The Undertaker Goes One-On-One With Tom Segura! | 2 Bears, 1 Cave
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The host reflects on his personal journey and career parallels with The Undertaker, emphasizing shared experiences of physical rigor, travel, and mental endurance between stand-up comedy and professional wrestling. He highlights how The Undertaker’s persona evolved from a simple, gritty image to a globally recognized icon through consistent dedication and adaptation. Key moments like WrestleMania 25 versus Sean Michaels are cited as triumphant examples of storytelling and emotional impact in wrestling. The conversation also underscores the dramatic evolution of safety standards and medical care in the sport, transitioning from a high-risk, low-care environment to a professional, athlete-first model. The host stresses that live events provide a uniquely powerful experience—more visceral and emotionally charged than televised matches—due to crowd energy and physical intensity. He also notes that both wrestling and comedy require a deep personal commitment to authenticity, with The Undertaker maintaining his image through lifestyle and consistent presence. Ultimately, the discussion celebrates the craft of storytelling in sports and performance, where longevity comes not from perfection, but from genuine connection and evolution over time.
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Bam.
Damn.
Damn, you're pretty good at this, bro.
I mean, you know, done a few thousand of them.
A few thousand of them?
Yeah.
That's pretty cool that Allegiant Stadium is going to. It's so wild having watched the evolution of WrestleMania, and I was watching that one
of the docs about the first time that I think Vince was like, I think we can do a stadium,
and people were like, a stadium? What are you, crazy?
And then I think it was in New York, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a giant stadium or something?
So the first stadium show, I believe, was the old, the one in Detroit, not the one with
the Sky Dome?
Sky, yeah.
No, no, no, that's Toronto, isn't it? Sky Dome?
Yeah, I think you're right. But is it where the Lions used to play then?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They've got a new stadium now, but this is kind of wrestling
history. I should know this, but yeah, it was, what, 80, 90,000? It was ridiculous.
Yeah.
And they filled that thing up.
And that must have been eye-opening to everybody, like, oh, shit, this is, we can actually do
this?
Yeah. And they did that one, and then we still went back and did a few arena shows. My first
mania was at the old sports arena in LA.
It was like down the Forum, like down there?
Yeah, not the Forum, the sports arena. I think that's where the Clippers originally played.
Okay.
And, you know, yeah, we weren't even. Yeah, we couldn't even handle the Forum at that point.
Well, you're part of the group of people that helped, obviously, transcend, like, the lines
of popularity and the reach of this sport. I mean, you started when it was still. Yeah, I mean, it was, we had already had a really, really good run. Like, that Hulk Hogan
run at the end, at the late 80s, was just. That's what took it, I think, to. New heights, for sure.
Yeah, to new heights, where it just wasn't that old carnival atmosphere.
But your early days were some of, like, smaller, like, venues.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, because one of the things, like, when we met, for people, I've said this before,
but for people that don't know, the way we met, it always makes me laugh, because I was
having a home gym put together, and I was ordering equipment, and I was talking to the
this guy, who was doing it for me, and I said, oh, I want a piece of equipment that
another company makes. And he was like, well, that's fine. But he goes, you know, we make
something similar.
Right.
And I said, well, you know, I'd like to say yes, but in order for me to feel comfortable,
I'd really like to try it before that.
Which is smart, with gym equipment.
With gym equipment.
Yeah, yeah.
And he goes, well, I have a client in the area, and you can. He would let you try
it. And I go, okay. And then he just sends me a group text, hey, Mark, this is Tom.
He'd like to try it. And you're like, sure. And then he sends me a text separate. He goes,
Mark is the undertaker. I go, you want to fucking lead with that, dude? Then I'm texting
the undertaker? And he was like, sorry. So I think that was Dustin, maybe?
Yeah, Dustin Riddle, I believe. Yeah, yeah.
Great guy. And by the way, you know, they do great work.
They do really do.
So I went over to your house, well, your under-construction house.
But your gym was done.
The gym was, yes.
Gym was the priority. You could tell as an athlete. Gym is first.
Which is incredible. And we tried the equipment. It was great. But when we were talking, one of the
things that stood out to me was there's so many similarities about the grind of the early days
for a wrestler and a comedian. Because we were talking about doing doubles and how you hit an
age, basically, where you're like, I don't want to do fucking two of these, man. And also the
incessant nonstop traveling. It's just like, minus the physical aspect, obviously, but that lifestyle
feels very, like, parallel, you know?
Yeah, it is really similar. And I didn't, you know, I don't know how y'all feel about it, but I would
come home and, you know, because you think I've been on the road now. I've been on the road for
months. And like, I can't wait to get home. But then you're home for a couple of weeks. And then
you're just like, yeah, I need to go. I need to go again.
I got to go to which, and also to my wife will be like, can't wait for you to get home. And then
on those weeks, she's like, it'd be nice if you had some dates.
Maybe go out on the road.
Yeah, exactly. It was tough. Because you spend all that time with a certain group of people.
Yeah.
And you have a certain way of doing things. It doesn't necessarily
Translate to that.
Correlate to home, right?
Yeah.
It's just a whole different mindset and atmosphere. And at that point, as you're coming up the ladder,
I mean, it's all about that grind and wanting to be better and get better.
And work on the overall product. And it was, yeah, it would drive me nuts when I went home.
Oh, yeah. I mean, it is an adjustment to home life and road life. Yeah. I mean, and the thing is,
people, when they go like, how do you do the road life? You're like, well, I've been doing it so
long that that's normal to me. It's normal.
You don't even want to think about it, right? It's like when you travel, right? You're so set
and you know your rhythm. Like when you bring your family sometimes, it's just like,
what are you doing? No, this is the way we do this, right?
Yeah, this is weird.
And it's a completely, yeah, you have to take yourself out of that.
That mentality. Yeah, for sure. Now, how, what, because I feel like, I mean, this goes for a lot
of career choices, but like the, I'll just say like the audacity to say, I want to be a wrestler.
It's a, you know, it's like a, it's a crazy, obviously lifestyle, but I mean, you're a big guy.
