The SEC Sues LSU: Making Sense of the Chaos With Bruce Feldman

>> It's a flash pod, LSU's the mess, Lane Kiffin might have picked a fight that he now doesn't want to finish, we'll see how it plays out. We don't know enough about the loss that we're bringing on Bruce Feldman, who's dialed in. He's got a lot of resources and sources, there's more to sort through today than we even thought there was going to be with the situation in Baton Rouge. And you know what's really messed up, Mention? There's still 238 days until the NFL Draft, and I'm in a totally different outfit, so are you. Mention good? I'm confused, man. Talk for all that thing, please save us. >> The McShay show was presented by Fandall. College football Saturdays are here, and it's your most rewarding season ever on Fandall. With the all new Fandall Rewards Club, every eligible bet can earn you points, win or lose. The more points, the bigger the rewards you can unlock. At defandall.com/McShay to start earning with Fandall Rewards Club, 21 plus select states, 18 plus DC, Kentucky or Wyoming, gambling problem called 1-800 gambler, called 1-8-8-8-7-8-9-77-7-7-7, or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut. >> Mention you and I are idiots with this stuff, so we had to call on our friend, Bruce Feldman. Bruce, I know the scene in Baton Rouge right now is a zoo, I've been texting with a couple people. I know that all of a sudden we get the Commissioner Sanky is on the stand for two plus hours, standing room only, they've had to put players in a jury box or something like that. Commissioner Sanky is there, and so that in and of itself is why originally we wanted to talk to you, but we're now talking to you even before we get a rolling on that because it's lasting a lot longer than we thought. And the bigger news, the breaking news today is that a separate suit, a federal suit, is filed in the state of Alabama, which I have to believe that it's not a coincidence they filed in that state against LSU and Lane Kiffin. So I don't know how else to bring you on, or what other question to ask you besides like, what the hell is going on right now as we're getting ready to kick off college football week one? I know it's crazy, this is such a surreal kind of thing because of all the things you laid out. I mean, Lane Kiffin loves drama, he's drawn to it, the moth and the flame. And I think right now, this is next level even for him, and it's crazy to think, again, these two players, you know, you have a big delimit and a pretty good tight end. Of course, he's nowhere near as good as Trey Desgreen, the tight end they already have. And it's not like this delimit is Reggie White, and yet here's Lane Kiffin and what feels like all of the state of Louisiana because it's a governor, it's the school, it's the president, they're all named in this lawsuit with, you know, with the SEC now, you know, from the people I've talked to who are on the legal side, they are like, what is LSU doing? What is Lane Kiffin doing? They're not going to win this because at some point it's going to end up in some point fast. They think it will end up going up to the federal level where at least the people I talked you do not think they can win that. And so where does his head to be on that, like what kind of collateral damage could come out of this on the Lane Kiffin side, you know, because there's like a sportsmanship clause that that gives Greg Sanky and the SEC a lot of discretion coming out of it. Just the idea that this lawsuit has become that way, you know, and we're what? I don't know, 48 hours away from the first game, like, I don't know how that is not a distraction at all. If you're Lane Kiffin and you're everybody to LSU because I was texting in, I won't see who this was, but it's like a mutual friend of ours who used to be a coach in the business. And he goes, you know, and this was like, this was two or three days ago, though. And he said, you know, I don't think the players will, it gets to the players. And I said, eventually this stuff does because, and I didn't know it would get to where we are today, right now, but I think it's just, you can't, this is like next level beyond next level of the circus. So again, so we have this, we have this suit, and I'm going to pull them. We have this, this lawsuit with Judge Jordan, right, in Baton Rouge, kind of a procedural issue. We're waiting that decision. And that is essentially on, like, the stay, right, whether, whether these, these players can come back and play. But then we have this federal suit that's now been filed against LSU and named Kiffin personally, and is that correct? Yeah, he's, he's made, as well as the AD, Virgilisbury, and a few other people. I mean, it's, it's just nutty, all of it. So if they win, if they, if they win this suit, and they come out victorious in Baton Rouge, but they lose the lawsuit in Alabama, the federal lawsuit Birmingham, how, how, how, how does this all play out? Like does this, but does it become null and void what happened in Baton Rouge? Yeah, I mean, from what I was told that federal court would supersede everything. So that would, would literally Trump, whatever else