The Vatican’s Time Machine, Jesus & A Missing Scientist | Tent Talk

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He says that he and a team of scientists had built a device that could tune into any moment in history and play it back like television. He said that they had used it to watch ancient Rome, to hear a play that had been lost for 2,000 years and to witness the final hours of Christ. And according to people who spread his story, it ended up in the one place on earth that's been guarding secrets for thousands of years. This is the story. Of the chrono visor. So, sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, dude, and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagnon, and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, and controversial stories from around the world from all time forever. Yes, that is what I do here in this tent is I basically gather around. I bring in my closest friends. And they help me try to figure out what's going on in the world. I find these rabbit holes. I hear theories. I uncover mysteries, and I try to get to the bottom of them. And look, I don't believe in every story, but I do believe that every story is fascinating. And I want to know why other people believe it. You know, like if someone comes to me, they're like, dude, I believe in this thing. I'm like, well, why? What is it that you saw? What compelled you to believe this? And so I try to take every topic with as much, you know, as much openness, but as much, you know, scrutiny as I can to. You know, try to really parse the truth and figure out what is fact and what is speculation. And today's episode is absolutely fascinating. And actually, the first time I heard of it was when I think AJ over the Y-Files did an episode on it. And I was like, hold on. I've never heard of this. And it sent me down an insane rabbit hole that I haven't been able to stop talking about. So before we jump in, I want to thank you for real, dude. I want to thank you for tuning in because every time you click an episode, you comment, you like, you help the show grow. You help us, you know, be alive. You help us be able to expand and do cool things and do documentaries and, you know, bring people in that help the show, you know, become better. And you keep the lights on in the tent. You keep the fire burning here at the camp. Okay. That's really what I'm trying to say. Now, I also want to thank my good pal, Christos Pacharapodos, because Christos sits beside me every single day for, I mean, 27, 28 hours a day. And we just, we just chit chat, you know? And for that, I'm indebted to you. I'm very grateful. How are you? And I'm indebted to you. Are you really? How much? Six figures. Six figs? That's how much you've paid me so far. That's not debt. Okay. You did a wonderful service. All right. So, of course, you had to be compensated for that. Yeah. But if there is still an outstanding debt, I will keep that in mind. And we can put you on a credit system. We'll do 29 hours a day. Exactly. Exactly right. Now, the chronovisor is a fascinating story. All right. And I'm going to tell you exactly where it comes from. Really, the center of the story is actually about a man. And his name is Father Pellegrino Ernetti. Now, Father. Ernetti was born on October 13th, 1925, in a small town outside of Rome called Rocca Santo Stefano. In 1941, shortly after turning 16, he joined the Benedictine Abbey of San Giorgio Maggiore. And it basically sits on its own island directly across the water from St. Mark's Square in Venice. But here's the thing. Ernetti was obsessed with archaic music. He actually taught at the Benedetto Marcello Conservatory in Venice and was considered one of, like, He was, like, the top dog in the field. He knew everything. And on top of that, he was also an exorcist, which in the Catholic Church is an official appointment that a bishop has to grant. So he's not just, like, a regular old priest. Like, the bishop of his diocese was like, hey, Ernetti's got some real spiritual powers. He was also known as a pretty quiet and serious person, which is a big part of why everything in his life that comes next shocked so many people. So his entire career was built around sanity. How it was produced, how it was recorded, how music from centuries ago can be reconstructed when no one alive had ever even heard the original version of it. And he was just obsessed with, like, harmonics and creating beautiful sounds and replicating beautiful sounds and what sounds work together and why. And according to his own account, it was a sound recording that started everything. In the early 1950s, Ernetti began working with a guy named Father Agostino Gemelli. Now, Gemelli was a big name. Okay, he was a Franciscan friar, a physician, psychologist, also the founder of the Catholic University of the Sacred Heart in Milan, which is one of the largest Catholic universities in the world. He also had a lab where he studied the physics of sound and speech. It's worth