The Untold Lore of Katseye

Coachella was like, "We were hungry." Grammys, VMAs, AMAs, Coachella, Lala Paloza. We're going on tour, sold out tour. - We fucking love each other so much. - It was like you're faking it. - Yeah, never understand how much love we love each other. - They'll never understand. - Doing an ad-like gap was one of the goals and it really was one of the spaces when we were like, "Wow, we made such an insane impact with this." - You guys have crazy lore. - When you're watching Disney Channel and you find Megan Skindell from Cat's Eye. - As she was like, "Can't wait to many goals." (cheering) - I can't escape it! - I literally can't escape it. - This is my audition for the group. You know what I mean? Every group of girls makes a token game. - You don't even need to audition. - Good. - It's all play with me. - Let's talk about the new EP. - We're going to talk about it. - Wow. (upbeat music) - This is a moment I'm going to tell my kids about how I could not be more honored and excited to say, "Cat's Eye, welcome to Nikki at night." - Thanks for having me. - Yeah. - I am obsessed with you guys. I mean, since Dream Academy have been tapped in. - Your day one. - I'm gonna say one. - We know 'cause we've been seeing your videos and all of a sudden you heard since Dream Academy. Yeah, you, in a dark place, you've shut a little bit up towards us. - No, no, no, no. - Why do you've been the sweetest? - You guys are the sweetest. - Thanks. - And I went to the L-Ray show. - Oh my God. - You're the way. - I never thought about that show. - That was like your walkers. - It was your first concert. - Yeah, it was technically, yeah. - Yeah. And I literally, I pulled a (beep) down and I was like, "They'll never perform "in a venue this small ever again. "Never again." - You'll be surprised. - Yeah. - That's a show. - No way. - We've actually loved, I think, those small venues, like the most. - I think those are the best shows, 'cause like you see everybody and feels like we're here together. - Totally. And it's also like, the real ones had a show up to that. - Yeah, those are our fans. Like we could be ourselves and they wouldn't get it. Like they know our humor and they know our personalities. So we're not like too much trying to sell ourselves anymore. We're kind of just like being. And they're being with us. - And that's when you're at your best. - Yeah. - You guys are supposed to look at a lot about like the purpose of Katzai. To be this like representation you never got as a little girl and to represent all of your cultures, like not just individually, but as a group. How does it feel to like be the change that you always wanted to see? - Honor. It's just the honor. I think like we still have imposter syndrome because like, I don't think we, it's so hard to like put your feet on the ground and realize like what Katzai really is and like where it has gone and the impact and the amount of people. But I think what we really know and what we've known even since Dream Academy is like Katzai more than just something like big would be something really impactful and really like meaningful to people. Like it would speak to people in a way that makes them feel seen rather than just like big music and fame. Like it just felt like we were a part of something a lot like larger than life. So I think it's just like a beautiful feeling. I feel like my inner child is healed. - Yeah, you're empowering like millions of little girls across the world. - It's so sick. - You know, I think it's also so cool about it too, is like the success of Katzai is something that is going to make the industry music wake up to that. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Like it doesn't end with you. You are going to create a wave of like acceptance that music has struggled with traditionally. And like that is like I think what is so beautiful to me. Even again, like when I went to your shows and I see like an eight year old girl freaking out. And the fact that she's going to get to age with you. - Yeah. - You know, like that was us like Ariana. - Ariana. - It's still me. - It's still me. - It's still me. - It's still me. - Yeah. - Do you ever feel like pressure associated with that being the first of your kind in some way? - I wouldn't say pressure. I mean like she was saying it's like really just truly an honor. It definitely has its little like ups and downs but I don't think pressure is the word. - Good. - Yeah. - I think it's like a responsibility. - Yeah. - Great. - More than a pressure. - Great, great, great. - And like responsibility is a beautiful thing but it comes with a lot of needing to be at your best, needing to like think more, make the right decisions. Which is a pressure but it's not a bad pressure. - Yeah, exactly. - It's like a pressure that we're very excited to have. - Yeah, with great power comes great responsibility. - Yeah, exactly. - Do you guys realize how much you could accomplish at your age? - Actually, no. - No. - Actually, yes. I was just thinking about it. - Good for you. - Good for you. - Good for you, Dan. - I don't know, I'm 21. I think it's because I'm about to turn 22. - Yeah. - And like, okay, I'm about to be 22, gay, birthday but like also like wait a second, like pause. Think about what you've done in the last year, only. And like, I have like friends that, you know, just, I don't know, they have that dream and they're like, you're doing it. And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, like I haven't realized that. Like I am, I'm doing what I love and I'm doing, what I've been dreaming of doing since I was like, very, very young. - Five. I've seen those videos of you on America's Got Talent. - Yeah. - Like all of them, like it is you are living your dream. - I am. And like, Grammys, VMAs, AMAs, Coachella, Lala Paloza, we're going on tour, sold out tour. Like it's just like, what the actual heck is happening. - Yeah, I think sometimes we can get like lost into like just like the rehearsals and like the day-to-day schedule that we forget, like the big things that we accomplish. Like I think sometimes we're like so in lock-in mode being like, okay, like we're prepping for this new music video then we're prepping for tour then we're prepping for Coachella then we're prepping, like we're all like so work focused. That sometimes we can get lost into it. But then like we have to take those moments being like, wow, like we're actually achieving so much and like really being able to take it in is like really, really sick. Like I remember for AMAs like after we got on stage, we were all just like, oh my god. Yeah. And then we had a dinner after and just was like, wow, like we have done so much, which is so, so sick. - And you worked so hard for it. - Yeah, that's the best part. Like it's like, I remember all the rehearsals and blood, sweat and tears that we put into everything that we do. So it's like when we get and be, when we're able to like accomplish our dreams it's like we really put in the work for it. So it feels even 10 times greater. - Yeah. There's this one Sophia, you have this one quote that I love where you said, it's important to surround yourself with people who knew the dreamer before they knew the artist. And I think it's also very beautiful that you all knew the dreamers. - Yeah. - I know. - Yeah. - I was actually talking about that recently. I, my friend from the Sarah Femme Union came over and we were talking about how the people we surround ourselves with, especially like the ones we go back to, a lot of them are our friends and family that really knew us when we were still putting all of these, like manifesting all of this, like praying about it, telling everybody about it, working hard, like those people really know who we are, keep down. And I feel like that's why it's a little more difficult now for us to create certain connections and for them not to just see like the cats I front that we have to put up. And that's why it's really special that each of us have people that we do know, have known for a long time. And as traumatizing as it was, it really was a great experience to have a time like dream academy because again, we got to like know each other, we got to become sisters before cats I even happened. So we got to a solid