The Stewardship Shift That Strengthens Families, Not Just Finances | Dominick Anton

This is the Catholic Money Mastermind Podcast, the show where we explore the intersection of our faith and finances. You can learn more about our organization at CatholicFinancialPlanners.com. Please note that nothing in this episode should be construed as investment tax or legal advice. Hello and welcome everybody. I'm your host Ben Martinack with the Catholic Financial Planner's Network. I'm so excited to be here today as I always am. We get a chance, like show after show, to meet with new members of the Catholic Financial Planners Network. And just kind of learn more about their story and their background and what brought them maybe into finances, various things that they're passionate about. And we have just yet another great episode I believe lined up here with our guest Dominic Anton out of the Boise Idol area. So Dominic, if you would mind what could you just say hello to the audience and introduce yourself a little bit to everybody? Absolutely. Ben, thanks so much for having me on. Very much been looking forward to this podcast and this opportunity to spend some time with your audience here. So a little bit about myself. I've been an advisor since 2014. The name of the firm is Twin Rivers, wealth management. We are a fee-only independent RAA firm, certified financial planner, and love working with Catholics as they make decisions about their finances. Awesome. Well, Dominic, you're in the right place. This whole show is about talking to Catholics or folks if you're not Catholic, we walk them. So thanks for listening one way or the other. But we are the Catholic Financial Planners Network. So Catholicism is very near and dear to our heart. And other things, especially within the faith that are near and dear to our heart, is family life and family relationships and growing up childhood within families and then eventually going on and starting your own families and having children and just seeing this cycle of life repeat upon itself. And you know, something that we haven't chatted much about is just some of this notion of family life within your finances. And you know, we've talked about the intersection of faith and finances in a lot of different ways. But what we're kind of going to bring into today's conversation is the intersection of faith, finances and family. And maybe a particular way of the relationship in the family of our fathers, you know, our earthly fathers and the role that they have or the impact they have both positively and negatively. But also, talking about our Heavenly Father and the guidance and the mentorship that we receive through that and what is God asking of us in our own family life. And so, you know, somewhat much of this is really pertinent. We just went through the Christmas season and we have those feast days of the Holy Family. Jesus, Mary and Joseph are placed front and center for our consideration. Maybe somewhat relevant for you, Dominic. I know that we've seen a bit of a passing in your own life recently of your own father. And so you had been sharing, you know, just some of those that background and it just seems really pertinent for us to just talk about like maybe we could start things off with the ones earthly father and both the positive and negatives of that relationship. And so when you look back at your father and his recent passing, maybe to matters of faith or finance, do you have any thoughts that come to mind that you'd like to share? Yeah, no, absolutely. And those is quite, quite pertinent. Unfortunately, my father passed away on All Souls Day of last year and recently had the wonderful opportunity to go on a silent retreat and really have some time to spend with God. But it also received some clarity and some healing and that whole process. And one of the focuses of the silent retreat was the Sacred Heart. Incredible, beautiful opportunity. And funny enough, one of the verses that they reflected upon in the silent retreat was from the chapter, for the book of Mark chapter 10, or Jesus had the interaction with the rich man. And so I would kind of like to perhaps we just start off and kind of dive into that and then also have some reflections on what our Heavenly Father is calling us to. So as he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up, knelt before him and asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus answered, "Why do you call me good?" "No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments you shall not kill, you shall not let commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not defraud, on your Father and your Mother." He replied, "Teacher, all these I observed from my youth. Jesus looked at him, loved him, and said to him, "You are lacking in one thing, go sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will treasure in heaven." Then come follow me. So I'm going to pause right here. I feel like this is a place where a lot of people stop and can be a really big stumbling block and we'll continue on. But here we see this invitation of radical trust, of radical love, and unfortunately some of us grew up with fathers where that wasn't inherently part of the relationship. And if that's the case, that can very much shape our perception and our reality of what we believe God the Father's love is for us. And so as I was going on this silent retreat, I realized that there was so much more that I needed to understand about God the Father's love for me as an individual and my family as a whole. What's