306. The TikTok Double Homicide - The Murder of Ana Abulaban and Rayburn Barron

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Our sources for this episode are NBC San Diego San Diego dot gov CBS eight dot com times of San Diego dot com New York Post 10 news dot com people dot com oxygen dot com USA inquire dot net e online dot com rolling stone dot com variety dot com and tick tock star murders. Oh, okay. That makes a little sense because nowadays anyone can become a celebrity without ever stepping foot out of their front door with things like YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, even only fans. All you really need is a cell phone to get your face in front of thousands. If not millions of people, but when fame is that accessible and that achievable to just about anyone, the smallest taste can be like a drug. Every single like can create a serotonin boost. Every positive comment is a hit that leaves you wanting more. And if this attention starts to fade away, it can be like an addict coming down from a high. And over time, it can turn people into someone we no longer recognize, including a cold blooded killer. Oh, okay. And so today I want you guys to meet Anna Marie Abulabon, hello, baby. Now Anna spent her early years growing up in the Philippines in the mid 90s, but with her father in the military, they eventually moved to Okinawa, Japan, and lived on the base there. And that's where Anna made a lot of lifelong friends, other kids who were living on the base in this subtropical part of the country. They made memories on the beaches there together. And friends of Anna said in the early years, she was like most teenagers. She was a little nerdy. She was finding herself. She loved video games. She was maybe a little insecure, socially awkward. But Anna was one of the most caring, compassionate people they had ever met. And she was a loyal friend through and through. And those friends helped her find her confidence over the years as she blossomed into a beautiful, empowered young woman. And then she met Ali Abulabon. It was 2014, when 21 year old Anna laid eyes on 22 year old Ali for the first time. He was a US soldier in the military from Virginia, but also stationed on the base in Japan where she lived. And while she was quiet and more reserved, Ali was always the center of attention. He had a huge personality. He was the singer in a band and right away they gravitated towards each other in an opposites attract sort of way. Ali came from a Middle Eastern Muslim family. So they were a lot more religious than honest family. But Ali himself didn't consider religion a big part of his like outside life personality. In fact, he almost seemed to butt heads with his family quite a bit when it came to traditionalism. He was always sort of the black sheep of the family, the loud boy stress one who was making home videos, doing different skits and dances and characters for the camera. It was clear to everyone who knew Ali that he wanted to make something of himself one day. Honestly, he kind of wanted to be a star, which maybe why he found that college wasn't for him. He dropped out early and joined the Air Force when he was around 19 years old. Ali told people he really wanted to better himself both mentally and physically and he felt the Air Force was the way to do that. So he was stationed in Japan for what was supposed to be about two to three years of service. But things didn't go exactly as planned. So not long after Ali and Anna started dating, they were out at a bar with a few other people. In that night, a drunk Ali got into a fight with one of Anna's friends and actually assaulted them. Some thought it was because Ali was jealous. This person had made a pass at his new girlfriend. Really, it was just one of the earliest red flags. And I'm not sure exactly what happened during this fight, but I do know it got back to Ali's superiors on base and it got him discharged from the military, which meant Ali was now headed back to America. But he and Anna weren't quite ready to call it quits because just a few weeks after Ali returned to live with his family in Bristol, Virginia in 2015, Anna learned she was pregnant. Now by this point, Anna's family had moved back to the Philippines. And after Ali went back to America, Anna moved back in with her parents in her home country to figure out her next step. So they've both left Japan, returned home to their families, but Anna is pregnant. But now it seemed like the universe was making decisions for them. Both Anna and Ali were excited but nervous, though they saw this as a sign that they were definitely meant to be together. So Ali helped Anna apply for a visa so she could move to the United States and they could be together as a family. Now, of course, this did take some time and eventually Anna gave birth to the couple's little girl back in the Philippines and they named her Amira. And when she was about nine months old, Ali and Anna received some good news. news. Anna was approved to move to the States with their