The Top 10 Dynasty Startup Questions for 2026 - Dynasty Fantasy Football

[music] Welcome to the Fantasy Footmoller's Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets in a Baller. [music] Welcome in! It's Wednesday, May 13th here. Fantasy Footmoller's Dynasty Podcast and it's Borg, Bets and Mike. The hitman. He's back. [music] Mike! You got a troll! Got the finger guns and everything guys. Mike's bringing some energy here and I am still like my body, just the way that my body has responded over the last 24 hours. I am still so hyped. I shared a little bit with him but like my son had a big game. They wanted a championship and Mike and I were just talking like, is there any better feeling for your kid than just a championship win and it was a walkoff win? So I didn't sleep much last night either but just living in it guys. I'm wide. Yes, congratulations to you and the boy. It was like that is so awesome and you were a coach. I've been a coach on that team and my other son's team but just to watch the whole scale season the way it ended was a walkoff win when you're six years old. I coached my son for a couple seasons of flag football and like we made a like a like a black sheep run in the playoffs where I mean like our team was good but we just kept losing every game. We would fall just short and then we went around a run in the playoffs and won the championship and it was like we still talk about it. I mean this is like flag football from before he's even in junior high but we still live it and it was incredible. It's it's like one of those things that every single moment when you're in the playoffs. I mean, football for your own team, it's one thing but like your own kids team the entire time. I mean, I just my heart rate. I showed the guys by whoops score. It looked like I was basically dead. High stress. Mike knows that life. Oh, I do. I know I know it from even now just watching my the whoops like whoa, take it down a notch. I'm like I'm just sitting here. So it by the in conclusion, if you get a chance to coach your kid even if you'd like feel like you're not capable or you're not you're like I don't know the sport figure it out. Go coach. It is it is unbelievable. The memories you create with your kids love that. Kyle, did you get a ring? I mean, you sent the pictures to me this morning and the boys were sporting some some bling. It looked beautiful. Did you get a ring as a coach? I did not get a ring. We got some like, yeah, we got some other stuff. My older one has a championship game later this week, which I won't be able to recover from that. But like, yeah, they have these big fat rings now that like he's just wearing around the house in his underwear just walk around the ring. That's amazing. So yeah, it's it's a good time in on this episode. I have some questions. Some of them came from the foot clan of the biggest dynasty startup questions were past the NFL draft. And there are a lot of people that the way that they do their startup draft. So I'm actually a co manager in a league. We're doing our startup draft in a week. And yeah, now I haven't done a startup. I'm not a little wild. Cool, dude. Thanks for the invite, man. That was cool. Appreciate that. Must have got lost. I got asked and I usually like a no. I'm a no guy to most things, but when somebody asked, Hey, do you want to do a dinosaur startup and you can just be the co manager? I'm like, sweet. I get to be a part of the draft and then deuces. Right. I'm the opposite of that. Kyle, thank you for not inviting me to your dynasty league. I can't do anymore. Yeah, I'm every year that we get to this part of the calendar and we talk about the dynasty startup strategy and sometimes I do a dynasty startup mock. I do get the itch to join a league and then I open sleeper and I'm reminded it is not a good idea to do another week. Just looking at the list of leagues and like, I can't do it. I want to, but I can't. I feel semi bad when people ask I had someone the other day at my son's game. They found out about the footballers and they made the connection and they're like, oh, you're the board, Logan. And when we started talking about it, he says, can I be in your league? And he meant Mike the league of record. Like, can I be in the league of record? And I was like, how do I put this slightly? But I was like, no. No, he followed up with saying like, oh, well, then we'll just start another league. You can be in it. And I'm like, I, there are certain things because the dynasty league, we want it to be forever. If you're in those leagues and they're good competitive leagues, this is something you're not just doing a startup and then two years later, piecing out like this is a forever thing. So I do find people at footclan leagues.com that are a part of those every single day starting up. And if you are a podcast listener, like, that's one of those places where if you're listening to it with other people, you can start a league if you want to there, footclan leagues.com. But it's just not every day. You can just say, I'm going to start up a dynasty league. Maybe you're one of those people that have earned 30 leagues and you can do that. Stress is being out. I can't just thinking about it. Yeah. We do have a giveaway that I want to highlight because on the main podcast, you guys tease this. It is dynasty week. So on the main podcast, you guys are kind of doing a little bit of a crossover and it's funny when we started dynasty week, I don't know, six years ago. It was because we didn't have a dynasty podcast. Correct. And it was like, Hey, we want to talk to the dynasty managers and then you guys are all here now listening. But we have a giveaway. You can win a signed James Cook jersey who has been a my guy, I believe for you, Mike. Yes, he has two years ago. It was two years, it was the when he finally started scoring touchdowns that sweet like weight regression. Yeah. Hit like a Mac truck. He's like, I'm going to do four and then I'm going to do like 16 and 12. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to say to do it. But we're giving away a signed James Cook jersey. And if you have the ultimate draft kit plus or your ultimate foot, clan member, you are automatically entered. So go to ultimate draft kit.com. If you haven't got that yet, everything we've got with the pre order pricing, everything with the dynasty past access right now, you can get into it and you are entered in. So if you're one of those people that have the dynasty past, you've already experienced it, you are part of that group and you can win a signed jersey. Before we end the startup questions, Mike, I know you are tweaking your rankings for the ultimate draft kit. Anything that you want to highlight just of like, Betzen, I was seeing behind the scenes, how you, Jason and Andy are different on some players. I feel like this year more than any other year, there are some real, we have some real wide discrepancies. Yes. Especially a quarterback, which will get through some of those questions for dynasty, but like we were talking through Trevor Lawrence or Malik Willis or Drake May, where it's like, okay, Drake May is up here in Jason's ranks and down here in Jason's ranks and very different in everybody else's. Is that he has? That's surprising. Yeah, I mean, it is dumb. Drake May is so good. I mean, he's just, he's wrong, but I mean, we walked through it. I heard his process, I heard him out, saw the stats and it's like, this is not unreasonable. And just for him, he ranks lower. Now, we're all, it's ranks right now with Philadelphia and New England are very difficult because the trade of AJ Brown, at least in the media, is like it's done. It has already happened. They're like, here's what people are leaking. Here's what the compensation is and they can't do it until June 1st because of the salary cap reasons. But is it done? Is it for sure happening? You know what I mean? So it's like, it's, it's difficult to, how do you do the work? Like it, we're going to hit June 1st, which is the release of the UDK and the trade might go live that day. There's a little bit of a huge changes to Philadelphia and New England, the day of launch. It's fine. We will do that. That's part of the draft kit is we are very quick to update things, but it's just so it's difficult to rank them. So I bet if AJ Brown does, in fact, go to New England, then he will move up for Jason, talk about Drake May. Betts, do you have any boots on the ground? Philadelphia takes of what you're hearing, what are the people are saying? Are they in mourning? Well, I've already gone through the whole