The Summer Movie Mailbag

I'm Sean Fantasy and this is the big picture at conversation show about your questions answered. Today on the show we are opening up the mail back to hear from you. We'll discuss the Odyssey. There's no one's great man, Spider-Man, Anthony Bourdain, Venice, and-- No women though. No women. Not a Venice. In the lineup for Adventists. Tough one. Alberto. We'll be talking about it more right after this. This episode of The Big Picture is presented by Amazon Prime. One of the best things about streaming is that you never just pick a title. You pick a feeling. And Prime makes that easy. With great entertainment and fast shipping that brings the moment to life, Prime helps you experience the feeling you're craving. Shows you can't wait for and deliveries you don't wait for. Then click away from streaming to fast shipping. It's on Prime. Okay Amanda. Okay. Your beloved Venice film festival lineup has been announced. Let me set the scene for you. What's up this morning? We had a lovely dinner with friends last night and it was wine Wednesdays so that was great. So I woke up with like two very urgent ideas in my head. Number one was like I think it's time to get my ears pierced. More on that. And number two was I need to check the Venice lineup right now. So before I put my glasses on, phone straight to the nose. And maybe the lack of prescription lenses exacerbated my feeling of like wait, where are the actual movies that are showing up at this festival. But Alberto, what happened? What happened? I'm kind of relieved that you're not super defensive about this because this is a not not a great lineup. Listen, I'm going to Europe like on the company dime for a week and I'm doing great. It is. It's confusing. I mean, it's like, and especially the absence of the Netflix films. Let's do a little little autopsy here because we can talk about the positives and there are definitely some cool movies playing. So it's not like it's an absolute nightmare. But it is not what you've come to expect over the last few years at least in terms of glitzy big ticket movies. There's not really, I would say there's not really any big ticket movies here. There are a few awards contenders that are interesting. We've already talked about ink, the new Danny Boyle film, which is very exciting and it sounds like that film is going to end up playing Venice, Tiff, Tell Your Ride and New York. It sounds like that's the only big movie this year that's going to hit all four. That's what I've heard. So that one's good. Wild Horse 9, which has been expected to go there. The new Martin McDonough film, which, you know, I think in any other years, like, oh, that's a great like third or fourth best movie at a film festival. It's kind of the big movie at this festival, obviously starts John Malkovich, Sam Rockwell Steve Buschemi. It's about, I'm not sure if they're hitmen or CIA agents, some combination of both. Could be both. Yeah. Looking forward to that movie very much. I hope it goes to Tell Your Ride personally. I would assume that it will, but they didn't tell me. We shall see. The other big one is prime time. I'm pleased about this. This is probably the best news of your morning, right? This is the new A24 film directed by Lance Oppenheim, starring Robert Pattinson as Chris Hanson from Had a Catcher Predator. Yeah. I don't know. It opens very shortly after this festival. It was just dated for September 25th. I don't know what that means, but I thought it was interesting. I'm excited to have Pattinson there. The summer fall year of Robert Pattinson continues. He's going crazy right now. And I'm excited to see that film. We've both been anticipating it. I'm excited because A24 throws the best parties. So I'm glad they're going to be in the mix. Yeah. I mean, it is. It's thin. It's thin. A few other notable things that I'm certainly interested in. Oh, sure. I'm going to see all of these films. Bunker, the new Florianzeller film, which stars Javier Bardemann, Penelope Cruz, Werner Herzog's Bucking Faster, which we talked about, which stars the Mara Sisters, Coriades Lookback. I wanted to recommend you check out the 60-minute animated version of Lookback that I think is still available on Prime Video that I think you would enjoy. It's a short anime, but it's very beautiful. And as you are having a studio at Ghibli moment with your family, I think you might write, and this is effectively a remake of that animated film. So I'm just going to suggest that to you. Put that on the great. Thank you. The only major Hollywood studio movie at this entire film festival is Oasis Cohen Don't Lookback and Anger, which is a concert documentary of their recent reunion tour, which you attended. Yes. Are you excited? Did you not go? I didn't go. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, you weren't in the husband's section? No. Sorry. I was in the house and I thought you were just there. I would have loved to have gone. Yeah, I was there at the Rose Bowl. And it was very fun. And I'll also watch, I'll do as much Oasis content as will be offered to me. Okay. We'll just come off of a summer full of Wonderwall coming at us from the English National Museum. And Liam Gallagher on Twitter, which it just gives and gives. A legend. So I will seek this out. I will enjoy it. Do it, maybe it'll be in the Oscar dot conversation, though probably not giving the, so, you know, in terms of Oscars, this is interesting and in terms of big fall movies. And you know, we're in the after glow and the continuing glow of the Odyssey in a lot of ways. And real movies are back. It's all happening. And so this, I think this line up feels like a little extra flat because it does signal a, like what's missing from the fall? Like what else is there to look forward to? Yeah. I completely agree with you. And it's a really good point. I think it shows that there's like kind of an unevenness in the year. Whereas last year, you were like, oh, new Kugler movie, new Paul Thomas Anderson movie. We were kind of like looking forward to things over periods of time. Some of those films went to festival. Some of them didn't. But in this particular case, you've got the big heavyweight filmmakers of this year. I think it's fair to say our Chris Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, and Alejandro González-Enery too. Those are probably the three biggest names. You know, Steven Spielberg. Yeah. But you know, in terms of like awards contention. Sure. But those are also three blockbuster movies that are not historically festival movies. A sparring blockbuster. Well, let's see about digger. Yeah. But it's a big scale movie. Yeah. So that changes, I think, the dynamic of what to expect at festivals. Plus there's this thing going on. We've been talking about where it's like some big filmmakers are showing festivals. They feel like they don't, maybe they don't need that or they don't want that. Or even the studios are thinking the same way. There's other stuff here that I'm interested in. Casey Affleck directed a movie. I had no idea about that. Starring Ben Mendelssohn, Paul Schrader's the basics of philosophy. Will you attend? Yeah. Of course I will. Okay. Just to take selfies like at the screen before and send them to you before I get kicked out. I would never do that. I respect. Please don't do that. Cinema. You know, at Venice, they have the, do they have this atelier? They have like the little laser. And so the ushers just have like laser pointers. They do. And if you're on your phone, they just go like this. Yes. You've told me that before. It's a great sister. It's a great sister. Yeah, that's nice. I've never been laser because I would never look at my phone during a Venice film festival screening. Will you sit through Alex Gibney's four hour Elon Musk documentary? If the timing works out, this is the, I would love to watch this on my couch. Okay. I'm not sure if this is what I want to be doing at a film festival, but I, I love Alex Gibney's docs. Yes. This movie's been in the works for a long time. Yeah. It's been reportedly very controversial. Musk, not happy at all about what's inside this movie. I mean, if I don't get, if this is the only opportunity to see it, then maybe I should think it has. I think maybe Greenwich is distributed or bleaker street might be distributing it. Okay. Maybe bleaker street. Don't. Don't back down in fear. Speaking of, there isn't even longer documentary. I'm not sure if you saw this, but Luca Guadagnino will have a film at the festival, but it is not artificial that that right up in paragraph form when I did not have my glasses on yet was that was a real roller coaster emotional moment. They got me. And then I lost it. He has a seven and a half hour documentary about the great Italian filmmaker Bernardo Bairro Lucci. That's cool. Seven and a half hours. I'm definitely not taking a boat at seven a.m. to go spend my whole day doing that with respect to Luca. I'll watch it at home. You've also got to consider adding on some time because maybe the delays in preparing the films you see exactly like the exact the line outside the door in the thunderstorm with the umbrellas that are literal lightning rods, that would be challenging. So no digger, Adventist, which is something that people have been speculating for a year. No social reckoning. We talked about the reshoots last week. Yeah. Do you know how are you feeling about if that's coming out in 26? I think you will. Okay. But all right. And I have a little bit more information about it now than I did yesterday. But I don't know if I think it's going to be good. Well, I mean, I think we know what I think about that. No behemoth. Exclamation point. I think this means going, we're going to tell you right. Okay. So that would be nice. No artificial. Yeah. I think I think this is cowardly. No cliff booth. So is Dan Lynch is hosting his own festival in the Netflix cafeteria now? Like what's going on? Like what? This is, so they have ink which is opening the festival, but it was announced as the opening festival before Netflix acquired it. That's right. It's suspected that that was done before that though. Yeah. I'm sure. But it's, but still they, that's it. And they normally have a big presence at this festival. And it's notable that they're just skipping it completely this year. I think they're in a different era. I don't think they're in the same Oscar race era that they once were, you know? But we were just talking about how we think the lineup is pretty good. Yeah. They have some cool movies coming out. Maybe those movies are not Oscar. You know, a movie like Here Comes the Flood. It's possible. That's a completely commercial play. Or is not, there is not a centilla of prestige about it. And if there's not, then it wouldn't go to a place like that. Right. Maybe true for the other movies that I mentioned with you on Chris earlier this week. I don't know. It's interesting. It's interesting. You know, like, libel and eggers going to tiff. That was an acquisition. In case an acquisition. Yeah. It's a different time at the studio, I think. And how that impacts Venice long-term is fascinating, because Alberto has been relying for the last five years on Netflix. Right. To bring the glitz. Yeah. And so this is not a very story edition of this festival. No. And you know, Venice is also where the great Joker to folia debacle happened. Yes. Which I do think. I was the one you missed, right? Yes. Since I've been going. Because I think Si was born like that weekend. That's why we did not name Si Arthur. And it was on the list. It's a night. I'd lovely name. We discussed that. Yeah. My uncle and grandfather were named our sir. It's a beautiful name. But that was so roundly panned. And then just sunk at the box office. That I think that that has been not for the awards contenders, but for all the big studio movies. That plus the Indiana Jones can situation was just kind of why for a studio blockbuster, unless you really have the goods. There's no point in doing this. So it really changes the dynamic of what the draw is for those festivals. I agree. And it makes it really interesting to look at. There is going to be some star power there. George Clooney and Ellen Berson will be honored with lifetime achievement awards. Do you attend that stuff? How does that work? I went the first year when Wes Anderson got one. Oh, yeah. And it was like a Cartier award or something. He was like a Cartier global ambassador. I mean, I also have a few. Yeah. That would have everything. Maybe he got a collector edition. And that was very nice. But I think that was also that was the year. It was Henry Sugar. What were the short films? Yeah. I think that was the Henry Sugar year. So it worked together. So that was maybe the premiere of that as well. Maggie Jones heading up the jury, a bit ironic. You know, Maggie, a very outspoken female filmmaker. There is only one woman with a film and competition at Venice this year out of 20. You say what? I say, once again, I'll bear to what happened. What happened? This is a Terry from Moe from Can has come under fire over the years for this very same issue. Yeah. You know, Nate Jones and Vulture this year published a 100 most powerful directors list. Right. And there were only eight women on that list. I would say that that wasn't necessarily inaccurate. No, I mean, you asked me about it. And I said, I like, I don't