's just, you know, my mistress is a wonderful person. She's great. Takes my breath away. She took my breath away. Never in a million years thought this could happen. I never feel this, you know, in a lifetime about how she looks. And they're like, OK, can we not do? We don't think she killed your family. So can we just talk about your wife and family? And he's like, absolutely. And they're like, where are they? And you're like, yeah, I don't know. I did have an affair, though. So you guys know. And she is great. And I've never felt anything like I felt with her. And then at the end of it, agent coder says, Chris, we know about your girlfriend. Here's her date of birth and where she lives. Oh, my God. Because you don't have to tell us anymore. Because do you remember that we're the FBI? Do you know what that stands for, Chris? We're the FBI. Did you think we won? Didn't know you were having an affair. We have all of your records. We've been following you. And two, do you think I can-- I know what Nicole is doing right now on the FBI. He's like, we got a tail on her right now. He's like, bitch, she was looking up wedding dresses a couple of days ago. Did you know that? I know that. I'm the FBI. You get married. I know that. You idiots. You're sitting there being like, affair, affair, affair. And they're like, your family's missing. Can we talk about that, affair, affair, affair? And then they have to tell you, babe, we know. And you still can't stop yourself. And he's like, oh, it's the cringiest interaction. He's like, but my affair, though. [MUSIC PLAYING] And it further shows you how much he doesn't care about his family. No. All he cares about is wiping that out and starting some new life with Nicole Kessinger. Well, it's so interesting to, in sad. I don't know if we mentioned this in part one, but I saw something that said one of his former cellmates had-- he gets-- Oh, yeah. This is disgusting. It gets letters for women all the time. Oh, yeah, they're in the discovery documents. They send him like the Keeney picks, and she's like, you're fucking freak if you do that. Like, something's wrong with you. You should have access to the tools that letter writes. He smothered his two babies and killed his pregnant wife and dumped them in an auto-tank if you do that shit. Something is fucking wrong with you. You're probably not fixable. No. Sorry, you're just not. So that cellmate, though, said, he becomes so obsessed with one particular woman. And he will write her a 15-page letter back. I believe that. Talk nonstop about her and like, it's like compulsive. So I feel like that was shenan. Because remember, in part one, exactly. He pursued her. He was like, please, give me another chance. La-di-da-doo. He played the doding husband. I don't think he probably-- who knows if he wanted to have kids, but shenan did. So he did, because that's what he will just bend to be whoever they want. And then when he doesn't want to do that anymore, and the next, quote, unquote, in his eyes, best thing comes along. That's why the match drops so quickly. Yeah, because he was conforming to what he needed to conform to, which now he's cheating on his wife and his whole family. So he's like, this bad guy. So he's like, I'm going to be a bad guy. Let me play this role. Yeah, I'm going to play this role now. But that's why the mask just falls to the floor and shatters, because he. He just attaches immediately to this next person. - Because he did, at one point, Nicole said, in one of the interviews, she did state that she always believed he was more into her than she was to him. - I don't know about that because I got not in Googling wedding dresses for two hours. - Well, that's that you were Googling like marrying your mistress and like all that. - So it sounds like you were pretty into him. - So I don't know about that. I'm not in the relationship. So I can't say it's just looking at context clues here, but I'm sure he probably was. Because there was like, he would give her cards where he would write these long love letter things in there and he always had lyrics in them. He's like a lyric guy. - Okay. - And that's not a bad thing for a nice people. It's a gross thing for Chris Wallace. - Everything is gross when it comes to Chris Wallace. - It's not necessarily gross for other people. It's just he makes it gross. - And that's the thing is, I'm like, don't do that 'cause I don't want that to be gross. - I know 'cause I'm like, I love lyrics. - I like lyrics, yeah. - But he would, he like, gushed to her and like spilled like, so he was like, he was obsessed with her. - It's also just like a real way. - In like, like juvenile coded. - He's very stunted. - He is very, very stunted and I, I wonder why. So I don't know why. - No. - Who knows? - There's no evidence. - None. So the agents continue to pepper him with questions for hours, but he maintained his innocence throughout the whole thing. Then as a last ditch attempt to get any truth from him, they start saying, they start doing this thing that I think is very, very smart. - But you have to explain, like you did. - When you first watch it, you go, why the fuck did you do that? You just gave them an idea. - Because that was my response, but I'm glad that you explained this the way that you did. - These agents were really smart the way they did this. So they, they were telling him, you know, I can see it on your face, Chris. - You know what I mean. - I can tell that there's something you want to get off your chest. I can see it in your eyes. I know it's hard to hold onto these things. People make mistakes. We're not going to judge you. We're here to help you through it. Like things happen. Things can be tough, blah, blah, blah. And that part, I all got, like I've seen that done. But then they say, did she, did she, did she and do something to those girls? And that's what I was like, why the fuck would you even put that out there? - No, the reason they did that. 