‘The Truman Show’ With Bill Simmons, Glen Powell, and Chris Ryan

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This is a classic. I've seen it many times. Glenn has seen it many times and you can tell based on his performance. People are upset that we don't do a lot of Jim Carrey movies. But I've been saving it for Jim Carrey month. And yet we just haven't done Jim Carrey month. So I can't wait for it. Yeah. We have a bunch of ones. Anyway, rewatchables coming up next. The Truman Show with Glenn Powell. This episode is presented by PayPal. Let's talk holiday shopping. Make the most of your money with PayPal. They give you the flexibility to pay in for no fees, no interest. Save the offer in the PayPal app to get 5% cash back when you pay later. So whether you're shopping for an ugly sweater party or work out or whatever else, PayPal helps you make the most of your money. This holiday expires 1231. See PayPal.com/promoterms. Subject to approval. Learn more at PayPal.com/payingfor. PayPal Inc. NMLS 910-457. All right. All right. We've been talking about this pre-Top Gun Maverick. We have because you said you liked this podcast. We liked you. And we were like, we got to get Glenn Powell on CR. And then COVID, Top Gun Maverick, you started making movies left and right. And it took five years for now. We're here. It was worth the wait. It's worth the wait. This is honestly like the perfect moment. I really like there's a lot of comps between the Truman show and running man. And just like the fact that I've gotten a lot like I've had a long time to like watch y'all's podcast and watch you guys do what you do. It feels like we've earned it now. Are you a big re-watcher? Do you have like a stable of movies that you're pumped like you kind of like cycle through over and over again? I love hosting movie nights at my house. So like like everybody knows me to like you know cook some dinner for people and like host a movie night. Cook some dinner for people. Yeah, yeah. Drinks and dinner. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's a brisket. Yeah. Yeah. Just just you know I love man and a girl. So so what we'll do is we'll just like you know have like a little like a little theater thing in my house. And so what we do is we just like kind of you know choose a movie that a lot of people haven't seen. Basically what you guys do here. And we talk about it afterwards. So like kind of the same debrief. We do like a re-watchables version. Nice. And it's like it's like you know sometimes it's like cool serious movies. But sometimes you're like hey let's watch three ninjas. You know what I mean and like like you know this doesn't hold up. What was your romcom that hit? Set it off. Set it up. Set it up. Yep. What's set it off? I'm sure that's what that's my movie awesome. Yeah. No, I remember when that hit. Yeah. And we were all happy because it was like and it was like right as Netflix was really emerging as a movie break. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like oh our guy because we liked you for everybody wants something. It's like oh it's happening. And then you got Top Gun Maverick. Yeah. Right after that. And Miles had I remember I had Miles on my podcast around there too. And it's like Top Gun Maverick. It's gonna be huge. Yeah. And how many months did it get delayed? Like 18? Yeah. It was like almost two years. So yeah it's 2020 and we released summer 2022. So it's been like a trailer reaction in like 2019. Somebody asked me they were like sitting there like I have you know like sometimes what iPhone like does like remember when throwback photos I mean I was like seven years ago. Yeah. It's unbelievable. I've never seen a snare like that where then it belatedly comes out and then it's huge. It was great for you. It was great for Miles. But we're gonna talk about Truman show. Yeah. We asked you for a list. Yes. You sent us a list of 10 movies. Yep. There are pretty good choices. We hadn't we hadn't done any of them. By the way, we've already done it right. We're kind of saving for somebody. Yeah. We're at three ninjas here. That would be like the three ninjas is in the one no one saw coming. Yeah. We're doing that. But you said Truman show was like one near the top or maybe the first one and I was like oh my God. Yeah. That'd be amazing. So why what was that about Truman show? You know the Truman show is you know for me it's one of those that for being kind of like a really messed up premise if you really like spend time thinking about it we will. It's a movie that has like so much joy for people like it was like a that moment in the nineties. I love nineties movies but I just like think it was like a perfect role for Jim Carey. There was like a wishful film and I think like whenever I try to choose a movie I always try to think about what the universal emotion is like something we've all felt but something that you know we're not tapping into. So it feels like there's a collective a collective feeling around it and I feel like we've all had that feeling of being manipulated the idea that like being watched like that that feel that same sort of feeling I feel like it's kind of built into humans for sure and and what's so interesting is such an ambitious movie that's actually made in kind of like a way that doesn't feel like too sci-fi or like too you know too far in the future like it feels very much of this world which makes it like a very kind of almost like almost like a religious experience rather than a science fiction experience. It's like it's a very interesting movie but I find that everybody I show it to can talk about life. It's like one of my favorite things to do when I watch movies with people it it's first conversations like you talk about the movie and everyone has such a different read on it. I mean you could literally go back to you know ancient Greeks if you wanted to when you're talking about this movie you could talk about religion you could talk about you know where we are with reality TV shows and like you know how society sort of likes to control people like you know like how we check into someone else's reality but we're not really living in our own like there's there's so many cool things to talk about so I find that it's a movie that really Jesus. He's fucking host the podcast. I just go rewatch Celtic 6. We thought you were like I really let you carry instead of it's like a lot. I do love you care. We talked about dumb and dumb like I love you know Jim carrying this was also one of his movies that I love because it kind of tapped into like a a dramatic side doing it still used his like superpower. Yeah but but didn't hold on to it too tightly it allowed him to do some other things. Do you have so like this is just a great part. So when you're watching this year in actor you always think about projects like you must see the a movie like this and be like. Fuck would have been a part. Yeah I would have loved to have played Truman. I mean I think there's a lot of different types of actors that could play this role in the fact that I think it's a very well written part but I do think when you when you take on a role you sort of have to figure out what the sort of guiding attribute is and this movie could be played as a horror movie. Yeah it could be played it could be played a million different ways and the fact that he sort of lives in this blissful kind of like silly world like the stakes of his world are low stakes until something drops out of the sky and kind of takes shakes him out of it. So it's something kind of that actually Jim carry the way he plays it. I think it's probably the strongest way to do it. What's cool too is that this movie had such an interesting development history which I'm sure we'll talk about and like there were different permutations of the script. There were different directors up for directing it. There were different actors up for doing it and each one of them you're like oh that would have been cool. Well that would have been interesting but something about Peter Weir and Jim carry and what they chose to do with it you're like yes that's timeless like yes you can't change a note of this movie. It really was the most Robin Williams part ever that he didn't do. Yeah it totally and ironically he was not to step on casting with us but he was like kind of mentioned the circle a little bit before they decided I think a lot I think pretty much none of this cast was like the original. No the original. Wait since we're talking about parts and being jealous and circling have you picked your part and he too yet. See to everybody's in that movie except. Yeah you're not in the stories. No man I looked at the storyboards I'm not in them. You're in the Miami Vice remake one so I saw those you know yeah you know it's really a fun a fun thing that's happening right now. It's like the first time in my life where a casting announcement comes out and it's like there's no truth but like everybody congratulates you on it I'm like I'm just gonna let it but are you ever like that's pretty sick. Honestly it's a very it's a very funny moment in life in my career because like you do you know get to sort of retread like even with twisters right. Yeah what a fun road yeah as a as a Texas boy who grew up around you know tornado alley and like that was such a seminal movie you know bill Paxon was such a you know Texas Film Hall of Fame guy you know and he's like what what they did with that movie was really really special and so to kind of retread you know that ground was like really fun to do that with Top Gun you know it was was was amazing so I that's one of the favorite parts of my career as like as a fan of movies I get to sometimes get to revisit these. What do we do. Kilmer's part for him. Sure sure he's already got the short hair after the haircut you know can you. Can I rock a pony or a real pony. I was born for a pony. Yeah yeah so I honestly don't rule out sunny crock it. I don't know what do your cigarettes goes. These things it's nonstop. I mean the cigarettes are huge. Yeah no I could see him doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Could you fake Florida? What could you fake Florida? Could you fake South Florida? - I don't think you fake Florida, dude. You don't look like man. - You don't look like Texas fake. - You just get in, what's your problem? - I just wanna make sure, yeah. - Yeah, just one spray tan away, that's what Florida is, yeah. - Truman Show. - Yeah. - What else is on? It's one of the last signs of the movie, the old guys watch. - I love that movie. Those are my two favorite. That's, I mean, we're gonna talk about the Dion waiters of it all the way. But I personally, and there's other great choices, but I think those guys are the best exposition, sneaky exposition of the movie. - So, basically this movie is foreshadowing everything that's about to come. Which is why it's such a fast and rewatchable. It was great in the moment. I remember when it came out, I saw it in the theater, I had an illegal cable box in Boston in the late '90s, and they would rerun the pay per views. So it would be like 12, 230, five o'clock. And I just kinda got sucked into Truman Show for like a week. And there's so many little easter eggs and little things in there, and the more you watching, you're like, fuck, this is like, maybe it's kind of fucking me up. And then you start like, are there cameras here? Where, you know, it's one of those where, you start like re-evaluating, just like walking to Dunkin' Donuts, getting a coffee. - No, it's kind of, I mean, even just watching it the other night, I'd like noticed some like, they are very good. I mean, Peter Wears especially, it's just very good with production design and like the little easter eggs that they put in there. Even like I saw on like this one little arch, in the scene when sort of like, you know, Truman is kind of like, you know, having his freak out with the bus in the public where he's literally kind of starting to put it all together. On the arches, it says, you know, it said, I looked at, it was all this Latin stuff and I was like, well, I wonder what that is. And it says, it translates to all for one, one for all. - Yeah. - And I thought I was like, oh, that's cool. - Yeah. - Just like, I love when there's intention and purpose behind. - But it's like, they don't face it. They don't foreground that. They're like, hey, if you notice, you notice, like there's a bunch of little things like that, where it actually will answer some of the questions you might have about how they would pull this off. But they don't make it a major element of the scene because the point of the scene is the emotion or the sky's journey or whatever. So in my head, like as the years passed, I thought like, oh, reality TV, there was this huge boom. - And Truman's like, just, I just kind of forgot how it was really this way for, isn't it? - It's before, yeah. - This kind of weirdly kicked off. Like, that's predated by a year or two. - Yeah, I went through, I did the origin. So apparently the first reality show was called number TV on Dutch television. I don't know if you guys have the DVD. - I have the box at, yeah. - That was the first putting people in a house. Real world was 92. I feel like the OJ Trial was kind of a reality show. - That wasn't. - It was like an unintentional reality show. - Road rolls on MTV was 95. And that's it. So Truman show comes in 98 and it's like, this whole world is coming where anybody can be famous. Anyone's