The Watts Family Murders (Part 1)

Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alayna. And this is Morbid. This is indeed very morbid today. Yeah. Alayna has been sifting through discovery documents for the last six hours. Yeah, yeah. I did it all night last night too. Yeah. And I had weird dreams because of it. I didn't even sift through discovery documents. I just knew that we were doing this case. So I was kind of like watching, obviously, you know, this is the Chris Watts case because you've clicked on it. Yeah. Part one of the Chris Watts case. Part one. We watched some of the paranormal stuff that goes along with this case. Yes. And there was one thing in that video that I couldn't stop thinking about last night. Yeah. I woke up like multiple times throughout the night last night. Yeah. See, and I've been, so I went through it a little bit. We'll talk about it in part two, the paranormal aspects of it. Yeah. Because there is some strange ones. But I was like more going into like the interviews like before he admitted to what he did. Yeah. And that shit will fuck you up. Oh, yeah. And just looking at those discovery documents, which we'll link in the show notes. You can all look at them. You can all look at every goddamn text that was sent between him and Shanann, between him and his mistress, Nicole. I mean, it's. There's a lot to be seen. There's a lot to be seen and a lot of just complete lack of humanity on his part, which is really upsetting to see. Yeah. I always swore I wasn't going to do this case because the details are very upsetting. But I know you guys really want this case. This is one of our most highly requested cases. And, you know, I'm doing this for you. I also knew this was going to be one of those cases that just ate me up, like that I could not stop getting deeper and deeper into. And that has happened. Yeah. So I'm going to look forward to disconnect. This is like the Morris murders case for me where it's like I'm really looking forward to the end of it where I can say bye. Yeah. Because, oh my goodness. Yeah. But yeah, so that's what we'll be doing today. But before we get to that, before we get to all the horror and terrible shit, if you haven't gotten your tickets to the live show in June, June 27th, New York City, Radio City Music Hall. We're going to be there. It's going to be big. It's going to be huge. And there's only so many tickets left. We're getting to that end point. And I want you guys to come and have fun because it's one night only. We got a cool theme in mind. We have cool fucking merch. We just had a whole meeting about the merch. And it's fucking killer. This merch is going to be killer. I'm really and it's only going to be at the show. Only at the show. You can only get sure you get your tickets. It's going to be fun. I promise you. Oh, we also booked a sick guest. Yeah, we got a special guest. 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I feel like you'd also be able to tell. But yeah, that'd be insane. But yeah. Anyway, enjoy that and pre-order it if you want. And you should. It's fun. Now we're going to get into this. I'm going to try not to get too worked up here. Good luck with that. Yesterday I was so worked up and I was just talking to everybody in the room about it. I'm going to feel worked up because I felt worked up about it. I don't know all of the ins and outs of this case. I avoided it a lot because obviously children are involved. So I hate that. But I'll get outraged right along with you. Yeah. And everything is going to be, I mean, everything's right in that discovery. Every document that's available for you to take a peek through. It's very long, obviously, but it's all there. So this is all the official shit. Now, let's start with who Chris Watts is, unfortunately. Do we have to? I think we have to. Because you got to know who this fucker is. You got to know who this piece of shit is. So he was born May 16th, 1985. Hate that he was born in the same year as me. I know. Taurus too. I usually love a Taurus. Not this one. No. Not this one. He was born in Fayetteville, North Carolina. He was the second to two children, born to Ronnie and Cindy Watts, who I have so many feelings about, but I'm not going to spill all of them. Keep it quiet. But you can take from that what you will. That's just feelings, you know? It's just a feeling. Growing up, he was very close to his dad. They shared a love of sports and cars, like, you know, that kind of thing. Dude stuff. Um, very just. Dude bros. Sports and cars. Which is all right. But Chris's relationship with his father was built on more than just these shared interests. They had very similar personalities. And you can see even now that they still, like, not the murderous personality, obviously, but I mean, like, he's a very quiet, like, subdued guy for the most part. And his dad seems a little bit like that as well. So I think what everybody said around them was that Chris felt like he was understood by his dad because they were. They were kind of the same. He was, like, an average student. He was a good athlete. I fucking hate him. Yeah. But he didn't do anything remarkable. Like. I wouldn't think so. Nothing to write home about. Um, he was super shy, so he didn't really, like, stand out in any way. And he just kind of flew under the radar because he was a fucking loser. Yeah. Um, but I'm gonna be so mean about him. He killed his children, so I think that's valid. I just need you to know that. If you are one of those girls who, like, writes to him in prison or thinks he's hot. You're gonna want to turn this off. You're gonna want to turn this off and you're gonna want to go. Go seek some real help. Guidance. Because this man, after reading more and more about him, I think is one of the biggest pieces of shit I have ever come across in my entire existence of research. If you can kill your own three children, one of which was unborn, and your own wife while pregnant with one of those children, there's not a good bone in your. There's nothing good about you. No. And there never was. And the details of it all are just beyond human comprehension. How he reacted to all this should horrify you to your very fucking core. It really should. Yeah. But when he got to high school, he had become pretty withdrawn. Like, he was always very quiet and withdrawn. And it wasn't like something happened that is on record that made this happen. He just was always like that. That's weird. And he was kind of aloof as a teenager. He was kind of aloof as an adult, too. He didn't give a fuck about anything. Mm-hmm. As evidenced by his interview when his family was, quote-unquote, missing. And. Don't worry. We'll get into that. His sister, Jamie, said he didn't go out with friends. I was more of a social butterfly, and he was quiet and interested in mechanics and cars. He was just a focused person. And I think that just means, like, he was a piece of shit in the making. Yeah, perhaps. It wasn't until he enrolled in an automotive technology class that he started to find, like, some kind of confidence. His love of cars and his deep knowledge of NASCAR impressed the teacher of the class. Joe Doody, who. And it's D-U-T-E-Y. Okay. It's a D-U-T-E-Y. To stifle all of your giggles. He took Chris under his wing and kind of became, like, a mentor to him. The teacher said, it's hard to find a more perfect kid. I'd argue it's not. It'd be super easy, I think. That's me. But he said he was in the top 10% of students I ever had. And that was in the automotive technology class, not in the school. Okay. Don't want to give him any undue accolades here. Don't be doing that. Also, the. The teacher, Mr. Doody, said he could see that Chris struggled socially. And he had very few friends at the time. That kind of remained something through his life. As you'll see, not too many people were willing to go to bat for Mr. Watts here. Good. Throughout his life. So, I think mom and dad were really his, like, number one people who were going to go bat for him. Great. So, the teacher said many times I would look at him and think, what's going on in his head? It was like the wheels were spinning, but he was by himself. That's a loaded question. And I said, whew, you don't want to know what's going on in his head. Yeah. I wonder what was going on in his head even back then. Probably a whole lot of nothing. Yeah. Honestly, he seems like one of those dudes. If you watch any interview with him, he's like one of those guys that if, like, if you, like, blew wind through his ear, it would, like, come out the other side. Like, just freely. Like, he just, nothing's happening. Lights are on, no one's home. Yeah. Like, just not a lot going on. Now, after graduating from high school. Well, his passion for cars led him to enroll at the NASCAR Technical Institute in Mooresville, North Carolina. It was a NASCAR-sponsored program that specialized in motorsports and, like, automotive training. Cars. Just cars. He also found a part-time job working at a car dealership. Cars. Because cars. And when he wasn't in class or at work, he was using his free time to study cars. Cars. So. You have to do, you have to. Cars. Cars. You have to say it like Andy Belfler from True Blood. Yes, from True Blood. I don't know if you're picking up on something here. All he cared about about was cars that's all he had it's all he had uh he had three looks yeah that's it just cars cars cars cars nascar car school and a dealership that's it fucking loser uh his former roommate richard hodges said he was very dedicated to his work on cars and wasn't the kind of guy that went out and partied because he was too busy with cars uh but he eventually finished the nascar program and started a full-time job as a mechanic it wasn't exactly the exciting career nascar that he thought he was going to be going forth with well he's mediocre so but he made decent money he enjoyed the work says because he loves a car so he didn't complain and he just kind of like thought he would move up someday which is how you should go into something like that you start at the bottom yeah you work your way up around the same time he surprised everyone by starting his first romantic relationship with a car i would have thought so but no unfortunately even the cars were like no thank you sir uh but he's so this is how weird he was that everybody was like wait by all accounts like again i wasn't there i don't know this man but by all accounts this is how like off but like a little aloof and just like shy and not and like withdrawn he was that everyone was like you're going out with a girl like what another human are you sure like another human and you are gonna hang out like that's how off he was that's bleak um but yeah he started his first romantic relationship and the woman chris was dating had just come out of a bad marriage and he never brought her around to meet his family or his co-workers or friends so she existed though i guess she existed chris later said i was helping her to get through her divorce and then she went off with someone else oh and i said that checks okay also i'd like to point out right now so you do know what divorce is yep so you you have seen the basis of divorce because chris watts why the fuck didn't you just divorce your wife i will never understand this as long as i live there's so many know what a divorce was there's so many cases where it's like why did you not just separate and divorce truly truly obviously it's like i know it's complicated i know there's money you don't need to explain it to us we know i'm a child of divorce i get it it sucks for like 18 whole years but it's a hell of a lot better than murdering your pregnant wife and your two children i would say yep i know it's tough i will but it's not that tough i will stand 12 toes down yeah that it's better than murder it's better than family annihilation and i think if you can't agree on that it's a problem yeah uh but between his failure to land the job of his dreams and the messy end to his first real relationship he was feeling discouraged and he wasn't really like psyched to go date again because he was like i got her through this divorce and then she just kind of went off with someone else and she's not a car and she's not a but his cousin cindy not to be confused with his mama cindy uh was able to convince chris to send a facebook friend request to one of his her co-workers uh named shenan and her made a name i believe it's pronounced zuchek okay um i looked it up many many times uh but obviously for the rest most of the story she should go unfortunately goes by shenan watts okay um like chris shenan was also just coming off of a bad breakup and cindy thought the two of them might hit it off they have something in common there yeah in retrospect it is a little weird that she thought that they were going to get along because they were kind of like very obvious opposites okay uh and obviously that can work yeah so maybe that's what she was thinking maybe um chris was very quiet shy reserved withdrawn like we've said shenan was friendly she was gregarious she was outgoing like she was just she was pizzazz you know yeah shenan had grown up in new jersey but moved to north carolina uh in the late 1990s when her father was out of work love one thing i love is a jersey girl a jersey i love a jersey girl yeah we love it and the move meant a new school for shenan and she started attending pinecrest high school this was a progressive school with a focus on the arts okay cool uh in that supportive and collaborative environment she kind of thrived and really came into her own she developed a large circle of friends she excelled socially she excelled academically unlike chris who was just a literal nothing and no one would probably remember him yeah shenan was like just killing it she was thriving love that um and she maintained big close groups of girlfriends especially her entire life which says so much it does say a lot about like i know like some of the