Sean O'Malley is a seasoned UFC fighter known for his fiery personality, strategic mindset, and deep connections to culture, including music and self-defense. He credits his early life in sports and a turning point at age 16 in Arizona—where he was repeatedly beaten but built confidence—to his rise in MMA. O'Malley emphasizes mental resilience, physical discipline, and preparation, noting that his approach to fighting combines speed, strategy, and mental toughness. He shares personal experiences, such as losing the title to Merab Dvalishvili and later fighting him in a rematch where he tapped out, but remains confident in his ability to succeed. He discusses the physical and emotional toll of weight cutting, training, and the challenges of maintaining mental focus. O'Malley also reflects on his lifestyle, including his family, children, and values, and expresses a desire to stay involved in the sport while maintaining a balanced life. His training includes jujitsu, and he believes submission-based self-defense is essential. He is also passionate about pickleball and community building, emphasizing his role as a mentor to younger fighters. Notably, he advocates for a fairer fight weight system, where fighters weigh in right before entering the octagon, to ensure fairness and reduce health risks. His upcoming fight at the White House, a historic event, highlights his visibility and growing influence in mainstream culture, where he is seen not just as a fighter but as a cultural figure. Despite the physical demands of the sport, O'Malley remains driven by a deep love of the game and a commitment to personal growth.
It's Sean O'Malley, he's from the valley
He'll fight you 'til you die, I can't see
Sean O'Malley's ready to fight at the White House
Whoa, today is a very important day
I'm not sure if you're aware, oh, there's a smudge all over that
Why is it an important day?
There's a smudge
Well, you can get Windex
We have our first fighter coming in
I've been here
Just for that, I'm gonna beat the shit out of you during
Have you ever fought?
Yes
I've never fought once
I've fought many times
Are you guys gonna fight him?
No, but maybe
Maybe you have
If he says something I don't like
Oh, wow!
Hey!
This guy's from I Don't Give A Fuck University
To be a fighter, you gotta be a little crazy
No normals
A normal person can beat you up
Not bad
If I would grab you, I'd choke you like that
Oh my god, that hurt
I might be a better overall athlete
Who's your dad?
If I put on padding right now
You punched me, you destroyed me
Okay
Yeah, that's amazing
We know nothing about you, but I mean that
We know of you, which is so impressive
The fact that we all know who you are
Don't follow the sport necessarily
I love to hear that
It's like whatever you're doing on a branding perspective
Your wardrobe, unbelievable
I appreciate that
We were saying
We were talking about Tommy Lee, too
You might not even know his band
But you know Tommy Lee because he's like the guy
6ix9ine, another person
Some people don't know the music at all
You have a 6ix9ine tattoo?
6ix9ine tat and 6ix9ine on me
Oh my god
Really?
Yeah
For Tekashi?
He did it
He did?
He did some of it, yeah
Really?
Miami, after one of my fights
I was hanging out with Steve
Like Steve will do it
He's like, bro, you wanna meet 6ix9ine?
I was like, hell yeah
Were you a fan of his before you met him?
I like 6ix9ine
Did you do your hair because of him?
There was a lot of inspiration from 6ix9ine
Really?
Crazy rainbow colors
Like there was a lot of inspiration there
Wow
I feel like that's what
I feel like as far as a person
Who's fully outside the business of UFC
I feel like when you did that
You were on my feed every day from then on
If he wasn't a good fighter
It wouldn't have been happening
That fight I did that was
So it was COVID
So we were fighting at the Apex in Vegas
Where I went from the fight before I was in an arena
Like 20,000 people
To my next fight was
There was like 800 people
Not even that
There was maybe 100 people in the Apex
The UFC
And it was
I knocked this dude out
Hit him with the right hand
With the colorful hair
Yeah
And he was snoring
You could literally hear him go
Really?
It was crazy
Yeah
And that's what just made you
It definitely
Was it just an exciting knockout
Or was this like a big fight as far as the
It was my third UFC fight
So it wasn't like a big fight in the rankings
It wasn't for the title
It wasn't this
It was this
It was like a lot of hype
Yeah
From coming off the Contender Series
Yeah
From Snoop Dogg
Okay
Did you guys hear this?
No just cause
Well yeah tell us
I'll play two seconds of it please
Yeah I know what you're gonna do
You have the rights to it right?
Hey O'Malley
Look I know what he's
Hey Lil Dicky in the house
Oh
Lil Dicky
And I don't wanna play too much
Cause I don't know how much copyright there is
No no yeah
But that was when I first walked out
And then fast forward into the fight
I don't remember at what point
But Snoop's
Sean Lil Dicky O'Malley
Wow
Going crazy
You didn't know that Chad?
No
This was 2017
I mean look at me
I look like a fucking
You guys should
I literally look like I'm 12
When you saw that for the first time
Wow you do
Were you like
Ugh
Why did he say Lil Dicky
Or were you like
Okay fuck it
No I had gotten that
I was always like
Hey that's a good thing
Hell yeah
Good good
I was happy about that
You're a hotter version
You're a much hotter version of him
You should do Freaky Friday
It's the face tattoos
Freaky Friday 2
And you guys switch bodies
I thought about
I thought about making
An entire album of Freaky Friday
Same beat
12 straight times
12 different body switches
Whatever
I mean I think a couple
I'm so done
I'm done
Wait
Do you ever get shit
When you have the braids
I never even thought about it
Really
I didn't even
I mean
Well now you're gonna think about it
Well no I mean
When I first started braiding my hair
I never
I did
This guy's from
I don't give a fuck university
Am I right
Well hey
I can't fight with hair in my eyes
I just can't stand it
Yeah
Back was just
So when I started braiding my hair
I was like
To kind of get it out of my eyes
Then I felt like I transformed
My hair is braided
Yeah
I feel like sugar
I feel like a superhero
I feel extra fast
My head
Yeah yeah yeah
Feel faster
So you go out there
Yeah
Ready to get punched
Well
I
My main goal in a fight
Is not to
Yeah I guess that makes sense
So inevitable
It's
There's been times
I've had a lot of fights
Where I've been able to
Get out of there unscathed
Never get punched
I thought that was the whole thing
In some fights
I mean
The whole thing is like
Hit and not get hit
Some people
Are kind of like
Oh I like getting hit
I don't mind getting hit
I fucking hate getting hit
I don't want to get hit
Did you fight a lot as a kid
No
Football
Basketball
Soccer
Baseball
From when I was like
Three or four years old
All the way up to high school
Yeah
Turned sixteen
Hated school
Had to get good grades
To play like basketball
Football
School sports
Hated school
My buddy's like
You want to check out
This fighting gym
I'm like
That sounds cool
How old
I was sixteen
I was super insecure
My sophomore year I think
And I was like
Well
Literally I was like
One of the first things
That crossed my mind
I'm like
Girls will think that's cool
Like that was like
And you were getting zero girls
I got a couple
You got some
You got some
Some of my prime years
Were high school
You got some
There were threes and fours
Yeah
Had you ever gotten in a fist fight
Before going to the
No
We never even got
Okay
I didn't even think of fighting
As fighting
Yeah
I thought of fighting as a sport
I thought of it as like
You know
Like I want to fucking kill people
Yeah yeah yeah
Never liked that for me
Interesting
So you get there
And on your first time going there
Was it like
Instantly they were like
Whoa
That guy's got something
So when I was sixteen
Seventeen years old
I was like
Kickboxing with these guys
I was
Athletically
I was just more athletic
So I was naturally
Kind of better than these guys
I was beating up guys that sucked
Yeah
But in my mind
I got this confidence
I was like
Holy shit
I'm like
I'm good
Yeah
So I built this confidence
I built this confidence up
Came to Arizona
And got my ass kicked
Literally for like
I flew down for two weeks
Every practice I would cry
I was eighteen years old
You would cry
Cry after practice
I was the man in Montana
I would come to
I came to Arizona
Got my ass kicked
Every single practice
When you were crying
Were you crying out of pain
Or were you
Like physical pain
Or were you like
Crying out of fear
That you actually weren't able to
It wasn't
It wasn't
There was times
Where I had like concussions
And it was physical pain
Yeah
Like concussions are terrifying
Like if you've had a bad concussion
And you would just want
To be pitch black
You don't want to see any light
Yeah
Like if I had bad concussions
And
But a lot of the crying
Was early on
Was
Like I don't have a plan B
Yeah
Oh wow
I do not want to
I don't like school
Like I'm not going back to school
I want to be an athlete
And thankfully
At UFC
MMA
Boxing
Like there's weight classes
So I can
You know
I can't be in the NFL
I can't be in the NBA
I'm just not skilled
And I'm not big enough
That's just not realistic
I was able to you know
I was able to like
Back to the gym tomorrow
Back to the gym tomorrow
Two a day
Back to the gym in the morning
Go home
Take a nap
Jack off
Go to sleep
I know that routine
Yeah
Yeah
A warrior's spirit
A warrior's routine
So
Do you
Like if you get a fight coming up
Do you jack off
He does have a fight coming up
Not the wipe I do
No no
Oh yeah
I know
I love that you asked this though
I know that yeah
So I have two answers
Two answers for your jack off question
Yeah
I haven't jacked off
In a year and a half
Put a pound on her
But
In camp now
I'm
I tell her I said
I said you get two
Nuts out of me
A week right now
Yeah
In camp
You get a Wednesday nut
And a Saturday nut
Why
Cause I spar Wednesday
I need my chi
I need my energy
Yeah
Oh
Remember what Kevin Gates said
It's
You really feel like
If you release
It impacts your game
Oh yeah
I mean
I think it's scientific
Well if you can let your chi build up
And
You know Kevin Gates
Is fucking actually
Had him on
It's amazing
Yeah it's incredible
Why don't you tell Kristen about chi
No I'm just
I can't believe it's
Cause you know as a girl
Sometimes you get bullied
Into the whole like
Blue balls can't focus thing
Nat Dave doesn't do that
I just feel like
You hear that so often
Blue balls is different
Blue balls is like
Tempting a man
Up until he's about to come
And then walking away
This is just like
Not even engaging
Those are horrible
To keep the energy
To keep the focus
So you only
You only come twice a week
In camp yeah
In camp
A lot of athletes are like this
I think
I would say
I bet if you asked
A lot of people
That probably don't
Think of it as
I mean
It is scientific
I think you said it
I think it is
Real keeping your chi
Yeah
If I fucking
Jacked off this morning
I'd probably just be like
Nah I'm gonna kind of
Chill out a little bit
You held off for us
Well and I
I haven't
December 2024
I was going through
A bunch of
I have a wife
Got a couple kids
And we were going through
Some issues
And it was me
Just I'm fucking
To be a fighter
You gotta be a little crazy
Anyway right
Yeah
"I was having issues"
December 2024
I take these mushrooms
I have this
This
I'm like okay
I need to
I got off social media
Haven't been on social media
Good for you
In a year
Since December 2024
Got off social media
Quit Jaying off
And
It's really changed my life
That's great
The social media thing though
It's like
Tell us
You just see
For me it was
It's like you just
I
I get normal levels of horny
Throughout like life
But when I'm on social media
You see all the girls
And it
And it
I
It's my biggest weakness
And it's like
I can't help it
I'm
What does it make you think?
