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The Sean O'Malley Episode

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The Sean O'Malley Episode

Sean O'Malley is a seasoned UFC fighter known for his fiery personality, strategic mindset, and deep connections to culture, including music and self-defense. He credits his early life in sports and a turning point at age 16 in Arizona—where he was repeatedly beaten but built confidence—to his rise in MMA. O'Malley emphasizes mental resilience, physical discipline, and preparation, noting that his approach to fighting combines speed, strategy, and mental toughness. He shares personal experiences, such as losing the title to Merab Dvalishvili and later fighting him in a rematch where he tapped out, but remains confident in his ability to succeed. He discusses the physical and emotional toll of weight cutting, training, and the challenges of maintaining mental focus. O'Malley also reflects on his lifestyle, including his family, children, and values, and expresses a desire to stay involved in the sport while maintaining a balanced life. His training includes jujitsu, and he believes submission-based self-defense is essential. He is also passionate about pickleball and community building, emphasizing his role as a mentor to younger fighters. Notably, he advocates for a fairer fight weight system, where fighters weigh in right before entering the octagon, to ensure fairness and reduce health risks. His upcoming fight at the White House, a historic event, highlights his visibility and growing influence in mainstream culture, where he is seen not just as a fighter but as a cultural figure. Despite the physical demands of the sport, O'Malley remains driven by a deep love of the game and a commitment to personal growth.