details about the way that her friends just rode for her and not says so much about her it cannot be stressed enough how much her friends fucking rode for her and loved her like her friends like we're gonna get into it um they are next level them and nate her neighbor heroes in this whole situation in my opinion same okay so like i think her friends were on it so again she developed this huge circle of friends she was really thriving um her friend colby said she was one of the sweetest girls you could ever encounter in her senior year she started dating leonard king another pinecrest student and the relationship moved pretty fast like faster than anyone expected and she was like oh my god i'm so happy to be with you i'm so happy to be with you before the end of the school year they were engaged oh wow and they were discussing like future plans colby said she was adamant about starting her life and having a family and a few months after graduation they got married wow now the marriage started out great but soon the realities of getting married right outside of high school started creeping in yeah which obviously this works for some people but i don't doubt that there's a ton of extra stressors that come from that because you're not exactly established yet right um so if you're not married you're not meant to be i don't think it's gonna work it's gonna be the thing that kind of pressure tests your relationship after graduation shenan started college and leonard joined the army but when their cost of living went up and they couldn't afford life on one single income shenan dropped out of school and got a job selling cell phones um although it wasn't what she wanted for herself at the time she excelled in sales okay because of her personality right and within a few years she was managing the store wow and handling all the administrative duties good for her your nightmare it's my nightmare i could never her success at the cell phone store led to the store's owner to hire her for his new company wow this company was called the dirty south absolutely iconic it was an automobile customization company that catered to high-end clientele for their cars for their cars uh if it was possible to identify the point where leonard and shenan's marriage kind of started to fall apart it was probably when she took that job really so at the time she was managing the cell phone store and she was managing the cell phone store and the new business often traveling the 130 miles between the two in the same day oh wow that's a lot so they were not really seeing a lot of each other it just wasn't working they tried couples counseling and various other ways to save their marriage they did give it a go you know like they did what they could but in by 2007 too much damage had been done and they divorced shenan later told a friend i went through a real awful divorce and that relationship took a lot from me it literally took everything i had to start financially all over that's brutal but shenan refused to let the experience drag her down she continued working hard at her job she enrolled in some night classes at queen's university and she started looking for property in charlotte where she could start building her own dream home nice because she was making money let's go because she was real good at sales we love an independent lady and she's she was hustling a few years later she signed off on all the mortgage paperwork and started construction on what would be a four thousand square foot twelve room home with four bedrooms and four bathrooms wow that she was doing on her own that's crazy yeah so the excitement of all this becoming a homeowner starting a new life it was soon offset by long periods where she was feeling really exhausted and kind of unwell oh and she was starting to notice it in 2010 she finally went to see a doctor and she was diagnosed with lupus oh fuck it's an autoimmune disease where the body's immune system attacks its own organs and tissues yeah lupus is no joke lupus sucks she later said when they diagnosed me with lupus i was lost oh she didn't know what it was or what to expect so of course she did what any of us would do she went to the internet and tried to search it up and she was immediately terrified by what she found online but it was during this period that shenan received the friend request from chris watts having recently come out of a bad marriage followed by chronic health problems she wasn't exactly interested in getting to know anyone at this point regardless of how well her co-worker cindy thought they would get along so she kind of just ignored it she was like no and it's like oh god oh i just wish she had forever ignored it i know but a few months later when a second message from chris appeared in her inbox she figured she might as well give him a chance and a few weeks later they met for their first date at the epicenter which is an upscale dining and entertainment place in downtown charlotte okay uh contrary to what cindy had told them both they had very little in common and they had a complete lack of chemistry on this first i mean from everything you've described about each of them yeah like i don't see it personally anything i've seen of him i'm like a wet rag has a bigger personality than he does like you're i don't blame her for being like what the fuck is this yeah despite the disappointing evening though chris did manage he pursued okay he managed to convince shenan to give him another chance and a few days later they attended a concert together okay he later said i was persistent trying to pursue her wow which does become a theme a thing for him he becomes obsessed with women he Becomes focused solely on women. We'll see it with his mistress, Nicole. We'll see it with Shanann. We'll see it with later women that he becomes interested in in prison. He becomes very obsessive with somebody because he's a fucking loser. But despite the failure of the previous date, he found himself really drawn to Shanann and was determined to convince her that they were a good match. If you have to convince somebody that you're a good match, I'm sorry you're not. Yeah. It took some time, but eventually he did win her over. And in a few months, she was very happy with him and she was calling him the man of her dreams. Wow. So it sounds like he tried to become what she wanted. Yeah, like he tried to up his game a little bit. Maybe he emulated some qualities and did some Google searches of how to act. Yeah, because as we'll see later, he literally has to Google what does someone feel when you tell them you love them. Yeah. Because he literally doesn't know. Yeah. Because he's not a human being. Like he's a lizard person. That doesn't, it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure he was Googling, what does human boy say to girl? Like he is not a real thing. He's like watching like rom-coms and taking notes. He's scary as hell. And I'm sure that he was able to, because one thing about these scary as hell fucking lizard people who are just empty husks that just look to fill themselves with other people's ideas of emotions. They can blend. They can manipulate too. And they become. Yeah. For you, what you need or want, because that's how they want to get you. But deep down, they are not that. So then they can't live up to that, that fake thing that they've created for you. They can't continue on like that. Yeah. And then it becomes dangerous. Yeah. So she had no way of knowing. No, of course not. That this man is just this empty husk of bullshit that is going to crumble. now over time the various ways that they were compatible started to show themselves which made it a little easier to like go down this path of like maybe we are meant for each other yeah because managing her lupus meant relying on a lot of medications and attending a lot of doctors appointments and like specialist appointments yeah and shenan was not she was a lot of things but she was never a very well organized person we all have her i'm not either sister yeah and chris's lifelong compulsive hyper organization which yeah uh it did come in handy here because before long he would manage her medications for her he would kind of keep her doctor's schedule under control remind her you got to take your meds or like you got to go to this doctor's appointment which at first glance you would look at and say wow that's really kind and like thoughtful and that's somebody who cares about you it's actually you insane that he used to manage her doctor's appointments yeah we'll get there we'll get there so shenan meanwhile made up for chris's social struggles and deficiencies of which he had plenty um she introduced him to her friends and like included him in all their activities kind of like gave him a friend group right essentially and before long chris moved into shenan's house and everything that everyone kind of started to feel pretty confident that like this might work out like i think they're actually working together and as chris was slowly but surely becoming integrated into shenan's life some people especially chris's family were not entirely on board with this uh they did not feel like they were a good fit for each other just like immediately yeah okay um also i want to remind you these are two grown adults um so no one gives a flying fuck if you think that they're fit for each other they gotta figure that out yep uh just putting that out there for anybody who thinks that this is this makes sense chris's sister jamie said we met and we weren't sure it's really not up to you okay because you're not in the relationship okay um when the families got together for the first time chris's parents were immediately suspicious of shenan's lifestyle what they said it didn't seem possible that someone so young could afford such a lavish home okay well she works her ass off here's the thing just because your son is a fucking loser right does not mean everyone is shenan worked her ass off yeah and it's like what do you some people do work their asses off others don't so she is they assume that she was reckless with money that's quite the assumption she built her dream home working two jobs but she was traveling 130 miles back and forth per day but she was reckless okay yeah for sure then there was the fact that she had already been married and divorced by her mid-20s who gives a fuck everybody's you clutch the pearls but like get a grip but the biggest problem at least as far as chris's uh mother was concerned was shenan's mother sandy oh the two women clashed immediately uh and sandy did not walk away from that meeting feeling good about potential for success here uh sandy later said and uh i'd like to point out that sandy was 100 correct here call her nostradamus she said i knew she was gonna be a thorn in the marriage and she was a mama most mamas yeah no no and i think she was like oh you're gonna be a problem oh no now in 2011 shenan's close two closest friends at the time gina and charlie deets moved to broomfield uh colorado and within weeks they were saying shenan you have to move here they said this fresh mountain air will be fucking awesome for your lupus i think it's gonna help you it's a beautiful area like there and she had just experienced a really bad flare-up of the illness in the previous months okay so the idea of moving was appealing in that sense but she had just finished building her dream house right and things were going well with chris so she's like i don't know that's enough that i want to just like up and leave right yeah that august chris and shenan rented a house in ocean isle beach north carolina and invited family to spend some time at the beach with them one afternoon a few days into the vacation chris approached frank who is shenan's father and told him he wanted to ask shenan to marry him okay but only if frank gave his permission not you know one to stand in the way of his daughter's happiness frank immediately gave his blessing and a short time later chris proposed to shenan on the beach and she said yes nice well no i don't know i don't know i don't know if it's true but i don't at the time yeah now a few months later chris and shenan flew to colorado to visit gina and charlie and it was the first time shenan's friends had met her now fiance and they were pleased that after such a disastrous relationship the marriage she had found someone who seemed by all accounts everyone said he seemed very devoted to her okay gina recalled he was very doting attentive kind but shy and introverted they all say this his mother says this with much ire in her voice that he was very doting on shenan but you would think that you'd be proud of your son for being a doting husband i that's my opinion that's what i would think like if i had a son and he was a doting husband i'd be like hell yeah i raised him right yeah like hell yeah treat take care of your lady treat your partner like a fucking queen or king or whatever you know but it was during that trip that the question of moving to colorado came up again gina was convinced it would be better for shenan's health and chris didn't seem to have an opinion one way or another because he's an empty husk everybody like this the idea is going to come up here and like you know his mom likes to say it and stuff that uh look at any interview with them that uh she said she was domineering that shenan or that she was too like you know that kind of person i don't this is just my opinion it's not that it looks like she's very domineering it looks that chris watts is an empty again i say husk that will just take anything yeah and just roll with it until it doesn't work for him anymore and then he explodes it also doesn't work for him anymore and then he explodes it also doesn't work for him anymore seems that he becomes obsessed with women that's my opinion so if the woman that he's obsessed with wants to move to colorado of course he's gonna go in there when he just what does he have going on right he doesn't care sure let's