think it's the list that's accessed. I think it's reflecting when Hollywood, how Hollywood movies get made right now. There were there were subcategories. Great list. Great. Great. Like New York magazine, my alma mater, still the best to do it in my opinion. And Nate Jones and a great list. So there were subheads. And I noticed that like basically all the women directors were put under the subhead of like film festival favorites, which is ironic given that now they can't even get to the film festivals, because they were it was light it can and even lighter here. Yeah. I don't know. This is a problem. It's not good. And it's something that people who work in Hollywood have been working on. There are a lot of different foundations and and and think tanks and groups that like focus on this and try to figure out how to build developmental systems to get more women making movies. I noted to you that half of the women who are on Nate's list are former actresses or current working actresses. It's a bit of an epidemic. Yeah. And I'm not going to white night because I've got the real night right here. You can say everything you need to say about it, but it keeps popping up in these festival circumstances. So I hope you have a great time at the festival. I think this boat's pretty well for tell you right? Okay. That's I'm happy. That's my. I'm happy for you. Then then we'll both be happy because you'll be in the mountains with Pedro Pascal and I will be Adventist with Robert Pattinson and a really good after party. Do you think what I want? Do you think Pedro has a lot to say to me? You know, do I have a lot to say to him? Do you? Well, and I like his work. No, he's not on and or he would he's made a Lauren, which is related. But yeah, do you think he knows what happened on and or? Do you think that was a prerequisite for working with Joni Goroy? No, but I'm sure he's seen it and enjoys it. Okay. One can assume. I think what are you doing a situation like that? Do you just walk up and say like, Hey man, thank you for your work? I mean, I never do that. No, I I'm always more than happy to be introduced to someone to chat with someone in that situation, but I am never the person who says, Hey, I just want to tell you your work means the world to me in the Mandalorian and group. Like I just wouldn't do that. That's just not my thing. Even though I have those feelings about people that I'm proximity. Yeah. Like Grogu, if it was Grogu, I would do it. If Grogu was it tell you should Grogu go to tell you ride this year. I, you know, he went to the Oscars. He did. But he was stationary. I don't know whether I'm not talking about the puppet. I'm talking about the real Grogu. Like, I want to get the real Grogu. None of this fake shit. Okay. The puppet is welcome in a little gondola at Venice. Imagine Grogu on the list. Such a good idea. Well, he wouldn't have to wait in line. He could zip around. Taxi. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Would you roll with Grogu? Absolutely. Are you kidding? Do you don't have a scene partner this year at Venice? Well, that's not true. But I'm parsing it together because now I have festival friends and people. So there are going to be some people there at the beginning. I have a friend coming from like Europe for a few days. Okay. Okay. It's it's going to work out. We're going to be great. I'm going to go to the Drees Foundation. Do you know about that? Drees Van Noten. I know what Drees Van Noten is. Okay. I don't know what the foundation is. It's like a museum, you know. Okay. And what are they working on? What are they working on? Yeah. Are they solving the world's problems? Yes. I'm going to do the the art. Bienniali was this year. So I'm going to go to some of the pavilions. Okay. And see, you know, that all the art that the world has to offer us to say about AI and recreate the the brutalist, the ending of it, which went over so while the first time. I loved it. Let's pivot away from Europe. The arc light. Pivoting from Europe to the Alamo Draft House is really in within the movie realm. It's as hard as you can pivot. This is America. Yeah. This is America. The arc light is for those listening at home who don't know a historic movie synoplex here in Los Angeles, smack dab in the middle of Hollywood. If you've seen the film once upon a time in Hollywood, you have seen the sequence where Cliff Booth drives past the syndrome at home, which is the primary movie theater and one of the most historic movie theaters in America. And it has been closed since COVID began in 2020. It has not reopened. For me, I moved here in 2012. It was the number one movie theater that I attended in 2007 when I came to visit Los Angeles, kind of like my scouting trip for I lean and I to figure out who wants to live here. We went to the arc light twice. It is one of my absolute favorite places in the universe. And it was announced yesterday that the space which has been sitting dormant has been acquired by Alamo Draft House and will reopen in 2028. Now by Sony and it will Sony owns Alamo Draft House. And so they are buying they've bought the entire complex, which in addition to the cinema on the dome was a 14 screen theater run by the arc light chain, which had several other locations, Pasadena, and was a wonderful, wonderful movie theater chain and managed to bridge something that no other chains or movie theaters like in Los Angeles or anywhere, but specifically Los Angeles, because such a movie town have managed, which is like, it is both, it was like very like art house, cinephile vibes, but showed everything, you know, no fear of the commercial. And it was the perfect experience for like people who just want to go see a movie comfortably and well projected. Yes. And the staff would introduce every movie and it it was the best and I miss it dearly. Yeah. So they're turning the 14 screens into an Alamo. And then they are restoring the synoramid dome. So the synoramid dome they say will will be as it was and they'll preserve like the the architecture and the the retro vibe of it upgrading. I think the projection, which is great. I think the both of the production and I imagine the seating will be upgraded. That I mean, that would be nice. But they will not be implementing the Alamo dinan and hopefully not so much of the branding. Yeah, we'll see. You know, Alamo has been going through this fascinating reputational transition over the last year. And when it was first acquired, I think our reaction to it was, well, we'll see. I mean, so I never owned a movie theater chain. You couldn't legally own a movie theater chain as a studio until fairly recently when the Paramount law was overturned. So I think the response has generally been not good because of the introduction of the QR codes in the ordering system, which goes against the entire premise of Alamo Drafthouse, which was no phones, no disturbances, even though. And let us lecture you about that at really, really great length, even as we allow people to run up and down the aisles through the climactic parts of dramatic movies to bring you your unlimited popcorn. It's a, it's a I've never been a fan. It's a flawed system. I have always enjoyed my time in the Austin editions. I haven't spent a lot of time within New York edition, but that one is also pretty popular. The one in L.A. has always been, I would say a little snake bit structurally. It's in a very, in a very odd building. I do see movies still there. I still like to go see movies there, but it is an ideal. I don't, I hope that that energy is not completely transported to the Arclay because the Arclay, you know, for me, it's church, but for a lot of people, it is like at least sanctuary. It's a place to go. At this time of year in L.A. when it's 95 degrees, it's like one of the best places to go. It's very big. It's got a big open air kind of atrium in the lobby area that people are always hanging out and and then talking it. It's got a great cafe inside. Like I want them to replicate all those things that I liked about it. And it did also, which is very rare for Los Angeles have walkable, like, dining, esk options nearby, like in the same complex where you could park, you know, I don't believe that Stella Barra is there anymore. I don't think it's there anymore, yeah. But there were a lot of restaurants. A lot of those places. And now that's all filled with condos that people don't seem to live in. I think it's an interesting thing for us to talk about here, even though it's a very local concern for us, because it's an unusual situation where a big historic movie theater is being restored and is being made mass, you know, it's being made like available to the public in a way that is not there's not this is not like video it's opening as a movie theater or the American Cinematic Restorations of like the Egyptian or Los feels three. It this is like a place where like everybody goes. And you really have to get it right. And as this movie moment is happening and there are questions about this around IMAX with the Odyssey that we'll get to very shortly. I think there's this question of kind of like how can the industry meet the moment of people realizing like oh, I do like to go to the movies. Right. And I do think these formats are interesting to me. I noted that the Burbank 16 here in Los Angeles is building a second Dolby room to accommodate additional interest in PLFs and you know that kind of like elevated seating experience that people want in movie theaters. So there's something it's not quite transformational, but I think everybody who owns movie theaters knows like shoot. If we don't make this work like this moment my go away because if people are going to spend their time here like we have to make it comfortable for them. And so I'll be keeping a very close eye on this experience as they upgrade this movie theater. Yeah. This it is also it underlines how much of this specific movie theaters issues, but also movie theaters more broadly are like a real estate issue. You know, which is because this was the the theater was closed because of the pandemic, but also as we understood it in the reporting around it because the owners didn't really feel like reopening it after the pandemic and they felt that this location could ultimately be more valuable as as real estate as you know being sold off probably for condos. This is an area of Hollywood that has its own issues right now for sure as all of Los Angeles does we it's a wonderful city and also we live in hell, but so and I would love the behind the scenes of like how Sony prevailed upon them to sell it and how much it is worth and and what's going on with all the rest of those condos. Yeah, no, I'm sure I'm really looking forward to it. I love a price tag as you know like show you know follow the money, but that does seem to be a larger issue for all movie theaters is that they've got the they've got interest back, but do they have like the actual space and capital to be able to rebuilds and to to make these like make what they own valuable or to hang on. Yeah, I don't know, viable is really the question is like can you justify the expense of a place like this the form and family which owned the movie theater and that space. What I had read what I've read and I can't confirm this, but what I've read is that keeping the doors closed on the on the venue was largely like a tax choice that you know they would not have to pay not only whether not to pay employees or or insurance liabilities, but it allowed for them to effectively make it a write write down for a long start of time. So I think you're right that they probably paid a pretty penny to get the rights to this place, which as I said here it is an iconic space. There's not a single movie fan in LA that doesn't know what the cinema dome is that doesn't want it to reopen. So in that respect, I have to celebrate this. Well, I think we also have to be cautious about what it's going to end up becoming. Yeah. Okay. You want to talk about the Lugerig biopic really quickly? You know is sick. Is this good? I don't know. I'm really so interested. What do we know about? Well, Richard Linklater is directing a biopic of the legendary New York Yankee slugger Lou Gehrig starring Glenn Powell. The screenplay is written by Simon Rich. This is for Universal. It's a studio movie. This was announced yesterday. Yeah. All people I like, I'm a met's fan, not a Yankees fan, but Lou Gehrig's life is completely fascinating. He's you know the Iron Horse, one of the one of the best baseball players of all time. So I'm going to play a massive consecutive game streak slugger who came in behind Dave Ruth, and absolutely beloved iconic figure who died very young because he's probably the first public person who was identified as being diagnosed with ALS. And it was called and it's called Lou Gehrig's disease. And there is a movie about his life called, I think pride of the Yankees. So pride of the Yankees. I believe that's correct. Pride of the Yankees, darn Gehrig Cooper. And it's a good movie. I saw it probably when I was a teenager. It's a bit of a stiff 1940s, you know, sincere portrait of this man. But Rick Linklater and Simon Rich making this movie kind of fascinates me because they never come at anything head on. So like, is there like sort of like side door entrance to a sports movie, like a period piece sports biopic about a person who