is going on, there's two separate tracks here. I don't, you know, again, I'm not a lawyer either. I'm just going by legal expert told me and is very familiar with some of these things, and also familiar with a lot of people involved in it, and as far as the case closely, but I just, I don't know where, like, my gut is that eventually LSU is not going to get their way. And then, you know, does the SEC go just look all right? Just don't do that again, or do they try to get a pound of flesh from Lane Kiffin and LSU? Because you really backed us into a corner that was unfathomable, right? So step away from this for just a second and think of it in this context. That's great. We have all this talk about playoff expansion, and here's the big 10 and how they are kind of essentially aligned under Tony Patiti. They may not, everybody may not agree with exactly everything that's being pushed forward, but you're not getting a lot of people speaking out. And the SEC, there's more dissent that goes on and that seeps out and they're not unanimous in it. This is like this other piece of it, if I'm Greg Sanky, I am alarmed by a break here. And by the way, this isn't just like some school. It's one of the flagship schools in the country, right? You know, so, man, I don't know what the legal strategy is going forward again because, you know, if Lane Kiffin's subject to that sportsmanship clause, which gives Sanky a lot of leeway and how he could choose to punish him, is, you know, does ultimately Lane Kiffin end up serving like a one-season suspension? I mean. Yeah, Bruce. I'm sorry. But I also was told that Sanky today, like, there were some embarrassing moments for him personally. Embarrassing might be too. But some moments that like, you're sitting on the stand and someone in an attorney general is grilling you on. What's your tax return say? Oh, four point something million last year. Did you fly here private? Yes. At one point, he needed to get a glass of water and reset. This is not like, I had to show up for court and give like 15 answers and got in and out and get back on the plane and go. This is a moment where it feels personal, right, and we're all humans. If I'm Sanky and I'm walking out of there, kind of sweating under my collar and having to answer questions that just don't feel good and are uncomfortable, yeah, there's a level of embarrassment and typically it's human beings when we get embarrassed and you're in a position of power. It's like, okay, it's time for you to get yours, Lane. Hold on. Well, I'll ask you that. I would assume I'm sorry. Go ahead, Mitch. Go ahead. Is that something that could happen that he could get a season? This is what my concern with that is. At what point do you, does it have to stop? Because they suspend him for a season. I assume LSU is like, all right, now we go to the mattresses. Now this is really on and something that was ugly before is going to get even uglier. And that's no good for the SEC either. Like, doesn't Craig Sanky have to, at some point say enough is enough for moving on? I think that's what Todd started laying out a minute ago about the line of questioning. This isn't like one of us to give in a deposition where we're getting interviewed by a bunch of different lawyers from different sides and it happens in a private office and you may walk out of there, pissed off, but you are not like the only people who know it or like the six people who might be in the room and maybe there's a camera that nobody ever gets to see. Right. That's my reference from being in the mic, but that wasn't public or whatever. But they've made a documentary about it yet, so it's so big and maybe seem to have helped the person who wants to sit through 700 pages of my deposition. So the thing that I keep coming back to, and again, this is a conversation that started like 20 minutes before he came on, was has Lane Kiffin actually ever been held accountable really for anything that where he's gone way over the line, right? No, Nick Sabin shoved him out the door after he got tired of him when he took the FAU job and he was like, I don't need you around. You're going to screw this up for us in the championship game, right? And there's been other times where people have been ticked off at him. But really, like, yeah, he got fired on the tarmac by Pat Hayden, you know? But like, to me, this is different, right? Because this is not, this is a marriage that just started. It's not a marriage that's already over like USC's was, right? So I'm fascinated to see what they end up doing, like because there's a lot of steps. Obviously, you know, the person who is like walking me through the discretion of Sankie, if it gets to this point, and again, I don't think it's at this point yet, but I didn't think we'd be anywhere near where we are right now or where we are in the last two hours. So it's almost like all bets are off, right? Like, we're out in the middle of something, we don't know, we don't see sure anywhere around us. Right. And there's the fact that it was filed, like, as they're going into court essentially, or this takes place as a surprise to just about everyone nationally. In the state