process of denial, acceptance. And now I'm just, I'm ready to move on. You know, what kind of lemon happened? I'm excited about that. I think to my dismiss can ascend to be an alpha. And so in my head, AJ Brown is already a patriot. And if for some reason, that's gets like, you know, fun, bold or whatever, or they can't come to terms and all of a sudden he's going to be on the patriots and like, or on the Eagles, I'm like, I thought we were done, man. I thought we moved on. I guess you're back. No, and I think that's, that's the key to like both sides of the coin here, right? Because it's like, where do you rank to want to smith him a kind of lemon? But right now, when obviously we're not drafting right now for, for most things, but when you look at how it affects Drake May and just getting back to that conversation, I know we'll talk about his dynasty outlook. but just for this year, it's like what he did last season with that group of weapons, which, you know, notice respect to those guys, like none of them are agey around. It's like just put agey around in this roster. Let's just see what happens. Like I lean more with Mike and Andy side than Jason's bogus ranking of my beloved Drake mate. But no, man, it's going to be fine to see how that shakes out. I am really excited to see what it does for the Eagles offense. Like that's just one of the question marks, because we've just had what they've been for the last handful of years. And now we have a brand new OC and likely no agey around. How does that look this year? So there's a lot of things in our moving parts here. You get all of those updates, ultimate draft kit, dot com, all the rankings they change immediately when we get that trade, when it happens, you can get all those moving on. Dynasty rankings. So I put together a list of the top 10 Dynasty startup questions. Now we could go through specific rankings. And we will have shows later on the summer where we talk through Dynasty tears. So we kind of break down like, where's the tear breaks at each position? Because in Dynasty, it's a little different. We're not projecting with point values. We are looking at a player over a range of time in their age. But instead of us just going through the rankings and saying, here's the rankings, which you can find in the Dynasty pass. I wanted to kind of ask some questions as if somebody was doing a startup. So it's pass the NFL draft and they're saying, Hey, I'm starting fresh. I'm with some people. Maybe they're new or maybe you've done this before and you want to kind of change your strategy. So I'm going to count down 10 from one. And I want to kind of ask you guys specifically for these positions. What should people do? Because I think like one of the things I wrote down before we started was the advice I've always given people if they asked me is to build through young, stud wide receivers, right? Like that's kind of the cornerstone of Dynasty is like, do you have a Jefferson or a chase? But the flip side of that question is kind of like what is an answer? Like, okay. So then what do I do at running back? You know, like that, that's like the other side of like, Hey, just build with wide receivers. Then then everyone else is sitting around like, okay. So when am I supposed to take a running back? So let's talk through some of those. Number 10. The first question I have for you guys is where should I take running backs in the early rounds of startups? So I'm looking at our startup ranks and we have B. John and we have Gibbs in our top five in a dinosaur startup in a one quarterback league. And and yet I still feel a little hesitant telling somebody to take B. John or Gibbs as a top five pick, knowing how much we love wide receivers. So Mike, I'll start with you. You're a little bit lower than Andy and Jason in your startup ranks, not much, but where do you feel comfortable building a team knowing like, I'm going to have these, this team and have like a two to three year window where I want to compete? Yeah. So for me, the elites, we now have, we know a big three at wide receiver was that's fun. You know, adding guys in there and that could that number could expand very quick. Next year, my big three right now are Jamar Puka and JSN and it's like, if anything shows up for Minnesota, Jefferson immediately climbs right back in there. And it's like CD lamb is difficult. He's still way up there for me. Like I have him and Jefferson is the next to wide receivers. Also my next two startup picks. And I think it's after that I'm okay going with beach on or Jamir because they are so different. Malik neighbors is the one I struggle with the most because of the injury and just in some of the unknowns. But the reason again, we go with the wide receivers because they just, they last longer. It's much easier in my opinion of, you know, our dynasty league has been going now for, oh my gosh, I don't know. We're probably about a decade. It's easier to find running back help. It's, it's very difficult to acquire elite running backs, but you can, you can find help. You can find those, the, the teams that are rebuilding and trade for old running backs. Like I got, you know, I got Derek Henry a couple years ago and he really wasn't that expensive. It was a player and a two. And I got Derek Henry because everyone's like, well, Derek Henry's going to fall off. Right. I was only trying to buy a year. I bought a couple years from Derek Henry from for that acquisition. It's just easier to find those and in rookie drafts finding a little bit of running back help to me is always easier than finding. Then, then getting elite wide receivers because as much as we love these elite wide receivers and like this year's draft, Tate and Tyson and Laman love those three guys. I know an actuality that the like if all three hit, that's crazy. Right. You know, statistically that would be actually the outlier if all those guys became elite from the same draft class. It just doesn't usually happen. So I like to draft my known elite wide receivers and then figure out running backs a bit later, but be John and Jermir make it difficult. Yeah. I mostly agree with that. I don't really have too much to add in terms of be John and Jermir. I think the way that I approach startups like in general agree, young stud wide receivers early. That's kind of how I've always drafted, but at the same time, you don't want to just stick to that because that's what you've heard year by year by year. Like I have no concerns about be John or Jermir Gibbs holding their value for the next like three years. Like barring catastrophic injury. Yeah. These guys are just so unique with what they do from a workload standpoint and in the receiving game and they are a cheat code in your lineup week over week. So I don't know where you get to an injury is part of it like fragility of the position. Not that wide receivers don't get hurt of course, but running backs just they wear down faster and they're the likelihood of them getting hurt is higher. Yeah. So for me, like if anybody wanted to take those guys ahead of, I don't know, a JSN or CD or something like I have no issue with that. I still lean wide receiver, but again, these guys are just I think truly different makers compared to the rest of the position based off the state of the position right now. Maybe that changes in a couple of years, but based off right now this landscape. I think those guys truly are different makers. We also need to realize that there will be people in your league that take a similar to approach where they basically say, oh, I'm going to hammer away wide receivers early because this is what I was told or just, you know, this is what I like on the board. And so there are values that show up. I've seen the last couple of mocks that I've done. Four startups where it's like running backs kind of can get pushed here to the end of the first round to mid-second round where it's like, I'm very happy if I can get Ashton Gentie in the mid-second round because he is going to hold value. Same thing with Jeremiah Love. It's pretty early in the process. But I'm looking for some of these running backs that I can find in late round two or round three that I think a year from now could be even more valuable. So like, I'm already in Hampton as one of those guys that we're still trying to figure out the workload with Mike McDaniel and the way that's going to look. But I mean, I'm assuming that we're all saying this guy's going to see 30% of the team's work. He's going to be the red zone guy head of Keaton Mitchell, head of C'mon Yvdau. And they want to run more two tight ends where I can see myself a year from now. Hampton could be RB3, RB4. Like he has that type of ceiling. So those are the players that I like targeting in startups because I can see a path forward where I'm taking them in third round where a year later like this guy's going around higher in startups. I buy that. Yeah, I don't disagree with that. Okay. Last little name here I want to bring up is where do you take guys like Kenneth Walker and Jonathan Taylor? Who are? Depends on do you want to win? So who you taking them? Kenneth, guys. They're they in acts they're they're difficult. Like I I have Walker ranked pretty aggressive. He's only what he's 25 and a half essentially. So three year window says Kenneth Walker plus his contract on being on the chiefs is like you should get three solid years could get a you could get an elite like season league winning year out of Kenneth Walker over the next three years. He does have some injury history and everything. I mean, I have him at 18 right now. So I have him in front of Hampton because I'm more confident in him and his 18th overall. Situation. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Not running back 18. 18. So if you're building that way, let's say you hammer wider seaver early. You get two wider sewers in the first two rounds. Like it's very possible that Kenneth Walker is your RB1 at like the two three turn. You could find him there. Sure. That's fine by me. Okay. Just just I feel I've had the Kenneth Walker experience in redraft. I know that you've lived it in dynasty. So like me thinking of Kenneth Walker as my dynasty, RB1 scares me. It terrifies me. Why? Hey, I understand people people are very nervous. Alex the place. The place he knows leagues. Yeah, you know, who's not nervous about Kenneth Walker? Andy Reed. And Eric. He's made a perfect decisions at running back. His entire I knew you were going to say it's okay. And I do not have a rebuttal. I mean, he's made tons of other great. choices, but yeah, it's, it's, I feel nervous taking players that are past like their first contract at running back. And I know they probably have two, two years. We're in redraft. I feel completely fine with Ken Walker this year. And then in Dynasty, I'm like, am I going to be left holding the bag in two years? And I'd spend a third round pick on this guy. Beth. Yeah. I mean, I think the general idea with kind of this group, if we just want to look at like James Cook, Ken Walker, Jonathan Taylor, that are definitely still on an age where you feel very comfortable with their production for this year and probably next year as well. But when you take these guys, you do have to understand just kind of like naturally the way Dynasty markets have been flow is that we use age a lot. Dynasty players use age a lot as a factor for startups, trade value, etc. So if you're going to take these guys, which I'm not saying don't just understand your value on that player probably is going to go down next year, not saying that's wrong, especially if you got and try to win a title in the first year of your league. But if you're taking Ken Walker, James Cook, Jonathan Taylor, those kind of guys that are not old, not young, but like you just have to be aware probably like in the next one to two years, maybe you can awesome season the first year. It's not the worst idea to just flip that guy the next year. Like you don't have to draft these guys and then all of a sudden they're stuck on your roster for the next five years. Like obviously you'd be willing to flip these guys. So I just kind of have that trio like circled to be like, Hey, at some point in the next year, maybe two years, it's probably a good idea to kind of just see what the market is because we just know eventually like when guys get to 29 30, we saw it with their Henry and say quons kind of there now. It's like the shine wears off. Everybody's like, you got to get out. You got to get out. And so that will happen eventually with these guys. So if you're drafting them now for the long term, just understand the window probably closes just a little faster than you realize. I think the last thing I'll bring up here is Mike was talking about like a lot of these guys, you just, you're going to have to hit on your rookie drafts moving forward. It's like you're building your team. And if you're going to build around wider sievers, you're hoping that you get a chase brown or a Devon H and in this, these are like second and third round rookie picks that blossom into a bucket Irving. And it's really rare. But when you hit on one of those, it feels like it makes your team so much more robust because you've already hammered away wider seaver. So you know, a lot of the guys that are in our top tier, it's genty, it's love, it's hampton. It's all the guys that like, you kind of had to take early in your draft. And then every once in a while, we have guys that kind of jump in here. And you get a couple seasons from like chase brown. You got two RB one seasons. Maybe you get two more. And that's, yes, that's wild stuff. So let's hit quick break and we'll keep going. Number nine. All right. Four super flexed drafters out there. If they're in a dynasty startup, where is the cut off from the elite tears? So in our rankings, you're going to see Josh Allen, Jane Daniels, Joe Burrow, Drake May, Lamar Jackson at the very top. And they would be our top five picks in a super flex. And then we have the wider sievers. I think my biggest question is where do I go from there and how comfortable am I waiting on quarterback in the first couple of rounds? You know, when it when do I stop playing chicken with everybody else? So that's like, where do you feel comfortable in rounds one and two of like, okay, I'm going to keep hammer away at wide receivers and running backs and let everybody else take their second quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I think part of this is you have to know the league that you're playing with. Like if everybody in that league values quarterback insanely highly because it's super flex, which obviously most people will, but there are certain things where it's like live and die by super flex quarterbacks. And there's other leagues with players like us who are like, yeah, we like them, but like we're not going to artificially inflate their value compared to elite wider sievers and stuff like that. So know your league. If you're in the former category where it's crazy, like, I don't really want to get boxed out at quarterback because if you pass on the first, let's say 12 guys off the board, there's names that I would be interested in. You know, Caleb, obviously young enough, hurts. I think I have a bounce back year. Trevor Lawrence just come off with his best season as a pro. Like there's guys there that you feel confident confident with. But if you pass completely on that top 10 to 12 group, like it does start to get pretty murky late. And then you got to think about like your second guy, you're getting into the Bryce Youngs of the world. And I like him. What I think you can have a bounce back year, but like there's still question marks there. You know, the list kind of goes on and on. And then there's like the handful of teams in the NFL that are certainly going to be looking at the class next year for quarterbacks. So I guess my general answer here is I probably do want to leave the first two rounds with one of these kind of top 12 guys. But I'm not going to necessarily force that issue in round one. If I think an elite wide receiver has fallen too far, I'm not going to artificially inflate a second or a third to your quarterback just because you quote unquote, half two in superplex. A team just looks so good when I get through the first two rounds. And it's like, I've gotten two wide receivers. You're like, okay, I started my draft with JSN and Drake London or whoever. It's like that is such a strong start to your team. And if the supply is still there where you feel comfortable with somebody as your quarterback one, then you can get them, you know, in the third round, if your league hasn't gone all in. Now there are some people that basically like, Hey, my first, you know, of the first 15 picks of my draft, ten of them are quarterbacks and you're like, Okay, well, how am I going to respond to the rest of my room? So like, there's a certain point in our rankings. Like I'm sorting by Mike's rankings right now because, you know, why not? Why not take Mike's super flex rankings, which I honestly do use. They're really good. I get to a point where I hope that Justin Herbert drops because I'm a