The Symbolism of Pisces: The Fish - SS Ep. 2

[music] Greetings from the Pacific Northwest. You're listening to Symbolic Studies episode two. I'm your host Mario, joined by my lovely wife, Michelle. For more information about the show or my work, please visit SymbolicStudies.com. Or if you'd like to become a patron, you can do so at patreon.com/symbolicstudies. Michelle, my beautiful, beautiful woman, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you for the compliment and thanks for having me. Really pumped for this new venture of the podcast via Symbolic Studies and to be here as a co-host. Yeah, definitely. This is something that I've been wanting to do for a while. Put out a show that is related to Symbolic Studies, related to the signs, and really something that is more in line with sort of the community that I've built over the last handful of years. The intention for this show is to really highlight some of those voices and answer questions and kind of bring people into sort of our sphere and talk about other people's work. I don't know. Just be a platform for people to continue learning about Symbolism. Someone the other day mentioned it in one of my comments. They said that I'm a really good study pal. I think that makes a lot of sense, actually. I'm like, yes, I don't need to be your teacher. If you want to look at me like your study pal, that's awesome. I think that my work really is sort of best used when you are on your own journey and you are doing your own research and sort of everything else. I thought that you would be the perfect co-host for this. We're always talking about all of the Symbolism that I'm researching week to week, month to month. Over the years, you've kind of come to really understand a lot of the stuff that I've gotten interested in and vice versa. You obviously bring your herbal knowledge to the table and things like that. I think this is a good pairing for a few reasons. I do too. I'm really, really excited. I was very excited when you asked if I would help you with this and be co-host because it's going to be really fun. I just think that, like you said, some of the conversations we have in the comfort of our own home, there's been so many times where I know both of us have been like, wow, this would be an epic podcast episode or what have you. This is going to be that and allowing you to show your casual side too in that way of just kind of letting ideas flow. I really, really am excited to bring in the community aspect of it as well and see what other people have to say. Just going through your comment section sometimes, I know you are and I am too very excited and sometimes even blown away with some of the insights that people bring to the table. Right. Definitely. I mean, I have to say that I'm a lucky boy for a few reasons. But one of the things is that I have a lot of really smart, intelligent, insightful people who follow my stuff and why not utilize all of that. So sometimes what I'll do is I'll just go back and go into my timeline and I'll look at posts that I had posted maybe a year or two years ago and I'll just read the comments. And so many times I walk away with something really, really valuable. Something that inspires a new post or something that inspires sort of a rabbit hole for me to go down. So this show really, a good part of it is going to be sort of making use of the people that I have around. And so I would love to invite people and maybe have them contribute some voicemails or audio clips for the program. And I would love to basically show other people's voicemails too, you know. And so I'll throw out a number at the end of the show. People can call it if they have any insights about the signs or something else. They're more than welcome to send us a voicemail, probably just, you know, limited to maybe a few minutes or something like that. And I think that that's going to be really interesting to be able to play those and to answer questions like that. And towards the end of the show, we're going to be reading questions and comments and things like that from some of my followers, which I don't even really like that word, right? I feel like there needs to be a new word. I'm with you. Yeah. And I think that you are going to be someone that's going to really help facilitate more of that sort of interaction between me and people who are following people who are Patrons and things like that too. And I'll say, you know, just to be honest with people, I feel like one of the things that I haven't really done a great job with if I'm being kind of critical of myself is really being more interactive with people and really kind of being, you know, a community sort of a guide in a way. There's other channels and there's other people who really do that. And they're excellent at it. And that's something that I've had to work a little bit harder towards wanting to doing and things like that. And, you know, at the end of the day, I'm an introverted person. And so I think that that's one of the reasons why I'm kind of more comfortable just doing my own thing and then kind of posting and ghosting in a way. But I'm trying to change that 2025 is the year where I changed that. Woohoo. Yeah. So and you've been encouraging me to do this for like a long time. Yeah. To kind of put myself out there a little bit more and, you know, all of that. So anyway, it's very rainy here in the Pacific Northwest. I thought it was more than appropriate that we would be talking about Pisces. We've been going through a huge watery portion of the zodiac over the last handful of months. And the zodiac actually skews towards water. There are more watery myths and watery signs, even though there's only technically three water signs. The last three signs of the zodiac have a lot of watery symbolism attached to it. And so with Capricorn, it's an earth sign, but it's the Seagote Aquarius is an air sign, but it's the water bearer. And then of course Pisces literally is a water sign and is the fish, right? And so we've been swimming through the celestial ocean for the last few months. And Pisces really is like the culmination, not only of the zodiac, but of that little pattern that you see there at the end of the astrological year. And so many people have said that Pisces truly is basically a combination of all of the signs. It represents kind of the totality of the entire zodiac, which to me that makes a lot of sense it being the last sign, right? And it's very much associated with just like these watery, watery depths, like extreme depths, and I think of like the extreme end of any sort of root system or kind of like even like our cardiovascular system. And so there's a huge weave with Pisces and water and veins and anything that kind of branches out like that, I even think of roots, right? So I almost think of like the end of a root system with a tree. It sort of represents that. It represents the end of the line, but then you know, with that also represents the beginning as well, right? And that's really kind of embedded in the glyph for Pisces as well. It looks like the cross section of a tourist field. And so when you think of a tourist field, you think of energy projecting and then energy sort of receiving. And so if you think of this looping dynamic of the tourist field, and if you're unfamiliar with what a tourist field looks like, you should definitely look into it, right? And it's a huge, huge pattern that you'll see out in nature. A tree as an example looks toroidal, you know, in nature. And Apple looks very toroidal in nature. But if you imagine energy leaving or being expressed and being projected and then returning back to where it came from, the furthest point from which it left is also the closest point to its return. And so this is the nature of like endings and beginnings as well. So if you're going through a cycle, the very last moment before the cycle is complete, you're the furthest away from the beginning, but you're also closest to the return to the beginning of a new cycle, right? And so I think that's basically kind of Pisces in a nutshell in a way. I think that we come from the primordial celestial waters and then I think we return to these same waters. And I think that there are so many clues about this, right? From the womb being very oceanic in nature, I think of the fact that there are correspondences with death, that line up with watery symbolism. I'm thinking of Scorpio being a water sign, even in some cards that relate to death, right? The death card, like in the thoth deck, death is at the bottom of the ocean, right? There's even a fish swimming in that card. So this ending and beginning sort of dynamic, obviously completely Pisces and through and through. And these depths too can be very murky. And so there's a lot of things related to illusion and sort of obfuscation, I would