The Show: Terrance Ferguson's Usage, Bold Predictions, and More

This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. You're about to listen to the late-round fantasy football show which originally aired on YouTube. If you'd like to catch the show live this season, you can head to the late-round fantasy football YouTube channel at youtube.com/atlateroundff. We'll be live every Friday at 1 p.m. Eastern. Without further ado, here's this week's episode. [Music] Welcome in. Welcome in. It's the late-round fantasy football show. David Kitchen here alongside Hattless JJ Zacharyson. JJ, how are you? I'm good. There are, so for the audio listeners who listen in the podcast feed, now on Saturdays, P-trip in chat is giving odds on whether or not I wear a hat on the stream. So today's no hat odds were minus 220. So I'm not wearing a hat. You're not getting that good of a payout though, if you bet that side. Yeah. All right, JJ, we are two games in and we still have so much more left like to go. So as far as like your process, this is our sixth show of the week. Six episodes of the week. Yes. So we have a lot going on and then you are also updating the rankings more frequently now. Yes. Yes. I am updating a lot more frequently because we have the website. Is my connection bad right now? Is that what people are saying? You sound fine. Yeah, it seems fine, right? Yeah, come on, P-trip. If you can't be doing that in a live show throwing that out there that there was a Wi-Fi issue or something. But yeah, anyway, the website, the way things are set up right now. I can update rankings a lot quicker. We're getting those out super fast. I was able to update them already this morning. This is Friday, post Thursday night football. So yeah, at the beginning of every season, it's always a learning curve. You've got to get used to your new schedule and such. I think this week has gone pretty well all things considered. It's a short week, too, because of Labor Day. I work on Labor Day every year. But it's nice to get an Arrhythm. And this is a rhythm that we'll be in for the next 16 weeks. Okay, yeah, we've got all of our rankings, our members Q&A, our Discord chats happening. You can get there lateround.com and purchase the insider or all access package. So as far as the stuff we have going on, Sundays will be popping in the chat. It's already been popping in the Discord chat, but it'll be popping even more Sunday mornings. So make sure that if you're a member, you are in a Discord or you're just looking at the rankings. We have timestamps up for those. So it should be fun. But JJ, we can. Yeah. And next week, rest of season rankings start. Yeah. Next week. Yes. Yes. So had you already said that? Was I? Okay. I'm sure. No, you're good. It's a great start to the week one episode that we have going on here. If I've discovered anything, it's like, there's, I told you this earlier, it's this mix between like the seasons over or the pre-season's over and the real seasons about to begin. So I'm like sandwiched between still like customer service stuff and answering emails, helping people on board and also looking forward to this upcoming week. I'm ready to get into a routine. JJ, I can't wait. And I'm also ready to get into today's news and notes today's fantasy news. All right. Lots of talk about today, two games in. Last year, we hadn't had the Friday game. I think that was the Brazil game yet. So two games in, JJ, want to get some, some reactions from you. And let's start. Start with last night and then we'll go to the Thursday night, or the Wednesday night game. We'll start with last night. And let's start with the Rams tight ends because you were out there battling on the internet streets this morning and last night with some trolls. Yeah. A lot of people were coming at me. This is just the way that it works during football season. I'm not complaining. It's fun. And if I'm responding to people, I am not upset. I promise it's just me having fun. That's all this is. Okay. So if you guys see me on Twitter, you don't need to say don't respond to the, I'm fine. Okay. This is just, unless you're going to start digging it like me and my family or something like that, that's when I'll actually get mad and I'll, you know, do something about it. Like football talk, whatever, that's all funny games, right? That's what we're here for. I like to converse with people. I like to have conversation about this kind of stuff. Otherwise, why would I, why, why would I be doing this for a living? Like why would this be my job if I didn't like talking about football with everybody? And so the Terrence Ferguson thing is really interesting to me the way that people have reacted. Now, I'm going to say a general thought that I think everyone should take away from this show if nothing else is that you, me, people in general will be overstating the living crap out of what goes on in week one. I mean, it is unreal how people, I mean, remember last year, Keon Coleman was a league winner after week one last year, you know, there's, there's going to be stuff that the Raiders beat the Patriots last year in week one, you know, like we have to remember that this is just one game. I don't really care. I mean, of course, I care about production, but I want to see, you know, initial usage. I want to see kind of what these coaches might be thinking about these players and then dig into the reason why, okay? So obviously, you know, I like Terrence Ferguson. I think that he's a good prior. I thought he was a good prospect. I think he's a good prospect still if you want to call him that. There's a lot to like about the Rams offense in general and a lot of people on social media post this Thursday night game, we're essentially saying that it's just a hive mind, you know, group thing type exercise when it comes to a player like Terrence Ferguson, where analysts are always wrong and they're wrong about this once again, okay? Like eightfold, but let's get through it. Terrence Ferguson was a late round pick. If your expectation is that a late round dart throw-ish type player is going to hit and hit right away, your expectations are all out of whack. You need to fix those expectations because double digit round picks do not give you fantasy production at a very high rate whatsoever, okay? That's the first thing. The second thing, to me, you know, I fall in line sometimes with what the general hype is saying about players, but I'm not doing it simply because, you know, it's a very basic way of approaching the game or there's like a very big, I'm trying to dig in and I'm trying to tell you guys how I actually feel about these players. And so with Terrence Ferguson, there is a lot of good data that suggests that previous season A dot and previous season slot rate for late round tight ends, give them a higher chance to succeed the following season and you obviously, you want younger tight ends, you're two year three tight ends as well, generally. And so Terrence Ferguson checked those boxes. Now, he's not one of those players that are tight end that's likely going to have a top two target share on his team and that was always a big hurdle, but he was someone that I think could have been like, and maybe he's so can, you know, like a high end tight end two low end tight end one type player and fantasy football things really clicked. And so obviously we see what happens in week one, which was he had one target. He didn't catch a single pass. He was a zero. Now I had a rank that tight end 24, tight end 25 or something at the beginning of the week. So it's not like I had very high expectations for Ferguson going into this game. When you're throwing late round darts in your draft, the expectation is not that they're going to, again, produce in general, but produce right away. Otherwise, they wouldn't be late round picks, right? Of course, we'd want that to happen, that's just, that's just not realistic, okay? So I said a tweet out after half time that said Terrence Ferguson had a 73% route share, which is factual. We have a great partner this year with our data and we're going to be able to do stuff like that more