noting, before we go any further, Catholic priests, first off, they belong to different orders. It's basically just, like, a subcategory. It's not, like, a different religion. It's just, like, okay, this is a specific order, almost like a fraternity within the Catholic. Okay. So, Catholic priests, where priests can become, you know, Opus Dei or Benedictine or Franciscan or Jesuit, and they kind of just, like, they maybe look different. They, like, dress slightly differently, and they have, like, different areas of focus and expertise. That's one way to look at it. Also, a lot of Catholic priests double up in some other type of expertise. And, I mean, like, all the Catholic universities are founded by Catholic priests that have some type of background in education or physics or some other type of academic discipline. So, they're not. They're not only sort of soldiers for the Lord. They also have, like, legit credentials, you know? You don't get married, and you live in a house, and you just focus all your time on studying. Like, you're going to be able to pick up some additional degrees along the way. Now, these two men were recording Gregorian chant, trying to capture its harmonics as accurately as possible. Gregorian chant, if you don't know, it's when you go to church, and they're like, You know. You know the one. It's beautiful. It's pretty nice, right? That's a real one. Ave Maria. Ave Maria. Yeah, that can be Gregorian. Now, this is where the story gets weird, okay? September 15th, 1952. They were recording with a machine that kept on breaking. The wire inside kept on, like, snapping, and they had to stop and repair it over and over again, and they were getting super frustrated. But Gemelli had a private habit. For years, whenever things got difficult, he would silently ask his dead father for help. And he said, He had never gotten an answer until that day. So, Gemelli basically prayed out loud for his father's intercession. And when they fixed the recorder and played the tape back, they said that they heard a voice that they believed was Gemelli's father. Basically saying that he would, of course, help him and that he was always with him. Gemelli was apparently taken back by this, but Ernesti wanted to keep going, so they recorded again. But this time, they said that the voice was even clearer. They listened back to the recording, and it said, But Zucchini, it is clear. Don't you know it is I? Zucchini, what? Well, Zucchini was a childhood nickname that Gemelli's father had used for him. And according to Gemelli, no one else that was alive knew that that was his nickname that his father told him when he was just a boy. So, the two priests were basically listening to this recording of this guy's dead father. And they were so disturbed by it that they reportedly brought it all the way up to Pope Pius XII. According to the story, the pope was not alarmed. He simply told them that the discovery was purely scientific, it was not spiritualism, and that it might even help strengthen people's belief in life after death. This is now considered one of the earliest accounts of what a lot of paranormal researchers called EVP, or electronic voice phenomena, which are voices that supposedly show up on recordings when no one else is in the room speaking. What matters for our story, though, is that Ernesti took a lot away from it. If a voice could show up, it would be a voice that could be heard. If a voice could show up on a tape years after the person was gone, then maybe sound never disappears. It just fades past the point that we can hear it. Now, if that's true for sound, is it true for light? Now, this is the theory that becomes the chronovisor. Ernesti believed that every sound and image ever produced leaves behind an energy that never actually goes away. So, a voice from 2,000 years ago, or the light bouncing off a person's face in ancient Rome, it is still there. It is still out there. It's just incredibly faint. Like, think about it. You yell into a canyon. You say, hello, and then it echoes. Like, when does it stop? Does it just stop when you can't hear it? Well, what if you had some type of, like, very sensitive measurement device? Like, you could probably hear your voice reverberating off the walls of that canyon maybe a couple seconds after you stop hearing it. So, at what point does it actually end? And then, if you can go to a different machine, what if you go to an even more sensitive machine that can pick up that sound for, 10 minutes after you said it. This is the theory, his argument was that if you can detect those traces, separate them, and then reassemble them, you could theoretically watch and hear any moment in history. So according to French priest François Brune, who we'll get to in a second, Ernetti described the machine as having three main parts. First is a set of antennas made from special metal alloys, each one tuned to pick up a different range of wavelengths from sound to light. Second is a direction finder. This