Herbert bro. And I always will be. And I'm fine with him as my quarterback one. Yeah, it I would just say to the if you've never been in a super flex and you're you're you're you're drafting out of say the out of the eight spot, the nine spot. And it's just all quarterbacks in front of you. And Jamar chase is their pookas there. Just do it. Like the I've been in enough of these drafts where there is a right out of the gate. There is a scramble. You know, a lot of the first two rounds will be just full of quarterbacks. And then it, at least in all the drafts I've been in, then it just it dries up as in they are freezes, I should say. And then like three rounds will go by and no one's picking a quarterback. And it's like, you don't I'm not saying go with the ultimate game of chicken. Cause if you do a dice, you start up and you put the quarterback situation too far, you're going to be in a giant hole for a long time. But you find your sweet spot in there where where other people aren't taking their second quarterback yet. Cause they're they're now loading up on the other positions. Well, then, okay, you know, you've just you've swapped you, you're not allowing the draft to make you take negative value on your pick. You're just your surplus is now in the wide receiver position. Cause if you take, here's what happens. You take the whatever the quarterback, 11 or 10, you know, at the 10 spot, then everyone else who has the great quarterbacks, they're also going to get the great wide receivers like and then you will just be super screwed. Yeah, we talk a lot about you don't want to be at the end of a run and say, Oh, well, I don't have my quarterback yet. Here's me taking Caleb, I'm going to start a new one. Yeah. Here's me taking Caleb Williams at the 201 because I saw all these other people and I just I'm just too scared. So like you started your draft, let's say, you know, with the wide receiver and Caleb Williams, you have to wait the entire time to come all the way back. And you sacrifice stuff, just because nobody else is probably going to take a quarterback in the third round. So you've kind of just like boxed yourself in where I personally feel comfortable with a ton of different quarterbacks at quarterback one, even all the way down like I would be totally fine. If I could get Brock Pertie at the end of round two or beginning of round three, if he lasts that long, as my quarterback won and I'll piece it together, but I've built out a better roster. So I'm I'm fine pushing it down the board. Maybe some people don't like the risk, but a lot of these guys are exhilarating. Oh man. If you want to feel alive, it's a rush. That's like I feel like we did a a baseball draft. Maybe it was Jason. He did this a year or two ago where he just punted it as long as he could. And he ended up with like Gino and somebody else. But um, he did not do well. No, no, no, terrible, terrible. It's just a sidebar here. Whenever you're doing drafts and at the time, you're like feeling risky. It's like feels really cool. Like I think of all the zero RB drafts that we've done on the podcast over the years. Everybody's rosters look really cool. But I remember one year me and Josh were talking about I was like, Josh, I'm going to check back in on the zero RB team you built with like Zimmyr White and Jerome Ford. And I'm going to see how this team turns out. They're not too great. It doesn't work. Sometimes it just doesn't work. Yes, there are times that it doesn't work. Yeah. There's times when all the like last year. I mean, the big boys at the top just stayed healthy. So they're in you feel like I'm going to load up on out gear. I'm going to make sure I get McCaffery's back up. You know, like it didn't work that year because they didn't get hurt. Yeah. Last thing I'll add here, I think when people are asking about Superflex and where do I take my quarterback, I think the follow-up question which we'll get into later is basically when should I take my QB2? That's like really like the underlying question. And we'll talk to some of those names in a start up where you feel comfortable there. But let's move on. Number eight. Looking at these stud tightens, how high should we take these young stud tightens in a startup? So Brock Bowers and Tramick Bride, we have as top 15 picks. Jason has them as top 10 picks. Yeah, they're top 15 because Jason has them juiced. I personally feel fine, Betts. Would you take Bowers and McBride top 15 in a startup? One quarter back. Yeah, I would. I mean, I think the positional advantage you get over your league of just saying, I have one of the top tightens locked in for the next you name it years. Like if you're an dynasty league and you're trying to piece it together with like Hunter Henry and Pat Fryer and Mooth and Kate Oton and like these guys that are just the route boys that will actually make a difference. Watch your tone. I know you have a soft stop for Kate Oton. It's hard to make that up. Like this is one of the biggest positional advantages in my opinion and dynasty that exists. And while I do want Bowers and Tramick Bride, I think the most interesting conversation here is like how big of a gap should there be? Not just an ADP but also rankings between the rookies of last year and those the big boys at the top. Like Ken, Mr. Loveland, Tyler Warren, Harold Fanon, maybe even Tucker Kraft, like can those guys get back up to where McBride and Barra's arcs, excuse me, or is it just like those two are alone at the top? 'Cause I want one of these young studs. The question is how much are you willing to pay? And I mean, certainly I think Bowers and McBride are worth it. But if you think you can get 80, 90% of the production for a little bit cheaper, that's also interesting idea too. - To answer that question, I think, I think Loveland can jump into tier one. We've been here all along, like we know. - Yeah, well I'm just counting. - Yeah, as Dynasty managers of Loveland, I'm with Tyler. - Tyler's the talented guy. - I think he can. I don't think he will. So, I-- - That's like like that part. - I was excited, I was like, "Yes, Mike, you're going?" Oh, okay. - I say, I think of those three, he's the one most likely to, but Fanon, not his fault, I just don't see a world where the Cleveland Browns in the next three years are really turned around at the quarterback position. I mean, maybe by year three, and then Warren, with just the other guys on the team, and the way they run the offense, I just don't think that he can become a tier one guy. I mean, maybe a, maybe what a tier one point A, or something like that, I just don't think he'll get up to the Bowers or McBride tier, and I have this anecdote of, I have Bowers and McBride. Like, definitely lower than where Jason's more comfortable taking them. It is a huge advantage, but there is also the, you're fragile. So, I will give the example, I did a startup last year. I took Brock Bowers in round two. Obviously, Brock Bowers gets hurt, and we have essentially a wasted year. It was like devastating for my team, because I have Brock Bowers. So, of course, I'm not, my backup tight end is just gonna, is garbage. It's real, real low tiered, 'cause why would I spend any more equity on when I spent my second rounder on an elite positional advantage? But when he got injured, man, it was really, really tough. I ended up just barely sneaking into the playoffs. Like, I think it was the sixth seed, and a huge part of that was because, I lost my second round pick, so I lost my advantage, and then I don't, I'm not, you know, I'm not nearly as deep as the other position. So, there is the give and take. I'm not saying, don't do it because of that, but I am saying, at least think through it, if you're in a startup, and something, if something happens to one of those two guys, where if you're a wide receiver there, and you lose them for an amount of time, yeah, it sucks, but you've got, you're not completely losing all your points where at the tight end position, I essentially did. I went from elite to scraping by over the couple of points a week. I think you brought it up. It's the opportunity cost of what you're giving up in rounds one and two to take those two guys, and then just putting names, like let's say you started wide receiver, wide receiver, you got another stud running back, a young running back in the third round, and then you followed up with Warren or Loveland in the third fourth round, you know, some around there. It's like, that sounds nice. Would I rather have, yeah, would I rather have that start? Then saying, I'm taking one of these guys at the one