frequently and get some of this data and more real time. And it's awesome. And hopefully you guys enjoyed those insights and the data dumps this year are going to be even better. And so I had that data and I sent that out guys, route share matters, route share matters a lot at tight end and that wide receiver. And in fact, with today's data in just a second, we'll be talking about route share and it's importance to fantasy production. But here's a little, a little tease to this, okay? If you look at tight ends 2016, who have had a 70% route share or better, 66% of them scored 10 or more PPR points per game in that season, okay? Unfortunately Terrence Ferguson had a 22% route share in the second half. So his route share was like 48% in the game overall. And the biggest problem for Ferguson is that he needs to overcome not playing much at all in 11 personnel. The majority of his routes are coming in 12, 13, more or mostly 13s. They play so much 13, 13 personnel. So there's a lot of tight ends on the field and then he's running routes in those scenarios. But I did say this to somebody on Twitter that I think is a really important hypothetical to walk through and to think about, okay? As we go into week one and we think about how to manage our fantasy teams and what's predictive and what's not. So here's a hypothetical that I want to throw out to you guys, okay? Consider a, you have two bench tight ends, okay? And it's week one, week one's done. You didn't use either of them, okay? they were on your list. your bench. Titan A has a 20% route share in week one, a 10% target share, and 14 PPR points. Okay? Titan B has a 70% route share, a 5% target share, so the target share is lower than Titan A and doesn't score a single PPR point. Which Titan end would you find more attractive to go after off the waiver wire after week one? And to me, it's the guy who didn't score a single fantasy point, but ran a route on 70% of the team's dropbacks versus the one who ran around on 20% of the team's dropbacks. If you go and you look at players, there hasn't been a single player since 2016, who had a sub 30% route share at Titan End and scored more than eight PPR points per game in a season. So the reason why we care about route share is because in order to get a target and then to get a reception and then to get a yard and to maybe get a touchdown, you have to be running a route. And in order to run a route, you need a high route share. You need a team to be deploying you and allowing you to run that route. And Terrence Ferguson in the first half was doing that. If Ferguson had a 70% route share throughout the entirety of that game, he would be easily the best more than likely, the best Titan waiver wire pick pick up after week one. There would almost be no doubt, even if he only had that one target, right? We're looking at peripherals because peripherals can help us predict the future. Now, it didn't happen, you know, because the second half of that game. So, you know, the Ferguson stuff, I think is just more of like a, you can drop them in some leagues. That's fine. I think that that's a reasonable thing to like, I, you know, like if you're in a 12 team or a shallower 10 team league or something like that. Yeah. I mean, like you threw that dart in round 14, round 15. And it didn't work right away. And if you need space, whatever, I get it. I understand that. I'm still trying to hold on because I think there's talent there. And I do think the Rams offense looked like absolute garbage. And so they might be changing things up and they might want to, you know, switch the way that they deployed their tight ends. But my gosh, the response me tweeting about a 73% route share and people being like, Oh, but where's the fantasy production? Where do you think fantasy production comes from? It's coming from guys running routes. That this is what we want. And look, I'm not kidding when I say this. This is why we still have an edge in fantasy football is because people are choosing tight end a in that scenario. They're choosing the guy who had a random 14 PPR point performance off of a 20% route share when that is totally, totally unsustainable. Whereas the guy with a 65 70% route share, that's the guy that you want in your fantasy route. There's going to be some players out there like a K dot and Theo Johnson last year was kind of one of them who has a high route share and just doesn't give you that amazing of production. But there's a difference when you have a year to player who was a good prospect in a really good offense. That's that's the the logic behind a Terrence Ferguson type ad and type play. So I just want to walk through the process of all of that because I think it's very important. This time of year, week one, we're looking at peripherals because those peripherals will eventually lead to fantasy points. Yeah. And you mentioned it in the discord chat. Maybe the most concerning thing wasn't Terrence Ferguson at all. It was the people that had paid up for Devonte Adams. Yeah. Like if you want to complain about a player yesterday's game, it's a hundred percent. I mean, maybe Matthew Stafford, but it's a hundred percent Devonte Adams. You know, Adams had a lower snap rate. Although, again, I think snap rate is a metric that gets a little bit overused at pass catcher because obviously, like they're going to be out there on run plays. That's not that important for fantasy purposes. Like we care more about the route share stuff. But even Devonte Adams, he missed out on a route in the green zone last night, you know, within the 10 yard line. And Puken, Akua played all of those, those brought. Remember, I talked about this on the 10 trends episode earlier this week where, you know, Devonte Adams was used so much in that, you know, within at the goal line within the 10 yard line, Puken, Akua played more than he did in that area. Puken, Akua, if that continues, like if that were to just continue the rest of the season, Nikua could break records in fantasy football. Like he, because the Rams, the Rams passing attacks are going to be that bad every single week. He's just not going to happen. And so, like it was kind of an insanely encouraging usage for, for Puken. And then for Devonte Adams, yeah, like that's the guy you spent a fifth round pick on, maybe a sixth round pick, but a fifth round pick on Devonte Adams. And he does what he did, you know, the Terrence Ferguson stuff, even the Matthew Stafford stuff. Like you could replace those players and that's why they're late round picks. And that's why we can throw those darts and just see what happens. But the Devonte Adams thing to me was a bigger deal. Yeah. And we'll talk about the, the Wednesday night game in a second, but Niners defense looked really good. Seahawks defense looks really good. You know, you know, just have to keep that in mind. A little bit of context you're talking about your, your players. Yeah. And Chameleon Bay has historically been really bad against Kyle Shanahan for the record. So it's another, another thing to keep in mind. Okay. We had Cranace McAfry out there. I didn't know, no one knew this until today that he was dealing with Cranace last night. You know, I had a lot of Caelan Black in that game. And honestly, look good. And not a lot of runs rushes in that first half at least for CMC. Yeah. I want people to be careful about the way that and look, I'm saying this as like, you know, your analyst, right? Like you're listening to the show right now because you want to hear analysis and I'm the way that I kind of approaches that like I want to do this with you. And then I want to I want to say tell you guys like what I'm looking for and looking at in order to not overreact or underreacts with these players. Caelan Black, there was one run, I think in the third quarter where he kind of hit the outside and he went in between like the corner and the D. And maybe as a linebacker. And he cut it and he, you know, he was like a 15 yard gain or something like that. And the late round discord was like, man, Caelan Black looks really good. He looks really good. And then you look at the replay. And the