The Spirituality Episode

Wait, God? Is that you? Knockin' at my door! You didn't like that? So loud, good God, so loud Spirituality comin' for you, can't you see? We're different genres, I think, all three of us. You guys are in, like, screamer bands. I haven't somersaulted since gymnastics. I used to take gymnastics, have to do the balance beam. Where's she going? I don't know. Chuck, that cookie was delicious. Where is she going? Wasn't that cookie delicious? It was a great cookie. Chuck, I wish one day we woke up and they were just like, you know what, fried chicken, french fries, like, best thing for you. Yeah, or you didn't gain any weight. I guess I don't gain a lot of weight when I eat those things, but I still gain weight now. A little bit. What are you doing? Getting the paper? I'm checking the mail, because I was thinking as you guys were talking about, like, somersaults or tumbling, how I never check the mail, and I actually have a few loose ends with the government. What are you talking, what? What do you mean? I never check the mail either, ever. Mail is absolutely pointless. I don't even understand what it is. It's like, it's so, it's like so archaic. It's like. Well, how do they. We're gonna, it's, there's so many. There's so many letters. How can they keep track, like, oh, like, and they have, like, full track of everything. Do you know when I open my mailbox, I instantly take everything and immediately throw it into the track? Yeah, there's nothing you ever need. I don't even open my mailbox. You definitely don't. I don't. It gets stuffed and someone's like, hey, do you ever check your mail? And I say, oh, no, I, like, forget that that's a thing that. But that's not the biggest loose end. What is? The biggest loose end is jury duty. When you need to have jury, like, when you get a jury summons, it's only by mail. Did you know that? I've never been to jury. Well, you wouldn't know because you don't check your mail. I did it last year, first time. When you go, I went there and, look, they call way more people than what they need, so, and I really didn't want to do it. Like, I would want to serve as a juror on, like, the OJ case or some important case, but, like, a small, you know, local. What was the case? Something about a car accident. People were so disgusting. They tell you the case? Yeah, the two people involved were like, this is what happened, and, like, people, like, it was, like, a car accident-based thing, and, like, one person. would be like. The judge would be like, is there any reason why you can't do this? And they would be like, well, I did. I was in a car accident, like, ten years ago, and there's so much trauma for it, so I don't think I can have, like, a clear head for this. Like, and everyone was, like, saying things like that. To lie. Yeah. I wanted to be like. I wanted to lie and be like, I don't know, like, I, like, I side with, like, the rich, or, like, I side with the poor, or, like, I'm racist, or I'm sexist. You can't say. I can't say any of that, obviously. Well, it's illegal. Oh. I think you have to, like. Like, swear to God, or swear. What if I don't believe in the God? I mean, I don't not believe in God, but that's ridiculous. Or you have to swear. It's insane that in any courtroom, when they, like, say, like, are you not lying, they say, would you swear, like, right hand on the Bible? Like, aren't. I don't think I. I don't think they do it anymore. You do. Wait, to God? No, the Bible. Well, it's the same thing. It's like, what is the Bible? I mean, I know what it is, but it's like. What if, like, I'm Jewish, like. What if someone said, like, the Bible has no importance to me, so there's something else? But I don't even feel that way, necessarily. I haven't thought about it. I'm just saying. I also think it's ridiculous that society, we've. Christianity is so fundamentally institutionalized in the United States that that is the default thing to do in, like, the legal system. Think about that. I haven't even thought about that. You know, I'm so petrified from when I was a kid. I was, like, taught, like, not to write. You're not supposed to write God. So I've, like. Never written it. I write it. I still write it, like. G-Dash-D? No, G-A-W-D. What do you mean you can't write God? You're not supposed to. Says who? In Jewish culture. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You're not supposed. What, do you believe in God? I believe that energy, not in, like, a woo-doo-hooey. What's the. What do they say? Woo-woo? Woo-woo way. But, like, truly that, like, we all came from, like, dust and particles and that it's, like, whatever makes a star a long time ago, like, we're all made of the same thing, and we're just made of these atoms, and atoms. And energy can never be. What is the energy. Created or destroyed. Yeah, so I'm, like, there's something going on with energy. That's all I got to say. So the answer to the question is you don't not believe in God. You don't know. What, do I believe in one man? No, I don't think. I didn't. I said, do you believe in God? God doesn't have to be a man. It could be a woman. Since when? It could be whatever your interpretation is. Don't act like people are going around talking like God is a woman. Except Ariana Grande. What do you mean? There's literal songs. Like, you can. You can. It's your interpretation of whatever it is. Like, I don't believe there's a man in the sky, but I believe in God. What do you believe is God? Yeah. What do I believe? I believe that there's, like. I believe that there's some force out there that's helping guide, like, what's happening and what's not. There's too many coincidences, like, or for that to be, like, just science. Like, there's too many. What? Oh, sorry. Whenever you're done, I have a question. Okay. So what about the disasters and tragedies that happen to people? I think that's. That stuff is just, like, I don't know the answers of why that happens, and I find myself asking, like, I'm like, why God? Like, and I'll, like, say, I'll be like, why would you. You know, like, when I see someone walking down the street who's, like, disabled and is, like, going through a time that's, like, looks like it's so hard for them to live, I'm like, why would. If God exists, why would God do that to someone? Or, like, when a kid dies when they're so young, I'm like, why would God do that? And I understand that. And I've had a lot of my friends. I've had friends who have kids that die, and it's like. They spend a lot of time searching for the reason why, and I don't know the reason why, but I do believe there's just so many things that have happened. Coincidentally? No, it's just, like, too many things for coincidence, and there's, like. Do you know that the human nature is kind of wired to think that this stuff is coincidence when it's just kind of not? Like, your brain is wired to kind of act like you're always looking for meaning, which is why religion really helps. Because you need an answer for why, and also religion really helps with people going through hard times. Well, yeah, everyone's looking for meaning because they're scared of dying. Like, that's why people pray. That's why people look for hope, because they're afraid of dying. Like, personally, I'm, like, so afraid of dying. Really? Yeah, Selena's 0% afraid of dying. She doesn't care. She's been through a lot of hard stuff. She doesn't care. Yeah, I'm scared of dying. You're not scared of dying? No, I don't want to die. I really like life. But I also get a lot of comfort in knowing that, like, we're all really in. Insignificant. When you're born and when you die, there's chemicals released in your brain that are the same as the effects of DMT. So, like, when you die, like, right before you die, you have, like, the best trip of your life. And I always think, like, I don't know, like, do you believe in, like, afterlife? I think we have no fucking clue. Like, we don't even know what a. We can't even figure out what consciousness is. Like, we don't even know if this is what we're. What we're experiencing is, like, actually. They can figure out a lot of stuff, but they just can't quite understand what makes consciousness consciousness. Like, if it's the more complex, like, cells become, they, like, enter this state of consciousness, what has consciousness, what doesn't have consciousness. So who knows if there's an afterlife? We may just be, like, a continuation of whatever this is, but we'll never know until we transcend to that. Question. What do you think, and I don't know the answer, the majority of, like, the world thinks God is? Jesus is dad? Jesus is dad. What's, like, to the. Like, what is the goal of God? Is God, like, creator of Earth? Did God create Jupiter as well, is one question I have? Did we ever talk. Don't ignore. No, no, I'm saying, do we know? Like, yeah, Chuck, I don't even know if God. What do you mean, do we know? Is God supposed to have created Jupiter? That's what I'm saying. I don't know if God is. I don't know. I thought, like, just Earth. Here, my. So, my POV, the only POV I have is that nobody. God created the universe. The universe. Yeah, that's. But the universe is ever-expanding, like, and it could be within other universes, if I'm not mistaken. Well, God created all the universes. Yeah. Is that so? I think that's what's. I think that's what's thought. Okay. But there's different gods. I think it's thought. Yeah, like, some people have multiple gods. Yeah. You know? And, like. There's a lot of wars fought about which god is the right god, right? Do you believe in heaven? I don't believe in anything, honestly. Oh, so you don't believe in God? I don't not believe in God. I have no idea. And all I believe in is that nobody has any idea. Anyone that claims. But people do have some ideas. Like, science isn't. Science does tell us some things. It can take you to wherever. Yeah, we don't know what's past. And then that just could be the tip of the iceberg of what this whole thing. At any point, an alien can come down here and be like, you thought this was what was going on? This is what's going on. And everything totally changes. So, I just. It's