is generally revered, you know, if you were like, they're making Babe Ruth, I'd be like, oh, I see they're going to be like in a reverent take on Babe Ruth because Babe Ruth was kind of a, he was kind of a transgressive figure, you know, he liked, he liked the women in wine, you know, he was, he was Lou Gehrig is, he's the stuff dreams are made of, you know, he's like, he's all American. But what this movie presupposes is, maybe he's not. I don't know. I don't know. Listen, I, it was Glenn Powell playing a baseball player. Yeah. Great. Glenn Powell back with Richard Linklater. Great. Richard Linklater working with Simon Rich, great by me. Universal has good taste in the stuff and handles movies. Well, like, I'm fine. I'm fine. Try it. You know, it's more like people try. Nine at a 10 times. If you, if you give me this much information about a movie, I'm like, I think I know what this is going to be. Yeah. This one, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And that's exciting. Is it, I mean, you are not expressing it as excitement. You like to know everything at all times. I do. That's what I love baseball. I just love baseball. And in fact, even, well, yeah, of course, I have a lot to think about now with the meds. I've got these young outfielders who I adore. You know, we've got Zach Thornton on the rise. Things are happening. Jack Wright, things are happening. Thank you. Okay. We're doing a baseball movie draft later this year. You know that, right? Yeah. I do. Yeah. How do you feel about that? I love baseball movies. Yeah. Yeah. Baseball movies. I love. I'd like baseball. We've had to turn it out after the World Cup. We were kind of like too much sports, too much sports. Well, just too much plopping our children in front of the TV. And also we got to save the rest of that for the plane flights later this summer. Understood. So we have like had to resist the urge to put the fillies on at 4/3. How are the fillies doing? Good. Bad. I know you guys don't care. Maybe 12 games over 100 something like that. They're doing a whole lot better than the meds who also fired their manager in season. Now they are very thickly in the wild card race. Whereas we will be trading over best. Okay. So it's that time of the summer. Where are you? So we've gone through. This is catastrophe. My life is over. I can never believe in anything again. And then we're getting to the point of the summer where it's like, oh, there's a glimmer of hope. Maybe playoffs. Maybe they're going to happen. And then you're rearranging your New York Film Festival tramp. No, not for the meds. Not for the meds. Oh, the fillies. The fillies are good. That was the fillies. The fillies are in good shape. Okay. They're almost certainly going to make the playoffs. I'm saying that they'll forget how to hit like they do every October. And they're lined up as deeply far. Yeah. They're lined up as deeply far. But they're an intriguing team with three very strong front line starting pitchers. So they're going to the playoffs. Days of Thunder 2. It's happening at Paramount with Tom Cruise. Maybe director by Jonathan Levine, unusual choice. Not a bad choice. Jonathan Levine, I think most people came to see it with the whackness who I had on the show for, gosh, what was the Amy Schumer Goldie Horn comedy? Snatched. Snatched. Thank you very much. Lovely guy. He directed Mr. Irrelevant, the forthcoming John Tuddle story. Okay. All right. Oh, that okay. Sounds like maybe that's how he got in the mix here. Days of Thunder 2. Do we need that? Okay. So you assume that you assume that Nicole Kidman, the 23 year old neurologist from the original Days of Thunder will have moved on. Now she's a 68 year old neurologist. She's a neurologist, right? She's like, I'm still recovering. I would like to formally apologize. Most of all to myself, but to everyone else who listened all the way through the Diane Keaton Hall of Fame. Thank you. Number one, who the fuck apologizes themselves? And number two, for misidentifying Sam Shepard's character in Baby Boom as a pediatrician when he is, in fact, a veterinarian. I was wrong. I'm correcting it now and I'm going to do better in the future. Okay. Thanks for that. But so is she a neurologist? I don't have to do that again. Do you know where coltricle is from? Do you know where he was born and raised? Do you have any idea? Neurosurgeon. Neurosurgeon, sure. Okay. Sure. I believe that. Long Island? No, Eagle Rock, California. Well, that doesn't make any sense at all. It's just the fact. Watch the film. Any other movie news come across your transom? So you just do an F1? Is this what he's doing? I don't know. Who do you want to be the young buck coming up behind him? Glenn Powell. Okay. You know. Okay. I mean, we saw that movie. Sure. And I loved it. But do you think Cruz goes into the Robert DuVal role? Or he's the old code? I have to be honest. All I remember about Days of Thunder is driving and that Nicole Kidman is an absurdly young neuro doctor who I've now confirmed is a neurosurgeon. Let's do some math right now, okay? So Robert Duval, who played the inspirational coach in that film, which came out in 1990. Duval was born in 1931, which means he was 59. Okay. - When that movie came out, is that correct? Am I doing my math right? I think I am. - I wasn't listening to numbers. - And how old is Tom Cruise? - 64. - So Tom Cruise is five years older than Robert Duval was when he was the coach in Days of Thunder. And in the film, when I was 12 and I saw Days of Thunder, and you were like, how old is the coach? I would have been like 87. He's probably the oldest man who's ever lived. And Cruise is five years older than him. And Cruise is almost certainly not going to be the coach. He's going to be in the car. - And he's going to have the love interest. - What a time. - No way. - Yeah, of course he is. - You think so? - Excuse me. Have you not lived through the 20 most recent years of Tom Cruise's work? Where we're getting, but Digger though, he's playing old. - Yeah, but Digger. - But Digger though. - Okay. - Anything else you want to say about Days of Thunder too? - Why is this one? Why this one is just because of F1. I guess because people, yeah, people like cars going fast. - And Days of Thunder is Brookheimer. And I'm sure that that's part of the machine, right? - Yeah, it worked for Maverick. - It was never my Cruise movie, but. - Sure, whatever. - You know, it's not mine either. It is Tony Scott who I love, but it's not my favorite Tony Scott. - Yeah. - I think it's kind of a bad script. All right, any other thoughts before we get to this mail back? No, you want to say anything about Leo season before we do it? - No, I was trying to think, I was honestly, that silence was me trying to remember whether we've done Leo season yet. We'll get to it in the mail back. - All right, Jack Sanders, you and Lucas Kavanaugh have scoured these emails. What, did any general takeaways from the emails before you ask these questions? - Honestly a strong batch. Major, thank you to Lucas Kavanaugh who sifted through 600 emails in a day. These questions were good. I honestly think it like the strength of these questions kind of represents the worst-so-back vibes that are going on right now, that's how I feel. So the first question, and there's a couple of these is basically a combination of 100 people's different questions is people are asking about IMAX. Many listeners commented on the online discourse surrounding the format differences, the difficulty to secure IMAX 70 millimeter tickets and the lack of true IMAX projectors. One listener even noted that their friends chose not to see the film because they couldn't get IMAX 70 millimeter tickets, because the marketing told them that they needed to see it on the biggest screen possible. Now that audiences have become aware of this new kind of movie going experience, what do you think the future of IMAX looks like? - Well, the company's up for sale, so I feel like this matters. You know, there's only 1,000 screens in America that support this format. There's only 41 that support 70 millimeter in this format. I think it represented something like, was it 40% of ticket sales over the opening weekend? So it's obviously pretty critical to the future of the industry, and yet anytime you talk to someone, they say that building new projectors for IMAX 70 or building more screens is incredibly pricey and hard to come by. And I think for people like me and you were like, well, what do you mean? There's demand. - Right. - Why can't you just make more? But you also made that salient point about real estate. - Yeah, and the movie theaters don't exactly have a tremendous amount of cash on hand right now. And so having the money to build it plus then renegotiating, you know, in Los Angeles and in New York and places with very vibrant movie cultures. It's probably easier to justify like the extra space and also, you know, finding the space. But, you know, malls are, are malls dead? Are malls coming back? I can't really tell these days, you know? - LA is an illusion 'cause everything is still normal. It's like, it's not normal, but like, there are a lot of malls here. - Yeah, it's like malls are dead, but also addicted is the only, you know, clothing store in the world for anyone under 30. That's coming for you. - I don't know what that is, okay. - It's literally right next to the Americana movie theater. It's like the new, well, it's the new Brandy Melville, which also still exists, but it's the new, like, wet seal, you know, type situation. You don't know what wet seal was? - No idea what you're talking about. - It's wear teenagers by cheap trashag clothing. - They sell blu-rays there. Okay. I don't know what the answer to this is. - Yeah. - I think that they got to build more screens, but I also think if you live in, I don't know, like, I don't want to disrespect any kind of smaller city or larger town in America, but let's just say Boise, Idaho, for example. I'm sure there's a wonderful movie going culture there, but if it's February, 2029, and there's not a big movie on the slate, and you're trying to force a dumpuary title onto IMAX, and that's a space that could be very valuable, but you're not getting the most bang for your buck out of that real estate investment. It does, it throws into question, like what is the purpose of it? It's easy to say at the time of, you know, the Odyssey or doing part three, like every movie theater should have five IMAX screens, but that's not the reality. Like, you and I go to Regal Paseo at the time. Whenever I go there, it's empty. So, you know, and I love Regal Paseo, and I'm very grateful to have a movie theater like that, but it's a tough business, and it's only at times of great success and great desire when we get questions like this. And I understand them. If you want these things to get built, go to the movies more. Go to the movies in the downtime. Don't just go to the three movies a year that you hear you have to see. Why isn't there a culture of a rep IMAX screenings? That's interesting, maybe just 'cause there's not enough to support. Yeah. I saw someone, I'm not sure if this is actually true, but I think that there is an IMAX in Chattanooga that was built in a museum for like planetarium and nature documentary purposes. Was it an aquarium? The Chattanooga aquarium? Must be at the aquarium. Yeah. So that aquarium is just screening the Odyssey. They just turned that movie theater into, and you know, we have at the Natural History Museum here in Los Angeles, there's an IMAX screen and it only screens these shorter films. You could start turning those over if you can get those aquariums to agree to, 'cause I'm sure financially it's the better move to be selling out the entire population of the greater Chattanooga area to once the sea of the Odyssey and its proper format. But it's gonna take a little bit of cleverness, I think, to expand the palette. I told you, I already told you the Dolby thing with Burbank and I think that will keep happening too. We'll see what an infinity vision does. The division, I was gonna say, yeah, Disney's trying it as well. My understanding is that infinity vision is effectively just Dolby, and those rooms will be all allocated to a redri-druce thing. And so that's an example of premium formats that are not, like IMAX is one company and it's branded. And Chris Runnell and his developer real relationship with them and developed entire technology as to be able to use his particular cameras. But the Odyssey is a pretty specific example. And I think the larger point is about more premium format, like nicer places to see movies, which also costs a lot of money. - It does. It makes it more expensive to go to the movies. So I don't know, what is the future of IMAX? I hope if they get sold, I hope it's to a good company and not a bad company. I don't know if I can be more direct on that. Okay, what's next, Jack? - Where are you guys out on aquariums real quick? - Love. - Agreed. - Chattanooga Aquarium was a big field trip. That's a big Southern, like, locale, you know, an attraction that we would go to. And also my family lived in your Chattanooga. So listen, Ruby Falls, if you know, you know. - I'm going on vacation to see my family on Long Island and we will be going to the aquarium when we go back to Long Island. So yeah, I'm very, very pro aquarium. The Long Beach, the