whole that he ran behind was just gaping, right? And so you can't I'm not saying you discredit Caelan Black for that, you know, obviously that's the offense that he's in and he hit the hole and he played it right. I mean, he gained good yardage, but it's not as impressive as if a player is breaking arm tackles and doing, you know, going going that route in order to do so. And so it's kind of interesting like when you look at the advance metrics from the game last night in that back field. Caelan Black was good. He had a 3.57 adjusted yards after contact per attempt. Kirschmacher was at 5.22 last night. CMC looked really, really good when he was actually, you know, doing things and it was all between the tackles when he was doing a lot of his awesome work. And then the other thing too is that Caelan Black had a lot better yards before contact than then CMC did it like half a yard. So he was in more advantageous situations and then he wasn't necessarily doing quite as much as CMC was after that initial contact. I thought Caelan Black looked good though. You know, he, I don't know if he's going to be used that much as like a receiver, but it was sort of like a, and we'll get to this in a second too, a sort of like a, a Rams backfield in the way that they deployed, you know, maybe we won't get to the, are we going to get to the Rams backfield at some point? Yeah, we can talk about it. But the, the Kyron Williams-Blakeorum thing where we're like, you know, Caelan Black wasn't running a ton of routes, Christian McCaffrey had a 50% route share. He had a 44% targets per out run rate, which is absolutely bonkers. So I think the Cramps probably played somewhat of a role here. He only had a 33% rush share, 55% snap shares, basically like one of the lowest that we've seen in a completed game from him since he joined the 49ers. I think the Cramps probably played some role. He didn't have the same kind of like training camp and, you know, August that he's, that he's had in the past, they're probably going to slow play it a little bit. But I don't think that we're going to see the kind of usage we saw last year from CMC. Probably not a terrible thing for fantasy though because he'll end up hopefully then being fresher and staying healthy. And, you know, obviously like last year was awesome. He's such a PPR scam. But, you know, this year, I think that he can still be in RB1 very easily, given how well that offense performed last night against a really good defense on paper. Niners offense look good in general. My Kevin's look great. So what user Boogie says. I mean, he, I mean, you think about just all the stuff that happens in preseason and we kind of got a reality check because what happened? Dejan Stribling had got, had all this steam behind him. People were kind of fading Mike Evans because of all the injuries. We talked about it on this show. You liked Mike Evans. Last night, he looked vintage Mike Evans. Dejan Stribling goes down with an injury, we're hearing it's an ankle injury, not an Achilles. So that's good. And then the Marcus Robertson steps up into that role. Yeah. So post injury. And this is another thing that I can finally do a little bit more with more detail with our data. But post injury, DeMarcus Robinson led the 49ers in route share at 77%. So that's definitely interesting. If you look at him pre-stribbling ankle injury, Robinson at 26% route share. So it went up to 77%. That was by far the biggest difference and differential because he looked at Mike Evans. He had 71% post injury. Pre-injury is 59%. Debo, 42% to 59%. You know, there was like a rotation that we saw that the one thing that was kind of interesting to me was that while Stribling was active last night, Mike Evans was playing more in the slot than than I anticipated. Like I think it was like a 36% slot rate or something like that. And then he finished the game closer to like 15, 17%. I mean, obviously that's good from just the creating advantageous matchup standpoint. But that's not really what Mike Evans has done historically. And so I think Stribling did give them a little bit more of that versatility and the offense if he was going to be a full took because he can be like they were using him on on non-pass. plays frequently because he can block well. So I think that injury does hurt like the versatility of things, but then you're going to see more of that target funnel to those other guys. The Marcus Robinson is the one that kind of gets the most natural boost from the injury, because he goes from someone that you weren't thinking about at all, to someone who obviously is going to be on the field a good bit. All right. Blake co-run, putting that because he looked good while running the ball, JJ. Yeah. Look, I said this in the discord today. I might become like a Kyron Williams truth through this year, which is hilarious because it's just not been on brand for me necessarily over the, you know, at least last year or two years ago, maybe. But yeah, like it's just wild to me that people are saying that this is just like, like I saw you know, sleeper had a tweet where, you know, and I understand that social media people on these big platforms, you know, they're like 24-year-old kids just trying to get engagement and such, right? And so, but they sent a tweet out that was something along the lines of like, it's a true or a true battery, like a true split or something like that or time share. And it really wasn't a true time share between Blake Corm and in Kyron Williams. Kyron Williams had a 63% snap share, Blake Corm, 23%. It was an even 70 to 30 or it was even 70 to 30 when that game was within seven points when the Rams were running their offense within a touchdown. I talked about this on the 10 trends episode earlier this week too. And I think that I'm glad that I talked about it because I think we saw it come to fruition where we need Blake Corm to do more as a receiver. Otherwise, he's mostly a handcuff that isn't going to give you the most predictable production unless you know for sure the Rams are going to go into a game and slaughter the opponent and you know, being this really nice positive game script. But Blake Corm ran one route last night, guys. He ran one route and he was very, very inefficient per route run last season. So, look, they're going to rotate drives. I did, you know, look, if you look at what happened like close to the end zone and in the red zone and stuff, they did use Kyron Williams more than Blake Corm in the red zone last year or last night. But with that being said, you know, they're rotating drives that could have just been like a luck thing for Kyron that the good drives he happened to be on the field for and he was the main running back in those positions. But Kyron had a 72% route share last night and Blake Corm, like I said, had one route run. So he needs to see that pass catching stuff for him to be like a legitimate threat from a fantasy perspective. And there's nothing in the data that suggested that should happen. Like Kyron Williams, when he came out of college, people forget this. He was like a really, really, really good pass catcher. Like that was his thing. He was a questionable, you know, how much work is he going to see given his size on the ground type of player in prospect. But his receiving profile was borderline elite. And so Kyron Williams seeing work through the air is probably going to continue to happen, especially if they do end up falling into these negative game scripts, which is what happened last night. And that's going to be really good for his fantasy value overall. You need more work as a receiver to be able to be a legitimate threat to be start worthy each and every week. So until we see that change more consistently, I'm not going to be, you know, super, super thrilled about Blake Corm, at least from like a predictability standpoint. Yeah. We were robbed of some sort of rushing touchdown when they tried to sneak in Matthew Stafford at the one. And then also we're robbed of garbage points. I thought we're going to get some garbage points at the end. And then he trots out, you know, with three minutes