You're an athletic guy. Did you always have your
eye on wrestling? No, it happened. It happened really by chance. I was in, I was in college. I
was playing basketball. Right. And I started to get some inquiries. My coach did. Obviously they
weren't allowed to talk to me, but my coach was like, Hey, you're starting to get a lot of interest
with some European pro teams for tryouts. And I didn't, I mean, I didn't have NBA talent. I was
NBA player. But you loved basketball. At the time. Yes. Basketball. I dedicated like from the time I
started playing at 12 to my junior year in college. I mean, that's everything revolved around
basketball. So, uh, you know, I go to between my junior and senior year of college, like they said,
oh, well, you know, kind of what the feedback was is, you know, they wanted to get me a little,
little thicker, a little stronger for the style that they played over there. So, um, you know,
and everything else. And, uh, I'm really hitting the gym hard, trying to put on another 10 or 15
pounds of muscle and, uh, you know, trying to make myself as, I guess, as appealing to a, you know,
a team as possible. And, uh, so I'm going to this gym every day. And there was another guy that he
actually worked at the gym. He's a couple of years younger than I was. And, uh, we kind of struck up a
friendship and he was like, Hey man, he goes, uh, you know, Yoda, I'm going to go to this wrestling
camp. I'm going to be a professional wrestler. He says, you should go, you should do that with me.
Just like that. Just like that. And I, at first I was like, eh, no, I think I'm going to go try and
play some pro ball overseas. That's kind of, that's kind of where I think I'm going now.
That being said, I was a huge wrestling fan as a kid. You were. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. And as I got
into, you know, I boxed a little bit and got into team sports and everything else. I kind of moved
away from it. So I'm a little, uh, uh,
I'm a little removed from it, but at, you know, he's, he comes in every day, every day I come
into the gym, he goes, come on, man, you ought to do this camp with me. And I'm like, nah, nah, nah.
One thing I've always been is kind of a realist. Like I know what my, I know what my abilities
are, what my abilities aren't. And, and I, and I look at things, you know, in a pretty reasonable
fashion, I think. So I kind of started thinking about it and I'm like, do I really want to go
to Lithuania and be the 12th guy on the bench? And yeah,
or, and now I'm back watching the product again. And the one thing that I noticed is there aren't
a lot of athletic, athletic, big guys. Yeah. Like at that, that, that time period,
now we're talking the late eighties here. Like all the really big guys are big guys that don't
move around a lot. So now I'm kind of, you know, now I'm kind of catching up with the product and
now the thoughts in my head and like, I could be some, I maybe, I, you know, I'm, I'm just kind of
looking at the, the overall thing. And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't
And I'm like, what do I have, two, three years?
If I make a team –
you know, yeah, dude, what do I have really, you know, and, or, you know, is this something that,
that, you know, so I ended up going to the camp, right. As soon as I started, man, I fell in love
with it. Really? Yeah. I mean, just, and I really, I mean, at the beginning I got screwed over by the
guy that we, you know, the guy that he was going to have train, train us, screwed me over, took my
money, left town, but I got enough. I got enough from him that it really sparked something. And
then, you know, now, so now I'm training to wrestle. I'm playing, this is all in the summer.
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college left. Oh shit. Yeah. So I mean, my, it's just like workout, play basketball, train to
wrestle every day. It's just, you know, and I come back. And is your mind starting to go,
like, look more at, right. Like you're thinking about it all day. Yeah. So I went and so I think
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he equated size with being slow and all that. Yeah.
Although I was faster, quicker, jump higher, stronger, much stronger. Yeah. And, uh, you know,
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We're doing this drill where he throws the ball up. Two guys kind of like a tip ball
deal. And then it's a hustle drill, right? You have to tip it and then go get possession
of the ball. Well, all these basketball players are, you know, they're 6'7", 6'8", 6'9",
but they may be 180, 190. I mean, they're just all really thin, lean dudes. And they
were all scared to death of me. I mean, there just wasn't, we're talking, we're talking
87.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's not 200, you know, 6'8", 280 pound dudes now.
Yeah. And they're all terrified of me. And so we're doing this drill and coach throws
this ball up and this guy, instead of even trying, he undercuts me.
Oh, he does?
Yeah. And we both come tumbling down, right? And now I'm already, I'm like already in
wrestling psycho mode, right? So I jump up, I jump up really quick and I step on him.
I step on his chest. And I was like, listen, motherfucker, you ever cut me like that again,
I'll break your, you know, F and neck. Callaway, get out of here. That ain't the way we do it.
You know? And it was at that moment, like, I was like.
I'm a wrestler, dude.
I'm done.
Yeah.
And he's like, you remember, you know, Charlie Brown where the teachers, that's all, like
he's, he's constantly screaming at me and I'm having this moment. And then it's like,
this is it, man.
So I went to each guy. Everybody's lined up in this drill, right? So I go to each guy.
I was like, man, I'm sorry. I hate to do this, but I'm out, you know? And I went to each
guy, apologized to each guy for, you know, bailing on the team, but I knew it was, it
was done. And, uh.
Did you drop out of school right then too?
For whatever reason, I tried to keep going to school for a while. Um, but it was just
like every day it'd just be like, what else can I do to keep going to school? And I'd
do to get better at, at, at this. And, you know, eventually, I eventually just stopped.
I think I needed, I don't know, maybe 15 hours.
Yeah. Yeah.
Of school left.
Where were you in school at the time?
This was, I was in, uh, Fort Worth, Texas Wesleyan University. Yeah. And, uh, yeah.
So then it was just like.
All in.
All, all in. And everybody is like, are you stupid?
Now, did you have, because one of the things about pro wrestlers is like, there's like,
there's, you know, there's the athletic component, like how this person moves and how they're
able to like, put on the show that is the fight. But then there's like the actual, you
know, I'll say like the acting, the personality, the personality and like, you know, you shine
in both, but I feel like you're such a natural performer, like on top of the athletic stuff,
the actual performance of, of the persona was that like, I'm like, like I would be,
I would tell a casting director, like this guy can act, you know, like you can act. Um,
was that like natural to you that, so you worked a lot at that too.
Yeah, I had to, and my character, like not, not initially, like the first few years, not
before I become undertaker. Yeah. Like that was the part that was actually behind is being
able to market myself and make myself interesting. Cause I think initially when you get into
wrestling, everything is focused on the actual wrestling, the physical, the physical side
of it, right. Learning the, you know, learning how to protect yourself and how to, how to
do moves and, and, and to move in the ring. So everything's kind of focused. It's kind
of the athlete's mind. Um, and it takes, that's the hardest part really is making yourself
marketable. I'm sure. And, and trying to, you know, make your, you, it doesn't matter
whether people love you or hate you. It doesn't matter whether people love you or hate you.
Yeah. But they have to do one or the other. They have to, they have to be invested in
one. If they're indifferent towards you, you don't have a, you don't, you're not going
to have a long career. Yeah. Yeah. They either got, they either want to pay money to see
you kick someone's ass or they want to pay money to see you get your ass kicked. And
it's fascinating how sometimes these guys are grinding it out 10 plus years and all
of a sudden a persona that just takes on and people go like, oh shit. Like, and they respond
to it. They connect to it. Yeah. It's crazy.
