The Scientist That Scanned Beneath The Pyramids [Exclusive Interview]

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And Cosmos coming at second generation, which is an Italian company. affiliated to the Italian Space Agency. So we have a lot of equipments, a lot of radars, and we use the data produced by these satellites to perform the scanning on JISA. And so radar backing up is just bouncing radio waves off of physical objects. Synthetic aperture radar is a way to do that with finer resolutions, essentially. And so how does that work exactly? I have to tell you this. That is very important because initially when we announced this discovery, there was a lot of mess in terms of scientific information. So misunderstanding, a lot of misunderstanding. Radar, synthetic aperture radar cannot penetrate the Earth. So electromagnetic waves, has also, has only superficial interaction. According to the Maxwell theory, according to the past physics, classical physics, the interaction of electromagnetic wave is superficial. Maybe you can have a bit of penetration, but very, very few centimeters of penetration. In this case, we have used, we have developed a new technique, which we are able to detect the superficial vibrations of the Earth. Why? Because vibrations penetrates the Earth. It means that photon and phonon and phonons, which is the quantum of light, of electromagnetic waves, and the quantum of vibrations, so photon and phonons, are separated by something called boundary. It means that light propagates only in the free space and not in the matter. Phonon propagates only in the matter and not in a free space. So in order to combine these two, we have, we tried and we successfully combined the two informations given by the photon and by the photon. Where we have both of them, try to guess where we have both of them. In the intersection. At the boundary. At the boundary, we have the information of the photons and the phonons. We have the interaction of them. And there, we were able to retrieve the so-called sufficient statistic in order to perform tomographic inversion. And so to go deeply inside the Earth. So this is something that we have developed two years ago. And this is new. And at the beginning, people were not, you know, it was something new. So it had to pass some time in order to realize that this was possible. - Is something penetrating the Earth? So in the case of radar, like you said, it's reflecting off the Earth's surface. It's pretty much superficial. What else is penetrating the Earth to even gather the data on the structures? - I'll tell you this. The satellites flies in the space on a velocity of approximately seven kilometers per seconds. It means that in one second, the satellite has flight, flow, seven kilometers. Then, this high speed, this high velocity, permits the radar to synthesize a very generous Doppler bandwidth. Doppler, it means that the electromagnetic waves that we transmit and receive are frequency modulated by the movement of the Earth. If the Earth vibrates, because of the presence of seismic waves, the presence of vibration due by the cities, the presence of vibration due by any natural phenomena occurring on the Earth while we are observing it by the radar, it means that the Earth is moving. And if this movement performs a frequency modulation on the return at the signal. - Yeah. - So this frequency modulation is proportional to the vibration. - Yeah. - The vibration of the Earth. And this vibration that is located on the boundary has all the information of the vibration present below the Earth. According to this, it was possible to perform an algorithm that realizes tomography. Tomography, it means I look inside. Tomos in Latin, it means slice. - Mm-hmm. - Okay? So we can scan the Earth according to slice that are located below the Earth. The slice, imagine to uncharge or to extract a vibrational slice from below the Earth. And here you can see everything concerning the energy vibration on a certain depth. So phonon, which is vibration, converts to photon, which is basically a light packet, which is the unit of an electromagnetic wave. The frequency modulation then goes to the satellite and allows you to read vibrational differences in the Earth, which is obviously kind of correlated with material differences under the Earth. And you can figure out the structure underneath the Earth. Is that correct, roughly? - Yes, yes. - Okay, that's very interesting. And I think to maybe the skeptic out there, I imagine this is used in other cases, right? Like this isn't just used for scanning underneath the pyramids. Has this been used in commercial industry, in defense, anything else? - As you know, on American Alchemy, we cover a lot of technology that goes beyond human limits. This is about technology that helps the body catch up and feel good. I'm talking about the iRestore LED Face Mask, a red light therapy system that uses clinical-grade wavelengths to boost skin cell energy production. 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And from 1948, this volcano is not smoking anymore, so it is accumulating energy. - Oh, wow. - And we know that, I'm not saying that tomorrow will erupt, I'm not saying this, but it has to be monitorised. I tell you, Italy is very, here in Italy, we are focused on depth of the volcano. It means that it is very under attention. There are a lot of in-situ seismograph radars are using the so-called interferometry, which measures the displacement of the Earth, are always, also I do it on my work, it is always under attention. This other method can help scientists study volcanoes absolutely yes wow i mean i think it's very important for people to hear that this method is used in business context when money is on the line or in the case of mount vesuvius so that another pompeii doesn't happen you know lives are on the line yes so this is a tried and true method doppler tomography because it's really funny man like even in preparing for this interview you can chat gpt you know you're finding under the coffer pyramid the response you get back is synthetic aperture radar can't penetrate below you know a quarter of a centimeter below the earth they don't even mention the doppler tomography which is used in all these other contexts so it's just bizarre like like i don't know why i don't know why either man it's uh yeah okay so that's really helpful that it's used constantly and i think it's important for people to understand your background as well you do some work with the italian military that's classified you can't even speak about it right so it's clearly useful to them because they don't want anybody talking about it should i not even be asking about that okay i'm just saying the fact that you do it are you not supposed to say okay sorry i mean in the u.s like you can say like i do work i just can't talk about it but you don't even want to say that you do the work okay okay forget it um what was your motivation in the first place to even look below the pyramids you know how you know did you have a hypothesis or did you have a hypothesis like i mean most people wouldn't even think that there might be something there yes thank you for this question and the first thing i did is to move on vesuvius because i had in uh in my uh consciousness to make something for humanity so the first thing is okay let's see what is happening what is happening happening um under the universe and i wrote a paper it was very very nice paper and together also with the national research council of italy because we we um we we have synchronized the data coming from in situ seismograph with the radar data and match them together was i suggest to read that paper is very nice it is open source also everything is open source and here i can say it's in it's it's in my article or not it's in my book it's in my article so and then after writing this or something no money only for humanity and continuing this paradigm only for humanity according to my friend in 2019 corrado malanga we decided to do something concerning if it was possible to scan inside the knum kufu or chaos pyramid and then we made the motivation the motivation was because giza is i think the archaeological the best archaeological site in the world there are a lot of things that in my personal opinion has to be discovered and we are doing it so we move there because we were motivated very motivated to move in jesus because jesus is very important for humanity and you you go for the past no who we are who are we because in my best opinion people when they born we don't know who we are we are here and we don't know anything about our past our history and who we are truly and it really egypt is the center of the debate if you if humans have collective amnesia and we don't remember who we are egypt is the center of the epicenter of that kind of discussion because you have people on the one