young daughter, and by the end of 2016, Anna and Amira were in Bristol, Virginia, living with Ali and his family all underneath the same roof. Now in January of 2017, they decided to make their relationship more official. They didn't have a huge elaborate wedding. Instead, they just went down to the courthouse, but to Ali and Anna, only one thing was important at the time, starting their lives together as one happy family. And around this same time, social media was seeing a massive shift. TikTok formerly musically had launched in 2016, and it was clear that anyone could become a celebrity from their own home using nothing but their phone, maybe a ring light. I think this like first started with Vine, where you were seeing average people blow up and get so many followers. And for Ali, it was the perfect pool. As the kid who always wanted to entertain and be the center of attention, Ali saw TikTok as a way to gain more exposure early on, get his face and his antics in front of more people. So he hopped on the app a lot earlier than the rest of us, and he navigated it pretty well. He began making little comedy videos, imitating characters from video games, characters from movies like John Wick, and his iconic Al Pacino in Scarface. And honestly, he was pretty good at it. He really committed to the bit and was incredible at doing impressions and little by little, he gained a following on the app under the handle, Jin kid on TikTok. Yes. So a gin in Japanese is like an entity or ghost, if I'm understanding right. And Ali thought it was a catchy word to attach kid to and since he had served in Japan, well, he came up with the name and from there, it was off to the races. And the more views, likes and followers he got, the more Ali lost himself in gin kid, he becomes obsessed with his platform. He begins including Ana in a lot of his videos. It almost seemed like something they really enjoyed doing together. And a lot of those early TikToks, they're seen together laughing, joking around, having a lot of fun. Ana would even play characters and some of his skits. She said it brought them closer than ever before. Social media is such a wild place. It's crazy. I'm like anything else out there. Right. Especially those early days. Yeah. I mean, even now though, like it's just such a, like an escape. Like you don't know what's real. You don't know what's not real. You don't know how people really are behind closed doors. It's just such an interesting place. And think like 2017, 2018 couples doing skits was not as big as it became in like 2021. Yeah. Sure. So they were definitely like early on that. Yeah. Now she says it really brought them closer together. And it actually brought even more attention to all these pages by having Ana in those videos. They become a couple page essentially. And then around 2019 into 2020, probably like for any other TikTok or things really started picking up steam. All he got himself a manager to help promote his content. He started getting some small brand deals becoming an influencer. Plus his videos were going viral by now. One day, one of Ana's old friends was fed JinKids content on her feed and was shocked to see Ana in a video alongside him. And that's when a lot of people started to realize they were becoming TikTok famous by 2020. Keep in mind, this is one like most of us were getting on the app. All he had amassed two million followers. And Ana's fame was starting to grow separately on her own account now. Now when the pandemic hit Ana board and stuck at home began making her own videos with her friends. And partially thanks to Ali, her following got bigger and bigger to soon her style changed. She began dressing differently. She began working out more. She was getting brand deals was fighting her confidence. But it wasn't really what made her happy. Her family, daughter and friends were what was most important to her. And unlike Ali, TikTok felt more like a hobby to her than a passion. And while she was definitely getting more attention online, she felt lonelyer and lonelyer at home as they began blowing up. I wonder, gosh, 2020 is such an awkward time because they probably weren't making their money full time from brands. Like it was just, it was still pretty new at that point. I feel like, you know what I'm saying? I mean, like, high house probably hasn't even started yet. Yeah. So it's like, I don't know if brands were really, I would assume paying what they pay now. They pay me now. I don't know. No idea. I've never done a TikTok ad. So wrong person to ask. But it was definitely right around the corner. Like it was definitely about to get big. She's feeling lonelyer at home, though, because even though they're like, it should be on a high because of the way their life is changing. Ali was dedicating a lot more of his personal time to his own social media presence. Her friends said she felt like she was living Ali's life, not her own like her whole life had become this TikTok thing. He had his family in Virginia, but her family and friends were so