Like you just think
These girls are all so hot
That you just have to drive
Bury them.
Bury my three inches deep in them.
Three?
Small dick?
No, it's decent.
I mean, ours are all probably the same size.
Look at her hair.
I don't know.
I've only seen one.
I don't know about that.
Well, he says things like bury them, but he also said three inches, but I'm sure I have the smallest dick.
Yeah.
But you have the best.
I do.
I have the best of all three.
For her.
For her, and that's all that matters.
Everyone's different.
So you were impacted sexually by seeing all of them.
Well, and just social media in a whole, and I have two kids now, and I just, I don't want to be, like, if you see someone just kind of like surfing, like, if I see someone just surfing, I'm like, I don't want to just be doing that.
I'd rather, you know, I still watch you.
I don't have Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, Facebook.
I have someone that runs all my stuff.
Yeah.
I watch YouTube, and I still even almost feel guilty doing that.
Yeah.
If I catch myself just watching, I'm like.
Fuck, I don't even.
I'm trying to be, and I'm far from it, but I'm trying to just be more present.
Damn.
Like, just try, and I think social media is being off that.
How old are your kids?
Five, and he turns, my little dude turns one this month.
Two boys?
A girl and a boy, yeah.
How's it feel?
It's, dude, it's the best.
You guys don't have any kids?
No.
Not yet, no.
Not yet?
Not yet.
Not yet.
Someday soon.
I'm trying to start an army.
Yeah, that's what I want to do.
I want an army, but if kids are the best, it's the coolest.
I've known I want it.
I remember breaking up with a girl when I was in seventh grade, because she didn't want
kids.
Really?
Wow.
Not going to work.
Not going to work.
Amazing.
I've known I wanted kids for a long time.
And how is it?
Tell us about it.
It's the best, dude.
It's the best.
Little Mateo, like, he's got his two teeth right here, two teeth popping in the top,
like, and it's just, it's so, watching them baby breastfeed, too, there's just something
about that.
It's just so fucking cute.
It's cool.
And, like, he'll be over there, and Danny will be like, Mateo, and, like, show him your
boob.
And he'll be like, I'm fucking split, like, crawling fast, and I'm flat on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But having the right baby mama, having the right partner to raise kids is so, like, I'm
so thankful I didn't knock up some random, like, girl.
Oh, my God.
I would be, like, miserable.
Are you, I mean, she's got to be a ride or die, because she's stuck with you through
your troubles and stuff.
I put her through a lot.
She's the best.
I put her through hell.
And you're, like, and you're, like, now you're, like, repainting.
You're doing, like, everything you can to, yeah.
I'm doing my best.
Does she get nervous when you fight?
She actually doesn't really get nervous.
She watches me train, and I think there's this confidence she gets from watching me
put in the work to where, like, my mom and dad get so nervous, because they're never,
ever, ever in the gym watching me.
They've never seen what I do.
Yeah.
To where she watches, she watches me spar, she watches me train, and she, so she, like,
at the fight can, like, breathe.
Yeah.
And she's watched me win, she's watched me lose, and she's good through it all.
So, like, what's going on right now?
Are you, like, dieting?
Are you?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
You are.
Yeah, so right now I'm 16.
I weigh 160.
I weigh 160.
What do you have to weigh for the fight?
135.
Okay.
Which is insane.
This is my favorite thing.
Wait, you have to, sorry, you have to lose weight?
I'm 160 right now, and I have to weigh in at 135 the day before the fight.
I understand the strategy, but then how is it, like, 12 hours later?
It's, like, 32 hours or something like that.
What do you mean by 32?
They have to fight.
You have to get all your energy back.
Yeah.
I'll go from 135, I'll weigh in at 135, and then by the time I get in the octagon, I'm
about 152, 153.
Yeah.
They don't even re-weigh them right before.
He has, like, 32 hours.
Wait, this doesn't make any, so someone should work on this.
Someone should fix this.
No, no.
Explain, so just tell her, I just want you to break down to her what the process is that
week leading up to it.
Okay, okay.
So I'll start at 160, where I'm at right now.
I'm going to lose 10 pounds from dieting, which is horrible because I have to train
extremely hard.
Yeah.
And I have to burn more calories than I eat.
Typically right now, like, I'm going to be burning a lot of calories.
You get hungry, but you have to eat a little bit less than you burn.
So I'm going to go from 160 to 150 in the next five weeks.
And it's like science.
And it's, yeah, it's very, I have a nutritionist.
I weigh my food.
It's 160, 150.
That's not horrible.
That's not, like, the worst.
It's not great because you get, you know, a little bit hungry or whatever.
But do you feel the calorie, like, deficit?
Yes, yes, yes.
Oh, man.
But from 150 to 135 fight week is where, you know, you're water loading, you're drinking
two gallons of water for four or five days straight, and then you cut out salt on that
Wednesday before the weigh-ins.
So you basically, I'm going to go from 150 to 135 in, like, four days, roughly.
That's a sport within itself.
Yeah.
It is.
It's a science.
Let her.
Oh, it's horrible.
So tell her about what happens in the saunas and the baths.
Explain it to us.
Your body becomes like a machine to, like, be made into a heating all the things.
You literally feel like you're dying.
You can feel your heart, like, beating out of your chest.
It's, like, when you're on, when I'm actually on weight, it feels like death.
Do you dread that part of it more than even the fight?
Yes.
It's the worst part of the whole thing.
Does everybody feel that way?
Yes.
Yeah, remember when the dude was walking?
The dude was walking and just, like, passed out?
Yeah, it happened.
Like, what was that dude's name?
He was, like, the. That was recent, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I fought on that card.
He weighed in right before. I was in the back feeling like I'm dying, and he weighed in and passed out right before
I went and got on the scale.
It's, like, psychological warfare.
Why are they. Why are you guys being. Why are you guys putting yourselves. Why?
Because if I don't, I'm at the fight.
A disadvantage.
Is there a solution?
Is there a solution?
That's. Whoever comes up with a solution, there's people. There's, like, a company in Japan, like, 1FC, where they try to weigh you in, weigh you
out camp, and, like, you have to fight around that, and you can't gain, like, more than
10%.
They're trying stuff.
I have a solution.
Let's hear it.
Everybody gets weighed right before the fight.
Like, they. Yeah.
Like, they walk up to the arena, you know.
If they don't make weight, then the fight is ruined and they've lost.
