The Strategy Satan is Using to DESTROY Our Christian Nation | Live Free with Josh Howerton

If you were Satan, waging spiritual warfare at a nationalized level, this is how you would destroy a largely Christian nation. Well, hey, a live free nation. Before we jump into the episode, this podcast is recorded right here at Lake Point Church in Dallas, Texas. But the live free nation is spread all over the country and all around the world. So if you've been watching and thinking, man, I wish I could be part of something like this. We want to invite you to take a simple next step and that is join us for church online. Every weekend, we stream our services live on YouTube, Facebook and our church online platform. And it's more than just watching a service. There are live hosts in the chat. Prayer teams ready to stand with you and people all around the world worshiping together in real time. And so whether you're exploring the faith coming back to church or just looking for a place to start, church online is a great way to jump in and experience what God is doing here at Lake Point. We would love to see you in the chat this weekend and now enjoy the podcast. All right, we don't even know if we're going to air this. All right, so this is I wanted to get to this the first part of the episode. I'm going to worry right now. This is a little spicy. I'm going to I'm going to preface this for all of our listeners. Carlos and Paul's names are not on what I'm about to say. Okay, I don't want you to get pinned on this. So it's really interesting. Honestly, prepping for the episode, there's largely on spiritual warfare. Dude, I'll be honest, people typically think about individualized spiritual warfare. What you see in the scriptures, by the way, especially if you start getting into hyzer stuff about, hey, man, God has determined times and seasons, nations. You have, I'm actually going to look at this real quick. It's Genesis 11. It's not the only passage to talk about the Tower of Babel. Due to our anime 32, I'm going to read this real quick. So here's what I'm going to do and we may never air this because it might be too un-PC on a lot of say. So I want to talk about what it would look like for spiritual warfare not to just happen at an individualized level, but at a national and societal level. And I want to give a theory. I want to give a theory. So, and here's what I'm doing this. I'm going to, so there's a bunch of things that I think people a lot of times, they're like, they see it and they're like, well, that's bad. Hey, that didn't look real good. That didn't look real good. What I don't think people realize is how the stuff fits together. Okay, so I'm going to show a few videos that are a low mind blowing, but what I want to do is connect some dots, potentially, potentially connect some dots. Now, just for fun, I'm going to do the hyzer little, let me do this. So this is due to our only 32. So due to our anime 32 is commenting in retrospect about what happens at the tower of Babel. Okay, this is the theory. So it says this, "When the most high gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind." That's what happens at Tower of Babel. "Divide people into different nations, confuse the languages." That is really the genesis theory on the origin of nations and languages and people groups by and large. Okay, so it's coming on this. He fixed the borders of the peoples according to the, according, now here's where you get into hyzer. According to the number of the sons of God. And I'm pretty sure the Hebrew there is is Elohim. See, this is, it's where it depends because there's some, like they've got mafrogate witches witch, so forgive me, I don't know, on the other side of my head. You've got masoretic texts, then you've got Septuagint. Some would say the sons of God, Elohim. That's right. Others would say the sons of Israel. That's right. And that's where the debate is. Under real quick, two problems with, if you say sons of Israel, here's the problem. Israel didn't exist. Exactly. So number one, Israel didn't exist. Number two, when I was reading about this, the Dead Sea Scrolls. Yes, that was it. Yeah, in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Dead Sea Scrolls has sons of God, and that's the earlier text. Yes, that's, yeah. Which is why, by the way, we're bubble-nerding out for a second here. That's why, by the way, the ESV, last time I checked, the ESV chooses sons of God. What's the first? Due to around May 32, 8 and 9, check it out real quick. Now, here's why that's interesting. Now, we're not saying this. They do. This is, they do? Okay, ESV, sons of God. So Elohim. So Eam in Hebrew for our listeners who were not subjected to two years of Hebrew, like I was in college, that's the only, that was the only sea I got in college was Hebrew. Eam is like an S suffix in English, so how do you make something plural in English? You put a S. How do you make something plural in Hebrew? You put Eam. So, Elohim, sons of God, it's talking about spiritual beings. So now, me and Paul on Carlos, we're not saying this. But what Heiser does is he implies that it is a possibility that what you have for the rest of the Old Testament is man, you really have this concept of essentially territorial spirits, which is why