beautiful is throughout this retreat I had a number of moments where God was speaking to me through the memories that I have with my children. Dominica, if we could just real quick, I'd like to chime in and share a little bit of thoughts. I mean, what you're pulling in on this is that you can give away all that you have and you know, come and have treasure with me in heaven. And like at the end, you know, I mean our lives, like the real treasure, the real, the real financial reward, isn't any of this stuff that we're acquiring or accumulating. And even though it makes good sense for us to be smart with it and be good stewards and make good decisions, but like we can certainly get attached to it. And that's like what this whole push in the versus is like to detach, let go of all of that and realize the real reward for you, the real treasure for you isn't these things. It's it's meat and especially me in this relationship with you. Unfortunately, like family life, you know, nobody's perfect. And so what all of our parents have their shortcomings and difficulties and challenges. But you know, there are I think a degree of parents, you know, some two or a half and others and some have maybe less shortcomings than others. And so there could definitely opportunities for really challenged relationships and maybe, you know, maybe deep hurts or wounds. And really affect us and the future decisions, you know, we make to try to fill, fill those wounds. And you know, it's only it shades rather heavily that relationship with God potentially. And so we can start to maybe mistakenly apply to God the same relationship that we had with our own earthly father. And I suppose what you're wanting to communicate to us, Dominic is like, well look, look, that's, you know, hopefully you had a good relationship with your dad. But only if you did and like God the father isn't, you know, he should be better than that. Like that's what we believe. Right. And so maybe could you just share more about what you found in this retreat in these verses speaking to God's fatherliness? Yeah. No, absolutely. And you hit the nail on the head. Like I realized that, you know, some of those, you know, dynamics I had associated with my earthly father is very much associating with my heavenly father. And one of the great fears that I uncovered in this retreat is like, man, am I doing that same thing to my kids, right? And so like God is inviting us and calling us to this perfection. When we look at, you know, the next segment of this verse, people are questioning like, how can any man be saved? You know, God, you know, answers, you know, with for human beings, it is impossible, but not for God. All things are possible for God. There's this, this hope that we need to have and this trust that we need to have in our heavenly father. And, you know, God is calling us to us, you know, Jesus is calling us to his sacred heart. He's perfecting our hearts, our love, our understanding of his love. And there's a specific moment that I had in front of, you know, the blessed sacrament and, you know, through the spiritual direction I had received, you know, my spiritual director was like, hey, you give your father to Jesus. And I did that. I heard in my heart, Jesus respond with, don't stop there. Give me your mother too. And it was just a lot of healing in that moment, right? So God is, you know, constantly calling us to, you know, his, his sacred heart and deepening and perfecting our love. And we can't deepen and perfect our love without his presence and without his grace. It's impossible. Right. Yeah. I mean, Dominic was just coming to my mind here is to just a chat about it, this notion of generational woundedness and, you know, when it comes to finances and our families, like we want good things for our kids and we're wanting to put them up on a good pathway and a good trajectory. And, you know, not uncommonly part of that is obviously a good home and a good education and, you know, maybe an education, not just from kindergarten through high school, but, you know, good college education and we're saving for that. And, you know, we're doing all these things to get them ready, ready for life. But, you know, the truth is, is like those are almost, you know, second tier, third tier, because like the real thing is going to set them up and change them forever for in life. It's just the relationship you have with them and what kind of memories they'll have of you and especially as a father, but you know, both mom and dad in childhood. And, you know, you can do all the right things financially speaking for them, but, you know, I suppose if, you know, simply if you don't raise them well or maybe if they feel like a void of emotional loving support from you and have like this distant relationship as a result. All the things that you did otherwise financially are just for nothing because the thing that they really needed from you was that solid relationship. And maybe they're not getting it. Perhaps for anyone in the audience right now, just take a moment and pause and reflect on that. Because again, we can do all these financial things, but if we're not doing that, I mean, it's like, well, let's not just maybe even pause the financial things because we're missing the whole point here. And so like centering the sacred heart of Jesus is like, this is at the heart of what the family life needs to be. And maybe in a particular way, at the heart of what, you know, the dad or the husband needs to be in the hyper-unique being who are spouse or