of Alabama, I think kind of tells you what Sankie and SEC, like, their thoughts on what's going on. And how much they enjoy this trip to Baton Rouge, you know, as we're getting ready to kick off week one of the college football season, right? I mean, it kind of feels like the Soresby thing a little bit. You know, Brendan Soresby, like, wins the local, in Lubbock, Texas, wins the local jurisdiction and he's able to play. But then the big 12 comes in with their big guns for lack of a better phrase. It kind of feels like something similar just happened to occur simultaneously in two different courtrooms at the same time and eventually Soresby, through his people, his group, decided to kind of wave the white flag. Yeah. But that also happened, like, two months before we're actually going to play football. This is like less than 48 hours, right? And that's where I was going to finish. Like, is, is, are we, did Lane finally get himself into him? Did he finally pick with, pick a fight in the bar with someone that is not only, like, big and strong enough to kick his ass, but also kind of wants to go out in the alley with him. You know what I mean? And by the way, he's calling plays on Saturday. Like, you know what I mean, like, how, how this isn't a distraction would be beyond me. Yeah. I agree with you. And it's like, I think what you get to ask here is, is anybody able to tell Lane Kiffin in his circle? No. No, you just like, this is bad idea, but he just, again, for like, for what now, right? I mean, I hear all the players who got cut from the NFL, they're not like, you know, you have an elite tight end, who is much, yeah, this isn't like Aaron Donald, like, like, make Vey and, no, less need trying to, trying to like, win a lawsuit to bring Aaron Donald back. If the league was precious, pushing back against, well, why does he just get to go back to the Rams? There should be a draft like, it's not Aaron Donald, like, with all due respect. You know? No, it's a guy who, look, I mean, I know you guys do a ton of evaluation too. This was not a delinement that people were, like, he's a big man, but it was not a guy, people were raving about starting with, like, the interview process coming out of Indy and all of a sudden. And by the way, he was also like a guy who, I think, you know, wasn't saying the most flattering things about Lane Kiffin when all the stuff was going on around the playoff, right? But this is, this is kind of what they're leaning into, right? And so, man, you know, of all the crazy things that we've associated with Lane Kiffin, I did not think we'd ever get to this. And I definitely didn't think we'd get to it. Before you ever coached a game at LSU. I hear the juice, the juice and the squeeze here, they don't, they don't line up. Go ahead, Mentor. A hundred percent. And I understand that. And I hear all of this argument about Lane. I want to flip the script here a little bit. Is he actually right in this situation? Why not? And he's kids play. Why not let these kids, like, they call him right is not. You just said he's not, you know, we mentioned earlier Travis Kelsey before we got on. He's not Treda's green. This is not someone who's going to come in and I think tip the scales in a way that's going to make this, the difference between a championship team and not a championship team. These kids are going to get five for five. This kid played seven games at Virginia Tech as a freshman. If he had played four, we're not having this conversation. And the whole amateur versus pro thing is out the window. These guys are getting paid. And I don't think that Todd Munkin as good as a coach as he is somehow magically made Deque on right. So good that we can't let him play college football again, like, I, there's maybe I'm missing something. But there is a lot of, there seems to be a lot of holier than now with some of these guys about this is just we can't do this in the game. It's interesting to me. I wonder, do you have any kind of a feel on that? No, it's definitely like Lane had kind of rationalized that argument in whether it related to Trinidad tablets was all quarterback. Or people's different clocks, I mean, there's plenty of players in college football who are going to play this weekend, who are older than these guys, right? It's, I think what we're kind of running into is anybody can sue anybody to work their way into this. And they were trying to stop it. I don't know how aggrieved people get, right? You know, with some of this, where, oh my god, this guy's going to play, I remember, you know, not as much as our friend, but I watch a lot of NBA, right? Like, there was a freshman freshman, like point guard from UCLA who spent one year at UCLA. It wasn't, that wasn't as good as expected. Played like 10 games for the Hornets and then ended up trying to come back, right? I don't even, and he's like not 24 years old because he left the NBA. So left college at UCLA so early. But I think all of this people are like, whoa, I've seen him in an NBA uniform. I've seen him in an NFL uniform. Like everybody got flipped out about Jack Piber and had two sacks in a game a couple of weeks ago. Right now he