The Spirituality Episode

- Wait, God, is that you looking at my door? - You didn't like that? (laughs) ♪ Hello, good God, so loud ♪ ♪ A spiritual wonder comin' for you to sleep ♪ - We're different genres, I think, all three of us. You guys are in like screamer bands. (crowd cheering) - I haven't summer saw it since gymnastics. I used to take gymnastics, have to do the balance beam. - Where's she going? - I don't know. - Chuck, that cookie was delicious. - Where's she going? - Wasn't that cookie delicious? - It was a great cookie. - I wish one day we woke up and they were just like, you know what, fried chicken french fries? Like, best thing for you. - Yeah, or you didn't gain any weight. I guess I don't gain a lot of weight when I eat those things, but I still gain weight now, a little bit. What are you doing? Getting the paper? - I'm checking the mail because I was thinking as you guys were talking about like, summer salt or tumbling, how I never checked the mail, and I actually have a few loose ends with the government. - What are you talking about? - What do you mean? - I never checked the mail either, ever. - Mail is absolutely pointless. I don't even understand what it is. It's like, it's like so archaic. - Well, how do they work in that? There's so many letters. - How can they keep track? Oh, and they have full track of everything. - Do you know when I open my mailbox, I instantly take everything and immediately throw it into the trap? Yeah, there's nothing you ever need. - I don't even open my mailbox. - You definitely don't. - I don't, it gets stuffed and someone's like, hey, do you ever check your mail and I say, oh, no, I like, forget that that's a thing that-- - But that's not the biggest loose end. - What is? - The biggest loose end is jury duty. - When you need to have jury, like when you get a jury summons, it's only by mail. Did you know that? - I've never been to jury. - Well, you wouldn't know 'cause you don't check your mail. - I did it last year, first time. When you go, I went there and look, they call it way more people than what they need. So, and I really didn't want to do it. Like, I would want to serve as a juror on like the OJ case or some important case, but like a smoth and they don't know. - What was the case? - Something about a car accident. People were so disgusting. - They tell you the case. - Yeah, the two people involved were like, this is what happened. And like, people, like it was like a car accident-based thing. And like one person would be like, the judge would be like, is there any reason why you can't do this? And they would be like, well, I did, I wasn't a car accident like 10 years ago and there's so much trauma for it. So I don't think I can have like a clear head for this. Like, and everyone was like saying things like that. - It's a lie. - Yeah, I wanted to be like, I wanted to lie and be like, I don't know, like, I, like, I'd side with like the rich or like, I side with the poor or like, I'm racist or I'm sexist. - You can't say, I can't say any of that, obviously. - Well, it's illegal. - Oh. - I think you have to like, swear to God or swear. - What if I don't believe in the God? I mean, I don't not believe in God, but that's ridiculous. - Or you have to swear. - It's insane that in any courtroom, when they like say like, are you not lying? They say, would you swear like right hand on the Bible? Like aren't, I don't think I- - I don't think they do it anymore. - You do. - Wait, to God? - No, the Bible. - Well, it's the same thing. It's like, what is the Bible? And I know what it is, but it's like, what it, like, I'm Jewish, like, what if someone said like, the Bible has no importance to me, so there's something else? But I don't even feel that way necessarily. I haven't thought about it. I'm just saying, I also think it's ridiculous that society, we have Christianity is so fundamentally institutionalized in the United States that that is the default thing to do in like the legal system. Think about that. - And it's not about that. - You know, I'm so petrified from when I was a kid, I was, like, taught, like, not to write. You're not supposed to write God. So I've, like, never written it. I write it, I still write it like. - G-G? - No, G-A-W-D. - What do you mean you can't write God? - Not supposed to. - So, who? - And Jewish culture, you're not supposed to. What do you believe in God? - I believe that energy, not in, like, a woo-doo-hoo-ee. What do they say? - Woo-woo. - Woo-woo-way. But, like, truly, that, like, we all came from, like, dust and particles, and that it's, like, whatever makes a star a long time ago, like, we're all made of the same thing, and we're just made of these atoms and atoms, and energy can never be, what is it? - Created or destroyed. - Yeah, so I'm, like, there's something going on with energy. That's all I got to say. - So the answer to the question is, you don't not believe in God, you don't know. - What, do I believe in one man? - No, I don't think, I didn't, I said you believe in God. God doesn't have to be a man, it could be a woman. - Since when? - It could be