foundation where we know each other and we know that each of us are hard workers, you know, we know each other's work ethic and all those things. So it really means a lot to have that in our position. No, and I wish that people could see the way you guys interact with each other off camera. I know, actually we're actually the best friends. Like, there was like a 15-minute dialogue about Laura's hair. And Megan was petting her in the kitchen. Like, the sun, like we fucking love each other so much. I think it's like the more you say it, it's like people-- Like, people want to-- It was like you're a baby, you never understand that. Well, we love each other. We'll never understand because I think it's also, obviously we've been through so much. So that obviously keeps us close and keeps us bonded. But I think just in general, we got really lucky with just a genuine friendship with each other. And like, a friendship so close that we fight or sisters, but then we like come right back to it. Like, I think the core of it is that we celebrate each other's wins. Yeah. And like, when someone else has their own individual success, it feels like mine. It's become a conventional vice versa. It's very unconditional. Yeah. And we are so lucky to be blessed with that. Because not everyone is. No, no, no, no. And it's also, I think, like, why this worked? Yeah. Like, chemistry is everything. And even the silliness of it all-- like, I love the hips of like, you guys would be like a clip from a live. And it's like, don't make you in chase. You're in chase like the secret mom. - Sometimes, you know what I mean, guys? - It's sweet, like it's, you can tell that you guys are like, love each other as sisters. - Yeah. - They're like the first to know everything. - No, literally. - No, something happens. - But you guys, like, oh my God, yeah. The other day I got into a car accident and I texted the group chat. - You're right away. I was like, God, I just crashed my car. - That's crazy. - Yeah. - I one time got into a car accident listening to Crank, and I was like. - I was like, oh my God, I was like, oh my God, I didn't trip to me else. - Yeah. - She was just blasting music. - I was like, I was listening to the key and I was like, try to have a good day. - Right. Like, Marley's worth getting a car crash for, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? - That's sick, doesn't it? Like, when Marley's playing with you're like in a car crash and you're like, I was like, not like that. - You want to shoot now. - Oh my God, I was so different. - Yes. - You're very different. - Yeah. - I'm like, from like, when you first came and like, now. - Oh, that's true. - Remember that like, the fish eye? - Yeah. - Oh my God. - The best fish eye foot. - I was very, very, very young that when we were filming documentary and I feel like, like, my brain wasn't that developed. - Yeah. - I mean, she was 15. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You were a baby. I mean, we were all babies. - I actually don't really remember. - What? - No, same. I don't remember other. - Also like, so many things happened. - So I think maybe that's why it's like, gone. - Overloaded. - Overloaded. - But yeah, I think, yeah, I was very different. - Yeah. - I can't watch that documentary. I cringe at myself every single time. - It never runs like that. - It's because I'm only 20 now. But during that documentary, I was, I was 15 to 16. So I was going through my awkward stage on camera. - It's like. - It didn't read that way. - I don't think you were. - I was. - Also, like, I swear every time I came to the studio with no makeup on and not trying, that's when the cameras were there. And then when I tried to like, look, cute, the cameras weren't there. (laughing) - This is like not. - It's so true. - You're honest, I'll fit nobody. - No one, no one was paying attention. - Yeah. - You know, I actually don't feel that different. - Really? - To be honest, I think when I watch that documentary, I can tell that I was holding back parts of myself. I think that I was like trying to be the perfect person. And even when we would film in the documentary, I don't think I was being fully 100% authentic 'cause I was trying to be a version that would like, guarantee my spot in the group. (laughing) I think I was like, trying to be really calculated. And when I look back, I'm like, girl, like, just be yourself. Like, I feel like my nature has stayed the same. I look back and I'm like, that's a very hungry girl who wants it. - Yeah. - And she wants it. And I still feel like that same person. But I definitely feel like I understand what matters in life a little bit more now. Like love and friendship is like the core values of life. And that's what keeps everything going. And I think that we have taught each other that as well through this time. What do you feel like has evolved most about your artistry sense that time? - I feel like being able to take a little bit more risks. I feel like back then, especially with like the structure that we went through with the training process. It was like evaluations. Like we spent a month doing the same dance to do for the eval. And then the same song doing for the eval. And like, it was so rigorous, so structured. So like, you have to do this to get tens out of tens. So it was like so structured to the point where we like, we didn't want to step outside of the box because we needed to get that score to like improve. But I think now as an artist being on that stage, like we're able to like tap into our artistry a lot more and like make our own. Like we can think about, oh, like I want to do, like I want to crawl or I want to do a back bend on stage. Like we have a lot more fun and we can like, take a lot more risks, I feel. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I feel like you guys have really evolved as dancers. - Yes. - Oh my god. - Like when I watch that Gabriella dance break, it's everything. - We're doing quart wheels and everything. - I don't know, like it's so fierce. - Me and Danny. Me and Danny were actually supposed to do an aerial. - Yeah, they were. - Like, it's like a cartwheel with no hands. But then we were just like, why are we doing it? There's no song that we have to be doing an aerial. So we could do this. - I'm like, yeah, I also was just doing an aerial. - Yesterday. - We decided to put a hand down. - Wow, that's crazy. I mean, speaking about risks, I wanna talk about Narlie because there was some intense pushback to that song at the beginning, but now it's like the fan favorite. - Yeah. - How was that experience for you as an artist? - Pretty epic. - Yeah, it was pretty epic. - I think it was pretty cool. - We kept reminding ourselves about Lady Gaga. - Yes. - And she's the type of artist. - Not saying that. - Not saying that. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - We were not. - We were not Lady Gaga, you guys. - She was all on the first. - But like, we're safe in a sense that. - No, no, no, no. - The sense that. - The sense that. - The sense that. - No, we were trying to say that with Lady Gaga, the type of artist that she is, is that she didn't care if she made people uncomfortable. Like, that was her impact. - Totally. - Like, that was what she does. She will just come up with what she's feeling. She fully puts her full artistry into something. And people in the beginning will understand it. People in the beginning are like, I don't understand. - But they were clutching their girls. - They were just afraid. - They're just afraid of somebody to sort of. - Step out the box. - Step out of the box and make something else. Come out with something different that people aren't used to. That's not trending or things like that. And sort of be a trend setter. Make something new. And now everybody's trying to do that now. And for us to have a moment where we came out with something and everyone's like, this is horrible. Like, why would you come out with that? But then realize, hey, like, that's the artistry like putting out something so interesting and impactful. - Totally. It's like polarizing. You can't, you can't listen to that song and not feel something. - Yeah, yeah. - Like, and that is like the full of it. - Exactly. - Is like, the song is gnarly. - Yeah, it's