like day to day life can actually be something and they're making an MTV at the same time with the McConaughey. - Was MTV before, after, after. - So it was kind of this moment, but then survivor Big Brother at 2000, then Bachelar Combs and, you know, the only thing. - We hit that whole world. - I was gonna compare this to, was the, do you ever see the Michael Aptead movies, The Seven Up, the series where they follow these kids from Seven On and he makes them like every seven years about? And that is like a little bit like, these kids, their whole lives exist within the framework of these movies, but their, the crucial thing about Truman is that he doesn't know, he's participating in something that everybody else does. Whereas all reality shows, people are like, yeah, I did this to be on, on camera, you know. - Yeah, it shifted really fast. I remember when I was working for Kimmel Show, the first year, we had our lead guest for one episode, was the lady that got voted off second to last on Joe Millionaire. - Oh my God. - Wait, what's her name? - Sarah something, I'm gonna say. - Okay, okay. - By just day. - I had our Joe Millionaire thing here, for sure. - But that Joe Millionaire was being watched by. - Sarah Cosa, Sarah Cosa. - Yeah. - You could get 20 million plus people. - I remember that show. - It was a huge, it was a huge deal. - Yeah. - So it's just like something shifted. - Truman Show saw all of it. - Dude, what's the real, I don't know if you guys have seen this show jury duty. - Yeah. - But I realized, like that is true. - That is Truman Show, that's modern Truman Show. - Yeah. - Like the idea that everybody's in on except one guy. I didn't really thought about that with Judy, but I loved that show. - It's a great show. - Yeah, Jimmy did a movie for a comedy central called "Windy City Heat," where they just pranked this one guy with all of these. This was probably like 2002 range. I'm just same kind of premise. He was the only one who didn't know what was happening. This Truman Show was, I would say a little more elaborate 'cause they had, I can't wait to do some of the nitpicks. - I don't know. - I think the number of actors is an actress. I mean, there's a first AD. I was literally thinking like, sometimes I like to like, you know, look at a movie, you know, and kind of go, okay, like what is the production designer's job? What's the first AD in this job? Like what do they stay up at night? Like what keeps them up at night? The first AD on the Truman Show, it's a nightmare. - Just 24 hours a day. - Unrankable, 24 hours a day. - They would have people breaking, we can get into it, yeah. - Well, Top Gunn Habrick was probably, that was probably the biggest most amount of people movie made. Most amount of people movie. - Like just behind the scenes, like people doing shit. - I think it was the amount of, I would just say, like institutions that were involved, you know, 'cause I mean, you're dealing with like, the United States Navy, you know, you're doing the government, like you're dealing with $80 million aircraft and you're flying them like not how they're normally flying them. - Right, right. - You know, and so there's a lot, I mean, we would have to give briefs in front of the actual Navy every day before we flew. Like I had to tell them altitude, here's my airspace, here's gonna be my coordinates, here's the sun position, if this plane's moving at this, you know, like, and I had to give a brief every morning, exactly what we were doing, and you're doing it for the production, like the, like your production department heads, so they're aware of what's happening, so it matches up in the edit. - Yeah. - So you're saying, "Hey, if I'm looking at three o'clock, is the plane gonna be there, is it four o'clock or five o'clock, so it all cuts together?" Or am I looking down on this plane, like we're, and you're doing it with little plane sticks and acting everything out. So it was like, but you have to remember, like we are, you're not like fake planes, like we're dealing, we're like, we're putting civilians, flying like a hundred feet off the ground, it's 500 miles an hour, it's like it's a big deal. - What should it do with our guy, Cruz? - The rewatchables leader by like four movies. - Yeah. - I think he's got a four movie lead over every, but then he'll run in the '90s, was, - I think he was done all of them, except for like, foreign away at this point. - No, there's 90s movies. - Oh, there's some meat on the bone, Christopher. - Is there really? - Oh yeah, we got submission in Possible's left. - Oh, that's true. - Yeah, I don't think we've done all the right moves. There's some 80s stuff. - Yeah, that's all the right ones. - Don't worry Tom Cruise, we got you. The comedian who doesn't want to be a comedian for a movie movie, Hollywood staple, Bill Murray, The Razor's Edge, Adam Sandler, Punch Drunk Love, Will Ferrell, Stranger than Fiction. They always have to have that one where they're like, I can do more than this in a good way. - Do you think Good Morning, Vietnam, is Robin Williams's dramatic turn? - We're in a cordon of Garpe, I think was. - Oh, I guess that's right. - Is he's coming out of Mark and Mindy, just like, hey, I'm not just like Goofy. - Was that pretty good? Or was the one he did with Insomnia? - That's late. - That's late. - That's no one. - And then Awakening's is when? - Awakening's. - Awakening's was early 90s, that was another one. - When he was like, I also have serious robin vibes. I can do that character. How many sides do you have? How many good? - You have rock comp them pal. - You have a lot. - Action, good pal. I'm trying to cover my big aboard right now. - Honestly, you know what the fun part about this moment in the job is people give you a very long leash, right? And they only basically say no when you've proven that you can't do it, right? And so what I'm like really trying to do right now is like really just like all the movies that kind of inspired me to do this job, like all the things that we're talking about, like it's just movie fans. I'm kind of going, you know, I don't really think of it from like a me side as much as just like a, the types of movies I want to make. And then you always want to know what you're good at. You always want to know like what you're, you don't want to, you know, take on something that is like just not a fit. But like at the end of the day, like going into something that kind of scares you is a good thing. - Well, he's got some sports movie mortality. Like you're, how old are you now? - 37, just turned 37 two days ago. - But maybe a 10-year window now for sports movies. - He's chuckin' in chat powers though. - I know, you got in chat powers. - Yeah. - Everybody wants some. - I feel like there's like an end of the career or baseball movie. Maybe it's like a comedy drama. A little like, for like a movie. - I may or may not be building one of those. - Come on. - Yeah, trust me. 'Cause you were good at baseball. - Yeah, thank you. - For real. - Yeah. - That was like the Val Kilmer part from heat. He moves to South America, plays Winter Ball in Panama. You know? - Yeah. - So you could be heat three. - That's how they find them. But yeah. - It's a really weird. - I'm sitting for a hundred and the Mexico roots. 'Cause I do make it totally. - We have to do a lot of shipping in the first act. - What are your other sports? - Uh, I mean, I would say that like La Crosse would be like fun. A fun one. La Crosse. - La Crosse. - There's not only La Crosse. - There's no La Crosse movies. - That would be really fun. - Aging La Crosse guys. - I just feel like baseball movies that for me, like obviously Linklators, like a guy that will team up, you know, many times over. But he, talking to him about baseball, it's hard not to like go, "Oh, what's a great baseball movie?" 'Cause he's one of the only guys that, I would say directors out here that really know the sport. - Right. - And like, understand what makes it great. - Yeah, I kind of undefeated with movies. They never stop, they keep coming out. - I wanted to ask you. So, Peter Weir, kind of, I was thinking about this last night, kind of reminds me of Linklator in that there's not like an overbearing visual style that you're like, "That's that guy's movie." You know, it's like a Scorsese shot or a Chris Nolan shot. But he gets incredible performances. Like all of his films, this is a third or fourth, we're like we've done Depoets, we've done, we did witness, witness, we will do Master and Commander at some point. And Master and Commander at some point. What is it about like the actor's director? Like when you're working with Linklater or something like that, like how does he get such naturalistic and human performances out of people? And do you see some of that? It's a really good question. That's a really good question. You know what's interesting about Link is that you can tell when a director, I always kind of like sniff it out with a director and kind of you kind of feel what are they paying attention to, right? And a lot of times you can feel when a director is like doing things where it's like obviously there's always a million things to do when they're paying attention to the background artists. They're seeing how things fill up a frame. They're looking at light, they're looking at camera movement or whatever. Linklater is the first guy that will call out bullshit on performance. He's like, he's like something's not reading here. But we do a lot of the rehearsals to make sure that we're all on the same page. Like he's a guy that as an actor, there's nothing better than when a director, you know something's bullshit. And then a director goes, "Hey, I just didn't buy it." You're like, "Oh, I'm taking care of." Right? Interesting. He's got your back. He's got your back. Onanticity, it turns out it matters and Hollywood. But as an actor, like a lot of times like you work with a filmmaker and you're like, they're great shooters. They know how to work the camera. They know how to shoot all these different action or they're great with creating tension or thrilling elements. But then you realize you're on your own performance level. That's when you're kind of living at the monitor, making sure I do that anyway at the beginning of a movie to just see how it's sort of reading with all the elements. But it's really nice to have some a filmmaker who is looking out for you in that way. Because then you can just play. Then you understand that the edit's going to take care of you. You don't have to edit yourself. You know, I have all these premiere magazines from the 1990s. And they wrote about Truman Show in '98. And it was a long interview with Peter Weir. And they asked him, "How are you so good at these characters?" And he said, because he's making movies in Australia in the 70s, right? He made, like, a lot of those ones. But he said they had no good screenwriters in Australia. And you kind of, if you were a director, you also had to revise all these shitty scripts. And so that really got him and he was younger to learn how to work with dialogue with actors. And he's in a weird way, worked out for me. Because I was always thinking about this when I was a young director. And then as it translated when I got older, that's why I can work with actors. So I was like, "Oh, that's really interesting." How to make it work. Yeah. Well, you realize that there's a lot, like, as an actor, like, I always appreciate it, especially in this movie, when certain things are happening for Truman in a weird way. And like, you only get so many buy-ins in a movie. Like, there's a lot of buy-ins that you have to, you know, buy-in to hear about, like, what he's aware of, what he's not aware of, like, how many lights that have fallen down from the sky that didn't start unraveling his sense of the world. Like, there's a few things, like, to build a history of Truman is a very interesting thing. And like, sort of what you have to brush under the rug and sort of what you have to kind of honor. And I just thought that you could tell that Peter Weir and Jim Carrey were really on the same page with, like, what, how to react to certain things, right? Like, to react, like, kind of, like, comedically to it, and then, like, kind of move on with your life. Yeah. You know, not let it, not let it marinate too long, because then the audience is going to marinate on it too. