The Secret Sun (pt.1 ) Ft. Christopher Knowles and Greg Carlwood

what would I have done yet? I would have done a legitimate a legitimate investigation to find out what exactly happened on 9/11. How did they know who did this so quickly like they did Lee Harvey Oswald? Who's going to investigate the investigators? Who's going to investigate the prosecutors? Who's gonna hold them accountable? Who's gonna hold us public officials accountable? And that's all we're trying to do here in addition to trying to find the truth. Do you honestly and truly in your heart believe that Sandi Hook actually happened? Yes or no? All right number two it's only just big guy Welcome to War Mode folks. So Spade sent me a picture of the great Chris Noel Synchromistic handbook and said it's a show he'd like to do. I said hey I think I think that sounds fun. I'm looking to get out of the house and so we made it happen. This is amazing. Yeah I don't know for a lot of people know like but Chris is like an x-files expert and I have a thing in my head where I don't know like how I don't know if I was like born and I'm just me or if the x-files actually had like a huge effect on the way I think about stuff and when things happen I'm like subconsciously connecting it to like some episodes that I saw like I tried to rewatch it when they re when they rebooted the x-files back in like 2016 or whatever I started watching it and it was like a book that I had already read that it was like in me I was like I've seen all these like I know all these you know what I mean I was like 10 or 11 years old when it came out so yeah it's not a TV series it's a grim war basically I've never seen any of the x-files I might've been too young for it. Yeah you're too young. The thing that's great about his x-files book is just going basically episode by episode or story arc by story arc and being like here's where it meered real-world events of the time to some degree and you didn't know if reality was lifting from x-files or vice versa Kyle Odom being a good example towards the end you know the Kyle Odom story. I remember it from the book he don't remember it in real life he went and shot Pastor Remington and he shot him six to 12 times reports are all over the place but he shot him at least six times he said this guy's a reptilian and I fucking know it and he shot the guy point blank six times with hollow points and the guy lived with hollow points yeah so it made you think like maybe this kid knows something and that's the kind of stuff that would happen in the x-files. Oh yeah so the kid so this isn't an episode of the x-files. Yeah this is your life. There's a real life. There's like little there's characters in the x-files and they're called a lone gunman. Yeah and like it's a famous predictive programming thing so they fly a plane into the twin towers or a building I can't remember Empire State's boat or something like that. World Trade Center right so they jump on the lone gunman as a spin-off series of the x-files. Our non-milchan becomes the executive producer. A couple months before that the x-files does an episode called like Medusa or something but he had a he had an old thing in the 70s called the Medusa plot so it's like you don't know if it's or Medusa touch it you don't know if it's on predictive programming or like this is where the synchromistic shit comes in because now our non-milchan's in the mix. Yeah and like he did fight club and all the buildings are coming down like he did ton of predictive program. Yeah so I don't I don't understand like where it stops and starts because it is at that point when you start thinking about it shit it gets into like woo. Yeah I think everybody knows the recent snake eyes example where you just see this Charlie Kirk assassination and then you go back to the 90s and this movie snake eyes has so many hits with the the the different beats of that shooting a guy named Charles Kirkland in the movie get shot in the neck in a public thing the boxer at a public boxing match the boxer in the ring his name was Tyler and he provided the distraction so you got Tyler the Patsy it's like so many weird things so that's why I love synchromisticism which is Chris's art form in which that's where he weaves best and it's just so bizarre to me to see these things laid out in fiction and then real-world events mirror them like another weird one is the univomor they caught him in the scapegoat wilderness and it's like there's just a weird cozy that's what it's called I was listening to you guys for eight hours yesterday working on my house and I was like this is like when you're growing up like this has just been how your brain worked the whole time for me yeah like look at like seeing all these connections and stuff like that you don't want to you don't want to go there that's like it is crazy how much stuff is connected especially with like the the buckley stuff because I'm like way into music and stuff like that so like once you start talking about Jeff Buckley I've never I've recently got into Greek mythology like very recently and now that you're talking about like this yeah with the Odyssey and there's a old like Greek myth timeline like I'm actually afraid like you were talking like don't let the gods like live so the gods don't notice you yes that should be complete sense because yeah like the way the connections with Buckley and what's the lady's name I've never heard of that woman like even you've heard you've listened to having a last phase you just don't know it maybe yeah but that is a massive attack massive attack I know because Jimmy Herring is the guitar fact right or one of them maybe it's like a jam band type thing yeah they're not a jam band massive attack is it I don't think so I get my got that wrong well my thinking Jeff Buckley has really evolved from doing all this research and I don't think that death was accidental at all and a matter of fact I don't think he went near that river when he was alive really oh yeah so for people who don't know the official story of Jeff Buckley's death is that he was in Memphis right near that pyramid you know you got a layer the esoteric stuff in there and then he yeah and then he just decided to go swimming in the Wolf River and then a clock at night and then he got taken under they say a tugboat came by in the undertow dragged him under dudes in his 30s good health he had no drugs in a system there's no reason for him to do an impromptu swim in the Wolf River except they took out Bill Colby he was called by the siren he was called by the siren it was like it could have been like it goes low is 55 degrees down at the river that night it was 70 it was so chilly that he took his jacket with him when he went out you're not on the swimmer no no and and this this little lagoon is a sewer basically right it's a stinky little runoff for the city exactly that's exactly what it is and the whole story I really went through it with a fine tooth comb and it doesn't make any sense at all at all so where is it starly where's the story start well the story is is that and it's so hinky that he was his his boys are coming in because he just finished his demos and they were going to start rehearsing for the tour and for the album and he and this other guy and that's a whole other story we'll get into that you know we're gonna go to the go to the rehearsal studio get their role and set up get ready for these these guys to show up but the manager says you know be back by nine and he's like okay so at nine at nine o'clock nine o'clock he decides that he's gonna go down to the Wolf River Lagoon first swim and take a swim when the temperatures below 60 he's fully dressed wearing his boots this thing's a friggin an