say, and the mysteries and things like that that correspond with Pisces. Pisces and that's kind of part of the shadow side of Pisces as well. There's a beautiful aspect to that obviously, you know, but there's obviously a dynamic there where you can get lost, you know, in these depths. So I think that's interesting as well. But do you have any initial thoughts about Pisces that you've been thinking about lately or that you wanted to put on the table? Yes, actually, there is. And because you brought up the water element and how much rain we're getting, you know, if you were to listen to the weatherman in the Pacific Northwest right now, they are calling this rain event that we're having an atmospheric river. Now, you know, regardless of how you look at it, we are getting a lot of rain, but that river aspect coming through right now and then being in Pisces, you know, and it just kind of really drives that thought home of the waters that we are getting right now are very important to the seeds that are going to be planted very soon. So that soil is going to be nice and drenched so that those seeds can germinate and come up through into aries. And the garden element of this time of year is really exciting because there's a lot of planting and there's a lot of pre planting of seeds, perhaps if you're starting them indoors or what have you. But the other element of Pisces that comes through for me with garden stuff is an old traditional Native American way to fertilize soil, which is to take whole fish and to bury them in your garden and cover that up. And then as those fish decompose, those nutrients go into the soil, which are going to feed the plants and really keep your soil very healthy, actually, as well. And to me, that's such a, it's such a great way to think about fertilizing, like using a whole fish as opposed to having to go buy powdered fertilizer or whatever. I mean, you know, there's a lot of traditional ways to fertilize a garden, but I find that that is one of the more beautiful ways to think about just using whole fish. And so that comes through with Pisces for sure. The other thing that you mentioned, you brought up roots and the tree roots, but I was thinking about medicinal roots of plants. And that would be my correspondence. If there was like an overarching family of plants or a part of a plant that I would associate with Pisces, it would definitely be the roots of plants, specifically roots that are used medicinal. You know, every plant and every tree has roots, but there's, there's roots of medicinal plants that have the medicine in the root that you're going to be harvesting the root for the medicine. And that is what I think of when I think of Pisces. So those are my off the top of my head in the current moment thoughts right there. Nice. That's awesome. It makes me think of so many things because I made a post last year and I'm considering turning it into a video this year called the Cosmic River and how the Taurus system, the Taurus field, is not unlike a river. And I think that a lot of older myths that reference sort of this cosmic river that has sort of a main vein and then smaller sort of veins and rivers that kind of extend off from it, branch off from it. I think that this relates to the Taurus system and I think that it relates a lot to the world tree and that when we refer to the world tree, you could also refer to it as a river, you know, essentially, and that the symbolism is largely the same. And so I think Pisces relates to this in a big way. And then the fertilization with this fish, I think that's really interesting too because it kind of reminds me a little bit of just the sort of cusp and the energy between Pisces and Ares. And one of the things that we know is that, you know, literally and when you think about it symbolically, it's very rich in meaning, but the soil wants blood, you know, the soil likes it and the soil actually benefits from this. And so to me, there's a lot of symbolism there with Ares as well because Ares is the sacrificial lamb. It's the beginning of spring. There's a lot of blood symbolism actually between Pisces and Ares and now that I think about it. Like I said earlier, the cardiovascular system. There's a great book that I know you've read multiple chapters of at this point, but the zodiac and the salts of salvation. And their whole entire chapter with Pisces is all about blood and it's the oxygenation of blood and then it's also blood going to the furthest depths of your vascular system. And that again, your veins look very root like. And so there's a whole entire weave between Pisces and Ares that kind of makes sense with what you're saying too, I would say. Yeah, that makes sense. And when I think about it, when you talk about the circulatory system and veins looking like rivers, there's the other system that comes to mind is the lymphatic system is very river like as is the nervous system. So our body, they say we're 70%, I don't know if the ratio is still 70% water, but our structures look a lot of the structures mimic river or water like structures, which is actually really interesting. It's not really something I've actually spent too much time thinking about until you said that, but it kind of is a little my boy when you really think about it. It is. And even, I mean, honestly, just look at your hand too. It's just like, okay, so your hand connects to your arm, which connects to your body. And so it's kind of the same sort of idea, right? Where it's just branching off from the main vein. Definitely. So yeah, there's a lot to be said about everything there. Very good stuff too, also with root medicine, right? I mean, that makes tons and tons of sense. So what would you say is sort of a, is there like a classic sort of thing, a go to sort of thing that root medicine just has in common in general across the board? Are there any common themes between different types of root medicine or not so much? It depends on the plant. Yeah, you know, that's a great question. I mean, from personal experience and I haven't really heard, well, I have heard other people say this. The first thing that comes to mind with root medicine is it gets to the root of an issue more quickly or it's going to actually be a driver towards the solution of that you're seeking when it comes to the healing. I think that root medicine typically is for conditions that are maybe more chronic or that something that's more heavy or that has been maybe lingering around. Also a lot of times like the root that comes to my mind that I thought of with Pisces is Valerian root, which is widely known as a sleep medicine. So it's going to help you sleep. It brings you down. It can down in like a good way. You know, it can actually help you sleep, help you fall asleep. It can actually be very effective for that. There is a flip side that for some people it actually has the opposite effect, but it's a very small percentage of people that that happens with typically it is known as something that can knock you out in terms of it having it as a tea or a tincture or even when it's smoked. It's very sedative and it's actually cautioned to not, you know, drive a car or operate a heavy machinery if you've taken Valerian root because of that. And it sometimes is described as smelling like feet, which I think is also another great correspondence to Pisces as the body correspondence to with Pisces is the feet. Yeah, exactly. And you know, that really speaks to our watery roots, you know, and so your feet literally touch the ground if you're not wearing shoes, you know. And so I think our root system is watery nature. Once again, we come from the primordial waters, we return to the primordial waters. And so the fact that Pisces is the two fish and then we've got two feet as well. I think that's interesting. Ah, yeah, that's really interesting. And then I think of our root chakra and our reproductive organs and then I think of the womb, which is the watery womb. Right, right. I'm glad you brought up sleep too because one of the comments when I was reading through some of the comments on Instagram, someone had brought up the fact that Pisces and people have a fondness or a unique relationship with sleep in the bedroom. Ah. And that actually makes a ton of sense, especially when you consider the fact that Pisces, you know, its symbolic nature can relate to the unconscious or the subconscious and illusions, you know, and sort of shadowy things, I would say just in general, you know, I think of the depths of the ocean where there is no light, you know. And that's where death is once again, rolled by Scorpio. And that's where you'll see that fish. And so, um, so there is a sleep dynamic going on here. And I would say too that if we're going to talk about some of the shadowy stuff with Pisces and one of the things I was