why are children. Perhaps a breaking like a generational wound, you know, maybe especially in a particular way, if your dad wasn't the easiest to the dad's, which is definitely what I could say to my own father. Like, maybe you're being called-- and Dominic, we can chat about this-- being called to step in and try to break some of that generational woundedness and to reset the course in terms of the relationship we're going to have with our own children. And so yeah, some of the thoughts that you have in mind is there anything that kind of comes to mind either in this notion of generational woundedness or at least making sure that we have the right relationship with our children where they're getting from us with the need? So there's a couple of, I think, really important fundamental and grounding principles in growing up. As a young child, my family was not practicing Catholic and we converted the faith a little bit later. And in my adolescent, so it was early teens. And so there's some very foundational Catholic knowledge that I don't feel like I had fully integrated. And the first of which is we are identity and our value is as a child of God. And so when you start there, it just changes the dynamic of everything. So as a father, I very much want my children to deeply know not just mentally, but in their heart, hey, I am a beloved child of God. When you know and understand that, it just changes the reality of everything. Prior to us starting, I think one of the challenges that I had experienced growing up is you feeling inadequate or insufficient. And of course, I never want my children to feel that way. And when you have that identity as a child of God, that eliminates a lot of that risk. I think the other thing that I would say is everything that we have that is good, our wealth, our health, you name it, all of that is a gift from God. And we're just called to be good stewards. I think when you fundamentally understand that, the reality surrounding money becomes very different. It's like, hey, God has all this money that is out there. There's tons and tons of money. Like it belongs to God. And he is just asking us to be good stewards. And so when we talk with our kids about money and about finances, if we communicate that way, it helps order their understanding of the reality that we are called to live out as Catholics. And then also fundamentally just being a good and loving father, that's attentive to their needs and engaged and cares for them. It's like that really helps nurture that connection and that deeper understanding with our Heavenly Father. So those are some of the immediate things that come to my mind. Yeah, and you know what's just coming to my mind too, because sadly, I love my dad, he passed away a few years ago too. And I think he did the best that he could. But there was definitely some serious deficits, if I'm not honest, about it. And I think others would probably acknowledge the same way. And like in a particular way. And maybe this is just like the changing of the times and the generations and really just perhaps how much we have seen an improvement in our own standard of living and finances and a move away from just simply surviving to where we're rather positioned now to be in a place of thriving. But when you're in like this survival mode fight or flight, there tends not to be this opportunity or place to have emotions, because they just kind of feel like they get in the way. And the whole focus is like we just got to survive. We got to survive. And there was just a harshness in the upbringing, in which it's like my dad wanted me to get ready for life. But it was like, you know, toughening me up and making sure of it. I had gotten ready and if I needed to be corrected, it was done. But it was, I can't say it was necessarily done in a loving way, it was done with good intentions. But at times very much left, you feel like there wasn't anything left to you. And so like there's this whole emotional side. You know, it applies both to men and women. That I think what I'm praying to bring attention to is that the relationship that we have with God is one where it's not just simply rules and regulations and duty and doing what's right and being virtuous. You know, although these are all good things too, like they all kind of go hand in hand, but like there's almost a comfortiness or a tenderness or a recognition, like as you're alluding to a damage, like this notion that you're a beloved son. But you know, no matter what, like even if you go way off and you're terribly wrong and you have made a mess of your life, like you still have beloved son in my eyes. And you know, I haven't gone anywhere. Like I'm still here still waiting for you to return, ready for you to come home. You know, just maybe to again speak openly about this, there can be unfortunately like the sternness, you know, like I'm gonna cut you off that you have. And maybe, you know, fathers are responding to that, they get back to this notion of generational windedness, like they're doing it because that's how they were treated or handled. And so like the whole transformational notion, if you're just like really bringing into your life, you know, the message that we have in the gospels, that this comes from the Psalms, but it's still just, it's applicable as like, you know, even if a mother were to abandon her child and one of the Psalms speaks, even if a mother were to do that, like I would never do that. That's how I feel towards you. Where some of these themes or items that we're coming about