lets the user lock into a specific time, place, or person. And the third is basically equipment to display and record what comes through, basically like a screen with recorders attached. Ernetti never officially released the blueprints, and the alloys were never identified. But the most famous part of the story is who he said helped him build it. So Ernetti claimed that the chronovisor was the work of 12 scientists, and the names attached to that team are enormous. So first you have Enrico Fermi. The Nobel Prize-winning physicist who built the world's first nuclear reactor. Also the guy behind the famous Fermi Paradox, which, in short, basically, like, statistically, aliens definitely exist in the universe, even if we haven't seen them. You know, it's like the paradox of, like, how are there definitely aliens, but we don't have, like, 100% confirmation. And he's like, this is the paradox. The world and the universe is massive. The other is Wernher von Braun, the German rocket engineer who came to the U.S. under Operation Paperclip and later designed the Saturn V rocket that took Americans to the moon. Now, neither man has ever publicly said a word about chronovisor or this whole project, and Fermi actually died in 1954, which means that whatever role he allegedly played would have been in the very early stages. But if the account is true, you have a music scholar from a Venetian monastery who pulled together the guy who basically helped split the atom and the guy who built. the rocket that sent us to space to then help build a machine that would watch the past. You know, like, these are no slouches when it comes to scientific achievement. Now, according to Ernetti, the machine worked. He said that as the team refined it, they started to tune into some of the most famous moments in history. One of the first was ancient Rome. Ernetti claimed that they watched and listened to Cicero, the great Roman orator and poet, basically deliver a speech from 63 B.C., the year that Cicero exposed a conspiracy by a senator named Catalini to overthrow the Republic. In the stories passed down to François Brune, Ernetti also said that he watched Napoleon give a speech. But the claim that would eventually cause the most controversy involved a Roman playwright named Quintus Ennius. Ennius is sometimes called the father of Roman poetry. His last play was a tragedy called Thaestes. And we know a surprising amount about his final days. It was performed at the Ludi Apolline, which is a big Roman festival in July of 169 B.C. Now, Ennius died shortly afterward, but the play itself was completely lost. All that survives today is about 10 scattered fragments and a lot of quotes by later writers. But Ernetti claimed that he watched the original performance through the chronovisor and described and transcribed the entire play in Latin. If that were true, it would be one of the biggest discoveries in the history of, of classical literature. But there is a problem. It is supposed that this play was probably like 1,100 lines long. But the transcript that was taken from the chronovisor was only about 120 lines long. Now, this takes us to the biggest vision that the chronovisor allegedly saw. According to the story, January of 1956, the team tuned in to the Last Supper. And after that, the crucifixion of Jesus. Ernetti said that he watched Christ die on the cross. And they said that they even captured an image of his face. And for 16 years, all of this supposedly stayed inside a small circle of priests and scientists. But in 1964, Ernetti told someone who wasn't going to be quiet about it. So, in 1964, a French priest and theologian named Father François Brune, he was in Venice. This is the guy that I mentioned earlier. Now, Brune was a very serious scholar of languages and ancient texts. And he had a strong interest in the paranormal, especially the idea of communicating with the dead. So, according to Brune, he was riding a Vaporetto, one of Venice's water buses, when he struck up a conversation about ancient languages and early Christianity with an Italian Benedictine monk. And that monk is, of course, Pellegrino Ernetti. Bruno said that the two became friends and that over the course of their conversation, Ernetti eventually told him everything. The voice on Gemelli's tape, the team of scientists, how the antennas worked, and what they could actually see. Bruno also said that Ernetti told him that the chronovisor, the chronovisor had been dismantled. He claimed that a device like that was just too dangerous to exist. And that if it could watch any moment in the past, it could watch any moment, period. A private conversation, a government meeting, confessions, there would be no secret left on earth ever again. Bruno kept this to himself for years, but eight years after that boat ride, Ernetti went public himself. So on May 2nd, 1972, La Domenica del Correre, the Sunday magazine, of the Correre della Sera, one of Italy's largest newspapers, published an interview