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because he's the audience surrogate, even though we are, even though we are have more information than Truman. If he's thinking about it too much, the logic police start kicking in and you do not want that for this. Yeah. I mean, he does something, we're just something really cool where he both identifies exactly what somebody's good at. So, like, Carrey has all this, like, physical. Yeah. He's so gifted at moving. Like, he's almost like Gene Kelly in this movie. He's, like, gliding through these scenes. But he also, like, knows when to, like, I, whether he knows or Carrey knows to when to take it down 5% so that it doesn't turn into the mask at any moment, like, or doesn't turn into, like, kind of a more comic over the top performance. And I think it's what you're talking about. It keeps us connected to him because he seems just enough, like, a real guy to buy him in this completely unreal situation. Well, I like that he waited for Carrey for a year. That's cool. Yeah. He was doing it. He was like, this has to be the guy. And he's like, well, I got to make cable guy and the liar, liar. And they're like, all right. So then he, apparently, we're spent like a year just thinking about the movie storyboarding. And he didn't think of movies since fearless in '93. So he wanted backstories for all the case. So he went, like, deep dive. I'm going to create, like, who's Marlon? What's his back story? How did he grow up? And he just put all the characters, like, all the actors on depots were like, we're had us do our own biographies for every character. Like, we would write our own biographies and rehearse them and talk about stuff that wasn't even going to be in the movie. But he was like, it was just that level of care. Well, we're going to do, Glenn's going to do that from Miami Vice. We're going to make sunny cracky on a biography. You gotta do it. A sub a sub category for sunny cracky, this ponytail award. The, the, the, the, um, the interesting part about that Truman show in terms of also what you're talking about backstory. Every single character in this movie, I always love like the category of like the rack focus movie. Yeah. Like where you're like, oh, if I rack focus to Laura Linney's character, how did she get cast in that show? Absolutely. What does that look like? Like, even the contract of, like, her marrying a person and being like, like, what is that? What does that, does she get conscious? Yeah, right. She gets days off. Like, what does that look like in perpetuity? Like, you know, that, and I just think that there were so many characters like that because this is sort of like, and you cannot make this premise bulletproof. So allowing you to like rack focus to different characters, you know, even Marlon, like, you know, even the dad, like the way he comes back. I'm sitting there going, I have so many questions, but everybody's really interesting. And when you have a social experiment like this, I was like, this is a world in which you can kind of constantly rack focus to cool people. So we got Laura Linney, Ed Harris, Noah Emmerick, fresh from the beautiful guy set, yeah, singing Neil Diamond, Peter Kraus, Paul G. Maddie, Philip Baker Hall. Yeah. I like a lot of pops of my ass. Love pops of my mouth. This is what I like. This is right around the same time too. Yeah, right. You go back to Maclone. Is that he said it? Yeah. Yeah. Maclone. Just looking great. How do you say it? Maclone. I think Maclone. Yeah. Looking great. Hall and Taylor Harris share carries the star, obviously, and carries in this heater from 94 to 2000. This is a seven year run. I think it's probably the best that you could argue for any comedian ever. And it's in the running for best actor run ever. Ace Ventura, The Mask, Dumb and Dumber, Batman Forever, Ace 2, Cable Guy, he hosts SNL during Wolf Harrell's first season. And it's probably one of the four best episodes of The History of the Show. Liar, liar. He is the Larry Sanders came in the last show where he jumps on the desk and sings the Larry Sanders. Man on the moon, Truman Show, meet myself and Irene and Grinch Stole Christmas. How the Grinch Stole Christmas in seven years. When the tunnel sunshine is at like after, after. Yeah, this is he started the 2000s. He slowed down a little bit. But I mean, that's like, that's a pace, by the way. That's crazy. That's a crazy pace. Seven years. And all kinds of different performances. And, and you know, even like he became Andy Kaufman for like four months. Yeah. That documentary is wild. Yeah. Yeah. Like he really like kind of lost his mind a little bit. But this is, yeah, I don't know. See, I see the most talented comedian we've ever had for, for, for to cross over and move this thing. It's probably between him and Robin Williams, right? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I mean, Eddie had a huge box office. I don't know if he's ever had like this diversity of parts. But Robin Williams and Jim Kerrio would probably be my, I think Eddie Murphy could have gotten there. But he had the, he had a similar unbelievable seven year round. But he never figured out the drama side in the same way. That's like the, did he ever do? What are the new drama girls? And, um, I mean, Boomerang is a rom-com, but is pretty Boomerang's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He, he, he dabbled, but it never, he never kind of landed it. But Kerry was just, it's like, you look at the IMDB and it's like, what the hell? Like seminal movies. Like, Jesus. How did you do all that? Andrew Nickel wrote this movie in 93. We mentioned that. Can I draw a quick nickel fact? Yeah. So I, this quote that he had in a recent enough, like 2023 interview with a Hollywood reporter was actually like the best summation of like, why this movie works? Is he, he, they were asking him, like, what was your idea for the movie? And he goes, as children, we often think the world revolves around us. I thought it would be interesting if it did. And then he goes, it was that along with my lifelong, inescapable paranoia that we are being lied to. And it's so you basically take Frank Capra and Alpha Hitchcock and you put it together. And that's what this movie is. Well, so, wow. That's great. Yeah. So they did 16 drafts. We're wondering to be a little funnier. And then reality really started to tick off a little bit too and made it a little bit easier. Is it better if you don't know reality TV is coming or if you knew reality TV happened? Like as an experience of watching it, watching it, knowing that survivor and big brother and the challenge and all these fucking crazy shows are coming personally. Love. I mean, look, this movie came out. I was, I was really young when this movie was 10 years old when this movie came out. But I, but like watching it now as an adult, I actually get so much much joy out of like knowing that reality TV is such an interesting social experiment and the like why people watch it, the lengths people are willing to go to watch other people go through things and like how we define reality and like just like just the mercy that we have for people in these scenarios. It's like a very interesting thing that I like watching it now, I think is an adult, I appreciate it because it feels like it's possible. Like I know it's a, I think there's like, you know, the real estate question of how you actually build something like this, how you control something like this, but I think on a level if it were feasible financially or practically a network would do this in a heartbeat. >> I mean, and legally, yeah. If it were feasible, I would argue though, like you're legitimately famous. Like your life is a little Truman show-ish every day because you're walking around this world, but when people see you and wherever, they're like, hey, yeah, which is a little like what this movie is doing, but the people can't, they kind of, you can just see their body language change when they see it. But it's a little similar, right? >> Yeah, I mean, I think that's been an interesting adjustment is you still walk through the the world the same and then sometimes you have those moments where you kind of look up and you're like, oh, this is, okay, everybody, you know, it is a little bit of a feroid thriller sometimes. >> Yeah, yeah, I know it's hard for CR. >> It's brutal, yeah. >> We're going to take a break and then I want to talk about the Oscars with this, which I was fascinated by. >> This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Life's full of decisions big and small. Sometimes you can make one that you really stand behind. Like the rewatchables, we felt like there was an opening in 2017 for a podcast directly devoted to movies because we had done it on the BS podcast in 2015. We did a 20th anniversary podcast about heat. And it felt like that was an idea for a bigger podcast. We stuck to our guns. State Farm gets it. Making confident choices can make all the difference. 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The Oscars, there's a different path for a comedian getting to that stage in my opinion. >> It's a little bias. >> I think you earn it in a different way. >> Second the NFL, you have to be a one or two seat to win the MVP or else they don't take you seriously. >> Jack Prescott, exactly. >> Just dead man. >> I've got a hell of a seat and make you so happy. >> Yeah, it's kind of go 13 to 4. So, Craig, were you shocked that he didn't win? That didn't you get nominated for this? >> Yes, yeah, 100% needed to get nominated. >> I actually thought he did. >> Like, Robert Downey Jr. got a nom for Travis Thunder. >> Yep. >> I mean, Johnny Depp for Pirates is kind of a comedy role, gotten nominated. >> But like, those are dramatic actors that are doing a comedic thing and are sort of honored. I think it's a different thing for someone who's a true comedian. >> It's a bias. >> Yeah. >> I coming to that stage. >> Robin Wayne is eventually a guy over it. >> Because I think Good Morning, V&O, I'm a big one for him. >> This is a wild Oscar. >> Well, Benini wins for Life is Beautiful. >> Yeah. >> Hank's, Private Ryan, Ian McCallan, Gods and Monsters, Nick Nolte, Affliction, and then Ed Norton, American History Act. >> That was a good year. >> The two-handed duck, that's what that's what it was. >> That's what it was. >> But yeah, if you do it over again, I think Kerry is one of the five. >> Yeah, I absolutely want to, I think one of his two or three best. Would people say Eternal Sunshine over this? >> I would, I would have. >> For the best ever. >> This over Eternal, but it was more tough for all, in my opinion. >> Yeah, I think Eternal Sunshine is a brilliant premise that's like a really emotionally driven brilliant premise. I think this one, the, as an actor, you go into a role and you know sort of how high that that tight rope is off the ground is a really high toe rope. >> So we're got nominated Spielberg, one for Private Ryan. >> And then the script, I think it was Shakespeare in love. I don't know, there you go. >> $60 million about you made $264 million. We used to go see movies. >> Well, that one's coming back. >> That's coming back, baby. >> That's the perfect return on it, right? It's like 60, we're not over our heads here. 200 and whatever is like a huge hit. >> We didn't have a hollered reporter back then going, it still hasn't made the movie funny back. They spent $271 million. >> It really is a whole thing where you sit there like, who cares? >> I'm just like a big believer in cheering for everyone in this business. I think like that's a thing that it's really hard to take big swings and have big wins in this business. And like when a movie wins, like one battle after another, I freaking love this movie. >> Yeah. >> And I was like, I'm cheering for that thing to win. I hate when people like-- >> Yeah. >> Yuck your yum and you're like, well, but it didn't really-- >> It did with centers too, which is so dumb. Cisco and Ebert gave this movie two thumbs up on TV. And I don't remember seeing this before. >> And on air apology to Jim Carrey because they said after Ace Ventura a pet detective, which they hated, they said he would never have a movie career. >> You're kidding. And four years later, they love this movie. >> People hated Carrey when he-- like my dad was a full critic like these guys. And like I just remember him like sitting through the farting and him just being like, I can't do this and like this guy is such a joke. And then like five years later, yeah, the Ace Ventura cut off line is probably like 45. Somehow I'm way over it and I still think it's hilarious. But a certain type of older person thought it was like the worst thing that I've ever been inflicted on man. >> If it's a two-year-old haggard film critics were like, I can't. >> Yeah, she's just like, I'm done. >> She should be in the head right now. >> I don't know if it's a soldier. I mean, it really-- that is one of those things that is the dumbest premise and it only works because of full commitment to creating jokes out of nothing. >> Can I ask you a question? >> You're either going to laugh at that or you're not. >> You're not. You can't explain that. >> No, I'm talking this but you're either going to hate that or love it. >> That's it anyway. >> The Rhino in "When Nature Calls," I think it's still one of the greatest physical gags of all time. >> So, Ebert Forstars absolutely loved it, talked about how it brought in focus. The new values that technology is forcing on humanity because we can engineer genetics, because we can telecast real lives. Of course, we must, right? But are these good things to do? The irony is the people who will finally answer that question will be the very ones produced by the process. >> I just saw the world coming. >> Yeah. >> But Gatica, which was the other one, Niko Rova, was fascinated in this world too. >> Yeah. >> What's going to happen when technology takes over? >> And he was like, these two movies are basically related for me. >> The good news is, technology is fine now. I think it's going great. >> I think we're doing it, man. >> Yeah. >> Nothing on the horizon to worry about it. >> It sounds like there's big scary companies there. I think it's going to-- >> I'm sleeping tight, yeah. >> It's time for one of our favorite segments. The most rewatchable scene, and it's brought to you today by PayPal. When you want to make the most of your money, head to the PayPal app, save the 5% pay later offer before you check out, to give you the flexibility to pay in for no fees, no interest. >> All right, we're