is it Daniel 8, 9 and 10 when it talks about the Prince of Persia? I think I, yeah, let me look it up for you. Now, this is all tinfoil stuff, like I'm not going to put this in a sermon. This is like a bunch of guys sitting around drinking bourbon and talking about the Bible. And you're like, what if that's kind of what you got here? I always say this, I've never been drunk in my life with not talking about drinking to excess all the caveats. But that's the theory is that you may have that, that God is the God of Israel and the Old Testament, that most of the other nations were really largely overseen by demonic spirits. And it goes back to Deuteronomy 32, understanding of what happened to the Tower of Babel. What do you say? Yeah. So, verse 8, in the standard masoretic text, the traditional Hebrew Bible, used for most translations, it is not the word Elohim. But in older manuscripts, in verse 8, for like the Dead Sea Scrolls, that is the word Elohim. It's the masoretic verses the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Dead Sea Scrolls obviously are the older texts. The other problem with going to sons of Israel, we already mentioned it. Israel doesn't exist in Deuteronomy 32. So, it's hard to say, you see what they're doing there, okay. All right, now, well, we actually want to talk about it. That isn't intentionally nothing to do with this. It's fun. I can tell Carlos and Paul are like 5% nervous. It makes it even more fun to do this right now. Because they have no idea what I'm going to say. I'm excited. This is fun for me. So, this is what I will say. If you wanted to ask the question, how would Satan wage spiritual warfare not just at an individual level on a person, but a societal level on a nation? Let me connect some dots for how that might possibly happen. Now, when I start to say some of this stuff, you may go, what the heck does I have to do with it? Just wait until the end. And I'm going to have to show two quick, maybe three quick videos. So, this begins to make sense, okay. So, here's what you might do. This is the one where you go. What are you talking about Josh? What's I got to do with anything? And then it'll make sense maybe in two minutes. So, first of all, you might begin with in 1935, beginning the American welfare state. And you might not understand how this can connect. It's going to make sense here in a second. So, a lot of people don't know this. Before 1935, I kind of checked this out right before I made sure I wasn't just shooting from the airport. Before 1935, there was no such thing as federal welfare. So, if you were just a normal, you Scotland or Ireland, where's your family from? Yes. Okay, I'm half and half. I think Howardins are English and Scott, I can't remember. Counting him for sure. The Cunningham is Scottish. Wait, there's a castle Cunningham there. That's right. Okay. But before 1935, if you're just a random Scottish immigrant below poverty level, the federal government gives you nothing. It was really, federal government really worked off the principle of, "Man, if you won't work, you can't eat." Now, this is not to say that there's something necessarily biblically wrong with a thin social safety net. But this is what I'm driving at. This can make sense here in a second. It's the thing that people always do. Is they convince the role of the individual, they confuse the role of the individual, the role of the state. Okay. Jesus commanded people and churches to care for the poor. Okay. He did not command governments to forcibly redistribute people's wealth at gunpoint and call that generosity. So that's when Christians say generosity, they mean using their own resources to help people in need. A lot of times when progressive people use the word generosity, they mean vote for someone else to use the government to forcibly redistribute wealth at gunpoint against other people's will. So in 1935, what you have is you have the creation of the US welfare state. That's the first time in American history, somebody can just go, "Hey, man, I'm below a certain income level and there's a federal hand out there." Okay. Now, you may be going, "What's that got to do with anything?" Okay. What a lot of people do when it comes to immigration debates right now in America that are very emotional is they'll point at the Statue of Liberty. And the day, man, what's to say right up there? Literally, we founded this whole thing, 17, whatever on, give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, desiring to be free. Yeah, but remember, that was before there was any welfare state. So before 1935, when it was like, "Hey, man, you know, this is a land of opportunity, any immigrants come in," it was a welcome. After 1935, what an open border became was a command for the citizens of the United States to fund the lives of anybody who gets here because you have the creation of the welfare state. So step one, 1935 creation of the American welfare state. Number two, then you go to mass mic. Okay, so now there's two things here, and I'm not an expert on this. I'm just, I'm starting to read what I can pre 1965 in 1965 you had something called it's the heart seller act. Are you familiar with this? It's been a long time. Yeah, I know the name heart sellers really interesting. So before 