The Walter Cup is FOUND, NHL Expansion, Zdeno Chara, and More ft. Erin Ambrose & Greg Wyshynski

[MUSIC] >> Hey Greg Ryszinsky, welcome to another edition of The Sheet. For this Tuesday, August 25, I'm in Fendlin Falls. I'm guessing you've never been here. >> No, I couldn't pick it out on a map, just to set the scene for those watching on YouTube. >> No. >> I'm in the basement. I'm in the command center in the Hubble. >> I'm in a place where I usually do the show. >> Yeah, behind them, there seems to be some gardening happening. >> They're setting up for pictures. >> Yeah, so the water behind us, the pier is behind us, the backyard. At Aaron Ambrose's cottage, firmly the Montreal Victoir. Now at PWHL Las Vegas, this is her Walter Cup Day. So we're going to get into Walter Cup stories, and there are many now, with Aaron coming up here towards the bottom of the hour. We wanted to have Aaron on a little bit later on, because people are starting to arrive now and want to make sure that she's well refreshed by the time she joins the program a little bit later on. Is this her Walter Cup? She's already had an event in Kezwick. I know that Sean Walker had his Kezwick event, but Ambrose had her Kezwick event earlier. >> I mean, two champions from Kezwick, who would it be? >> I know, right? >> You got to make sure all the adurbs are on point. You got to make sure that everybody knows the protocols. >> That's right. >> Are there different protocols for a Walter Cup celebration? And there is for a Stanley Cup celebration. >> I've only been to one. I went to, in 2010, I went to Nick Boyntons. Nick Boyntons Stanley Cup when he played with the Choggle Black Ocs. And we had just had our first kid, he was like two weeks old, and I get there, and first thing Nick does is, well, put him in the cups, we've got always picked that. I think I jinxed it for my oldest son, like put him in the cup, but he's two weeks old, like, I'm sorry, son, kind of kind of erected for you. But that was the only Stanley Cup celebration that I was ever at. I've never been to a Walter Cup celebration, but now I am, and over there, and Walter's going to be joining us here in about a half an hour, so the Walter Cup is staring at me right now. >> I just want to point out that I've not read the statutes myself, but I do believe that placing your one-year-old son inside the Stanley Cup, if you're a Canadian, two-week-old son inside the Stanley Cup, if you're a Canadian, those constitute child abuse. I believe-- >> He had no say in this. You took it all away from him. >> We were waiting for children's aid to show up on the way out of Boyntons, and they did it at his parents on a sod farm, at the Boyntons sod farm. So we had to have to surrender our first child. >> You know, we can never win the cup now, don't you, sir? >> Oh, there's the winner. >> You do this to your son. So plenty of Walter Cup stuff coming up when Aaron drops by, and I want to thank him for hosting us here. At this lovely cottage at Fendlin Falls. Now, at the beginning of the summer, the star of the NHL was Leo Carlson. >> You could say with Daniel Brier, you could argue it was Pat for Beak, and all that drama, etc. But the star of the show was Leo Carlson. But the star of the show right now is Bill Daley, Deputy Commissioner of the NHL, who is just pumping out headline after headline after headline, and the latest is the NHL, pretty much coming out and saying, "Yeah, we're going to Texas again, and if you think it's going to be one, it's probably going to be two." What, I mean, listen, Houston or Austin, take your pick. I think they go for the biggest TV market myself, but nonetheless. >> I think so, too. >> Atlanta, and then eventually a return to Arizona. But what do you hear? What do you know? What's the latest coming under your nose at ESPN and ESPN.com? >> Our friend, Chris Johnson, had a good chat with Bill Daley at the Player of Media Tours, the European League in Munich, where he dropped all this information about the fact that we could expect the 33rd franchise in the NHL to start playing in 2029-30, which means either Houston or Austin because that Texas bid is so far beyond the ones in Atlanta, and what might, you know, anything coming out of Arizona. >> Need a rank. >> The Houston versus Austin thing remains interesting. I mean, obviously a lot has to do with buildings, a lot has to do with owners, and a lot has to do with where the NHL ultimately thinks a team could thrive better. Austin is, as Bill Daley has noted, like Vegas. They would be first to market in what is a very lucrative market, and one that is booming from a tech perspective, and also has a little bit of character to it. I mean, let's face it. I mean, being the fifth or sixth team in Houston is interesting, but the NHL team will not have the legacy of the other Houston-based teams. >> Right. >> Being the first team in Austin is important, but also Austin is, what America's right? Austin is weird. Austin is South by Southwest. Austin has its hostility. >> So cool. >> Austin is super bad. >> And as I've told you this before, Austin has always been, and I'm not sure if the last few years, but it used to be the sneaky getaway spot for NHL players. They could sneak away to Austin. Nobody would know who they are. They can go and not have to worry about being player X from Team Y, and go and get the freak on and have a good time. And if you put NHL team there, though, that's over. >> But it's cool. >> Yeah, we should say there is an MLS team in Austin. It's not like they'd be the only major professional sports team there. If the NHL went there, but obviously no NBA, no NFL, yada, yada, yada. Two things from what Daly is talking about that I find interesting besides one, the timeline. They have no problem staggering these expansion teams. They've done this throughout Betman's 10-Yearest Commissioner, whether it was the staggered expansion that gave us Nashville and Columbus and Minnesota and all those teams. Or the Vegas and then Seattle figures later, thanks to the situation that we just had. So they have no problem going to Texas first, and then waiting a few years to go to Atlanta or Arizona or wherever. The other thing was Daly was asked about the quality of play vis-a-vis expansion by at least two teams. And he said, quote, "I think we have enough boots on the ground and experience to know kind of where hockey skill is today and the players who can play and have proved they can play in the NHL. The source and supply of players is not a concern. The dilution of talent as an argument against expansion, I don't think holds any water today. Does it support a four team expansion that would be a question for me? Certainly a two team expansion doesn't raise any concerns." I think the thing that we all, that for whatever reason the NHL never wants to admit, but you and I have talked about many times before, America is that dilution of talent leads to better hockey. Dilution of talent leads to more scoring. And it's exactly what we saw in the wake of Vegas and Seattle entering the league. This offensive boom is happening for a lot of reasons, but one of them is because the talent got diluted by two teams. Okay, so let me frame this historically. I'm not disagreeing. Now we can argue about the quality of play and how much struggle you think should be in each game and what's a good hockey score. But there is no denying that between the years 1967 and 1975, maybe 76, 77. The NHL was at its weakest. And this has always been my argument against players like Bobby Orr. I know I sound like a bad Canadian when I say things like, you know, Bobby Orr might not have been the best offensive in all time. Discuss is probably an ecclesiastrum, but that's for another show. Because in 1967, the league doubled. Okay, you went from six to 12 teams. 