far away back in the Philippines. So that's when one of her friends, Julia, who was living in San Diego at the time, suggested, hey, like leave Virginia and come out to California and visit. She figured a vacation and a break from being a mom and a wife for just a weekend might do her some good. And that trip really changed everything for Anna and Ali. So after having to convince Ali to let her go, Anna goes and falls in love with the city. And she sort of got a piece of herself back, felt a little bit independent. She and her friends were getting dressed up, going out dancing, and being back with friends, many of whom she had grown up with in Japan made her realize how much she missed having her own circle around her. Interesting. I mean, yeah, that'd be tough. That'd be tough. And if you're not someone who like, well, also, she's just a mom. She has an entire life. It's not as easy as like just being a young adult on your own, going somewhere new and trying to make friends. So when she gets back to Virginia, she pitched something to Ali. She's like, Hey, I know we moved to California for a little while. Try it out. It definitely took some convincing, but with L.A. being just a few hours from San Diego, Ali saw the benefit for his career. Ultimately, he wanted his fame to grow beyond TikTok. He wanted to become an actor, a comedian, get on a bigger screen. So he eventually agreed. And in February of 2021, Ali, Ana and their baby, Amira moved out to California. They got a place in a luxury apartment building overlooking the water, high above the city. So they, I mean, they're making money at this point. It sounds like on the 35th. I mean, they have millions of followers. And at first, Ana was really grateful that Ali agreed to move so much so that she felt she had to do whatever it took to make him comfortable there. Now that he was moving somewhere, he didn't have anyone. So she encouraged Ali to go up to L.A. for several nights in a row, meet up with other creators, and maybe even try out some stand-up comedy in a few nightclub. This is so interesting. I wonder if I've seen him on TikTok. I bet you probably have. Like, I wonder if I've seen his face if I would recognize it because the name does not ring any bells. She was definitely supportive in letting him chase his dreams in California too. But when people started recognizing Ali out in public and the fame began to seep into real life, people say it brought out the worst in him. Turns out, a lot of Ana's friends said they never really liked Ali. They found him intolerable and obnoxious. They talked about himself constantly, would say uncomfortable things. Always thought he was better than everyone else, even before the fame. You would walk into rooms and say things like, "Don't you know who I am?" And at this point, the partying was getting really out of control. Both Ana and Ali would go out often, and Ali began using a lot of cocaine. Soon it extended to nights when they weren't even out at the clubs. They would be dining at a restaurant and Ali would pull out a baggy at the table. A baggy. Don't do drugs, kids. People felt like he felt he was allowed to do whatever he wanted with no repercussions. Eventually, he even started using drugs during his live streams. Ana would tell him to stop and put the phone down in those moments. I think you can do that. No, you can't. This is, I mean, 2021, yeah, it's not as regulated yet. And like on live, the audience begins to see this behavior, too, because he's now like sneaking drugs during a live. And Ana is in the back, like, don't do that. And he will, like, full-blown yell at her in, like, on live, just snap at her. I need to look videos up after this. - What are you going? Luke's gonna be there. - I told you we're going to hotel. - Yeah, he's not there. - He's not there, and you're going. - He's not there. - Why did he have to bring a kid? - No way, he's never gone girls, he's stupid. - Obviously, the couple would caption their videos with things like, when your relationship is drama-free, like other relationship videos out there. - That's what I'm saying, though, you just. - We all know social media is not real life. - Never believe anything you see on social media. - And it is always interesting with couple creators to see like, they're posting these videos, like just a couple of videos, and then the next day they post a video being like, we're breaking up by, and people get so confused, 'cause they're like, whoa, you were still posting your skits. - I understand it now. - You get the job, right? So they're doing it because they have brand deals as a job. They're trying to make money, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all. - For sure, but that's the thing, it's a job. - Yeah. - And honestly, the more perfect someone portrays themselves to be online, chances are the less perfect, it might all be, we overcompensate a little bit as humans, and that was certainly the case with Anna and Ollie. On his friends said, from the moment they moved to San Diego, they