hand like robert bevall and graham hancock and robert shock who since the 90s have been saying very interesting things about you know possibly limestone damage on the sphinx and you know a lot of these structures possibly being dating back to you know pre what we think of as kind of you know the egyptian kingdoms talking about their mapping to you know processions and to you know to to orion's belt at the time of 10 500 when they think maybe the sphinx was built and you have subterranean chambers in that area as well you have zahi was the minister of culture famously debating them and trying to suppress a lot of this information but admitting that there are some chambers down there he even went down in certain cases and then it's often you know nothing to see here don't don't dig further you know so it is it is this and then if you think about western civilization the greeks got a lot from the egyptians and the egypt you know pre-egypt you have sumeria you have a couple of other cultures we know less about but egypt was far more advanced than a lot of you know what was preceding it and so it's this really interesting seminal place to look i think i agree with you in my bathroom you know they were they were far far advanced with respect to others we can see it how they used to cut the stones very precisely like that i don't know if you you went in i went for the first time in the serapel of sakara that's something very amazing you see these huge how you say not sarcophagus they are so let's call them sarcophagus but they are not sarcophagus it was very precisely very heavy and so the the first thing i i can say how they built them how they transported them down in that site we don't know anything about yeah things yeah yeah it's um taking you know uh courts from 500 miles away you know it's we don't know that how that works we don't know how you get also today it's it's a problem to transport those heavy masses right all all this all that distance from a part to another even today it would be hard and we're talking about you know 10 20 30 ton stones that it's it's just and and they do in some cases look like they were laid or something they were like even modern you know uh techniques of civil engineering wouldn't be able to recreate you know some of these things so it's just it's just really amazing like do you have for example like a civil engineering technique for example like the pyramids do you have a good theory on how they were built very very interesting question personally my own theory i don't have my own theory on to saying how they were built this those huge structures and just to tell you two weeks ago i went for the first time in egypt so i i appreciate in in in person and those the pyramids i went inside the pyramids and i was very amazing for the first time how they built those huge structures i don't know really i don't know and you know before uh the study that we did that we did so i'm saying this for me people maybe people used to to to ask in their self how they could realize those huge structures you know the technology the technology that they used to to to use for for this these pyramids and if we consider also the structure that that is underneath what can i what can we say about this the structure underneath what can i what can we say about this hmm what do you think what can we say i don't know yeah really i don't know because uh armando mai who you've collaborated with has some interesting ideas as to maybe the function of these these pyramids yes armando we speak about this every day with armando with corrado and we we speak also with christopher dunn that has a lot of theories you know about energy plants or other kinds of purposes about the pyramids in my personal opinion now is time to stay all together and work on a common purpose but i think we have to go and see in person what there is underneath i think christopher dunn's ideas are fascinating that it's some sort of solid state electron generator and it can uh sort of it has wave guides for microwave transmission and you know maybe it was you know hydrogen generator or something it's a it's really interesting and i don't know what to make of it but it seems very rigorous and smart in terms of like the way he thinks about it um do you think there's something possibly there because you have his work preceding the scans that you found yes where he's hypothesizing all of this stuff and then you essentially find what looks like an energy grid it looks like coils wrapping around these sort of charged possibly charged or something that's what it looks like yes i thanks a lot christopher dunn because he endorsed our research so i am very thanked to him because i knew him in person in person he's really wonderful wonderful person and so i thank him yes i i agree with him because i think he was the the first person that gave this theory about the energy power plan or something related to information let's say information you have a very fascinating hypothesis as to what the pyramid or theory as to what the pyramid actually was well my first book pretty much describes what i thought it was uh in 1998 which was a power plant the book is entitled the giza power plant i described it as an electron harvester and i agree with him what can i say personally personally i can say that this structure the tubes that are going below the earth the pyramid are something related to information information from the stars i can't say anything about this why why do you think information information information because also generating energy is a kind of information information is everything i tell you and in all this technical compound there is my personal opinion an actor that it is always present you know what it is what water water water is the principal actor that is related to all these structures what role why do you say that what role does water play in the parents water when flows maybe let's say on the on the pipes like that it generates a certain information in terms of a vibration that is very precise because water is the an important stuff of life that is present on the earth very a lot you know the earth is full of water we are water and so the pyramids and the water are connected together and when you say generates information i tell you yeah you know that we are made of water 80 percent or something i think more maybe more it depends on how you are watching your percentage i tell you in terms of mass of the molecules i agree with you 80 but in terms of moles it means number of molecules we are 98 or 99 percent well it means that the one percent of number of molecules are have the weight of the 20 percent that you said before okay in terms of number of out of molecules that is composed our body we are 99 percent of water h2o yes wow yes so that's that's very important it's extremely interesting yeah wow if you are seeing it in terms of mass okay that one percent of molecules has the mass of the 20 percent of all the entire water composing my my my body so 80 percent 20 percent in mass 99 and one percent in terms of number of molecules and that's because of this power law where there's yeah how does that work exactly so you have the the the mass has less number of molecules than the water. The water has more molecules. The 1% of number of molecules, it means that they have a great weight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So the proteins, the, I don't know, other things that are composing our body. Yeah. That is 1% in terms of moles. Yeah. Number of molecules. It's interesting because there are all these studies. There's a guy named Gerald Pollack who talks about. I suggest to read the studies of Giuliano Preparato and Emilio del Giudice, which were two former professors at the University of Milan. What do they talk about? Yes. They were the scientists that worked together to Fleshman and Pons. Ah, yeah. So Fleshman and Pons, for the audience who might not be aware, were proponents of cold fusion. Yeah. So like low energy. Low energy nuclear reactions. And they claimed all these over unity results. And then I think maybe they were sabotaged and, you know, maybe some scientific suppression occurred. Who knows? But so, oh, so, so, so they had a connection with Fleshman and Pons. 