1970, you welcomed two more teams, the Buffalo Sabers and the Vancouver Knucks. And then it kept on rolling. '72, there's more, '74, there's more. Then there's a whole other league, the WHO that peeled players away. Some teams bit against contracts. They ended up winning Stanley Cups. Some teams didn't. Isaac, Toronto Maple Leafs fan. They didn't and squandered any opportunity to win a Stanley Cup. But nonetheless, a lot of players went. Because the paychecks were greater. Thank you very much. And what did it do? It diluted the talent in the NHL. But I've always maintained, and this is where I'm a hypocrite here, but the '70s was the best decade of hockey the NHL has ever seen. Because it went through that transition phase. And it was a combination of two things. One, more scoring, because the quality of play was down. And two, more violence. Because there are a lot of people who did not belong in the NHL. They may have belonged in prison, but they did not belong in the NHL. And they found themselves in the National Hockey League. So I think that's the one thing that I don't think the NHL wants to do. I don't think they want to go through something like they did from '67 to '75 with massive expansion quickly. Now, they were bidding against rival leagues. They wanted to own all of it. So I understand the motivation behind that. That is not this. But I really do think, like you start to get to 33 teams, 34 teams. I really do wonder, like, how much can this league withstand without seeing a drop in the quality? And again, I don't know the answer to it. I don't think any of us do. First of all, again, my premise is that a drop in quality of play is only a good thing. Because it leads to mistakes. It leads to offense. It leads to more scoring. Yeah. The neanderthalic American brain comprehends scoring. We want goals. We want the red. going on more often than it doesn't. And so in the last few years we've seen a boom in the popularity of hockey for a number of reasons that one of them is because the puck is going in the net more. Now for two things. First of all, whenever you bring up your love of the 1970s hockey, it reminds me of what we say about Saturday Night Live, which is that the cast you grew up with is what you consider to be the best cast. I've always felt that about you in the 1970s. 1970s mean a lot to you. No, no, no, hang on. One of them is that because it was a formative time for you as a hockey fan. And that's why you think the 70s is the best hockey. No, hang on a second here. I was born in 69. So 80s was the sweet spot getting into my teen years. I should really say the 80s. But as I look back on it, and I sure I was part of watching 70s hockey as a preteen, I still think it was the most exciting. But if anything, buy your definition like, you know, brand awareness happens at 12 years old. That's when you attach yourself to brands, whether they be what you consume or what you watch. That would have been the 80s. There you go. What have been the hence your love for Mike Bossy. But hang on a second, but I will say 87 was 87 was the best year in the history of hockey. That is indisputable. But best decade 70. That's indisputable. The second thing is, though, I understand your counterarguments such as it is, but you have to admit, sir, that the pipelines of talent for the National Hockey League are not only more plentiful, but also spewing forth more players than they ever did in the 1970s. Obviously, there are parts of the world that no layers weren't allowed to play in the NHL in the 1970s. And now they play all over the NHL. Here is where the difference lies. The talent pool in the NHL/WHA in the 70s was still coming primarily. And all the WJ had their European invasion that led into the oilers and the Winnipeg Jets in the 80s, but that's again for another conversation was primarily still coming from one country and that's Canada. Right. Now the talent coming from a number of countries and the main one United States of America. Yeah, we talked about that. That is the goal-sending boom in the United States. That is where all these players are going to come from, the growth of hockey in the United States. That's where that is. That's mainly where it's coming from. So, Daily on the one hand is right that I think the lead can absorb the hit from a couple more expansions drafts because the talent level is that high. But I also think Daily isn't saying the quiet part loud, which is the more delusion of talent you have, the more sloppy play gets, the more ineffective defensive systems become, and the more scoring that we see and more scoring is more better for the NHL. Now the other thing I wanted to mention about with expansion America is that we had some movement on the Atlanta front. Okay, what's happening there? What's happening in Georgia? The Alphoretta City Council whose meetings I thankfully don't have to watch on streaming yet, like I did with Lundale. Oh, I love those. I love those. I voted this week to approve a transformation of the North Point Mall into a sports adjacent mixed-use entertainment district. That includes a 20,000 seat NHL-ready arena. Okay, so this is one of the two bids. Alphoretta is one. Yeah. Force of County is the other. And this approval, which has been a couple of months in the making, this approval is important because it is contingent on the NHL awarding a franchise to the North Point site. The development is expected to be completed in phases with various components opening on a rolling basis. So in other words, they'll get the arena done first if the NHL says we're getting a team and then everything else will get filled in around that. But again, we don't know if they're getting a team. There's two bids, there's two different sites bidding for a team trying to get a team trying to calm the NHL's fears. But I came across this comment on the hockey reddit and again, take it with a grain of salt. It's a comment around reddit, but I hadn't heard this and I'm going to assume this is true and if it's not then somebody from the Atlanta area, please chime in and tell us that this is bullshit. And so they're saying, they're saying this North Point mall, Alphoretta bid, has an advantage over Force of County because of a planned transit expansion, buses not trains, which is something that is an ongoing challenge for the Braves and Cobb County. Force of will never pay for public transportation and I feel like the league will prefer a site that is slightly more connected to the city of Atlanta. Again, it's bus is not a train, so I don't know how much of a difference that makes for the NHL, but it does sound like at least in theory, there will be an expansion of transit to this site that the other site may not necessarily get. NHL may not care, just like get your car and go. Although I did evoke the name of Glendale before American, if you remember that with the single lane, I know I drove it. I know, yeah, the single lane, go to Glendale, did not work out all that well at the NHL. Single lane, seven o'clock, get there on a Tuesday, puck drops at seven. Yeah, I know, I remember, I remember. Although I will say one thing, Glendale was a really underrated rank. I thought it was a great rank. I thought as far as like in NHL, rank goes, Glendale was awesome. The problem was getting there. Right? That was like the classic, you know, feel the dreams mistakes, build it and they will come. Guess what, nope. So is there a chance then? Because I've always wondered about this with Atlanta. Could it be a joint bid? It may have to end up being that if, first of all, we don't know what the financial situation is behind the backers of these bids, whether or not. I mean, you assume that they are going to pony up for the expansion fee. Yeah. But, you know, who knows, they could just be using the NHL as a carrot to get all these approvals and then they'll figure out the details after that. But, you know, when Seattle had several bids all going for a team at the same time, there was talk of their being joint