going to, um, kind of create a segment out of, I think, moving forward is an at least I want to highlight some of these ideas is how each sign has a lot of amazing, beautiful, positive things associated with it. But also, um, I think that's what I'm going to say. So with every sign, you know, in a way, I feel like these signs in the modern world have kind of been weaponized, you know, in a way, at least the energy that's associated with the signs have been weaponized in the modern world in such that, you know, what we kind of do on the daily and a lot of things that kind of like plague the modern world, you can kind of see an astrological correspondence for that, right? And so as an example, I think that, the way Pisces maybe plays a part in all of this or how you can kind of see the way the world is and how it could, you know, correlate with the sign is that, I think a lot of people are so in the depths with whatever it is they're interested in because you can kind of do this now. If you only are interested in baking pies as an example, you can get lost in the sauce with just baking pies. And so you can watch pie baking videos until the cows come home all the live long day, right? Like literally, you can watch pie videos for the rest of your life, right? And so I think that there are many examples of people today that are so into their niche, they're so deep into it that they haven't come up for fresh air in a very long time. And that they're kind of lost in the sauce in a way. So if you love a video game as an example, you can play that game all day long, you can just read form posts after form post, you can watch videos, you can watch people stream it. You can do whatever you want. So you could be so you can be swimming in the depths of whatever it is your hobby is or whatever it is that brings you that kind of joy. If you want to put it that way or distraction that you basically are like nowhere to be found. You're kind of lost at sea. Pretty much that you don't really have a point of orientation. You maybe aren't living like a grounded sort of stable life. We're dealing with a water sign, right? And so I see it that you can kind of even get lost in your own illusions and your own dreams as well, you know, and that you're not basically living like a really practical sort of balanced life. And I think that in a lot of ways, this is very much encouraged today that I think a lot of people are unbalanced in today's world. And I think that a an acknowledgement of astrology and kind of like an acknowledgement specifically in my opinion of like the lessons of the signs and how we relate to all of the signs and how all of the signs relate to us. I think can help bring or restore some of that balance. But that's kind of one of the things I see because I think a long time ago people weren't able to really indulge in all of these different things as much as they're able to now. So that's kind of one of the things that came to mind in terms of maybe the quote unquote weaponized side of Pisces and kind of how I see it sort of play out, you know, in the world. And then I think too with technology, you spend so much time by yourself now. You know, and so people spent a lot of times on their phone on their laptops at their desk. And so people's interaction with other people, you know, it's becoming more and more minimal. So you can be completely absorbed with your headphones and your phone in your own little world. Basically, that's completely cut off from all the other worlds sort of around you. You know, if you're a teenager or you're a young person. You can be in your own little world and you're way, way deep into something and your parents have no idea that that's like what you're absorbing or that's what you're into, you know, and I think too. There's a lot of extreme sort of lifestyles right now. And I can kind of see the Pisces and sort of correspondence with that where it's like you've swam down a channel, right. You veered off the main vein. So now you're on this sort of side quest or on this branch that's away from the main vein. Now you've spent time there for a while. You're going to keep on going even further now you're going to find an even more niche branch or more extreme sort of side of that. And you could just keep on going and going and going and going. And unless something sort of intervenes or whatever, you can just happily or naively, right. Just be swimming towards these depths and exploring things that you never ever thought you would sort of explore. And so I tend to think of technology with this and the different things that it sort of introduces to you. If you're online and if you're sort of just journeying on your own. And there's no sort of checks or balances or there's nothing that's really going to balance you out. Then you can find yourself swimming in like really, really dark territories. And I know for a fact that there's a lot of people obviously doing that today. So that's one of the things I thought of does. Does anything there sort of resonate or is there anything that you want to bring up kind of related to this theme. Yes. And you know, this is one of the themes. One of the first things I think about when I think of Pisces. Is this element of the ability of getting lost in the sauce, escapism, overindulgence and addiction. And you know that one of the biggest I think things plaguing society today is internet addiction and screen addiction. And that's a whole other topic in and of itself. But with the Piscesan aspect of this, it really becomes amplified because there is that element of Pisces that can be more prone to alcoholism and drug abuse. And anything that really can become addictive. And so a lot of times, this isn't the case for every person who's a Pisces as a Sun sign or has these aspects in their chart or in their life. Because we all can succumb to being addicted to something. You know, it can be anything. It doesn't have to be, you know, a drug or something like that. You can become addicted to many things. So it's not just that Pisian people, you know, or addicts or something. No, not, you know, not in the slightest, but they are, they have more of the tendencies to go there. And I think it's because of these attributes like the dreaminess and the subconscious and wanting to escape some of these places by finding something that can take you away and take you into the depths. And that, that is what comes through with with that. And I think too, there's more of an emotional component because of the water element. So when there's more emotions, sometimes if you're not emotionally mature enough at a moment to deal with something, you are going to try to escape it. You're going to want some kind of crutch or feel like you need a crutch in order to deal with that or to literally shut the emotion off entirely. And perhaps compartmentalize it and then turn to an addiction so that you can kind of, you know, just totally try and knock it out of your your your mind. Hey guys, I hope you're enjoying our discussion on Pisci so far. If you aren't already aware, I have a series called symbolic secrets that's only available through my site or via Patreon. At the moment, I'm going through the major arcana and I've released 11 episodes so far. That's 11 hours worth of exclusive content. If you like symbolic studies, you're going to like symbolic secrets, links for everything can be found at symbolic studies.com. All right, back to the show. One of my good friends years ago, you'll, you know who it is. He's kind of like my classic Piscian example, right? And that's one of the ways that I think most people kind of like to use astrology is they have the quintessential Pisci's person in their life or whatever it is, right? And I thought it was so interesting when I was learning that they are prone to alcoholism. And so was that friend. And at least in his case, he, I think romanticizes a lot of this stuff. And so this is kind of the dreamy sort of thing. So he kind of romanticized drinking, I think, and sort of partying and whatever. And I think it's interesting that if someone drinks a lot, that they could be said that they drink like a fish. Yes. As well, right? And so it's related to all of this. And then we've talked many times about the emotional dynamic with alcoholism, you know, specifically. But I'm of the opinion that when somebody has to indulge or imbibe in whatever their addiction is, that means that their sort of reflection, as they get closer to it, and as they get closer to having to look in the mirror and face themselves sort of symbolically. That if they're unwilling to do that, and it's too uncomfortable, that's when they decide to imbibe. And that's when they decide to partake in whatever their addiction is. I almost look at literally somebody walking closer towards their spiritual double. And