as you were reflecting, Dominic and in the retreat and maybe just being perhaps overwhelmed or blown away with like, "ash the love of God that he has for me, not just for us, but for me." - Yeah, one of the things that I was reflecting on is just, you know, the path of my life and how things have unfolded. Like if I had jumped in a time machine, you know, 15 years ago, I would have never have fathomed the fullness and beauty of life that I'm living and experiencing right now. And again, all of it is a gift from God and very, you know, deeply grateful. And so what you were alluding to earlier is like, "yeah, sometimes we have fathers who in their brokenness are trying to prepare you for the harshness of the reality and of the world and do it in a way where you can be successful and navigate the challenges of life." But if that tenderness and if that love was missing, it's very important that, you know, we understand that Heavenly or Heavenly Father is, you know, very much has that love and tenderness for us. And, you know, again, as I've seen my life play out, it's like, man, I could have never imagined the beauty and richness of what I have right now. And so there's just this like overwhelming sense of gratitude that I experienced on this retreat. It's like, man, I'm so incredibly lucky and just like being able to really, you know, savor that understanding is like, okay, yes, I'm truly a beloved child of God. Praise God. Well, you know, folks, it's so important, I think, when it comes to questions of finances, of money, but you're working with somebody who doesn't, hopefully, isn't it? I just simply, technically, astute when it comes to financial matters and give you good direction and tell you what a good investment process or approaches or understand tax implications to decisions. Like, one of the benefits of working with someone within the Catholic Financial Planner's network is we're working with people who also have this rich sense of the human condition and the human understanding. And the rich sense of our faith and what it is that we believe in what we're, what God is asking of us and we're responding to and you know, in life's not easy and these are, are these can be challenging and there certainly can be hurts and then these hurts can affect things and maybe ultimately impair your ability to make good financial decisions. But, you know, working with somebody who has this appreciation, this understanding, so it's not just technical competency but let's call it maybe like a softer tenderness. Like, it can be the thing that makes or breaks the whole financial relationship. So I'm just encouraging folks to, you know, consider working with Dominic as you're having this chat on this relationship and this role but also consider reaching out to the Catholic Financial Planner's network and just see if there's an advisor if it's a good fit for your situation and hopefully, you know, finding folks in which this is, you know, this is part and parcel of what we have of this in terms of conversations there within the network. Dominic, there was a second verse that you had shared in the retreat that was really picking out and you had meditated upon and with this part and center for you and that you might maybe sharing that that verse with us now. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And before we jump into that, if I could take a one step back in terms of, you know, that tenderness, I think when matters of, you know, finances is super important and there's oftentimes a missed opportunity to communicate with your spouse surrounding finances. That's where working with, you know, a great financial planner who has your common faith beliefs can be incredibly helpful because, you know, they can really provide a constructive path forward and get you and your spouse, you know, on the same page and understanding and rowing the boat in the same direction, right? And, you know, I think when it comes to your communications surrounding your finances with your spouse, like it's important to talk about, it's important to pray about it too. I mean, your finances can oftentimes be a pathway for the future ahead and we want to make sure that pathways pointed towards heaven. It's an opportunity for sanctification and I think, you know, a very common trap that I see with, you know, a number of couples is like, you know, you're busy, you're raising kids, you know, an intense career and like one, the couple will delegate one spouse to be the primary decision maker and that's of it and that's where it stays. But it's like, man, that's such a missed opportunity. It's like, you know, the other spouse who's barely keeping the head above water, they don't need to know everything. But they should have that high level understanding and be able to communicate effectively surrounding the decisions that need to be made and also, again, inviting the Holy Spirit in the discussions surrounding the finances because they do have long-term effects in the path forward. So, did one make sure to bring that up before I forgot? Dominic, while you get the verse right there, I wouldn't mind just trying to mean in and sharing then, you know, some of the thoughts. It's, you know, the relationship between a husband and wife and within spouses is always an interesting one because it's naturally enough, usually one person takes the lead on in various aspects of life. And it's not like something that's equally the domain of both is one that takes the heavy lift, you know, maybe 75% of it and the other one. It gets shared