with Ernetti by a journalist named Vincenzo Maddaloni. It was the first time the chronovisor was presented to the public. And Ernetti basically described the machine and the team and what they had witnessed. And alongside the article, the magazine printed the face of Jesus Christ. Chris, if you could pull the image up. It's already up. You can see it here. It's, uh, it's, I mean, it's pretty shocking, right? The image, if you're listening, it shows a bearded man with his head tilted upward and, uh, you know, his mouth slightly open a little bit, looking basically kind of in pain. And a lot of readers, they basically report it as the most stunning thing they'd ever seen in a magazine. And immediately the story spread across Italy and then around the world. But it didn't take long for some people, specifically the skeptics, to try to notice something. So in the town of Colle Valenza in central Italy, there's a Catholic shrine called the Sanctuary, the Sanctuary of Merciful Love. And inside it hangs a large wooden crucifix carved by the Spanish sculptor Lorenzo Collato Valera. And according to the skeptics, the face on that crucifix looked almost exactly like the face in the magazine. So you can see an image of the side-by-side of the original magazine's publication and then the, of course, the infamous actual crucifix that's hanging in a shrine in Italy. And people would say, okay, look, they're similar, you know, eyebrows, they're sort of similar, like, thickness. They're both, like, looking up in the same exact way. And so for a lot of people, it was just kind of like the end of the story. But Ernetti's supporters made a different argument. According to the sanctuary's own account, the crucifix sculptor was commissioned by Mother Speranza. And basically, they claim that Jesus had shown her how he wanted to be depicted. So as the theory goes, for the defenders, Mother Speranza told Lorenzo exactly how Jesus looked and he used that to create the sculpture. People also claim that a bad photo doesn't automatically prove that the machine never existed. Maybe Ernetti couldn't release the real image. Maybe he was threatened or feared for his life. So he used some type of stand-in for something that he wasn't allowed to actually show. Or maybe if you believe the machine was real, the artist simply captured the face better than anyone had realized. And then, of course, the Thaestes text came under scrutiny as well. Remember, this is the ancient tragedy that was lost to time that the chronovisor team, alleged that they were able to actually listen to and then transcribe into Latin. But when scholars examined the Latin, it didn't hold up the way that an authentic 2,000-year-old text should. One later analysis by researcher Alessandro Russo concluded that the supposedly new verses were largely built from existing translations and material that was already available. Classical scholar Catherine Owen Eldred also examined the alleged transcript and identified linguistic anachronisms. For example, the text regularly uses the term preledure. This is a word whose surviving literary record occurs 250 years after the poet Ennius had likely lived. It would be like recovering like an alleged original transcript of Shakespeare, but it's using words from the 1900s. And it'd be like, well, Shakespeare didn't use those words. So by the end of the 1970s, the two pieces of physical evidence that Ernetti had offered, you know, the face, and the transcription of this play were both in serious doubt. But Ernetti never fully walked back the story, not publicly anyway. And if you've looked up the story online, you've probably seen some of the other alleged images from the chronovisor. One appears to show Jesus walking through a field with his followers. It's pretty grainy and washed out. And at first glance, it might look like something a machine would have pulled out of the past, but put it beside this artwork by Johannes Raphael Well, called Jesus Among the Wheatfield, and it looks oddly similar. Another supposed image shows Peter and John running, but that scene comes from the 1898 painting by Eugene Bernand. These images have become part of the chronovisor legend, and we shouldn't confuse them with the photograph attributed to Ernetti. They're just examples of how a story can be manipulated as it gets passed around. Now, Father Pellegrino Ernetti died on April 8th, 1994 at the monastery of San Giorgio Maggiore, where he had lived for more than 50 years. And years after his death, a document surfaced supposedly recounting a deathbed confession. confession. According to someone claiming to be a relative, Ernetti admitted two things. First, that the Thaestus text was something he had put together himself using fragments from ancient authors. And second, that the image of Christ was a lie. Now, here's where things get interesting. He supposedly maintained that he had really built a chronovisor, only that it had never fully worked. In fact, he claimed that on one