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It's Sean O'Malley, he's from the valley He'll fight you 'til you die, I can't see Sean O'Malley's ready to fight at the White House Whoa, today is a very important day I'm not sure if you're aware, oh, there's a smudge all over that Why is it an important day? There's a smudge Well, you can get Windex We have our first fighter coming in I've been here Just for that, I'm gonna beat the shit out of you during Have you ever fought? Yes I've never fought once I've fought many times Are you guys gonna fight him? No, but maybe Maybe you have If he says something I don't like Oh, wow! Hey! This guy's from I Don't Give A Fuck University To be a fighter, you gotta be a little crazy No normals A normal person can beat you up Not bad If I would grab you, I'd choke you like that Oh my god, that hurt I might be a better overall athlete Who's your dad? If I put on padding right now You punched me, you destroyed me Okay Yeah, that's amazing We know nothing about you, but I mean that We know of you, which is so impressive The fact that we all know who you are Don't follow the sport necessarily I love to hear that It's like whatever you're doing on a branding perspective Your wardrobe, unbelievable I appreciate that We were saying We were talking about Tommy Lee, too You might not even know his band But you know Tommy Lee because he's like the guy 6ix9ine, another person Some people don't know the music at all You have a 6ix9ine tattoo? 6ix9ine tat and 6ix9ine on me Oh my god Really? Yeah For Tekashi? He did it He did? He did some of it, yeah Really? Miami, after one of my fights I was hanging out with Steve Like Steve will do it He's like, bro, you wanna meet 6ix9ine? I was like, hell yeah Were you a fan of his before you met him? I like 6ix9ine Did you do your hair because of him? There was a lot of inspiration from 6ix9ine Really? Crazy rainbow colors Like there was a lot of inspiration there Wow I feel like that's what I feel like as far as a person Who's fully outside the business of UFC I feel like when you did that You were on my feed every day from then on If he wasn't a good fighter It wouldn't have been happening That fight I did that was So it was COVID So we were fighting at the Apex in Vegas Where I went from the fight before I was in an arena Like 20,000 people To my next fight was There was like 800 people Not even that There was maybe 100 people in the Apex The UFC And it was I knocked this dude out Hit him with the right hand With the colorful hair Yeah And he was snoring You could literally hear him go Really? It was crazy Yeah And that's what just made you It definitely Was it just an exciting knockout Or was this like a big fight as far as the It was my third UFC fight So it wasn't like a big fight in the rankings It wasn't for the title It wasn't this It was this It was like a lot of hype Yeah From coming off the Contender Series Yeah From Snoop Dogg Okay Did you guys hear this? No just cause Well yeah tell us I'll play two seconds of it please Yeah I know what you're gonna do You have the rights to it right? Hey O'Malley Look I know what he's Hey Lil Dicky in the house Oh Lil Dicky And I don't wanna play too much Cause I don't know how much copyright there is No no yeah But that was when I first walked out And then fast forward into the fight I don't remember at what point But Snoop's Sean Lil Dicky O'Malley Wow Going crazy You didn't know that Chad? No This was 2017 I mean look at me I look like a fucking You guys should I literally look like I'm 12 When you saw that for the first time Wow you do Were you like Ugh Why did he say Lil Dicky Or were you like Okay fuck it No I had gotten that I was always like Hey that's a good thing Hell yeah Good good I was happy about that You're a hotter version You're a much hotter version of him You should do Freaky Friday It's the face tattoos Freaky Friday 2 And you guys switch bodies I thought about I thought about making An entire album of Freaky Friday Same beat 12 straight times 12 different body switches Whatever I mean I think a couple I'm so done I'm done Wait Do you ever get shit When you have the braids I never even thought about it Really I didn't even I mean Well now you're gonna think about it Well no I mean When I first started braiding my hair I never I did This guy's from I don't give a fuck university Am I right Well hey I can't fight with hair in my eyes I just can't stand it Yeah Back was just So when I started braiding my hair I was like To kind of get it out of my eyes Then I felt like I transformed My hair is braided Yeah I feel like sugar I feel like a superhero I feel extra fast My head Yeah yeah yeah Feel faster So you go out there Yeah Ready to get punched Well I My main goal in a fight Is not to Yeah I guess that makes sense So inevitable It's There's been times I've had a lot of fights Where I've been able to Get out of there unscathed Never get punched I thought that was the whole thing In some fights I mean The whole thing is like Hit and not get hit Some people Are kind of like Oh I like getting hit I don't mind getting hit I fucking hate getting hit I don't want to get hit Did you fight a lot as a kid No Football Basketball Soccer Baseball From when I was like Three or four years old All the way up to high school Yeah Turned sixteen Hated school Had to get good grades To play like basketball Football School sports Hated school My buddy's like You want to check out This fighting gym I'm like That sounds cool How old I was sixteen I was super insecure My sophomore year I think And I was like Well Literally I was like One of the first things That crossed my mind I'm like Girls will think that's cool Like that was like And you were getting zero girls I got a couple You got some You got some Some of my prime years Were high school You got some There were threes and fours Yeah Had you ever gotten in a fist fight Before going to the No We never even got Okay I didn't even think of fighting As fighting Yeah I thought of fighting as a sport I thought of it as like You know Like I want to fucking kill people Yeah yeah yeah Never liked that for me Interesting So you get there And on your first time going there Was it like Instantly they were like Whoa That guy's got something So when I was sixteen Seventeen years old I was like Kickboxing with these guys I was Athletically I was just more athletic So I was naturally Kind of better than these guys I was beating up guys that sucked Yeah But in my mind I got this confidence I was like Holy shit I'm like I'm good Yeah So I built this confidence I built this confidence up Came to Arizona And got my ass kicked Literally for like I flew down for two weeks Every practice I would cry I was eighteen years old You would cry Cry after practice I was the man in Montana I would come to I came to Arizona Got my ass kicked Every single practice When you were crying Were you crying out of pain Or were you Like physical pain Or were you like Crying out of fear That you actually weren't able to It wasn't It wasn't There was times Where I had like concussions And it was physical pain Yeah Like concussions are terrifying Like if you've had a bad concussion And you would just want To be pitch black You don't want to see any light Yeah Like if I had bad concussions And But a lot of the crying Was early on Was Like I don't have a plan B Yeah Oh wow I do not want to I don't like school Like I'm not going back to school I want to be an athlete And thankfully At UFC MMA Boxing Like there's weight classes So I can You know I can't be in the NFL I can't be in the NBA I'm just not skilled And I'm not big enough That's just not realistic I was able to you know I was able to like Back to the gym tomorrow Back to the gym tomorrow Two a day Back to the gym in the morning Go home Take a nap Jack off Go to sleep I know that routine Yeah Yeah A warrior's spirit A warrior's routine So Do you Like if you get a fight coming up Do you jack off He does have a fight coming up Not the wipe I do No no Oh yeah I know I love that you asked this though I know that yeah So I have two answers Two answers for your jack off question Yeah I haven't jacked off In a year and a half Put a pound on her But In camp now I'm I tell her I said I said you get two Nuts out of me A week right now Yeah In camp You get a Wednesday nut And a Saturday nut Why Cause I spar Wednesday I need my chi I need my energy Yeah Oh Remember what Kevin Gates said It's You really feel like If you release It impacts your game Oh yeah I mean I think it's scientific Well if you can let your chi build up And You know Kevin Gates Is fucking actually Had him on It's amazing Yeah it's incredible Why don't you tell Kristen about chi No I'm just I can't believe it's Cause you know as a girl Sometimes you get bullied Into the whole like Blue balls can't focus thing Nat Dave doesn't do that I just feel like You hear that so often Blue balls is different Blue balls is like Tempting a man Up until he's about to come And then walking away This is just like Not even engaging Those are horrible To keep the energy To keep the focus So you only You only come twice a week In camp yeah In camp A lot of athletes are like this I think I would say I bet if you asked A lot of people That probably don't Think of it as I mean It is scientific I think you said it I think it is Real keeping your chi Yeah If I fucking Jacked off this morning I'd probably just be like Nah I'm gonna kind of Chill out a little bit You held off for us Well and I I haven't December 2024 I was going through A bunch of I have a wife Got a couple kids And we were going through Some issues And it was me Just I'm fucking To be a fighter You gotta be a little crazy Anyway right Yeah "I was having issues" December 2024 I take these mushrooms I have this This I'm like okay I need to I got off social media Haven't been on social media Good for you In a year Since December 2024 Got off social media Quit Jaying off And It's really changed my life That's great The social media thing though It's like Tell us You just see For me it was It's like you just I I get normal levels of horny Throughout like life But when I'm on social media You see all the girls And it And it I It's my biggest weakness And it's like I can't help it I'm What does it make you think? Like you just think These girls are all so hot That you just have to drive Bury them. Bury my three inches deep in them. Three? Small dick? No, it's decent. I mean, ours are all probably the same size. Look at her hair. I don't know. I've only seen one. I don't know about that. Well, he says things like bury them, but he also said three inches, but I'm sure I have the smallest dick. Yeah. But you have the best. I do. I have the best of all three. For her. For her, and that's all that matters. Everyone's different. So you were impacted sexually by seeing all of them. Well, and just social media in a whole, and I have two kids now, and I just, I don't want to be, like, if you see someone just kind of like surfing, like, if I see someone just surfing, I'm like, I don't want to just be doing that. I'd rather, you know, I still watch you. I don't have Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, Facebook. I have someone that runs all my stuff. Yeah. I watch YouTube, and I still even almost feel guilty doing that. Yeah. If I catch myself just watching, I'm like. Fuck, I don't even. I'm trying to be, and I'm far from it, but I'm trying to just be more present. Damn. Like, just try, and I think social media is being off that. How old are your kids? Five, and he turns, my little dude turns one this month. Two boys? A girl and a boy, yeah. How's it feel? It's, dude, it's the best. You guys don't have any kids? No. Not yet, no. Not yet? Not yet. Not yet. Someday soon. I'm trying to start an army. Yeah, that's what I want to do. I want an army, but if kids are the best, it's the coolest. I've known I want it. I remember breaking up with a girl when I was in seventh grade, because she didn't want kids. Really? Wow. Not going to work. Not going to work. Amazing. I've known I wanted kids for a long time. And how is it? Tell us about it. It's the best, dude. It's the best. Little Mateo, like, he's got his two teeth right here, two teeth popping in the top, like, and it's just, it's so, watching them baby breastfeed, too, there's just something about that. It's just so fucking cute. It's cool. And, like, he'll be over there, and Danny will be like, Mateo, and, like, show him your boob. And he'll be like, I'm fucking split, like, crawling fast, and I'm flat on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But having the right baby mama, having the right partner to raise kids is so, like, I'm so thankful I didn't knock up some random, like, girl. Oh, my God. I would be, like, miserable. Are you, I mean, she's got to be a ride or die, because she's stuck with you through your troubles and stuff. I put her through a lot. She's the best. I put her through hell. And you're, like, and you're, like, now you're, like, repainting. You're doing, like, everything you can to, yeah. I'm doing my best. Does she get nervous when you fight? She actually doesn't really get nervous. She watches me train, and I think there's this confidence she gets from watching me put in the work to where, like, my mom and dad get so nervous, because they're never, ever, ever in the gym watching me. They've never seen what I do. Yeah. To where she watches, she watches me spar, she watches me train, and she, so she, like, at the fight can, like, breathe. Yeah. And she's watched me win, she's watched me lose, and she's good through it all. So, like, what's going on right now? Are you, like, dieting? Are you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You are. Yeah, so right now I'm 16. I weigh 160. I weigh 160. What do you have to weigh for the fight? 