'Cause he immediately, you can tell. It's like, he's like, no, no. But you can tell it's like, it's not emphatically. He's like just rolling it around his head and they keep kind of asking like, did that happen? Like you got to tell us what they're doing is they're presenting an option that is more acceptable. That if she did something to those kids, of course you were gonna kill her. And he's the hero. - You're a father. You protect your kids. Of course you were gonna defend them. So they're presenting him with this, you can be the hero, Chris, while also admitting to murdering your wife. So just tell us that you did it and we'll help you through it. - And apparently. - And no one will call you a bad guy. In fact, people will probably love you because you protected your children from a monster. - Meanwhile, it's not occurring to Chris that another one of his children was in his wife's belly at this time. - Oh yeah, that doesn't ever occur. I don't know if you gave a shit about that in any way, shape or form. But the big thing here is that now that they get, if once they get him to say yes, I killed her because she killed the kids. Now they've pinned him with murder. Regardless of what was going on. They know that he's not gonna be able to prove that. - There is zero evidence to show that. And that once they got him there, then they can start pushing him down the alley of, okay, well, you already admitted to killing her. - And just pulling little threads. - And we can start saying, well, we do have this evidence that says you did it. And we do have that. And it's much easier to push him down that alley once you've got him over the hump of, yes, I did murder someone. - Right. - Because then you'd see them. - And so it was smart. It's at risk and it can backfire, but I think it worked really well in this instance because he starts cracking a little bit. He doesn't say it. And then they can see that. And again, another smart move is they go, do you wanna talk to your dad? 'Cause they remember his dad is like, he felt the one person that truly understood him and they're super close. - Yep. So they bring him into the interrogation room and they say, we're gonna leave you to alone so you can talk. - Which like, you're never alone in an interrogation room. - So Chris talks to his dad. And his dad is genuine in the beginning, like trying to be like, what happened? Like just tell me what happened. And he tells his father that he had seen Shenan that morning before he left for work. And his dad is like, you know, 'cause his dad is hurt. So he's like, did she do something? Like what happened? Did you do something like what's going on? - Like just tell me what's happened. - And he claimed they had another argument about their marriage and when he came downstairs, he found Shenan had smothered the girls to death because he was so mad that he wanted to separate that she murdered her children. And he tells his father, and I freaked out and hurt her. Now according to Chris, after he strangled Shenan and wrapped her in the top sheet, that was missing, and then took her body and the bodies of Bella and sliced out to the truck. That's when he drove out to one of the oil tanks, his company owned in the middle of a remote area. And after burying Shenan in a shallow grave, he placed the girls' bodies into each tank, then sealed them up and drove to work like nothing happened. - Why would that be your response in any-- - Precisely. - Why would that be what you did? - Well, and so now he's confessed to the murder of Shenan. But he's swearing he had nothing to do with the murder of the children, but there are about a billion things in this confession that everyone said, no. At one point, he even looks at his dad and he says, "Why did this happen to me? Why did this happen to those two little girls?" - Nice to see you. - Why did it happen to you? - Nice that you asked it about yourself first. - Not even the kids first, just why did this happen to me? I mean, why did this happen to those two little girls? Why did this happen to me? Like, you can't even human. You don't know how to human. - No, you don't know how to father. - He can't even kind, he doesn't even stumble into humaning at any point. - Which is crazy. - Which is even crazier, 'cause I feel like a robot even stumbles into humaning everyone. - Honestly. - Like, honestly. - AI can human more than Chris Watts can human. - Yep. - Like truly, and several times the interrogators tried to get him to admit what he did to Celeste and Bella after this. And they noted, and this was another thing I was glad they did. They looked right at him and they said, "Listen, we're not gonna feel right. If Shinnan, a murder victim who cannot defend herself, takes the rap for murdering her own children if she didn't do it." - 'Cause we know she didn't. - And they, 'cause they know it. And they're trying to appeal to him now by being like, listen, you can't pin this on a mother who didn't do it. She's dead. Like her legacy is gonna be murdering her own baby girls. - And you're gonna let that happen. And he says, "I'm fine with it." Of course he is. He doesn't give a shit about her anymore. - He was totally fine with it. Diabolically fucked up. - He was fine with Shinnan being known as a mother who smothered her children to death because she was mad at the husband for wanting to separate. - And this happened. - He was fine with her going down like that. And because he said that, there are people that believe that. - Yeah. - Like, they're insane. And they're like, they're not educated on this case. - Anybody who thinks Chris Watts is innocent in any way, shape or form, I don't wanna hear anything from you. - No, I don't wanna hear anything from you. - But how fucked up is that that willful ignorance is what that is. - That he was okay doing that and did it. - Yeah. He was able to get that out there. - Even when warned about the consequences. - Exactly. - He did not care. - And he said, "That's fine." But they also pointed out something that was interesting and really good too. And they were playing on the fact that he is not a parent. Like, he's not a human, he's not a father. - 'Cause he let that go. - 'Cause they said, you know, here's the thing. And they said, "So when you came downstairs, what did you see?" And