not that I don't care. It's just I feel so far from, like, having true confirmation of what's going on that I don't think about it. Now, it's a luxury not to think about it because, you know, I think people who are experiencing more hardship need something to lean on and have faith in. I don't really have to think about things on a day-to-day level. But you are Jewish, so you did believe in something. I think he just believes in the tradition. I'm looking up right now if God's real. and I'm so mad because it won't, do my G-dash, I can't say it, so now I have to write God for, I think, the first time in my life. It's part of Judaism that you can't write G-O-D? No, I don't know about that. And for me, Judaism was a wonderful cultural experience that I really appreciated and feel like it instilled values in me as a human being. But as far as just the pure understanding of the ways of the world, I just feel like it's so complex beyond anything close to what we're able to. It says there's no proof or disproof. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, can you really argue with me? Does anyone actually. No one knows anything. Scientists know things to an extent, but then anything can change like that. There's a lot of unanswered questions. They don't know why atoms behave differently. I think it's kind of bizarre if, at least historically, you had to swear on this one thing of God or the Bible. It's kind of just a little preposterous, in my opinion, to force such a belief on someone when clearly the only thing we. We know is that no one knows anything. Domino's lava cakes, they allow for a mix-and-match scenario. Ooh. A flight of three. Do you know what that means? You have three different times where you can make a choice, s'mores or chocolate. Mix-and-match. How many different iterations can there be? Not much. I'm not a mathematician. Yeah? Well, there could be. But I am a s'mores-metician. Show the cream towards the. Ooh. You know what it reminds me of? Domino's. No, it's Dom. No. How is that different than what I said? You went Dom. Domino's. What, Dom. Mmm. I love Domino's. You can get three Domino's lava cakes when you mix-and-match any two or more menu items. Do you believe in, like. Are you spiritual? I believe something could certainly be afoot. I don't. I'm not like a nothing. But are you just, like, spiritual? Like, do you believe in, like. Like. Like, destinies and fates and karmas and. I, like. I don't know. Like, I. I'll tell you. You know what? I went to a fortune teller one time, and they told my fortune completely correct, and I was shocked, and it made me, like, you know. What do you mean? One time when I was living in San Francisco, I was, like, with friends, and there was a fortune teller advert, and they were like, let's go to the fortune teller. And I was about to put all my music out for the first time in my life, and I was like, I'll go in there and see if any comment could vaguely apply to, like, my musical pursuits. I was wearing nothing interesting. I looked like I could have worked at, like, an accountant's firm. You still look like that. No, I think now I look like I'm, like. A cooler. Doesn't matter. No, look like a normal middle-aged man. At the time, I walk in there, she goes, like, oh, you've got a really long lifeline. It says you're going to live to 108. I said. I said, oh, okay. She said, you must be really creative. I just stared at her, and then she said, in 2013, you're going to receive fame for your music. People are going to come out of the woodwork left and right and tell you what they think you should do, but remember, your instincts are what got you there in the first place. Did you even. Did you even know you were going to make music? I was. I had just made all the Lil Dicky stuff. I was two months away from releasing it. No. And there for her to be, like, you're on to something good in life, and, like, apply it. Instead, she was, like, this year, you're going to get famous for your music. That's great. I could have been, like, music? I don't make music. I'm an accountant. Yeah. So when things like that happen. That's crazy. And, like, I do kind of, like, you know. I don't know if I believe in karma, but, like, you know, I don't know. I believe in, like. I don't know what I believe. I don't know. It's so overwhelming that I don't even, like, kind of think about it, and I just go on with my tasks and my pursuits. What does that mean about me? Chuck, I like it. Yeah. Chuck, you know, one time, I was in Las Vegas with Ashlyn, and she said. We were going in. We were on our way for, like, a book tour, and we went into Vegas, into the casino. She said, hey, I'm getting a strong number right now. And she said, like. I was, like, 16 or something. And I said, what do you mean you're getting a strong number? She said, my psychic just told me, like, we have to bet it. And I said, okay. And we, like, went in, and we won, like, $30,000 betting on the number. And then literally, I walked out, and I was like, that's insane. Text your person back. And she was like, wow. And then she