I mean, we've had guys, yeah, that were kind of just middle of the road for most of their
career and then tap on something late. Cause who is it now that like blew up and a few
ago i don't think anyone well roman yeah roman reigns is probably the biggest faces um you know
in the and it was around for a while yeah he'd been around a while and um you know he he obviously
you you look at him he checks off all the boxes right i mean he looks like a star he's yeah
athletic yeah um but he didn't have a connection initially and they were really trying to really
push him down you know the fans throats and wrestling fans will reject i mean they feel
like you're putting them on yes they will reject it in a heartbeat and then um you know i guess it
was somewhere around covet man he just really hit his stride and really became the face of the
company for uh you know since then and i mean he's he's done really well and now he's starting
to
transition into um you know outside projects and acting and everything else it's pretty cool to see
it happen right yeah see somebody like when i'm going to ask you this when you are like developing
the undertaker persona i i find a lot of times that like ideas like this is an idea that clearly
i'll say you know worked out like this is one of the most successful yeah one of the most successful
personas in the history of the sport but
a lot of times when like you know like i'm writing something something that eventually works out
there's a phase where you have doubt where you're like is this fucking stupid you know like when
you're when kind of you know kicking this idea around with other people at the company is part
of you also like what like an undertaker yeah so so when i came up so basically there was wcw
another company and there was wwe or wwf at the time and i was like oh my god i'm not gonna do this
at the time and at that time like they had all these over just over the top characters right right
i mean it was it was the show was kind of designed for uh a younger audience yeah and everybody was
this just outlandish character and i'm you know i'm a traditionalist right yeah so i always liked
i always liked the product at wcw better it was more traditional serious yeah serious wrestling
and um and i and i got a i got an opportunity there and basically was told uh you're a great
athlete but you're never gonna you're never gonna draw money like wow okay that's uh you know that
that's a that's a that's a big big uh sandwich to have to eat yeah right face to face somebody
just told you that you know yeah you're a great athlete but nobody's ever gonna pay money to watch
you wrestle yeah
so now you know now i have the other product and i i go have a meeting with vince mcmahon and
you know he wasn't that thoroughly impressed either it was i guess it was my personality
like he he looked at the wrestling and he's just a big you know just a big guy yeah you know but
it was my meeting with him um that even got a second look and then i get a call one day and
he's got he came up with the whole character which was based on
the undertaker was based on an old western style undertaker you know the two guys in main street
they go have a gunfight and one loses the guy comes out starts measuring for the pine box
that was the original concept and uh you know i get a phone call one day it's vince yeah and he goes
is uh is this the undertaker my undertaker what the what is what is what is the under you know
yeah and there was a there was a
another kind of uh another thing going on on their show at the time where they had this giant egg
and um i just knew like i knew that was going to be me i was going to be egg man or some stupid
shit like that and i was i was just i almost would give myself a i don't yeah so this all
happened around the same time that i had to debut the same night you like eggs right i love eggs but
i didn't want to come out of the let me look what comes out of the egg here right i mean that's you
know this is what i'm at home and then i finally get to do it and i'm like i'm gonna do it and i'm
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this sounds like vince mcmahon but is it really vince i mean i i've only met him once yeah right
and i'm like undertaker undertaker's not chicken man like hell yeah this is the undertaker right
yeah yeah he's like great god damn can you be here tomorrow and i'm like stanford connecticut i'm like
yeah i can be there right i'm so green and i know so little about the world at this point
like i hang up with him and
i'm like oh shit how am i gonna get there yeah right because i got no money i got i mean i'm
i broke and finally somebody obviously calls me back and sets up travel but
anyway he brings me up to the office and has these storyboards laid out and with the you know
with the images of the undertaker and i'm just like oh this is really cool so you do you do dig
it like when you first oh yeah yeah once i once i saw it yeah and and then um you know he kind of
gave me a an idea of what he was looking for and then he kind of
handed it over to me and and said okay now make it yours make it yours so now i'm invested in
i'm watching all of friday the 13th movies yeah and you know the halloweens and all these all
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You burn out so fast.
Right.
And you learned that, like you just figured that out.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I wish I could say that I was like really smart, but it was just kind of an intuitive
thing.
Like I'm starting to feel like a certain way doing this.
Right.
Like it's, it's like, okay.
It's kind of getting to be like making the donuts right every morning.
So if I'm feeling like this, my audience has got to be feeling a certain way as well.
So that was one of the things that, that I think gave me such longevity was being able
to stay true to the character for the most part, but evolving it and, um, and moving
it along.
What would that look like to you?
What would evolving mean to you?
It started out simply by just changing colors.
Like, you know, there, there's nothing fancy about the undertaker, but the original look
was, you know, the, the long coat, the hat, everything was gray and white and, you know,
just changing it to purple.
Yeah.
Just like, oh, that's different.
Yeah.
You know?
And then, you know, a couple of years later changing, you know, changing some of the,
of the look and adding different, you know, move sets and just trying different, you know,
different things.
Can I ask you, cause it's one of the things that stands out when you look at these, like,
is it challenging at all?
Difficult to wrestle with gloves on?
Those gloves.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So again, yeah.
Those gloves, cause they, they, they, when you sweat, they get wet and they start to
roll down and they want to come off.
And you're grabbing your opponent.
Yeah.
So eventually I moved to, uh, an MMA glove, which you can strap them down.
And, and, uh, I think the, uh, I think my opponents appreciated those too, cause there
was a little bit more padding in them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
On those, on those days that I got a little too close.
Yeah.
Now what, um, like the, one of the things too, is like, I think nobody, you don't really
appreciate certain sports if you don't see it live, like the live experience changes
everything.
And that's one of the things I told people when I went to see, um, a Monday night raw
thing, I was like, man, this is the, like the energy and the, uh, the show, the spectacle
that is, that is the night.
Right.
It is so much different.
Right.
In person.
You can really get an appreciation for it.
One of the things you see so much better too, is just how physical things are.
Yeah.
Um, how, how injured have you been doing this?
Well, how long we got, I can run them down.
It's all right.
I mean, just long-term damage.
I've had both knees replaced at this point, uh, partial hip replacements.
Um, that's just from the wear and tear.
Sure.
So, but like acute injuries.
I've blown out both, um, eye sockets, I've had, um, orbital blowout fractures in both
eyes.