go to colorado everywhere there's cars everywhere in colorado is there cars in colorado let's go to colorado that's how it seems to me yeah you know so he was like yeah i don't really give a shit so during the vacation the couple hired a realtor to take them around the area and look at some properties and by the time they were leaving to go back to north carolina they'd made the decision to move to colorado and he was like yeah i don't really move to colorado as soon as possible okay in fact before they'd even gotten home they'd already come up with a plan chris would move to colorado first and stay with gina and charlie while shenan remained in north carolina to sell the house and kind of wrap up all the affairs on the east coast okay because again they don't have kids at this point it's much easier yeah now chris and shenan's plan to move to colorado became yet another point of contention with the families mama doesn't want her right no while shenan's family was supportive and helped her prepare for the move in the upcoming wedding chris's mom struggled to accept this um i bet she said colorado was shenan's idea how do you know that because you're not at the dinner table you're not when those conversations are happening like you're yeah sorry fuck off yeah like i'm not in the relationship either so i'm not saying it wasn't her idea but you don't know we don't know you don't know that we all share the common thing that we don't know and you know what he was going along with it so what's the for how long like obviously it was fine for a little bit there were also uh grown adults yeah so uh she said why did she want to leave and take him all the way to colorado take him he's a grown adult he's not a child she can't take him anywhere and i literally just wrote here jesus and while the rest of chris's family was a little more supportive than his mom was they still seemed to harbor resentment for this um as they prepared for the engagement party shenan asked jamie his to order the food and she had told jamie to order gluten-free food and she failed to do so which resulted in shenan not being able to eat anything at the engagement party for her wow yeah cool um jamie maintains that it was a mistake or it was a it was a like miscommunication that can happen um for sure it can happen yeah i'm just looking at you know looking at both sides here uh but sandy shenan's mom suspects it was maybe could have been just in her opinion a subtle attempt to punish her for what the watts family did perceive as stealing chris from them yeah because they made it pretty obvious that they felt like she had taken him away so the tension between the families finally came to a head several months later they believed shenan was controlling and overbearing and that she'd manipulated chris to get her way when it came to all the decisions in the relationship that's just how they saw her okay uh when it all finally boiled over chris had a falling out with his family over it years later he said i blew up at my family to the point where i said i didn't need any of it them anymore because i have shenan and then are you ready for it so you hear that and you're like whoa like that you actually took a stance no uh he said i don't know if shenan coached me to do it or if it was just rage like i'd never seen before you don't know he is such a pussy ass wet rag like i can't i'm sorry like you would know if she coached you to do that there would be instances where she would say hey freak out on your family hey your family sucks so convenient of you to say that when shenan cannot dispute that yeah and also grow the fuck up yeah you got you so you stood up for her i don't know if she coached me i don't know you don't know how do you not know you fucking idiot you don't know i can't he's so gross like he's so gross he's just a wimp he is oh it just makes me think of randy and scream when he says billy loomis what a pussy ass wet rag in the stream suit that's literally what he feels like to me she coached you get a fucking grip fucking useless moose knuckle so by april 2012 not a moose knuckle yeah a moose knuckle pussy yeah yeah i said it i stand i stand by it by april 2012 chris had quit his job and moved in with gina and charlie but he stayed in daily contact with shenan who stayed behind to sell the house and it turned out that the house took a little longer to sell than they thought and but by august she finally found a buyer and even made a little bit of a profit nice sale because she's a sales girl hell yeah uh with the house sold she joined chris in colorado and they first shared a small bedroom in the deets's basement until october 2013 when they bought the house in frederick colorado okay which was a small town of about 15 000 people like a lot of people their age chris and shenan and shenan were into social media yeah you know like especially at the time um and much of their life was spent on social media and they were like oh my god i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work i'm gonna go to work documented and shared through like facebook and instagram instagram would like just come out like right around that time did it really yeah i think instagram came out my sophomore year of high school which would have been like 2011 2012 that's crazy yeah um but in the months leading up to the wedding too they're planning a wedding shenan shared just enthusiastic daily updates about wedding planning and she made a point of showing off her engagement ring which was ten thousand dollars hell yeah i was like easy my engagement ring is gorgeous that shocked me it's not ten thousand dollars like that shocked i like okay like that damn i just like that like shocked me i was like whoa ten thousand people determine how much it cost i'm not sure it's just in the documents now around this time tensions between the families had ramped up i mean it was constant didn't think shenan was good enough for him and she didn't like how she treated him and then when it came down to it they decided not to come to the wedding his own parents didn't go to his wedding nope in her reasoning which um there's like interviews that she's given or they have given during like the mom and the dad to people in one of the interviews she literally says we didn't attend because shenan and i just couldn't get along i didn't like the way she treated him i'm sorry if you grow up grow up you just can't get along that's not so you don't go to your only son's wedding that's nuts in my opinion in my opinion that's nuts in my opinion that's rough damn but and it's like what what does that do well they're getting married regardless of whether you're there or not so yeah what did it do oh man all it does is add to tension this is messy so the wedding day finally comes and despite people being jerks about it uh it was on november 3rd 2012 it was a modest ceremony at the hilton in charlotte their family most of their family came and their friends shenan's brother frankie recalled later i was crying thanking god for him being in my sister's life oh wow now because he he could dupe everyone yeah yeah uh now with the wedding behind them chris and shenan left for their honeymoon to myrtle beach they actually were planning to go to cancun but they had to change plans right like at the last second because it was too expensive oh okay uh which we've all been there yeah uh looking back gina Adits recalls having never seen either, like, people so in love. Wow. She said they were very happy. They were newlyweds, and it was wonderful. And just a few months later, they got more happy news when Shanann discovered that she was pregnant. Years earlier, her doctors had actually told her you might have trouble getting pregnant because of the lupus. Oh, really? So this news was, like, even more exciting. Now, between the pregnancy and the new house and the marriage, things were really going well for them. Like the lead up to the wedding, Shanann wanted to document every step of her pregnancy, of course, from photos of her growing tummy to shots of the baby's closet and bedroom as they were filling it with toys and clothing. Yeah, it's really exciting. Gina said before she and I even met, she had clothes for her firstborn. The constant photos and updates on social media really would reflect this couple that's so excited about the birth of their child. Of course. and it did because they were both very very excited about this but it also to some people was looking like they were living beyond their means because they were like buying too much when they really couldn't afford it okay but i mean that's also none of our fucking business yeah um now back in north carolina chris and shenan's combined income had been in like so that money really wasn't a problem for them well the cost of living i'm sure is also a bit yeah yeah well and now shenan was only making like a little over the national minimum wage while most of chris's salary went to bills and the mortgage on the new house at the time so basically they were spending more money than they were making which the only reason why this is important is because financial stress can be a factor in certain like arguments and marriage problems but they didn't seem to worry because they were just putting things on credit cards and just kind of like paying the minimum going okay which can again become a problem if you're a young person listening you can pay more than the minimum you can i didn't know that when i was younger i thought and i fucked my credit at like 19 years old i feel like 99.99 of people fuck their credit up because we don't teach people enough about no we don't learn about it in the system itself is complete bullshit it's literally designed to fuck the credit system is ass it makes no sense even i'm like my credit score doesn't make sense right now no it's ridiculous no no on december 16th 2013 after 16 hours of labor shenan gave birth to a baby girl oh that's a beautiful name she's so cute a few weeks later ronnie and cindy watts chris's parents they came to colorado to visit and to meet their new granddaughter oh that's nice yeah and cindy had hoped they could leave the negative experiences in the past but she wasn't willing to that's tough that's a catch-22 yeah so like you could she was hoping to but she couldn't but she couldn't she found it difficult to look past her feelings towards shenan grow up uh cindy later recalled chris always seemed anxious and when she needed something he would run he wouldn't walk he would run it was very odd also maybe he's anxious because of the tension between you two if he is at all like like okay cindy or he was just a good husband right and she was pregnant like she just had a baby right the hello i'm i'm sorry he's being a good spouse at this time it's almost like i'm like are you are you all right like what is going on it was very odd that he would go she just had a baby wife who just gave birth like sorry about it regardless of what cindy watts felt or believed those who knew chris and shenan knew them as a great couple um their friend chris landon told people later they were the couple that you'd look at and then turn to your husband and be like why aren't we like that wow which is like shocking they said they seemed so supportive of each other it was their public face uh-huh which is clear yeah um in a way chris found a new job as an oil field contractor for covenant testing technologies and nearby greenly greely um the change definitely came at the best time because all the money they had been spending was definitely starting to catch up and this salary increase would go a long way towards getting them out of that hole they definitely had a lot of debt at this point yeah but in january 2015 shenan learned that she was pregnant with their second child just as she'd done with the last pregnancy she wanted to document all this she was documenting bella's life and like all her milestones and she she was just excited about it yeah Yeah. To those following along on Facebook and Instagram. And what's really funny about this right now is in my notes, it auto-corrected Facebook to fake book. Fake book. And I didn't even do that intelligently. That's weird. That is weird. Everybody who saw them on fake book and Instagram would have thought they couldn't look more happy or more well-adjusted as a couple. Behind the scenes, though, things were getting a little challenging. In addition to the growing financial problems that were just kind of stacking on each other, Bella was reaching the age now where she could walk. So she needed a lot more supervision. Once they start walking, all bets are off. Exactly. For the increasingly pregnant Shanann, that becomes an issue. It's tough to keep up with. She couldn't get around very easily. And Chris wasn't around as often as he was during the first pregnancy. The second pregnancy, if you're lucky enough and that's what you want to have a second pregnancy, it is tough. It's so different, I'm sure. Because now all of a sudden, the first one, you're like, well, I don't have a child. Yeah, you're like, I don't have a child. I'm the queen, bitch. I'm the queen of Sheba here. Right. And it's like, but the second one, you're like, oh, shit, it's not about me. I got to keep up with that one that I already made. It's not just about me now. Right. But couples, you know, and we've seen this before. Everybody knows this. People who obsessively post how happy they are online. Are usually not the happiest. Do tend to be trying to compensate for something or just trying to manifest that happiness. Not always, obviously. Not always. I've seen some people who. A lot of time, it is the case. But we need to social media, especially now. I mean, back then it was. Now, I think it's a hundredfold. Social media is complete bullshit. I think back then it was definitely a thing where like people who posted all the time would post how happy they were and like whatever. And it might not be so now. It's almost 100 percent