occasion it came incredibly close. So even in this alleged confession, which again, we can't really verify, Ernetti wasn't necessarily admitting that the machine was entirely made up. He was admitting that it never accomplished what he claimed it had. But Francois Brune didn't buy the confession. He disputed its authenticity and believed that Ernetti may have been pressured by the church authorities to take back his claims. Now, that leaves us with three possibilities. One, Ernetti made the whole thing up, and the confession was basically his final attempt to come clean and be honest with the public. He genuinely tried to build the machine. It never achieved what he claimed and kind of lied about the evidence to make up for it. Or, as Brune suspected, church authorities pressured him to be quiet and the full story died with him. But without the machine, without any independently verified evidence, and without a way to authenticate the final confession, there's no way to know for certain what Ernetti actually built, or if he even built anything at all. So if Ernetti's death was supposedly the end of the story, it actually did the opposite. So in 1997, Austrian author Peter Krause published a book on Ernetti in German, and in 2000 it was translated into English as Father Ernetti's Chronovisor, The Creation and Disappearance of the World's First Time Machine. Then, in 2002, Francois Brune finally published his account, a book called Les Nouveaux Mysteries du Vatican, The New Mystery of the Vatican. My French accent is fire. I gotta bust that out more. Now, Brune's book is the main source of the story. 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A young Italian physicist named Ettore Majorana boarded a ferry from Naples to Palermo, and he was never seen again. Now, Majorana was a member of Enrico Fermi's legendary group of physicists in Rome. And Fermi reportedly held him in such high regard that he put him in like the same category as Galileo and Isaac Newton. And his disappearance to this day has never been solved. Theories range from him taking his own life to escaping from the Vatican. To South America, to joining a monastery and disappearing from public life. But the last theory is connected to the chronovisor. Italian author Massimo Colangelo wrote a book linking Majorana to the chronovisor, suggesting that the missing physicist may have been a part of the secret team that Ernetti described. Now, there's no evidence that's documented connecting Majorana to Ernetti, but you can see why believers find the idea irresistible. You have a genius from a monk who claims that Fermi helped him build a machine that could see through time. So, that brings us to the real question at the center of this story. Despite whether or not the chronovisor ever existed, the place it would have ended up is obviously very real. The Vatican Archive was established as its own institution under Pope Paul V in 1612. And for most of its history, it was officially called the Vatican Secret Archive. But that name made conspiracy theories go nuts, specifically because of the word secret, obviously. But the Latin word secretum didn't really mean secret in the way that we use it today. It just means private, as in like, you know, the private papers of the Pope. But the word secret had taken on such a sinister meaning that in October of 2019, Pope Francis officially renamed it to the Vatican Apostolic Archive. The archive is massive. I mean, it holds roughly like, I think it's like 85 of shelves and documents going back to like the 8th century, maybe even earlier. And for most of its existence, almost no one outside the church could go in. And it wasn't until 1881 that Pope Leo XIII opened it up to outside researchers. And even today, you can't just like walk in. It's not a part of like the Vatican tour. Researchers have to be approved and you have to request specific items. In other words, you have to know what you're looking for before you can even look at it. Every so often, though, something will come out. In 2001, an Italian researcher named Barbara Frale found a document that had been misfiled for centuries. It was the Chinon parchment. And it showed that in 1308, Pope Clement V had actually absolved the leaders of the Knights Templar years before they were burned at the stake. For centuries, history had remembered the Templars as, you know, an order of, you know, warrior kind of like knights that worked with the church that protected travelers and protected, very precious goods that then became heretics and the church condemned them. And then they were all sentenced to death. But this document complicated all of that. The archive also holds the trial records of Galileo, the letter that Mary, Queen of Scots, wrote to the Pope before her execution, and an 1887 letter from a Native American chief of the Ojibwe tribe written on birch bark addressed to Pope Leo XIII. But one of the craziest things is a document from 1530. It's a petition from more than 80 