I've, I've been, um, I've been set on fire.
Most people don't list that in their injuries.
Yeah.
Actually I've been in set on fire twice, uh, you know, torn, torn muscles, concussions,
numerous lacerations, broken bones.
Yeah.
And in a match.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's one of the, one of the great areas, how we've evolved to where the product is.
Now, now we have doctors ringside, we have trainers, we have, I mean, it's treated just
like any other major league sporting event.
I mean, we are, the athletes are very well taken care of now.
Yeah.
Not so much, uh, you know, in, in the '80s and before.
In '89?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, if somebody in the, in the locker room had a roll of tape, I mean, that was.
That was a big deal.
Yeah.
That's a big deal.
Yeah.
Right?
Holy shit.
Yeah.
So, and, and we just had that mentality, um, if you can figure out how to get to the ring,
you go to the ring.
Yeah.
And if you get hurt during the match, you do the best you can to figure out a way to
get out of it.
Yeah.
It was just the, it was just the mentality.
Whereas now when, if, if someone gets busted open, you'll notice that a lot of times they're
going to cut away, doctor will come in, put, um, I don't know, what do they use on, uh,
like the nitro, whatever they can to stop the cut.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if they can't stop it, then they'll, they'll stop the match now.
Really?
Protect the athlete a little more.
Yeah.
Protect the athlete.
And, and obviously we don't, we don't advocate having, you know, the blood and guts that
we, that we used to either.
Sure.
It's, it's, you know, for the old school, school purist, it's like, ah, you know, but,
but it, it, it's just a.
It is, it's where the product is, is evolved.
But back to the original question, I've had, uh, 18, I guess, 18 surgeries, um, to replace
and, and to fix wrestling related injuries.
Yeah.
And do you, do you, I mean, do you live with pain?
Like is this.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, I don't, you know, I don't, I try not to complain about it.
Cause I know, I mean, I knew the whole time that eventually.
Yeah.
Something's going to.
You're going to get to that point.
I mean, you just, you don't play the game that hard and, and not have residual effects.
Sure.
But I'll say this, you look great and you move around really well and yeah.
Smoking mirrors, man.
Yeah.
Smoking mirrors.
Yeah.
It's, that's kind of key too.
Once it's all over.
Um, you know, I was never really like a, a body guy.
Right.
I never like really cashed in on what I look like physically.
Yeah.
I kept myself in physically good shape.
Yeah.
And that becomes really important.
Once you retire.
Yeah.
Um, because that's when, you know, you're like, ah, I don't, I don't have to do this
anymore now.
Yeah.
And that's when guys blow up and they stop moving.
And then that's just, it just, all those years come.
Crashing down.
Yeah.
They come crashing down on you hard.
So I get, uh, I do twice the, twice the workouts for half the results, but you know, it keeps
me, it keeps me moving.
Yeah.
Well, that's great that you're still like, cause I mean, I mean that day you were working
out when I went to your place and you're like, yeah, still train all the time.
And yeah.
And it's just, I mean, it just kind of, it keeps me, you know, it keeps my mind going
as well.
Like, you know, although I know I'm not going to get back in the ring and have a match,
but it's just, it's just part of it.
It's better.
It's better for.
Yeah.
It's better for my mind.
Sure.
Sure.
Yeah.
And you never know what, when they're going to call you to, you know, like I couldn't
have a match anymore, but I can come in there and punch somebody in the face or choke slam
them or something.
Like you definitely don't want to look like, you know, a pile of crap when you know.
Yeah.
Do you enjoy your role with like the, the wrestling world today?
I mean, you're obviously like, you know, this iconic figure and you're still involved.
Yeah.
I'm able now to obviously have a little more personality and not be so deadpan with the
character.
So that, that's fun.
Yeah.
I think sometimes.
Yeah.
I think sometimes I get a little overexposed for not being able to go actually and have
a match.
You know, it, it just becomes difficult.
I, you know, you'll get your, your naysayers like, oh, well you got the old man out there
doing stuff, you know?
It's like, well, there must be a reason that they keep asking.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
Uh, but, um, yeah, it, I, I, I like my role.
I, I get to, for years I didn't interact at all.
Mm-hmm.
for years I didn't interact at all with, with, with the fans. And, and, and so now, you know,
I'll do, I'll do signings every once in a while. I don't do a lot of them, but I do,
I do enough to get out there. I go and, um, yeah, I do, uh, I do my one dead man show,
which is kind of a, that's a really cool experience for, for a wrestling fan and an
undertaker fan, because you, you actually get to hear a lot of the stories of, uh, you know,
even things that I don't say on the podcast or on someone else's podcast, like in, in the one
dead man. Cause we, you know, we take the phones and we don't allow recording. So you really get a
uncensored, uh, that's rad for a fan. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You'll get my, my true opinions
on, uh, you know, the state of the business. Let's turn these cameras off. Let's have this
fucking conversation.
That's pretty cool. Yeah. So it is, it is a really cool experience, I think for, you know,
for undertaker fans, but wrestling fans in general, do you, by the way, do you have,
do you like the, like acting? Is that something that you have fun with? I never, I was so like,
it paid off, I guess, but like, I really never, once I started being the undertaker,
everything was focused around that character. Yeah. Um, I wanted people, I always wanted
people to be the undertaker. I wanted people to be the undertaker. I wanted people to be the
like, I knew they did. I knew they knew like, well, he's not really dead. Yeah. Right. But I
wanted people to, when they saw me even in public, I wanted people always go like, yeah, I ain't
fucking with that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's, he's, there's something different.
Yeah. And, um, so I, I didn't, I didn't do a lot of media.