whatever your interpretation is. - People are going around talking, like, God is a woman. Except for Ariana Grande. - What do you mean, there's literal songs. Like, you can, it's your interpretation of whatever it is. Like, I don't believe there's a man in the sky, but I believe in God. - What do you believe is God? - Yeah. What do I believe? I believe that there's, like, I believe that there's some force out there that's helping God, like, what's happening and what's not? There's too many coincidences, like, or for that to be, like, just silent. Like, there's too many, what? - Oh, sorry, whenever you're done, I have a question. - Okay. So, what about the disasters and tragedies that happen to people? - I think that stuff is just, like, I don't know the answers of why that happens. And I, oh, I find myself asking, like, I'm like, why God? Like, in all, like, say, I'll be like, why would, you know, like, when I see someone walking down the street who's, like, disabled and is, like, going through a time that's, like, looks like it's so hard for them to live. And I'm like, why would, if God exists, why would God do that to someone? Or, like, when a kid dies, when they're so young, I'm like, why would God do that? And I understand that, and I've had a lot of my friends die. I've had friends who have kids that die. And it's like, they spend a lot of time searching for the reason why. And I don't know the reason why. But I do believe there's just so many things that have happened. - Coincidentally? - No, it's just, like, too many things for coincidence. And there's like-- - You know that the human nature is kind of wired to think that this stuff is coincidence when it's just kind of not. Like, your brain is wired to kind of act. Like, you're always looking for meaning, which is why religion really helps, is because you need an answer for why. And it also religion really helps with people going through hard times. - Well, yeah, everyone's looking for meaning because they're scared of dying. Like, that's why people pray. That's why people look for hope because they're afraid of dying. Like, personally, I'm, like, so afraid of dying. Like, yeah, Selena's 0% of afraid of dying. She doesn't care. - She's been through a lot of hard stuff. - She doesn't care, yeah, I'm scared of dying. You're not scared of dying. - No, I don't want to die really like life, but I also get a lot of comfort in knowing that, like, we're all really insignificant. - When you're born and when you die, there's chemicals released in your brain that are the same as the effects of DMT. So, like, when you die, like, right before you die, you have, like, the best trip of your life. And I always think, like, I don't know. Like, do you believe in, like, after life? - I think we have no fucking clue. Like, we don't even know what a, we can't even figure out what consciousness is. Like, we don't even know this what we're experiencing is, like, actually, they can figure out a lot of stuff, but they just can't quite understand what makes consciousness consciousness. Like, if it's the more complex, like, cells become, they, like, enter the state of consciousness, what has consciousness, what doesn't have consciousness. So, who knows if there's an after? Like, we may just be, like, a continuation of whatever this is, but we'll never know until we transcend to that. - Question. What do you think, and I don't know the answer, the majority of, like, the world thinks God is. - Jesus is dead. - Jesus is dead. What's, like, to, like, what is the goal of God? Is God, like, creator of Earth? Is he, did, did God create Jupiter as well? Is my, if one question I have? - Did we ever talk? - Don't ignore. - No, no, I'm saying, do we know? Like, yeah, check, I don't even know if God's, is God supposed to have created Jupiter? - That's what I'm saying. - I don't know if God is. I don't know. I always, I thought, like, just Earth. - Here, my, so my POV, the only POV I have is like, - God, no, nobody. - The universe. - The universe. - God created the universe. - Yeah, that's the universe is ever expanding, like, and it could be within other universes. - It was God created all the universes. - Yeah, is that so? - I think that's what, I think that's what's thought. - Okay. - But there's different God's. - I think it's thought, yeah, like, some people have multiple gods. - Yeah. - You know? - And like, there's a lot of wars thought about which God is the right God, right? - Do you believe in heaven? - I don't believe in anything, honestly. - Oh, so you don't believe in God? - I don't not believe in God. - I have no idea, and all I believe in is that nobody has any idea. Anyone that claims-- - But people do have some ideas. Like, science doesn't tell us something. - It can take you to wherever-- - Yeah, we don't know what's at last. - And then that's just could be the tip of the iceberg of what this whole thing at any point, an alien can come down here and be like, you thought this was what's going on? This is what's going on. And everything totally changes. So I just, it's not that I don't care. It's just I feel