ended up landing somewhere, so he pulled back. But chiefs. Yeah. I think that, you know, the point you're making is valid because it's, because there's enough wiggle room in all these other cases. The part where I just kind of was like, all right, you got to back away from it if you're LSU is when your commissioner of your league, which you've, you know, supposed to be in alignment with, goes, don't do that because then all of a sudden it causes more chaos and we're just plowing ahead. And what's interesting to me, again, it like, if either one of these guys was going to start for them and look, you know, defensive tackle could because they're going to, they have, you know, three freshmen who are really good, but they're still freshmen, right? Would you say, okay, Lane's just doing it for any little, any possible advantage because obviously having two big bodies definitely isn't going to hurt, but I don't know if there's, you know, is there another ulterior motive that's, because it doesn't feel like just, I'm not, Lane Kippen is not doing anything for altruism. No, that's, and I totally agree with that. Even if I believe that and this might be the right move, I don't think that's, that Lane's motivation isn't, let's do right by the kids, like I don't think that's what's going on here. Yeah. Is there anyone who's enjoying what happened, what is going on today, like in this moment, more than Davos we need? I mean, I'm sure college coaches around the country are kind of like, maybe, maybe Lane's finally going to get a little taste of it or get what he deserves, you know, but Davos as he's preparing his team, you know, it's got it. There's so many facts for me to drag into it this week too. That's right. A non-Talty book where it was that Lane Tipped Off, you know, Lane, Lane tried to tip Davos off to get after Ole Miss and then, you know, Matt Luke, the old former Ole Miss coach and offensive lineman who works at Clemson, tip them, like I don't even, it's hard to even keep it straight and then Davos like, no, that really didn't happen that way or whatever. Right. Are there actually any coaches that, you know, are quietly, you know, we would go through with this if we could. We don't think it's a bad thing for college football. If these kids, again, they are not, they have to clear waivers. They are not kids who are on an NFL team saying, I'm going to head back to college. Are there any college coaches do you think that kind of agree with them? They are. If they're probably their position room, you know, had two injuries or some kid, you know, didn't get admitted or something like the like, you know, I did some survey like in the off season. And one of the questions was, are you in favor of five or five? And there's an online coach that I've known for a long time and he goes, no, I, we should not have that. He goes, but I'll be the first to admit that if I have problems in my position room, I'll take a guy who's in his seventh year wants to come back because I, you know, it's my livelihood. And we are all in this profession. are protecting our self interest. - Yeah, like Andrew looks like the mother Teresa of football and he has the general manager, we had him on a week ago and it's Stanford and he's like, all but like we're exploring every angle as because when leadership and structure are not in place, like there's opportunities and we're gonna explore everything until they get, you know, until everything is aligned and there are rules in place that prevent us from doing certain things. It's just, we're all competitors and you're all looking at it and said, yeah, who's it hurting? It's not hurting anyone. In fact, it's helping these young men. Maybe it's another opportunity for them. Certainly they're gonna make more money than not playing football next year. And there's a loophole and it's been created by the lack of leadership in college football, but I'm not gonna get on a soap bucket. - Well, the only way I think it gets cleared up is long term they have to probably go to collective bargaining because then it gets all the funnels of lawsuits in every like hometown, court, judge and all that, puts that, you know, kind of in the back in the rear view mirror because right now it just seems like this is an endless case, an endless run of lawsuits and drama and, you know, I think everybody's exhausted by it. - Yeah, you probably talked to more lawyers over the past year than you have your entire career. Probably feels like I would imagine. - It would feel like it definitely does. And there's a lot of stuff, you know, and again, because I'm not a court reporter, I don't, you know, like know the ins and outs of the law. And so the case you guys referenced about SARS-B, you know, a bit ago, you know, it came up that like, the way that kind of played out was the Texas attorney general weighed in for some reason and really stepped in it and he opened up a pathway for the law firm to kind of run right through and without that, it kind of blew up in SARS-B and Texas' text face. And, but most of us who cover this had no idea that was the, what flipped it? Well, this is a hot moment. - Yeah, and so because we