but not to the same extent. And I certainly know that to be true in my situation, I know it to be true in a lot of the kind of situations. In some ways, it just makes sense. It's good effectiveness, good efficiency. You know, when you do have things that can get maybe lopsided in that arrangement, especially the person who isn't as informed, can potentially just be completely taken out of all financial matters or questions. And, you know, the other individual makes handles everything. And although maybe the one person doesn't want to be heavily involved, that naturally kind of delegating good portion of this to one of the spouses like to completely take the other person out and then just almost turn them into like a child and you'll get an allowance or I'll say what you have like that's not exactly what we're going for here either. And so the importance and the value of there to be a mutual collaboration and communication and dialogue and making sure that both of you are at least aware of what's going on and have a say in the relationship. I mean, I think that's just so so important because at the end of the day, financial matters are complicated matters and you can work with a trusted advisor and individual to help guide you on that. But, you know, none of us see everything. And so having other people to bring counsel in, maybe that other person is just simply the spouse. We need to give them a voice too. Even if this isn't their domain or their forte, we want them to have their say so we can kind of just double check our own thinking on things. And it's not just to give them that say, it's just to make sure of it where a unit here working together, hopefully for a common goal. So, yeah, hopefully we do see those things at place and maybe if there's some struggle or challenges, you know, I do think to some extent a good advisor can help work through those, although perhaps the ideal person is a marriage therapist if this is, you know, severe enough. But I'd definitely know in a lot of our conversations with clients, the marital, I don't want to say tiffs, but the end of things come up. And people at least wonder they know that they have when they appreciate working with us as having a chance for both maybe have a mille to say and speak that they wouldn't feel as comfortable, especially that spouse who has that smaller role wouldn't feel as comfortable voicing themselves because they maybe don't have, don't feel like they have the opportunity for it. So, like a great part of that relationship is a chance to give someone the, you know, the ability to to speak in a way where they can do so safely and with full support, like they're given the permission, like now is your time to say something. But Dominic, yeah, I'm looking forward to your second verse. I mean, let's you have some additional thoughts here to my own. Yeah, no, I mean, I think one other thing I will say is you brought up, you know, the hurts that can change your perspective about, you know, the Heavenly Father, but also, you know, finance related decisions and like it is as a spouse, it is important for you to be aware of not only your own personal, but your significant others as well. And, you know, we as advisors, like we have the incredible benefit of working with not just, you know, one household, but tons of households and years and years of experience. So, just like being able to tease that out and understand that and, you know, orient the conversation away, that's, you know, constructive and healthy and ordered. That's what we love doing, you know, just the transformation take place. Like if you never order for the advisor in the past and there's a little bit of friction, like, you know, that can be natural, but getting couples again, moving in the same direction, working together as a team, like it's just really amazing as an advisor to be on that journey with them and just, you know, see the fruit of that over the, you know, long term. It's a great privilege position that we have to be with folks, right? It's such a, a best all of trust because it's such a, well, it can be, it's just an intimate matter, right? And we just don't feel comfortable broadly talking about financial matters, money matters, money. And so to have someone come to you saying I'm willing to talk about that with you is like a, like they're really saying like I'm opening up, you know, our training isn't necessarily for some of that software stuff, per se. You know, we know the technical things pretty well, right? But then there's just this whole other human component, which is what we're really getting at, like I mean, a lot of our financial affairs aren't just what smart decisions are what are the, what's the mathematics or the statistics say? The other part of us has to go along with this and be comfortable with it and, you know, good advisors able to touch upon it. But I'd like to kind of just continue the Dominic that theme of the impact for a father house and finances and the relationship and, you know, the challenges, naturally enough, again, there's always shortcomings within any, within your relationship, within any, any parent, nobody's perfect. In some ways, there's maybe always a need for counseling, yeah, at least for something to be processed and talked about. And, you know, the level of that can range from mild to severe, but, you know, in the more severe situations that really, you know, can be really rather daunting to work through. But, you know, what was the other person really spoke to your mind at least to not give