The Snack: Doc Bombshells, Oreo-gate, and US Open Influencers

This week on the SAC, documentary bombshells, Oreo Gate, and tennis versus influencers. This is a dear media production. Enjoy! Hi guys! Hi guys! We are back! We missed you. I feel like we missed a huge week of gossip last week and I don't remember what it was. Nothing comes to mind. Yeah, we are trying to talk about stuff that's new, but what happened last week? I don't know. There was all this stuff and I was like, I'm so upset we can't talk about this. Now, it's just like, you and I are the most constantly online people, hyper on the internet that I know. It's so funny what a friend of ours is like, did you see this? I was like, do you know who you guys are talking to or when you have friends at Burning Man and you're like, how did we not know? We're so different and listen to each their own, we will talk about it, but do you ever have that jump scare where you're like, oh, I didn't know we had such a different type of lifestyle. It's when I find out that friends of ours don't watch reality TV. It is truly when people are like, I don't watch Bravo and I'm like, what have you done with your life? I don't learn so much Bravo right now. I don't watch actually. You always try to start this narrative, like you don't watch Bravo. You watch Summer House, you watch Standard Pump. You're in the culture. You know all the Southern Charm stuff, like you are in the culture, you know enough to be dangerous. I watched plenty of reality TV, I'm just, I'm more, I'm more elevated, no, I'm just getting okay, let's just, yeah, that's why I think all you show is my high school kids falling in love your stuff. That's what I meant too. That's my King. Oh, I just did want to give a quick personal update. So we have another foster dog coming. As we record, I'm picking him up tomorrow. He's a little dog, I don't know why we keep getting a little dog, his name is Cody and he is hilarious looking. You guys will see. So go check him out right now. I'm sure as you hear this, I have him on my story, Ash has, and check him out. And that is going to be the new addition to the fam. I'm proud of you. This is the smallest dog. I mean, I can't even imagine you guys with this dog, like I, it looks like a joke. I just think of you as like a big dog family and this is a little dog. So we put in for two dogs because we can only do a temporary foster situation because we're about to travel. So sometimes they just need people to take over for less than two week commitment. So two dogs on the email, Cody and Bodie, and Cody is a 12 pound Waltis mix. And Bodie was a 60 pound pit. And I was like, we'll take Cody or Bodie. Just fingers crossed for the pit fan, like yeah, you were like, we want that, that pity in our house. They were like, we're all sent you up with Cody, I'm like, why, Ashley, do you ask me gun to my head? What is the last dog on earth? I can imagine you being around. It might be a Maltese. Like I can't, it's not even Chihuahua's because like, that would be ironic and funny. But like, that's my least favor, no matter what they're funny looking. I just, a Maltese, this, right now, this is special, there's Cody, a special there. There's something about him that is very funny. I'm not going to give it away because I want you guys to all go look, but Cody needs to speak to a manager. And that's all I'm going to say. So you guys go check him out, can't believe he's not a woman named Karen is all I'm going to say. I truly can't believe it. All right. Well, also, I'm in Cincinnati tonight. If you guys want to come out to a comedy show, Andrew Colin and I are there. You get tickets at my website, renagrimber.com, and I'll see you there tonight. All right. Well, let's think our partners and get into it. Thank you to Hange, download the dating app designed to be deleted. And secret lives of Mormon wives, season five, watch the all-new season of the original Hulu series now streaming on Hulu and Hulu and Disney Plus for bundle subscribers. And thank you to Butcherbox, get $20 off your first box and free shipping plus your choice of stake in every box for a year at Butcherbox.com/GGE. And thank you to Revolve, get 15% of your first order at Revolve.com/GGE with code GGE. And thank you to NoCD. If you're struggling with OCD, NoCD can help book a free 15 minute call to get started at NoCD.com. So we are going to kick it off with a documentary report. Huge news coming out of the documentary world, if you know, you know. And we also wanted to recommend some documentaries that we've been watching. That's all I've been doing. It's just there's been a lot of incredible content out. Yeah, I feel like I've been watching documentaries like over anything else, over TV shows. And I don't like it because it's not bingeable. Like I need to watch nine episodes of something while I sit at home, right? The thing that has just been so exciting. So I am obsessed with Elizabeth Holmes. I was obsessed with Theranos and her whole journey. And I just love financial crimes in general. So Elizabeth Holmes, I guess we're living under a rock. She created this company, basically, said that they could do 200 tests for different medical problems in one device. It was all a fraud. It was multi-billions of dollars she went to prison. And there is a new documentary coming out by Nathan Fielder about her called You Can See Everything. And the trailer just dropped. And basically, Nathan Fielder moved in with Elizabeth Holmes in the week leading up to her prison stint and lived with her and her husband and continued to film throughout her prison sentence. Her husband is featured in the second part of the documentary as well. And it is just sort of this commentary of like what is true and what is not. I mean, she is one of the most polarizing figures in history. To watch her is so fascinating, she dropped out of Sanford at 19 years old and she got all of these people to invest in her company. It was like a nine billion dollar company. It was just a huge scam. And this new documentary is coming out. I cannot wait to watch it. So there's been books and other documentaries, the fictionalized show. Like there's just been so much, but nothing like this. And Nathan Fielder, I mean, I guess people can describe him in a bunch of different ways. Like he is kind of known for blurring the lines between satire and reality. High level, like what's he doing? And so there's that aspect. Like I feel like he kind of notoriously fucks with people. Yeah. But now he's the one who's getting mine fucked on this. So I read this quote from him, they just debut this at Telluride Film Festival. But I think this was in the deadline article. It said Fielder himself seems baffled by it all stunned that an innocuous idea turned into a three year trip into the mind of Elizabeth Holmes, no holds barred or expected. His quote is what I am really excited about is for you to see the movie and tell me what I experienced. He said during a Q&A following the first public screen at Telluride, I don't know why they want to be there. Why am I there? It's just crazy. Like when you come up with a crazy idea that actually happens and then people pay for it. And now everyone's going to see it. Like this man, this brilliant man, like I mentioned, who's always just like what's he up to and what are what are we supposed to get out of this and what are his true intentions is over here. Like I can't believe I did this either. He would be one of many that just don't really understand her. She is so fascinating. 