Aquarium in Long Beach here is wonderful, it's a great way to spend time. Okay, what's next? - Next question comes from Kathy. Why do you think there's so much negativity around Avengers Doomsday, but still so much excitement about Spider-Man brand new day? If Marvel is cooked in Sean's words, wouldn't that affect Spider-Man? Do you think it's the fact that the Spider-Man movies are narrowly focused on one protagonist while Doomsday seems to include every character from the past 15 years? - I think there's a variety of ways to attack this question. - No, I think, you know, sort of a leading question there, though it was phrased in the form of a question. Thank you, Kathy. - Um, but yes. - Well, Spider-Man is like Batman. - And also Spider-Man. - Yeah, Spider-Man is a Batman. - Every time you make a Spider-Man movie, people are gonna be interested. And the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies are pretty good. I like them a lot. - He's good at Spider-Man. Also, Spider-Man is a kid, not any more in this movie, which is a little bit-- - We'll see how that goes. - Yeah, but there is just an inherent interest for children in, oh, look, it's another kid. - He does bridge a gap. He's an introductory character in a lot of it. So he's kind of eternal. And Batman is kind of the same, I think, for like angsty boys, you know, as you're getting into your teenage years or your young adult, you know, adolescent years. Batman is also like, he's the flip side of the coin of the Spider-Man hero archetype. So I think of them as very similar. And I think those kinds of movies are always gonna work. Doomsday is one of those things where it's being eventized in a way that it's not a common comic book movie. It's an event style movie. Look, there's also a lot of positivity about Doomsday. There are a lot of people who are very excited about Doomsday. When I said that Marvel is cooked, I meant creatively. I meant the movie doesn't look very good and it feels creatively bankrupt, which is what we discussed on the show. It's gonna sell a lot of tickets. Whether or not it's gonna have-- - Infinity vision. - Well, will it have any cultural capital? Like will it get beyond the hardcore, the serious fandom? That's where we're gonna find out. - I'll see it. - Yeah, I'm gonna see it for sure. Not only that, I look forward to seeing it. - I might, can we make this? Oh, this would be so fun. So you know how every year around the holidays, I proposed doing, you know, like one's title, what's a title that we can have the big pick holiday party in K.A. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go to the movies with lots of booths. Yeah. Can it be Avengers Doomsday? I know you have to pay attention. Oh, well, we have to do a podcast about it. Well, we have to do like two podcasts about it. Do we have to do two? I guess we do have to do two. I know, but it's the same day as June. I know, and I know, I really don't know what we're gonna do about that. Just from a pure programming perspective. And also to December 18th. Yeah. That is like school is out. Yeah, you know, so that's a real issue. They're coming with us. (laughing) Our kids are invited to the big picture holiday party at the Regal Paseo. I, Jack, what are we gonna do with that? Are we gonna do two separate episodes? Four-hour mega episode. That's what I'm talking about. Not actually. I do think, I do think the thing that makes sense is split it into two episodes. So when barbenheimer happened, we did a barbenheimer episode where we talked about both movies and the experience of both movies. Now it's fun. And then the next week we did a standalone Oppenheimer episode and a standalone barbie episode. Yeah. I think that makes sense, but it also feels unsatisfying. 'Cause I think what people want when they come out of a movie. Well, here's what it is. There's not got to program the show live on the show or whatever. I think that is probably the right strategy in terms of episodes. I think we got to tinker with the release schedule. Yeah, okay. And I think we just got to do everything as soon as possible. And put it up. Yeah. And then, and then it's Christmas because that's the other thing about this that is sort of weird is that then people, like discipline while we hope to disappear off the face of the earth. We'll be working that Monday and Tuesday. And so many movies. I'm always working, you know? We will be working that following Monday and Tuesday. But it is an insanely busy time. Yeah, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. It'll all work out fine. Everything's gonna go great. The show definitely exists. This is a great plan. Thank you so much to the Disney and Warner Brothers corporations for everything that you do for us in the movie going community. It's very positive. Tell you what, jacked up about "Duneport 3." Same. Show it to me now. Very, very much what I'm saying. Jacked it into my veins. The next question is also a combination of many questions. People like this Chris Nolan guy. Many listeners are comparing him to Kubrick and they're asking. I bet they are. Thank you. Can we expect him to complete his great man trilogy in his next film? Will he adapt another famous unadaptable text? Can he go any bigger? Will he make a horror movie? What is next for him? Dog, great man trilogy. We have what? What is 13-A-G? You know? That's what we have. (laughing) Oh yeah, 14-A-G? I don't know. I don't know what he's gonna do. Do you feel angst about it? No. Did you get the impression that these people are worried for Christopher Nolan that they feel stressed about what he's gonna do next? I didn't sense anxiety, but I think just people are like, what is it? What is next? Anticipation? Yeah, of course, of course. He's on the generational heater. He's now doing the thing. I mean, he's about to enter a six-month Oscar campaign for this movie. It has, I think, a very strong chance to do pretty much what Oppenheimer did and that will interrupt some of his creative process. He usually takes about three years between movies and Universal has already dated July 20th, 2029. I haven't said this is untitled Christopher Nolan event film, but you can rest assured that's what that will be if the movie's ready. And so yeah, we'll see. What should he do? I would love if he did a standard issue horror movie. I don't mean like a slasher, but something with a little bit of elevation to it, but I think it'd be cool to see him just the same way he's trying on classical biopic, swords and sandals epic, space exploration, a movie about magic. There's all these kind of like micro genres that you can find movie. He keeps dipping his toes in all these really fun sub genres that we love to watch and talk about on the show. So horror movie would be a good one. And it would certainly be as he talked about going to see obsession with his kids, like resonant with the times. You know, then it's like horror really made it when the biggest director in the universe is like time for my horror movie. There's some downside to that. There's some like I knew I liked this band before they were famous energy to that. Yeah, but you guys are already in that space. That's the horror fan reaction to obsession was I had this on vinyl, you know, it was not for me, but it was, but it was I really liked it. But it, but yeah, I get what you're saying. I don't know. Is there something you'd want them to take a, take a try at sense and sensibility remakes? Yeah, from the, from the perspective of Mr. Willoughby, that would be, that would be great. You don't get that reference because you don't remember. Oh, I don't see it one time. Yeah, yeah, but I like that. A retelling from a man's perspective. Sure, yeah, that's what we're missing. Can I just say the Kubrick comparison, I get what people are going for. I know that he makes these kind of big scale movies that we make you feel and think about the world or whatever, but they could not be more different. Yeah, they really could not be. Stanley Kubrick was obsessed with sexuality and power and psychology. And he was really interested in what's on the outskirts of society and the human mind. Christopher Nolan is like a nice British guy with a good family, you know, he's not. He doesn't, he didn't show. And he believes civilization will rise again. Maybe, yeah, maybe. Like we didn't get to see Calypso, fuck Odysseus. You know what I mean? Like that was not on the menu for the Odyssey. They're not the same. Like go watch out. Can we go to the, can we go to the Dick's question now? Yes, give me two seconds, vamp for me. Okay, thank you. This, this is related. I think it's the very last question. It's a very good question. Sorry if you were saving it for the kicker. No, I got it right here. Okay. So this question comes from, I believe it's pronounced strati. There's a lot of people complaining about the historical accuracy of the Odyssey. And while I don't really care for that discourse as a Greek American, the one complaint I do have on historical accuracy is the lack of penises. There were two scenes specifically that could have featured a penis or multiple penises that naked cyclops scene or when Cersei turns the pigs back into men. So my question is, why didn't I see a penis? This question was definitely written in from Mallory Ruben. Strati would like to see the cyclops hang down. Well, yeah, listen, I'm with Strati. I appreciate the historical context and the interest. And I think I broadly agree, though, those are not the Dick's I would want to see, you know? That's what it's like, I mean, sure, maybe the cyclops doesn't have a traditional human dick, you know? We don't know. We don't know what's up with the cyclops. The other is? Well, it's I mean, it's it's unspecified in the text, at least in the Emily Wilson translation. That's right. And so I don't know what's up with cyclops anatomy. Okay. I would imagine that the Greek soldiers' anatomy is doing pretty well. And I would have been open to that. I think she makes some good points. What if Menolais just dropped trial mid story? Good work. I mean, you know, Aga Memnon is bathed, but you're not in the bath. It's all from behind, which I thought actually was like excellent. He's also, he's viewed on a bed and is, you know, he's filled by Clytemnestra. Well, it's nude, I think. You know, as, as previously noted, Pattinson skirts, pretty short, swinging in the breeze. There's some opportunity. I mean, what, what, what, what, let's just say that, that Nolan was like, we're going to do it. We're going to show it all. And just Matt Damon, I max 70, verticalized, unsheathes his sword for the whole world to see. Are we like, well, this film is great. Like, that's exactly what we needed in this movie. I mean, you know, in most cases, they are. Maybe that's what was missing. The missing dick is more integral to the text of the film. You know, like, it's all about missing that dick. And there's also about, there's an imbalance between the nudity, like female nudity and male nudity in the movie. There's not really that much female nudity either. And this mean, well, there's a shot of Shirley's Theron with mesh from behind. She looks amazing. She has something under the mesh. The women on the island during the siren song are nude, but it's a very far away hair is covering. It's tasteful. And it's only there. They're seated, you know? So it's more of a, have you ever sat like that nude? Like, like, upon a rock? No, it's way too, like, paint me like one of your fresh curls, you know, type thing. Have you ever been painted? Yeah, there's a childhood portrait of me. You don't know about this. This is the most, I can't believe that-- I feel like an incredible Lord drop. Like, I had to sit for a portrait. Is it like in the style of Caravaggio? Like, what happened? No, but it's in the style of like a weird portrait hall. And it's in my dad's home. I'm trying to get a picture of it. You and I were raised for a different way. We were raised for a different way. And my memory of this was just my mother being like, a man to sit still, a man of what's wrong with you. And I was like, I'm five, this sucks. Anyway, I'm trying to imagine my parents saying, we want you to be painted. That never came up. I'd guarantee you. Yes. I'm not saying it was a great choice, but you asked the question. And I had an answer. And I had to do portrait hands. Like, my hands had to be like this one hand over the other. It all makes sense now. It doesn't make any sense at all. But here I am. Let's just get back to Dicks for a second. Let's get back to Dicks. Did the Trojan horse have a dick? I don't think so. No, I don't. I don't want to talk. Well, it's rearing up. Yeah, sure. And it's not there. It's sort of a Barbie situation. I don't know that anatomical correctness was an issue for that construction. Right? That was, that was a gift. - But so you're saying that it's not the erasure. It's not Nolan's erasure. It's historically accurate that there is no dick on the one horse. - I don't know. I don't know. - They put a dick on all their other art. - Emily Wilson is on Derek Thompson's plain English this week. Do you think that Derek asked that searing question? - Well. - Where was the Trojan horse's dick? - Did it have a dick? - Yeah, did it. I don't know. These are life's great mysteries. I gotta say, wonderful question. That's T-Wall from Amanda, what you just did. Okay, next question. - Next question comes from Nick. An honor of counter programming. Do you think the invite will be a major player at the Academy Awards? It has stellar reviews and awards friendly cast and the minor 34% drop in its second weekend of wide release indicates strong word of mouth. Could we see a quartet of acting nominations or wild in the director race? Or is it more likely to just be in contention for screenplay if even that? - We did a whole episode about this movie. We didn't talk about this. We did not talk about whether or not this film has awards chances. - Why not? 