doing the categories. Thankfully, Glenn has listened to the podcast, and he's excited. Most rewatchable scene is to start. I'm just going to throw out the ones I had, and if I missed any, tell me. But the opening, how it opens like the show. >> With your stuff. >> With your stuff. >> Yeah, and you're like, what's going on? I thought Peter Weirder acted in this movie. But he has that thing where he says, I like how it's a reality show, convincing people that it's real life, and that it's better than acting. Meanwhile, nothing at all is real, and it's like, okay. >> Yeah, like to sit down and interview. >> Yeah, I'm in. Truman's flashback to being in love with the other girl in high school. >> Yes, with Warren, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. In that whole sequence, the way she looks at him, I like movies when you get an actor to look at another actor like that, with just real love and affection. I think it's underrated. She gets the most bang for her buck for probably having a fewest lines in this movie. >> This is like corn lines. >> Yeah, over the whole movie, we just look. Truman starts to figure it out with the radio frequency in the car. >> Love that, see you. >> Hospital. Spine, the feed you ticket with the makeup bib. The lady still feels like to take the bag off the bus breaks down. So we got that. Truman tries to escape with Merrill. >> Yep. >> Finally drives over the water that catch him. Now you know, it's bad. Quickly, the moco-coco scene when he's like- >> That's great. >> Who are you talking to? >> She's just doing that thing. Marlon's heart to heart with Truman. >> If I'm in on it, everyone, if everyone's in on it, it means I like to do it. >> Yeah, but also Kristoff's giving him the lines. >> And he's kind of being like God damn it. >> Big reveal, so they don't reveal this. It's like the 50-minute mark of the movie. >> It's incredible. And it's like, and now we wide back. There's a crew watching and we're like, holy shit. This was- this is what we're doing. Like it doesn't really set in, right? >> Yeah, that's how it all works. Whole universe watching Truman's crying when he sees his dad. >> That's a good moment. >> There's a theory he's crying because he knows that his whole life's been a lie. >> He's not crying because his dad sees that again. He's crying because he's like holy shit up there. >> Yeah, because right after that moment, he's on to everything. >> I would love to ask Jim Kerr that question. >> Ready, he plays. it both ways. Yeah. We're like, yeah, doing it. Truman escapes in the basement. A little Shaw shankish. Yeah. For sure. Dark Truman's sailboat adventure with Christoph go and heal the great wave machine Old Testament. Yeah, he was. Yeah. Do it up. Put it up to the danger. I want to point out the score. A good score in this movie, especially the scene. And then when he hits the end of the world, it's the best. You're like, wait, what happened? Maybe most, one of the most iconic endings to. Yeah. Certainly. Truman says goodbye. I don't know. Any other in to throw it? No, I bring it up score. I think the moment that he's kind of discovering things like where he's turning on that street and then he's like, he's stopping the bus and he's starting to kind of put it all together. There's the score behind that. I realize that I go, oh, I think in any other director's hands, they start playing it like a little bit more paranoid and kind of built in tension. Yeah. He played it triumphantly. Right. It was an interesting thing where it makes you like root for Truman. Right. Like, oh, it's almost like, oh, he's putting it together and we're like on the page of going, oh, let's go Truman. Like he's putting it together. It's like a. That's a fill of glass. I think the old glass like it. But I thought it was a really brilliant musical cue because it trains the audience to root for him rather than. Let's do that with the Miami Vice-3 maker with the three of us. Yeah. Yeah. Hashtag. Yeah. So what do you have for most rewatchable? Most rewatchable. I think that scene, I think that scene is the most rewatchable scene is him putting it all together. He's right. Yeah. That's when he discovers the set. It goes through the revolving door and then he just sort of like starting in a like, yeah, he's starting to see the ones and zeros. It's a wish fulfillment of the whole movie in my opinion. Yeah. I've seen this movie multiple times and it still takes me back when he hits, when he hits the end. Yeah. You're like, oh, today's the dish of the most rewatchable scene was brought to you by PayPal. This is big. Bigger than the 12 foot snowman on your lawn right now, you can get 5% cash back when you pay later with PayPal. So whether it's a must-have toy or a tiered cheese board, PayPal helps make the most of your money this holiday save the offer and the PayPal app expires 1231. See PayPal.com/promo term subject to approval. PayPal Inc. NMLS 910457. What's the most 1998 thing about this movie? Did I prepare for this one? Yeah. Most 1998, I think the travel agent. Oh, that's a great one. Let's get prepared. Go ahead and send the high bar for any future. I had a very negative experience with the travel agent today and I was just like, how is this happening? Like, I've called you once in 10 years. Right? You can't make this work for me. What do you have for 98? Reality television being like a novel idea, just sort of the idea that like when you would have seen this movie in 1998, this would have seen been incredibly far-fetched. And now it seems like, oh, yeah, isn't there a Truman show on channel 236 that I don't know about? That's a good one. I had young Paul G. Amade. I don't know. Just jumped out to me. He aged the, wait, age the best. No, just that it made seeing young Paul G. Amade made me feel like I was in the mid 1990s because he was in private parts with Howard Stern. And my best friend, that's the average of him. He's the bell hop in my best friend's wedding. Yeah, yeah. He just said he had this whole, that guy run in the 90s. Yeah. Before he became Paul G. Amade. Yeah. And then he did the wine movie that we've already done. Yeah, of course, I'm blanking on. But yes, he did sideways and he became Paul G. Amade. But for 10 years, he was just like this guy, weird facial hair. Yeah. Anyway, what's age the best? Well, what do you have? Let me see what I've seen. I'll do a couple where you're looking up. I like movies when adults play high school kids and flashbacks, and I actually feel like they're in high school. Yep. Because people, they usually mangle that. Yeah. I actually, like, believed like Laura Lenny was like when they all met together. Thirty's a good age to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get away with it. Yeah. Carrie actually looked young enough. So I was fine that he, you know what? I wrote down for what age the best. Yeah. Product placement. Oh, yeah. I think they sort of like they just, they kind of brush it under the rug of the product placement, how many, how the entire world, I product placement and post game shows for TV shows. Like recap shows basically. Yeah. This movie, this is probably for a different category in a lot of ways, like predicts Amazon because when you're watching an Amazon show, they're also like you can buy whatever anybody's wearing in this, right? Or you can buy like the stuff that they're using. So it's kind of, you don't think this is the gambling content. Like we didn't have Truman making a same game. Yeah. You know what I thought about that? Like there was like this one bar. Like have they, they keep, I never noticed the, the, the, the, the sort of aprons before, but it's not just a bar. It's a Truman show. Yeah. It's like bubblegum strip. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. I was like, that kind of took me out of it a little bit. I kind of wanted to feel a little more universal. But I thought about in that bar, you have to have some gambling in that bar. Well, he does do two to one odds on. He's going to, he's a, like the bartender does do like, I'm taking odds on him getting out of this getting across the ocean here. You should never see the app. I was going to do this later. I'll just do this now since you brought it up. So people are going to the bar. They're just having drinks and food at the Truman show. Truman shows on. Are they allowed to talk about anything else? You see that. But if I opened a bar called Miami Vice, where am I? Guys, we just had mojitos. It's not a terrible. This is what, this is what, what was the one that's still low in and Bruce Willis opened? The probably Hollywood. Yeah. Right. You know, there's like, I always love the Rainforest Cafe. I love, I love a themed restaurant. Yeah. You know, I mean, do you think there were some people that went to the Truman bar and were like, I'll go to the Truman bar. I'm not fucking talking about the Truman shop. It's not anything else. It's got great ribs. They got great ribs. Product placement could have been a little more subtle. That's my one knock is I think that they, they could have bit like, there was the twin guys that they're pushing against. I'm like, he would have figured that out. Lorelin is like kind of really selling it. Like in the middle of that very intense moment, she has to promote. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to do that right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought the best Seacrest idea for what sage the best. No cats. Just dogs. Sea Haven. Sea Haven. Yeah. There is no cats in the secret. They're no cats. There's a cat in the control room. Very dog friendly, though. No cats. Very interesting thing to notice. Interesting. I just, I'm only saying this for Mallory Ruben because she works with us and she's going to be furious that I enjoyed a world with no cats. When I was shooting Expendables 3 in Bulgaria. See no more. What a start to the sentence. There was, there was, there's a city. So the city of Sofia, Bulgaria is like overrun with dogs. All dogs. Yeah. And then there's a city called plovative that is overrun with cats. And I visited them like, like, I was like, what a weird thing to have. Do they have any sharks and jets? I was like, there's going to be a war that happens when these two cities meet. We said Mallory there before fact. The, what sage the best, the poster, which I think is one of the best posters from the decade. It was done by an artist named Rob Silverman. Hundreds of carried things that he just worked on forever and they paid $75,000 for it. That's it. Wow. That is a great, that is a great, would you say it premiered? The poster or the, no, the, the actual movie. Oh, I don't know. Was it a festival or was it like a, I think it just, I think it was just a really fun. I think they pushed it because they wanted it to go for Oscars. Yeah, premiered in June in LA. In LA. It was supposed to be 97. And then the Titanic literally was this big boat coming for everybody. And they were like, let's go 98. Better chance for the Oscars. What else do you have for what's age the best? Age the best. I do, I do think that the, the ending, the ending is, is perfect. One of the great endings. I just think, I think the, the bow at the end, the wish with the one of it, you get that thing that I love in movies with just like the laugh cry. Yeah. Like right. You cut to the world. Like, like the guy in the bathtub just like slap in the wall. Like you, you, you kind of have that emotional reaction where you're like simultaneously sad, it's ending, but also like so happy for a guy. It's a very sad thing with VJ and the end of Joe Ellen Beach career happening in save time. Is that a laugh cry? Do you have any what's age the best? I got a bunch. This movie passes the Raiders of the Lost Arc screenplay test that I'm inventing, not inventing, but it's like, I think every 10 pages or 10 minutes of this movie, something really important happens and it makes you so engaged like on a kind of almost subconscious level with it. You anticipate almost like a thriller, even though it's like this drama comedy, but I was just, I was, I was realized this last night at 10 minutes, he can't get on the boat. You're like, why not? 20 minutes, we meet Lauren. 30 minutes, he discovers the set. 40 minutes, he sees the fingers crossed wedding picture. Yep. 50 minutes. The cop says Truman's name when he's like, yeah, no problem. Truman or whatever. Thanks Truman. He's like, what the fuck? And then at 60, he gets reunited with his dad and you see Christ off in the control room. And then it's like the last 30 minutes, which is just crazy. But the way that they have that rhythm to discovery in this movie, it's just kind of disorienting enough. And then you're like, oh, it's paced, it's paced out well. I heard that there was a version of the script in which we don't even realize that Truman is in a simulation until the midpoint. See, this is what I wanted to ask about is like whether or not you guys think that's the drop at opening 30 seconds or two minutes of the movie. That's is what makes it rewatchable because you're like, I kind of know just enough about this being weird. But if you just have it play like a six cents twist, it's it's different. Yeah, people are stupid. I think - You have to cater to that one, baby. (laughing) - I have to hold their hand every once in a while with something like this. I think that's why. What else do you have? - I had them doing T-Rex, 20th century boy, as like a 1950s sock hop jam, because like, you know, what is music in this world? And like how would they have, like what does he know about like rock and roll or whatever, is time stop in the 50s? And so like the fact that they're covering a 1970s glam rock song that's obviously very popular, but making it sound like Chuck Berry or something like that, is a kind of interesting idea about what they would do for like, to keep this guy like engaged with culture inside of this world. - They just didn't want to pay for the rights. - That is possible. - Right, you know what's funny though, is I actually flagged that scene, is actually I think one of the best directed scenes in the whole movie. - The dance. - The dance. I think that dance is like poetry. - Yeah. - It is done with looks, it's fun, it's paranoid, it's like, it's got a sense of the world to it, and it like, it does so much heavy lifting in a very short amount of time in the whole movie. - I had a, don't get freaked out. Deaths at C in movies. - Oh. - I think our O is riveting, and I was, I almost wanted to do like my top tier, best one's ever and that's the best season for weird. 