just don't know the law like this, we're kind of all like walking around in the dark on it, you know, and it's really interesting when you see like, if it's exactly how the people I talk to today, I think it is that LSU is just kind of like, gonna walk into, walk into the wall in a couple of minutes from this, it sounds like. - I watch enough date lines and documentaries. I feel like I'm a lawyer now, but then today happens and I'm put right back in my place. I have a feeling we're gonna be calling you next week and bugging you because there's gonna be more updates. But while you're here, can we actually talk a little football? - I would love that. - Your freaks list, your freaks list is out. And obviously, that makes me say that so two weeks ago. But I want, while you're here, I'd love to ask you a kind of a couple of questions on those guys as it pertains to the NFL draft. It's, I think I even said it on XD the other day. Like, I don't know that there's an article that comes out annually that more people in football, whether it's Scouts, General Managers, College Coaching, that race to go read your annual freaks list. So we'll give you our thank you for what you provide for all of us. That is the kindest praise I can get from anybody that people inside the football world really care about it. I was like blown away when I started realizing that in a little while. But while we're here, the obvious were like, we know like Jeremiah Smith's gonna be on there and Dylan Stewart, the address from South Carolina. There were a couple guys that were intriguing to me at like draft prospects, right? KJ Duff, it's a guy I keep mentioning on this show and we'll get to him as we get closer to the draft. And I know Rutgers probably isn't gonna be in a position where we're talking about him every Saturday nationally, right? Give the folks a feel for this wide receiver that's gonna start getting more and more attention, especially as we get into like into the spring or even like February, March and April of what he is physically. He has a you know got remarkable ball skills, right? You know, he's six, five-ish with long arms, you know, athletic but just has crazy catch radius and makes some spectacular one-handed catches and has been doing this since he was like 10 years old. They found this commercial that he was in where he made this remarkable catch in Peewee football, right? And so Rutgers has good skill talent, right? They lost one good receiver, Ian Strong, who Cal took but their running back is also really good players originally from Canada, but KJ is remarkable. And you know, it's not like they, he's got a great quarterback throwing to him right now, Dylan Connergan, who had been in Alabama, then a PC, is you know, will be the guy or Bob Saras, the Princeton coach's son, you know, was competing for the job as well. But it's just he's a guy you will see on halftime highlights that he made a spectacular catch or two spectaco touchdown catches in like a 31 to 20 Rutgers loss. - The list comes up a lot on our show. And I use it, I love to go to it when there's a guy that maybe McShay is a little lower on than I am. And I think that Oregon defensive tackle and Mari Washington is a great example. He's a guy that, 'cause tape's a little inconsistent, but he's just different and I'll go back and be like, oh yeah, Bruce has a number three in the freaks list. I think last year was number four. Just could you talk about him a little bit and what makes him unique? - Yeah, I mean, he's, you know, six, three plus. Now he's down to down to 330 pounds. He was like 338 last year, 35, 36 inch vertical. He's running almost 21 miles per hour. That's how I think told me what they clocked him out last year. I was like, are you serious? This is like, there was a couple of times in the last year, definitely last year, there was two moments where I was like, no, that can't be right. - Yeah. - That was one of them. And, but he's super strong too. There's, you know, there's video that they posted of him doing Pat Field Squad with like 855 pounds, right? - Yeah. - And he's, I get it about the inconsistency. You know, I think he's a really good player. If he is, you know, the thing I would ask you guys, and you guys do this for the living on it is, how many 340 pound guys in college are consistent? You know, like that's the concern, I guess. But there's some wow traits. And again, if you told me he's gonna be the 20th picker of the draft or the 18th picker of the draft, I would say, yeah, I could see it, right, you know, it's just the, like some of these guys who, 'cause last year, you know, Clemson, you know, Clemson's defensive tackles is now at the chiefs. Obviously, terrific, was terrific recruit and really dynamic athlete for being such a big guy. Now, he's probably 30 pounds less than, than Amari Washington is. But, you know, you go somewhere and now listen, he's around Chris Jones. And it's like, ooh, that feels good. Or, you know, last year Walter Nolan got drafted by the Cardinals. There was another really good, a couple of really good influences around him, like, okay, maybe this is the thing that gets him over the top, you