could tell how controlling Ollie was. She had to ask his permission to go out. - Oh, jeez. - And oftentimes he told her no. He wanted to control what she was doing. He had control over what she was wearing, who she was spending her time with. And a lot of that had to do with the fact that Anna was happy in San Diego finally. She had her own community there. She was coming out of her shell, and he was gaining her own following, getting attention and positive reinforcement from strangers, both online and in the real world. - It sounds like he was jealous. - He was threatened by it, so he starts saying things to exercise that control. Things like, well, I'm the one that brought you to America. You wouldn't have any of this. - Oh, that's insane. - Like, I'm the one who brought you here. I'm the one who started musically. - Basically treating her like property, honestly, rather than just this partner that's on this venture with him. And Anna and Ollie did a good job of hiding these marital issues for a while. Friends of Anna's new, Ollie wasn't a good match for her, but he was her husband. They had a kid together. They just didn't feel like it was their place to step in because she wasn't being as open about these things. That is until spring of 2021, just a few months after they moved to San Diego. Because with a couple now closer to Anna's friends, they got a peek into what was really going on behind closed doors and it was not good. One afternoon, around that time, Anna and her friend Julia went to the gym and then back to Anna's apartment to pick up a mirror. Julia said Ollie was there and when they showed up, he was incredibly mad at Anna for something. So he pulled her into the bedroom to talk to her because Julia is there, but then Julia can hear them fighting. She could tell that it was escalating. He began throwing things. He was screaming obscenities. And then suddenly, Anna came bursting out of the room, grabbed a mirror and rushed Julia out of the apartment. It seems like Anna actually stayed at Julia's house that night with her daughter because Julia said Ollie was texting on a nonstop for the next 24 hours demanding that she bring their daughter home. And that's when the concern really started to set in for Julia, having witnessed it firsthand. She wondered if this was a regular occurrence, like this level of fighting, taking the child and leaving. But Anna played it off saying, "No, we'll talk it out later, it was just a bad fight." Everything's gonna be fine, which is even more of a red flag because clearly it's not. It soon became clear though to not just honest friends, but to their followers as well that this was becoming the norm between Anna and Ollie because over time, it wasn't just on live streams, Ollie starts recording their fights as well. - No way in posting them? - Posting them for sympathy. He's like, "Oh, this is a toxic relation. "Look at what I have to put up with." Like literally playing the victim. - That's wild. - Talk to me, respond to my text. I give you seven texts. You're not responding. You're not answering my calls. You said you're not going out tonight. You lie to me all the time. - Like he's clearly unwell because he's posting it, trying to be the victim, but in the videos, he's saying things like, "You're my woman B word." I brought you to this effing country. You should be kissing my feet. And I know this sounds like outrageous, but my I add, there are still creators on TikTok today with mass following that like, it's exploitative. The things that they're famous for. There's people who have tons of following because their house is messy or have tons of, you know what I mean? Like it's like, not just like anyone. - Yeah, but this is like teeter time, I mean teeter time. This is like domestic violence at this point, domestic abuse. - Oh, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. But it's just so weird how TikTok literally people mass followings for negative reason. - I mean, there's TV shows around like hoarders. - That's true, right? It's the same thing. - Yeah, that's true. - He starts recording posts in these things. He would also yell at her for not having sex with him, saying it's been almost a month. She's got to be seeing someone else 'cause how should she go that long without having sex with him? - I mean, this was really personal stuff. He was blasting out to followers. - That's the reason she's not having sex with you 'cause you guys are fighting, dude. - And it's wildly disturbing. But it's also some of the many signs of being in a domestically abusive relationship, control, gaslighting threats. And in honest case, she does feel like Ali has power and control over her. She doesn't wanna lose her visa. - Yeah, I get that. - She doesn't wanna get sent back to the Philippines. That could mean losing her daughter too. It's an intense situation. And in one of these videos, Ali even calls Ali's mother to try and have her mediate between the two of them. And she's no help at all. She says to Ana, well, why do you keep getting