'Cause you forgot that. - I just forgot. - Okay. - I guess it's a movie directed by a woman. - Yeah. - Could be. The movie I like quite a bit. - I think the answer is yes to all of this. Why did you text me on Tuesday being like, what's up with? You just sent me a screenshot of-- - Someone online posted a screenshot. A screenshot of 10 films that they are predicting are gonna be the best picture nominees. - Okay. - Obviously we're not gonna start doing the best picture power rankings in July. But we'll do it in September. But-- - From the lead-o. - The 10 movies that we're sure I thought were interesting 'cause it was some very obvious ones, right? It's like the Odyssey and Project Hail Mary are almost certainly gonna be nominated for best picture. I'll be stunned if neither of those movies are nominated for best picture. And then we talked about Wild Horse 9. Digger, you know, there's a lot of, those are filmmakers whose films have been nominated for best picture before. It's reasonable to assume that. Dune part three, there's a lot of assumption that that's a movie that it's the conclusion of a big trilogy, the first two are nominated. Fjord won the Palm Door. Reasonable to assume that. And then look at the other movies that were on the list that I sent you and it was Behemoth, which seems possible, though not necessarily likely depending on the reception obsession, which is a big box office hits kind of more like in the weapons mold and the invite. - Yeah. - The invite is a movie that could very easily be nudged out if there's a bunch of international films that we haven't heard about coming in the festivals this year, some surprises that emerge late, breaking like the brutalist or something like that might come along that we didn't know was gonna be released. But the invite seems like a very obvious like screenplay and one performance kind of thing, you know? Like you could see like, you know, maybe Olivia or Norton get nominated, a Daked screenplay gets nominated and that's it. Or there's a world where actors love it. Olivia Wilde is like a great ambassador for the film so you could see her doing FYC stuff for eight months and really selling it and she was so great when she came on the show to talk about how she made the movie. And then it's a movie that gets six or seven nominations and then it's like, well, Woody Allen style, you know, thoughtful, fun, entertaining adult movies are back this year too. And so I don't, if you had to guess which direction it goes, like which one do you think it will take? - Right now it seems to me like the invite is a yes, in best picture and I think if it gets best picture, it's because it has, you know, actor support and people like the writing and people are rooting for Olivia Wilde and I do think the next point of like a counter programming that it is a smaller movie in, you know, one well designed location with four people talking, which is very different than most of the other movies that are gonna be on the slate certainly the Odyssey and Prada Tel Mary. So I think probably, I think it's gonna be on the radar and everyone likes it. I haven't met anyone who's like, this sticks. - I agree. - And the problem is there's not enough people have seen it. It hasn't quite done as well as I expected it to. The box office, it next right that it went down a very low number, which boats well it added screens and went down a very low number. And I think it's got really good word of mouth but it's the kind of movie that like, you really don't wanna see show up on VOD in a week. Like you really wanna stay on 2000 screens for four or five weeks to let it kind of keep getting discovered. - But I do also think that it'll play incredibly well on award season, on the screener apps. - You're right. - All of those people are great campaigners and so the people who don't see it now will check it out around voting. I just think it can stay. - Yeah, there's one other thing that I think helps it which is that Olivia Wildeson and Behemoth, Penelope Cruz is in LeBole and Egra. Like they're also just gonna be around a bunch with other movies throughout the season so that benefits it as well. We'll see, I would love it because it's one of my favorite movies of the year. What's the next question, Jack? - Next question is also a combination of multiple questions and this was by far the most asked question. What is your interpretation of Zendaya's role as Athena in the Odyssey? Apologies to the listeners for not including all of your wonderful theories. - Good question and I don't know if we actually specifically dove into this, but there are obviously multiple ways to read what that character represents. One being is she just a manifestation of Odysseus's guilt to regret his kind of angst about the decision that he's made both to leave his family and then also to kind of leave Agamemnon and take this other route and also his decision to participate in war and lead a war. - Right. The other is a more literal interpretation, which is that she's Athena. She's the goddess Athena and she appears to him the way that the goddesses and gods appear to the people who lived at this time in Greece and around the world, if they believe. Because there are no other gods or goddesses in the movie, the former theory is the one that I think most people are accepting as this is my interpretation of what Zendaya represents to the movie. Is there another reading that I'm missing or another way you think about it? - I don't think so. I mean, I think she's the conscience and responsibility for the Odysseus character. And it is, again, start to be like, I reread half of the Odyssey in translation, but one of Emily Wilson's main criticisms was the lack of representation of the gods in the film because they are so present in the poem, but they also, like, they make the decisions. And so it almost becomes, you know, there is a different interpretation of free will and fate in the poem than in Nolan's movie. I enjoy Nolan's interpretation because, again, this is an interpretation and also we are modern audiences. But so I think that instead of, it's deft to use the goddess character who is in the original text, you know, making a lot of things happen to then be the echo and the sort of inner monologue, almost, it's also, you know, it's just, it is a practical way of expressing some of an internal characters' thoughts out loud because he doesn't have anyone else to really talk to, you know, because it's a movie and you gotta say things. But so I thought it was very smart to adjust the character into the person on his shoulder, his running monologue, I think his regrets and also, like in a lot of ways, she is sort of the personification of Zeus's law of the way that you're supposed to live his life. And then that is used so dramatically and beautifully, I think in that final scene where it is her, she's not, we don't actually see her being beheaded, but that it's the Athena statue that you've betrayed this idea, this way of living, this code. - And I think kind of to continue that point, like one other additional component that I see with it is that the gods and goddesses are actually just manifest in humanity. And so they're not these figures sitting on mountains, throwing thunderbolts, but they are the kind of, the stability or the cohesion of society and that like by breaking that law that you're describing, like you're going against humanity in a profound way. And so him seeing her as the innocent woman who was beheaded at this time of war and equating her with Athena, who is, you know, the goddess of multiple things, but wisdom, one of them also strategic warfare. Like so she is sort of like, she is almost literally his conscience in terms of what Odysseus represents to us as a figure in the world. So I thought it was a really, really cool and smart way to do it, you know, Richard Brody the New Yorker critic also criticized the film for removing the gods from the telling of the story. And some people, it reminded me a little bit of something. - I mean, it's very different. - It's very different. It reminded me of our conversation about weathering heights, where I was really hard on that movie so I was like, this is not weathering heights. And you know, to me, I think what it ultimately means is, it's not about the adaptation specifically, it's what you do with it. If you change it and you make a coherent and I can understand why you would make those changes to make it more modern to your point or something else, I think weathering heights is trying to do a similar thing. It's trying to create like a more modern template for sexuality, but that one didn't make sense to me. It didn't work. I didn't really understand why the things that were taken out of that story were taken out. Whereas in this one, I feel like I can really see and understand the logic of it. And I like it. Is there a chance to make a cool movie where Zeus is throwing thunderbolts and Poseidon rises from the sea? Sure. Yeah, it's hard to do. that wealth with CGI. I think it would turn out like Masters of the Universe, but that's okay. You might be right. Yeah. Next question. Next question comes from Justin. Is the Odyssey and the top five of Best Picture winner follow ups? I mean, Coppola did Godfather part two in the conversation in the same year. Two years after the Godfather. Yeah. I don't think that will be topped. That's true. But they're asking top five. So the other ones, the first one that came to my mind was talented, Mr. Ripley, after English patient. Good one. Good one. You've got Shutter Island after the departed. I think neither of those are Martin Scorsese's best films, but that's how the cookie crumbles. Two films I love. Lucas pointed out Lawrence of Arabia, Der Bridge on the River Cry, which is probably that's if anyone is going to upend Coppola. Yes, and I should correct the record. He is the one time. I believe I believe the one time this has happened when a filmmaker went back to back with two films winning Best Picture and Best Director. It was lean for Lawrence of Arabia and Bridge on the River Cry. I don't know. It might be. Yeah. I think we're like a little still a little apprehensive. He'd be like, is this Christmas the best movie? I'd like to see it again before I get start getting comfortable with that. I've got it three right now. Well, I'm not going to Chattanooga any time soon, but if I if I did, I would happily watch the film. I wonder if they are they doing any like programming with it in Chattanooga? I mean, this is a tale of the sea. We are the people. You are the people from the sea. So like do the stingrays like show up? What else is going on? This might be complete hearsay. Like I'm reflecting off of A Tweet. That's not hearsay. I looked it up. It's true. Yes. Well, that's producing. I love that they did that. And it is it's the it's the Tennessee Aquarium because right now Chattanooga. The Chattanooga. Well, yeah, that's the Tennessee. Oh, yeah, there it is. I mean, the first I'm looking at their site. They are also showing BBC Earth Wild Asia Life at Extremes 3D and Ocean Dreams 3D. But then you got the Odyssey and I max and the Coral Sea from the filmmakers who brought you turtle Odyssey. Turtle Odyssey. Yeah. That's about turtles going home. Yeah. Maybe they should be showing that right now. I'm not going to tell the Tennessee Aquarium how to do their job. I feel like they know what they're doing. Yeah. You're getting that Odyssey money. I don't know. We could probably go down the list of every single person. It's one best director and say, well, this movie was better than this movie. That movie was better than that. But this is best picture. Best picture. Yeah. I don't know. I probably have to go back to the 1930s and 40s. Really give it some thought. I mean, you know, if we'd ever seen the real magnificent amberson's after Citizen Kane. Yeah. You know, wait. Citizen Kane didn't win best picture though. So it doesn't work. God damn it. I mean, that's that that's what makes it interesting about best picture is that best picture. The wrong review wins all the time. Yeah. Exactly. That's true. What was Peter Farley's film after Green Book? What was that called? Next question. Combination of multiple questions. Yeah. Tom Holland. Telemachus has been one of the most divisive performances in the Odyssey. Many people wrote and said they really enjoyed the performance. Others found him incredibly miscast. Were any of those people his mom? But performance aside, where does he go from here? How do you see his career playing out over the next decade or so? Hey, chances, man. Well, you've already made four Spider-Man movies, two Avengers movies. You're in the Odyssey. Just go the path of Pattinson. Work with someone who seems exciting to you and isn't a sure thing and has done a