19 years old. I mean, she had secretaries of state. She had the Secretary of Defense. She had Henry Kissinger. I mean, she had all of these really powerful, very experienced men investing in her company. Even to this day, nobody knows if it was kind of like well intentioned or not. Like if everything was a crock of shit, I mean, the whole company was a scam, but like was it well intentioned? Did she mean to actually release this? I don't know. Maybe. But it's so fascinating to watch her. She is so polarizing, so I can't wait. I don't know if polarizing is the word who likes her. I think that the debate is like, what was the intention behind this company? So you know, they sold this idea to Walgreens and they got, I don't know, hundreds of millions of dollars to put these products and Walgreens they weren't ready to go. They lied about having military contracts, but like, was it like a lot of technology companies that they kind of fake until they make it and they thought by the time it would go into the marketplace that these things would work? Regardless, you're selling a medical device to people that needs to work and it was fraud. So I may be polarizing as the wrong idea, but you look at her and I guess the intentionality behind what she was doing is debatable. I guess I thought everybody was like, she's a fraud. But let's not punish her more than all the terrible men that are ruining the country and ruining the world. I thought we were like on agreement on that. Yeah, I don't know if a people or like Elizabeth Holmes had a good intentions. I think she always knew. I think in the beginning, good intentions. But yes, once she put these products into the marketplace, knew that she was lying. Okay. Well, I can't wait to see this. People are losing their minds over this. Like, people are like, what do you mean? What do you mean? I think that's what we get to watch. So we are really excited for that. That really is the top documentary news. And secondly, so Netflix put out a documentary on Ray Gunn. She is actually really polarizing truly where like I think people have split opinions. So she was the break dancer from Australia who performed at the Paris 2024 Olympics and had this insane performance that went totally viral. And I'd watch this documentary and it did answer the question of how the hell did this happen. Because I think when we saw this, we're like, how was she at the Olympics? How did this even happen? Was this a mistake? Was it rigged? This and that. I was fascinated by it. And in the documentary, you see that she was a break dancer. She was a seasoned break dancer. I'm making air quotes as big as they could be who did legitimately qualify for the Olympics, which clearly the qualifiers were a joke. Because she knew she wasn't ready to be on the world stage, then so did her husband. They're both delusional, but she went anyway and what happened happened. And I think people have mixed opinions on her for sure. But once again, like every doc or every reality show that comes out, like I am just completely rocked by how unhinged and cruel people are on the internet. Like I think when this happened, it was all fun and games. You know, like everybody's big and fun of it and the memes. And then it turned into this like people demonizing her, harassing her, threatening her and her family. You know how it is? But conspiracy theories that her and her husband rigged the Olympics, like let's start an investigation, like crazy stuff and have always just sickened by it. And when I see that happen, I am so passionate about this that that kind of is my primary emotion of like what the fuck is wrong with these people get alive. This is supposed to sort of be her redemption. A lot of people don't see it like that. A lot of people are just like, We didn't need this and this just dug the hole even deeper, but whatever you want to think is your business You know, I think people were disproportionately cruel to her But she also shouldn't have done the Olympics and she is like delulu and so is her husband But the thing I found the most interesting right now is this is a spoiler alert If you didn't watch the Olympics that you don't really know or you want to be surprised in the documentary But she did three battles on that stage in Paris snoop dogs there the whole thing first time breaks dancing is in the Olympics Obviously she did three dance battles, and she lost all of them unanimously nine judges to zero Like she was obviously the bad she never should have been there in the first place But the first two were bad, but they weren't like unhinged and you would have been like oh, she's bad And she shouldn't be here and how did this happen so she loses them both unanimously and then the third go round She just goes fucking rogue her trainer doesn't know what she's doing That's when we saw the kangaroo hops and the sprinkler and the like squirming around on the floor like she her husband loved it But if she just No, Raina, he's part of king He's the most supportive husband Yeah, like everyone's like let a love like this find me on threads You know as much as they have like criticism It's like that's the thing if she hadn't a completely snapped and then I don't think it would have gone as viral Like it may have gotten some traction, but it wouldn't have been what we saw Which was just totally insane virality, and I just found that interesting That she wants her goddamn mind. I'm not I'm confused by how anybody got into the Olympics that is just like objectively bad Like you have to watch it. That's why I watched it I'm gonna watch it. I needed to know because like you don't ever watch figure skating and think like This isn't the best of the bunch, but it's objectively bad like there's nothing bad in the Olympics That's the point of the Olympics is like going to Harvard like there's nobody bad there. How did this happen? Shashank thought he didn't care, and then as I put it on he grabbed his laptop to make a statement that he would not be paying attention He would be doing stuff on his laptop and sure enough he watched that whole thing because you are fascinated by how did this happen? That's that's how I feel. Yeah, so and it's an hour. It's an hour and 12 minutes or whatever So the outcome was no more break dance in the Olympics and so people kind of think this is why but I did just want to share that I didn't totally realize this that Host countries can pick new sports like there are the core sports and then there's temporary additional sports So Paris added that Paris was like let's bring in break Paris Paris. So these break-dancy place on our Besides maybe Australia. No, I'm sure there's amazing big girls. I've heard them in