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Because when I asked you, you know, how should we look into water, you mentioned these two Italian scientists, and then you mentioned the cold fusion thing. Yeah, absolutely. It is very important. Cold fusion. Cold fusion is, I'm not interested in cold fusion, but I'm very passionate. I have a passion in cold fusion. When two hydrogen atoms are connecting together, and they transform in a. helium atom, releasing energy, because a helium atom has a weight less than two hydrogen atoms. So by different mass, they generate energy in terms of electromagnetic waves. This kind of, let's say, union can be done, or forcing the atoms together, or persuading them to be naturally connected. That's cold fusion, is the second. You have to find a method to persuade, to convince the two atoms to go together naturally, without forcing them. That's cold fusion. Hot fusion is the first one, but I tell you that hot fusion, the various tokamak that they are designing, or other kind of hot fusion, given by pumping energy, designing very powerful lasers. Lasers, magnetic confinement, yeah. I can tell you personally, that is the energy of the future. Mm. It means. it means that we'll never find the present. Mm. What do you mean? Well, if that's the. They don't work. It doesn't work. It's the energy of the future. Ah, hot fusion. No, I agree. I don't know, it'll always be of the future. I fully agree, because. And it's extremely hard to make it work. And basically, for the audience, controlled fusion is the holy grail. We only have fusion in the form of hydrogen bombs right now, which is obviously a very dystopian thing. And with tokamak receptors, it feels kind of like a fool's errand or almost self-defeating because of the amount of energy input to make the thing in the first place. And it is very high energy. And so there's all these lore rumors of cold fusion. I'd say Pons and Fleischmann are probably the most credible of the rumors. I think so, yes. Yeah. And that would be this groundbreaking thing because if you had an over-unity reaction with low energy input, it's like paradigm shifting for humanity. It's free energy. And what do they find at Fleischmann and Pons and also Giuliano Preparata and then you, the giudice after, was? How can we persuade two hydrogen atoms to go together? Because there are the atomic forces that the most, you confine those atoms and they will never go together. Yeah, you have Coulomb's force, which is repulsion, electron repulsion. So how do you. Persuade them. Okay. How do you do that? Like, where are two people that they do not connect? Talk to each other, no? No, I don't want to talk to you. Yeah, yeah. So maybe a third person comes here and persuades you and me to talk together. Ah. And that third person was the atom of palladium. Palladium is a special, let's say, material that it's able to persuade two atoms of hydrogen to go together and become. Magically, an atom of helium. And the fusion reaction is done by palladium. Okay. And also electricity. So deuterium, palladium, electricity, and electricity. And this recipe allows the cold fusion. There was problems about the quantity, the amount of. Yeah. The amount of energy, you know, that was very little. But if the research from the '80s to now were performed, maybe today we can have better results with respect to the '80s, when the first experiment of Fleschmann and Pons was announced. Please give me another question. I don't know. What was their. I'll. My. Close. The more. The more specific question would be when you were talking about water transferring information. Yes. Where does that leave us as far as what it could be? Like, is there. In my personal opinion, it could be. But I say it. Is there any evidence that palladium was involved in. We don't know. As I tell you, you have to go down and see and explore what is in really that jitsa. What's a jitsa? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. It can't be tombs. I don't know. Well, I think that it's funny, like, it used to be conventional dogma that they were all tombs. Now you have. You had Graham Hancock for the last 30 years being like, "It's not a tomb." Now people are like, "Okay, maybe it's not a tomb." And so it's slowly, slowly following, you know. Do you think that mapping to Orion's belt around 10,500 BC, there's something somehow important with that? Because if you. Basically, it's. Yeah. Basically, yeah, they do map to Orion's belt. Orion's belt plays a very important role in a lot of different traditions, even like Ptolemy, you know, said that the soul's path was through Orion's belt. I asked Graham Hancock on my show, I said, "What do you think the pyramids were for if they weren't tombs?" And he gave me a very trippy answer. He said something about, you know, ascending through them, like once maybe a pharaoh has died, they're buried there. And then it's like an ascension portal or something. When it comes to the pyramids themselves lining up with Orion's belt, Orion's belt has always, across many cultures, been the place of ascension of souls. Absolutely, it is here in North America, and in Central America, and in South America, the path of souls. That idea that on death, we, our soul makes a kind of leap up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky Way. And that that journey is for us. That journey is full of challenges and difficulties on which we will be assessed for the use we made of the incredible gift of life. That idea is found all over the world. Do you, have you considered any of these things, or? My bad, Solovino, no. Yeah. No. There is something, the jibzar has to be something that is related to give a better life of the people at the time, living there. So maybe an energy power plant, something related to chemical, something related to, I don't know, mining, something like that, but, or a combination of everything. So there is something that is related to make better living people there. And speaking of water, aren't there rumors of a water table also? Yes. Below the cosmos? Below the copper pyramid? Yes. Below the copper pyramid, there is water. Absolutely, yes. Because we found water in the, in the Osiris shaft at minus 33, 37 meters approximately, I don't remember precisely, there is water. But I have to, in my personal opinion, I have to say this, water can not be everywhere. Maybe we find water in the Osiris shaft, we move a bit on the left or on the right or on the north. Maybe we find water in the south and there is not water. So it's not mathematical, mathematical that we find water everywhere in Jitsa. That's the first thing. Then I will explain you what the CAFRE research project is moving on, because it's related to the water. Yeah. Because as I told you, water is the principal actor of Jitsa. Yeah. Well, but before we get to that, I want to give you a little bit of information. All right. All right. All right. I want to give you one, one more, like the skeptics say you can't go that deep. With Doppler tomography, we can definitely go a thousand meters deep, a kilometer deep. It's possible or. Absolutely, yes. And we have in other cases. Because vibrations are traveling inside the limestone and two, I don't remember, 2.5 kilometers per second, something like that. Okay, well. Sorry if I make a mistake because I don't remember precisely, but the order is that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the image that went viral all over the internet of the coils and this like, you said four by four, you know, 16 pillars, energy grid, the other critique. Four plus four, not times. Ah, so eight. Plus four. Oh, so eight pillars. No, all good. So eight pillars, you know, in this shape of an energy grid. Yes. You have Sabina Hossenfelder is this physicist. Sabina. She makes this video. She is very nice. She was nice. And she was, I think, pretty open-minded in her video. But at the end, she said, I think that the AI reconstruction of the image is taking liberties because basically for the audience, you have tomography scans. So that's the raw data. And then you have what went viral all over the internet, which is these image reconstructions. That's the pillars with the perfect coils that everybody's seeing. So it's beyond my expertise. Like, do you. Think that that's a faithful rendition of what you actually measured, the, the pillars with the coils. The shape is that the shape of the doppler tomography was recasting a spiral form. So we can't say that are, I don't know, copper coils or they are what we can't understand. We can't understand is this. We can't. Understand that maybe can be, I don't know, stairs that are going down or I don't know. It's, uh, they are cables that are going down. What we understand this, they have, it is something that has a spiral nature. Yeah. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolytes, zero sugar and vitamins. What propels you. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed sponsored jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications and more. Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes. Listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit at Indeed.com/podcast. That's Indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. But are you like 100%? sure it's man-made not it's we couldn't naturally 100 yes it's man-made yeah this are there this like i can because you don't find things in nature that coil perfect and perfect you know okay okay so that's easy to say definitively you never see anything in any of your other sub surface scans that look anything like that no no no absolutely okay and then it's a question of what's the material and you know but you feel like you have some decent resolution you think that it is these circular pillars yes something wrapping around it for sure it is hard to say which kind of material it is or for now maybe if we have hundreds of tomographies with a ground truth we can also understand the acoustic fingerprint and maybe we can move into material recognition and that's what we are working now because we we like to move this technique for mining now today mining is very important also united states or other countries we need rare earth materials we need the gold today gold is very important no we we see the gold price going up every every day why because in this moment the technology is uh explode exploding we need rare earth materials for our devices because there is ai because there is i don't know nvidia that has to build a lot of sorry by same same nvidia or other other companies the graphic cards that are very powerful so we need a rare earth material so now we are moving further maybe in in some years we will be able to know which kind of material we are dealing but now not i'm not ready so what we can say is okay that uh in that part of uh of the tomogram we have high vibrational energy and there we have lower vibrational energy the depicting the pixels we can represent that the underneath has a spiral mesh but we can't understand the type of material and the the ai reconstruction for the image are you using generic software or your own no my own software not ai okay oh it's your own software yes yes and and that your own software you use that in other contexts when you use absolutely yes sar doppler tomography in the scientific community is called that a scholar the pseudo inversion of measurements okay in order to retrieve a tomographic analysis it's called the pseudo inversion but but you you do this a lot over the course of a year yeah and you feel confident because you've in the other cases based on the software read in certain cases you probably can go down and verify what you're seeing and in those cases they usually check they usually check out they confirm what you see in the software uh you are speaking about validation yes okay yeah have you been validated in other cases we do we did a lot of validation experiments a lot of because as a scientist i have to validate you know how can i present my results like that no yeah it's not possible so uh you know that validating things is that are underneath is very difficult yeah to go down is difficult it's difficult yeah but it's not impossible yeah have you done it ever so this strategy that we have that we have made is this we know that there there is a structure where we know everything about it and in a certain depth okay let's move let's move there and we try to perform tomographic inversion there so to see if our results are matching with reality have you done those experiments yes okay have you done a lot of them echo that's another point it's another point of view uh three or four experiments okay i tell you it's very difficult to do sure so we did measurements of the grand sasso d'italia physical laboratory okay located inside the mountain it's 200 kilometers far from here and we depicted the laboratory okay that's our measurements and the reality how accurate no 100 percent they match 100 percent can can did you do a double blind so you didn't can you explain me double blind please yeah so the way i would do the experiment in order to prove that sarah doppler tomography is really effective is i would if i were you find somebody else who's a good practitioner of sarah doppler tomography and who can who can get the scans somehow i guess if it's you're using a satellite you're using a satellite so i don't know you know but like somebody who isn't aware like you that you're doing a test and you say okay get the tomography scans and do it you and then you create an image based on the tomography scans with your software yes and then see if that matches because you already probably know what the laboratory looks like i didn't do that yes yes it is important yes we have to do it yes but we didn't do it but it's still you've done your own scans and it lined up with what you saw and then okay so that's pretty yeah because i mean to me artificial intelligence is just pattern matching so the more data you have the more you're like okay i've mapped this and then i've also validated and seen it personally and myself physically measured it and it lines up if you have you know a lot of instances of that i think we can kind of say that there's definitely something here so i just want to tell you this yeah the rule of artificial intelligence in our technique okay there is no tool because we didn't use artificial intelligence okay it's funny people keep saying yeah let's forget artificial intelligence i i tell you how it works okay it works like that we have measurements okay yeah we have a model and i tell you what's the model and we we can if we have the measurements and we have the model we can pseudo inverse the model and so to retrieve the the the result okay the result are is tomography okay okay and it works like that works yeah measurements model results not artificial intelligence did the did the data just come from one satellite or from multiple satellites multiple satellites for the coffer absolutely and they both four satellites uh no or uh eyesight capella space umbra space cosmos climate four satellites all four yes wow and all four gave you the same raw tomography data i've got the results that's amazing that's really amazing it is the basic the basic things we cannot announce anything without these basics yeah yeah yeah scientific methods and you've and you've done four four or so instances of validation in other cases to show that structures that you are measuring actually look like what you think they do yes i i i don't know um we have measured also the the osiris shaft which is well known at the structure the structure is well known and the readings that you got in the synthetic aperture radar doppler tomography matched 100% wow okay so that's pretty good we don't have a double blind because i don't know what's the how deep down does that go uh 37 meters the last one and then but the osiris shaft goes down yeah it goes down for uh for a while i don't remember okay it's okay i don't remember i'm sorry no no no it's okay so that's fascinating i mean that gives me a lot of confidence that there's something there Filippo, what are the next steps of the CAFRA project? The next steps. We are moving to completing all the scanning. We are completing, we are nearly finished. We have nearly finished all the scannings. And now, we are working on dealing with Egyptian authorities in order to request some authorization to go in situ and do some measurements. Do you think that you'll get permission from the Egyptian authorities? Okay. You know. In Italy, we have this kind of saying like that, that is mixed with Latin. Chiedere humanum est, ottenere autem diabolicum. If I ask you something, if something is human, I can ask you something. But to obtain what I have asked you is another kettle of fish. So we are working on compiling a project proposal. Maybe the CAFRE research project can be at the center, so me, Armando and Corrado, and we can work together with a university. Let's say, University of Ferrara. And maybe other companies that physically can work on GIZO. So you want to get funding and work with an academic institution and then be able to. And do you think, because historically, and you saw it with Zahi Awas going on Joe Rogan, you know, very recently. I discovered, I discovered, I discovered, I discovered. You just have these people in charge who are close-minded, they're corrupt, their incentives are to basically force-fit any new finding into the country's own history. And if something involves any civilization predating that country, they're going to have an allergic reaction to it. So how do you get around that? I'm dealing with. I'm dealing with that a little bit, because I've done some stories in Peru, and they have their own ministry of culture, and they have gatekeepers as well, and it's extremely frustrating. And our mutual friend Jay has experienced that as well. So what, yeah, I guess, how do you get around that? How do you get around the politics? Good question. I went two weeks ago, as I told you before, I went in Egypt. I found a nice country. Nice, very nice people. I don't know if all of them are open-minded, but maybe yes. I found that they are very friendly, and they love the pyramids. They love the pyramids. We. In my personal opinion. We are not against them, but we are together. We are all together. It would be the best thing in the world for Egypt, for tourism, for national pride, if they found out that the pyramids had some elaborate substructure and some exotic functionality that we don't know of today. Today we don't know, but maybe in a couple of years, yes. It would be a groundbreaking discovery, a revelation. And it would be the best possible thing for Egyptian GDP in the world. It would be amazing. Like, I can't think of a better scenario for them. And I tell you, maybe these times, we are ready to do it. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah, who knows? I like that attitude. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, the water thing is so interesting. What do you think as far as. You say water has information. And what is that? I mean, obviously, there's a water table below the Khafre Pyramid. But why is that significant otherwise as far as the pyramid structure itself? What propels you? When you need to build up your team. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications, and more. Listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit at Indeed.com slash podcast. That's Indeed.com slash podcast. Need a hiring hero? Yes. Thank you for this question. It's important. Water table. Water table. While if the Egyptian authority will give us the authorization to go there in situ and make measurements, maybe make some cleanings on the existing facilities, we are not asking to go inside the pyramid. And I tell you. I tell you. Maybe we are asking to go on the Giza Plateau. Because on the Giza Plateau there are, I don't know, you remember when you went there, some existing shafts that are located between the Khafre Pyramid and the Sphinx. There are some shafts that are. That has. The entrance on the surface of the plateau. Okay. But when you go there, you can see that they are blocked by debris. So there is soil inside. And according to our scans, we are confident, very confident, that those shafts are connected to the underground facilities that are located below. So it is not necessary to go inside the pyramids. Because the pyramids are something a bit more complicated. It's something more complicated to have authorization. Maybe it can be simpler, it can be better to have authorization staying on the plateau, not going inside the pyramids. And there we can do a lot of things. Mm-hmm. The first thing that we can do. Is to perform in-situ measurements. So in-situ measurements campaign using seismic reflectivity methods. Okay. Okay. Not Doppler tomography, other methods. So maybe to see if they match with my methods. Mm-hmm. And in that context, we will be able to map very precisely the water level under the plateau. Mm-hmm. That's the first thing that in my personal opinion we can do. Then we can measure perfect and so match the in-situ measurements with my measurements, and see how the depth of the existing shafts that are located on the Giza plateau. The third step can be to clean those shafts. We can clean them because now they are blocked by debris. There is also the erosion. There are also other things like rubbish inside those shafts. So they has to be cleaned and cleaned. And while we are cleaning the shafts, we can go down, down and down and see what there is at the end of them. In our personal opinion, that's a service entrance, a secondary entrance that connects the depth facility to the main facility that is located. Well, we do like that. Boom. A beam shoots out of the top of the perimeter. That's so interesting. And I mean, does Dunn think that this is like a fusion generator? Does he think that we could produce over unity energy from it? Chris has a very clear idea, and I agree with him, that the Giza plateau is related to electricity or something that is very near. It's such kind of electron generator energy, electrons. And maybe it can be hypothesized this, as I told you, water is very important. Maybe the water goes through these spirals and the spirals are made by piezoelectric materials. Matisse. And while the water is flowing through the spirals, are exciting this piezoelectric material that generates electricity. Something like that. But it's only in apotheosis. You have to go there and check. Interesting. And is Dunn, is he interested in Pons Fleishman? We didn't talk about Pons Fleishman, about fusion reactors, about this, about that kind of stuff. But maybe the next time I will see him, I will ask him about this. Do these two Italian scientists you mentioned who were kind of adherents to Pons and Fleishman, do you think, do they hypothesize that the pyramids themselves have anything to do with nuclear fusion? Unfortunately, I don't know. Okay. Because now they voted, they disappeared, so. They disappeared? Yes. What happened to them? Oh, no, they are not with us anymore. Oh, they died. Yeah. Okay. But you said disappeared, I mean, not in a mysterious way. No, no. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. No, Emilio del Giudice, I think in 2014, 2015. Giuliano Preparata earlier. Okay, okay. In the beginning of the 2000s, something like that. They were very clever, yes. Armando Mai, who you have worked with and we just discussed for a little bit. Yes. He has very like esoteric ideas, it seems, like he talks about the number 237 and he talks about. 137, no? Oh, was it 137? Sorry. What profound mystery lies hidden behind this number? For what reason did Richard Feynman. The great quantum physicist of the last century, so stubbornly insist on suggesting to his fellow physicists that they should affix a small plaque bearing this number up on the walls of their laboratories and then meditate upon it every single day of their lives? Why did Leon Lederman, the 1988 Nobel laureate in physics, make a point of telling people he had lived in a house numbered 137? 137 in quantum physics is the ratio. The ratio between the speed of light and that of the electron orbiting the nucleus of the hydrogen atom. You surely haven't failed to notice the correspondence with the number found in the proportions of the second pyramid of Giza. Is it a coincidence? What do you make of his ideas and maybe for the audience, can you summarize them? Yes, Armando is a very, very nice person and a scientist also. He is convinced that the number 137 is related to, especially to Khafre pyramid, on the Khafre pyramid. Exactly, I don't know exactly his theories and I have his books, I have to read it and I have to study his books. But I think that I encourage him to go with his ideas. Because they are very interesting. Armando is a nice guy and he will do a lot of things with us. What do you think of, you know, Ben Van Kirkwyk? He just went on Joe Rogan's show and he talked about this large labyrinth underneath the Hawara region and he talks about Herodotus and Pliny the Elder and like past historical accounts of this large chamber. Yeah. I mean, all of this Hall of Records and these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back thousands of years. Like, I mean, just not just the Arabs, but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient, even than the pyramids. Do you think there's anything interesting there? In some portion of the Giza plateau, we found a mess in terms of tomographic reflections. Hmm. Really something like a network of underground tunnels that, because when you watch the tomography, you see everything projected on a plane. So it is hard to have the third dimension inside the depth. And yes, there are a lot of connections. The shafts that goes down are all interlocked. And it's difficult for us to make a precise reconstruction of what there is, what is connecting the main shafts that are very visible, one to each other. Hmm. Because he's claiming, I think the labyrinth is like a half a kilometer or maybe more, maybe a kilometer, like it's extremely big or something. What there is underneath there is very huge. Hmm. But in this context in, um, it was, I think Armando that, uh, me and Armando, uh, for Armando, I think, uh, said for the first time, that's the tip of the iceberg, the pyramids are the tip of the iceberg. It's just a hat to complete something that is located underneath. Ah, it's like a, a little cherry on top. Yeah. Yeah. The substance is below. The measurements are, are showing that. Hmm. So interesting. What else did you, so you mentioned finding these networks, you know, tunnels, and then obviously you have the coils under Khafre. Are there any other findings? In this case, I'm sorry, uh, I have to quote Chaita also, Trevor Grassi, Trevor, uh, because Trevor, uh, gave me for the first time, the indication on the shafts of the shaft people, uh. Um, uh, the shafts are located between the Khafre and the Sphinx, uh, because from there, you can find the entrance to the, to the underground, under, uh, under, under Khafre, uh, yes, because he's also, uh, making independent research. Uh-huh. And he found a bit far away, but, um, 100 meters far away from these shafts, uh, and he fa-, and he found a so-called corridor of rooms. Hmm. That from the surface goes underneath, uh, and then it connects, uh, um, the, the top to the bottom, and the bottom is, uh, constituted by a network of, uh, um, tunnels that are located, uh, underneath. Wow. Also, he is studying this, and he's 100% convinced that because he, he wants to go inside personally. Mm. In the, in the underground, uh, in the, um, uh, intercepting this, uh, network of tunnels. It's amazing. Is there anything that you've found besides the network of, of tunnels, like anything else you have this sort of? Ah, yes. Yeah. And I, and, uh, I told you, I told that these, these things, uh, on, uh, on the conference in Spoleto also, and also in Malta, um, we had a conference there. The, uh, structures, uh, that are, um, that we found in Khafre, we found that the same thing also in Menkaure, and also under the Sphinx. Whoa. Uh, yes. Absolutely, yes. You found the same thing. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In, uh, uh, not, uh, uh, four plus four, but in Menkaure, two plus two, a smaller version of these things, and in, uh, uh, under the Sphinx, only one cube going down. Mm. So, they are all connected. Mm. So, the, uh, Giza plateau is not constituted by the pyramids, that's Menkaure, that's Khafre, that's Cheops. No. It is something that has to be considered entirely. Yeah. It's a system. It's a network. It's a system. Or something. It's a system. It's so fascinating. What do you, like, how has academia received, you know, these findings? I have to be, uh, uh. Diplomatic. To give a, to give a, an answer to this, uh, giving an answer to this, academia is wonderful. Academia is very interesting because, uh. There are a lot of things that I learned, uh, thanks to academia. Uh, it has to be something, we have to be very diplomatic with academia. Because academia works, uh, you have an hypothesis, you make the measurements, and you explain why you had these measurements, and then you do comparison with the reality. And you explain the errors. So, this is a scientific, uh, paper. No? You start from an issue. realizzare i mesi, la realtà e gli errori, la realtà significa un stato d'arte, hai un'innovazione, il stato d'arte e gli errori, questa è l'accademia, quindi Propel Water Fitness con Gatorade Electrolytes, zero zucchero e vitamina, Propel idrati meglio che l'acqua per aiutarti a prenderti la maggior parte del tuo esercizio e tornare al tuo migliore di sé, cosa ti propongono? Propel con Gatorade Electrolytes e questo mi piace, perché sono 100% soddisfatto dell'accademia, perché è un'istituzione e è necessario studiare attraverso l'accademia, perché l'accademia ci dà un sacco di strumenti, strumenti matematici, strumenti scientifici e fisici che sono dietro le cose che facciamo, anche le mie tecniche vengono dall'accademia, perché ho studiato gli interi naturali dall'accademia e questo è molto importante, quando c'è qualcosa di nuovo dobbiamo essere attenti a annunciare le cose, quindi è nuovo e dobbiamo passare il tempo a come dici, a realizzare che le cose che stiamo chiamando possono essere valide o no dall'accademia, che io dico, quindi in questo momento stiamo lavorando su un paper scientifico, il paper scientifico è, diciamo, sotto rivoluzione, è una rivoluzione peer, sì solo una rivoluzione peer, bello, hai una linea di tempo su quando potrebbe essere accettato? Non voglio dire qualcosa perché è un po' è sotto rivoluzione, sì, sì, sì, e vediamo cosa succede, è spaventoso, vediamo cosa succede, beh, spero che ci sia una rivoluzione peer, direi che sarebbe molto spaventoso, non so cosa vuol dire, forse sarà recitata, non lo so, ma se sarà recitata dobbiamo dobbiamo sapere perché, sì, se sarà accettata o 100% ci sarà una revisione da fare, non lo so, se sei solo dicendo che questi sono i risultati, non so come potrebbe essere recitato, se stai dicendo abbiamo usato la tomografia di Doppler e tutti questi altri casi che involucrano la vita o la morte o casi di business commerciali normali, quindi è utile nel contesto di mercato libero dove le persone hanno la pelle nel gioco su essersi utile, e poi stai dicendo che abbiamo fatto casi di valutazione che funziona per andare all'interno di alcune cose che abbiamo misurato, e poi e poi stai dicendo che quattro diverse aziende di aperture sintetiche messe questa cosa e che hai avuto questi dati veri, e poi hai software che usi in altri contesti per creare immagini che invertiscono i dati veri in un'immagine, perché questo sarebbe regettato? Sembra super per me, non sono un genio, ma sembra molto semplice e semplice e ovvio. L'accordo con te, ma l'Accademia è molto ortodoxa, quindi hanno. Penso che siano ortodoxi a causa di ciò che tutti stanno dicendo sulle implicazioni di questo, perché circolare l'internet è tutti dicendo che è un grido di energia e che è divertente da speculare, e potrebbe essere vero, ma solo i risultati stessi sono i risultati, quindi non vedo come puoi regettare questo. Stiamo proponendo misure, vediamo cosa succede, non lo so. Sì, ho appena intervistato questo astronomo svizzero in Beatrice Villareal, è incredibile e è simile perché è tradizionalmente credenzializzata, come te, sai, è ben rispettata, è all'Università di Stoccolmo e è fisica e astrofisica, e è andata all'Observatorio Palomar, che è praticamente l'observatorio più prominente in uso a San Diego, in California, dal 1949 fino al 1957, quindi prima di Sputnik, prima dei satelliti in spazio, ha trovato tutti questi transienti che sembrano come questi misure, o come oggetti che riflettono luce, non sono stelle, non sono sfumature di sole, non sono niente di più, e sono pre-satelliti, e ha trovato… E dove sono stati locati? Questi transienti venivano da riflessioni solare a 42.164 chilometri dalla Terra o da qualche lontano lì avanti. È molto interessante. Sì, no, è vero. Quindi prima di Sputnik. Prima di Sputnik, sì, sì, sì, sì, e quindi sta cercando di trovare un altro osservatorio per vedere se può arrangiarlo, perché la gente ha detto che i luoghi che ha trovato sono disfunzioni di stelle, ma poi ha studiato questi transienti, questi oggetti che riflettono luce, e ha guardato nella sombra della Terra, quindi la sombra della Terra, sai, hai la luce che sguarda la Terra, e ha voluto vedere se c'era un sguardo in la sombra della Terra, e c'è stato un sguardo, mostrando che riflettono luce, che probabilmente sono oggetti fisici. Sì. Perché… Riflettono luce. Mi piacerebbe leggere su questo. Lo manderò a te. Sì. Ma è un altro esempio di… e questo è stato accettato da peer review. Ah, ok. E penso, sai, che il mio senso è che le persone attorno a lei hanno fatto tutto che potevano per toglierne i suoi sguardo. Tutto. E c'è… è strano. Non c'è nessuno che ha togliuto i suoi sguardo. Sabina Hossenfelder ha fatto un video e dice: "Non so cosa dire. Questo è interessante." Brian Keating, che è, sai, molto, sai, un fisicista ben costruito. Sì. Che solitamente gioca il lato sceptico, per essere sincero. Si è venuto fuori e ha detto: "Mi sembra molto interessante questo. Forse dovremmo cercare una corroborazione". Quindi è un momento straordinario in cui persone come Beatrice e te stessi si possono trovare queste cose, sai, boldi e incredibili e in realtà provare a ottenere un peer review. E spero davvero che si ottenga un peer review. A me, di nuovo, sono, sai, solo a pensare a questo semplicemente, ma mi fa molto senso. Non capisco perché si potrebbe regeggere. Sì. Sì. Sì. Per la mia opinione personale, abbiamo bisogno di molto tempo per la review, perché ti dico, nel 2022, non mi ricordo, 21-22, inizialmente pubblicavamo un lavoro di peer review che è online ora, ma il lavoro iniziale che abbiamo fatto sulla piramide di Cheops non aveva questo spazio di esposizione della media in tutto il mondo. Ora, con il secondo paper, so che l'editore del giornale dove abbiamo subito l'articolo sarà molto, non lo so, vediamo cosa succederà, non lo so. Sì, beh, sono entusiasmato. E penso che, se fossi io, proverei a mantenere i fondi così humili come possibili. Sì. E a dare una leggenda autentica di ciò che hai misurato. Sì. Perché penso che sia difficile di regeggere se lo fai. Penso che se inserisci alcune cose, stiamo divertiti a speculare, ma non inserisci nessuna di queste cose nella piramide. No, no, no. Solo la misurazione e i risultati. Sì, perché… Modello e risultati. Nella mia opinione, l'academia è miopica e sottile, e non molto sottile. Quindi, se lo fai, lo regeggeranno. Però, mantenelo super sottile, è il tuo modo, è il tuo modo di entrare. Beh, sono molto entusiasmato, ragazzi. Sono molto entusiasmato. Pensi che possiamo fare progresso nella nostra vita con una vera e vera comprensione di cosa sono le piramidi? Pensi che ciò che abbiamo scoperto attraverso il tuo lavoro, e forse anche il tuo lavoro di seguito, nel progetto Cofred, rinforzere la nostra