smaller movie that is really interesting. Use your cloud for good. That's the story of every great movie star. But do you think he's capable? I mean, that's the thing. Don't go to the path of Pattinson because you have to find your path. Okay. Go the path of Tom Cruise. Yes. That's better. And work with Cameron Crowe and Paul Thomas Anderson. And you can balance it. You can also still work with Ed Zwick. You can still work with crafts people who are really good filmmakers, but are trying to make commercial enterprises and make with audacious filmmakers who have really personal stories to tell. I mean, that's not hard. He's not 14 years old. He's like 30 years old. I know he tried to make a couple of serious movies and they didn't go so well. But I think the filmmakers that he chose to work with are maybe not as elevated as who someone like Pattinson or frankly, the person he should really talk to. And I'm sure he has that length as Matt Damon. Matt Damon is the best at this. Matt Damon takes a lot of chances. He makes a lot of movies. He's made a hundred movies. Some of them work. Some of them don't. He's also made 10 movies that you and I will watch for the rest of our lives. So I don't yell at me. I don't I just like I didn't do it because everybody is so precious about Tom Holland because he's their beautiful little spider man. I'm like, guys, get over it. He's got to make more good movies. That's just a fact. I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at him. I'm mad at him. Straight to camera. Also, this question doesn't have a name on it. Show yourself. Yeah. Is it Tom Holland's mom who asked this question asking for advice on the career of this incredibly successful man who's married to Zendaya? He's going to be fine. Okay, I'm done. He's also really good at golf. Yeah. Yeah. And I attribute to him. A great athlete selling non-alcoholic beer. Is that a fact indeed? It is. Yeah. I'm ready. Sober and sex piece. That's great. Yeah. I applaud that as well. Make a good movie for fuck's sake. Surprise. That really got to you. This next question is great because people who are mad that we criticize a performance, I'm like, he's fine. There's people like that. Yeah. Cause they're like, that's my beautiful spider boy. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I will. We still didn't get my newspaper prop. What? I'm sorry. When did you ask for this? I want a newspaper that I think I says like, I'm mad or Sean's mad so I can hold up the newspaper. You know, and we have in fact put it in the newspaper that Sean is mad. This is an idea you came up with by yourself. I don't know. But I'll have Lucas write it down. We'll get on that. I promise that I theorized this once on on a podcast. I did also briefly think about getting a gabbell for this. Oh, yeah. That's a good idea. No. But no to what? Well, to answer people's questions. Yes. No. No. That's for you. Okay. Okay. Next question comes from Daniel. Hey, big pic gang. Every year, my friends and I host a screening of Dunkirk and get absolutely hammered. We're talking taking shots whenever a plane gets downed, famous people come on the screen and when people actually talk, we also started an annual Conclave screening where we all dressed as Cardinals and elect a new pope. We're looking for inspiration on a new screening to add to the rotation. If you could host an unhinged movie themed watch party or create a movie watching tradition, what would you do? Daniel, where is my invitation? This is a real picture. It didn't happen situation. Like, you're hosting a Conclave party with how many people are there? There's like, we're taking dozens of Cardinals. The Catholics are voting. It's still the favorite, my favorite thing that's happened. No, that was Charles. That's right. That was very funny. I don't know if you can top Conclave party. Yeah. That's really good. That's really funny and elite. And honestly, this is inspiring. This is what our fandom is doing. That's salute to you, Daniel. You're crushing it. You know, I think Babylon is durational and there's a lot of opportunities to get really fucking drunk during it and imagine the costumes. I think there's a lot of opportunity there. So my first instinct was that Tara is to solemn a movie in order to suggest, but you guys are taking shots when planes go down in Dunkirk. So, you know, this is not the most respectful way to honor that. We brought levity to the situation. Listen, Dunkirk number one. So I'm with you, Daniel. Some people sail west to honor fallen soldiers. Some do some do shots. But so, Tara, it seems like you guys could sort of do like a Bradley Cooper Maestro deck, you know, conducting competition. Well, no, no, but but Tara is better off. It's right. Like, everybody comes in their blazers. Everyone does their best. Lydia, Tara. I'm Petra's father. I know you know, you come for selling. You know, you could see that being a moment. What a double feature, right? Double feature. Tara and Maestro. There you go. And Behemoth. Is there a lot of conducting in that? I mean, I saw some because there were no words at the trailer. Well, yeah, the you really mad about this trailer. I did. I did. I made me concerned. I think you're just mad because it's not going to Venice. Okay. No. Next question. Well, I would say one regretting you. Watch that movie. Absolutely blitzed amazing time. You're dreading you. Yes. The 2025 motion picture started. Yes. Colleen Hoover festival. Yes. Is there really good idea? Yeah. Yeah. And then also, you know, I don't know your guys' opinion on this movie, but a classic would obviously be if nobody's ever seen it the room. Where do you stand on the room? I've done it. I guess it was fun. It was fun. Yeah. You know, I had this way through the spoons. I was a part of that. What I like is the ingenuity in this, you know, like the room was not made for that, but then it has become its own rocky horror picture, like thing, which is awesome. Community is important. I literally agree with that. I don't know if you're being ironic, but I actually agree with what you said. I don't know what I do with it too, but also I don't think anyone should ever say the word community in that way. Okay. I mean, it's very like, like, HR email. I got to work this week. I gotta tell you, I do feel that you are in an era of your life where you're really engaged in your community. Like you're really trying to build your community in a really sincere way. Do you mean that online or in the world? In the world. I mean, online sure. Yes, we're always doing that, right? That's kind of a modern condition. But in your life, I feel like you're accumulating new friends and you're like really putting yourself out there. Yeah, I'm living out loud. I'm having children and so I'm going outside. I'm making friends. I'm doing hobbies. Yeah, that's great. You still have it all, Mom. Thank you so much. Nice job. That's so beautiful. So that's important. But what I like about this. I mean, it is being told what she is, which is something that I love to do. Unless I'm told that I'm a Leo. And then it's not all the time when we read the AI description of Leo season. It's Leo season. This is a Leo podcast. We are both Leo's, which is the least surprising news to ever be announced for like the 50th time on this podcast. We're Leo's. So are Ben and Sandy, our patron saints over there. Ben August birthday. Ben Affleck. Yeah. He's a later Leo. I think. What does that mean? Transitively. Other other qualities. I have to look into it because I'm August one. So that my interest ends. Do you want to read the description? No, you have it. I'm googling Ben Affleck's birthday to make sure. Oh, he's the 15th. Interesting. Of August. Late in the game. Yeah. Leo's are born between July 23rd, July 22nd and August 22nd. They are bold, charismatic and big-hearted fire signs of the zodiac. We sure are. Ruled by the sun. They are natural-born leaders who love the spotlight. They are known for being incredibly generous, loyal and creative, but can sometimes struggle with being stubborn or attention-seeking. Yeah. Also. Who does that sound like? We read this to Jack because Jack does not know about the Leo's. I think that that's good. Yeah, Jack's a Scorpio. And you shouldn't know too much about zodiac signs that are not your own, but we did read it to him. And then he said, oh, that does actually sound exactly like you guys. And we were both saying that we have both been told our whole lives that we are deeply Leo. Just like to add in here a little sprinkle of excitement. Not only is it Leo's season, but this is Leo's emerald year. And this is this is for Chris Ryan. This is Mickey mocked us in the van and Toronto, but now I'm giving him the information. So Jupiter is in one of our houses or something and this means, sorry, Susan Miller's website has a lot of ads. So it's the good fortune planet and it entered Leo for the first time in 12 years. So we will increasingly find ourselves at the right place at the right time. Okay. Is that place the screening of Spider-Man brand new day on Monday? I hope so. I forgot about that. Is that at the. I'll be there. Which one is it? Which theater? I'll tell you off my. Okay. Great. You said the people can come. Whatever. The deck is firmly stacked in our favor, Chris Ryan, who is also a Scorpio like Jack. So make the coming period even more special, vow not to take a passive role, but an active one fueled by your my vision of all we hope to accomplish both personally and professionally. This is my active vow right here in minute 80 million of this podcast. I'm going to make this Leo season and this Emerald year work for me. That's inspiring. You do whatever you want, but not honestly until August because the moon is somewhere else right now. I kind of checked out like five minutes ago. How crazy for Scorpios, you Jack Sanders, my wife and Chris Ryan on Scorpios. There's three favorite people on the world. Three essential people to my existence. That's fascinating. And then obviously my twin over here. Just amazing. Okay. What's next? Next question comes from James. Because this is the summer movie male back he asks, what will be the best movie of the summer? And he noted and why will it be Tony? Man, I love Tony. Um, I know you haven't seen Tony yet. Uh, we'll be talking about Tony on the show. I don't know if it's the best movie of the summer. It's pretty up there for me that Matt Johnson's new movie portrait of Anthony Bourdain at a very young age. It's kind of a, uh, kind of shrunk down a long period of time in his life into a very short summer. Um, so yeah, we'll get into that then. I don't know. I mean, the invite, the Odyssey. Yeah. It's been good. It's been good. We're going to talk on Monday. We'll talk about a bunch of movies that we missed over the summer. I don't know if many of those movies will make the best movies of the summer list. Yeah. I'm thinking through. And most of them are poor to quite poor. Yes. Uh, we'll also go through the summer movie, game and figure out, I think we got some stuff wrong. Okay. You feel good about that? Was it us or was it Hollywood? Good point. Wait, turn it back on that. Thank you. It's Leo. It's never a problem. I don't know. Jack, what's the best movie of the summer? Uh, teenage sex and death. I can't buy asthma. Oh, right. That's coming out too. That's also a really great movie. We'll also talk about that movie on this podcast. Yeah. August has got some heaters. I saw another movie that's coming out in August that I'm not allowed to talk about that. I also really liked it. So is it the one that I'm excited about? Yeah. I'd like to see that. Yeah. But I will be on vacation. That's fine. We'll see it at some point. So yeah, Augustus will be sneaky. Good. Um, I do think, obviously he's going to have to hold down the fort for the next two weeks though. What's the next question? Next question comes from Mike. It's been a big year for Mr. Fantasy. And I've got to know what's his fuck Mary Kill between going to the Cannes Film Festival, interviewing Steven Spielberg and the New York Knicks winning the NBA championship. I mean, we all know he's going to kill Cannes. He is going to kill Cannes. Now under different circumstances, I wouldn't kill Cannes because Cannes, we just had better lineups. You know? We just didn't get a great lineup. No, it's not about that. It's that between interviewing Spielberg and, yeah, winning the NBA championship, like you don't care about Cannes. And that's fine. It's in third place. I wouldn't kill any of these things. I'd like to go back to the Cannes Film Festival at some point in my life. I know you'd like to go back in 10 months. I don't know. I think it's probably fuck Spielberg and marry the Knicks because I'm in a long-term relationship with the Knicks. Okay. And you're not. And I just met Steven Spielberg. Okay. Okay. You're saying it's probably fuck Spielberg. Is there a better way to answer that question? I knew. Is there a way to tell me? What do you think? Well, in terms of, you know, immediate joy versus lasting, I mean, the Knicks Championship, will that euphoria last a lifetime? Cannot last a lifetime? That's sort of like the end of romantic comedy. You don't want to know. I think you're describing marriage. Well, no, that's why you should, you should fuck it and then you can. No. No, the opposite. All right. You know, marriage is wonderful. I