he said, "He said, "Chinaim was on top of CZ." No, again, this is him, he lied. - Yeah. - And they said, "Okay." And he said, "So I grabbed her and I strangled her. I was just so angry." Like, I saw those girls and both of them. And they're like, "Yeah, yeah, totally." And then they're like, "No parent is ever gonna accept that their children are dead. They're just not." And they said, "Certainly not enough to dump them in tanks of oil." Like, they're just not. And so they said, "It's strange to me." They said, "Did you try CPR? Did you try life-saving, reviving them?" Like, anything on them. - What you would. - And he said, "No." And they were like, "That's weird to me." Like, Agent Coder was like, "I'm sorry, I can't understand that." I would do everything I could to bring my child back to life. And they said, "You didn't call an ambulance to try to revive them?" Nope. And they were like, "That's weird. That's weird." And he was like, "I was scared." And they were like, "Yeah, parents don't get scared over their love for their children. You don't pick scared over love for child." And they were like, "Especially, it just doesn't make sense to me." And he's like, "No, no, no, I was scared." - Okay. - Yeah, it makes absolutely no sense. - Now, meanwhile, as this is happening, police had discovered the body of Shenan. She was buried at the top of her body, was eight inches under the dirt. It's a shallow shallow. Calling that a shallow grave is actually generous. - Yeah, it's a divot. And she was found about 100 feet from the large oil tanks at the Anadarko oil well site near Roggan, Colorado, where he just worked all day. - Yeah. - Or, "Oh, what have worked all day?" - Oh, yeah. He was around employees that day. At that site, feet away from where his children were laying in an oil tank and he was joking with them. They, everyone at that site said he didn't act even slightly off. - That's unreal to me. - Nothing was different. - Now, they found them because he had gone to that site that morning and worked there. And his truck was a work truck and had GPS on it. - Right. - So they followed the GPS. - He didn't think through any of this. - No. - That's why it's wild, but like this was planned. - Yeah.
Like he thought he really thought he was going to come really mad was that he was going to murder them Yeah, and he thought he could go home and just get rid of anything that said But it wasn't meticulously planned because you remember one thing about this side that I will give like for this to be part of the plan He was going to that side anyways, right so his GPS showing that he went there isn't the thing that tip them off exactly It's just because they would have been there anyway They're going backwards and they're following his trail because they are now just investigating different things So this wouldn't have tipped them on so this could be he this is part of the plan of while I'm going there anyway So fucking stupid now They did an aerial search from the air they spotted a piece of sheet that shenan was wrapped in and buried in It was sticking up from the dirt, and they said hey, there's some fabric They were able to determine that the sheet was from the missing set that they found in the trash And during that search Chris confessed it like that he had killed shenan, it was happening like at the same time So they're finding the sheet and then he immediately confessed and he said he disposed of their bodies at this site So he they took a picture of this site from the air and sent it to the Police station and he wrote their initials on where they were oh my god I'm one on each tank because something that like really upset both of us yesterday I think Ash didn't know no was that he dumped Celeste and Bella in separate tanks I never knew that and for some reason. I mean everything about that just it shatters Him dropping them in an oil tank alone, but to separate them to separate them from their not only from their mother But from each other each other is like they were just alone In those oil tanks of four-year-old and a three-year-old and why did you throw them in oil? I shouldn't even say throw them. Why did you shove them in oil tanks? But we'll get there now on August 16th they went back and completely Drained the tanks of crude oil and this is gonna get rough And again, I'm not gonna be super graphic about it The discovery documents are very graphic about this search And I warned you that ahead of time when you if you are reading them and you get to this point I suggest you skip over it. It's yeah horrific and I wish I had never seen it That's when they found Celeste and Bella in each tank and they were able to get them out Autopsies concluded that the death of shenan was manual strangulation Although her high-oid bone was not broken. He just knew what to press on to stop breathing And the deaths of Bella and Celeste were violent and horrific asphyxiation due to smothering And he smothered them with their favorite blankets And Bella fought back really hard because Bella was the last one killed. Bella's the four-year-old So she had seen what happened So Bella's last I'm gonna cry again. No, of course you are Bella's last moments were seeing this nightmare and not like ruins me like I just like I don't I don't know how somebody does this. I don't get it She they're also that's half of you. You created those beings. That's the thing How would you not die for those babies and how do you kill them? Oh? How do you do that? I can't even raise my voice at my children without apologizing after I Don't I don't know I just don't get it and There were injuries as well from being shoved through an eight-inch hole That neither of them could fit through comfortably So he had to further hurt them and he just didn't care He just didn't care and then he worked by those tanks. He's a fucking monster. He's a disgusting Irredeemable monstrous piece of shit. Yeah, and if there is a hell He will see it. He's in it and honestly if there is a hell I hope he sees it every day. He does Yeah, and you he is said that he does we said he's haunted and I hope he actually is I