135. Okay. Which is insane. This is my favorite thing. Wait, you have to, sorry, you have to lose weight? I'm 160 right now, and I have to weigh in at 135 the day before the fight. I understand the strategy, but then how is it, like, 12 hours later? It's, like, 32 hours or something like that. What do you mean by 32? They have to fight. You have to get all your energy back. Yeah. I'll go from 135, I'll weigh in at 135, and then by the time I get in the octagon, I'm about 152, 153. Yeah. They don't even re-weigh them right before. He has, like, 32 hours. Wait, this doesn't make any, so someone should work on this. Someone should fix this. No, no. Explain, so just tell her, I just want you to break down to her what the process is that week leading up to it. Okay, okay. So I'll start at 160, where I'm at right now. I'm going to lose 10 pounds from dieting, which is horrible because I have to train extremely hard. Yeah. And I have to burn more calories than I eat. Typically right now, like, I'm going to be burning a lot of calories. You get hungry, but you have to eat a little bit less than you burn. So I'm going to go from 160 to 150 in the next five weeks. And it's like science. And it's, yeah, it's very, I have a nutritionist. I weigh my food. It's 160, 150. That's not horrible. That's not, like, the worst. It's not great because you get, you know, a little bit hungry or whatever. But do you feel the calorie, like, deficit? Yes, yes, yes. Oh, man. But from 150 to 135 fight week is where, you know, you're water loading, you're drinking two gallons of water for four or five days straight, and then you cut out salt on that Wednesday before the weigh-ins. So you basically, I'm going to go from 150 to 135 in, like, four days, roughly. That's a sport within itself. Yeah. It is. It's a science. Let her. Oh, it's horrible. So tell her about what happens in the saunas and the baths. Explain it to us. Your body becomes like a machine to, like, be made into a heating all the things. You literally feel like you're dying. You can feel your heart, like, beating out of your chest. It's, like, when you're on, when I'm actually on weight, it feels like death. Do you dread that part of it more than even the fight? Yes. It's the worst part of the whole thing. Does everybody feel that way? Yes. Yeah, remember when the dude was walking? The dude was walking and just, like, passed out? Yeah, it happened. Like, what was that dude's name? He was, like, the. That was recent, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I fought on that card. He weighed in right before. I was in the back feeling like I'm dying, and he weighed in and passed out right before I went and got on the scale. It's, like, psychological warfare. Why are they. Why are you guys being. Why are you guys putting yourselves. Why? Because if I don't, I'm at the fight. A disadvantage. Is there a solution? Is there a solution? That's. Whoever comes up with a solution, there's people. There's, like, a company in Japan, like, 1FC, where they try to weigh you in, weigh you out camp, and, like, you have to fight around that, and you can't gain, like, more than 10%. They're trying stuff. I have a solution. Let's hear it. Everybody gets weighed right before the fight. Like, they. Yeah. Like, they walk up to the arena, you know. If they don't make weight, then the fight is ruined and they've lost. I know it's a risky proposition. It's risky, but it's not bad. But then no one can. Then you're never going to be that weak going into it, because you have to get off that scale and go fight the guy. Not a bad idea. So everyone just shows up exactly how they are. They can be professional. Maybe you make, like. A little bit of buffer. I don't know how much buffer there is between, like, the weight you have to hit. Maybe it's a pound extra buffer. It's not a bad idea. You know. Just weigh in right before you get in the octagon. That would be risky, though. For commercially. It would be, but that's not a bad idea. How often are people not making weight? It's not too bad. So I think my solution is a real solution. I think it's not bad. You should tell Dana. I talked to him. But I don't know. I think. More, it's, like, so much more logical and of the spirit of what I think sports is, which is, like. Competing at your highest level, at your highest performance. If you're weighing the person to understand if it's a fair fight with the weight, it should be, like, you have to walk in and fight when you're getting that actual number. Maybe there's science behind it, because maybe people. Maybe there. Maybe if you did it right then, people would, like, do it last minute and then be weak when they fought. Because, like, don't you have. But then you would risk yourself. Then you'd fucking get crushed. You're about to fight at the White House, which has probably never happened before in the history of America. Tell us about that fight. Yeah, I don't know how it came about. Trump's been at multiple. Multiple of my fights. Like, I've seen him. He's had a lot of fights. He's had. He's been at UFC fights for a long time, and I think he told Dana, let's do a fight at the White House. I don't know if he said it jokingly or whatever. Dana. I don't know if he has known Dana. I don't. Intense. Yeah. He's the man. He's such a cool motherfucker. He's a great boss. He's. He gets shit done. Like, during COVID, when all the sports shut down, we were still fighting. That's when I fought that kid when I knocked him out. It was like. And no one was there. Yeah. So he was still letting athletes fight during COVID. But he's the man. He's. Trump said he wants to fight at the White House. Dana's like, done. We're making it happen. And that was last year sometime, and now it's on Trump's birthday, June 14th. It's Freedom 250, and. Oh, yeah. 250 years of America. Are you the main event of this fight or not even? No, no, no. Ilya Teporia versus Justin Gaethje is the main event. Massive fight. But, yeah, very honored to be on it. It's going to be legendary. There's only seven fights on the card, which is usually there's 12. There's only seven. It's outside. Yeah. Have you ever fought outside like that? Outside. I have. I fought outside when I was a young amateur, like 18, 19 years old in Montana. That was the last time I fought outside. Does that affect anything? It definitely will if it rains. But outside, other than that, I don't know. What about the heat? Isn't it going to be a hot summer day? It probably will be humid. Yeah, it's like. Are you preparing in saunas? Are you guys, like, fighting in saunas? No, but I do sauna, like, five times a week. I love my sauna. Yes, you can handle the heat. It's great. Wait, I have a question about the people you fight. Okay. Are you friends with any of them? No. Good question. Never. So, truly, like, in the history of fighting, can you ever be, like, friendly with them? There's been friends that had to fight. And for me, like, there's guys in the bantamweight division, the division I'm in. I'm ranked number three. Like, my buddy Mario is ranked number seven. Like, there's guys in my division that, like, it's possible. I mean, I feel like I'm in a position to where I'm like, I wouldn't really ever have to. Do you avoid friendships because you don't even want to have that in your head when you're fighting these guys? Not really. Like, the chance. The chances of you two friends actually having to fight are very slim. Interesting. Like, it's not, like. I'm surprised. Why aren't you guys all hanging out? Because you guys all know. You all know of each other and. There's just so many gyms across the world, really. Yeah. Like, there's guys that live in Russia and Thailand. Yeah. Like, all over the world. Have you been number one? I was champ. I was champ, defended the belt. So, you've been. The highest level. You've been number one. So, is that, like. Yeah. I'm number three right now. I was number one August 2023. I won the belt. Defended it. March 2024. Lost it in June of last year. How heartbreaking is it to lose the belt? I mean, losing the belt sucked, but just losing in general. It just fucking sucked. Yeah. Losing. It was horrible. How many times have you lost? Twice. You've only lost. Yeah. I mean, it depends. Twice is the real answer, yes. What's the controversy? The other real answer. Yeah. So, my fourth UFC fight, I fought this. I fought Chido Vera. He kicked this nerve on my knee right here. It's like this. Weird little nerve. Yeah. And my foot went numb. Yeah. And, like, I literally kept rolling my ankle. And it's. I hate watching it back. Because I literally. My foot. I didn't have. God, I have a hole in my sock. I didn't have this motion. Yeah. Because the nerve shut off. So, every time I'd walk, I'd roll my ankle bad. Yeah. And, like, I went to punch. Fell on my back. He elbowed me in the head. They stopped the fight. Yeah. I get why. you don't count that as a loss and i and i always i kept saying this happened in 2000 um 2020 and i kept saying i'm like i'm better than that motherfucker he got lucky blah blah first title defense he wins a fight he gets the title shot i'm the champ at the time and we have the rematch the biggest gate in miami history the massive sold-out arena huge fight yeah uh he's from ecuador and like miami that that side it was it was a massive fight and i beat the fuck out of him for 25 minutes and it felt so that was the only time i actually had like i want to hurt someone i didn't like him yeah because of the first fight how it played out he was acting like he was this man he beat me and you beat the shit out of so i don't count that as a loss but what happened did you win that fight a 25 minute fight you beat the fuck out of him oh yeah were you so happy it felt so good and was it like electric it was like a four-year build-up of me saying that motherfucker got lucky i'm better than him and people are like why don't you have a rematch i'm like he doesn't deserve the he won i'm like he doesn't deserve a rematch like he i didn't like how he was acting he was acting like he beat me like he was the man like you got lucky you just like and i beat the oh dude it was the craziest knee i'm i'm on me i saw your knee to what when you what head chin when you stood up just now i heard both your knees crack is that gonna be an issue okay i'm gonna show you all that you hear that but isn't there something or even if you're defending yourself did his face concave did it all wow you look so cool oh oh my god just watch it this is the guy that i can't why that's brutal whoa oh summertime time to outdoor furnish and i know a company wayfair that will really assist us why are you talking like that because i'm ready to sell i have to say i do love wayfair's options yeah and i and i sent you a few options for a little you know that little space outside of our pool i know it you know what i've weighed in yeah how do you feel about i have to commit how do you feel about buying me uh we're not buying you anything i don't want to buy you anything ever get paid for it i don't want to buy you anything ever get paid for it i don't want to buy you anything ever get paid for it i don't want to buy you anything ever get paid for it i don't want to you guys i've been using canva you know canva oh yeah i've been taking pictures of places canva oh yeah i've been taking pictures of places in our house then i ask it to i in our house then i ask it to i in our house then i ask it to i prompt it and i say prompt it and i say prompt it and i say can you redesign the space for me and i can you redesign the space for me and i can you redesign the space for me and i have a lot to show the two of you oh have a lot to show the two of you oh have a lot to show the two of you oh really like what part of the home really like what part of the home really like what part of the home well our bedroom oh well our bedroom oh well our bedroom oh and the upstairs studio and the upstairs studio and the upstairs studio oh and the downstairs i think we could do oh and the downstairs i think we could do oh and the downstairs studio something different with like the shelves something different with like the shelves something different with like the shelves so you so canva you is telling you so you so canva you is telling you so you so canva you is telling you options i guess it's helping us it's on options i guess it's helping us it's on options i guess it's helping us it's on your prices your prices your prices not yet canva makes design easy for not yet canva makes design easy for not yet canva makes design easy for anyone with built-in ai that lets you anyone with built-in ai that lets you anyone with built-in ai that lets you remove generate and animate content in remove generate and animate content in remove generate and animate content in just a click start designing today at just a click start designing today at just a click start designing today at canva.com canva.com to get punched in the face, and that's kind of true. But there's game plans you want to stick to. Certain styles match up against different people. I've had so many fights in the UFC, and this guy I'm fighting has had so many fights in the UFC. You can watch enough film that you get. People have patterns. People do certain things. So there's game plans you can make according to how people fight. Are some people known as great game planners, and that's their thing, where some people are just great tough guys and they can't get knocked down? Yeah. What's the. Is anyone known for their knee? Like, that guy's got the boniest knee, and if you get hit by him, you're done? I'm sure you guys saw Jorge Masvidal when he knocked out Ben Askren. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a three-second fight. Yeah. It was like, literally, five, he ran. That's a legendary knee that's. Now, have you ever gotten, like, hit in the face, and you're, like, in the ring, and you just rocked your world, and you're just like, oh, my God. And it's, like, early in the fight, and you're like, how am I gonna, like, do. What's the feeling in your head when you just got rocked like that, you're still up, and the guy's coming at you? What's going through your head? There is. So that Peter Yan, the guy that's the champ right now, when I fought him in Abu Dhabi in the second round, I came out, boom, cracked him hard, rocked him, hit him with the right hand, dropped him, fast-forward, like, 45 seconds. We're both standing there, and he hits me with a left hand, and you literally see, it's right on the chin, you see my head completely, like, turn all the way around. Yeah. And it was. That was probably the hardest I've been hit, but it didn't hurt in a sense. When you think back to this moment. I don't even understand why I don't cry. When you think back to this moment, it's a good question how you not cry. When you think back to this moment, is it, like, a flash, the way, like, if I drank a little and I woke up the next day and I don't remember a certain thing? Like, are you able to actually remember the moment specifically or not really? It's pretty blurry. Yeah. It's very blurry. Yeah. If me and Dave stood up right now, like, and, like, punched the air, would you be able to tell, like, who a better fighter was or no? Not really. No, probably not. No, because that doesn't. Sometimes it comes down to who's got more heart. Okay. Oh. Okay, okay, you go first. We get one. No, no, no, no, you get to do. Can you do a little dance? Oh, yeah, 10 seconds. Okay, okay. I'm gonna do it, too. So, your southpaw, are you right-handed or left-handed? Can you see? Okay. Ooh. Not bad. Decent. Wow. Oh, shit. That's good. Decent footwork. What? Damn. That's not bad. Okay, that's why I. It was semi-slow until you. But when the right hook was decent. I saw a fast twitch. I saw the fast twitch. I almost fainted. I want Kristen. I want Kristen, too, after. You fainted. Okay, okay. Did it feel like. Was it hard? I was. I'm not. Are you tired? So, I'm gonna stand. I was just stressed. You're a southpaw, too. I am? Yeah. I'm southpaw. Lefty on lefty. He was, too. Okay, so. Oh. Wow. Okay. You're more a little Mike Tyson style. Whoa. Okay, that wasn't bad. Okay, now. I'm more jujitsu or whatever, you know? More just martial. You're more of a long fighter. He was more of, like, a Mike Tyson. All right, let's see. What? Oh, no. Damn. That's not terrible. She looked terrible. I mean, the. Okay, okay. There was. There was no left hand. There was only right hand. At least we know we're in a higher. We know we're, like. See, now. It was all one. Now, I will tell you one thing. Like, that made me tired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That got me tired. Me, too. How many seconds was that? About five. Okay. It didn't make me sweat. How long. Like, Chuck, I'm actually, like. Like, my arms are tired right now. It's the most exhausting sport in the world. Are your arms tired? When I took boxing once, here's the thing I really did like, is, like, you are. It's like. There's, like, a core. Well, it's not the same. It's boxing the same. No, you're doing a lesson where you're, like, lean left, hit, lean right. Yeah, I loved it. It was, like, you just. He's doing. Boxing cardio? Yeah. Like, a workout, boxing workout? Well, it was actually in a boxing gym. Yeah, a lot of people do. They don't fight, or they don't, you know, want to fight, but they do workouts for boxing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so exhausting. Yeah, I'm so tired to sit down. I got two things to sit down. One thing is, like, you, like. So, like, right now, just, like, looking at you, you look like just, like. A bitch. No, no, you look like. Kind of. Just like a normal dude. Like, you don't have, like, the biggest. Like, your trainer, like, I'm like, whoa, that guy's huge. But, like, you have, like, a normal arm. Like, so what. So it doesn't. The big guy, it doesn't. Well, there's a whole. You know, there's different weight classes. No, no, no, I'm aware, but, like, you're not, like, the most, like, cut-off guy. I'm fast as fuck. Yeah, like, do you have, like, a six-pack or something? No, I'm just fast. I'm really fast. Can you punch the air? I just got to watch you. I mean, you put me on the spot. Yeah, yeah, I just. You don't have tennis on you? Well, punch me in the face. Sometimes I pick a ball. Oh. Now, if. If. If you. If I stood up, like, right here, and you, like. What are you most known for, your kick or your punch? I would say most known for right hand knock people out. So, like. I knew that about you. Yeah. As a peripheral fan, I knew that about you. So, like, right now, like. I have pretty big hands, too. Like, I'm pretty good. Yeah, I noticed it when you came in. They're big hands. Oh, my God. You're a freak. Yeah, I have pretty big hands. Yeah, why are they so big for your sense? Just for knock people out. Yeah. Me. Yeah. Now, now. Wait, let me see. So, my thing is. I think you have pretty big hands. I do? Like, right now. Right now, if you. If you, like, punched me in the face, like, hot. Like, full punch. Yeah, you're. Would you die? Am I dead? No. Do I. The thing. The thing, like, if you knew I was gonna punch you, it probably wouldn't be as bad as. You know, the punch you get hit is when you don't know. If you punched me, I would die. I don't know if I could kill someone with a punch. What do you mean? You're making a grown man snore. I think Francis Ngannou. You guys know Francis Ngannou? I think he would kill somebody. Yeah, because he's huge. Let me just. So, don't punch me. But I just want to see. No, no, no. I just want to see, like, what it's like. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Even like that. Even that little moment. Give me the small moment. It rocked me a little. Oof. No, but sometimes, like, it's like these shots right here. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I feel it. Let me do that to you. It's like, you kind of like, when you get hit up here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Already. Do it to her. I don't want to do that. No, no. I really don't want to do that. If you did that, that's a weird spot to get hit. What percentage? So, that's zero percent? I have a bony head. I feel like we're doing it to her. If you did that to me, I think at 15%, I might. You'd die. I'd have to, like, lay down. The weirdest ones are the liver shots. Getting hit in the body. Oh, yeah. Ryan Garcia. I was at that fight. Dude, I was at the fight when Ryan Garcia got that. Wait, so show me that for a little time. It shuts you down. Oh, my God. Do you think if I was like, look, I'm going to give it all up and train as hard as I can for the next, like, two years at 36, I'm kind of athletic sometimes. I mean, that was a bad display. I'm not really sure of the technique. I'll say this. If you took jiu-jitsu, straight jiu-jitsu, where jiu-jitsu is, like, kind of like on the ground where you can submit people and you can choke people. Yeah. You took jiu-jitsu for two years, took it dead serious, and he didn't do anything. I could beat him up? You would be able to beat him up. Well, the girls are getting good. Like, they're below the guys' ish. Like, nowadays, the girls are fucking so good. Maybe this is a totally inappropriate question. If there was a girl who was the best girl who was in a much heavier weight class than you, do you have a shot? Yes. Yeah, you'll win. I'd still win. It's just, like, the difference between. Yeah, well, it's just. yeah so wait girls too yeah these girls get fucking the girls don't really knock each other out too much either so it's almost more brutal yeah because they just fucking hit each other do you probably really quick too do you think if if if if i trained for like a year and i like went under your guys tutelage like do you think there's a world where like we're like i'm like fucking a dude up in the street 100 it doesn't take if you it depends how your level of commitment if you're going to the gym twice a day for a year that's a day twice a day i mean that's what it takes like to get good i mean like i mean like i'm going like three times a week if you did three times a week for a year you could get good yeah 100 a day fucking out of your mind that was crazy twice a day twice a day i'd be i'd be dead yeah but all that all that training can't get him courage yeah there's something that takes courage there's so do you i do not have good courage not in fighting but you have good life courage that i think could transfer zero percent fight courage never been in a fight never could imagine it i can't have you ever been in a fight outside the ring no never no but the same way i couldn't grab a mic and i hate i wish i could sing i wish i could perform i wish i could rap i wish i could i guess i have courage there i could not even stand in front of a crowd with a microphone but you're not nervous at all when you go butt naked almost an octagon i hate that i always think when i watch these fighters fight because i used to have such bad body acne and i was like 32 years old and i always thought oh my god i would be so exposed yes like yeah i used to do concerts and i would have to wear i wore baseball jerseys because i could show a little bit of skin without having to see my back and sometimes a crowd would chant take it off take it off do some do some some yeah yeah some people do some people do any guys wear body makeup i don't think so okay maybe when you're in there you don't give off you don't get like spray tan you sweat it all off have you ever gotten hit in the nuts you wear a cup i have been hitting the nuts and it's getting hit in the nuts is horrible i'm sure you even with the cup even with the cup like what it's illegal no you can't hit in the nuts you can't i gouge you can't put your you know can't fish hook yeah no thumbs in the butt no i don't know if a thumb in the butt is a rule very frowned i don't know if it is it's probably frowned upon no licking no biting no licking no biting no spitting like here's what i would do okay here's here's my thing i'm coming in around like no i'm coming in like and i'm and i'm i'm stinking like shit okay like i've been asked this before is that a benefit is there a benefit to stink like shit i wonder if you'd want if they want to beat the fuck out of you more yeah really yeah you can't get beat by some of that stink though yeah and you also they're not like they're so in the zone you probably can't even smell now is it do is it to your advantage like if you're like really a sweaty guy and the punches like fly off i mean more so in the wrestling grappling department but striking not as much sweaty i don't i sweat i would say average amount you ever had a headache before entering it oh i've had i've been fucked i've a lot of fights i've had injuries really and you just have to take a shit or something you're like no my stomach just feels not like as good as i wanted reflex a little bit there's during a multiple times like oh no and again it's the rehab like cutting all that weight it's so crazy on your body and the rehydration it's like it fucks your body up so there's been times where you're saying oh god i don't feel great but you get a surge of adrenaline like when you like step out i uh i feel like adrenaline in the octagon a little bit but not too much like i'm pretty calm like if you watch my fights my watch my walkouts i'm very i kind of have this you're in the zone demeanor it's like yeah i'm pretty now after the fight you you just won what are you doing after the i love a shower after i win oh i just smile so it's the shot it's the shot after fights after wins chat the lose lost showers or not they're just like sit on the ground yeah yeah they suck but at the after the wind what are you doing oh i talked myself like we did it looking in the mirror are you watching are you like are you like even washing yourself or no you're just showering i'm because you know it's a little bit so because after you go to the club after you know yeah so you are you just like i'm the man oh yeah you feel dude after a win you make a you make a fuck ton of money you just want to fight you've been training for for eight weeks yeah yeah and it's all over the sense of relief yeah it probably feels like it after like a concert or something like just way more way more it's like everything so do you have sex that night or no oh hopefully with lots of sex really you're not too tired no for sex yeah he's been he's got he's been on a regimen you guys want to sit on the couch yeah floyd's a boxer right yes he's a boxer he's never lost he's never lost never lost would you ever fight floyd mayweather oh 100 i would i mean boxer fight well there's boxing he's even though he's like fucking 50 he's still so good he's still because is he is he here is he your same weight class he's a little more he's probably the same he's pretty short but we're probably like i'm i'm super skinny speaking of sports and random sports even though it's not that random every four years you know we got big soccer matches uh i think it's okay to call them matches uh and what i like to do is i like to go on fan duel predicts app and just predict the outcome and win uh obviously i'm from america i'm american made and usa has paraguay coming up so i i don't know if i'm just being naive or or if i'm that big of a patriot but i think we're gonna win that's my prediction so i'm gonna go on fan duel app i'm gonna make this fan duel prediction i stand to win these are real stakes and this is real life i'm gonna win and so is america but you can't you can't you couldn't be boxers could you at a certain level i could yeah i i came from kick boxing boxing my background's more of a box yeah but like you would destroy floy mayweather in a fight yeah like ufc like you like within a couple minutes yeah yeah he couldn't but in it but in boxing like he'd still probably take you it'd be interesting he's getting older yeah you know what i mean you ever get scared like are you ever at home and you hear like a sound and you think oh no yes because i have kids okay but you know you could just beat anybody up not if they have a gun yeah guns so you could kick the gun out before they could even yeah oh i got multiple guns yeah i got i got yeah but you still get scared yeah more so have you ever walked down the street and been like that man is huge i'm scared of him not really i've never had issues outside like yeah if i ever went to a club or something i've never had issues everyone's pretty nice yeah for the most part yeah no one's gonna want to press him i feel like drunk people would come up to you all the time and be like can i i've had it like once or twice i feel like i'm like i just avoid it i don't like i'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more with you because you're so well known guys get drunk yeah and and you're just not physically that big so there's probably a lot of big yeah a lot of big dudes i'm surprised it doesn't happen as much either i'd like to think when i get if i do i don't drink that often rare very rarely but if i do i feel i'm just like i want to hug you let's go like you can't it's like you if a guy like no normal person can beat you up a normal person like no it's not trained yeah like like if there's a dude even like an nba player that's not trained like if a guy's like 6'6 and like he's like an nba player like he can't beat you up it'd be interesting i mean they're they're they would get tired i talked to ryan i asked ryan because we were with ryan and he was talking about jimmy butler and he's like yeah he's like i'd beat this shit he's like he's like there's he said there's a certain point when weight becomes an issue he said like shack would be hard but he's like honestly he said it wouldn't be that hard he's like because as long as you can he said he said what he would do is he was like i would just defend myself because any guy unless you're a trained fighter you're getting tired very quick yeah well ryan ryan can't fight he can box yeah oh a question so you see a guy like wiz khalifa yeah okay and he does what's he doing yeah he's he's training is it mma it looks like he's doing i'm not i know he's hitting kicking and stuff so like training so like a guy like that if you like spar with him like and you're going like like 25 percent or how people go in as well will he be able to like do it with you without getting like incredibly hurt if i didn't want to hurt him i wouldn't yeah yeah like if he like could you go at 25 percent and he's in it's like like he's usually like he's like he's you wanted to hurt him at 25 he's basically saying it's a ridiculous 25 percent of you no i was just wondering like pickleball is a sport where when when if someone walks on they can play almost with anyone immediately like i'm saying if somebody starts training and they've been training for a little while and they get in can they like do a spar thing and not trying to i'm not saying they're gonna beat you but are they like are will they be capable enough to like do something that's like fun for everyone yeah yeah i think so yeah i mean that's all i wanted i'm not a violent person in any way i never have any like desire to be violent but i do have this fantasy of being in a situation in life where somebody is in the wrong and we're like in a street when i envision it i like this and i i i just slap the man across the face as hard as i can and and people see it and everyone is so happy that i slapped him it's so justified and i walk away he doesn't do anything and that's it it's a hero moment yeah there's a slap slap was so not convincing i think yeah slapping someone's not as i feel like illegal like if i wanted to punch someone like it'd probably fall but if i slap someone he's like you're a bitch but on the note of illegal remember how i asked you if you're like if i do it it's illegal but there aren't like boxers have to have their you know registered or is that just a mess i would assume that's there's some truth to it that like if you're an ath a professional fighter you're not a professional fighter you're not a professional fighter you're not a professional fighter that you're considered a weapon or something basically if he got in a fight in a street fight and he didn't ask for it but he got in the fight and he knocked the guy out boom even though it was self-defense and the guy actually died oh He might have worse litigious situation. You're held, like you're not supposed to. Because his hands are maybe a deadly weapon. Yeah. I don't know if it applies to you. I remember hearing that. It's funny. I remember hearing that like when I was like 16, 17 years old when I first started training. They're like, oh, no, you can't get in street fights because you're considered a weapon. I'm like, I remember hearing that and there's probably some truth to it. Because you just don't, it's hard to draw the line of like what's going to win me this fight versus knock this guy out versus