so far from like having true confirmation of what's going on that I don't think about it. Now it's a luxury not to think about it because, you know, I think people who are experiencing more hardship need something to lean on and have faith in. I don't really have to think about things on a day-to-day level. - But you are Jewish, so you did believe in something. - I think you just believe in the tradition. I'm looking up right now if God's real. And I'm so mad because it won't. do my G- I can't say it, so now I have to write God. I think the first time in my life. - It's part of Judaism that you can't write, G-O-D. - No, I don't know about that. And for me, Judaism was a wonderful cultural experience that I really appreciated and feel like it instilled values in me as a human being. But as far as just the pure understanding of the ways of the world, I just feel like it's so complex beyond anything close to what we're able to-- - It says there's no proof or dis-proof. - Yeah, well, I mean, look, can you really argue with me as anyone actually like-- - No one knows anything. - Science has no things to an extent, but then anything can change like that. - There's a lot of unanswered questions. They don't know why atoms-- - So that's why for me, it's hard to-- - I think it's kind of bizarre, at least historically, you had to swear on this one thing of God or the Bible. It's like kind of just a little preposterous, in my opinion, to for such a belief on someone when clearly the only thing we know is that no one knows anything. - Domino's lava cakes, they allow for a mix and match scenario. - Ooh. - A flight of three. Do you know what that means? You have three different times where you can make a choice. S'mores or chocolate? - Mix and match. - How many different iterations can there be? Not much. - I'm not a mathematician, but I am a s'mores magician. - Show the cream towards the moon. - You know what it reminds me of? - Domino. - No, it's dumb. - Mmm. - Mmm. - How is that different than what I said? - What "domin"? - What "domin"? - I love "domin". - You can get three domino's lava cakes when you mix and match any two or more menu items. - Do you believe in like, are you spiritual? - I believe something could certainly be a foot. I'm not like a nothing. - But are you just like spiritual? Like, do you believe in like, like, like, destinies and fates and carmas and. - I like, I don't know. Like, I'll tell you what, I went to a fortune teller one time and they told my fortune completely correct and I was shocked and it made me like, you know. - What do you mean? - One time when I was living in San Francisco, I was like, with friends and there was a fortune teller average and they were like, let's go to the fortune teller and I was about to put all my music out for the first time in my life. And I was like, I'll go in there and see if any comment could vaguely apply to like my musical pursuits. I was wearing nothing interesting. I looked like I could have worked it like an accountant's farm. - You still look like that. - No, I think, now I look like a cooler, doesn't matter. - At the time. - At the time. - At the time. - At the time. - I walk in there, she goes like, oh, you've got a really long lifeline. It says you're going to live to 108. I said, I said, oh, okay. She said, you must be really creative. I just stare at her and then she said, in 2013, you're going to receive fame for your music. People are going to come out of the woodwork left and right and tell you what they think you should do, but remember, your instincts are what got you there in the first place. - Did you even know you were going to make music? - I was, I had just made all the little dicky stuff. I was at two months away from releasing it. And therefore, her to be like, you're on to something good in life and like apply. And instead she was like, this year, you're going to get famous for your music. I could have been like, music, I don't make music. I'm an accountant. - Yeah. - So when things like that happen, they make music. - That's crazy. - And like, I do kind of like, you know, I don't know if I believe in karma, but like, you know, I don't know, I believe in like, I don't know what I believe. I don't know, it's so overwhelming that I don't even like kind of think about it. And I just go on with my tasks and my pursuits. What does that mean about me? - Check, I like it. - Yeah. - Check, you know, one time, I was in Las Vegas with Ashlyn and she said, we were going in, we were on our way for like a book tour. And we went into Vegas into the casino. She said, hey, I'm getting a strong number right now and she said like 16 or something. I said, what do you mean you're getting a strong number? She said, my psychic just told me like, we have to bet it. And I said, okay. And we like went in and we won like $30,000 betting on the number. And then literally, I walked out and I was like, that's insane. Text your person back and she was like, wow. And then she was like, does Benny have a red guitar? And I literally grew up, my first guitar was red. And there was like the thing I