Autun huollon ei tarvitse olla yksi huoli lisää. Skodan reilu on edullinen merkki huolto yli viisi vuotiaalle skodalle alkaen 19. euroa. Mara huolto pistes kodampistettvi. Skoda! - Hi, I'm Jesse Bray. - And I'm Andy Kesset. Welcome to Love Murder, where we unravel the darkest tales of romance turned deadly. - Our episodes are long form, narrative driven, and deeply researched. Perfekt for the true crime of physionatos, seeking stories beyond the headlines. Like the chilling case of Blanche Taylor Moore, the so-called Black Widow, who left a trail of poisoned lovers. Or the shocking murders of Chad Shelton and Duane Johnson, where family ties, massed a sinister plot. Subscribe to Love Murder on Apple Podcasts Spotify or wherever you listen. - I'm Brett. - And I'm Alice. - And we are The Prosecutors. Today on The Prosecutors, they call him the male mora Murray. What happened to Bryce Lespisa? [Music] - Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of The Prosecutors. I'm Brett, and I'm joined as always by my aimlessly wandering co-host, Alice. - I am aimlessly wandering from closet to closet, looking for recording space, but it's not about me because we've always said that I think Brett's favorite types of cases are missing person cases. And boy do we have one for you today, especially when you see how much aimless wandering there is. And it might just be like a meta way of all of us. Are we just all aimlessly wandering, trying to find our purpose in this life? And so is Bryce really lost or are we all lost? - Wow. That was deep. Have you been on like a spiritual retreat recently or something? - No, I just told you that. - It is precious. - There was literally a four foot raptor that my child put in my recording closet. So no, not exactly. - Really? - Yeah. Well, before we get started on this journey into the soul, apparently, so what's going to be, I do have a few shout outs I wanted to do, Alice, if you don't mind. Let's see. The first is to. Hubby and Steffi Ks. They do woodworking. If you go on Facebook and you look up that, you'll find them. Those of you who are just listening, you can't see this. So sorry, you'll just have to check out their Facebook page. But they sent me this awesome like woodworked Alabama flag thing. - It's like an American flag, but bam, it's. Might be a little. This is like very cool. Did they burn it in there? - Yeah. - And it's like color-red in. - They tell they do. - It's beautiful. - I don't know. I don't know anything about woodworking. It's just really cool. So anyways, say if you're looking for sort of those specialized Christmas presents, because we're in that time of the year, check out Hubby and Steffi Ks Facebook page. Then they showed me a bunch of the stuff they had done. It's amazing. - Yeah, I just need them to make me a prosecutor's one now. - Oh, that would be cool. Yeah. - Because then I could. People have told me I look like I'm in a Santa's Island. And so maybe if there were a prosecutor's, what it looks less in Santa's Island. - We really need decorations, Madgie. We gotta work on that. - I. You know, I kind of like the in Santa's Island look. So the other people who reached out to us that we wanted to give a shout out to are lifelong friends pet adoptions in Laga Vista, Texas. Alice, do you know where Laga Vista is? - I think it's Laga Vista. - Laga Vista. - Laga Vista. - Yes, of course, in Laga Vista. And any pet adoption, I think I've talked about this before. I used to foster dogs looking for their forever homes when I lived in Texas. Especially large dogs in particular. And thank you for all of you who do that type of work, because especially around the holidays, a lot of people buy their kids pets and then realize that those puppies, bunnies, chicks, kitties are a lot of work. And then they end up at a shelter. So thank you to those who care for them. - Well, with that in mind, they are a small donations based, volunteer run organizations. So maybe if you have an opportunity or if you're in Texas, check them out. Their website is lagavista.org. And they're also on Instagram. It lifelong underscore friends, underscore pet, underscore adopt. If you want to learn more. So that's enough of the business as the captain would say if we were on true crime garage. Alice, are you ready to dive in to the Bryce Les Pisa story? - I really am, because guys, when you walk to the timeline of this thing, it is just an absolute head scratcher. And also makes me as a parent terrified because it seems like no matter what, there can be dangers around every corner. And you can be left decades later with no answers. - It's kind of funny. I can't, you know, I'm using this fancy Apple machine because we went to Apple at some point. But I still haven't really figured out how to use it. So I can't find you. I don't know where you are. Oh, there you are. I found you. - So if you do three fingers up, it shows you all your wonders. Oh, it didn't work. Because sometimes if you change it, it's very customizable, which is bad if you don't know how you customized it. - Yeah, but I found you. So. - Well, I'm glad you found me. Yet again, aimlessly wandering. Are we going to be found? We can only hope. - I'm reliably informed that people's favorite part of the podcast is I was just random discussion. So this is going to be like a five-star episode for everybody. I mean, we're in the same- - Oh, whore. - We're in the same- - Can't say one star, you know? All along the way that I don't want to leave this earth mediocre. So I want people to hate me or love me because I'm not going to try to please people. I'm going to do what's right. And chitchat with my best friend. If I feel like pontificating about who am I, where am I? My Zoolander thoughts. - Wow. Alice is some deep thoughts right now. I mean, maybe we should just turn this into an after-dark and just get your- - Get already isn't after that. We're already getting listed in the chat. They're like, oh, you ever going to get the chance to get the chance? - I was just kidding. This is a big case in true crime. So I know a lot of you actually, all of you who are listening for the first time, I promise it's not always like this. So anyways, let's dive in to this case. And I do want to say something about this. You know what we say? We're never going to lie to you. We're going to lie to you in this case. We're going to tell you a lie. Now, before it's over, we're going to tell you what the lie is. And you can decide for yourself whether or not the lie is significant. But it's a lie that is often told in this case. So with that, let's get started. So Bryce Laspisa was born April 30th, 1994, the only child of Mike in Karen Laspisa. The LaPisa's lived in Naperville, Illinois. And we're about all accounts, a tight-knit family who maintained an active presence in their son's life. And Bryce was well-liked. He was funny. He was charismatic. And apparently, was quite the artist. He graduated from Naperville Central High School in 2012. And decided to attend Sierra College in Rockland, California to pursue a degree in industrial and graphic design. His parents also relocated to California, moving to a home in Laguna, Nguel, which was roughly seven hours from Bryce's school. And I don't know if they just were sort of a retirement age and wanted to move out to California. If they wanted to be somewhat close to him, but not so close as to be annoying. I mean, seven hours is still quite a distance from your. That shows you how big California is, too. Like, we're about to go to Kentucky for Thanksgiving. And it's about seven hours. And that's across two states. But in California, hey, it's a long state. Anyways, so they move out there and are relatively close to Bryce's school. Now, by all accounts, Bryce's freshman year went swimmingly. He made friends. He did well in his classes. He met a girl who I think attended another school down the road. And again, dating her, her name was Kim Sly. And everything seemed to be fun. He finishes his first year. He does great in school. He goes back home for the summer. He's sort of hanging out with people in the town that he's met. He's hanging out with his parents. And by all accounts, everything is fine. No calls for concern whatsoever. But weirdly, things began to shift almost immediately when Bryce returned to school in August of 2013 to begin his sophomore year. So he goes back to school. And Bryce's roommate Sean noticed that Bryce's behavior had been off. Bryce was drinking heavily. He was using vi-vants, which is a long-acti-stimulating.