and i didn't do a lot like again i didn't do a lot of interactions and i and i lived you know
people talk about all the time like how did you live that character yeah every you know like now
i've got i've got yellow tennis shoes on and yeah in jeans like if you saw me i didn't have my
wrestling gear on but if you saw me in the airport there'd be no doubt who that was i was always
dressed in black yeah uh you're keeping it going i kept i kept it going and um yeah i lived it
yeah for and but this is what also i mean to be like totally transparent this is what great actors
do when they are committed to a character a lot you know a lot of them do the method approach and
they they live in the costume or whatever it is and they they just go i'm just going to be this
character even off set and it just helps them you know commit to that character means similar
things yeah and that and that's the way the way i approached it because i didn't want because the
character is
you
, like i just in my mind i didn't want people like to to see that on tv and yeah oh that's you
know that's that's death yeah and then you know see me somewhere out in public with a hawaiian
shirt on yeah yeah yeah you know a fedora with this you know this is like uh-huh undertaker's
bullshit yeah he's bullshit yeah and um but that shows a level of care about the fan experience
which is cool you know like i just saw this clip
i don't know if you saw it where um i think what's his name tariko's i said tariko uh interviewing
michael jordan i don't know if you saw this clip that went viral and he goes it just popped up like
a few days ago and he goes um well come on like when was the last time you picked up a basketball
he was like like years and he's like no but like when was the last time and he goes i was it was
the rider cup and i was renting a house like obviously a nice house from somebody to stay there
and the owner said you know there was going to stop by and do photos like with mike and and he
goes i went i met everybody and i i uh you know did the photos and then the owner of the house
was like hey i just want you to shoot like one free throw and so mike says you know he goes this
is the most nervous i've been in years and he goes come on he goes no because he had his grandkids
there so i know that those kids have heard the stories of 30 years ago and he goes i have never
been so nervous and then the guy interviewing him he's like you swish it he goes yeah of course
yeah of course it's jordan he's like yeah he's like yeah he goes and that set me off but i
but it was the parallel to me is that like you care about the fan experience you care what they
like like you know you don't want someone to see you
out there with the fucking straw hat on going yeah somebody they're like yeah that sucks that
would suck and i still get it i even people were so invested in that care i get it now
really like oh yeah like oh yeah i prefer i've heard it when my undertaker didn't talk
you know or if i'm doing something like i've done you know like i do tv shows or anything like that
it's just like that's not my undertaker wow yeah i mean that there's so that's the level of
commitment to it yeah yeah
i mean kids like i've been around for so long that people that come to see me as kids now have
their own kids sure and it's kind of a it's yeah and they're telling their kids this guy's gonna
scare the shit out of you right what's he doing with the hawaiian shirt all again what the hell
is that now i want to ask because one of the things that stan is like your sport is just full
of freaks like athletic freaks right specimens you know you see these guys and you're like jesus
you know this kind of human existed and in all your wrestling and all the matches um like i i was
i talked to cody rhodes about this i was like you know i know obviously there's a lot of big strong
guys but like what was like mark henry like he was like bro like he was so much stronger yeah
than anyone has ever put their hands on me do you have like people who you think about like you're
obviously a big strong guy but people you stepped in the ring with and you're like holy shit like
this and yeah there's there there's yeah there's guys that are just absolute beast um you know
brock lesnar for one like and especially in his first run like so brock's what six three six four
uh he was about 290 295 in his first run before he went to ufc and you and you look at somebody
like that and you there's just like there's no way he can be as fast as he can be and he's just
as fast as he is yeah right it it's just your eyes and your brain can't you you can't comprehend
uh someone this big moving like this moving like that yeah he was just a freak of an athlete um
and then strength wise you you can guys like mark henry or kane kane was so freaking strong
um it's just you're like dang because again you think i'm you know i'm a pretty strong
guy i can move a little bit of weight yeah and then you feel somebody grab you know when somebody
grabs you and this is like oh this is different this is different yeah uh big show was like that
yeah um but yeah there was there's some guys in in wrestling and in this era too now we got guys
like braun breaker who is a phenomenal athlete and um i think they clocked him he i don't 22
23 miles an hour
ridiculous and he's 200 and i think he's 240 pounds that's 22 23 miles an hour
something to that effect i i could be off on that number but if you see him move yeah
oh my gosh he is just he's a second generation um he's second generation
wrestler his dad is 23 miles an hour bro he ran a 4 5 40 this guy's 250
jesus that's
iso speed there yeah he just about decleted him oh yeah oh jesus yeah yeah it looks like it i don't
know if he's selling that that's just real choice he had no choice he he hit him holy shit look at
this he's like i can do a flip watch this oh yeah he felt that's not a wrestler so he doesn't even
have any clue how to protect himself yeah um and he's a little bit amped up at that point
braun is right there yeah you can see that he's a little amped oh man right now he's above like
what am i doing my life i shouldn't have done this this was a bad idea shit that's just one
human being catching another human being and tossing him around there are some true freaks
in in the wrestling yeah no and again i i i mean i'm reiterating this point it's one thing you see
it on video you're like god damn but in person everything registers so different yeah it's crazy
different speed does power does yeah the the whole spectacle of it just it lands so differently
that's what i always tell people like a lot of people have preconceived ideas about you know
what wrestling is and what it isn't and um that's usually what i say just go go to a and not
necessarily like just a live event but a televised live event yeah that's where you get all the
bells and the whistles and everybody's a little bit a little bit more amped up and i think i mean
the show itself but also because you can't you can't like describe the effect of a hype crowd
like without feeling you know i mean like i could tell you oh it's really when you're in there and
like yeah you feel like you're in the roman coliseum people are it's bad and also when
they're boo when they hate somebody you're like oh and then it becomes fun you're like yeah fuck
you yeah dude you don't even know your ass kick yeah it's really exciting it's a great atmosphere
yeah i felt like that i mean
first time i went to ufc it's like i knew what ufc was and i was like yeah i've seen like you
know who doesn't like a good fight but being in the arena for the fights especially a like a big
oh yeah it hits different yeah yeah it really does do you look back on on your career which
is obviously like this crazy legendary career do you are you most fond of a certain match
like do you look back and go like i'm this is the one i um so the match
i'm probably as far as a as a wrestling purist matches uh would have to be
wrestlemania 25 sean like sean michaels yeah that was as close to perfect that i ever
that i ever got right i mean there's it was just one of those things when you're in the moment
look at that crowd yeah that was at uh reliant stadium in houston jesus um super lean here right
yeah yeah i was well i'm i'm three probably yeah about 305 there 305 yeah
yeah um and then obviously sean is probably one of the greatest if not the greatest in-ring
talent ever um there's yeah we're both in this particular we're both in our 40s
wow uh this is both in late in both of our careers but uh so we had this one 25
uh we came back ran it back in wrestlemania 26 where it was the uh his career against the street