like, yeah, you feel, you made it or you love it. - Right. - And I hate it until you love it. - Yeah. I think like, we made a decision where we're like, we do not want to do things that are just like, it's cool. Like, it's like, this is whatever, that was good. And then you forget about it. Like, we want it to like, stick in people's heads. And I think that the controversy of gnarly prepared us to do that for the rest of our career when people give us hate. Now, it's like. - Whatever. - Okay. - Whatever. But I really, like, I think it really taught us that things can switch up like that. - Yeah. - And people's opinions cannot affect our own opinion of, what, of anything. - And it was so impressive to me that as artists, you guys like pushed it and stuff stood by it. And like, like, posting so many videos of the choreo and all this. And like, we're like, I know we're gonna win you over. - Yeah. - And you know what I mean? Like, you really did. And I just thought that was the coolest thing ever. - Yeah. - Thanks. - And yeah. And I like also like that picture of you guys with like your face in the meat packaging. Lives in my mind, rent-free. - Oh my god. - It's so good. It's so good. - That was cool. - Switching gears. I want to talk about another like, the iconic moment of Kat's eye. We got to talk about the gap ad. - Oh, I love that. - It was like a moment of culture. Did you guys like, when you were shooting it, think it was gonna be as big as it was? - No. But we knew it was gonna make some sort of impact because of how iconic it is in general. Like, working with the choreographer, the concept. Like, everything was so good. Like, the song, milkshake as well. So, we knew it was gonna do good, but we were like, what the heck? Like, we just didn't expect it to be such a positive, positive impact, especially like, on like cultures and just like, representing that. Like, each of us being from somewhere different and being able to just have that on such an iconic gap campaign. - Yeah. - It was really, really sick. - Yeah, it was so cool. And I also think again, like when we were talking about, like, representing your people, like, what was so beautiful about that is it's like, it was in, like, malls. - Yeah. - And, like, you know, like, not just like, you never know, like, how older people are, or super young people are like, scrolling on TikTok or whatever. - It was like, in the wild. - Like, actual wild. - In the wild. - Yeah. - Literally, and it was everywhere. Like, it was something that, like, only you could have done. And again, like, that's when I, like, those moments that I feel like are consistently, like, the highlights of Kat's Eye, or when it's like, no one would have been able to do this besides you. - Yeah. - Thank you. - Thank you. - I think that's really true. - For sure. I mean, and at the time, like, considering it was happening politically, and very cool for a brand to, like, be willing to do that. - Yes. - That's true. - Yeah. - It was. I think that also gap is so sickening to me, because they are, like, the coolest ever. Their visuals are the coolest. They celebrate something meaningful with every collab they do. But then, it's also so. so accessible. And it's like, we all grew up with the brand Gap. But then now it's like, they also have Gap Studios and the dress for the Met Gala, but then like, but it's still so accessible and like, anybody can get Gap, but feel really confident in it. Like that's, that was another thing that I think we were really excited to like collab with them for, it's like, anybody can wear this. And I think that's how it like impacted culture. - Yeah. - You know what I mean was like, because it was in such a different lane than anything you guys had done before. - Yeah. - And, but that's what made it beautiful, you know what I mean? Did it really like make you realize your value as a group and what you can offer? - A little. - I think it also is something that we've known for a while that we could do so much - Yes. - with a global girl group. You know, like there was so much, so many goals that we wanted to do. I think doing a Gap, doing an ad like Gap was one of the goals, and it really was one of the spaces when we were like, wow, we made such an insane impact with this. And it was something that was beyond posting on social media, something that was beyond making music. Or just like, it was like a music video. - It was like a music video. - It was like a music video and it was also an ad that we didn't realize that we were gonna be in all the stories. - Yeah. - It would just be fast enough. And that's why we've been like being in the wild and just simply showing up as ourselves, even if people didn't know like, it didn't really exactly say cat's eye on everything. You know, like you just simply see like all these girls like performing and dancing in full venom. And you're just like, whoa, you already feel represented that way in that sense. Like simply just something like that. We were like, wow, we can, we have to continue to do this. Like to continue to authentically be ourselves. Even with Gap, they were like, will do your makeup the way that you want to, your hair the way that you want to, where your own jewelry, like commas, they really said commas you are. And even the denim outfits that we were wearing, they were like, we're gonna cater it to what you feel comfortable wearing, like what is Sophia, like what is Danny, like all those things. And so we really felt like we were ourselves and to have that impact as a result, it was like, wow. - And that's also why it worked. - Yeah, that's why it worked. - It was just like I wanted to realize, like it's authentic. - Yeah, authenticity. And like also letting artists and just people in general, like be, not have to fit into a box. Like that's what makes a true collaboration. Like that's what makes people shine. And I think, and that's what makes both parties shine too. And I feel like as we were doing it, we were like bitch, this is what we should be doing. - Yeah. - It was like, like this is the why. - This is the why. - Yeah, it is the why. - It's the mission. - That's so beautiful. - Yeah. - What was it like to be on that Coachella stage? - Oh my God, I blacked out, I think. - Really? - Really? - Yeah, you think. - Sort of. I feel like here's mentally what happened with me. I kind of told myself, oh it's just another performance because you have to or else you're gonna psych yourself out and be like, oh my God, it's Coachella. And then I'm gonna forget the choreo, forget the lyrics, forget everything, probably crash out throw up on stage. So I was like, okay, I have to think it's just another performance. So during it, I was just like, it's just another performance. And then I think a week after it hit me and I was like, that you did Coachella. Like, it's Coachella, like it's not just like another show. So it was definitely really, really crazy, especially only in like two years of doing this to be able to just do Coachella and say that we performed both weekends is really, really cool. We had a huge, huge, huge crowd. She just, baby, I was in the, I was in the boondocks of course, of course, of course I was there. You did one, actually. One. Oh my God. We get one was, I mean, we have contracts. We have contracts, he's one. How was that? I wasn't doing it, it was working with them. It was so beautiful. Like, they were the sweetest and we, like this arrangement and everything, like, they're, they're, they're mean. Literally we got off stage and they were like, crying with us. Like, yeah, I remember I couldn't find my mom. So I remember all the kids. That's so cute. On a stage, they were just so, it was like, yeah. I mean, I feel like you guys see each other in a certain way of like they are, they have crazy lore also as artists, you know, of like the songwriters and being in this industry for a long time. And then randomly there, these girls that are put together and it like happened for them so quickly. Yeah. So I feel like that's also like a beautiful part of the narrative of like that performance. Of like, in some ways, you shared a path, you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Um, how was it, how was like preparing? How long did it take? Actually, we didn't have that