two turn, and then my wide receiver too, is somebody that I don't feel as comfortable, which we're gonna get into that in a second. There are some names when you start going through the startup rankings at wide receiver that had really good seasons last year, and where we have them ranked, I think they're more volatile than we realized. So I think I like the third, fourth, fifth round range, more for tight ends if I'm just talking about cost, but man, I don't know where Bowers is for you this year, but Betts and I have just been talking about, in Best Ball. - He's at one for me. - Okay, he's one for us in Best Ball. I feel like Bowers is gonna be a monster. There's no arguments there. Last little question here, Betts. Do you consider craft and laport a part of this last part of a stud tier, or are they just kind of like, man, they're gonna get overdrafted? - I kind of feel like they're in their own tier. So like Bowers and Pride are kind of the big boys up top, and then you have second year guys in Loveland, Warren, Fanon, then I think craft and laport, like I'd be happy to leave my draft with, but I don't see them truly leveling up to give you the positional advantage that the other five names probably will. So I think they potentially could get overdrafted in startups. - Yeah, and in your touchdown only, NFC Northleague, they rule. They're awesome. That's, I look at players like that, and I'm like, man, I love these players. Are they ever gonna command 20% of the targets? I don't think so. - Yeah. - It just feels rough. All right, moving on. - Number seven. - Let's go to White Receiver, and my question is, which of these contract year White receivers are you most afraid of in Dynasty? So I kind of picked some players that are going in a certain range, and then I'm gonna add in another name, but George Pickens, Rishi Rice, Crystal Lava, Zay Flowers, and Michael Wilson. I included Flowers in a Lava. They got their options, but they're trying, flowers trying to get paid right now, right? Like he basically said he wants what, JSN money, whatever it was. - Oh no, he said that? - There's some clips that came up. - So once, I think it was a parody account, but I have that in my head now forever. So all of these guys look like they would be strong White Receiver, too, and they just came off of awesome seasons. Just to recap for you guys, Pickens, was the White Receiver five. Olave, the White Receiver six. Rishi Rice has been hurt, but when he's on the field, he's been awesome seeing 30% of the team's targets. Zay Flowers, White Receiver seven, Michael Wilson, out of nowhere, White Receiver 12 finish. (laughing) - Yeah. - Here's my question. Did we just see the best fantasy seasons for all five of those dudes of their careers? - Well, that's a good question. Hey, Betts. - I'm gonna say for some of these guys, I think so. - Name 'em. - Who just had the best year of their career? - Yeah, I'm gonna say Zay Flowers, White Receiver seven finishes the best of his career. - No, for fantasy maybe. That's my question. - Okay, but I'm just saying like, a thousand year old White Receiver, I feel like routinely is what Zay Flowers is gonna be. Does he catch the right side of touch time variants on this version of what we have with Derek Henry, led Raven's offense? Probably not. But I think there is a season that exists for Zay Flowers where he can pop up for 1300 yards and seven or eight touchdowns and have another amazing fantasy season. This year I think it's kind of unlikely, but I'm a big Zay fans, maybe I'm biased there. I feel like Michael Wilson probably has had the best season of his career. And I will say, I don't know about season because obviously he was injured in suspension and stuff, but like Rishi Rice feels like a ticking time bomb to me in Dynasty where you got a couple things working here. Once like a contract year, so much of his value has been tied to the Pat Mahomes, Andy Reed, scheming of targets for him. If he leaves the chiefs and if he has one more off season incident and they say we're not paying you, he goes somewhere else, what decisions does he make A and then B, how does that even, like is he even really like a true legit, hey, go line up outside and win? We've never seen it in the pros. Like he is a manufactured slack guy and it's been beautiful for fantasy. I've loved him in fantasy for years. It's just he feels terrifying to me for so many reasons. So I think out of these guys, we were just talking about like which one scares me the most, it's easily Rishi Rice. - I cannot fathom taking Rishi Rice in a startup. And because you're one of those, if you're one of those people that just like, I'm gonna call my shot and I think I'm right, hats off to you. I'm willing to be wrong on Rishi Rice and what he can be moving. - That makes sense. Do you think that you sign him? - I would say no. - Yeah, basically the conversation right, call your shot. 'Cause if he's with my home as an Indian, I'm in, but if he's not, I'm terrified. - This territory of especially dynasty and I mean, well, just NFL fandom, dynasty. is I think the hardest part is that these guys are humans and sometimes humans don't make good decisions and like there were if you haven't been in the game long enough there was a year where Tyree Kill would go through startup drafts and not be drafted because we were all so sure of like the reports coming up out about him were awful and it's like holy crap I think Tyree Kill is probably done playing football like they're if this all goes through even the NFL can't sweep this under the rug and then that just disappeared and then Tyree Kill was like the wide receiver won for multiple years I mean he had finished with the chiefs goes the dolphins has a massive run so I don't and it's just it's wild that it's the chiefs again I'm on your side bets of if rice leaves I don't think he can succeed the way that Tyree Kill left and and succeeded but like it's so difficult when you have this off season stuff because it is we're one like and we had we had more allegations against rice the those seem to have gone away but it's like if another one comes through and it and it hits and he's like he did something in sticks he he's in such big trouble the what are the chiefs possibly do here what do you do with a player like excuse me with like Rashid Rice where you know what he means to your team but you also know what he means to your team right it's just an impossible situation yeah and it's not like people are giving this crazy discount for him like there are people out there that said like this guy will be a top six wide receiver this year in fantasy I think he probably is I can't see that and maybe that's like I see the way that he's targeted and I see like the trends of where the NFL's moving I'm like I feel like this is a player that's going to like run out of like what his special trick was over time and that scares me like like he was a red zone weapon for them and yet it was a weird form of the chiefs offense and maybe they get back to what they're meant to do but I just I feel like that's a player that's like I can easily pass by I don't I don't feel like the I don't feel the upside case the way that everybody else does gotcha so let I got to throw out those pickings because Jason brought him up on Tuesday's main show as George Pickens being a dynasty trade away disgusting and Mike feels exact opposite so can I offer you an opportunity sure to trade for George Pickens in the Dino Junior League you can't because Jason I'm the co in that league I'll see Jason is the manager on that league so the guy who wants to trade of away I don't think is going to trade for him maybe you could tell me he's gonna my so could I issue in a player that was the wider receiver five this past year and man have you seen his awesome splits the weak winning performances I mean this guy is young he's gonna get paid no matter where he goes it's gonna be great to George is like the most fun and terrifying dynasty player in the world like luckily I've been a rebuilding team so I can just like live in whatever this is exactly but like the years in Pittsburgh was like you knew the upside was there but it's like man this guy has some questionable choices on the field the staff seems frustrated with him yada yada it's like I think he can get unlocked and last year it was like okay buy into George Pickens in the softens and now it's like the market is swung so far where it's like feels like a good sell candidate if you can get the right return on him yeah cuz even that there was those reports right where it was like they