comprensione delle piramidi e forse anche della realtà? Forse sì. Abbiamo bisogno di tempo per continuare a studiare. È importante dire questo. Il tempo è importante per rinforzare le idee che abbiamo, per consolidare le idee che abbiamo. Ti dico che la tecnica che stiamo usando ora è migliorando ogni giorno, anche in termini di. Precisione. Precisione e performance. Quindi la risposta è sì. Nella mia opinione. Sì, possiamo, forse, la prova finale è di andare lì e guardare. Sì. E vedere cosa c'è. Noi dobbiamo andare all'interno. Beh, spero che tu abbia avuto l'accesso a fare questo, perché penso che sia molto importante per il mondo capire sia il nostro passato, dal posto umanistico, sia l'umanità in un contesto specifico, ma anche tecnologicamente, chi sa cosa può rinforzare. Chi sa. Sai? Forse il 2026 sarà un anno in cui, se iniziamo ad eseguire l'esplorazione in sedo, sapremo davvero di più in termini di informazioni riguardo alle piramidi, rispetto al momento. Se saremo in grado di. fino alla fine di quest'anno, di subire alle autorità egiziane una proposta di progetto, con delle idee molto concentrate, on it so without going around so focused on specific topics in my personal opinion we will have an authorization why not why not why not well that's exciting if we have an authorization if if we will have an authorization maybe we can find excited exciting things who knows my prediction is you will find exciting things if you're given authorization so i think you know it's to me the more bigger question is will you be given authorization i think if you find if you get authorization i think you're going to find something very interesting underneath there because if you can't explain the way you described it the the just the hat or the the little you know the tip of the spear the tip of the iceberg and that is uh literally a world wonder like we don't understand all we don't understand how it's built there are debates about how it's built yeah if we don't understand that then and you're telling me that that's the tip of the iceberg and that there's this whole network underneath it oh my god i mean the the contribution to humanity and i i hope egypt is able to see just how special that is well you you have to promise to let me and jay come and film it you you will be you and jay will be the first to feel oh let's go yeah maybe we can get joe rogan out too well it's it's an honor and uh to speak with you hello also to jane yeah what's up jay project unity go check that out subscribe um yeah no i i'm i'm just so excited uh and it does feel like these sort of discoveries are speeding up i don't know why i think people are kind of waking up you know collectively to some of these ideas becoming more open-minded and um yeah thank you for being uh bold because i know you come from more of a you know a traditional engineering background yes and to be able to speculate about these things isn't so easy actually before we go we were before we were rolling yes and i have to tell you yeah yeah tell me yeah what we did yeah it is absolutely inside the scientific compounds because we did measurements yes that are scientifically approved so we didn't do nothing exotic yeah yeah maybe we need to do a double blind check has to pass time no but to me it's like using an electron microscope or mass spectrometry or something and just saying you know we found these isotope ratios and then people are like well what do you mean you found those isotope ratios well it's like we use this machine in a million other contexts they work and then here it works and we found a thing you're telling me that doppler tomography is used in all these other contexts effectively for commercial and you know i'm sure it's used for defense that's me speculating so it's like if that's the case what's why not yeah yeah why would this be any different like it's just an instrument that we know works in all these other cases so it's miraculous one other thing is we were before we were rolling we talked a little bit about this idea of extended electrodynamics and um scalar physics and some people hypothesized that uh some of these ancient structures involved kind of acoustic resonance but also um maybe maybe tap into a more exotic kind of version of electromagnetism than the typical transverse hertzian waves do you think that's possible have you explored that at all or i never explored explored this but it does it doesn't mean that i maybe i will never do it if you ask me what is a scalar wave i don't know i don't know i i i can't give you an answer because i never studied this kind of topic so but i am not saying that it doesn't that it does not exist yeah in my personal opinion all people academic not not not academics everyone we are we have to be open mind we I tell you this, we go in the past, in the 15s, 1915, maybe 1910, when an Italian scientist called Guglielmo Marconi, who invented the radio. We are now today with these nice things on the internet, thanks to Guglielmo Marconi. And this is what I'm saying. It is exactly the example that we are living today. But today we are saying this. Propel Fitness Water. With Gatorade electrolytes, zero sugar and vitamins. What propels you? Guglielmo Marconi wanted to perform a huge experiment. So, can I connect the Terranova Island with Cornovaglia, so a huge distance? Across the Atlantic. Yes, across the Atlantic. And can I. Can I transmit some information from one part to the other one without cables, only using electromagnetic waves? He was sure about this, the success, that he will succeed this experiment because he felt it inside the heart. All the academia, I am saying nothing about the academia, is not something against the academia. No, no, only to explain you the fact that is now history. All the academia was saying, no, Marconi is doing something wrong because it will never go, it will never be okay, this experiment will never work. Why? Because the transmitting antenna and the receiving antenna will never work. antenna were not in line of sight and so Maxwell said that the electromagnetic waves are only transmitting in line of sight it means that I have to watch physically the transmitting and the receiving and so why he is doing that because he wants to waste money because it will never work I can I can tell you that who was saying this because it's history it was maybe Poincaré professor Righi academia and so the journalist from the academia used to go to to Marconi and ask Marconi Marconi but the academia said that your experiment will never work don't worry don't worry follow me when the day when the day arrived for doing the experiment they used to have the how you say the Morse signal the Morse signal from the transmitting source was transferred immediately to ReSense to the receiving source it it go it worked why because there was the so-called third via the third solution so from one side the theory of Maxwell said that this experiment couldn't work because the earth is a sphere so the theory of Maxwell said that this experiment couldn't work uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh yeah it's like a laser pointer it would yeah it's like a laser pointer it would yeah it's like a laser pointer it would be off yeah be off yeah be off yeah on the other side on the other side on the other side marconi that he didn't study on the other side marconi that he didn't study on the other side marconi that he didn't study right that's not possible it's wrong right that's not possible it's wrong right that's not possible it's wrong so the academia that so the academia that so the academia that studied was saying that the the the studied was saying that the the the studied was saying that the the the experiment will never experiment will never experiment will never succeed and they were because they succeed and they were because they succeed and they were because they started yeah yeah yeah and he that he started yeah yeah yeah and he that he started yeah yeah yeah and he that he was a mess scientific mess yeah was a mess scientific mess yeah was a mess scientific mess yeah because nobody because nobody because nobody or the academia and marconi knew or the academia and marconi knew about the third via and what was the third via the presence of the ionosphere ionosphere conducted by ionosphere so the wavelength that was transmitting Marconi. Casually, it was interacting with the ionosphere, and so the electromagnetic wave, according to the Mach 30, only made like that and like that, directly to the receiving. And so it worked. That's amazing. And this gave the Nobel Prize to Guglielmo Marconi. That's an incredible story, because he was right, but he didn't even know why he was right until after he figured it out. It's amazing. And Marconi flunked out of school. None of his professors took him seriously. This is the world, so everyone has to be open-minded. Oh, of