bids, but it ended up not being a joint bid. It ended up being one group that won out and that eventually bought the crack into Seattle. So I tend to believe that the strongest shall survive in this bidding process. But I've not, I've done more due diligence on the sites and the processes within the city and getting approvals than I have figuring out who's trying to buy these teams in Atlanta. We've mentioned Glendale a couple times. I do want to point out that our good friend Craig Morgan on a Z hockey insider did have a piece on August 16th catching up with Bill Daley and asking about Arizona's bid to bring the NHL back to Arizona. They're gone. Daley said, I don't think there's any news necessarily. You're aware and we're aware most importantly that there's an interest amongst a number of people in Arizona to bring an NHL franchise back to the Phoenix area. I think we've been open and honest about the fact that given the right circumstances, we continue to think Arizona would be a good market for the NHL. I bring this up not only to point people to Craig's work as he continues to do great work on the hockey beat despite their not being in an NHL team in Arizona anymore. But I bring this up because Bill Daley has certainly mentioned Arizona. I think they're going, they're going, I think we all assume they're going back. Right. It's too big of a market and not only is it too big of a market, but they're graduating elite players into the NHL from there. Like you're seeing the root to the fruit. And the sun devils are thriving in Arizona state and you know, like, you know, there's hockey there. Yeah. And they put roots down and just because there's nothing flowering right now, it doesn't mean the roots aren't still on the ground. Now what I was going to say, Eric, is that he does mention Arizona within the context of Houston within the context of Atlanta as potential NHL sites. Obviously, the Texas stuff is is front burner because of the Board of Governors meeting that we just had a couple of months ago. But you know, it's not as if the NHL has been shy about they wanted to go back to Arizona and it's just a matter of whether or not someone's going to be able to do the things that need to be done to get a team there, which is as we've seen over the last what? Oh, I don't know. 20 years. So again, like I think I've been consistent with this like the last 20 years. You're the NHL. You're executing national sales. The first conversation is which markets do you have? Right? Like that is the first one. And then you start checking off the boxes and it's oh, you don't have Phoenix. Oh, okay. Oh, you don't have Houston. Oh, okay. Oh, you don't have Atlanta. Okay. So whether it's national sales or it's a it's a TV package, all these all these markets work. I know it sounds like to some cynical fans will say it's never worked in Atlanta. They've had kicks at it a couple of times. Let's stop trying to to make this one this one work or they've already had the go around in Phoenix. Like there's no point in going down this road again. And I'm telling you, like from a national sales point of view and from a television deal point of view, these things are massive. They really, really are. So you try to find a way that these that these can work and you don't quit on them. I don't and I think initially the NHL didn't want to quit on a on a on a on a team that built a rank for them. I think I think Batman specifically has always been really sensitive about that. You build a rank. We'll fight for you. Quebec. I'm going to get to you in a second. Hold on. But And I think that's one of the reasons why they kept things alive in phoenix. Now the other thing, I remember when you and I met, and I was doing a hockey night in Canada radio when you were doing puck daddy, the first thing you wrote about me was an interview I did with Batman. I remember this, because remember Ellie is like, "Hey, we should just keep writing about you." I'm like, "Oh, great. What did I do?" Or what did I say? And I liked that. It was a very complimentary note that you had in your headlines piece about the interview with Batman. And the only thing that I can recall from that one that I thought that I really took away from, that I still remember to this day was, "How do you know when a market's done?" And his answer was blunt and quick. And he said, "When nobody wants to own it." And as long as somebody wants to own it in that market, we will keep fighting for it. That is where, and Bill daily, in Dave Alters piece at the hockey news, in his conversation with Bill daily, that's what he brings up with Quebec. Quebec has the fans, Quebec has the building, the videotron center is beautiful, right beside the O'Call, I say. But he said, "At this time," and I know previously Quebec horror was part of a bid right now, they have nobody that wants to own it. They have nobody that wants to put together a bid. What I find really interesting about the expansion talk for the NHL, because you're right about the markets that they love, but they don't really miss a lot when it comes to expansion. There are some situations that I think are much more about the operation of the teams and they are about the market, Columbus being one of them, which I think is a boom market if they could never get their ship together. Please win. Please win. And then Seattle, we talked about Adnauseum on this podcast about the idea that they just don't know what they're supposed to be and they haven't figured it out and they've been screwing up since the expansion draft wasn't what it was for Vegas. But the two misses that they had, one was obviously through relocation, which was Phoenix, and that situation just deteriorated for a number of different reasons. But Atlanta was a mess. Atlanta was a mess. I don't think that even if the thrashers were good, it would have necessarily worked there. So when I was trying to say America's, I, when I hear daily end-betman to a lesser extent, talk about Arizona and Atlanta. Is it, how much, what percentage of that desire to go back to these places is we're going to make it work this time. We don't make mistakes. We never miss. How much of it is ego? I don't. I don't think it's ego. I think it's business. I really do, I just think it's neat, the NHL wants to be in the big markets, thank you very much. Right. I really, I really do. Again, I'll come back later. But if those markets are not gestational sales and TV contracts, but if those markets have rejected hockey and you're going back, now in Atlanta, they literally tell you it's going to be different this time because it's not in the city. It's in the suburbs. Right. In Arizona's case, I think they just believe that it's an ownership issue. Right. But in both cases, it didn't work the first time. Well, in Atlanta, the second time. Very true. Correct. 