the closer you get and the more uncomfortable you get because you're going to have to face some truths about maybe your actions or where you're at in life or what you haven't done. Or maybe the lies you've told yourself or something along these lines, you know, that some people, if they're willing and ready to meet their invisible double, they can. And that's sort of symbolically you kind of getting to your center. meeting your center, something along those lines, right? But if you're unwilling and you don't wanna go there, the closer you get and the more you feel anxious, that's when you're gonna, you know, basically partake in whatever it is, that's going to help you completely avoid doing that. And so now we have drugs that are so strong that people would literally, instead of facing themselves, symbolically either the invisible double thing or looking in the mirror or whatever you wanna say, instead of facing themselves, they would rather take like a tranquilizer and completely knock out, right? And so to me, that's just like an interesting sort of thing, but you know, alcohol as well, it's so fascinating. I posted last month for Aquarius that bartenders have been related to Aquarius. They are kind of a modern day cup bearer, basically, right? And so this gets into a whole weave with the holy grail and like what that symbolically represents, and like this chalice that holds the nectar of the gods or whatever and how that relates to wine symbolism and all sorts of other things. But suffice it to say, as you basically mentioned, you know, I think a lot of drinkers are very, very emotional people. Oh yes. And to quote Hank Williams, the famous country singer, there's a tear in my beer because I'm crying for you, dear. You are on my lonely mind. And so that is, you know, when I think about that song, I number one think of my family. But I also think about that is so quintessential for a person that is kind of in the more like drinking alcohol or alcoholic mindset or lifestyle. It's kind of like a common thing that people will consume a lot of alcohol and then become very emotional and break down. And that because the alcohol allows them to actually like open up a little bit, you know, it is. It is the social lubricant. It's kind of liquid courage, you could call it, you know, because it does it kind of like brings down the guard of a person to another person or to their own self so that their emotions can flow out at which comes back to that water element. And the other thing that I think might lead the Pisces person or the person who's influenced by Pisces to these behaviors is that maybe perhaps feeling conflicted. And I think that that is so symbolic to the symbol of Pisces, which is one fish going one direction and the other going an opposite direction. So I always think of one fish going up current and the other fish is going down current or upstream and downstream. And so you're constantly trying to find this balance then to make this work. And as I mean, I really would like to hear your thoughts on because I know you have them on the string that connects these fish or the cord that connects the fish because that to me is very interesting because you could look at it like almost like an inbilical cord of some sense. There's like, it's like a lifeline between these two fish that must find balance between the two in order to have a functional movement. And I think that when you are conflicted and as a person that has felt conflicted many times in her life, and I think that a lot of people feel this way, but when you feel that way, you're unsettled in some way and that unsettling feeling can lead you to want to reach for a vice or reach for something to help you feel a little bit more calm or grounded. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's a really, really good point. Someone in the comments said with the fish going, with one fish going up and the other fish going down or there being this sort of circular dynamic, does this represent a conflict in the zodiac? Ah. Which I thought was kind of an interesting way of looking at it. And what I'll say is if you look at it like a conflict, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that because as I'm saying, and as we're kind of like getting to here, every sign truly has like this light aspect and this darker aspect, right? That's a divine balance sort of dynamic there. Same thing with us. We have a lower self and a higher self. And so it's really no different than anything else. It's really no different than a wheel even, right? And so if one, just like the wheel of fortune card, there's always one figure going up, there's one figure at the top generally, and there's another figure that's descending, right? And so what goes up must come down. And so I almost look at it like a wheel. If one part of the wheel is moving upward or rotating, that means another one is descending downward, right? And so just like the tourist field, one is expansive, or there's one side that is more expansive and projective, there's another side that's more receptive, right? And so I look at it more in terms of a divine balance, but part of the divine balance of things is conflict. And so I think that that's related to, as an example, like Gemini, and so Gemini, you have the hero twins, and so you have a twin that's light and a twin that's dark. The twin that's dark generally kills in these hero twin myths, the light twin, right? So this is the divine balance, basically. It's just like the scales as well, right? So one thing weighs more than the other, then obviously the scales are going to be unbalanced. And so I think that the whole thing with it potentially being able to be a conflict definitely relates. There's conflicts in everything too. So I'm not anti-conflict, and I'm not a person that's like, you know, going to say that that doesn't exist in life or whatever. You know, conflict arises basically whenever there's a complementary dynamic relationship between two things. You know, there's, I always say that between two people, there is always friction. And so that friction though can be beautiful, and that there's a sort of push and pull. There's a dynamic where there is this back and forth, which is great to have in a relationship. You don't want the other person to necessarily see everything the exact same way you see it. And vice versa, that's kind of boring. And it's better to have people who are aware of different things, you know. But obviously that friction and that difference can turn into something that is more detrimental or whatever, right? And so I can see that pice and people with that potential alcoholism, you know. It's almost like I think that what I pick up with it at least is being so far into some sort of cycle or being so deep in a thing or feeling so strongly about somebody, you know, or about a situation or whatever, having a dream that you want so badly, maybe that's not necessarily kind of coming to fruition or, you know, being done the way you wish it were done or it's not real. You're not accomplished yet with that thing. That someone who could wallow in that so much that that's what they end up doing pretty much, right? And so, so anyways, there's something else that you said there about the fish and the back and forth thing that I think I was going to point out. I mentioned the cord. Oh, yeah, yeah, the cord. Yeah. I mean, the way I look at it, if you look at pices in the sky, pices is like a large V, right? And those that V, one extension represents one fish, the other extension represents the other fish, but they're connected together, right? That they came from the same stream. And so, in my opinion, what this represents, it kind of relates to Gemini symbolism as well, I would say. But what this represents is that it's basically where duality comes from. That duality comes from unity pretty much. So, it comes from what I say is that polarity precedes duality. And so, with the Gemini twins, the myth is that they came from a cosmic egg. So, they came from a unified center, a unified place, but they represent different energies. So, it's almost like a pole. You know, you have a pole, that pole is unified, but you have one end of the pole that maybe is positive and light, and then you have the other end of the pole that might be negative and dark. And so, you have these two energies on opposing ends of that pole that are unified and complementary in a way, but represent duality, represent the opposing forces or complementary forces. And so, I think that that's what is going on with the fish who have a cord that exists between them. Is that you have one fish that maybe is the projective masculine fish. One thing I've heard put forward is that apparently, if I'm not mistaken, Carl Jung was talking about one fish representing Christ and then the