medication for ADHD, but he wasn't doing it for ADHD. He was using it recreationally, and he was staying up all night, which is not surprising when he's using a stimulant recreationally. Bryce had also unexpectedly broken up with his girlfriend Kim, despite their relationship going well. All of this combined prompted Sean to call Bryce's mom Karen, but regardless of his behavior, no one could have predicted what would happen just a few days later. On August 30, 2013, Bryce Lispisa vanished without a trace after driving his car off a 25 foot embankment in Castellic Lake, California. No one has heard from Bryce in the 11 years that have followed and his remains have never been found. And we mentioned in the cold open more Murray, in this case is often compared to that, and you're going to see why. This is a case where it seemed like, frankly, Mora arguably had a lot more going on with her than Bryce did. More obvious reasons to maybe strike off on her own, but in both cases, you have these two people who seem to have a pretty good thing going and then very quickly something happens to them. And they decide to get in their car and drive off. And then after an accident, the vehicle was found, but no trace of them is found. And it is a case that has fascinated people. I think for the same reason as Mora, I mean, look, I know some of you, you hate these unsolved mystery type cases. You like solve cases. You don't like to have questions lingering. But for a lot of you, I mean, this is your Roman Empire, right? This is the case that you think about all the time, because as you're going to see, if you're not familiar with it, so many strange things happen. Inexplicable things happen that lead to this disappearance. And I think the timeline in this case tells so much. And we're going to spend a lot of time on that timeline. This will be a two-parter no doubt. Because I just have a lot of things I want to talk to Alice about when it comes to this case, because there are some things that happen that make me want to ask uncomfortable questions, because a lot of strange things are going to happen. And you're going to see that. So we're going to start the timeline in mid-August of 2013. So this is when Bryce comes back to Sierra College. And apparently he gets there about two weeks before classes begin. As we said, his first year in school had been typical. He'd done well, no cause for concern. And I'll just say this. I think most people, if they're going to have trouble at school, it really is that first year. I was on the, we called it the student judiciary. Some of you might have like an honor board or whatever, but it's a group of kids who deal with the lower level infractions that various students will get involved in. And I did that in college. And as you can imagine, going to a big state school, we saw some things. I mean, the stories I could tell were pretty wild. But I remember one kid who he got to school in like three weeks into it. The police were like driving down the road. And he's laying in the middle of the road. It was like a miracle, the cops saw him before it just ran over him, passed out drunk in the middle of the road. And this was like in the first three weeks of school, this was like the fifth time he had gotten so drunk that he had passed out and had some interaction with the police. And so he gets sent home, you know, before the end of September, basically called his parents and said, look, your son's just not ready for college. He's not ready for that kind of responsibility. And we saw that a lot. I mean, the number of people who the very first semester was when problems arose and they had issues so common. But Bryce, he gets through that. He gets through the whole first year and does well. Everything seems fine. And he's going back to school. So he returns to school. And his friends notice pretty much immediately that he's different. Something has shifted about him. He's not the sort of happy go lucky guy he was before. He wasn't sort of a normal student. Instead, he started drinking a lot. He's drinking much more than he had his first year. His first year, apparently, he typically was like a beer guy. He gets back to school now. The sudden he's drinking liquor. Like he's drinking to get drunk. He starts taking this vi-van stuff, which he had not done before. And he's not sleeping at all. Something seemed like it was troubling him. Okay. So already I already have so many questions. We know that he grew up in Illinois, Naperville. And then when he goes back in the summer, he's going back to where his parents moved to, which is in California, not his hometown. Do we know when he started drinking like this? Was it over the summer? Because it seems like his roommate started noticing it almost immediately. He shows up to school. He's already been drinking typically. You build up to it, right? So he's been gone for about three months. The thing about these cases is, unfortunately, we don't have a trial, right? So we have less sort of solid reporting on that. But everything I've read and everything I've listened to, his friends at home notice nothing unusual about him at all. Their position was same guy. His parents would say the same thing. Now, his parents are going to narrate a lot of this. They're going to give us a lot of information. And at some point, I think it's worth questioning how reliable they are. We talked about this before. Oftentimes, parents, you know, they desperately want to find their son, but they're also very protective of their children, right? Parents are always very protective of their children. They want them. They don't want people to think badly of them. Exactly. The public perception really matters. And not that it matters more. This is by the way, this is so you see this permeate every aspect of missing person cases where the person they don't know what happened to them. One of the big examples we've said before is when you provide a picture of your loved one who's lost, don't give like a pageant photo, like the most beautiful photo of your daughter or your son. I'm so glad that you want the world to see the most beautiful photo, but that's probably not what they look like day to day. And so that's not a super helpful photo. But you can imagine where that comes from. Well, I want the world to see the best of my children. So this is their beautiful prom photo, not their every day at home in sweats photo. And according to his parents, and maybe this is like part of that, they all said he was fun. So the sort of position of his parents and his friends, and I'll just say this, obviously it seems like his parents moved to California, more or less, was at the same time as he began school. So I do wonder how many close friends he had in California. He graduated from high school in Illinois. So how close was he to people in California? So I don't know that his friends would know. Obviously, he lived with his parents and they said it was fun. So let's take that for now with a grain of salt that he was fine. Because it's a great question by Alice because it's so important. You know, when this started and what the trigger is for it may tell us so much. We talked about this and let we're going to mention more Murray a lot because there are less similarities. We talked about this in the more Murray case. There are people in the more Murray case who were like, it doesn't matter what happened to her at U.S. or what was going on, you know, in Amherst. It doesn't matter. All that matters is what happened after she got in that car wreck in New Hampshire. And I've never thought that was true because I think if you know why she left, why she started that drive, it would tell you a lot. I think the same thing here. You have Bryce. What it was that triggered him could tell you a lot about why he disappeared. But what it seems like is assuming his parents are accurate or no, and that's the other thing. Parents don't always know what's going on with their kids. It says if he left perfectly happy, gets to college, and then immediately is in this funk, which doesn't really make sense. That