100%. I think they do have, like, for the thrashers, you had an ownership group that didn't want hockey. They just wanted the basketball team. Right. Like, that's it. And they had nobody else that wanted to buy it. And you remember how that went down to like the last minute where the keys were essentially thrown on the table over. There's seven different owners. And they're all like, you want this? Nope. You want this? Nope. You want this? I don't care about the hockey, thank you very much. And it was and it was keys on the table time, going back to my previous point. How do you know when an organization is down in the city, nobody wants to own it. They did not want it. It was hot potato for ownership in Arizona. But again, I don't think that this is an ego thing. And I don't think because I don't think that that drives the NHL. I think it is just business. And it's putting as much money in owner's pockets as possible. I think franchise value is job number one. And I think expansion is going to be lucrative for the NHL in these two markets. And I think that's what drives them. And it's going to help again. It'll help national sales and it'll help TV contracts because you have the big markets. And I think they probably feel again that there is a momentum with hockey right now in the United States. Say whatever you want about what happened afterwards with the men's gold medal. There is a momentum there and these players are starting to have more of a national profile that ever before because there are more Americans now that are at the top of their game. And a couple of them, you think of master Matthews and Matthew Nye specifically that come from Arizona. That's how you get it. I still think Arizona is like 22% ego. We know how long it did fight for it. I know. And I think that was because and they went to the, you know, it was a court battle and the bankruptcy thing and they kept the team in life support. You and I have come in that man forever, right? Oh yeah. He doesn't, he's, he does not. Even when he loses, he'll never admit loss, he'll never admit defeat. And I guarantee you that there is a, a scotch of ego involved in wanting to go back to Arizona and proving that it can work there. It is not listen primary motivator, but it's, it's got to be part of it. It's not the prime way. It's got to be part of it for him. I, I don't think it's no, no, it's, it's nowhere close to number one. Because again, like I'm always reminded, what is his number one job? Really? He can argue he only has one job and that's franchise value. Everything else is in service of the value of the NHL franchises that it, that is the job. I think that it is, I think that he likes the challenge because the other thing that we've learned about Batman going back to 1993 when he started is he likes a fight. I think he likes the challenge of, oh you guys don't want to give, I don't want to give up on Arizona. You guys want to give up on Arizona? Because when we do national sales, everybody asks about Phoenix. You want to fight? Because I want to fight. I think that, I think that that is part of it. But I think it's business first and I'm going to show you second. I don't think he exists just to throw it in people's face and I told you this would work. Having said that, man did a victory lap about Vegas as well he should. And I was one of the people that said it ain't going to work, it ain't going to work, it ain't going to work, it ain't going to work. And they were first in. And it worked. It worked a lot for a huge, for a long time, we've considered Quebec City to be the last resort back door relocation spot for a team. Obviously we've had one relocation, I mean technically, I don't know how we're supposed to frame it. I get confused every time I talk about Salt Lake City because of the, it's not the coyotes but it is the coyotes players but it's not the franchise but it could be the, who the fuck cares. Is Quebec City still, do you think the back pocket back door, if we need you, we're going to break glass on you desperation, relocation move for the NHL? I don't think that the NHL wants to put another team in Canada and I don't think it has anything, it's funny too because part of the motivation is, you know, are you making any new hockey fans? You're making money but are you making new fans? Hey. Hey pup. Honestly, I think a lot of it is, I don't think that the NHL wants any more markets in Canada where the dollar can be volatile. Okay, I really, I honestly think it is, it is, it is that, it is that simple. Do you not agree? Like that is like the main, the main motivator here. Yeah, it could be, but I mean, but I mean, you know, like when, when they sent the Atlanta franchise to Winnipeg, it was because they knew that there were going to be hockey fans in Winnipeg. They would pay money to watch the games. And there was a building there. And there was a ship group and a very, very wealthy owner and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Right. Yeah. Okay. I want to get the chara here with you, speaking of Vickley's laps. Okay. Anything more on this expansion and bros is warming up and warming up and oh, hang on. Oh, there she goes. She warming up in the bullpen. Enough, you heard that tin opening. I heard, I heard a little, a little clickety click. I think she's, she's getting the, she's getting the pipes used. That's good for, for, for, so wait, it was before we talk about chara. Yeah. So the, hit, hit me to the Walter Cup thing like this is the, was it lost? Okay, so what I understand, it was supposed to arrive at Dara Griggs place in Lethbridge on Friday. It did not, the cup did not arrive. And the league worked with, I believe it was FedEx, but I'm not 100% sure, um, to try to locate it. And it went through the week it was supposed to go to Abbey Rocks, uh, event in Susaint Marie Michigan for Saturday, Sunday, she had the Minnesota one in set. First of all, good on Minnesota too. I don't know that the Florida Panthers would, I get the Stanley Cup was a lot of the Florida Panthers would loan the Carolina Hurricanes or the Cup for individual parties. So good on, good on Minnesota for, for doing a solid here. And then yesterday, yesterday, as I'm told, it, uh, it showed up at, uh, at Dara's place. All right. That's good. I was deeply concerned that the cup had somehow been acquired by, uh, Josh Kushner and Bob Eiger as part of the, uh, purchase of Lakers, and Mark Walters sell off was, was not part, not part of, uh, of any deal there. Mark Walters, outside of our Walters mansion, there's a, there's a, there's a Walter cup, and it's got a $25 price tag on it or something. I was looking. - I'll be worried about that. - Out on the front lawn for the weekend. No, nothing like that. It's, I will say this. Like, I know it was really awkward for the PWH all over the weekend. Honestly, like, okay, where's our trophy? But, much like the Stanley Cup, I mean, everybody has a story about it. Ask any hockey player what they've either participated in. Remember when you and I talked about to Phil Bork, and you talked about taking the cup apart to see what it looked like inside, maybe after it was maybe. Like, after a few drinks, like, with a couple of buddies at three o'clock in the morning, I'm gonna take the Stanley Cup. Everybody has stories now. Like, I do believe, especially for hockey, cups need stories. Oh, Otto, I'll left it at the side of the road. They forgot about it. I had to go back and get it the next day. Like, cups need stories, man. And now, the Walter Cup has his first one. - The Phil Bork thing reminds me. I always wanted to write a national treasure like movie about somebody finding a map inside of a Stanley Cup. - Well, it leads to, I don't know. - I think Matt Johnson of the Irvano, the band, the show, get on that right now. - Oh, a national treasure, Canadian version. You find a map inside the Stanley Cup. - I'm pretty sure that inside of the cup, like, I don't think that Phil Bork was the first to do it. I seem to have knocking around my head, the idea that inside the cup, someone had scratched their name on the side of the cup inside as well. - That's great. How many pops into the night to have to be to be like, "Well, I know my name's engraved on the cup, "but what if I engrave my name on the other side of the cup?" - I don't ever get rid of it. - That's where you're supposed to put the kids. You don't put them on the frots. I'm gonna put the kids on, put them on the inside. Okay, really quick, before we get there. - What if you opened up the Stanley Cup and out popped Nathan Gerby? Wouldn't that be amazing? Nathan Gerby's title is very cool. - It pops out. - Very, very cool reference by you. Roy Waters might be another one for the, even older in the set. Who's that name was actually Shrimp? Okay, what did you make of Chara specifically? And who did you think of when you saw the skates at center ice? - He leaves the skates at center ice after his final game. Obviously, a something that warms the