other fish representing the anti-Christ. So, this sort of upward, positive momentum or energy, and then also this descending sort of darker energy, which this actually makes a lot of sense, and is kind of interesting as well, because Pisces symbolism corresponds with Christ in a big, big way, and I just made a positive, today about the axis between Pisces and Virgo and how the glyph of Virgo is an M with a fish embedded into it. And I see this very much as being Christ, you know, it's like the mother with her child pretty much. And so Christ turned his disciples into fishers of men, right? And so there's a whole big weave with the age of Pisces and Christ as well. Although I will say just to be clear, Christ corresponds with so many different signs in my opinion. So I could easily go on a huge weave with Pisces and Christ, Aries and Christ, you know, Leo and Christ, like it kind of just goes on and on. So I see Christ is being very mercurial personally. So I don't think that he exclusively just corresponds with one sign, but definitely there's a lot of Pisces and symbolism associated with him for sure. So so that's kind of interesting to me. So whether it is the the Christ and anti Christ or the good twin and the negative twin or whatever you want to say, they both came from a unified whole, right? And so this would be like the supreme center pretty much. And so duality, dualistic symbolism, black and white masculine feminine came from a non dual place, a unified source of a monad, if you will, right? So that's how I see the line connecting the two fish. So that's what the chord represents. And then I see like even in the Pisces glyph, right? You have kind of like the sideways you, right on the left and the right. And then you have that horizontal line. So one way of looking at it as well is that that glyph is a cross section of a tourist field. And that horizontal line represents the middle disc kind of in the middle of the tourist field. And so this is known as the plane of inertia. And so this is what binds and separates in a way the above in the below basically. That's what earth represents as well. You know earth represents this in some ways, I would say humanity mankind represents this as well is that there are realms above and below. And I kind of like to say that we live in middle earth in my opinion that I think that there are realms above and below where somewhere in between. And I think that there's outer and inner realms and we're somewhere in between. And so that line is the in between between above below inner outer all of these different types of things. Wow. Yeah. I love that. It makes me think of the fractal nature of everything. And the universe itself, which goes along with the toroidal energy. I mean, it's kind of one and the same if you really think about it. But yes, above and below was coming to mind while you were talking about these fish as well. So that hits home for sure. It reminds me a lot of the kind of traditional yin yang symbol. Yeah. Yeah. It almost looks like two fish kind of swimming around in a circle. Right. So yeah. So that's just that's kind of just another correspondence for the glyph I would say. But yeah. So I mean, that's what I see with a lot of the shadowy potentially weaponized aspects of Pisces. I think maybe if anything, I'll say that there's a potential aimlessness that I see with a lot of people today. And that there is sort of no point of orientation. There's no sort of like grounding. They are not centered. People, a lot of people are unsentered, ungrounded. And I think that Pisces would be an excellent sign to sort of represent this kind of wandering kind of lost sort of dynamic. Right. And so I'm not saying by the way that these signs have been deliberately weaponized. I'm saying that the sort of archetypal nature of each sign has this shadow side that can be expressed within on a personal level. But then you also will see it out and about, you know, in humanity in nature, etc. Whatever it is, you might be looking at. And so I thought that this was a thread worth pulling at because I find it to be pretty interesting. And I've long wanted to talk about the shadowy side of all the signs. And so this one, I feel like there's even just more going on with it. And I kind of get that sense with a lot of the watery signs in general. This darkness, you know. But I think it makes sense to now kind of flip that and kind of compliment that with the lighter aspects of the sign and maybe more of the transcendental aspects of the sign. And so one of the things I wanted to mention is let's just not forget too that I think that there's a good chance water is perhaps liquid light. That's one thing to keep in mind. And that I think there's symbolism that really speaks to this. I've gotten into this with some of my videos related to cancer and the the royal arch, free Masonic tradition and the keystone and how this key stone oftentimes has the cancer glyph drawn on it. And when the keystone is missing from this royal arch, light is pouring through basically. And it's not a coincidence that light is coming through the keystone that corresponds with cancer. And so I think actually a lot of symbolism associated with the chariot card potentially might be alluding to this actually. Right. And so water as liquid light is definitely a thing. It's a really, really interesting consideration. Also water being another expression of ether or spirit and that ether spirit has multiple emanations, including water as a liquid, water as a vapor, water as a crystalline solid thing, and then perhaps something even lighter than that. People have also said that air might be another aspect of water. And so just like what you said earlier, it's like being mostly water. It's like earth is mostly water. We are mostly water. I'm inclined to think then that this extends to the universe at large, right? The water is above the waters below. So Pisces has a lot to do with that. And so it really is we are watery creatures through and through. And just like we mentioned earlier with our feet being related to water, you know, literally our primordial origins seemingly come from water. Yeah, I would agree with that for sure. Yeah. Yeah, even just the thought of the sky, you know, being water, you know, why is the sky blue? Well, you know, there's a lot of ways you can think about that, but I think about when, you know, as you were saying, waters above water is below and how important that all really is to everything and how important water is to life. And you cannot live without it. So that kind of comes along with it as well. I love the thought of water being light. Yeah. Like, and then I think about water being able to carry a current electrical and, you know, a physical current that can take you under or can push you forward. Right. You know, it can be both things. Yeah. I mean, one of the things that I got into with Aquarius was that one of the alternative titles for Aquarius is the light bearer, which I think is really interesting. And what you'll find out about Aquarius, which it relates to Pisces on so many different levels, but Aquarius is thought to be the water bearer for the celestial ocean. There's a lot of flood symbolism associated with Aquarius. And so arguably, you know, the single stream that splits and is related to the two fish, kind of emanating from that single stream, basically came from the urn of Aquarius, right. But when you look into the urn of Aquarius, what you'll find esoterically, at least, is that it really relates to way more than just water. So again, light, it's the light bearer. There's a huge electrical component with the urn of Aquarius and also the axis of Aquarius and Leo. And as you just mentioned, the idea of a current, right, relates to electricity as well. It also relates to air and Aquarius is the, is an air sign, even though it's the water bearer. So currents can relate to water, air, or electricity, right. And I think that's really fascinating. And then also, my understanding is people back in the day, when, when they were developing ways to use electricity, they refer to it as a liquid. That electricity way early on was viewed more so as a liquid than anything else. And now we see it differently. But when you look at the language, it makes a lot of sense, current electricity, etc. And so the urn also has been viewed as just carrying ether and spirit, frequency, you know, all of these different types of things, you know, mythologically, the nectar of the gods, all sorts of stuff, right. And so, so I think that that's kind of just worth putting on the table as well. So just the power of water, it goes on and on and on and on. I mean, we're barely scratching the surface here. Even one of the interesting things because, you know, me, I have a a pretty decent sized symbolic reference