was like, does Benny have a red guitar? And I literally grew up. My first guitar was red. And it was, like, the thing I practiced, and, like, what brought me into music. And then I was like, oh, my God, ask her more stuff. And then she said. She goes, I swear to God. She said, Benny's going to need knee surgery soon. And I said, all right, stop asking her questions. That's so scary. She said I was going to need knee surgery. Yeah, I wouldn't even play in the sports. I don't know. Did you need? I don't know. She just said it. You didn't need it? Have you ever seen a sidekick? Just shut up. Go on to the next thing. Okay, here's. Same thing. I have a really. I don't know that. When I asked my parents, I asked my mom when I was a kid, mom, what's the point of life? Instantly, she said, to reproduce. That was her instant answer. Really? So, a part of me thinks spiritual. Like, I kind of feel like I've lived my life totally avoiding thinking about any of this, and that when I have children. I want to ask my mom right now. Keep going. And when I have children. I will kind of really understand a different level of. Don't you just want to know why? Like, sometimes I just want to. Like, I'll be walking, and I'll be like. I just want to. Like, when you really start diving deep. Like, they know that there's, like, whatever, like, 200 million planets like Earth that, like, rotate around a sun that, therefore, could have, like, humans on it, but we don't even. Because of, like, the speed of light and how long the universe has been around, we would never even know. We could have just, like, missed the other humans by. I believe there's definitely. 10 billion years. For me, there's definitely life outside of Earth. Why wouldn't there be? Why does God have to limit his, like, you know, shit on the Earth? Well, no one's saying there's no life outside of Earth, are they? Oh, I guess. No, but. It's like. I feel like. Perhaps. Maybe I'm wrong. I really know nothing about what I'm talking about, but I feel like. I feel like a part of religion is feeling like Earth is prioritized by God. Like, I don't. But. Or, like, man. Man and woman. No, that's my beef with some. Now, I don't have any beef with organized religion. Much respect to it all. Much respect. My only issue is sometimes it feels like that they prioritize. I don't want to get into it. The afterlife more than the present life? Afterlife I know nothing about. Anything's possible. I could die, start over again. I could die, be a roach. I could die. Chuck, if you could come back as anything, what would you want to come back as? You get two. Three things. Always human. Why would I want to be lower on the cognitive chain? Well, you don't know what else. What if we don't understand that, like. No, it's all the things that you understand right now. Except you could come back as God if you want to. No, you can't come back as God. I take it back. I'm sorry, God. Because my life has gone so kind of. Ideally, at every turn, my wildest dreams come so true. I'm at the love of my life. My best friend is, like, the most positioned person to advance my actual career. So many things have. What? This is not a setting, like. Oh, I love him. He's so good. No, you can advance his career. I think that's my best friend. I, of course, love you. I love you enough to be my best friend. And then you happen to be talented enough to. Like, there are things that coincidentally have happened to me that are so. What my wildest dreams would be that sometimes I think I am living. Like, if there are multiple lives. This is, like, the fourth iteration of the best one. I'm in the best one, and I'm prioritizing the wrong things, and I have a fear of dying. And then, like, going up and, like, God being like, that's what you thought? Like, I gave you the. You gave me the perfect life, and that's what you did with it? Like, you blew it. And then I come back as, like, a roach. And you just. Oh. What are we supposed to be doing? Reproducing, says my mom. That's the point of life, she said. And that's also in line with how I feel. No, I think. What? Having kids. No, people are. That's not. That's not necessarily. My mom said it's the most. I asked my mom, I said. You don't have to have kids. I asked my mom, and she said. I said, what's the best thing you've ever done in your life? And she said, have my children. She said, it's the only thing. I knew I wanted to do since I was a kid. And she said. And she said, when I, like, actually did it. She said, it's, like, the biggest blessing in the world. A lot. I've heard that kids are very purpose-filling. But I also think that there's a. There's a reality where the only meaning of life is to kind of just exist, and it's, like, kind of a myth that we think we deserve happiness at all times. And kind of just. Because if you think about, like, how we've evolved as humans, it used to be survival was, like, the biggest focus. And now that we're, like, so far advanced, we have, at least for me, so much. Like, we're not worried about how we're going to eat. We're not worried about. And