opening a sewer yeah and you know everything else that happens but the whole thing just doesn't add up I mean I went through every detail and it's like they had been to this duty before and then they couldn't find it the next day come on and it was a few blocks away sort of they get dosed or something or I don't know I think it gets really dark man and there's a whole backstory that we won't have time to go into here but I think let me let me just say this since I know the details of the backstory that we'll say for another time and then I went and read the lyrics that he was writing and it's like he was writing about things that we're gonna get him noticed by some very very dangerous people who had no patience you know for that kind of nonsense and that's just my that's just my opinion I'm just gonna say it's my so for people's context the the real like the center of the whole nexus of these connections is Elizabeth Frazier from the Cocktoot twins and so you were telling me about him I said yeah I always get so you're telling me about a marine breakfast and like why you guys were like chilling I like started looking it up and then there's a song this mortal coil yeah and like the comments on this was like people are like actually afraid of the song well she's some kind of siren that called him to the river yes what was it here's the one comment I mean not try to read comments but this is not a song it's a spell and it's on me for years I mean yes well people had said there's all kinds of articles with people say Liz Frazier has like an angelic voice that she has this type of voice where it's almost like there's a layered melody in one single person's voice and that might be a spiritual presence that comes through when she sings because Chris's premise is that in the Greeks, the Greeks had like the sirens and the cybles. This is in the myths and she might be a modern siren. So she and Jeff Buckley were lovers and then they broke up and then I believe her song song of the siren he sang it shortly before. No, no, I mean she sang it in A3 and then she stopped singing. I don't believe he ever sang it. His father wrote the song. There we go. And that's how and that's how we got noticed. But there's another person here who who entered my research a couple years ago, you know PJ Harvey. Yeah, the girl. You're the singer? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Well, she was Steve Jenner. Yeah, seriously. And she was corresponding with him. Now the reason why that really upsets me, let's just say, she was friends, very close friends with a legendary British DJ named John Peel. Who? Like the Peel sessions? Yeah, what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she was close friends, but let's check this out. You're ended at the beat. John Peel was not only a self-admitted pedophile who impregnated a teenage girl when he was in Texas in the 60s, but somehow somehow he happened to be in the booking room at the Dallas police station when Lee Harvey was well was shot by Jack Ruby somehow somehow he just happened to be there. Let's take it down. We've got a long way to go. What the fuck? So, I mean, this whole story, you know, I have an expression. It never ends. And it's just like every time you lift up a rock, there's another layer. Yeah. Just unbelievable. Do you think that a lot of the people that we see in the media are constructs of like a system, like a synchromistic system or something where it's like what you're saying that she can pull forward the power of the sirens and like they can play out these like they can play out like a myth for us in a TV show or a movie or something and it has a huge effect on us, but they're like kind of selected people. Well, here's what I think and this is what I've said for years. When you start playing with this stuff, it notices you and the expression from the moth man prophecies and obvious others. You notice them and they noticed that you notice them. So, when you start playing with this stuff, you attract the attention of the gods and forces beyond your understanding. I mean, I am absolutely convinced of this. This isn't like supposition on my part. And once you do that, you know, they start playing with you. And you know, I talked about this in the synchromistic handbook, you know, you start to. I got scared, I stopped. You end up in this process and it's like you're always having a conversation with these forces, you know, through the medium of synchronicity. So, it's not something to play with. I mean, I feel really and would this be like a cult stuff that like you would see intelligence agencies know like oh, oh, oh, oh, absolutely. You know what I mean? Like, this is like something that they would know, like going back to like Crowley error bullshit. Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, when you read those books, particularly there's a guy named Kenneth Grant who is Crowley's secretary. Now, when you read his stuff, I mean, it's so clear that it's all based on manufacturing and manipulating synchronicity ultimately. And that's the whole stuff with the geometry and all the stuff. And that's why they're always pulling all these symbols and they're always trying to construct these things. And I realized when I really started, and it was Gordon who kind of tutored me, Gordon White, Gordon White, who taught me. Beautiful, man. Yeah, he tutored me on this. And it was just like what magic really is ultimately is about trying to manipulate and enter into this contract basically with the forces that are behind synchronicity. Yeah. Okay. Do they law the traction stuff kind of? It can be now. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's what like the stuff that freaks me out is like, have you ever looked into like Led Zeppelin and the Bluskin House and stuff? Oh, oh, Balaskin House. Yeah, like Klan Frazier, by the way. Who's that Klan Frazier was the family who built Balaskin House? Oh, he's serious. Oh, yeah. So like the check. Yeah, well, it's just the terms Frazier and Liz come up a lot. Like, who is the girl? The actress who just died? Hayden. So you posted that to save the world. Yeah, so Chris posted a picture of her and her sisters and her sisters one of them married someone named Frazier and one of them's name is Liz or something. I would have to refresh my memory. My brain's a little full up right now. Well, they're crazy. They were crazy. It just, it seems like there's always like when there's these national tragedies. Yeah. The reason Chris says it never ends is because he does a little digging and then like Frazier will come up or the family lives in Frazier, Connecticut or just it just keeps coming. I have had this experience too. Like, if I like, it's it's along the same lines as the thing I can't really put it into words to you with this like X files kind of like thing in my head where there's stuff that I watched when I was so young that it's like kind of just in me to the point where it's like record like carbon and like a groove where I'll see that stuff and I'll be like, that's a show. But then I'll see things that like relate to in real life. And I'm like, that's real life though. But then I kind of get like shown media stuff that's created by somebody that's like, what do you want me to do? It's like deep state kind of stuff. Like I'll end up hearing like, there'll be some show that I love like in one of your in one of the chapters in the X files book. So like the X files book's cool. It kind of like rates all the episodes and then it shows like what happened that year. And like time to me, time to me is not very like linear. Like I can't really remember things that good. But I had no idea. I got hit with. So I was just a kid listening to the