love being married. But you know, it's a parabola of experiences. Right. It goes up and down. The Knicks will go down and go back up again. I'll never go back to the moment. Any of the moments hanging out with Steven Spielberg, that was truly magical. Okay. That was very, very special. But you know what? You got to be careful trying to recreate a one-night stand. Dangerous stuff. Make it for me, it's a 43-year-old marriage. That's good to catch. I was just like, I'm not, I'm actually not moving on. I had the same thought. The next question comes from David. So we just did a Sean FMK. This one's for Amanda. Yeah. Amanda, if at the beginning of your marriage, you and Zach discuss taking a cruise. Okay. Well, but then your husband gets lost at sea for 10 years, comes back with an open-air boat with no privacy and says, "Let's sail west." Are you sailing west with him? Okay. These are great questions. So I'm just going to say right now, for my purposes, the cruise at the beginning is a big red flag. You know? Like that's an issue. I, like I would like to go on a yacht and can at some point, but then I want to get back off the yacht. I don't want to be stuck on it at sea, even with like the giant yachts or whatever. You know, I like the land. I like being able to move around. You haven't been on a cruise before, right? I have. You have. Ben on a cruise. What was it? Well, you've heard the story about the ex-boyfriend. Oh, yeah. And I had to go on the cruise with his family, and then we were dating for another year. And then we missed the boat or almost missed the boat and he was like, "Let's sail west with all your ex-boyfriends." Okay. So the cruise there was a sign. To answer the second part of your question, and I would pose this to you as well. I think this would be an interesting talking off point. Okay. Um, I would be, I don't know if I would let Zach go to the Trojan War. I would be so fucking pissed as a, like a leader in an Odysseus-type role or as a grunt, like, does it matter? Even as an Odysseus-type guy, like the- You guys have moved to Canada. What would be the move there? I would just be like, no, you can't just go do random shit and, like, not come back. That's not what I agreed to. That's not how this is. That's actually the exact style of English that Nolan used in his script, interestingly. No, you can't just go do shit. Um, I don't think you'd have much say. I think honor was an incredible, Zeus's law was an incredible component here. You know, if you're sort of fealty to Agamemnon, that might supersede, "Hey, my wife said I can't." Right? I mean, sure, but I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that I was back in ancient Greece. True. You know? True. What kind of cruise would you consider? Well, I was going to talk about first. and this is like when, in First Man, is she Janet Armstrong? Did I just make that up? - That's right, yeah. - One of Mrs. Armstrong. - Yeah, Ms. please. - Janet, yeah. - It's just really fucking pissed at him. She's like, "Why the fuck do you have to go to the moon? "What's wrong with you? "We have problems down here." - Yeah. - Which, and like she's right, and that's a great movie. - Her name was Janet. - Yeah, oh, sick pull from me. - Well done. - Also, First Man at Lalloland didn't win Best Picture, but famously, but that's, First Man's the follow-up - Yeah, Neil and Janet got divorced just FYI. (laughing) - Yeah, but that's because he went to the moon anyway. - Yeah, a bunch of boys. - Because he was like, "I'm not gonna, you know, "and then they like staring each other through the glass." - Yeah, we gotta go back to First Man. - It's great. - What a film. - Anyway. - God damn it. - So, the opening-- - She's the first man at one of our screenings. That would be great. - Yeah, they'll never pick it. It's first, it's a bigger splash, and then it's First Man, you know? - Yeah, bigger splash. Bigger splash is a new money ball. - I know. - It's tough. - That's what it's-- - I know, you were right about that. - What a great summer movie. - It is. We're talking about something nobody understands. - So he, we wouldn't even need to get to the point where as an open airboat boat with no privacy, and let's sail west, because I would already be pissed about the 10 years away. I agree that I have some questions about where they're sleeping on the open airboat. But again, I don't really want to go on a cruise. - It's a very odd question that someone's asked you. I really like the people who are spending their time thinking about what you and your husband would do in the event that you went on a cruise. - Well, I think it's a question about how the Odyssey is a portrait of awe marriage, but not a moderate marriage. - Fair point. Okay, what's the next question? - This next question is fun. It comes from Danis from New Zealand. With Dune Messiah and Avengers Dunes, they currently slated to open on the same day. Is this the closest movies have come to recreating the Kanye West versus 50 cent graduation Curtis Showdown? Back then, the conventional wisdom was that 50 was the bigger commercial force, but Kanye won both the sales battle and the cultural argument making a shift in what mainstream audiences wanted. Could Dune win or is Marvel still too much of a cultural jug or not? - I don't think Dune can win. It just from a purely box office perspective. The Dune movies are not nearly as big as the Avengers movies. And so I think if that's-- - It will win our hearts. - If that's the way to think about it, I don't think that's gonna work out from a prestige awards metacritic score perspective. Almost certainly, Dune Part 3 is gonna do better. And look, I think you can just bank on this. Critics are gonna have their knives out for Dune's day. It's a blood in the water moment. A bunch of Marvel movies haven't worked consecutively. Nobody has to worry about being like, oh wow, what an achievement that they told this story over 10 years, all that stuff's over. So in that respect, the movie's almost certainly not gonna be received as well. But I think the Avengers movie's gonna make a billion dollars as I just think it's gonna be massive. But comparing it to the Kanye and 50 experience is really interesting. I mean, I was in the thick of covering this at vibe when this was happening. This was like the biggest deal in the universe if you were covering music. And we didn't necessarily know it at the time, but right before Kanye was more critically acclaimed, but 50 was on top commercially. At that point, Kanye had only put out two records. And Hurtis was like when it became clear that it was over for 50. - Yeah, I'm looking at the track list right now. There's not a classic. - No, James, you know, it's not a terrible album, but it is officially the fall off for 50 as a musician. And so I don't know if you could really compare them in that way either. Like is this Denis Villeneuve elevating? You know, has he not yet made my dark twist of fantasy? - Right, right, right. - Has he not yet made the A-Waytes and Harp rate? You know, I don't know. And likewise, is Marvel really gonna be starring on power in like a few years on stars? Like, you know, in terms of just following 50's trajectory, it's a really interesting comparison. There have been other days like this in the movies that I thought of almost immediately when I saw this question though. Like the funniest one since the show has been around was when Venom and the Stars came out on the same day, which I think was, was it October 5th, 2018? I think that's what the day was, something like that. Which, that was actually when the show, I was like, I know exactly what this podcast is. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like this is both, these two things, this is everything. You know, like big glossy, starry Hollywood remake with the actors we love, Gaga, and then Tom Hardy jumping in a tank in a restaurant to play with lots of stars. Like this is cinema to me. But before that, I think we've talked about the dark night of Mama Mia on the same day, right? Maybe when we talked about Mama Mia on the pod, did we talk about the fact that they came out on the same day? - I don't remember what we talked about. - And two smash hits. - Yeah, have you seen Mama Mia too yet? - Not yet. I do own it on 4K. - Oh, congratulations. - Yeah. - Watch it at some point, not yet. Toy Story and Casino opened on the same day. - Okay. - Who's 50 and who's Kanye and the Toy Story Casino showdown? - Well, I can't say that Casino is 50 because many, many listeners were so mad that we didn't put Casino in the Scorsese Hall of Fame. - Did we not, I don't remember that. - I think we ultimately didn't. And that was probably me. And then the men were mad. Casino's good. - It's fantastic. I love it. - Okay. - I think this is right. Ghostbusters and Gremlins opened on the same day. And they're, this is the closest I could come to figuring out, Dune Avengers. Where I'm like, these movies are aimed at the exact same audience. They're the exact same kind of movie. Fun, scary comedy. Just weird that that would happen. I think that's right. And then Scarface in terms of endearment also came out on the same day in 1983. - I think Moonstruck and Broadcast News came out on the same day, speaking of-- - Another crazy movie. - Another very specific audience. - Same audiences. - And also two masterpieces. - Hmm. It's interesting when that happens. - Same weekend at least. - Yeah, this sort of stuff happens more frequently now when you've got a bunch of movies all coming out on like Christmas day. But the historical comms are interesting. I don't know. No one, I still like 50 cents music, not free to say it. - When just a little bit came on at French Pilates with like five minutes to go. - Wow. - I was like, I have ascended into heaven. - Wow. - This is my life. - That's when you're a champ. - This is your life. I mean, but do you expect to hear 50 cents like at French Pilates when the woman is like, a la la fee, you know, one more lunch. - In Paris this happened? - Yeah. - Wow, that's great for you. - I know. - That's almost for you's by Scott Storch. - I was-- - You remember the Scott Storch era? - Yeah. - Pretty cool. The massacre by 50 cents, you own that, Jack? - I do not. Have you heard it? - I have. I do not own any physical music. - Because you feel all music should be free? - I bought a couple record players and net, or I bought a couple of records and never bought a record player. And once that happened, I was like, I need to ban myself from doing this. - Okay. We gotta just a little bit drop from Canada. That's incredible. Let's do two more questions. - Thank you. Thank you to Paris Pilates. - Thank you. - This next question I believe comes from Alice there. Alice, alright, I apologize if I'm mispronouncing. How would the Odyssey have gone different? If Odysseus's crew were minions, would his journey have gone better or worse? - I think it would have been more lighthearted, you know, which then I don't know whether he would come to the same conclusions about his role in the, you know, moral universe. Though the minions, the arc of the minions universe does bend towards justice. And they do ultimately, yeah, they learn that they want to be a force for good, not evil, or they kind of get tricked into being a force for good rather than evil. Usually by various accidents where they go splat and you laugh a lot, love the minions. I think honestly the minions and Cersei would be a very funny sequence that I would enjoy. Give me some, like, that'd be great. - That's a great idea. - It's not like, there's a lot of comedy here. The minions going one by one into Corriptus, you know, that's where we're all like, wow, listen, I'm like, I'm available for ideas. - Would you use the big picture to go work for illumination? - No. Well, in understab. - Well. (laughing) - He's like, oh. - I'd listen, I'd love to do some partnerships. You know, no one asks. - Okay. - Good to know. - Me to Alipa and the minions. A magical thing's element. - Well, how did Alipa get involved in this? - Because Piercophan did an interview with Reese, guy with the movie camera. - Oh yeah. - And he talks about how he uses to do Alipa songs. Like, do Alipa is part of minionese. - Oh, I see. - I see it. - I see it out. - I see. - Yeah. - Got it. - Okay. - You got your own thing going on. (laughing) Living in this, we have a different algorithm. We can actually do two more now. - Okay, next question comes from here. Hey, Sean and Amanda. I've been a big fan since 2020. Thanks so much for what you do. Letterbox going on sale worries me. They have quietly become one of the few independent qualitative data sets that can help fill some of the information gap that exists in our post streaming world. Are either of you worried about what a letterbox sale would mean for the industry? Or do you think I put too much importance on what the app has become? - Just want to point something out about me here's question that I found interesting. 