Australia. I don't think Paris rhythm Anyway, I just wanted to give this update that a lot of people think it's because the Reagan controversy But it's not and LA had locked in their sports before this happened and it says Paris added breaking for 2024 But Los Angeles has chosen other events for 2028 like flag football and squash flag football fake football Tags football LA added tag You know why because it's a city that doesn't care about sports, okay? It's just not a fun sports city. Yeah, but break dancing at LA would have been so dope or any other Dancing why was that the first dancing we've seen outside of ice dancing But like it's just was a weird choice making tech talks should be an LA olympics for Nothing influencing the Olympics. That's just living in LA. That's the US Open actually which we will talk about walking down the street Okay, well, there's a couple other docs out. We just want to recommend them We won't go too hard on the rest of them But I think I did nothing I'd care that much about and I love Travis Barker louder than fear on Hulu It was filmed over the course of almost a decade of his life and there's so many different cameos or two musicians in this and I just thought like I don't really care about drumming and I was wrong. It was so much nostalgia for me about blink when 82 And they don't really even do Courtney Kardashian until the very end Yeah, I also forgot the Travis Barker was one of the original MTV like reality stars He's had a really fascinating life and music career and he's collaborated with so many people and I loved it start to finish It was just full of so much music history and I absolutely actually recommended it to me. I wouldn't have even turned it on Yeah, that one was a shock too. He I mean he loves drumming and he loves blink when 82 and the very first time we hooked up May 20th 2023 the next night they were going to blink when 82 in Boston like at the garden I assume and the other garden TD garden and like I was like thinking to stay and going but there was like no tickets left Like they didn't have an extra ticket But it's like he's a really hardcore longtime fan and I love anything music nostalgia related I really loved it too I found it really well done really inspiring. Yes Courtney is in like the fourth quarter And there's this beautiful message about their love and how she helped him overcome his fear But I also had forgotten how awful that plane crash was it was oh wait It was a really long time ago and like at the time I don't think we really knew who else was totally in the plane and their connections or or maybe we did and I just forgot But they they get into that and just how traumatizing that wasn't a survivor's guilt. He had the way they did it I thought they did a great job. Okay, so another two that we also liked death of a pastor's wife on Netflix It's three parts. It's about this religious community. This church. This young girl gets involved with this pastor She marries him and then it's sort of his behavior towards her and her ultimate death in the end is sort of what we explore throughout and Yeah, what the church community tolerates and does not tolerate It's an interesting watch. This one is shocking in so many different ways It starts hot with how they even get together and it was she was groomed and then it just gets darker from there It is like very disturbing. I did watch it. I don't know if I liked it I you know, I haven't like do I recommend it or not? It is on the darker side But I did watch it But I'm just like it making me mad I guess like it makes me mad So on the flip side of that we have maybe my favorite documentary I have seen in recent years I loved this so much So this is welcome to the family on Hulu recommended by Reyna. We were all in the Hamptons last week and Reyna was like I heard about this. Let's put it on So this documentary chronicles this 2014 murder of this Florida State University Law professor Dan Markle and then the 11-year investigation into who was responsible and his ex-wife's wealthy overbearing and saying family The reason why I think this is one of the favorite documentaries I've seen in a while it's also four parts You get a little more than some some others It is so satisfying like I just that's all say I don't want to give spoilers I didn't know about this case so I was surprised the whole time watching it I think one of the reasons I was able to enjoy it is because the subject matter wasn't so disturbing Like I think these documentaries are getting like darker and darker like yes this man was killed It's horrific. It's sad. It never should have happened But it wasn't so gruesome and grisly There's not sexual assault. There's not yeah child abuse. There's not trafficking It wasn't like a picture of the world we live in today It was just like a straightforward murder case It was just like to disguise why for his family kill his guy but like the family's involvement And like I just was like why is this more enjoyable than a lot of the other documentaries and it's because that It was just because the subject matter. It wasn't so disturbing You know what's so funny to me about this is that the murder now I'm just kidding So the whole time they're they're teasing like there's something so sinister about this family You're trying to figure out did his ex-wife's family put a hit out on him That's the whole documentary and all about like how crazy this family's relationship was with each other And they just seem like Florida Jews to me the whole documentary until the very end But like it was just like the mom was she was hyper involved in all of their lives And she was super controlling about who they dated and what they did for work and all of their life choices And I was like this sounds like every Jew on planet earth you guys are playing sinister music to make it sound sinister This is my mom and every Jewish mom on planet earth It's every floor to Jew and every mom on earth. It just it really made me laugh. They tried to make it sound so crazy And then you know you'll decide for yourself at the end I won't give it away, but it was just very funny. It was normal family dynamics to me Yeah It was like what's the problem here? I don't see but the main thing that stood out in this documentary is the Creative and honestly unnecessary choice to use these little cake topper dolls throughout So the whole imagery and the visuals they used throughout to illustrate what's happening This wedding cake and these cake to faceless cake toppers And you guys it's so stupid. It's so stupid And I don't know if it was supposed to add levity or creepiness But I guess a little bit of both because we made fun of them the whole fucking time And then there's maggots pouring out of the wedding cake. We didn't need the maggots That was disgusting But the cake toppers read it. It's so I couldn't stop making fun of it I won't point out was like the cake toppers are in a ball of pasta Like they went to this Italian restaurant and they put the little dolls in the pasta At one time I'm like the dolls are in the martini Like and then the one guy he was wearing a crown