left. Yeah, stats and Bennett and the back, I forget who the backup running back was. But guys that you used to rip. Yes. Yes. Guys that you remember from like the prospect guy two or three years ago. Yeah. Getting to the game on Wednesday night, Patriots, we're just reminded about the brutal nature, immediately reminded about the brutal nature with Sam Darnell going out and then AJ Brown also being hurt. Yeah. So AJ Brown's injury, I think, is so like obviously like the Sam Darnell thing, it sounds like it's only going to be there. It sounds like it could be like a week or two. Like it's not nearly as bad as it initially seemed. I thought Drew Locke actually played okay. He's got a little bit of rushing juice, you know, from a standalone value, maybe superflex standpoint. You know, I think JSN was bailed out a little bit on that touchdown in terms of fantasy production because New England, they even talked about it after the game. It kind of sold out on the run on that play. And then obviously JSN took advantage. JSN's unbelievably good. You know, we had talked a lot about him with baseball and such because I kept getting like the 105 to 107 in these best ball drafts. So I have a lot of JSN in my portfolio. I think that the way he combats a lot of the efficiency from regression that's going to come from last year, it is through more volume, just naturally Seattle's probably going to throw more. The defense look good obviously in week one, but I still don't think it's going to be as good as it was last year because it's just really hard to maintain that kind of dominance. So we'll see what happens there. But JSN's fine. Even a Drew Locke is starting. I think JSN's fine. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, what were you going to say there? Well, so we have some breaking news that Tua is out. Not going to be playing with talk about that in a second, but I want to get to the Giderian price usage because Giderian price looked really good. Again, looked really good. But then we were just reminded about the Seahawks backfield. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to do the AJ Brown stuff too, just if people are curious about, so I'll talk since I'm talking about the Seattle. I'll talk about Giderian price. So price had a 58 or 48% rush share, a 50% snap share, a 41% route share. Those are the things that I talked about on the mailbag episode this week. If you look at that, you know, at face value, it's RB3 type usage from a fantasy perspective. Like it's high end, maybe mid RB3 type stuff, like RB30 type usage. The problem obviously is that he was, you know, subbed out for a manual Wilson on that short, you know, short down and distance play close to the end zone before they were penalized. So it didn't really count. So we don't really have data for that because it didn't count, but he was subbed down short, short down and distance, short yardage, down distance. And so that means that he's probably not going to be the goal line back. And then, you know, the route share was 41%, which is, it's okay, but he wasn't playing on third downs. He wasn't running routes on third downs. That was George Alani. And I know that it's frustrating. And I'm with you. I think it is frustrating because I thought Giderian price at least looked good. He looked explosive. You know, the stuff that that we liked on the ground from him in college definitely was translating. But Seattle's a team where last year I said this on the show this morning, the mailbag episode. But Seattle's a team where they split their backfield last year. And they were rewarded with a Super Bowl win and the guy who helped them get there and get it done was the MVP of the game and kind of Walker who was fresh. You know, and eventually Giderian price is going to have Zach Charbonne coming back from injury. And so I do fear for sure that Giderian price is going to be more lives up to expectation where he was drafted in terms of points for game and such, but doesn't necessarily far exceed it. He's going to have spiked weeks because he has big playability. But and I don't think he's like bench worthy or anything like that. I'm just saying that I don't know if we're going to see a league winning type season from Giderian price this year, just based on the fact like if if we would have seen a scenario where he had like a, you know, like a 75% snap share and he had a 55% route share and things were I would feel better about this. But the fact that they are using George Hullani, the fact that Emmanuel Wilson still involved, the fact that Zach Charbonne is going to be coming back eventually and the fact that they have this history of the way they deployed the backfield last year. And by the way, Kenneth Walker, I think we should say is a better player than generic like veteran Kenneth Walker is a better player than rookie Giderian price. Now I might not end up being that way, but I think from a projection standpoint, we should make that assumption generally speaking. And so I don't mind price. I think he's a hold overall on fantasy, but I do think we should temper expectations that, you know, as good as players sometimes look, it's not the way that that volume always matches, you know, the teams can do whatever they want in their backfield. And I think Seattle, at least over the next couple of weeks, will probably still use more George Hullani than we want. And is what I'll say. And then the last thing with this game, AJ Brown, I'll just give you guys some some route share numbers before and after that injury for AJ Brown. So Demario Douglas actually led the team in routes, which is crazy. But he went from a 74% route share pre injury to an 83% one. Now keep in mind, they were trailing down the stretch in that game and trying to come back. So they were running out of a lot more 11 personnel. We'll see what happens. You know, now that this is like solidified and they know going into the game, they're not going to have AJ Brown. I think we might see a little bit more 12 and Eli Raridan getting a little bit more work, even though he did score that touchdown. But Eli Raridan might get more work without AJ Brown. So Demario Douglas goes from a 74% route share to 83%. Romeo Dobbs only had a 53% route share before AJ Brown went down and then it turned into 79% when AJ Brown was out. Mac Hollens is probably the biggest one, the biggest jump. He went from 21% to 71% and then Kyle Williams 11% to 21%. So, you know, if you were to like throw a dart at someone on the waiver wire, I'm probably saying Mac because Demario Douglas is kind of a lower ceiling asset in the way that they deploy him. I also worry about what happens if they run more 12. So Mac Hollens is probably the guy, but I just I think it's going to be a committee approach a wide receiver, if you will. It's like we saw this last year, right? Like this is the essentially the wide receiver room from last year, except you have Romeo Dobbs instead of like K. Sean Booty. And it's not like we were like eager to start these guys weekend and week out. So I think that's the way we got to look at it right now. Also Drake May 0 for 12. of against teams with winning records right now in the NFL. That's kind of crazy. That is pretty crazy, but we don't say bad things about local hero, Drake May. - That's okay. - Yeah, he's from the area that I live. - Kitchen. - Cool. - Sorry. (laughs) - I don't need the May family to come to my house and stuff. - Okay, all right. - I'm just saying, I'm just kidding. No, I think it's all very valid. Like last year, I remember tweeting once about the Patriots schedule and we still meme about it and discord all the time. I was pretty close because they almost won the Super Bowl. (laughs) I made a banner about them having a good regular season record or something like that. But yeah, I mean, I think it could be somewhat of a thing, but people were looking at, I saw the one comparison to Shador Sanders over their last five games or whatever. - Yeah. - Drake May has played a gauntlet of tough defenses over his last handful of games. So let's give him a little bit of a break. I still think Drake May is a very good player. - I didn't see this, Shador Sanders won. I definitely shared the cam ward one with my cam ward hands. - Shocker. - I just needed some-- - Anything to make cam ward look not bad. 100%. I'm just an auto retweet for me. All right, speaking of quarterbacks, Tua is out. So let's lead with this and we'll get into the Bower's and Jacob's news. Tua is out. Cooper Rush is gonna be starting for the Atlanta Falcons week one. How good do you feel about those Drake London, Vijon, Kyle Pitt's teams right now? - What are you saying? You feel better that Tua is out? That with them? - No, honestly, I felt Tua is not good. - We need Michael Penex. We need Michael Penex under center. 