across the board. I think now like it really is. So not to get super woo, but a lot of social media popped off when Neptune was in a really strong placement. And Neptune is the one that's really fascinating. You can go down like a deep hole on that. Yeah. And I think I assume when you're in a not happy situation or not, even at this point, I don't think it was an unhappy situation. I think it was just a challenging and not ideal situation. Like things aren't going exactly how you want them to. So you're not overcompensating. I think you're overcompensating because when people are telling you, wow, you're the cutest couple ever. Makes you feel better. Wow. Couple goals. I want to be like that. Wow. This is so cute. Blah, blah, blah. Your brain can start believing. That that's true. And then it can kind of coast you into the next day kind of thing. It's almost like it just got to get to tomorrow. And these people will tell me I'm great. Well, there's also studies about. But it's so empty. There are so many studies about what likes and comments do to our brain. And it is similar to drugs. Oh, it's unbelievable. Oh, yeah. The way that it stimulates your brain is crazy. And it's scary. It is scary. That's why like I know this isn't about this. We're kind of going off on a tangent. Because we're talking about this. I just want to say taking social media breaks is so healthy. Yeah. I really encourage everybody to do it if they can. When I think I took a year off. That shit was great. It is. It's really it makes you learn to appreciate things that you're not appreciating right now. But back to this. So in order to help with Bella and the soon to be born second baby, Shanann's parents moved into the finished basement in the Watts house. Really? I didn't know that. Yeah, they for a short period of time. They did the addition like as well with two new people in the home. It was Chris said it was stressful, of course. But he also welcomed the help with Bella. Because now they have built in grandparents to help out. He later said when they first got here, they didn't have a job. And so they were around all the time. And sorry, this is his parents. No, her parents. Oh, her parents. Okay. My comment was, I thought that. Yeah. I mean, any parents moving in, I think it's like, oh, yeah. But the presence of her parents, according to him, he felt like it put a strain on everything. And they fought more than they had in the past, according to him. Yeah. Allegedly. Yeah. I think it was just because he was an asshole, personally. By July 2015, Shanann gave birth to their second daughter, Celeste, who would be known as Cece. Such a cute name. She was born with an allergic swallowing disorder that required constant medical attention in the first year of her life. Oh, that's really scary. Which is tough. That's really tough. When you also already have another child, too. Yeah. It's really, really tough. So they'd also, they had filed for bankruptcy before this, which, so it did wipe out a lot of the debt that they were in. But now there was going to be medical bills on top of that. Right. So even with the presence of her parents, Shanann was finding it difficult to keep up with everything. During the day, she was taking care of the girls, trying to keep up with the house. At night, she was working from home as an auditor for a local hospital, desperate to get caught up on everything. In January 2016, she started working part-time as a rep, a rep for a multi-level marketing company selling an energy drink called Thrive. Okay. The job was mostly online. And thanks to her, like, she was pretty adept at social media at this point. And really good at sales. She was really good at it. And she was able to navigate it really well. According to her Facebook posts at the time, the Thrive was helping with her pain management as well. And she had stopped taking her lupus. Wow. The energy drink? Yeah. I have no idea. I did not look into Thrive at all. So I don't know what it is. I'm not, who knows what it is. Right. But the deeper Shanann got into marketing Thrive online, the more she was kind of bringing Chris in for, like, sales pitches and, like, having her be a part of, like, videos and pictures. And Chris was actually using Thrive as well. So he was commenting on, like, his experiences, how it was helping him with certain things. But as author John Glatt wrote, something about the succession of grinning pictures of Chris was hollow. Huh. And if you look at this man, he is hollow. He is very hollow. His eyes are so fucking dead. I've never seen anything like it in my life. When I say the lights are on, but no one's home. Yeah. Like, the lights aren't even on at this point. Yeah. Like, truly, truly scary. Yeah. Scary. Now, as Shanann's success with this continued to grow, she tried to bring Chris on board as a sales rep. But he, shockingly, lacked the charisma necessary to succeed in sales. Which I know. Crazy. You never. You never saw coming. I thought you'd be great at that. You could knock me over with a feather. Chris said, she put me underneath her. So that. Well, she started this. She's bringing you in, babe. Right. And he said, if I wanted to talk to somebody at the mall or the pool about Thrive, I would just stumble all over my words. It's like, okay, so you're not good at sales. Yeah. Who gives a shit? Despite his struggles to grow his sales here, Shanann continued to enthusiastically celebrate him on social media. She really strengthened that outward appearance. She was one of the parents of this happy couple while there was definitely some tension underneath. Now, by the end of 2016, her social media presence became even bigger than it had ever been. She was, like, really staying consistent posting because, like, that is how you do it if you want to grow an audience to get paid to do this, which is what she was trying to do. Yep. And she was posting a lot about Chris, too, because she, I think she desperately wanted this marriage to be what she thought it was. Right. And she's posted one in late November that was captioned, My husband, Chris, he is my biggest supporter. He's an amazing father to our beautiful girls and the best husband ever. She was just, like, always trying to pump him up. Yeah. In early 2017, Sandy and Frank, Shanann's parents, packed up their things and moved back to North Carolina. Like, things had settled a bit. Seemed to even out. By April, Shanann was working on Thrive full-time, managing her own business and Chris's social media presence, operating, like, you know, both things at once. Well, it appeared to most people that things were now going pretty well for the couple. Chris's mother, Cindy, said she could sense a growing tension between them. Could she? So other people thought it was fine, but she could sense it. Could she all the way from North Carolina? That's crazy. Cindy said, I've never seen her scream at Chris, but I'm sure there was something in private. What? Because she always had that angry look on her face, like she was disgusted with him. You can be angry at somebody and not scream at them, and if you never saw any evidence of her screaming. Screaming at him? Why would you think that she screamed at him? What I have to say is, you know what they say about assuming, Cindy? Something about ass. I don't know. Something about ass? I don't know what. I don't remember it. I don't remember the saying. I just don't think we should assume that she's screaming at him in private. If you've never seen that happen. Whether or not Cindy was right about her assessment of Chris and Shanann's relationship, she wasn't the only person at this point that was noticing a change in the dynamic a little bit. In the late summer, she was like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. In the summer of 2018, a young woman named Nicole Nikki Kessinger began working at the oil company where Chris worked, and his co-workers couldn't help but notice Chris being a fucking ogling, creepo, loser, fuckface, and just staring at her. It's the worst when you see that your co-worker is like that. Yeah. When you see that your co-worker is this ogling, little. Creep face, fuck face. Just a lech. Like, that's what he looks like to me. Not a lech. And he's staring at her all the time. One co-worker said Chris would be on his laptop, and when she'd walk by, he'd look up and stare at her awkwardly. Ew. Which I'm like, what got you about that, girl? Like, I don't know if that would do it for me. But okay. I know that that would not do it for me, in fact. Wouldn't do it for me. Now, although their work shouldn't have really brought them in contact very often, because they were on two separate things, like in this company, before long, Chris seemed to be finding ways to. to casually run into Nicole around the office. imagine that um she later said it was always hit or miss it wasn't an everyday thing in the beginning okay uh regardless the attraction between them seemed to be undeniable and chris apparently didn't know what a divorce was so good um in june 2018 shanan excitedly posted that she and chris were expecting a third child you know his reaction in that post yeah is bonkers it's pretty bonkers he literally goes awesome awesome well if i told my husband i was pregnant and he said awesome yeah uh just one day after shanan posted about her pregnancy chris and nikki spoke for the first time uh she recalled he started talking about his kids and then she mentioned yes i and he said yes i have a wife but we're getting separated now what's confusing for me is there was this and then she said that at first you didn't say that he had kids she didn't find that out for a while so i'm not sure which one is very stories yeah i just i'm not sure which one is correct okay but yeah he supposedly told her allegedly that he was getting separated from his wife if you look at the discovery documents maybe um i guess you'll just have to look at them and kind of take what you will from that yeah and also when asked his mother said that she didn't believe he was happy at all for the pregnancy which is disgusting he knows how babies are made that's he's made too you can avoid so like you know you're not excited to have another child and if you are planning on getting separated maybe don't do that don't do that yeah don't have another child if you are actually planning on separating it's pretty simple um but chris showed nikki uh pictures of the girls neglecting to mention that there was another one on the way which which that is correct she found out in the media later she had no idea that she was pregnant because that probably would have changed things i would hope at least and she liked that he was an enthusiastic father or seeming to be um later that day she sent him an email thanking him for being honest about his relationship status with his wife and she wrote truthfulness is so underrated in our culture and in his reply chris commented he was a straightforward guy and that lying just complicates things well he's a really bad liar so i do believe that he felt that way it does complicate things he's not great at it he might be the worst liar on planet earth the polygraph examiner literally congratulated him on how bad of a liar he was yeah if you watch the interview that he's doing which we're gonna get into yeah lies lies lies lies lies lies bad bad bad lies he also in that same one told her how absolutely stunning he thought she was excuse me while i vomit for an indefinite amount of time yeah you fucking piece of shit i have a lot you fucking piece of shit now in the days that followed uh chris and nicole changing now this is the days that followed after his wife announced her third pregnancy yep they continued exchanging casual messages through their work email but after a week they started texting and sending messages through less official channels meanwhile shenan filled her days with you know trying to keep the house together yeah working posting about her pregnancy and like trying to work on father's day she posted a long message about how devoted chris is to their family and how lucky she was to have him and she said she was so lucky to have him and she said she was so lucky to have him alongside a video of bella singing a special song she'd memorized just for him bella who he smothered and shoved into an oil tank in case you don't know the case that's horrific i hate this man with every fiber of my fucking being same now later chris said of his relationship with nicole i thought it was just flirting i didn't think that something would actually happen and then ready for his like oh my god i've just never been in a relationship with anybody before you weren't pursued by shenan when you guys got together shut the fuck that little innocent doe-eyed baby boy act doesn't fucking work like it's disgusting oh i just never had a lady interested in me before like gee golly it was just so neat i couldn't have a relationship that you say you had before shenan you also the fuck up dated and married shenan he's such a waste of chromosomes but seeing how their relationship unfolded it's like i don't know i don't know i don't it's kind of hard to accept that chris was doing nothing more than flirting because it ramped up pretty quick for flirting to be what you were thinking was happening here uh after they stopped sending messages through work emails chris and nikki began or nicole whatever began taking steps to communicate through means that wouldn't be discovered but wait a minute i thought he was he was separating from his wife i thought this was okay so why would you not need to be discovered i don't know i don't know uh at first chris gave nicole the number for his work phone knowing that shenan regularly checked his personal phone oh why are you hiding it yeah huh then a few days later nicole told him that they should start communicating only through their private phones so no one at work would know they were talking okay why why i don't know i thought this was