honestly, living in America, I hate to say, obviously, we have a lot more privilege than other countries where they do have to worry about, like, just basic survival. So I think that. We're optimizing. I think that. Yeah, I think sometimes the purpose of life is to just survive. I wonder how stupid we sound to, like, people listening. I don't think that was stupid. No, no, no. I'm just saying, like. I'm not talking about you. I'm just talking about, like. We do sound stupid, but. But everyone is. But I think everyone's just as stupid. Because if someone says that they know something, they're lying. Yeah. Let's just go outside. That's good. Cult leaders? Yeah, always. Did you ever see that thing, the documentary Kumade? No. So there's this documentary about this guy who's like, I just feel like gurus and all these guys are, like, so fake. And he decided to, grow his beard out he was an Indian man decided to grow his beard out and become a fake guru and he like got thousands of followers and he would like talk to them and then at the end of the documentary he was like I'm just kidding guys like I'm not a guru and they were like we don't care they were like we just believe like you gave us so much hope we don't even care if it's fake well I think people always kind of need something to believe in Yeah, it's like religion. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you could, could you not argue that some religions are like cults? Yeah, for sure. It's kind of what it is. If it's an organized religion, it's. For sure. Do you think you could, do you think you could, like, Chuck, do you think you could start a cult? Like, do you think you could get so many followers? No. You don't? No. No. Chuck, you don't think you could get so many people to just, like, follow you and do whatever you say? No, no, no, I think I, if I were to, I think I'm always being myself, and I just feel like I explain my true self as someone who so clearly believes in not knowing anything. If you were starting a cult, though, what would your, like, how would you get people to join? I don't know. I mean, I'd have to be acting and lying, and, like, the only way for me to do this ever would, like, I'd have to be, like, shooting a more long-form, like, documentary. Let's say you were shooting a long-form thing. What? If I. You want to go inside? Uh-huh. Okay. Hey, did you guys know that Ollie. Pop is back with brand new but retro packaging? I see it. Did I ever look at this? Are you out of your mind? Look how cool this is. I think I got the best one, of course, right? It's very artsy. Very cool. Very retro. It's both new and old. It makes me so happy. I don't want to. Chuck, you ever seen a little window? Yeah, I mean. Oh, how did you. Yeah, mine has a window. Wow, that is sweet. They might have always had this window. Oh. I'm just saying, in general, mine is. Is it just for a peek? Hit it, Kristen! Oh, buy any two cans. Have Ollie Pop in store, and they'll pay you back for one. Any flavor, any retailer. Go to drinkolliepop.com slash fks. We did it. We respect you. How would you get me to join your cult? I think I'd. Give me your tagline. I'm like, oh, I'm really lost. I think I'd say, you've been doing it all wrong. Why? Why? Yeah. Every day, are you happy? No. Every day, I'm happy. You are? Yeah, because I. How? I've just learned a few things that not many people have access to. I've learned that information, and I apply the principles that I'm happy to show you, and every day, you'll be happy. Really? Are you a young boy? What are the things? Well, I can't take it this far. I have to do, like, I have to write a whole thesis on. Tell him what you would do to him. Where do I live? You live out on the ranch. You live out on the ranch with me. Really? Yeah, there's. I don't know. We're still doing this. Do you pay for things? No. You pay for things. Do I fuck you? No, it's not sexual at all. Yet. No, I would not ever. Okay, now, Mochi, you pitch. You pitch. Oh, to get you to join my cult? Yeah. Hey. Hi. How are you? I'm good. Ma'am, we're looking for something to believe in. Come with me, boys. Where? Benny Blanco's house. Where? What? I can make it all better for both of you. How? Follow me. Why do we have to follow you? Are we not doing it in real time? It is real time. Come with me. You can pay. You don't have to pay. Yet. Pay? I can make your life. Here, I can actually really do it. I can make your life so good. How? How? What do you want? Everything. Knowledge, money, power, women. Women? Tons of them. What do you want? I don't know what I want. I need something to believe. You want to know what you want? What? I'll help you find that. What is it? I'm going to. You come with me. What? Get in my car. Why do we always have to come with you? That's not what a cult is. No. It's over a long period. You can say, meet me at this time. Instead of being like, come with me right now. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, you want me to pitch you? Yeah. Yeah. Hi. Hi. You can do whatever you want. Hi. Hey, how you doing? I'm good. You? I'm good. What are you guys up to today? Not much. We don't have much of a plan. We have some plans. Oh, you don't? Yeah, we're going to probably hit up Earth Cafe. We have a lot of really cool. I have a farm right outside of town in Malibu. If you guys ever. I don't know. You said you guys were going to eat food. If you ever want to come check it out, we have parties there. We have a really good drink program. We brought in this mixologist and stuff. Oh, wow, yeah. I'll do that. It's pretty cool. So? So what? When? Whenever you want. We were just talking about getting lunch, and you're inviting us to your farm in Malibu? Yeah. Okay. We're okay, man. Thanks. Oh, okay. No worries. When did you grow up? Where do you want to go out to dinner, sweetheart? It seems like you're. All of a sudden, we're a man. Yeah, it seems like your partner really wants to talk a little bit more. I was sold. Do you. No, it's totally fine. If you want to just like. You can go with him. It's totally fine. I was sold, but I wouldn't get in your car. I don't want you to come into my car. Okay. I just like. If you're ever around the area in Malibu, here's my business card. If you want to come through, come through whenever you want. I'm sold. You did a really good job. Thanks. Do you think my mistake was asking you guys to get into the car? Yeah, you kept telling us to get into your car. That's, I think, where it went wrong. You were trying to play a fast game, and it's really a long game, joining the cult, because it's like they make you feel like you're. Good point. That's a smart point. That's why I was like, oh, just come by. That's the language. They kind of. It's a slow burn. You know, I might get hooked. Weirdo. Stay away from that guy. Sounds like he's a little bit jealous because we have a great drink program. You know, this reminds me of. A huge farm with tons of money, and all our cocks are big. Well, you happen to meet one girl. Who does not care about the big cock, and she is sick and tired of hearing everybody talk about it. We got a billion dollars for you in an unmarked briefcase. It's only 500 million after tax. Nope. We own God. What? There is no God. We own God. We own God. Well, all right, we all joined a cult. No, and no one owns God. No, no one does. I'm sorry. And I was never. Aw, man. Yeah, see, he was speaking from his own organization that I already turned down when he said he owned God. Get a grip. You can't even. You've got something in your eye. Let me talk about something. Yes, please. Yeah, talk about it. What do you guys have to say to this? I read it in a book. Okay. Atoms. When observed, behave differently than when not. Which, if you really understand it all, which I don't, then leads you to believe it ties into parallel universes because an atom can be two places. This is at once. And if an atom can behave differently when observed than when not observed, does an atom have consciousness? And if atoms have consciousness, what even is consciousness? I read one article that was like, the universe is just conscious. Yeah, I mean, I believe anything's possible. I mean, think about a plant, for example. Sure. Think about like the ones that like. I believe plants have consciousness. Well, when a plant, like one of the viney ones, if there's like an object in front of it, it will grow around. Around the object. Like it like can perceive that there's an object. Yeah. I think plants have consciousness. You know, if you play certain music for plants, like they grow differently, they thrive differently. Like plants can be sad. Plants can be happy. I grow a lot of plants and I'm really. And people who grow weed and stuff, there's like so much that goes into it. And like, I think it's ridiculous when like a person says like, oh, well, dogs don't have like thoughts like that. Like, don't you believe like Reggie has like. He can really speak to you and he understands on a deep level. Yeah, but I think it's a little bit more simple than how we understand things. But I do think he. I don't know that Reggie's like sitting around being like, I am dog. Well, I think what you're describing is the concept of a soul. No. No? Me? Reggie has a soul. Consciousness to me is kind of the same thing as a soul. I think Reggie has a. No. No. Consciousness is so different than a soul. Okay, what has a soul but doesn't have consciousness? I don't know that a soul is like. Like a real thing. A restaurant doesn't have consciousness. I didn't say that. I said a restaurant's got like a lot of soul. Like there might be like so many things have happened in that restaurant and it's like. Oh, that's like a different use of the word. I'm not talking about. That's ridiculous. I don't know, Chuck. Get a grip. I'm talking about the human soul. Like when you die, your soul, like, you know. Chuck, you don't even know if a soul is real. I don't. I'm saying is a soul. Like basically, I got in an argument one time. Someone said an insect doesn't have a soul. I think an insect has a soul. I think anything that is alive. Has a soul. Because anything that is alive tends to