English lords and clergy asking Pope Clement XIII to annul Henry VIII's marriage to Catherine of Aragon. It has 81 wax seals hanging off of it, weighing over six pounds. The Pope said no, and that refusal helped lead to Henry breaking away from Rome and then founding the Church of England. And some parts of the archive are still being opened up today. Documents are generally released one papacy at a time, decades after the events actually occur. For example, the records from Pope Pius XIII, who led the church through World War II, weren't open to researchers until March 2nd of 2020. That's the same Pope who, according to the story, listened to two priests describe a dead man's voice on a tape in 1952. So when people inevitably ask what is hidden in the Vatican archives, the honest answer is that nobody knows the full inventory of what's inside, not the public, and in a sense, not even the researchers, because you can really only find what you know to ask for. So let's try to pull it all together, okay? You have this respected monk and an expert in ancient music, and they basically claim that they heard a dead man's voice on a tape in 1952. He said that that experience led him to build a machine with a team that allegedly included some of the most famous scientists of the 20th century. He said that he watched Cicero speak, he heard a lost Roman play, and he saw the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. But the face that he showed the world very eerie match to an existing wooden crucifix. And the play that he translated didn't fully hold up to the scrutiny of scholars. And in an alleged confession published after his death, he supposedly admitted that the machine had never truly worked. Now, again, none of that proves that the chronovisor was real, but the place where the story says that the machine ended up is the Vatican archives and records that have shaped history and others that researchers may have never even looked at before all exist there. And the chronovisor was supposed to be the machine that could let us see into the past, but in a way, the Vatican archives already is that machine. The only question is what is still on those shelves that no one has thought to ask for yet. And that, my friends, is a brief history of the legend of the chronovisor. I mean, pretty fascinating. It's a good one. It kind of ties in everything in a way. I mean, the theory on its face is awesome. Like, yeah, dude, if you say something, could you see it later? Like, people always say, like, if aliens that were a thousand light years away had a telescope that could see Earth, they would be seeing the Earth in the medieval times. Right? Like, because the light is traveling at the speed of light, but they're seeing the light emitted from a thousand years ago. As Paul Sutter told us, that's a time machine. That's basically a time machine, right? So, the theory kind of makes sense. Now, did he actually build it? I don't know. I don't know. I don't like to believe that a priest would, like, intentionally lie. Because as we know, priests are perfect and they never do anything wrong. So, I don't love that. And as a Catholic, a part of me is like, well, I don't want him to lie. But then the other part, as a Catholic, you have to be like, well, then did the church pressure him to, like, discredit himself or, like, to fib or something like that? Or, like, was the newspaper in on, like, trying to make him look foolish? I mean, he never said that. Now, according to this deathbed confession, he came clean about everything, which doesn't look great. Yeah. I mean, it's not, it doesn't look great for the church. As a Catholic, I think we kind of got to wear this one and be like, whoops, our bad. But the idea is awesome. Who knows? Maybe, maybe there's something to it. Maybe we got to just sit with the chronovisor for a little longer and really try to figure it out. We should try to build one. Me and you, how hard could it be? I feel like you have psychic abilities. Me? Yeah. Crazy. No, you have, like, this vibe. I feel like if you put on, like, the right kind of hat or something, like a turban with a jewel or something, something, like, very mystical, I feel like you could, you could see something. You're trying to get me canceled. I'm just saying, I feel like if you were to do the full Justin Trudeau vibe, I think you could see something, dude. Face paint? Yeah, that's my suspicion. I don't know. What do you guys think? You think the chronovisor saw anything? Is there anything that I missed in my summary of events? Any details or anything either from the skeptic side or from the believer side that would help bring more light to this theory? Please drop a comment. YouTube's my favorite. Thank you. Spotify. I read all of them anyway, so go ahead. I'll check them out. Also, if you like history content, well, great news. We have History Camp, where we go through all the craziest events of all of history. 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