you inspiration to the Heavenly Father? So it's the scene of the multiplying of the Lose and Fishes and this is specifically from the book of John and in the other Gospels, it doesn't necessarily mention the source of the Lose and Fishes, but John specifically does mention, you know, where these Lose and Fishes came from. And so if we look at chapter 6 verse 9, it says there is a boy here who has five father loves and two fish, but what good are these for so many? I honed in on that and I could very much relate and see my own son who's six years old, Damien, being in the situation. Now, it says that there was a boy. It doesn't say that, you know, there's a man or a woman. So one must deduce from that. He was probably traveling alone and his parents probably sent him with these Lose and Fishes to go to his aunt's house and deliver them, right? But he heard the words of Jesus, got a little bit distracted. And what does he do? He takes what he has and gives it generously as this gift. And again, you know, going back to that theme, you know, of, you know, feeling of inadequacy or, you know, insufficientness, what does Jesus do here? He receives that gift of love and he multiplies it to feed the multitude of people. And I believe that is the radical trust that God is asking of us. You know, is it, is it financial related? Yeah, yeah, sometimes it certainly is, but there's other opportunities for us to trust in his, his grace. Maybe it's, you know, reaching out to try to fix a broken relationship or maybe it's, you know, something else that God is calling us to. But again, like that, that is like the heart of what I believe our call is. And that was a wonderful, you know, scene in my mind, because again, I could, I could place my son, you know, in that little boy shoes of like, Hey, here's, here's what I have. Yeah, I could totally see my son, Damian doing that exact thing. Yeah, I mean, it's just a really beautiful element within Christianity. And, you know, we're just coming through again, the Christmas season, in just a few weeks ago. And, you know, Jesus is a toddler, right? And swaddling clothing and in the manger and just like the humility of God coming to love among us. And I just simply to become a young baby, but to be born in such humble conditions and to be like a feeding draw three animals. And I think just so much about this is like, wow, you know, and just like that God can communicate and does communicate to us in just like the simplest and humblest of conditions and ways that are really unexpected. And it may be to continue the thought to the, the source of the multiplication of the lows and the fishes comes through yet another unexpected source. It's through a young boy, you know, and it's like, yeah, that's not the person, right? Who's going to feed this whole crowd? That's not what he would turn to or expect. And yet, you know, in the parable, or the story, I mean, this is this is the person, right? I mean, this is what happens. And so I should say the gospel narrative. And so it's just like, you know, it's just like this consistent theme of God working miracles in ways that we that kind of profound us. And they're not our ways, you know, there are his ways, but they still, they still work. You know, I have here more recently, just the story of it's coming to mind that I won't go into all the details of it, but it's related to a story in my family in which there was only a something not working correctly malfunctioning. And on the face of it, it seemed like a dang on it. There's something's not working again. And it's just like there's this headache and the frustration and like, like we want things to work. Why can't life just be simpler, easier with, you know, not as much hardship really. And yet in this particular situation, it was actually the thing not working correctly. If it was a bit of a saving grace that led to this even greater benefit. And so I know maybe I'm teasing the audience a little that you're probably curious. I want the details are all I'll have to share in another another episode. But like it was like the initial detour and unpleasantness actually was what opened the door for something rather remarkable to take place. And so, you know, it's just easy for us, I think to initially respond to things and just be like, I want a simpler, I want an easier life, I want things not to be so difficult and complicated. But for good or ill, like that's not, that's just not how life is, it's not how we are. And if we have things too simple, it kind of ruins us really. And in some ways it deprives us of God and what he can do for us. And so I'm kind of curious if you have maybe some thoughts. I know we're or maybe not necessarily the one something we had chatted about before, but is it any of that kind of reflector hit home to in your own situation or maybe it's specifically with the gospel narrative we just went over? - For me, like one of my aha moments is in knowing that we have our own ideas and expectations of ourselves, but when we turn and give what we have to God, he loves and relishes that. And I just had to think about the drawings and letters that my young kids will write and draw for me. The words are misspelled, the horses are kind of funky and misshapen and like wrong colors, but like all of them are beautiful and perfect. And when we give what we have to God and his eyes, those gifts are just beautiful and perfect, right? And again, like that overflows into everything we do. I mean, we have an opportunity when we make decisions around our