okay weird um very strange uh but chris may not have set out to have an affair with nicole um initially when he was just ogling her in the in the office you probably just didn't think it was possible the precautions that they were taking in order to keep their communication secret makes it hard to believe the whole thing was uh flirting yeah seems weird yeah i can't imagine that i'd say so but hey that's just me using logic which is something that both of them seem to treat as like an optional subscription service so i don't know i don't know we're not on the same thing here not on the same playing field i think so the more chris and nicole got to know each other the more he shared about his life with shenan she did say chris said that she was all about appearances and all aspects of life it was so nice that you're talking shit to your mistress about your pregnant wife he said that shenan pretended everything was fine and that they never argued anything like that is she supposed to be posting your arguments on yeah i'm not really do you want her to post what a shit stain you are it was about two years earlier that he said he felt like the marriage had started to go bad for them so you should have separated and nicole of course said he tried he said he tried to talk to her many times but it fell on deaf ears okay cool the more time chris spent with nicole the more his troubles with shenan seemed to fade into the back of his mind because now he's distracted by the end of july the two of them were in constant communication his mistress and him and they were sneaking off to hotels or nicole's apartment whenever they could find the time chris assured nicole that he was getting a divorce that's what is alleged um well they always do yeah so they could finally be together but until that happened she wanted to take things slow baby you gotta see divorce papers if you're gonna get set up with a man who's separated quote unquote well and she wanted to take things slow and maybe she did i don't know maybe take a look at the discovery documents and see i don't know maybe they to me they were a whole thing but maybe we just have different different definitions of slow maybe who knows i don't know who can be sure i wasn't there yeah so she said he was like in fifth gear the entire time maybe it was up to me to hit the brakes but he was so kind to me why was i gonna push him away because he was married and his wife was pregnant i literally wrote because he was married with children nicole that's why nicole it's pretty simple babe i gotta tell you when a guy is telling you no i am gonna divorce my wife he's not and even if he is cool then he will wait until he does like that it just he can't have his cake and eat it too you'll sleep better you will that's the thing and it's like i'm not saying this is her fault i'm not saying anything like that so like no i'm your tits i'm just saying it just for you you're like don't let him have his cake and eat it too don't let him take care of that situation and then you can feel good about going forward that's just my opinion on the whole thing don't be the other woman be the main bitch exactly that's my motto and you just like he's not he's gonna keep telling you that exactly and you don't want to be listening to him like that no make him prove it yeah like that's the thing it's like if he really is unhappy in that relationship and they are together not happy then they will divorce or separate and you will be able to continue a relationship it just doesn't it's always messy when you are going to get involved before their divorce at least from what i have seen in my life that is just my from experience personal like what i've seen that's all okay i'm not saying i'm an expert on this i'm not saying anything like that no it's just just saying just just that now july 24th this is directly from the discovery documents which we will link in the show notes so it is fact this is official uh july 24th 2018 uh nicole googled quote man i'm having an affair with says he is leaving his wife oh july 25th 2018 chris googles are you ready when to say i love you when to say i love you in a new relationship what do you feel when someone says i love you and how does it feel when someone says i love you okay let's save the latter two when do you say i love you in a new relationship when you're divorced yeah when you're officially going through the process of getting divorced um and also when you and your wife are living separately why are you asking what human emotions feel like let's get like what why are you asking why are you asking a search engine babe you have kids and you don't know what love feels like you that's you've been with somebody and married and you don't know what love feels like we can laugh and joke like obviously there's a lot to laugh and joke about there but it actually at its very core is so scary it is horrifying that he asked google what does it feel like when somebody says i love you well not and you and later in one of the interviews his mom says like he's not the psychopath like he's not a sociopath i'm not armchair diagnosing here because i i don't know what he is he's something though if you have to ask google what it feels like when somebody says i love you that as a grown person who's been in loving relationships or what seemed like loving relationships you what like as a father i'm like what do you feel when your kids tell you because he's not even saying like what does it feel like when someone loves you he's saying like what does it feel like when someone says i love you right people have said they love you so you should why don't you know what that feels like but apparently it doesn't penetrate him that's it's so scary it is chilling yeah now the discovery document also shows that nicole was googling both shenan and chris's facebooks for long periods of time intermittently okay so then wouldn't she be seeing the videos where shenan is saying what a great father and husband that chris is that's that's what i'm a little confused about and again i'm not no i'm just saying i'm just saying like what i do wonder what were you thinking when you were seeing her posting these but then again if i'm gonna give the the devil's advocate here then i'm gonna say well okay she's seeing those she's probably going to chris i'm gonna say well okay she's probably going to chris i'm gonna say well i'm being like and he's saying she's all about it and he's like well she's just about social media and appearances of course she's posting that oh man because this is what this guy does you know yeah now whether or not you know shenan by all accounts and from the discovery documents when you can see their text messages between each other it didn't seem like she knew that he was having an affair it seemed like she was suspecting it okay and she just didn't of course didn't want to know yeah but that summer she had to know something changed between them because it was definitely happening it's very evident that she was understanding that uh chris was never great at communication which is not a shock but the more time he spent with nicole the less he seemed to have anything to say to shenan by mid-july it seemed that even his commitment to secrecy had started to slip because on more than one occasion he stayed the night at nicole's apartment what the fuck just stayed out didn't come home to his pregnant wife and two children that's fucked and by the end of july they had expressed their love for each other so that google search july sounds good uh and he vowed again to divorce his wife so they could be together but he hadn't yet now throughout much of the summer shenan and the girls were actually in north carolina visiting family chris had found an excuse to stay behind in colorado of course he did so he could be with nicole yeah uh those weeks that shenan was away were according to chris the freest he had ever felt in years without his children and away from his pregnant wife and the thought of that coming to an end was so deeply frustrating that's so scary he spent the entire time with his mistress and in the later interviews with police she said that they had to lie to the babysitter so she wouldn't know where they that they were beat together when they came home from this trip shenan went on a work trip and he was still going out with his mistress and having the babysitter babysit the kids and telling them that he was going on to work with them and he was still going out with his mistress and having the babysitter babysit the kids and telling them that he was going on to work with them and he was still going on to work with them and he was still going on to work with them and he was still going on to work things what the fuck and she knew that i'm gonna keep my comments now back to the north carolina trip with the girls and shenan being gone shenan was looking forward to returning home from this trip uh she wanted to see chris she wanted to talk about things um but during the trip if you again look at the discovery documents where there's all the text messages it's pretty fucking heart-wrenching the discussions between the two or is her literally begging him to give her anything just any kind of confirmation that he loved her confirmation that he was excited to have another baby while she's carrying his child she's begging him for confirmation that he loves her and at one point she says how do you fall in love with out of love with someone in five weeks oh my god and she's literally saying to him this came out of nowhere right like literally came out of nowhere she said when he when she showed back up he was cold and distant again she was saying this to friends like texting them because he was a spineless little thumb and he should have just said i want to get separated yeah now the first two weeks of august were a huge departure from the norm in the house the more chris pulled away from shenan the more she was just begging him to open up and talk to her about what was wrong and as far as she could tell everything had been fine when she left for north carolina and she said now that he was home he wanted nothing to do with her like didn't even want to touch her she told a friend that it felt like it came out of nowhere she kept asking over and over like how do you fall in love with out of love with somebody so quickly and august 4th which is in the beginning of august where we are right now where this is all falling apart nicole searched wedding dresses for two hours oh fuck for two hours that's according to the discovery documents now between all of this are multiple texts again where shenan is upset and begging him for anything she says they were all over each other when she left and couldn't get enough of each other and she's like and then all of a sudden you don't want anything to do with me that's how quickly from somebody else he had five weeks of his mistress and now he has shut off everything to shenan like he she says he would barely kiss her at the airport oh and during some of the most emotional texts that she's sending these big long blocks of texts where she's spilling her entire heart out chris watts was googling the distance between moon and earth what yeah what his pregnant wife is spilling her heart out to him begging him just to tell her that it's okay and that he loves her and that he's going to take like that they're going to be a family and that all of this and he is sitting there googling in the middle of these texts what's the different distance between earth and the moon so she literally meant nothing to him at this point he is to be that unbothered unbothered while you're pre i can't express this enough like i cannot your pregnant wife and mother of your already two born children is begging you to give her anything and you're doing a science experiment yeah he went he didn't answer one at one point and when she was just going on and on and on and she goes she literally said i'm your pregnant wife is spilling their heart out to you and our marriage is crumbling before us and you're just falling asleep he's not even falling asleep and he and at that point i think he did he's applying for an internship at nasa what the fuck like what is wrong with you august 8th 2018 according to the discovery documents where our official record um nicole searched quote marrying your mistress oh so she yeah to call yourself the mistress too is like well it implies you know of course it does i'm just saying that that search implies you know i'm not saying i'm covering my ass here i'm not saying no i know but oh um shenan at this point was also googling um because she had come home and when she came home they went through a lot they were going through everything but then shenan said like they were having good discussions when she got home they were starting to talk through things he was still being in touch with her and she was like i don't know i don't know i don't know and he was still saying some things like i don't know what's going on my head and she was googling emotion-based couples therapy she was googling different couples therapy things she was like really trying to fix this whole thing which like i can only imagine like you know how it feels to be pregnant like i'm sure your emotions are high already in a perfect marriage and then to have this asshole as your partner like that she doesn't need to be under that much stress no now august 9th shenan went on a work trip to arizona and again she was in a much better mood where and she was talking to friends saying that you know she was having discussions he had told her he loved her again because he wasn't saying that before but she said he was still cold and at the same time that this is going on that she's texting her friends that things are getting better he was transferring pictures of nicole onto a secret calculator app on his phone he does that often okay they sent a lot of pictures to each other and he had a secret calculator app which he would keep them