'Cause it's not the same concern that I've heard from other people about this. He's saying it's a qualitative data set. And it's an information gap filler, and that's how he values it, which is interesting because there was a piece that a person named Stephen Fellows wrote on Substack this week that I shared about the numbers really really interesting dive into what's happened to the website the numbers, which is a box office tracking website that you and I have both used many times over the years that has been very helpful to me for coming up with show ideas and organizing stuff for episodes and it was an independently owned and operated website and it has been scraped aggressively by AI bots over recent years and it is kind of like threatening to pull the site down from within with all the scraping that it's doing and so they're rebuilding the site and they hope to relaunch the site I encourage you all to check out this piece. But to me, this question that me here is asking kind of recalls that that it's almost like he thinks of or she thinks of this letterbox says like a utility, you know, like a space full of information as opposed to the relationship that some other people have to it, which is like it's a community space, it's a space to get connected or it's a recommendation engine or it's a place to get jokes off or whatever you think of letterbox, which of course I love and have been using also since 2020. Um, my reaction to the news about the sale is I just hope that they sell it to somebody who knows how great it is and preserves what's special about it and helps to make it even greater and anybody who has a terrible idea of what it is and wants to ruin it. I hope doesn't participate in the acquisition. That's it's really not more complicated than that. I think what do you think about the idea of a movie studio trying to buy it? Don't feel great about it because even the most well-intentioned executives at movie studios, many of whom like really love movies and want to do stuff, we give them a hard time on this podcast because we give all executives a hard time. But like these are a lot of people who like movies, but if you own it and pay a lot of money for it, then you can't not turn it into a financial tool for you, which would then mean that it is a tool at the expense of the other movies. And I think what is wonderful about letterbox is that it is like the gathering place, whether you're coming to it for data or whether you're coming to it for reviews or to get like a truly unfiltered, non-rotten tomatoes, nonsense, check on what people who care about movies actually think about movies. It's incredibly valuable. And if it only speaks to a certain sliver of the movies or if a studio is putting some sort of pressure on it, even benevolent pressure, I think, it compromises it. And people will be able to tell, right? And people are always very skeptical about corporate acquisitions. We've been more witness to a corporate acquisition in our careers. It's a very complicated thing. I think one thing I've always loved about letterbox is that it does have a kind of homemade analog feel. Even though it's a pretty slick app, it just, it doesn't feel overly complicated and noisy. And so that's another thing that, you know, in an effort to escalate whatever it will become over time, you still want it to have that, like pop in, open the app, log the movie, bounce out. It's intuitive and it feels very separate from the Silicon Valley, grow, grow, algorithm, notification, you know, everything because it's, it just is its own world. It's not trying desperately to like create some, you know, conquer all the other universes. And it did that very organically. So I think I would also worry about like a giant Silicon Valley purchase for the same reason. I mean, we come to this in all roads of life in capitalism anyway, where it's just like, you're just hoping for the most like benevolent money possible. And most of the times the money is in benevolent. But I'm hopeful that there is someone who just has a lot of cash and gets it. Same, the same applies for the three of us. What's next? This next question comes from Bobby. And I don't think Wagner unless he has not kept me posted on some serious life updates. You know, we heard from Wax this week, somebody it is, Bobby. My wife is currently pregnant with her first child. Bob, if you didn't lead with that, I'm hopefully that's not Wax. Because I need that would have needed to know that not on Mike. And we recently learned that it will be a girl. What would you consider to be the classics of girl, dad, cinema and perhaps some underrated or lesser known films in the genre? I wrote down a bunch of movies off the top of my head this morning. Let's plug Adam Neiman's book right now before anything Adam Neiman is writing an entire book centered around this subject and examination of this subject, probably both in a, in a slightly skeptical, you know, and academically rigorous way. It's called Dr. Theory, which is really smart. So pre-order that when that's available, Adam sent us that pre-order link and also congratulations to Bobby. This Bobby. Whoever he is. Yeah. And his wife who I hope is feeling well. I can't recommend something more than having a daughter. I can, you know, it's like it's, check out Paul Thomas Anderson movies, have a daughter. Like that's it. That's the, those are my two recommendations to all people. You know, as I was making a list of movies and, and when Adam's book is published, I'm sure we'll do an entire girl, dad, movie episode and we can talk about all the things the films that he sees as fitting the bill. But most of, many of the movies I wrote down are your movies, movies that you love. Yeah. Because, you know what, I've been the daughter of a father my whole life. There it is. And do you think that's why those, these movies speak to you? I'm sure there's part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think some of it is also that they don't make that many mom, daughter movies. So in terms of. So in terms of parenting movie, like movies about dealing with a parent. This is the, this is the relationship that's been explored. Yeah. That is interesting. Yeah. There is something special about the relationship. I don't know what it is, but I'm living through it. Off the top of my head. Yeah. I mean, number one is just absolutely stolen valor. You know, first of all, now somewhere my Sophia Coppola, you've been out here. of all. Ramahoney has taken it from me in just the one taken from you. But also this is a collective project. Even when he took it from me, you're like, it's fine. Yeah, but it's a girl dad movie. I mean, it is. It's a beautiful movie. It's very very much in the in the exact story in it. So, if you're a couple, of course, the product of a girl dad relationship. Um, trap. Yeah. Trap. What happened? We were right. There was another question we didn't get to about like, what movies are going to be reclaimed? Trap. But we don't need to reclaim it because we were there. We were there. Uh, Logan. The Wolverine movie. Yeah. I've seen that. I saw that at the Regal Paseo when it was in our flight with Phoebe Riley. Wouldn't you say that that's a girl dad movie? I literally, but figuratively. So he's 23. Oh, sure. The young girl. Yeah, definitely keen. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Great. Liam Neeson's taken. Sure. It's canonical text. Yeah. I mean, one battle after another, of course, last year grabbed the belt. Yeah. I thought of clueless. That's nice. I mean, she has a dad. I love their relationship in that movie. It is very funny. Yeah. And I feel like she really gets what's special about her daughter. He really gets. Dan today's character really gets. He like, he's yelling at her sometimes, but like, he knows that she's, she's got the juice everywhere in LA. It takes 20 minutes. That's right. Uh, I mean, father of the bride, of course. I mean, this is, this is the one forever and ever. This is just, you seen it recently. I haven't just absolutely magical movie. Did we do Nancy Myers before the Nancy Myers episode before Alice was born? Because that was the last time I watched it. Don't remember because October 9th, 2020. Yes, we did. Okay. I'll get back to it. Um, to kill a mockingbird. Sure. Atticus and scout. Yeah. Okay. Poor things. Who's, oh, sure. More of like Girl Frankenstein, you know, but that is that's a, that's a, that's a dad thing. Yeah. Well, before that's dad. Let's, sure. Have you seen the nice guys recently? Did you see that CR just did a conversation with Shane Black about the nice guys? I did. I have not, I guess I've watched it in the last 10 years. Gosling plays a wonderful girl dad in the movie. Yeah. His young daughter is, she's trying to find a killer and trying to save her. Um, you know, after Sun is the one that most people will point to, I also thought of we live in time, which is a movie that affected me greatly. Um, after Sun I like, but don't love, I think you're the same for you. Um, but we've been told we are canonical monsters for feeling that way. Okay. So we live in time. I just, it's too, it's too raw. And it came out right when I was born. And it's a very simple, perhaps sentimental movie that I thought was very effective. Yeah. And got me no, um, sentimental value. An incredible girl that movie. Complicated one. Yeah. How do you feel about the descendants? I'm sure we've talked about it before. It's been a while since we had reason to discuss Clooney. Haven't seen it in several years. I remember liking it at the time. Me too. I probably rewatched it for the holdovers. I almost said the hangover. Okay. Different experience. Um, or is it, or was it, uh, arrested development as a theme? It's, you know, it's traditionally understood to be like the, the best that Clooney's ever been besides Michael Clayton. It is. And it, and he is good. I haven't seen it in forever. I didn't rewatch it for any of those episodes. I didn't rewatch for the Clooney Hall of Fame. I didn't rewatch it for holdover, for holdovers. I didn't rewatch it for any of that. I should revisit it. I remember liking it as well. Shanley and Woodley, I feel like that was for a big breakthrough. Yeah. Um, I don't know. You'll throw out one. Money ball. Oh, yeah. Of course. Of course. I'm sure there's a million more. We're just, we're just, Social reckoning. You know, Aaron Sorkin's gonna get it in there somewhere. Wow. I don't know whether Mark Zuckerberg has any daughters. I Don't know whether he identifies as a girl dad Should we get him on the show? Yeah, from feed me to the big picture. Would you be interested? That would that'll go really well. Would you be interested in him doing a live rebuttals to the social reckoning? No He has he has an entire platform available. What is it? What's it called? Do you use use meta products? Yeah, you do I do. Yeah, even though they're like they're breaking a lot more easily these days Do you have like the headset? No, I just used Instagram I tried it when it was the Apple whatever. Yeah, the Vision Pro. Yeah, I didn't really take off. No, it was really heavy. I kind of enjoyed it I didn't like it very much. I that was also I think I was pregnant and nauseous and then it was just like Yeah, you know, not as bad as going to 40x while pregnant, which is also I think that I did that was actually bad idea Sad on the floor. Should we go to 40x again? My back is healed. Well, I'm curious about 40x the Odyssey I've seen some clips. It looks too intense for me. Okay. I Think I want to do it. Do you want to do a 40x Odyssey? You're actual birthday Yeah, like on hungover. No, I don't think hungover that you should go. So I'm I'm looking into some probiotics for the party that you take before drinking probiotics. Yeah. I don't know what those are. Yeah. Well, I think it's called Is that something people do know? Yes before consuming alcohol. They take probiotics. What does that do? I trusted friend. She said that it helps at least with the hangover I don't know whether she wants to be like I don't know whether she wants me to like give away her you know pull quotes for free on this Podcasts. I don't know that she wants to be credited with it, but I was good. Yeah. I'm gonna try it. What does the probiotic do? A probiotic works with your gut. Right. I get that. But what is it accomplished before drinking? Like it makes you less hungover? Yes, that's the point. I don't know whether it works yet, but I'm willing to think over more about dehydration and not about your stomach. I don't maybe it's affecting how your body absorbs the alcohol or how your body processes the alcohol. I don't know. What if I don't get drunk on my birthday? Listen, it's your birthday, you know. Not like to be in control. I've heard that. Okay, this was good. Jackie, feel good about this. This was honestly one of my favorite male bags in recent memories. Okay. Good. Great. Me too. Thanks to the listeners. Leo sees this here. Yeah. Thank you for the great question. 600 questions. That's really kind of everybody. Thanks to Jack Sanders. Thanks to Lucas Kavanaugh for going through those questions, helping us out. As I mentioned, we're going through 10 movies we missed. Well, there'd be anything else fun happening on Monday in the news. Like, what do you think someone will someone die? Will someone get married? That's fun. Someone be born someone dying. No, that's not fun. Okay. It's notable. I pull strings to get Jimmathy on the show. Wow, Jimmathy third chair. Could you imagine? Why was the last time? Well, I guess you don't you only get a rabies shot if you're bit by wildlife, right? So we should need to have that. We need to have that on hand. Yeah, let's get you bit this weekend. That sounds perfect. All right, we'll see you next week.