finances, like to orient us, like okay, we're gonna do this and we're gonna give it to God in the way that we can. And God's eyes, that's beautiful and perfect. It doesn't matter if you're not gonna be able to hit a certain tithing goal or fully satisfy a certain metric which we're trying to hit. God can take that and multiply an abundance of graces to come through that whole gift because it's given with love. - Thank you so much Dominic. I think that really just captures everything that we shared specifically in that verse, but even just the story of our lives. And again, there's such as a strong Christian theme of like returning back to our childness. Not childness is probably the wrong term, but the simplicity of our lives as children and just giving ourselves over to our parents and to their guidance and just what comes from children, right? I mean, it is truly remarkable in touching and just so eyes, but for whatever reason, you know, as we age, sometimes I start to get lost and then there gets to be maybe some hardship or challenges. And some of that's only in response to life and life isn't obviously always so easy, but yet I don't know, this is just a perennial message of Christianity, harcaning us back, you know, to respond to God as a child. So I love such the focus that you have here on family life, begin a theater section of not just peace and finance but the family. You have a new initiative too, but I just would like to kind of have you here and tell us about it. It seems like it's just up and coming. It should be released actually made public so a new website that Dominic, can you just share a little bit with the audience what this is all about? Yeah, absolutely. So the name of the website is Catholicfamilyfinances.com. Very excited about it. And really just helping to break down the financial planning process with that Catholic faith perspective and that faithful lens. So the website's gonna have resources that more fully explain that process. And yeah, just again, I love working with Catholic families. Like there's just this instant connection that I find that I have when there's that shared values. And it opens the door to very deep conversations, not just about money, but about life and the relationship of a creator. Yeah, very excited about this. Yeah, and it's just a whole other dynamic or a facet to the relationship, right? And it's a point of like human connection. Again, a good advisor can probably speak to any of these technical matters. At least that's what we'd hope. That's kind of table stakes. So much of our life isn't just, money is just this thing, you know? It really isn't all that thing. All that's anything to get all that excited or interested in, to be honest, but like the humans who were behind money and the families who were behind money, now that's really fun and exciting and the way they can be impacted. And it's kind of a theme that we've been chatting about like they're just the relationship and the role that parents can have on their children. Especially in a particular way, I think the role that a father has on his children, you know, can really make or break, you know, the family in such a way. And you know, at the end of the day, we all have our individual, individuality and our ability to respond to God's grace in our own way and our own terms. And so just, because maybe things didn't start off on the right foot and child doesn't mean it has to be at the end of the story. It's fun, mainly not what we believe. But it does make a big difference, you know? But if from day one, what's coming through your earthly father is more reflective of what we hope to have a father to be even. The trajectory of the pathway you're setting forward for your children can make or break things, you know? And again, putting the finances in the right place in itself isn't enough. It's also kind of putting the human in the right place. And so hopefully a good advisor can speak to both components of this, the money component but also the human component. So it sounds like that's just part and parcel of your work, Dominic. And so if someone wants to reach out and work with you and at least inquire to learn more, where should they go to find you? - Yeah, no, I go to CatholicFamilyF finances.com. I do have a scheduling link embedded on that website so you can schedule time and always have it a chat. - Awesome, well, Dominic, thanks so much for being on the call. Audience, thank you so much for being with us again too. We just love having you here with your participation. And hopefully this has been a good message for you. Again, if you're looking for advisors who reach out to the Catholic Financial Plannerist Network, continue to grow more and more every month. It's really, and so what we've seen this from day one, it's just always a marvel to see what's happening and we just trust in God's plans and everything, but just a wonderful thing. So if you're looking for a good Catholic financial advisor, be sure to reach out to the Catholic Financial Plannerist Network but also be sure to reach out to Dominic. What a great guy. What a good conversation we had the day, especially on Family Life and relationships with Dad, which are always a little tough to some extent, but I'm so glad to hear that you're doing everything you can to make sure of the relationship you have with your children. It's everything that can be with God's grace and faith. So for everyone who's been here today, thanks for listening. Dominic, thanks for being on the show. Thanks so much, Ben. My pleasure.