I know it's a risky proposition.
It's risky, but it's not bad.
But then no one can. Then you're never going to be that weak going into it, because you have to get off that
scale and go fight the guy.
Not a bad idea.
So everyone just shows up exactly how they are.
They can be professional.
Maybe you make, like. A little bit of buffer.
I don't know how much buffer there is between, like, the weight you have to hit.
Maybe it's a pound extra buffer.
It's not a bad idea.
You know. Just weigh in right before you get in the octagon.
That would be risky, though.
For commercially.
It would be, but that's not a bad idea.
How often are people not making weight?
It's not too bad.
So I think my solution is a real solution.
I think it's not bad.
You should tell Dana.
I talked to him.
But I don't know.
I think. More, it's, like, so much more logical and of the spirit of what I think sports is, which
is, like. Competing at your highest level, at your highest performance.
If you're weighing the person to understand if it's a fair fight with the weight, it should
be, like, you have to walk in and fight when you're getting that actual number.
Maybe there's science behind it, because maybe people. Maybe there. Maybe if you did it right then, people would, like, do it last minute and then be weak when
they fought.
Because, like, don't you have. But then you would risk yourself.
Then you'd fucking get crushed.
You're about to fight at the White House, which has probably never happened before in
the history of America.
Tell us about that fight.
Yeah, I don't know how it came about.
Trump's been at multiple. Multiple of my fights.
Like, I've seen him.
He's had a lot of fights.
He's had. He's been at UFC fights for a long time, and I think he told Dana, let's do a fight at
the White House.
I don't know if he said it jokingly or whatever.
Dana. I don't know if he has known Dana.
I don't.
Intense.
Yeah.
He's the man.
He's such a cool motherfucker.
He's a great boss.
He's. He gets shit done.
Like, during COVID, when all the sports shut down, we were still fighting.
That's when I fought that kid when I knocked him out.
It was like. And no one was there.
Yeah.
So he was still letting athletes fight during COVID.
But he's the man.
He's. Trump said he wants to fight at the White House.
Dana's like, done.
We're making it happen.
And that was last year sometime, and now it's on Trump's birthday, June 14th.
It's Freedom 250, and. Oh, yeah.
250 years of America.
Are you the main event of this fight or not even?
No, no, no.
Ilya Teporia versus Justin Gaethje is the main event.
Massive fight.
But, yeah, very honored to be on it.
It's going to be legendary.
There's only seven fights on the card, which is usually there's 12.
There's only seven.
It's outside.
Yeah.
Have you ever fought outside like that?
Outside.
I have.
I fought outside when I was a young amateur, like 18, 19 years old in Montana.
That was the last time I fought outside.
Does that affect anything?
It definitely will if it rains.
But outside, other than that, I don't know.
What about the heat?
Isn't it going to be a hot summer day?
It probably will be humid.
Yeah, it's like. Are you preparing in saunas?
Are you guys, like, fighting in saunas?
No, but I do sauna, like, five times a week.
I love my sauna.
Yes, you can handle the heat.
It's great.
Wait, I have a question about the people you fight.
Okay.
Are you friends with any of them?
No.
Good question.
Never.
So, truly, like, in the history of fighting, can you ever be, like, friendly with them?
There's been friends that had to fight.
And for me, like, there's guys in the bantamweight division, the division I'm in.
I'm ranked number three.
Like, my buddy Mario is ranked number seven.
Like, there's guys in my division that, like, it's possible.
I mean, I feel like I'm in a position to where I'm like, I wouldn't really ever have to.
Do you avoid friendships because you don't even want to have that in your head when you're fighting these guys?
Not really.
Like, the chance. The chances of you two friends actually having to fight are very slim.
Interesting.
Like, it's not, like. I'm surprised.
Why aren't you guys all hanging out?
Because you guys all know. You all know of each other and. There's just so many gyms across the world, really.
Yeah.
Like, there's guys that live in Russia and Thailand.
Yeah.
Like, all over the world.
Have you been number one?
I was champ.
I was champ, defended the belt.
So, you've been. The highest level.
You've been number one.
So, is that, like. Yeah.
I'm number three right now.
I was number one August 2023.
I won the belt.
Defended it.
March 2024.
Lost it in June of last year.
How heartbreaking is it to lose the belt?
I mean, losing the belt sucked, but just losing in general.
It just fucking sucked.
Yeah.
Losing. It was horrible.
How many times have you lost?
Twice.
You've only lost. Yeah.
I mean, it depends.
Twice is the real answer, yes.
What's the controversy?
The other real answer.
Yeah.
So, my fourth UFC fight, I fought this. I fought Chido Vera.
He kicked this nerve on my knee right here.
It's like this. Weird little nerve.
Yeah.
And my foot went numb.
Yeah.
And, like, I literally kept rolling my ankle.
And it's. I hate watching it back.
Because I literally. My foot. I didn't have. God, I have a hole in my sock.
I didn't have this motion.
Yeah.
Because the nerve shut off.
So, every time I'd walk, I'd roll my ankle bad.
Yeah.
And, like, I went to punch.
Fell on my back.
He elbowed me in the head.
They stopped the fight.
Yeah.
I get why.
you don't count that as a loss and i and i always i kept saying this happened in 2000 um 2020 and i
kept saying i'm like i'm better than that motherfucker he got lucky blah blah first title
defense he wins a fight he gets the title shot i'm the champ at the time and we have the rematch
the biggest gate in miami history the massive sold-out arena huge fight yeah uh he's from
ecuador and like miami that that side it was it was a massive fight and i beat the fuck out of
him for 25 minutes and it felt so that was the only time i actually had like i want to hurt
someone i didn't like him yeah because of the first fight how it played out he was acting like
he was this man he beat me and you beat the shit out of so i don't count that as a loss but what
happened did you win that fight a 25 minute fight you beat the fuck out of him oh yeah were you so
happy it felt so good and was it like electric it was like a four-year build-up of me saying
that motherfucker got lucky i'm better than him and people are like why don't you have a rematch
i'm like he doesn't deserve the he won i'm like he doesn't deserve a rematch like he i didn't
like how he was acting he was acting like he beat me like he was the man like you got lucky you
just like and i beat the oh dude it was the craziest knee i'm i'm on me i saw your knee to
what when you what head chin when you stood up just now i heard both your knees crack is that
gonna be an issue okay i'm gonna show you all that you hear that but isn't there something
or even if you're defending yourself did his face concave did it all wow you look so cool
oh oh my god just watch it this is the guy that i can't why that's brutal
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to get punched in the face, and that's kind of true.
But there's game plans you want to stick to.
Certain styles match up against different people.
I've had so many fights in the UFC,
and this guy I'm fighting has had so many fights in the UFC.
You can watch enough film that you get. People have patterns.
People do certain things.
So there's game plans you can make
according to how people fight.
Are some people known as great game planners,
and that's their thing,
where some people are just great tough guys
and they can't get knocked down?
Yeah.
What's the. Is anyone known for their knee?
Like, that guy's got the boniest knee,
and if you get hit by him, you're done?
I'm sure you guys saw Jorge Masvidal
when he knocked out Ben Askren.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was a three-second fight.
Yeah.
It was like, literally, five, he ran.
That's a legendary knee that's. Now, have you ever gotten, like,
hit in the face, and you're, like, in the ring,
and you just rocked your world,
and you're just like, oh, my God.
And it's, like, early in the fight,
and you're like, how am I gonna, like, do. What's the feeling in your head
when you just got rocked like that,
you're still up, and the guy's coming at you?
What's going through your head?
There is. So that Peter Yan, the guy that's the champ right now,
when I fought him in Abu Dhabi in the second round,
I came out, boom, cracked him hard,
rocked him, hit him with the right hand,
dropped him, fast-forward, like, 45 seconds.
We're both standing there,
and he hits me with a left hand,
and you literally see, it's right on the chin,
you see my head completely, like,
turn all the way around.
Yeah.
And it was. That was probably the hardest I've been hit,
but it didn't hurt in a sense.
When you think back to this moment. I don't even understand why I don't cry.
When you think back to this moment,
it's a good question how you not cry.
When you think back to this moment,
is it, like, a flash, the way, like,
if I drank a little and I woke up the next day
and I don't remember a certain thing?
Like, are you able to actually remember
the moment specifically or not really?
It's pretty blurry.
Yeah.
It's very blurry.
Yeah.
If me and Dave stood up right now,
like, and, like, punched the air,
would you be able to tell, like,
who a better fighter was or no?
Not really.
No, probably not.
No, because that doesn't. Sometimes it comes down to who's got more heart.
Okay.
Oh.
Okay, okay, you go first.
We get one. No, no, no, no, you get to do. Can you do a little dance?
Oh, yeah, 10 seconds.
Okay, okay.
I'm gonna do it, too.
So, your southpaw,
are you right-handed or left-handed?