didn't sign the tag they didn't sign the tag and we got some stuff after the thought it was like his camp was just seeing what maybe was out there in a trade and it's like I think and don't get me wrong like I understand these guys wanted to get paid I feel like Pickens might have some motivations other than just being on the best team playing with the best quarterback you know and we should care about that for the game we play I do think he gets paid in unreal amount of money next year because I can't see the cowboys tagging him twice assuming health and all those things but then you're talking about a player who's gonna be 26 going into 2027 and a potentially new team could be good or worse right we've seen players that have great situations go chase money and then turn into kind of not great for fantasy so I think Pickens range of outcomes is massive and so whenever I view that with the player if somebody is willing to pay for the high end outcome that exists I'm willing to capitalize on that even if I'm quote unquote wrong so I kind of agree with Jason just it's more just league dependent what can you get for him I think that George Pickens is a in a talent I you know I imagine one of the cowboys this year I don't know how they figure out how the money works for long term and he's gonna go somewhere he's gonna get I mean good lord the bag of money that George Pickens is gonna get if he hits the free market will be he'll probably be the highest paid wide receiver like I think that's what will happen with the contract just a reminder of it didn't touchdowns didn't work out for him but his sophomore season he put up over 1100 yards on a team that had deontate Johnson on it deontate and play the full year but he appeared in 13 games George Pickens put up 1100 yards and do you guys remember who the quarterback was it was an amalgamation of Kenny picket and Mason and the ball the boys that George Pickens put up 1100 yards and if I'll quarterback or not no no it doesn't three quarters but he'll he had where the where the Kenny picket and shows up is five receiving touchdowns for George right on that amount of yardage so I'm just more on the side of of he can go somewhere that is not nearly as good as Dallas because it's like Dallas and Cincinnati are just the most generous fantasy offenses for for us right now but he can go somewhere and I think dominate even if it's not the 1500 yards and 10 touchdowns whatever it's still going to be like great and seeing the talent he doesn't have the Rashee rice off the field bonehead stuff he has on the field you know I we had two games where he looked like he quit this year right right that I definitely didn't help his case when he's trying to get a long term extension with Dallas so that is a that is part of the George Pickens experience don't lie to yourself and say it's not there but I think no matter where he goes it's still going to be wide receiver one stuff it may not be the Jamar elite but I think it's top 12 type of stuff dude freaking George man I'll never forget the play against the Lions where he does seemingly just ease up a little bit I think Kyle we took this is why I remember it in the DFS at DFS past that week we had I think it was over 20 and a half longest reception for George Pickens against that lines secondary that was beat up and I was like so many chances here we go George you can do it buddy and he just just didn't so that is part of the experience. It was weird he's like I think of playing dynasty football he's one of the best examples James and one of his other one's players where it's like you draft a player you believe you hope then you get this crazy ceiling outcome and you're like this is what I was I feel alive because I traded for George Pickens funnily enough I think you did the same thing another league Mike I traded him straight up for Brandon I you after Pickens rookie year and I thought I made the wrong decision I did it right after I you scintory that's a that's what's so funny is we did it on different ends of it and now I feel like he's at near top value we kind of talked me and my co manager my brother basically said if he does sign somewhere else next year there's another level of value that he will hit that like are we willing to wait even till then if to trade him for now we're still rebuilding but fun player in dynasty that for a lot of people use probably your wider see for three like you weren't counting on him to be an alpha and he just gave you an alpha season so let's hit quick break and we'll hit a couple more. Number six all right I'm going to go a little quick real quick because I thought of it while we were on board. Go for it. New England what are you doing? Why are you trading for AJ Brown when it's going to be expensive and you're going to have to pay him and he's what he's why are we 27 or 28 for AJ Brown I don't remember but he's 28 we're at we're there is a there is a gap in years why do they trade for George like was it yeah it's a ram will be 29 in a couple months dude whatever I'm excited to see what the draft picks are because it's like if it's really what's been leaked which is like a one and a two or something like that which would be crazy but we know it'll be expensive if you look at that trade and you're like you could have got it seems like you could have gotten pickings for that that'll be right a weird decision. All right, number six here. We're gonna go a little quicker about a couple running back questions of the second year running backs. So think of them in a startup draft. Who do you think is gonna produce like a star this year and therefore ascend in value? So of the Gentie, Hampton, Henderson, Juddkin, Scataboo, and I even gonna throw in Bichal Tutin, who's an interesting second year. Who do you feel like a year from now, Bets? You wanna call out, I was like, "Hey, I think a year from now, "if you took them in a startup, "they're gonna be more valuable." More valuable is different conversation than produce like a star because there's - Both warts and all these guys. - What? - Well, for the warts are usually on the outside. - On the inside this time, like watch out for that. - I don't know, there's internal warts. - Go see a doctor about that. - You're wrong, yes there are. But I think the one that I'm most excited about, I think people would agree with Omarian Hampton, but I feel like that's an easy answer. This team should win a ton of games. - It's easy 'cause it's the right age. - The offensive line will be healthier, Mike Botanio's scheme. It's not hard to convince people of that. Genti, it's like you buy into the draft capital, hopefully better quarterback play, hopefully just better systemic environment around him, and then it will happen. I think the real conversation that's interesting is like, could you see a true breakout from Bichal Tutin this year? I think it's possible. I don't know what the odds are, but I think it's possible. And then for me, the Traveon question, 'cause it's like, we all know we were all big fans of him, especially Mike and everything. And then Ramondra was just, he was good last year. Straight off, he was dependable and he filled a role for that team and all those things. But he will not be around forever. I think there's a period of time here where it might be another solid, kind of frustrating season for Traveon. And then next year, you have this buying opportunity where it's like moving forward, he could just be the guy and he could be awesome, which I think we all agree. It could be, I'm not really scared off by Ramondra long-term as far as dynasty outlook, yet in prices of startup and stuff, it kind of feels like that's baked in. So that's my answer, I guess, of the Nanomari and Hampton Group of Straybound Henderson. - Of this group, Hampton's the only one that I'm not scared of. Like, the Ashton Gentie last year was worrying. I mean, the team was so incredibly bad. Yes, they're upgrading the line. NFL coaches are listening to this or GMs. It's so easy. We know how to win. It's so easy. Just fix your freaking line. It's so weird. I'll bring this up on the pod. It was kind of a seeing, I mentioned it the Kyle of both Indiana running backs last, the last couple years with Mendoza. Very, very low in receptions. And those guys from their previous colleges, it's not that they were like, oh my God, these guys are dominating. But they had receptions. I mean, they were a part of the off. That was a part of it. So like, okay, is that a Mendoza thing? Is that a, that was the Indiana scheme? Not saying Gentie won't get any targets, but it's a, when a quarterback