library now. Some of the entries for water in my symbolic encyclopedias and stuff are like the longest entries of the whole entire book. Like I don't know if you could even find an element or a symbol that will have a longer entry in most of my books than water, you know. That's how important and significant it is. So it makes a lot of sense that it would be the final sign, the final watery sort of sign at the end of the astrological year. And the way I kind of see that by the way, is we've been swimming through these watery depths for a few months now. And it's so interesting to me that the first sign of the astrological year is Aries. And that corresponds with the Emperor card and the Hebrew letter that corresponds with that card translates to fish hook. Ah. So to me, I'm like, wait a second. I'm like, so the last sign is the fish. The first sign, the Hebrew letter that corresponds with its card means fish hook. And so the way I tend to interpret it is that it's almost like this fish hook almost yanks us out of sort of the aetheric waters. You know, into the realm of light. Yeah. And so Pisces represents the last sign of winter. And then now we are in spring, spring often represents sort of like, it's not the literal return of the sun, but there's a lot of symbolic value associated with the return of the sun and with spring. So it's almost like these fish have been pulled out of these deep, deep waters and now they're in the world of light with Aries. And Aries is a fire sign. It's cardinal and all this other stuff. So you're ending the night side of the zodiac when you transition at the spring, equinox. Yes. And this is very much related to birth. We are pulled from the, were pushed or pulled or sometimes cut out of the womb into this realm of light. And so that also is a great correspondence to that fish hook. So I'm so glad you brought that up. You are an awesome co-host. You know that? Thank you, baby. You're an awesome host. This is really fun. Incredible. So I'm glad you brought that up because one of the things that I think is really interesting as I was going through my videos and notes and whatever is that the main correspondence for Pisces is the moon card. OK. Now this makes a lot of sense, right? And I'll say I'll just briefly get into the moon card and then I'll talk about the alternative card that some people think is even closer to Pisces than the moon. The reason why the moon card is interesting is because the moon symbolically has been viewed as the gateway to other realms. And so there are a lot of ancient ascension techniques that basically say, if you're going to go to other planes of existence and you're going to go to other planets, the realms that these other planets sort of govern, you have no choice other than to go to the moon first, that the moon is like a stepping stone to get to other places. It's like saying, if you're going to come to my house, you have to pass through the gate. And so there's no other way. You have to pass through the gate if you're going to come to my place. So that means that if you're going to leave my place and you're going to go home, you also have to exit through the same gate. So it's just no different than the front door, right? You have to pass through the door to get in. You're going to probably pass through that door or there's no other way to get out unless you go through the same way that in what you came in, right? And so this is sort of the symbolism of the moon. And so there's so much gateway symbolism that corresponds with the moon. It's nuts. And so you'll see the two pillars and then you'll see the moon. And whenever you see two pillars, you're basically creating a portal or gateway. If you see two trees, two towers, things like that, that's what you're basically seeing, just like the Gemini glyph. That creates an opening or a through way of some kind, right? And so it must be understood. The moon is the stepping stone to go to other places. Traditionally, the end of the line in this system would be Saturn. Funny enough, this is what happens in 2001, a space odyssey in the novel is that they go to the moon first and then they're trying to get to Saturn. But in the movie, they switch this to Jupiter. So they're actually, they kind of fudge the system in my opinion. And this thing goes back. There's old graphs and texts that have written about this for a long time. And so the moon is the stepping stone. You have to pass through the gateway of the moon before you go to other places. So if you go through this long journey and you go to these other places on an astral level, you have to return back through the moon in order to get back to Earth, in order to get back into your body, basically, right? And so that, to me, is interesting because it lines up very strongly with Pisces being a threshold sort of symbol, a threshold sort of sign, in that it's also a gateway to the beginning of the year. So there's a lot of things with Pisces that represent this sort of opening, kind of doorway symbolism as well, I would say. So it's the end of the line, but it's also the symbolic beginning as well, right? And so I think that that is worth kind of chewing on a little bit and kind of understanding because I think there's a lot of value there. And I think that that is one of the big, big, big sort of secrets on how Pisces actually relates to the moon, because sometimes too, it even seems like that's not an appropriate correspondence, you know, in my opinion. So what some people have said is that the true correspondence is actually the hanged man. Ah. And it's kind of interesting when you really start thinking about it, but I have to say, and you brought this to my attention with something you said earlier. One of the metaphors that I've used to describe the hanged man is that it's like a fish out of water. Ah, right, right. That's what it kind of represents in my opinion. And guess what? We are fish out of water. We are. And so I think just as humans, kind of living the life we live, it's almost like there's something, it's like a. It's not the easiest thing in the world. There's lots of trials and tribulations. There's lots of illusions. There's lots of things that are illusory. And so I think that getting a hang of this body, getting a hang of like how to communicate with like your center and like your true authenticity and things like that, it doesn't come easy, which is why so many people struggle in my opinion. So it's like how do I basically balance being a spiritual person in a physical body? Right. You know, this is kind of. That's the human condition in my opinion. Yeah, it's like one of our bigger dilemmas. It's exactly. Being here, right? Yeah, exactly. So on one level, it's not a dilemma at all. Right. But on a human level, it feels like that a lot. And usually, I mean, this reminds me of. Because we were talking about the shadowy stuff, it reminds me of the shadow, our own shadows. You know, it's like, okay, it's really. Is it really a detriment? Or is it actually the thing that's going to propel you forward once you figure out what your shadows are or your challenges in your life that you have to really work at? Right. You know, it's kind of that same thing. It actually is kind of one of the more beautiful things as painful as it can be to have to face this stuff. That other side is where the. That is where the meat and potatoes really lies. Thank you. Yeah. Every. and it's one of these things where I might say shadow or dark side, it's all a gift. It really is. And that's the thing, you know? I mean, the more and more I travel through this lifetime, it definitely always reminds me that it is a gift. It's a best gift. It's a gift. It's a blessing. It's here for us. It's here for us to learn these lessons and everything else, you know? So the hanged man is like a fish out of water and I think it's so interesting too that his feet are up towards the upper portion of the canvas because he's hanging from his feet. And so one basic like art school 101 sort of things is that at least the way I see it personally is what is towards the top of the canvas? It really is in a higher sort of place and that's. Important. Yeah, it's more significant. And so one example that I use is like the Venus glyph. And so the Venus glyph, just because it's so basic and you can pretty much like split in half, you have the circle up top and then you have the cross down below. You're basically saying in my opinion that the circle is more prominent and it's more important at least in this symbol than the cross. And so the way I tend to look at that is that you're putting the feminine over the masculine and it's Venus. So it would make sense that that's what it would be. you in verse. the glyph or you flip it and it's the cross above the circle, this sometimes is used actually as the glyph or