course. Well, electromagnetism in general, Michael Faraday was early 19th century. He was a poor bookbinder in South London who knew nothing, and he just kind of like had revelations about some of this stuff. Because of his heart inside. Absolutely. He had a feeling that. It was a part of him, clearly. And Tesla had all of these, speaking of scalar physics, he had all these ideas of where electromagnetism in its current form, even with his update of alternating current over direct current vis-a-vis Edison, even beyond that, he was talking about wireless instantaneous transmission and his experiments at Wardenclyffe that were sponsored by J.P. Morgan. I think if he were alive today, he would say, you know, his experiments barely scratched the surface of what he thought the potential for electromagnetism actually was. So the point is, just like Einstein is housed within, you can find Newton. Also Einstein. Yeah, yeah. At the time when he developed the special relativity, he was saying that time is relative, time is changing. It was an heretic thinking. Yes. But it was successful. So in this context, everyone of us has to think heretically. Absolutely. It means heresia, it means in Italian, in Latin, it means to be free. Free of mind, okay? Absolutely. Libero, libero come l'aria, the air. Heretic, the air, it's free. Well, the whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking moving science forward. And scientific paradigm shifts occur when there's a buildup of anomalies and then the kind of dam breaks. So, and each theory, let's say, I love the Marconi example because Newton was right, but he didn't know why he was right. Einstein was more right than Newton in his theory. There's going to be somebody who's more. More right than Einstein about his theories. And the idea that this is the end of history and the end of physics is the biggest fallacy of like, you know, that we know everything. And it occurs that every generation, every generation we say we know everything and then somebody figures something out and they're always the heretic. We know anything. That's right. Not everything. And if you can't find somebody who is not part of the conventional body of knowledge who you agree with, you're almost guaranteed to be on the wrong side. You're on the wrong side of history because that's the person who's going to bring forward. The trick is finding the right person who's, you know, and that's hard. But, you know, I couldn't agree with you more. It's funny, you know, two days ago I interviewed Marconi's grandson. Ah, very nice. And it's just really trippy, but he said that his grandfather was part of a secret cabinet from Mussolini to study extraterrestrials. And it was called RS-33. RS-33, the Italian government set up this group, a secret research 33 cabinet where Marconi was the president and Enrico Fermi was the vice president. And they made some searches and studies on this phenomenon. Because 1933, they say that in Varese, north of Italy, there were some apparitions of so-called UFOs. In Magenta, Italy? Or do you know where specifically? Yes, Varese, it's northeast Italy. Northeast, yes. But it's north of Milan, in Lombardy. Between Lombardy and Venetian land. And it was fascinating. He told me that personally, like, and he's a prince. I was like, this is amazing. So it's funny you brought him up. But, yeah, it's so. I will see that interview. Yeah, yeah, you'll see it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, but I'm just, you know, amazed by it. But, yeah, I agree. I think that, yeah, go for it. I'm not saying that these experiments that we did on Giza are esoteric experiments, heretic. No, they are orthodox. Yeah. But it is a different way to watch electromagnetics. Why? Why not? So it is inside the academic compound. 100%. The point I think you're making is, like, when you're a hammer, everything looks like. It's like a nail. And when you're an archaeologist and you see a structure, you just say, oh, it's a pyramid. There are pyramids in other parts of the world. That's just this structure. And then you come up with some lame, you know, justification for why it was built. You come up with some reasons that are kind of inadequate as to how they were built. But you're force-fitting your own priors onto the observation. And you have people like Christopher Dunn, who's done all this work on just engineering anomalies with the thing itself. And then you're contributing with this, you know, very clear scan of what's underneath the pyramid. And all of these things don't look like normal modern architecture. So the idea that it's just some ancient, you know, tomb is so obviously coming from our own false preconceptions based on modernity. It's not based on a, you know, unbiased reading of what's happening. Yes. Yes. I agree with you. So I would bet on, you know, I'd bet on, I hope your team really figures this out. And it's, it's exciting. It's a really exciting time in history. I think that the 2026, we have to do something. Yeah. Maybe in my personal opinion, humanity is ready to go there and to go and see what there is down, down, down there because there is something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you know, um, Luis Walter Alvarez, who was, uh, really important for the American atomic program. He's depicted in the movie Oppenheimer and he was very high up in the Manhattan project. You know, he x-rayed the pyramids in the fifties. Yeah. So it's been a subject of longstanding interest, like even from like an official American government perspective for, for a long time. And how did, how he x-rayed it? I don't know exactly. Yeah. But it's, it's online. You can look. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. It had to use. A huge amount of energy in order to penetrate all the mass of the pyramid. Yeah, I guess so. And I think, I don't know, did, uh, there, there was maybe a, like a muon, a muon detector. Yes, yes, yes. In fact, we have to speak also about the SCAM pyramid project because there is not only the, the CAFRE project, but there is also or much more time with respect to us, uh, the SCAM pyramid project, the SCAM pyramid project. The SCAM pyramid project is, uh, using muons, which are sub particles that, uh, are emitted from the universe. They, they, they go to the pyramid and they intercept some, um, how do you say, uh, detectors. So the muons impress the detectors and they carry the information about the voids existing between the top of the pyramids. Why they, they. They go through the pyramids like that. Yes. The SCAM pyramid project is a well-known, uh, research group. Uh, they're using, uh, another physics. We are using acoustics. They are using sub particles and maybe, let's see if we can reach them. So be in contact with them. Maybe we can, or work together or share our results now, because now we are. In, in competition, but if we are in competition, we are, we have to work together. Not in. No, the, the, the way you have to think about it is it's you guys against the world. It's not you against, you know, it's like, it's amazing for everybody if we can figure out anything here. So, and we're up against kind of establishment forces. So, you know, the, um, the, the, in the mu, the muon detectors that that's specifically for, um, mapping the chambers inside of the pyramid. Is that right? Yes. Uh, I tell you, yes. And I tell you why we should, uh, collaborate together. There is a difference between the, the methods that we use and they use, because we scan from the space, the, from the, from, so from the space, we, we can scan underneath. They use the. Space Particle. to scan what there is between the pyramid and where they locate physically the detectors. It means that for us it is not a request to go physically to locate the detectors. Our detector is the surface of the Earth. In my personal opinion, we work better with respect to them because we can detect things where never a human went underneath. Their technique is different because they have to go physically somewhere and so they will retrieve a tomography between the surface and where they locate the detectors. I am hypothesizing this and I will share this information here. If we perform a joint project, so a project together, maybe, and if we will be able one day to go inside the shaft and maybe intercepting an horizontal tunnel constituting the network of tunnels that there is underneath, the Scam Pyramid Project can locate their detectors inside the tunnel in order to retrieve what there is up to there. I don't know if I am explaining that. Yeah, you'll use them in conjunction. You'll put the Muon detector there. There, and so they can scan. It makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. We have to work together. We don't have to be separated, but work together. Yeah, very cool. I love that idea. 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