Can you see?
Okay.
Ooh.
Not bad.
Decent.
Wow.
Oh, shit.
That's good.
Decent footwork.
What?
Damn.
That's not bad.
Okay, that's why I. It was semi-slow until you. But when the right hook was decent. I saw a fast twitch.
I saw the fast twitch.
I almost fainted.
I want Kristen. I want Kristen, too, after.
You fainted.
Okay, okay.
Did it feel like. Was it hard?
I was. I'm not. Are you tired?
So, I'm gonna stand.
I was just stressed.
You're a southpaw, too.
I am?
Yeah.
I'm southpaw.
Lefty on lefty.
He was, too.
Okay, so. Oh.
Wow.
Okay.
You're more a little Mike Tyson style.
Whoa.
Okay, that wasn't bad.
Okay, now. I'm more jujitsu or whatever, you know?
More just martial. You're more of a long fighter.
He was more of, like, a Mike Tyson.
All right, let's see.
What?
Oh, no.
Damn.
That's not terrible.
She looked terrible.
I mean, the. Okay, okay.
There was. There was no left hand.
There was only right hand.
At least we know we're in a higher. We know we're, like. See, now. It was all one. Now, I will tell you one thing.
Like, that made me tired.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That got me tired.
Me, too.
How many seconds was that?
About five.
Okay.
It didn't make me sweat.
How long. Like, Chuck, I'm actually, like. Like, my arms are tired right now.
It's the most exhausting sport in the world.
Are your arms tired?
When I took boxing once,
here's the thing I really did like,
is, like, you are. It's like. There's, like, a core. Well, it's not the same.
It's boxing the same.
No, you're doing a lesson
where you're, like, lean left, hit, lean right.
Yeah, I loved it.
It was, like, you just. He's doing. Boxing cardio?
Yeah.
Like, a workout, boxing workout?
Well, it was actually in a boxing gym.
Yeah, a lot of people do. They don't fight,
or they don't, you know, want to fight,
but they do workouts for boxing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's so exhausting.
Yeah, I'm so tired to sit down.
I got two things to sit down.
One thing is, like, you, like. So, like, right now,
just, like, looking at you,
you look like just, like. A bitch.
No, no, you look like. Kind of.
Just like a normal dude.
Like, you don't have, like,
the biggest. Like, your trainer, like,
I'm like, whoa, that guy's huge.
But, like, you have, like,
a normal arm.
Like, so what. So it doesn't. The big guy, it doesn't. Well, there's a whole. You know, there's different weight classes.
No, no, no, I'm aware,
but, like, you're not, like,
the most, like, cut-off guy.
I'm fast as fuck.
Yeah, like, do you have, like,
a six-pack or something?
No, I'm just fast.
I'm really fast.
Can you punch the air?
I just got to watch you.
I mean, you put me on the spot.
Yeah, yeah, I just. You don't have tennis on you?
Well, punch me in the face.
Sometimes I pick a ball.
Oh.
Now, if. If. If you. If I stood up, like, right here,
and you, like. What are you most known for,
your kick or your punch?
I would say most known for
right hand knock people out.
So, like. I knew that about you.
Yeah.
As a peripheral fan,
I knew that about you.
So, like, right now, like. I have pretty big hands, too.
Like, I'm pretty good. Yeah, I noticed it
when you came in.
They're big hands.
Oh, my God.
You're a freak.
Yeah, I have pretty big hands.
Yeah, why are they so big
for your sense?
Just for knock people out.
Yeah.
Me.
Yeah.
Now, now. Wait, let me see.
So, my thing is. I think you have pretty big hands.
I do?
Like, right now. Right now, if you. If you, like,
punched me in the face,
like, hot. Like, full punch. Yeah, you're. Would you die?
Am I dead?
No.
Do I. The thing. The thing, like,
if you knew I was gonna punch you,
it probably wouldn't be as bad as. You know, the punch you get hit
is when you don't know.
If you punched me, I would die.
I don't know if I could kill someone
with a punch.
What do you mean?
You're making a grown man snore.
I think Francis Ngannou. You guys know Francis Ngannou?
I think he would kill somebody.
Yeah, because he's huge.
Let me just. So, don't punch me.
But I just want to see. No, no, no.
I just want to see, like,
what it's like.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
Even like that.
Even that little moment.
Give me the small moment.
It rocked me a little.
Oof.
No, but sometimes, like,
it's like these shots right here.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I feel it.
Let me do that to you.
It's like, you kind of like,
when you get hit up here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Already.
Do it to her.
I don't want to do that.
No, no.
I really don't want to do that.
If you did that,
that's a weird spot to get hit.
What percentage?
So, that's zero percent?
I have a bony head.
I feel like we're doing it to her.
If you did that to me,
I think at 15%,
I might. You'd die.
I'd have to, like, lay down.
The weirdest ones
are the liver shots.
Getting hit in the body.
Oh, yeah.
Ryan Garcia.
I was at that fight.
Dude, I was at the fight
when Ryan Garcia got that.
Wait, so show me that
for a little time.
It shuts you down.
Oh, my God.
Do you think if I was like,
look, I'm going to give it all up
and train as hard as I can
for the next, like, two years
at 36,
I'm kind of athletic sometimes.
I mean, that was a bad display.
I'm not really sure of the technique.
I'll say this.
If you took jiu-jitsu,
straight jiu-jitsu,
where jiu-jitsu is, like,
kind of like on the ground
where you can submit people
and you can choke people.
Yeah.
You took jiu-jitsu for two years,
took it dead serious,
and he didn't do anything.
I could beat him up?
You would be able to beat him up.
Well, the girls are getting good.
Like, they're below the guys' ish.
Like, nowadays,
the girls are fucking so good.
Maybe this is a totally
inappropriate question.
If there was a girl
who was the best girl
who was in a much heavier
weight class than you,
do you have a shot?
Yes.
Yeah, you'll win.
I'd still win.
It's just, like,
the difference between. Yeah, well, it's just. yeah so wait girls too yeah these girls get fucking the girls don't really knock each other
out too much either so it's almost more brutal yeah because they just fucking hit each other
do you probably really quick too do you think if if if if i trained for like a year and i like
went under your guys tutelage like do you think there's a world where like we're like i'm like
fucking a dude up in the street 100 it doesn't take if you it depends how your level of commitment
if you're going to the gym twice a day for a year that's a day twice a day i mean that's what it
takes like to get good i mean like i mean like i'm going like three times a week if you did three
times a week for a year you could get good yeah 100 a day fucking out of your mind that was crazy
twice a day twice a day i'd be i'd be dead yeah but all that all that training can't get him
courage yeah
there's something that takes courage there's so do you i do not have good courage not in fighting
but you have good life courage that i think could transfer zero percent fight courage never been in
a fight never could imagine it i can't have you ever been in a fight outside the ring no never
no but the same way i couldn't grab a mic and i hate i wish i could sing i wish i could perform
i wish i could rap i wish i could i guess i have courage there i could not even stand in front of
a crowd with a microphone but you're not nervous at all when you go butt naked almost an octagon
i hate that i always think when i watch these fighters fight because i used to have such bad
body acne and i was like 32 years old and i always thought oh my god i would be so exposed
yes like yeah i used to do concerts and i would have to wear i wore baseball jerseys because i
could show a little bit of skin without having to see my back and sometimes a crowd would chant
take it off take it off do some do some some yeah yeah some people do some people do any guys wear
body makeup i don't think so okay maybe when you're in there you don't give off you don't get
like spray tan you sweat it all off have you ever gotten hit in the nuts you wear a cup i have been
hitting the nuts and it's getting hit in the nuts is horrible i'm sure you even with the cup even
with the cup like what it's illegal no you can't hit in the nuts you can't i gouge you can't put
your you know can't fish hook yeah no thumbs in the butt no i don't know if a thumb in the butt
is a rule very frowned i don't know if it is it's probably frowned upon no licking no biting no
licking no biting no spitting like here's what i would do okay here's here's my thing i'm coming in
around like no i'm coming in like and i'm and i'm i'm stinking like shit okay like i've been asked
this before is that a benefit is there a benefit to stink like shit i wonder if you'd want if they
want to beat the fuck out of you more yeah really yeah you can't get beat by some of that stink
though yeah and you also they're not like they're so in the zone you probably can't even smell
now is it do is it to your advantage like if you're like really a sweaty guy and the punches
like fly off i mean more so in the wrestling grappling department
but striking not as much sweaty i don't i sweat i would say average amount you ever had a headache
before entering it oh i've had i've been fucked i've a lot of fights i've had injuries really
and you just have to take a shit or something you're like no my stomach just feels not like
as good as i wanted reflex a little bit there's during a multiple times like oh no and again it's
the rehab like cutting all that weight it's so crazy on your body and the rehydration it's like
it fucks your body up so there's been times where you're saying oh god i don't feel great but you
get a surge of adrenaline like when you like step out i uh i feel like adrenaline in the octagon a
little bit but not too much like i'm pretty calm like if you watch my fights my watch my walkouts
i'm very i kind of have this you're in the zone demeanor it's like yeah i'm pretty now after the
fight you you just won what are you doing after the i love a shower after i win oh i just smile
so it's the shot it's the shot after fights after wins chat the lose lost showers or not they're just