is a known, check down Charlie type of a quarterback. They always do it. You know, like when Philip Rivers, you're like, oh boy, I know my, I know my running backs about to get just pelted with targets. That's a question mark for me. They're offends. How long does it take? So Gentie like freaks me out. I am, I am now more nervous about Ramondray. What, with what happened this year of, you had the breakout of Henderson. Like it happened. And then Ramondray came back and they were like, yeah, that was nice. Right. We're just gonna go back to what we're doing with Ramondray. You're like, did you not see how good Henderson is? And so the fact that he went right back into that role, I'm more nervous about him. And looking at Ramondray's contract over the next two years, I think he'll just be a patriot. Now, if there is Vrable still the coach, I assume so, but with the Rassini situation still being flooding social media, I mean, we're, it's not impossible that the Patriots are just like, okay, we got to move on. So like the Henderson freaks me out. Juddkins is the Browns capping him. Scataboo with all the rumors of their work. They were in on Jeremiah Love. Maybe that was a smoke screen, but I'm saying all of these players freak me out, except for Hampton. They're not, not safe. Free, that's too strong. But all of them have concerns where Hampton to me seems to, as long as the talent is what the charges thought and other people thought about Hampton, that he's going to be the one that will gain value. - You're essentially using your fifth, six round pick on some of these running backs that I just wonder a year from now, will you look back and be like, oh gosh, like there was a wider seabird sitting there. Or let's say in the fifth round, you're able to get like Warren or Fanon. It's like, I'd rather have those guys. - Right. - And then load up at running back later, which leads to my next question. Which is number five. - These were the running backs. These were the chosen ones. That class was so good. - Yes. - And those players, they're all, the players are very good. It's just when what we are looking for for fantasy is different than what the NFL teams are looking for. As a class, if we're just loading up the class, we've given the numbers of like, here's what they did, yards from scrimmage. Here's how awesome they were. And then when you start going the individual situations, you're like, this isn't like so clean where all of these guys are going to crush for the next four years. That's the worry I have with a couple of these guys, especially taking them in a startup. But let's say that you have a stud running back to the first four or five rounds. So you've taken that guy, you feel really good about it. I think this is where people win Dynasty Championships is they find veteran running backs that are falling in their drafts. And in startups, nobody wants to take somebody like, I don't know, JK Dobbins or Aaron Jones Sr. any of these dudes or the rookies from this year. I don't, like, it is a mystery where somebody would take Emmett Johnson or Nicholas Singleton or like, I don't know where those guys should go. I don't like even ADP, I'm like, I don't know what you should do with those guys. Is there anybody I'm looking at our rankings that are going past pick 100 in a startup draft and in our rankings that you're like, hey, I think this guy's a good value. If I was in a startup and the way that we mostly do startups is like, hey, I'm trying to win now or in a two year window, anybody from pick 100 on bets you want to highlight real quick. - I think both Pittsburgh backs are totally fine. Target, space off their cost. I mean, I've been a Warren guy for a while, just to use undervalid as a talent. The question mark is like, what is the split this year? Rico obviously has familiarity with McCarthy, but both guys are buried in startup costs because they're not league winning backs yet. I think one of these guys could turn an RB2 production this year. So I like both of those targets. Have you considered the someone tweeted about, I'm sorry, who said it, so I don't remember, but the, you know, our draft capital is everything. The Pittsburgh Steelers, if we're gonna count Heiden Reich, am I saying his name right? - Yep. - If you count him as like the RB3, what you know, maybe he will or not won't be Warren, undrafted, Ricoh Dattel, undrafted, and then Eli, seventh round pick. This is like, what a running back room. And yet we're not concerned about it at all. - They're built in a smart way at the running back position as far as financially. Or you could just, you know, on a bad team take a running back with the third overall pick. - They watched the Raiders and they were like, that was so good last year. Let's do that. The other guy that is basically a one year rental, in my opinion, if you're kind of going for it in year one, will be Tony Pollard. Again, more just volume based, not inspiring. - I will never draft Tony Pollard. (laughing) 29 years old, they could have cut him Kyle by now. They didn't, I like Brian Debel's offense. I believe in Cam Ward, so Tony Pollard is a one year going for it this year, rental in my opinion. - I like the Panthers guys, if you're just taking a shot, if it's Chuba, who another non-sexy name, even Jonathan Brooks, who knows what he is. But those are the kind of names that I'm like, I'll take a shot. - De, I like both Broncos players, where Dobbins is a this year. And it's like, I mean, just the history of what has happened with JK Dobbins, like you can't for, I would not forecast him to be the starter of the Denver Broncos next year. I think you very much is this year. Like I think Dobbins is a crazy value in redraft right now. Look what he did last year. He's, I bet he does that again. Like I think that's what the offense will be. And then my forecasting is, Dobbins gone next year, Coleman given the opportunity. Is he good enough to take that job and make sure that the Denver Broncos don't add somebody else? I think so. But Coleman is, Coleman's tough in rookie drafts right now, I think because you have to take him pretty high because of how gross the running backs were for the rookies. But I don't think it's great this year, unless I mean, Dobbins gets hurt, which he pretty much just always gotten hurt. So Coleman, I think is a play for next year where Dobbins would be this year. Alright, I'm gonna finish up a couple quick hitters here. Number four. There's a point in your draft where you're drafting wide receivers and you're asking yourself, do I chase upside or do I chase known commodities? So if you sort by a ranks, you're going to see players that have very different trajectories with them. So for instance, back to back in our rankings is Omar Cooper Jr. We have no idea what he is. And Jaden Reed, which are actually kind of similar yak players, but it's like, which one of those do I pick or a little bit further? Do I go with Khalil Shakir? Hey, I know what this guy is in the offense. He's a wide receiver three or Matthew Golden, who's right next to him. So how do you guys weigh that out in your drafts? Or is it just like, Hey, you need a mix. You need to have some upside guys and you need guys that, Hey, Khalil Shakir, you could start your flex. I'm also looking at Travis Hunter being ranked below these other high wide receivers. And it's, oh man. And I don't I don't know what to do with Travis Hunter. I woo the sentiment of what is right now could be 100% wrong. And we all got grifted by the Jags. And they're like, he's going to be more corner of ex psych. He's a 100% wide receiver. And he's a good player. That's a sidebar of his. I don't know what to do with him. When I'm looking at names that gross that to me, it's like, I guess Reed has weak winning potential. He's done that. And he'll probably do that a couple times this year. But it's like Shakir. No, it's not you'll never put Shakir in your lineup and be like, I heck yeah, man. I can't believe I won because Khalil Shakir's four points squeaks in them. So that one I'm, I'm definitely going. I'm going upside over over that. So I guess that's a good way to look at it is if I take this player, even if I don't get his weeks, you know, he's going to happen on the bench. Will there ever be weeks where it's just like, holy crap, look at that player went off at least a couple times. If they can't do that, you can't say yes to that then just take the upside. I agree. At this point in the draft, you already have multiple starting known commodities at wide receiver. I hope by this point in the draft. So at this point, I