which at that point was that was like my selling point at that was the
WrestleMania undefeated streak and then went from these two matches to two
matches in a row with Triple H which is you know Shawn and Triple H are really
close yeah it was like a four-year story that that happened but yeah WrestleMania
25 is is in my opinion it was it was we were able to not only be athletic and
show all that but the story that we were able to tell and that's what wrestling
that's what wrestling is about it's about the story wrestling is a soap opera
with violence yeah yeah and that that's kind of the and that's the hard part a
that concept is yeah it's a it's about the wrestling but really what it is it
is the storytelling and we use the wrestling to help tell the story yeah
right and this was about as close to again perfect on all the on all fronts
and I mean to have these people emotionally connected I mean look at the
you know the size discrepancy and yeah they all you know they all think that
there's a chance that I'm losing for the rest of my life I'm losing for the rest
of my life I'm losing for the rest of my life I'm losing for the first time at
first time at WrestleMania in this match yeah which is like you want them to go
through that emotional yeah yeah that's the that's the whole deal is the fuck
through that emotional yeah yeah that's the that's the whole deal is the fuck he's gonna lose yeah how much by the
he's gonna lose yeah how much by the
he's gonna lose yeah how much by the way in in these matches whether it's
way in in these matches whether it's
way in in these matches whether it's WrestleMania or a standard weekly match
WrestleMania or a standard weekly match
WrestleMania or a standard weekly match how much chatter is there to each other
how much chatter is there to each other
how much chatter is there to each other that like while it's going on yeah and
that like while it's going on yeah and
that like while it's going on yeah and that sometimes it just it depends like
that sometimes it just it depends like
that sometimes it just it depends like what was really cool about this is we're
what was really cool about this is we're
what was really cool about this is we're both again we were well into our career
both again we were well into our career
both again we were well into our career yeah we're on the backside of our
yeah we're on the backside of our
yeah we're on the backside of our careers actually and your vets and you
careers actually and your vets and you
careers actually and your vets and you know what you're doing but yeah well
know what you're doing but yeah well
know what you're doing but yeah well even though you know sometimes when
even though you know sometimes when
even though you know sometimes when you're you're a vet and and you do have a
you're you're a vet and and you do have a
you're you're a vet and and you do have a really long and storied legacy like the
really long and storied legacy like the
really long and storied legacy like the young guys sometimes come in and they're
young guys sometimes come in and they're
young guys sometimes come in and they're they're scared to death mm-hmm right so
they're scared to death mm-hmm right so
they're scared to death mm-hmm right so you have to a lot of times you have to
you have to a lot of times you have to
you have to a lot of times you have to talk and calm them down and because they
talk and calm them down and because they
talk and calm them down and because they they want to go right they got this
they want to go right they got this
they want to go right they got this opportunity to be in this matter they
opportunity to be in this matter they
opportunity to be in this matter they want they want to go sometimes you just
want they want to go sometimes you just
want they want to go sometimes you just get whoo take a breath here and is that
get whoo take a breath here and is that
get whoo take a breath here and is that in the ring - you're like yeah you know
in the ring - you're like yeah you know
in the ring - you're like yeah you know you sometimes yeah sometimes you get
you sometimes yeah sometimes you get
you sometimes yeah sometimes you get popped and you're like okay you got one
popped and you're like okay you got one
popped and you're like okay you got one coming okay just so you know yeah yeah
coming okay just so you know yeah yeah
coming okay just so you know yeah yeah it's you - yeah there's there's a there's
it's you - yeah there's there's a there's
it's you - yeah there's there's a there's a fair amount of you know each guy's
a fair amount of you know each guy's
a fair amount of you know each guy's different but there's a fair amount of
different but there's a fair amount of
different but there's a fair amount of shit talking yeah there's you know this
shit talking yeah there's you know this
shit talking yeah there's you know this is what I'm about to do kind of deal if
is what I'm about to do kind of deal if
is what I'm about to do kind of deal if you get if something like an unexpected
you get if something like an unexpected
you get if something like an unexpected like oh shit my my ribs my arm was
like oh shit my my ribs my arm was
like oh shit my ribs my arm was something like will you will you be like
something like will you will you be like
something like will you will you be like you know yeah well if you're able to
you know yeah well if you're able to
you know yeah well if you're able to yeah like yeah like okay I dude I need
yeah like yeah like okay I dude I need
yeah like yeah like okay I dude I need to you know you know maybe you say hey
to you know you know maybe you say hey
to you know you know maybe you say hey throw me out throw me out of the ring
throw me out throw me out of the ring
throw me out throw me out throw me out of the ring and just give me a second I
and just give me a second I
and just give me a second I you know I got broke a rib or something
you know I got broke a rib or something
you know I got broke a rib or something yeah it's just something to create enough
yeah it's just something to create enough
yeah it's just something to create enough time to assess what what the damage is
time to assess what what the damage is
time to assess what what the damage is and whether or not you're going to be
and whether or not you're going to be
and whether or not you're going to be able to
able to
able to finish or you're going to have to add
finish or you're going to have to add
finish or you're going to have to add lib the finish because of because of
lib the finish because of because of
lib the finish because of because of something because of the injury or
something because of the injury or
something because of the injury or yeah is there a wrestler you hated
yeah is there a wrestler you hated
yeah is there a wrestler you hated wrestling
wrestling that list is about as long as the list
that list is about as long as the list
that list is about as long as the list of my surgeries uh no no
of my surgeries uh no no
of my surgeries uh no no there's you know early on in my career
there's you know early on in my career
there's you know early on in my career like I had a like every
like I had a like every
like I had a like every big guy that was out there yeah I got
big guy that was out there yeah I got
big guy that was out there yeah I got him uh-huh right
him uh-huh right
him uh-huh right and
and
and not all of them were real gentlemen well
not all of them were real gentlemen well
not all of them were real gentlemen well not only that not real gentlemen but
not only that not real gentlemen but
not all of them were real gentlemen but they were they they were limited
they were they they were limited
they were they they were limited oh and what they could do right and
oh and what they could do right and
oh and what they could do right and um
um
um so you you end up a lot of times you
so you you end up a lot of times you
so you you end up a lot of times you got to try and make
got to try and make
got to try and make chicken salad out of chicken right
chicken salad out of chicken right
chicken salad out of chicken right yeah yeah um and that but
yeah yeah um and that but
yeah yeah um and that but yeah there's just some certain people
yeah there's just some certain people
yeah there's just some certain people you vibe with and people you don't vibe
you vibe with and people you don't vibe
with yeah yeah uh again with back to sean michaels like he could have a he could have a five-star
match with a broomstick i mean that's just how good he was right so when you get guys like that
or that accomplished in the can you tell like what makes sean so incredible like so great