much time to prepare for Coachella. We kind of chaos like a week and a half or two weeks. It's just because we just came back from our Lollapalooza Latin America tour. So then we had like literally a week and a half or like two weeks to prepare for Coachella, which is actually like not, like, not like I said a lot. I feel like we usually have so much rehearsal, but for Coachella, like, we didn't have that much. But I feel like it kind of made us not psych out as much. I feel like because we didn't have so much to think about, we were just like, let's just go out there and like, let's just feel like that. I feel like I had so much to think about. Because I feel like when you over prepare for something, then I feel like that I'm in my head too much about like all the details and smaller things. Yeah, sure, but I feel like we, I feel like we were, we got to the mark where we were fully prepared, but we were a little bit, like two days before like under-repair. Yeah, I do that for a little bit. There was like a couple, a couple like new choreo, like new arrangements, obviously like with the girls. We had to, for golden, like we had to like learn these new harmonies last minute. We had like one rehearsal, one rehearsal before we went on stage. I can't believe you're just like, yeah, we only had a week and you just served. Oh, you know what I mean? Yeah, you just ate down, you know what I mean? I'm actually mean though, 'cause I love that. Like I like, like I need to know what I'm doing and then just like doing it, like not, yeah, too much, 'cause then it just feels like not authentic. Like I like to know the bare bones in the structure. And then when I'm on stage, like it's just what comes out. Like what happens happens and like that makes me feel free. Yeah, 'cause also if you like drill it too much, then like you lose the spark. Like you, like in the, it's like the hundreds time doing it when you get on that stage. Like, but when you're like, when I feel like when you're like, don't prepare as much, it's just like, I'm gonna just do what I'm doing. It's more fun. It's more fun. Coachella was like, we were hungry. Yeah, you were hungry, you were excited. Yeah, you were, yeah. And you know you're gonna have blind one day. Oh my god. Yeah, of course. Manifesto. Oh my god. Like I feel it, I'll be in the crowd. I'll be in the crowd. Oh, I'm thinking. We did headline Coachella. Yeah, we're manifesting. You did. We did it Coachella. Coachella. We had that Coachella, it was so amazing. It was awesome. What did you think of the headline? I loved that set and it was positive. It was so great. It was groundbreaking. It was really great. I was also like your while with Luzza performance. Really? Which is Chicago. It was just Chicago. At daytime, yeah. Oh my god. I was so excited. In the trenches of time, I came up. Oh, okay. Did you remember? You were like, you were like, you were there. For every single core memory milestone of our life, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And you're a good left-charm. Real one. You are. You're going to put, you're going to trap me in the back of the tour bus. You know? Yes. I think you're welcome. To tour? I'm going to pull you out. Will you help me? Absolutely. I have tickets. Can you help me? Yeah, we have tickets. I love it. I'm here. Bring a friend. Bring two. I love two. Yeah. Every so much fun. Please, just come to my mom. She'll like make you food and make you food. I would love that. You're going to come home one day and I'm eating at the table. Don't end up happy. No, that's exactly the scenario. And I love it. That's what I'm getting adopted. Please. Every group of girls needs its game. I love it. Yeah. I'm happy to shoulder that burden. Yeah. We love that. Very true. Also, at Coachella, you played Pinkies Up for the first time, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. How were you excited to debut that song? Really excited. I love that song, personally. Yeah? Yeah. It's very like upbeat, very exciting. So it gets the crowd like jump in and scream in and we like that energy. It motivates us to also like just like do our best on stage and give just like put it all out there. Yeah. It's got that beat you want to like-- Yeah. I like seeing a sea of these things. Yeah. I love that. And they all like sending energy to you. Yeah. And they're like rising at once. It's so cute. And it's so cute. Because when people like sometimes when fans see us, they'll just be like, well, they don't even do that. They'll be like, it used to be like that. It used to be like that. I thought about when you guys came in. They used to dance. They used to dance. They used to dance. Like this? They used to dance. They used to dance. They used to dance. Yeah. They used to dance. They used to dance. Yeah. And there is this like piece that the fan gets to embody. Right. Like Gabriella has like this. That's a point. Gabriella has like this. Yeah. And it's a piece of the choreo that's like, we can't dance like you, but I wish I could, but I can't. But I can do this. That's really beautiful, I think. And these are sort of like young girls and stuff too. Like they just can't. Yeah. Right. So like I think that's a beautiful thing. Like it's like fostering community. Yeah. - Shout out to Sohan Grant. - Yes, that's right. - We want everybody to dance and join in with us. Absolutely. - Dance. - I mean, you guys, you've got a lot to dance, Jill. - Yeah, lots of dance. - Lots of dance, Jill. - Everybody dance, everybody dance. - Everybody dance. - Everybody, everybody dance. - Everybody dance. - Jumping. - Jumping. - I mean, speaking of things to dance, Jill, let's talk about the new EP. - Yeah, everybody dance, Jill. - Everybody dance, Jill. - You've listened. - I listened to it all. What do you want to know? - What do you want to know? - Yeah. - Maybe everything. We're going to talk about all the songs in here. - Okay, what's your favorite? What do you want to hear at a party? - This is a tough, I can't. It's like asking me to pick a favorite child. - Okay. - I love, I love you. Because it's, I wanted you to do a ballad for so long. - Yeah. - And it's like, we all knew it was going to happen at some point. - Yeah. - And this is like, the true, like, ooh, and y'all can see. - It's like, sad, right? - Yeah. - That's beautiful. And it's like reflective of like our life. - Yeah, and Laura, you wrote and produced, I love you. - Yes. - Tell me about that, dude. - I was, okay, I have been wanting, it's been one of my biggest goals to get my little cats, I cut, for a little more effort, 'cause I, my passion, passion, is making music and creating it. So I think it's just something I've been dreaming of for a long time, but it was never quite the right moment. The song never quite fit what, where we are as a group. And I think I love you was the first time that it clicked. And the timing was right. We were all ready to like, really sing our songs off. And like, heartbreak, talk about that, talk about like a real life thing that girls go through. I think like, especially our music in the first era, was, it all kind of had this theme of like longing for love. - Yeah. - But I think we, at least some of us have like, we've been through it and had our hearts, like, ripped, like, dragged through the mud. Like, it happens. And I'm always like, I really wanna sing about that. Like, I want to tell that story, 'cause everybody goes through it at some point, and it's awful, but we all come out of it in a different way. So, I also reference, never be the same, by Camila. I think it's just like the fuck that song. I loved that song. I referenced mis-moving on Fifth Harmony. - Wow. - Yeah, like, I used to love, and I always will, love Fifth Harmony. - Yeah. - And I think that their ballads were just growing up, like, insane, like, they shaped my life. Like, I wanted to write a song for us that girls and people would hear and feel like, they grew up with that song, if that makes sense. Like, mis-moving on will always be a song that reminds me of my childhood and my growth, and it's like an integral part of my taste. - Yeah. - And like, who I am if that makes sense. - Yeah, but you realize that the way you feel about them is the way that millions of people feel about all of you. - That's