accidentally kill this man. The thing about being so high level though is like if I got in a street fight, I wouldn't punch somebody. I might hit him in the body. I might hit him with a liver shot where they just crumble. Or I'd realistically take someone down and put them in a submission kind of to where they're defend, take their back, choke them, say, who's your daddy? Who's your daddy? And then they basically say that. What's the best thing we could do if we got into a fight? Like what's our, hit them in the balls, right? Submission, submission. Balls, I mean, I just, I'm all, I, if you, I would, I just need to learn jujitsu. Everyone, I don't know. Do you do jujitsu? Yeah, I do jujitsu. I do jujitsu. Jujitsu is the best, like my daughter's in jujitsu. She's five. What is jujitsu? Giselle does jujitsu. Jujitsu's, Giselle, who's that? Giselle. Tom Brady's ex-wife. Okay, that's how she met her, her mom, Brady. I loved her. If I, if I walked behind you and you had no idea. Oh, wow. And I put you. I'd go like this. No, don't do anything. That's what I'd do intentionally. I'd go like this and cover my neck and grab your arm. So you can't choke me. You know how like there are like races. Well, they're like this all the time. Like when you go on a race and like a fast burner might give a guy a head start and still win the race. If you gave me the head start of choking you as hard as I can, would you have no doubt that you'd still end up in top in like five seconds? You guys look cute. It's like a nice, it looks like. I just saw him in that moment. I just saw you switch and your eyes, you were going like this. You were like, and you were looking around. Were you like assessing the situation? I mean, instantly if someone were to like touch, first thing you're doing is grabbing the hand on the neck. Because you need this arm to choke me. That was the first thing I would do is grab that hand. Even me? What should she do? Would I do that? What should she do if a man comes up and were to try something? What's the first thing she should do? Elbow to the nuts, probably. Yeah. Like if possible. Well, if he comes up like behind you, like kind of grab you. I mean, I would, whatever where he's at, hit him in the nuts. And that would be like probably the number one thing. But. I have to hit really hard. I mean, that's not a good situation. But if you had a blue belt, if you did jujitsu for two years, I would be very confident that you would be able to submit like an average size male. Yeah, but what if I have a box cutter? Wow. Box cutter would be nice. I think I might have a box cutter. What is jujitsu? It's submission. So like what's it look like? What do I? So if we were doing jujitsu, we would just like kind of slap hands. And then we would like, we'd go live. So basically I would try to take you down or you would try to take me down. Oh, is this the one where you go like this? Or no, that's more wrestling. It's wrestling, but with submission. So if I grabbed your head right to this, for instance, I would grab you and I'd choke you like that. Oh my God, that hurt. When you say submission, you just mean someone's got to submit? Someone's tap out. Yeah, I give up, I lose. But what if that person doesn't want to give up? Then you choke them out and unconsciously go, okay. And the ref goes, the ref goes. You know, instantly when he did that, I feel a soreness right here. So if you're like. He chokes. And so jujitsu is the best form of like self-defense. Yes, 100%. Have you been just chomping at the bit to get that belt back? It's been, so I lost the belt and then I fought for it again. I fought the same guy at a rematch. He beat me again. What's this man's name? Merab. And he's a nice guy. He's from Georgia. His fucking nose is Duvalish Willie. Okay, keep going. He's a Georgian guy. I fought him. The first fight was a close fight. I, it was a very close fight. I almost, I almost, I hit him in the body in the fifth round. In the title fight, you fight for 25 minutes. There's five, five minute rounds. At the end of the fifth round, I was hitting him in the body shot. He's running around the cage. He's like, I almost got him out of there. You almost had him. Lost a decision. Had a rematch with, so that fight, I went into the fight with a torn labrum in my hip. I literally had surgery scheduled for the week after the fight. Because I fought, I had a torn labrum in my hip. Got surgery. Recovered for surgery. Fought him again. The timing was, I was so antsy and I wanted to get back so bad. And it was just like, I got, I rushed myself. Yeah. And he, he, he defended the belt. He fought another really, really tough guy. So he's active. He's training. He's winning fights. I booked the second fight with him and he actually choked me. I tapped out. He, and that sucked. Do you think you can beat him? Yes. I know I can beat him. But are you just like, you know, restless until you're back on top? Are you, like, does that mindset just take over your, like, for me, I'm just like, until I prove myself and all these things, like, I can't rest. Are you, or do you feel like you've already proved yourself one time, you were at the top, and now everything else is kind of icing? Yeah. That's a great question. And it is a little bit of both. There's, like, I wanted, like, I just fought in January. I was coming off the two losses in a row. And I'd never come off two losses in a row. And there was this, like, desire. I'm like, I have to fucking get a win. Like, I was associating too much with, like, being a fighter. But I also, I feel like, understand that happiness is a skill. And it's, like, what I let my brain think of. And, like, if I'm constantly just, like, dwelling on that, I definitely feel anxious. I'm like, or if I'm like, okay, be grateful for what I already have. Be grateful for where I'm at. I haven't fucking just built a crazy house. I have these kids. I'm married. Like, life's good. Like, I can be in that mindset. I'm more, I'm definitely more at peace. But it's, like, it switches throughout days, weeks. It's, like, I need to get that win back. So it's kind of both. Are you projecting, like, you know, because you're a professional athlete. There's a shelf life of an age. Yeah, absolutely. So are you always thinking about, what am I going to do when I'm 40 and up? Absolutely. And, like, thinking about just, obviously, you've built a brand. Like, when do you stop? Like, when do most people stop? I'm 31 right now. I could literally fight. Like, there's, Daniel Cormier won the heavyweight belt when he was 39 or 40. But that's young, or no? No. That's old. That's very old for fighting. Like, fighting is a young man's sport. Like, 25, 26. Like, these killers are coming up, and they're getting better younger. Yeah. So I'm 31 right now. And it's so hard to say, like, where it is. I could have one more fight. I could have two more fights. I could have 10 more fights. Yeah. Like, I really don't know. It depends on how my body feels. But you're not really thinking about it. Like, you're going in, like, you're taking each fight as it comes. Each fight at a time. But there is thought. It's like, okay, like, how, like, this training's brutal. Training camp's brutal. Cutting weight is horrible. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have to fight anymore. I do it because I love it. And I was watching this Conor McGregor documentary last night. I was actually watching a little bit of it this morning for inspiration, motivation. Like, Conor always is, like, I feel like I'm so lucky because I've been in the sport. I watched Conor from when he got into the UFC to where he's at now. Watched his rise. And I get this, like, and I was watching him just at the weigh-ins for when he fought Jose Aldo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sold out arena in Vegas. And it's like, I still crave that. I still want that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still. Of course. Yeah. Of course. So it's still there. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. It happens. Yeah. Everyone gets, you know, that feeling. It never goes away. I hope it does. Eventually. No. Yeah. You'll probably get to a place where you're like, you know, it's like I still have it in me, but it might not be. Like, it might balance out a little bit. I know when my speed, because my speed is really what I. Yeah. My number one attribute. And, like, if my speed kind of starts coming down, like, that's when I need to exit the game. Yeah. But we have such a cool gym. Tim owns the gym. It's 20 minutes from our house. We have a bunch of up-and-coming fighters. Like, I still feel like. This is in Montana. In Arizona. Arizona. Arizona, yeah. So, I still feel like I have a lot to give back to the MMA community in that sense and help build up these young fighters. Yeah. And I'll be around the sport, but I'm also obsessed with pickleball right now. I'm like, bro, I'm building a. I bet you're good. Are you good? I'm decent for not playing very long. Yeah. I'm building a pickleball court at my house now. I got a guy coming out Monday to lay the pad. Wow. I'm obsessed with it. It's so cool that we could play. Yeah. Like, I think, like, us together could beat you and your friend there. Zero percent chance. Why do you think that? I think that's ridiculous. I think there's a reasonable chance. I think there's a very good chance both of us together would beat you and your trainer. Why do you think you're better than pickleball? Yeah, why do you think? You guys, I can even answer that. I know I am. He's so athletic. He's so quick. He's got such good height. No, no. You guys are nuts. You guys are decent at pickleball? Yeah. Yeah. Where do you, I think we're. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. First off, you're talking to a two-year tennis captain. Yeah. Okay, that changes it. Suburban Philadelphia. Okay, that changes it a little bit. My brother was a Division I tennis player. I grew up in a tennis family. Your brother? Yeah. I mean, that kind of helps. I'm, I'm, I'm. My dad is a cop. I'm, I'm 100% sure, like, me and Dave together on a team. Best of three? Would beat most normal people. I wish we had pickleball here, because he's not a normal person. I know. I'm not great at pickleball. He's more normal than you think. Let me put it into perspective for you. I am. My friend, my friend was 150th best tennis player in the world, okay? He was a professional tennis player. The best in the, those are the best people in the world. Yeah, yeah. He's 150 in the world. He came and he played. He came and he played pickleball with us and he, like, sucked. And it's like, and then he, and then he, yeah, he wasn't, and then he became, he became good and he's, like, a decent player. No, he could be as good as you want him to be. Oh, yeah, if you wanted to, he could be. What paddle do you use? Unbelievable. I like, I like a, I like a one with a, I'm a thick boy. A thick paddle? Do you know, like, the brand? Do you have, like, a specific brand? No, no. My friend has a company, so. God, if you would have said a name, I would have been, oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. I don't know the brands. You're right. I don't, I don't really know. I just, I do think, I do think, I do think, though, that, like, I think we'd have good, I think, I think you're thinking you're a lot better than what we are. I just have had so many people come to, we own the pickleball courts. We have four courts right next to our gym. It's called the Pickle Dojo. It's fucking dope. Yeah. And we've had so many people come in and be like, no, I'm good. And then we play with them. I'm like, bro, you just, you can barely hit over the net. Like, I don't know why people think that. No, that is not. That's what I'm assuming. That's because it's an early entry sport. It's easy. That is not, yeah. It's not good, but we, like, yes, we play sport. Like, I put, I work out four times a week and I play basketball. Like, I might be a better overall athlete than you. I believe it. Overall. Like, you're a better, obviously, fighter. No, you're pretty good at basketball, aren't you? I can ball. Keep, you still hoop? I can ball. I don't hoop still, but I can ball. I just want to see your handle a little. Let me get the, where's the basketball? What makes you think you're a better athlete than, like, a professional athlete? Chuck, where's your, no, it's. different. Where's your basketball, Jack? Are you pretty quick? I'm in my room. He's good at tennis. And basketball. It's not my room. I have unbelievable hand-eye coordination. I guarantee you you're better at basketball than me, probably. I can ball. But I bet you you're not a better shooter than me. Like, you know what I mean? I know that you're more athletic in every, like, combine version. Just like a three-point shot? Yeah. I have a decent shot, but I'm more of, like, a playmaker. I can like, I'm a hustler, I'm a playmaker. Seriously, you can get the ball on the thing. See? I mean, it's like. You know what time it is. It really comes around every four years, and it keeps on coming. I know what you're talking about. Soccer. Or football. Yep, but we're in America, and we're on Team USA, and we've got a lot of countries to win. Ooh, I'm not sure if that's who I would predict. Really? What? Well, I don't know. I'm going for Spain. I got a cousin from Spain, so that's my place. Really? What about France? And I love France, too. Brazil? And I love Brazil. This is what's wrong with this country. You can predict the outcome of the Pro Soccer Championships games all the way to the end of the tournament with FanDuel Predicts. Sign up and grab your $25 bonus on FanDuel Predicts and ride this playoff journey with us. Sorry, I was just a little excited. I like that. NoCD. It's so interesting that you guys are best friends and you both have OCD. Like, that must be nice. It's nice that I have him and we have each other, but it's a thing that is probably annoying to deal with if we're being honest. Sometimes we call each other out on it. Like, when we're talking on FaceTime, if, like, one of us hangs up prematurely, we have to call the other one back. Yeah, so sometimes we enable each other. But I will tell you, it's cool that this exists because I remember, like, when I was younger, like, going to my friends or my family about it, and they think it's, like, a joke or something. They don't really understand the nuances. Like, and NoCD is amazing, and it's 100% virtual, so you can do it anywhere you are in the world. There's no excuse. To learn more about starting OCD therapy with NoCD, go to nocd.com slash friends and book a free call with their team. That's nocd.com slash friends. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we know you can do that. No, you can't. Yes, I can. Yeah, he actually can. Yes, I can, cocksucker. He actually can. Maybe not right now. Well, is that a men's ball, though? Yeah. No, no, he'd Yeah, he can. Do it down. How's that? Why? Okay. Here you go, cocksucker. I don't know if I can. I don't know if I can do it. Down's harder. Down's harder. Something's a little moist today. You have huge hands. Okay, let me just see him dribble. I mean, this is good enough. That's pretty good. I just want to watch him dribble. This is good enough. Give me the ball. Outside. Give me the ball. Check. Do you want me to move the rug? I got to watch him dribble. Should I move the rug? Okay. I just got to see him. Okay, okay. Get out of here. No, no, no. You could not get the ball from me. You know how I know you suck? The way you're dribbling is crazy. You don't suck, but I just got to say one thing. No, you're a guy I don't want to play. You're the guy I don't want to play because you don't know how to play that well and you're too strong. Let me tell you something. Look, first thing you're doing that I'm seeing, you're lifting your leg up. I don't need to. But you do. Oh, I can if I want. Just the way that it's. You're one of those guys. No, it's just when the hands, when you're moving, there's just a certain, like, there's a certain thing people, when you ball, there's just like a certain, it's a certain way you just dribble it. So you can beat me one-on-one? No. I'm not saying I can beat you. You're so strong. No, I don't need, I wouldn't need to use strength to win. I'd have to see you're real. You're probably such a good defender. Defender, offense, anything. No, he's, honestly, I'll be honest with you. I bet you, at this point, especially in my life, the player that I am today, you have a better impact on the game than me, for sure, all around, defensively, the loose balls. But just shooting. More than just shooting. Offensively, I'm just much better at offense. I would contribute to a team more. Holistically. Offensively, and probably clubhouse as well, I would probably contribute a little more. I'm a great leader. I hit all the big shots you need me to hit. He's like a coach. You're a better shooting guard than point guard. Yeah. Much better shooting guard. I'm a shooting guard. You're a lazy defender, though. He's a very good, my favorite team. That's how I know you're probably actually good at shooting. My favorite is when we're on the same team, and I get to be the point guard, and he gets to be the shooting guard. He's your favorite shooting guard to have. When you're playing a game, he's your favorite shooting guard to have, because he can pass, but he can also create a shot as well. Let me ask you a question. You know how you play games up to 11? Threes are worth two. Have you ever scored all 11 points in the game, the 5-on-5 game? I've done that. I've done that like four times, probably. Yeah, I mean, I can't say that a half. And I'm not even that kind of player, but it's very common in those games up to 11 that I'll have eight. I'll have six. I'll never have just one. I'm a really great scorer. I'm so annoying on defense. You just hate me. I'm there. I might do the thing when it's time to check the ball, and I get off my man, and I'm just going at the other guy. I'm very annoying. Are there rules? Open the door. I'll check it out. No, never mind. Are there rules where, like, I remember one time a basketball player in the NBA, Jameer Nelson, came to my overnight camp, and he couldn't really even play because in his contract, he wasn't, like, are there rules that prevent you from playing pickup basketball or anything like that? We're independent contractors, technically, so we can really do whatever the fuck we want, other than fight for different promotions. We could wrestle, we can do jiu-jitsu, we cannot box for other promotions, but we can ball, we can skydive. There's nothing saying we can't. Is there a fighters' union? No. But do you feel like there desperately needs to be? I don't even really know what that means. That means that I think, and I don't even know either, but like you're saying, we're independent contractors. You have guns for hire right now, but all these other professional sports have unions that really protect because it's making so much money, and not to put Dana on the spot. I hear things being talked about a little bit here and there, and how it's just really behind the eight ball about, yeah, so. I'm lucky. I'm in the 1% of people that are actually making money, so it's, and I feel, like, I earned it. I got to where I'm at. I fought for the 12 and 12, the 20 and 20. I fought for those, like, to get to where I'm at. But it's, like, it's hard. I get UFC's perspective sometimes, too. It's, like, these guys that are their first fight in the UFC, they have, like, no one knows who they are. There's no one that's tuning into the fight to watch them fight specifically, and they want to make $150,000 to fight. It's, like, so I get business side of UFC. I also get the fighter side because I've been through it, and it's a brutal sport. Did Dana White, he invent UFC? He bought the UFC when it was going down. Why was it going down? Because it was just so frowned upon. It was illegal in most states. Most people were, like, you're going to watch two guys fight in a cage? Like, it wasn't, like, this popular thing. And how'd he change it? He's, like, a marketing genius. Threw a lot of money at it and then built this reality TV show around it called The Ultimate Fighter. Oh, yeah, I've heard of that. Almost the game didn't change, right? No, no. It's just people changed their perception of the game? 100%. Dana White, I think, is one of the biggest marketing geniuses of all time. I have no idea what the answer to this is, was Joe Rogan a part of any of the marketing genius of the upstart of UFC? He was a, so Joe first started. He's a commentator. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe Rogan, well, when he first started, first started working for the UFC, he did it for free. Early 2000s, late 1999, whatever it was. And he was, like, interviewing fighters backstage, and he did it for free because he was in love with the sport. Yeah. And then he started commentating and I don't think he, I think people really enjoyed his commentary on it because he was kind of explaining what was happening, and so I think he had an impact in that sense. I don't know about marketing. Is he the fighter? Joe Rogan, he did, like, kickboxing, taekwondo. You ever sparred with him? No, he's old. He's, like, 60. Did he fight? He did taekwondo when he was younger, and then he, I think he has a black belt in jiu-jitsu, so he knows. But, like, just as like, does he, like, love you? I've done his podcast three times. I think he, I mean, I think he likes me. Does he love you, though? You know what's funny about that is I had a, kind of, made this thing after my fights. He's like, I fucking love you, Joe Rogan. Like, there's, like, six fights in a row where I did that. Oh, really? Because when I broke my foot in my second fight, I was laying on the ground after the fight, and he came over to me and interviewed me while I was laying on the ground with my foot broken, and I was like, I fucking love you, Joe Rogan. And I kind of started this thing. So it's funny you ask if he loves me. I don't know. I love him. I said, I love him. I think he did say, I love you too, man, one time. You're worried that he might have said it too much that he might be hurt. He's like, all right, he's good. Which is fine. When you're training for a fight, like, do you, like, like, you know, so who's the guy, who's the guy you're about to fight? What's his name again? What's the guy's name? Eamon Zahabi. He's from Canada. I can't say that name at all. You're gonna beat the shit out of him. Are you thinking, you're thinking about his face, like, how many you're thinking about his face every day, right? Like, you're picturing him when you're training. You're, like, picturing him, like, you really In a sense, there's, there's, there's a little bit. Not, not fully. You're not waking up thinking about this guy, like, just subtly in the back of your mind, that man that's also on the other side of the world training for the same event where he's supposed to meet up with you and beat the fuck out of you. To an extent. Yeah. Like, there's, there, you find motivation, you find some inspiration from thinking of, like, okay, this motherfucker's training, but it's, like, just focusing on yourself and doing what you need to do each session is, I get more out of that than thinking about what he's doing or thinking about him at all. But I, I've been pretty, I would, I don't know if it's, I've had a lot of, a lot of fights, but there's even still people that, at the highest level, freak themselves out. They don't even want to know about their fight for six weeks. Really? They want a short notice fight? Do you, do you think you need, like, do you need social media so you can, like, antagonize the guys? Like, don't they antagonize, there's so much. There's people, you know who's actually done really good at that is Jake Paul. Yeah. In the boxing stuff. He's, like, very, he's been very good at, like, making fun of people in a sense, like, building these fights, hyping these fights up. But you're not that type of guy. I, I did a little bit, and earlier on in my career, but lately it's, like, it's so weird. I've been off social media for a year and a half almost now, and it's, like, I don't think about, I, and I don't, and I actually don't like this about myself. I used to think about creating content more, and I, and I really do enjoy creating content. content we still create it but i'm not thinking about it nearly as much because i'm never on it i don't see anything yeah but i and i feel like i used to looking back at my old social media when i was coming up i was motivated by money and like fame when i didn't have it and i was able to create this content that i feel like built my brand and now that i'm not on social i feel like i'm not creating that same content i kind of feel guilty in a sense but i'm also like not being off social is such a different level of peace of mind yes i don't have the anxiety you get just like surfing it's like you never feel fucking good when you're on your phone you don't feel good comparison is the thing for joy it's for sure such a true fucking quote it gets said all the time but it's such a good one that it's like i don't feel dumb repeating like it's so it's yeah it really is like you know what i have i'm gonna go get this thing that i have this feeling that i agree with all of you let's go i have it's my uh your whistle yeah i have an appreciation whistle that but you still spend a lot of time on social media i keep forgetting to wear the whistle if i put on padding uh-huh and i put on like three layers of padding they have headgear no if i put on like padding right now and you punched me at like 20 would it destroy me no and again i never i've never been someone who thinks it hits hard yeah i hit fast like i think i think what i think our definition of hard is like just that little thing you did to the back of my head i'm still thinking about i'm sure you can still feel it i do hit hard but i hit i'm more of like a speed guy check he doesn't hit real hard i don't hate that hard it's more of a speed do you think though you would hurt benny like if he had padding on if yeah it depends on thick the padding has three of those normal paddings what normal pad oh let me just show you i got it okay i got my appreciation whistle hold on hold on give me another one so three i might do harder no no no no hi guys dave here and i'm here to talk about david is this your own company it's not my company i've actually never had a protein bar in my life this would be my first oh you're in luck i've never tried it i have to say it's really good and then i look at the back and i think oh my god only 150 calories i love this thing i totally love it this tastes just like cookie dough and protein is valuable muscle muscle it's really good and you know what what david is available at walmart stores nationwide and on walmart.com you can try a single bar for only $1.99 and you can get a free protein bar for only $2.97 $2.97 wow good man wow ufc history is going to go down this sunday at that white house you know they're going to have men they're going to have an octagon you're going to have sean o'malley who's here today but you know pretty soon he's going to be stepping into the octagon to take on amon's a hobby in the bantamweight matchup that you absolutely cannot miss now that i've met sean i'm nervous yeah it's you know we want him to i think we want him to win i don't want anybody to get hurt and i don't want anybody to get punched actually we're neutral i don't want anybody to kick and i just want everybody to shake hands you don't even want to see combat i don't want to see combat i want to have a nice little talk i got news for you there's going to be combat ufc at the white house this sunday only on paramount plus.com you got to go five percent oh no because then five is like this i gotta do it enough where you feel wait till i clear just in case ribs fly let me see what 10 is i don't this is so much padding i don't know if i feel everything you're doing should i do left hand or right uh uh please should i give you a countdown or i just want to see what these feel like like get a little bit harder harder you might not even feel that bad okay that's decent oh my god nice i felt yes i felt it out of your mind i'm not like whoa okay one might have hurt one one might have hurt did it hurt you i mean i think he was just stunned by what was happening you are that is i don't feel amazing but like that was cool yeah i i was not expecting one would have been no no no no one are you kidding me that was like 70 that was a decent little nice shot nice shot that was so did you see me fly back i guess i didn't realize that you were gonna like move yeah what do you mean i was getting this guy's like one of the best fighters you should let me kick you no no no no no you can kick kristen no i won't kick i won't talk do you want to get kicked i'm dripping no i actually can't kick it's so hot in here no you just got okay did it look cool does it did it look cool yeah i mean you almost broke through the glass i mean i they have it all on the real cameras you know but i have it here and i kind of didn't really tell you when it was coming which was kind of nice yeah and i didn't really get too much hip into it i can't believe you're in pain always yeah i guess i don't know i'm in pain and i just i just work out you're not beaten yeah but when you work out all the time you're just in pain just from the workout even from being sore and all yeah i do pilates and walk and i'm not in pain yeah girls typically i feel like you're just my hips i always have to open so much it's the cracking for me like my knees crack when i stand it's just i don't think that's bad though well should we should we do friends on three would you would you like just punching him in the face real quick i'm not a violent person by any means either i don't like fun i don't like i just want to just give you one small shot don't do it hard dave i won't last time i threw a punch was like 10 years ago i punched my friend's butt and i fractured my wrist oh wow you have a good fight what did you break your hand no oh we really appreciate him we really appreciate you coming today i appreciate it on three one two three oh was that a good one you know what one time bradley martin you know bradley martin no we're big giant jack guy he uh we're at the club one i'll kind of turn it up let me give the body shot and i flexing him as hard as he could and i was like oh nice shot and i walked away bro he won't he's a big 265. his was not good right no that was bad but you can't he's got a big fight coming up yeah i know i want to be easy thank you so much for coming thank you i appreciate it i'm rooting for you i appreciate it i'm here for you every time i really appreciate it i want to come play pickleball dude anytime yeah i want to play yeah i want to come here just show me your number show me his pickleball yeah let me show you so cool he's like four of them you you you you you you by FanDuel Prediction Markets, LLC. 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Key Points:

  1. Sean O'Malley is a professional MMA fighter known for his aggressive style, unique personality, and strong connection to his fans through social media and branding.
  2. He has a deep personal connection to music, particularly 6ix9ine, whose influence is reflected in his appearance and attitude, and he credits the experience of fighting during the pandemic with shaping his career.
  3. O'Malley emphasizes mental discipline, physical conditioning, and self-defense knowledge, including jujitsu, and believes in strategic preparation over brute force, while openly discussing his emotional and physical struggles in the sport.

Summary:

Sean O'Malley is a seasoned UFC fighter known for his fiery personality, strategic mindset, and deep connections to culture, including music and self-defense. He credits his early life in sports and a turning point at age 16 in Arizona—where he was repeatedly beaten but built confidence—to his rise in MMA. O'Malley emphasizes mental resilience, physical discipline, and preparation, noting that his approach to fighting combines speed, strategy, and mental toughness.

He shares personal experiences, such as losing the title to Merab Dvalishvili and later fighting him in a rematch where he tapped out, but remains confident in his ability to succeed. He discusses the physical and emotional toll of weight cutting, training, and the challenges of maintaining mental focus. O'Malley also reflects on his lifestyle, including his family, children, and values, and expresses a desire to stay involved in the sport while maintaining a balanced life.