cake topper because he's in the Latin Kings Rainy goes, why is he wearing that crown? I said because he's in the gang the Latin kings Like they but they didn't have faces And you guys have got to watch this for the cake toppers They put the cake toppers in a hot tub like in a hot tub Every time they referenced anybody in this family which is about eight or nine people plus the criminals Like ten people they flash the dolls And like like you're not sure what a person looks like. So they're like let's remind people What people look like with these faceless cake toppers. None of them had a face I understand and support creativity and like little things these documentaries do By the way, Travis Barker. There's a scene where he's talking about the crash And then they show him drumming and the flames and it's a lot It is a lot. It is very intense Like but it was a creative decision that was made and I guess it could have enhanced his story But you watch these and you're kind of like did they need to do this and the cake topper dolls No, but it did make us laugh a lot and I had fun making fun of it So if you guys watch you got to see it I a friend slid in my DMs when I posted on my story She was like I'm influenced on watching this tonight and then two hours later She's like actually these fucking cake toppers. I was like I know she was like the guy with the crown He was in the Latin kings I was like I know wait till they're in the pasta I don't understand what the point of this is when people do this I don't even really like re-enact myself. Right. When you're doing a documentary and they like flash to reenactment, I'm not so stupid, I can't figure out what people look like, I can't imagine what something looks like. Anything cartoonish, I don't need like dolls, I'm part of society. I know people look like you could flash to a photo of these people, it just, it really dums it down in a way that I don't need, but I was so happy they did it this time. You don't need it. We are here because we care about this case or not. Even in Reagan, when they show her final performance on the Olympics, they are inter splicing it with her doing it like kind of on a set and it's all dark and moody and I didn't want that. I want to remember what she fucking did at the Olympics that was so out of pocket. The decisions that are being made on some of these documentaries, I just are so unnecessary and it feels like just, I don't know, someone trying to flex or like someone trying to show off. I always wonder, I mean, you and I talked about this when we see, I mean, there's been some commercials lately that were a little crazy. They're like, how did 10 people sit in a room and all sign off on this? Is there like one director of all these things, there's just a monster and nobody can reason with this person? Like, how did the dolls get made? Like, the people recreating this documentary, like, no one was like, you know, this is stupid. Having to go back to this every four to five minutes is stupid. Trust the audience to know what people look like. And also, who's in charge of the dolls and making the sets and the pasta and the hot tub? It's just like, this is a waste of time and money and resources. Who gets to keep the dolls? Like, where are the dolls now? I would buy one of those dolls just because there are like, little mini celebrities in our minds. We had so much fun making for these fucking dolls. So anyway, those are the documentaries and watch what you want, but we are all sat for this Elizabeth Holmes documentary in October. In October? Yeah. All right. Well, then we'll just take a quick break. We actually have some more TV stuff to talk about with you guys, but we'll talk about our partners. I'm telling you guys about hinge, truly, you hear us say at time and time again, our favorite dating app. We know so many people have success stories from this. We just went to a wedding from two people that met on hinge. And I think a lot of people now work from home. They don't go out as much. You need a way to facilitate meeting other people and hinge really does that better than any other dating app that I have personally seen the way the profiles are set up. They're just made to produce conversation. They say that is the app that's meant to be deleted. They really want you to be people. They want you to post great photos. They post these prompts. 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It teased a lot of tea about Alex Earl and Braxton's split and also most, most highly public size was that you were going to get this tea about Alex Cooper and Alex Earls podcast break up. I don't know. It still kind of felt, listen, if you like to show good for you, well, did you watch any more past the first episode? I only watched the first episode with you and then some stuff about Alex Earl and I watched a lot of clips about the Alex Cooper, Alex Earls stuff. Okay. Yeah, I just, this show didn't really do it for me. I think that our bar of the Kardashians is high and, you know, I'm, again, I'm not like so obsessed with reality TV, so I don't need to watch every single thing. So it really does have to grab me. I mean, we felt like in the first episode, some of these scenes like felt forced, but it's not that I find them unlikable and I think the family is fine and I'm sure that it just gets better over time. Like, this is a brand new show. Like they're just seeing what works. So it's probably not for me, but people seem to like it. Like we could certainly amplify worse families. So I just don't know. They don't have the type of fun that we saw on the Kardashians. Like it's just different, but that's also worse than talking about like millennial versus Gen Z. And I think that the younger siblings are funny and, you know, I don't know. A lot of it's obviously a lot about like TikTok and influencers and the dads and the manager. And I just don't really have anything bad to say about any of these people, the show itself just didn't really grab me. Before the show aired, Alex Earl released this text message that she said she was thinking of sending to Alex Cooper and that was really telling of just like you took a bandage of me and you're a snake and fuck you, basically. So I wonder what you think about this. This is not an original thought. I saw somebody else say this on TikTok that like an influencer at this level cannot have a reality TV show that you can't be both. And I was thinking like why was the Kardashians so incredible at the beginning? And social media just wasn't what it was today like I don't know that people feel empowered to be as silly and themselves and unedited on television now when they have these massive following. It's like I don't know that you're ever really going to get what you want out of somebody who's already so famous. They have too much of a brand to protect Alex Earl is I mean, she's highly invested in tons of companies. She probably has a pretty big staff at this point that works for her and it would just be hard to be your authentic self and you'd be your ridiculous silly self. And then you add that your family is honest with you. I