'Cause Michael Penex with Drake London last year, Drake London with Michael Penex last year was awesome. And so I definitely, or at least ever since Michael Penex went to the league. Drake London's peripherals have been amazing with Michael Penex. So we just need that to happen. I think it's gonna happen sooner rather than later. But yeah, I mean, I think it's probably a slight bump down for these guys. You're still playing Vijon Robinson. I think Drake London is probably a little bit overvalued by the market right now, but just this week, but regardless-- - Still starting him though. - Still playing him. Yeah, unfortunately, it's like, you might honestly have a better option, but you would have a very hard time approaching Drake London, right? So yeah, like those two guys, and then Kyle Pits, I moved down to the bottom of his tier instead of towards the top of the tier. But I don't think that there's really that big of a difference here, because it's not like we had high expectations for Tua anyway. It's just gonna be a matter of, I think, how they disperse their targets, because we would feel a lot better about Vijon Robinson with Tua because he's had this tendency, regardless of personnel, to dump it off, especially since all the concussion stuff has happened. All right, now let's get to the Brock Bowers news, going to be out. At first, he said like, you know, one or two weeks, it sounds like it's gonna be later than that. He had like a month and a half. - Yeah, a little bit of his meniscus trimmed. - Yeah, no big deal. - Yeah, just the padding in between your knee, so-- - That's fine, that's fine. - Well, we just, you know, we just go to the local store and we just get our meniscus trimmed and we're fine. And we're only out for a week, it's no big deal. - No, I mean, it's bad if you get Michael Mayer, I would pick up Michael Mayer, I think he could be a tight-end one without Brock Bowers. I mean, I talked about this on the show that dropped earlier this morning. Michael Mayer's peripherals last year without Bowers, 2.22 yards per out run rate, you know, 28% targets per out run, 12 PPR points per game in a really bad offense. Like, there's a lot to like about Michael Mayer without Brock Bowers, so I think that if you have Bowers and I do on some teams, I picked up Michael Mayer on some of them, you know, in the non, I think I only have, like I only got Bowers in leagues where they were shallower, you know, the stuff that I preach all the time about going after onesy positions. So Michael Mayer in those situations should be, or was available when all that happened. And I think he's actually gonna be okay, Michael Mayer. And we'll talk about him in a little bit. - Yes, I benched George Kittle last night for Michael Mayer based on our rankings. And that first drive for the Niners, I was like, you were cursing my name. - What have I done? But it turned out okay. - All right, we have more of a roller coaster with the Josh Jacobs situation. Now it looks like he's going to plead guilty to some lesser charges there. So we had all of our legal experts in the chat. It was nice, say, I will say it was nice in the discord having multiple lawyers in the chat, that were kind enough to kind of break things down for. - Unfortunately lawyers though, know that they can't speak in absolutes because they're smart people. - Yeah, they're giving themselves some outs. - Yeah, well, I mean, it's just really difficult. There's like different jurisdictions and it's all, so he pled no contest, Josh Jacobs, which essentially isn't a mission of guilt without having to say like, I did this, right? And so, you know, he's still on this exemplar list. I sent a message to discord members on a yesterday so on the 10th. And I said in the redraft channel that I actually think Josh Jacobs now, like in this, there's a very short window probably where I might try to trade for Josh Jacobs in my redraft leagues for very little, you know, just try to lowball something and see what, 'cause the headlines right now are, you please no contest, he's still on the exemplar list. Like those are two very bad things, but realistically, as he's on the exemplar list it can count towards his suspension. So if they deem that this is six game suspension, you know, he's already serving one game, so it's five more. So that's kind of, I'm now of the belief that I think Jacobs is gonna be suspended for six games. Now, you know, Drew Davenport, who's, you know, a friend of the show who's done a lot of good legal work in the past, you know, he makes the point and then I think as important is that Jacobs being put on the exemplar list to begin with kind of does signal that there could be something that the NFL, whether it's that video that's kind of been rumored going around or whatever the case may be, that the NFL has like more information than what the public does. But I do think that the most likely outcome right now is probably a six game suspension. And we'll see though, because I, you know, if March on Lloyd shows up and there's probably gonna be more of a committee in the Green Bay back field whenever Josh Jacobs comes back, if he comes back. So still a lot up in the air, but that's kind of my feel right now and yes, it's gross. I get it, you know, I'm not, I'm only saying this from a fantasy football perspective and analyst perspective, not, you know, a real life. If you don't want to trade for Josh Jacobs, totally understand. - Yeah. Okay, the guys that we are concerned about, Jinti, love, neighbors, even though he, you know, put out some stuff that looks like he's on track to play. All these guys on track to play for week one. So that's good. Keep an eye on alerts on Sunday morning. And but the last thing is the Alvin Camera looks like he's been playing week one. That's a shocker to me. - Yeah, I'm not, I didn't really change that much with the HN ranking. I bumped them down, I think one or two spots just because we could end up seeing a little bit less pass catching from him. But, you know, it's hard to project what Alvin Camera's workloads gonna look like just in general. So, you know, let's just see what it looks like. I'm fine with just being kind of a week late if Camera is useful in some way. I don't think that people are gonna have to play him in week one and most leagues. And it probably does do a little bit to Travis HN. - I'm Britt Coleman and I'm Trevor Sikama. If you ever watched a game and wondered what really made the difference beyond the final score, that's exactly why we created NFL Pro-Scrowed got a man wide open, touchdown, stay locked. - Every week we use exclusive next-gen stats insights and NFL content to break down the biggest stories, matchups, and moments from around the league. 