in so shenan couldn't find them and those things get transferred into that app during the weirdest fucking times let me tell you go take a peek at those discovery documents and read the text messages so that's an app designed to look like a calculator that you can like hide shit in i suppose i did not look it up exists it's just called a secret calculator app in the discovery documents and i didn't look any further than that i need to look at what a secret calculator i used to i was like i don't even want to know that this exists is that like designed for cheating probably pisses me off because it's probably like looks like a calculator so it's like you would never i'm looking but remember if you have an iphone there's only one calculator on there yeah it is a thing they're vault apps disguised this is from google as functional calculators to hide photos video files and notes behind a pin why do those exist these apps operate with a private password what so he was he transferred photos particularly of nicole into that app several times yep and in the middle of very intense very emotional conversation with his wife one of these apps you can hide photos and videos it includes a secure browser so you can like separately google crazy shit wow notes and the ability to take new pictures directly into the app wow i did not know that was a thing you can even know who did you can even put contacts in there you know who did know that that was a thing chris watts chris watts meanwhile as he's doing that shenan had ordered a book on amazon about talking through problems as a couple and like finding love together again oh my god when it was delivered she was in arizona and got a notification that it was delivered so she was like go check the mail they found that book in the garage in a trash can are you fucking he's disgusting so while the time now while she's in arizona on this work trip they had very nice text messages back and forth with each other they were talking about the girls saying they loved each other during this time calling each other like he called her boo like they were like very sending pictures of the girls to each other commenting on the girl like talking about the new baby days before hours before he would murder them all and at the same time he was also hanging out with the mistress and like lying to the babysitter yep that was during that trip yep awesome that now on august 11th uh nicole and chris went to dinner and usually now this is when uh shenan is in arizona and usually according to nicole he paid for dinner with gift cards to hide it from his wife because remember he's divorcing her but she can't know about this but that night he used a credit card and she was shocked by this and took it as a sign that he was really ready to leave her i take it as a clear indication that he didn't plan for it to be a problem anymore it's so crazy that you just got to this part of the story because i was just thinking to myself at what point did he decide to murder her feels like it might have been here yeah it's at the very least very highly suspect to me yeah that he's you know and i understand that nicole took it as like okay he's ready yeah of course she's not gonna think he's gonna murder his wife yeah of course like no nobody thinks that way i'm sitting here saying looks to me like he didn't think it would be a problem i don't know i don't know what he was thinking there but that's so scary in the discovery documents you will also see that he regularly frequented myprepaidcenter.com which was a prepaid visa site where you could reload onto that so he was only using gift cards usually in recovered text this is just a side thing because it shows you how fucking weird he is in a text recovered from their phones which by the way nicole and chris deleted a lot of their texts when he was arrested but they still found them of course they did yeah you can't actually delete but they show in the discovery documents which ones were deleted and she also deleted all his stuff off her phone when they brought her in for questioning yikes but that's just fact yeah um he also called her his sexy empanada no at one point and here's the thing i just stumbled on that one i how could i ever be looking for that empanada is like a meat pie thank you i just thought that was interesting it it popped up i 11 30 at night last night i'm sitting there scrolling like a fucking goblin through these discovery documents like the text that popped up and i said i'm sorry what he was super socially awkward that's the thing like who's called my sexy empanada to be a to be a pet name like get out of here if you ever called me his sexy empanada i'd be like what did i do to upset you literally i'd be like what is that like why are you trying to insult like are you all right sexy empanada had to throw that in there because it was just so absurd what um and again i highly highly suggest that if you um if you have some time on your hands to take a peek through the discovery documents because they really do give you such an overview of what was going on what well i do what they were searching what they were talking about things between him and shenan it gives you a better picture of shenan and his relationship that's what i was just gonna say besides what other people were there's so many rumors when it comes to this case and it's sad look at the discovery because a lot of them are like a lot of people shit on shenan i know and say she was domineering and she was this and she was that so i agree with you go look at the discovery because no matter what i don't give a shit she didn't deserve to be murdered and also i don't care if she was domineering like clearly who knows i don't know i wasn't in the relationship she doesn't deserve to be murdered of course not and clearly she was blindsided by this well that and that's what i mean like the discovery documents really give you a clearer picture of what their relationship was and like what how they were talking to each other right and it's that's what i'm trying to get at i'm trying to get at what she was like or whatever she's not here to to negate that to say what was happening or speak on it so it's really fucked up to be like well she was domineering okay so he should strangle her to death right in front of her children like is that really what we think here like come on get a grip now in the more the early morning hours of august 13th 2018 shenan returned home from the work trip in arizona she had sent him a text before taking off on the plane that said finally on plane shenan returned home from the work trip in arizona about to take off prayers for a safe flight love you exclamation point and he didn't respond nice pregnant wife was getting on a plane home and didn't respond wow after being dropped off at the house um by her friend nikki atkinson nicole atkinson because he couldn't bother to go pick her up from the airport um i'll give him this it was very late it was in the middle of the night and the girls were home okay so he would have had to take them out at like one o'clock in the morning so i'll give him that all right but she went inside leaving her suitcase by the front door and she walked up to bed trying not to wake the girls hours later shenan's friend friend of the century yeah hours later shenan's friend friend of the century nicole atkinson called shenan's phone to check in shenan had missed an appointment with her ob-gyn that's why i said earlier yeah it's very interesting that he used to manage her doctor's appointments well once he got distracted yeah clearly wasn't doing that anymore and she so she missed the appointment responded to any of their texts so nicole was getting worried um when she couldn't get a hold of shenan by phone nicole atkinson went to the house and found it empty uh but she found shenan's car there her shoes that she always wore were by the door she could see them and she was like something's off so she assumed chris was at work but shenan and the girls were nowhere to be seen so concerned about her friend she called chris at work but he said he hadn't seen shenan since she got home earlier that morning so a group of her friends all band together to text chris their concerns they she had friends let me tell you her friend cassandra who like goes by cassie texted him about it and her uh his response was she went to a friend's house with the kids she won't tell me where though when i got home i'll update you what she won't tell you where what and like her friends are texting you i would assume that they may know her other friend well that was what was immediately a suspicious to them because like who is this friend yeah what the fuck is this friend i don't know i don't know what the fuck do you mean this is her friend group so they pressed they didn't let it go they said they knew that the couple was having issues and that shenan was in a bad way emotionally because of this and they were worried he was most concerned about them not thinking he was a bad guy meanwhile this is hours out of him murdering his pregnant wife and children by the way but he doesn't want her friends to think he's a bad guy but shenan's the one that's all about appearances cassie responds queen shit right now i don't care about you or your friends i don't care about you or your relationship or what type of person you are or not or what you what i think of you i'm not trying to be rude when i say that and she was like but just what the fuck's going on right like she was like i literally don't care about you and i don't care about your voice like they were like we don't even like you we just care about shenan meanwhile during this he was texting a realtor about their unfinished basement what yeah discovery document cassie told him her only concern was quote for his damn wife and her well-being good and then she let him have it she told him nikki was calling the police nicole she was calling the police and said so unless you want the police to bust your damn door down you get home and check on your family period queen shit he re queen shit chris was desperate for them not to call the police he begged them not to he said he was coming home and they were like fuck you because what like your wife and children are missing why are you begging us not to call the police exactly so nikki atkinson called the frederick police department to report shenan missing and asked that they go to the house to conduct a well-being check yeah also there was a group chat with shenan's friends and her in it and one of them said at the time the police are here and they need to check chris's phone and computer wow here's the thing if i went missing no i tell you right now i know for a fact nope that none of my friends first reaction would be john did it nope same if your first reaction is that heavily i think he might have done it he's might have done it yeah like at the very least he's a piece of shit like that i can guarantee i even said this in front of deb and everybody i was like would you have thought she said no to check john's phone and computer she was like nope that would not even cross my mind like that's bad and during all of this his mistress nicole called him and he called her several times but on both ends they had deleted the calls sus which like why did you do that sus also during this time during this time during this time during this time hours after what we find out later he had killed his pregnant wife and his three and four-year-old daughters he had we'll get into it later don't worry he had buried shenan's body in an oil field and he had shoved the bodies of his three and four-year-old daughters into an oil tank that they could barely fit into and now during the time when her friends are now freaking out and he knows what he's done he sent one final image of his mistress to that secret calculator are you fucking kidding me it's in the discovery documents what the fuck dude i was speechless that takes an evil like i can't comprehend yeah and also what are you well that's what are you doing do you think that the police don't see those well that's the thing i'm like i think he thought that would be like secret from everybody wow what a fucking moron because it's because it's a wind tunnel up there it is a wind tunnel like wow that is just so diabolical your children are submerged in an oil tank and your pregnant wife and unborn child are in the dirt at your work and you're sitting there sending spicy images to a secret fucking file you just killed three children and your wife like i'm just like my brain literally can't comprehend you just annihilated your entire family and it's like let's call it what it is well that's and maybe it's because this case in particular one it's so brutal and so unthinkable but two we have those discovery things and we have so much documentation of every movement of it that you can really see everything in real time about his day-to-day and it's just like whoa because a lot of cases we don't get that we don't get the like the full-blown what's what is he doing while this is all happening and you get to see this and it's just like oh my god the lack of humanity it's something about that just like threw me for a fucking loop like those are your children yeah those are your children and the discovery showed that um nicole kessinger uh also spent four hours searching the internet for chris watch shenan's disappearance and he's like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry and things like it but she deleted it okay she also searched she also searched and again this is all in there i'm not yeah she also searched can cops uh find delete deleted text messages yes how long do phone companies keep text messages and then she deleted all of that girl no i'm sorry the people that think that when you delete something from the internet that it's just where do you think it goes i don't think they can recover like that's such simple thinking i know that like because of what we do like