practiced and like what brought me into music. And then I was like, oh my God, ask her more stuff. And then she said, I swear to God, she said, Benny's going to need knee surgery soon. And I said, all right, stop asking her questions. - That's so scary. - Jack, she said I was going to need knee surgery. - Yeah, I wouldn't even play it. - Did you need it? - Of course. - I was going to need it. - No, she just said it. - You didn't need it. - Have you ever seen a sidekick? - I was sad, just shut up. Go on to the next thing. - Okay. - Do you want? - Same fight. - I got it. - I haven't done it. - I have a really, when I asked my parents, I asked my mom when I was a kid. Mom, what's the point of life? - Instantly, she said to reproduce. That was her instant answer. - Really? - A part of me think spiritual, I kind of feel like, I've lived my life totally avoiding thinking about any of this and that when I have children, I will-- - I want to have my mom right now. Keep going. - And when I have children, I will kind of really understand the different level of-- - Don't you just want to know why? Like sometimes I just want to, like I'll be walking and I'll be like, I just want to, like, when you really start diving deep. Like, they know that there's like, whatever, like 200 million planets like Earth that like rotate around a sun that therefore could have like, like, humans on it, but we don't even, because of like, the speed of light and how long the universe has been around, we would never even know. We could have just like, missed the other humans by. - I believe there's definitely-- - 10 billion years. - For me, there's definitely a life outside of Earth but I wouldn't there be why does God have to limit his, like, you know, shit on the Earth? - Well, no one's saying there's no life outside of Earth, are they? Oh, I guess-- - No, but it's like, I feel like, perhaps, maybe I'm right, I really know nothing about what I'm talking about, but I feel like a part of religion is feeling like, Earth is prioritized by God. Like, I don't, or like, man, human, man and woman. - No, that's my beef with some, or, now I don't have any beef with organized religion, much respect to it all. My only issue is sometimes it feels like that they prioritize, I don't wanna get into it, the afterlife, more than the present life. - After life, I know nothing about anything's possible. I could die, start over, I could die, be a roach, I could die, I could die. - Jack, if you could come back as anything, what would you wanna come back as? You get two, three things, always human. Why would I wanna be lower on the kind of chain of seeing? - Well, you don't know what else? What if we don't understand that, like-- - No, it's all the things that you understand right now, except you could come back as God if you want to. Now, you can't come back as God. I take it back, I'm sorry, I got it. - Because my life has gone so kind of, ideally at every turn my wildest dreams come so true, I'm at the love of my life. My best friend is like the most position person to advance my actual career life. - So many things have gone so long. - That is sitting like, oh, I love him, he's so good. - No, you could have been this good. I just love my best friend, I of course love you. I love you enough to be my best friend, and then you happen to be talented enough to, there are things that coincidentally have happened to me that are so, what my wildest dreams would be, that sometimes I think I am living, like if there are multiple lives, I'm in the best one, and I'm prioritizing the wrong things, and I have a fear of dying. And then like going up and like God being like, that's what you thought, that like I gave you the perfect life, and that's what you did with it, like you blew it. - But what if you just die and you just, oh. - What are we supposed to be doing? - Reproducing says my mom, that's the point of life she said, and that's also in line with how I feel. - No, I think what? - Having kids. - No, people are, that's not necessarily. - My mom said it's the most, I asked my mom, I said, you don't have to have kids, am I? - I asked my mom, and she said, I said, what's the best thing you've ever done in your life? And she said, have my children. She said, it's the only thing I knew I wanted to do since I was a kid, and she said, when I like actually did it, she said it's like the biggest blessing in the world. - A lot, I've heard that kids are very purpose-filling, but I also think that there's a reality where the only meaning of life is to kind of just exist, and it's like kind of a myth that we think we deserve happiness at all times, and kind of just, because if you think about how we've evolved as humans, it used to be survival was like the biggest focus, and now that we're like so far advanced, we have at least for me, so much, we're not worried about how we're gonna eat, we're not worried about, and honestly living in America, I hate to say obviously, we have a lot of more privilege than other countries where they do have to worry about just basic survival, so I think that-- - We're optimizing. - I