Mars. And so you're basically saying I'm putting the masculine over the feminine. Right, right, right. And so what is up top is basically in a higher priority position. And so the fact that the feet are up top in the hanged man card speaks to the Pisces and correspondence with the feet in my opinion. Wow, yeah, that's great. And also the Hebrew letter that corresponds with the hang man as men, which means water. And relates to like a memory and remember and stuff, because men is right there in memory and remember. So there's a lot to be said about that, but I think it's an interesting one to chew on. That's a great one. You know, a lot of the alternative correspondences I haven't really resonated with as much, but that is one that I'm like, oh, that's actually pretty fascinating. I love that. Yeah. Well, with all of that said anything to add regarding the light side of Pisces. Yeah, you know, because we were just talking about how, you know, your shadows actually, yes, it's painful, yes, it's dark, but it's actually really a great place to tap into yourself and your healing. Same thing with some of these more dark aspects of Pisces, the flip side is very positive because when I think about what we were talking about that dreamy aspect or getting lost in the sauce kind of thing, that translates to creativity and being able to have like a really deep well of creative energy that that could be tapped into at any time. And so being able to transmute that may be like getting lost or getting lost in translation, pulling that in and that grounded aspect of that would be creativity and/or intuition. You know, a lot of times Pisces is heavily associated with intuition and Pisces and people being very intuitive and to be able to tap into that and have the courage to listen to that intuition, which is important for all of us, but obviously some people have a deeper well of that than others. And I think Pisces really represents that as well. And some of that what we were talking about with the being overly emotional or being taken away by the current of maybe something like alcoholism or whatever, you know, when that's rooted and that's coming from a healthy place, that can really come through as a lot of compassion and a lot of open-heartedness and a lot of being able to nurture something or being able to welcome someone in without judgment. You know, and so that's something to definitely keep in mind that, you know, all these darker aspects, yes, it's this and there's murkiness in that, but when you flip these things and when you can take those darker aspects and finally get them to a place of balance, that is where the transmutation comes and you see all these other wonderful light aspects that can be tapped into. That makes perfect sense. And, you know, I see Pisces as just being a very receptive sign. So there's a feminine quality to it which really contrasts the beginning of spring with Aries. So it's the receptivity that that's like what a hug is. You know, you're opening up your arms to receive somebody, right? That's what the chalice represents is there's a receptive nature. And so yeah, definitely you have to have that. And I would say too in today's world, I think a lot of people are really stuck in their minds and that they are trying to overly view everything through their mental lens. And the mind is very projective in a lot of ways. And that's why it corresponds with the swords. The sword is a very projective tool or weapon. And so, so I see the mind is being related to the sword. And when you're anxious, I think a lot of times you're just projecting things and you're projecting ahead the worst possible outcome of whatever, you know, even though nothing has happened yet. And so I think that people need to be more heart centered. And I was just telling you this the other day, but my understanding now is that people used to think with the heart. Yes. And that it wasn't until more modern times that people start shifting the symbolic aspect of thinking to the brain and to the head. People used to think with the heart. But I think regardless of how you want to look at it, being more heart centered is where people should strive for. And so to me, there's so much pice and stuff related to that, but the receptivity thing is what comes to mind, right? Having compassion for somebody, even having compassion for yourself. And being okay, kind of like with self love as an example, right? Right. And so I think that all that stuff is really well put for sure. Yeah. I mean, I just really love looking at both sides of these signs and of everything really as the older I get and the more that I learn and we learn together. There's been so many things that you've brought to my attention that, you know, I never have thought of when it comes to the duality of how these things work, you know, and so I'm just very appreciative of that. And I know other people listening probably will be too. Yeah. Well, you got it. The other thing that I think of with this too, I've just really looking at it from a holistic lens, right? Yes. Which is what we're trying to do by showing the shadow side and the light side, right? And again, all the signs have this, all of the symbols have this. So it doesn't matter what you're talking about. So you have the tree of death. You also have the tree of life. You know, you have all these different things. And so one of the symbols that really corresponds with this is the Vesca Pisces. Yes. And so if you have two circles and there's a bit of overlap, that space that overlaps between looks like an almond or a yoni. And so it's called the Vesca Pisces. One funny thing I think about this is that modern people and more modern books will say that Vesca Pisces, the original translation was the bladder of a fish. And to me, that never sat well with me. I have a number of books that use that translation. And it's actually a mis-translation in that it's actually vessel of the fish. That the bladder is also a symbolic vessel as well. But the original translation, the original intention was that it's a vessel and that it's the vessel of the fish. So to me, that makes way more sense. And so when you're looking at the Vesca Pisces, Pisces is right there. I'm not actually not seeing it correctly. I'm pretty sure it's Vesca pieces, peaches, something like that. Okay. And so, but Vesca Pisces is how most people refer to it. It's obviously the fish, Pisces, there you go. But when you're looking at a Yoni, you're looking at an almond shape, you're looking at the eye. The eyes of classic correspondence with the Yoni, in my opinion. When you're looking at any opening, one thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't just receive, but it also projects. And I would say the same thing is true with our eyes. The eyes just don't receive light. It also projects light. That's one of the sort of hidden dynamics with all these things is that you might just see it as receiving on one level, but it actually does both. So the Yoni does that, the vagina does that, the eyes do that as well. The Vesca Pisces does that as well. It receives and projects. And so, that is once again, Pisces, kind of in a nutshell, you know, is and the two fish, right? Once swimming up, once swimming down, one going to the left or one going to the right. You know, one is coming, one is going, whatever you want to say, right? So for what it's worth, just thought that was, you know, worth mentioning. Yeah, definitely worth it. Nice. Well, what do you say? Do you have any final thoughts here about Pisces? You want to get off your chest or do you want to move on to questions and comments? I mean, I kind of feel like I got lots a lot of my thoughts out with it. I say, let's keep it rolling unless you have other stuff you want to end on. Oh, I think I'm pretty good, actually. So let's talk about some of the comments I got on a recent post. So what I've been trying to do now is begin every sign with a picture of my binder for that sign. Yes. And basically just say, hey, you know, teach me something or if you have any questions or if there's something you want me to lean into throughout the season, let me know. And it's pretty cool just to hear what people have to say about, you know, the sign that's coming up. And so these are mostly coming from Twitter and Instagram. But I just want to say that in the future for future episodes, I would love for these questions to come through as a voicemail. Yes. So at the end of episode, I'll put together a little audio clip on how to do that. But some of the stuff that I'm just cruising through some of these comments, some of the things we've actually already mentioned. So I'm not going to talk about that stuff, but let's see here. So one comment that I got from Twitter, from F. Coria Alfarro, they said that I believe there's nothing