crazy. I think it's a big goal of ours to come out with music that people can run to based on what they're experiencing. - Yeah. - And like, when you experience that heartbreak, when you're going through that, like, running to a song, like, I love you. I love you. - Yeah. - I love you. - See that? That's where the heartbreak is. They're trying to love it. That's what it is. But like, I feel like that's something that's so beautiful. Like, with Laura said, it becomes a time in your life. It becomes a theme song of, like, a chapter in your life. And I think that's so beautiful. And then when you, I remember Danny and I were at, we were at Jingle Ball. And we were watching, like, Nile perform a song. And Danny sort of cried. - I was sobbing. - What is he saying? - What was he saying? He was saying, um, this tone. - Yes, he did. - And then, like, Danny, you started crying. And I remember, I was like, wow. Like, songs really take you back to, like, a moment. - Yeah. - It's a time council of your writing. - I want this to be that song. And I also want, I wanted this song to, like, feed the icons. Like, what, at least some of what they've been asking for. - Right. - Which is our singing and, like, a really, like, a more real version of us. And I also feel like every girl has, like, a little moment to show what they can do. And, like, everybody here can sing. Like, you know what I mean? - For sure. - I'm not a cat's eye. - We're not missing any vocals in this group. So, yeah, I'm just so excited about it. - I am so excited for you. For you, other for it, like, is writing or producing something you ever want to do? - I love writing and producing. - Yeah. - Yeah, I like, it's, yeah. Yeah. (laughing) Yeah, I feel like, like, even me and Laura have had, like, sessions together. - Yeah. - It's like, I just love doing it for fun and even just, like, hopefully one day being able to, like, put it into cat's eye and, or somewhere else, it'd be so much fun. - Yeah, that's awesome. It will happen for sure. - For sure. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And it's, like, special. Again, it's this piece of you forever and ever. In general, about the EP. Like, what about this EP are you most proud of? - Personally, I'm very proud of the growth. And that's a thing when you asked earlier about an artistry and what the difference is, it's the risk. And I feel like more and more were taking risks in terms of how we function every day. What we take initiative to do, just as artists, like, our choices, saying what we're starting to say a lot more and allowing people to take into account what we say, like, take it seriously. - Yeah. - With this EP, every single time we release something, it's just a step closer to what we wanna achieve as artists and as we go down the line, we do learn a lot more and that's why we feel like as we go down, we're more equipped to sort of do things. And that's why with this EP, like, having a song that Laura got to write and produce on. And for example, one of our favorite songs is That Way. And I feel like that song for us is just so, like, it's so fun. And we got to sort of sing in a sense a lot more where it's more based on our feeling. And then we got to, like, add live on it a lot and just, like, really vibe with it. You know, it was a lot of that kind of energy and I feel like we haven't fully gone into, like, fall into that fully with our music. And it's really nice to, like, have that opportunity. And it's also us still showing a lot of our versatility through the music. Like, every time we've come out with an EP, we want to give different flavors, you know, different colors in our music. - It's like hoody fruity, but then unleavened. - But then you'll hear "I love you" and it's like, you can't believe they're in the same EP. - Yeah. It's like, there's not only diversity in cat's eye, but also in our music. Like, that's like what we want. - It's like, there's a little something for everyone. - Yeah, even with this EP, like, we're like, wow, we still, there are a lot of things that we still haven't done. And we're like, okay, nice. - Nice, we so excited. - It makes me, it makes us so excited. 'Cause it's like, we realize, like, all of us have such a different music taste. All of us, like, like, you were talking about writing, producing, like, all of us are constantly, like, having our own things. And it's so drastically different from one another. And so just the idea of that, knowing that we're gonna constantly keep creating so many things. And, you know, like, almost like, build a genre for ourselves. Like, like, build our sound. But we want it to be, like, so broad. - Yeah. - But at the same time, unique to us. - Yeah. And I feel like we're also, like, constantly coming up with ideas. I feel like, once we put out something, we're like, okay, I'm so excited to even do the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. - Yes. - Like, we love what we do so much. Like, we genuinely love it. - That's so cool. - I feel like you feel that. Like, there's certain to be these, like, little pockets of sound. Like, the internet growl. And, like, even like, hoody fruity is, like, a little-- - In the heart. - It's very Brazilian. - It's very Latin. - But it's, like, gotta live that, like, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - And, like, that, like, you want to dance. And, like, yeah. - I feel like we are longing for that true duality. Like, and we've shown that. But I think, even in our next projects, it's like, oh my god, let's really fall into that and make that a thing. Like, we have the beauty, and we have the chaos. - Yeah, beautiful chaos, baby. - Beautiful. Like, that's, like, truly, truly all the way beautiful. And, like, feels real, and feels-- makes me want to cry, and, like, has emotion in our voice, and then we have to, like, country dance shit. 'Cause we are at that. We are both. - Yeah. - And, like, can't wait to emphasize that even more. But this EP is such a big step. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, beautiful step. - So, Vio, you talked about risk. What do you feel like was the biggest risk you took on this project? - I feel like the biggest risk we took on this project is, I was really thinking about Megan's answer earlier about how we used to just, I feel like we overrehearse a lot in our early days. And, a lot of it is the training. Like, one of our biggest skills, and I think one of the biggest things we got from the K-POP methodology is the synchronization, the cleanliness. And, literally, if you, like, blur your eyes a little bit, it's so incredibly synchronized. And, I feel like that is a skill that takes so long to develop. And, that's why we spent so much time in training. And, that is one of our strengths. But, I feel like a big risk that we're taking is looking at how our schedule is so much busier now that we have those short rehearsal. So, we kind of have to make up for a lot of it using our artistry. And, I think the risk and the big step that we're taking is as we're discovering more about ourselves, we're able to bring that out more. But, at the same time, our training is still very apparent where you could see the synchronization and the skill set there. But, on top of it, we're starting to add our own jiu jitsu thing. Because we're starting to add our own sauce and it's like our personal dance styles are starting to come out a lot more You know, and I feel like on top of the training that's something that's Allowing us to sort of shine even more in our performances and feel more raw. You know, that's like the wild Gaeticness that we're kind of talking about that we're starting to bring out. It's like more of us like who we are Yeah, you know, that's something that art a lot of artists Know from the beginning or like it develops and all that stuff and we're very lucky because sorely on we're like really Having into that, you know, applying that. Yeah, and I think exactly to what you said to it's like Inline with the theme of the group, right? It is a global girl group of five different people from five different cultures and like backgrounds and things and like to be like we're we're only gonna have one sound Would not be reflective of what these cats are. Absolutely, and I think that that