hope he's not just saying the visions every day And I hope it gets worse and worse. I hope those visions never fade and I hope they get clear and clear I hope they drive him to complete and your madness. Yeah, and then he loses his fucking mind I hope it's the same thing like Brian Colberg or not a hole for where he's Losing his mind at night because none of the inmates will let him sleep That's what you got when you were I hope that he's getting that now There was a report that I saw that was on August 18th just going through the timeline and that just gives you another after you've just heard that gives you another indication of how little he cared and how much he knew that he was probably gonna get caught There was a friend a mutual friend of both of them a guy named Christopher Rusk and he found out that the family was missing and he hadn't heard anything yet and He had reached out to Chris. This was a few days prior and was saying like oh my god. I'm so sorry If there's anything I can do and he said the only thing that Chris said to him was quote. I shouldn't have talked to the media What the fuck and he actually went to the police with that and said this was weird. Yeah, so everyone around was like is weird I shouldn't have talked to the media. He basically just said while I'm fucked. Yeah on August 19th The police department got an email from someone and this is this is just a strange thing that I found that I had There was no verve like nothing came after this. Yeah, nobody found this person But it's still in the documents and I thought it was a strange thing to see I was like, huh? Yeah, so the police department on August 19th got an email from someone at family heating at AWL.com And it was saying that Chris was having an affair with a woman not Nicole Kessinger who's ex-husband He worked with at the soil company and they spoke and interacted Through a secret calculator app, which is this is interesting because that information had not been revealed Right, that he talked to Nicole Kessinger through a secret calculator app that I don't know about anyone else But in 2018 I wasn't hearing about a secret calculator app that was flying around for people to cheat on their spouses I wasn't so it's weird that she said this Mm-hmm, and I'm like, this is weird like as was he having multiple affairs? And this person just didn't come forward or what maybe like it's very strange. It's weird, but On August 19th the same day, Nicole Kessinger, like we were saying she knew she knew Google. Yeah Does everybody remember Amber Fry of course? No, Amber Fry was unknowingly having an affair with Scott Peterson who murdered his wife Lacey Peterson and their Informed child and their unborn child Connor Amber by all accounts and by all the things that they researched and saw did not know that he had this whole other life Didn't know he was married. I did not know he was married and actually needed in the investigation and she wore a wire She did like she really tried to get him caught So she had a different vibe. Yeah, so everybody just kind of rallied around her because damn that's traumatic. Yeah, now Kessinger on August 19th Google did people hate Amber Fry Things about Amber Fry's net worth and things about her book deal if this Lady woman thought that she was getting a fucking book deal that's I'm like, what are you gonna write? Well, no you thought You were gonna write about this like you had any insight and that I'm sorry that you deserve that's the money that comes from what the fuck You do that he was married with children whether you know he was separated and affair with him you knew he had children And you were having an affair. You knew you had to interact in private. You knew that this wasn't okay Like that's that's the thing. That's like that's a completely different scenario. So that was interesting to me. That's in the discovery. Yeah And this was another thing that I saw in the discovery that I'd never some mention somewhere was on August 20th so the day after The police got in touch with somebody named Adi who was friends with them with friends with shenan And she said on August 14th, which is the day after they went missing The day after he murdered them. There was an email That Chris responded to on that day and it was concerning to her because she said his family was missing at this point Chris received an email about fantasy football And on the day after his family was missing he responded with I'm in I'm in He got an email about a fantasy football league and he said I'm in the day after his family is missing He's ready to start this. Oh chapter of his life. He's gonna go fantasy football Yeah, you can spend his money on whatever he wants now. He's already enrolled his children in daycare after killing them I'm in I'm in the day while your family's missing. I've already started looking at my my people that I want to You wouldn't catch me answering emails. No, if I was in a joint in a joining fantasy football league You wouldn't see the Gmail app open on my phone Now what if I just blew this is the kind of shit that you need to see because you need to know how Diabolically awful this case of shit is I'm in Now a few days later Chris Watts was arraigned on an account of first degree murder in the death of