really specific about Pisces. It is ethereal. It is white noise. You can know it is there, but one can't put your finger on it. So that's how they interpreted it. And for what it's worth, I just think that that applies more to Pisces and I think probably any other sign. Yeah, I think that. And one of the things that comes to mind hearing that. that is a fish slipping out of your hands. - Right. - You know, just like you can't quite, they're hard to hold onto, you know, which is why they, a lot of times they're used, spears are used or fish hooks or jaws of an animal, you know? - The idea of movement and cycles is a huge aspect of Pisces. And as it relates to our feet, our feet help us move. I've even heard, I think it was some MMA coach or commentator or something, say that our legs are our wheels. - Ah, yes. - And so that's absolutely true. So what does a fish do? It's always moving. They're never stationary basically. And so they're always moving about. That's just what they do. Water is always moving. So that actually relates to, in my opinion, one of the big aspects of why Pisces relates to the moon card as well, 'cause the moon is all about movement. It's all about cycles and things like that. And the chariot card, same thing relates to that. And the chariot card corresponds with cancer, look at the glyph of cancer, right? It's not unlike to fish kind of swimming around each other or something like that. And then the chariot wheel, you know, always just moving. And cancer is the only sign ruled by literally the moon itself. So I thought that made a lot of sense. To me, this feels very mercurial, by the way. And that's a weave that I don't know if I want to quite open all the way right now. But I see mercury everywhere. And it's interesting to me that I see a lot of mercurial symbolism with Sagittarius as well. And Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter. And under the traditional system Pisces is also ruled by Jupiter. - Right. And there's a lot of watery, fluidic symbolism associated with Pisces and mercury. So just something to kind of note, I guess. This whole idea of you can't quite put your finger on it, sort of thing. I think it's definitely appropriate for the sign. So moving on. So someone from Instagram, Moreya Eden, I'm assuming is her name. She said the Spanish word for pool is Pacina, as in Pisces. - Ah! - You know, I think that's interesting, and makes a lot of sense. So I just wanted to throw that out there. And let's see here, someone on Instagram, Eugenia Body Art said the chaos giving birth. - Ah. - That was her whole entire comet, or their whole entire comet. - Yeah. - And it's like, yeah, that's absolutely part of it. The sort of chaotic feminine giving birth to light is almost, I think, speaking to the transition between Pisces and Aries. And there's a lot of Christ symbolism with Aries, as I mentioned earlier. He's the lambigot, after all. And it's also this comet, the chaos giving birth relates to the Virgin Mary, being the sort of like stellar, virgin giving birth to the light. And then the axis between Virgo and Pisces is something that I think is interesting. So for a few reasons, I think that this was a comment worth reading, the chaos giving birth. All right, so someone else on Instagram, Jola Serena, basically mentioned the duality of the fish, navigating scene and unseen realms. - Ooh, that's good. - Yeah, that resonates, right? - Yeah, that's really great. - Yeah, so that's another way of looking at it. It goes on and on and on and on, but I thought that was cool. So inhale, exhale, wellness, wrote, would love to hear about Pisces being the culmination of all the signs. And one thing I just wanna mention about that is one, Pisces being a water sign, once again speaks to the watery nature of everything, including the zodiac. But the main thing I wanna mention is, if the Pisces glyph is related to the tourist field, I'm inclined to think, and I've thought this for years now, that a lot of systems are actually toroidal in nature. And so you can make the case that the major arcana is a tourist field, basically. It actually, very sneakily, begins and ends with bull symbolism. Alif is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet, it corresponds with the full card, and it means ox. So that's one thing. And then also the final card, the world card, corresponds with the Tau, the Tau Cross, and basically Tau is a tourist. And so you can make the case that the major arcana, basically is a looping tourist field, that you're pretty much what you're talking about is the energy being expressed from the center and then returning back to the center. And so the major arcana, most people know, is cyclical, circular. So it begins and then once it ends, it starts all over again. So there's a toroidal nature to it. I'm inclined to think, basically, the wheel of the zodiac is toroidal in nature, that aries even looks like energy coming from the center of the tourist field. That's what the glyph looks like. Right. And so the horns of the ram look like energy spewing from that center, and then it returns back to that same center, basically, and Pisces being the very, very end of that cycle. So the furthest depths you can kind of get before things start over again. Wow, that's a really great insight and point. Even visually I'm seeing that. The aries sprouting out, and then the Pisces having that same shape to the symbol. Wow. Well, then check this out. That's great. Pisces is the cross-section of a tourist field. Aries is like energy, basically unfurling from the center of the tourist field, followed by literally tourists. Right. So those three signs in a row have a ton of toroidal symbolism baked into it. So that's my response to that of how Pisces corresponds with the culmination of all the signs. It's because it's all toroidal in nature, basically. And so I wanted to pass that along. All right. So I think that this was just a great comment. So bear born from Instagram wrote, the void from which light aries is born, the cauldron in which all the others are dissolved, were all is made one, the journey ends, and all lessons are integrated into a whole. Right. I actually remember reading that comment. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really, really good one. So just one more time. The void from which first light aries is born, the cauldron, cauldron symbolism is definitely appropriate, in which all the others are dissolved, were all is made one, the journey ends, and all lessons are integrated into a whole. Absolutely. Yeah. That's great. So I thought that was cool. And from MMCV36 on Instagram, she basically mentioned the fact that Christ washed the feet of his disciples. And that is so Pisian because Pisces corresponds with the feet, Christ corresponds with Pisces, and then water is like there's a baptismal thing going on there, cleansing waters and whatever. So I just thought that that was a great weave. That's something that we can pull out, or you can make a video about or what have you. But that was not on my radar. So thank you for posting that. And that's going to do it for comments and questions. Next time we'll have more audio with that. But I thought that was kind of fun just to talk about some of what people are saying out there. Yeah, so keep it coming. Y'all, that's really cool when you have stuff you want to share. Put it in the comment sections. Yes, indeed. Alrighty. So I think that is going to do it for our Pisces episode. Thank you guys for hanging out and listening. We'll be back with another episode in a month for Aries. We're going to do this throughout the year. And so if you want sort of a complimentary podcast for what I put out there on symbolic studies, this is definitely it. Baby, thank you for being here and being my co-host. This was fun. Yeah, thanks for having me. This is awesome. I'm really excited and pumped to be doing these shows and see where it goes. Definitely. All right, guys, until next time. All right. See you later. Take care. All right, that concludes the live recording, Michelle and I made on Monday, February 24. I think we had a great discussion. And I really hope you got something out of it. As always, let us know what you think. But before this episode is considered a wrap, I did want to mention a couple of things. In the episode, I brought up the fact that we would love to hear your insights on Aries symbolism if you feel like you have something unique to share. To do so, you can leave a voicemail at 503-893-4606, or you can just send it by email, [email protected]. My only request is that you keep it under three minutes because we'd like to feature several clips in one episode. Also, the last thing I'll say about that is you should probably get the recordings in by March 21. 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