1965 and I'm you know I think I know what I think about this, but I got to think about it before 1965 basically is the before 1965 how the United States chose Where immigrants would come from what they did it was based on a quota system that was based on the national That was based on the national share of the American populations Countries of origin based on the most recent census. So basically before 1965 was like oh man. We got 13% Irish people and 27% Italian people and And they based the immigration on those percentages from the census now From what I understand the thinking was hey, man. We need to preserve Shared values in the nation Because you know if you just import large competing values a nation divided against itself cannot stand like we got Bob Overs' for that Okay, so now what you got is you got welfare state. Then you have the incentivization of mass migration Okay, so I'll check this out that like this will blow your mind if you if you if you have not necessarily been paying attention And you don't know how significantly American governing perspective on how to approach immigration has shifted if you're not aware of this What I'm getting ready to show you is a video of Barack Obama Explaining his immigration policy in 2008. It will sound a little familiar. Okay, so this is Barack Obama 2008 This administration the Bush administration has done nothing to control the problem that we had We've had five million undocumented workers come over the borders Since George Bush took office it has become an extraordinary problem and The reason the American people are concerned is because they are seeing their own economic position slip away and Oftentimes employers are exploiting these undocumented workers. They're not paying the minimum wage They're not observing worker safety laws as president I will make sure that we finally have the kind of border security that we need that's step number one step number two is to take on employers Right now they an employer has more of a chance of getting hit by lightning than Be prosecuted for Hiring an undocumented worker that has to change they have to be held accountable Start shedding some light on the problem and we can once again be a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants That's what I intended to do as president of the United States bro Barack Obama That like that's Trump's Policy, did he just copy and paste the speech like, you know, I know dude. I know dude. Okay, so it's like clearly something shifted Yeah, clearly something shifted all along the way now again If you start to go man once you create The modern welfare state and now you're financially incentivizing anyone from anywhere to get here because if they get here Then there's a mandate on the United States to fund at least A baseline lifestyle. Okay. Well, that's how you get things like this What you're getting ready to see is this is happening in Spain right now like you're having lots of problems with a spent especially Muslim majority countries having massive amounts of migration into other countries. Okay, so check this out The what you're getting ready to see is in Spain this week There was a governmental leader in Spain that was like hey essentially But you know encouraging migration generally open borders, okay, so then literally today Spain declares a state of emergency because this happens, okay, so this is today in Spain and it's it's it's just It's just mass I mean honestly the best way to say it is in it is invasion is what it feels like it's invasion So just take this in So today as a result of this they end up declaring state of national emergency now go to that next video trendy because you can see a little more closely This is so this is it now dude look close. You know what you don't see there women and children. Yeah. Yeah, that's really interesting Hmm, you don't see women and children It's it's dudes, okay I'm gonna give a little context to the city is silta in Spain. This is a it's not in the mainland of Spain But it is a territory of Spain next to Morocco, Morocco. So this is primarily a Moroccan. Yeah, that's where I say now That's just an exam. Okay. Now as an example now So then step three so you got this you got incentivization of mass migration via Creation of the American welfare state then you go to step three then dude Honestly, you get to a spot where it happened gradually, but somewhere along the way Between the 1700s and the creation of our nation and now you get a reinterpretation at some level of what religious liberty means Okay, so originally what you got is you got the first amendment Congress shall make no law Respecting the establishment of a religion now Think about that the actual language is Congress. So there's only one body in the entire American government system They can violate that Congress Congress the only one. Okay, so I'll make no law respecting. So it's talking about essentially we don't want a national church Yeah, let's not do where he did England didn't work out. That's why we just fought a war. That's what they're like. Hey, let's not do that again Okay, so before honestly before That it's kind of happened gradually so something you kind of go hey man late 1800s or you go in 1940s You get a reinterpretation of what