heart of these two professional wrestling fans because at the end of your last match, you're supposed to take off the boots and leave them in the middle of the ring. But the first thought that I had, Merrick, was of course, Brock Lesnar, who left his boots in the middle of the ring. - I came back as WrestleMania. - And then I kind of like immediately came back and it was like, I'm still retired, but I'm still going to wrestle you, which is not the way it works. - I just love, and yes, thanks to everybody who like right away, like the bat signal, everybody sent this to me, ASAP. - Look at that. - That's so cool. - Honestly, it's one of the coolest things, and it comes off just like I thought it would to with like the closing shot. There he goes, in his socks, the kids. That's the shot. - Wow. - Look at that shot. - If you're watching what you do, look how beautiful that is as he leaves with his kids, like that looks fan. Now, his background, his family background, his father competed in the Olympics in 1976 in Krakow Roman wrestling for Czechoslovakia. So, as we know, with wrestlers, they will do that, leave the shoes on the mat, wait-lifters as well. By the way, in '76, when you look at the amount of athletes with NHL connections, just as a quick aside, Alexov Vachkin's mom played basketball for the Soviet Union in '76 in Montreal. Vladimir Buray was a swimmer, as well, of course, father of legendary Pavel Buray and Valerie Buray, and then Hugh Frazier was a sprinter for Canada whose son Mark Frazier played in the NHL. So, '76 has some pretty cool NHL talent. - That's always char as dad. - Does he get a son? - No, I don't think he was like, I don't think he was like, I don't think he was. - Did you imagine trying to wrestle somebody who's like six, eight in Krakow Roman? - As Brian McKay. - That's like wrestling a fucking sea monster. - He didn't metal. (laughing) He didn't metal, but wrestling a sea monster. True, but you know what? - I just hope, again, I've said it before. I loved seeing it, it's great. I don't know that it ever becomes a thing in hockey, in pro hockey, and either on the men's or women's side, in the NHL or the PWHL, but damn it, it look cool. Like we're always looking for new ways to do different things. Like, you know, the stick salute is sort of standard now. In the NHL, the Rangers brought that into the NHL mainly with the Swedes and the Team Enrico Lunkwist, and that became a thing, and now everybody does it. I just love the visual. Like after Trevor Lindon's last game, he gets a handshake from the Calgary Flames, Kate's the center leaves the skate. It's like, "Oh, God, it wouldn't be so fun." - Yeah, ask that. - Could you now have to commit to it? You've got to commit to it. That's the issue. We've had two guys, basically, in the last several years that committed to, this is the end for me. One of them was Flurry, and I'm still not convinced of it, by the way. - Any other worries? - Is that going to play? - Yeah, I know. Any other one was Copantar. And then everyone else just kind of played Grabass with whether or not they were going to retire or come back for another season. - So you need someone who actually is going to be just-- - Well, the native in their retirement. - The thing about a Vetchkin, too, is his last game in the NHL won't be his last pro game, 'cause he'll play games for a dynamo. So that would, if he's going to do it, and he would be like the right kind of guy to do it, like it's great that it's charred. Statue in the game, Greco-Roman wrestling background, it all adds up and it makes sense. That's great. I just hope that that's a door open now. - I really do, 'cause it looks so cool. - It's a great visual. - Really is. Anything more for you, let you go. - Yeah, real quick. - You went to a wrestling show this week, or last week-- - I did. - Weekend, right? - I did, yeah, or the last show. - Last Thursday, how show in London? Yeah, it was great, WWE House show. - You told me your last wrestling show you went to was roughly one, two thousand, five years ago? - I think it was 2001. I just have no time with all the hockey. - Well, your thoughts on the differences in aesthetics between now and then? - So again, it was a house show, and I think the last one that I went to in 2001 would have been a pay-per-view. But nonetheless, I mean, it's quick matches and a lot of my work. I mean, the WWE style is interesting because they train their audience to pop at certain places, and it's really repetitive. Like, we saw this going back to like, when Vince, when Vince Jr. took over the company, it became about repetition, and same moves, and easy to understand, and train your audience to pop at certain times, and so that tradition continues. - It is, well, first of all, it's a lot of fun, and the wrestlers are more, again, this is just a house show, more interactive with the crowd than I can recall. There was more like, we're closer to you than we're ever before. - Right. - That's what it seemed like to me. Dan Housen was over a massive, I love Gunther, and he was in the main, he did a three-way with Rhodes and punk, I love Gunther, he's fantastic. But it was, I was actually, and I'm always surprised by this too, that more guys don't invest more time in learning how to talk properly, and how to cut, proud to cut promos, 'cause they're like, with the rise of wrestling always, as much as, whether it's Hogan, Iraq, or so-and-called, punk now, what's the common denominator? In Earth America, you can talk them into the building. You can talk them into the building. - I've always been of the mind that you either have that, or you don't, but I think the exception of the rule is Roman Reigns, who I think has been somebody who's gotten better on the mic throughout his career. So there are exceptions to the rule, but I just think it's like, maybe you're great in the ring, and then you can't do it on the stick. I think you're either born with it, or you're not, when it comes to being gauged on the mic. - I don't know about that one so much. - Just like podcasters, Merrick. - Oh yeah, you're born to do it. No, but you know what we used to say about goal scorers, in hockey, oh, you're born to do it, you can't teach touch. Yeah, what a little shit. And I believed it too. We all believed it. Oh yeah, I'm like, boss, you're just a natural, you're just born to do it, no, you're not. You can learn, you can be taught these things. Anyhow, it was awesome. And I'm going to total on top on Thursday. - Oh, that's right, you're going to TNA wrestling as well, so you're back on the circuit. We gotta get to A.W. when they come up there to Canada, so you can see a mega bouncing around. - No, like awesome. - I'd love to. - There you go. Thank you for that. Wrestling is a big part of your career in your life. - Massive, and you know what? Now I get you back in the building, isn't it? - Now I can just enjoy it. Like whenever I talk to Shane and Goldman, a lot of our conversations turn to tennis, 'cause I love hearing her talk about tennis, 'cause she's like this incredible authority. And I always say to her like, you know, if you wanted to, you could be a double threat, whether a hockey and tennis, that would be us. She's like, I just want something that I can enjoy, and doesn't have to be my job. I'm like, oh, that sound, maybe that wrestling is just going to be that thing for me. Whenever I retire, I'm just going to chase wrestling matches. It's going to be it. - Do you know how stupid this is going to sound, but that's the New York Jets for me. Like it's miserable. - It's miserable as they make me. - No, you know what? - Football is not my job, football. There are plenty of people at the place where I work that talk about football. It will never be the thing they look to me to do. So I know that I could watch the NFL without ever having to worry about anyone at my job being like, Greg, go on first take and talk about