His training includes jujitsu, and he believes submission-based self-defense is essential. He is also passionate about pickleball and community building, emphasizing his role as a mentor to younger fighters. Notably, he advocates for a fairer fight weight system, where fighters weigh in right before entering the octagon, to ensure fairness and reduce health risks.

His upcoming fight at the White House, a historic event, highlights his visibility and growing influence in mainstream culture, where he is seen not just as a fighter but as a cultural figure. Despite the physical demands of the sport, O'Malley remains driven by a deep love of the game and a commitment to personal growth.

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Sean emphasizes speed and strategic game planning, often using a southpaw stance. He believes in submissions like chokeholds and liver shots as effective self-defense, and he practices jujitsu to improve his ability to control opponents.

He loses weight through strict dieting and water loading, dropping from 160 to 135 pounds over several weeks. This process includes intense calorie deficit, hydration, and salt restriction, which he finds extremely physically taxing.

Yes, Sean is set to fight at the White House on June 14th, marking a historic event. The fight is part of a celebration of 250 years of American freedom and features a main event between Ilya Teporia and Justin Gaethje.

Sean was the UFC bantamweight champion in August 2023, defending the belt before losing it in June 2024. He has lost twice in his career, both in high-stakes title fights, but remains motivated to reclaim his status.

Sean practices jujitsu regularly and believes it is the most effective form of self-defense. He uses it to learn submission techniques and has his daughter training in the sport, showing his deep commitment to the discipline.

Yes, he is known for his unique style, outspoken personality, and deep connection with fans. He shares personal struggles, training routines, and insights into the sport, building a strong fan base through authenticity and transparency.

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