religious liberty in the first amendment mean that end up getting reinterpreted to me and man what we're gonna do now Is treat every world religion equally? So we're gonna treat and hey man, we're Christians. So let's just I'll just kind of speak plainly There's one religion that's true and then all the other religions are not true There's one religion that is led and inspired by the Holy Spirit and then all the other religions are Galatians one eight they are creations of demons So then when you get the reinterpretation of religious liberty to it's called equal footing That's what they they call it and in jurisprudence from what I understand Then all of a sudden when you get is now the American government is not just saying hey We're okay with private expression of different people have different religions. Okay, they can privately express that Then what you get with equal footing concept is now we're gonna treat all Religions as equally valid from a legislative perspective We're gonna treat the one that is led and it inspired by the Holy Spirit on the same footing as the religions that are led and inspired by demons Okay, now before that reinterpretation of what religious liberty meant honestly dude you just got acknowledged it From a legislative perspective from what I understand The United States generally treated Christianity. It was just treated differently. Yeah, our laws were simply Created and affected by Christianity in a way that they were not from any other religion I'll give a couple examples. I think it's like nine out of the 13 original colonies They had religious tests for people who could hold office You know like you had to and this is after the Declaration of Independence So like you had to do things like it's I could pull some of these up Pennsylvania was one of them where you had to like Publicly proclaim that you believe that Jesus Christ was Lord and that the old and new testaments were inspired by God to hold public office in Pennsylvania Why because the first amendment says Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment. Now this we're kind of nerding out for a second here So essentially it was like states can do that That's fine if states do that, but we're not gonna let Congress create a national church So you had that you had Sabbath laws Christianity is the only it's the only Religion in the world that treats Sunday as a Sabbath the blasphemy laws in our nation Yeah, they were largely it was really just it was essentially Christian blasphemy laws. You can't blaspheme God Think about how marriage is structured in the United States has always been structured until 2014 in Obergefell marriage is one man and one woman and it's covenantal now no fault divorce bad idea in the 60s and 70s mess that up But you got all this those that that is a Christian concept of marriage that for instance That's not an Islamic concept of marriage And in Islam as a man you can have up to four lives is fine Well, you know America went one man one woman one lifetime. That's a Christian thing This whole other thing if you if you want to do a fun little deep dive the supreme court in 1800s It's the the court case was church the Holy Trinity versus the United States They just ruled they based their entire ruling the written Opinion of the majority ruling they base their ruling on the fact quote This is a Christian nation. That's the United States Supreme Court in church the Holy Trinity versus the United States So here's my point here's a sale at say When you reinterpret religious liberty, so what I'm trying to point out is these things begin to stack These things begin to stack you got a creation of a welfare state 1935 then you have a heart He starts seller, starts, "Hey man, now we're gonna, "Hey man, really large groups of people from nations "that are predominantly not populated by people "who are Christians." That, what that did is that shifted the immigration sourcing from primarily nations that were filled with lots of Christians in Europe to Asia and Africa. So that's when you start shifting those things. Now, what some people do is they hear that and they're like, "Well dude, what you just said is racist." No, no, no. There's a difference between race and religion. And what some people do is they'll racialize what is actually based on religion and then they'll call it racism to sort of emotionally blackmail you, is that what they do? That's not what's happening. So then you reinterpret religious liberty now. Honestly dude, what you could do is, we just had old Raymond Ebrahimon. And Raymond Ebrahim is pointing out that, "Hey man, really nobody in the history of the world "until the last 30, 40 years has done what Western Europe "and the United States have done "when it comes to mass Islamic migration." In fact, man, those countries fought entire wars. Like, we just look at Spain. Yeah. Like Spain fought wars to keep, let's keep Muslim Islam from being able to overtake the nation, okay? Well, what you could do is you could go, man, how do you destroy a nation like that? Well, step one, you incentivize mass migration. Step two, you flood the zone with 20 million people who come from a lot of nations that largely aren't Christian, that by the way, they will end up voting for people that are not