fucking Nirvana and stuff. And then, you know, 9/11 happens. And then all of a sudden, the media is like hitting me with minority report, born identity. These are all like in one year. And dude, I can't tell you for about a decade. I wanted to be Jason Borden deep inside. Like I was like, I can do that. I can jump that. I can run half a mile without sweating. And like, I want to know like these things had such a big effect on me. But a huge subplot of fucking X files is creating super soldiers. Yeah. Yeah. So like I'm like a little kid and this stuff gets pumped in the military. If I was just reading the, the, the Odyssey, dude, I would know about the sirens. I would know about the myths. Yeah. I would know the source material. They know the source material. They tap into it to play games. Everyone's on the stage. And then they'll show me something. And then it has an effect on my life. And I just don't know where it stops and starts. It's like, what, do you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm going to. That's called awareness. Yeah. That's called consciousness. That's what I was talking about. Obviously this is not a video show. But I think it's the cast of the cove. Yeah. And one of them's name is Eliza, basically anagram of Isabelle, an anagram of, you know, Elizabeth. And then the other one's last name is Frazier. Yes, Hannah Frazier. She also calls herself Hannah Mermaid. Which is, which Mermaids? Mermaids are another like in this set of symbols that Chris has like been nailing to this situation. Mermaids come up constantly. Yeah, like Ariel. And so again, yeah, all right. Well, again, it's like why is this chick name Frazier? Why does she go by Mermaid? Again, like what gave her the idea to go by Mermaid? There is something in the field that seems to like a certain set of symbols and also likes tragedy. So when you see these people die and it becomes a national story, look for Frazier and Elizabeth to be related or Mermaids or purly do dropstrop. That was that was one of her songs. It was purly do dropstrop and Elizabeth Frazier. And so purls keep coming up. And then it also ties into the Nephilim then because purls is basically semen and like the gods come into the the woman, you know, they call coming to human women. Yeah, the mating. The create them. Yeah, that's like if like this is like no one's like nail you down on this. Like do you think that like from what I was listening to you guys talking for a while like is there a religion that we're just not keen to and like this is them doing sacrifices to whatever deity that they worship and like they got us like sniffing out other trails with like all the other religions that are just dead ends part of it is part of it is part of it is for sure. But also some of it is, you know, these forces taking their own sacrifices. They're just forces you would say. It's not really like even end these week in proper hand. Well, I use the term ultra-terrest rooms. Oh yeah, I like that there. That's, you know, the work I did with the series I called Lucifer's Technologies that sort of traces back all this to Roswell. Yeah. Which I don't believe was a UFO crash, I believe it was a very elaborate ritual to these ultra-terrestrial forces. There's something that happens to me a lot like especially like I'm with you on NASA just being absolute front for something but I all that alien stuff for something in me that just thinks all of it is a complete lie. to either get you to acquiesce or join some like one-world religion or something. Extraterrestrials, I agree. I agree with extraterrestrials for sure. I haven't believed for a very long time that there are physical extraterrestrials among us. That's why you say ultra-terrestrials. It's basically like spiritual forces, but it's not such a loaded term as spirit. You make the term up, but ultra-terrestrials like multi-dimensional entity, electromagnetic entity, but it's not alien from an foreign planet. It seems like extraterrestrials is a siop to cover up, I think, spiritual forces. I mean, Bill's a little triggered because he tried to, Billy thought he could stare at goats for a second. We thought he could go to the Monroe Institute. I went to the Monroe Institute. Oh, wow. It was the biggest load of horseshit I've ever been to. It's a CIA front where they just trick like it is. You don't know it's a CIA, but this is your guessing. This is what I'm guessing. It is like everybody down there loved aliens. They were releasing a one of them. They're like, oh, I was in my bed and I was remote viewing and I saw aliens. You're a whole fucking algorithm as aliens. No shit. When you close your eyes, you're going to see aliens. You already plugged into the motherboard doing what it was like, I think I might have been the only person and then I got an old lady very mad because this guy did this whole thing about a solid alien spaceship and it's coming and she said, what do you think? I was like, I don't even fucking believe in space at this point. I can't fathom aliens because I don't know what the hell is going on up there. Kind of a dome earther right now. Yeah, I mean, I've seen you up those. I got good looks at them. Two of which were orbs and those are definitely plasma entities. And do you immediately feel different when you see this? Does it affect your body somehow? It's unsettling at best. It's disturbing. And I think it's also very closely related to death as well. I think that I think the paranormal itself is a byproduct of death and tragedy and suffering. It's sort of like the loose farms and stuff. That kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, you got to realize that I'm somebody who like believes in a lot of stuff that people think is crazy. I want to hear that. But people have, you know, it's because I've had these experiences, you know, and we had a real tragedy in the family back in late 2016. And it just upset everything. And then there was a lingering presence that made itself known to a lot of people. Let's just say I won't go into too many details here. But shortly after that, I'd come outside to walk my dog and I looked up in the sky and I see this big plane and then it stops in the middle of the sky and I go, oh, wait a minute. Plains don't stop. And then I look at it again. I mean, I took photos of it too. And it was a classic chevron. Yeah. And it was just hovering and then it started doing it was really bright and it starts doing these weird lateral moves and the sky and stuff. And I, you know, I live streamed it to Gordon on my little live pad back back when it happened. And, you know, we woke my daughter up and told her to come out and look at it. And then we just got tired of looking at it. But I was crazy just like, oh, good on that. Well, here's the funny thing before I had seen this. Here's what happened. So before I'd seen it, I watched this Netflix documentary called the man who's the curse of the man who sees you off those. And it's about this like musician who lives down in the Monterey, California. And he has taken hundreds of hours of footage and photographs of you off those. And, and I was sort of thinking like, what is it about Monterey, you know, Big Sur or that kind of area down there? Like, what is it that sort of manifests this kind of thing? Because it's been a lot of sightings of Big Sur and so on. And that's just as I was thinking and then I looked up in the sky and that's where I saw this thing just like sitting there. And I was like, that's not aerodynamic. But then again, it didn't look totally real either. It looked physical, you know, and when you look at the photographs, you can see structure. But it didn't look entirely real. And that's the same thing with those orbs that