should be the first flag. Does it really make sense that everything was fine? Then he gets to college where typically people are pretty happy. And all of a sudden he's in this funk, but he is. And for two weeks, he does really nothing, but drink a lot, play video games, stay up all night, take five hands. He is just not himself. Classes begin August 27th, 2013. And that night, according to his roommate, he stays up all night. He doesn't sleep. He's popping five hands. For some reason, I imagine five hands is like a nasal inhaler. Like in my mind, that's what it is. I have no idea if it is or not. It is not. It is a prescription drug, though. Like I wouldn't prosecute cases that just had to do by events, but it usually was like a corollary drug. Like they took my events and like all these other opioids. And in my cases, they because they were being abused, along with a lot of other prescription drugs, it was just like another stimulant that would cause a lot of these behaviors. So on its own, it's not like someone popping a lot of oxycodone, but because it is a stimulant, especially when you're pairing it with a downer alcohol, and then not sleeping, it can cause unintended consequences. And I knew people in college who took Adderall to stay up and study. Similar, right? Well, he's taking it apparently to stay up and play video games. That's what he's doing. And his roommates becoming concerned, and that concern is accelerated dramatically when he finds out his roommate's name's Sean. When Sean finds out that Bryce breaks up with his girlfriend, Kim, via text message, which was just an. not like Bryce. And first of all, not like Bryce. Number two, he and Kim had been very close. He sends Kim this message that she would be better off without him. And she's like, is this a sort of joke? Are you breaking up with me? And he basically says, yes. So he breaks up with his girlfriend two weeks into getting back to school over text message. And for those of you sitting out there, no, there's no indication there was any other girl involved. He just is doing this very sort of spontaneous thing. And it's not the last spontaneous thing he will do. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance, Fiscaly Responsible, Financial Geniuses, Monetary Magicians. These are things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds. Because Progressive offers discounts for paying in full, owning a home, and more. Plus, you can count on their great customer service to help you when you need it. So your dollar goes a long way. Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Progressive casually insurance company and affiliates, potential savings will vary, not available in all states or situations. Guys, we are back with one of our favorite sponsors, one skin. One skin is all about making you look great. At the core is their patented OS one peptide. The first ingredient proven to target senescent sales, the root cause of wrinkles, creppiness and loss of elasticity, all key signs of skin aging. And these results have now been validated in five different clinical studies known for cold skin care favorites like OS one body, OS one face and OS one eye. One skin stands out for their science first approach to skin aging, delivering hydration, dairy support and powerful longevity benefits in every product. They are certified safe for sensitive skin. And once again, products are free from over 1500 harsh or irritating ingredients. They are dermatologists tested and have been awarded the National Exema Association Seal of Approval by the NEA, delivering powerful results without the side effects. Guys, so I started with the OS one face cream and I needed something because I was working long hours, I was waking up at night with the baby. My face was just really showing it. I could feel it's dryness and I could feel wrinkles coming on. But as soon as I started OS one face, I could see the difference. My face felt better. It felt hydrated. It felt like I was able to do something for my face, not just keep the wrinkles at bay. So I quickly added the OS one eye and the body and the lip mask and I'm not going back. It makes my skin care routine so easy because I know what I'm putting on my face is healthy for it and I'm not putting a bunch of gunk that's going to hurt it. Now, one skin also just launched their limited edition holiday sets, including the nightly rewind gift set, which is one of those rare gifts that both impresses and genuinely is useful, providing an upgrade to anyone's nightly routine featuring their best selling face moisturizer, their new peptide lip mask and a cooling gouache, and component of the set is designed to work together as your body enters its natural nightly repair mode, helping renew skin at the cellular level for a stronger, smoother and more resilient skin. For a limited time, try one skin for 15% off using code prosecutors at oneskin.co/prosicuters. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them we sent you. And of course, it's also noteworthy what he says to her via text one normally. He can just call her and talk to her. They are very close, but it's not that there's anything wrong with her or their relationship, but rather it's him. And we'll see this again, why this is so concerning. He's saying she's better off without him indicating that there's something wrong with him. So the next day after he stayed up all night, broken up with Kim via text message on August 28, 2013, Bryce, Texas, roommate, Sean, I love you bro. Seriously, you're the best person I've ever met. You saved my soul. Sean texts him back. I love you, man. You have an amazing life full of love and blessings. Don't waste that. You have too many people who love you, Bryce. So obviously, Sean is not treating this lightly. He's writing back honestly. Like what a therapist will write back. Something that is like indicating, hey, something's wrong here. I want to remind you of all of your blessings. He's not saying, why are you being weird? He's already noticed things are weird. And he is saying all the things he's not leaving anything left unsaid. He's saying, you're wonderful. Everything's great. There's a lot to live for. That's essentially what he's saying. And I think this is really important because sometimes in the coverage of this, people will try and blow this off as somehow not significant. But no, I mean, read that response. These are 19 year old guys. Okay. Not always the most mature people. But I mean, when I was in high school or college, something like this, it happened. You have the ability to be mature when it's important when something's going on that you care about. You can get very serious and very adult very quickly. And note his response. You know, it's not just, wow, thank you or love you too, man. He immediately transitions into an almost like anti-suicide top talk, right? This whole thing about you have all these blessings. Don't waste it. You have too many people who love you. I mean, this is very much sort of the kind of thing you would say to someone who maybe is in the depths of some sort of depression. And I think this speaks to what he has seen over those last two weeks. Like, I don't think you can just poo poo those last two weeks as typical maybe college behavior. Okay, fine. He's drinking more than he did before. He's taking more drugs than he did before. But whatever. That's just an acceleration. It doesn't mean anything significant. No, I think Sean is very intuitive here. He probably knows Bryce more than most people. And he sees in this not just bizarre self-destructive behavior, but possibly self-harming behavior and possibly some sort of depression. And I think his response tells us a lot about his mindset. And I think the thing he does next tells us even more because it's the kind of thing that you don't do unless it's really serious. But before we talk about what he does there, I think these two texts also indicate that Bryce and Sean have spoken about more about what's going on in Bryce's mind. And I say this because Bryce says you saved my soul. That won't come likely