like do the best it can to quote-unquote survive, which you just said is the point of life to an extent. I don't know if it's the point of life. What do you think God cares about if he's real? I think God, if he is real, I mean the story. Or is she? The story, as I hear it, cares about the goodness that you're being as a person. That's like the priority. It's like, you be a good person. You think he's just listening? I don't know. At all times. So many people. How does he. Who does the data center? Does he. It could all be a part. I don't know. You're asking the wrong guy. Chuck, do you think you can hear them all at the same time? I don't think there's a guy sitting there. No, I don't think it's like. You think if it's a crew of men and women? There could be a crew. There could be a crew in 2074 that had to do so many simulations and we're just one of 5,000 and we're just in 2026 and it is what it is. Do you do. Did you ever do the secret or manifesting when you were younger? Did you make a board and put. I think I still kind of do it. I listen to a lot of audio books about. I think it's really just more about. Intention and energy. But I don't think that's like spiritual. I think like. I think that's so spiritual. Manifesting being like. I've always believed that I was going to achieve something and I thought I'd spend my whole life manifesting it and doing it, but it's very just kind of basic. Of course you're going to believe in what you want to believe. Well, not everybody believes. No, not everyone does that. Yeah, that's like a default. But I don't think it's very religious or spiritual. But it's a really great thing to have. Spiritual doesn't have to be religious. Fine. I don't think it's very spiritual. I think it's just kind of, what's the word? I think believing. Logical. I think it's logical that the more you think of the. The two of you have such a gift of being able to have so much self-belief that just like not. If everybody could just do that, people don't choose to be self-defeating. It's not like everybody wakes up and likes, I want to like not feel great things about myself. It's a chemical thing in your brain. So of course, if everybody could just wake up and be like, I'm the best, I'll achieve whatever I want to achieve. But there's a lot of like, you know, pain and suffering that comes from people's own mental thoughts. No, I know that. But I guess what I'm saying is so. But what you're just saying is, is that like someone with not self-defeating thoughts, someone with like confidence as they manifest, isn't like a part of the spiritual journey of manifestation that everyone like. No, I'm just saying you are unique, I think, in that you have such a outward display of self. No, inward display of full belief. But am I any less or more spiritually touched by the spirit? I think they're two different things. The spirit chief. The spirit chief. The spirit chief. Yeah, the spirit chief touches you. The spirit chief was a nightmare. So what was the spirit chief like? He was white haired. He looked like Moses or like that type of like older, gaudy, like white hair. He was up in the sky, always saw him in the sky. And it was just difficult. And you know, the way I stopped the spirit chief is my parents promised me a cell phone if I cut all this out. And then that was in the back of my mind for a little while. And then one day. One night I was in the shower and I was thinking of all the different rituals I'd have to do before going to bed and how long it would take to brush my teeth. And I just broke down crying. Kind of like you did. You said you broke down in like the bathtub or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I broke down in the shower and I said, fuck it, I can't do this shit anymore. If someone dies, they die. I can't deal with it. And then the next day no one died. And I was like, oh. And then I got a phone. Do you know I'm so petrified that I'm going to die if I fly on an airplane? You know what my therapist said to me one day? What? He said, you're not that special. He said, do you think they'll take a whole airplane down for you? He said, you're not special. You're just a speck of dust. I love reminding myself that I'm a speck of dust. But do you think that you'll ever get over your fear of flying? I hope so. And it's crazy because Selena, she says, she's religious and she'll say, our time has already been picked for us when we're going to die, she says. And she says, and I don't think it's our time. And if it is, then that's what was meant to be. I like when she says that. I can't live. I can't live. I can't live in that world. Now, what are we talking about now? Are we talking, is this the same thing as free will? And determinationism. Right? Is that, are we now in this segment of the conversation? I'd love to talk about free will. We can be in whatever you want to be in. What is the implication there? So that everything's predetermined, like every move I make is already preconceived. There is only one way this cookie could crumble or no? I don't believe. I don't believe in that