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So sorry to the audio listeners out there, but I'm giving you. you as a visual of how correlated PPR points per game is to route share, okay. Now, the way that R squared works, the TLDR saying that this is how much this variable explains this variable, right? And so when you have a larger sample of like bad tight ends like this one showing, you can see that cluster in the bottom left of this chart that's just going to increase your correlation, your R squared number. And so when you go out on, I've said this before in the show, but if you go out on the Twitter streets on social media and someone's asking you what the R squared is of whatever you're looking at, it's kind of irrelevant without understanding the sample and getting any sort of comparison, right? What I can tell you is that within this sample that I'm using, which is every tight end that basically ran routes last year and played eight games, or maybe not even, I don't even think that was a qualifier, but what I can tell you is that the R squared, so how much of this explains this, it's the easiest way to think of it. The R squared for route share versus PPR points per game is almost identical to target share versus PPR points per game because route share is very, very important. You can see some of these pictures in the top right where you get like, you know, the Bowers, the Tremac bride, George Kittle and Tucker Kraft are these anomalies who are, you know, not getting as good of a route share, but getting really good points per game, Kyle Pits, a little bit below the trend line, but the trend line is so freaking strong, which is why the 73% route share, you can see all the tight ends last year, who were above the 73% route share mark, and there's not many of them. And that's where Terence Ferguson was in the first half, which is why I sent that tweet. So this is just going back to Terence Ferguson conversation, but I want you guys to visualize how strong that correlation actually is between route share and PPR points per game, all right. Let's get on to the main event for week one. I'm excited. The late round main event. All right, these are players that you like more than consensus, JJ. Yes. So we'll be doing this every week. Well, I'll go through some players that I like more than where consensus has them ranked. It's kind of hard this week to I had to remove players that had already played. So whenever I give you guys the ranking here, it's without the players that have already played. So like I had, you know, like Stafford, a head up, which was a mistake, a head of like Tyler Schuck going into this week, but so did consensus. So Tyler Schuck is my quarterback that I'm going to call out first. I have him four spots ahead of consensus. It's a domed environment against Detroit. Schuck scored 19.6 points per game over his final six last year. You know that he brings some juice with his legs. The Lions have a below average secondary and the Saints are going to have to keep pace because the Lions offense is obviously good. They also run at a fast pace. So I like Schuck this week, four spots higher than more consensus has. Okay, running back. We have Mr. Chris Rodriguez Jr. Yeah, I'm actually higher on Tutan as well this week. I think that both of them can can eat and what should be a positive game script for Jacksonville against Cleveland. They're one of the biggest favorites. I think they're the second biggest favorite behind only L.A. This week. So good positive game stripping against the Browns. I think that we're going to see more of an in even split like we a lot of these ambiguous backfields. You guys are going to give up on some players guaranteed because it happens every year. You're going to give up on some players early on. But a lot of these ambiguous backfields, they'll start out as more like 50 50 55 45 and then once a player, you know, deems himself to be better or shows off that he's better, you'll start to see that that sort of shift towards that player and in that player's favor. And then obviously there's injury upside to. So I think we're going to start the season with with Chris Rodriguez and Bay shell Tutan in a pretty even split with Tutan Tutan probably running more routes in general, at least on early downs. But there's a positive game script. That's where that's where Chris Rodriguez can thrive. He's really good between the tackles with nothing else. Okay. Why do see we have friend of the show, Mr. Teteroroi and Mike Mellon. Yes, T-Mac. I have him four spots ahead of consensus this week. The Panthers want to be run heavy. We've seen that with Dave Canales, but they might not be able to in this match against Chicago. T-Mac rotated into the slot a lot in the preseason, like a 40% rate. I don't think we're going to see that high of a slot rate for him, but it is really intriguing for what he can do from production standpoint. Chicago last year was an above average match against wider receivers. I don't think we're afraid of this defense, but they were an above average matchup for perimeter wide receivers and wide receivers in general. But they were the number one team overall on points per game allowed to the slot. So it's a slot wide out. So if we get, you know, or points per game allowed to slot wide, I was like, you know, obviously a Frankenstein of them, not just the guys who are being lined up in the slot throughout that game. So T-Mac, good matchup overall, could be really interesting if they do throw a lot. I also think he's just a good player. Okay, tight end. Of course, we have Mr. Michael Mayer. So to get the consensus ranking for Michael Mayer, I tried to find people who had updated their rankings, you know, by like well, after the Brock Bowers and Rehappened, I'm six spots ahead of the market with Michael Mayer this week. I'm very high. Without Brock Bowers last year, I already mentioned this 28% targets for outrun rate, 2.22 yards per outrun, 12 ppl points per game. Really good match against Miami. It's a tight end friendly offense with Clint Koubiak there. I think Michael Mayer is going to be good without Brock Bowers in the game. All right, next let's do bold predictions for week one. This guy was, if you listen to the Austin Echler perspectives episode, he was featured there. Now he's going to be featured here. Yes, I'm, you know, I was in on a Mario Hampton, like I didn't like have him call him out as a target per say, but I didn't mind him at all where he was being drafted because I could see the bowl case. I thought he was a really good prospect as well. But I'm saying my, my bold prediction this week is that he's going to be the RB one in fantasy football, like the RB one. So it's bold. I'm going to say why they're bold. These predictions like I do with the bold predictions article. I do each year because that way then, you know, people can understand, you know, the context. But right now he's ranked as the RB seven. So I think it is bold saying that he will be the RB one on the week. It's the biggest favorite on the slate though. The chargers are, and Keaton Mitchell, I think is, you know, fine enough and probably we'll see an okay enough workload. But he is a little bit banged up or he has been banged up. So maybe we don't see the same kind of work that he would otherwise see. And that could just lead to more, I'm already in Hampton behind, you know, an offensive line that finally has their tackles back. Okay. We also have a Malik Willis bull prediction. How to go, how to go with Malik Willis to kick things off, kick the season off because I've been talking about Malik Willis so much. But I'm going to say he outscores Jayden Daniels this week. We're talking about the consensus QB 11 versus the consensus QB 18. I don't think this is that bold though. I really don't like. I know the names make it bold, but it's really, you know, I'm cheating a little bit because I just don't think it's that bold. I'm scared of that Philly defense, which is who Washington's playing against the Washington offensive line took a big hit when tonsil went down. Willis has a much better matchup against the Raiders and his team total is only like a point lower than what Washington's is. So I'm going to say that Malik Willis outscores Jayden Daniels this week. And again, I don't think it's like that massive of a reach. All right. Next, let's get to the look ahead, waiver wire. And again, these are guys that you're not rostering for this upcoming week. You're saving some cash, JJ. It's like it's, you know, it's it's prime week or whatever, you know, the Black Friday, you're anticipating that you're going to need someone. So you're adding these guys before they're expensive. Yeah. I mean, we'll see some of them are definitely players that like I liked this week, you know, unlike the 15 transactions episode and stuff like