the Jets. It's never going to happen. - I have a theory. - I have a theory about you. Have you tried this about my theory with you in the Jets? - What's that? - You in the New York Jets. I'm convinced you are a fan of the New York Jets for one reason. Because you are testing how high you can get your blood pressure every year. I know secretly you keep these stats and you're not going to reveal them, but you keep coming back every single season. - No. That's why we're fans of New York Jets but it's as simple as what everyone in Toronto goes through every single year you're you're born into it and you can never leave because the minute you leave oh total California if they if they win yeah then you know what then you feel like a schmuck because you jumped off the bandwagon and you and you haven't felt the the levels of pain everyone else's feelings so you're gonna have to feel the pain you're gonna have to feel that dentist drill yeah put your head down yeah until one of these stupid teams wins and that's the jets for me here's this year is another year in which they'll be better than they should be just doing their draft position and then we're stuck with no quarterback for the next decade let me close let me close let me close this let me close this and get there and here's something that you need to know here's something that Zach needs to know about his Toronto Maple Leafs as well remember this the only free cheese is in the trap the only free cheese and and and and and leaves fans in New York yet fans we live for those moments we live for the cold the cold steel stepping on our next it's usually after the first or second week of the season we're gonna do that again the only free all right you enjoy your afternoon I got a date with Aaron and Walter enjoy it thanks it is Greg was shinsky from ESPN and ESPN dot com so here we are you want to do this now well is it time it is time are you all right well listen I mean you know me and you know him come on you've been on with both of us a number of different types we're thrilled to be here thanks so much for being so hospitable your entire family and all your friends here so far as people are filtering in now Aaron Ambrose with the Walter Cup right in between us here it's not going up that thing is heavy or then the Stanley Cup correct I think we should move it back so that I can't look at you wow so you have had a couple already that's right by the way veteran presence logger is a really nice such Aaron first brother and long nice it's it's awesome fresh off an appearance in kezwick hometown first of all thanks so much for the hospitality like the minute you the minute you won the you won the Walter Cup right away I think our first conversation is when you have your day we are doing a show so this will live in as we call the digital stone for the remainder of attorney so like I haven't done it personally but congrats like congrats like I know there's a lot of and you've talked to a lot of people and you probably had a lot of you know emotional moments with people as well but with time comes reflection and context and all these things and when you see this you know sitting in front of you here this is for those listening though the Walter Cup what runs through Aaron Ambrose's mind here in Fenland Falls at a lovely cottage by the way this is beautiful isn't the family for 60 years your mom was saying yeah it's nice I think like I've always talking about it with my sister yesterday thank you we went into town to the local ice cream store and I got my favorite loose tracks but in the ice or in the cup and yeah I got emotional doing it my sister was like why and I'm always emotional but for me I've always dreamed of bringing the Stanley Cup back here I've always thought about being able to bring the Stanley Cup here yeah it's not the Stanley Cup it's probably my mom's phone going off that's okay um it's not the Stanley Cup it's a Walter Cup and I think it hits even more because it's now we have our own cup and that's pretty special and this is all I've wanted to do I think since I was 10 years old this have a celebration at the cottage um aunts uncles friends family like it's media yeah great about media being here this guy god if only you guys knew how much he was paying me to be here it's a long check we stroked Ambrose up the rich check we stroked no it's just I feel like I I knew I got the day of when I was going to get the cup and it was then getting to that day and then obviously all the shenanigans around the cup so now to finally have the day like I think it doesn't quite feel real okay but I want to get to some of the emotional stuff here in a second too but like the Walter Cup was a star of social media was a star of mainstream media was a was a star of this weekend um what's what's you all saying there is a presence in absence and there was a presence in absence of the Walter Cup all weekend long uh do you want to walk us through from when you heard about it so what you were thinking like everything and I was saying to Greg before he came on too especially for hockey cups need a story yep you know like the the colonial cup went missing and then turned up like 24 or 25 years later in someone's basements yeah but like cups need stories in hockey and now this cup has a story um give us like walk us through going back to to Friday when you first found out about it was a Friday Thursday no it was your right Thursday yeah so I think I had like two different thoughts Thursday I was like oh I might be late enough that I'm okay like I wasn't the next one but then I also was like oh I could be like the first one that runs into trouble um and then just a lot of moving pieces I think just trying to figure out how to get a cup obviously like I think this would have happened no matter what people would have come and celebrate it and my the people I care about would have been here um but it was more so I wanted to be able to bring Walter back to Kezwick to the town of Georgina and a lot of phone calls had to be made to kind of figure out logistics and everything and um thank you to the Minnesota Frost for helping us out because that made things a lot easier for me um it'll probably be the one and the only time that I think that team but um no like it does mean a lot because it makes today even more special to add Walter here there's there's a there's an even you know they like I was saying like there's a story attached to all of it now and and we got a this is Abby I know Henry I know it's weird it's not Henry Henry's not here Henry's a Montreal yeah we kept him a Montreal Henry yeah my boy there's another great uh lab kicking around here Quinn yes Quinnie is in her in her kennel right no her crate right now gotcha she's having an app with Joe very very good very good um show head ice cream with you right that's my uncle Andy hello uncle Andy uncle Andy checking in hey Andy good recently middle of a show if you want to come and hop on here on FaceTime that's that's all good with all of us here um what uh did you did you have you sort of recontextualized because new thoughts come as time passes um the moment you want it because it doesn't really hit you not the time not at all um I did actually have a fan today in Keswick re like showed me some people lifting the trophy um and that's one game like I rewatched when we won the gold medal I've rewatched when we won a silver medal I haven't rewatched the Walter Cup game you haven't no why not will you I definitely will um probably because it usually happens in like the two week span and I think we were a little too busy in that two week span to sit down and watch something and actually pay attention nobody was for a call for two weeks on your team so that that probably like it I think the biggest thing for me is I sit there and I'm like I loved my three years a part of the Montreal Victoir and I won my last game with the Victoir and one