is like a cool thing like you feel it You know, I mean as it as it goes on even songs like like Bellaire is a lot more like my way kind of type Yeah, like driving with the windows down of C.H. Like you're with your girls. You know what I mean like it's it's it's very wholesome and uplifting and like I as you guys continue to go on I like see those sort of dots you're connecting I think with each project which is really really cool and and fun to see I'm animal Oh, uh, I love animal. Yeah, it's cute It's so fun to me when I heard it it reminded me of like foster the If you feel it still feel it no feel it. Who's feel it still? That's foster the people. No foster the people is pumped up Oh, we know yeah, feel it still is Portugal the man. Portugal the man. You're right. She got there. She got But it's like the same like the same little vibe like that's what it reminded me of it felt like It felt like A bit more like indie, but then also like so commercial. Yeah, but I I Want animal to be our espresso By the time this comes out it already is I could hear it be like playing on the like I want to come into the Uber and the radio's on and they play it and it's there In radio and I asked it to change the station, but it just keeps playing Shopping and I hear animal but everywhere and I hear I What really gave me the Britney Spears of it all was the strings. It's like, yeah Which is very like listen to toxic and animal back-to-back after this Yeah, like the the breaks of strength and all the strings is like a kind of a new thing to your sounds Yeah, we've never done a string. I love it. And I love it. I love it. It's so feels the the sound of us like a hook of a song Just being like raw strings. It's so like just cool Never done that like groove of song. Yeah, it's like a different groove that we're bringing in different Yeah, and even the dancing it's very very different Like the little paws. I love that and there's a little bit of like jazz And then I start belting and I'm like whipping my head There's a triple pirouette from Danny Like the Megan and Dan you're like we're like like do it right here right now We'll leave it up to y'all and what something I thought that was so cool about this song was that One of the writers when it was Ed Sheeran. Yeah, who also wrote for one direction. Yeah Yeah, but it feels so yours Yeah, sure though the spirit of Ed is fully but I think it's on and animal and that's wonderful like that's epic I think that's a bit of what you're talking about the sort of like when you're like the father of the poor poor poor man type but but I I think it feels so you Yeah, for sure like when I first heard it I actually didn't even think that at all really but you thought Britney. I thought Britney Wait, that makes me feel so happy. I'm telling you From all the people who've said that your um the first person that has like Said that everyone who listens to it is always like oh my god Ed the spirit of Ed is a lie The ghost of Ed is a lie gosh Wait listen to it this is on when you drive home from here. Okay. I shout. Yeah wait you guys We have a song with the spirit of Ed and Britney like that's crazy Like I can do that and for no one Yeah, it's so epic. I'm I'm excited. I also feel like the visuals are gonna eat but oh yeah To be in the same element as like the biggest boy band of our generation So sick Ever that people compare us to like one direction like you guys like there's no way because I'm like a directioner Okay, okay, and then it's like whatever we were in we were in I forgot we were in Australia and they were saying like oh We haven't seen something like this Ever since like one direction only days and I was like why are you lying? Yeah, stop it. That's so weird what we hear some direction is different Like yeah, that's boy. No, no, it's another level like one direction and spice girls. Yeah, always be so iconic Like they're just like two iconic. Yeah, they're up there But you are comparing Yourself on three EPs to like a decade of You understand like where you understand where you are at and you are timeline versus where they were at in their timeline is bigger What That's I think you you are underselling yourself. That's what I'm trying to say the directioners are gonna be That is very sweet if you'd say so thank you. Yeah, I don't believe you Never have to believe me Beautiful to never believe me. No, but we're stay humble all of people who are like that I feel like when we are events like the AMAs and we were at the Grammys and everything and These people that we grew up listening to or we looked up to they would come up to us and be like you guys Have worked so hard and like you guys are here and you deserve it I'm like, what do you mean we deserve to be at the Grammys? Like you do like you're here Like why am I in the same room as you like we're cause because you work hard for it and you're We can't grab another thing. I think especially at the Grammys we would constantly remind each other like okay guys We belong here like we are not out of place here because I think there were many moments where We either internally felt or either we were like a little bit made to feel Like it was like we weren't we didn't belong there But I think we just kept grounding ourselves and being like We're so grateful for this, but we're also like we're not like a fish out of water like we're meant to be here That is your pond. Yeah, that is our pond We've worked really hard and like we've we have made a beautiful impact and that deserves to be in this Special place that's being celebrated and it's and yeah A groups of hundreds of people who have been in this industry for decades You like collectively agreed and decided that too. Yeah, like it's not just Whoa Yeah, like That's what I'm saying like I think you know You want to understand yourself and underestimating what you're capable of And that is like what I'm trying to tell you of like you have like really impacted people And you're doing something that no one else is or can do And that's like what artistry is You know like that that's what counts. That's why cats. I is significant Thank you. I think they're crying It's like a battle in our heads because I I love to like be confident and like be like that and be like hell yeah like this is what this is and We deserve this, but then also I like that our feet are on the ground. Yeah, and like we still See ourselves is like very regular people you are We are very very people the core of this is like we just love singing dance and we love music and we love each other and like That is like it's just always good to remind yourself like where Where it started like the girl before like all of The dreamer before the artist for the artist all before all of this craziness, but it is good for us to recognize Yeah, um every now and then we'll be like oh my god. Yeah I think I think we could be better at that. Yeah, um and like hyping ourselves up a little bit about that. Yeah Do you guys ever look at each other and you're like you're just so hot? Yeah, I do that all the time. Yeah, fucking time Like you're so fierce Well, literally earlier Megan was like touching Laura and be like I just want to keep looking at you Like no way. I was like you look like a goddess like you look like a goddess you guys are You know what happened. I forget. I'll tell you guys I remember when we were learning the Northern dance break for example and then Megan was was learning her part, like the one when you're like, and like her like dynamics. And I remember I was watching Megan. I was like, I forgot you could move like that. - Period. - I was like, wait, you're a dancer. And like sometimes like Lara, I would be right after her in the recording studio and then I'm like watching her and she's like doing all the rods and I was like, no. I was like, you're so talented. - Yeah, I forget. - Like I forget all the time. I was just watching one of like the TikToks we came out with and I was like, okay, you and Chad and I was like, damn, she's like dancing. (laughing) I'm like, I forgot that you have that. - Yeah. - You too, girl. - You can dance off. - And you can dance with fucking ass off. - And sing your ass off. - Right? Like when I see Danny's like childhood videos, I'm like, whoa. - Yeah. - Like it always