'Cause ordinary people has a great one. - Yeah. - This one has a really good one. - Jaws, perfect storm, perfect storm. But the one where you're like, it's just hold on, and the guy said, I can't fall back. - Titanic is probably visually. - Titanic's another one, but visually it's, oh, it always works. - Yeah, it does. - It's always on the run and it's like, oh, he's not going to be able to hold on, is he? - No, no, I got it, I got it. - I mean, that's where the movie takes on a really dark thing. You're like, oh, what they're willing to do to keep this guy here. - So what has, so he goes under, and what do they have like a scubaid at? - They show a clip of it. - They show a clip of like, he's like, I think I'm making this up, but it seemed like the dad was like, upset with being taken off the show. - Yeah, he's in the montage when Christophe does his interview. - Yeah. - And they show the dad being like upset about it. - Yeah, yeah. - Yes. - Yeah, his storyline was kind of-- - Yeah, the divers are in the water getting the dad, right? - Quick ones, big food burger, where best use of food and drink, the moco-coco coffee. - I come back. - I had chef's pal, Dicer Grader and Pilarol. - Oh, that's good, yeah. - Yeah, I think those are the two. I mean, the moco-coco I think is maybe the most iconic. - By the way, not bad. The name for a coffee. - They could have honestly paid for this movie with the amount of product placement they did within this movie. - Great shot, Gordo, most cinematic shot. What do you have for Sierra? - Truman going through the revolving door, like with the kind of like realization that something is changing, or the last shot of the movie I'm walking into, the black doorway. - I like-- - When they finally stopped the storm, and they go the-- - Oh, with the bull shot. - Yeah, yeah, why? - And he was like this and you don't know if he's dead or not, and then, I don't know, I just thought that looked cool with the sun come up. - I loved Ed Harris touching his face on the screen. - Oh, yeah. - I thought that was a very like a moment where you started seeing this like father's, this like really messed up father son thing. - Yeah. - Yeah, but in words, like he's obsessed with his creation. I was like, that was a moment that's like a very cool visual moment that like kind of sums up the whole dynamic. - Chess Rockwell, Brock Leonard's the word for best character name. - Hey, Christophe's really good. It's such a douchey. - Yeah. - Obviously, this guy with the vote is like a traumatic Truman. His name's Christophe. It's the last name. - It's the backwards beret, too, with the glasses. - Because the full douche on us. - Truman Burbank is pretty good. - Truman Burbank's good. - Truman Burbank, I mean, Christophe, by the way, it's the whole thing that they talked about is like Christ, Christophe that he's playing God in the voice of God. - You know, and he's like a one name guy, you know. Truman, Truman, you know, like they're, again, there was like a lot of intention and all that, but I think Truman Burbank kind of like, I don't know. - I'm gonna have a second draft. - Yeah. (laughing) - It Truman Burbank sounds like the left tackle and the jag was. - Yeah. (laughing) - CR, you have a flex category. - So this is a category that's not normally in the rundown, but CR has carte blanche to pick any categories. - Okay, so I am choosing an honor of Heat, it's a book about Metals Award for Bladedly Best Quote or Exchange. The one that sticks with me the most 'cause it gets overridden by Truman redoing good afternoon, good evening. And if I don't see a good night or whatever, I love when he's like, you never had a camera in my head. The way he says that and like the idea that there has to be a limit to like surveillance or like the way that how much you can know somebody. And I thought that was like such an incredible like grace note to go out of him. So I always liked that one. - My favorite was the two security guys, where you see them like, you know, they're about to, you know, the husband and wife are about to get intimate and you basically cut to the security guards. Just like, you know, they never show it. You know, he's like, you just cut to the curtain. They blow a little bit and he's like, they never show it. It's my favorite way to like get plot out. Like to literally go like, hey, just like you're like, we are, what are they showing? What are they not showing? But it is also one of my favorite rack, like my favorite, I'm like, I want to live with these guys. - Yeah, they're parking lots in the guys. - Brilliant line delivery too. - I have a bonus category. The Ed Norton reverse dunk award for this movie need a random sports scene. Like, could there have been a double A baseball situation going on here? - That's a really good question. Does Truman get Yankee scores or something or do they create like a fake baseball lead for him to follow? - Was there a whole sport staff just writing fake stories about players that didn't exist? - It's actually a really fun. I mean, this is where the first AD comes in. That's a whole props department conversation. - They're making a full newspaper every day. So what's in the news? - Is there a sports version? - Yeah. Well, their newspaper seems to be just to cover up their own plot holes, right? Their newspaper seems to be very reactive to things falling out of the sky and ways they've messed up. - But I always thought about that in terms of, obviously they're trying to mimic the real world. So they're trying to not like create a new reality. So people that are watching the show obviously want to see like their reality reflected in a weird way. But also the more you do that, the more you're sort of looking to the outside world. It creates like a sense of longing that there's something outside of sea heaven that I thought was like an interesting. Maybe La Crosse could have worked. They got the helmets. - Yeah. - You never would know who the players are. - That would be funny if he comes out of the studio. And he's like, "So, like what's going on in the world of a cross?" Like the writers are just like, "Scary." The Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. What'd you have for this Glen? - I know a lot of people are probably getting, but somebody's gonna say Marlin. I didn't have Marlin. - I know I'm Marlin on there. - I think it could. There could, so go tell me why. - I actually don't think Marlin's the weak link of the movie. I find that I find the dad storyline. I think I could have been better in my personal opinion. I think he's sort of like we could have cast the net a little bit wider. - In the research, they said there were extra Marlin scenes that made him like just a little deeper of a character. - Like more than a figure. - Yes, or like he tries to actually help Truman at one point. - Oh, really? - I could totally see that. The reality is it's a very one dimensional character. I like the idea that they built this entire backstory that he's known him since seven. But the thing that I kept being really interested in is how did that seven year old get cast? What does his life look like? What is the things that he's been living with? How is this a factor? That's what I'm saying. He's a child actor too. He's sort of in this different experience. He signed up at seven. I was like really interested in what that, when your best friend in the whole world is going through this crisis. Like what it actually looks like. I was like, that's cool. - Pretty cool. - Oh, I'm kind of surprised that we'll get to that. - What do you have for a week Link? - I don't have a week as Link really. I think that I hear you about the dad. You know, it's like I wonder whether or not, like if that had been like Dennis Hopper. - Yeah. - Does that have a factor? - What if I was an actor? That's just hair. - Yeah. - Come in more emotional. I feel like that storyline. 'Cause I feel like that storyline inherently is a one that opens up a whole can of worms plot-wise. Like how does he sneak back onto the studio? What's the conversation of getting him back on? Like if he's already having second thoughts about this. Like that's a whole other thing. But I go, if you had somebody that was like really, like someone that already had all this like empathetic or you know, empathetic nature, we had a history like a hanks or like a hopper, something that we've trusted before. I think you engage with that more differently. - I had a, I don't know what was fun about watching this TV show for 24 hours a day. (laughing) I think I would have, I would have- - The crew's blowing when that. - I just think at some point. I'm like, all right, let me guess. He's gonna wake up, say hi to the neighbors. Drive to work. - Yeah, it's good. - They present it like there have been moments on the show that are as big as the Princess Diana Prince Charles went. And that like people are like doing like live aid size crowds to watch Truman get married. And I get it 'cause like that's the obvious nod that they're making, but it is sort of like, what are you doing on Wednesday at 9.30 p.m. when Truman's like cutting his nails? Are you at the Truman bar? Be like, yeah. - Truman. (laughing) - Truman at that rate is it. (laughing) - What stage is the worst? - I'll say this, the CGI to pull off the Princess Diana wedding shots. - Yeah. - The outside world. - Yeah. - I personally think that the, what's age of the worst is like number one, the CGI of the actual bubble. - Right. - Yes. - That I was like, okay, we could've-- - So it was so early. - Yeah, you could almost like redo that for the Criterian relationship. - No, 100%. - We're gonna just spend a little bit more time on this thing 'cause it's kind of like one of the wish fulfillment things of the whole movie. But I just think the cutbacks to the real world, I would have wanted to see a little bit more ripple effects of the real world interacting. That was mine. What's the, like, I honestly, even in 1998, it would have been cool if they got a little bit more into the ethical and legal entanglements that this thing would have inevitably. I guess it is cool that it's like this is just a runaway hit that even these few naysayers who tried to disrupt it, they just become part of it almost. And like when he's talking to Warren in the interview and he's like, no, no, no, I love reconnecting with cast members, even though she's saying that he's a liar and like evil. But I do think it would have been cool. Like what's like the, what is like the Supreme Court think about like a child being born to a corporation, you know? Lauren would have been, we should have had her on Wednesday just the best as somebody who's now devoted their life to, like, now I'm gonna be so much easier to be like totally. Come to our website. Here's my Truman podcast. >> Yeah. >> And you'd have nine things. >> There is something really fun about also the fact that like that, that was one of the things where I'm like there, the fact that you took a kid, raised him in this bubble, had lied to him in this whole thing. I'm like, there would be a lot of people trying to break into this. >> Yes. >> This place. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? That's why I was like when the dad likes to knock back. >> There would be like, presidents running on it. And I was shut down. >> And Truman's show. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> What say is the worst? They filmed all the scenes of Truman's house at a residence in Florida that was Matt Gates's childhood home. I did hear this. >> I did not know that. So at TV, I just like McConaughey, that was just a tough beat for him to follow this movie with a similar premise. >> Yeah. >> It's where the agent could have maybe been like, no, no, no, no, carry Peter Weir thing. It always happened over the course of time. It's like you release like White House down and then release like Olympus is falling. >> Two deep pre-fantame. >> The pre-fantame. >> The best one ever. >> The two in a row. And then one was awesome with that limits. My last would say, we're so marrow, Laura Lenny's character, so professional escort. >> Well, an actor who has a fake marriage with somebody that she's clearly having sex with. >> Yeah. >> I mean, this is what's her next job after this? >> Yeah, because at 34, and presumably she might have had a child with Truman by this point, but if they're like, look, at 35, you can just get you divorced and you can move out of C Haven or whatever. >> She'd drown you. >> What is the late 30s looking like for her after that? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> You know the Truman Show got a lot of hair. >> Yeah. >> What is the next job look like after the Truman Show? >> I have a text on camera. It was a little weird. >> I never, never understood that. >> She thinks her career is going to look a little different after the Truman Show. >> Yeah. >> She's like, I'm going to be in like, out of Africa, right? Roughlow Hand, Ribbon at Partridge over Acting Award. Did you have one? >> I, Filmmaker Hall makes the most out of, I mean, he's still always majoring up singing. >> But he's just like, the network, I'm the president of the network. >> Yeah. >> I have a tip. That's a good one. All right. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how does take a word? >> Did you bring a how does take? >> I'll tell you my how does take. >> Two things. >> I love Jim Carrey in this movie. >> Wow. >> Because I do think this movie could have potentially been really good with Tom Hanks. >> Wow. >> You got to go for the head there. That's great. So talk us through it. >> You almost said Tom Cruise or you said that Tom has a cruise? >> No, the thing with cruise, it turns into the, you know, you know, it's like what you don't want to do is you don't want to feel like a paranoid thriller. The reason Jim Carrey is so good in this movie is it takes, it brushes all that away. It's a guy who's grown up in a, you know, a very manicured existence. I will say that for me, Hanks represents the every man that you sort of root for. Like, he sort of feels like a guy, like some of these moments would just be a little more subtle. I don't know if they'd be as much fun to watch, but I would engage with the movie. I think with the Tom Hanks in a different way because he doesn't feel like an every man. Like, you, again, we can talk about, we only get so many buy-ins of the movie. I feel like the buy-in is that now you have a normal guy who's realizing that he's not normal. Jim Carrey is so over the top as a person. Obviously, his existence has been manicured, so you could justify that. But I find that Hanks would represent a little bit more of an every man who's realizing that he represents something to the world and that debate of do I leave this existence or stay here? I think it just be a different, it would be a different movie, but I would love to see what that movie looks like. And then, I think, I think it's a different movie. over the bridge. - Yes. (laughing) - Self-hosting, the end would just be small. - He's definitely hanging from the cell phone. - No, he's hanging from the moon, man. - He's filming his own cell phone scene. - No, no, this has to be an actual action movie. - This is gonna be the actual moon. - Yeah. - I want you to hit me with real ways. What do you have for out of steak? - Kind of similar to what Glenn said. I would have, the first director attached, this movie was Brian Dupalma. And I would love to see these sex trees paranoid Truman's cut enough magazine pictures of women and trying to recreate Lauren like we get maybe Melanie Griffith playing Merrill, you know, there's a go. Yeah. Just a lot more like I think of the sort of debased psychology of this character. They definitely have sex on the beach. Yeah. I mean, it could have come out that way and I just All right. Mine's a little complex. I think 1998 is in the running for the greatest checking all the boxes movie year we've ever had. Okay. So I'm going to give you all these different categories that I created five minutes ago. All these different types of movies that can come out any year. Yeah. Drama. Save and Prepper Wayne. Provocative drama. American History X. Foreign. Life is beautiful. Beloved movie nerd movie. At a site. Guys movie. Rounders. Great comedy. There's something about Mary. Cult comedy. Big Lebowski. Goofy comedy. Wedding singer. Conspiracy. Enemy of the state. Political primary colors. War. Thin red line. Sports movie. He got game. Horror. Halloween. H2O. Action. Armageddon. Well done. For me and C.R. Action. Ronan. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, C.R. sci-fi Truman show. Sci-fi horror blade. You know what that is? Like, "Courney drama. Patch Adams. High school. Can't hardly wait. Fucked up indie movie. Your friends and neighbors." You see that one? No. It's a fucked up indie movie. TV TV X Files. Animated a bug's life. And kids parent trap. That's a damn good movie. If you use all that. Like, think about how many categories I just listed. And we have an awesome one for each one. Let's get. Let's go back. It's a shame. It's a 98. Yeah. Let's make this happen again in 2016. It would be amazing if Fennacy had been here. And he was like, actually, it's 1934. I know. Like, like. Tucky Bartoo. Like, you know, like. But I just, I felt like we had so much more variety. I know TV's ruined some of this. Yeah. Some of the stuff goes scripted. Like, if you did Chad Powers. Yeah. In '98, it just would have been a 90-minute sports movie. Well, I think one of the things that we talked about is, is potentially doing it as a movie. But what you start to realize is we, in the way that I conceptualize it, is I was like, do I want to see the Breaking Bad movie before the Breaking Bad Show? Right. You want to watch Walter White incrementally make decisions that change. You want to be with him on every single one of those things. It doesn't have as much satisfaction if you-- But in '98, you don't have that choice. They're like-- No. You have 100 minutes back. Yeah. And it's $14 million, and you can have two stars. Yeah. Go. It's also like-- You go back to those years, and you look at the calendar releases. You were at the movies once a week, if not two or three. Come back, we had a lot-- this was an awesome movie here, and it feels like-- Yeah. It feels like we're climbing back. I also feel like when-- you know, people always think that, like, TikTok or Instagram, like, you know, Siphon, you know, eyeballs away from movies. I also feel like it also connects us into those cultural moments that really resonate. Like, I feel like those things say, like, hey, this thing's awesome. I just think you can't-- there's like this era that I feel like people just accepted that people went to the movies. There's like the '98 where you're like, all those movies are killer movies. Yeah. And now that there was, like, a thing where, like, oh, we just accepted that move people go to the movies. And there wasn't as much, like, artistry or intention behind it. And I think we're coming back to where it's like the only way you open a movie is when it's really damn good. Yeah. Right. The word of mouth is pretty running, man. Yeah. November 14th. Oh, we're getting that. Yeah. But that's the only way you actually get to people to go to the movies. Because, like, ahead of time, like, two, three weeks ahead of time, you know if it's a stinker or not. You know? You might-- with running man, you might just have to be, like, got to see in the IMAX. That just seems to work now. Like, rewatch was episode of Glenn Powell. You gotta see in the IMAX. You know what? It's totally different. The second time I saw one battle, I just saw it, like, you know, in a relatively half full, like regular AMC theater. And I was like, this is still awesome. Yeah. You know, it's like, you don't always have to, like, go to the greatest possible experience. I will say when we, when shooting, like, it always bums me out when people tell me, like, they saw Top Gun on an airplane. I'm like, no, you just missed out on the whole, like, I'm off there. You know, there is puking and passing out in jets and, like, you know, we shoot it all in IMAX. Right. You invented cameras for things that was, like, so much. And I'm like, to experience that movie in IMAX was such a-- Well, it's, like, even it's, like, it's like watching-- Dude, dude, we're saluting the screen in one of the theaters. Right. That was-- That was, like, the first welcome back to movies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a while. Let's take one more break. And then we gotta zoom through the rest of this. The price tag was 20 million of movie at the time, 10 less than Glenn. But he took 12. That's a little discount. And he said it was the fastest he'd ever accept the role. There's some stuff about they talk to Sam Jackson. I might shit detector we're not funny and believe it Gary old news the other when they did screen tests for yeah But I don't think they actually offered it to him. Yeah, there's a carry fallback Dennis Hopper was supposed to be Christophe and was Christophe and film two days of scenes and then they talked to adheros about this I shot him with adheros and he said he got cast like a couple days before he shot this. Yeah, so hopper said he got fired after two days Because we're in Scott root and the producer didn't like him Hopper leaves they try to get Jack Nicholson Nicholson's buddies with Hopper is like I can't do that So they end up with adheros and Brad the palma turned it down as CR mentioned Which is a different move it to say the least Terry Gillian and Barry Sonnefeld were also circling interesting Yeah, Terry Gillian would have made a very interesting film out of this best that guy word it can't go to GMati because he's now Paul GMati But the Asian guy from Karate kid to the guy Daniel son fights in the end the evil guy Wish him a Snyder oh the big guy. Yeah, you're talking to the big guy. No, the guy Daniel son Karate kid to wait He's in this movie. Yeah. Yeah, he's a family. They're hanging out at the table watching. Yeah, that's that's you're kidding Yeah, I totally missed that he he regrouped after Daniel son It got really into trimming shell. Yeah, waiters a word. Are we given this to Natasha? No, this goes to GMati GMati's in like four scenes He is ridiculous in this movie like this is a nothing nothing burger Yeah, really is and when he's just like he doesn't even care if he drowns I'm like, oh my god. It's very grounded. Yeah, it's a very grounded performance for knowing that he probably shot Two days on the soundstage and you agree with GMati? No, you know, you know what I you know what a role is the the the woman who's next to him Giamani. Oh, yes, yeah, I find what's really really funny about that performance. I think her name is Chloe She they shoot her I don't I wonder what happened in the edit because they shoot her like she's a super important character In several of the most pivotal moments, but she never says but she never says yeah, like you know what I mean So I was like something happened. I think they just caught her part out. Yeah, man You know like something like a bad fallout and then post or something. I don't know what happened But I never see like in like in movies sometimes where like all of a sudden you see like somebody like that's framed up Important, hmm, like they they they have a really good. It's like deep focus like perfectly And you're like that that's that character comes in you like on your coming like coming up days Cut out of stuff before but but I always just notice it in movies where I'm like, oh that thing is framed importantly and she was framed yeah In all the climactic moment. She's a yeah recasting couch director city as Marlin. Can I can I test drive same Jackson for you guys Uh, it's interesting drive away. What what why just I don't know just volatile You know little more but maybe I just wanted a little extra from Marlin and I'm not sure what I wanted but some sort of Who's sad asiana? I just felt like there was more there. There's more meat on that bone. Yeah, I don't know who the actor of that was one Yeah, we could have been maybe he could have been then then the cross the street neighbors that Truman's always greeting Craig you have flex category. Yeah, so you know, we have the Vincent Chase award for are we sure this character is actually good at his job Yeah, I want to I want to nominate the opposite award and now we're calling it the Christoff Truman show award for the character who is unbelievably good at their job Yeah, Truman. I mean, Christoff threw a perfect game for 35 years. He's like a fucking Jerry Brockheimer Pretty much just him in this room Sniffed out the fact that Truman was was faking sleeping. He's feeding lines to everybody live like the guy is cooking at the highest level Yeah 24 hours a day 24 hours a day. It's just him. He's like the best I will say another thing that that that if we're talking about They were talking about the GDP of this economy that booth had to be bigger than that. I know they really they got they got the the studio called and cut the budget last minute on an interview on a few So the implication though is that they they have put a dome over Burbank, California basically, right? Yeah, they show the continental United States is huge. Are we doing this? Yeah, I mean, this was obviously the biggest nitpick How fucking big was this place? How did they have all the water? How did they have all the electricity? How did nothing ever go wrong? That's one of my even like the staple center has had Like the spear yeah, it's basically like Disney World or something. Yeah, yeah Well also that one of my nitpicks was that I was like Or or or or lights falling from the sky or are isolated thunderstorms happening or are the frequency things happening Is why is this happening