Christians. Step three, you remove anything through the reinterpretation of a religious liberty that would keep people opposed to Christianity out of office. And then step four, you could do this. Let that cook for a few hundred years. And you might end up with things like this. So, dude, before I show you this, bro, this thing blew my mind. What you're about to see, and it didn't get a lot of traction because it was originally an Arabic. Now, we made sure, capital M, capital S, that we had the correct translation of what you're about to see. And I'm just telling you, we do. So what you got right here is you got, we've already talked before about how, in general, Muslim people in general at scale. We're not talking about every single Muslim person that we're talking about. We're talking about what happens at a macro level when large groups of people who come in, honestly, they do. They have values that are fundamentally diametrically opposed to the Christianity that the nation was largely shaped by. That's what we're talking about, okay? So then you let that cook for a few hundred years. And what you're about to see is, our friend Mom Donnie is up in, this is a few weeks ago. He's up at a prayer gathering and Islamic prayer gathering. Bro, so you're gonna see him at the beginning of this clip and then watch what is prayed with him present while he is there as he's in and seeking further office. Check this out. And before you, as the first Muslim mayor in our city's history, and this year is the first Jumma that I have attended in that new position. And the killing of the infidels, another translation is non-believers, non-Muslims, by your sort, bro. You have the mayor of the largest city, most influential city, arguably in the United States, giving his blessing to a Muslim Imam publicly praying for the killing of the infidels, non-Muslims, by your sword, let the clip play out. Now, all I'm saying is if you were to ask the question, man, we have to be wise and understand that, hey dude, spiritual warfare does not just happen at an individual level, it can happen at a societal level. And if you were to ask the question, how would you destroy a nation that was largely a largely Christian nation populated by lots of Christians? Step one, step two, step three, step four, and dude, we have to understand. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, and spiritual forces of evil in high places. That is how you might destroy a largely Christian nation. - Hmm. - Right. (laughing) - Carlos is so nervous to say things like that. - No, not at all. - No, we're just trying to watch it on you. - It's very uncomfortable. - No, well, I think to the point, it's helping people think of it this way, and not to all the points that you made, but just the idea of you said it a minute ago, most people in the West think of sin is merely personal. It's me and my sin, which by the way, that is a huge thing. So I alone am gonna say it before God one day, and I can't believe it on anyone else, or say, my society was sinful, I'm gonna have to own my own sin. But we also have to be aware that sin works its way into structures of different societies and cultures, and I would even say go back to, there is something to do around me 32 about the different things. - There's something to it. - Because I would say. - I mean, each culture in each society has its different vices and strong loads that others might not have. And so we gotta be aware, there's a great verse in the New Testament talks about, we are not unaware of his schemes, meaning the devil. So part of anything what we're trying to say is we gotta be aware, not only is how the enemy gonna try to say you out personally, but how is he gonna try to take us out corporately, including as a society? And he gotta be aware, and that's why it's not just enough to fight your sin and to stand against it. It also has to be of hey, if we see values contrary to the word of God, starting to take hold societally, it is our duty to try to go against that, not against Muslims, but against the values that are behind their beliefs. - Right, yeah, so good. - That is also why like, you know, we've pointed this out before on the pod. That is why it honestly is very different when you see, man, it's like, I don't know how to say, it's funny when you have these conversations there's no way to have it where it doesn't feel awkward. But honestly, dude, when you have a lot of Hispanic immigrants, now obviously legal immigration over illegal immigration, yes, yes, yes, obviously. But when you have Hispanic immigrants that are largely Christian, there is a cultural synthesis because there are shared baseline values. The honestly, dude, it's just different. When you start importing, now I think it's around 2% of the American population is Muslim, if I remember correctly. It's just different. And things begin to operate differently. And again, it's not about race, it's about values, and it's about religious convictions. It's about culture. It's about culture, about culture. All right. So there you go. It was a most awkward, however many minutes, and it was my man, I like keeping it on your toes. I thought it was great. Yeah, you did great, man. One, two, three, break. (laughing) (upbeat music) (gentle music)