out of nowhere, right? It sounds like whether over the last two weeks, whether the night before or sometime before in the freshman year, there was something. And I do actually wonder based on these two texts, what freshman year actually was like? I know we're starting this whole premise off with freshman year was fantastic. But the you saved my soul seems to indicate usually that's pretty heavy. That could be hyperbole, but Bryce is in not a great place right now either. It seems to indicate to me longer conversations that have taken place over time, maybe longer than the past two weeks. He's saying it and he doesn't have to explain himself, right? Like why? What do you talk about my soul? Like if I said that to Brett, apropos, nothing, I think he would be like, what are you talking about? Like, yes, we are really good friends. We've helped each other through a really dark times. But like, what exactly are you talking about? Like is this for something specific? Whereas when we've gone through very difficult like work situations, and if I texted something like that to Brett, like, hey, you've been there for me, you've really saved me. If we were in the midst of a conversation, Brett would know what I'm talking about. So this indicates to me that at least Bryce has maybe opened up a little bit to Sean and Sean has a little bit more insight. And it's not rosy. And it's also not short term because of the response that Sean gives, which is you have too many people who love you, Bryce. That is not an automatic answer. And it doesn't really follow what Bryce texted. You saved my soul. Seems like you saved my soul. All is good. No, no, no. It kind of takes a hard right into that. As you said, suicide prevention type of talk. But in a natural kind of conversation tone, that answer doesn't follow what Bryce has said. That's a really fascinating point you back there because all these cases always start with some baseline assumptions. And those assumptions may be wrong. And this case is always reported as everything was rosy and perfect first year. But you're right. I mean, nothing happened in the two weeks prior that I know of that would lead to the whole you saved my soul thing. You're right. That feels like that reflects back. Heavy. Yeah. Of something else that happens. So that's a really good point. There may be more baggage here than where aware of. And I don't know. Sean's talked about a lot in this case, but I've never seen like an interview with Sean. I've never seen where Sean came forward. So that would be something. If anybody knows of anything like that, it's a little bit more background on Bryce might be the kind of thing that would help. Once again, shed light on what's happening because that's really perceptive. I didn't think about that. But you're right. It does not sound like the kind of thing you would just text without some basis. And then what Sean does next? I know a lot of people talk about, but I think the reason he takes this next step isn't because of that one text from Bryce. It's a very concerning text. But I think it's the you saved my soul. There's some back history there. Sean knows to text back something that is also very serious. I think he has a lot more insight than just the night before or that text. Something maybe from knowing him for the last year that Sean knows this is beyond really.
your normal being down or normal sleep with night. Something is really wrong. And so a 19 year old boy does something that is basically like calling 911. He calls Bryce's mom, Karen Laspisa, to tell her, hey, Bryce is acting really strangely. He tells her about the last evenings events, the staying up all night, the playing video games, breaking up with Kim by text message. And he notes that there's really been a shift in Bryce's behavior. Sean feels a lot of responsibility because he's right there with him. So he calls Karen. And I say that's like calling 911 certainly for like a 19 year old. He doesn't know no Karen because they're not childhood friends. But he's asking for help from someone who has authority over Bryce. Now Sean wasn't sure what was causing this troubling shift in Bryce's personality, but it was significant enough to warrant a call to Bryce's mom. And again, I know that's what we always hear. And he may not know exactly what caused the shift, but I think he has a history there with him that he knows this is incredibly troubling. Bryce has also reportedly been drinking heavily over these past few weeks. He's been giving away his personal possessions, including his Xbox, which obviously we know he cares about because he stays up playing video games. And he gives away a pair of diamond earrings that he got from his mom. And obviously these are concerning behaviors because people tend to give away their things of value if they are planning to not be around much longer to use these things. - Okay, here's where the uncomfortable criticism starts because I know this is gonna upset some people. But a lot of you out there have children. Some of you have children in college. Some of you have children in high school. Some of you have young children. You're just trying to imagine what you would do in this situation. And it's always easy to look back and second-guess people. It's always easy to have hindsight. It's always easy to say, well, I would have done this. If, I mean, I'm certainly going forward after this case. If my child's roommate called me and said, hey, really weird things are going on with your son. He's not in his right mind. He gave away the earrings that you gave to him that he loved that meant so much to him. He gave him a shot. As a matter of fact, gave him his Xbox too. He's giving his stuff away. He just broke up with his girlfriend. He just texted me that I saved his soul. I'm really concerned. If it were me, I think I would be on the road immediately. I would be like, Sean, I will see you in seven hours. And I would be on the road heading to the school. And that doesn't happen. And you may think, wow, this is really early to start criticizing the parents what they do. But just know, this is not the last strange thing that's going to happen. And at no point does that happen. At no point do the parents say we're on our way. And that, as I read this, and as I read more and more of it, was something that became stranger and stranger to me as I worked through this time of life. - So agree that on its face, that seems like a very strange response. And I kept thinking that because like you said, this is going to come up multiple times where you're like, why are the parents not jumping in their car speeding towards Bryce's clearly not OK? And then this is also informed by being a parent. Unless there's more to this story that we don't know that have to do with his parents. I'm not blaming them. I'm simply saying there was an event this weekend where my eight-year-old was very, very, very upset with me. Because of the news, I told him. I said that he had to change schools. And it made him so upset. And he was heaving, crying, never seen him that upset before. And I tried to go to him and it just made him fly into a fury. Like absolute fury, he was like, gonna break the put your hole in the wall. And so I was like, I really want to be with him right now. But I recognize that I am making it worse because I was the bearer of those news. And so I told him, I'm not going to come. Like, I'm going to let you cry. I'm not going to come. And I walked away from his room. Even though I really wanted to be there with him. And by all accounts, he probably needed someone there. But I recognize in that specific moment, I was going to make it worse until he got to a calmer place. That was a very rosy picture of the parents. Now think about if it were another situation, if it were not just because the parents trying to do something good. But if the angst or whatever is happening existentially for Bryce is stemming from his parents and his parents either know that they will make it worse or they know the reason for this shift. And either they can't change it or it's because of a decision