myself, my wife and my daughter saw when coming up root, root 93, right? We're coming up 93 into New Hampshire and just cross over the state line and there these orbs that are just harassing this small plane. And when you see this stuff, you're like, oh, okay, this, this changes my world. And a few months before that, my son was working at this golf course and he and his friends saw all these orbs hovering and, you know, doing these sort of maneuvers and movements and stuff. And he took footage of that on his, you know, his crappy old iPhone. But when you see this stuff and it's just like, it's no longer just opposition or imagination, you have to sort of make a choice. Like, what do I think of this? How do I perceive? And I'll tell you something right now. After that sighting that I mentioned with the Chevron, I just stopped being interested in UFOs at all. I just like, okay, I'm done. Right. No more. No weird dreams or nothing afterwards. Oh, dude, you probably don't follow my Twitter feed. I have the weirdest dreams. These also have sleep paralysis, not a competition. So, you know, weird dreams with me is sort of like on a sliding scale. Okay. But, no, you just, they're real. It's a real phenomena. I haven't believed that it's extra terrestrial for a very long time. I mean, at least almost 20 years now. That's what I think disclosure is, is they are trying to, they're trying to make it fit into materialism. They're trying to say, these are just humanoid aliens from another planet. And it's like, absolutely not. You guys see it, huh? Did you guys go see disclosure that? No, which is funny because when we were, we were awful. We let me really saw it. I laughed. Well, he was shaking next to me laughing when they show that they got aliens at the end. I was like, dude, he's fucking kidding me, bro. When it's like, when we were planning to set this up, I did think, oh, that'll be a good catalyst. Maybe we'll go see this disclosure day the night before and then we'll record the podcast. And then like, man, considering all the hype that movie had, it just died a week after its release just died. What do you think the purpose of that is? That's a good question for him. They say it's the last bit of Boomer UFO propaganda. Give him a little more something before they go. Yeah. I think Spielberg, you know, he probably figured this is his last rodeo. Yeah, you know, and plays his music. He does a little lighting tricks. He's had, he had unfathomable success with close encounters in E.T. and then he did stuff like falling skies and taking it, you know, more as a producer. But, I mean, it's always been something that he's been really interested in. And then he, you know, he fell for all this nonsense that, you know, like, the long, remember when we were talking about the long, like, in 2017, when he started up with that hole to the Star's Academy, we had the long, suburban asshole. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mr. Blank 182. And all this, you know, people like Elizondo and Crush, St. Louis, Elizondo. That weird, like, that's like a weird little internet soap opera. It's a cult with all these guys. It's a cult. It's a cult. Greer. Greer, Steven Greer. The thing that freaks me out about Greer is the way he lies, you would have had to have been taught by the fucking military to lie at that speed and for that long because he makes up the crazy shit in the world. And then he did that, like, little laser thing where you shine a laser up in the sky and the aliens come to you like a fucking cat. And he said he ran. Which should show you it's not aliens from another planet because if something can be summoned, you know, it's in the word summon, ding, ding, ding. Yeah. This is a spiritual thing. Yeah. His thing too was like, wasn't like CE5 or something we all get in a circle and start like kind of chanting, which is something. I mean, it's exactly what indigenous cultures do. You know, Gordon, he interviewed already six-killer Clark who is a woman who did a book about Native American stories of UFOs. Right. And in that book, Gordon highlighted to me that like when she asks the indigenous shaman, like, well, what about, what about UFOs? You talk a lot about spirits and beings from the sky. What about UFOs? And he says, we're the least interested in the ones that have to take the boss to get here. Oh, that's good. And it's a great line. It's a great line. So it's like, we just summon the entities directly. Yeah. And so that's what shamans have done for the next files. So yeah, that's true. But that's what Stephen Greer does. Stephen Greer does a weird techno shamanism. Right. That he basically co-opted an indigenous practice and charges a thousand bucks to go. But it's just guys sitting around concentrating on, hey, I'd love to see a spirit or UFO. And then they show up because it's a it's something in consciousness. It's not. They tracked the flights. And supposedly there was there were if you look at the flight patterns, or when he did it, there was airplanes that were overhead or drones or something. And they have the flight patterns of the actual aircraft are above that area. Well, I mean, that might be a total scam. But I do know people who have gone to go now. Well, people, I know people who have gone to hang out with the bloodsos, for example, and they have seen orbs. He went to the Monroe Institute as well, so it was awesome. That did a live anything. Danny Jones. Danny Jones said he went down with them and some. Well, you know, I just got to go with the stories I hear. But what the bloodsos do is apparently they can summon the orbs and people will see them if you're hanging out with them. And so I assume that's a lot of times what Stephen Greer is doing, but he also might just be checking flight paths. And that's like the opposite of what Chris is talking about. It's like, why are you trying to summon these motherfuckers? Like, hey, come over here. Look at me. Like, You wanna live your own life and do your own thing and not trying to summon these fucking deities that are fucking-- - That's right, Mojo, it's bad mojo. This is so, you're obviously listening as can't see this, but this is, I took this photo through the viewfinder of my wife's camera and that's what we saw. - Yeah, that's what I'd show my best. - Yeah, it's not anything that I'd show my best. - It's not anything that I'd show my best. - It's a weird light, that's a weird light thing. - Yeah, and it's just like you looked at and go, that's not aerodynamic, that's scary. - The reason people engage with it is 'cause they think about it more in an alien context. If you think of it as an occult context, you probably do have more trepidation about getting yourself personally involved. - Okay, so you think we were like fed aliens or this is just something that kinda happened by accident? - No, it's occult, it's occult, that was, so here's the deal, I mean, I've been working those for a very long time. The United States Navy during World War II, in the Pacific theater, there was basically a cult that formed not only with American, but also British officers. And one of them shares my name, Herbert Nolz, what was his name, rear admiral Herbert Nolz. And there was another guy, forget his title, but his name was Victor Goddard, he was the British guy. And this has always been a project of naval intelligence. I mean, you know, the whole thing with a tic-tac. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Where did that come from? - The Navy, yeah. - And it always seems to come from the Navy. - I mean, a lot of stuff comes from the Navy intelligence, man. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, they were more powerful than the CIA. - You hear about guys, and you're like Navy intelligence, they're like, I worked in the Navy for a year. - And it's weird, they're always kinda in international waters and shit, doing whatever the fuck they want. - Oh, but here's the thing. So you know about Jack Parsons, we know all the people. Well, I mean, people didn't believe Elrond Haber when he said that he was naval intelligence, but he was, but guess who else was naval intelligence? - Jack Parsons, Scarlet Woman. - Oh, the, his mother Cameron. - Yeah, she had top secret clearance during the war. She was a, she was an artist, so she became a map maker. She worked in Washington at Naval intelligence headquarters, and then she just magically shows up. And, you know, in Palsadena, after they do the babble on working. But, but-- - Wasn't they all like kinda really obsessed with her too? - Well, he has a thing. Her brother and her father were working at JPL, fuck. You know, I mean-- - Sploting shit. - They had a cult. It is a cult. They had placed, so they had placed all these people, Cameron, the Cameron boys, and Hubbard, within Parsons Circle. And then he starts talking about Phoenicians, and she's talking about like UFOs at war engines, and before she entered the house in Palsadena, she's sorry, UFO hovering over it and all this kind of stuff. So it is a cult, and this is something way to, you know, deep and detailed to go into here. But it is a religious cult, and it is a cultic in nature. And when you start to really pour through the details, you can't separate, like, where is the occult, where is the crazy science fiction stuff, where is the descent, you know, it all just like-- - Yeah, I have a hard time keeping it all in my brain in the same thing. It's like, I can either do like a cult encrypted and magical stuff, where I could do like MK Often, MK Ultra. And I can't have them come together. - They do, they believe. - Through, I mean, the same characters are involved. And the guy Admiral Knowles, what I thought you did that was great is you took where Admiral Knowles was stationed on a map and then showed along all around the area, all the major UFO events of the time, and he's right in the middle. It's almost like, if a guy's job was to create UFO events, and you're just going to the old nine to five, clock it in, clock it out. You, the practicality of going north this week, south next week, like, and living right in the center of it, it's like from a practical standpoint of an op, you have to go to these locations to simulate an event or to fool someone who's thinking they had an experience. So he lived right in the middle of it, and it's just like, oh, that was his job. And, you know, I went back, I now have transcripts of old episodes, and I went back through some of them of mentions of old UFO stories of the '40s and '50s. And it almost always comes down to some military guy is the source of this story. - Yeah. - And so, it's like the tall white stockumentary. - Now, there are books full of regular people's accounts, but there are way more bizarre and dreamlike, and they'll be like, oh, it turned into a man-to-been, and then a silver ship, and then a star. And it's like, yeah, that's what the real phenomenon is, but then if you talk to, if you want, just the stories that involve a military person. - You get this closure day. - Yeah, exactly, I mean, to shit. That's exactly it. But that's the boomer op is basically, people who grew up in the '80s and '90s, to believe that it's little green men. - So, it's like-- - Well, it was programmed. You know, people misunderstand what predictive programming really is. And it isn't like, oh, we're gonna show you this, and then it's gonna happen. It's like, we are gonna predict the future by inventing it. - Yeah. - That line from the X-Files, right? And that's exactly what happened. So, people, boomers, I mean, I love boomers. I married a boomer, so, you know, there we go. - No judgment. - No judgment, no judgment here. They were programmed with this stuff. And, you know, I'm a Gen Xer, and we were too. I mean, I loved closing counters, I loved ET. No, I can't even watch ET because it's so pito-coded, it makes me vomit. - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, it's disgusting. - Yeah. - But it's like, when you told this over, it's the same thing, like, we believe, oh, they're gonna be bases on the moon, or they're gonna be flying cars, or they're gonna be hovercraft, or, you know, all these things that were led to believe, why did we believe them? Because we saw them on television. - The Gen Xers. - Yeah. - We saw them on television, that's what program does. - Tell a vision, you know. - Tell a wide vision, and programming. - Yeah. - You know, why do they straight up call it programming? - But here's, so you read my ex files book. - Yeah. - I'm with you, read the chapter on-- - I didn't read the very end of it. - Okay, so, you're prediction, you're like-- - My fan theory. - Dan Theory and stuff like that, I didn't read that part. - Okay, well, we'll talk about that. - I went, we talked about, yeah. - I watched the episodes with the ratings and the descriptions, and the Easter eggs, yeah. - Okay, so, let me just say, I mean, I have this theory, I mean, I've been obsessing on this thing forever, and I wrote, I co-wrote the official book on it and everything. My theory, and it hit me like a ton of bricks, is that this is not about aliens. This is about two mind-controlled assassins who are part of this breeding program. You know, this is a huge-- - A huge thing. - A huge thing. - A huge thing in it. - And like MK Ultras is all part of this, you know, because the one thing they noticed several years ago, is like every time they would do what they call them "Athologies" stories, which is about aliens and UFOs and stuff, they would be just before it, but just after it would be like something that was like, totally MK Ultracote, it's something about mushrooms. They get a lot of stories about hallucinogens and stuff like that. So, like-- - They would have episodes that are like standalone episodes. So, like you'd watch it, it would start, there'd be a problem, motor and skull effects, it's over. - Like CIS. - Then the next step would be like, carrying on this like storyline with the cigarette smoking man, and this goes on for years. - That's crazy. - Like, so there's these like arc ones. Like, so there're like a different vibe of an episode. - Yeah. - But, so what I, you know, like I said, the conclusion I came to is like, "Oh my God, this is about mind control and eugenics." - Meaning that Scully and Molder were mind controlled. - Yeah. - And thinking they're hunting aliens when really they're hunting people who are the products of government experimentation. - Exactly, yeah. - Exactly. - So, they're hunting down the people that got loose on them. - Exactly. - Yeah, exactly. - What do you think about the dude from the sopranos making the MK Ultra show? David Chase. - I didn't. - So the guy that made the sopranos, he's making an MK Ultra series. - On HBO. - So that might be the final boomer. - I know, it might, you know, those things always, the guy who did, which is named Errol Morris, he did, he did a thing. And it's just like the same old stories, you know? And the thing I've always said, you know, because I went back and read a lot of that original material. And it's just like, this was not, there was no scientific basis. It's this pure witchcraft. MK Ultra was pure witchcraft. It was all about erasing personalities and making them fit for entity possession. And what do we see now? - We'll see, when you say that. And then like Chris also goes really hard. - He also said they don't need drugs anymore because it could just use the screens. Scary. - That