am, I'm with Mike. I'm shooting for upside. Yeah, just a bunch of Matthew Goldens at the end. Just to to realize the coach bench. Okay. Allegedly number three. I will say, if you haven't seen my Christian Watson ranking, better put on the, better put on the arm, let him up right here. Look at that thing. Mike, you're just called him out as a right redift. I just called him out as, oh my god, that's unhealthy. Okay. Share it. I know. We got to talk about it now. I'm seeing wide receiver 14. Yeah. Yeah. It's happening. Uh oh. Kyle guys. It's happening. I didn't call him a fade on our best ball podcast. Totally fine. Hey, that's a different. So you're, you're Matthew Golden then someone on that offense is going to be great. Martian Lloyd. That's going to be there. There it is. All right. We're back. Yeah. I don't, we'll see if Watson stays anywhere near there. But I've looked at my numbers again. I'm like, dude, I really think he's going to break through this year. Yeah. The argument, right? It's like we've had the wide receiver rotation for the last like four years. It's like those guys are gone. Like the fifth and sixth option. I'm going on. So I just think naturally all these guys are going to run more routes this year than they have any season in the last three. And if Watson keeps the same efficiency on more routes, I think this is possible. He's just been so efficient whenever he's on the field. Yeah. All right. My question real quick is about your second quarterback. And I want you to name somebody that's deep in our ranking as you go, Hey, I would be very excited about this player being my QB two in dynasty. And I can wait for him, especially in one quarterback league. Give me a name. Tyler Schuck. That was going to be mine, Mike. Then then we agree that people are about to get shocks tonight. Like I'm all in, man. Yeah. I'm all in as they say. As they say. Well, that's what that's what he says. I like Schuck. I also think as I mentioned it multiple times already. I'm a believer in I think cam Ward can level up to some degree. Now he won't be a top seven or eight guy. But like I think you could surprise people and finishes like the quarterback 13 this year. And you're like, wow, that was huge return on my investment. All right. I'm fine. I feel like these guys are more like in the QB three territory like Kyler or Sam Darnold goes so late. And I think Kyler will parlay this into an actual starting job. So that with the price, like I'm totally fine with paying that for what he can be for fantasy and then Darnold. I think he's a fine QB two not sexy. You probably can start him in the right matchups. He'll probably have five top 12 finishes. But looking at this list, like he's cheap. And I think he'll keep his job is Kyler going to number two. Keep the Minnesota Vikings job or is it going to be like good luck Chuck where everyone who goes to play quarterback for the Vikings, then they just become a franchise somewhere else. I'm fine either way. Like in terms of his value. Yeah, he gets a starting job. He gets a starting job. Because he's been on my roster and been dead recently. And now he has life. He has life. Give me a tie. Then later in startups, do you go, hey, I'm excited about this guy. He's probably going to be my tied in two. But I'm kind of excited about him. You go first, but. Okay. This is hard because it's basically the veterans. When you get down to, you know, Jake Ferguson range. The one guy that I think people have sourdough maybe a little too much that I'm still interested in is don't compete. I know it's his knee injury has kind of been plaguing him last couple of years. But like went on the field. He's been efficient. So I'm okay with that. I don't think it's like a slam dunk. But he means the other guy that's a little bit later that's still young as Breton strange. And we saw some really nice moments last year from him. I think if you were on the side of. You know, like trying to think of the future. Obviously this is a couple chess moves ahead where it could just completely blow up on your face. Like if you're like, a George is gone. After this year. Jake Ferguson, when one of the when when either George is out the field or CD is out the field, the dude produces like when they call upon him to be the number two option. He's very solid for fantasy. Now he's not when those when the two elite wide receivers are there Ferguson is this is like, unplayable. But just throwing that out of he has that ability should they move on from George and they're just like, okay, we're back to Ferguson. I think it'll be solid. The other one out throughout is just it's a conco of the left. Oh, you had the button. Cued up my thumb was on the button. I was ready. I'm in. Washington, you know, the last couple of years, it's like Zach Hertz is giving us numbers. And the guy is toast like you see, like, and old conco is still very good and athletic. He can give you huge plays. So if they they truly unlock him because they gave him the money, then he will he will like rise up a ton in value. I think he's him and like, stowers are the guys that if things break right, we'll just skyrocket. Yeah. And I just like how cheap he is. You're not asking him to be much more than yeah, then you're tied into, but he has room to finish. I don't know, tied in eight. Like he could easily be tied to date this season. So. Number one. All right. I just went through this process in a mock and I'm about to do it. Someone else, but how much roster turnover should someone expect with their team within a year or two, knowing they're doing a startup of let's say 25 rounds, maybe 30 rounds, but like going through your whole roster, you're drafting it there. It's a startup. But how many of those positions do you think are turning over within a year? I mean, your last what like eight picks, probably or cut within a year, unless you have a taxi spot for a week, but like, I don't know. A third within two years, maybe more. Yeah, it's going to be more than you realize. Like you'll have some blue chip guys, hopefully from your draft that are on your roster for a long, long, long time. But the percentage of the low later rounds hitting is so low and it's hilarious because you you will get into your drafts. If you're in a slow draft and you get on the clock with your whatever 13th, 14th pick and you're just looking at the names of your, you're just like, you were sweating and grinding this out of your like, I'm going to make the perfect dick and you, you're researching, you're checking rankings, you're doing all this stuff and then you put in the pick and you're so pumped and so confident. And then that guy's going to be on the way for wire next year. It's a really funny thing that happens to us. Yeah, it's going to be guys that are out of the league. I, you know, I go through our database for the UDK and it's like all these names of guys like, oh yeah, I drafted that guy in dynasty like Quincy and Nuna was a guy that I like, that's a good, that was a fun pull. But I like, I took him in dynasty in a startup and he never really was anything. He was a jet and I think he was a lion for a second and like off my roster very quickly. We had Who was the superstar from, what was he, Tampa, or then he was on the chiefs? - Justin Watson. - Justin Watson. I remember. You guys were doing it. I think it was Dino Jr. - Jason Sweated so much about that pick. - It was like late. And then did you take him? - I took him with like maybe my second or second of last pick. - Yes, you took him and he was legit mad. Like legit. - Jason Madd and upset that you got Justin Watson and he didn't, as you both were like this, yeah, he's gonna be a superstar. Of course he's not, but so funny how much of our heart goes into these late picks that you don't need to do that. You don't need to sweat. - Well, like if that's wrong, I don't wanna be right. That's the best part. - Yeah, the first couple rounds are easy, right? These are the studs, these are the guys. That's where the money is made, man. Round 12 of a startup, put your research in. And then cut that guy. - Round 24, round 24, you're like, I don't know who these guys are, but hey, I took Justin Watson that year and I won the league that year. Never forget that it was a champion. Yeah, I haven't done well since. That's gonna do it for this episode. Make sure you check out the Dynasty Ranking's UltimateDraftKid.com and we'll see you again next week. (upbeat music) Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast. If you wanna take your Dynasty skills to the next level, check out the Fantasy Footballers.com.