didn't know that I'm going to get like the satisfaction that I want from it. Also, I don't know that I'm necessarily the audience to watch 25 year olds on TV. It's 41. Yeah. I think it's just a different time different type of family like the Kardashians got famous because of the show. They weren't already famous going into the show. We did not have the social media and the bullying and the judgment and all the things that we have today. I think that everything you're explaining is just a representation of the way the world has changed. Totally. And a kind of a bonmer of a way. So I think that we watched this realness of the Kardashians think they were messier. We were talking about it. We were like, Kim, what, Courtney and Kim threw each other against a wall. There's a self-tainer on the wall. We would see crazy stuff and like the way they made fun of each other and they were just more unfiltered and I think they cared less. And then the show changed and they got so famous and now you're watching one of the most famous families in the world do things like go to the Met Gala and then that is like entertaining and it's owned right. It's like we kind of saw their realness and their come up and then now we get to watch them living this quote unquote aspirational lifestyle that very few people get to live if you're into that kind of thing too. You know, there's been really two iterations of the Kardashians and I don't really watch it anymore. I'm back and forth on their Kardashians, I just want to like say that I respect the show and in terms of like a family reality show that's the top and that's who raised us. So it's hard if you want to compare them, they don't compare. In my opinion. I also like your point that like if we're going to platform somebody, I think Alex Rowell seems nice. I think she brings positivity to the world, pretty unproblematic. Her family and family members seem to really love each other and support each other. It seems to be a family business. If there's worse people, we could put on TV. It's probably not something I'm going to watch long term. I felt like I wanted like more concrete details about having with Alex Cooper and a bunch of situations where like we can be like, whoa, that's crazy, but also I'm just like, maybe this is a nice opportunity to not give more examples where we put more women against each other and drag other women. And like it was just sort of like a lob to me of like, all right, Alex, Earl was really young when she got into this. It didn't work out with Alex Cooper and we can kind of move on from it without dragging either one of these women so hard. Yeah, just so you can let it rest, you know, and people, whatever, people will get what's coming to them. I just say that in a general sense, you know, or not, but I just think, you know, it's just, I also just want to give grace to a first time show. They're trying a thing, you know, I'm sure it gets better throughout the season. I can't speak on the whole season. If you guys watch it all and you really think it gets so much better, just, you know, drop it in the comments. But otherwise it wasn't, you know, didn't hook me. All right, well, something that has hooked me, has hooked us, has hooked the nation now is Oreo gate. We'll tell you guys a little bit about the situation. This is just sort of gone. on viral is a situation about a mom group. There's a text message chain and people have opinions. So basically one mom drops into the mom group text chain. My daughter mentioned to somebody brought Oreos to school today. I'd like us all to agree to please not pack Oreos in everybody's lunches. And one of the moms is like, wait, is she allergic? And she's like, no, I don't let her have candy or chocolate. And I just don't want that packed in people's lunches if you could please not. And I actually found some of the moms to be more polite than I would have been. But the moms were just sort of like respectfully, no. Respectfully, I appreciate it. So then this mom escalates it to the school. And she emails the principal. And she says, I would like to have a school-wide list of yeses or noes sent out of what we're allowed to bring and not bring. And people have gotten hyper-involved in this, because this is like a level of hypersensitivity. And helicopter parenting, what other people do with their children, what they feed their children. This is not like, hey, somebody packed a swastika in their lunch. And I'd like you to maybe not pack that. It's a sweet treat. I think that you need to teach your children that they can be around things that they don't like. They can manage it in a healthy, productive way. Like, I don't even like the lesson that you're communicating to your child that they should have these type of boundaries. Yes, listen, we are going to talk about parenting. I usually never do, 'cause I don't know authority. I'm not a parent, but I, first of all, want to say that I wasn't addicted to Oreos as a kid. And my parents did not know what to do about it. But it certainly wasn't this, because I would come home and eat a slave of Oreos all 13 or whatever. And my parents really did not know what to do. And they started trying to lie to me that I was going to get some disease, like they really didn't know what to do. So I do understand. But it's such bad parenting on so many levels. Like you said, to teach your children, you're supposed to teach them to manage their emotions and triggering situations. Like you're setting up them for failure by being this restrictive. Like, what does this look like in the future for this kid? She can't go to anyone's house. She can't go on a date. She can't go to college. Certainly, she can't go to a party. She can't get her own apartment. Like, how can you raise your child like this? And also this girl, this is how you create a kid with an eating disorder or just a food obsession when you're this restrictive. Like, this little girl is going to go out into the world and spend her entire allowance on Oreos because they've restricted it. Like when you forbid stuff, it's crazy to me. When you try to forbid sexual content or alcohol or certain foods and then you send your kid to college. I mean, maybe you don't. Maybe you don't allow them to. But I find that type of parenting just wild because of what you're setting your kid up for. And now I'm going to like a whole tangent. We're talking about a little girl in Oreos. But it's just indicative of what's to come. It's funny that you hone on the food stuff. I hone in on the problem solving. So you're teaching your child that like, if you don't like something, it's not that you need to learn to manage something. You don't like it's that the world around you has to change. It's that everybody around you has to change their behavior. And this is not behavior that is reasonable to change. Like, there's nothing that a parent can put in their lunch for children that I would say that you were right to say, please don't bring this, what no matter what it smells like. I don't know that you really have the right to ask other parents to do this. But like cookies are a pretty