now right that I could have just used a little external pressure to understand Why why things are going wrong now because you're right Chris office throwing a perfect game. I mean my god Here she's been doing this radio frequency if that doesn't happen Maybe they'll make it. Yeah, yeah, half as in our research Just quickly. This was filmed in seaside Florida Which is a master plan community in the Florida panhandle. I have no idea what that means What is master planned? Oh, it's like a plan community manufactured home. Yeah Disney was gonna do that stuff like where it was like you would have like these towns They do Disney has one of them very manicured like nobody's building their own houses Like here's the floor planner look cool. Disney has one called kotino and Palm Springs. Why is this what they were doing? Succession and though with this is kind of Roy's thing. Yeah So living with the old people could have media if people coming to visit them Loreline studied Sears catalogs from the 50s to develop proposals that that was interesting Greta Gerwig consulted where for Barbie because she wanted to create that world which made total sense Yeah, I saw that Before the boat steps. We see the number 139 on its sale Which is I guess for some some 139 some interesting there And then carry and provides a bunch of stuff including the true mania bit when he was drawn on the mirror last thing Um, there's this thing called Truman syndrome you wear this That started in the 2000s with people who Have some version of schizophrenia where they believe their labs are reality television shows And the writer said Andrew Nichol said you know you made it when you have a disease named after you These people are constantly think they're being filmed. I have a two more one is another nickel thing Which is the original script is set in Manhattan. It's an alternate alternative to Manhattan Yeah, and it was much darker. There was an innocent passenger attack on a subway that was supposed to test Truman's courage Which is a little Truman show death wish kind of like that and Truman had a platonic relationship with a prostitute who he dressed as Sylvia that would have been the diploma part Wow And then Peter Weir when this movie was like I think after the movie came out He said he had a crazy idea at one time which was impossible technically I would have loved to have had a video camera installed in every theater the film was being seen in At one point the projectionist would cut the power and it would cut to the viewers in the cinema watching the movie But I thought it would be best to leave that idea untested Yeah, that's one of those great idea can't actually happen. Yeah, yeah It's a bit much. We get podcasts pitched to us like that. What if we're Hanging out upside like an NBA game and we're in the next to the jumbo tron. Yeah doing a live broadcast of it. It's like sounds good. Apex bound Jim Carrey I'm gonna say yes. Yeah. This is Apex mountain for Jim Carrey I think of what this is right in the middle of this crazy run that he had 1998 He's got he's had all the success. This is his first drama. Yeah, it's well received liar liars Around there. I think he's like the most powerful actor in Hollywood other than maybe hangs And cruise but cruise is doing eyes wide. That is also a movie where you're like well, you can do anything Yeah, yeah, you actually right. Yeah, because this is like yeah, you're right. This is the end There's this is like not the end of the run, but it is the third act of that that crazy seven-year run that you're talking. Yeah I think it is Laura Lenny not yet Ed Harris What is Laura Lenny's Apex mountain just out of curiosity Which she's had a bunch of them probably somewhere in the early 2000s, all right when she does you can count on me and she just becomes One of the most respected actresses is that one primal fear is probably first right here. Yeah, yeah, somewhere in here Yeah, yeah, okay. Um Ed Harris. I don't know probably early 90s. This is like when he's doing action movies and stuff like yeah He's in a couple of Michael Paul 13s. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's right right here. Yeah, hidden camera movies. Yes Deaths at sea. I still think ordinary people's Well, you made that category up. Yeah You get weirded out. I think you'd be with me. You're like I'm with you But it's just one of those things where it's like I have no idea. I don't know what opinion play that I am These things Peter we're dead poets. Yes You think this over dead poets you know the thing about I think this is a way more complex I think the vision of this movie is way more complex and dead. Okay. I think I think even just the way the camera angles of like where you hide things how you Build this thing. It's it's much more of a world building thing. I think this is a very tough movie to drive Moko Koko coffee definitely. Yeah. Uh, Noah Emmerich probably still beautiful girls It's a big scene. He learned the guys He learned the guys that the back down characters get the shit kicked out of them. I don't know Reality TV warning move is definitely That's all head for apex mountain cruiser hanks we said hanks score says you're Spielberg Spielberg. Yeah. Yeah. What role would Phillip Seymour Hoffman have played? Truman's buddy. That's Marlon. Yeah. He would watch it easily. I think he was probably too young in 98. Yeah. Right. That's a great casting though. That's Marlon. Did you play the Peter Kraus role like the guy who works in the insurance agency with him? What if it was Marlon? Yeah. But he played it exactly like Freddie and Calvin, Mr. Ripley. Hey. Hey Truman. Hey Truman. How's the people? Picking nits. So I'm not even talking 98 when Truman's a kid, were the cameras and Wi-Fi really this good? No. Like in like 1981, we were able to do this. Hard wires. Yeah. Everything's hard. You're right. I was carrying in high school in the late 80s carrying around like, you know, this giant video camera that would like sink your shoulder after 10 minutes. They shot 28 days later on like DV cameras that were really small. Like, I don't know when that comes out like 2001. And that you can barely watch that movie now because of like the film quality. So I don't think Truman show it realistically would have looked like this obviously. We mentioned how did you pay all the actors and extras and was this just their job forever and what was in it for them? If you really want to be, would you have wanted to be an actor in this for 10 years? I mean, it just depends where, like you don't mind one of my favorite scenes is is when he gets on the bus and the guy like pretends to like like to solve the car or whatever. It reminded me like it felt like we were in the far corners of the universe where like he wasn't expecting this to happen. All the all the background on the bus, like just kind of get up and like move like nobody's like as their own life. They're like, Oh, this nobody thought the C team was really going to make it on screen. Yeah. It I did I didn't sort of like that world creation. It felt intentional that nobody felt real. It brings up a really good thing though because on the bus, the little girl breaks. Yes. And is looking at him and it's like, is that him? Is that him? How would you get kids to behave themselves on the show? Like, how would you get a bunch of children to not be like, I watch your TV show. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. You wouldn't. But that's why this movie, we forgot to mention it. So what's age the best Craig hour 41. I know I would argue and this is one of the rare cases where I could have taken 10 more minutes. Oh, Craig's very passionate and no movie should be more than 100 minutes unless there's an incredible reason. Two hours occasionally. I do. Wow. There was a moment. I just, you know, I love a quick movie. But like the woman they introduced to like be his new love interest, that's not I explored at all. You probably could have taken a scene of that. Yeah. I could have seen him unraveling a little bit more, trying to figure things out a little bit more. I know. I could have taken 10 more minutes. Hour 43 is tight. We've done rewatchables where Craig just looks the movie up and it's like 89 minutes and he's like, yes, sir, we know what we're doing right back in these movies, man. What any more picket nets for you? You know, I mean, just the idea that Christoph like goes full, old testament on him at the end and no one is like sort of stopping like right. I thought that was like an opportunity to really world build show the chaos of a man who's like desperate to keep this his creation alive. Yeah. I thought, I thought it felt too calm up in the, well, it's also just like, what's the plan if he's like, oh, okay, I'll stay and Christoph now has a TV show that costs like 500 million dollars a year. Yeah. Also, like he's not the only one invested like there's clearly a giant machine invested in him not getting out of this thing. I just thought, I thought there was interesting ways to explore that. So one picket need I had. So he was just going to kill Truman. What happens if Truman died in the body? I think he was trying to, okay, so I think that's left to pretty risky to the audience to decide. But I was interpreting it as he's trying to traumatize this guy so much in the water that he turns around and goes back and never tries to leave again. Yeah. They can sort of like, now we can try to fix this, but I don't know if he was ever going to murder him. I don't really just say he was born on camera, he'll die on camera kind of, right? Like, I mean, it's like I created you like, you know, like that's what, that's what feels very old testament, but like where it's like, I created you, I can take you, I brought you in. I, you know, everything that you've experienced that's any sort of value I have been a part of. I thought it was a very, I think it's a very, very, that was one of my favorite parts is the, the conversation that happens to the moon like right before he leaves. It's such a, you can list, you can speak to him and I can hear you. Yeah. So good. Speaking of that, my one, picking it, picking it, it's basically the reverse of the overacting award. If I have lived my entire life and found out that it's been a television show and that I sail a boat across the sea and it runs into like a piece of drywall, I'm freaking out. And it's like Jack Woltz with the horse head and it's like, there's no like, oh, weird. I'm going to try it by the door. I am losing my mind. That's a great point. Truman, Jerk and off having sex, all that stuff, like that's, I, I know they just went to commercial or whatever they did, but they ever cut to commercial. Taking a dump. There's a lot of stuff that if you don't know you're being filmed all the time, maybe wouldn't have been good for Truman. Yeah. I don't know. Also, never showing a second shift in the moon. That's right. Ooh. Same, same cast of six characters in the moon 24 hours a day for 30, that's right. Five seasons. Yeah. It's a tough gig. Yeah. Sequel, prequel, Prestige, TV, all by cast are untouchable. We, you talked to me in a prequel. Nope. It's Prestige TV, maybe, but I think this is untouchable. I think Prestige TV would have been an interesting approach. Can I pitch you on a sequel? Yeah. So he has a kid with Laura Lennie. He impregnates her and then while she's pregnant or maybe even before he knows she's pregnant, he escapes. The new baby is born into the new world and is now the new young Truman and it's now him trying to infiltrate to get back in to get his son out. Solid. That's a solid spirit. I'm into that. I'm into that. Bro, are we doing this? He's dropped it from 20 to 12. Sorry, I just got a drop out of my Amy vice rule. Is this movie better? The win check. It's Danny Treo, Mad Dog, Russo, Doris Burt, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell. Nell would have been interesting in this community, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Conzer. Do you know, Nell is Glenn? Because I still don't. Do you know what? What? The Nellie Foster character Nell? Do you know what that means? Because I don't. In what movie? I've had a movie called Nell where she lived in the woods and talked around language and I think she got nominated for an Oscar. Yeah. And it's now comedy. I've never seen this movie. Yeah. Just like that for two hours. And it's like her and me and Neeson, and Liam Neeson is like, I want to help you learn English. No. You were like, it's really something. What am I? What am I kind of fans? We have a production office on the universe a lot. And one of my my fantasies is to create fake movie posters up with some of my like actor buddies and just see if people lie like they've like actually seen. That's really good. Yeah. That's a great idea. I mean, like Nell would definitely be like that. Remember like she's in the woods. She's doing the thing they said. Do you want to see what it's like? Are you fucking with me? It's really bad. We'll send you the trailer. We didn't actually do. Do you want to do Collinsworth? No, you were you going to do? I'll do. I'll do say this is what would have happened if Wayne Jenkins. Did you ever watch We Own The City with John Bernthal? isn't going to hit his heart then. He kind of do it. He was about a crazy Baltimore cop. Bernthal was playing the Peter Kraus part. Goddamn, Truman. I didn't know what I was working with the P.T. J. Killer. You better start cutting. You better stop