think that, yeah, I think sometimes the purpose of life is to just survive. - I wonder how stupid we sound to people who say that. - I don't think that was stupid. - I don't know, I'm just saying, I'm not talking about you, I'm just talking about, like-- - We do sound stupid, but-- - But everyone is-- - But I think everyone's just a figure. - Because if someone says that they know something, they're lying. - Yeah. - Let's just go outside. (upbeat music) (claps) - Ah! - That's good. - Cult leaders? - Yeah, always. Did you ever see that thing, the documentary, Kumate? - No. - So there's this documentary about this guy who's like, I just feel like gurus and all these guys are like so fake. And he decided to, to grow his beard out, he was an Indian man, decided to grow his beard out and become a fake guru. And he like got thousands of followers, and he would like talk to them. And then at the end of the documentary, he was like, I'm just kidding, guys. I'm not a guru, and they were like, we don't care. They were like, we just believe, you gave us so much hope, we don't even care if it's fake. - Yeah. - Well, I think people always kinda need something to believe in. Like religion. - Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you could, could you not argue that some religions are like cults. - Yeah. - It's kind of what it is. - For sure. - If it's organized religion is. - For sure. Do you think you could, do you think you could like, check, do you think you could start a cult? Like do you think you could get so many followers? - No. - You don't? - No. - No. - Check, you don't think you could get so many people to just like follow you and do whatever you say. - I don't know, I think I, if I were to, I think I'm always being myself, and I just feel like I explain my true self as someone who so clearly believes in not knowing anything. - If you were starting a cult, though, what would your, like, how would you, - No, I don't know, I mean, I have to be acting and lying, and like the only way for me to do this ever would, like I'd have to be like shooting a more long form, like documenting things. - Let's say you were shooting a long form thing. - What? - If I, if I would-- - You want to go inside? - Uh-huh. - Okay. Hey, did you guys know that Oli Pop is back with brand new, but retro packaging? - Hi. - Let's see. - Yeah, look at this. Are you out of your mind? - Look how cool this is. - I think I got the best one, of course, right? - It's very artsy, very cool, very retro. - It's both new and old. - It makes me so happy. - I know. - You ever seen a little window? - Yeah, I mean-- - Oh, Hatchet. - Yeah, mine has a window. - Wow, that is sweet. - I think I might have always had this window. - Uh-huh. - I'm just saying in general-- - Is it just for a peek? - Hit it, christen. - Oh, by any two cans of Oli Pop in store, and they'll pay you back for one. Any flavor, any retailer, you're gonna drink Oli Pop dot com slash FKS. - We did it. We respect you. - How would you get me to join your call? - Hmm. - I think I-- - Like give me your tag line. I'm like, oh, I'm like really lost, I like-- - I think I'd say, you've been doing it all wrong. - Why? - Why? - Yeah. - Everyday are you happy? - No. (laughing) - Everyday I'm happy. - You are? - Yeah, because I've just learned a few things that not many people have access to. I've learned that information, and I apply the principles that I'm happy to show you, and everyday you'll be happy. - Really? - Are you a young boy? - What are the things? - Well, I can't take it this far. I have to do like, at the right a whole thesis on-- - Tell him what you would do to him. - Where do I live? - You live out on the ranch with me. - Really? - Yeah, there's, I don't know, we're still doing this. - Do you pay for things? - No. - Do I fuck you? - No, it's not sexual at all. - Yeah. - No, I would not ever-- - Okay, not much of you pitch. You pitch. - Oh, to get you to join my cult? - Yeah. Hey. - Hi. - How are you? - I'm good. - Ma'am, we're looking for something to believe in. - Come with me, boys. - Where? - Benny Blanco's house. - I can make it all better for both of you. - How? - Follow me. - Why do we have to follow you? - I mean, I'm doing it in real time. - It is real time. - Come with me. You can pay, you don't have to pay yet. - Pay. - I can make your, here I can actually really do it. I can make my life so good. - How? - What do you want? - Everything. - Knowledge, money, power, women. - Women? - Tons of them. - I don't know what I want. I hate something to believe. - Do you want to know what you want? - What? - Yeah. - What is it? - You come with me. - What? - Get in my car. - We always have to come with you. - I don't know what a cult is. - No, you can say me, me, me, me at this time. Instead of being like, come with me right now. - Okay, you want me to pitch you out. - Yeah. - What? - I'm not talking about noise. - You can do whatever you want. - Huh. - Okay, how you doing? - Good. - Good. - I'm good. What do you guys up to today? - My treat on a mushroom plant. - We have some plants. - How do you