basic baseline of like kids are going to have this. And if you have a problem with this, if we don't eat this at home, if we don't believe in things that aren't like organic and grown in the ground at home, you need to teach your child how to manage being around stuff they don't like. That no one else has a reason to change. And Ava, that's the kid's name. This is Ava's fault. This is a parent's fault. So they need to do better. The text chain, one of the moms, Charlotte, the mom's name Michelle, the mom that said no Oreos. Charlotte, another mom of the group chat, goes, I mean, I sent the Oreos laughing emoji to the whole chat. To the whole chat, not side texted. So Michelle goes, oh, okay, would you mind maybe not sending them again? And Charlotte writes, why? Another laughing emoji. Michelle, just because Ava was really upset about it and I think it would be easier if we're all consistent. Casey jumps in. I don't really think we can control what everyone else packs though. Michelle, I'm not trying to control anyone. Michelle, exactly that's what you're doing. You're trying to control the whole school at this point. She said, I'm just asking everyone to be considerate. And Charlotte, mic drop. With respect, I'm not changing my daughter's lunch because your daughter wants an Oreo. So it says, Reina, did you see this? It says, we're having every single text message. That has said, this behavior inspired all the other mothers to pack two Oreos in their kids' lunches the next day with one mom sending double stuff. I mean, that is the reaction you're gonna get from people. Like, what do you want? You know what I really loved? So Alex Hodges, or Alex Fugman on Instagram now, I was watching her talk about, she is a parenting podcast, she's a friend of ours. She said, if my child came home and told me about the Oreos, I would tell them, don't tell me. I would teach them to learn how to manage things in their own time at the school. Like, I thought that was so funny. That is so funny. Like there, or you teach them how to manage their emotions. Like, the thing I see the most about parenting when I find myself in these spaces is the number one thing you could do for your kid just set them up for success is teach them how to regulate their emotions. Because we all have emotions, certainly. We all wanna act out, but you have to regulate them. And watching my brother and my sister-in-law raise these boys when they get a little worked up and how they have them breathe and just take a beat and like, regulate themselves. I mean, I could cry 'cause it's just like, this is how this is, like, this is such a teachable moment. Like, right, and I've definitely taken two different parts of this, there's so many different aspects to discuss, but it really shows how you raise children to be in the world. And it's like sad, even though it's funny. And I hope this is a teachable moment for Michelle. Michelle's gotta calm down. She's got quartets, okay? Michelle's group texting. Everybody, please change what you do. All of you, all of you change. You know what is so crazy is like, if you just let your kid have some of these things at home, you'd be in a much better place for her for the future. Because now it's so forbidden, it's so restricted. It's all she's gonna want. And she is gonna come across it. Even if this school decided to ban Oreos, there will be something else next year. Or next week, you know, like, this is just such a slippery slope. Yeah, I think we gotta teach kids how to exist in the world. And that is from two people that do not have kids. (laughing) I mean, everything we're saying is correct. I just know, I know, it's really like not much of an opinion. Like, this is how this works. Yeah, like any, any expert professional. Well, I don't wanna be around anybody that's never been taught, how to deal with things that they don't like in the world. I can't just plug your ears and be like, I won't listen to this, I won't be around this. I don't care who you are. Okay, well, let's just discuss another controversy, which is the US Open and influencers. So this is getting a lot of press at the US Open this year, which you're currently going on, the finals will be this weekend. And people are kind of up in arms about influencers behavior at the US Open this year. And there's been a couple different clips that have gone viral of influencers using flashes or being excessively loud during sets. I guess I'm wondering why there is so much hype around this. I, in general, influencer culture can be kind of intrusive, can't be kind of annoying. I think people in general may be respectful of the spaces that they're in and not setting off flashes in restaurants if that's gonna bother people and not being loud during what is probably a more quiet match, which is tennis and golf. But in general, this is the US Open every year. This is Wimbledon every year. This is every sporting event. This is everywhere you go where you walk you take. So I'm curious what you think about why this is, I mean, other than just to like make a bunch of noise about something, who cares? I think some things happened that really maybe I've not happened before where influencers were disrupting quiet times. Like the things that I saw maybe haven't happened in the past, like where they were actually just disruptive and against the etiquette that you're supposed to follow at the US Open. Which was like during the one point and then this one, these influencers, they were all up in like their little suite like making this video and it was so loud at a time that was supposed to be quiet. So maybe those things haven't happened before and things are just getting worse, the ring light of it all. It's just the disruptiveness of it all. Like certain things are actually happening that are really do violate the etiquette of being there. Like we support people who wanna make content, put themselves out there, we say it all the time. Like we both have made a living doing this. - Yeah. - To me, it just feels so rude and privileged and tone deaf to show up at an event admittedly not caring about the sport, by the way, which I find pretty crazy when people just openly admit that. Disrupt people and then not respect the etiquette. Like that feels so crazy to me. Like I think that we've all been to things that we don't necessarily feel passionate about. Like I don't know the Derby, that's different. It's just a different type of vibe. It's more of a party vibe. It's not like quiet tennis. You know, I think people go to the Derby to wear the hats and do the outfits. I think it's like, it doesn't feel disrespectful to the sport. There's just a different kind of event. Like if you're a woman, there are women here who have trained for this their whole lives. They're living out their dream right in front of you. There's points where you're supposed to be quiet. And you're like, I don't care about tennis. I'm just here to serve with my fits. You know, like I've just seen a lot of that content and it feels just like, keep it to yourself. Like show some respect that you get to be there for free. You know, real