like sit on the ground yeah yeah they suck but at the after the wind what are you doing oh i talked
myself like we did it looking in the mirror are you watching are you like are you like even washing
yourself or no you're just showering i'm because you know it's a little bit so because after you
go to the club after you know yeah so you are you just like i'm the man oh yeah you feel dude after
a win you make a you make a fuck ton of money you just want to fight you've been training for for
eight weeks yeah yeah
and it's all over the sense of relief yeah it probably feels like it after like a concert or
something like just way more way more it's like everything so do you have sex that night or no
oh hopefully with lots of sex really you're not too tired no for sex yeah he's been he's got he's
been on a regimen you guys want to sit on the couch yeah floyd's a boxer right yes he's a boxer
he's never lost he's never lost never lost would you ever fight floyd mayweather oh 100 i would i
mean boxer fight well there's boxing he's even though he's like fucking 50 he's still so good
he's still because is he is he here is he your same weight class he's a little more he's probably
the same he's pretty short but we're probably like i'm i'm super skinny speaking of sports
and random sports even though it's not that random every four years you know we got big
soccer matches uh i think it's okay to call them matches uh and what i like to do is i like to go
on fan duel predicts app and just predict the outcome and win uh obviously
i'm from america i'm american made and usa has paraguay coming up so i i don't know if i'm just
being naive or or if i'm that big of a patriot but i think we're gonna win that's my prediction
so i'm gonna go on fan duel app i'm gonna make this fan duel prediction i stand to win these
are real stakes and this is real life i'm gonna win and so is america but you can't you can't you
couldn't be boxers could you at a certain level i could yeah i i came from kick
boxing boxing my background's more of a box yeah but like you would destroy floy mayweather in a
fight yeah like ufc like you like within a couple minutes yeah yeah he couldn't but in it but in
boxing like he'd still probably take you it'd be interesting he's getting older yeah you know what
i mean you ever get scared like are you ever at home and you hear like a sound and you think oh
no yes because i have kids okay but you know you could just beat anybody up not if they have a gun
yeah guns so you could kick the gun out before they could even yeah oh i got multiple guns yeah
i got i got yeah
but you still get scared yeah more so have you ever walked down the street and been like that
man is huge i'm scared of him not really i've never had issues outside like yeah if i ever
went to a club or something i've never had issues everyone's pretty nice yeah for the most part yeah
no one's gonna want to press him i feel like drunk people would come up to you all the time
and be like can i i've had it like once or twice i feel like i'm like i just avoid it i don't like
i'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more with you because you're so well known guys get
drunk yeah and and you're just not physically that big so there's probably a lot of big yeah
a lot of big dudes i'm surprised it doesn't happen as much either i'd like to think when i get if i do
i don't drink that often rare very rarely but if i do i feel i'm just like i want to hug you
let's go like you can't it's like you if a guy like no normal person can beat you up a normal
person like no it's not trained yeah like like if there's a dude even like an nba player that's
not trained like if a guy's like 6'6 and like he's like an nba player like he can't beat you up
it'd be interesting i mean they're they're
they would get tired i talked to ryan i asked ryan because we were with ryan and he was talking
about jimmy butler and he's like yeah he's like i'd beat this shit he's like he's like there's
he said there's a certain point when weight becomes an issue he said like shack would be hard
but he's like honestly he said it wouldn't be that hard he's like because as long as you can
he said he said what he would do is he was like i would just defend myself because any guy unless
you're a trained fighter you're getting tired very quick yeah well ryan ryan can't fight he can box
yeah oh a question so you see a guy like wiz khalifa yeah okay and he does what's he doing
yeah he's he's training is it mma it looks like he's doing i'm not i know he's hitting
kicking and stuff so like training so like a guy like that if you like spar with him like and
you're going like like 25 percent or how people go in as well will he be able to like do it with
you without getting like incredibly hurt if i didn't want to hurt him i wouldn't yeah yeah like
if he like could you go at 25 percent and he's in it's like like he's usually like he's like he's
you wanted to hurt him at 25 he's basically saying it's a ridiculous 25 percent of you
no i was just wondering like pickleball is a sport where when when if someone walks on
they can play almost with anyone immediately like i'm saying if somebody starts training
and they've been training for a little while and they get in can they like do a spar thing and not
trying to i'm not saying they're gonna beat you but are they like are will they be capable enough
to like do something that's like fun for everyone yeah
yeah i think so yeah i mean that's all i wanted i'm not a violent person in any way i never have
any like desire to be violent but i do have this fantasy of being in a situation in life where
somebody is in the wrong and we're like in a street when i envision it i like this and i i i
just slap the man across the face as hard as i can and and people see it and everyone is so happy
that i slapped him it's so justified and i walk away he doesn't do anything and that's it it's a
hero moment yeah there's a slap slap was so not convincing i think yeah slapping someone's not
as i feel like illegal like if i wanted to punch someone like it'd probably fall but if i slap
someone he's like you're a bitch but on the note of illegal remember how i asked you if you're like
if i do it it's illegal but there aren't like boxers have to have their you know registered
or is that just a mess i would assume that's there's some truth to it that like if you're an
ath a professional fighter you're not a professional fighter you're not a professional fighter you're not
a professional fighter that you're considered a weapon or something basically if he got in a fight
in a street fight and he didn't ask for it but he got in the fight and he knocked the guy out
boom even though it was self-defense and the guy actually died oh
He might have worse litigious situation.
You're held, like you're not supposed to.
Because his hands are maybe a deadly weapon.
Yeah.
I don't know if it applies to you.
I remember hearing that.
It's funny.
I remember hearing that like when I was like 16, 17 years old when I first started training.
They're like, oh, no, you can't get in street fights because you're considered a weapon.
I'm like, I remember hearing that and there's probably some truth to it.
Because you just don't, it's hard to draw the line of like what's going to win me this fight
versus knock this guy out versus accidentally kill this man.
The thing about being so high level though is like if I got in a street fight, I wouldn't punch somebody.
I might hit him in the body.
I might hit him with a liver shot where they just crumble.
Or I'd realistically take someone down and put them in a submission kind of to where they're defend,
take their back, choke them, say, who's your daddy?
Who's your daddy?
And then they basically say that.
What's the best thing we could do if we got into a fight?
Like what's our, hit them in the balls, right?
Submission, submission.
Balls, I mean, I just, I'm all, I, if you, I would, I just need to learn jujitsu.
Everyone, I don't know.
Do you do jujitsu?
Yeah, I do jujitsu.
I do jujitsu.
Jujitsu is the best, like my daughter's in jujitsu.
She's five.
What is jujitsu?
Giselle does jujitsu.
Jujitsu's, Giselle, who's that?
Giselle.
Tom Brady's ex-wife.
Okay, that's how she met her, her mom, Brady.
I loved her.
If I, if I walked behind you and you had no idea.
Oh, wow.
And I put you.
I'd go like this.
No, don't do anything.
That's what I'd do intentionally.
I'd go like this and cover my neck and grab your arm.
So you can't choke me.
You know how like there are like races.
Well, they're like this all the time.
Like when you go on a race and like a fast burner might give a guy a head start and still win the race.
If you gave me the head start of choking you as hard as I can, would you have no doubt that you'd still end up in top in like five seconds?
You guys look cute.
It's like a nice, it looks like.
I just saw him in that moment.
I just saw you switch and your eyes, you were going like this.
You were like, and you were looking around.
Were you like assessing the situation?
I mean, instantly if someone were to like touch, first thing you're doing is grabbing the hand on the neck.
Because you need this arm to choke me.
That was the first thing I would do is grab that hand.
Even me?
What should she do?
Would I do that?
What should she do if a man comes up and were to try something?
What's the first thing she should do?
Elbow to the nuts, probably.
Yeah.
Like if possible.
Well, if he comes up like behind you, like kind of grab you.
I mean, I would, whatever where he's at, hit him in the nuts.
And that would be like probably the number one thing.
But.
I have to hit really hard.
I mean, that's not a good situation.
But if you had a blue belt, if you did jujitsu for two years, I would be very confident that you would be able to submit like an average size male.
Yeah, but what if I have a box cutter?
Wow.
Box cutter would be nice.
I think I might have a box cutter.
What is jujitsu?
It's submission.
So like what's it look like?
What do I?
So if we were doing jujitsu, we would just like kind of slap hands.
And then we would like, we'd go live.