was why they gave up on all that LSD stuff. - Or they have more sophisticated drugs like all the SSRIs and the hormones and this and this. - I mean, how many people on those drugs say, oh, I had all these thoughts that didn't feel like my own. These thoughts of murdering you. - I mean, very dude, and you want to cut your dick off. That's not your thought. - Yeah. - Well, I heard this story on No Agenda where they were talking about this girl was on SSRIs and she's like, oh, I just had all these suicidal thoughts. And then one day her dad walked in on her, trying to hang herself in her closet and she broke down in tears and she's like, I thought that was just one of my, I thought this was a dream. - Oh, yeah. - She's like, I didn't realize I was acting out. - So that's like, that would be possession. - You could consider it possession. But he goes really hard on stranger things because saying MKUltra a breeding program at the end of that thing. - Right. - The whole end of stranger things, they see it's like this big breeding program where there's always pregnant women. - Yeah. - A whole while I was a bit on that too, but I think it's totally got pregnant. Like the actress got pregnant. - Yeah, that's a whole, that's an interesting back story. story we can discuss after we've explored that. - Well, what Chris said to me about Stranger Things is that it seems like in season one they revealed too much. It got blew up and then they were like, oh shit, we have to make this more like about monsters or something. And then they went like that recently. - But to say MK culture is witchcraft and then watch season one of Stranger Things. I mean, that's what you're doing. You're taking a traumatized girl who is in a breeding program and you're trying to make her talk to what you think is an alien because you can't see this thing. This thing is a monster. This thing is a demon. You can't just talk to it and ask it for insights. And they're putting her in this mental space with this monster. That is more what they were doing. Channeling, they were trying to channel demons through children through trauma. - Yeah, I'm not moving on that, by the way. I'm like, you can fight me 'cause I'll never change my mind about that. - What? - That MK culture is just pure witchcraft. - Witchcraft. - Witchcraft, straight up. And then when they, you know, all the successor programs, specifically MK often, they didn't even hide it anymore. I mean, they were hiring witches and fortune tellers and people all that, you know. - Yeah, there's this thing I've read about that where they were like, fucking with dolphins. - Yeah, John Lilley, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - What the hell? - Yeah, yeah, they wanted to program dolphins to like bomb ships and stuff. - Sick. - Suicide dolphins, yeah. There was still a lot on there. - Sick, man. - Comic-Cosie dolphins. - Yeah, I think you mean yeah. - And it wouldn't come up on the radar. - Yeah. - Well, they start taking LSD, thought that they were actually mind melding with these dolphins and then start fucking them. - Yeah, a lot of these guys definitely had high in their own supply. - Yeah. - A lot of them. - They couldn't just manage Lilley, a lot of these guys, you know. They would dip in and they weren't just, you know, what was the? - I'm not just a, the owner of a hair club for men, I'm also a customer. - Yeah. - Probably too young to realize that. But it's the same, it's like, I'm not just a, an MK ultra witch doctor. I'm also an MKL object. - Yeah. - What is the MK off the stuff? - Okay. So, the story goes is that they weren't getting the results they were looking for. And you started seeing all these split-off programs, one of which is Naomi, which they also did the next files episode about. Now, there's this guy, Stephen Aldrich. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Very good. - My meld. - Yes. - And Aldrich is, they connected some, you know, to the Rockefels. - They're like an old Robert Barron family. - Yes, yes. So, he gets put in charge of this program and it starts in 1966. So, what starts in 1966, the church of Satan, and, you know, and the Mansons, and all this kind of, and all the serial killer movies. - Yeah. - And devilish. - And when Beatles took acid. - And then entities like the Ford Foundation and the Getty family are giving people like Kenneth Anger money to make Lucifer rise. - Fuck, dude, I forget about that. - He watched that, maybe I'll never watch that. I don't watch that. Is it like a good call, not to watch scary movies? - It's not scary, it's just-- - It's so dumb, it's stupid, it's-- - And I interviewed that guy. I interviewed that guy back in 2005, 2000. - Doesn't he have a weird tattoo or something? - Well, he's dead now, but we had a wait for him to get out of jail. This guy's 80-years-old, he's a meth head, 80-year-old meth head, and he tries to strangle the receptionist at this like flop house he was staying in on Skid Row. So, I mean, this guy was just a total mess. - Born bad. - Born bad, yeah, bad to the moment. But he was definitely a project of MK Often. And the thing is that all this occult stuff, all the witchcraft and satanism and all this stuff, you start seeing in every movie, in every book, Rosemary's Baby, the Exorcist, the Omen, all this stuff, you can all trace it back to the formation of MK Often in 1966. And it starts with the black sorcerer, Sydney Gottlieb, but then he hands it off to that Aldrich guy, you mentioned. So, it's just a mess. - And then Rosemary's Baby is he Klanski? - Oh yeah, at this point in '66, is NASA still like an ocean exploration company? Because they go, oh no. - No, well, just, no, he's a thing. And when Kennedy did his whole inaugural speech, he's like, we're gonna go to the moon and all this kind of stuff. So, it was definitely on the road. I mean, I evolved to the point that I don't believe anybody ever went near the moon. - Thank you. - Ever, in a million years. And actually I had this big argument with my son saying, I don't believe in satellites. I think they're all just like high altitude balloons with, you know, these. - Well, my father, as a great point is, if you go up a mountain, you're closer to the satellite, but then you lose cell service. - Yes. - So, how the fuck does that happen? - That's all towers, yeah. - All towers. What do you think about, what do you think about nukes? Well, Gordon, you know, we're talking about a fallen brother, a fallen brother Gordon a lot here. Gordon and I, particularly when he still lived in London before moved out to Tasmania. I mean, we would just be on Skype all day. And he just was like, you know, nukes of fake. - Fuck yeah. - He's on nukes of fake. - I'm like, okay, well, how do you reckon that? And he's like, well, first of all, all those films were done at Lookout Mountain. - Right. - Owned by Jared Leto. - No, no, no. - He used to be owned by the Navy, yeah. - In naval intelligence. - Laurel Canyon, so there you go. Gordon was so ahead on so many things. Like, this is like-- - He was so much more based than anybody really. - I know, this is like six years before anyone ever said nukes were fake. - Yeah, Tucker Carlson wasn't on yet. - Right, yes. And he's just in private dropping stuff like that. I mean, Gordon's thing was that nukes, nukes as the super weapon there talked about are fake. But also, he's like, radiation is not as dangerous as they've said. And that it goes away quite quickly. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Look at how we're female, yeah. - Same guy. - Well, that was just a fire bombing. - Like Tokyo. - I know. - Yeah. - Well, he's the thing. I mean, I don't know enough about it to say nukes are fake. But I think that Hiroshima and Nagasaki would just fireball. - If you put the pictures up of the Tokyo fire bombing with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it looks fucking identical. - Identical. - It grows back beautifully. Chernobyl same thing, grows back, everything's fine. My theory is that like the nuclear energy could give us very cheap limitless energy and the powers that shouldn't be do not want that to happen because all their fucking oil games that they're playing in the Straits of Hormus and stuff aren't done. Because if you fire up those reactors and they go on forever, I wish you could get far-- - And they're not dangerous. - Not dangerous at all. That's why they give you that program like you're talking about. It's like you think of Atomic Bomb. What's the first thing you think of? Fucking mushroom cloud. Explosion, all catastrophe, everyone dies. - They're like, it's not worth the risk. And so now they got people believe in that it's not worth the risk and like look at these ones where they've melted down and like it creates a hole in the earth that's just toxic forever. - It goes to China. - Yeah, yeah. - When are they real or not? It was definitely a sign up. But when you look at those nuclear blast films with the eyes that we have today, it's the same thing when you look at Apollo. You're just like, come on. - I did this to him a little while back 'cause I dude watched this and then have you ever seen the theories where they would have two different groups watching it and tell each group that you are watching TNT. That's the control. You are watching a nuclear explosion and they would just switch it. So they both thought they were watching TNT or they both thought they were watching nukes. They're like, cool, we found it. It's great. - If you get a big enough explosion, it's gonna create a mushroom cloud. - Yeah. - I mean, it's just, it's just fizz. - To no add. - My cousin's daughter is actually like extremely smart and she's in, she's like a nuclear physicist or something. So she tried to talk me off the ledge at a wedding I was at last weekend. But I mean, she's literally buying this education. And it's like buying brainwashing. - Yeah, yeah. - Or I could be completely wrong in any other way. - I don't know, I can like, I've been in zones where I don't believe anything. - Yeah. - It's like, flatter. Like I'm like flattered, it's all been a lie. And I'll rebuild it. But then I'll like start watching Kubrick movies and then I'm in a labyrinth and I can't get out. - Satellites is a weird one because if you really think there's as many as they say there are and then there's also classified satellites and these things are spinning around as our Earth spins and orbits and they never hit each other. There's never a problem. And then look at the temperatures. The temperatures are the different parts of the atmosphere. They go from like negative 70 degrees to 2000 or 5,000 degrees. So you're saying you have a metal, some kind of device with circuitry on it. You know, basically like cell phone like circuitry on it. And it doesn't have a problem with those extreme temperatures. I can't have my phone sitting next to me in the sun. - Ever. - And Florida on the hot day. - Doesn't like the sun, yeah. - But it's all good. They had six of them fall out of the sky in 2023. So those were the satellites. You saw them, it's real. We don't have the question anymore. - Well, let me tell you what changed my mind on the Nuke's thing, you know, aside from the conversation I have with Gordon. You know, you watch some of that footage and all these buildings are getting blasted away. What's happening to the camera? - Nothing. - Yeah, you know, like what is the camera encased in like, you know, 10 feet of concrete? - They try to say it was like way far away but I still think there should be some shock when it's clearly, it's clearly like in the vicinity of these buildings and you know, we understand now. Like we didn't understand special effects or not we but the people didn't understand special effects. They didn't understand all these kind of thing. They didn't understand parallax view when you're looking at all this. - That's crazy. - All of what is that you're clearly seeing a, you know, a sound stage. - Yeah, how did they get the film cameras from Earth to the moon and back without damaging that film? - They only get it there before they landed. Right, how did they take off again from a foreign environment they have no experience in whatsoever and get it right the first time? Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's just but it was a sign up but the whole point was that the country was kind of coming and glued. You know, you had these assassinations you had the protests you had the Vietnam war and it's kind of like we got to take people's minds off of all this And let's give them something that they can all sort of unite against Do you think it could have been like one of their own messes? They were cleaning up like if they're doing this MK Ultra and MK often thing and Naomi and all this like shit kind of gets out of control and they have to bring everyone back in Because the people and often think they're better than the MK Ultra people they all start war and then you get fucking sterile killers fucking crazy assassin. I'm kind of with what are you saying maybe during World War II there's just like Navy cult and then that grows yeah, and then we don't even know when I guess they're gonna wrap this up soon or they're dead and dying You know what's a waterfaring religion and I've been saying this a lot lately Scientology has not seen it stay yet. I think if they get extraterrestrials to come to earth and do all this crazy sci-fi shit People are gonna pick up the book of Scientology see your boy Hubbard out in the waters like that is if you had a look at that through like navel intelligence all this stuff All of those people in Hollywood all get into Scientology and it just seems like it's a perfect fit for like Hey, we were wrong about everything this guy Hubbard actually figured it out and this is our new religion. I've had people defend Scientology like people you think cool like you know how to Scientologist guitar teacher every week you try to Well, I'll tell you I'll tell you a little detail. We um We vacationed a couple years ago down in Point Pleasant and we went to the beach at Bayhead and every day I would make it a point to park in front of 666 Bay Avenue. Is that where they're at? No, well, that's that's where Hubbard wrote dionetic. Oh, okay. Yeah, and he just happened to pick But you know, I'll tell you something something to talk with Greg about is project Diana now project Diana was They bounced radar signals allegedly whether you believe it or not off the moon Okay, and that was during the start of the battle on working now that was at Fort Monmouth down in Jersey now What who's taken over Fort Monmouth now three guesses who's taken over Fort Monmouth The next place now. Oh, you fucking get it nice. Oh, yeah, no, that's not the place. Monmouth isn't the place with um The stranger things kids, right? That's montalk. Montalk, right? Might as well be though, right? Yeah Well when it comes to the space stuff There's a book by Richard Hogan and Mike Barrett called dark mission which has all the symbolism encoded into The rituals of the moon landing. I mean calling it a polo Yeah, I was just gonna say I call it stuff project Diana's like what are we doing one of one of Chris's best lines is uh They're like one. Yeah, one of Chris's best lines is that space is an altar. Yes, that all they're doing in space is ritual Yes, and uh when you listen to people like dine up a sulco who's a religious professor who got embedded