and one count of causing the death of an unborn child. At his arrangement, Chris's attorney, James Merson, argued that he had killed his wife in a fit of rage after witnessing her kill their two daughters. Merson also petitioned the judge to require the district attorney to require DNA testing on the necks of the two girls. But that was rejected on the grounds that the judge does not have the authority to tell the prosecution how to conduct their investigation. And it probably wouldn't have worked anyway because he shoved his two children in an oil tank, so that would have disturbed some DNA. It absolutely did. Now, from the moment he offered up this story about shenan, killing Bella and Celeste, nobody believed that. Nobody believed that. It doesn't make any sense. There was no one that believed that. And there was also no evidence to support that story. Well, also, this is something that we said yesterday that we forgot to mention today. That security camera footage that Nate has shows two little shadows going on into the truck. I don't think it shows two little shadows, but it shows more than just his shadow. So there's movement that you can see that clearly they're alive. Like, there's more than just Chris getting into the car. It's not just Chris moving about. Like, it just doesn't. There's no evidence to show that. And despite this, the district attorney Michael Rock decided to take a chance on getting a further confession from Chris. At a meeting in early October, Chris was informed that the prosecutor intended to pursue the death penalty, as they should. But he was willing to take that off the table. If Chris was willing to tell them what really happened that night, which I think was brilliant. Right. Finally, under threat of execution, Chris confessed that shenan had nothing to do with their daughter's murders. And he was just going to let her take the fall for it. And it was the, in fact, Chris, who had killed them. How nice that he had a choice and not getting executed. Exactly. Now, what had happened that night, like I said earlier, he drove them 45 minutes alive. He told them that mommy's sick and needs to go to the hospital, put them in the car and drove them 45 minutes and could have changed his mind. Once he dumped shenan's body into the dirt, he smothered C.C. with her favorite blanket in front of Bella. Bella again fought him. I'm not going to go into any more detail than that. I'm not going to say any of like last words or anything because it's pure horror. If you read it and you hear about it and you hear this fucker too, this fucker who later confessed every detail of this. When you hear him say it, it'll turn your stomach in a way that is hard to recover from. So I don't suggest listening to it. Does he have any emotion when he says that? He doesn't give a shit. And it's just the details of that moment are so horrifying. Well, that's not what anybody needs to remember about those kids. It's not. And that's the worst kind of horror. And I'm just so sorry to their family. Like I'm so sorry every the whole time I was reading these things, I was just like, I'm so sorry. Yeah. Like I'm so sorry that this man who you thought was protecting your family and was a part of your family was the monster that your kids feared and didn't even know it. Like I'm so so sorry. It just like yeah. Now on November 19th, 2018, Chris appeared before a judge for sentencing. By then the charges against him more now, three counts of first degree murder, two counts of causing the death of a child under 12, as well as one count of unlawful termination of a pregnancy and three counts of tampering with a deceased human body. Wow. Now at sentencing Michael Rorck urged that maximum penalty of life in prison be imposed. And he said he told the jury. What must the part that Oh, yeah, this is a lot. What must Bella age four or Celeste age three have thought when their father, the one man on earth supposed to nurture and protect them, smothered them to death. And it's true. Yeah. Like you don't even want to think about that. You're like, I but I keep thinking about it. Well, I can't stop thinking about knowing that that's what happened. How do you not? I got it. Well, after we record this one for the second time, I have to get a far away from this case. I need to get far away from this case. It's horrific. And what kills me is that the family and the friends can't get away from it. No, it's their reality. Like I'm saying I need to get away from this. I need to go like read something. I need to just like get it out of my brain. But this is what he did to them. But they live with this every fucking day. And people who loved him and trusted him to take care of those children and take care of shenan, and be a husband and a father. They live with their absence every day. So it's a reminder every single day to them of what happened. And he's still here. Like that. And he's still here in protective custody. Like the little bitch that he is. Really? Just, but you know what? He's scared every second. I just feel his pants every second. I just feel like don't protect him. He didn't protect anybody. Nobody protected those little girls. His duty and nobody protected him and his duty as a husband was to protect his wife and his children at all costs. And he didn't. So why are tax payer dollars? Yeah. Protecting him. Exactly. Why? Why? I mean, I'm not in Colorado. But I don't want to fucking pay for that. Yeah. Nobody should pay for that. No. Give him one day out. It'll be fine. Give him a day he deserves. Yeah. That's all. Like karma. Servants purpose. Yeah. Just let the chips fall where they may. You know? That's all I have to say. Judge Marcelo Copcow shared everybody's outrage and disgust with Chris Watts. He said, this is perhaps the most inhumane and vicious crime. I have handled out of thousands of cases I've seen. I can't even imagine. Nothing less than a maximum sentence would be appropriate. And with that, he sentenced Chris Watts to three life terms for the murders and an additional 84 years for the other crimes. So this fucker is spending three life sentences plus 84 years. I honestly like part of me hopes that he lives such a long life. Yeah. And I hope he thinks about it every day. Absolutely terrorized because he doesn't get to he doesn't deserve to get to move on to the afterlife anytime soon. No. And be rid of this. And before Chris was removed to begin serving his sentence, the families of both Chris and Shenan were given the opportunity to speak. These ones are rough, but I feel like they're important to me. But yeah, their word should be said. So Frankie Shenan's brother said, honestly, this one really gets me. We beg the district attorney to spare your life because we believe no one has the right to take the life of another even someone like you. Why? Why would you do this? You don't deserve to be called a man. What part of it? What kind of person slaughters the people who love him the most? Did you