back with him? What do you want me to do? Do you want me to try to put him in jail? Meanwhile, honest just trying to get him out of the house for a while and is hoping to find some sympathy and support. - What a great mother-in-law, by the way. And I think there was a section of people too who maybe thought this was performative, like skits to try to give views. - Oh, okay. - It's like those couples who post cheating things like finding out my husband's cheating on me, but it's every single video in a different way. So I'm sure there were people who were like, oh, this is just clickbait, you know? But over time, these threats begin changing. Around July of 2021, he starts threatening suicide. He tells Ana that he'll take his own life if she leaves him. But Ana also knows this home is no longer safe for her daughter. Allie has a gun in the house and apparently, even takes it out of its case one day and starts pointing it at himself during a fight while a mere other daughter is sleeping on the couch. But every time Ana takes her daughter and leaves, Allie loves bombs her, begs her to come back, tries to win her over textbook, behavior, terrifying. And in this case, it is exacerbated by his obsession with fame and his cocaine addiction because he's putting these fights on social media and people are supporting him. People begin making nasty comments about Ana, feeding into the behavior. - How have I never seen this? - It's just a niche corner. - Millions of fault, niche corner. - Yeah. - At the big end, 2021, 22, that's a lot. - Yes. - I had to have seen one of these and just not realized. This is crazy. Which in Allie's mind must reassure his thoughts, like, oh, you know, I'm the victim to my audience, but you can see how people like Ana might get trapped in these scenarios and can't see a way out. Usually the abuser has something they're holding over their victim's head. In this case, it's her daughter. Plus, it's possible she didn't feel like anyone could truly help her. And I say this because Ana calls the police to their apartment several times and Allie records these interactions too. You can hear him in one video sweet talking the cops and laying on the charm, saying to them that his wife just wants him to leave the house so she can have it to herself. And saying, quote, it's a woman's world, man. One morning, Ana even called Allie's cousin, Louis, who also lived in San Diego and asked him to come pick her and amira up. He brought her over to Julius' house where they saw the whole left side of her face was bruised. After that, Ana began texting him pictures threatening to post them online. It's both who he really was saying, I'm gonna show all the followers what you've done to me. But that's when Allie snapped. The last thing he wanted was to look like the villain, especially to his online following, losing that fame would mean losing everything to Allie. And he was not gonna let that happen. And while things escalated from there, the violence wasn't something new in this relationship. While Allie and his mother denied this, apparently Allie had punched Ana in the face back when they started dating in Japan. - What's up with Allie's mom? Yo, I don't even care if she's listening to this. I just messed up. You like supporting domestic abuse and violence is crazy to me. It's just not, it's not okay. - And that might have had something to do with why he was discharged from the military. But around the fall of 2021, Allie does something that really makes Ana say, okay, enough is enough. Because after months, maybe even years. "of falsely accusing her of cheating on him." A neighbor in their building reaches out to Anna and she says, "Hey, just so you know, I slept with your husband." She said the two of them met in the building elevator. She was a neighbor, he invited her over, they were messing around and then she learned he had a wife. This woman also said that he poured out a huge bag of cocaine on their coffee table and they were just doing massive amounts. While talking horribly about Anna and that's when the other woman realized, okay, he's basically trouble and I'm gonna let Anna know. So Anna confronts all the about it and he admits it. He even doubles down, he starts sending her voice notes saying that he slept with girls in Los Angeles and Miami. - What is happening? - He's been finding attention elsewhere because she doesn't give it to him and she disrespects him. She's been depriving him of sex. I mean, just awful things. And that's when Anna realizes I'm done, done. She packs up her stuff, takes a mirror and the two move out of the apartment and let Ollie stay there alone. Now, on October 6th, 2021, Anna decides to update her following. She posts a video talking about how she's finally out of a seven year toxic relationship and an abusive marriage. And this hits a nerve with Ollie because again, he believes TikTok is his domain and now he's afraid his reputation will be on the line that his followers will even side with her and what makes him even more pissed is he thinks at this point, Anna has her eye on someone else. Someone she's been friends with for a while, that's maybe becoming a little more than friends. - I'm so confused after he slept with multiple women. - It's just toxic. - Yeah. - A guy named Rayburn Barron. Now, Rayburn was 29 years old. He was someone who always put his friends and family before himself. And that very much included Anna, especially when she was going through the most trying time of her young life. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot out there about Rayburn and he often gets lost in Anna and Ollie's story. But I can't tell you one thing. He was a real bright light in the story for Anna. Honestly, like a night in shining armor, someone who taught her that she was worthy of real love, someone who seemed to teach her courage, give her new lease on life. There's debate about whether there was anything romantic going on between the two of them. Some of her friends say no, they were just friends. Others say there was more to it, but they were getting very close by that October. And with Rayburn's help, it seems like Anna was finally on the track to leaving Ollie for good. And Ollie knew Rayburn was a factor in this. He had always been jealous of him when he came around. Maybe he sensed there was something between the two of them, but he made it clear he did not like Rayburn. And when he heard they were spending more time together after their separation, that's when things really escalated. Anna was still receiving daily, if not hourly threats from Ollie, but she was looking towards the future, trying not to give it too much oxygen. She was happy and living with a weight off her shoulders finally. Though some of her friends were definitely worried about what Ollie was capable of. They knew he was manipulative, conniving. He had a gun, but Anna always reassured them, listen. He's not gonna do anything to like, critically hurt me. Unfortunately though, Ollie was already planning his next move. One day in mid-October, he told Anna that he would go stay in a hotel so that she and Amira could live at the apartment. Anna's like, oh, okay, this is an olive branch, but Ollie knew it was an opportunity. They moved her things in and his things out, but he got a copy of the new set of electronic key cards she made without her knowledge. And on October 21st, he does something will change the course of a lot of people's lives. That day, Anna's back in the apartment with Amira and takes five-year-old Amira to school that morning. But while she's gone, Ollie shows up and lets himself back into the apartment and not to get like some of his leftover belongings. No, he goes in and trashes the entire apartment. He also puts an app on his daughter's iPad, basically like a listening app. And then he hides the iPad under the couch. So around 11 a.m., Anna returns. Ollie is gone, but it's obvious he was there 'cause the place is a mess. Probably a distraction for hiding the iPad in the first place. So she calls her friend Julia and says, hey, I need your help. It's gonna take me all day to clean this place. There's stuff all over the floor, broken glass. She wants to know if Julia can pick Amira up as school in a few hours. And Julia's like, yeah, I got this. But Anna, you gotta get out of there. Anna says she knows and is planning to go straight to the police station after she's done to get a restraining order against Ollie. Now after Anna hangs up with Julia, she calls Rayburn and asks, hey, can you come by and help me clean up this mess? So he does. But then what does Ollie hear from the listening app on the iPad? - Rayburn's voice. - Everything. - Rayburn's voice inside Anna's apartment. And he loses his mind. He gets in his car, drives back to the apartment complex around 2.50 pm. He parks and then gets in the elevator. And. - What an absolute loser. - What a loser, yeah. - He turns his camera on his phone on to start recording. What's about to happen? In this video, which is obviously gonna become evidence, you can see him making small talk with someone on the right up to the 35th floor as if nothing is wrong. He then gets off the elevator. And while it's just audio at this point, 'cause he's like holding his phone up, you hear him open the apartment door, then you can hear Rayburn's voice saying, whoa, followed by four gunshots. - Holy crap. - Anna is yelling as you can hear Ollie in the video, reload the gun and fire two more times. He then shot her, taking both of their lives. Then he leaves the apartment, paces the hallway, then goes back inside. And that's when he screams Anna's name a few times, acting like he just realized what he did. - I don't even care what the scum of the earth, just low, low, low. Insane, insane. - And then what does he do? - I don't know. Oh, kills himself. - No. - Oh. - How's his mom? - Having with the mom said, what do the mom say? - He says, "Hey, I just shot my wife and her friend." And his mom doesn't believe him. So he takes pictures of the crime scene and text them to her as