tennis fans or everybody's priced out of everything these days. You know, it feels kind of like, you just kind of look like an asshole when you're showing up and disrupting people. Like I think the bare minimum don't be disruptive. And like understand the rules of the game. Like Naomi Osaka came out and her quote was, I think obviously if you come to a sporting event, you have to respect the sport. And I feel like it's common courtesy to read up on the sport, especially the etiquette. I feel like it could be a good thing for people to make the sport of tennis popular to their specific audience. But I think it has to be managed a lot better, especially in this situation, like my first round, where they were disruptive and they throw her off. Like this is crazy that you could be throwing off the athletes. Like you're lucky to be there. You have to behave. And so I think her point is like that it's good that influencers are promoting tennis to their audiences. Like all this is good for the sport, but there has to be a line here. And now Wimbledon is not allowing influencer credentials. - I saw that and I mean, I just think in general, I mean, it's the same like backlash for like the knit tug at no influencer sign. Like just don't be an asshole. Like we are influencers. We've made money doing that. We think I think it's an incredible way to make money. That's great that you can produce content that people love and you make money. You make a living from it. I think in general, there has just been a backlash against influencers and the behavior. And yeah, it's annoying. It's annoying that I can't even walk down the street on the weekend without having to like swore all these lines. I think that there should be like rules and regulations for all this stuff. I just thought it was sort of interesting that the US open has become like the example people are using 'cause I feel like this is just becoming and has become more of a problem. And people, no matter where they are, have to be aware of their surroundings. And to your point, you know, people trained for this their entire lives. So for 18 influencers to be making a TikTok all at the same time chanting together, it's a lot. Well, the announcer had to come on and say put the ring light away. Like this is the first at least that we have been exposed to true breaking of rules, disruption from influencers. They've gone rogue. You know, like did you see that? The announcer had to be like, you have to stop what you're doing. I wonder why this year is, if they're saying it's worse than it's been in the past. Like, you know, the US open and whimbled into it, but always been influencer and celebrity central. And I wonder if people's behavior is just becoming even more, just like so much more entitled. Like the levels of entitleness. Maybe people have got to stop it with this nonsense. Like, I don't know if you saw this ring light with Ariana Grande concert. Like someone had a giant ring light that was facing her. So also the blinding, the people behind her in the dark at this concert. Like it's got to stop and you won't be able to bring ring lights in places anymore if you keep this up. You know, like you got to behave or your privileges are going to get taken away. We can't have nice things anymore. Yeah, exactly, kind of nice things. Okay, well let's just talk about our remaining partners and then we will get into your headlines. So I am telling you guys about revolve. This is where we get so many of our clothes. I am so excited. Reyna, I have this Alastin Olivia leather jacket on the way. It has this like tall neck. I am so excited about it for fall. And speaking of fall, the fall shop is open on revolve. Everybody check it out. Go to revolve and you can find the fall shop and you are going to see sets and sweaters and jackets and accessories. I am dying over this like silk skirt set. So much plaid. I am loving all the plaid. 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OK, we're going to give you guys your headlines and send you off into the week. So Fager Parks and her Trader's co-star, CT, have confirmed their romance. And this is not a couple I ever saw coming. Good for them. I just-- it's so funny, because I'm just like-- Fager. Things like this remind you how old you are. Because I'm like, CT. Is a CT like 22? Because he was like on road rules when we first saw for the first time. I was like, oh, Fager, got yourself a younger man. He's 46, and she's 52. Good for them. I love an unexpected couple. They basically hard-launched on the red carpet of the Creative Arts Emmys and let them cook. Good for them. And listen, I like seeing older love. It gives me hope. 52. 52 and 46, we love that. Go on, CT. All right, well, next. Donald Trump debuted a new haircut. New hair do. Actually, let me wide this back. New hair color. It's something I never saw coming. It's brown. He looks like he decided to go brunette for fall, groundbreaking. And he took his usual yellow hair and gave it a brown hue. It doesn't match. Donald Trump had a whole color palette going on. He'd orange skin, yellow hair. Like, this is just so jarring to see. But I don't know what he's doing. Why now? It's just he's too old for a new hair color. It's been so many years of this. We've committed to it as a society, your skin color, and your hair color. And then I saw also that it was back to the normal color by the end of the day. Oh, so this is like a non-story. I think that-- I mean, it is a story, though. I mean, it looks crazy. He's a brunette. He was just trying something out. You know, you can change your hair, but it doesn't change the fact that you're a rapist and a pedophile. And you will go down in history as the worst leader to ever come into power in the United States of America. So change your hair all you want, but it doesn't change who you are. We'll still know who you are. Bethany went to Burning Man. Bethany Franco went to Burning Man. And once again, I was reminded that people pay to go to this. Every year, I'm like, this is my nightmare. This is an apocalyptic hell. And people are like, this is my dream. And if you like it, I love that for you. But it couldn't be me. I am so amazed. Actually, the people pay money to go to this. There's windstorms, there's floods. The whole thing is based on trading different stuff. I've never seen one video of Burning Man in my life that made Burning Man look fun. I mean, if you are capable of doing enough drugs to make Burning Man fun, then good for you. I love the outfits. I mean, truly, I themed my whole birthday party around it last year. I love the outfits. But even I have a limit for where I will go for a theme. Every year, a new detail emerges. That reminds me why this is my nightmare. Like, I think what you wait in line for the 10 hours to get in-- To get into the fairgrounds, yes. - Oh, it's flood, there's always sandstorms. - And then you're camper, you can't keep the sand and the dirt out of all of your things. People are fighting for their lives, but this is what they wanna do and the hell they wanna spend their money, let 'em cook, but Bethany went, I don't know if she's made her full statement. I saw her speaking on it, this is a different universe and I don't quite have the words yet. I'm not a fan of Bethany, but I was like, I gotta check this out. And the memes are so funny and the goggles and her climbing on top of her RV, it's just been totally insane, so I'm sure by this time she is spoken on, she's given her full statement, but I'm curious about it. 