really think you'd get away with this? Did you really think that this was your best option to throw away your family like they were garbage? They deserve better and you know it. I hope you spend the rest of your life staring at the ceiling every night being haunted by what you've done. You took away my family from this earth. But you can never take them from my heart. This is the part that really comes back. You took away my privilege of being an uncle to the most precious little girls I had ever known. Fuck. That always gets me. Yeah. Of course. It's like, I'm so glad that that they got to say exactly what they wanted to him though. And who knows how it impacted him because I don't know if he's even impactable. But I hope it fucked him up. I hope it did. Her father, Frank Jr., senior said, I trusted you to take care of them, not kill them. And they also trusted you, you heartless monster. You have to live with this vision every day of your life. And I hope you see it every time you close your eyes at night. Now in her statement, Cindy Watts, Chris's mother. She expressed sorrow for everything. And she said, as your mother, I've always loved you. And I still do. I hate what has happened. But we will remain faithful as your family. We love you and forgive you, son. It's so bad that you have to say what has happened. You didn't even say what you've done. Use, use a more like forceful of terms. Don't make it passive. Like he didn't have something to do with it. What has happened? Nothing you did, babe. Nothing happened. I hate that you have done this to our family. Murdered his family. Also, you want to say, I will always love you because I'm your mother. Yeah, I get it. I will always love my kids. I don't care, like no matter what. Of course. Just sit there and say what happened? Like he didn't do it. And also to say, I forgive you. It's not up to you. No one gives a shit. It's a new stand in front of her family. And say that you forgive the guy who murdered their daughter. Who you didn't like. And continue to despair. And continue to say you don't like. We can't get too far into that because I'll get heated. Yeah, I'll get like super pissed. But she's done plenty of interviews. Let's say how she felt about Shenan. Since Shenan has been murdered. Um, one thing I have to say is I don't understand how she didn't get up there. Like I don't have children. So I don't know how I feel. How I will feel. Like, yeah, or how I would feel in this situation. But I feel like you could have gotten up there and said, I will, I'm your mother. I still love you. But I'm fucking ashamed of you. Yeah. Because I think you can still love somebody like, of course, that doesn't go away. Absolutely. But you can be ashamed. And that one thing I believe is that that woman should be ashamed of her son. Well, here's what I think should have happened. Don't say anything. Yeah. Sit down. Yeah. And hey, continue to not say anything. That's my. advice. Stop calling the media. Stop speaking about it. Yeah. Because no one wants to hear his family side of it. Nope. Don't talk about it. Like that would be different. It would be different if their reactions were dimmer. Yeah. But we need to move on. Yeah. I don't want to get too far into it. But I do want to end those statements with Sandy, who is Shannon's mother. She said, and this proves that the mask dropped. We loved you like a son. We trusted you. Your faithful wife trusted you. Your children adored you. And they also trusted you. Your daughter Bella Marie sang a song proudly. I don't know if you got to see it. But it was daddy. You're my hero. I have no idea who gave you the right to take their lives. But I know God and his mighty angels were there at that moment to bring them home to paradise. After everyone had been given the opportunity to speak, the judge instructed the deputies to take Chris out of that fucking courtroom and deliver him into the custody of the Colorado State Prison System, where he was going to begin serving a sentence, where he was going to begin rotting. But a few months later, Chris was transferred to Dodge Correctional Facility in Wisconsin after prison officials in Colorado became concerned for his safety. He wasn't concerned with anybody else's safety. So why waste the money? He should be concerned for his safety every fucking second of every fucking day for no one already of his life. He remains there to this day and is unlikely to be released. And like I said, just to remind you, he's scared shitless for his life every second of every day. He barely sees sunlight. He's in isolation. His life is miserable. And that's how it should be. He also recently, as recent as last year 2025, he wrote a letter to God. He's found religion. Honey, if God's around, he's not listening to your dumbass. He does not like your ass. I can tell you that much. He wrote a letter to God where he blamed women and mainly his mistress Nicole for what happened. Nice. He said that she tempted him because he's a little sniveling shipberg with no self control. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Totally. He wrote, I was misled. I was tempted by a harlot. I was weak and I allowed myself to be fooled by an evil woman. She led me from the path of righteousness. I know that you will deal with her someday. She will be judged. You know my heart, Lord. I am a man after your heart. I seek your face. I allowed her to sway me. He also completely blamed just women for everything. He called women harlots, Jezebel's horrors. It's all their fault. He seems like he's really adjusting. He was cheating on his pregnant wife and then murdered them all in cold blood. But like, yeah, it's women's fault. Totally. That's nice. Should have known it when he looked at that police officer and said, 'cause women wouldn't have made no sense. There is also a paranormal aspect to this case, which I'm not going to get super into. There's only a couple that I just wanted to point out because they are the only ones that I was not able to immediately be like, 'Well, maybe it's with.' You know? So there's like two things. So there's one, Sandy, Shenan's