cutting pictures of ladies up from those fashion magazines. We're never going to be making a Ryan Murphy limited series about you. Now get in the fuck out of here. So you play as a Baltimore cop in this show where he basically does that speech, but you add that to my belt and slay as well. Thank you. Right. Definitely. I did find that not in one moment that movie, did the cut up magazines look like a human face? Yes. I could have, I couldn't use it. He spent all this time every day. I couldn't use like, it was a really good, really disturbed vehicle to show like how fucked in the head. He was getting from this. Do you think though, there is like first take for a Truman show? Like there's sports talk shows all day, which like Truman needs to step up. He has not gotten promoted at C Haven insurance for a long time. And we're starting to wonder if he's still got it, can you tell you that is like where I was like like if you that's where like for me like the real world stuff when we cut to the guy in the bathtub or the bar like I was like oh we could have gotten so much more world building in such a smaller sense like the people that are like have talk shows that are literally built around this guy that analyzing what's happening like what's that guy's His name is Mike Michelson. Yeah. He was like the post-game host. him. I thought this movie was so well crafted for saving private Ryan. No, but if only one got it. Yeah. I think he is the best case. I agree. I thought the way it's filmed, it was really ahead of its time. It feels like a 2015 movie almost 1998. Andrew Nickel only just because I just think I want to see what it's like. I want to see what it's like. I think it's a good one. - Yeah. - Like was he actually like an evil guy? Leaning toward yes, but he might have just been deranged. - I know the answer. - 'Cause he becomes kind of evil as this movie goes along. - You also, I always love how people justify their ways in the world like with all great villains, like they don't look at themselves. You can like pop into those moments and go like, oh wow, those guys, like what he did. But like he's sort of like looking at himself as a father figure. Like the way he's justifying his place, he's protecting him from the evil outside. Like he's like almost nurturing this guy that he truly loves. Like that's his mentality. That's why he's like, he don't. I mean, I think you could definitely get a politics of kidnapping a child and raising him in a bubble. But I think for him, I think that's one of the great performances. I love how committed at Harris is to the-- - You know what I didn't notice until this most recent watch is Harry Schur, when he's interviewing Christoph goes, and I know you really guard your privacy. Can you imagine the irony of this guy being a guarded person? But he's like, this guy has to be on camera all the time. It makes it that much more like profound what he's doing. - I think for an answer where you get to move in the Zua Neo word for what happened the next day. What were Truman's next 24 hours like? - Great to be. - California pizza kitchen. - He's like, that's my guy in Burbank. - He's coming out out here. - Yeah, so he's in, we figure he's in the TMZ bus. - Yeah, exactly. We think he's in California. - He's in Burbank. - He's in Burbank, right? - Foster's freeze, so he's just kind of wandering down Hollywood Boulevard just doing this. - Just like a lot of guys on Hollywood Boulevard. - Yeah, I think they say it's Burbank. I think it's more Vani's. I think it probably bleeds a little bit at a Burbank just to get the-- - He walks down Hollywood Boulevard. He's like, I'll go back in the dump. (laughing) - Sit down right here. - Yeah, so I don't know where he goes. - Yeah, that's Spider-Man. - This is a lot. - Yeah, Spider-Man and Batman. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? - I'm going Christoph Burre. - Really good. Really good. I guess I would take the Dicer Peele or Greater that that when he had that. - That's a good one. - Yeah, I was thinking his ring, but actually what I would want is the original poster that the guy made. - Oh yeah, first edition. - Oh interesting. - Here's the prototype of the poster we're going to use. I think would be interesting. - Oh, that's cool. - Coach Finstack award, best life lesson. What else is on? - Yeah. - Or just was like, yeah, we spent 35 years with this guy. - Totally. - Hey, change channel. - Cool. - Yeah. - Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't out to get me. - Right. Best double featured choice. The Matrix. - Oh, that's interesting. Would you-- I would go, uh, Gatica, under scene, other Andrew Nichol, he directed that one. Pretty cool. - I'd go the game. - The game. - He's good call. Go ahead and say, "I'll go the running man for Mary." - The running man for 14 November 14th. Honestly, guys, great double feature. I'm just saying. - Who won the movie? - I think Carrie. - Is there a Peter Weir case? - What was it? - I think it is Carrie, but I think that the Peter Weir, like he needed this one. - Mastering Commander is like the next one after that. - Yes, I believe. - Yeah, so I don't know if he, I don't think that means he won it. - Yeah. - It's really, I think, I think it's Carrie, I think Carrie won it. - Yeah, it's Carrie. - Craig, what do you got? Craig, had you seen this movie? - Yeah, many times. - Okay. - This is one of those movies that, I don't know when is the first time I watched it, but just kind of always felt like the, one of the first few movies my dad showed me when I was growing up. It's like, oh, you gotta see the sand lie. You gotta see die hard. You gotta see Truman show. It's just like always been in the Lexicon. I feel like the Truman show. So yeah, I haven't seen it in a while though. It's just one of the all-time concepts. Like the first five minutes of the film, there's no way you're turning it off. It's incredibly rewatchable. And it only, it's only getting aging better and better. It's so prophetic. People do, like there are YouTubers now or influencers like Emma Chamberlain, who's a Spotify or like Kai Senate. Those people will literally stream their lives 24/7. Like Emma Chamberlain and Kai Senate will film themselves sleeping every night. - Jeez. - So I mean, we're kind of living in that reality where people are willing to do this, which is pretty crazy. - The closest thing I ever get to that is like, there's a guy who has a YouTube channel, but he edits these, but it's like, he goes camping with his dog and he like cooks like these really good meals. I believe he recently, he's shut down. He stopped doing it. - Did he? - Yes, but I know exactly who you're talking about. But it was like, oh, like this is really relaxing to watch this guy sit up his campsite, make a like a t-bone with like a bunch of sides. His dog's kind of hanging out. And I was like, this is beautiful, but like it's like, they're like 30 minutes. They're not like 24 hours or something like that. - I think there's always like, from the beginning of like entertainment, I think like people crave truth and crave reality. Irony is like on this one, it's like all manicured. It's all fake. So like, there's a whole commentary on like, what we're being fed in terms of reality shows and what actually is real. But I do think the Kai Senate thing, the reason that people are so engaged is like, that thing does not cut. - Yeah. - And he's doing nothing. And people are engaging just on the idea that they're experiencing something real. Even if it's. - Exactly, there's a bit of a, there's a kind of a push back at boomerang effect now where we've kind of been in the 21st century media world for so long and everything has been manicured. We're so aware of that. And now things are turning the other way. And we actually want that kind of raw material and the influencers are, they know that. And they're like, "Yeah, I'll film myself 24/7." Like, you can watch me get up in the morning. And it's interesting. - I wonder if part of it is like, it's just a more lonely society post-COVID. People are let, people maybe aren't around each other as a relationship. - There are social relationships. - Yeah, you have like this. - Oh, it's Kai's my guy. And that's like your friend that you've never met. - It's also interesting in Truma Show. Like I was, I was thinking about against the rack focus movie of looking at the old women with the Truma pillow, the guy in the bathtub, the other bar. It's like, there's a sense of power that people get being like a little omniscient, like you know, a little like having like a place of like going, "Well, at least I'm more aware than this person." Like at least my life's not this, like whatever it is. Like the fact that they're not partaking in life, they're glued to those couches and they're watching a guy live a fake reality but it represents real reality. Like this is the reality of living it. I think it's a very fascinating, you know, study of how we engage with the world. It's the people that are technically providing us content on TikTok, you meet them in real life, they are glued to their phone. They are not participating in shit. And it's like, it's just a fascinating, you know. - Yeah, I can't say anything 'cause I watched the NFL for 14 straight hours on Twitter. Literally from 630 to 830, 14 straight hours and at one point I went on the treadmill for 45 minutes, just to feel like I was doing it. - To get some flowing in the morning and in the body. So, you know, we all have our things. But yeah, it is, we talked about the reality TV angle but the social media angle of this movie, I think is that way in the 2020s. - Did you guys, so is Running Man without giving too much away? Is your Running Man set a little in the future or is it kind of like, where did you guys see it? - Well, the original Stephen King book takes place in 2025. - Or, which is wild. - That's true. - I didn't know the original Running Man book, Richard Bachman, aka Stephen King, wrote it. I believe in '82 and it's set in 2025 where all of this stuff, like in terms of like, deep fakes and sort of where we are with reality TV and how sort of the bloodlust of the world, all that stuff is like, it's all already baked into the book which is crazy. We, the world looks, we don't really specify a date but it's a little five minutes in the future. - Okay, okay. And then with Edgar, like, were you somebody who was like, I'm watching Hot Fuzz like once a year, pretty much like, had you been a fan of his forever? - I've been a fan of Edgar my whole life. I mean, Edgar Wright movies for me are some of the most well crafted movies of any filmmaker out there. And he's played in all these different genres. And I think the thing that when you look at like Hot Fuzz, when you look at, you know, Baby Driver, you're like, this is an action director, a guy that can like literally, even though it's a comedy. Hot Fuzz, you watch and you're like, you're kind of parroting, you know, you know, Michael Bay shots, you know, these sort of crazy parallax shots. These big, big slow mo shootout things. But they're undeniably amazing action sequences. And so getting to watch Edgar on this movie, like truly unleashed and like take that weapon and just like send it, it was just awesome. - It was just awesome. - You're high on this movie, I could tell. We can usually sit through those. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm telling you, this movie rocks. - Like when I tell you, it rocks. I got to watch it with all the theater owners the other night and it played like a rock concert. They were like, they were losing their mind. It's again, not to say like, we should watch this podcast in IMAX, but you should also watch. - Yeah. - We should also watch running in IMAX 'cause it's like one of those that was like, it plays in a big screen format. - That's really cool. - Would crews be proud? - Crew's gonna see it. I get to show it to him in a little bit. - Yeah. - Yeah, he's gonna love it. Honestly. - Do you lean on crews? Do you ask them advice? - That's nice. - So you know what's really great about crews? Is think about his like education, like the 90s that you're talking about. He's played in all these different genres. His skill set and his education is so singular. - Yeah. - There's very few people right now in this phase of my career. I can ask like a question to that I'm like, hey, when you're getting blown off a bridge and they're about to like this thing up. Like what are you thinking about? Like you know what I mean? He's like, hey, I'm thinking it sounds great. You know what I mean, like when you're starting talking about like certain sense when I'm like, hey, like running, you know, running, whether it's running on camera or like how to sell an action movie properly to an audience. Like what you're thinking about like in the general architecture, what your role within it is. Like there's very few people you can ask over the course of time that have done it at a certain level. So yeah, like you don't, I don't necessarily do it on every movie, but on this one, like this was, It was a- a huge resource. And then you ever like what the hell is up at the ending of Vice-Wide Shut. I'm sure that one more time. But, pal, true pleasure. Thanks for doing so much guys. Thank you guys for doing this. See our pleasure as always. Thank you to Craig Worldbeck. Thanks to Gahau and Ronnick as well. And we'll see you next week. Good luck with the Ronnick man. Thank you. November 14th. Yes, sir.