they've made that they're not going to go back on. Something like that. There's just, there is something more here that we may not know. And it may just be that they don't care. But by all accounts, they seem like parents who care a lot. They piece their only child. They move across the country after he goes to college. They didn't move to the other coast. I'll note that so they didn't try to go farther away. So a lot of unknowns, but I will give kind of the 180 perspective of what Brett just said too. And neither could be right. But this shows you how in these types of stories, the narrator can affect the story so much. Because this is continues to be a question mark, I think it's worth viewing all the possibilities on the spectrum to try and get closer to the truth. - Well, let me just say, I don't think as to the parents don't care about him. I think there's something else going on, which I think you put your finger on. And we're going to see something that's about to happen that I think helps reinforce that. There's something weird here. And let me say this about this case. One of the reasons we wanted to do this case is because everyone does this case since the big case everybody got tons of requests of this. But the other reason I want to do it is because I feel like there is this weirdness in this case that no one talks about the parents. And I'll tell you, I was watching as you guys know, when we do cases, we do research on them, we read everything, listen to tons of stuff, we put a ton of time into research in these cases. I mean, frankly, sometimes we mess things up because we've heard so much of so many different people that we get like round their head. But I was watching Mr. Ballin's presentation of this case, love Mr. Ballin, if you haven't listened to Mr. Ballin, you should. I'm watching it, my wife's like doing one of the 50,000 things she does, she's just in the room with me. She's not watching it, she's not paying attention. As far as I know, she's like completely in her own world. And that was something like halfway through, she's like, why don't they just get in their car and drive down there? And I was like, sort of shot. It's like, yo, you're listening to this? But I thought, yeah. And she's, she's not like a trick on a person. She didn't care about this. But it was just one of those things. - So obvious. - Yeah, it was so obvious. Like, go down there, right? And you're gonna see, she gets this call from Sean, who's the friend, right? And then later that night, she gets a call from Bryce because he's at his ex-girlfriends house. He's at Kim's house, he's in Chico, California, which is about 90 miles away from his apartment. 'Cause remember, she doesn't go to the same school he goes to. And basically, he tells his mom that they've had this disagreement and that Kim is really worried about him. And Kim's like, on the phone with the mom and Bryce is on the phone with the mom. It's like the phone is going back and forth between Bryce and Kim. And Kim tells her that Bryce has been acting really strange and that she didn't think he should be driving. She was worried about him driving. - So really quick, I know I was just trying to give all the benefit of the doubt. Now we have the two closest people, both emotionally and physically to their son, saying something's not right. And now it's getting to like an emergent situation where his girlfriend's like, he can't drive. He should not be driving. And she's so concerned she's talking over him onto the phone. - And she was so worried about him driving that she's taking his keys away from him. And that's actually what ended up the call to his mom. And I think what happened is Kim took the keys and was like, I'm not giving you these keys back. You need to call your mom. And there's gonna be multiple times throughout this story where third parties tell him, you need to call your parents. And this is another one. So Kim is saying, call your mom, right? - That also by the way, is something that I think is noteworthy in this story. This is a guy at college, seven hours from where his parents live. I'm not saying that you're not close to your parents at 19 years old, but I will say when I was in school, in college and law school wherever, I went to schools that were very far from where my parents lived. The first person that someone would say, call what's typically, would be like a best friend, but typically not a parent. And if you entered the parent, there's two things. It could be that this is such a large problem. This is not your typical problem. And you really need to invoke like the largest authority that you can think of, which is usually, maybe someone's parent, who maybe is paying the bills. Another thing maybe, maybe they know more about what's going on between Bryson, his mom. You can imagine, and I don't know this is the case, but sometimes if I'm having a disagreement with someone, you need to call that person. There's just more to the story than we actually know right now. I don't have any basis for these different points of reference, but I do note that the two closest people to them are calling his mom or saying you need to call your mom. - So at this point, Bryson, his mom talk. And according to his mom, she does something, which is frankly,
out of step with everything else that's gonna happen in this story from this point forward. She offers to come down there and he tells her, "No, there's no need. I'm fine." I don't think this happened. Let's put my cards on the table. I don't think she offered that. I just don't think it happened. I think possibly after everything else happened, she said that, maybe she even remembers that, but it's just, it's not in keeping with anything else we're going to see that she was ready to come down there. Frankly, Bryce saying, "Oh, no, I'm fine." After the two closest people, I don't think that would have stopped her from coming if she was that concerned. To me, I don't think that happened. The next day, this seems super emergency. Like, if she's saying, "Should I come the next day?" Why not that night? Why not right now? This sounds like a real problem. Yeah. And honestly, the bad decisions could even worse. Apparently, Bryce told her he did want to talk to her. He had some things he wanted to discuss with her, but he didn't really go into that any further. And apparently she did not press him. But whatever they talked about, at this point, despite Kim calling, and despite Sean calling, Karen thinks he's fine. So she gets on the phone with Kim and she says, "He's fine. Give him back his keys so he can drive home." And so Kim does that. She gives him his keys and he leaves. I don't know what that conversation was, but what was Kim to do, but to give the keys back when the only thing like holding, you know, the leverage was to call your mom to keep the keys away from him. The thing I'll say about Bryce, we talk about every time somebody disappears, they lie at the room or whatever. Bryce, apparently, just, he inspired some fierce loyalty from people who cared about him. So Sean's going all out. He broke up with Kim by a text message. Kim would have had every reason to be angry at him, to be like, "Get out. Why are you even here? Get away from me. I don't want to talk to you. I'm sick of you." But she doesn't do that. She takes his keys. She's calling his mom, all this other stuff. She doesn't want to give him his keys back. She only does it when mom tells her to. And we're going to see people later on who Bryce meets for much lesser amount of time, who go out of their way to try and help him. And yet, we just see this where these opportunities to intervene, are lost. So Karen, Bryce's mom says, "Give him his keys back." And so Kim gives the keys back to Bryce. At 1130, Bryce leaves Kim's house in Chico, California to go back to his apartment in Rockland, California 90 miles away. Already going to be a very late night drive. So this is going into the next morning, past midnight, August 29th, but he's just driving. At 1am, 90 minutes after he left Kim's house, that may be enough time for him