he just exceptional talent yeah i mean he loved the business he was a phenomenal athlete he had
this incredible personality um he you know he would make you he's that cat look at him i mean
you want to punch him in the face yeah right especially in his early the early part of his
career he was just like yeah i want to i want to beat the shit out of this dude yeah and as hard
as i tried never i could never quite get to him enough he always got away you know from the the
real beating until um we had a match
called you know hell in the cell right and uh you know again well he even got out of that because
about about really beat the snot out of him for 30 minutes and that was the debut of kane again
great storytelling but you know he was just man he just he had it all he was good on the mic
uh his character was was good uh and and and for a smaller guy
when you know
for me in a wrestling match it always broke down like you can do all the wrestling and everything
it always at some point breaks down to where it's just dukes right it's just a fight and not
everybody had that they didn't have that edge he did like he could do everything he was ahead of
his time um with his in work ability but when it came down to the even if it came down to just the
fight he was he was believable and
uh just uh i don't i don't i don't i mean he's he's recognized as one of the greats but i don't
think really people really understand how good he was um he he runs now he runs one of our
our um our shows our nxt program he's ahead of all of our our new talent coming up so he's like
is that like when like so the new guys like they they all go to like camp and they well they go
through they they have to they have to go through a selection process to even start to be trained
and then they graduate from there then they go to um our nxt program which is one of our tv shows
it's our for our young talent sure and he's he's the um you know he he runs all of that
that's awesome man yeah so we got i mean the future's in really good hands that's great
yeah yeah and then they have someone really legendary to look up to which has got to be
yeah and not not only what does his you know not only does he have the
talent like he he's done everything there is to do in the ring but he's had his ups and his downs
too like like his real life yeah so he he can relate you know people oh you don't know what
i'm going through he's like yeah i kind of do yeah i kind of do been there yeah so it's uh
are there wrestlers too because i mean you find this in in every major sport i'm assuming there's
there's just guys maybe less today than back in the day that would just try to hurt people
in the ring
yeah there were not if they thought they could make money with you okay yeah yeah but there were
a lot of liberties taken with like we used to before we started doing raw monday night raw
and everything we would do we would tape our our regular weekly tv shows and usually you
didn't get like marquee match-ups you would get say um uh okay so you get undertaker from
i don't know i don't know you don't know i don't know you don't know you don't know you don't know
uh allentown pennsylvania right just some local kid that's trying to get a break you go in there
you run through all your signature moves and you crush them in about three minutes and yeah
that's all you got so but there were there were guys back in the day that would like had no regard
for uh those guys safety oh right yeah they were just like they're just like a piece of meat um
so and and you know there's just certain guys certain guys work different ways
too like there's certain guys that just like i'm going to hit you really hard and tell you sorry
later yeah yeah um that's just how i operate yeah yeah and as long as like i didn't really have a
problem with that as long as they didn't bitch when it came back right right right yeah it's
one thing if you're going to clean my clock and then bitch about it when i when i throw a receipt
back at you you know that's when you're going to have a problem but if that's the way you
you know you can hit me hard hit me hard
don't hit me hard in the nose or in the face somewhere around you know sure you're going to
have but if you if you that's the way you want to work we can work go to work and snug you know if
you want to work snug i can work snug just don't you know don't bitch when it comes back yeah and
um you know but yeah everyone i think today is there there are a lot more uh professional and
on the same page yeah well it just evolves so much right and you get and you the i'm sure
that the uh the training for a new person is so much better today
like how this operates oh man how to take process and yeah yeah the process is is crazy yeah like i
started in in a guy's backyard yeah trying to yeah to dodge piles of dog crap yeah yeah you know
sure to now where you have to go through they go through i mean we go to we send people to
the combine now the nfl combine these conference conferences
they're they have we go out and actively recruit to try and find the absolute best athletes yeah
you know that are that are out there which is you think oh that's great yeah but a lot of times they
have absolutely zero knowledge of professional rest sure so as you're taking someone from step
one yeah and that's a that's a much more difficult process if you're you have such a better
understanding if you're a if you're a fan of the product yeah then somebody who's never been a fan
of it like because they're just thinking like well i'm gonna turn it up all the way and yeah let's go
and like whoa but it really evolved like yeah it's like it's almost like uh i don't know if you've
seen like a some of the big high school locker or gyms these days you're like this looks like an
nfl locker room like i remember my high school gym and look shit like this like this is crazy
like facilities you know it's a
yeah
facility yeah now you have been obviously immensely successful in this so let's have
a fun chat what's the stupidest shit you ever bought uh once you started making money what's
the stupidest shit yeah um everyone's got some stupid i'm sure yeah no i do i'm trying to think
i bought i remember the like it wasn't stupid but it was like the like i've loved motorcycles
for yeah part of my life and yeah like when i finally finally got out of debt which was
probably two years into my wwe run i finally bought my first new motorcycle i didn't even in
my house that i had didn't have a garage uh-huh so i had to open up the double doors and park it
right inside the uh there was like a stone foyer that i parked my heart that's pretty cool um
um but that's your preferred mode of transportation though motorcycles right it used to be now i don't
i don't move well enough like my neck and everything doesn't move well enough okay people
on the road they don't move well enough they don't move well enough they don't move well enough
on their phones and i'm a little nervous about it yeah i still love to ride but i don't ride like i
used to yeah um but i i've gone through all the silly shit the boats and the jet skis and all the
you know went through all the cars now you know i rolled up in my old f4 my 250 today i know i
felt like i was parking next to a man i knew it was you i just pulled up in my little bitch-ass
sports car and i was like that's got to be him oh man it's what what else would a redneck
from texas be driving right yeah nothing better though honestly like i'll go a pretty long period
of time without it and then i get into a truck and i'm like this is just sitting up there the view
it becomes addictive i'll tell you a funny story though about that because it's got a
i got a four inch lift on it it's got big 38 inch tires on it's again but again i love sitting up
there and being able to see everything so a couple weeks ago i'm at whole foods i went to buy some
right i was gonna grill some steaks and i'm parked i backed into a spot at whole foods and
you know got stopped a couple times in the store so now i'm a little bit late yeah so i was getting
in throw the food through the steaks in the car join the truck and i jump in and i pull out right
so the truck is so high that i didn't see the car next to me uh-huh i ran right over the front of it
ran right over the front end of this car my back wheels ran right over the hood
you leave a note uh-huh no i did like i was like oh you gotta be shitting me here man i can't
please tell me it was a fan they're like no it's cool dude unbelievably it was it was yeah
they're like this is one of the greatest days of my life man oh i need a new car but