of trophy I want a championship and um that's something that's pretty cool to say and yeah like it was a good game what have been nice to sweep but four of the nice cheese uh always crazy about oh by the way uh quite the uh quite the offseason here for Keswick yeah Stan Lee and Walter right yeah only municipality in all of Canada is that right hey at least this year I don't know if Mayor Quirk had it that fully right but I don't know if there's municipality wise I'm not sure what is it both Keswick I don't go back often my mom and my dad both live elsewhere now but I think just for our group I should say in the sense of Sean Walker myself Chris Tierney like the three of us played everywhere together um until I went to girls hockey and I think it helped having three of us but all three of our dads were on coaching staff for all of our teams moving up through York Simco Express 2 um shout out to Jim and Liz Tierney actually stopped by their house nice after Keswick and didn't answer the door so I took a photo on their doorstep and um I'm gonna send that to Chris but um like I wish I could have connected with Sean and it obviously would have been way too many moving parts especially with Walter's hiatus but um so do you call it yeah Walter's hiatus so I think for me just being able to being able to play with those two guys in particular um even like we I think we've talked about Sean's career yeah it's incredible that's a - That's a wild one. - Yep. - That's one of the. Again, how many times have you and I had the conversation of hockey will always give you a reason to quit? Yeah, hockey will give you every excuse to quit and but I don't think there's a and Shawn never did Ever and I don't think there's a better person for that to turn out the way that it did for him. Yeah, fantastic Yeah, like and you look at his yearly. He doesn't just win the Stanley copy. He has a kid like it's all within what a three-week month span I don't know. It's just it's we had our York Simco Express Alumni golf tournament and everybody is like we're Shawn and it's like well, he's at his parade Like he's literally at his parade day. It's a little busy today. Go look online for him But just all the guys that I play with like I think I've done this way too many times, but like there's Chris Shawn Taylor Check Conor Chris Gabe Greco Adam bros. Oh like those guys are people that mean a lot to me Zach Scoobnick and Like to go back there and do that golf tournament with them and still just be one of the people Andy Monroe that they're just like Wow, like we're proud of you and I'm like I lucked out No, you didn't look at you luck luck out like you you worked hard like the story of Aaron Ambrose's hard work and perseverance and Blocking shots and injuring yourself and not telling anybody and getting right back into the lineup Let me ask you about the career, and I'm not trying to wrap you up. Yeah, I'm not trying to wrap you signed a friend I have even step foot my new contract. I don't even know if you have like a house yet to move into in Las Vegas And I want to get there, but right now as it stands as we speak you have a Hall of Fame resume Where have you not won a championship? No, you've won a championship everywhere like you are the most decorated Women's hockey player in the history of Canada Like you have a Hall of Fame resume. Do you ever think about that only when you bring it up to me? No, I'm not the only one that brings this up. No, I'm not you are your resume says Hall of Fame Thank you. Do you think about that? No, will you think about that one day? Have you thought about when you will think about it? No, I think the only time I would ever think about it is if Cassie Campbell Pascal calls me out of the blue And I would be like, why are you calling me once I retire, right? I'll be cast So you're not going to bite on the Hall of Fame stuff. Okay, so I shift tracks here Was there ever a point because you've been very public about your struggles? Was there a point where you were gonna call it quits and how close were you doing it? I think there's been multiple like I think I Got to my first Olympics and it was like I did it. Yeah, done it Think of going through The struggles and the Just how long it took for the PWHPA The all of that to happen and then to actually get the PWHL I think there was definitely times at that point that you're just like when I went through injuries during those times It was just like what am I doing like But it was always the thing that was the glue that held me together was a national team and those players that are on that team Like it always was just one more tournament with that Like I think people probably are like sick of me because it was like after 2026 Like when I went to 22. I was like, okay 26 like I want to go. I want to be there I want my family to be able to experience it and that that'll probably be it And then I signed it to your contract and there was like Aaron. I thought you said Mm-hmm. I said well my brother-in-law said I can't score or if I can't retire until I score another goal So like we might have five years left in my tank, but yeah, it's just There's always so many like there's times when you sit there and you get hit with a roadblock or you get Smacked in the face with an injury and you're just like why am I doing this and then somebody or something brings you back and For me there's a lot of people that have continued to kind of be in my corner Like even this summer having some conversations with somebody like Renault afast and it's like that somebody I want to go to battle with every single time and that's A great friend that I want to go alongside her on her journey and want to make our journey kind of together and She's somebody that makes me better on the ice. She makes me better off the ice and somebody that Without her I'm in my career. I wouldn't I don't even think I'd be in Olympia. There are moments along the way that are profound and you realize how things have changed when they happen. I'm sure you've had this experience. I remember with a close friend of mine and And his daughter I remember asking her once like who her favorite hockey players were and it was all guys and Then two years later she had gone to we we took her to her first PWH all game and asked for the same question It was all women That was the moment. I'm like yeah things have really changed What was it like the first time you asked a young girl who your favorite hockey player or hockey players were and they answered with women Not guys do you remember is there anything you remember like like that because that was a profound one for me I'm like now like that really feels like a massive massive shift. I don't know if there was like a Stranger anything but like my cousin who's out here with her two kids Sadie was the first great-grandchild on my dad's side and That girl couldn't be a bigger hockey fan and before Beijing it was go-go air in and now it flipped to Biggest victor fan in the world and as soon as she found out I was going to Vegas. Yeah She's old enough to that help it helps that it's not why it's okay go Vegas and Like that's something for me like I don't even know if she knows much of the Toronto Maple Leafs her dad's a Red Wings fan So that's unfortunate, but I Mean like it's like we should say you're a Maple Leafs fan. That's why you're saying that about the that is right right But she's through and through just like this is this is her life She has all these teams and then she goes oh the golden eyes got a team. Oh the torrent got a team like it. It's like She's up in the know of women's hockey and that's pretty unbelievable Tell me about Vegas some of Las Vegas and why? Las Las Vegas for you So you're probably wanting to hear well this guy. I had a conversation with him when I was unsure and this guy Just sat on the phone and he said Aaron you won't be unhappy the guy was Jeff, but it was before