with some of these like Military guys who are into UFOs She described on Sean Ryan's podcast that one of her anonymous sources the most recent time that she was hanging out with him he He showed her pictures where they're writing the names of Greek gods on the outsides of rockets before they send them up And she's like oh, you're actually using this weird form of Greek that isn't even popular anymore or form of Latin I should say and then she asked him she's like Why are you doing this because they even in the photos they would have have Obama come down and they'd have him standing up Physician say a certain line look this way do that and she's like what is this who's who when you send a rocket up to space It has a Latin name of a Roman god on an Greek god. What what who's reading that and his response reply was our sponsors So he's basically saying there's something up there in space what whatever space is like our concept of space is warped But it's not just an empty vacuum where there's other planets. It's some it's like maybe an ocean more It's more akin to an ocean with you on that and the water's above the firmament. Yeah exactly Waters of noon and that it's where the spirits are more dense. I believe that's kind of like I just watched um We're less dense. Yeah space Odyssey with Andrew for the first time and like Watching that and like the whole thing's like pretty crazy But once that dude goes into like hyperdrive throughout shit I was like dude this is hitting me on a level which is too fucking freaky at it like I have no idea what's going on But it's a feeling that's familiar where like dude. I fucking have been there before like that with some shit like that and sleep paralysis maybe I just want to say I met Diana Peck's basalco with Gordon Uh the Guggenheim. Yeah, she's she's got major milk energy. I just just need to say that Gordon and her did a presentation together Gordon being in a cult is her being a religious scholar at the Guggenheim. It was one of like his Int on his resume. Yeah, I mean he'd love to have in that on his resume Yeah But you know, I heard I just booked her for another interview and I haven't read her newest book yet But it's getting blasted online. Oh my gosh People are saying that it seemed not only is the subject matter way more about AI than it is about aliens or UFOs But it also apparently feels written by AI in some parts. Oh gosh Probably is. Yeah, but this is I think this is what her up was the whole time is they brought her in They were like let's get a religious scholar involved here and and help her craft like a very popular book Right And then we're going to accept her into a into a series of a line of thinking that takes you into the AI area And if you're a warrior with her books and like when they write the books she thinks she's on over the target everyone's fucking loving it It's again her first book is great her second book is and what I'm hearing about her third book is like it's very It's very bad and people want the alien stuff. Yeah, but she's writing now about AI why because I think that this is how she was led along I think she's a genuine person, but I think she naively They used her credentials against her and they showed her a little bit behind the curtain got her to write about it And then they're like now we want you to write about this person and this person and we want to know about this subject And it's going so far off the original thing But if you look at what Peter teals all about it is like this merging of AI thinking with alien thinking and like We are summoning the demon and all this like they're trying to Warm they're trying to mainstream their cult or they're trying to create a religion based off the beliefs of the cult behind the curtain Well, this is what Lucifer's technology is really about you know the series that I'm still working on making a book, but you know, it's it's a huge story But no, I generally believe that that it is it is a cult but it is a cult that isn't just Daydreaming that they are actually somehow connected or communicating or in communion With all to trust real entities and I know Probably a lot of listeners will have a huge problem with that but I've been working on this problem for a very long time Well, it seems the weird thing that when I was listening you guys talk yesterday, and I don't know if you guys could get back into it because it's something that like I I can't explain it because I'm not fucking smart enough, but like the way People call your saintness immediately if you're saying dude maybe Lucifer wasn't a bad guy And he was actually like created human stuff like that, but like Going back through forever like when you guys were talking one of the pockets I was listening to They always every single religion that starts says these guys are Sataness they are evil do not believe in them So like yeah, I don't have any time for that anymore to be honest with you it's just In order to keep any sort of group going you have to have a very strong Opponent outgroup, you know any in-group needs an out-group or or else that not an in-group, right? I mean you define yourself as an in-group through the out-group Which is fine as far as it goes, but it's not useful if you want to understand reality if you want to understand What's really going on up there you can't just Boyle it down to these things because I'll tell you I mean I was raised pretty serious Christian But but it was old school conservative. It wasn't like fundamentalist or evangelical and you know I saw and You know, you know my pastor was Pretty upset about it to be honest with you, but you know when the Fundamentals evangelical stuff came in because it wasn't really It was more political. It was more about tribalism and so on and so forth and Unfortunately, what what you have now is like okay, you know, I'm a I'm an evangelical Presbyterian, but you're a Presbyterian evangelical you're the devil you're gonna have I mean I you know like I have this it's a joke, but it's not a joke It's like it's like I can't be a Christian because I don't want to spend all my time arguing with other Christians Yeah, you know, it's just it's so frustrating because You go on Twitter or any social media And you know the Catholics are arguing with the Protestants and the Protestants are acting arguing with you know the orthodox I mean, it's just this huge battle. It's just like There's no other issues here. There's not a greater problem in in our culture and our society that maybe you can just put These differences aside that most people outside your church Don't think are all that important, you know I mean can't just put these things aside and and maybe just sort of Come together and form a you know solidarity and then you know solve these greater problems that we're dealing with and then worry about that stuff. later it's just like no it's like that's the fun it's the fun of like you know I mean even like various sex of Catholicism you know you know whether it's you know Latin mass only versus you know Vatican I mean it's just it gets to be like come on they're looking for differences to find out the most tiny minutia but the thing I like about your Lucifer's technology series is if we're gonna say they're not aliens from space they're ultra-terrestrials or like demons or some kind of spiritual entity then we all know the story that they try to tell us like the kind of covert stories oh well these aliens sometimes crash and then we reverse engineer their crabs and we get technology from them right and that goes back to Roswell so that goes back to ancient Greece by the way well there very okay that exact story the exact story of some you know it was these what were they called the the cubby Erie