this is cool we got a new car out of it yeah but it was i just ran over it yeah i just ran over
the front that's hilarious man i couldn't see it at all holy shit yeah it's up there yeah it's a
big ass and i know what i mean obviously i wasn't paying as probably as much attention as i should
but i couldn't see it i couldn't see it because it was lower like a mazda yeah that he had lowered
two it's like you both went opposite those back wheels ran right over just he's like no fucking
way you ruined my car cool yeah what the hell oh yeah okay we'll figure this out yeah i'm a fan but
yeah but so yeah you got to be careful that's cool your redneck mobiles um you've hung out by
the way with mike tyson a few times right i have two yeah it's one of the most memorable
experiences that i've had you know um i don't know if like if the same to you where i was just like
i mean the first time i mean every time i run i just ran into him again but every time you're
just kind of like this is crazy yeah you know just thinking about watching him fight like was it
um different because you're you're coming from uh being another athlete so i think it's different
for you but is it still it is right yeah if you if you were alive boxing in the time that mike
had his run yeah he man there was no one bigger than than tyson yeah it's like and there was
nothing i mean that was probably one of the hardest tickets to to get on his title runs and
um you know he he he back i'm trying to think what year it was but he
was he came on our show and and and did um he did some stuff with us and it's just it's pretty
cool man pretty cool right yeah to see it was cool for us to to see how big a wrestling fan
mike tyson is yeah right uh you because you forget you forget people are fans of what you do of what
you do right and you just don't look at it like that like oh shit that's mike tyson and he's
looking back oh shit that's stone cold or that's you know that's the undertaker and but yeah so
uh always i tell you what man he's always been like a gentleman uh just like a he he's like a
a little kid at when he's around wrestling though really and he lights up and he yeah
and the shit that he knows it blew me away man like i did his i did his podcast a couple years
ago and um you know once once i i adjusted to the smoke
level yes a lot of smoke yeah right once i adjusted to that like you know we'd be talking
about something and then you know i think i think he's i think he's about to fall asleep yeah and
then the next thing man he just rattles off you know what happened with bruno back in bruno san
martino back in the thing when he was father and i'm like where the hell did all that come from
but you could tell like he is a genuine fan of the product i feel like if i was a wrestler and
like all right and then we're gonna mike's gonna hit you i'll be like hey let's kind of walk through
this a few times or like i only want to do that once you know like we're gonna sell it right yeah
like chill chill out don't get too excited like yeah i talked to somebody i think it was zach
about the hangover you know like because he punches him in that and they were like all right
let's let's get stunt over here talk about how we pretend to punch somebody because like
you just don't want him to have the itch yeah like oh man i don't want any flashbacks right now
no dude like even like i mean i saw him what it was a month ago and you know you're still like
yeah i mean the the the width is still there the way he walks you're like yeah you still have torque
in those hips yeah you don't he yeah you don't lose that power no yeah the reflexes and and the
speed and some of that goes away but the power is power is still there yeah and are you talking about
like it's one thing hitting another boxer but hitting someone outside of that is just
yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't want to do it well dude this is uh this is a real treat thank you for
for coming in today it's been a pleasure man i i can't believe we live in the same town i know
it's taken this long to and i'll tell you this i told everybody this when i met you
and it'll be a huge disappointment to people that still wish the undertaker was the undertaker at
all times but you're such a genuine authentic nice man it's like it's uh well that's a good
it's it's you're a real pleasure to be around so well i appreciate that man yeah i as seriously as
i take what i did and what i do i don't take myself as serious as you can tell yeah so i mean
it's yeah i'm in a great place i feel like i've been incredibly blessed and get to do things like
this and it's awesome yeah let's um let's work out some time i want to come back to the gym yeah
come on back man let's do it i got some more equipment over there now i want to try some new
shit i've got it all brother uh don't forget wrestlemania 42 takes place in the middle of the
april 18th and april 19th 2026 at allegiant stadium in las vegas and tickets are available
right now i'm telling you if you've never seen this stuff live there's just there's nothing like
it make it a make it a trip it's vegas it's go have some fun you know gamble dance listen to
music get ripped and watch wrestlemania and uh huge thanks again to the undertaker mark thank
you so much for coming in and we'll see you guys next week
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The speaker is filming a stand-up special in Milwaukee and shares a personal connection to The Undertaker, highlighting their contrast in appearance and presence.
WrestleMania’s evolution, especially the first stadium show in Detroit, marked a turning point in wrestling’s growth and fan engagement.
Early wrestling and comedy careers share similarities in relentless travel, physical demands, and mental discipline.
The Undertaker’s rise began unexpectedly, driven by a chance meeting and a deep personal commitment to his character, which evolved over time through subtle changes in look and persona.
Wrestling has become safer and more athlete-centered due to modern medical support, with significant advancements in injury care and ring safety.
The Undertaker emphasizes the emotional storytelling aspect of wrestling, citing WrestleMania 25 vs. Sean Michaels as one of his most perfect matches.
He attributes his longevity to a deep commitment to his persona, maintaining authenticity both in public and in private, even after retirement.
The live wrestling experience is distinct from viewing it on screen, with crowd energy, pace, and physicality creating a more intense and real atmosphere.
Summary:
The host reflects on his personal journey and career parallels with The Undertaker, emphasizing shared experiences of physical rigor, travel, and mental endurance between stand-up comedy and professional wrestling. He highlights how The Undertaker’s persona evolved from a simple, gritty image to a globally recognized icon through consistent dedication and adaptation. Key moments like WrestleMania 25 versus Sean Michaels are cited as triumphant examples of storytelling and emotional impact in wrestling.
The conversation also underscores the dramatic evolution of safety standards and medical care in the sport, transitioning from a high-risk, low-care environment to a professional, athlete-first model. The host stresses that live events provide a uniquely powerful experience—more visceral and emotionally charged than televised matches—due to crowd energy and physical intensity. He also notes that both wrestling and comedy require a deep personal commitment to authenticity, with The Undertaker maintaining his image through lifestyle and consistent presence.
Ultimately, the discussion celebrates the craft of storytelling in sports and performance, where longevity comes not from perfection, but from genuine connection and evolution over time.
FAQs
The Undertaker's stand-up special is taking place in Milwaukee at the Riverside Theater on November 14th and 15th.
Tickets for the November 14th show are available at tomscray.com/slash/tour.
WrestleMania 2024 is happening on April 18th and 19th at Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas.
The first stadium WrestleMania was held in 1988 at the Detroit stadium, which had a capacity of around 80,000 and was a major milestone in wrestling history.
He was initially drawn to wrestling by a friend who encouraged him to attend a wrestling camp, where he fell in love with the sport and began training seriously.
The Undertaker’s persona is distinct for its dark, serious, and mysterious style, which evolved over time through changes in color, look, and storytelling, creating a lasting connection with fans.
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