happens. - Yeah, it's weird. - So you guys have crazy lore. - We have crazy internet lore. - Yeah, so I'm making a reason she was like, Lizzie and Leia Mowana be like. - Wait, I saw someone, I saw a real of someone being like. - When you're watching Disney Channel, any fine Megan's Gendelle from "Cat's Eye." - And she's like, what are you doing? - What are you doing? - And she was like, I'm getting some like, so fucking snap down. - And she was like, can't wait to many goals. - Woo! - I can't escape it. I was a working child. I had a bunch back then. - I was, back then. - I wasn't coloring me mine and then they gave me an ass. - And I was like, Megan? - I was. (laughing) - I'm like, I can't escape my childhood. And also when they put that on my IMDB after I did that commercial, they put my name wrong. Like they called me Morgan Skendelle. - So I'm Megan Skendelle. - So I'm like. - No, I'm gonna give you the right. - You're right, I'm gonna give you the right name. - So fucking annoying is for, especially the three of us, I mean we've all been doing this since we were babies. - Yeah. - But especially the three of us, we were like industry kids. And so our ugly photos from like random shows, we did it like as well. - Oh my god, or Wikipedia page. - No like it's literally like the first picture that pops up when you search up like Daniela Evansini. - She's like, it's a photo of me when I take a picture. - Look at the camera and talk to Wikipedia. - Danger! - Please change it. - Also Wikipedia, but I just looked at my bio a couple days ago, so much wrong in for me. - Yeah, they said my birthday is like June 1st. I'm like girl. - Where did you get this information? - That's scary. - It's part of it. Weirdness, but I think it's also Wikipedia, you can like edit it. Like anyone can edit it. - Anyone can edit it. - Paris? - Wait, what? - Yes. - Yes. - But there's like people who check it, but it's like if you caught it before somebody like puts it, then it's just wrong. - Wait, what do you mean anyone can, like anyone who can go on right now? - You know what, go on and go in and change your picture. - No! - You can't change your picture. - That's just something like, you can't change your picture, but you can change your bio. Like anyone can just go on your bio and change it. - Yeah. - Like, so they can figure out. - You can edit right here. - Like a shared Google Doc little key. - Wait, that's scary. - That's scary. - I don't like that concept. - Yeah, that's why your teachers would always like, don't use Wikipedia. - Right, 'cause it's not, it's not, yeah, it's not. - Yeah, because it's like. - You have to go through the sources of Wikipedia. - Wait, now I'm scared. - Oh my god. - You learn something new. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Maybe we should stop talking about it. - Yeah, I know. - But Daniella, one of my favorite pieces of your lore is you on Salvador Gigante. - What the hell? How do you know that? - What's that? - Actually, they don't even know what that is. - They don't know what that is? - No, Salvador Gigante. It's like, it's like, oh my god. Latin TV show on, oh my god, Univision. Univision is what it's called. It's like this show. I used to watch it's like grandma. And it's like a Spanish program. And I went on it, I think through two or three times. I was like seven. - It's so cute. - I was with Yasha. - Yasha, Yasha! - Yasha, Yasha! - Yasha, Yasha, Yasha! - We still have a minute. - We want to meet this guy. - Yeah, we want to meet him. - The icon. - Yeah, the icon needs a hand. - Yeah, so I did one with him and then I did one without. And I remember we won the whole thing. - Period. - It's always been a star. - First place. - Salvador Gigante. - Like was that? - Salvador, I guess. Salvador Gigante. It's just like big Saturday, you're Saturday. - Salvador is Saturday, so. - What has he got today? - Giant. - Giant Saturday. - Giant Saturday. - I guess it would come out, I'm not really sure. - Every Saturday, every Saturday. - You did your research. - Oh baby, I'm not sure. - That's crazy, I didn't know that. - Yeah, that's like one of the first things that I did like on TV as a kid. That's when it started. - Yeah. - And you're so good on it, it's crazy. You're like fosh and I'm like. - Literally. - She's like in the end like this. - She's the prodigy. - Yeah, I was also on Queen Latifa on most talented kids in America. - So good. - They're deep cut. - They're deep cut. - No, yeah, that. My, my, my, Mary's got talent. - And that's the reason you can ask. - With Queen Latifa, right? - I just did. - She's a queen. - Yeah. - Yeah, great, great. - She's a queen. - That's so crazy. - Yeah, it's pretty crazy. - Speaking of reuniting, Laura helped Michelle Obama these days. (laughing) - We have you seen her recently? - No, I haven't seen her recently. - Yeah, I love her. - I love her. - She definitely remembers. - Michelle Obama forever. I love her. She is the queen of the fucking century. - Period. - She is. - Period. - Just have to put that out there. But second, when we filmed that, I remember I was like 12 and she was like, "Hey, if you ever need me, just text me, okay?" And I was like, it says like, "How am I going to text you?" - She was like, "If you ever have me." - Hey Madam, hey, hey Madam President. - You're a number? - No, I remember, of course not. Oh, she didn't give me her number. And she was like, "If you ever have a show, like if you're ever doing something like just. - Oh, she told you this. - Oh, Michelle, you're lying. Like, how am I going to call Michelle? - Michelle. - We love Michelle. We love you. - We love you. - We love you. - Yeah, please, can you please come on tour? Like, do we have to be a girl? - We have to be a girl. - She can learn the choreo. - Yes, she can't. - No, I'm forever in Charleston. Like, she, she was also the sweetest. She was like, she was like more beautiful. You know how she has such a beautiful aura? - Yeah. - She was like brilliant. - Yeah, she's brilliant and like so epic. She was even more that in person. Like, she just like, radiated beauty. - That's, that's so brilliant. - I want to meet her. - Yeah. - I mean, Michelle Obama has a podcast. - Wait, can we go on a show? - She goes. - What's going on here? - I think we have to be a girl. - We're playing it to the universe now. Like, it's out there. It's out there. I do feel like the tone of it is more political. - Right. - I think you know, we can have a fun episode every once in a while. - We'll bring our guys. So you can come. - You can come. - Let's go. - Mara, don't play with me, girl. Don't play with me. This is my audition for the group. Every group of girls means it's a token game. You don't even need to audition. - You're in. - You're in. - Thank you. I can't sing. I can't dance. - It's okay. We'll make it work. - Yeah. - But I'm a great personality. - It's all you do. - It's what about your sake. You can just like jump in. - Yeah. - Me with the wig. - I know. - They would never know too. - They would never know. - I'm passing as five different races and cultures. - Yes. - Exactly. - We'll just do that. - I'm going to have the full face beat. - My crown queen. Nicky. - Baby. - Baby. - Baby eyeliner. - That's right. - That's right. - That's right. - I'll put my Jade bracelet on you. - Yeah. - Yeah. Yeah. The clothes might be a little small though. We can figure that out. - We can figure that out. Thank you. - You're so good. - I'm so hungry right now. - I'm so hungry. - We should do like a Thanksgiving and like every single platter for every like a friend's giving but like instead of like. - Okay. - And mac and potatoes. - You guys should cook it all for each other. - Wait, where are we going to be on Thanksgiving? - On tour. - Of course. - We'll do it on the bus. - Yeah, we'll do it on the bus. Or like no, we should make it a thing to have a nice little meal with each other. - It's the last lumpia. - Really? - Every time I have lumpia, she might eat it lumpia. - I love lumpia. - We have lumpia again. - I know lumpia is like egg roll. - Like lumpia. - Oh yes. - lumpia. - You and Shay, I have a question about Korean food. - Yeah. - I've heard this take from Koreans and I want to know from the source material. Some of them have said that they think