mom, received a text message after all of this from an unknown number saying that the back door of your deceased daughter's house is open. And she responded, 'Who is this?' And they never responded. I'm like, 'That's fucked up.' So the police were called to go check. The door was closed, but the screen door was open, which is weird. And the garage light was on. And it's not motion, nothing like that. It's like, it was on. You have to be in the garage. So they were confused by all this, but seemed like no one had broken in. Nothing else they could figure out at least. And then later in the same day, Nate, the neighbor, who like saved us all with the surveillance video, he said that he got, so other neighbors had told him that they were seeing lights going on in that house. And so he said he looked at the surveillance video and he saw a dark-haired woman walk up to the front door and not walk out so many times and it chills me to work for every time. And she never walked out. So the police showed up again. They couldn't find anybody, but there were lights on. And when they went in there, they said like a cabinet was opened, but that's it. And like they couldn't figure out anything else. It didn't look like anything was like ransacked or taken. And there's no footage of the woman leaving. Yeah. And that footage isn't released. They won't release it. Like maybe she went out the back. I think you would see, though, because the door in the door was locked. Oh, yeah, I don't know. That's chilling. And then like, I think the garage, the alarm was set. And when they talked to shenan's father, he was like, I didn't set the alarm when I left last because there's nobody in the house. Like they do. Why? He literally sees like there's nothing worth protecting in that house anymore. Oh. So why is the alarm set? And who said it? Yeah. I think it's very strange. And why? It's very strange. Yeah. I don't know. And then there's two other things. There's, there's body cam footage from afterwards with the canine unit. This is the part that messes me up. And when they're walking into shenan's closet, you hear a very distinct giggle, a child giggle, loud, very loud, very distinctive. It actually startles the officers. They all hear it. They all discuss it and they try to recreate it. They try to recreate it. They're all very frazzled by it. They can't recreate it. They don't know where it came from. It's very spooky. One of them won't even go back in the closet. Yeah. It's like clearly freaked out by it. And then the second one is the one that really chills my bones. Because honestly, with that first one, I hope that's just residual energy. Exactly. I hope it's residual energy because I really hope that like whatever their family believed in, like Sandy said, she hopes they're in paradise. I hope that's exactly where they are. Yeah. To not like, I don't want to believe. And I honestly don't believe that they're stuck in that house. No, I don't believe that either. I think if anything, this was residual. I think this stuff too was as they were missing. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. So it was right after. And I wonder if it's just a burst of residual stuff. But they go into the main bedroom at one point. And you can hear this breathy, whispering voice, say, this is our home. And it sounds like it's in despair. Yeah. It sounds like a very sad like this is our home. Like it says it like so sad. And it's and it's so clear. It is. And it's just like, I don't know what it is, but regardless of what it is, it's spooky. And it's, I don't know if it's just energy that like was because I was gnarly energy in that house right then. So, but it's very spooky. A lot of people talk about it. It's worth noting. Yeah. But yeah, that that is the story of Chris Watts. And it's even more horrifying than I initially thought it would be somehow. Yeah. Honestly. And again, I just feel so sorry for anybody who knew them who has to live this every day. I know. But I also want to make sure that his version of the story is dispelt as often as humanly possible. Seriously. Because fuck, he's a monster and I am happy to never think of him again. Because also he likes to like spin the story of like shenan being domineering and almost tries to pin it on that. Like well, she was just a hard woman to live with. And it's like, first of all, not everyone say that. Yeah. Everyone who knows her says that she was great. And it's like, and to even if she was domineering get divorced still doesn't mean you kill her. Like that's so like, I hate that shit too. Because it's like it just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with anything. There's just no excuse for it. Yeah. There's no excuse for it. But yeah, it's a horrifying story. And I never want to talk about it again. Let's as a palette cleanser get to the fun fact part of the show. Yeah. To end this. I feel like we all need this fun fact. I desperately need it. Birds get drunk, unfermented berries, particularly in the late winter and early spring because thawing and freezing causes the berries to ferment. I you would use this one yesterday and it was so welcome. Yeah. I love that. It's very prevalent in the spring in fact. I love that a lot. Yeah. Because good for them. We might have seen a drunk bird today. Yeah. They're just out there popping bottles. You never know. Yeah. I saw a bird that flew I was in the drive through and it flew onto a branch, but the branch wasn't like heavy enough to support it. Yeah. So it had like a weird stumble moment and then jumped on a regular branch and I was like oh man, I bet he's so embarrassed and I hope he's not. He's like, I hope nobody saw that. I was like, I'm not judging you. We've all been there. But yeah, that was a good fun fact. Yeah. I love birds. Yeah. All right. We hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird and that's it. Not out here, man. [Music]
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The creators recorded a three-hour intense, emotionally devastating episode about a family annihilation case, which left them deeply affected and mentally exhausted.