at all. It's a tricky thing to get into because it really just. Couldn't believe in that less. What, you believe that you don't. I believe that everything you do, like another thing happens different from that in your life and like every crossroad. So you believe in free will. You think you have 100% control. No, no. I don't. I don't think I have control. I think I have no idea what I'm doing and what it will control in the outcome. But I know that the things I'm doing that I don't have control of already are controlling my next move. Do you know what I'm saying? So you kind of are in the middle. No, but I believe that driving on sunset instead of driving on the PCH, like I think that something else in my life different is going to happen because I chose that. But I'm not choosing that because I know one way is better than the other. I'm just saying, I'm saying that things will happen differently. I'm not, I'm not consciously choosing them to change my thing because I don't know. I believe in fate, but I do believe that each individual outcome is going to be different by what you do. Yeah, so you believe in free will. You believe that you're choosing. No, he just said he believes in fate. No, I believe in fate. Well, we're not talking, that's just a different thing. I believe that, I believe that I have a decision to do a different thing, but I don't think my decision, like I'm not deciding to like live or die by going to the right, but I do think that's a set of, that's a new set of things. This is a new set of how my life will happen. And it's up to you every time. It's not predetermined for you. You have no choice in the matter. You're just doing what was naturally the divine order. Yeah, I don't, I don't think I was doing, Isn't that what the conversation we're having? Like, isn't that what we're talking about? Like, fate versus like our ability at all times? No, there's just like two schools of thought. There's like that, like you have complete control, like, like. I could be born one way, how I'm born right now. And it took like, for example, a ton of like work to achieve the things I wanted to achieve. I could have been the same level of talent, whatever, had the same ability, but just not done it. Yeah. And it was a choice to do it. It's a choice to do it at every time. That's why I just think, and I happen to make the choice to do it. I think I could have made the choice not to, or like some people could. And it's just, everyone has their own choices throughout the thing. But there's so many things that impact you even getting to the point to make the choice. Absolutely. I'm not saying it's just like, it's totally out of my control. A car could come into here and make me make a new choice when it plows into my house and kills my wife. And then I have to make a new choice. Chuck, it doesn't mean your new choice is to marry me. No. Yeah. Chuck, if they, if Kristen died, if Kristen died. I don't want to talk about it. Okay, Chuck, if I died. Yeah. You're down to talk about that? No. Okay, Chuck, if I died, do you think. Oh my God. Chuck, do you think you could even like go on with life? I would be. Well, because you have Kristen. If you didn't have Kristen, they might. Life would always be so much bleaker. Yeah. Chuck, would you remember me? Oh my God, I wouldn't be able to forget you. Chuck, I'd remember you. Life would be so bleak if either one of you died. I'm not saying I wouldn't live it and I wouldn't like have great moments, but I would always. I would always be thinking like, whoever became my best friend next, like just didn't have what you had. Whoever became my future lover. I think you would adjust. I think you'd be sad. If you were dead, you wouldn't want him to be with anyone else. No, I do. I want him to be. I won't care. I'll be dead. I won't even have. He'll be with me. As long as you guys get together. Tragedies are so scary. They happen all the time. I know. And it's like. We have no control. And so. You know, I feel like in my life, I try to act like I have so much. So much control. Like I feel. I try to feel like I'm in such control of everything. And it's like why I don't like flying. I realize that I really have no control ever. I may think I have like some control. And I do have like a little bit of control. And like minor things are making choices. Like what we said earlier. But really like no one knows anything. We don't know anything. So you net it out kind of where I. Yeah, but I do. But I do believe. I do believe. I do have this abstract belief. In a higher power. You have a hope. I do. You have a hope for a higher power. That you like like what the whole point is. I do. I do. How do you feel, Munchie? Where do you end? I have that same hope. You do? Okay. I'm not like odds are it means nothing. I have that hope. What's yours? Mine is that. We're insignificant. We came from dust and the stars and dirt. And as long as I can just keep waking up every day. And. Asking why. That's a good life for you, huh? One, two, three, Adams. Oh, oh, we don't even know that yet. One, two, three, Adams.