dump? - Yeah, we're going to probably hit up Earth Cafe. - Oh, I have a lot of really cool. I have a farm like right outside the town in like Malibu. If you guys ever, I don't know, you said you guys were going to eat food. If you ever want to come check it out. - Yeah. - We have parties there, we have really good, we have like a really the drink program we brought in like this mixologist. - Oh, wow, yeah. - It's pretty cool. - What's so? - So what? - What? - We were just talking about getting lunch and you're inviting us to your farm in Malibu. - Yeah. - Okay, we're okay, man, thanks. - Oh, okay. - Where do you want to go out to dinner, sweetheart? (laughing) - This year's grow up, it's all said we're a man. - It seems like your partner really wants to talk a little bit more. - I was told. - No, it's totally fine. If you want to just like, you can go with him, it's totally fine. - I was told if I wouldn't get your car. - I don't want you to come into my car. - Okay. - I just like, if you're ever around the area in Malibu, here's my business card. If you want to come through, come through whenever you want. - That's all, you did a really good job. - Thanks. - Do you think my mistake was asking you guys to get into the car? - Yeah, you kept telling us to get into your car. - Yeah, I think we're well. - You were trying to play a fast game and it's really a long game, joining the call. Because it's like, they make you feel like you're at-- - That's a good point, that's a smart point, yeah. - That's the language, they kind of, it's a slow burn. That's, you know, I might get hooked. - Weirdo. Stay away from that guy. - Sounds like he's a little bit jealous because we have a great drink program. - You know, this reminds me of a huge farm of tons of money and all our cocks are big. - Well, you have a zone, the tree comes out. - The tree comes out. - It does not care about the big cock and she is sick and tired of hearing everybody talk about it. - We got a billion dollars for you in an unmarked briefcase. - It's only 500 million after tax. - Well, we own God. - What? - There is no God. - We own God's. (laughing) - We are. - Well, all right, we all joined the call. - No, no one owns God. - No, no one does, I'm sorry. - I was never, oh man. - Yeah, see, he was speaking from his own organization that I already turned down when he said he owned God. - Get a grip, you can't even get something in your eye. (laughing) - Let me talk about something. - Yes, please. - Yeah, talk about it. - What do you guys have to say to this? - Mm. - Mm. - I write it in a book. - Mm. - Adams. - Mm-hmm. - When observed behave differently than when not, which if you really understand it all, which I don't, then leads you to believe. (laughing) It ties into parallel universes. - Yeah. - Because an atom can be two places at once, and if an atom can behave differently when observed, then when not observed, does an atom have consciousness? And if atoms have consciousness, what even is consciousness? I read one article that was like the universe is just conscious. - Yeah, I mean, I believe anything is possible. - I mean, think about a plant, for example. - Sure. - Think about like, the ones that like-- - I believe plants have consciousness. They wouldn't a plant like one of the viny ones, if there's like some an object in front of it, it will grow around the object. Like it like can perceive that there's an object. Yeah. - I think plants have consciousness. You know, if you play certain music for plants, like they grow differently, they thrive differently. Like plants can be sad, plants can be happy. I grow a lot of plants, and I'm really, and people who grow weed and stuff, there's like so much that goes into it. And like, I think it's ridiculous when like a person says like, oh, well dogs don't have like thoughts like that. Like don't you believe like Reggie has like, he can really speak to you, and he understands on a deep level. - Yeah, but I think it's a little bit more simple than how we understand things, but I do think he, I don't know that Reggie's like sitting around being like, I am dog. - Well, I think what you're describing is the concept of a soul. - No. - No. - Me? Reggie has a soul. - I think consciousness to me is kind of Reggie has a soul. - No. - Consciousness is so different than a soul. - Okay, what has a soul, but doesn't have consciousness? - I don't know that a soul is like a real thing. - A restaurant doesn't have consciousness. - I didn't say that. I said a restaurant's got like a lot of soul. Like there might be like so many things have happened in that restaurant, and it's like-- - Oh, that's like a different use of the word. I'm not talking about, that's ridiculous. - I don't know. - Get a grip. I'm talking about the human soul. Like when you die, your soul like, you know, Chuck, you don't even know if a soul is real. - I don't. I'm saying is a soul, like basically I got an argument one time. Someone said an insect doesn't have a soul. - I think an insect has a soul. - I think anything has a life has a soul, because anything that is alive tends to like, do