to almost back to his apartment, he actually calls his mom again. They don't discuss anything particularly notable. He was just calling to check in. Okay, this is very interesting because it's 1am calling. And the 1130 call was actually pretty heated. It was a fight between whether he was well enough to drive. And so the 1 o'clock check-in, it may be as simple as mom was like, you know, when you get on the road, make sure you're okay. Call me. But I think that itself is notable that there's a 1am call after an 1130 call where his ex-girlfriend is trying to wrestle the keys away from him. So to say that this is not a notable call, I think is again, kind of that narrative saying nothing. No big deal. I think the fact there is a 1am call at all is notable because of all the preceding events and not just because in hindsight. I think things have been heated for the past 90 minutes. Now Karen, because it's been about 90 minutes, assumed that at this point, Bryce is back in his apartment. But later, his phone pings and would prove that he was actually heading south past his apartment and towards the mountains. And this, I think, is also interesting because I guess the assumption makes sense based on the timeline. But if I'm talking to someone who's just been very heated, was worried about them driving, I guess maybe Karen wasn't worried about him driving, but at least the person who was with him, Kim, was worried about Bryce driving. I wouldn't assume that he's back in his apartment. I would say, so you made it okay? You back home? Everything good? At least from what I've read about this call, he told her he was at the apartment. It was just assumed again. If you know someone moral enough, maybe you don't need to ask the direct questions. But the 1am call because of the 1130 fight between Kim and Bryce, I think warranted more than just an assumption. So I think it's curious that it was just an assumption and clearly a wrong assumption because Bryce was not home. He was going in the opposite direction. So this is a really good point because this phone call is always glossed over because according to Karen, nothing significant was discussed. So one of two things is true. Either nothing significant was discussed. He seemed like he was fine. She thought he was going to his apartment. That's what he led her to believe. Or that's not true. And this phone call is very different from the way it's described to us. And what I want you to think about is which one of those is most likely true given what we're going to see after this and the reaction from Bryce's parents to these events. We're stepping into the holiday season. I love getting dressed up, getting into my glittery dresses, but here's the reality after having four kids and not always being on top of my workout game. Sometimes I need a little help feeling confident and comfortable in my holiday wear. Enter honey love. Honey love is the most comfortable shape where you will ever experience. I have their bras. I have their shape where they are so comfortable that I wear them daily, not just for holiday parties. I wear them to travel. I wear them to court. They come in all types of shapes and sizes for anything that you need. It's now my go to shape where with honey love bras and shape where they not only give me comfort, but they give me the confidence to sparkle at holiday parties. And even in cozy sweaters when I'm just hanging out with my family. So you don't have to spend this season tugging at your uncomfortable bras or shape where that roll down make you look awkward. Honey love moves with you so you can enjoy the moment and their new cloud embrace bra is literally the perfect treat yourself gift. I know because I did treat myself with it. It's a modern wireless t-shirt bra with sturdy, lightly padded foam cups that feel like a cloud against your skin. And it's a wireless bra for people who love underwire. It sold out in days before so don't wait. This is the present to put under the tree or in your own stocking. Treat yourself or someone you love to honey love this holiday season. And right now you can save 20% honey love dot com slash prosecutors just use our exclusive link honey love dot com slash prosecutors to grab your discount after you order. Ask you where you heard about honey love so please support our show and let them know we sent you celebrate the season feeling confident and comfortable with honey love. Guys if you like me you're always looking for that gift that your friends and family are going to love and that's why we are so excited to talk to you guys about or frames today if you're like me you're always taking thousands of pictures of your kids and it's so great you don't have to go print them out anymore you've got them all with you all the time but the fact of the matter is they kind of just sit there in your friends and family unless you remember to send them to them. They never see them well that's where are frames can come in you can give an are frame to your family just like I gave one to mine and they will then have access to all of your favorite photos uploads are unlimited you can upload as many photos and videos as you want all you have to do is download the r app connect to Wi-Fi and you can actually pre load photos before it ships so when your family gets that great gift they will already have the photos available but you can also keep adding from anywhere any time you can personalize your gift and you can share photos and videos effortlessly and what you know it a gift box is included which is important for people like me who have trouble when it comes to the whole wrapping gifts you can't wrap togetherness but you can frame it for a limited time save on the perfect gift by visiting or a frame dot com to get thirty five dollars off or as best selling carver Matt frames named number one by wire cutter by using promo code prosecutors at checkout that's a you are a frames dot com promo code prosecutors this deal is exclusive to listeners and frames sell out fast so order yours now to get it in time for the holidays support the show by mentioning us at checkout terms and conditions apply so it's one a.m. we now know from the phone pings not because he told anyone that he is driving south towards the mountains at eleven a.m. so ten hours later Karen and Mike prices parents receive a voicemail from their insurance company informing them that the Toyota Highlander that Bryce drives called for roadside assistance
So they didn't hear from Bryce. They didn't hear from anyone else. They actually hear from insurance about roadside assistance. Now, the parents are now concerned about Bryce. When they can't get in contact with him, they called his roommate, Sean. Sean told them that Bryce hadn't gotten back to the apartment. He started driving almost 12 hours earlier, and he had called his mom at 1 a.m. She had assumed he was back at the apartment. So this is very concerning now. Sean says, look, he never came back to the apartment. He's still not here. It's 11 a.m. now. Now, at this point, the parents decided to check their credit card transactions to see if Bryce had made any charges to see what was going on. They saw that there was a charge from Castro, Tire, and Truck in Button Willow, California. - Okay, so think back to that 1 a.m. call. If the 1 a.m. call went the way Karen says it went, then at this point, she knows that Bryce was lying to her. Right? Bryce wasn't fine. He wasn't back at the apartment. Everything wasn't cool. He had been driving much longer than they thought he had. He never went back to the apartment. And now they're having this whole roadside assistant thing. Button Willow is a small town off of Interstate 5. It's only a few hours from the less piece of family home in Laguna, Niguel. So apparently he is heading in their general direction. And his parents think, well, maybe he's headed this way. They call Castro Tire, which was the Tire shop in Button Willow to see if anybody remembers helping Bryce. And there's a representative there, Christian. And look, we got so many heroes in this case. I mean, Sean's