proof. - Okay. - All right. - A short while later, Julia is on her way to the school to pick up a mirror, which like let's just not forget that they have a full blown daughter at school. As she's pulling up to the school, she sees Ali getting into his car with a mirror. This obviously terrifies Julia because she's like, I know the situation here. Like Anna does not want you picking her up. Like there's no mistake here. So she starts following Ali and calling Anna repeatedly to be like, hey, he just picked her up. - Oh, that's so sad, yeah. - Obviously, of course, Anna's not answering. Eventually, Ali makes a turn and Julia loses him, but luckily, the cops were already on his trail. - Thank goodness, okay. - A neighbor had heard the gunshots and called 911 immediately. And they knew Ali, they saw him in the hallway. So they knew it was him who had done it. So police quickly put out an APB for Ali and his black Jeep Wrangler because they have his name. And thank goodness they catch him quickly on the highway. Without much incident because Amir is still in the car. Who knows? - This is horrible. - Ali apparently had even told the little girl when he picked her up that day that he had hurt mommy. This was she tells police. That day, she also watched her father get arrested by the police. - Poor girl. Like just he not only ruined other people's lives. He ruined his own, he ruined his daughter's life. But sorry, ruin is the wrong word. He caused a tremendous amount of trauma. And now she doesn't have a mom and she doesn't have a dad. - And this is like attached to her. - Yeah, so sad. - Meanwhile, news is starting to spread to honest friends that something's wrong. Because like Julia is now onto something. Something's going on and they're pretty sure it's what they've all been dreading. Five hours after being taken into custody, Ali just ups and confesses to the martyrs. He was charged with two counts of first degree as well as several other charges. And while Ali is in jail awaiting trial, he does an interview. And not only does he show very little remorse for what he did, but he keeps referring in this interview to everything as his. - Okay. - Like he accuses Rayburn of kissing his wife in his house on his couch, like still and at the end of the interview, he starts breaking down because he lost his baby. He's not talking about a mirror. He's saying that because of all of this, he lost his online platform. Not his daughter, not his wife. No, because of all of this, I've now lost her. my online platform, my followers, my fame. Yeah, just narcissists, a straight victimhood. It's gross, but I want to talk about the trial because the biggest factor is whether he should get first or second degree murder. Was this premeditated or spur of the moment? I'm not going to even entertain the defense's argument here because you heard the story. This violence was not a one-time deal. And outside of everything he did to make honest life and his daughter's life a living hell, there was additional evidence on his computer and phone, searches that he had made before the murder for trash cans, chopped up bodies, exploitation of minors, he was unwell. He had been for a long time and the jury knew it. So on May 29th, 2024, the jury found him guilty of two counts of first-degree murder. Good. Oli or JinKid will spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of parole. In 2024, a documentary was released on Peacock called TikTok Star Murders that told honest story through the memory of her closest friends. And some of those women said that they had since parted ways after Anna's death, all grieving separately, but the documentary kind of brought them all back together. A GoFundMe was set up for Anna's family after her death. Her body was sent back to the Philippines so she could be buried in her hometown. The family welcomes any happy memories, kind words or nice stories anyone has to share in Anna's memory. And if you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, please know there is always a way out. All the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7233 go to thehotline.org or text begin to 8-8-7-8-8. And that is the murder of Anna in Rayburn. Domestic Violence Man, it's so sad because it's scary how it escalates and they're always seems, I cannot always, but the cases we cover at least it always seems to end in murder because this is the podcast, but domestic violence in general is so dangerous because so many can't end up like this. Yeah, it's so dangerous. It is not far out. I think sometimes it's like murder is so far away and it's like in domestic violence situations. It's actually not end domestic violence is so common like you're saying. Yeah. All right, you guys, that was our episode for this week. Please just take some time. Remember Anna, her family, her daughter, again, if you were, you know, her family said they love any kind words or memories. But just take this day to think about them and we will see you next time with another episode. I love it. I hate it. Goodbye.