the best it can to quote unquote survive, but you just said is the point of life to an extent. - No, I don't know if it's the point of life. - What do you think God cares about if he's real? - I think God, if he is real, I mean, the story is-- - Or if she's a story, as I hear it, he cares about the goodness that you're being as a person. That's like the priority, it's like you'd be a good person. - I think he's just listening. - I don't know. - At all times, so many people. How does he, who does the data center? Does he, like, it could all be a part, I don't know, you're asking the wrong guy. - Chuck, do you think you can hear him all at the same time? - I don't think there's a guy sitting there. No, I don't think it's like-- - You think if it's a crew of men and women. - There could be a crew, there could be a crew in 2074 that like had to do like so many simulations, and we're just one of 5,000, and we're just in 2026, and it is what it is. - Do you do, like, did you ever do like the secret or like manifesting when you're younger? Did you like make a board and like put-- - I think I still kind of do it. I listen to a lot of like audio books about, I think it's really just more about like intention and energy. - But I don't think that's like spiritual. Like, I think like-- - I think that's so smooth. - Manifesting being like-- I've always believed that I was going to achieve something and I thought it's not a whole life manifesting it and doing it, but it's very just kind of basic. Of course, you're going to believe in what you'd want to believe. - Well, not everybody. - No, not everyone does that. - That's like a talk. - And not every, but I don't think it's very religious or spiritual. - But it's a really great thing to have. - Spiritual doesn't have to be religious. Fine, I don't think it's very spiritual. I think it's just like, kind of, what's the word, logical. I think it's logical that the more you think of that. - The two of you have such a gift of being able to have so much self-belief that just like, if everybody could just do that, people don't choose to be self-defeating. It's not like everybody wakes up and likes, "I want to not feel great things about myself." It's a chemical thing in your brain. So of course, if everybody could just wake up and be like, "I am the best, I'll achieve whatever I want to achieve," but there's a lot of pain and suffering that comes to people's own mental thoughts. - No, I know that, but I guess what I'm saying is so, but what you're just saying is that someone with not self-defeating thoughts, someone with like confidence as they manifest isn't like a part of the spiritual journey of manifestation that everyone, like. - No, I'm just saying, you are unique, I think, and that you have such a. - Yeah, but what? - Outward display of self, no, inward display of bold belief. - But if I any less or more spiritually touched by the spirit, as someone. - I think they're two different things. - The spirit chief. - The spirit chief. - Yeah, the spirit chief touches you. - The spirit chief was a nightmare. So what was the spirit chief like? - He was white-haired, he looked like the Moses or that type of older, god-y, white-haired. He was up in the sky, always saw him in the sky, and it was just difficult. And you know, the way I stopped the spirit chief is my parents promised me a cell phone if I cut all this out. And then that was in the back of my mind for a little while. And then one night, I was in the shower and I was thinking of all the different rituals I'd have to do before going to bed and how long it would take to brush my teeth, and I just broke down crying. Kind of like you did, and you said you broke down in like the bath tub or something. I broke down in the shower and I said, "Fuck it, I can't do this shit anymore. "Someone dies, they die, I can't deal with it." And then the next day, no one died, and I was like, "Oh, and then I got a phone." - Do you know I'm so petrified that I'm gonna die if I fly on an airplane? And you know, my therapist said to me one day, what? - He said, "You're not that special." He said, "You think they'll take a whole airplane down "for you?" He said, "You're not special. "You're just a speck of dust." - I love reminding myself that I'm a speck of dust, but do you think that you'll ever get over your fear of flying? - I hope so. And it's crazy, 'cause Selena, she says she's religious and she'll say, "Our time has already been picked for us "when we're gonna die," she says. And she says, "And I don't think it's our time. "And if it is, then that's what was meant to be." - I like when she says that. - I can't live in that world. - Now, what are we talking about now? Are we talking, is this the same thing as free will? - And determinationism. - Right, is that, are we now in this segment of the conversation? - I have to talk about free will. - What do you want to do? - Well, what is the implication there so that everything's pretty determined? Like, every move I make is already preconceived. There is only one way this cookie could crumble or not. - I don't believe in that