know, and so, you know, I could see Teams again. And he's still got a full season this year. They have really good deliming around them. I'm excited to see what he can do, 'cause I just think he has really, really special talent. - I mean, Caleb Banks won 18th overall. You mentioned like 18th, right? Caleb Banks had nothing, but no, Caleb Banks got drafted on the wild moments in the freakish ability, but had more injuries and inconsistency probably than even Washington. Last one for this, for me at least, South Carolina's got two guys prominently featured. We've been hearing about the talent and watching it on tape for a couple of years with Nick Harbor, who ran, like, it's absurd 23.8 miles per hour, I think is what your article said, at 235 pounds, but it also makes 300, would you have 327 pounds for Washington running 20.7 miles an hour, even more absurd, but I guess is there any, like talking to coaches, is there any feel as we get ready to kick off week one of the season? Maybe this is the year we start to see Nick Harbor, the receiver, not just the highly featured guy on Bruce Feldman's list who makes six to eight plays a year where you're like, oh my gosh, the potential, but you can see the rawness about him. - Yeah, I mean, that's the question mark, right, with him. For the first couple of years, he was still running track in the off season, and I think there was a feeling of, okay, he's gonna continue to develop, but I don't wanna say when is he getting serious about football, that's not fair to him, but it's not like, like I went down to South Florida in April, Malachite Tony is about as all in, as anybody I've ever been around, right? Just, and he's obsessed with the details and the love it, you know, just blown away by it. Malachite Tony is 5 1,195 pounds. This guy's bigger than Megatron. He's an inch taller, he's gonna be faster. Like as fast as Calvin Johnson ran, 435 at the combine, whatever was 20 years ago. - This guy should run 425, at that side. - Wow. - And he's an inch taller, he is longer. Like usually, and I'd actually saw him when he was a recruit. We had a big noon game where it was Michigan, Maryland. And I remember, Loxley said, I think it's going to come down to us. And he looked like a defensive end. He was every bit of 65 plus and around 240 pounds in high school. And he was almost like a power forward. Loxley was like, it's going to come down to us in Michigan. Well, then Shane Beamer ended up going in there and went in that recruiting battle. And Lenores Sellers, who's also on the Freaks list is, he's had three different OCs in three years. So I think there's just been a lot of things. You'll line what in great last year. I don't even know if I would say it was good, but especially in the SEC. So I think there's just a lot of things that have been like moving targets. Like I like Lenores a lot. And I want to see, I want to spend just doing this. >> Yeah, I just got seen those balls. That's not my fault. I don't think of the guys who are, Lenores is 6'3, 2'35. He is fast, he will run in the 4'5s. He's also really smart. I think that here's another one with the consistency issues. Of the three guys they have, who are Freaks list guys, you mentioned Dylan Stewart. I mean, Dylan Stewart's probably the safest pick. But again, I think there's people who are like on the consistency side to there. He's probably not going to play this weekend. And they're hoping he gets ready for when the bigger games start, right? But I don't know, they're all elite athletes. And I think that all do some things where you're just, okay, I see it. You just need to see it more. My gut is if you get the bounce back year from Lenores, I think that what will come with that will be a lot more wild plays from Nick. Yeah, I was going to get to Lenores too. And yeah, three guys on your list from South Carolina. Like, there's talent there. There's top end talent and I'm interested to see if South Carolina hangs around this year. You know, like with with briles coming enough. I want to ask you this. Speaking of a school that's like not in the top 10. Who if you if I had to give you one team or you can pick two if you want. But a team that as you're talking to people around the coaches and people in the game around the country, are we sleeping on? Are we are we overlooking a team that we've got right. Like a people Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Notre Dame, Texas, Indiana, Miami, A&M, Ole Miss, Oklahoma. It's kind of a lot of the usual suspects with Alabama. They're at 13 LSU at 11 and college football playoff team last year. Texas take it 12. Is there another team or two that you're here and like, hey, don't don't overlook like we're worried about playing them. Or there's more talent there or they kind of it sets up well for them. Any teams that we should have our eye on as we get ready to kick off week one. I would have loved for you to it's a set of the top nine because that team that's like on the cusp of the top 10 that I'm very interested in is Oklahoma. Be too good. They have a chance to make a big jump forward, right? Take some notes, Mench. Mattier was a shell of himself, right? He