So basically I would try to take you down or you would try to take me down.
Oh, is this the one where you go like this?
Or no, that's more wrestling.
It's wrestling, but with submission.
So if I grabbed your head right to this, for instance, I would grab you and I'd choke you like that.
Oh my God, that hurt.
When you say submission, you just mean someone's got to submit?
Someone's tap out.
Yeah, I give up, I lose.
But what if that person doesn't want to give up?
Then you choke them out and unconsciously go, okay.
And the ref goes, the ref goes.
You know, instantly when he did that, I feel a soreness right here.
So if you're like.
He chokes.
And so jujitsu is the best form of like self-defense.
Yes, 100%.
Have you been just chomping at the bit to get that belt back?
It's been, so I lost the belt and then I fought for it again.
I fought the same guy at a rematch.
He beat me again.
What's this man's name?
Merab.
And he's a nice guy.
He's from Georgia.
His fucking nose is Duvalish Willie.
Okay, keep going.
He's a Georgian guy.
I fought him.
The first fight was a close fight.
I, it was a very close fight.
I almost, I almost, I hit him in the body in the fifth round.
In the title fight, you fight for 25 minutes.
There's five, five minute rounds.
At the end of the fifth round, I was hitting him in the body shot.
He's running around the cage.
He's like, I almost got him out of there.
You almost had him.
Lost a decision.
Had a rematch with, so that fight, I went into the fight with a torn labrum in my hip.
I literally had surgery scheduled for the week after the fight.
Because I fought, I had a torn labrum in my hip.
Got surgery.
Recovered for surgery.
Fought him again.
The timing was, I was so antsy and I wanted to get back so bad.
And it was just like, I got, I rushed myself.
Yeah.
And he, he, he defended the belt.
He fought another really, really tough guy.
So he's active.
He's training.
He's winning fights.
I booked the second fight with him and he actually choked me.
I tapped out.
He, and that sucked.
Do you think you can beat him?
Yes.
I know I can beat him.
But are you just like, you know, restless until you're back on top?
Are you, like, does that mindset just take over your, like, for me, I'm just like, until
I prove myself and all these things, like, I can't rest.
Are you, or do you feel like you've already proved yourself one time, you were at the
top, and now everything else is kind of icing?
Yeah.
That's a great question.
And it is a little bit of both.
There's, like, I wanted, like, I just fought in January.
I was coming off the two losses in a row.
And I'd never come off two losses in a row.
And there was this, like, desire.
I'm like, I have to fucking get a win.
Like, I was associating too much with, like, being a fighter.
But I also, I feel like, understand that happiness is a skill.
And it's, like, what I let my brain think of.
And, like, if I'm constantly just, like, dwelling on that, I definitely feel anxious.
I'm like, or if I'm like, okay, be grateful for what I already have.
Be grateful for where I'm at.
I haven't fucking just built a crazy house.
I have these kids.
I'm married.
Like, life's good.
Like, I can be in that mindset.
I'm more, I'm definitely more at peace.
But it's, like, it switches throughout days, weeks.
It's, like, I need to get that win back.
So it's kind of both.
Are you projecting, like, you know, because you're a professional athlete.
There's a shelf life of an age.
Yeah, absolutely.
So are you always thinking about, what am I going to do when I'm 40 and up?
Absolutely.
And, like, thinking about just, obviously, you've built a brand.
Like, when do you stop?
Like, when do most people stop?
I'm 31 right now.
I could literally fight.
Like, there's, Daniel Cormier won the heavyweight belt when he was 39 or 40.
But that's young, or no?
No.
That's old.
That's very old for fighting.
Like, fighting is a young man's sport.
Like, 25, 26.
Like, these killers are coming up, and they're getting better younger.
Yeah.
So I'm 31 right now.
And it's so hard to say, like, where it is.
I could have one more fight.
I could have two more fights.
I could have 10 more fights.
Yeah.
Like, I really don't know.
It depends on how my body feels.
But you're not really thinking about it.
Like, you're going in, like, you're taking each fight as it comes.
Each fight at a time.
But there is thought.
It's like, okay, like, how, like, this training's brutal.
Training camp's brutal.
Cutting weight is horrible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't have to fight anymore.
I do it because I love it.
And I was watching this Conor McGregor documentary last night.
I was actually watching a little bit of it this morning for inspiration, motivation.
Like, Conor always is, like, I feel like I'm so lucky because I've been in the sport.
I watched Conor from when he got into the UFC to where he's at now.
Watched his rise.
And I get this, like, and I was watching him just at the weigh-ins for when he fought Jose Aldo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sold out arena in Vegas.
And it's like, I still crave that.
I still want that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I still.
Of course.
Yeah.
Of course.
So it's still there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I get it.
It happens.
Yeah.
Everyone gets, you know, that feeling.
It never goes away.
I hope it does.
Eventually.
No.
Yeah.
You'll probably get to a place where you're like, you know, it's like I still have it in me, but it might not be.
Like, it might balance out a little bit.
I know when my speed, because my speed is really what I.
Yeah.
My number one attribute.
And, like, if my speed kind of starts coming down, like, that's when I need to exit the game.
Yeah.
But we have such a cool gym.
Tim owns the gym.
It's 20 minutes from our house.
We have a bunch of up-and-coming fighters.
Like, I still feel like.
This is in Montana.
In Arizona.
Arizona.
Arizona, yeah.
So, I still feel like I have a lot to give back to the MMA community in that sense and help build up these young fighters.
Yeah.
And I'll be around the sport, but I'm also obsessed with pickleball right now.
I'm like, bro, I'm building a.
I bet you're good.
Are you good?
I'm decent for not playing very long.
Yeah.
I'm building a pickleball court at my house now.
I got a guy coming out Monday to lay the pad.
Wow.
I'm obsessed with it.
It's so cool that we could play.
Yeah.
Like, I think, like, us together could beat you and your friend there.
Zero percent chance.
Why do you think that?
I think that's ridiculous.
I think there's a reasonable chance.
I think there's a very good chance both of us together would beat you and your trainer.
Why do you think you're better than pickleball?
Yeah, why do you think?
You guys, I can even answer that.
I know I am.
He's so athletic.
He's so quick.
He's got such good height.
No, no.
You guys are nuts.
You guys are decent at pickleball?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Where do you, I think we're.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
First off, you're talking to a two-year tennis captain.
Yeah.
Okay, that changes it.
Suburban Philadelphia.
Okay, that changes it a little bit.
My brother was a Division I tennis player.
I grew up in a tennis family.
Your brother?
Yeah.
I mean, that kind of helps.
I'm, I'm, I'm.
My dad is a cop.
I'm, I'm 100% sure, like, me and Dave together on a team.
Best of three?
Would beat most normal people.
I wish we had pickleball here, because he's not a normal person.
I know.
I'm not great at pickleball.
He's more normal than you think.
Let me put it into perspective for you.
I am.
My friend, my friend was 150th best tennis player in the world, okay?
He was a professional tennis player.
The best in the, those are the best people in the world.
Yeah, yeah.
He's 150 in the world.
He came and he played.
He came and he played pickleball with us and he, like, sucked.
And it's like, and then he, and then he, yeah, he wasn't, and then he became, he became good
and he's, like, a decent player.
No, he could be as good as you want him to be.
Oh, yeah, if you wanted to, he could be.
What paddle do you use?
Unbelievable.
I like, I like a, I like a one with a, I'm a thick boy.
A thick paddle?
Do you know, like, the brand?
Do you have, like, a specific brand?
No, no.
My friend has a company, so.
God, if you would have said a name, I would have been, oh, shit.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know the brands.
You're right.
I don't, I don't really know.
I just, I do think, I do think, I do think, though, that, like, I think we'd have good,
I think, I think you're thinking you're a lot better than what we are.
I just have had so many people come to, we own the pickleball courts.
We have four courts right next to our gym.
It's called the Pickle Dojo.
It's fucking dope.
Yeah.
And we've had so many people come in and be like, no, I'm good.
And then we play with them.
I'm like, bro, you just, you can barely hit over the net.
Like, I don't know why people think that.
No, that is not.
That's what I'm assuming.
That's because it's an early entry sport.
It's easy.
That is not, yeah.
It's not good, but we, like, yes, we play sport.
Like, I put, I work out four times a week and I play basketball.
Like, I might be a better overall athlete than you.
I believe it.
Overall.
Like, you're a better, obviously, fighter.
No, you're pretty good at basketball, aren't you?
I can ball.
Keep, you still hoop?
I can ball.
I don't hoop still, but I can ball.
I just want to see your handle a little.
Let me get the, where's the basketball?
What makes you think you're a better athlete than, like, a professional athlete?
Chuck, where's your, no, it's.
different. Where's your basketball, Jack?
Are you pretty quick? I'm in my room. He's good
at tennis. And basketball.