at all. - It's a tricky thing to get into because it really just-- - Couldn't believe in that less. - What, you believe that you don't-- - I believe that everything you do, like, another thing happens different from that in your life. And like every cross road, like-- - So you believe in free will. You think you have 100% control. - No, no, I don't, I don't think I have control. I think I have no idea what I'm doing and what it will control in the outcome. But I know that the things I'm doing that I don't have control of already are controlling my next move. Do you know what I'm saying? - So you kind of are in the middle. - No, I believe that driving on sunset instead of driving on the PCH, like I think that something else in my life different is gonna happen because I chose that. But I'm not choosing that because I know one way is better than the other. I'm just saying that things will happen differently. I'm not consciously choosing them to change my thing because I don't know, I believe in fate. But I do believe that each individual outcome is gonna be different by what you do. - Yes, so you believe in free will. You believe that you're choosing. - No, you just said you believe in fate. - No, I believe in fate. - We're not talking, that's just a different thing. - I believe that I believe that I have a decision to do a different thing. But I don't think my decision, like I'm not deciding to like live or die by going to the right. But I do think that's a set of, that's a new set of things. This is a new set of how my life will happen. - And it's up to you every time. It's not predetermined for you. You have no choice in the matter. You're just doing what was naturally the divine order. - Yeah, I don't think I was doing. - Is that what the conversation we're having? Like, isn't that what we're talking about? Like, fate versus like our ability at all times. - No, there's just like two schools of thought. There's like that, like, you have complete control. Like, I could be born one way. How I'm born right now. And it took like, for example, a ton of like work to achieve the things I wanna do achieve. I could have been the same level of talent whatever had the same ability, but just not done it. - Yeah. - And it was a choice to do it. It's a choice to do it at every time. That's why I just think, and I happen to make the choice to do it. I think I could have made the choice not to. Or like some people could, and it's just everyone has their own choices throughout the day. - But there's so many things that impact you even getting to the point to make the choice. - Absolutely. I'm not saying it's just like, it's totally out of my control. A car could come in here and make me make a new choice when it plows into my house and kills my wife. And then I have to make a new choice. - My new choice is to marry me. - No, yeah, check, if Kristen died, if Kristen, - I don't wanna talk about it. - Okay, check, if I died, you're down to talk about that. - No. - Check, if I died, do you think, - Oh my God. - Check, do you think you could even like go on with life? - Oh, 'cause you have Kristen. If you didn't have Kristen, maybe-- - Life would always be so much bleaker. - Yeah. - Check, would you remember me? - Oh my God, I wouldn't be able to forget you. - Check, I'd remember you. - Life would be so bleak if either one of you died. I'm not saying I wouldn't live it and I wouldn't like have great moments, but I would always be thinking like whoever became my best friend next, like just didn't have what you had, whoever became my future forever. - I think you would have guessed, I think you'd be sad. I think you would have guessed. - If you were dead, you wouldn't want him to be with anyone. - No, I do, I want him to be, I won't care, I'll be dead. I won't even have that. - He'll be with me. - As long as you guys get together. - Tragedies are so scary, they happen all the time. - I know. - And we have no control. - And so, you know, I feel like in my life, I try to act like I have so much control. I try to feel like I'm in such control of everything and it's like why I don't like flying. I realize that I really have no control ever. I may think I have like some control and I do have like a little bit of control and like minor things are making choices like what we said earlier, but really like, no one knows anything, we don't know anything. - So you know that out kind of where I start? - Yeah, but I do believe, I do believe, I do have this abstract belief in a higher power. - You have a hope. - I do. - You have a hope for a higher power that you like like what the whole point is like. - I do, I do. - How do you feel, Munchie? Where'd you end up? - I have that same hope. - You do, okay. I'm not like odds are, it means nothing. I have that hope. - What's yours? - Mine is that we're insignificant. We came from dust and the stars and dirt. And as long as I can just keep waking up every day and asking why. (laughing) - That's a good laugh for you, huh? (laughing) - One, two, three, atoms. - Oh. - We don't even know that yet. - One, two, three, atoms. (upbeat music)