we're so much more privy to that kind of information but like i think even when i was a teenager i didn't like get into crazy shit because i was like like because i'm normal but also like i'm normal i know that everything can be tracked i just don't get the and also it's just like and it looks suspicious right no matter what even if you have nothing to do with anything just don't do that it just doesn't look good no so an officer arrived at the watts house a little after 1 30 p.m and with chris's permission he entered the house as um nicky atkinson had said there was no sign of shenan and the girls more concerning was that while shenan herself was missing her car phone and wallet were all still inside the house and her suitcase was still by the front door nothing else in the house appeared to have been disturbed there was no sign of break-in because he had killed them upstairs in chris and shenan's bedroom they found her wedding ring on the bedside and she was like on the bedside table which i think he planted it makes sense now to be clear he let them in but first he went through the garage and made them wait for several minutes before letting them in yeah so now their neighbor nathaniel trina stitch who i will refer to as nate homie of the century another hero here there's so many people that really came out came through to really push this thing way farther way quicker than it probably would have if they had not been honestly like it takes a lot of like chutzpah to like stick your neck out yeah and these people in an investigation when like you're literally in the room with cops yeah it's like very impressive because that can be intimidating because i it's that's hard yeah and i'm glad that these people did so nate the watts's neighbor called police inside of his home to show them security camera footage that had a great view of watts's driveway as well as the road in front of all the houses chris had no idea that there was a clear shot of his son's car and his wife's car and his son's truck pulling in and out of the driveway that morning wow and if you watch the body cam footage of him watching this he is freaking the fuck out i have never seen his hands are folded on top of his head and he's sweating like he can barely breathe swaying back and forth he's losing his reaction is so guilty you can tell in this moment that he said i'm caught he's got his it's wild like and then every now and then he'll just stop watching the footage and look at his phone i have a question because i asked john this and he was like are you fucking kidding me if i was like if i was missing and our children were missing and our neighbor said i have security camera footage of the whole outside of your house at the time that she has been gone glued to it you would be looking at every fucking pixel on there hoping to see something yep you would be glued to it yep he barely looks at it he keeps looking away he keeps looking at his phone aren't you waiting to see if someone came and stole your whole family no because he knows that nobody did i just like i like you would never look away from that you can find this video by the way and yeah you can go watch this video uh we'll see if we can post one of them i think drew and i were talking about it because he drew's not even super into true crime but he remembers this case and he was like i remember that being like one of the craziest breaks in this case oh yeah i showed john he was shocked he's losing it his eyes are bugging he's swallowing hard his voice is shaking and he tells the cops several times that he had been bringing tools out to his truck a lot and nate is watching this fucker and also contradicting everything he said like nate is not afraid to be like no not true so when the detective rolls up nate has already checked the footage to see if shenan left the house during the time period she's been missing or if someone else showed up and left with her nope and he tells the detective right away no one is caught on that camera and he says i would have caught it one of the people in the house says that they only have chris pulling up to right up to his garage and they're like why did you pull right up to the garage and they said he never does that and he immediately gets defensive and is still trying to say he just has so many tools that he was loading so many tools loading just tools all over the place did i mention tools and loading them into my truck because i did that i do that it's my thing like he literally mentions these tools and loading them a hundred times and he's also looking at his phone but you can see he's doing that thing that you do to not have to look anyone the eyes like it's why like where you're just like pretending to be on your phone like you can see while he's beeping and booping that it's the move you make when you're uncomfortable in public and you just want to like look busy yep so you just kind of like open and close apps on your phone and don't actually do anything he's doing that we've all done it but we haven't all been doing that to cover the fact that our neighbor just cracked the case of us annihilating our entire family six hours earlier he's a fucking idiot during this nate absolutely destroys chris's nervous system further by explaining that his camera actually picks up anyone coming down the street from any direction so if someone left or someone came they would have got it on camera and then he just clicks it back on and says and this is him at 5 17. while this happens did you think chris would miss another opportunity to mention him loading tools no don't worry he's still talking about loading tools the problem here is that he isn't looking at the footage he won't look at the footage so he wouldn't know what he was doing i would be crouched down just staring at this footage trying to find something nate just keeps reiterating that if he he would have seen someone on this tape if there was any action at this house and he even shows them the previous night where it caught you cars coming from each direction he's like oh and look at this day three days ago where it caught somebody coming from this direction he is not this security system doesn't quit yeah he's like myself he said hell yeah let's he said this fucker is weird yeah and you should be seeing this so they see him loading shenan and the children into the car they see so that's the problem what he did was he pulled he backed up into his driveway he opened the garage and he backed up so the bed of the truck is in the garage where you can't see he put shenan in the bed of the truck and then he brought the girls into the truck so can does the footage show him putting the kids in the truck at like a you can't see it because it's like on the other side of it so you see him going in there yeah but and you can see that he's doing something now at this point the detective is speaking to his radio like talking to another detective and chris is like do they need me next door should i leave should i go should i get out of here away from this fuck out of there and the cop is like no but he just wants to get the fuck up out of there so badly he's so upset at this point he is like cracking and then something incredible happens no this is next level you can't tell me that some force is not at work yeah like you cannot tell this is incredible right next to chris as he looks away the screen changes it's a american horror story commercial it's a commercial showing a fetus in a womb chris looks over right as it appears and he stares at it for a second and then he looks up at the cop and he has a look he looks like he's about to puke yep and he says she was pregnant too like it like made him confess that and he says that this and as he says that the screen next to him changes to an explosion like a mushroom cloud which so weird for that to happen and then a skull being covered by oil what are the odds of that what are the odds that those two images were next to each other and that's just like a lapse in nate showing the security camera that's just him like clicking back out of it and into it again by happenstance yeah that's not happenstance that is some fucking universal shit at work and when chris turns his entire body away from the tv at this point it's wild he's sweating he honestly sounds out of breath and like his voice is trembling all of a sudden he was affected by it how could you not be it was unbelievable but when also i'm sorry for him to go and she's she's pregnant as well yeah you didn't mention that at the top of the fucking day when you when she got reported missing yeah why is that just coming up hello now when chris does well he didn't report her missing so but like all we're this far into this where the neighbor's like oh i have security camera footage and you still haven't told your the cops that your wife missing is pregnant he doesn't care that's just bonkers like be better at he doesn't oh he he's so bad better at a lot of things he sucks at all of this it's nuts when chris does leave finally when he's like when you know fate shines upon him and lets him out of that house nate immediate he literally watches him leave waits for the door to shut looks right at the detective and says he's not acting right he's not he points out the inconsistencies the lack of video showing anyone coming or going besides him the fact that he never loads tools in and out of his garage and points out his body language how he didn't look worried he kept over explaining the loading tools into the truck thing and the fact that according to nate quote chris is not acting he's normally quiet real subdued he's over here telling you three times what he took out and what he did what he did what he did he never talks so the fact that he's over here blabbing his mouth makes me kind of suspicious his neighbor literally gave that detective a fucking gift because he hammered him in front of that detective yep and made it so much easier to see what was going on here he also says that they were clearly having problems when shenan left for vacation for five weeks and he said him and his wife were actually worried that something had happened to her during those five weeks that's telling it is it's unbelievable footage to be honest it's truly unbelievable the entire thing what's important though is how shenan's friends fucking did the damn thing her neighbors her friends like nate everybody they didn't let up they put pressure on him and within like six hours of him killing his entire family he was having to answer for it already he had no time to formulate a fake story or try to cover something up he was having to answer for it already he had no time to like he thought he would have he was finding himself with his feet held firmly to the fire right away and he was fucking up that night he facetimed his mistress hello according to the discovery he said she said he was sitting on a bare mattress when he did and she asked where the sheets were and he was all cagey and said he just wanted to wash them why would you want to wash the sheets when your wife went missing from that house and your children did allegedly which by the way he murdered shenan in their bed yep so she said he was quiet and that he just kind of stared at her during the call he loves to just he's such a fucking lech like he's such a weird creepy fuck also remember his whole family is missing quote unquote and he's facetiming his mistress in his room like that would put that would give me pause excuse me and him in his wife's room like that would give me a lot of pause now according to discovery documents as well on 13th uh nicole his mistress found out through the media that his wife was pregnant she did not know before oh so she found out that day that shenan went missing and she confronted him about it and his response was to ask does this ruin our relationship the fact that your missing wife and two children and unborn child are missing no he was just concerned with also shenan was only i believe like 15 weeks yeah 15 weeks so like do the math there babe like he had a relationship with both of you and also it's just like you're saying shenan is all about appearances all you gave a shit with her friends about was don't think i'm a bad guy don't think i'm a bad guy and now to nicole your mistress you're saying like does this ruin everything i don't want it to ruin everything you still want to pursue somebody while your whole family and children are missing and nicole even said like that uh kessinger even said that at this time he did not seem concerned for his family and instead was solely focused on their that had to have been scary yeah and i think it was for her also there was some talk about like should i pawn her wedding ring that was going on during this time i don't know exactly what was said so i won't pretend i do but there was like some talk of that why would you pawn her wedding ring exactly she's just missing on august 14th he the next day he gave what is quite possibly the most damning and guilty interview with the denver abc affiliate station that i have ever or will ever see in my life we were pausing at certain parts like just like to move on to the next thing and if you pause he will be full-blown smiling ear to ear at certain points i have watched this video like a hundred times at this point and then i watched this um there's this um body language clinical psychologist and body language expert dr g on he's on tiktok and on youtube i think um we'll link him because he's i think he's fascinating um he's really good at like analyzing these things because he doesn't go overboard and he'll say like hey don't pay attention to this thing this isn't really telling kind of thing um so i watched it a bunch then i watched a video with him to go through it and what i saw was chris watts is fucking dead-eyed in this like dead-eyed to the point where you're like is this a condition like what's going on why do you have nothing behind there no smiling no we're gonna get to