It's not my room. I have unbelievable hand-eye
coordination. I guarantee you you're better
at basketball than me, probably. I can ball.
But I bet you you're not a better shooter than me.
Like, you know what I mean? I know that you're
more athletic in every, like, combine
version. Just like a three-point shot? Yeah. I have a decent
shot, but I'm more of, like, a playmaker. I can
like, I'm a hustler, I'm a playmaker.
Seriously, you can get the ball on the thing.
See? I mean, it's like. You know what time
it is. It really comes around every
four years, and it keeps on coming.
I know what you're talking about. Soccer.
Or football.
Yep, but we're in America, and we're on Team USA,
and we've got a lot of countries to win.
Ooh, I'm not sure if that's who I would predict.
Really? What? Well, I don't know.
I'm going for Spain. I got a cousin from
Spain, so that's my place. Really? What about
France? And I love France, too.
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It's so interesting that you guys are best friends
and you both have OCD. Like, that must be
nice. It's nice that I have him and we have
each other, but it's a thing that is probably
annoying to deal with if we're being honest. Sometimes we
call each other out on it. Like, when
we're talking on FaceTime, if, like, one of us
hangs up prematurely,
we have to call the other one back.
Yeah, so sometimes we enable each other.
But I will tell you, it's cool
that this exists because
I remember, like, when I was younger,
like, going to my friends or my family about it, and
they think it's, like, a joke or
something. They don't really understand
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slash friends. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we know you can
do that. No, you can't. Yes, I can. Yeah, he actually
can. Yes, I can, cocksucker.
He actually can. Maybe not right now.
Well, is that a men's ball, though? Yeah. No, no, he'd
Yeah, he can. Do it
down. How's that? Why? Okay. Here you go,
cocksucker.
I don't know if I can. I don't know if I can do it.
Down's harder. Down's harder. Something's a little moist
today. You have huge hands. Okay, let me
just see him dribble. I mean, this is good enough. That's pretty good.
I just want to watch him dribble. This is good enough.
Give me the ball. Outside. Give me the ball. Check.
Do you want me to move the rug?
I got to watch him dribble. Should I move the rug? Okay.
I just got to see him.
Okay, okay.
Get out of here. No, no, no.
You could not get the ball from me.
You know how I know
you suck? The way you're dribbling is
crazy. You don't suck, but I just
got to say one thing.
No, you're a guy I don't want to play.
You're the guy I don't want to play because you don't know how to play
that well and you're too strong.
Let me tell you something. Look, first thing you're doing that I'm
seeing, you're lifting your leg up.
I don't need to. But you do.
Oh, I can if I want.
Just the way that it's. You're one of those guys.
No, it's just when the hands, when you're moving,
there's just a certain, like,
there's a certain thing people, when you
ball, there's just like a certain, it's a certain way
you just dribble it. So you can beat
me one-on-one? No. I'm not saying I can beat you.
You're so strong. No, I don't need,
I wouldn't need to use strength to win.
I'd have to see you're real.
You're probably such a good defender. Defender, offense,
anything. No, he's, honestly, I'll be honest with you.
I bet you, at this point, especially in my life,
the player that I am today, you have a better
impact on the game than me, for sure, all
around, defensively, the loose balls.
But just shooting. More than just shooting.
Offensively, I'm
just much better at offense. I would contribute to a team more.
Holistically. Offensively,
and probably clubhouse as well,
I would probably contribute a little more. I'm a
great leader. I hit all the big shots you
need me to hit. He's like a coach.
You're a better
shooting guard than point guard. Yeah.
Much better shooting guard. I'm a shooting guard. You're a lazy
defender, though. He's a very good,
my favorite team. That's how I know you're probably actually good at shooting.
My favorite is when we're on
the same team, and I get to be the point
guard, and he gets to be the shooting guard.
He's your favorite
shooting guard to have. When you're
playing a game, he's your favorite shooting guard
to have, because he can pass, but he can also
create a shot as well. Let me ask you a question.
You know how you play games up to 11?
Threes are worth two. Have you ever scored all
11 points in the game, the 5-on-5 game?
I've done that.
I've done that like four times, probably. Yeah, I mean, I can't
say that a half. And I'm not even that kind of player, but
it's very common in those games up to
11 that I'll have eight. I'll have six. I'll
never have just one.
I'm a really great scorer.
I'm so annoying on
defense. You just
hate me. I'm there. I
might do the thing when it's time to check the
ball, and I get off my man, and I'm just going
at the other guy. I'm very annoying.
Are there rules? Open the door. I'll
check it out. No, never mind.
Are there
rules
where, like, I remember
one time a basketball player in the NBA,
Jameer Nelson, came to my overnight camp, and he
couldn't really even play
because in his contract, he wasn't, like, are there
rules that prevent you from playing
pickup basketball or anything like that?
We're independent contractors, technically, so
we can really do whatever the fuck we want, other than
fight for different promotions. We could wrestle, we can
do jiu-jitsu, we cannot box for other promotions,
but we can ball, we can
skydive. There's nothing saying we can't.
Is there a fighters' union? No.
But do you feel like there desperately needs to be?
I don't even really know what that means. That means
that I think, and I don't even know either, but like
you're saying, we're independent contractors. You have guns for
hire right now, but all these other professional sports have
unions that really protect because it's
making so much money, and not to put Dana on
the spot. I hear things being talked about a little
bit here and there, and how it's just really behind
the eight ball about, yeah, so.
I'm lucky. I'm in the
1% of people that are actually making money,
so it's, and I feel, like, I
earned it. I got to where I'm at. I
fought for the 12 and 12, the 20 and 20.
I fought for those, like, to get to where I'm at.
But it's, like, it's hard.
I get UFC's perspective sometimes, too.
It's, like, these guys that are
their first fight in the UFC, they have,
like, no one knows who they are.
There's no one that's tuning into
the fight to watch them fight specifically,
and they want to make $150,000
to fight. It's, like, so
I get business side of UFC.
I also get the fighter side because I've been through it,
and it's a brutal sport.
Did Dana White, he invent UFC?
He bought the UFC when it was going
down. Why was it going down?
Because it was just so frowned upon.
It was illegal in most states. Most people
were, like, you're going to watch two guys
fight in a cage? Like, it wasn't, like,
this popular thing.
And how'd he change it?
He's, like, a marketing genius.
Threw a lot of money at it and then built this reality
TV show around it called The Ultimate Fighter.
Oh, yeah, I've heard of that.
Almost the game didn't change, right?
No, no. It's just people changed their perception of the game?
100%. Dana White, I think, is one of the
biggest marketing geniuses of all time.
I have no idea what the answer to this is,
was Joe Rogan a part of any of the
marketing genius of the upstart
of UFC? He was a, so
Joe first started. He's a commentator.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe Rogan, well, when he first
started, first started
working for the UFC, he did it for free.
Early 2000s, late
1999, whatever it was.
And he was, like, interviewing fighters backstage, and he
did it for free because he was in love with the sport. Yeah.
And then he started commentating
and I don't think he, I think
people really enjoyed his commentary
on it because he was kind of explaining what was
happening, and so I think
he had an impact in that sense.
I don't know about marketing. Is he the fighter?
Joe Rogan, he
did, like, kickboxing, taekwondo. You ever sparred with him?
No, he's old. He's, like, 60.
Did he fight? He did taekwondo when he was
younger, and then he, I think he has a black belt in
jiu-jitsu, so he knows. But, like, just as
like, does he, like, love you?
I've done his podcast three
times. I think he, I mean, I think he likes me.
Does he love you, though?
You know what's funny about that is I had
a, kind of, made this thing after my
fights. He's like, I fucking love you, Joe Rogan.
Like, there's, like, six fights in a row where
I did that. Oh, really? Because when I broke my
foot in my second fight, I was laying
on the ground after the
fight, and he came over to me and interviewed me while I was laying
on the ground with my foot broken, and I was like, I fucking
love you, Joe Rogan. And I kind of started this thing.
So it's funny you ask if he loves me. I don't know.
I love him. I said, I love him.
I think he did say, I love you too, man,
one time. You're worried that he might have said it
too much that he might be hurt. He's like, all right, he's good.
Which is fine.
When you're training for a fight,
like, do you, like, like, you know, so
who's the guy, who's the guy you're about
to fight? What's his name again? What's the guy's name?
Eamon Zahabi. He's from Canada.
I can't say that name at all. You're gonna beat the shit out of him.
Are you thinking, you're thinking about his face, like, how many
you're thinking about his face every day, right?
Like, you're picturing him when you're training. You're, like,
picturing him, like, you really
In a sense, there's, there's, there's
a little bit. Not,
not fully. You're not waking up thinking about
this guy, like, just subtly in the back of your mind, that
man that's also on the other side of the world training
for the same event where he's supposed to meet up with
you and beat the fuck out of you. To an extent.