the friend you wanna have. Kim's the girlfriend you wanna break up with by text, because she still apparently cares enough about you to try and let get you help. Then we got Christian, who's just some random dude, who tells Karen that Bryce ran out of gas. Yes, okay. Not only is he driving in the middle of the night after he's had this interaction with Kim, he's had this interaction with Sean, he's doing all this stuff he shouldn't do. But he's so pre-possessed with whatever else is going on that he runs out of gas while driving down the road. So Christian brings him three gallons of gas at around 9 a.m. And Christian doesn't stop there. Christian's like, I will go back to where I saw him and see if he is still there. So that's what he tells Mom he's going to do. And at 12 o'clock, so an hour later, he drives down there, he gets there, and shockingly. It's been three hours since Christian last dropped off the gas. - Can we also, I know we're taking a very long time to go through this, but isn't it weird to you that the first place they look is the credit card as if they know to check the credit card as opposed to anything else. If I hear that insurance is being called for roadside assistance for my child, I immediately think, holy crap, there's been an accident. Something is wrong. I called the police department, I start calling around to be like, what's going on? He's not answering his phone, roadside assistance, what's happening? - Well, do we know that they called his phone? - No, we don't know that he called his phone, in fact. - And this, you're right. - There were cell phones in 2013. - Absolutely there were cell phones, but it is interesting. Again, I'm not blaming them. I'm saying there's more to the story because what they did probably make sense if we knew more of the story, where the first thing that happens because I will say the first thing when I hear insurance roadside assistance is my biggest fear. There's been an accident, or if there was a flat tire in the middle of nowhere, are you okay? Like I've had a flat tire in the middle of nowhere, I immediately called my husband, and I'm like, I'm gonna get murdered out here, right? That's my, I was fine physically, but I was afraid because I'm in the middle of nowhere with no one to help me. But where they go is the transactions, which is smart. That's exactly what you do as an investigator to try and figure out where someone is. But again, that's trying to trace where someone is, rather than the transaction doesn't tell you if he's okay. The fact that there is a transaction may indicate that they're alive and well, but that's a strange place to go look as a parent. That's the first place I'd go look as an investigator if I'm trying to find someone's location, but it doesn't answer the question of if they're okay. - No, I think you're right. I mean, I think Alice is hammering the sort of uncomfortable trace in this case. There's more going on here than we don't know. There is something going on in this case that we don't know. There is a history we are unaware of. There are facts we don't know about. That is why this is a mystery. I mean, it would be a mystery if we knew those facts because the fact of the matter as Bryce disappears at the end of this, but this is so bizarre. This is so weird. This is not a typical disappearance. And Bryce is not acting rationally and frankly, his parents are not acting rationally in my view. And it's only gonna get worse. So three hours have passed. Christian drives out to where he lasts, so Bryce, and he's still sitting there. Bryce is sitting in his car. - Alive, by the way. I'm sorry, but he's alive and fine. He's just literally sitting there. 'Cause when I'm like, the first time I'm reading this case, I'm like, did he find Bryce not well, not conscious, a sleep overdose? These are the questions in my mind when I think about him driving up three hours later with three gallons of gas so able to move. My initial thought is, oh my goodness, he found Bryce, but Bryce wasn't well. But no, Bryce was fine. - Yeah, he's just sitting there. And I can only imagine what's going on through Christian's mind. Christian's like, "The heck?" Dows the phone, calls Karen. And he's like, here you go and hands the phone to Bryce. And according to Karen, Bryce is like, "No, I'm fine, mom. I'm good, nothing's wrong." And so Karen's like, well, you should get some gas and come home. And Bryce is like, share her from Karen's like, "Well, you're about three hours, "you'll be home three hours." And when I hear this story, I'm just like, what in the world is going on here? - 12 hours have passed and he's not at home or his apartment. Things are not well. And he's been sitting in his car motionless for three hours. Not getting gas, like he only has three gallons in his tank. You usually get gas, once you've run out of gas, drive somewhere and fill up the rest of your tank. He didn't get food. This is like, he's passed breakfast and lunch. He didn't drive somewhere to get food, coffee, nothing. And his parents are like, you good? We're good. - I mean, look, when Sean called mom, probably it would have been an overreaction to head down there at that point. When Kim calls mom, maybe it's an overreaction at that point. When you hear that the phone call you have with him is a lie because actually you hear hearing from Button Willow that he's had some sort of car trouble. I don't know. Didn't you find out he ran out of gas? Didn't you find out that where he ran out of gas? He's still sitting three hours later. If it's me, I would be on the phone, Christian, I would say Christian, I'll give you $1,000, stay exactly where you are. Do not leave him. I will be there in three hours. Don't go anywhere. - And I'm calling the cops too, for like a while this check. Right? Because I trust Christian because Christian's, like employee of the year over here, but also I'm calling him back up 'cause something is seriously wrong. He's sitting on the side of the road, staring straight ahead. Like, if I drove by, I'd be a little bothered thinking, that's not normal, like what's going on with that guy over there. - And just think about some of the other cases, if I had like in Morris case, as soon as it was found out she had disappeared, her dad was on the road heading there immediately. And Jason Landry, he has his car wreck. And the cops like, oh, it's no big deal. It's probably just a DUI walkoff, it'll be fine. His dad is down there before the sun comes up, finds the bag in like everything else. I mean, it's just on it immediately. The case that's escaping me, the young man in Minnesota, who gets in a car wreck, it's not really going to get a car wreck, he kind of ran off the road. And he's walking, he's trying to walk to the nearest place. His parents are coming out there immediately to try and meet him in the middle of the night. And Brandon Swanson, thank you, Sophie. Now, I mean, there's just all these cases. And once again, it's uncomfortable to talk about this because his parents obviously love their son and have lost their son. And you don't want to be critical of them, but the behavior that you see reflects something. It reflects something about this case. And it reflects something about what was going on in the background of this case. And at this point, the fact that with everything we've seen, the response of the parents is like, well, we'll see you in three hours to me, given that by the way, if he had left when he got gas, he would be there. He'd already be at their parents house. But instead, he's been sitting there on the side of the road for three hours. - And the frustrating thing over and over, we hear, of course, we don't have transcripts of these phone calls, but there is a running theme of what he says repeatedly. I'm okay. But he's the one saying it. No one around him is saying he's okay. In fact, everyone around him, including Christian, who doesn't know him recognizes that this guy, this boy essentially is 19, is not okay. It's like when you go to ER, like they ask you your pain level, but they're also assessing everything.