that and But if it's a massive success, I'll take all the credit if if I'm being honest talking to Dami throughout I had a call with her and a call with Kim Weiss and I know you're a huge fan of Kim Kim's amazing And I have all day long for Kim. I mean, it's it's tough. You sit there and you're like ooh an expansion team like that's Who are my teammates gonna be like I don't know and that was one part that I was hesitant about and then Getting to talk with Dami getting to talk with Kim and I was just like they're not gonna lead us in a bad direction And then having Kendall Cooper and Mae Batherson sign. I was like that is a decorer I want to be a part of right away And then it just continued to build after that like the players that Dami sign in for agency the players we got in drafts like I like what we're doing. It's it's it's it's a it's a really cool place - like As anyone who's played there, but the thing is like what you're gonna what you're gonna find out is The stereotype is the strip, but it's not that yeah, that it's it's so much remember Gary Lawless would tell me this all the time It's not that. Yeah, it's it's so much more than that What are you looking forward to there? First getting together with the team like really meeting everybody. There's a lot of girls that I know of but I don't know so just like Honestly getting together as a group And then just getting into the community whether that be at camps practices aces games like Everything about Vegas seems to be so excited about our group So I also cannot wait to play in front of the fans I've never been to team mobile. I've heard that it is an absolute. It's it's a scene unbelievable atmosphere And I don't think that it'll be any different for us. I think you're kind of a great time there. I think you're really gonna enjoy it. You know I think you and I have talked about this before the idea of you know use hockey. Don't let hockey use you When you look at hockey as a vehicle for you to do other things meet other people have different experiences I think what comes what comes to mind for you God, why do we have to go so deep because Walters here. I'm talking about your career And you've had a couple of drinks. Yeah, I know and I would like to go have more. We can't go deep. I can't release you yet Um, I don't know like I I honestly don't know how to answer it because I'm just like Hockey has given me a lot but Yeah, it's just I feel fortunate to have put been put in a position be on teams that just, I think of our national team and the human beings I've been able to surround myself with, like obviously I have to give a lot of credit to my mom and my dad and my sister for kind of shaping me into who I am, but the people I've gotten to play with and now get to call friends, like I don't even know if that answers your question, but our national team has been my entire, that is what I take the most pride in. The right answer, the right answer to that question is the one you're giving. Yeah, the right answer is always people, right, at the at the end of it, like the right answer is. See look, mom's coming to shut me down. She knows I've got a party to get to. Am I getting the hook here? Okay, let me, let me, let me, let me just surrender, we'll close on this then. Just surrender the floor to you, Aaron Ambrose, champion, Walter Cup champion, Hall of Fame resident, sorry I'm always gonna mention. What, I think I don't know if I've done, I've asked you this one on the air before, like what do you want people to know about you? Not just as a player, but as a person as well. If we could get out of the frame and Walter could get out of the frame, it's this, it's the people that are here today. Like, all walks of life, all such a different group of people. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Is it everything that you thought it would be? When you wanted and you thought, oh, I'm gonna get my day. I'll let you know with how I'm feeling tomorrow. Okay, let's expect to text. I won't expect anything early. You're a star, congratulations. Thank you. I'm gonna steal Walter now. Oh, can't, do I get like a couple? No, you have to in the frame by yourself. That's unfortunate. Just the one shot. All right, Walter, it was nice hanging out with you, but I didn't win you. Oh, that is a heavy, heavy cheese. See the muscles? I was gonna say heavier than the Stanley Cup, right? It is. It should be air and amros of PWA child Las Vegas. All right, listen, we're gonna wrap things up here. Such a nice time and it's gonna be a wonderful party here. People are filtering in. This has been a lot of fun hanging out with you here at Felon Falls and a special edition of the Sheet. I'm glad to have you aboard today. Thanks for Greg Huchinski for stopping by Zach. Is your mic hot? You have a hot mic? Yeah, see the thing that we have to train Aaron on still here is that the right answer to give in the media would have been the reason going to Vegas is because we're flip-flops and no tax and then we can clip that and say see even the woman's players are going to know. They're saying the same thing. They just want to say good much money in their jeans as possible. Yeah, just like the dudes. Aaron's gonna have a great time in Vegas and they're gonna love her there and she's gonna love Kim and Kim's gonna love her and it's gonna be a, it's gonna be a great set up there for everybody involved and I'm excited to get down to see a game there as well. Anything stand out to you Zach, Rosie, wrap up the program here. I mean, you're a YSC guy. I mean, I'm sure you like hearing YSC here and there. Yeah, it was, it was pretty cool to see obviously Sean and then Aaron went in and then I'm talking Aaron about her taking it up to Georgina today back home for them and you know, thinking about the fact that there were two that went through that organization this year and the city of Kazwick is a, it's pretty cool. Pretty cool to see and then obviously like I watched Aaron growing up as much as Aaron might not want to hear me say that. Hey, hang on, Ambrose. Okay, come here. I want you to hear something. I get this, I get this all the time and it makes me feel old. I want to know if this makes you feel old. Tell Aaron what you just told me. Yeah, my dad used to take me to the ring to watch Aaron. 28. Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought it was like going to be more profound at a difference in age because I get that. Yeah, he's listened to you when I was younger. Oh, geez. I watched you growing up. Oh, great. Yeah. Thanks. It's not the calm. All right. Bye. Bye. We'll see you on the back yard in a second. But yeah, very cool. What's that? Oh, right. Sorry. See, I don't, I didn't grew up with a cottage. Now, one of these fancy, fancy people like you. All right. Bye, you are very cool, very cool to see, very cool to see it. And as you can get that, here's the back. If we get that shot, if we're carrying the cup down, there's goes. Everyone's got their phones out taking the shots of, can we get that? We move it. It's such a great shot. Look at that. Let's get, Ambrose. I'm watching on YouTube. I want to make sure she gets this. That's so good. It's fantastic. Okay. We'll wrap things up and we'll join the party. Thanks so much for joining us here today on the sheet from Finland Falls at the Aaron Ambrose Walter Cup celebration. Family, friends, media, dogs. There's one right there. And you. Thanks so much for being a part of it. We are back here on the sheet on Thursday at one o'clock Eastern. The meantime, everyone in the chat. Thank you. Everybody listening on your favorite podcast platform or watching here on our DFO YouTube. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate you. We'll talk to you again on Thursday. I'm not against those matters, but I'm new. It's me, myself, and I'll be fixing my mind. Do you want to break it? I turned on the music. I turned on the music.