After losing the original recording file, they spent hours attempting recovery using technical tools and commands, eventually finding a partial file that still showed a flat line.
The case revealed disturbing details, including the suspect’s sudden emotional detachment, erratic behavior, and a complete lack of care for his wife and children.
The suspect’s statements during interviews were inconsistent, illogical, and showed signs of profound incoherence—such as forgetting the current date or denying knowledge of his children’s favorite shoes.
A psychic medium from Massachusetts provided a detailed, eerily accurate account of the missing family’s fate, matching the official discovery documents.
The suspect had a history of harming his wife by poisoning her while pregnant and attempting to induce a miscarriage, showing a pattern of calculated cruelty.
Officers observed his vacant demeanor and defensive behavior, including a habitual locking of his jaw and eye blinking, which signaled deception and psychological instability.
During a phone call to a friend, the suspect casually said “not too bad” when informed his entire family was missing, revealing a chilling lack of grief or empathy.
Summary:
Elena and Ash discuss a harrowing true crime case involving the disappearance of a family, including a pregnant wife and her two young daughters. The episode took place over three intense hours of recording, deeply traumatizing the creators emotionally—Elena cried four times during the session. The team faced technical failure when their recording file vanished, leading to a frantic recovery effort involving computer commands and forensic tools.
Despite the loss, they eventually found a partial file that still showed a flat line, symbolizing the emotional void and absence of life. The case reveals extreme evidence of the suspect’s psychopathy: he poisoned his pregnant wife, abandoned his family, and showed no emotional connection, even during interviews. He failed basic parental responsibilities—denying knowledge of his children’s clothing, habits, or bedtime routines—and provided illogical, fabricated stories to cover his tracks.
Officers noted his emotional detachment, mechanical responses, and bizarre behavior, such as claiming to have slept in the basement during a time when the wife was in Arizona. A psychic medium from Massachusetts independently described the family’s fate with chilling accuracy, raising serious questions about his intentions. The suspect’s cold, detached demeanor—especially in a call to a friend where he casually said “not too bad” when told his family was missing—reveals a complete lack of empathy.
The case stands out not only for its brutality but for how the suspect’s actions and behavior indicate a deliberate, calculated shift from a caring father to a violent, emotionally vacant man. The team emphasizes that the case is not just about physical violence but about psychological erosion, highlighting how a person’s detachment can be as terrifying as the act itself. They caution listeners that the discovery documents are deeply disturbing and emotionally taxing, recommending they approach them with care.
Ultimately, the episode underscores the horror of a man who, after years of being seen as a devoted family man, suddenly becomes indifferent, unfeeling, and dangerous—leaving behind only silence and grief.
FAQs
The episode was recorded for over three hours and ended with a complete silence after the recording button was released. This loss of footage was deeply traumatic, and the creators had to go through intense emotional distress, with one of them crying four times during the recording.
They tried multiple tools and methods, including a microSD card reader and computer programs. Eventually, they used terminal commands to access the recovery process and successfully generated a file named 'recover.wave'.
The 'recover.wave' file was the result of a technical recovery attempt and, when opened, initially showed a flat line—indicating no audio—leading to strong emotional reactions from the creators who felt the loss of the original content was both technical and personal.
They described him as emotionally vacant, detached, and lacking empathy. His nonchalant demeanor, especially during interviews, and his inability to provide consistent or coherent stories were seen as signs of a psychopathic mindset.
They found inconsistencies in his statements, such as claiming his wife was home when she was not, denying knowledge of her favorite shoes, and falsely stating she had been at Target. These contradictions, combined with his lack of emotional response, raised serious concerns about his credibility.
The bodycam footage revealed officers’ real-time reactions to Chris's behavior, showing clear signs of disbelief and suspicion. The footage also highlighted how Chris appeared emotionally detached and incoherent, especially when discussing his children or family.
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