the food in K-town is better than Korea. - Is that true? - Oh. - I don't think so. - That makes me feel like. - I'm like there's no way. - No, no. K-town in LA has really, really good food and there's a one restaurant that-- - You and Shay, we love it. - I realize she knows too much. - We've really found out yesterday, the day before. - You gotta g-g-g-g keep it. they're like in person. No, I've never. Wait, I shut out. You shut out. I'm in love. You're coming. You're coming. Don't play with me. Don't play with me. This is not the not follow-through all cry. Oh my god. What does it feel like a piece of home when you like as cuisine away, you can feel connected to your culture back home? Yes, of course. Like in LA, I'm so glad that they have a good Korean food in LA. Yeah. So I can connect to my culture here, but I feel like I eat Korean food like almost every day. Yeah. I would too. It's really good. It's really good. You know, it's also really beautiful. I think we learned that our cultures are actually all quite similar to each other. It's like you see like the differences, but also like the similarities and the spices that we use. Like me and Danny talk so much about how Latin and Indian culture are have so much similarities and like we're all allowed rich in culture, but then also there's like polarizing differences. And like Megan has Singaporean culture and like Singaporean, it's like Southeast Asian. Yeah, Southeast Asian. To India and Philippines, Korean like it's just we're all so much more connected than we think. But then we also see so much beauty like in our differences. Yeah. But we're like we're insane. We're all one in this. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. At least we all know to have our shoes off in the house. Yes. Yeah. Danny knows. Now we know. I didn't grow up like that. So you can't blame me either. Yeah, I didn't grow up with that culture, but I've learned. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. But no, no. Yeah. No, it's speaking of culture, Laura. You've been like very forward about the way you represent Indian culture. You wear the bendy, the om necklace, you and Rhea did matching Hanna, the Grammys. Like can you tell me a bit about the sort of like pride and importance you feel to like do that in such a public manner? Yeah. Oh my god. It's my biggest purpose in life. Like seriously, I think that that's why I was put on this earth. Like I really feel that because I I have said this many a time, but I grew up like desperate desperate desperate desperate for that pop star. Yeah. And like for that girl that made me feel like my culture was my power. If that makes sense, I just grew up always feeling because I'm Indian, but I grew up in America. It's just it's a completely different experience. Like I can recognize I will never truly, truly fully be able to represent the experience of like an Indian who grew up in India. But my culture is still my culture. Yeah. I've grown up like so deeply heavily with it. And it's like shaped me as a person. It's my identity. And like I grew up with so much complexity around it because it felt like for what I wanted to do, I always wanted to be like the biggest pop star on the planet. It felt like for what I wanted, my culture would be a hindrance to that. And like I would have to mute it in ways to be seen as what a typical pop star is. Yeah. But I think as I grew up and just as I like came to my senses and also stopped listening to bullies and just like other people's opinions, I realized it is literally my superpower. Like my culture and the beauty of it and the richness of it is like something that people have stolen from us like in Western music. Like people have taken from Indian culture so much and not given the credit where it's due. Yeah. And also like the Indian scale, the music, the food, the jewelry, the grandeur of like Bollywood, our outfits. And like every little detail of Indian culture has been like extorted and like used in Western media. And I was like someone Indian should be like representing that and using that. And like because it's mine. It's like something that I want. I also want like brown girls that were like me to see that and be like I want to wear a bandit too. Like I want to go out to prom and wear my linger or wear a sorry to prom. Like because that's hot and that's beautiful. It's so beautiful. That is fierce. Like it's not like a I just think that there's so much stigma also around Indian people and like we've always been taught to like be in a box. I guess and like we're so uncool. And all of that like there's just so much stigma around that. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Could not be further from the truth. So like I think it's just my purpose in life to like use that and put us on the map across the world. And like use it as a beautiful part of music like in the right way. In a tasteful way that like celebrates my people and lifts them up. Like there is nothing I'm more passionate about. Yeah. That's why I'm here. And you are you're achieving that. Thank you. Like it's so beautiful. To see. Thank you so much. And this is so funny. My psychiatrist. My psychiatrist. The woman who's like prescribing me in my case and like hearing about my trauma is obsessed with cat's eye. And one time told me this out the cut. Like she doesn't even know what I do for work. Like I haven't really told it. So it's like and then she's Indian. So she's talking about how much she like it like loves that like you were Indian. And I was like oh she's going to have no idea. That's so sad. So you know what I mean? And like that was just a random like it just coach just brought up randomly. Because I was wearing this hoodie on one of our calls one day. And that's how it like that's yours. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I thought I pulled the card team to you. No. What the heck? We need to get you some like merch. Yeah. I love it. I was like I wasn't kidding. When I played it and I said that like this is like a moment like you like this is like a really special moment for me. And this is special to us. No, this is genuine. Because we mean that like we actually watch your videos. Stop it. We love it. Well that it makes me happy to like see you guys like reward fandom. You know, like there's a million other things you could have done. But press outlets are people that are bigger than me. But no, it means a lot that you're like I like that you actually care. Of course. Oh my god. So sweet. You know, it's like people again. It's like people like you who really like keep us going. Yeah. You are like a light to us. I love all your takes. Even even like in all music, like even when they're like real, you know, because I love that you're not always like this is fucking amazing. Like you're real about your opinions on music. And like I respect that. And I love that. And I like like we all value your opinion like seriously. Yeah. You know, because I think you feel very credible. It's taking me. It has taken me years. Yeah, I can imagine. Like years and years and years and years. How did that start? Like you just loved listening to music. I just love music. I used to like I moved here right out for college. I graduated in the pandemic. And I like always wanted to be an entertainment. Yeah. But I was working at like media companies like I worked at like Buzzfeed or to complex like like Lord, there's no but you want to see me in any video. Yeah. And then I got to a point where I I knew I was going to quit my job that year. I was just like not. And I was like, well, I'm not going to get a new job. I was like, let me just try this for six months. You know, it's just June. I was like, by the end of the year, if it hasn't worked, like we'll do something else, you know, or like get a job somewhere. And I never look back. I'm sitting like like some of my favorite artists. Yeah. Also, I like you make artists feel really comfortable like watching your show and like special. But it's like again, you're not like glazing people like you're like real. Yeah. And like that's really awesome. Yeah, you have a very genuine and a genuine and a great time. I have a great time too. Can we have a group of people now? I love you, Seth. We said stop this from me. Thank you.