'Cause I always wanna understand the allure. I'm just curious. I don't have the stomach for it. And then I've seen some things where these artists build this really incredible, these installations and things, and they're really meaningful and beautiful and special, and it's like, well, we don't see all that. You know, I just think we just see like the party and the sandstorms and all the things, but, you know. - I'm sure there's value to it. It couldn't be me, okay. I'm just, I'm too weak of a person and I need to be close to everything. Shower is running water, toilets, everything. - It's the grocery stores. - We're never gonna camp and he sends the word. - People always work what about? No, what about nothing? I'm sleeping in a bed. - Absolutely. You wanna do that? Be one with nature, just I'm not coming. - So the Lindsay Clancy trial, a Miss trial was declared this one juror. It sounds like there was a lot of problems and the other jurors were like, he's not getting it and he's said conflicting things and private and all this stuff, so this one man, they declared a Miss trial. You guys have probably seen this. We don't need to get too much into it. As of today though, her lawyer, Big Red, is that what they call him. He has basically appealed to Donald Trump for a pardon. Ford Lindsay Clancy, who Donald Trump has in so many words said she's guilty, which is like also what he can't do. The president can't like influence a trial in that way. So people are saying this is strategic and Big Red is playing chess to get Donald Trump to speak on this, to bait him essentially. There's no way there will be another fair trial. Basically, that's what people are saying, because why else would they ask him for a pardon? He is not in support of her. - I don't know, I think that like if I was on trial, it's like you might as well try, he's so stupid. I mean, you just might catch him on the right day. You might appeal to him in the right way. I mean, honestly, I'd rather go to jail than bargain with Donald Trump. But just because I didn't really understand it, Miss trial doesn't mean that she's acquitted. This trial just means that basically they can just try her again, but we'll see. - We'll see what they're doing. I think appealing to Trump is crazy work. So they, it seems like they are making moves. And lastly, this might be my favorite headline of the week, The Disruptive Passenger Lane Lundin on an American flight. He was acting crazy. He was yelling slurs. I think he used the N word against a flight attendant and was making threats. And they restrained him with zip ties and duct tape. It's all probably over your feed. - I don't even know where to start with this. - The photos are insane. I know it wasn't all over my feed. And the photos, he has duct tapes so many times to the back of the seat. - They have his forehead duct taped. Did they even need to? It looks absolutely insane. And so he was zip tied first. And it was two passengers who I think are ex cops. I believe they were coming back from a gun expo. And so they took it into their own hands and helped duct tape him. Because I read that he was threatening to pull the emergency door. So he was like a threat. So they had to restrate him, zip tied him, taped him down. And then they had to do an emergency landing in Baltimore. They were going from Dallas to Newark, New Jersey. And they had to land in Baltimore and he got arrested. What I would have paid to witness this. We are not seeing people get duct taped enough. - His ankles, his knees, his neck, his wrists. And then they duct tape his whole body like eight times to the seat, like this is crazy. - And there's this one flight has had to stay in there handing more tape. Like that would be me. Like that I got another piece of tape. This is just so crazy. And like does every plane have duct tape? Or do we need to start traveling with it just in case? Like does every plane, what does every plane have to restrain their passengers? And by the way, this was on an American flight. - Of course it was. Of course it was American. - Hear me out. I think it's giving United the chaos that he rubs on an United flight. But if it would have been American Philly flight attendants, they wouldn't have needed the help of those passengers. The Philly American flight attendants are the most savage unhinged in the best way. They would have handled this without any help. - I think hog tying a passenger to a seat is so American. Like nothing fun ever happens on Delta. This is an American. - Yes, but passenger wise, he's giving United. But then again, if he's like a racist, he's gonna fly American. Like that's the only airline he'd probably be comfortable with, but based on the name alone. So this man has also, he was a realtor in Tucson and he has since been fired. So there is justice in the world. He was obviously arrested as soon as they landed in Baltimore, which you know, and arrest in Baltimore just feels appropriate and he has since been fired from his job. Everybody knows who he is. - You know, I'm glad that this happened, but is it legal? Is it just like you can restrain someone if they need to be restrained at whatever means necessary? - Ah, is it legal? Why would it not be legal? - It's just a duct tape of it all. Like I feel like I thought these planes, I think maybe I thought planes had something more high tech to restrain passengers. - Okay. It's out, it's just tape. - As a federal aviation lawyer, I think that for the safety of the passengers, you gotta do what you gotta do. And maybe there aren't a lot of handcuffs on planes and weapons because they could be used by people for bad stuff. And so it's just like you gotta use kitchen stuff, you know? Like saran wrap if duct tape is not available. - Is this what air marshals for? - But is there an air marshal on every flight? - I guess there's not. And actually I think there's less lately, I could be wrong. 'Cause I was quite curious about this too. 'Cause for anyone who's seen sprites maids, you're always like where's the air marshal? - Well there's thousands and thousands of flights a day. They're like, couldn't be an air marshal on all of them. - Yeah, so sometimes you need these X-Cops coming from a gun, X-Bow, out of New Jersey. So, you know, those are the heroes we needed in this moment. And he's been fired and he got what he deserved to sell. Shout out to them. - Okay, okay guys, well that's your snack. Girlsgottaeat.com, you can follow us at Girlsgottaeed podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Rain is Raina.greenberg, Raina Greenberg.com for her tour tickets. She'll be in Cincinnati tonight and lots more tour dates over the fall. 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