that. But you're right. This is the idea behind the look ahead, waiver wire is to get cheaper assets than you will next week. So try to predict what might happen in week one or look at upcoming matchups and saying, oh, this guy's a good matchup. So he could go off next week and people are going to be into him. So I'll start a quarterback. CJ Stroud gets Cincinnati next week. I think since Cincinnati's secondary is way better than what the market does. I will say that. I think they're like, I said, didn't I say not before that I think they're going to win the Superbowl this year? Like they're my Superbowl pick. Yeah. I think since that is defense is going to be better than what it was last year. And so we're looking at this matchup or saying, Cincinnati looks great on paper. And I'm like, it looks okay on paper. And I do think that there's going to be back and forth nature to these games because of Joe burrow and such and what that offense can do. But regardless, CJ Stroud will see how he how he looks in week 1 against Buffalo. He could be a streamer next week at 29% rostered over on Yahoo. And he gets Cincinnati. Malik Willis gets San Francisco. He's at a 40% rostered right now. San Francisco looked good defensively last night. So maybe I could remove this. But you know, this is more just the will it. Let's see what Willis does this week. And I'm obviously high on him from a fantasy perspective. So those are the two quarterbacks. I would look ahead to entering week number two. I'm going to take a sip of this. You can kind of introduce the next next group. Yeah. We've got Keaton Mitchell on here. And again, Kalen Black on here, you can't really add him probably right now. But true look for next week. Yeah. And I have these other guys on here too. Like debos on here. You know, DeMarcus Robinson, the Patriots, White receivers, we talked about all of them. So you know what? I'm just going to remove those guys. But the market look, DeMarcus Robinson and Debo are really interesting because they get Miami next week. That's obviously going to be a pretty good matchup. We'll take Kalen Black off of here. And there are some leagues that you can still do it. Yeah. You can still pick up a guy and start them next week. Yeah. But Keaton Mitchell, he's still available in 41% of leagues. Chris Brooks, it's more speculative. Like what if they, you know, use more of him than we think here in week one, I think that might be possible too because Minnesota, their defense has been, you know, is good and they might go get to Jordan Love and they might want more of a pass protector back there, which is what Chris Brooks is. So I can see Chris Brooks being a player that were highlighting in waiver wire columns next week, which is kind of what this exercise is all about. So those are the two running max and I want to shout. I'm Britt Coleman and I'm Trevor Sikama. If you ever watched a game and wondered what really made the difference beyond the final score, that's exactly why we created NFL broke stroke got a man wide open. Every week we use exclusive next-gen stats insights and NFL content to break down the biggest stories, matchups and moments from around the league. We go beyond the box score to uncover the numbers, the tendencies and details that help explain what actually happened on the field. 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And of course, those Seahawks trying to run it back and win another Lombardi trophy. If it's happening on a football field, NFL Daily will cover it. Listen to NFL Daily on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. And next we have the wider receiver position. Cachon Booty was a guy. I think that the Patriots might be like, ah, maybe we should have kept him now. Yeah, like different wide receiver than AJ Brown, but they definitely could use the depth right now. I think that that trade was kind of weird when it happened to begin with. But I think Booty, you know, I talked about him on the mailbag episode where if Houston does run a lot more heavy 12 maybe 13 personnel because they have just as many tight ends on that team as they do wide receivers right now. So if they run more 12 personnel, we're going to see Nico Collins on the field obviously, but then booties probably the other one that we'll see more most frequently. And that can be good for his fantasy value because we see more efficient touches when they're fewer wide receivers in the field. But then Jay, don't like me being okay with Cachon Booty does not mean that I'm fading Jalen Noll. Ah, he was a target in the draft guide. Jalen Noll was the upside. I think rest with Jalen Noll more than Cachon Booty because there was a lot to like about what Noll did last year. Like he was very vertical out of the slot kind of like, I mean, I don't want to I don't want to do the kind of Parker Washington S in that way. He's not built like Parker Washington. He's a lot smaller than than Parker Washington is. But he's also I shouldn't say a lot smaller. He's he's not as much of a running back build as Washington is, but he still is like, you know, like he got a Randall Cobb comp coming out in the in the zap model last year. Jalen Noll did. He was good on a pretty good on a per round run basis. All things considered. So I think Jalen Noll is still very interesting. It's just I don't know if you're going to get production right away from Noll. But I could see a scenario where he's highlighted in waiver wire columns next week because maybe his route share just looks better. Maybe they move him outside more than they did last year. We get those little hints of them wanting to deploy him more. And I think he's a really talented player. So we could then be ahead a week or two ahead with a player like Noll if that's the case. So keep him in mind. Don Tavine Wicks. I've talked about so much on the show at this point. So you guys know why I'm in the Wicks where, you know, Macai Lemon had a bad preseason. Didn't really practice that much during training camp. I think Wicks are going to start out as their number two wide receiver. And they have a good match of this week too. Devon Veile same deal with Jordan Tyson being out. He should be their number two wide out. And then throw that dart at Pat Bryant, man. There's a lot of steam coming out of Denver. And as everyone knows, I'm the biggest Portland Hutton hater on the planet, you know, they said that he could have a bigger role than expected initially. So good news for him and those that have like Pat Bryant on their dynasty rosters with best ball rosters. My question is this, you know, these guys could be big play guys. And evidently, there's going to be some receiver you mentioned Keon Coleman from last year that just goes off week one. And you're like, yes, I've got him or I need to get him. How are you measuring just like the, the flukiness of that versus like, all right, this guy, this is a legit signal. I need to add him. I always say like, I think it's really important to look at the historical context of that player and also just in general. Like I always go back to the Pukin Akua example when he went off in week one, would he have like 15 targets I think in his first NFL game like it was crazy. Yeah. And so like I had him as a late round dart throw that year in the draft guy. And I'm not saying that to Pat myself in the back. But I'm saying that you know, kitchen's kitchen's looking at. Yeah. Yeah, you did. Yeah. My ultimate hype, man. But no, like with Nikua, there was at least something interesting to his prospect profile. Like he'd a really good yard for our run rate. I was getting a lot of steam out of Rams camp. And then if you looked at historical context of rookie wider receivers in week one, who did anything like that, they usually went on to have really good rookie season. So it was a lot easier to buy into that and say, Hey, blow your, your free agent budget on hookah or at least spend a lot and get him and then kind of ride this out. So it's a combination of, you know, looking at historical context like if it's a random year six wide receiver who's never done anything like that before in his life. And he