Yeah. Like, there's, there, you find motivation, you
find some inspiration from thinking of, like, okay, this
motherfucker's training, but it's, like,
just focusing
on yourself and doing what you need to
do each session is,
I get more out of that than thinking about what he's doing
or thinking about him at all.
But I, I've been pretty, I would,
I don't know if it's,
I've had a lot of, a lot of fights, but there's even
still people that, at the highest level,
freak themselves out. They don't even want
to know about their fight for six weeks. Really?
They want a short notice fight? Do you, do you think you
need, like, do you need
social media so you can, like, antagonize
the guys? Like, don't they antagonize,
there's so much. There's people, you know who's
actually done really good at that is Jake Paul.
Yeah. In the boxing stuff. He's, like, very, he's been
very good at, like, making fun of people in a sense,
like, building these fights, hyping these fights
up. But you're not that type of guy.
I, I did a little bit, and
earlier on in my career, but lately
it's, like, it's so weird. I've been off social media
for a year and a half almost now, and it's, like,
I don't think about,
I, and I don't, and I actually don't
like this about myself. I used to think about
creating content more, and I, and I
really do enjoy creating content.
content we still create it but i'm not thinking about it nearly as much because i'm never on it
i don't see anything yeah but i and i feel like i used to looking back at my old social media when
i was coming up i was motivated by money and like fame when i didn't have it and i was able to
create this content that i feel like built my brand and now that i'm not on social i feel like
i'm not creating that same content i kind of feel guilty in a sense but i'm also like not being off
social is such a different level of peace of mind yes i don't have the anxiety you get just like
surfing it's like you never feel fucking good when you're on your phone you don't feel good
comparison is the thing for joy it's for sure such a true fucking quote it gets said all the time but
it's such a good one that it's like i don't feel dumb repeating like it's so it's yeah it really
is like you know what i have i'm gonna go get this thing that i have this feeling that i agree with
all of you let's go i have it's my uh your whistle yeah i have an appreciation whistle that
but you still spend a lot of time on social media i keep forgetting to wear the whistle
if i put on padding uh-huh
and i put on like three layers of padding they have headgear no if i put on like padding right
now and you punched me at like 20 would it destroy me no and again i never i've never
been someone who thinks it hits hard yeah i hit fast like i think i think what i think our
definition of hard is like just that little thing you did to the back of my head i'm still thinking
about i'm sure you can still feel it i do hit hard but i hit i'm more of like a speed guy check he
doesn't hit real hard i don't hate that hard it's more of a speed do you think though you would hurt
benny like if he had padding on if yeah it depends on thick the padding has three of those normal
paddings what normal pad oh let me just show you i got it okay i got my appreciation whistle
hold on hold on give me another one so three i might do harder no no no no hi guys dave here
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i love this thing i totally love it this tastes just like cookie dough and protein is valuable
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you know they're going to have men they're going to have an octagon you're going to have sean o'malley
who's here today but you know pretty soon he's going to be stepping into the octagon to take on
amon's a hobby in the bantamweight matchup that you absolutely cannot miss now that i've met sean
i'm nervous yeah it's you know we want him to i think we want him to win i don't want anybody to
get hurt and i don't want anybody to get punched actually we're neutral i don't want anybody to
kick and i just want everybody to shake hands you don't even want to see combat i don't want to see
combat i want to have a nice little talk i got news for you there's going to be combat ufc at
the white house this sunday only on paramount plus.com you got to go five percent oh no because
then five is like this i gotta do it enough where you feel wait till i clear just in case ribs fly
let me see what 10 is i don't this is so much padding i don't know if i feel everything you're
doing
should i do left hand or right uh uh
please should i give you a countdown or i just want to see what these feel like like get a little
bit harder harder you might not even feel that bad okay
that's decent oh my god nice i felt yes i felt it
out of your mind i'm not like whoa okay one might have hurt
one one might have hurt did it hurt you i mean i think he was just stunned by what was happening
you are that is i don't feel amazing but like that was cool yeah i i was not expecting one would have
been no no no no one are you kidding me that was like 70 that was a decent little nice shot nice
shot that was so did you see me fly back i guess i didn't realize that you were gonna like move yeah
what do you mean i was getting this guy's like one of the best fighters you should let me kick you
no no no no no you can kick kristen no i won't kick i won't talk do you want to get kicked i'm
dripping no i actually can't kick it's so hot in here no you just got okay did it look cool
does it did it look cool yeah i mean you almost broke through the glass i mean i they have it all
on the real cameras you know but i have it here and i kind of didn't really tell you when it was
coming which was kind of nice yeah and i didn't really get too much hip into it
i can't believe you're in pain
always yeah i guess i don't know i'm in pain and i just i just work out you're not beaten yeah but
when you work out all the time you're just in pain just from the workout even from being sore
and all yeah i do pilates and walk and i'm not in pain yeah girls typically i feel like you're just
my hips i always have to open so much it's the cracking for me like my knees crack when i stand
it's just i don't think that's bad though well should we should we do friends on three
would you would you like just punching him in the face real quick i'm not a violent person by any
means either i don't like fun i don't like i just want to just give you one small shot don't do it
hard dave i won't last time i threw a punch was like 10 years ago i punched my friend's butt and
i fractured my wrist oh wow you have a good fight what did you break your hand no oh we really
appreciate him we really appreciate you coming today i appreciate it on three one two three
oh was that a good one you know what one time bradley martin you know bradley martin no we're
big giant jack guy he uh we're at the club one i'll kind of turn it up let me give
the body shot and i flexing him as hard as he could and i was like oh nice shot and i walked
away bro he won't he's a big 265. his was not good right no that was bad but you can't he's
got a big fight coming up yeah i know i want to be easy thank you so much for coming thank you
i appreciate it i'm rooting for you i appreciate it i'm here for you every time i really appreciate
it i want to come play pickleball dude anytime yeah i want to play yeah i want to come here
just show me your number show me his pickleball yeah let me show you so cool he's like four of them
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Sean O'Malley is a professional MMA fighter known for his aggressive style, unique personality, and strong connection to his fans through social media and branding.
He has a deep personal connection to music, particularly 6ix9ine, whose influence is reflected in his appearance and attitude, and he credits the experience of fighting during the pandemic with shaping his career.
O'Malley emphasizes mental discipline, physical conditioning, and self-defense knowledge, including jujitsu, and believes in strategic preparation over brute force, while openly discussing his emotional and physical struggles in the sport.
Summary:
Sean O'Malley is a seasoned UFC fighter known for his fiery personality, strategic mindset, and deep connections to culture, including music and self-defense. He credits his early life in sports and a turning point at age 16 in Arizona—where he was repeatedly beaten but built confidence—to his rise in MMA. O'Malley emphasizes mental resilience, physical discipline, and preparation, noting that his approach to fighting combines speed, strategy, and mental toughness.
He shares personal experiences, such as losing the title to Merab Dvalishvili and later fighting him in a rematch where he tapped out, but remains confident in his ability to succeed. He discusses the physical and emotional toll of weight cutting, training, and the challenges of maintaining mental focus. O'Malley also reflects on his lifestyle, including his family, children, and values, and expresses a desire to stay involved in the sport while maintaining a balanced life.
His training includes jujitsu, and he believes submission-based self-defense is essential. He is also passionate about pickleball and community building, emphasizing his role as a mentor to younger fighters. Notably, he advocates for a fairer fight weight system, where fighters weigh in right before entering the octagon, to ensure fairness and reduce health risks.
His upcoming fight at the White House, a historic event, highlights his visibility and growing influence in mainstream culture, where he is seen not just as a fighter but as a cultural figure. Despite the physical demands of the sport, O'Malley remains driven by a deep love of the game and a commitment to personal growth.
FAQs
Sean emphasizes speed and strategic game planning, often using a southpaw stance. He believes in submissions like chokeholds and liver shots as effective self-defense, and he practices jujitsu to improve his ability to control opponents.
He loses weight through strict dieting and water loading, dropping from 160 to 135 pounds over several weeks. This process includes intense calorie deficit, hydration, and salt restriction, which he finds extremely physically taxing.
Yes, Sean is set to fight at the White House on June 14th, marking a historic event. The fight is part of a celebration of 250 years of American freedom and features a main event between Ilya Teporia and Justin Gaethje.
Sean was the UFC bantamweight champion in August 2023, defending the belt before losing it in June 2024. He has lost twice in his career, both in high-stakes title fights, but remains motivated to reclaim his status.
Sean practices jujitsu regularly and believes it is the most effective form of self-defense. He uses it to learn submission techniques and has his daughter training in the sport, showing his deep commitment to the discipline.
Yes, he is known for his unique style, outspoken personality, and deep connection with fans. He shares personal struggles, training routines, and insights into the sport, building a strong fan base through authenticity and transparency.
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