They're not just going to treat you for a broken bone by asking you if you're okay, right? They're going to take the X-ray. They're going to take the MRI and the doctor is going to come in and make sure everything's okay. Even if you're like, "I'm okay. I'm okay." And they're like, "No, no, your bones broken because we've done the assessment and it's clear you're not okay, so we're going to treat you that way." They don't diagnose you based on what you say. And repeatedly, the reason he's allowed to just go on despite everyone around him, those who know him very well, those who've met him for two minutes say, "Something's wrong. You're not okay." But by him saying the magic words, "I'm okay," he's allowed to just carry on when by carrying on, it's going to lead obviously to devastation. And I'll just say, "I think Christian would have stayed." I only probably wouldn't even have to pay anything to Christian. He drove back out of the counter three hours, right? I can imagine any other attendant just being like, "That was three hours ago. He's not back there and I have to man this whole store by myself. I'm not going to go out there." I think that's a good guy. If you're in Button Willow or in Virens and you have car trouble, look up Christian. That's great. That's great. Go to Castor and Tire because that's where you need to go. Okay. We've said a lot about this case already. We got a lot more to say. There are stranger things that are going to happen. This is not going to be the last time that people encounter Bryce. It's not going to be the last time Christian encounters Bryce. That's crazy. It's crazy. But what we're going to see is this endless drive of Bryce as he is now three hours away from his parents house. Many, many, many more hours are going to pass and he is not going to reach home. Like I said, this was going to take a couple of steps. Because I'm sorry, all of this, these are things that I feel like need to be addressed in this case. We're going to continue to do so in talk through the rest of this timeline and what may or may not have happened in this case. Alice, do you have time for questions or? We should definitely do a question. Okay. Let's do a question. All right. It's funny. When we said to do this case, I did not think he would be as infuriating as it is. But this is an interesting case. This is a great example of how Brett and I research cases independently and don't talk about them before talking. So we have not planned any of this. I did not know how Brett felt about the parents reaction at all. This was not part of our outline. Let's put it that way. Yeah. We're both picking up on the same thing. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I would like to thank pretty much anyone who looked at this case with a thing about this. But I didn't hear it anywhere. I think there are a lot of people out there who are hesitant to appear to be criticizing victims' families at all. And I suddenly get that. And I think, generally speaking, you should not criticize the victim's family unless you have like a really good reason. I don't think you should shy away from it if it's part of the story. I mean, if part of the story is the relationship with the family, the things that are going on the background, then I think that's something that you have to be willing to discuss. Or you're not doing the story justice, like your sugar-coating things to not be controversial or to not hurt people's feelings. But at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is Bryce and where Bryce is. And here's another thing. By not addressing or at least asking questions, because we don't have all the answers, you turn this into a mysterious case for the wrong reasons. It's an incredibly mysterious case. But I think sometimes for reasons that are not going to lead to the answers. I don't have the answers, but I think in asking questions and looking at it without kind of a preconceived notion of where this leads, those questions will get closer to the truth. But yes, this is a question. What was that? I said, let's answer a question. Let's answer some questions that we might know the answers to unlike this case. OK, this is from Lydia. And Lydia says, I'm an Irish listener. And here, if we want to change our constitution, a bill is proposed in parliament and then must go to public referendum. If passed, it's then signed into law by our president. My understanding in the US, you don't have to have a referendum and changes her voted on by both houses and then ratified by state legislatures without ever going before the people. But we have a referendum. Everyone in Ireland has given the opportunity to hear the information about the changes to literature, media advertising, etc. What are your thoughts on the Irish process versus the US process? Is that Article 5? Is Article 5 the amendment thing? I can't remember. But you're right on the… Yes. Ha ha. No, ow. What could you? Yeah. All right. You get the answer. If you remember, it's Article 5. All right. Lydia. And this is not meant as an insult because it's definitely not an insult. But let's be clear, Ireland is the size of like New Jersey. This is it be? I don't know. It's a small country, you know, and has a few million people. And that's great, right? The United States was always imagined to be this. What was going to be a massive country made up of states. And they were states in the way that you think of as like a nation state, right? So the initial idea was all these independent governments are going to come together under one sort of overarching government to tie us all together. And so our initial constitution, the Articles of Confederation, was actually very loose. And it was too loose. And it didn't work. And frankly, we all need to be separate if that's what we're going to do. So it was really, are we going to be separate, just separate nations kind of like Europe? I mean, most of the states are about the size of European states. Or are we going to be this united country when the decision was made to be a united country? There was a lot of respect given to the fact that the states were joining. And there was a lot of legitimate concern about democracy and pure democracy. And the founders were very much believers and sort of the platonic idea that pure democracy, that democracies are bad and that they tend to collapse into dictatorships and there's also some problems with democracy. So they're trying in designing the government to tamp down the excesses of democracy as well. So that's why we're a democratic republic. So the states all maintained a lot of control. At the time, senators, for instance, were not elected by the people. They were selected by the legislators because they represented the states. They did not represent the people. The states agreed to enter into the constitution and to bond themselves together. So the idea was if you're going to amend the constitution, the states that agreed to it should be the ones who make that decision. They should be voting through the legislature to decide. And so you have the democratic aspect. It's just filtered through elections to select the legislature and in the states themselves make the decision. That's why it is the way it is. Is that necessarily better than the referendum system? I'm not saying it is, but it is sort of the uniquely American way that reflects the history of our nation coming together. Well, such a good history, lesson. Thank you. I'm into this stuff. We just need to set it to a beat and you could have your own Broadway musical. There you go. There you go. How the referendum works, pure democracy, dictatorship. There you go. Or it could be like the am just being in capital. That was way better than how bill becomes a law. So there you go. Let me know what you think. It's surprising how many Americans don't realize that we're not a pure democracy either. Yeah. And look, the American system is very different from basically every system in the world. And that's what it was meant to be. Every civilization had collapsed in the eyes of those who wanted to build a new country. And they were trying to start something completely anew that would hopefully endure through the ages and wouldn't just be a generation. Success. It was supposed to last for all ages and be like the last beacon of hope because there were no more like there was no more or less to go. This was the last opportunity. And so they were trying to dream up something that could withstand the test of time. Yeah. I mean, honestly, the French Revolution in some ways was more influential than the American Revolution. I don't know that that was necessarily a positive given how the French Revolution went. And it made everybody's flags boring because everybody just based their flags on France's, the track color. It's like, they don't look as good as your flag in the wood. That's true. That's better. Yeah. Anyway, so that's the answer to that question. Okay. We got a lot more to talk about about Bryce LeSpesa. Let us know your thoughts, your complaints, your concerns, your email's prosecutor
[email protected] and prosecutor's pod for all your social media. If you would like to leave a question, lightly, if you leave a five star review on either the prosecutors or the prosecutors legal briefs, we will answer them eventually. If you want to see us record these episodes, join Patreon for as little as $3 a month. Somebody left Patreon because we started doing the vertical one. Now we're back side by side. So maybe they'll. Did they say that's what they look? They literally said that they join Patreon to watch and they don't like the vertical. And I was like, wow, okay. - Like in this, okay. - Well. - Truly shows. You cannot please every watch. - They've now set it up where it records in both. So it's fine. Anyways, or if you don't wanna see our beautiful faces, but you do wanna hear these episodes early and add free, once again, Patreon's probably $3 a month. All right, Alice, before we sign off for today, do you have any other thoughts? - I was pretty unfiltered today, so I hope that I'm getting myself in trouble or you. - You know what, a sour girl. - But I'm here, I'm not afraid. I'm here to comment and ask questions where I see there are questions to be asked. I don't have the answers, but I have lots of questions. - That's true. I'm a much better question-asker than I have a question answer. All right, guys, we'll be back next week with more on this case, but until then, Brett. - And I'm Alice. (upbeat music) - I came into my recording studio, AKA, just another closet in my house today, and I found a four-foot tall dinosaur. I don't even know which one. Some sort of raptor, a Native American costume with the head dress, a one glove, one singular glove. If it does not fit, you must have quit. And a Lego bazooka. - Oh wow, some sort of bizarre cosplay going on. (laughing) - I like even here, and I was like, (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Oh, and a sleeping bag. - And- - Not kids love to get their sleeping bags out. - And something from your child's birthday party. - Oh. - A- - Oh yeah. - A fan. - Fans are important. - So anyways, it's a whole party up in here. - Mm-hmm. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Not here! - All the thrills, all for free Pluto TV. Stream now, pay never.
PodcastTranscript AI