goes off in week one. I'm not going to really buy into that that much. But if it's a younger player who had really good peripherals as a rookie and was like a really interesting prospect, I'll probably lean into that a little bit more. I mean, like even Keon Coleman last year, I don't think it was bad process if you ended up like leaning into it a little bit after that week one game. It's just that, you know, I don't think that he was like that amazing my prospect or anything. But you know, that made some sense because he's younger. It was year two. It just didn't end up working out. And you know, just be aware that this stuff doesn't always work out. It's not always going to work in your favor. But I do think that looking at the individual player and the context of that player and where he's at in his NFL career, that goes a long way in understanding if that breakouts legit or not. All right. We've already talked about Michael Mayer. So no need to really revisit there as far as those that are streaming team defenses. You've got the packers on here, the 49ers who looked really good and then the bucks. Yeah. So the 49ers look great. They obviously, you obviously can't pick them up now. So I could remove them, but they look good defensively. And they get to dolphins next week. I am very interested to see with all the travel hoopla that's going on about how the Rams got there. Like, you know, 24 hours before the game started. And the the 49ers were there for like a week. Part of the reason why the Rams did that is because then they wouldn't be as jet lag coming back, which is a bigger deal. So if the 49ers are feeling jet lagged after the fact, I do wonder how that might impact them overall. But I would say that the, you know, it's still the dolphins and you can probably play them next week. The packers get the jets. That's a good matchup on paper. And then the buckeneers get the browns, which is another good matchup on paper. So if you want to, you know, you could technically try to stream the packers this week as like a defense two type. You know, like, I don't know. I probably have them at like defense 15 or 16 or something like that this week with some of these seams having already played. You can take that risk because there's a lot of volatility there. And then just say, Hey, I have them against the jets that next week. I think they have a good week three matchup to if I recall correctly. And then the buckeneers against the browns for obvious reasons. The browns are probably going to be a disaster offensively. Let's just be real. Yeah. If they do come out, just guns of blazing, it would be hilarious. Like, I would just be here for all the absurdity of it. Something absurd is going to happen week one. Oh, yeah. That would be something that I would, I would just be in favor of all the chaos it would cause. All right, Gigi, let's wrap this up with something you might have forgotten about. It's the quad box. We have to pick four games. And I've got these games listed right here. Oh, wow. I didn't even see that they were there. Yes. We got these games listed. So you have to pick two games, I pick two games of games that we would put on our hypothetical quad box for this week. Do I mean to go first or you do on first pick? You, you can go first. I don't mind. All right. The first one that I'm going to pick because I think it's going to be very fun and fantasy relevant. Yeah. You're going to think I'm going to go. I think you're going to get titans. I know you are. You think I'm going to go Tampa Bay Cincinnati. probably, but I am going to go New Orleans Detroit. I think it's a fun game. Okay. All right. So New Orleans Detroit, and I, I will go ahead and take the low hanging fruit with the Bucks Advances. Okay. It's going to be interesting because since 90's been so bad in week one in recent years. All right. Next, I kind of want to go for just like general interest of the, how, how, like, how impactful this game might be from a real NFL standpoint. There's a couple that you can go to here. I'm going to say Buffalo Houston. Okay. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually not going to pick either of the prime time games. I'm going to go with the Packers versus the Vikings. Lots of unknowns here. We've got Kyler under center with the Vikings. Got, you know, obviously the running back situation with the Packers, but also I love Jordan. Love this, this season. So I want to see, I want to see what this, this offense is all about. So how they deploy those wider receivers to, yeah, that could be a really fun game. So that's, that's the fourth game in the quad box. I kind of considered the other two that I would consider is Washington Philly. I think it's kind of intriguing because it's a, you know, divisional game. Jane Daniels is healthy. I think Philly's defense is going to be really good. And we get to see what the Eagles offense looks like. So that would be one. And then part of me, part of me is excited about the Cardinals Chargers game. Just because that we get to see Mike McDaniel with Justin Herbert in this offense. And then obviously we've been talking about Arizona all summer where they have all these highly drafted players in fantasy, but they're not projected to score many points at all via sportsbooks. So that's, that's another game from like a strictly a fantasy perspective. And I am kind of intrigued, though. Yeah, you can defeat the purpose of the quad box, but that's okay. I know, but, but I, you know, give a little bit more context. We skirt the roles around here. All right. I just want to remind people to like, subscribe, comment to the YouTube channel. If you haven't already, obviously make sure that you are following the YouTube or the podcast feeds that are out there. Newsletters. We got one going out about to go out any second now. Layaround.com, you can sign up for that. And then we have the, the memberships, the new memberships, not on Patreon anymore. The new memberships are on the website. Layaround.com. You become a member. We have the new rankings feature there. We talked about rankings a lot. We got new rankings, tables there, the data dump. And then we also have the discord chat that'll be popping again on Sunday morning, Shae-J. Yeah. I just want to thank everybody for, you know, listening week one and being part of this. This is the start of the journey. And it will be a journey. There's going to be a lot of stuff that I get right. There's me a lot of stuff that I get egregiously wrong. But hopefully you guys can understand that that's just the way this game is played and that you don't have to be perfect to win a fantasy football title. That's right. And this is like the next, the next chapter of, you could have dominated your draft. And guy guys like, you know, AJ Brown laid in the, you know, late hours and round three. Right. But now is where, now is where you, uh, you really make those moves. This is more important. This is more important than your draft. Yeah, for sure. But the draft is, is more fun than having. Well, the draft's still very important. Having to replace your highly touted, you know, tight end with, with his backup. But, um, all right, JJ week one, the show week one in the books will look forward to the games on Sunday and Monday. And again, like you said, we just appreciate everyone for their support this whole off season. I'm so excited to be getting back into the routine of the end season content. We have so much that it's coming out. So much stuff that we have for members and we appreciate y'all. We love y'all. Also, just before we exit, just want to say, you know, obviously 25 years ago was the anniversary, it's the anniversary of of 9/11. And I put in the newsletter, but there's a Twitter accounts, X account called 25 years ago live. And man, it's just wild. If you go there and just see everything that happened, just kind of recount how chaotic that day was. So, um, don't want to to leave without acknowledging that. So, uh, appreciate you all. Thank you all. We'll see you next time here on the late round fantasy football show. Peace. This is an iHeart podcast guaranteed human.