played with the broken hand and that's one thing. The O-Line was super young last year. They were playing freshman. Now they've added too much older alignment and the freshmen are talented and they're not freshmen anymore. Yeah. I love Deon Berks, but Deon Berks was kind of playing out of position outside because they had Isaiah Sotania who can really run too. So he had Trell Harris from Virginia is a really good addition. The other thing that's big and this is from talking to people there, Jason Witten has had a huge impact on that program. He's the new tight ends coach. That was a real soft, the sore spot for them last year. They bring in three transfers, all big guys, all experience like big, big tight ends. And I think that's going to help mature in the offense out a lot because it gives them a lot of flexibility in what they can do. I think, you know, it's not like mature as six four. So I have a six seven target out there from Florida who can run and is, you know, is another Freaks List guy. I think that'll help. And their defense was was really good last year and they think it should be even better this year. So as long as mature stay is healthy, I think they're a team that could really be a lot better than people think. I think it'd be a top. The problem is they could be a top eight to 10 team and still not make the playoff because of the schedule. That's my concern for Oklahoma. I agree with everything. That's good. Like, like, one of Texas is over height. Great. I loved. I would love to see what if what if Georgia doesn't make that next step? What if A&M's is just last year was awesome, but we got to regroup the, come on, man. Ifson bus soon. I get it. I did listen. That program is going on the right direction. But that's ifson bus. Yeah. Let's let Bruce get out of here. He's got to go cover two trials now. This thing's a mess. Let the folks know where they find office for a second. I know where the folks can see you this weekend and every weekend throughout the college football. I am in studio with coach Chris Peterson from Boise in Washington, fame. That's got to be fun, man. It is. There's nobody better to watch football Saturday with. I've actually heard that from many people like he's just, he's different. Yeah. He's so obsessed with the game. You can ask him anything. I'm like, why would they not like, I remember there was a spoof game, I was like, why would they not just go to zone and he doesn't, he may not know exactly why that team isn't to do it, but he can walk me through of like this, what he thinks they're seeing or different things, how they come up. He just, he's super smart and because he's such a football junkie, he wants to watch every game. And, you know, there's, it's really cool to just get that kind of connection, yeah. It's surprising that no school is convinced him to get back in it. They're not going to, he, yeah, on, this is one I feel confident of all the people I know who are out, who would not like, he knows himself well enough, that's how smart he is. Yeah. I don't want to go back because if I go back, I can't, I'm going to, it's going to go to my worst instincts and I'm going to live a life that I don't want to live. I don't want to be chasing, recruiting 24/7. I don't want to be, you know, I'm not Mario Christoal. That is not the world I want to live in at the stage of my life, you know, and good on him. I think he's very comfortable with what he did as, what he did as a coach. And, you know, I think there's a little bit like stupes, Bob Stupes, when, when he retired early, not Bob Stupes retired really early because his dad passed away and his 50s was a, you know, a great high school coach in Ohio. And I think Bob was like, life short, I'm going to have fun. I'm going to do what I want to do and he is. And I think Coach Pete, in a similar, maybe not for the exact same reason, but I think for some of it, it's like, you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to be very comfortable with this because this world that college football is now, I don't want to be in that. Yeah. And then he's not, he's not alone in that. Tell my kill. I said, hello. Good. I will. It's old to call the cars from the ESPN days. How about that? Right. Right. I always enjoyed doing shows with Mike and he's at Bruce Feldman, CFB on X, follow him. You're going to want to follow him all season long for all, for all of the information, the freaks list and everything else. We appreciate you coming on for short notice, man. And hopefully we can just get to enjoy some football this weekend, you know? Yeah. I'm going to work to it. Thanks for having me, guys. You guys, Bruce. Let's talk to you soon, you guys. Must be 21 plus in present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas star Casino or 18 plus in present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming gambling problem, call 1 800 gambler or 1 800 my reset, call 1 8 8 8 7 8 9 7 7 7 7 7 7 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 1 800 327 5050 for 24 seven support in Massachusetts or call 1 8 7 7 8 hope and why or text hope and why in New York for Louisiana, call 1 8 7 7 7 7 7 0 7 8 6 7. [Music]