that no affect at all though no affect just dead monotone can't even come up with an emotion there are several things that i noticed here so one he swallows hard several times big gulping swallows huge gulps noticeably he's pursing his lips and gritting his teeth which he does during the video with nate as well whenever nate will point something out he grits his teeth that seems to be one of his tells when he mentions cc or bella he closes his eyes every single time and what dr g when i watched him said about that particular thing because i was wondering what that meant he said that this could be that what happened despite because he particularly does it when he says bella yeah and he said this could be that he said i feel like something particularly heinous happened there that he's trying to block out of his head or just doesn't want to watch again or knows it was particularly bad and when we get into the details i'm not going to go into like super details because to be honest my psyche can't handle it but i know them now and i'll work through he is correct that there was extra stuff with bella that i assume i mean he's not a real person so i don't i don't know what if that's just to me that blink that slow close of his eyes is more what i analyze it as is like that's your child so biologically there has to be something that zings a little with your child maybe i'm not a psychopath so i don't know if they have that but like i imagine there has to be something that zings a little with your child maybe i'm not a some kind of primitive biological evolutionary connection to your child that like something that awful your body would just kind of like without even an emotion attached to it just like yeah save yourself that it's a it's a body response yeah i think it's not a heart or soul response i think it's a bodily physiological response that like comes from fucking when we were sludged just like involuntary that's like your brain is like oh shit my job is to protect you from that so i'm close your eyes you know what i mean like i think it's that clinical it's just like how your body keeps breathing even like yeah i don't think it's that yeah he has a feeling about it yeah like i don't think he cares i don't think that it hurts him i think he just has a primitive like yeah that was really bad you know like and so he closes his eyes because he does it every time it's very noticeable and very consistent uh he's swaying he's hugging himself which could and and when i watched the dr g video he also said this that's like a self-soothing thing and also like a nervous thing so even if he was actually missing he might have done the same thing yeah like i don't i would probably do that too i guess i don't know but then he smiles a lot a lot he cannot it's again it seems involuntary he can't fucking help it well and it starts when the interviewer said when he tells the interviewer that he hopes shenan and the kids are safe that's when he starts smiling because he knows they're not and there's something called duper's fascinating so so horrible but so fascinating so basically what duper's delight is and this has been connected to him a lot yeah is that like somebody who lies and you know manipulates will feel like a smugness and like some kind of delight like a happiness when they are deceiving someone or they think they are at the least and they're when they're getting away with it which he is right now yeah so that's that's genuine uh and it manifests as this little like smirk or like that he gets he gets it often in this interview it's not and i'm glad that like because when i was watching it i was like listen i will smile in weird situations because i get nervous and i'm socially awkward when your three children are missing this is just simply not one of the i will i will tell you sure don't judge people's responses to certain things i 100 judge this because there is i was saying this earlier my body wouldn't be able to form a smile no if my children were actually missing and my husband was missing i would be in such severe grief and turmoil that my body would forget how to smile i would never be able to have a smile again yeah i just wouldn't especially not hours after it happened when we don't know what's going on with him he also just like looks like he's acting insane obviously but he looks put together he does not look disheveled casual he doesn't look like he's been crying he's not crying yep when he says if they're safe now they're gonna come back he knows they aren't so he's not that's a way of him not lying he's saying if they're safe then they're gonna come back but they're not but they're not because he killed them so i don't have to lie here so this is comforting and he looks comfort he's like like very smug yeah like smirk like he almost got away with something there and he says it a couple of times and as the interview goes and he talks about the empty house and how he hates it he smiles more and more that empty house made him so happy yeah when the interviewer says he's going to ask some tough questions he purses his lips and according to dr g that's to literally hold things in or it's because he knows he's gotta keep his mouth shut it's a response that we have when we know we have to keep quiet about something so it's like literally physically keep it in and he also had one thing he misses about them is what he said this is nuts he was like yeah i just you know i miss and it's what he misses about them since they've been gone is telling them they can't have a treat if they don't eat finish their dinner that's that's the memory you chose of all the memories that you've created over the three and four years that they've been the one memory you could come up with was i miss telling them they can't have dessert and them snuggling on their own couch watching tv by themselves watching tv not even like being snuggled up with them on our couch watching tv together literally my first thought as like i'm like you don't miss cuddling them you don't miss holding them you don't miss their smell you don't miss the sound of their voice you don't miss put tucking them into bed you miss shoving them in front of a tv on their own designated area and not having anything to do with them and just putting on bubble guppies and telling them that they won't have a treat if they don't finish dinner like what that alone is like what diabolical you don't have any other i'm like yeah you he didn't google what people would miss about their children beforehand literally and that's not even a joke that's like real no i'm being dead like i genuinely think he would have he would have googled it if he thought he could get away with just like he googled what is it and he's like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know like when someone says they love you the more he talks about no one being in the house the night before the more he smiles like he's like i you know i didn't put on their rain machine and i didn't turn on their monitor and i didn't put them into bed the more he says the more he smiles and dr g pointed out that this is as he lists the responsibilities associated with having children he smiles more because he doesn't have them now so fucked and he full out laughs at one point it's not even like a huh it's a no he literally says i just want them back and the most genuine smile crosses right into his eyes for the first time he has life in his eyes he laughs he literally goes i just want them back if you pause it too he is grinning from ear to ear we were watching it with debbie and she was like i would think that this is somebody being interviewed about like their child making the honor like an accomplishment or like a sports win like being so proud of them what it is one of the most chilling moments of my life i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't and at one point he's blinking over time when they ask him if he was searching like if he was out searching which you would be doing he starts saying no the police told me i shouldn't because i wouldn't even know what i was looking for and he starts blinking and it's he wasn't doing this before because they didn't say that and he starts blinking like crazy and then the cameraman does the fucking lord's work and zooms right in on his face as he is blinking like a crazy person and he continues to blink as they ask about like neighbors go did they go to the door like what happened he keeps blinking while he's saying no and blah blah like he just starts losing it like he's losing it and the and he's trying to act like he's crying but there is absolutely no tears there's no moisture and he only tries that once he tries to pretend like as he's saying that i think it's during like the i didn't turn on the rain machine and blah blah he tries to act like make his voice sound like it's about to cry but then he starts smiling so he really i think he just abandons that and i remember seeing this interview on the news in 2018 standing in my living room and i looked right at john and i said he did it yeah and i remember john had just walked in the room he hadn't seen the interview and i was like this guy did it and he was like what is this and i told him what it was and he was like that's horrific like what do you mean you can't accuse that he killed his wife pregnant wife and his two babies like what and i was like he did it like i remember vividly i said it to you i was literally like this guy killed his wife and his two babies like what said it to you i was literally like this guy killed his entire family it was the most obvious interview you have ever seen right because i'm sure probably once you showed john the full thing he was like oh yeah oh showing it to him the other i showed it to him last night because i was like this is the interview i was talking about he was like oh fuck like he was just like what the fuck and yeah so that interview happened the very next day and i'm so glad he did that interview and he had actually said to sandy shenan's mom there's an interview with him and he was like oh my god where she says she had actually advised him not to do any interviews because she said you're the last person who saw them i just don't think you should give any interviews right now i think you should be talking to investigators and that's it which wild that like like that shows who she is even she was trying to like help him out there yeah because then um he obviously didn't listen and she said about that particular interview she said i thank god he didn't listen to me every single day every single she said i thank god make me believe in god yeah because she was like that that was perfect like thank you for doing that yep and so that's how his that's how her mom was handling it and then his mom in the interview that came out later with her said that at this point his mom believed that shan shanan had just taken uh taken the girls and left she didn't think that they were actually missing um we are going to get into what happens next which happens pretty quick thanks to everybody being so fast and everybody pressing on him everyone not giving him a second to formulate a coherent story or cover story it's honestly when you see because his co-workers started to uh turning and basically being like people around him were being like oh i think he was having an affair by the way and like hey you should know this and hey you should know that meanwhile her people like her crew were all like rallying to find her rallying to get everything done like the difference in the that he had versus the people she did because it shows you who they were he didn't have a lot of friends yeah he didn't she did he didn't and the people that were around him a lot of them were like uh no thank you yeah so what we are going to do is part two we'll be going right into when he is taken in and has to take a polygraph and that is when everything unravels and when the real story comes out and we will talk about that and then we will get into the paranormal aspects some of the weird aspects of the end of this case yeah um so stay tuned for that all right brothers oh let me get a fun fact a really fun fact i have to get the funnest fact because this is destroying my psyche nutmeg is technically a hallucinogen i didn't know that i didn't know that either this is from cosmopolitan it says the spice contains mistristan a natural compound that has mind-altering effects if ingested in large doses damn so it's a good thing that when we were all doing the cinnamon challenge we didn't do the nutmeg challenge holy i didn't do it willingly you didn't do it willingly no my friend what does that mean i didn't know that you couldn't swallow cinnamon why would i know that yeah i was like 14 i was gonna say you were young i was young so i tried and i choked and almost died and yeah that can literally kill you yeah it almost killed me don't do those stupid fucking challenges everybody because most of them can kill you everyone's just lucky that they didn't die exactly people did die i think with that one of the cinnamon challenge yeah i think that actually like hurt people okay that's not a fun fact but the fact that nutmeg is a hallucinogen that's a fun fact i think that's a fun fact that's a fun fact or can be a hallucinogen i'll take that one as the fun i put nutmeg in a lot of stuff especially in the fall oh in the fall i better be careful i'm tripping in here maybe that's why we're all tripping yeah that's why we love the fall so much fuck everyone's like yeah i like that period all right hell yeah well we love you guys we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird you better not have to have me tell you not to keep it as weird as chris motherfucking stupid-ass cars while you're at it i'm telling you don't keep it that weird go look at the discovery documents they're fascinating and horrifying keep it that weird yeah bye dolls Terima kasih telah menonton Terima kasih telah menonton Terima kasih telah menonton